Obvious Things About a Moon Scam

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Obvious Things About a Moon Scam

One proof is enough to dispel doubts about a man’s flight to the moon.

Saturn V flew


If the eyes of tens of thousands of eyewitnesses gathered on the launch day on m. Canaveral, the 2300-ton carrier was able to ascend into the sky, then all disputes about flags, improper dust and fake photos no longer matter. The energy capabilities of launch vehicles and accelerating units (thrust, specific impulse) are the defining moment in interplanetary flights. And if they were able to overcome the most difficult test, the remaining stages of the path could not cause problems. In technical terms, docking, flying and landing on the surface of the moon is easier than creating the Saturn V superracket.




Tourists on m. Canaveral, on the launch day of the Apollo 11

Each of the five engines of the first stage of “Saturn” burned two tons of liquid oxygen and a thousand liters of kerosene per second. The gas generator developed power, like atomic icebreaker turbines. In just two minutes, the thousand-ton design accelerated to a hypersonic speed of 10 thousand km / h and reached an altitude of 68 kilometers.

If modern “whistleblowers” ​​could feel the tremors of the earth and see the fire storm with their own eyes, they would be ashamed to publish their “revelations”.

“Saturn V” certainly flew. His start thirteen times in a row personally witnessed thousands of witnesses. And on the other side of the Earth, the powerful Soviet telescopes closely watched the course of the lunar mission. The military and scientists could not be mistaken, seeing as the 47-ton ship went on the departure trajectory to the Moon ...

In the end, who else, besides the “Saturn V”, could bring out the Skylab orbital station (77 tons, 1973 year) ??

There is one more reinforced concrete argument, the authenticity of which cannot be doubted. Above the lunar program seriously worked in the Soviet Union. That means only one thing - domestic experts did not consider landing a man on the Moon a technically insoluble task. As part of the Soviet lunar program, a full range of technical equipment was created: the super-heavy launch vehicle H-1, the lunar-orbital ship LOC, the launch module LK and the lunar spacecraft “Krechet”.

All this was repeatedly tested and participated in space flights!

Instead of reading the fascinating books of Y. Mukhin, better find out detailed information about the secret victories of the Soviet Cosmos.

“Cosmos-379”, “Cosmos-398” and “Cosmos-434”. Three consecutive successful flights of the descent module Lunar LK (unmanned version) with a cycle of maneuvers in near-earth orbit.

“Cosmos-146”, “Cosmos-154”, as well as a series of 12 launches on the probe program. All this is a test of the Soyuz 7K-L1 spacecraft, created for a manned flyby of the Moon (without landing). Constructively, this was the Soyuz spacecraft without a domestic compartment, instead of which the accelerating block D-1 was docked. Also, the lunar “Soyuz” was distinguished by the presence of a system of remote space communications and enhanced thermal protection. It was considered by the Soviet leadership as a relatively simple and cheap ersatz project for inflicting yet another defeat on America in the Space Race.

The ships Zond-5, 6, 7, 8 perfectly completed the flyby program. It was Zond-5 that became the first spacecraft to fly around the Moon with living organisms on board with their subsequent safe return to Earth (hello to all fans of tales of terrible radiation belts, as if they were killing all life).

With regard to a number of failures - the state commission came to the conclusion that, if the “probe” were in a manned version, its crew with a high probability could correct the mistakes that were still imperfect automation.

The real problems have arisen only with the most complex component of the system - the super-heavy carrier rocket H-1. But even in this case, one cannot doubt the reality of its existence. As for the first unsuccessful launches of H-1, it really did not have time to “bring”. Could, but did not have time.

And after that come the various “fly”, and talk about shooting in the pavilions of Hollywood. Disgrace.

As for the landing of Americans on the moon directly:

The fact of the existence and flight of the super heavy RN Saturn V is beyond doubt.

The next component of the lunar expedition is the heavy manned Apollo spacecraft. The Soviet cosmonauts A. Leonov and V. Kubasov, participants of the experimental flight under the international program “Soyuz-Apollon” (docking of two ships in orbit, July 15 1975) could confirm the existence of this ship.


The volume of the command compartment - 6 cube. meters
Estimated autonomy - 14 days (with a duration of lunar missions from 8 to 12 days).
Fuel capacity in the service compartment tanks - 7 tons.
The stock of oxidizer is over 11 tons.
The total mass of the spacecraft (without the lunar module) - 30 tons.

Life support systems are normal. A full supply of 18,4 tons of fuel (excluding 120 kg of nitrogen tetroxide for engines of the orientation system). Large and heavy "Apollo" had all the technical capabilities for the lunar expedition (of course, because it was created for this).

Landing on the moon. For some reason, this one is the most questioned among the exposers of the “moon swindle”. The Americans built a rocket, but could not put the module, because ... Because all this is incredibly difficult from the point of view of the inhabitant.

But how big is the complexity of such maneuvers for those who seriously dealt with the problem? Planes with vertical takeoff and landing can give the answer.

24 is considered to be 1966 in March of the Russian VTOL aircraft. On this day, three years before the Americans landed on the Moon, the Soviet Yak-36 performed a vertical take-off and landing.

What was the difference between the vertical landing of the “Yak” and the landing of the lunar “Eagle”?


In both cases, the fuel supply is limited. Overview of the cab leaves much to be desired. “Yaku” is even more difficult - unlike Armstrong and Aldrin, his pilot has to deal with the negative influence of the earth’s atmosphere, including dangerous gusts of side wind. At the same time, driving two lift-marching engines + a system of jet rudders in the front and rear parts of the fuselage.

In this case, the engine “Eagle” was two times less than the total thrust of the engines Yak-36 !!! Under conditions of six times less gravity, the lunar module was content with the total 4,5 ton (against the YN 10 ton). Taking into account the fact that at the time of landing he was working on a minimum mode, this explains the absence of any “terrible craters formed by a jet” at the site of the landing of the Eagle.

And they landed! With proper preparation, this trick was becoming commonplace.

In 1972, the first Yak-38 made a vertical landing on the swinging deck of a moving ship. The total flight time during the operation of these machines was 30 000 hours !!

During the events of the Falkland War, the British managed to land their “Harriers” on the decks of aircraft carriers in a solid fog when the amplitude of the vertical movements of the deck reached several meters. And this was done by ordinary combatant pilots. Without the help of modern computers. Exclusively based on his flying skills and intuition.

But Armstrone and Aldrin's hands apparently grew from the wrong place. They couldn’t put an “Eagle” on a static surface, even if they were alone, provided they had informational support and advice from the mission control center.

As for the cosmic velocities of the “Eagle”, then descending from orbit and approaching the surface of the moon represented a set of algorithms for switching on the braking engine, compiled even on Earth. Accurate to the second. As with the usual return of astronauts to Earth.

What is special about it?


Finally, if everything was so bad, how could SIX soft landings of automatic stations “Surveyor” (1966-68, the purpose of the mission is to check the density of the soil, to collect information about the relief and features of the areas selected for the work of subsequent manned missions).

Further more. Moonlight Soviet stations:
“Luna-9” - 1966 g., The first soft landing on the surface. Followed by “Luna-12, 16, 17, 20, 21 and 24”. Seven domestic vehicles successfully reached the Moon, moreover, taking into account the level of development of 1960's technologies, they did it almost blindly!

“Luna-16” not only she levitated, but also took off, delivering samples of lunar soil to Earth in September 1970. “Luna-24” did the same.

“Luna-17” и “Luna-21” Lunar rovers successfully transported to the surface of the satellite 800-kg.

And then the charlatans will come and say: “What about the American flag waving? Technique of the time did not allow to fly to the moon ".

Moreover, the Soviet and American space programs have always been at the same level. And if we could - why could not they?

Why did you stop flying to the moon?


A manned flight to the moon is of no practical value even in the perspective of the coming decades (neither industrially, nor economically, not even militarily). What can we say about the 70-s. last century!

For a similar reason, the Yankees froze manned flights on the ISS for a whole decade — from 2011 to the beginning of 2020. (renewal, plan). But is this not a reason for doubting the existence of “Shuttles”?

“Mukhin and Co.” may consider themselves the smartest of all, deftly “calculating” fakes and traces of retouching on photographs of American expeditions. ABOUT! - here is the second light source. And this is a narrowing shadow. There is not that stone. And it all looks ridiculous. It is logical to assume that if people who built the 2300-tonnage “Saturn” decided to really deceive everyone, then you would not have guessed about a fake.

Although what are fakes for? Is there a ready-made PH of the required power, a ready-made ship and a landing module? Everything is ready for the expedition, but decided to shoot in Hollywood. So that the whistleblowers could earn millions on their "revelations".

Forty years have passed, didn’t there really appear a single device capable of taking photographs of Apollo’s landing sites, once and for all to dispel doubts?

Launched to 2009, the Lunar Orbital Scout (LRO) helped to compile a detailed 3D map of the lunar surface with a resolution of up to 0,5 m. All Apollo landing sites and Soviet automatic stations were captured.


Landing place "Apollo 12"



Landing stage of the Soviet AMC "Luna-24"


Of course, this argument is not worth a penny in disputes with supporters of the "lunar conspiracy." All traces of a human being on the Moon were undoubtedly drawn in Photoshop.

But the main arguments remain unshakable.

Thirteen successful launches of the super heavy RV Saturn V

Fully ready Soviet lunar program, not implemented solely because of the will of the top leadership of the country. To put it more precisely - the loss of the need to continue the “lunar race”.

If the Yankees half a century ago built a rocket engine with 700 tons of tons (the thrust of one F-1 exceeded the thrust of all 32 LREs in both stages of the Soyuz launch vehicle), then why did these “geniuses” fly on Russian engines?

The production technology of “Saturn” is irretrievably lost, as well as the technology of making damask steel. And this is never a joke. Six million parts - the most complex of systems ever created by man. Despite the preserved drawings and even engine samples, now no one remembers the order in which all this was collected and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements. But the main thing is that even having spent billions on the analysis of the remaining samples of the LV design and having fully restored the technology, it is completely incomprehensible who will now undertake the manufacture of the “Saturn”.

In the work on the program “Saturn-Apollo” was attended by hundreds of contractors, many of which over the past 40 years have changed their occupation, were bought out, merged with each other or went bankrupt, dissolved in time.

Currently, a pleiad of 16 rocket engines and boosters is being used across the ocean (Rocketdine 68, RL-10 family, Centaurus, Falkens Ilona Mask, SRB solid propellant accelerator - the most powerful rocket engine ever built, with double more than the Saturn LRE, etc.).

Among them - only two engines of Russian origin. These are the RD-180 (the first stage of the Atlas-III / V PH) and the upgraded NK-33 (the first stage of the Antares RV). This is not an argument in favor of NASA's technological powerlessness. This is a business.

Photo Gallery:


Start 130-meter RN "Saturn V"



Soviet lunar spacesuit "Krechet"





Boarding cabin



Samples of lunar soil, delivered by the Apollo-11 expedition, Moscow, Exhibition of the Exhibition of Economic Achievements



Moonstone Storehouse



Camera of the automatic station "Serveyor-3", delivered to Earth by the Apollo-12 expedition (the module was sent in 400 meters from the site of the "Surveyor")


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  1. 0
    5 January 2016 21: 20
    were - were not - well, what's the difference.
    But what’s interesting is that someone is still lying!
    So who - the Americans or the Chinese? In any case, the brown photographs of the lunar surface taken by the Jade Hare are more attractive to me. Maybe at the insistent request of the Amers (backed up by something serious), in order not to completely burn them down, the Chinese declared that their hare had died?
  2. +1
    5 January 2016 21: 44
    I found interesting conclusions at http://andrew-vk.narod.ru/public/Apollo_FCS/fcs.html
    Let us summarize the identified features related to NASA technologies that ensure the functioning of astronauts in space.
    1. At the very beginning, tragic incidents were mentioned that took place in the USSR and the USA during experiments with a person's stay in an atmosphere of pure oxygen. In the USSR, the death of cosmonaut Valentin Bondarenko was due to the fact that a cotton wool moistened with alcohol broke out, causing an instant fire in the pressure chamber. The crew of the Apollo-1 burned in a similar situation, but there were no burning objects - apparently, there was quite a small spark. But nothing of the kind happened in the missions of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, accompanied by the flying of urine and feces balls in the oxygen atmosphere of the spacecraft, which led to short circuits, but, strangely enough, did not cause fires.
    2. Flying feces in the missions listed in paragraph 1 invariably caused jokes and amusement among crew members - these stories were relished by the press. And in the same situation, the shuttle crews were sad - they even refused to eat so as not to have to deal with fecal popcorn. On the contrary, astronauts on lunar missions did not complain of appetite, and some gained weight.
    3. The fecal popcorn of the space shuttles caused the crew members to grow in the mouth of Escherichia coli, which exactly repeated the similar phenomenon on the submarines during emergencies with leaking sewage. NASA is silent about similar cases before the shuttle era, although there is no lack of information about flying feces.
    4. Technological rollback of the shuttles: “But the toilet for the Space Shuttle turned out to be an engineering embarrassment. The original idea was wonderful - let’s make a toilet in which air flows will themselves place feces into the receiving device without the participation of an astronaut. However, it was not possible to achieve reliable operation - feces constantly touched the walls of the tunnel, and the astronauts had to constantly clean it. The fecal packaging system did not work reliably enough, the toilet broke down quite regularly. Also, special training was required to use the toilet... Urine leaks and flying feces were not that uncommon "
  3. +2
    5 January 2016 21: 45
    These points clearly and convincingly show that the real era of NASA manned flights began with the appearance of space shuttles, and before that all flights, including those to the Moon, were simply mystified. For the first time, NASA’s ACS was tried on the shuttles, but due to the lack of experience in creating them, the design was unsuccessful. Funny stories about astronauts' toilet problems only reflect the ideas of the directors and scriptwriters of these shows about the leading edge of the space struggle: it was difficult, sometimes difficult and unbearable, smeared with feces - it doesn't happen to anyone, but in general it was fun and spiritually uplifting. Moreover, humor is typically American: anal-fecal. How can a show do without him ?!
    But the showmen had no idea about the degree of influence of manned space flights on the human body, so their shows do not talk about the most severe consequences, because there were no flights themselves! Even in the beloved anal-fecal theme, the writers missed some important details. For example, that the physiology of a large need is always accompanied by a small one, i.e. It is impossible to simply relieve a major need in a bag - liquid waste will also be released involuntarily. Those. you need to put on a urine bag, but with it you won’t be able to not only stick a bag to your buttocks, but also empty your bowels, because the straps of the urine bag cover the anus. Moreover, the adhesion of the adhesive tape to sweaty, hairy buttocks is extremely weak, and the bag is almost impossible to secure.
    Thus, the entire procedure must include complete undressing, then the astronaut must somehow attach a hygiene bag to the fifth point, which, of course, will fly away with the sudden and natural release of gases, and then put a container on the penis to collect liquid waste, showing the world a cartoonish crown NASA engineering. Why not a plot for a burlesque production?..
    1. -2
      6 January 2016 20: 36
      And you studied this - http://www.testpilot.ru/espace/bibl/raketostr3/obl.html
      1. 0
        6 January 2016 23: 41
        >And you studied this - http://www.testpilot.ru/espace/bibl/raketostr3/obl.html

        From G.G. Ivchenkov’s review of A. Velurov’s article “The Great Carburetor”

        http://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st75.htm

        “It should be additionally noted that the data on the F-1, collected by A. Velurov bit by bit from various American sources, is extremely contradictory and incomplete (there are many examples of this) and, as an analysis of available American materials shows, you can't trust them."

        There is data on Ivchenkov in the link - a rocket engine specialist. So - did Shumeiko have special sources of information from the engine documentation package?
        1. -3
          7 January 2016 11: 09
          This has already been checked and calculated - technically everything is true - and to claim that the F 1 engine is not real is at least stupid.
          1. +1
            7 January 2016 21: 36
            >This has already been checked and calculated - technically everything is true - and to claim that the F 1 engine is not real is at least stupid.

            I provided the link here:
            http://topwar.ru/page,1,3,88835-ochevidnye-veschi-o-lunnoy-afere.html#5426603


            it clearly says that there is no clarity with the mathematical model of the engine
  4. 0
    5 January 2016 21: 46
    Cosmonaut Leonov is the same mercenary of false American propaganda, I don’t believe him. Just like the Americans who visited the Moon. And even if they did, what did it give to humanity other than the dominance of the worthless dollar, for which the home-grown generals of the comments of this site are tearing their throats?
  5. 0
    5 January 2016 21: 48
    Here the generals are mainly those who really praise everything American. And they falsely praise everything Russian.
  6. 0
    5 January 2016 22: 16
    The United States has arrogated to itself the exclusive right to let the whole world know that they were on the moon
  7. -3
    5 January 2016 22: 37
    As always, the style and presentation of material from Kaptsov kills. Billions of spectators, the most powerful rockets in the history of mankind and other epithets - so that the reader immediately understands that the greatest nation in the galaxy is the Americans. And comparisons with the Yak-38 are absolutely enchanting.
    And most importantly, the meaning of the article is zero. The specialists already know that they flew. For ordinary people with a thirst for conspiracy theories and other fans of all sorts of Katyuschiki, no arguments will convince them.
    Anyone who is sincerely interested in the topic and wants to understand the details should not read such articles, but type the necessary words into Google. And for example, you will get this work:
    http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/66469/Shuneiiko_-_Pilotiruemye_polety_n
    a_Lunu.html
    Published in the 70s in the USSR with the stamp “For official use” in a very small edition. Well, really, why would they publish such technical books on an allegedly non-existent flight in the USSR?
    1. +4
      6 January 2016 06: 12
      The work is interesting, but only the author tells how the flight COULD take place and thinks out everything for the Americans and ours, which is called theoretically and in hindsight, and talks about the very possibility of such flights, which no one doubts. But he does not give any answers to the questions Americans, if only the Americans wrote a book on the questions asked of them and provided EVIDENCE of their flights....
      1. 0
        6 January 2016 08: 49
        Quote: barbiturate
        The work is interesting, but only the author tells how the flight COULD take place and thinks out everything for the Americans and ours

        Section 4.3. Read more carefully. And keep in mind that this is a technical book for specialists in rocket science, and not a propaganda booklet; the task here is not to invent anything. The task is to tell your friends about HOW they did it in order to gain benefit, knowledge and experience.
        1. +3
          6 January 2016 12: 05
          Do you find anything strange? Who told the author HOW the Americans did it? Did they tell him themselves? Oh, how interesting, but the author apparently carried out the CALCULATIONS, as it COULD HAVE BEEN, himself, or the Americans gave him their calculations. So, calculations are only half the problem. Have you ever developed anything? It’s only smooth on paper, but dig deep and so many things come out...
          Therefore, what problems, mathematically and purely theoretically, can you prove as much as with practical implementation? There are books with calculations on how to fly to Mars, purely technical ones, so what? Did the flight take place? Nothing like that, they’ll start developing it and you know how many will come out, they’ll write a hundred more books))
          1. -2
            6 January 2016 16: 38
            Quote: barbiturate
            Do you find anything strange? Who told the author HOW the Americans did it?
            I don't even know how to react to this. Sources of the sea. Including means of objective control in the form of CFC and EIP on the territory of the USSR.
            Quote: barbiturate
            So, calculations are only half the problem. Have you ever developed anything?

            I am an engineer and work in my specialty.
            Quote: barbiturate
            Therefore, what problems, mathematically and purely theoretically, can you prove as much as with practical implementation?

            If the American flight had been fake, the USSR would have been the first to report it. In the conditions of the Cold War, such splashes of opponents are not allowed to pass through. But the USSR did not dispute the fact of the flight and landing. To control this flight at all stages, the USSR had all the necessary means, including a fleet of measuring ships and an extensive network of observatories, and military control and monitoring equipment.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 20: 55
              Quote: Alex_59
              I don't even know how to react to this. Sources of the sea.


              You cited the author’s book, in the conclusion it says that it was written before the Apollo 16 expedition, i.e. even BEFORE the end of the lunar program, and ours supposedly already know everything in detail. The person below even gave a list of books that the author of the “secret” work refers to laughing All works are OPEN!!! and further ATTENTION - AMERICAN PRINT laughing That is, the author simply pulled out American stories, supported them with his knowledge and data (our scientists can do theoretical calculations no worse than the Americans). That’s all the “secret” “for official use” work. Reminds me of the proud stories of Leonov, who was allowed to see a picture that the whole world saw, but he shouts that he saw the landing almost personally at a secret facility on TV!! laughing

              Quote: Alex_59
              If the American flight had been fake, the USSR would have been the first to report it. In the conditions of the Cold War, such splashes of opponents are not allowed to pass through. But the USSR did not dispute the fact of the flight and landing.


              There are many versions of why, and this is a separate big topic, BUT! if you read people who “doubt” about flight (not necessarily Mukhin or some other domestic conspiracy theorist smile .

              Quote: Alex_59
              To control this flight at all stages, the USSR had all the necessary means, including a fleet of measuring ships and an extensive network of observatories, and military control and monitoring equipment.

              Here you are again wrong smile Take a thorough look at this question and you will be surprised. There is a good article by E. Molotov published in 2005; before that, NOBODY had described HOW our people allegedly monitored flights. Brief conclusions: At the end of 1967 there was nothing to monitor at all; in a year only one was created in Crimea!! a signal receiving point that could receive something for a SMALL part of the day!! The fact of leaving the Earth's orbit to the Moon was NOT RECORDED; the ships were NOT OBSERVED ON THE Earth-Moon ROUTE! The movement parameters and telemetry of the Soviet ships were not allowed by the American ones at Cape Canaveral, so the ships were NOT OBSERVED even in EARTH ORBIT
    2. +3
      6 January 2016 13: 44
      I looked. Here is a list of references in the sources of this secret essay.
      1. Reese DR Ground testing the Apollo vehicle. Control Eng., 1969,16, No. 5. RZh, 1969, 11.41.77
      2. Dessaucy J. Apollo-10 repetition .generale du debarquement sur la Lune. Aviat. et astronaut., 1969, No. 6, EI AiR, 1969, No. 38; RJ, 1969, 11.41.61
      3. Gapcynski JP, Blackshear W. T„ Compton N. R. Luar gravitational field as determined from Lunar Orbiter tracking data, AIAA Journal, 1969, 7, No. 10, (EI AiR, 1970, No. 19)
      4. Michelson I. Lunar mascon effects on orbits of Apollo type spacecraft. J. Spacecraft and Rockets, 1970, 7, No. 1, (EI AiR, 1970, No. 32)
      5. Sanders RE, Vincent JP, Maples N. E. Engineering and operational experiences related to lunar—surface thermal—vacuum qualification of the Apollo extravehicular mobility unit. AIAA Paper No. 69–992, EI A&R, 1970, No. 9; RZh, 1970, 4.41.152
      6. Dugge R. M., Callihan J. C. Rendezvous navigation for the Apollo-7 mission. AIAA Paper No. 68—1007, EI AiR, 1969, No. 25; RZh, 1969, 6.41.216
      7. Diamant LS Space rendezvous. Space/Aeronaut., 1969, 52, No. 3, EI AiR, 1970, No. 24; RJ, 1970, 5.41.94
      8. Bennett F. Lunar descent and ascent trajectories. AIAA Paper No. 70-25 EI A&R, 1970, No. 31
      9. Space suits for project Apollo. Space World, 1970, No. G-7, EI AiR, 1970, No. 45; RZh, 1971, 1.41.258
      10. Apollo-6 unmanned mission. Aviat. Week and Space Technol., 1968, 88, No. 5; 7; 15; 16; 18; (EIAiR, 1968, No. 34); RZh, 1968, 9.41.36—9.41.39, RZh
      11. Apollo-7 manned mission. Aviat. Week and Space Technol., 1968, 88, No. No. 26; 24; 23; 89, no. 6, 7; Flight Internal, 1968, 94, nos. 3098; 3100; 3101; EI AiR, 1969, No. 1; RZh, 1969, 2.41.37—2.41.54; RZh, 1969, 5.41.22—5.41.52
      12. The first manned Apollo flight. Flight Internal 1968, 94, No. 3110, EI, : AiR, 1969, No. 14; RJ, 1969, 5.41.35
      13. Apollo-8 to orbit Moon. Flight Internal. 1968, 94, No. 3115, EI AiR, 1969, No. 4; RZh, 1969, 7.41.60—7.41.117
      14. Apollo-9. Aviat. Week and Space Technol. 1969, 90, no. 11; 12; 20; 21;19; Spaceflight, 1969, 11, no. 7; Aerospace Daily, 1969, 36, no. 33; Aviation mag., 1969, no. 519, Space Age News, 1969, 12, no. 8; EI AiR, 1969, No. 20, 48; RZh, 1969, 8.41.31—8.41.43
      15. Apollo 10. Aerospace Daily 1969, 36, no. 40; 1969, 37, no. 1; 16; 17; 22; 28; Aviation Week and Space Technol., 1969, 90, No. 23; 25; 26; 24; 22; Interavia Air Letter, 1969, No. 6745; 6747; 6751; 6758; 6760; 6763, EI AiR, 1969, No. 30; EI AiR, 1970, No. 8; RZh, 1969, 10.41.62—10.41.77
      16. Apollo 8. Apollo-9. Apollo 10. Weltraumfahrt, 1969, 20, no. 1-2; (EI AiR, 1969, No. 38)
      and so on. What does this prove?
    3. +1
      6 January 2016 23: 47
      >http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/66469/Shuneiiko_-_Pilotiruemye_pole

      ty_na_Lunu.html



      From G.G. Ivchenkov’s review of A. Velurov’s article “The Great Carburetor”

      http://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st75.htm

      “It should be additionally noted that the data on the F-1, collected by A. Velurov bit by bit from various American sources, is extremely contradictory and incomplete (there are many examples of this) and, as an analysis of available American materials shows, you can't trust them."

      There is data on Ivchenkov in the link - a rocket engine specialist. So - did Shumeiko have special sources of information from the package of documentation on the engine or, through the efforts of the Politburo, did he have an engine that visited the Moon? The fact is that all the engines were different, those that in museums may well turn out to be unsuitable for real work, it is useless to take information from them, here is an article in English from the amers themselves, who began using various modern 3D scanners to take all dimensions from one of such engines in the museum.

      http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/how-nasa-brought-the-monstrous-f-1-moon-r
      ocket-back-to-life /


      PS. I'm tired of answering the same thing over and over again
  8. +2
    5 January 2016 22: 39
    It is obvious to me that the Americans were on the moon. Indirect confirmation of this is our lunar programs. I think I even saw a piece of lunar soil in the cosmonautics museum. There was a time of scientific and technological progress and money poured into pure science. Now, in the days of the “innovation model,” you will be asked a thousand times about the economic effect before giving money. pragmatism and business, but science is no longer there (previously, research institutes were everywhere). Now it is difficult to believe in such grandiose projects.

    Americans know how to work, they have good designers, scientists, etc. It is stupid to underestimate them.

    Regarding the loss of technology, I readily believe it. Of course, design and technical documentation have been preserved, but only for the industrial base of half a century ago, and even for pilot production. Now everything has progressed so far that the TD can be immediately thrown away (now it’s easier to buy a processing center than a universal commercial machine). Well, according to design documentation, now designers work with models, so it’s easier for them to develop a new node than to redraw an old one. So it turns out that the new rocket will be cheaper, better and faster, but “the technology has been lost.”
    How long has it been since you last saw a drawing board? The current graduate found it difficult to answer what it was. I once saw a picture at a factory near Moscow - young specialists came to get a job. And the old rotary telephone - how they looked at it! They tried to find the buttons in the disk!
    1. +1
      5 January 2016 22: 59
      Quote: Lexus
      Regarding the loss of technology, I readily believe it.

      The point, first of all, is not the loss of technology, but the fact that no one needs technologies from half a century ago. Why reproduce technology with less efficiency than today? The same F-1 engine, for example, has an impulse of 263, and an RD-180 - 311. Well, why do we need an F-1 today? If we really need a single-chamber giant with a thrust of 700 tons, it will be made from scratch and the efficiency will be even higher than that of the RD-90 created in the 180s.
      1. +4
        6 January 2016 06: 34
        It is the loss of technology! Nobody says, let's produce F-1 now, but where is the development, where are the kids of this engine? To create a SINGLE CHAMBER engine with SUCH characteristics at that time...
        Quote: Alex_59
        If we really need a single-chamber giant with a thrust of 700 tons, it will be made from scratch and the efficiency will be even higher than that of the RD-90 created in the 180s.

        Do you seriously believe this? What will the Americans WANT and BE ABLE to create a SINGLE CHAMBER engine (which is a technical regression) with a GREATER thrust than the mythical F-1? laughing Yes, they are NOW (after 50!!! years) buying our engine from the Soviet Lunar Program - NK-33 (single-chamber)!! This is their level of development of oxygen kerosene engines, not to mention the RD-180... They will need them too... they will buy old Soviet engines, this is the level of development (at the same time I do not deny the successes of the Americans with solid fuel boosters and everything else, but at The moon was “lifted” by Saturn 5 precisely by an oxygen-kerosene single-chamber engine, where is it?
        I'm not even talking about the design of its construction and the materials used in it; specialists have long since gone through a bunch of formulas and made a verdict: "either the skis don't work or I'm..."
        1. -7
          6 January 2016 08: 38
          Quote: barbiturate
          Nobody says, let's produce F-1 now, but where is the development, where are the kids of this engine?

          Space is a business. Do you have any application problems for the development of the F-1 engine? Can you make money from this? These are the first questions to start with. Today there are no tasks that the RD-180, which is economical, efficient, and cheap, cannot cope with. So why create something else if you can buy something ready-made from the Russians? The F-1 is an engine from an era when space has not yet become a business, so its monstrosity is something irrational from the point of view of applied astronautics. It is no longer needed for anything. So he has no children.
          1. +7
            6 January 2016 11: 19
            Quote: Alex_59
            Space is a business.

            When the F-1 engine and the program of flights to the Moon were created, there was nothing from business there at all, as now, for example, with probe flights to other planets, so space is not only a business, like any FUNDAMENTAL research, it may not bring money .

            Quote: Alex_59
            Do you have any application problems for the development of the F-1 engine? Can you make money from this? These are the first questions to start with.

            There are a lot of tasks, take an interest in the importance and need for the development of super-heavy carriers, take an interest in American and our projects in this regard, man’s dreams of Mars, for example, and what he will fly there on, how orbital astronautics will benefit, etc.

            Quote: Alex_59
            Today there are no tasks that the RD-180, which is economical, efficient, and cheap, cannot cope with.

            Right! Because they are REAL and very perfect! How did this happen? It’s very simple, at first there were less advanced engines, now these are technical progress! In the case of the American...Otherwise you would write, why do Americans need our RD-180s if they have long-proven and reliable modifications of the old F-1, some kind of F-3F (for example). But they have NOTHING, just a museum.
            Quote: Alex_59
            The F-1 is an engine from an era when space has not yet become a business, so its monstrosity is something irrational from the point of view of applied astronautics. It is no longer needed for anything. So he has no children.


            Do you want to say that you created a unique engine and carrier, and then thought, why the hell did you forget how to do it all?) And now they are re-designing super-heavy carriers and buying engines from enemies))
            By the way, the Space Shuttle, with a stretch of course, can also be called a super-heavy carrier
        2. -5
          6 January 2016 10: 28
          If you think the F 1 is mythical, then this RS 25 liquid rocket engine is also mythical and drawn -
          1. +3
            6 January 2016 11: 21
            Well, I recognize the argumentation of the defenders, since you don’t believe in the Americans’ bullshit without any evidence, that means you don’t believe in Gagarin’s flight and in other, third)) If only without specific polemics))
            1. Erg
              +3
              6 January 2016 14: 26
              Iron logic! good Gagarin's entire flight was filmed and documented. The only mistake was that they forgot to finish filming the video at Mosfilm. wassat
            2. -5
              6 January 2016 20: 20
              For me, one hundred percent proof of the landing on the Moon is the enormous work of engineers and scientists to create lunar machines and devices, not only in the USA, but also in the USSR - this is an achievement of mankind, and as for Gagarin - don’t worry - the time will come for various “Mukhins” switch from the “Moon Scam” to a new “masterpiece” in which the main figure will be Gagarin, his first flight into space - they will expect the same success in this area as with the Moon Scam - the work of the “kiselniks” to infuse the brains of the world community “ of their truths" continues.
              1. 0
                6 January 2016 20: 59
                That is, you don’t need proof, people worked, so everything was clear.
                Well, this won’t work with Gagarin, guess why?) What is the MAIN EVIDENCE of something? Think, although you have been weaned from thinking
            3. -3
              6 January 2016 20: 33
              I advise you to read it - a very interesting technical description http://www.testpilot.ru/espace/bibl/raketostr3/obl.html
              1. +2
                7 January 2016 06: 47
                This is popular technical literature, nothing more. It describes what we know or assume on Earth even without any flights. It is ridiculous to teach techies using this book; any textbook on engine building, automation and control systems, ballistics or strength of materials (for example) is many times more serious and scientific than this book, especially since all of it (this book) is drawn from materials from the open US press. It would be more correct to call this book - This is how in the USA they look at how a flight to the Moon could be carried out laughing
  9. -1
    5 January 2016 22: 51
    Quote: Koshak
    "Dear editor!
    Maybe it's better about the reactor,
    About your favorite lunar tractor?..."
    Really, better materials about the Soviet/Russian space program,
    what are these revelations?

    Deleted scene from the film The Martian 2015. bully
  10. -4
    5 January 2016 23: 11
    Why was the article downvoted? Explanatory article.
    There was a landing. In a previous article on VO, the topic of Hollywood was discussed - indeed, it was partially filmed in Hollywood - but some moments of the landing were filmed, to logically complement the film of the landing itself.

    For those who don't believe, read here:
    http://www.ufo.obninsk.ru/moon12.htm
  11. +9
    6 January 2016 00: 11
    The Saturn production technology is irretrievably lost, as is the technology for producing damask steel. And this is never a joke. With six million parts, it is the most complex system ever created by man. Despite the surviving drawings and even samples of engines, no one now remembers in what order it was all assembled and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements. (end of quote)

    I cried!!! I cried!!! Apparently, the author does not know such a thing as a technical process and an assembly drawing. I am a design engineer. and the author wants me to believe that the top-secret developments of American engineers were not taken into account or registered anywhere?
    Klava - I'm covering!
  12. -1
    6 January 2016 00: 22
    I may also be weak and stupid..., but I liked the article. Even at that time, the USSR had the opportunity to bring the United States to clean water. But everyone admitted it. And now, as they say after a fight, they don’t wave their fists. (And after...... they don’t compare their pussies)
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 11: 57
      the opportunity to bring the United States to clean water was exchanged for various goodies from the Americans. Just after this, a warming began in relations, Détente, many agreements on mutual security, the end of the Vietnam War, gas through pipes to Europe, investments in the Union, such as Kamaz, and so on. According to these behind-the-scenes agreements, our lunar program was also curtailed. Was it betrayal or necessity? Probably a betrayal, our leadership was already rotten, and then the Union completely collapsed.
  13. +8
    6 January 2016 00: 37
    I have always been embarrassed by the extremely low probability of a successful flight to the Moon, much less landing. The crews are literally suicide bombers. The fuel supply (reserve) for launch from the Moon and docking with the ship, which continued to orbit the Moon, is literally a few seconds. Hit a ship with this lunar module, which, on the first space mission, is cutting circles around the satellite, and the cosmic speed is approximately 1.5 km/sec! Computers - calculators are more powerful now. There is practically no automatic start. How did they get into their ship? A second delay at the start, a hitch in gaining thrust by the engine, which “accelerates” at reduced gravity in a vacuum, and the lunar module will miss the spacecraft. No options to catch up. And this was done more than once! Kamikaze is a kindergarten, a junior group compared to these guys.
    And after such feats, the fantastic medium is thrown into the trash. And they start a new shuttle program, which in the end can be considered a failure. Big things can be seen from a distance. Having such a carrier, the Americans could simply “force” the entire space with heavy platforms, orbital stations, etc. But they didn’t do this. Although they cannot be accused of lack of pragmatism.
    Personally, I decided that the Americans were pushing the program with all their might, but to be on the safe side they were preparing a hoax. And when our N-1, for unknown reasons, exploded at the start (precisely because there were no engines of the required thrust, and many engines created an “ejector effect” that destroyed the bottom of the fuel tank) and they launched a prepared hoax - the rocket took off and the ship returned - that was all, but the landing on the Moon... Is it really impossible to film this place? The coordinates of the places they visited are known, the flag, the transporter they rode on... And that’s it, no more insinuations.
  14. +2
    6 January 2016 00: 51
    In conclusion. There was no 100% convincing evidence that American astronauts were on the Moon. There is also no 100% convincing evidence that they were not there.
    So, until a new joint international flight to the Moon, everything will remain at the level of adherents of various theories.
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 11: 43
      If lies are presented as evidence, then this proves the opposite. We say that all the evidence of the Americans is false.
  15. 0
    6 January 2016 02: 55
    The article is a minus, the author so directly admires and defends the Americans. but my general opinion is a plus - as Grechko said, we studied everything, the video and all the data, and came to the conclusion that the Americans really were on the moon. Since then, there has been no question for me whether the Yankees were there.
  16. 0
    6 January 2016 03: 29
    the production technology of ..Saturn.. is lost, like the production of damask steel and this is never a joke - after this phrase in the article, there was no desire to analyze it, well, it’s not really .. Saturn.. but Atlantis, in general everything is clear, and these photos with landing modules are the same thing, in a telescope from the ground the photos are clearer, and they also boast that satellites can read a newspaper from space, this is on the ground where the atmosphere and clouds are
  17. 0
    6 January 2016 07: 15
    The astronaut is fat, there is no antenna behind his back
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  18. 0
    6 January 2016 07: 26
    And here is another photo, with an antenna and a thinner astronaut
  19. Erg
    +4
    6 January 2016 10: 03
    The article amused me. Especially "argumentation" wassat Is the author going to stop us from being an idiot?
  20. +2
    6 January 2016 10: 07
    Everything is according to the “unique” recipe of the unforgettable Dr. Gebelss - 90% truth and 10% lies, which distort ALL the truth.
    There is no point in even discussing who benefits from this.
    Minus.
  21. -5
    6 January 2016 12: 19
    Oleg wrote everything correctly. Why they are downvoting is unclear. Or did the Mukha children come running again?
    1. +1
      9 January 2016 15: 20
      Mukhin only voices the opinion of skeptics, and there is a lot of incriminating evidence online with calculations. For example, the material of Saturn engines, some dubious Inconel X-750, means more to me than Mukhin’s simplified conclusions for a wide audience.
  22. 0
    6 January 2016 12: 24
    Okay, the US lied about the Apollo 11 mission. But what about the fact that there were six moon landings??? Why lie six times if once is enough, and each new lie only increases the chance of revealing the deception??
    Next, about the missing film. There was NO lunar videotape on which the actual landing was recorded. There was an ordinary magnetic one, on which the signal broadcast from the Moon was recorded. This was confirmed by the Soviet cosmonauts.
    About a flag fluttering in the wind. Ok, it fluttered in the wind. In the pavilion. From the wind. In the pavilion.
    In the pavilion from the wind, KARL!
    1. +2
      6 January 2016 12: 49
      This is exactly what convinces you! For this, “six pieces” were needed.
  23. +1
    6 January 2016 12: 39
    To listen to you, Gagarin was not in space, and in general we are all being fooled by launching blanks into the stratosphere... laughing
  24. 0
    6 January 2016 13: 43
    Как-то символично. С этим.)))[media=blob:http://www.youtube.com/c1e92b2d-8ce8-495f-92a1-97667d8178e8]
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  26. +6
    6 January 2016 14: 08
    The bottom line is that Kaptsov’s arguments about the flight are not to the Moon:

    1. Visual evidence from eyewitnesses of the noisy launch of a large rocket.
    2. The presence of the Soviet lunar program.
    3. Availability of docking of the Apollo spacecraft with the Soyuz spacecraft.
    4. Successes of Soviet automatic missions.
    5. Landing of the Yak-36 on the deck of the takr.

    Look like that's it. There is also oral evidence from Leonov and Grechko. And also the Politburo. If you look with ordinary vision, not selective and not religious, you can see that the bulk of the evidence comes from the USSR. In the USA, they lost everything they could except the films edited in Hollywood. Many people from the lunar program either died or went crazy. Well, except for Leonov and Grechko.

    IS NOBODY STRANGE THAT MOST OF THE EVIDENCE FOR A FLIGHT TO THE MOON COME FROM THE USSR?

    This is very strange to me and does not add credibility to the American/Soviet version of events.
  27. +5
    6 January 2016 14: 50
    Auto RU!
    I read it completely.
    Thank you!
    But:
    1. I haven’t read Mukhin. Who is this?
    2. Leonov supports the idea of ​​NASA - I respect Leonov, but everyone is wrong...
    3. Photos of landings? So what? What is signed there? "ZDES BILI MI, amerikanskie astronavty" Where is the lander??? where is this moonmobile? stolen???
    4. There are a million versions! Let's start with the banal - Why was Saturn 5 lost??? Was it there? What thousands of contractors??? They are just manufacturers and cogs...NASA still has everything! No other way!
    Further! Saturn is not a fiction - but just an inflated version of what actually flies... But does not lift the required load! ...
    More? You can launch the launch vehicle... chat in Earth’s orbit and lower it... there’s a start, there’s a finish line - people love it!
    You can make it more difficult! Everything is there... Only an automatic machine flew from Earth orbit to the Moon... and the astro (God forgive me) nauts were sitting in orbit... If you think about it - THE MOST COMPLEX, BUT ALSO THE MOST EXCELLENT CRAFT! There is everything...except real people on the moon...

    And so on and so forth!

    I HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT THOUGHT THAT HAS BEEN GIVING ME NO REST FOR MANY YEARS -
    HOW DID IT HAPPEN! FIVE MOON LANDINGS! FIVE !!!
    You understand as many as FIVE flights! and not a single failure, not a single overlay!
    MORE THAN ONE HEAVY FLIGHT! I didn’t strain all available resources, scientific and technical, but how to fly to a neighboring state! they sent five ships once! In the meantime, between the arms race, trillions of dollars were spent not on nuclear weapons, but on 4 unnecessary missions (this is the question - yes, they just wanted to prove that they can... can... and once would be enough... but so, five times in a row... and lit a cigarette at the end =) )

    IMHO: It’s a stupid story - to humiliate the USSR! “We flew as many as 5 times”
    (this is another question for Saturn 5 - “was there a boy” - was he there, and where are the engines, drawings, etc.) Just so you know, but in Star City there are all the spacecraft - for practicing the elimination of incidents “on the ground” and for training...)

    I already wrote in a previous similar article -
    I WOULD BELIEVE IN ONE LANDING! - BUT NOT AT FIVE!!!!
    1. -1
      8 January 2016 13: 23
      Quote: LEX SU
      I haven’t read Mukhin. Who is this?
  28. +2
    6 January 2016 15: 34
    The production technology of Saturn is irretrievably lost, as is the technology for manufacturing damask steel.


    The author is lying. Either out of ignorance or on purpose. The technology for manufacturing damask steel was recreated without any problems at our department of the metallurgical faculty of the Donetsk Polytechnic Institute. I think that similar departments at other institutes did not encounter any significant problems with this either.
  29. +1
    6 January 2016 15: 46
    Quote: sssla
    Quote: Baikal
    At the indicated moment - some epic disgrace

    You are welcome !
    They constantly told us that the flag was flapping or waving and constantly showing this image and the video showed it. And they proved that it was wobbling (swaying) because the astronauts themselves were touching it! But we are Soviet schoolchildren))) And I found this video) I don’t need more evidence !!
    How can they not excuse that excuses that a lot of frames were lost and had to be finished in the pavilion !! hi

    You didn’t study well in Soviet school if you forgot about harmonic oscillations, which in the absence of an atmosphere can be very long-lasting (especially when they are given an impulse by ground shaking from an astronaut running past)
    As for the fact that the episode was supposedly filmed in a pavilion, and the flag flutters in the wind, I have a question: where did the wind in the pavilion come from?)
    1. -2
      8 January 2016 13: 26
      Quote: Logos
      You didn’t study well in Soviet school, since you forgot about harmonic oscillations,

      Do you see how many minuses the “Mukhin scientists” have given you? smile Give them free rein - you will be sent to the stake with harmonic vibrations, for this is heresy! They saw vibrations only in the glass, from a trembling hand! laughing
      1. 0
        9 January 2016 15: 23
        Mukhin only voices the opinion of skeptics, and there is a lot of incriminating evidence online with calculations. For example, the material of Saturn engines, some dubious Inconel X-750, means more to me than Mukhin’s simplified conclusions for a wide audience.
  30. +1
    6 January 2016 16: 23
    Quote: Vadim237
    If you think the F 1 is mythical, then this RS 25 liquid rocket engine is also mythical and drawn -


    hmm... is it too difficult to post a photo of F1???
    What does this have to do with ANOTHER engine, with different performance characteristics???
    1. 0
      6 January 2016 20: 22
      Photo F 1 has already been posted above.
    2. -1
      6 January 2016 20: 34
      And I advise you to read it - it’s interesting http://www.testpilot.ru/espace/bibl/raketostr3/obl.html
    3. -1
      8 January 2016 13: 30
      Quote: LEX SU
      hmm... is it too difficult to post a photo of F1???
    4. -1
      8 January 2016 13: 31
      Quote: LEX SU
      Is it hard to post a photo of F1???
  31. 0
    6 January 2016 16: 34
    It is the technical part that is always raised in doubt, which is clearly a fiction, but it is very rarely discussed how people crossed, TWICE!!!, the earth’s radiation belt and at the same time not only remained alive, but also lived to old age!
  32. 0
    6 January 2016 16: 56
    Almost like in the movie "Carnival Night".
    Whether there is life on Mars or whether there is no life on Mars is unknown to science. Science is still not up to date... A-ha-ha-ha...
    Whether Americans were on the Moon or whether Americans were not on the Moon is unknown to science.
  33. -1
    6 January 2016 17: 59
    Let me remind you of one well-known fact! On March 8, the “drivers” driving one of the Soviet Lunokhods (I don’t remember exactly which one) “twisted” the lunar rover’s track to EIGHT as a gift to women! Which ANY SOVIET SCHOOLCHILD could see using a household telescope!!! I understand that not every Soviet schoolchild...but EVEN THEN it could be seen not in an observatory, but with a rather primitive optical instrument! BUT EVEN now no one sees either the rover or the landing module (to hell with that flag) of ALL SIX EXPEDITIONS! How is that???
    1. -1
      8 January 2016 13: 42
      Quote: LEX SU
      Let me remind you of one well-known fact!

      Well, let's take a photo of this "well-known fact" smile You have strange ideas about the size of the Moon and the distance to it, and you don’t even know how much the lunar rover has covered there! If it were possible to see this smile , then there would be no controversy about American flights!
      On March 8, 1971, the crew of Lunokhod 1 drew a figure eight on the surface of the Moon with two simple turns on the spot. Beautifully framed photographs of the “eight” were presented to female colleagues at the end of the working day with the signatures of desperate guys. Having learned about the photo, the leadership of the department and the state commission scolded the crew for their self-will, and asked for photos for their wives.
      The driver of the lunar rover, V. Dovgan, was the leader of the party group of the crew. The XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU was supposed to open at the end of March. V. Dovgan came up with the idea to celebrate this important event by drawing the Roman numeral XXIV on the ground of the Moon. fool He turned to Boris Nepoklonov, head of the operational scientific group of the USSR Academy of Sciences. He was engaged in the most important work - navigation on the surface of the Moon and worked with navigators, plotting routes. The route was laid out, but after “XX” they stopped at “I” because with traces of Lunokhod’s approach/departure to the inscription “the ending didn’t work out very well,” so they didn’t take pictures of the panorama - so that the embarrassment that had occurred would not become known. On the morning of March 8, the fourth lunar day began. At 3 a.m. Moscow time, the solar panel was opened. At 23.30 the movement of the Lunokhod began and ended on March 9 at 1:39. Before the session, the crew decided to congratulate their female colleagues on the holiday. The idea and its solution were born spontaneously. The figure eight was done simply - we turned 360 degrees on the spot, moved to the side so that the left side was on the trail and made another turn on the spot. The figure eight turned out to be 4 meters. The width of the Lunokhod is just over 2 meters. The wheel is 23 cm wide.
  34. -1
    6 January 2016 18: 05
    The flight of staff members to the Moon with landing was a secret of the 21th century and remains so in the XNUMXst century. They didn’t give a damn, let them remain a secret until they declassify, no one will know the truth. And even after declassifying the questions, I feel it will remain with the same LV "Saturn" dimensions!!!
  35. 0
    6 January 2016 19: 32
    Personal, philistine opinion: having take-off technology, having received an assignment for a national project (we’ll catch up and overtake), the SHA decided, rather than rush, it would be better to do launches, walk through space, but so as not to lose, God forbid, pilots (what a political disaster that would be) was in case of an accident) it’s easier to do the installation AND complete the task AND maintain the status AND collect the money. And hardly anyone will dare to give up their national pride yet.
    PySy. All right, when we arrive there, it will immediately become clear, but by then it’s either a donkey or a padishah
  36. -6
    6 January 2016 20: 07
    Lord! For once I saw a normal article on this site.
    There is just a sea of ​​facts. But that’s not enough for the obscurantists. Yes, and it’s useless to explain.
    By the way, there is even less evidence that Gagarin was in space. Here is the topic for another conspiracy against the truth. ))
  37. -2
    6 January 2016 20: 39
    How much are they arguing already? And to me, it’s completely purple whether they flew to the moon or not. And these people are trying to prove something on both sides.
  38. +3
    6 January 2016 21: 26
    I read almost all the comments. And that's it.
    Almost no one mentioned such important characteristics of Apollo as impulse, deltaV, TWR.

    Traction at the start, nonsense. Build a big rocket and throw into orbit the simplest thing possible. only 10 delta. 000 delta for the first space, 7800-700 gravitational losses, 900-600 atmospheric losses, 700-300 taxiing losses. Hurray we are in orbit.
    Then you need to make a transfer to the moon - 3260 delta ideally, realistically, taking into account that the plane of the orbit of the lunar ship and the moon itself could hardly coincide, but can be quite close, then somewhere around 3400.
    Then entering lunar orbit/braking - 700 delta. then landing. Everyone is making a mistake here. Every single commentator. Landing on the moon requires more delta than taking off. Due to large taxiing losses, and the safest possible landing. By eye, 1800-2000 deltas. Taking into account that Amstrong was steering something there manually(???!!!). Then entry into orbit - 1730 deltas, docking (????????????) with the orbital module, where there will also be losses, then 700 to leave the lunar orbit. Look like that's it. All that remains is to fall from a height of 400 thousand km to the ground. in our case, it will not burn up in the atmosphere at a speed of about 11 km/s. Even at 8 km/s, the descent of manned vehicles is not always successful, and the Colombian disaster in 2003 is a fact of this. But it’s already 2003, not 1969. And to create a three-stage, modular spacecraft with a delta of 18 is heroism in itself. Let me remind you - the heaviest launch vehicle of the 000st century: proton-m. to enter geostationary orbits, the spacecraft requires 21-13500 delta. That is, in order to launch a small satellite into geo-orbit, you need to launch the heaviest launch vehicle on the planet.
    Further on in the article, the author is not at all in the subject of astronautics. Not a single leg. Some commentators have one foot in the topic, admitting that landing is the most difficult. But there are still problems with undocking, and much more important than re-docking. And a huge mass of seemingly everyday problems. like not letting go of one leg, for example. or some kind of constipation has jammed. and simply life support systems. Apollos also successfully killed/burned astronauts on earth.
    Flying to the moon is not a big problem for people. But the problem of returning is squared, if not cubed. For example, an unsuccessful docking with an orbital module. that’s all, and we are forever in lunar orbit. A small fuel leak/error - and we were unable to dock with the orbital module. The USSR understood the complexity and openly abandoned manned flight. With unmanned systems, everything is simpler - well, the robot died, they quietly wrote it off, and sent a new one. Until the lucky one finally returns, about whom everyone will already trumpet.
    In general, I advise everyone who is interested in astronautics to play the KSP simulator. Even the most stubborn and confident that the Americans were on the moon will begin to doubt.
  39. KCA
    0
    6 January 2016 23: 03
    Yes, how much can you chew on the topic, Alexey Leonov definitely said that the Americans flew and landed on the Moon, personally, I am inclined to believe him, and wouldn’t the USSR really try with all its might and means to prove the deception? There were already optical and radio engineering means of control, and sure enough all intelligence tried to find at least one thing that was wrong, but they recognized the veracity of the landing
    1. -2
      7 January 2016 19: 01
      Yes, in the USSR they had already calculated and double-checked the technical characteristics of the F 1 engines, the Saturn 5 rocket, the landing, the lunar module, and all the technical data related to the Lunar program - there was a flight and a landing too.
  40. 0
    6 January 2016 23: 50
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    This question has been raised so many times in recent years that it is impossible to count. ...

    “Only absolutely ignorant people can seriously believe that the Americans have not been on the moon. And, unfortunately, this whole ridiculous epic about frames allegedly fabricated in Hollywood began with the Americans themselves. By the way, the first person who began to spread these rumors, he was imprisoned for libel, "Alexei Leonov noted in this regard.

    Where did the rumors come from?

    “And it all started when, at the celebration of the 80th birthday of the famous American film director Stanley Kubrick, who based his brilliant film “2001 Odyssey” on the book of science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke, journalists who met with Kubrick’s wife asked to talk about her husband’s work on the film in Hollywood studios. And she honestly reported that there are only two real lunar modules on Earth - one in a museum, where no filming has ever been carried out, and it is even forbidden to walk with a camera, and the other is located in Hollywood, where, in order to develop the logic of what is happening on the screen, Additional filming of the American landing on the Moon was carried out,” the Soviet cosmonaut specified.

    more details: http://ria.ru/science/20090720/177908258.html#ixzz3wNla4cAO

    so let everyone decide for themselves whether this is true or not.


    But thank you very much for the above quote from A. Leonov (I hope it’s genuine), since it confirms that Leonov is a BREKHLO!!! Kubrick was born in 1928, that is, his 80th birthday was celebrated in 2008. In the USA in 1977!! the film “Capricorn-1” was shot, the plot of which fits very well with the version (more correctly, legs grow from it) about the falsification of the US lunar program
    1. -2
      7 January 2016 19: 10
      Additional filming of fragments of the landing, for the complete logic of what is happening, does not in any way cancel the reality of the American landing on the Moon.
  41. 0
    7 January 2016 00: 28
    Wait and see! Someone, in the end, will fly to the moon and look. Personally, I want to believe that they flew, although much says otherwise, otherwise you won’t be able to say anything good about humanity, at least about its rulers and “elite.”
  42. +1
    7 January 2016 00: 47
    Quote: Alex_59
    http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/66469/Shuneiiko_-_Pilotiruemye_polety_n
    a_Lunu.html

    Quote: Alex_59
    Quote: barbiturate
    The work is interesting, but only the author tells how the flight COULD take place and thinks out everything for the Americans and ours

    Section 4.3. Read more carefully. And keep in mind that this is a technical book for specialists in rocket science, and not a propaganda booklet; the task here is not to invent anything. The task is to tell your friends about HOW they did it in order to gain benefit, knowledge and experience.

    I agree, the book is not a propaganda booklet. I skimmed through it (I’m so not an expert in the areas mentioned that there was no point in even reading it - I don’t even understand a tenth of it). Yes, the book is technical, or more precisely, popular-technical. I think its value for specialists is zero, since it covers a little bit of everything. What will an engine driver take from it? ballistic? machine gunner? NOTHING. A serious specialist draws knowledge from serious literature in his specialty, where a couple of formulas will not get you off. And in this work, they collected data from distant sources, translated and collected them into a coherent narrative. In principle it is not a crime. Is there any benefit to this? EAT! The AUTHORS especially benefited a lot, IMHO. It's called FEES. (There may also be a bonus in the form of increasing the counter of published works, which again is not a crime). For other people, the benefit is doubtful (by the way, is this because the circulation is clearly not massive).
  43. -1
    7 January 2016 01: 48
    The article is not bad.
    there has been a proliferation of refuting flies lately :)
    1. 0
      9 January 2016 15: 29
      The Americans themselves have much more of them, as much as 20-30%. We’ve also read a lot of Mukhin... by the way, I haven’t read Mukhin’s works in this area at all. wassat
  44. +1
    7 January 2016 08: 16
    Discussions in the “believe it or not believe it” style attract with their emotionality, but, as a rule, do not lead to results.
    And you always want not to believe, but to check. This is probably how a group of enthusiasts was formed whose goal was to create a private satellite of the Moon, the task of which was to take ultra-high-resolution images of the landing sites of both American lunar modules and Soviet automatic stations (and now a Chinese “hare” has been added). To finally close the question “did they fly or didn’t they fly” and lay the foundation for a new scientific discipline - “cosmic archaeology”. wink
    The project attracted attention on the Internet. If you still have an interest in the issue under discussion and have the appropriate opportunities, you can help their project.
    Details are here:
    https://boomstarter.ru/projects/zelenyikot/66579
  45. -3
    7 January 2016 14: 12
    Well done author! All of Russia is shouting: “no falsification of history,” and that’s right. Only with the American lunar program they themselves are trying to engage in this falsification. And even at the level of baby talk. You need to be happy that this was one of the greatest achievements of mankind, after all.
  46. +3
    7 January 2016 19: 05
    Now let's return to the engines of the Saturn V rocket, the notorious F 1. THE WORLD'S ONLY single-chamber engine with such thrust. For the uninitiated. At certain dimensions of the combustion chamber, detonation phenomena develop in it, leading to high-frequency oscillations of large amplitude and other problems. Our engine engineers have not learned how to deal with these phenomena STILL! Therefore, the RD -170, which has a thrust greater than F 1, is a four-chamber one, and the famous RD -180 is a two-chamber one. And our striped-eared friends, who learned to fight this phenomenon and make super-powerful single-chamber engines, suddenly FORGOT how they did it. I am an engineer myself with extensive experience. But if you ask me what I did 30 years ago, I will remember all the nuances of the work without any documentation. Sorry, I DON'T BELIEVE IT! There was an engine, but in order to avoid detonation, it worked 15 percent weaker, and there was not enough mass “for landing and takeoff.” Well, it just shouldn't have been enough. Therefore, we are waiting for photos - landing stages, rovers and flags - from the Moon. In the meantime, I don’t believe it. By the way, the wait won't be long now.
    1. -3
      7 January 2016 19: 14
      I'm more interested in where our rovers are on the Moon.
  47. 0
    7 January 2016 21: 29
    Quote: alovrov
    5. Landing of the Yak-36 on the deck of the takr.

    When the aircraft carrier "Admiral Yumashev" was in combat in Angola, the Yaks showed themselves to be not very reliable. Due to the specific climate, the engines did not always light up. And one Yak sank.

    Aviation and spacecraft can only be compared indirectly. But it is obvious that if external conditions change, then the result of operation can be disastrous.
    1. -1
      8 January 2016 02: 16
      Who will lead globalization? (Educational TV, Vladimir Zaznobin)

      0:58:22 - did the Americans fly to the moon?

      0:00:33 - Vladimir Solovyov - American entrepreneur
      0:01:33 - three earthly civilizations
      0:04:20 - concept of the West
      0:06:06 - loan interest is the cause of inflation
      0:08:09 - eastern fragmentation
      0:08:50 - ISIS trademark
      0:12:33 - why the United States will not openly fight against Russia
      0:16:20 - who forced Hitler to attack the USSR?
      0:18:38 - how to defeat an idea
      0:20:07 - project state America
      0:32:23 - there is no nation “Turks”
      0:25:10 - survival of the fittest
      0:27:10 - how Trotsky saved Turkey
      0:28:18 - in Eastern countries they don’t know Islam
      0:31:20 - Trotskyists rule the USA
      0:33:03 — the Russian President will choose the US President
      0:34:11 - why do they change the alphabet and writing?
      0:35:18 — Istanbul renounced the prophet
      0:36:30 — The West is fighting against Koranic Islam
      0:37:53 — why did Hitler like Tibet?
      0:40:36 - technosphere for global governance
      0:43:28 - money conquers everything
      0:45:12 - global American culture
      0:46:43 - why is Russia considered the backyard of the West?
      0:48:43 - new technological structure
      0:55:29 - techno-zombies of the future
      0:58:22 - did the Americans fly to the moon?
      1:06:23 - what the war of the future looks like
      1:09:22 — what kind of development does Russian civilization offer?
  48. 0
    8 January 2016 02: 13
    The most shocking hypotheses. How the Americans stole the moon good
    By the way, I also think that the Americans could only send automatic stations, nothing more, even though Von Braun and his team worked for them. In a good way, you must first master the orbit, conduct a bunch of experiments and observations, and only then.... This is from the same opera as they are now planning to fly to Mars. Maybe, first, we should inhabit the Moon and use it as a transit point? All this is illogical... the problem is that people are very gullible and do not want to strain their brains once again. But the more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it Yes
    1. +1
      8 January 2016 02: 35
      As for programs on RenTV and other similar ones, I will say the following. You need to know much more than is shown there in order to be able to distinguish lies from truth, sincere delusion from deliberate distortion. This is better than nothing at all, because they can at least give some clues and simply stir up interest in this topic. Yes
  49. +3
    8 January 2016 08: 42
    Another video "witnesses of American flights to the Moon." Sooner or later, your “eyes will open” to this event.

  50. +1
    8 January 2016 09: 04
    The article mentioned a lost technology for making damask steel... But why did Anosov rediscover this technology back in the last century?
  51. -1
    8 January 2016 09: 41
    And after that come the various “fly”, and talk about shooting in the pavilions of Hollywood. Disgrace.
    In 1993, I had a chance to visit the Museum of Aviation and Space Exploration in Washington, USA, and the guide there told me that in fact, in the pavilion, certain fragments were filmed for a historical film. And indeed, after the release of the film, these showdowns began. And the waving flag is very simple, there is a string around the perimeter and if you touch it, it vibrates slightly.
  52. +1
    8 January 2016 10: 16
    And after that come the various “fly”, and talk about shooting in the pavilions of Hollywood. Disgrace.
    In 1993, I had a chance to visit the Museum of Aviation and Space Exploration in Washington, USA, and the guide there told me that in fact, in the pavilion, certain fragments were filmed for a historical film. And indeed, after the release of the film, these showdowns began. And the waving flag is very simple, there is a string around the perimeter and if you touch it, it vibrates slightly.
  53. -3
    8 January 2016 11: 16
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Another video "witnesses of American flights to the Moon." Sooner or later, your “eyes will open” to this event.
    Watch this movie:

    From the 16th minute to the 24th minute, it talks about the “pure oxygen atmosphere” in the ship, which, after the Apollo 1 disaster, when three astronauts burned alive, was more abundant on subsequent ships It never happened.
    Therefore, all the discussions “about climbers at an altitude of 8000 meters and decompression sickness” are about nothing at all.
    And pay attention to the number of documentary footage filmed yet before landing to the moon.
    And to silence the 400 engineers and technicians who participated in the project - perhaps it would have been much cheaper to fly to the Moon for real.
    wink
    We should not forget that the bulk of the materials (both theirs and ours) were classified as “top secret.”
    In 2019, it will be 50 years since the start of the Apollo flights, which means the materials will be declassified.
    I think we'll learn a lot of interesting things.
  54. +3
    8 January 2016 14: 50
    And then we solemnly hand over such a tin dummy, caught in the Pacific Ocean without any traces of burning or crew, in Murmansk, along with witnesses from the Hungarian side, to American sailors, and at this time the whole world listens to the broadcast of the crew that did not fly from the moon.
  55. +4
    8 January 2016 16: 53
    Well, where to go from the “specialists”?
    And to silence the 400 engineers and technicians who participated in the project - perhaps it would have been much cheaper to fly to the Moon for real.
    We should not forget that the bulk of the materials (both theirs and ours) were classified as “top secret.”

    Like this. In one paragraph, mention the Soviet secrecy of information and the impossibility of forcing a secret to be kept.
    And where did the conclusion about the awareness of 400 thousand people come from? Obviously, so many people took part in the lunar program. And the simple conclusion is drawn that they knew EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING. Yes. They just dumped everything out for them to review!!!
    Whoever wrote THIS apparently does not have the slightest idea about the organization of secret work. The simplest technique is to divide the work into pieces and distribute them among different offices. Then only the collector will know about the purpose of the pieces. There are a lot of methods and ways to hide information... . As a result, the circle of initiates will sharply shrink. I can continue further...
    The risk of being carried away to places not so remote by a long tongue is a real thing. Is it necessary? Today you have a well-paid job, honor, respect, prospects... Well, is it worth losing all this in exchange for logging? But, let’s say, it will be possible even without such extreme measures as felling trees. They'll just kick you out of work. And you won’t find another with such delicacies, especially if you are a specialist with a narrow profile (well, you don’t need ballistics and engine specialists at a confectionery factory!!! And you don’t need them at a chemical plant...).
    And you will remain silent, like a fish in an aquarium...
    But, I admit, a madman was found who decided to divulge everything. Where will you go? to the newspaper? You can also go to the newspaper. It may be published in a small-circulation, provincial trash list, but who will see this publication and pay attention? And in a large newspaper, the editor will probably be warned that it is possible to publish materials on a certain topic only after their agreement with certain offices. And that's it... On television and radio? See above. Go out to investigate the "adversary"!!! What if the “adversary” is in the know and is playing a game? And there was no Internet back then, in case anyone has forgotten...
    Incl. Organizing the silence of tens of thousands of people is not an easy task, but it is quite solvable.
    In 2019, it will be 50 years since the start of the Apollo flights, which means the materials will be declassified.
    Or they will not be declassified. This also happens.
  56. +5
    8 January 2016 21: 49
    I was given minuses for the lunar soil. These are probably adherents of the American way of life and thinking. Maybe they saw real lunar soil somewhere, brighter, cleaner, more beautiful? Or did they still have all four hundred kilos? Have you even seen the lunar module? It was bought in the children's world, and it has nothing to do with astronautics.
  57. +1
    8 January 2016 23: 28
    Quote: tolancop
    Like this. In one paragraph, mention the Soviet secrecy of information and the impossibility of forcing a secret to be kept.
    If you noticed, there are paragraphs there two. At least according to the rules of the Russian language.
    Quote: tolancop
    Whoever wrote THIS apparently does not have the slightest idea about the organization of secret work.
    Where can I go? I only had the first degree for a few years and didn’t have time to study everything in detail. If you understand what I mean. wink
    You seem to have read my text, but you didn’t quite understand the meaning. Works can be classified and people can be forced to subscribe. In fact, this is what they do everywhere. But to force so many people to hide what they have been glueing for ten years cardboard dummiesto bungle on a global scale fake? Are you serious? That is, they don’t have any normal people there at all? And out of almost half a million people, there wasn’t a single one who would say, “I’m an honest person and I don’t want to participate in this vile deception”? Sorry, but here I have to say “I don’t believe it.”
    Quote: tolancop
    But, I admit, a madman was found who decided to divulge everything. Where will you go? to the newspaper?
    Where did Assange and Snowden go? And weren’t there other scandals in the States that were uncovered by ubiquitous journalists? And if there were any real evidence in the world, there would be people to convey it to the general public.
    And one last thing. The technical points that I outlined here are based not so much on media materials, Internet sites and various bloggers, but on the stories of people who actually came into contact with this project, and not now, and in those very years. Including those who climbed inside this command module. Floated, burnt exactly where it should be, scratched and even dented in places. There was such a program then - the exchange of delegations of specialists. And I have no reason not to believe their testimony, since they were taken mainly to Houston, and not to Hollywood. wink
    1. +4
      9 January 2016 21: 43
      Quote: Private
      Quote: tolancop
      Like this. In one paragraph, mention the Soviet secrecy of information and the impossibility of forcing a secret to be kept.
      If you noticed, there are paragraphs there two. At least according to the rules of the Russian language....

      I accept criticism. There are 2 paragraphs.
      Quote: Private
      Quote: tolancop
      Whoever wrote THIS apparently does not have the slightest idea about the organization of secret work.
      Where can I go? I only had the first degree for a few years and didn’t have time to study everything in detail. If you understand what I mean....

      Well then. I fully admit that you had 1 (hmm... well, let it be a degree..) I admit that you were involved in ORGANIZING secret work. I didn’t do these things myself, I didn’t have to somehow. But most likely you didn’t do this either. They simply followed the instructions that SOMEONE wrote (by the way, writing sensible instructions is hard work that requires a lot of experience and knowledge). And this SOMEONE (or his colleague) made sure that, despite your 1st degree, you knew less in the course of your activities and only to the extent that you really needed. And SOMEONE took a bunch of other measures so that as little information as possible could leak out. I admit that SOMEONE is you, but IMHO, the likelihood of this is low...
      Quote: Private
      ...You seem to have read my text, but you didn’t quite understand the meaning. Works can be classified and people can be forced to subscribe. In fact, this is what they do everywhere. But to force so many people to hide what they have been glueing for ten years cardboard dummiesto bungle on a global scale fake? Are you serious? That is, they don’t have any normal people there at all? And out of almost half a million people, there wasn’t a single one who would say, “I’m an honest person and I don’t want to participate in this vile deception”? Excuse me, but here I have to say “I don’t believe it”...
      It looks like you didn't understand me either. I wrote that there is no need to initiate everyone, all 400 thousand people, into the TRUTH, and you are back there again.
      Let me explain my point AGAIN. A certain team (engineers, technologists, workers) received the task and drawings of a dummy of the Lunar Module. And they will honestly rivet it, confident that they are riveting a Dummy. And in the drawings it may be written like that - “Moulage” (layout, model, simulator... etc.). And they will even explain its purpose: “... astronauts need to train on something, not on a real module, I’ll break something else...”. Plausible? Quite. And the people who riveted the dummy will be sure that they are busy with the right thing and are useful in their area and are not participating in any deception. Just an example... Will the engine builder be able to evaluate its parameters? IMHO not every engineer can. So the assembler will conscientiously assemble the engine for the rocket in accordance with the drawings. What kind of deception on his part?
      1. +1
        11 January 2016 05: 59
        Regarding the degree, I will only say one thing - thank God that 15 years have passed a long time ago. Judging by your words, you will understand me.
        And about the “honest” production of dummies, you almost convinced me. Yes, this is possible in principle.
        But it seems to me that it is painfully difficult (in terms of organization). Making real devices is most likely cheaper. smile
  58. +2
    9 January 2016 00: 29
    Yes you are right. I remembered Apollo 13, but forgot about the normal situation. smile
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  60. +1
    9 January 2016 00: 55
    For some reason, the comment was inserted not into the “ladder”, but at the end.
    Correctly like this:
    Quote: Bayonet
    The take-off module, after the astronauts transferred to Apollo, was reset!
    Yes you are right. I remembered Apollo 13, but forgot about the normal situation. smile

    Moderators, please delete the previous similar comment.
  61. +2
    9 January 2016 01: 46
    Six hundred comments!!!

    Oh, how much troubling triangular matters are!!! ☺☺☺
  62. +4
    9 January 2016 10: 15
    “Despite the surviving drawings and even samples of engines, no one now remembers in what order it was all assembled and what materials were used in the manufacture of individual elements.” But this is already a masterpiece!! I'm hysterical wassat
    1. +1
      9 January 2016 10: 49
      Notice how beautifully the shadow falls on the moon!
      1. +1
        11 January 2016 17: 12
        I have a question. HOW? How can a shadow fall like that?
        Red arrows, shadow direction.
        Green arrows, stones that have no shadow at all.
        The yellow line marked the place of retouching where there are no shadows, as such, even from large stones.
        1. +3
          12 January 2016 07: 20
          Try to find the source of this photo on the NASA library website and look in the description of the photo to see what it was taken with. It looks very much like a panoramic camera.
          In street panoramas in Google and Yandex, the shadows also converge.
          1. 0
            13 January 2016 19: 55
            Quote: Private
            Try to find the source of this photo on the NASA library website and look in the description of the photo to see what it was taken with. It looks very much like a panoramic camera.

            How mysteriously the shadow falls in this photo!
            1. +1
              14 January 2016 21: 21
              This is how a shadow can fall.
        2. +2
          12 January 2016 23: 42
          It even gets interesting.
          Why did they give the person a minus???
          He just asked a question.
          And I would like to remind the anonymous downvoter, who, with his -10 points, notes almost every post of mine:

          h) The site is prohibited targeted methodical downgrade opponenti.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be reduced by 50%.

          If you get it, I'll complain.
  63. +1
    9 January 2016 15: 38
    I’ll throw some wood into the fading fire of the holivor.
    It should be additionally noted that the data on the F-1, collected by A. Velurov bit by bit from various American sources, is extremely contradictory and incomplete (there are many examples of this) and, as an analysis of available American materials shows, they cannot be trusted. In particular, we can only guess where, on what section of the combustor and nozzle is this wall thickness of 0,457 mm, and where is this diameter of 25 mm and where is this wall temperature of 524 C? In addition, according to American sources, the diameter of the F-1 tubes changes (tapering), but how and where is not described in the available sources. For N-1 it is known that the tubes change shape from round to elliptical, while for F-1 such information is not available.

    There are many questions about the cooling jacket tube material announced for the F-1 – the nickel alloy Inconel X750. In particular, in the materials devoted to N-1, a very interesting phrase flashed through that initially they wanted to install tubes made of a nickel alloy in N-1, but the sulfur contained in kerosene combined with nickel to form brittle nickel sulphide (nickel ore chalcopyrite ) and the tubes burst. Then, what were the tubes of the F-1 made of, since kerosene is the same, and Inconel X750 is a nickel alloy? In addition, this Inconel X750 has never been used by anyone else as a fire wall material for rocket engines.

    There are a huge number of questions about the F-1 injector head. There, in particular, there is no collision of fuel and oxidizer jets (fuel jets from adjacent nozzles collide with each other, and the same for oxidizer jets) and then the jets fly in parallel, mixing only due to the lateral components of the jet. And this is with a large difference in the speeds of the components, which should cause incomplete combustion and the emission of unburned components into the supersonic part of the nozzle (for example, the residence time of oxygen in the combustor for the axial component of the jet is about 0,027 sec). You can also see that the design of the F-1 head is fundamentally different from the H-1 design, where the collision of the component jets is organized. The design of the F-1 nozzle head contradicts all the principles of mixing components described in Soviet and American textbooks. It turns out that this injector head was fundamentally unable to ensure normal mixing of the components and such an engine could not operate efficiently. A careful analysis of photographs of the F-1 after testing fully confirms this opinion. There is a reasonable assumption that the true F-1 had a different design.
  64. +1
    9 January 2016 21: 44
    More ..
    Quote: Private
    ...And one last thing. The technical points that I outlined here are based not so much on media materials, Internet sites and various bloggers, but on the stories of people who actually came into contact with this project, and not now, and in those very years. Including those who climbed inside this command module. Floated, burnt exactly where it should be, scratched and even dented in places. There was such a program then - the exchange of delegations of specialists. And I have no reason not to believe their testimony, since they were taken mainly to Houston, and not to Hollywood...

    Not funny... I fully admit that you know "people who actually came into contact with this project, and not now, and in those very years. Including those who climbed inside this command module. Flying, burnt exactly where it needed to be.... And these people conscientiously told you what they saw and where... YAY!!! And it doesn’t bother you that they saw what they were SHOWN. Americans. The command module is scratched, dented and smoked in the right places. Bungled specifically for such a display. Evidence from the series “Leonov told...”.

    Doubts about the reality of the American landing on the Moon did not arise out of nowhere. There are too many absurdities that Americans cannot explain. Decades. And the only conclusion that emerges from this inability is that they DID NOT LAND.

    A simple analogy... There is a mug of honey. What is this? Honey!!! They threw a spoonful of Mr.. into the mug. What is this now? Honey with g..n? NO, s...but with honey. and this mixture will not become honey until the excess substance is removed from it. Fully. So is the “disembarkation”. Until there is a logical and plausible explanation for ALL the absurdities and inconsistencies, doubts will remain.
  65. +2
    9 January 2016 22: 35
    Interesting article. And the comments are generally wonderful, some are so abstruse that they are completely incomprehensible. I'm not a fan of delving into details, specifying the location of the 319889 rivet on the body. I am a skeptic, so I can afford to doubt the veracity of this article. And in the veracity of flights.
    Question to the author of the article and his supporters.
    1. Why are systems and technologies developed on Soviet “lunar” projects (Soyuz spacecraft, space suit, Block D upper stage, NK-33 engines still used in modern cosmonautics. But there are no American technologies. Remind What engines does Antares fly with?
    2. Where did the lunar soil brought by the Americans go? Why won't they present it? Forgive me, but I don’t believe that 400 kg would disappear without a trace.. Can you tell me where the soil went?
    3. When launching Skylab, weighing 75 tons, the Americans were unable to install engines that would allow the station to maneuver. If the Saturns, as claimed, easily pulled 140-ton ships of the lunar program into orbit, what prevented the Americans in this case, except for limiting the take-off weight of the station due to insufficient rocket power?

    4. My favorite. Apollo 15 mission. As the Americans themselves reported, during the lunar walk with the module hatch open (in a vacuum), an accident occurred on the ship. The Americans, who returned to the ship 6 hours later, discovered that 10 liters of water had spilled through the filter onto the deck of this module. In a vacuum. Question to the author of the article: are the laws of physics the same for everyone or are they written specifically for Americans??
    1. +1
      9 January 2016 23: 28
      Pomeranian, from the public, like the author of the material, to seek specific answers to “why?” it’s useless... In response to specific questions, they will again blow in the ears: “Yes, they were there... and they had a rocket, and everything was... Leonov told... Yes, we would have known...." and so on and so on and so forth...

      And someone will still convince that “it was impossible to keep it a secret, someone would have spilled the beans, and therefore, they say, they flew and landed.” Yes.
      Ask such a counter question about the details of, say... the production of nuclear weapons in the USSR (or the USA, it makes no difference) 30 years ago (the construction of submarines, military tasks of the space program, etc. state secrets) - he will not answer, since he is NOT massively LEAKING. And the few talkers were quickly isolated. It was possible to keep secrets on a bunch of topics, but about the falsification of the landing - WELL NO WAY!!! The logic is excellent...


      1. +2
        9 January 2016 23: 34
        Quote: tolancop
        from the public, like the author of the material, to seek specific answers to “why?” useless..

        Most likely, we won’t get an exact answer until someone flies in and brings back, as one of the authors put it, “the remains of the Americans’ vital activity.”
    2. -1
      10 January 2016 20: 30
      It was all like this, they were about to fly, they were shot down, the USSR fell silent, it became scary, the Americans quickly launched Plan B (Plan B in the event of a disaster, launch a fake that everyone flew off calmly).
      ALIENS!
  66. +2
    10 January 2016 13: 00
    Quote: tolancop
    And it doesn’t bother you that they saw what they were SHOWN. Americans. The command module is scratched, dented and smoked in the right places. Bungled specifically for such a display.
    Let's do it this way. You are probably an expert in some field. Tell me, is it easy to deceive you with something not real from this area? For example, I am a computer scientist. You can trick me into using a dummy computer only if it works like a computer. But then it will be a computer. smile
    To deceive real developers and designers who have eaten more than one dog on space technology and the cosmonauts who have flown on this technology... As they say, it is very unlikely.
    Quote: tolancop
    And the only conclusion that emerges from this inability is that they DID NOT LAND.
    I don't agree. The conclusion is too categorical and can be argued with reason, which is what happens in this topic.
    Quote: tolancop
    Until there is a logical and plausible explanation for ALL the absurdities and inconsistencies, doubts will remain.
    But I agree with this a little more than completely. I, too, see inconsistencies and absurdities, and I will not foam at the mouth to prove what I myself have not seen and have not touched with my hands. But I’m also not ready to accept the speculative (and often quite ridiculous) arguments of my opponents on faith. Faith is one thing, but facts are another.
    Therefore, I see only one way out - to wait for one of the points of view to be confirmed by irrefutable facts.
    And all because I, like you, am a convinced skeptic.
    Quote: Pomoryanin
    The Americans, who returned to the ship 6 hours later, discovered that 10 liters of water had spilled through the filter onto the deck of this module. In a vacuum. Question to the author of the article: are the laws of physics the same for everyone or are they written specifically for Americans??
    I don’t quite understand what the catch is here. Water in a vacuum will not evaporate instantly, nor will it freeze immediately, since life support modules have their own thermostats and gravity is present.
    Why shouldn't it leak? wink
    1. +3
      11 January 2016 01: 30
      Quote: Private
      Why shouldn't it leak?

      The problem is that water in a vacuum cannot exist in liquid form. In 6 hours everything would have evaporated. And they hint about a puddle.
  67. +3
    10 January 2016 14: 06
    Quote: Private
    Let's do it this way. You are probably an expert in some field. Tell me, is it easy to deceive you with something not real from this area? For example, I am a computer scientist. You can trick me into using a dummy computer only if it works like a computer. But then it will be a computer.

    Is it possible to deceive a specialist? Can. Depends on the purpose of the deception and the willingness to incur certain costs to organize the deception. Of course, a specialist is able to figure out WHAT was slipped to him... if he gets enough time for this and the opportunity to delve deeply into the craft.
    Regarding computers. I've been pressing keys since 1987 and have seen a lot of technology. But let’s say, from the picture on the monitor, I can’t tell what the car is like. To do this you need to actually work with real problems. Yes, it would be nice to take a look inside...
    Quote: Private
    To deceive real developers and designers who have eaten more than one dog on space technology and the cosmonauts who have flown on this technology... As they say, it is very unlikely.

    But tell me, from what angle did the specialists you mentioned view what was SHOWN? I offer 2 options:
    1. Study of other people's experience (there are NO doubts about the authenticity of the object shown). “It’s interesting to see how the Americans arranged all this... But we made this unit differently... And this thing they have is more convenient than ours... But we didn’t get to that point, we’ll take it into account for the future... But with this thing it’s unclear - why was it necessary to screw it up like this when it could be done simpler... And in this part we “made amers”... "
    2. Critical (there are strong suspicions about the authenticity of the object). “It looks good... I should open the panel and see what’s inside... The picture is good, but it’s not clear how you can work with this in reality,” etc.

    I assure you that the conclusions from the inspection of the same object under option 1 and option 2 will be noticeably different.

    It seems to me that your friends had the first option.

    z.y. About 25 years ago, one of my friends, a good radio installer, shared his impressions of visiting the Cosmos pavilion at VDNKh. “No, well, there’s an exhibit hanging... It says satellite like this. Great. There’s a cut, you can look inside the device. I looked at it. I was stunned!!! I would have had my hands torn off for such radio installation, tourniquets, etc. !! They put together a mock-up somehow and wrote “Sputnik”... If they had written a mock-up, there would have been no questions, but here they pass off such a fake as the real thing.”
    Since there was somehow no doubt about the space successes of the USSR, a crudely made mock-up could have been slipped into VDNKh as an original - it looked like it would be okay.
    What if the situation is the opposite? If a craft should be one of the links of evidence of something that DIDN’T HAPPEN? Then the approach to creating a fake will be qualitatively different.
  68. 0
    10 January 2016 21: 29
    Well, we saw that it took off, we saw that it landed. And between these phenomena no one saw anything!
  69. Erg
    -1
    10 January 2016 22: 42
    Guys, at least have a little respect for yourself... Don't make suckers of yourself. We will not be capable of this for decades (all of humanity). I don’t know how to reach you anymore... Reboot or something... fool
  70. +1
    11 January 2016 05: 37
    Quote: tolancop
    Regarding computers. I've been pressing keys since 1987 and have seen a lot of technology. But let’s say, from the picture on the monitor, I can’t tell what the car is like. To do this you need to actually work with real problems. Yes, it would be nice to take a look inside...
    Well, I have a little more experience, I started on a machine that didn’t have a keyboard at all, only control keys (BESM-4). smile
    And “to actually work with real problems and look inside” is a prerequisite! This is exactly what I meant.
    Quote: Pomoryanin
    The problem is that water in a vacuum cannot exist in liquid form. In 6 hours everything would have evaporated. And they hint about a puddle.
    If we are talking about a liquid puddle, then yes, this is a fable. And if, say, about a piece of ice in the form of a puddle, it is quite likely. It all depends on the temperature in the module. Ice evaporates much slower than liquid. Unfortunately, I don’t know what was in the original source of this story, but during the retelling (and translation), the meaning could have changed, turning into an anecdote.

    Another argument in favor of my position. If we assume that both Saturn and Apollo are dummies, then it means that the Soyuz-Apollo flight also did not take place. After all, it involved the same Saturn without a third stage (it is not needed for launch into low-Earth orbit), and the same Apollo without a lunar module and with a new universal docking device. And our cosmonauts (four crews were trained), the USSR Academy of Sciences, Intercosmos and a huge number of our engineers and technicians also took part in it.
    Our cosmonauts and flight support personnel underwent intensive training in America, and the Americans underwent intensive training in the USSR. Without detailed knowledge of the partner’s technology and control systems, it is simply impossible to ensure the safety of people.
    There is a lot of domestic materials on this program, in particular this book, written by Soviet participants in the program, as they say, in hot pursuit (a year after the flight):
    http://epizodsspace.no-ip.org/bibl/soyuz-i-apollon/01.html
    Well, okay, let’s assume that the Americans embellished something and kept silent about something in order to annoy us.
    So now their, and not to trust very authoritative people?
    1. +3
      11 January 2016 09: 36
      Quote: Private
      If we are talking about a liquid puddle, then yes, this is a fable. And if, say, about a piece of ice in the form of a puddle, it is quite likely. It all depends on the temperature in the module.

      The module was opened. That is, the conditions there for 6 hours were no different from those on the moon.

      The question arises that after the “lunar race” Saturn-5 was never used to launch cargo over 80 tons into space
      Quote: Private
      Another argument in favor of my position. If we assume that both Saturn and Apollo are dummies, then it means that the Soyuz-Apollo flight also did not take place.

      The orbital Apollo weighed 30,4 tons, and the lunar one about 140. This is the answer to the Soyuz-Apollo program.
  71. 0
    11 January 2016 07: 48
    What a lucrative topic, so many comments, it’s terrible. I also want to make money on motivated evidence. Hollywood rules. The main thing is to train your logical apparatus. Some comrades have been to the moon, others have built pyramids, they can kill a lot of people, they definitely know how to do this and are perfecting it. The first satellite is an achievement, the exceptional ones immediately realized that exclusivity was vetoed. A simple, non-exceptional person does not care about self-hypnosis, the main thing is to live peacefully, if possible, of course.
  72. +1
    11 January 2016 12: 37
    Quote: Private
    ...One more argument in favor of my position. If we assume that both Saturn and Apollo are dummies, then it means that the Soyuz-Apollo flight also did not take place. After all, it involved the same Saturn without a third stage (it is not needed for launch into low-Earth orbit), and the same Apollo without a lunar module and with a new universal docking device. And our cosmonauts (four crews were trained), the USSR Academy of Sciences, Intercosmos and a huge number of our engineers and technicians also took part in it.
    Our cosmonauts and flight support personnel underwent intensive training in America, and the Americans underwent intensive training in the USSR. Without detailed knowledge of the partner’s technology and control systems, it is simply impossible to ensure the safety of people.
    There is a lot of domestic materials on this program, in particular this book, written by Soviet participants in the program, as they say, in hot pursuit (a year after the flight):
    http://epizodsspace.no-ip.org/bibl/soyuz-i-apollon/01.html
    Well, okay, let’s assume that the Americans embellished something and kept silent about something in order to annoy us.
    So now their, and not to trust very authoritative people?

    IMHO, the existence of Saturn 5 and its real ability to launch some cargo into orbit is not in dispute. THE DECLARED characteristics are called into question. Those. Saturn 5 could have thrown something into orbit, but this weight was not enough to implement the lunar program. Whether Apollo himself was real, I don’t know. There is no doubt that preparations were underway for the joint S-A flight. I remember those times well: it was furnished with great pomp. There was a lot of material in the press even BEFORE the flight; cigarettes were even released for this occasion. It seems that even the date and time of the Soyuz launch was announced IN ADVANCE, contrary to the established practice of delivering information through the media AFTER the launch.
    And somehow I had no doubt about the reality of the flight... until I read http://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st55.htm
    1. Erg
      0
      11 January 2016 14: 44
      Our “strong friendship” with the Americans began, interestingly, simultaneously with their “flights” to the Moon. And in ’75, even closer “cooperation” began wassat As for ours, they honestly sounded off in orbit, but with “friends” there were some misunderstandings (the docking port had not yet been invented, and the lunar one had probably forgotten how to do it, just like the F-1 lol ) Perhaps (how should I know) Kubrick-Mosfilm...
  73. 0
    11 January 2016 17: 12
    Quote: Lekov L
    It is especially painful to read such davas72 utyrkov, if personally acquainted with our real men. The astronaut is really hard work, there are very few bad people there. Do not survive ..
    Although there are probably exceptions, but don’t touch Leonov - I don’t need to, I know him.

    I'm glad you're Otyrok! Otherwise there are fewer and fewer Neutyrkov, you take care of yourself! I also know my neighbor, but I cannot say that he is not a traitor or a fagot, because I am not given to know what is behind the soul of another person (you, as I understand it, are an exception and you are given...) Gagarin would say the truth - that’s why he was removed, and Leonov, under any power, does not leave the screens and defends the “lunar epic” of the Americans, which by definition could not exist and he knows this very well.
  74. +1
    11 January 2016 21: 40
    The main conclusion that I made at one time while studying this issue is that a country that will send its ... nauts to the moon should in no case rely on the American experience. They will ruin people. We must do everything as if it were the first time.
    And further. If “the main achievement of the XNUMXth century” has passed into the category of faith, then this achievement is worthless. Gagarin’s flight does not need to be proven because after him there was Titov, and after him all the others until today. There was no one behind the Apollos.
  75. +3
    11 January 2016 22: 24
    Personally, I have certain doubts that in the 60s it was technically possible for anyone to fly to the moon. There are many conspiracy theories or versions surrounding the American flight. But it’s somehow suspiciously strange that all the original films of the flight to the moon were destroyed; I came across a version that the Americans, at that time, did not have enough magnetic film, and they used it several times. So there are questions. Moreover, the Americans themselves are fueling the hype around this topic, if you notice, as a rule, whistleblowers are people who are not completely incompetent, and as a result they write all sorts of nonsense. But in this article, the author also wrote something stupid: he called the American staggering upper stage a full-fledged rocket engine.
  76. +2
    12 January 2016 05: 36
    tolancop, Thanks for the link!
    There are, of course, a lot of books there, but I honestly got through them all. Of the works of "non-flyers" this is perhaps the best and most well-reasoned. And the author’s assumptions are quite plausible in the sense that “this could very well have happened.” Although with comparable probability “it might not have happened.” smile
    Some moments especially attracted attention.
    "Soyuz-19" against the background of clouds, and on the clouds, damn it, there is text.
    From my own experience, I know that this effect is obtained when scanning a sheet with double-sided printing (book page) if the bottom surface of the scanner lid is white. To avoid this effect, on (semi-)professional scanners this surface is always black. Conclusion - the photo is not original, but taken from some paper media, and unprofessionally. The second photo with darkened corners looks like the real thing (and the original). After all, to get the vignette effect, it’s really enough to forget to set the aperture. This happens sometimes even with professional photographers.
    "The handshake scene could have been filmed on an airplane." Or it might not have been...
    The author, carefully examining sleeves, pockets and threads, tries to find the force of gravity everywhere, but does not take into account the forces of inertia when moving in zero gravity, the result of which in the photo may look the same. Paying attention to small details, the author loses sight of the fact that the poses of the astronauts in the photo in terrestrial conditions would be very uncomfortable. And to justify the obvious soaring in the air, the author even had to assume the existence of a hidden support. In general, the analysis of videos and photos “in orbit” is not very convincing; it could be like this, or it could be that way.
    As for the shiny surfaces of the splashed-down capsule, yes, the absence of burn marks is extremely suspicious. After all, the thermal protective coating protects the ship precisely due to its own combustion and it cannot help but burn. In short, it looks like the training footage was passed off as a real landing. Is it really just because these frames are in color, and a bunch of photos of capsules from other expeditions (where everything was charred and only scraps of the shiny coating remained) are in black and white.
    And the aircraft commander, who observed “pieces (of thermal protection) flying away from the module” from a distance of as much as 500 miles, is an outright journalistic order. He apparently did not know that the flying thermal protection = a ship burned to the ground + the entire crew.
    The fact that our cosmonauts were loaded onto stretchers (there were no loading suits yet), and the American ones ran on their own to give interviews - it seems to me that this was an order from above for the media not to show the “ugly” details to the average person.
    And it is quite possible that a performance specially filmed before the flight was shown on TV.
  77. 0
    12 January 2016 05: 37
    Regarding the synchronous problems with the TV on the Soyuz and the transfer hatch on Apollo and the subsequent use of the Soyuz as a television repeater - it is quite plausible, as is the story with the chilled kerosene. Although, to be honest, I don’t want to believe it...
    I remember that the decision to close our lunar program not only surprised, but stunned both me and many of my friends.
    To some extent, the situation was explained by persistent rumors that the engine control system of the first stage of the N-1 carrier (30 pieces of NK-33!), even in theory, was on the border of the stability region, and for real use it turned out to be completely stillborn. Although the engines themselves were quite up to par. And when, despite the lobbying of academician. Mishin of this particular project to the detriment of Chelomeevsky and Yangelevsky, this information reached the “big bosses”, they quickly and harshly shut down N-1, and with it the entire lunar program.
    There could also be an agreement between our and “their” leaders. After what we have learned about various politicians in recent years, we can assume anything. And you can hardly go wrong.
    In general, the material is very good and exactly as it should be. Without categorical statements, but with “food for thought”
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 09: 20
      Quote: Private
      I remember that the decision to close our lunar program not only surprised, but stunned both me and many of my friends.

      To those who worked on it regarding the conspiracy, everything immediately became clear as soon as, with everything ready for a two-cosmonaut flight with the assembly of a spacecraft in LEO, they suddenly decided to fly “American style” with one large rocket. And as soon as we saw the first stage of the N-1, any doubts completely disappeared.

      In general, the material pokes at the graphics and turns everything upside down from the first lines. The greatest complexity was the soft landing system on the Moon, and it was transferred to the Americans from the USSR, just as they later bought a much simpler orbital docking system for their “trucks” to the ISS, which they also could not do themselves. The X-37 has automatic equipment from the Buran; the Shuttle could not land automatically.
      And the key to long-term flights are the life support systems, which on Apollo, as well as in the American segment of the ISS, are also Soviet.
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 09: 50
        These Soviet systems of the American segment are concentrated in a separate module of Russian development and production. They launched it with a Proton.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Заря_(модуль_МКС)
        Also, the United States does not have the technology for producing high-quality titanium, so now not only all jet engines are made from Soviet titanium, but even all of their famous A-12, aka SR-71, which is now the RD for the Atlas, including spy satellites. in response to unknown Jason-Vanik sanctions and State Department export restrictions.
        Quote: Scraptor
        In general, the material is very good and exactly as it should be. Without categorical statements, but with “food for thought”

        Yeah, yes... Think about this information more carefully, the author of the material is a liberal journalist. So all around, on the contrary, randomly what is important and complex and what is not, and highlighting in large letters about “six” they are rarely mistaken. laughing
      2. +4
        12 January 2016 23: 20
        Quote: Scraptor
        ...how later they bought a much simpler orbital docking system for their “trucks” to the ISS, which they also could not do themselves.
        Okay, when you bought it.
        I remember how one acquaintance with bitterness in his voice said: “And here in Podlipki everyone is busy clearing the stamps off documentation. For transfer to “exchange partners” (read, for free).” And how many outstanding technical solutions have leaked in this way... sad
        Quote: Scraptor
        The X-37 has automatic equipment from the Buran; the Shuttle could not land automatically.
        The Energia-Buran complex, compared to the Shuttle, is a masterpiece. And no one has any doubts about it - the whole world watched the Buran landing automatically in real time.
  78. +2
    12 January 2016 16: 40
    Quote: Scraptor
    And the key to long-term flights are the life support systems, which on Apollo, as well as in the American segment of the ISS, are also Soviet.

    That's for sure! What Moon? They still can’t function normally in space without us (our technologies):
    http://andrew-vk.narod.ru/public/Apollo_FCS/fcs.html
    1. Erg
      +4
      12 January 2016 21: 23
      That's right, corporal. I am surprised by people who perceive the American performance as reality. There is a method of deduction (according to Holmes). An intelligent, educated person will not allow himself to be fooled, and simpletons from science (or paid ones) will always be adherents of absurdity and stupidity. A couple of years ago I was downvoted (on this topic) mercilessly. Now the article has received more downvotes. And it pleases. This means that the people (nothing to do with politics) began to simply turn on their brains. Who wants a "fight" (with links) on this topic - please lol . Only open "process". I’ll post on every “controversial” issue - it doesn’t seem like enough. laughing
    2. +4
      12 January 2016 23: 28
      Fun stuff. It seems that the Americans treated this problem “with jokes and jokes.” They love jokes below the belt.
      And from the point of view of preserving the health of astronauts, the problem is of paramount importance.
      Our people on the ISS should make entrance for guests to the toilet of the Russian module paid. smile
    3. +3
      13 January 2016 05: 57
      With our technologies transferred to the USA for Apollo, they could fly there quite on the verge of a foul and come back, but on Lunar Gemini - no. laughing
      Americans are no strangers to walking around in bags, or not flushing while doing so; they come from Europe, which until the XNUMXth century crushed lice, did it on the straw behind the tapestry and did not wash. And most people still fart at the table.
      Another thing is that such “habitability” is not at all conducive to the working condition of the astronaut, and he and Gemini, due to their usual “cultural” tradition, did not take this into account. In Apollo, they walked on a large scale in the Lunar Module, and the ship goes back to earth in a ballistic manner, and you can only do your usual business under your neighbor’s nose for just a few days without a big risk of error from a state of discomfort.
      In civilized Europe (where von Braun and his German-SS team came to NASA), pots were generally thrown out the window onto the heads of passersby (especially since it was not interesting to walk down steep stairs with them), but in space it’s a bummer. laughing
      In large bombers and submarines they walked into a bucket under diesel fuel, but there is no weightlessness there.
  79. 0
    14 January 2016 13: 51
    http://cont.ws/post/180078
  80. +1
    15 January 2016 11: 40
    I don't know what's going on with the American lunar program.
    Although I don’t understand why such questions are a sign of a charlatan

    And then the charlatans will come and say: “What about the American flag waving? Technique of the time did not allow to fly to the moon ".

    The article gives an American jingoistic impression. In our Russian liberal style.

    Yesterday he had an article in a similar style
    "The myth about the period of decline of the Russian Navy"

    http://topwar.ru/89213-mif-o-periode-upadka-vmf-rossii.html#comment-id-5449714
  81. 0
    16 January 2016 10: 17
    The wife of N. Armstrong's neighbor knew for sure whether Armstrong was on the moon!!!))) Remember about ''Good luck, Mr. Gorski?! )))
  82. +2
    25 January 2016 19: 06
    "One proof is enough to dispel doubts about man's flight to the moon."
    And there is a link to a photo with some kind of rotosei. What are they looking at? A glider pilot, an eagle, a fireworks display, a combat rocket launch?
    More than half don't watch at all. So-so. In such an event, no one would turn away. Obviously another nonsense.
  83. 0
    28 January 2016 04: 56
    Gentlemen. I am amazed by your technical ignorance. There were Americans on the moon. Were! It’s a shame, of course, that it’s not us. I will give the facts that I know. In December 1968 my father, a lieutenant colonel in the radio engineering troops, was sent on a business trip to Crimea. At that time he served in the Long-Range Aviation Communications Center, which was then located in Golitsyno-2 (now Krasnoznamensk). Now there is a space group control center, but then it was the YES Communications Center. A control complex with a TNA-400 antenna with a mirror with a diameter of 32 meters was built in Crimea. The complex was built specifically for observing the Apollos. The observation began in December 1968. to November 1969. Apollo 8,10,11,12. Transmissions from the Moon were carried out in the range of 13 cm. C band S) both radio and television. True, the quality of television reception was very low. As with a high noise level, with frame synchronization problems. I was 15 years old at that time and was already an avid radio amateur, although my father called me a “radio destroyer.” So I personally heard the negotiations between the astronauts and the earth. My father brought a 15-minute recording on tape. The recording speed was 38 cm per second. The Kometa-201 tape recorder that I had at that time had a maximum speed of 19 cm per second, so I had to redo the tape mechanism. It was very interesting to hear, against the background of the clear words of the astronauts, the reflected signal from the Moon with a large delay. I mean answers from Earth. I saw the television footage much later, when I was already a third-year student at the Bauman Moscow Higher Technical School. About the lunar soil. The lunar soil is still available for research by scientists of any country, the only condition is the guaranteed return of all soil taken for research back to storage. By the way, we shared the lunar regolith with the Americans. About 45g. the Americans gave it to us. The importance of this exchange lay in the fact that our soil was taken at a considerable distance from the place where the American one was taken. Only narrow-minded people can talk about hidden soil, claiming that the Americans flew only on shuttles, the Lunokhod descended to the Moon by parachute. An assertion worthy of an Ig Nobel Prize. By the way, the control complex was later transformed into the Saturn MS complex for controlling Soviet lunar spacecraft.
    1. 0
      19 June 2017 08: 41
      Brainlessness cannot be cured Aaaaaaanatoliy)))))). Nude, to hell with it. Your “kamlaniya” in the spirit of “they were there, they were there, they were there, they were there” only cause laughter and pity.
    2. 0
      7 August 2017 20: 47
      Truth and lies are mixed in this dark story.
  84. 0
    10 February 2016 22: 08
    LORD, I AM HOW SHAMED FOR YOU. THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY IS IN THE YARD AND YOUR LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE ENDS WITH THE MIDDLE AGES. YOU DON’T KNOW THE ELEMENTARY LAWS OF PHYSICS, OR MORE EXACTLY THE LAWS OF RADIO WAVE PROPAGATION. JUST EMOTIONS AND NO LOGIC. THE AMERICANS COULD ONLY DECEIVE YOU. BUT THERE COULD NOT BE A COUNTRY CALLED USSR. IF THERE WERE AT LEAST MUCH DOUBT, THEY WOULD BE EXPRESSED. CONTINUE YOUR KAMALANIYA WITH TAMMORIES, YOUR LEVEL OF LITERACY IS WORTHY OF YOUR DANCES.
  85. 0
    11 October 2016 10: 10
    https://vk.com/afera_nasa Петиция.
    Recognize the falsification of the American landing on the moon from 1969 to 1972 and the fact of the conspiracy of the Soviet Brezhnev leadership of the USSR with the United States to conceal it.

    The US lag behind the USSR in terms of the possibility of delivering a lunar spacecraft to Earth is 46 years.

    “By its very decision-making process, NASA revealed the falsification of the moon landings.”
    Let me remind you of the historical day 15.09.1968/7/1 Tests of the Soyuz-18K-L1 lunar spacecraft. The first return of a spacecraft to Earth after orbiting the Moon. On September 950, the ship passed over the far side of the Moon at a distance of 20 km. There were living creatures on board: turtles, fruit flies, worms, plants, seeds, bacteria. Before entering the atmosphere, due to an error by the ground operator, the orientation system failed, and the ship descended along a ballistic trajectory with overloads of up to 21g. The ship splashed down in the Indian Ocean on September 10, was picked up by Soviet warships and delivered to the USSR via Bombay. During the flight, the turtles reportedly lost up to XNUMX% of their body weight, but remained active and had a good appetite.

    Only December 5, 2014 i.e. 46 years after the USSR, the Orion capsule was tested, designed to deliver space crews beyond LEO and, most importantly, to return them safely back to Earth. Orion reached an altitude of 5800 km and then returned to Earth at an atmospheric entry speed of 8,9 km per second, while the temperature of its heat shield reached 2200 °C [Orion Blog, 2014]. The capsule splashed down successfully, as planned, near the waiting US Navy ships.

    So the test was successful, but what was special about it? The side walls of Orion were lined with ceramic tiles similar to those used to protect the Space Shuttles, and this was a new element compared to the design of the Apollo Command Module (CM) capsule. How important is this innovation? And if this is necessary, then how did the Apollo spacecraft manage without such protection, withstanding the heat of the plasma that envelops the spacecraft upon entering the Earth's atmosphere?
  86. 0
    26 October 2016 11: 18
    According to the author’s logic, the fact that the secrets of damask steel and Saturn 5 were lost is not a problem, they did it once, they will do it again, but they don’t do it?!
  87. +1
    26 October 2016 13: 07
    Quote: denis02135
    Do you remember the November 41 parade, where Comrade Stalin did not have steam in the cold during the speech, so the parade did not happen?

    Actually, it is a well-known fact that the cameramen, due to the secrecy regime, were late for the start of the parade and had to film the speech of Comrade I.V. Stalin. in a studio.
  88. 0
    26 October 2016 13: 23
    Baikal,
    http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moonhoax.htm почитайте, довольно интересно
  89. 0
    3 November 2016 16: 12
    yes, modern whistleblowers cannot feel the tremors of the earth... and they lost the engine production technology, and the Tonkin incident is true, and the towers collapsed from a fire, and the plane hit the Pentagon, and the Indians were killed by the Russians... it makes you jealous, where do you get it? what you smoke
  90. 0
    17 November 2016 20: 22
    They knew how to make rockets back then, but cinematic special effects were then in their infancy, and Photoshop had not yet been invented.
    Why do the Chinese have a brown moon in the photographs from the lunar rover, while the Americans (and us) have a gray one? Yes, because it’s not gray, but black and white. Even now photographs are taken in black and white, not in color, and filters are applied later.
    There is more material on the topic - http://unnatural.ru/moon-ntb
  91. 0
    19 June 2017 08: 35
    Does anyone else really believe this nonsense? Justifications for idiots are at the level of a five-year-old child who broke a jar of jam and blames everything on the drummers. At least they would be ashamed of such moronic “evidence” that you were there.
  92. 0
    7 August 2017 20: 34
    I have only one, very delicate and unpleasant question - what was the situation with the bowel and bladder bowel movements during the lunar expeditions? All. What I have read on this topic 100% proves that there were no flights to the Moon at all. There was a grandiose scam in which our leaders also took a shameful part.
  93. 0
    7 August 2017 20: 40
    Where would they shit then? I understand that I am taking aim at the sacred, but neither kings nor presidents are exempt from this process.
  94. 0
    4 September 2017 18: 02
    If someone, having demonstratively thrown shovels, hoes and buckets into the trunk, drove away from the house under the supervision of a dozen neighbors, this does not at all prove that he actually arrived at the dacha, and not at his mistress in the neighboring area.
  95. 0
    19 November 2017 16: 20
    Very funny "lightning" on the back of space suits on Apollo 11 and 12.
    When they land on the moon, they comment on everything, despite the fact that they are sitting astride a rocket - and there is no noise, din or dust. And the noise should be at the level of the pain threshold. Cool running in a circle by an astronacht in zero gravity (this is after the Apollos). The same Mount Hedly in the background for two missions Apollo 15 and 16. Handles with bolts on splashed down CMs, not burnt and covered with paper and tape. Even the paint didn't burn off. Where do our people come from, all black and smoky? And they sit and smile.
  96. 0
    19 November 2017 17: 19
    And here’s more about the “miracle engine” F1, a detailed analysis with calculations:
    http://free-inform.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-13.htm
  97. kig
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    10 February 2018 11: 58
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    And the most important argument, as everyone knows, Americans fly shuttles,

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    the launch vehicle carries the shuttle to the near-Earth surface

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    How was the shuttle able to land on the surface of the Moon? there are no landing signs there


    Re-read yourself! Just please take a critical approach to this process.
  98. 0
    2 December 2018 23: 33
    Why are they publishing this obvious lie? 1. NASA stated that photos and film materials of the lunar epic “disappeared.” No originals! Strange.. 2. The Saturn 5 engines cannot be replicated today; they buy Russian engines developed 10 years later, but the same “according to paper performance characteristics”. Strange.. 3. The author of the article says that Zond-8 brought the animals back alive, which means Apollo too...No Apollo is NOT the same at all, he is completely different. Why is the author cheating like this? Strange... 4. In 2011, NASA conducted a series of tests to study methods of how to extinguish the 2nd escape velocity when returning from the Moon. And before that, how did they return? Strange... And there are about 20 more such oddities.
    Enough to doubt the veracity of the source - the US state, which today is obviously lying about dozens of political events.
    Not counting the fact that the United States today is the champion in the number of cosmonaut deaths: 14 people on the Space Shuttle + 3 people on Apollo 1 versus 4 people in the USSR-Russia, with 0 losses in the PRC. The USA does not value human life.
  99. 0
    14 May 2020 07: 56
    “A manned flight to the Moon does not represent any practical value even in the perspective of the coming decades (neither in industrial, nor economic, nor even military terms). What can we say about the 70s of the last century!”


    How is it, author? A month ago, Trump signed the “Moon Executive Order.” Now the Moon is the domain of the USA

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    "...Americans should have the right to engage in commercial exploration, production and use of resources in outer space in accordance with applicable law. The United States is not a party to the Moon Agreement. Moreover, the United States does not consider the Moon Agreement to be an effective or necessary tool for the leadership of nation states with respect to promoting commercial participation in the long-term exploration, scientific discovery and use of the Moon, Mars or other celestial bodies."


    That's all, soon caravans of SLS-type rockets will reach the Moon and the dispute about the lunar scam will be resolved by itself)) All we have to do is wait a year, mmmm, I'm afraid I'll be wrong, 4. Trump wants to fly to the Moon in 2024. Not long left laughing laughing
  100. +1
    11 November 2020 06: 07
    Everything is fine, everything is fine, but! How will conspiracy supporters explain the field of reflectors on the moon? To this day, observatories use lasers to check the distance to the moon.