The most ridiculous myths in the media regarding the prospects of the 5 generation that has got onto the wing

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I would like to say from the outset that quite often the hype in the media does not always correspond to the real state of affairs in such complex issues as export of tactical supplies aviation 5th generation from manufacturing countries to third countries. Contracts for the sale of these aircraft usually go directly through the government of the state in which the fighter manufacturing corporation is located.



Before concluding a contract, specialists from the Ministry of Defense are working very closely to assess the feasibility of such a sale, that is, whether such a contract will bring military-political and strategic benefits, or some unique indicators and design features of the onboard electronic equipment of unique aircraft will be at risk of leaking and further copying . In the second case, the manufacturer refuses the customer to enter into a contract. A similar situation arose with the attempt of Japan to conclude a contract for the purchase of the X-NUMX F-5A Raptor generation fighters: the Americans refused to supply even the light-modified Raptors with simplified software or the AN radar to the Japanese Self-Defense Air Force / APG-22 or AN / APG-79, borrowed from Super Hornet.

This refusal is quite predictable, because the US Air Force has in the Far East and in the Asia-Pacific Region, and indeed there are several airfields in Japan and RK, to which they can independently overtake even the Raptor regiment from Alaska in a matter of hours and control the situation in the region . And this is understandable, F-22A was not intended for export, the price of supplying such an advanced machine to another country could be very serious, which cannot be said of the simpler "incubator" F-35A / B. The characteristics of these machines are very mediocre, the speed does not reach the 2's sound, the range is quite normal, the maneuverability is slightly better than that of the F-4E (except for the angle of attack provided by the computerized EMF) and only the optical-electronic infrared target designation DAS and Reduced heat / radar signatures provide some advantages in the long-range opposition to 4 ++ generation fighters, not counting of course the Su-35C, which with the help of the Irbis with Lightning and 150 km is split.

F-35A / B are exported both to the UK, and to Australia, and to Turkey, not by chance, their parameters for the States are no longer of particular value. For their Air Force, they plan to stamp over one and a half thousand cars, and, believe me, with the best software. Turkish just like their F-35A will not receive. But the most maneuverable deck F-35C (large wing area, turn speed, etc.), Americans have reserved only for their fleet and do not put up for export.

But there are also a number of other controversial issues that are spread on the Internet spaces of the Russian and Western Internet, some examples of which we now consider.

Last week, information was again published on Russian informational Internet resources that at the end of 2016, the Celestial Empire would receive our 4 4 ++ fighter Su-35 XNUMX. In this regard, many experts expressed concerns that China will use the technology of this machine in the further development of its fifth-generation fighter.

With this point of view, I kind of agree. Signed in 2015 year, through the "Rosoboronexport", a contract to supply China 24 super-maneuverable multi-role Su-35S also provides for the transfer of a standard set of avionics, which will include, and the most powerful in the world of on-board radar for N035 "Irbis-E" tactical fighters, and complex communication and tactical information exchange C-108, and ground-based air communication complex NKVS-27. The on-board data exchange system C-108 can be completely attributed to the equipment of the transitional generation: it allows the Su-35С to work smoothly both in pairs and in links, squadrons and regiments, coordinating information with the ground and air points of the RTR and the air defense through the channels encrypted by various methods communication (from pseudo-random tuning of the operating frequency to the Reed-Solomon code). The modern level of development of Chinese electronics allows producing similar C-108 complexes, and therefore sending it to China does not cause any particular concerns. On the T-50 PAK FA, which is unlikely to be exported, they will install a more sophisticated tactical connection complex C-111-H with qualitatively more advanced methods of encoding the transmitted information. In addition, the C-108 uses a simpler “Feed” type antenna-feeder system, and the C-111-H for the PAK FA has the more complex Aist-50 system. So, based on the C-108 communications complex of the Chengdu and Shenyang corporations, Russian secret technologies for the 5 generation cannot be copied.

Another thing is onboard radar Н035 "Irbis-E". Although modern Chinese fighters J-10B and J-15S are equipped with promising radars with AFAR, the element base of the PFARovsky Irbis continues to be of great interest to the Chinese, since its energy capabilities are even better on 20% than on the American AN / APG-77 radar . In addition, PFAR-RLS have their advantages, one of which is the mechanical adjustment of the antenna array for viewing the side and the rear hemisphere around the fighter. For radar with AFAR for such a review it is necessary to install additional smaller side-looking radars, which, at least a little, will make the car heavier.

In spite of everything, we should take the easy copying of the Irbis-E technology more calmly, and most of the experts' fears are contrived. China today is with us "in the same harness" in terms of confronting the global military-strategic domination of the United States and its allies. Both Russia and the PRC, for several years now, both in the dense ring of American naval / air bases and missile defense sites in the APR and the Atlantic, and our common task with the Chinese is to prevent this ring from becoming even smaller, or quickly break it if necessary. Therefore, I believe that the Irbis-E technology, which makes it possible to “talk” on equal terms with American aircraft of the 5 generation, may well be handed over to the PRC for our common security, because we did not transfer to China the secret technologies for the manufacture of nitride-gallium PPM Radar Н036 "Belka", which are installed on the T-50. All technology transfer is carried out in a strict framework consistent with external threats and own interests.

Many news agencies claim that F-22 is not widely used because of its high cost. As you know, another Fifth grader F-35 is much more widely used. But accurate and intelligible information about the difference between the two machines do not seek to express.

Despite the fact that both promising fighters belong to the 5 generation, their functionality, technical characteristics and purpose, as well as the cost, are completely different. The F-35A can be considered a standard, inconspicuous front-line fighter-bomber for every day, which will carry out various attack missions in theater of operations XXI, as well as conduct long-range air combat with the overwhelming majority of enemy fighters of the 4 + / ++ generation. This fighter was not designed for super-maneuverable air combat, and even F-16C and F-15E Strike Eagle were inferior in exercises. Low maximum speed will not allow high-speed interception of targets in pursuit, and the less powerful AN / APG-81 radar (fighter target range is about 165 km) does not give any advantages even to a machine such as Su-30CM. F-35A also has X-NUMX-3 radar visibility more than Raptor’s, which leaves even the 5-generation fighter with a radar, for example, Su-4MKK, an opportunity to win.

F-35A / B “fifth graders”, bought up by Asia and Europe as “hot cakes”, will soon be thrown into various smoldering military conflicts in Front and Southeast Asia, where they will become very formidable air combat units against the outdated Iranian air fleet and North Korea. For several years now, Israel has been developing tactics for using the F-35I acquired today against Iranian MiG-29А and F-14A fighters, as well as to overcome Iran’s air defense. But if Israeli Lightning has no problems with outdated Iranian tactical aviation, actively updating air defense systems based on C-300PMU-2 and Bavar-373 will put the F-35I pilots in a terrible position and their prospects for a lightning strike on nuclear facilities. Iranian power engineers will disappear. This will be even clearer after the delivery of new generation 4 ++ fighter jets to the Iranian Air Force, which can be the Russian MiG-35, Su-30CM or Chinese J-11A / B.

In the Far East theater, the 42 Japanese and 40 South Korean F-35A will have much greater prospects, in particular, against the DPRK armed forces. North Korea, despite the large number of different classes of low-level ballistic missiles (OTBR) and medium-range missiles in the armament of the ground forces, have a primitive air defense that is unable to cope with a massive rocket-air strike even a pair of South Korean F-15K squadrons (F-15E option for the RAF ). But there is a small nuance: if there is a serious aggravation of the confrontation over the island archipelagoes Diaoyuda and Spratly, with the active fate of the American fleet, Beijing can transfer to Pyongyang more or less advanced anti-aircraft missile systems and fighters, and then the anti-Chinese / anti-Korean coalition, even with uchitel 80 F-35A, will mature a good problem.

As for another "fifth-grader" - F-22A "Raptor", here the situation is many times more interesting and serious. The cost of one F-22A today varies between 150 - 200 million dollars, which is approximately 2 times more expensive than the F-35A. If the JSF program, which got its start thanks to the "cooperation" of Lockheed Martin, with the OKB Design Bureau. Yakovlev, was intended to "capture" the global arms market, cost more than 1300 billion dollars, the YF-22 project was originally intended solely for long-term renewal of the US Air Force by a fighter capable of maintaining air supremacy for at least 20-25 years. That he became.

Over the 15 years of testing (up to 2005 of the year) and 11 years of service (until today) in the US Air Force, Raptor met all expectations of flight crews and developers regarding the most maneuverable, speedy and unobtrusive serial 5 fighter of the generation. In terms of combat qualities, the F-22A is several times superior to the grief- "Lightning". If we take as an example the use of "Raptors" in the Syrian theater, then you can only see the reconnaissance and deterrent functions of these machines. They fly, most likely, with Luneberg lenses installed to hide the true effective scattering surface from observation radars 91H6E of the Russian C-400 SAMs and Su-30CM fighters deployed at Hmeimim airbase. Only 10-15% potential of F-22A is used here. When an escalation of a serious conflict occurs, where Raptors will have to prove themselves in all 100%, this will be a completely different picture.

To conduct long-range air combat with these fighters will be an order of magnitude more difficult than with the F-35A. EPR in 0,05 - 0,07 м2 will not allow detecting it at a distance of more than 120 - 150 km of any of the known radars installed on enemy aircraft. In most episodes of air battles with the F-22A, we will see a picture when pilots of opposing fighters can understand that they were attacked by a stealth fighter only after an alarm signal was triggered by an irradiation warning station warning of the seizure of an AIM-120D rocket homing head. And only such masterpieces as the Su-35С can detect it thanks to more advanced onboard means of electronic and electronic intelligence.


Snow-covered F-22A at ​​the Elmendorf-Richardson airbase (Alaska). All Raptors, based on this airbase, belong to the 11 Air Force Air Force of the USA and the NORAD air defense fighter aircraft. For flight to Japanese airfields for solving combat missions in the Far East, the F-22A will require no more than 5 hours of flight over the Pacific Ocean with one air refueling


At the moment, there have not been such critical situations where F-22A might be needed, but in the future they will certainly arise. The use of “Raptors” will mainly be used as aviation to achieve air superiority in areas with thick and powerful enemy air defenses, i.e. destruction of enemy aircraft over its own territories, and only the strongest - Russia, China and Iran - can prevent this domination. They will be included in the spectrum of their tasks and pinpoint the suppression of the enemy’s ground infrastructure, including air defense systems, with the help of a compact BTO rocket-bomb, which is based on the GBU-39 SDB (Small Diameter Bomb) guided bomb. In the weapons bays, the F-22A can deliver 8-like bombs to the ground target.

The greatest threat F-22A, equipped with SDB, will be for the air defense missile systems. Possessing a small radar and moderate infrared visibility, they will be able to quietly approach self-propelled air defense systems with weaker radar detection and targeting all over 25 - 30 km, and then reset several GBU-39. It is also not entirely easy to intercept these bombs, since their ESR does not exceed 0,015 m 2. Such complexes as Osa-AKM or Strela-10 will not be able to intercept these bombs, and only Top-M1 / 2, Armor-C1 or, in extreme cases, Tungusska-M1 will be able to shoot down such objects.

In wartime, Raptors can operate both at supersonic cruising speeds up to 1900 km / h and afterburning speeds up to 2450 km / h, which gives important advantages over most other Western fighters. And, of course, the important role is played by the super-maneuverable qualities of the F-22A, realized by the excellent bearing characteristics of the wing and the vertical OBT, putting it almost on the same level with the Su-30CM and Su-35С in the BVB.

Russian perspective aviation complex T-50, in the opinion of many Russian and western specialists, surpasses American competitors F-35A and F-22A in a number of technical parameters. But US projects were implemented much earlier. T-50 are going to put into service only next year. In view of this, numerous bloggers and specialists in the field of military aviation are wondering whether our T-50 PAK FA will lose its solid niche in the Asian arms market, and also reflect on possible markets for this unique machine in the third decade of the 21st century. .

Speaking about the sales markets for the domestic promising T-50 PAK FA aviation complex of the front aviation, it is worth remembering that the purpose of this fighter coincides exactly with the purpose of the American F-22A "Raptor". T-50 in the most advanced versions will only be in service with the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, and most likely will not receive numerous export modifications, as is observed with the F-35A, F-15C / E or Su-30. The only mass-produced version of the T-50 for a foreign customer will be a simplified version, designed in conjunction with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, FGFA. Single and double cars of the program will enter service with the Indian Air Force by about 2025 year. There is a small share of the likelihood that in the future such an FGFA version can be supplied for the Iranian Air Force, but today it is minimal.

A number of experts expressed the view that there might be demand for T-50 in Turkey (NATO member) and Saudi Arabia (longtime US ally), which means they are considering the possibility of close military-technical cooperation between Russia and these countries.

To put it mildly, this information does not look just crazy, but I apologize for the expression, marasmic. And in order to assess the extent of thoughtlessness of such data, it is necessary to imagine the conclusion of a contract between the Ministry of Defense of Belarus (member of the CSTO and the Union State) and Lockheed Martin for the purchase of a batch of 24 F-22A or F-35A.

As for the grounds for such bold predictions, they do not exist at all. Even taking into account such facts as the normalization of political and economic relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey, or military-technical cooperation between Russia and Saudi Arabia, which at one time bought us BMP-3, and can sign a contract for the purchase of Zelenodolsk patrol ships of the ocean zone Ave 22160, none of the likely few modifications of the T-50 PAK FA can be adopted by the main American ally in Front Asia. As for the mention in the report of OAO Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky "possible sale to the Saudis of distant patrol ships (PC) of 22160 Ave." Vasily Bykov ", this is also" forks on the water written. "

But even if such a contract gets real progress, then we at Rosoboronexport also have not stupid people on the ground: the Saudi Arabian Navy will receive an export modification of a patrol ship with a completely different radar for the naval air defense system “Shtil-1” . Recently, on the Russian Internet one could see several versions of the 22160 pr designs, some of which are intended for the Russian Navy, others for marketing on the external armament market. Our fleet will receive a promising multifunctional 4-sided MRLS for managing the “Shtil-1” complex based on 4's AFAR integrated into the antenna post on the ship's main superstructure, while the “Arabian” version will receive the simplest one-channel version of the “Shtil-1” KZRK with one radar illumination and guidance 3Р90 "Nut" on the front of the roof of the superstructure.


The top graphic image shows a subtle patrol ship of the 22160 project in the version for the Russian Navy: a promising antenna post of the MRLS for the Shtil-1 complex with the X-shaped arrangement of the AFAR can be seen. On the bottom image is the export version of the 22160 pr. With one 3Р90 “Nut” radar illuminator for the “Shtil-1” KZRK (on the roof of the control room)



As for the sale of promising T-50 fighters to the Turkish Air Force, this situation is also canceled, and even if the latter leaves the North Atlantic Alliance. From the long experience of Russian-Turkish relations, we can distinguish many periods of military confrontation, cooling cooperation, as well as “aggressive play” on the side of the States, when in 1961-year, Izmir launched the launch positions of PGM-19 “Jupiter” medium-range missiles. And all this happened in the period of active financial assistance and the provision of billions in loans from the Soviet Union. Relations have now returned to normal, but, as before, Turkey continues to sponsor the Mejlis units of the Crimean Tatar militants and other extremists who are preparing a “bridgehead” for aggressive actions by the Ukrainian army. And we are still talking about NATO AWACS airplanes of the AWACS E-3C / G system (based on Turkish air bases), who regularly monitor the airspace over the Crimea and the Kuban. What kind of supplies of the 5 generation fighter for this country's Air Force?

Even if you remove the military and political issues, and rely purely on the technical information of the Western and Turkish media, we can say that they are now focusing on purchasing the F-35A, as well as promoting their own project of the XFUM-5 TFX-100 lightweight multi-purpose fighter , to the design of which they have already managed to attract the British company BAE Systems. The T-200 PAK FA will remain the foremost 50 generation fighter, designed mainly for the Russian Aerospace Forces with a small and tightly controlled sales market in Asia, mainly covering India.

Information sources:
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/F-22.html
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/f-35-lightning-ii/
http://www.paralay.com/pakfa/pakfa.html
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  1. +10
    26 September 2016 07: 52
    Good analytical article ...
    The topic of the fact that the F-22 ... is already in service and their composition is growing in parallel with the modification based on the results of operation ... and we with the T 50 are just going out to deliveries to the troops (with all the consequences ... the supply of equipment for organizing the operation on-site ... identification of "childhood diseases" (operation in the army differs from state testing ... service debugging ... It will take time.
    One thing pleases ... our industry did not begin to copy the achievements "for now" ... T 50 was made with a certain reserve for "tomorrow" ...
    1. 0
      26 September 2016 12: 41
      It's great that we are completing the T50, while for its real applicability it is necessary its mass production and trained pilots in a proportionate amount.
      Well, + the whole bundle of security.
      I hope so.
      1. +3
        2 October 2016 19: 09
        A smaller bazaar, more to do. And it’s not necessary to yell at the whole district. Hush you’ll go further.
        1. 0
          6 July 2017 19: 59
          Quote: vinni-puk
          A smaller bazaar, more to do. And it’s not necessary to yell at the whole district. Hush you’ll go further.

          An individual with the psychology of a shopkeeper will have his own fat one way or another: (c) the T-50 in the most advanced versions will only be in service with the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, and most likely will not receive numerous export modifications (c) "Most likely," " in the most advanced modifications "- the preparation of the layman. And who will analyze these "modifications" and "most likely" ...?
    2. +2
      26 September 2016 14: 19
      Quote: silberwolf88
      The theme of the fact that the F-22 ... is already in service and their composition is being expanded in parallel with the modification based on the operating results ...

      However, no matter how, in your country house they opened the F-22 production line and are building up, building up production. ......
    3. +1
      26 September 2016 23: 55
      But is the F-22 produced? Like production stopped in favor of the F-0 !!! ,,?
  2. +4
    26 September 2016 08: 37
    In addition, PFAR-radars have their own advantages, one of which is a mechanical twist of the antenna array for viewing the side and rear hemisphere around the fighter. In a radar with AFAR for such a review, it is necessary to install additional smaller side-scan radars, which at least a little, but makes the weight of the car heavier.
    ==========
    Now, kill God, I don’t understand why it is possible to mechanically turn this passive HEADLIGHT, but not the active one? Maybe dear Evgeny Damantsev, or which of the specialists will explain this to me? I would be very grateful!
  3. +5
    26 September 2016 08: 41
    It seemed to me alone that the title of the article did not fit in with its content?
    1. +9
      26 September 2016 12: 56
      The author smoothly switched (dived) from airplanes to ships. smile

      And he didn’t want to sell the T-50 to Erdogan ... That's right.
      Such a free flight of thought.
  4. +2
    26 September 2016 08: 58
    I agree with silberwolf88, the article is good.
    I hope that due to the later launch of the T-50 series, childhood diseases are worked out as much as possible. Yes, the operation in the troops differs from the factory conditions, but this is not the same aircraft to hope that it will be as unpretentious as the X-NUMX.
    1. 0
      2 October 2016 15: 58
      In due time and with PO2 there was a lot of trouble
  5. +6
    26 September 2016 09: 08
    To fly to Japanese airfields to solve combat missions in the Far East, the F-22A will require no more than 5 hours of flight over the waters of the Pacific Ocean with one refueling in the air
    And what will happen if at the rendezvous point, SUDDENLY, there is no "refueller", well, he did not get there, he could not with someone else's rocket in his belly ...
  6. +16
    26 September 2016 10: 33
    1) The F-22 and F-35 radar are produced by the same company: Northrop Grumman
    And on the F-35 installed a more modern and powerful version of the same
    radar, as on F-22.
    AFAR is so powerful that its pulsed directional inclusion at full power
    equivalent to hitting a beam weapon on an enemy aircraft.

    2) The Norwegians tested their F-35s in close combat and it turned out that they weren’t
    inferior to the F-16 in maneuverability. F-35 gives a steady turning speed of 28 degrees / second on
    bend at a speed of 0,9 MAX, which is a very good indicator for any fighter.

    3) F-35 is delivered to everyone with standard software, except for Israel, where else at the stage
    production insert code for Israeli avionics systems and weapons.
    1. +13
      26 September 2016 12: 30
      AFAR is so powerful that its pulsed directional inclusion at full power
      equivalent to hitting a beam weapon on an enemy aircraft.

      Don’t get so excited and you will be treated! I, as soon as the models of Fu-35 appear on sale, I will buy it for you and transfer it to the ward, so that I will not be violent ...
      1. +8
        26 September 2016 13: 03
        "As soon as the Fu-35 models appear on sale, I will buy it for you" ///

        I will wait! drinks But better send the model (assembled) Su-35 good .
        For collectors, he looks the most spectacular fighter of all.
    2. 0
      26 September 2016 15: 37
      If you compare with the latest versions of the F-16, with additional tanks and equipment, then traction and maneuverability should be comparable.
    3. +4
      26 September 2016 15: 50
      2) The Norwegians tested their F-35s in close combat and it turned out that they weren’t
      inferior to the F-16 in maneuverability. F-35 gives a steady turning speed of 28 degrees / second on
      bend at a speed of 0,9 MAX, which is a very good indicator for any fighter.

      You’ve always been adequate in warrior hi I figured here that with your data, an overload of about 14,7 g should act on the fighter.
      And about beam weapons too.
      1. +5
        26 September 2016 16: 56
        I confess I chose an unfortunate term with "beam weapons".
        But the meaning of what I read is this: the F-35 radar is capable of giving a powerful directional
        the momentum used as a weapon against the electronics of the enemy’s aircraft.

        About 28 deg / second - there was a translation from the English forum, where American
        test pilot F-35 (who before that was a pilot F-16)
        claimed that the F-35 squeezed out at steeper turns than the F-16.
        And these figures were given. What makes him highly combat-ready in close combat.
        1. +2
          26 September 2016 18: 03
          Well, in the data you provided, at a speed of about 300 m \ s and a pivot speed of 28 degrees, you get a circle with a radius of 613 m and, accordingly, an overload of centrifugal acceleration of 14,7 G + - 1 G, depending on the spatial position of the loop. If I'm wrong correct. So the plane can withstand 15 G what
          1. +2
            26 September 2016 20: 39
            Both for the pilot and for the 15 G airplane,
            the pilot even exorbitant.
            In principle, the F-15 has a short trapezoid wing and
            the glider is compact, and the plane is small - must withstand? But I can not say.
            1. 0
              26 September 2016 20: 42
              Mistake, not F-15, but F-35 sad
              1. +4
                26 September 2016 20: 54
                9 G are extreme for the pilot, especially if they are directed from head to foot, therefore, all modern ultra-maneuverable fighters have an operational overload of 9 G, short-term may be longer
                1. +1
                  28 September 2016 01: 21
                  Quote: KKND
                  9 G limit for the pilot

                  this is for an ordinary pilot, and the chosen one is 15 at a time
    4. +2
      29 September 2016 15: 30
      Quote: voyaka uh
      AFAR is so powerful that its pulsed directional inclusion at full power
      equivalent to hitting a beam weapon on an enemy aircraft.

      oopsss
      1) Radar with AFAR AN / APG-81 on F-35
      Radar with AFAR AN / APG-77 on F-22
      81 is just a baby (in terms of power) compared to 77.
      Roughly speaking, this is a "stub" of the 77th (1200 PPM against 1980) and much cheaper


      77
      Maximum average power: 18.5 kW;
      Impulse power: 0.5 MW;
      81
      Maximum average power: 11.2 kW;
      Impulse power: 0.4 MW;
      (These figures are booklet and many quantities have reservations to achieve the indicated value)

      The initial type for avionics F-35 is a set of equipment F-22. The fundamental difference is that F-35 implements the integration of not only individual elements within systems of close functional purpose, but also within systems that are close by the radio frequency principle of operation.

      The basis of avionics is a set of integrated radio frequency systems MIRFS.
      The complex of basic systems is basically similar to Ф-22. Below are just some points:
      The APG-81 radar has a lower power and detection range. According to the concept of application, the F-35 should largely rely on data from AWACS, Global Hawk, J-STARS. (in light of this, one may wonder how potential buyers, who do not have access to such "benefits", see the full-fledged use of this aircraft)

      2) 11,2 kW (or 0,4 MW) can ONLY be performed on the runway hair removal of staff on the runway.

      The density of the radio wave flux at the range of interest to us will be equal to the power of the source divided by the area of ​​the sphere with a radius equal to the specified range. Or in other words, proportional to power divided by squared range.
      At 30 km from the emitter EVEN 0,4 MW Turn ....TURNING TO 4,44 WATTwhich is comparable to the tower radiation of a GSM network

      GSM 900, then, as a rule, transmitters of wearable mobile phones have a maximum power of 2 watts, and installed on cars - about 8 watts. Meanwhile, the standard defines four power classes from 800 mW to 8 watts.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      AFAR is so powerful that its pulsed directional inclusion at full power
      equivalent to hitting a beam weapon on an enemy aircraft.


      Oh well
  7. +1
    26 September 2016 12: 27
    When I look at our T-50, in my head there is only one word, HUMAN! Just handsome good
  8. 0
    26 September 2016 12: 29
    Quote: voyaka uh
    1) The F-22 and F-35 radar are produced by the same company: Northrop Grumman
    And on the F-35 installed a more modern and powerful version of the same
    radar, as on F-22.
    AFAR is so powerful that its pulsed directional inclusion at full power
    equivalent to hitting a beam weapon on an enemy aircraft.

    2) The Norwegians tested their F-35s in close combat and it turned out that they weren’t
    inferior to the F-16 in maneuverability. F-35 gives a steady turning speed of 28 degrees / second on
    bend at a speed of 0,9 MAX, which is a very good indicator for any fighter.

    3) F-35 is delivered to everyone with standard software, except for Israel, where else at the stage
    production insert code for Israeli avionics systems and weapons.

    Warrior, well, don’t ... don’t :) :) The Norwegians checked something there and everything is wonderful type) and we close our eyes to the rest of the criticism
  9. +5
    26 September 2016 13: 27
    When Damantsev will no longer fantasize and invent EPR and radar radii what
    Maybe the author should not come up with myths and if he is sure to indicate that such a radar detects such targets with such an EPR and with such probability. Plus, a lot depends on the speed of the target, because the radars work on the Doppler effect and on other factors. It would also not hurt the site administration to think about whether it would need such frankly illiterate articles. Especially in this section.
  10. +1
    26 September 2016 13: 35
    Evgeny, Raptors are not needed to combat mobile air defense missile systems - any aircraft flying at low altitude is absolutely invisible to their radar station up to the point where anti-radar ammunition is used, since nobody has canceled the radio horizon yet.
  11. +2
    26 September 2016 13: 51
    Quote: Operator
    absolutely invisible to their radar up to the turn of the use of anti-radar ammunition, since no one has canceled the radio horizon

    Operator, do not enlighten how the aircraft will use anti-radar ammunition due to the radio horizon?
    If anything, I'm without jokes, maybe I don’t know what. feel
    1. 0
      26 September 2016 14: 08
      First, the aircraft will see the radar radiation of a mobile air defense system outside the range of the anti-aircraft complex, determine the coordinates of the air defense system, decrease to an extremely low altitude, reach the line of use of anti-radar missiles or planning bombs and apply them according to the coordinates of the air defense system, without rising above the radio horizon.

      It is in this (spatial maneuver) that the advantage of aircraft over ground / surface weapons models, maneuvering only on the plane, lies.

      Please note that almost all modern models of planning bombs have versions with powder boosters for the purpose of climbing for planning after being dropped from the carrier aircraft at extremely low altitude.
      1. +1
        26 September 2016 14: 55
        Operator, are you fantasizing? If the plane sees the radiation of an air defense system, then it can go at low altitude only by inertial accuracy, there will be no accuracy, and if it is a mobile air defense system, it can generally leave.
        1. 0
          26 September 2016 16: 09
          Accuracy is achieved by pointing the PRB itself to a radio source after dumping / launching from a carrier aircraft, and not by an "inertial" aircraft.

          How far will a mobile air defense system go in 5 minutes of flight time of a carrier aircraft?

          Like - and in FIG air defense missile systems to provide a combat mission to cover the ground forces, I’ll leave a couple of kilometers and turn off the radar, let the motorized infantry / tankers shoot themselves from the aircraft laughing
          1. +2
            26 September 2016 18: 11
            Operator. You do not seem to understand me. And the topic of mobility, I generally picked up in vain.
            Take stationary. Imagine, by your logic, that the plane has detected the cure for the radar. And here he, instead of launching a rocket in order not to fall under fire, goes to a low altitude (below the radio horizon) so that he flies closer to the Radar. Now the main question is how will he launch a rocket from the radio horizon mode? The coordinates of the Radar have not changed, but while the plane flew to the radar, it is possible to measure the coordinates of the aircraft only by satellites and inertial signals, and this is a minus to accuracy. Is it clear now?
            1. 0
              26 September 2016 19: 40
              A minus to accuracy during an 5-minute flight of a carrier aircraft on an inertial navigation system is equivalent to 300-500 meters of deviation of the actual PRB reset / launch point from the calculated one.

              This deviation is taken into account when determining the boundary for the discharge / launch of the PRB, so that the ammunition has enough fuel / planning height to the target.

              The guidance of the PRB after separation from the carrier aircraft is carried out by the radar of the SAM system and does not depend on the inertial navigation system of the carrier aircraft.
              1. +1
                26 September 2016 20: 04
                Again. You have detected the coordinates of the radar, but because you know your coordinates with an error, and there is no radio emission, you have to let it guess. Do you understand this? And yes, how do you know the data on the deviation on the inertia?
                I have not seen any data on the internet, apparently this is classified information.
                But low accuracy is evidenced by the fact that when a missile is emitted by radiation and the attacked radar is turned off during a missile’s flight, switching to inertia significantly reduces accuracy.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2016 21: 49
                  How is there no radio emission? At least until the moment the PRB rises above the radio horizon, the air defense system of the air defense system operates at full power. The radar switches off only when the PRB approaches the distance of its radar detection - on the order of 10 km or 30 seconds of flight time.

                  With the transition of the PRB to an inertial guidance system, the CVO will be several tens of meters. However, the new PRB models are additionally equipped with a thermal imaging seeker that provides a CVO at the level of several meters.

                  The accuracy of the inertial guidance system is directly proportional to the time of its operation. The specific accuracy value can be estimated from the CV of the “Point” rocket (in proportion to the ratio of the flight time of the “Point” and the aircraft).
                  1. +1
                    27 September 2016 00: 05
                    There is no radio emission because the plane flies below the radio horizon, there are no exact coordinates because it first took direction and then flew by inertia.
                    All forces to argue no more. You can consider that you won. I am exhausted. recourse
  12. 0
    26 September 2016 15: 00
    Thanks to the author.
    Not so often, such sensible analytical reviews appear.
  13. +1
    26 September 2016 15: 41
    Due to the lack of our programs of the fifth generation light fighter, it is likely that the MiG-5 and Su-35 will adapt the systems used on the T-35 with our next upgrades. Radars, brains, sensors, communications and weapons. Let them not be stealth, but very formidable cars will turn out.
  14. 0
    26 September 2016 18: 21
    Does anyone know why the Print version button has disappeared? I try to keep interesting materials, but it was so convenient ...
  15. +2
    26 September 2016 19: 35
    Diarrhea of ​​thought and not an article. By style of writing at the level of Majumdar, and maybe even higher.
  16. 0
    27 September 2016 14: 38
    Whatever they say about the F35, this is an obvious dough. About F22, too, as if behind a big advertisement, ordinary characteristics were not hidden. Poker is America's national card game. So it’s not the first time to deceive them.
  17. 0
    3 December 2016 15: 44
    A number of experts expressed the view that there might be demand for T-50 in Turkey (NATO member) and Saudi Arabia (longtime US ally), which means they are considering the possibility of close military-technical cooperation between Russia and these countries.
    EUROPE GIVEN TO SCYTHIANS? not a word about the center of civilization !!!
    Shame on Merkel and Hollande and Bleyer !!!
  18. 0
    12 December 2016 23: 08
    The Americans did not sell the F-22 while it was the ace of trump. Now the S-400 is on alert, the 5th generation of fighters is on the way for us and the Chinese. The train left ! Nobody will buy "22" at a price of 140 million without taking into account the ground infrastructure. But take it until you disassembled -F 35!
    ps On this site and not only became a lot of fans of China.
    I would not want to escalate, but in big politics there are NO brothers, friends and eternal enemies.