Where is the general to find lieutenants?

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The theme of reflection today is special. Particular because it concerns or once touched some readers directly. Namely, the famous reforms of the former Minister of Defense of Russia Serdyukov in the field of manning the army. Those reforms that led to the closure of many military universities. Set in the remaining turned into fiction. The boys, who from childhood wanted to become officers of the Russian army, were forced to abandon their dreams.





Reform has become a more tragic phenomenon for many already active army officers and fleet. People who often went through the crucible of war or participation in military conflicts were simply expelled from the army. Hopes for the future were crumbling. Families collapsed. For many, the world collapsed. At the age of 30-40, a person found himself with no prospects in life. Captains, majors, colonels turned into civilian "newcomers".

Talk about the fact that the knowledge and experience of such people are simply necessary for the state quickly turned into a fairy tale. After the first interview with the employer. Second, third ... Yes, we need you ... Such people are just a treasure for us ... We will call you ... Indeed, why a young, promising-minded businessman, forty years old, able not only to think but to command, a subordinate? Yes, God forbid, who knows how to express their point of view? Familiar?

A security structures at all is clearly not enough.

The rapid reduction of military units deprived the prospects of service and young lieutenants. Remember how many of the graduates of military schools immediately after graduating from college went to the "citizen". Just did not enter into a contract. Moreover, how many of those who signed the contract, left the "captains". The captain is probably the most popular rank among retired officers today.

Those who were lucky to serve in the European part of Russia, in large cities, somehow managed to adapt. The development of business and the rapid growth of new firms gave at least some hope for work. And those who served in Siberia and the Far East? And what kept them?

Apartment in a military town away from normal life? An opportunity to work and get a good salary? Perfect weather conditions? Perspectives for children? Alas, but the majority had nothing to do with it. And the officers left the region in the thousands. They did not leave because they were afraid. They left because they didn’t need the state overnight.

Many officer posts have been reduced. Positions for civilian employees were put in their place. I perfectly understand moms and dads who are happy to see civilian cooks in the soldiers' canteen. Civilians should be more mastery than the "soldiers". However, in the case of redeployment of a unit or unit, who will feed the soldiers? A civilian is "attached" to the house, to the locality. Yes, and did not give the oath. Normal work, nothing more.

Thanks to Serdyukov, the Russian army lost more than 200 000 officers. 200 thousands of people who have lost the core, which was the meaning of their lives. Moreover, the majority of the dismissed were thrown out into the street before the service years to receive a pension.

We will not talk about those officers who actually stayed until retirement. Although these were very, very much. Staff, military registration and other. We are talking about those who held lower positions and had not so many stars on their epaulets.

The number of captains (and this link is just the most necessary in the army - commanders of companies, batteries) was reduced almost twice (1,8, more precisely). The commanders of the units "knocked out" more thoroughly. Colonels cut in 5 times. Lieutenant Colonels in 4 fold.

I specifically cited data on this link of the army and navy. Any military man understands: this is the core of any army. Those who are directly involved in hostilities or develop combat operations. Those who have already become an officer really, and not by rank.

But with the colonels somewhat easier. Not only parts were reduced, but also controls. Because the colonels and suffered.

But in the initial stage, the idea was quite good. Remember how many senior officers served in universities, in military enlistment offices, at factories and in other institutions. How many officers were "because they pay for the position and rank". It was proposed to reduce these positions. Near army. But ... It was suggested to cut exactly those who should have been cut. And then epaulettes flew with real commanders. In military units began to perform "distribution list".

Now that we have understood that force, including military, is an important part of independence, the state is trying to somehow remedy the situation. The enrollment of cadets in military institutes and academies has been sharply increased. Monetary allowances for military personnel increased to an acceptable level. Military camps with quite modern living conditions are being built. For military personnel solved the issue of housing through a mortgage.

But today in the Russian army there is a terrible shortage of officers. In all military districts. But especially in the East. Thousands of vacant officer positions. And where the officers are needed most. This is a platoon and company link. Those same lieutenants and elders who, along with the soldiers constantly. The strength of the army depends on the knowledge and ability to train these particular lieutenants. And it is they who lead the soldier into battle. Shoulder to shoulder. Even die together.

Some readers may argue. Military schools have dramatically increased recruitment. Yes, increased. And indeed significantly. Only now this increase should be considered from Serdyukov’s “reform.” And I remind you, in 2011, 1160 people were accepted to study at military universities in Russia. Exactly. Slightly more than a thousand cadets for the whole army. On nearly a million army.

Communicating at the exercises with senior officers from a major and above, I often heard complaints about the level of training of junior officers. Today it has reached the point that an experienced contract sergeant is valued higher than a lieutenant. Just because as a platoon / division commander, a sergeant who has passed military service is already quite “ready for use”. Unlike the lieutenant.

It became clear that the situation should be corrected, and urgently.

Today, in many regional military registration and enlistment offices there are mobile personnel groups from the Eastern Military District. The task of these groups is simple - to find and return to the district of the reserve officers who were dismissed from the ranks of the Armed Forces. And they want to return precisely junior officers. That platoon and company link. Those who are today 30, give or take 5.

The initiative of such an attempt belongs officially to the commander of the Eastern Military District, Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin. Why officially? Because such decisions are at least consistent with their superior.

Are there any prospects for this idea? According to official data, about 600 people have returned to the service today. All officers are assigned to units and subdivisions of the BB. But...

I know a few officers who "left" at Serdyukov. Senior officers. And none of them is going to return to the army. No one! Only if war. Salted by the soldiers later in Afghanistan and Chechnya, they do not believe that they can now serve normally. And it's already too late to change the just-adjusted life for military camps. "Settled" all.

But the most important thing is that the majority do not see prospects in such a service. And for myself, and for the army. You can take the position. Will it only benefit the subordinates? Any officer understands that the main thing in the service is good. Train the soldier and officer in such a way as to be able to perform any task. Military officers are skeptical of "staff". It so happened in the Russian army from time immemorial. Therefore, the question of senior officers, as I think, is closed today.

I specifically looked at the vacancies that are offered at the local military registration and enlistment office, for the most part - platoon commanders. Any, from motorized rifle to medical, including fleet officers. The conditions are wonderful. But for some reason there is no queue.

Well-educated, young officers, in contrast to the "old", have already entered into civilian life. Young people adapt faster. Yes, and learn too. Probably there are among the young and those who "do not fit." But the number of such will be minimal. And are they really needed in the army?

The problem remained. Universities work, cadets are recruited. The prestige of the military profession today is quite high. Just prepare a professional today for a couple of years is impossible. Weapon and military equipment requires not just a competent officer, but a person who really knows this technique professionally. And this is five or six years of study.

The commanders of units and formations "get out" as they can. At the posts of junior officers appointed ensigns. In some parts platoons are generally commanded by contract sergeants. But this is "plugging holes." Option when bezrybe and cancer fish. A sergeant, especially a good sergeant, as mentioned above - he is still a bream.

So what awaits us ahead? I am sure that the personnel problem today is the headache of most staffs. The Eastern Military District was simply in the worst position. And there are almost no prospects for “getting” a fresh lieutenant from a higher education institution. I think in the near future we should expect an option that has already been tested in Soviet times. Graduates of military departments of civilian higher educational institutions will be called up as officers of a platoon level. "Jackets".

Vacancy, of course, filled. Only now the quality of such commanders ... There was one very good leader of a great country who was right. "Cadres decide everything!" And these frames must be protected. The army is not a housing office. Janitor can be replaced by another without any problems. But the officer is very problematic.

In Soviet times, "jackets" were a fairly common phenomenon. Moreover, some of the conscripts remained in the army and served well in the future. I know one retiree. He joined the army from the Tashkent Polytechnic Institute. In Afghanistan, 7 once went to the caravan. Resigned as a lieutenant colonel. And on the chest, not only has anniversary awards.

But in order for such officers to appear, a very clear and well-thought personnel policy is needed. The contracts that are entered into the service must be sufficiently long. Not less than 5-7 years. And the next contract should already give some privileges. The officer must be "fixed" in part.

In addition, it is necessary to resume the rotation of officers by districts. Commanders must serve not only in one district. Must be the prospect of relocation. As it was in the USSR. Five to seven years old and either for promotion or in another district. From east to west and vice versa. Thus, there is an incentive to grow professionally.

The next two to three years, the personnel problem, especially in the link commander of a platoon-company, will continue. The contract army, about which we hear constantly, requires seriously trained commanders. A professional soldier is not a conscript. His knowledge and skills are much higher. So, the commander must be a specialist.

And to the commanders of units and formations I will remind the old tale: "We would only have to stand for a night, but hold out for the day." And the lieutenants will come. Come and stand in operation. But, unfortunately, not tomorrow, but in a few years. It remains to hope and believe that properly trained professionals will come. Not hunters "sit out" the contract for the desired housing and quick retirement.

That's just on such principles, we can get an army of professionals. Professionals are not in the presence of contracts, but in essence. But this is the near future. In the meantime, platoon commanders need to be taught from those who are. And seek, seek, seek ...
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  1. +13
    14 September 2016 15: 47
    The most important topic is raised in the article.
    But ... there is a creep for the better in manning, but everything is going very tight.
    It seems that there are many "unafraid idiots" around wink : here some civilians demand - "to Kuev!", but there are no officers in the army!
    There is propaganda, there is a tank biathlon, there are exercises, it seems, but there are no junior officers in the infantry and tank troops (and artillery too) ... request
    What ch. the personnel department and the generals and commanders did not know that without these platoon and company commanders it would be impossible to fight?
    There are no funds for the preparation and maintenance of a sufficient number of officer (and not only) personnel?
    It is necessary to conduct an audit: what are the costs for the bureaucracy, state and municipal, how many officers are heads of press services, teachers of general civil disciplines of military schools, accountants, clerks in personnel and other services, conductors, engineers of KEC, etc. not only in the Armed Forces, but also in other power structures. These structures have already significantly exceeded the number of aircraft. They then reduced or vice versa?
    In general, it would be nice to start with the fact that only military commanders and commanders in the army, nat. Guard, OMON, i.e. those who are fighting, whom, if necessary, can be sent to Syria, Chechnya, Donbass to the front line, to the firing position.
    The rest of the civilian and semi-state guys should not wear epaulettes, but be called advisers, junior and senior inspectors, police commissioners, etc.
    It is necessary to recall the meaning of the Peter's Table of Ranks, to divide the real civil and military service, to single out the most necessary "military men", and someone completely without prejudice, on the contrary, even with great benefit can be reduced or replaced by a civilian employee.
    It seems to be a symbol, words.
    But "first there was the Word."
    1. +8
      14 September 2016 16: 21
      What ch. the personnel department and the generals and commanders did not know that without these platoon and company commanders it would be impossible to fight?

      And look, who is in charge of personnel policy in the Moscow Region? That's right, Pankov Nikolay Alekseevich, KGB officer-frontier guard-FSB officer. In 2001, under Ivanov, he headed the GUK. In 2004, the army general and state secretary of the Ministry of Defense. He was in charge of the General Directorate of Personnel, the Main Directorate of Educational Work, the Main Directorate of Public Service of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. In 2009, he was transferred to the reserve while retaining the position of Secretary of State - Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. He crushed officers in the cabbage under Serdyukov. And still sits in the same position.
      It is necessary to conduct an audit: what are the costs for ... teachers of general civilian disciplines of military educational institutions, accountants, clerks in personnel and other services, conductors, engineers of KEC, etc. not only in the Armed Forces, but also in other power structures.

      I don’t know for other law enforcement agencies, but at the universities of the Moscow Region a civilian teacher receives approximately as a fifth-year cadet, about 5-16 thousand. In general, civilian personnel of the Moscow Region do not generally fatten.
      The rest of the civilian and semi-state guys should not wear epaulettes, but be called advisers, junior and senior inspectors, police commissioners, etc.

      Honestly, some nonsense. This nonsense has already been put into practice by Serdyukov & Makarov. In parts of the sea of ​​civilian advisers and assistants, they just flaunt the commander in uniform for everything.
      1. +4
        14 September 2016 16: 49
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        Quote: piter-tank
        Honestly, some nonsense.

        True, you didn’t understand it, you hurried, however. Yes
        Achinea is if a woman, in fact, a clerk in the personnel service of the Higher Education Institution of Higher Education, is a major (as the frigate’s commander), but in the financial unit of the boogalter’s colonel, and the lieutenant colonel teaches mathematics without any training. Yes, there are different press services, etc., there are generals ....
        And the teacher’s salary of 15 thousand (it’s true, if he is without a category or academic degree) is also a disgrace and nonsense, that it is comparable to the monetary allowance of a cadet who receives a free education.
    2. +5
      14 September 2016 16: 55
      The author of the problem is right.
      And Peter's ranking card is not needed, which again produce the blue blood of gold miners.
      It is necessary in Russia to end with a market flea market and move on to the economy of social development.
      Invest in people who will create the country's GDP, rather than stuffing pockets with oligarchs.
      The oligarchs under Putin are no better than the oligarchs of capitalism.
      1. +4
        15 September 2016 04: 56
        Quote: stas
        And Peter's ranking card is not needed, which again produce the blue blood of gold miners.

        And here is the "blue blood", what kind of nonsense about the "golden chase" ??
        How is the Report Card different from Decree of the CEC of the USSR No. 19 and SNK of the USSR No. 2135 of 22.09.1935/XNUMX/XNUMX?
        What, do you propose to introduce one or two titles for everyone - "lads" and "lads", like at Father Angel?
        Do you understand what an increase in the career ladder means for an officer? For him, this is not only the replacement of stars with heavier and extra tens of money content. This is a recognition of his professionalism.
        Invest in people who will create the country's GDP, rather than stuffing pockets with oligarchs

        Yes Yes. For all the good versus all the bad. Who is stuffing pockets in the oligarchs - a platoon with a company?
    3. +5
      15 September 2016 12: 29
      Dear Alekseev, you are absolutely right. The problem of having officers in the platoon-company position did not appear yesterday. And no "jackets" will replace this category. In our regiment we have the head of the orchestra, the chief prod, the chief, the chief of fuels and lubricants, beginning. services RAW, etc., the category "major" and pay them huge, compared with the company commander money. These positions may well be performed by ensigns. It makes me laugh when the commander of a brigade of 3 thousand. the person is "colonel", and the head of the song and dance ensemble is major general. Young lieutenants, having come to the regiment, see the true attitude towards combat officers; a lieutenant who has arrived at the post of chief of physical training of the regiment, immediately gets to the post of major, head of the club is the captain, head of the orchestra is major. A motorized rifleman, tanker, artilleryman - for the post of senior lieutenant, and many of them can reach major in 8-10 years. And this despite the fact that they work in combat units and with personnel. It's time to replace all non-combat positions with warrant officers or civilian officials. And I will give you one more example; in 1985-88 I studied at the Frunze Academy and read the biography of one of the heads of departments, finished the war as a platoon commander and ended up in the academy in the support company and without leaving the Academy I rose to the beginning. department, God forbid the memory of Chem. troops. He taught us to command regiments and divisions. And tactics at the level of the regiment-division. taught by Lieutenant Colonel Yarovaya, who entered the academy from the position of commander of a cadet company. Storytellers are shorter.
  2. +2
    14 September 2016 15: 48
    It may have been written correctly, but with some youthful pathos.
  3. +10
    14 September 2016 15: 54
    It seemed that with his reforms Serdyukov tried to destroy the continuity of army generations. I don’t know for what reasons he proceeded, but the result is deplorable, Shoigu still hiccups from such experiments on the army.
    Experience is expensive, but starting from scratch, from scratch ... I do not envy these lieutenants.
    As for the lack of officers, he was in the days of the USSR. Even despite large graduations from military schools. In my service, other years it reached up to 20%. It was very difficult, but somehow managed.
    Communicating with senior officers from major and above during training exercises, I often heard complaints about the level of training of junior officers.

    The destruction of historically established military schools with an established scientific, teaching school has never led to good results. I’ll talk about what is closer to me: in what drunken stupor could it have occurred to me to dump the flight, engineering academy of the Air Force, Irkutsk WWAIU (aircraft and engine, aviation equipment), Tambov WWAIU (radio-electronic equipment, Aviation armaments) into the secondary Voronezh rear school Air Force, where there was no training base. Neither the necessary space, nor the teaching staff? What do we want now? In the current situation, even if the sets are sharply increased, what good will come of this? And in this area it is necessary to begin with the basics - the acquisition of a worthy teaching staff.
    1. +2
      15 September 2016 01: 27
      well ... and Voronezhsky didn’t get any better. Teachers cry simply - there is NOTHING to teach cadets.
  4. +6
    14 September 2016 16: 04
    This problem is not segmental, it is eternal. I feel sorry for what was said about the jackets. I served in the KDVO 1997-1999, then units of personnel came to the division, and dozens of jackets were taken. I myself would give a jacket to many staff graduates. There were about a dozen of us from the same city at the same time, and we immediately gained authority among the soldiers, part of which was completely unleashed (Bikin city 233 SMEs). There were many recruits from Dagestan, nothing coped. All RTU, BTU, vocational schools have passed. All Far Easterners themselves, maybe that’s why it was easier for us. Well, the staff had seen enough of what they came from Western schools, more than half escaped in the first year of service. By the way, we were then invited to all stay, a couple of my countrymen stayed and rose to the rank of colonels.
  5. +6
    14 September 2016 16: 15
    maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the problems began much earlier than Serdyukov ... I remember in the early 90s they cut the army and fired them almost by regiments ... my father was an aeronautical engineer, went through the army from flight technician to deputy ... regiment commander for engineering and aviation service. served in garrisons and bases in the Far East. one "fine" day comes home - that's all, served. built on the parade ground in 1992 - "everyone over 40, step forward!" and that's all, thanks for the service ... well, my father had enough length of service to retire, but many do not ... more than half of the neighbors in the garrison (pilots, engineers, etc., many with combat experience) suddenly became young pensioners ... No work, no experience in civilian life, generally fun. and then they are surprised that there are not enough commanders in the army. and it was not the "courtiers" who were fired, but the combatants
    1. +2
      14 September 2016 19: 39
      He served in the 90s, Serdyukov and did not smell, and lieutenants in the army did not stay.
  6. +4
    14 September 2016 16: 32
    I do not defend Serdyukov, but his reform was the last step in what happened to the army and navy, starting with perestroika.
    1. Articles by A. Borovik, in which the praises of the American Armed Forces were sung and the theme was that we did not need such a large army.
    2. The older generation remembers how the state acted with our troops withdrawn from Europe and Afghanistan.
    3. When the Union collapsed, many officers refused the oath of the Russian Federation.

    In 25 years we have lost what was created much longer - the continuity of generations, and not only in the armed forces. They say the truth: "to break, not to build." Now it will take much more effort to revive everything. I do not scold the current generations, but among them there are many who want a lot of everything and instantly, and with such "porridge is hard to cook." Something like this.
    1. +5
      14 September 2016 23: 43
      Quote: B.T.W.

      3. When the Union collapsed, many officers refused the oath of the Russian Federation.

      In the Russian Federation, Soviet officers did not over-swear. Russia officially declared itself the successor of the USSR
      1. +2
        15 September 2016 05: 08
        I apologize if the information is incorrect, but even without this point there was enough negativity that destroyed the armed forces. Broken families, broken destinies, lost lives are the result of the "care" of the state for those who defended the people and the state in the 90s. It's easy to get dirty, but not all "spots" are quickly removed.
    2. 0
      20 September 2016 13: 27
      Somehow, Serdyukov is separated from the state, having forgotten who appointed him as his minister and who removed.
  7. +3
    14 September 2016 17: 31
    Everything is true in the article, everything is true. I will only add that in order to "blind" a sensible captain from a lieutenant, in addition to his desire, time and patience:) direct commanders also require the knowledge base laid down in him during training. Alas, what colleagues write about has also hit the faculty (especially engineering higher educational institutions), which means that the chain is lengthened for several more years - until a scientific school is either recreated or formed again at the leading graduating departments of military educational institutions. Therefore, I think that in addition to attracting current reserve officers to the army, it is necessary to work out the issue of returning the teaching officers to the higher educational institutions, albeit as employees of the RA, so that, based on their experience and best practices, start again a full-fledged training process with the accompanying R&D.
    1. 0
      14 September 2016 21: 17
      Universities provide basic knowledge, not practice, the second is gained only in the troops. Keep in mind that universities always lag behind troops in applying practical skills.
  8. 0
    14 September 2016 17: 45
    Once the People's Commissar of the Ministry of Railways Kaganovich said: "Every accident has a surname, name and patronymic." The shortage of officers has the names Serdyukov and Makarov. Motorized riflemen to Sakhalin. Dot.
  9. 0
    14 September 2016 19: 16
    Quote: B.T.W.
    When the Union collapsed, many officers refused the oath of the Russian Federation.

    Something I do not remember such that, after the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation was sworn. Personally, this situation (the collapse of the USSR) found me in Baku. The position was decent, general. On the offer to stay in the Azerbaijani army, I refused and returned to Novosibirsk, where I was transferred to Baku from in 1990. Only now there were no posts equivalent to the previous one. I had to start what is called from the bottom, but at home, in Russia. And no one demanded a new oath from me - he signed a contract, and continued to serve. Then he got an appropriate position and an apartment. So he finished his service in Siberia. By the way, when, in 1993-94, instead of directorates of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, military districts began to be created in the internal troops, like military ones, then army officers of the ministry of defense dismissed various reasons from the sun. And they were hired. It’s clear that I can’t say exactly how many of them transferred from the Moscow Region to us, to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but almost all the staff technical posts in the district, the headquarters of divisions and brigades were understaffed by these officers. So, the problem is solved.
  10. +5
    14 September 2016 19: 38
    I am recovering in the BBO, documents in the district. I am waiting with no patience for recovery
    1. +1
      14 September 2016 20: 48
      Good luck in a new place! I envy, alas, they don’t take the elderly sad Yes, and the platoon will not pull fellow So that the stars become big and epaulettes without gaps ...
    2. 0
      15 September 2016 08: 42
      Quote: vashe
      I am recovering in the BBO, documents in the district. I am waiting with no patience for recovery

      Good luck !!!
      Good service to you.
      Comfort to your family.
      drinks
      1. 0
        16 September 2016 05: 10
        With bright envy I write - in a good way. Now in the army it is very interesting. We at 90 and zero could only dream of such a thing. I would love to go to serve as a tank battalion.
  11. 0
    14 September 2016 21: 13
    The topic, however, is important not only for the Armed Forces, but also for other law enforcement agencies. However, the problem of recruiting troops with officer personnel, especially for junior and middle command personnel, has existed for a long time, in Soviet times it existed in the flesh before the collapse of the USSR. However, previously the shortage of officers was filled up as follows: graduates of higher educational institutions, KPMO, and an external student (due to the appointment of officers as superintendents and warrant officers who passed examinations for higher education institutions, recruitment of reserve personnel from citizens and other educational institutions. Now half of these activities are not carried out. And it would be necessary because the shortage of even 500-600 people is replenished not in a year or two, but in at least 5-6 years.
  12. +4
    14 September 2016 21: 14
    The second time on the same rake. For the first time in the late 50s and early 60s with a bald corn idiot: they shut down universities and colleges, drove graduate cadets and without an academic certificate, young officers and those who had nothing to do until retirement.
    When in the late 60s the clouding passed and under Leonid Ilyich they revived both the strength of the army and its prestige. It took a lot of officers. New military schools were opened, but attempts to return those who were thrown out failed. You will not return the lost 10th anniversary to people, and it is unpromising to start officer service at the age of 30.
    Well, the maize in the infernal cauldron tumbles. But who interferes with taking stools for \ eggs - confiscate everything stolen by him and his lady's battalion of lovers. And to hang him publicly?
    The defeat of the SYSTEM of military education, which has been created for decades, the undermining of confidence in the army and higher educational institutions (and suddenly, the Defense Ministry will become different, to learn what they did to Zhukovka and the Gagarin Air Force - ????) is a terrible time bomb!
    Under the tribunal of a stool and his accomplices !!!
    1. +1
      14 September 2016 22: 49
      RoTTor
      Under the tribunal of a stool and his accomplices !!!

      Cool you swung! belay Totally agree! good
  13. 0
    14 September 2016 21: 48
    The commanders of units and formations "get out" as they can. At the posts of junior officers appointed ensigns. In some parts platoons are generally commanded by contract sergeants. But this is "plugging holes." Option when bezrybe and cancer fish. A sergeant, especially a good sergeant, as mentioned above - he is still a bream.


    I served in such a unit. The actual AI of one of the platoons was generally a corporal contractor.

    So what awaits us ahead? I am sure that the personnel problem today is the headache of most staffs. The Eastern Military District was simply in the worst position. And there are almost no prospects for “getting” a fresh lieutenant from a higher education institution. I think in the near future we should expect an option that has already been tested in Soviet times. Graduates of military departments of civilian higher educational institutions will be called up as officers of a platoon level. "Jackets".

    In Soviet times, "jackets" were a fairly common phenomenon. Moreover, some of the conscripts remained in the army and served well in the future. I know one retiree. He joined the army from the Tashkent Polytechnic Institute. In Afghanistan, 7 once went to the caravan. Resigned as a lieutenant colonel. And on the chest, not only has anniversary awards.


    There is such a thing. The dean of my faculty, where I studied, from such. Normal man.
  14. +3
    14 September 2016 22: 17
    [quoteMany officer positions have been cut. In their place, positions for civilian employees have been introduced. I perfectly understand moms and dads who are happy to see civilian cooks in the soldiers' canteen. Civilians should be more skilled than "soldiers". However, in the event of a redeployment of a unit or subunit, who will feed the soldiers? The civilian is "tied" to the house, to the locality. And he did not take the oath. Normal work, nothing more.
    ] [/ Quote]
    I read before this blunder and interest in the article disappeared, although many write that the topic is most important, I agree with this.
    The author apparently did not serve in the army. Officers did not serve as cooks. It was not an officer VUS. Therefore, cooks from the ranks and sergeants served in the canteens. The most dirty and hard work was performed by a daily outfit from the rank and file of units. But the head of the dining room could be either an officer or an ensign, but they were not cooks and dishwashers and the floors also did not scrub.
    1. 0
      15 September 2016 05: 23
      laughing Both authors served ... And not soldiers. One even rose to the senior officer lol Moreover, one of the authors even graduated from Suvorov School before the Higher School of Higher Education soldier
      And an example is given in order to understand how many civilian posts have been introduced ... By the way, the cook of Marshal Sokolov was a senior lieutenant. He saw lol
  15. 0
    15 September 2016 00: 07
    What is the same in 30 - 35 years will go "Vanka platoon" to serve ??? At the age of 27, my father was already a captain and commander of a battery (just the most necessary "shot" if you believe the article). And here in 30 - a fly, and what's in the future ???? By 45 - the captain ?! It will not be enough, but you will not reach the rank of lieutenant colonel, the academy does not shine, and why then flatten ???
  16. 0
    15 September 2016 06: 13
    I perfectly understand moms and dads who are happy to see civilian cooks in the soldiers' canteen. Civilians should be more skilled than "soldiers". However, in the event of a redeployment of a unit or subunit, who will feed the soldiers? The civilian is "tied" to the house, to the locality. And he did not take the oath. Normal work, nothing more.

    well, don’t tell me, we had civilian aunts in the military school, it was easier to get over them than to get around, forever with the sumars they went home more and they cooked food so-so, but when they went to the training center, there were there were soldiers from the supply battalion, the food was very personal: with meat and butter and sweet tea
    And I recall that in 2011, 1160 people were accepted for training at Russian military universities.

    in 1989, only 600 people recruited us at TVVSKU, with the expectation of releasing 400-450
  17. +2
    15 September 2016 06: 52
    We will not talk about those officers who actually stayed until retirement. Although these were very, very much. Staff, military registration and other. We are talking about those who held lower positions and had not so many stars on their epaulets.

    In the category of "other", I suppose, are the officers included - commanders of platoons, companies, battalions and regiments (and their deputies), who were sitting in their pants in "folded" units? I would single them out in a separate category - "supply managers". There were so many of them in the army (200 thousand dismissed from this category?) That out of a million servicemen they could not allocate 60 thousand active bayonets to continue the war in Chechnya. Now we pay tribute to them (although, it is better to give money than soldier's lives).
    1. 0
      15 September 2016 07: 22
      Can not argue with that. Indeed, the example of Chechnya is very successful. Just not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Officers of the sea, but there is no one to command ...
  18. 0
    15 September 2016 08: 15
    Lord, Lord !!! As we in the fire department suffered, we suffer and will suffer from such officers !!! Tankers, signalmen, etc, etc !! They are now in command at the BSEC. AND I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT THE BEST !!! Guys I just do not have words about what shells of these heads !!! Can you imagine our specifics ?? And all of them during this reform fell on the senior officials !! Read for the sake of interest the biographies of the BSEC chiefs and imagine what we have suffered. Lord, this is just a cry from the soul. Not all are of course terrible .... but. Lord Sorry I had to talk.
  19. 0
    15 September 2016 11: 26
    The problem is systemic, and in our army it is not solved at the level of the concept itself. The officer must grow. That is the very idea of ​​military service in peacetime. The lieutenant must become a senior, captain, major ... further everywhere. This does not work.
    In the sense that such a path in peacetime ... acts on the army very, very badly. Our army is a continuous war army. For this growth system to work, at least half of the lieutenants must die in battle. Two thirds is better. Sounds creepy, right? But this is the truth.
    The army, as a clearly functioning defense and defense mechanism, DOES NOT need senior officers in the quantity in which it produces them in peacetime. What we see around, what we see in this article. Moreover:
    And recently at headquarters
    From the war
    I suddenly met
    My friend
    On a friend’s chest
    Order of the medal
    I touched myself
    Seems OK!
    Yes, veterans of real combat are offended. The mass of "growing" officers who did not fight, but who were at the headquarters of the "growing" officers, simply pushed them, the veterans, to the sidelines. And why, in fact, also wait? Non-Afghan Veterans Apply for Promotion ...
    You can’t even see attempts to resolve the issue, the question has not even been raised by anyone. Herds of herds freely graze in greasy pastures ... though there is no one to fight. But while the senior officers are well-contented, they have all sorts of opportunities, the question is posed only like this - where to find a fly?
    "The tale of how one man fed two generals." Yes?
    1. 0
      15 September 2016 14: 17
      Do you know how many generals in the Ministry of Emergencies ??? 1 for 369 people. Karl !!! 369 people !!! For one !!!!
  20. +1
    15 September 2016 13: 06
    All this is obvious. But those who do not need power. A professional will become overly smart, and random people are needed for one-time use. And, preferably moronic. Well, here is how the education system will try.
  21. +1
    15 September 2016 18: 55
    Quote: populist
    RoTTor
    Under the tribunal of a stool and his accomplices !!!

    Cool you swung! belay Totally agree! good


    Hmm ... In the Kremlin, you have to make a coat about the tribunals and executions.
    A kind of %% on 80 to the wall
  22. +2
    15 September 2016 18: 59
    Quote: domokl
    Can not argue with that. Indeed, the example of Chechnya is very successful. Just not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Officers of the sea, but there is no one to command ...


    Chechnya is a time of betrayal by both leaders and the media
    1. 0
      16 September 2016 06: 56
      What does this have to do with it? The conversation that officers were not found to command
  23. 0
    15 September 2016 19: 06
    Quote: Wector677
    Do you know how many generals in the Ministry of Emergencies ??? 1 for 369 people. Karl !!! 369 people !!! For one !!!!


    Shoigi's legacy?
  24. 0
    16 September 2016 05: 00
    He wrote last year to the Moscow Region and went to the draft board - he asked to be returned. There is no answer from the Defense Ministry, the military enlistment office said - carry the attitude, then we will call.
  25. +1
    16 September 2016 07: 36
    Yes, it is not the general who needs to look for lieutenants, but professional sergeants. In principle, such a concept was "on the mind" of Serdyukov, when they began to train sergeants in VVUZ according to a 3-year system. As a result, "we wanted the best, but it turned out as always." And the sergeants were not trained, and those who were trained, were silenced by the positions of private contract soldiers, and the junior officer commanders were fired. Ideally, a sergeant may be competent in many matters that an officer may not even know. But this is an American system that has been taking shape for centuries. In Russia, this will not work, because what is good for a Russian is death for a German!
    1. +1
      16 September 2016 16: 08
      I’m afraid that Serdyukov’s mind had no concept other than economic
  26. 0
    16 September 2016 09: 25
    All this was already in 1995, for example, the service itself was taking place. Neither lieutenants nor captains were in short supply; the clerical service people fled to civilian life. Then they called us jackets, which were then shoved into Chechnya and through all the holes and then were indignant that everything was so bad ... The arrogant attitude of the cadres towards the called-up officers who could not get out of service was always striking. Evasion was punishable by a criminal code with imprisonment. And there were still times, there was no work on a civilian, but they did not pay salaries in the army, it came to the point that the lieutenants fired from despair ...
  27. 0
    16 September 2016 10: 44
    In 2011, 1160 people were accepted for training at Russian military universities. Exactly. A little more than a thousand cadets for the entire army. To an almost millionth army ...

    Ofon. He knew that everything was bad, but did not think so. Yes, Mr. Serdyukov can be crucified only for this. Five times.
    It turns out that this year an incomplete thousand lieutenants will come to the troops? ... I sympathize with everyone, both combatant and staff (it is not necessary to consider the headquarters as a sinecure). Both that, and others for inhuman employment. And the second one is also for the headache that they have covering 60-70% of the officers all positions that only an officer can be put on. But if it is different, then only violating all conceivable and inconceivable directives and orders. Whoever comes across will understand.
  28. +2
    16 September 2016 13: 54
    The number of captains (and this link is just the most necessary in the army - commanders of companies, batteries) was reduced almost twice (1,8, more precisely). The commanders of the units "knocked out" more thoroughly. Colonels cut in 5 times. Lieutenant Colonels in 4 fold.

    I specifically cited data on this link of the army and navy. Any military man understands: this is the core of any army. Those who are directly involved in hostilities or develop combat operations. Those who have already become an officer really, and not by rank.

    Uh-huh ... how these officers are developing combat operations was clearly visible in 2008. So many years were preparing, even the exercises with the legend of "helping the peacekeepers" were carried out exactly before 080808 - and as a result, the commander is ambushed, battalion groups go without reconnaissance and security, reconnaissance guards rear facilities, military air defense shoots at everything that he sees, army aviation sits behind the ridge, the Air Force is generally scored on the main task of any war and sends shock troops to the unsuppressed air defense, intelligence is unable to read the UN report on the arms trade - and the presence of Georgia's Buks is confirmed only after the seizure of a battery in Abkhazia.
    We were very lucky that the Georgians were in the enemy.

    In addition, you must agree that for an army of 1-1,2 million to have more than 400 thousand officers, warrant officers and warrant officers is somehow too much. Especially taking into account the fact that they had one or two subordinates and there was a lot of it - in 2000 the army barely gathered 60 "active bayonets" from all over the country, and even on 000 platoons of 08.08.08-17 people fought.

    And the commanders of these officers were often only on paper: for the "field" officers, their cadre divisions turned into warehouses of rusty and incomplete equipment, while the headquarters staff retained structures that had previously operated corps and divisions from the times of the USSR - but now they worked with brigades and divisions ...
    In short, everything is like Slashchev’s:
    "Arriving in the troops, I found 256 bayonets, 28 guns and with them 2 division headquarters and 1 corps headquarters, fully staffed!"
    © (A.Ya.Slashchev, telegram bar. Wrangel - 1920, June, five months before the evacuation of the remnants of white troops from the Crimea to Constantinople).
  29. 0
    16 September 2016 15: 43
    Serdyukov was right because he took the army of Western countries as an example. Well, look at American films, what authority and authority a simple sergeant has! And their generals can be counted on the fingers. And in the Russian army, generals and other ranks were in number as ordinary!
    1. 0
      16 September 2016 16: 06
      "watch the movies" is a great argument!
  30. 0
    16 September 2016 15: 48
    -Officers for the army are needed as military specialists, and not as "scarecrow-lieutenants" after the institute's military department at which the soldiers just make fun when they come to the troops ... -Officers do not need to be trained for "quantity" and for "tick". .. -Only military schools or special military universities should train officers ... -Personally, I myself have seen so many similar "fake officers" (lieutenants and senior lieutenants of the reserve who received their rank after university) who have an absolute superficial idea of ​​the army .. -How can you trust the life of Russian soldiers to such "commanders" ..? -In the Russian army that ... -so many soldiers and their lives are worthless ..? - None of the world's army trusts such "officers" to command soldiers ... - they protect their soldiers ...
    1. 0
      16 September 2016 16: 05
      in many armies of the world, officers come even less trained than our jackets. and at first almost on par with sergeants. before talking about the whole world, ventilate the question on the British, for example, officer training system ...
      1. 0
        16 September 2016 16: 53
        On Geronimo73 Today, 16:05 PM

        -Your "fan" is absolutely not suitable here ... -Russia needs only professional officers, why should Russia be equal to ... someone ...
        -How are the Chinese officers trained ..? -In "if something happens" .., Russia that ...- will refer to your "argument" and declare to the same Chinese specialists (in case., God forbid war with China) that they say "in our Russian army we trained our officers ... - anyhow ... -but after all, officers are also trained in the British army not a bit better "... -I think that the Chinese will be quite" satisfied "with such an" argument "... -Yes, and the Americans, too ... -All enemies of Russia will be "arranged" by such "fake Russian officers" ...
  31. BAI
    0
    16 September 2016 15: 51
    Well, with the number of officers, everything is quite complicated. And in the Red Army and in the SA, in comparison with the armies of other states, there was an excess of junior officers (the absence of non-commissioned officers affected). But on the other hand, under Serdyukov, all the aunts in our unit from the cadres and the financial department put on officer's shoulder straps with a subsequent rise in rank. All warrant officers became junior lieutenants. In Glavka, the senior warrant officer has grown to the rank of colonel. The officer corps should be matched to the military doctrine: who is the enemy, with whom we are fighting, by what forces. And while the United States is either "partners" or "probable adversary" there will be a mess with the number of officers.
  32. 0
    16 September 2016 16: 02
    and Belarusians to do with the article?
  33. +1
    16 September 2016 22: 09
    This year he himself faced this problem, his son was drafted into the army in the spring, but the summons also came to me. I myself am a pensioner since 2011, though the police. He left for health reasons. Plus, there is a discrepancy in ranks, I'm a lieutenant colonel in the police, and the army is still older. A semi-civilian type sat in the military registration and enlistment office and promised me golden mountains and nights full of fire, the rank of captain, a salary of 70 thousand, but in the north. Say they raised my personal file and decided to help, become an engineer at the radio center. We would have a saber and a horse, but to the line of fire, but alas, this work at this moment is not for me. He took his awards well, after all, he served in the riot police for almost 20 years, was the chief of staff of the battalion. Somehow he explained to his comrade that as early as 15 years he had been retrained from signalmen to special forces. He hardly understood, offered to undergo a re-qualification, the most interesting thing is that those awards that the state refused to put in a private matter for a long time. It's like I stole something.
  34. 0
    17 September 2016 11: 03
    No matter what power in Russia! There is such a profession to defend the homeland
  35. 0
    20 September 2016 00: 09
    But where can one find them if they are not? After such a "defeat" not every army wakes up ...
  36. 0
    20 September 2016 18: 36
    Yeah, a lot of letters about the importance of officers, like "there is such a profession ...", I've heard. Only they are about nothing.
    Cry no lieutenants? Serdyukov is bad? Is it better now?
    My son watched how, after 25 years of service, I have been waiting for a state-guaranteed apartment for 10 years already, how lieutenants were expelled from the army after school, like captains before retirement, or before the right to housing, they were thrown out into the street for several months, how military pens are left to die in abandoned military men townships and said "Well nah this army" and did not go to school. Although I was preparing. For information: now if the father-officer has received housing for his son, then the son-officer is not entitled to anything. Like he has already "exercised his right to housing." This is how they now take care of the officer dynasties.
    Not for the apartments we served. But when other bear angles sent me and others to the Baikal region, they said: serve where the mother-mother sends, and then get where you choose. Well served honestly. And where is my hut under old age? It is unlikely that I will survive. We just adopted laws! Just the fact that the officers were equated to the poor on housing worth what. This causes more damage to the army than Serdyukov.
    In general, while you need and serve, they promise you. And how he served, became unnecessary - they throw out like a used piece of paper
    After such an arrogant bazaar scam, I do not want my son and grandchildren to become officers.