Why Russian weapons conquered the world. Conversation with a Polish opponent
It is not a secret that today there are a lot of people in the world who are initially anti-Russian. Without any reasons. Just because "everybody says so." A lot of real, and more often invented by someone facts, they bring in confirmation of their words. And even the obvious things are turned upside down easily.
Recently talked with one pan. Once a completely adequate person, an officer of the Polish army. Educated at one of the military schools of the USSR. But ... old age, I guess. Or the duration of our, Russian, "rising from its knees." The memory of the USSR and Russia disappears from the heads of western inhabitants. Replaced by what the local media say.
We didn’t talk about politics. Re-educate each other late. And why? I have "imperial thinking", he is "common European". But the past still connected. Life, life today and the past. From him not to leave.
Because somehow imperceptibly, the conversation turned to arms and our latest developments. Honestly, I have rarely heard so much "okolopravdy" about us. Moreover, this "near truth" was supported by quotations from Western, more often American, military experts, beautifully decorated comparative tables, and design diagrams. Even the fact that the authors of these "documents" honestly write "according to my (our) assumptions" does not bother. Well, they can not openly say - "according to data from intelligence officer X". Or (which is often more honest) - from social networks.
So, the conversation turned to the Soviet patrons. Those most unitary sample 1943 year. 7,62x39 mm. Honestly, I'm not a big specialist in patrons. More practice than theorist. And as a practitioner, I respect this cartridge.
"Patron - the power of the nation"! Not bad? And I, fool, thought that the strength of a nation was different. "Bullet strength is the physical equivalent of a weapon strength." "Your patron is the weakest of all ..." "1991 J is just your patron. And for an American, 2844 J". Well, and so on.
That's when the "expert", especially, by the way, who wore epaulets, begins to juggle with tsiferkami, taken by the devil knows where, you start to think willy-nilly. Well, it would be fine if Mr. Jarek spent his entire service in the Foreign Legion, or else where. But no, in the very army of the NDP, which ran its entire adult life with AK, and I saw M-14 only in action movies on the TV screen.
Well, God bless him, everyone makes fun of his own under old age. But what is allowed to an office vegetable, a major is somehow unforgivable.
As I recall, the armor penetration of our "small patron" (5,45x39 mm) is higher than the Mosin rifle. At a certain distance and mainly due to a more modern bullet. And already about the "normal" caliber generally keep quiet.
Where the patina of the mosquito calmly does its work, the “emochny” simply cries. Maybe because in the days of Mosin about joules really did not know?
To me, these joules and other "smart words" were somehow not particularly needed. But the fact that our AK, without straining, pierces a steel helmet at a distance of almost a kilometer - a fact. The vaunted bulletproof vests of 6B1 bullet with steel core "sews" meters on 600. Even armor steel (7 mm), however, if you shoot at a right angle, it hits with probability half a meter from 300 ...
From the time of lieutenant I remember the testing of snow parapets. More than half a meter is good so rammed snow - through. And this is from 500 meters. Even brick walls from a decent distance (100 meters) pierced. Unless, of course, the wall in the "half-brick" (12-15 centimeters).
Weak cartridge to them ... And not weak from Mosinka wall and brick breaker.
This conversation prompted me to think about Soviet weapons as such. Why is it popular? Why are long-obsolete samples and today are used in many armies of the world. Why are produced in many countries of the world?
I remember the first acquaintance with the American M-16А1. Handsomely. But disassembled, but we can not collect. Details, as in the children's designer. And try to clean it "in the field" ... There was not even a gas piston. So, heats up like a radiator of a heating battery. In short, rubbish. Let and beautiful. Not a weapon to fight. I understand the Americans in Vietnam, who took our AK.
Soviet weapons have always been constructed according to several basic principles. And these principles were dictated by war. Not the interests of manufacturers, not the capabilities of designers. A war! And this is not the merit of even the Soviet system. it historical given for Russia.
Russian weapons should be simple, reliable and massive. Production, if necessary, should be deployed as soon as possible on the existing industrial areas. This is one of the conditions of victory.
The most famous samples of the Great Patriotic. PPSH-41 and PPS. If we compare the German machines and ours? The technological beauty of the "Germans" and our somewhat rude looking. In some moments we were inferior. But in the main thing - the ability of the weapon to resist all the "military service" such as mud, frost, snow, rain and other things - was won. Not to mention the mass production. Yes, and the soldier who never saw such a weapon, in two or three days he managed with him, as with his family.
And the fact that these submachine guns were collected were mostly children's hands, an important aspect. Yes, of course, the German professionals of the machine and the press of the front did not see, it is a fact. And the fact that in our country we had to use the hands of children, is a regrettable fact.
Foreign guns and rifles better? Then why did German snipers gladly use a Tokarev rifle? And not so long ago in the Donbas “Svetochka”, which had lain in the salt caves of 70 for years, was the most valuable asset for the militia.
Is it because she, too, is not aware of modern developments and joules? And through the helmets of the Bronika, I was quite persuaded by the ukroboytsov to think about the frailty of being and the meaning of being in the Donbas?
By the way, the same can be said about the best tank World War II - T-34. Everyone knows that the tank is good. But few know about the fact that it is also simple to manufacture. Of the 102 thousand tanks that were released during the Great Patriotic War in the USSR, 70 thousand were T-34s. 70 thousand!
It will be interesting to the reader and my Polish interlocutor. The famous "Tigers" Germans released during the same period as much 485 pieces. And medium "Panther" - total 4800 pieces. It is difficult, very difficult to resist such a mass. And simplicity. Somehow I already mentioned the famous film "In War as in War ..." Remember the episode with the burden? "We will drive to the first padded tank. I will take it off and put it on." And the same "Tiger" repair "in the field" was impossible.
Here the source brightened. Here! Overwhelmed the Germans with corpses! They burned your tanks so that they had to be released by the thousands!
Yeah, but about your Polish silent? About Czech, French, Belgian? So keep quiet. And in general, in which Charter is it written that it was necessary to exhibit one Soviet tank for one German tank? Especially since our Germans used tanks with joy. And even tried to copy.
We talk a lot and write today about new types of weapons, about breakthroughs in this area. This is the right approach. Moreover, it seems to me, the Russian designers retained one important "Soviet" feature of weapons. Remember the Russian "Caliber", the limit of which was limited to hundreds of kilometers? Who took this weapon seriously? Here "Tomahawk" is yes. And suddenly ... thousands of kilometers of flight and a perfect hit on target. Nate in soup, as they say.
On the whole, Russian weapons today, just like the Soviet ones, have recently, perhaps, been inferior in some design developments. Even in some technical specifications. But intended for war. I remembered the recent case in Ukraine. When 4 thousands of AK machines "Europeanized." The beauty that killed the gun. It turned out that all that glitters is not gold.
There is no comfort in our tanks like in the western ones. In our cars, automatic boxes were registered recently. Our assault rifles and machine guns do not look as menacing as foreign ones. However, in battles in different parts of the world, our weapons showed exactly what these weapons are. An old RPG-7 successfully ignites everything and everyone. Even older AK kicks all the "descendants" as young. And the ancient DShK and today the storm is not only field fortifications, but armored vehicles.
A policy that today has become at the forefront of the relationship between people has clouded many of our former allies with brains. And "science", more precisely, "scientific imagery", finds an explanation for this. To perceive Russia as a "bearish corner" of the planet today is fashionable. Europeans, Americans, "all progressive humanity" and others forget: there are no bear angles. There are countries that do not live like the rest. Traditions that others. The way of life is different. But the fact that they are so, that they have been preserved in this world of unification and standardization deserves respect.
And such independence is always under threat. Always someone wants to make it like everywhere else. Only it will not work. Very troublesome. Including thanks to our weapon designers and our design school. So, my Polish interlocutor ... And we, if necessary, will make the cartridges. We will do what we need. Us, not you ...
Recently talked with one pan. Once a completely adequate person, an officer of the Polish army. Educated at one of the military schools of the USSR. But ... old age, I guess. Or the duration of our, Russian, "rising from its knees." The memory of the USSR and Russia disappears from the heads of western inhabitants. Replaced by what the local media say.
We didn’t talk about politics. Re-educate each other late. And why? I have "imperial thinking", he is "common European". But the past still connected. Life, life today and the past. From him not to leave.
Because somehow imperceptibly, the conversation turned to arms and our latest developments. Honestly, I have rarely heard so much "okolopravdy" about us. Moreover, this "near truth" was supported by quotations from Western, more often American, military experts, beautifully decorated comparative tables, and design diagrams. Even the fact that the authors of these "documents" honestly write "according to my (our) assumptions" does not bother. Well, they can not openly say - "according to data from intelligence officer X". Or (which is often more honest) - from social networks.
So, the conversation turned to the Soviet patrons. Those most unitary sample 1943 year. 7,62x39 mm. Honestly, I'm not a big specialist in patrons. More practice than theorist. And as a practitioner, I respect this cartridge.
"Patron - the power of the nation"! Not bad? And I, fool, thought that the strength of a nation was different. "Bullet strength is the physical equivalent of a weapon strength." "Your patron is the weakest of all ..." "1991 J is just your patron. And for an American, 2844 J". Well, and so on.
That's when the "expert", especially, by the way, who wore epaulets, begins to juggle with tsiferkami, taken by the devil knows where, you start to think willy-nilly. Well, it would be fine if Mr. Jarek spent his entire service in the Foreign Legion, or else where. But no, in the very army of the NDP, which ran its entire adult life with AK, and I saw M-14 only in action movies on the TV screen.
Well, God bless him, everyone makes fun of his own under old age. But what is allowed to an office vegetable, a major is somehow unforgivable.
As I recall, the armor penetration of our "small patron" (5,45x39 mm) is higher than the Mosin rifle. At a certain distance and mainly due to a more modern bullet. And already about the "normal" caliber generally keep quiet.
Where the patina of the mosquito calmly does its work, the “emochny” simply cries. Maybe because in the days of Mosin about joules really did not know?
To me, these joules and other "smart words" were somehow not particularly needed. But the fact that our AK, without straining, pierces a steel helmet at a distance of almost a kilometer - a fact. The vaunted bulletproof vests of 6B1 bullet with steel core "sews" meters on 600. Even armor steel (7 mm), however, if you shoot at a right angle, it hits with probability half a meter from 300 ...
From the time of lieutenant I remember the testing of snow parapets. More than half a meter is good so rammed snow - through. And this is from 500 meters. Even brick walls from a decent distance (100 meters) pierced. Unless, of course, the wall in the "half-brick" (12-15 centimeters).
Weak cartridge to them ... And not weak from Mosinka wall and brick breaker.
This conversation prompted me to think about Soviet weapons as such. Why is it popular? Why are long-obsolete samples and today are used in many armies of the world. Why are produced in many countries of the world?
I remember the first acquaintance with the American M-16А1. Handsomely. But disassembled, but we can not collect. Details, as in the children's designer. And try to clean it "in the field" ... There was not even a gas piston. So, heats up like a radiator of a heating battery. In short, rubbish. Let and beautiful. Not a weapon to fight. I understand the Americans in Vietnam, who took our AK.
Soviet weapons have always been constructed according to several basic principles. And these principles were dictated by war. Not the interests of manufacturers, not the capabilities of designers. A war! And this is not the merit of even the Soviet system. it historical given for Russia.
Russian weapons should be simple, reliable and massive. Production, if necessary, should be deployed as soon as possible on the existing industrial areas. This is one of the conditions of victory.
The most famous samples of the Great Patriotic. PPSH-41 and PPS. If we compare the German machines and ours? The technological beauty of the "Germans" and our somewhat rude looking. In some moments we were inferior. But in the main thing - the ability of the weapon to resist all the "military service" such as mud, frost, snow, rain and other things - was won. Not to mention the mass production. Yes, and the soldier who never saw such a weapon, in two or three days he managed with him, as with his family.
And the fact that these submachine guns were collected were mostly children's hands, an important aspect. Yes, of course, the German professionals of the machine and the press of the front did not see, it is a fact. And the fact that in our country we had to use the hands of children, is a regrettable fact.
Foreign guns and rifles better? Then why did German snipers gladly use a Tokarev rifle? And not so long ago in the Donbas “Svetochka”, which had lain in the salt caves of 70 for years, was the most valuable asset for the militia.
Is it because she, too, is not aware of modern developments and joules? And through the helmets of the Bronika, I was quite persuaded by the ukroboytsov to think about the frailty of being and the meaning of being in the Donbas?
By the way, the same can be said about the best tank World War II - T-34. Everyone knows that the tank is good. But few know about the fact that it is also simple to manufacture. Of the 102 thousand tanks that were released during the Great Patriotic War in the USSR, 70 thousand were T-34s. 70 thousand!
It will be interesting to the reader and my Polish interlocutor. The famous "Tigers" Germans released during the same period as much 485 pieces. And medium "Panther" - total 4800 pieces. It is difficult, very difficult to resist such a mass. And simplicity. Somehow I already mentioned the famous film "In War as in War ..." Remember the episode with the burden? "We will drive to the first padded tank. I will take it off and put it on." And the same "Tiger" repair "in the field" was impossible.
Here the source brightened. Here! Overwhelmed the Germans with corpses! They burned your tanks so that they had to be released by the thousands!
Yeah, but about your Polish silent? About Czech, French, Belgian? So keep quiet. And in general, in which Charter is it written that it was necessary to exhibit one Soviet tank for one German tank? Especially since our Germans used tanks with joy. And even tried to copy.
We talk a lot and write today about new types of weapons, about breakthroughs in this area. This is the right approach. Moreover, it seems to me, the Russian designers retained one important "Soviet" feature of weapons. Remember the Russian "Caliber", the limit of which was limited to hundreds of kilometers? Who took this weapon seriously? Here "Tomahawk" is yes. And suddenly ... thousands of kilometers of flight and a perfect hit on target. Nate in soup, as they say.
On the whole, Russian weapons today, just like the Soviet ones, have recently, perhaps, been inferior in some design developments. Even in some technical specifications. But intended for war. I remembered the recent case in Ukraine. When 4 thousands of AK machines "Europeanized." The beauty that killed the gun. It turned out that all that glitters is not gold.
There is no comfort in our tanks like in the western ones. In our cars, automatic boxes were registered recently. Our assault rifles and machine guns do not look as menacing as foreign ones. However, in battles in different parts of the world, our weapons showed exactly what these weapons are. An old RPG-7 successfully ignites everything and everyone. Even older AK kicks all the "descendants" as young. And the ancient DShK and today the storm is not only field fortifications, but armored vehicles.
A policy that today has become at the forefront of the relationship between people has clouded many of our former allies with brains. And "science", more precisely, "scientific imagery", finds an explanation for this. To perceive Russia as a "bearish corner" of the planet today is fashionable. Europeans, Americans, "all progressive humanity" and others forget: there are no bear angles. There are countries that do not live like the rest. Traditions that others. The way of life is different. But the fact that they are so, that they have been preserved in this world of unification and standardization deserves respect.
And such independence is always under threat. Always someone wants to make it like everywhere else. Only it will not work. Very troublesome. Including thanks to our weapon designers and our design school. So, my Polish interlocutor ... And we, if necessary, will make the cartridges. We will do what we need. Us, not you ...
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