Obvious Things About a Moon Scam

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Obvious Things About a Moon Scam

One proof is enough to dispel doubts about a man’s flight to the moon.

Saturn V flew


If the eyes of tens of thousands of eyewitnesses gathered on the launch day on m. Canaveral, the 2300-ton carrier was able to ascend into the sky, then all disputes about flags, improper dust and fake photos no longer matter. The energy capabilities of launch vehicles and accelerating units (thrust, specific impulse) are the defining moment in interplanetary flights. And if they were able to overcome the most difficult test, the remaining stages of the path could not cause problems. In technical terms, docking, flying and landing on the surface of the moon is easier than creating the Saturn V superracket.




Tourists on m. Canaveral, on the launch day of the Apollo 11

Each of the five engines of the first stage of “Saturn” burned two tons of liquid oxygen and a thousand liters of kerosene per second. The gas generator developed power, like atomic icebreaker turbines. In just two minutes, the thousand-ton design accelerated to a hypersonic speed of 10 thousand km / h and reached an altitude of 68 kilometers.

If modern “whistleblowers” ​​could feel the tremors of the earth and see the fire storm with their own eyes, they would be ashamed to publish their “revelations”.

“Saturn V” certainly flew. His start thirteen times in a row personally witnessed thousands of witnesses. And on the other side of the Earth, the powerful Soviet telescopes closely watched the course of the lunar mission. The military and scientists could not be mistaken, seeing as the 47-ton ship went on the departure trajectory to the Moon ...

In the end, who else, besides the “Saturn V”, could bring out the Skylab orbital station (77 tons, 1973 year) ??

There is one more reinforced concrete argument, the authenticity of which cannot be doubted. Above the lunar program seriously worked in the Soviet Union. That means only one thing - domestic experts did not consider landing a man on the Moon a technically insoluble task. As part of the Soviet lunar program, a full range of technical equipment was created: the super-heavy launch vehicle H-1, the lunar-orbital ship LOC, the launch module LK and the lunar spacecraft “Krechet”.

All this was repeatedly tested and participated in space flights!

Instead of reading the fascinating books of Y. Mukhin, better find out detailed information about the secret victories of the Soviet Cosmos.

“Cosmos-379”, “Cosmos-398” and “Cosmos-434”. Three consecutive successful flights of the descent module Lunar LK (unmanned version) with a cycle of maneuvers in near-earth orbit.

“Cosmos-146”, “Cosmos-154”, as well as a series of 12 launches on the probe program. All this is a test of the Soyuz 7K-L1 spacecraft, created for a manned flyby of the Moon (without landing). Constructively, this was the Soyuz spacecraft without a domestic compartment, instead of which the accelerating block D-1 was docked. Also, the lunar “Soyuz” was distinguished by the presence of a system of remote space communications and enhanced thermal protection. It was considered by the Soviet leadership as a relatively simple and cheap ersatz project for inflicting yet another defeat on America in the Space Race.

The ships Zond-5, 6, 7, 8 perfectly completed the flyby program. It was Zond-5 that became the first spacecraft to fly around the Moon with living organisms on board with their subsequent safe return to Earth (hello to all fans of tales of terrible radiation belts, as if they were killing all life).

With regard to a number of failures - the state commission came to the conclusion that, if the “probe” were in a manned version, its crew with a high probability could correct the mistakes that were still imperfect automation.

The real problems have arisen only with the most complex component of the system - the super-heavy carrier rocket H-1. But even in this case, one cannot doubt the reality of its existence. As for the first unsuccessful launches of H-1, it really did not have time to “bring”. Could, but did not have time.

And after that come the various “fly”, and talk about shooting in the pavilions of Hollywood. Disgrace.

As for the landing of Americans on the moon directly:

The fact of the existence and flight of the super heavy RN Saturn V is beyond doubt.

The next component of the lunar expedition is the heavy manned Apollo spacecraft. The Soviet cosmonauts A. Leonov and V. Kubasov, participants of the experimental flight under the international program “Soyuz-Apollon” (docking of two ships in orbit, July 15 1975) could confirm the existence of this ship.


The volume of the command compartment - 6 cube. meters
Estimated autonomy - 14 days (with a duration of lunar missions from 8 to 12 days).
Fuel capacity in the service compartment tanks - 7 tons.
The stock of oxidizer is over 11 tons.
The total mass of the spacecraft (without the lunar module) - 30 tons.

Life support systems are normal. A full supply of 18,4 tons of fuel (excluding 120 kg of nitrogen tetroxide for engines of the orientation system). Large and heavy "Apollo" had all the technical capabilities for the lunar expedition (of course, because it was created for this).

Landing on the moon. For some reason, this one is the most questioned among the exposers of the “moon swindle”. The Americans built a rocket, but could not put the module, because ... Because all this is incredibly difficult from the point of view of the inhabitant.

But how big is the complexity of such maneuvers for those who seriously dealt with the problem? Planes with vertical takeoff and landing can give the answer.

24 is considered to be 1966 in March of the Russian VTOL aircraft. On this day, three years before the Americans landed on the Moon, the Soviet Yak-36 performed a vertical take-off and landing.

What was the difference between the vertical landing of the “Yak” and the landing of the lunar “Eagle”?


In both cases, the fuel supply is limited. Overview of the cab leaves much to be desired. “Yaku” is even more difficult - unlike Armstrong and Aldrin, his pilot has to deal with the negative influence of the earth’s atmosphere, including dangerous gusts of side wind. At the same time, driving two lift-marching engines + a system of jet rudders in the front and rear parts of the fuselage.

In this case, the engine “Eagle” was two times less than the total thrust of the engines Yak-36 !!! Under conditions of six times less gravity, the lunar module was content with the total 4,5 ton (against the YN 10 ton). Taking into account the fact that at the time of landing he was working on a minimum mode, this explains the absence of any “terrible craters formed by a jet” at the site of the landing of the Eagle.

And they landed! With proper preparation, this trick was becoming commonplace.

In 1972, the first Yak-38 made a vertical landing on the swinging deck of a moving ship. The total flight time during the operation of these machines was 30 000 hours !!

During the events of the Falkland War, the British managed to land their “Harriers” on the decks of aircraft carriers in a solid fog when the amplitude of the vertical movements of the deck reached several meters. And this was done by ordinary combatant pilots. Without the help of modern computers. Exclusively based on his flying skills and intuition.

But Armstrone and Aldrin's hands apparently grew from the wrong place. They couldn’t put an “Eagle” on a static surface, even if they were alone, provided they had informational support and advice from the mission control center.

As for the cosmic velocities of the “Eagle”, then descending from orbit and approaching the surface of the moon represented a set of algorithms for switching on the braking engine, compiled even on Earth. Accurate to the second. As with the usual return of astronauts to Earth.

What is special about it?


Finally, if everything was so bad, how could SIX soft landings of automatic stations “Surveyor” (1966-68, the purpose of the mission is to check the density of the soil, to collect information about the relief and features of the areas selected for the work of subsequent manned missions).

Further more. Moonlight Soviet stations:
“Luna-9” - 1966 g., The first soft landing on the surface. Followed by “Luna-12, 16, 17, 20, 21 and 24”. Seven domestic vehicles successfully reached the Moon, moreover, taking into account the level of development of 1960's technologies, they did it almost blindly!

“Luna-16” not only she levitated, but also took off, delivering samples of lunar soil to Earth in September 1970. “Luna-24” did the same.

“Luna-17” и “Luna-21” Lunar rovers successfully transported to the surface of the satellite 800-kg.

And then the charlatans will come and say: “What about the American flag waving? Technique of the time did not allow to fly to the moon ".

Moreover, the Soviet and American space programs have always been at the same level. And if we could - why could not they?

Why did you stop flying to the moon?


A manned flight to the moon is of no practical value even in the perspective of the coming decades (neither industrially, nor economically, not even militarily). What can we say about the 70-s. last century!

For a similar reason, the Yankees froze manned flights on the ISS for a whole decade — from 2011 to the beginning of 2020. (renewal, plan). But is this not a reason for doubting the existence of “Shuttles”?

“Mukhin and Co.” may consider themselves the smartest of all, deftly “calculating” fakes and traces of retouching on photographs of American expeditions. ABOUT! - here is the second light source. And this is a narrowing shadow. There is not that stone. And it all looks ridiculous. It is logical to assume that if people who built the 2300-tonnage “Saturn” decided to really deceive everyone, then you would not have guessed about a fake.

Although what are fakes for? Is there a ready-made PH of the required power, a ready-made ship and a landing module? Everything is ready for the expedition, but decided to shoot in Hollywood. So that the whistleblowers could earn millions on their "revelations".

Forty years have passed, didn’t there really appear a single device capable of taking photographs of Apollo’s landing sites, once and for all to dispel doubts?

Launched to 2009, the Lunar Orbital Scout (LRO) helped to compile a detailed 3D map of the lunar surface with a resolution of up to 0,5 m. All Apollo landing sites and Soviet automatic stations were captured.


Landing place "Apollo 12"



Landing stage of the Soviet AMC "Luna-24"


Of course, this argument is not worth a penny in disputes with supporters of the "lunar conspiracy." All traces of a human being on the Moon were undoubtedly drawn in Photoshop.

But the main arguments remain unshakable.

Thirteen successful launches of the super heavy RV Saturn V

Fully ready Soviet lunar program, not implemented solely because of the will of the top leadership of the country. To put it more precisely - the loss of the need to continue the “lunar race”.

If the Yankees half a century ago built a rocket engine with 700 tons of tons (the thrust of one F-1 exceeded the thrust of all 32 LREs in both stages of the Soyuz launch vehicle), then why did these “geniuses” fly on Russian engines?

The production technology of “Saturn” is irretrievably lost, as well as the technology of making damask steel. And this is never a joke. Six million parts - the most complex of systems ever created by man. Despite the preserved drawings and even engine samples, now no one remembers the order in which all this was collected and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements. But the main thing is that even having spent billions on the analysis of the remaining samples of the LV design and having fully restored the technology, it is completely incomprehensible who will now undertake the manufacture of the “Saturn”.

In the work on the program “Saturn-Apollo” was attended by hundreds of contractors, many of which over the past 40 years have changed their occupation, were bought out, merged with each other or went bankrupt, dissolved in time.

Currently, a pleiad of 16 rocket engines and boosters is being used across the ocean (Rocketdine 68, RL-10 family, Centaurus, Falkens Ilona Mask, SRB solid propellant accelerator - the most powerful rocket engine ever built, with double more than the Saturn LRE, etc.).

Among them - only two engines of Russian origin. These are the RD-180 (the first stage of the Atlas-III / V PH) and the upgraded NK-33 (the first stage of the Antares RV). This is not an argument in favor of NASA's technological powerlessness. This is a business.

Photo Gallery:


Start 130-meter RN "Saturn V"



Soviet lunar spacesuit "Krechet"





Boarding cabin



Samples of lunar soil, delivered by the Apollo-11 expedition, Moscow, Exhibition of the Exhibition of Economic Achievements



Moonstone Storehouse



Camera of the automatic station "Serveyor-3", delivered to Earth by the Apollo-12 expedition (the module was sent in 400 meters from the site of the "Surveyor")


The article was posted on the website 2016-01-05
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  1. +4
    11 November 2020 06: 09
    We are leafing through old pages...Oleg Kaptsov...authors, commentators who have not been seen for a long time...
  2. -1
    11 November 2020 07: 24
    Phew, I thought the really killer evidence would be that the Americans flew to the moon. And so another blah blah blah. It was not for nothing that the author mentioned Yu. Mukhin: he is definitely the ideological inspirer of O. Kaptsov. But O. Kaptsov does not reach the level of evidence of his guru. And the article should have been called “Obvious things about “flights to the moon.”
  3. Eug
    -2
    11 November 2020 07: 38
    I didn’t see any new arguments for myself, my doubts were not dispelled. Even in adolescence, I was greatly surprised by the film Capricorn-1, at that time there were still people capable of publicly contradicting the official version of events, or at least generating well-founded doubts about it. The author focused on global moments, but the devil is in the details....
    1. +2
      11 November 2020 08: 13
      I personally discussed this topic with Mukhin in the late 90s on the pages of his “Duel”. I even gave him the book “Lunar Soil from the Sea of ​​Abundance,” which contains a comparative analysis of the soil delivered by the Americans with the soil delivered by us. However, for Yuri Ignatievich - everything is God's dew. He was only interested in the scandal and the circulation of his newspaper. He carefully analyzed his “arguments” - about the flag (crumpled calendered nylon), and glare in multi-lens lenses, and the absence of stars in the sky and so on. The only way out of all this was that he crap on me in his next book (a very pissy gentleman), and therefore I was invited to participate in a program on ORT, held in 2006, about the hack film “First on the Moon.”
    2. +1
      11 November 2020 14: 50
      Quote: Eug
      The author focused on global moments, but the devil is in the details....

      Here are the latest details:
      Chinese scientists have calculated the level of radiation that people will be exposed to on the surface of the Moon. It turned out to be 200 times higher than on Earth. The results of the study were published in the journal Science Advances.

      https://ria.ru/20200925/luna-1577778199.html
      And here’s how you can compare this with the doses that the liquidators at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant received:
      During an annual flight on the International Space Station (ISS), an astronaut receives a dose of radiation similar to the liquidator of an accident at a nuclear power plant, Vyacheslav Shurshakov, head of the radiation safety department of manned space flights at the Institute of Medical and Biological Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
      “On Earth, an ordinary person receives a dose of 1 millisievert per year, and an astronaut on the ISS receives 220 millisieverts,” he said.

      https://ria.ru/20191227/1562916015.html?in=t
      The authors determined that the daily dose of ionizing radiation on the Moon averages 1369 microsieverts. which is about 2,6 times higher than on board the International Space Station.
      Now compare modern spacesuits on the ISS and those in which the Americans landed on the Moon to wonder how they spent several hours practically without any protection from radiation.
  4. +2
    11 November 2020 07: 39
    I believe in a time machine - Like a 2016 article, published in 2020.
    Damn, 2020 is scaring me more and more.
    1. +4
      11 November 2020 08: 06
      The VO crisis is visible to the naked eye. Old articles are used to fill the site.
      1. +4
        11 November 2020 08: 14
        The question arises - what is the problem, instead of this dull Kaptsov creativity, posting an article even on the same topic from another resource, the same British IOP or the American National Space Center?
        After all, for this you need no more time than to produce an endless feed of news about Karabakh or freezing Ukraine.
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  6. +2
    11 November 2020 08: 29
    I'm afraid in 10 years it will be difficult to believe that the first person to go into space was from Russia. But really, what does Russia have to do with it? Gagarin was from the USSR. And this, although not entirely, is different. And the creators of Soviet cosmonautics were not all ethnic Russians. At the top, only Korolev was Russian by nationality (and even then with reservations). Well, the names Glushko, Chertok, Rauschenbach speak for themselves. Relatively recently, at a lecture, Academician Zeleny said that all achievements in interplanetary flights, unfortunately, took place in the era of the USSR. Russian cosmonautics so far has little to boast of.
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  8. +3
    11 November 2020 08: 39
    "fresh catch" from fish of "second freshness". Admins, I suggest making a subtitle in the History section: “looking at old publications”
  9. +1
    11 November 2020 09: 16
    If modern “whistleblowers” ​​could feel the tremors of the earth and see the fire storm with their own eyes, they would be ashamed to publish their “revelations”.
    I love urban poets! Is it okay for NASA to pay for articles like this? Or does the funding come from the project “Devilization of Russia”, so as not to worry twice? Artists...
  10. +1
    11 November 2020 09: 23
    This is Rubilovo! 680 comments!!.. These archives are an interesting thing.
  11. bar
    0
    11 November 2020 09: 34
    The Saturn V certainly flew. Thousands of witnesses witnessed his start thirteen times in a row.

    Life support systems are normal. The total supply of fuel is 18,4 tons (excluding 120 kg of nitrogen tetroxide for the attitude control system engines). Large and heavy, Apollo had all the technical capabilities to carry out a lunar expedition

    The Saturn V certainly flew. And Apollo had the technical capabilities. But did the crew have such capabilities? The topic of the crew’s existence for two weeks in a rarefied atmosphere of pure oxygen and in diapers has not been addressed (the first Soviet cosmonauts ended up in intensive care after several days in zero gravity). Of particular interest is such a trifle as the decompression of the crew after they waved their hands to “thousands of witnesses” and were locked in the ship (with the earth’s atmosphere and pressure) just before the launch.
    1. -1
      12 November 2020 06: 02
      Quote: bar
      And Apollo had the technical capabilities.
      Read, in particular, "Soyuz-Apollo" - https://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st55.htm
  12. 0
    11 November 2020 10: 35
    Oleg Kaptsov, do you have a conscience to talk such nonsense?
    It looks like you are paid for the number of letters, and not for the quality of the content.

    PS I didn’t immediately notice that this was an old article from 2016. Who and where brought this bearded nonsense back into the light of day?!
  13. kig
    0
    11 November 2020 11: 28
    I re-read both the article and the comments with great interest. What was most striking was someone Max_Bauder with his shuttle, which he could not land on the surface of the Moon, since there were no landing strips on it. Actually, in the 21st century, the issue of the “moon scam” is quite easy to solve - after all, we have I. Musk. Everyone, both supporters and opponents, should chip in $10 (surely this is enough, given the number of people arguing around the world), and order the Mask to deliver some simple video recorder with a transmitting antenna to the Moon, to the landing area. Even if it's Samsung. And everything will become clear.

    I propose to discuss another problem, much more pressing and mysterious - the shape of the Earth. This is a real mystery, and it is right under our feet, not like the Moon above our heads. The Americans say that they were there, and we believe it or not, that is, we do not have a common opinion. Who said that the Earth is round? Even the author of this idea is not known, but everyone believes it, simply because it is written so in the textbook for the 5th grade. But this is a very controversial issue, because no one saw the Earth as a ball. Even astronauts only see the disk. During my time working in the navy, I made voyages around the world twenty times, but I still didn’t understand whether our Earth was round or something else. For example, the flight starts in Hamburg. Our container ship leaves the port and sails west (or east, it doesn’t matter), visits many different countries and returns to Hamburg. Is this proof? Where else could he return, since Hamburg is marked on our schedule? Let's talk about this topic, it's much more productive.
  14. 0
    11 November 2020 11: 46
    Doubts about lunar missions arise among people who are not very far from the Flat Earth theorists. It’s hard to imagine how with 1970s-level computers it was possible to fly, land, take off, and dock and return. It is difficult for the imagination to imagine how it is possible to trample the surface of another celestial body and look at the Earth above your head. However, I have no doubt that the United States succeeded in all this - at that time they were world leaders in the range of technological areas necessary for this task. Like it or not, but it's a fact. From which one conclusion must be drawn - triumph is work, work and more work. And competent goal setting.
  15. 0
    11 November 2020 16: 42
    Saturn V flew


    No, I didn't fly. Saturn 5 did not fly.

    If the eyes of tens of thousands of eyewitnesses gathered on the launch day on m. Canaveral, the 2300-ton carrier was able to ascend into the sky, then all disputes about flags, improper dust and fake photos no longer matter. The energy capabilities of launch vehicles and accelerating units (thrust, specific impulse) are the defining moment in interplanetary flights. And if they were able to overcome the most difficult test, the remaining stages of the path could not cause problems. In technical terms, docking, flying and landing on the surface of the moon is easier than creating the Saturn V superracket.

    It's all great --- the engines are roaring, the ladies are throwing their caps into the air....
    The question is one and simple: how many tons did Saturn 5 actually lift?

    The fact that he was flying is understandable - everyone saw it. The question is about the tonnage being lifted, and only about it.
    In order to send Apollo and its crew to the Moon, it is necessary for Saturn 5 to launch 140 tons, or at least 120 tons, into LEO (low reference orbit). Saturn 5 is declared as 140 tons in LEO.

    But in reality.... There is an opinion that 80 tons is its real value.

    It was the failure of Saturn, it was the failure of creating the launch vehicle (more precisely, the 1st stage engines) that led to the need to involve Kubrick in the program.


    In the end, who else, besides the “Saturn V”, could bring out the Skylab orbital station (77 tons, 1973 year) ??

    That's right: 77t --- this is the tonnage of Saturn-5.
    Although there are questions here: by analogy (that is, “if I had designed it,” that is, “ours”), Skylab turned out to be rather heavy. It seems that in reality it weighed 7 tons less than stated.
    It’s not difficult to calculate (again, by analogy)
  16. 0
    11 November 2020 16: 57
    Quote: BENNERT
    So that experts do not immediately have questions - F-1 violates the first law of thermodynamics


    It's not that.
    Brown ordered a hydrogen one, and everything was based on hydrogen.
    But.... I couldn’t, I couldn’t.... (Actually, no one has been able to do it so far.)
    I had to sculpt a kerosene one. And write the numbers...well, those are what you need.

    And the fact that such figures are impossible for a kerosene stove.... Well then.
  17. 0
    11 November 2020 17: 38
    Oh, guys! They are all such engineers and physicists! What - FOR, what - AGAINST! Well, this is: “My spelling is good, but for some reason it’s lame...” “Assumed”, etc., I’m keeping silent about separately... Who sent opponents to school?) Not physics, really? teach, and - grammar!(((
  18. 0
    11 November 2020 18: 02
    Who killed Kennedy? laughing
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  20. 0
    11 November 2020 19: 43
    Earth tremors? Author, from such a monstrous lie there should be a trembling of the voice, tongue, head and heart shaking of unprecedented force! Obscurantism and the wildest, simply dense ignorance, this is the trembling of the earth due to the unprecedented deception created in those years
    But even worse is the fanatical belief in Saturn V, it was correctly noted that if he existed, the rest apparently also happened
    But he was not and, unfortunately for all of us, could not be
    Just reading this makes me feel disgusted, how can a literate person believe in this sedition?
  21. -1
    11 November 2020 19: 54
    Why don’t I care if they flew or not? Why prove the stupidity of a book that no one has read?
  22. 0
    11 November 2020 20: 02
    [Despite the surviving drawings and even samples of engines, now no one remembers in what order it was all assembled and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements]
    Author, after this phrase you just need to spend the rest of your life self-deprecating!
    How much did you pay for the article?
  23. 0
    11 November 2020 21: 21
    If the Yankees built a rocket engine with a thrust of 700 tons half a century ago (the thrust of one F-1 exceeded the thrust of all 32 rocket engines in both stages of the Soyuz launch vehicle),

    The first stage of the Soyuz rocket (side blocks) and the second stage (central block) each have ONE RD-107 engine, that is, there are exactly 5 of them at the bottom. Each engine has 4 combustion chambers, a total of 5x4 = 20 nozzles. Where does the number 32 even come from?
    There were 30 engines on the N-1 rocket, but these were NK-15 (later NK-33) engines with one combustion chamber of 150 tons (170 tons) each
  24. -1
    11 November 2020 21: 51
    Taking off does not mean landing on the moon, a poor excuse for mattress covers. They weren't on the moon.
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  26. 0
    12 November 2020 00: 28
    The Saturn production technology is irretrievably lost, as is the technology for producing damask steel. And this is never a joke. With six million parts, it is the most complex system ever created by man. Despite the surviving drawings and even samples of engines, no one now remembers in what order it was all assembled and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements.

    I will not deny US flights to the Moon. On the contrary, I think that only they could organize such a meaningless and crazy show. They created a rocket for only a dozen flights and then abandoned it and killed it. They risked people's lives because they could not create machines to solve the same problems. The lunar show is a giant rocket that no one needs and a dead end to space exploration. Something like a space analogue of the battleship Yamato.
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  28. +1
    12 November 2020 01: 43
    Kaptsov became completely bad at writing such nonsense when serious experts repeatedly sorted out the lunar scam of Nas swindlers, but you shouldn’t expect sanity from Hivi Nas. laughing
  29. 0
    12 November 2020 08: 27
    Saturn 5 certainly flew, but not far, approximately to the Bay of Biscay. Where our people picked up an empty mock-up of the descent module during the launch of Apollo 13
  30. 0
    12 November 2020 09: 13
    Everyone saw that the cannon fired, which means the shell hit the target. It’s very accurately said. Where are the samples of lunar soil? Where are the drawings of the launch vehicle? They also disappeared!? Together with the creators? Epic and stupid Kaptsov set himself up - if you don’t know the topic, don’t write.
  31. 0
    12 November 2020 09: 46
    “Cosmos-379”, “Cosmos-398” and “Cosmos-434”. Three consecutive successful flights of the descent lunar module LK (in an unmanned version) with a cycle of maneuvers in low-Earth orbit.”
    The author so convincingly proved to us the American flight to the Moon, but he forgot to write how, without prior preparation, you can immediately fly to the Moon? I advise the author to go to Chelyabinsk to the local history museum. And look at the meteorite, which invigorates you in the morning. When the United States also shows its lunar soil, at least a 100 gram pebble, then all the talk will end. And there will be no need to prove something that did not happen. From the word AT ALL!!!
  32. 0
    12 November 2020 10: 49
    I was the only one who was confused by the fact that according to the author, after 2 minutes the rocket was flying at a speed of 10 km/h...that is, about 000 km/s, which is 167 times faster than the second cosmic speed...and if you calculate the acceleration, it is about 15g...and This is already a loss of consciousness and possible health problems for the astronauts..
  33. 0
    12 November 2020 11: 04
    "...The Saturn production technology is irretrievably lost, as is the technology for producing damask steel. And this is never a joke. Six million parts are the most complex system ever created by man. Despite the surviving drawings and even engine samples, now no one will remember in what order it was all assembled and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements...." - this "revelation" is enough to treat with much greater respect the books criticized by the author of this "work", Mukhin. After all, how everything is simple with him, with the author! It turns out that after the termination of the lunar program, all the specialists either died out or fell into senile dementia, and all the documentation was disposed of (or maybe it didn’t exist at all - they drew everything on napkins, why not).
    1. +1
      30 November 2020 12: 41
      Dear DCK, we took part in the creation of the Saturn-Apollo rocket and space system hundreds of contractor companies, most of which currently do not exist. Sold, went bankrupt, changed their field of activity. All contacts and production chains have been lost.

      2. All Saturn-Apollo elements are made using equipment and technologies that are half a century old

      To revive this system in its previous form at the level of modern industry - what will it cost to digitize the drawings alone?

      Trying to recreate the equipment and technology of that era - specifically for the revival of Saturn, is impossible

      It is easier to design and build a new type of launch vehicle and spacecraft from scratch
  34. 0
    12 November 2020 11: 37
    Firstly, there were no Americans on the Moon and there could not have been. Since only a small amount of testing of the entire complex of equipment was carried out. The Lunar Module was not tested at all. Take any development of a rocket or aircraft - dozens of tests end in failure. And only the lunar race goes smoothly without any tests. This has never happened in the history of technology, and never will happen.
    As for the F-1 engine specifically, it was there, it worked, but it did not develop the declared thrust of 700 tons. He launched the astronauts into orbit, but there wasn’t enough energy to get to the Moon. They quietly splashed down and filmed a little in Hangar-18. In 2013, the engine was lifted from the bottom of the ocean, they tried to reproduce it, but they came across problems that are unsolvable even now and closed the topic. The old engineers had quit by this time and did not warn the young ones that it was useless to tinker...
  35. 0
    12 November 2020 12: 13
    Blah, blah, blah... Because because and no other way... that's the whole argument.

    Quote:
    "12.12.1966/XNUMX/XNUMX.

    CPSU CENTRAL COMMITTEE
    Secretary General Brezhnev L.I.

    To carry out the landing of astronauts on the moon in the United States, a Saturn-5 launch vehicle with the Apollo spacecraft is being developed. The implementation of this flight is expected according to NASA forecasts in 1968-69. with a significant probability of completion in 1968. But, according to our intelligence and practice of all of our design work, the F-1 liquid propellant rocket engine has serious problems due to practically unrecoverable high-frequency and low-frequency oscillations. All attempts to create an analogue of the F-1 have failed.

    Therefore, in the USSR, for the solution of this problem, an N-1 carrier with an L-3 spaceship is being developed. In the process of implementing this project, a number of serious difficulties were identified, of which the delay in the development of reliable engines for both the carrier and the spacecraft was decisive. For three stages of the N-1 carrier and the first stage of the L-3 ship, engines have been developed at OKB-276 for a long series of years (for 40 tons of thrust since 1959, for 150 tons of thrust since 1961). During this time, about 600 starts of engines with a thrust of 40 tons and about 300 starts of engines with a thrust of 150 tons were carried out. However, at present, the percentage of emergency starts of these engines at the stand is 20-30%. These statistics indicate that considerable time is still required for final engine refinement, which is difficult to evaluate. The engines of the last two stages of L-3 (blocks I and E) are in the initial stage of development.

    In connection with the above, there is a threat that the United States will falsify human flights to the Moon and NASA will carry out the landing of two astronauts on the Moon, conditionally on TV. In this case, the subsequent landing of one cosmonaut on the Moon using the N-1 - L-3 system can be considered as evidence of the USSR lagging behind in competition with the United States in the development of rocket technology only from the point of view of ideology and the media. Unfortunately, if Saturn-5 type rockets successfully take off and launch certain satellites into Earth orbit, it will be extremely difficult for us to challenge the priority, since the USSR does not have a full-fledged tracking system for spacecraft on flight to the Moon and in general it is hardly possible to make it guaranteed one hundred percent. Here, the solution to the problem falls entirely on the shoulders of the CPSU Central Committee and its highest bodies, especially in terms of exposing fake attempts by NASA to fly to the Moon - we responsibly inform you that the United States is not capable of sending a man to the Moon within the next ten to fifteen years. It is possible that it would also be better for us to send machine guns to the moon first.

    It should also be noted that the boosting of Saturn-5, which has been repeatedly carried out in the United States in recent years, has not led to the creation of a significant increase in the carrying capacity of carriers N-1 (design 95 tons in orbit of the satellite) and Saturn-5 (about 130 tons). Real numbers are 45 and 65 tons, respectively. The creation of a modified carrier N-1 on liquid hydrogen with a carrying capacity of 130 tons or more, virtually collapsed at NASA and the United States.

    Considering the above, a group of chief designers (Chelomey, Glushko, Barmin, V.I. Kuznetsov) a year ago (from 15.10.65) submitted to the Ministry of General Engineering a proposal for the development of the UR-700 launch vehicle with the LK-700 spacecraft, more successfully solving the problem of reaching the moon by astronauts and questions of further competition with the United States in space exploration.

    There is no reason for haste — America lags in many directions and often bluffs. Let us systematically develop our lunar program. We will win the moon race.

    Best regards

    CHELOMEY V.N. BARMIN V.P. KUZNETSOV V.I. IZOTOV S.P. LIKHUSHIN V.Ya. GLUSHKO V.P. SERGEEV V.T.
    KONOPATOV A.D. ISAEV AM PUKHOV V.A."

    Oh, well, yes, Soviet scientists are not an authority, and in general, everything that does not praise the USA and belittle the USSR is a fake, that’s the whole argument of modern liberoids.
    1. kig
      0
      12 November 2020 14: 22
      Since this is all a quote, even if it’s a very long one, then why didn’t you quote the beginning and end from the work of a certain N. Lebedev:
      My comrades handed me the following document: ...
      and then follows the text of the letter (see above), and then:
      Alas, it is difficult for me to judge whether this document is a fake or not.
  36. 0
    12 November 2020 16: 21
    The author decided to revive the space myth again on the eve of the alleged change in US leadership. To revive the mythology, so to speak. I'm already tired of this topic.
  37. +1
    12 November 2020 20: 26
    nonsense of the author!!!
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  39. 0
    12 November 2020 21: 35
    Americans were on the moon. But the ignorant cannot prove this, there is a crisis of education...
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  41. 0
    17 November 2020 22: 28
    Well, maybe it’s obvious to the author...But what does lost technology mean? Did the rats chew up the technical documentation or did the engineers become dumb? Apparently it is for these reasons that the Egyptians do not build new pyramids (not made of limestone).
  42. 0
    18 November 2020 02: 23
    The flight consists of many stages. For some, the Americans simply did not have the technology. For example, on these flights to the Moon they made dockings without having docking ports. That is, we have several operations for which there was no equipment then. Even now there is no technology with the required accuracy for returning using a two-dive scheme, especially since it did not exist then. To understand, an orientation system was required that would allow the ship to be directed from a single engine start from the Moon’s orbit into a corridor in the Earth’s atmosphere only a few kilometers wide. An analogy is a sniper shot a kilometer away at a flying bullet. Despite the fact that the sight only allowed him to hit the door from two meters.
    But even ignoring those stages of the flight for which there was no technology and considering this non-existent technology to be 100% reliable. For some of the stages there was technology, and its reliability indicators for the 60s of the last century are known. Taking into account not even all, but only 22 main stages with the then achievable reliability, the probability of a successful flight is only 5%. One, two 0,25%, three 0,0125%, all vanishingly small values. http://otstoja.net/st2/#more-390
    Sunrises and facts can be viewed here
  43. kig
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    18 November 2020 03: 29
    Exactly half a century ago, on November 17, 1970, one of the significant events of the 1th century took place - the Soviet “Lunokhod-XNUMX” set off on its historic journey across the surface of the Earth’s satellite..
    - I read this, and I had a question for the conspiracy theorists: why are you so inconsistent? So you point to the photo of tourists watching the launch of the lunar spacecraft and object: the launch is visible, but where does it fly next? Some even consider this photo to be staged. Now tell us, who even saw the launch of Proton launching the Lunokhod? Not only have there never been tourists waving handkerchiefs, there have never been any television broadcasts from there. TASS reported about the successful launch a couple of days later, but only those who worked at the MCC knew about the failures. Now it turns out that before the successful launch there were almost ten accidents, and the CPSU Central Committee was already thinking about stopping there. So come on, extend your inquisitive thought further and imagine that this is what happened, and the entire subsequent epic of the runaway carriage was staged at Mosfilm. Not even that: for this purpose a special top-secret studio was created, which was subsequently blown up by an ultra-small nuclear charge and rolled out by bulldozers. Well, the fact that no one has even hinted about this yet can also be explained very simply. It was such a time, you understand. They knew how to keep secrets. Photo of the Lunokhod landing stage on the Moon? Don't tell me, this is photoshop.

    Well, what do you think of the version?
  44. 0
    23 November 2020 17: 48
    Quote: kig
    So come on, extend your inquisitive thought further and imagine that this is what happened, and the entire subsequent epic of the runaway carriage was staged at Mosfilm. Not even that: for this purpose a special top-secret studio was created, which was subsequently blown up by an ultra-small nuclear charge and rolled out by bulldozers. Well, the fact that no one has even hinted about this yet can also be explained very simply. It was such a time, you understand. They knew how to keep secrets. Photo of the Lunokhod landing stage on the Moon? Don't tell me, this is photoshop.

    Well, what do you think of the version?

    Of course, I really like this version and I’m ready to accept it.
    But unfortunately, the existence of the Proton rocket today cannot be denied; it launched the ISS modules and everyone still uses them today.
    The soft landing of Soviet and other automatic stations on the Moon cannot be denied, since they still fly today and transmit many photographs that cannot be taken on earth. The same applies to Mars and Venus.
    And Saturn 5 has been gone for 50 years. They say the drawings are missing. There were only 6 human flights to the Moon, and then for 50 years no one managed to do it again.
    Only this is a small difference between the lunar rovers and the Apollo flights.
  45. 0
    23 November 2020 17: 56
    Quote: PuperDriver
    Well, maybe it’s obvious to the author...But what does lost technology mean? Did the rats chew up the technical documentation or did the engineers become dumb? Apparently it is for these reasons that the Egyptians do not build new pyramids (not made of limestone).

    A very good comparison of Saturn 5 with the Egyptian pyramids. It's hard to come up with a better one. Technically primitive structures serving only religious and propaganda purposes.
  46. kig
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    24 November 2020 02: 51
    Hey, conspiracy theorists! A new topic for you: China sent a lander to retrieve lunar soil. Quickly explain to us why this is not possible.
  47. 0
    2 December 2020 07: 17
    Luna 16 not only landed on the Moon, but also took off, delivering samples of lunar soil to Earth in September 1970. Luna 24 did the same.

    The author alone understands the logic of a 10-year-old child (and which he revels in!) and is completely at the seams with the argumentation. Whatever phrase you take. How can such articles be allowed on VO, on Zen, and even better quality material on this topic is found! One of the reasons why I rarely come here.
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  49. 0
    4 December 2020 22: 38
    Right! You have to BELIEVE! All peoples believe in God, especially in their own, which does not prevent them from hating others. At the same time, they yearn for a meeting with cosmic civilizations, joyfully ready to pass on their knowledge, love and care to underdeveloped earthlings. The poor were the Americans, for whom GOD is money, which confused the teachers, but only temporarily.
  50. 0
    6 December 2020 18: 51
    “If modern “debunkers” could feel the tremors of the earth and see this firestorm with their own eyes, they would be embarrassed to publish their “revelations.” :))
    If THIS is an argument, then everything is very sad...
    they proved to morons many times with calculations that all this crap starting from Cape Canaveral physically could not even reach the first cosmic velocity in order to simply enter Earth’s orbit, and, having disappeared from the eyes of those seeing them off, it simply and stupidly fell into the ocean...
    why talk about the plausibility of the subsequent stages of the “epic” (and they are implausible, and this has also been proven many times), if everything is sewn with white threads from the very beginning...
    It’s sad that so many seemingly adequate people are furiously proving the superiority (and it is imaginary) of Soviet science and technology over Soviet...
    This is how you have to hate your native country in order to prove the unprovable, and lick its anus...
  51. -1
    14 December 2020 06: 14
    He can fly, and he has, BUT without people! There, the radiation is off the charts, and you and your spacesuits would die, which was recently proven by the expedition of the Chinese lunar rover with taking soil samples and measuring background radiation on its surface. Everything else is lyrics...
  52. kig
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    14 December 2020 12: 25
    Here, I recently found a couple of photographs of the lunar surface taken by the Chinese lunar rover:


    Has anyone noticed anything suspicious? And in vain.

    But you can’t see the stars in the pictures!
  53. -1
    1 January 2021 21: 12
    The author is an American patriot.
  54. 0
    4 January 2021 13: 02
    A good attempt, based on Soviet "galoshes", to prove the "great" technological and technical victories. Let the author excuse me, they deserve nothing else. And although at least one fact is needed to prove the landing on the moon, it just didn’t exist. Robbed, plundered, Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, was able to build and launch the Angara, and a high-tech, high-tech, richest country in the world buys engines for going into space from a gas station? Are you serious? No one can understand the drawings? Are you serious? Or maybe there is nothing to understand? Do you think that a pile of sand and a couple of cobblestones from the Miami beach under a hood is proof? Or the so-called a spacesuit made of cotton? Do you know why Armstrong called his grandmother grandfather? No? But provide me with at least one piece of evidence that his grandmother was not his grandfather!
  55. -2
    5 January 2021 06: 38
    why argue, the sleepwalkers had broken down their cameras, so they had to make a movie at home - after all, in supposed “negotiations” with the Earth, the astronauts said they were shooting rays at the camera laughing
    1. 0
      6 January 2021 19: 29
      Not very literate, but I think that the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral is ideal for a flight to the Moon, it is located at a latitude of 28 *, and the plane of the Moon’s orbit to the plane of rotation of the Earth is rounded 5 *, plus the angle of inclination of the Earth’s axis 23 * in total gives the same 28 * , that is, the orbital plane of the launched vehicle falls into the plane of the Moon’s orbit with an accuracy of a degree
  56. 0
    16 January 2021 13: 07
    What about the spacesuits in which the Americans allegedly flew and walked onto the surface of the Moon? The spacesuits in the museum and the specialists who saw them say that it is generally impossible to survive in them.
    As for lost technologies, this is generally nonsense, as if tens of tons of documentation fell out of a torn pocket at the market. And the original films taken on the Moon were also lost. When they ask uncomfortable questions, everything is lost and there are no explanations. There is also a political trace - a change in relations between the USSR and the USA for the better, the lifting of many sanctions from the USSR. and so on. Well, it was not without reason, because our people knew that you had not been to the moon, but decided that we could not argue with their media, and for silence we could get a lot of preferences.
  57. 0
    19 January 2021 11: 25
    Everything written by the author is just “large and obvious”. When creating lies about their “moon landing,” this is precisely what the Americans initially counted on: “large and obvious.” And “money” is not important to them: they printed it “from scratch” without counting, and the whole world worked for it (thanks to the “dollar” as an “international currency” - in those years there was no “euro”, like other currencies in "international settlements").
    However, “the truth is in the details.” And not “in sight” at all.
    You can talk a lot about “separately” proven lies on individual flights. This is also how our Soviet military sailors caught in the ocean and brought on board a “dummy rocket” (practically a large empty “bucket”, not a “device”: it was just a “theatrical decoration”), supposedly “successfully flying to the moon” (she also “started” in full view of everyone). But the USSR, having such a “trump card”, for some inexplicable reasons remained silent and did not “cut the truth” about the American lie. And the “astronauts” who are still alive, allegedly “died” in the explosion of a spacecraft (these, by the way, were discovered not by “our people from the USSR”, but by journalists from Germany and West Berlin: the Germans, meticulous in neatness and order, also do not like it when they are "led by the nose"). And the “lunar soil”, which for some reason turned out to be terrestrial (this was also discovered not here, but in one of the foreign countries; simply saving my personal time, so as not to delve into the “nonsense” that is obvious to me, I am writing all this in memory, so I don’t provide “links”: if anyone is interested, please look for the relevant information yourself).
    The Americans, under pressure from facts from journalists (Not ours, foreign ones: our Soviet authorities, apparently, “received something important and expensive in return” and became “conspirators.” By the way, then from the USA to the USSR, in addition to all sorts of American “household technologies” ", high-quality grain, but cheap for the USSR, went down a lot - it was transported for years and in whole trains, special “grain carrier” cars were even created, and some of the covered cars were converted for pure bulk cargo. Probably not forever, but for a certain number of years, the USSR contracted “be silent and assent.” And until these years pass, the Russian authorities “officially” will have to comply with such a Soviet-American agreement) were forced to declare that they filmed “some landings” on the ground for such and such “valid” reasons.
    But we are simple people. And we understand this “confession” well: it is more profitable for Americans to admit to a partial lie than to a complete one. (By the way, one of the authors and main participants in the “project,” before his death, admitted to a complete lie. But, of course, his words are not considered “official”).
    However, there is one “common thing” that says that not a SINGLE person has been on the Moon so far.
    Yes, mechanical devices that worked successfully could be sent there. By the way, this opportunity arose thanks to the USSR, which was the first to prove that “The Moon is solid!” (It’s just that Korolev first took a chance and guessed right, ordering the development of devices based on the solid Moon). How much time he “saved” the Americans in their desire to “catch up and overtake” (at least falsely).
    Before the Lunokhods, designers had assumptions that the surface of the Moon could be under a thick layer - tens and hundreds of meters - of suspended dust, in which any landing vehicle would simply “drown” irrevocably. Not to mention the deplorable fate of the people who flew there, who would find themselves in quicksand...
    American automatic devices were quite capable of “collecting soil.” Also, they could supposedly broadcast to Earth “conversations of astronauts on the Moon” (pre-recorded on a record on the ground, and then broadcast from a landing automatic device from the surface of the Moon). In the “Moon Scam”, most likely, such small devices were involved. Smaller and simpler than Lunokhods. And who worked on the Moon for a short time. But there were no people on the moon!
    And one “general little thing” that says that there were no people there (not a single one!) is the “Dzhanibekov effect.”
    The fact is that when the Americans filmed their fiction about “astronauts on the Moon” in earthly pavilions, with their spacesuits with “lightning” (this is for the vacuum of space!), but without the opportunity to perform a “minor need” (such as “military pilots”, for whom this procedure is usually not required due to the shortness of the flight), people still knew little. Not only about the “effect”, but also about the state of “man in space” too.
    But let’s, without dwelling on everything else (I’m simply tired of this topic with its exaggerated lies), let’s just mention the “Dzhanibekov effect.” Filmmakers didn't know about him. As do scientists and designers who have also never encountered it before.
    Thanks to this effect, oddly enough, Soviet “spherical” devices with “wings” - solar batteries - could use it to their advantage. But the American ones - no (due to the cylindrical shape without “wings”).
    But the point is that the “device”, when approaching the planet with its “head”, must “turn around” towards it with its “butt”. (He should not start from it “face down”!) And he will do this “maneuver” on his own! "Plus" to "planned"! But ours, faced with this, could “survive” it (of course, not without difficulty and risk). But the Americans would definitely have suffered a catastrophe due to the impossibility of the next docking. The reason for which would simply be the shape of their apparatus. In American “cinema,” of course, this “effect” with their apparatus is nowhere near. Otherwise, if astronauts had actually flown to the Moon, this effect would have been discovered not by Dzhanibekov at the station, but by the very first astronauts near the Moon (and, most likely, at the cost of their lives).
    By the way, the assertion that with the “rocket”, they say, “everything is lost” is simply, excuse me, ridiculous.
    By the way, both damask steel and damascus can be easily bought at any knife store - the secrets have long been revealed. And if there were such (supposedly “lost” - but they didn’t lose their heads?) “rocket drawings” in the USA, allowing people to get to the Moon, the Americans would have disposed of them long ago: military bases would already be built on the Moon (And they don’t care about treaties about " peaceful space." A reconnaissance telescope from the Moon would make it possible to save a lot on reconnaissance aircraft and reconnaissance satellites, not to mention the deployment of combat missiles there). Or if they sold these “long-outdated technologies” to the PRC for “crazy money” - the Chinese would already be growing rice on the Moon. I'm not even talking about the possibility of "space tourism" - such an article would be very profitable.
  58. Jeg
    0
    20 January 2021 11: 58
    The author - you yourself have anything to do with astronautics in order to indiscriminately accuse all doubting people and people who have a DIFFERENT opinion of incompetence and at the same time hang the label "Mukhin and Co." Firstly, Mukhin is a man and at the same time a “fighter”. He has his own opinion and defends it with reason. I read your opinion, but I didn’t learn anything smart or worthwhile there, your knowledge is a copy of the speeches of the former astronaut Leonov, who fiercely defended the Americans, but unfortunately is now somewhere on the run abroad, a bank sharper turned out to be.
    So I have one question for you regarding your conclusion about the Saturn - there was a rocket, but people have changed and technology - now they cannot create something like this. OK.
    Now I’ll ask the second question - the USSR brought about 1 kg of soil from the Moon, distributed it and kept it for themselves and it is still available, the USA BROUGHT 11 kg of soil - DISTRIBUTED to someone, unknown institutions - today this soil is NOT available. Not distributed to anyone in the USA --LOST.
    Karl--- “That was also possible”?
    )))))))))))
  59. 0
    26 January 2021 19: 04
    Quote: NordUral
    Where is it in the quantity stated at approximately 345 kg? And how much did they transfer to us and other countries?

    I was always surprised that the Americans gave the USSR a couple of tens of grams. As some explain, exactly as much as the USSR transferred to the USA.
    However, the question arises: what did those countries that received more and larger soil give to the United States?
    And purely from the point of view of trolling (the Americans have always been able to do this), why not give the USSR a cobblestone with kg and say “try to bring one yourself.” It would look impressive.
    My version is simple - they gave as much as they could. Then everyone draws their own conclusion.
    By the way, I believe in flights to the moon, but it certainly wasn’t as they say.
  60. 0
    22 May 2022 12: 18
    Eh, Oleg. You understand that the “believers” cannot be convinced. Even if in the future, a flight to the Moon will be financially accessible not only to states, but also to private companies, and organizations of “alternatives” will chip in to send one of their own to the site of any of the Apollo landings and let him walk around what is left - they are all They’ll also figure out how they could have set it up.