Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..

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The phrase “we live in an interesting time” turns into something utterly banal and erased. Eight months ago, the presidential replica “you won’t get rid of tomatoes alone” with regard to Turkey, which shot down the Russian Su-24 bomber, as if hinted that Erdogan is unlikely to get off with tomatoes. And seemingly only sedatives news the plots of Channel 1 separated Russia from the great war with Mr., who played with Sultan’s ambitions.

And now - about a miracle ... Just one letter, just a couple of pseudo-excitatory remarks and a dozen four minutes of telephone conversations, and ... Did Recep get off with tomatoes? ..

Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..


The news of the upcoming personal meeting between Vladimir Putin and Erdogan is one, there are two statements about following the path to normalizing relations, and three restrictions have been lifted by Russia on Russian tourists traveling to Turkish coast. A few days ago, the previously detected terrorist trail of ISIS and its ties with individual officials from the Turkish apparatus did not allow Russians to rest in Turkey, and now, you know, even a terrorist attack at the airport of the country's largest city, when a whole group of militants, allows you to open rest in Erdogan’s estate turned the air harbor into a bloodstained territory. In general, logic ...

And according to this logic, it is not at all clear by whom the ordinary Russian average citizen will now represent the president of Turkey, who was still unsubstantiated yesterday (including the Turkish media themselves) accused of dealing with terrorist groups. Just yesterday, talking about the likely normalization of relations with Turkey, something like this was heard: “Only without Erdogan!” And now, it seems, it's okay ... Well, I turned a blind eye to the crossing weapons the militants in the north of Syria and smuggling of crude oil by igilovtsami from the Syrian fields - indeed, who does not happen ...

No, of course, economic ties, promising billions in revenues to the budget, need to be taken into account. Here and Akkuyu nuclear power plant, and the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, and all the same Turkish tomatoes ... And, apparently, they took into account. But who after this remained in a rather clean suit? There is an opinion that with their “excuse me” and, as it were, “did what they did,” the suit quickly launders, not without Russian help, the very Erdogan who was accused of all mortal sins just now. It must be that now the Turkish President himself, who in the Russian media was somewhere between a fascist, terrorist number one and a failed sultan, wonders how Russia will continue to build relations with such as he.

And if these relations are restored as quickly as Mr. Erdogan ruined them with a blow to the Su-24, then it's time to ask whether this is not a dangerous precedent? Indeed, in fact, any distraught “strategist” who will decide to open confrontation with Russia can now get away with “tomatoes”. Undoubtedly, the author can be blamed for excessive conspiracy and absurd interpretations (I would even be happy if this were the case), but such a dramatic difference in degree from minus to plus in relations not even with Turkey itself, but with Mr. Erdogan is quite capable of becoming an a priori indulgence for future provocations and provocateurs against Russia. I would like it not to, but whether the “friends and partners” of Russia will perceive this correctly ...

For obvious reasons, the press service of the Kremlin does not publish a transcript of a telephone conversation between two presidents. But you can try to assume that Mr. Erdogan, as the modern youth says, sculpted excuses. They say that it is not he who is to blame for everything, and that he was generally framed ... What he did not give an order to strike a Russian plane, has nothing to do with sending weapons to Dzhebhat an-Nusra militants in Aleppo area, he did not give orders to iron from long-range artillery the Syrian government troops, who are pushing terrorists in the north of Latakia, did not merge the investigation into the execution of the Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov. In general, clean aki angel ...

And, if we consider only the outer shell of what is happening, then, it turns out, the Russian president believed it. Well, or at least pretended to believe.

Well, okay, tomatoes, okay, Turkish construction projects together with Turkish foremen ... But after all, hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, sorry for inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey with joyful hoots and shouts of “Hurray! All-inclusive returns ... ”After all, we have (and everywhere) a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the mini-bar and animator Mustafa, dancing in a suit of Mickey Mouse, in a Turkish hotel are ready to shut their eyes to the bloody terrorist acts in Istanbul , and the civil war in the east of Turkey, and the fact that in the Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of civilians in Syria. They are simply far from politics, and this is not a reproach, but the usual statement of fact. What is Syria, what is oil? - Give us a Turkish cut of fruits and vegetables and a cheap Turkish fur coat ...

The logic of such people is the same: “This will not affect us. This is generally far from the beaches. ”

And if the Russian authorities decided that she did not want to be a nurse for such an unbearable child, then another question arises: what was the impact? Is it possible that a couple of words of “Sultan” Erdogan, who now clearly kicked the ball on the Russian side and are awaiting how Russia will dispose of the ball? So far, again outwardly, we rush with this ball to our own goal. And even the portraits of the dead Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozychnich stop noticing behind the billboards of the “Turkish Stream” and all the same Akkuyu NPP? ..

In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of the head and raise the eyebrows higher with an “all-encompassing” thought looking for a way out: “If only for a multi-step ... Well, at least multi-flow” ...
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  1. +2
    30 June 2016 13: 59
    I don’t have all the information about what’s there and how. Well, it seems to me that if Turkey goes up in flames, and it’s on the brink, then there will be seeds in Syria. There’s a larger population there, and again there are straits. I think that Putin will find something to put pressure on. It could be Nagorno-Karabakh, it could be Syria, and much more. We’ll see.
  2. +9
    30 June 2016 14: 12
    The obvious fact is that there was no “apology”! When did our leaders decide that there are enough tomatoes for today? It's on their conscience. But given the narrow specialization of the Russian elite, let me guess - loot! And only money can make our nouveau riche close their eyes to everything.
    Remember the famous phrase: “she drowned”? Soon the only phrase left in the media will be: “he fell.”
    Everything is for sale, good gentlemen!
    1. -4
      30 June 2016 22: 59
      The obvious fact was that there was an apology. Or were you personally given the letter to read and you saw something there for yourself that others did not understand?
  3. +6
    30 June 2016 14: 18
    After the Triple Terrorist Attack, VVP invites you to go to Turkey....D..B...that’s politics
  4. +8
    30 June 2016 14: 26
    - Hurray... - “we are defeated”...
    - Yes, it was with tomatoes that Turkey got away with... - the Turks will bring us a whole truckload of their plastic tomatoes for the downed plane... - so we “will be counted”... - And Russia will also send millions of its tourists... -Turkey will greet the “velvet season” with beaches crowded with tourists from Russia... -And our gas pipeline will also begin to be quickly installed in Turkey...and nuclear power plants will be completed in Turkey...
    - Whatever it was, Russia really demonstrated that it is possible to shoot down Russian planes with impunity... -We will pretend for a while that we were offended.., but then we will quickly forgive everything... - Whatever one may say... , but you can’t think otherwise... -the whole world is witness to this... -How useful such “broad gestures” on the part of Russia are for Russia itself, time will tell very soon... -But what will the “reputation” be like after this? Russia itself... -this is worth thinking about...
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  5. +5
    30 June 2016 14: 38
    I think that a demonstrative flogging is needed so that it would be easier for the Turks to remove the Sultan than to allow the idea of ​​touching Russia!!! Well, we are heroes! We lasted 7 months without the Turks! Europe is not so afraid, but Turkey is even more so! With us, is patriotism only in appeals?! We understood that “soaking in sartires” was a turn of phrase! But don’t reach the same level of idiocy! And then you will say that we believed them, they promised us, and they deceived us? Then explain to the country what is happening with oil, with Daesh, with the Sultan, with Syria, what they are doing there, why our guys are shedding blood!
  6. +8
    30 June 2016 14: 57
    The price of a Russian pilot's life is one phone call...
  7. +3
    30 June 2016 15: 04
    Quote: Black
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!

    Money loomed on the horizon. Capitalism, however. Russia is fighting terrorism, and Turkey is an accomplice of terrorists. So? Or am I missing something? Okay government(economy block)3,14ljhfcs? but PUTIN...Shame.
  8. +7
    30 June 2016 15: 09
    oh..liberasty startled..comment for the sake of a comment or again "all polymers have been lost!"? ..- it's not for you to judge .. history will judge .. hi[/ Quote]
    I have NEVER been a liberal, and to yours: [quote = bad] it’s not for you to judge...history will judge.[/quote]
    It’s not for you to judge...history will judge...I declare responsibly: as a citizen of the Russian Federation I HAVE the right to judge the affairs of MY government! enough! I'm tired of listening to just such STUPID, stupid and turnip-headed "defenders" of a cunning plan! got it, and even to the very bottom! I wonder when the current drivers will be asked for all their mistakes?! where is the actual apology for the downed plane? I’m even ashamed to ask the president why he does this to his people? Why are his words so at odds with the deeds of both him and his government, whose work he is satisfied with? the whole country is not happy, but he is happy! so the Turks got away not even with tomatoes, but with small garden rubbish: dill and parsley. and rightly so, the same states don’t give a damn about us and our country, and even the smaller riffraff spits on us! and the latest statement from “Dimona” about the lifting of sanctions?! This is no longer an option! You can add a lot to the above, but it’s of little or no use, as you like, it doesn’t change the essence of the matter... fool
  9. 3vs
    -3
    30 June 2016 15: 12
    Or maybe Erdogash said something like this to Uncle Vova:
    “I’m completely screwed, I admit my mistake, money for the downed plane and compensation for relatives
    There are no dead yet, we’ll make money from tourists and give them away...
    And with Syria - Hussein, take it, I didn’t really want to..."?
  10. -4
    30 June 2016 15: 27
    In 1944, Stalin had the opportunity to physically eliminate Hitler. But he did not agree to this, so that the new German government would not get in touch with the “allies”. What if there is a similar situation here?
  11. +7
    30 June 2016 15: 55
    The lifting of the ban on the sale of tours to Turkey, which coincided with a major terrorist attack at Istanbul airport, looks extremely strange, but no one in the Kremlin cares about this - now we are again friends with Turkey, and the previously announced meeting between Putin and Erdogan at the G20 summit can take place and earlier.
    Friendship with Turkey is burning like a fire in a fuel and lubricants warehouse. Medvedev has already urgently instructed the Cabinet of Ministers to prepare measures for the gradual lifting of restrictions with Turkey. Everything is forgotten and forgiven.
    It is curious that the top officials of the state did not speak to their people, trying to somehow explain the somersault that happened in three days. Everything has been handed over to television, in which a competition of propagandists is now unfolding - who will most faithfully lick the new twist of the party's policy.
    And they know how to lick private places. We have been convinced of this more than once.
  12. +8
    30 June 2016 16: 24
    And the question arose in full force: who do those in power hold us Russians to be? This guy either apologized or not, muttered something - Peskov quickly interpreted this “something” as an apology, and welcome, dear Russians, to Turkey and it’s okay that there was a terrorist attack there yesterday. This was yet another mistake by Putin, undermining his credibility. The next time they announce the introduction of new sanctions or embargoes against Turkey, Ukraine, Guadeloupe, etc. I suggest you answer: “Fuck you!”
    Apparently the interests of the people of Russia and the authorities began to diverge diametrically.
  13. +9
    30 June 2016 16: 28
    Quote: Victor Demchenko
    Quote: Gray 43
    It doesn’t matter what Putin promised Erdogan, but now everyone decides for themselves

    not only with your “wallet”, but by voting in the next elections! all recent events both in the world and in the country have shown the true face of our so-called people's power!

    In the elections, in any case, I will vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with my wife. Although I have never voted for them before. To spite this whole damn bureaucratic “elite”!!!
  14. +2
    30 June 2016 16: 55
    Erdogan didn’t even apologize, he simply expressed his regrets about what happened, but that’s not the point. The fact is that the import substitution that Mr. Putin spoke about did not work out, it was strangled by unscrupulous associates of “His Majesty”, and also (for well-known reasons) the issue of an oil pipeline through the “Black Sea” hung in the air. And lastly, food and fuel prices intervened in this chain of events (on the eve of the elections), and they began to rise steadily. From this we can quite reasonably conclude that the current leadership needed any reason to lift the sanctions, they were waiting for it, and they got it.

    The same thing will happen with the European Union, there won’t be long to wait, and all because it is not profitable for the corrupt officials from Putin’s government to develop their food industry (even if they have such an opportunity). The results of what has been said will be as follows: Putinoids left conscientious producers in the cold; the indexation of pensions (which was promised according to the level of inflation) was never carried out; cooperators were deprived of cheap loans and sales markets. Instead of natural products, our stores are filled with chemical-technological analogues of popular brands, the most famous of which is the Danone company, which is today under the patronage of Dmitry Medvedev’s wife Svetlana, and everything is in the same vein.

    The results of Medvedev's experiment are simply amazing?! According to experts, 70% of milk today is not such, it has become scary to buy sausage in general, since besides trans fats and suspension there is nothing at all, chickens are pumped full of all sorts of rubbish, and bread becomes moldy the very next day.

    Apparently, we have no time for pride now, my friends, we need to think about our soul and health, and everything else is after the elections, after the elections!
  15. +9
    30 June 2016 17: 31
    Putin opened the Yeltsin Center - a museum, a monument, a golden name in history. And Yeltsin, in fact, destroyed his fellow citizens during the shooting of the White House, according to some estimates - many thousands... And why be surprised?
    Türkiye destroyed our military aircraft and killed the pilot. Now we are friends and partners with Turkey again... Well, this is “normal” at the current time. Well, those who feel uneasy and upset need to be consoled... - This is a “cunning plan.” Or “it’s none of our business.” We don’t know or understand anything, we are a stupid electorate.
  16. -2
    30 June 2016 17: 33
    Zhirinovsky for president, he will show them Kuzkin’s mother and father’s plaque.
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    1. +2
      30 June 2016 23: 35
      If the text in the picture were without errors, your idea would be clearer.
  18. +1
    30 June 2016 17: 38
    Quote: kunstkammer

    Remember the famous phrase: “she drowned”? Soon the only phrase left in the media will be: “he fell.”
    Everything is for sale, good gentlemen!

    I remember very well the interview and the presenter’s mean-spirited translation of the topic from a joke to a question about a submarine, specifically to remove this moment from the phrase. But the fact that you remember exactly this phrase, cut from the video and replicated by Western media and “liberals” in Russia, says a lot about you.
    Incl. what sources of information do you use, and indeed what you are.
  19. +4
    30 June 2016 17: 48
    IMHO in the “Turkish issue” as well as with the Donbass. The debate about whether he leaked or not leaked will continue for a long time. Here they are already coming. And by all indications, it seemed like he had “leaked it.” Although the media shouts “Peremoga!!!” I think this is not at all simple. Let's not forget about the influence of oligarchy on politics. They need gas pipelines, a murky world in which to catch fat fish. These oligarchs, in turn, are hired workers of transnational corporations, that is, the world behind the scenes. And our government is exactly the same. So I can assume that people who do not refuse came to Erdogan and told him to apologize. he mumbled something that our media passed off as PEREMOGU. In turn, on this side of the Black Sea, some advisors authorized behind the scenes (why not Kudrin?) quietly and clearly said: “We must accept the apology, otherwise rearmament is already stalling. As if it didn’t collapse along with the ruble... And the elections on the nose.." And what to do here? “We have a democratic state” and “not 37.” There aren't many tools. It was EBN who was messing around the Soviet house from tanks. And our National Guard is only in diapers, it is still unknown what will come of it. You have to be cunning, adjust and play for time. It seems to me that this is precisely why Erdi got off with tomatoes. It was with them that he got away with it. In the meantime, the Turkish stream, which was whipped before they saw a fascist in Erdogan, may burn out. It was Stalin and Hitler who fought to the death. Now, in general, everyone is the same capitalist and is fighting for their interests. Which sometimes coincide with the interests of the country and the population. In the case of Russia, they coincide more than others, hence the rating.
  20. 0
    30 June 2016 18: 09
    There’s one thing I don’t understand - well, I allowed GDP to travel to Turkey - so what? People who don’t sympathize with the death of the pilot will go. Some may not go, out of principle. Some will eat Turkish tomatoes, they don’t care about all these showdowns, some won’t buy them - again, out of principle. Putin- what does that have to do with it? There is geopolitics, the average citizen may not understand all the prerequisites and consequences of the actions of the GDP. I don’t understand one thing - oh, everyone wants to go on vacation so much... is everyone so tired? The whole country lives in the Arctic, does not see the white light, does everyone want warmth? Half the country doesn’t lift anything heavier than its reproductive organ (figuratively speaking), it only happens on the street on the way to/from work and everyone is SO TIRED....
  21. -4
    30 June 2016 18: 12
    I think you have to have a lot of disrespect for our President to consider the latest events with Turkey humiliating for Russia. On the surface there are only tomatoes and tourism... I think it’s not on the surface that the Turkana have been pinned down to the utmost, and we will see our benefits.
    1. +8
      30 June 2016 20: 53
      Quote: pudelartemon
      I think you have to have a lot of disrespect for our President to consider the latest events with Turkey humiliating for Russia.

      Absolutely right. After the humiliating events with Turkey for the Power, there is nothing to respect him for. There is also nothing to respect him for after the strangulation of the Russian Spring and Novorossiya, after the soap opera with Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, after the constant approval of the work of the non-government and the Central Bank exchanger, after rearranging the beds in the brothel where the girls were Fursenkochubaisodvorkovichs.
  22. +3
    30 June 2016 18: 18
    I read the comments and am amazed at how the current contingent has been shredded......Where are the smartest old-timers of the site with deep analytics?..You can’t be left for six months ((( .....
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 21: 46
      Quote: Demo
      I read the comments and am amazed at how the current contingent has been shredded......Where are the smartest old-timers of the site with deep analytics?..You can’t be left for six months ((( .....

      Really, everyone has gone into the shadows! Now is the time for trolls and other armchair specialists. The smartest people are simply silent! I have known many of them personally for many years, but now is not the right time. It's not the same anymore! hi
    2. -2
      30 June 2016 23: 04
      I completely agree with you. I’m also shocked by the categoricalness of the commentators.
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  24. +2
    30 June 2016 18: 46
    Quote: unwillingly
    IMHO in the “Turkish issue” as well as with the Donbass. The debate about whether he leaked or not leaked will continue for a long time. Here they are already coming. And by all indications, it seemed like he had “leaked it.” Although the media shouts “Peremoga!!!” I think this is not at all simple. Let's not forget about the influence of oligarchy on politics. They need gas pipelines, a murky world in which to catch fat fish. These oligarchs, in turn, are hired workers of transnational corporations, that is, the world behind the scenes. And our government is exactly the same. So I can assume that people who do not refuse came to Erdogan and told him to apologize. he mumbled something that our media passed off as PEREMOGU. In turn, on this side of the Black Sea, some advisors authorized behind the scenes (why not Kudrin?) quietly and clearly said: “We must accept the apology, otherwise rearmament is already stalling. As if it didn’t collapse along with the ruble... And the elections on the nose.." And what to do here? “We have a democratic state” and “not 37.” There aren't many tools. It was EBN who was messing around the Soviet house from tanks. And our National Guard is only in diapers, it is still unknown what will come of it. You have to be cunning, adjust and play for time. It seems to me that this is precisely why Erdi got off with tomatoes. It was with them that he got away with it. In the meantime, the Turkish stream, which was whipped before they saw a fascist in Erdogan, may burn out. It was Stalin and Hitler who fought to the death. Now, in general, everyone is the same capitalist and is fighting for their interests. Which sometimes coincide with the interests of the country and the population. In the case of Russia, they coincide more than others, hence the rating.


    Something tells me that you are close to the truth ((((((
  25. -10
    30 June 2016 19: 32
    Quote: svanmoscow
    Eh V.V. why so, how now to explain to the soldiers who “caused fire on themselves” in Syria. that yesterday's enemy is no longer the enemy...

    In Syria, our guys die in battles with ISIS, may they rest in peace and eternal memory. We have not fought and are not at war with Turkey. But the fact that you, citizen, are trying to ride on emotions here, to evoke some kind of negativity, portrays you in a very specific perspective and role.
    1. +6
      30 June 2016 19: 44
      Quote: Mentat
      We have not fought and are not at war with Turkey.

      Tell this to the fellow soldiers of the deceased pilot.
      Turkish special forces are conducting special operations against the Syrians and our military advisers, volunteers, and contract soldiers. It does very well.
      Good advice: think before you write.
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        1. +5
          30 June 2016 22: 19
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          troll here about the Yeltsin centers, Chubais-Kudrins

          Yeah, it’s me who opens all these centers, personally. And I walk around with Yeltsin’s portrait on my chest every day. And Chubais is my first friend. You're the one trolling, my dear. And I have the facts. Although, I’ll have to explain it to you 1000 times, you’re useless. Zombified, enchanted, and probably bribed.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          about Turkish operations against our advisers

          No, they hand out candy and treat us to ice cream, although sometimes they knock down combat aircraft once or twice. But this is evident from great love. Have you decided who you are defending: Yeltsin, the Turks, Chubais, or all of them together?
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              1. -3
                30 June 2016 23: 17
                Quote: Coffin Cross1
                Turkish special forces are conducting special operations against the Syrians and our military advisers, volunteers, and contract soldiers. Conducts very successfully.

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - about the operations of the Turks against our advisers - they just pulled it out of thin air, right? From there, from there...

                Quote: Coffin Cross1
                Not, they give our candies and treat us to ice cream, however, sometimes combat aircraft are knocked down once or twice.

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - that is, you have no real information. Q.E.D.

                - read carefully. Realize. Real data on "Turkish special forces operations against advisers..." you do not have No.

                And you told me about “problems with the head.” Look for problems in the mirror, my dear. Yes
  26. +5
    30 June 2016 20: 35
    I wonder how much needs to be destroyed
    Russians to become an enemy of Russia
    1, 1000 how much?.
    1. +5
      30 June 2016 21: 02
      They are our enemies. And so they are partners, friends, comrades in money. Loot, nothing personal. She drowned, he was shot down, his partners fired at a kindergarten in Donetsk and Lugansk for the 1001st time. Loot on blood. All this has already happened...
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  29. 0
    30 June 2016 20: 49
    They don’t change horses midstream. Putin and I are going to victory. We have a different contingent here, different opinions, and everyone has the right to do so. Victory will be ours.
    1. +6
      30 June 2016 21: 07
      Quote: ML-334
      Horses at the crossing do not change.

      Crossing, crossing,
      Left bank, right bank...
      Can you tell me when this fucking crossing will end? How long will we wander from the left bank to the right? And where, there, is solid ground on the horizon?
      1. +2
        1 July 2016 03: 15
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And where, there, is solid ground on the horizon?

        We haven’t found the bottom yet, “there’s no money, stay here, good mood and health.”
  30. -7
    30 June 2016 20: 55
    Only a real officer can defend the honor of Russia. There were no officers in the Andropov KGB.
  31. +3
    30 June 2016 21: 07
    Amendments have been made to the Decree on measures to ensure the national security of Russia and the protection of Russian citizens from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to Turkey

    The President signed the Decree “On amendments to Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 28, 2015 No. 583 “On measures to ensure the national security of the Russian Federation and the protection of citizens of the Russian Federation from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to the Republic of Turkey "

    June 30, 2016 18:30
    Decree text:

    In accordance with Article 5 of the Federal Law of December 30, 2006 No. 281-FZ “On Special Economic Measures” and paragraph 6 of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 28, 2015 No. 583 “On Measures to Ensure the National Security of the Russian Federation and the Protection of Citizens Russian Federation from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to the Republic of Turkey” I decide:

    1. Introduce into the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 28, 2015 No. 583 “On measures to ensure the national security of the Russian Federation and the protection of citizens of the Russian Federation from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to the Republic of Turkey” (Collected Legislation Russian Federation, 2015, No. 48, Article 6820) change, recognizing paragraph 4, which establishes restrictions on the sale by tour operators and travel agents of a tourist product to citizens of the Russian Federation that involves visiting the territory of the Republic of Turkey, no longer in force.

    2. To the Government of the Russian Federation:

    a) take measures to lift the ban on charter air transportation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey;

    b) conduct negotiations with the Government of the Turkish Republic on issues of foreign economic relations between the Russian Federation and the Turkish Republic;

    c) depending on the results of negotiations, make proposals to change the duration or nature of special economic and other measures provided for by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 28, 2015 No. 583;

    d) bring their acts into compliance with this Decree.

    3. This Decree enters into force on the day of its official publication.

    See also

    Decree No. 314 “On amendments to Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 28, 2015 No. 583 “On measures to ensure the national security of the Russian Federation and the protection of citizens of the Russian Federation from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to the Republic of Turkey »PDF, 106.4 kB
    Additionally

    Decree on measures to ensure the national security of Russia and the protection of Russian citizens from criminal and other illegal actions and on the application of special economic measures in relation to Turkey November 28, 2015
    http://www.kremlin.ru/


    I remember someone talking about “a knife in the back.” Apparently it wasn’t a knife and it wasn’t in the back, but a little lower. I suspect that someone liked this
  32. +2
    30 June 2016 21: 10
    Quote: Coffin Cross1
    Quote: Mentat
    We have not fought and are not at war with Turkey.

    Tell this to the fellow soldiers of the deceased pilot.
    Turkish special forces are conducting special operations against the Syrians and our military advisers, volunteers, and contract soldiers. It does very well.
    Good advice: think before you write.

    It’s even difficult to say what stage this is. Has your conscience completely turned into coals? You are parasitic on the blessed memory of the guys who fell for their Motherland, trying to raise a rotten wave of negativity for your pitiful pennies, otherwise I cannot explain this writing.

    Obviously, my message was given three minuses: lookmag, CoffinCross1, svanmoscow. I regularly see the first two with anti-Russian attacks, the last one secretly pours some kind of foulbrood onto the forum.
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  33. +2
    30 June 2016 21: 16
    Ankara apologized. Tomatoes have become cheaper. ISIS promised not to terrorize anyone anymore. The Crimean and Krasnodar coasts abandoned the soviet service. The Janissaries are happy. Everything is Way! Children from Tatarstan are very glad that they were not blown up at the airport. Welcome to Istanbul! Only brains are cheaper, life for a place in the sun? The bear started talking about farmers. They fool us like dill! Hurray! Pure idiocy! IMHO!
  34. +2
    30 June 2016 22: 27
    Quote: PKK
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

    Who will believe this? (Obama allowed him to shoot down) Was someone really paid for this “gullibility” again? All the words and letters of this figure smell of outright lies, the Turks cannot be trusted, never. Especially if you remember the recent years 1941-1945. And if you dig further into history, you cannot trust “twice, or even four times never.”
  35. Tim
    +2
    30 June 2016 23: 04
    Quote: E. Lutvaites
    Clever, sensible, sensible! And how do you evaluate the lives of Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozynich, in what size, in what currency? And moral damage for mocking the corpse of a Russian pilot? Let me remind you: to shoot down a military aircraft, it’s not just to arrange an accident, it’s to shoot down the symbol of the state (it is present on the parts of the aircraft provided for this). So, do you propose to wipe the spit from your face, satisfied with the triple size of payment?

    Honestly, Pukin is fed up with his corrupt government and oligarch cronies, it has long been clear that they don’t give a damn about Russia, only their pockets and business is the main thing for them am
  36. +1
    30 June 2016 23: 18
    I think if Putin, due to this, forces Erdogan to try to match the Kurds in Turkey and Syria, then the rest, in principle, will understand who becomes No. 1 in the Middle East, coupled with the operation in Syria. And if you say on TV that the flow of tourists is open, and then 10 minutes talking about explosions and war in Turkey, the effect seems to be that they opened up and made concessions, but in reality few people will eat in the near future, but time will tell.
  37. +2
    1 July 2016 00: 29
    Quote: Hon
    Quote: Monos
    You, my dear, take upon yourself at least part of the responsibility that leaders bear, then speak up, and don’t squeal like a shitty pig. Me too, kitchen geopolitician.

    but he’s right, they stood up, made loud statements, put forward conditions under which negotiations could be resumed. but in the end, it was only necessary to express regret. That's all business. Moreover, the Turks emphasized that this is not an apology. And no compensation for the plane, no compensation for the pilots. We're just sorry that this happened.
    After this, Russia is ready to lift all restrictions. Sorry sight

    We are a Great Country, and such a loud exhaust to nowhere is insulting. Why were they shouting, what were they pumping up? We won’t forgive, we won’t forget... It wasn’t even for the Nuland cookies, but they waved at us and everything was OK. It's a shame for the country!
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  39. 0
    1 July 2016 00: 39
    Quote: Skubudu
    Many people are now thinking

    You post it for everyone to see, well, damn it, check the spelling in textbooks and dictionaries, why be so embarrassed?
  40. +2
    1 July 2016 01: 10
    GDP disappointed me... Oh, and disappointed me... recourse
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  42. +2
    1 July 2016 01: 25


    that's the whole story
  43. -1
    1 July 2016 01: 25
    Quote: arnulla
    I completely agree with you. I’m also shocked by the categoricalness of the commentators.

    Why bother? The United States has allocated several tens of billions of dollars for “democracy” in Russia until 2025. Where did they go? This includes “categorical commentators” who, at the slightest informational occasion, will squeal “everything is bad, everything is screwed up, leaked, there is no respect” in all corners, sticking a portrait of Stalin or the coat of arms of the USSR on their avatar.

    Have you looked into the comments on YouTube and seen what’s going on there? Ryu's creatures, peremoga, Caucasians are killing you, they sold everything to the Chinese - and so on endlessly in a circle under any video.
    Do you think VO has bypassed this? On any popular resource where they don’t clean things up, it’s the same thing now.
    1. +1
      1 July 2016 09: 41
      Yes, this is all clear (what you wrote about). I sinfully believed that the public here is more thoughtful with its head)))
  44. +1
    1 July 2016 07: 02
    What amuses me most is how the military keeps a low profile for this shame.
  45. 0
    1 July 2016 07: 14
    I say again. Something is brewing in Turkey. Namely, a political crisis, and here I think it could not have happened without the United States. What do we want for Türkiye to blaze in a civil war right next to us? Then Syria with its problems is awakened by the squeak of a mosquito. Imagine the anarchy of a civil war in a country with a population of more than 70 million people. And the fact that Erdagan will rock Turkey will not seem enough to anyone. Now about our guys who died in Syria, these are military people, of course it’s a pity for them, but their business is war and risk to die is very great. Let's say they fulfilled their duty to the end with honor and for this they have eternal Glory and Memory.
  46. 0
    1 July 2016 08: 47
    as the author himself wrote to us, we don’t know what the president and the sulanchik discussed for almost an hour. the excuses on the phone are complete nonsense - he even made them on TV. I don’t think that’s why I called. We have seen and heard only formulations in general terms, but we will hardly know what is meant by them and what led to them.
  47. 0
    1 July 2016 09: 00
    Turkey is needed for Russia as Russia is for the Turks, if there is a chance that an agreement can be reached, we must act (what will happen if Turkey leaves NATO is clear to everyone, + the Caucasus, Central Asia will be in silence) Problems in Turkey will definitely affect the Russian Federation and the CIS, but not for the USA (for bases that’s enough, following the example of Kosovo)
  48. -1
    1 July 2016 09: 41
    I haven't looked here for a long time. And now I ran through the comments... not a Censor yet, but on the way. I’m talking about commentators, not authors. The number of cretins and hohlotrols is simply off the charts. Good luck to all the remaining normal people. I'm getting the hell out of here.
  49. -1
    1 July 2016 09: 42
    Politics is an extremely dirty thing, what can you do?
  50. +5
    1 July 2016 10: 18
    Yes... it’s a shame for the GDP that all the steam has gone to waste. In November of that year there were loud statements, and then there was 40 minutes of conversation and everyone was friends. But what about the more than a dozen killed Russian military personnel in Syria that ended up in the hands of militants from Turkey? Is it that now you can kill Russians all around and then apologize and they will “understand and forgive” you? However, in March 2014, the GDP also broadcast about Donbass, that Russians live and if even one shell... so what? Ukrofashists are still killing Russians.
  51. +4
    1 July 2016 10: 48
    We have an authoritarian, manarchic system.
    Whatever the king wanted in the morning, he does.
    And the hack must understand this and consider it genius.
    To make the task easier, there are specially trained people who will explain to you the genius of the Tsar’s decision with the trill of a nightingale.
    The personal interests of the Tsar immediately become “national interests”, “sovereign policy”, etc..
    Therefore, 4 discussion sheets here are a mind game for forum members. who will explain the Tsar’s whim smarter and more plausibly.
    If tomorrow he quarrels again, then exactly the same people will explain it by caring about Russia, genius, and so on.
    But it’s interesting to read... even the debates here... they say everyone sees 50 moves ahead worse than Vanga and Nastradamus, but in strategy they are not smarter and more far-sighted... Well, well. We are waiting for the next genius of the Tsar and will have a good laugh.
    Personally, my life is not getting better...even though a genius rules my country.
    1. 0
      3 July 2016 05: 29
      Quote: Al1977
      Therefore, 4 discussion sheets here are a mind game for forum members. who can explain the Tsar’s whim smarter and more plausibly...

      And not the first time... Yes The more they talk about Putin’s secret plans, the more clear their simple ins and outs become... Or maybe there are no plans at all what For, when the unplanned whims of the Tsar are driven into life, it becomes creepy from the priorities that weigh on him... This kind of folk simplicity of a shirtless guy from the KGB department begins to irritate, because when they live only on future promises... crying
  52. +6
    1 July 2016 11: 16
    I'm in shock. From Erdogan’s statements, he did not apologize, except perhaps only to the pilot’s family for his death, but not to Russia for the downed plane, and he does not intend to pay compensation. But everyone forgives him and tourists are allowed in, even if there are terrorist attacks. Some kind of bullshit. The whole world understands that we can spit.
    1. -4
      1 July 2016 12: 02
      Quote: AntonR7
      But everyone forgives him and tourists are allowed in, even if there are terrorist attacks.

      Can tourists decide for themselves where to go? We seem to have freedom of movement constitutionally enshrined?
      Why weren’t flights to France banned, there were also terrorist attacks there more than once, or Brussels?
      And in the USA? Why not ban flights in the USA for political reasons? After all, the USA is our number one enemy, they are NATO and all that? Is not it so?
  53. 0
    1 July 2016 11: 32
    Volodin disappointed me with this article of his! Far, oh, how far is this Volodin from Ishchenko and Starikov.
  54. +4
    1 July 2016 13: 57
    It’s a bad thing... We don’t need “partners” like Turkey, even if not friends. We always fought with her, they always played dirty tricks on us, whether a hundred years ago, two hundred, or three hundred. They didn’t have faith then, why should they have faith now? In my opinion, we do not need any normalization of relations with Turkey. Normal relations with Turkey for us, as the centuries-old history of our relations shows, is war. And again, Turkey’s policy has not changed during all this time.
    P.S. If someone played a mean trick on you, and then said with an innocent look: “Sorry, it was a mistake...”, how would you react to this?
  55. +2
    1 July 2016 14: 03
    Judging by the number of pros and cons of various posts, one gets the feeling that local forum members just want to fight or conflict with someone.
    1. -1
      2 July 2016 07: 31
      Quote: mathkiller
      Judging by the number of pros and cons of various posts...


      No. We fought and had conflicts for the most what Erdogan's tomatoes. The most unpleasant feeling from cons is their anonymity. There is a link in the site rules that by clicking on a number you will find out who is hidden behind the “-” and who is behind the “+”... request Alas, in reality there is nothing of the kind.

      And the number of minuses in a message’s rating allows you to determine with high accuracy how many who read (or did not read) disagree with you recourse This is not a reason for despondency and self-flagellation, this is a rating of your individuality wink
  56. +3
    1 July 2016 14: 10
    Yes, Putin did something ugly. FOR the Turkish Stream I am ready to risk Russian tourists again and forgive ISIS support. Wrong, Putin, wrong, IMHO...
    Now you can do nasty things to Russia for a simple apology... Now, look, humanitarian aid to the “poor Turks” is quickly organized... And it will cross the Turkish border just like crude oil... in exchange for rest and tomatoes... Shame !!! Shame on V.V. Putin!!!
  57. 0
    1 July 2016 18: 44
    Washington Times: Erdogan's apology is Turkey's complete capitulation
    The Turkish president's decision to express his regrets over the downing of the plane was a "total capitulation" and bolstered Putin's image as a "strong leader," writes Todd Wood in the Washington Times. The main reason that Erdogan “broke” was the real prospect of the emergence of a Kurdish state. Wood also notes that the Turkish president's letter was sent shortly after the Eurosceptic victory in the British referendum: Ankara feels that the power of the EU, which it has so long sought to join, is fading.
    The whole situation clearly shows the weakness of NATO's southern flank and strengthens the image of Putin as a strong ruler. The Kremlin has demonstrated that it will not give in first and is ready to endure any hardship. The same applies to European sanctions: Russia has extended the ban on imports of food products from Europe. And at the same time, Moscow is increasingly confident that sooner and later Europe will surrender.
    Todd Wood writes that Russia has no equal in the game of long-suffering, and Europe cannot beat it. “It’s genetic in them,” writes Wood.
  58. +3
    1 July 2016 19: 58
    By the way, about tomatoes. A friend of mine worked in Turkey at a Russian-speaking maritime agency and, naturally, bought Turkish vegetables and fruits, and in the canteen the employees ate imported lunches from a Turkish company. The friend’s entire face was soon covered with red nodules and hard bumps. Colleagues said: “This water is probably bad.” But upon returning to Russia, he was diagnosed with biliary dyskinesia. That is, there is a lack of bile output to neutralize the toxins eaten. And in Turkish tomatoes there is no shortage of hormonal and chemical ingredients - and not only in tomatoes. Now his face is clean, although he is forced to take care: he only buys vegetables whose origin he knows.
    But, returning to the article, what are our tomatoes and our national pride, even the national interest of Russia, when the interests of Gazprom suffer?
  59. 0
    1 July 2016 20: 21
    Quote: Lyubopyatov
    what our tomatoes and our national pride, even Russia's national interest, when Gazprom's interests suffer?

    - “Russia’s national interest” consists, among other things, of filling the state budget of the Russian Federation
    - from which the budget, in particular, finances the army, state programs, and much, much more
    - Gazprom is one of the main taxpayers in the Russian Federation
    - Gazprom has no sales - there is a hole in the budget, there is not enough money to finance.. um.. all of the above

    But every resident of the Russian Federation will inevitably feel this for themselves. And you personally, including. And, I assure you, you won’t like it very much. Yes

    So - more understandable? fool bar-rans, damn it...
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  61. 0
    2 July 2016 14: 57
    We must understand that the “Brigadier” (GVP) has personal sympathies for various leaders of countries. For example, with the Belarusian President he looks like a dwarf and plays worse hockey. Erdogan is a kind of copy of GDP itself, albeit in a smaller format. Before SU-24 they agreed on various issues. VVP felt that the Turkish president was still more independent than all the “trash” from Europe. We have the same problems: the Turks have Kurdish terrorism, we have North Caucasian terrorism. We have the same pressure levers, I mean power levers. We can arm the Kurds, they are the Dags (as they did successfully during the second Chechen war). There is no need to overlook the factor of Azerbaijan and Armenia. Who will be on which side? It's a better "thin" world now. And it is still unclear whether our bomber flew into Turkish territory or not?
    Somehow the “mediocre” opening of the “black” boxes did not give an answer. Our media hushed up the matter. Everything will be decided by the meeting in Sochi. And the GDP understands perfectly well that Erdogan is capable of violating the Montreux Doctrine. And the West, as always, will turn a blind eye to this.
  62. 0
    2 July 2016 17: 08
    Oh-ho-ho. Just yesterday Erdogan and his family were not accused of anything. And in trade with ISIS, in the supply of weapons to this terrorist organization and in many other crimes. Well, even in the Kremlin they demanded an apology and payment of compensation for the downed plane and the killed Russian pilot.
    As a result, Turkey, represented by Erdogan, never apologized for the downed Russian SU-24 and the killed pilot. And he's not even going to apologize. It was only on TV that Turkey apologized, and Erdogan allegedly crawled to Putin on his knees. In fact, we have been presented with yet another scam. Turkey has demonstrated to the whole world that you can calmly shoot down Russian planes, and nothing will happen to you for it. On the contrary, a lot of good things will happen. Here are just a few of them.
    For example, Ankara received the lifting of the ban on Russian tourists visiting Turkey. Who will happily rush there and save her tourism business from ruin. According to experts, about 40% of Russian citizens will go to Turkish resorts. (What about Crimea and Sochi?).
    And at the same time, they will finance Turkey’s supply of weapons to Syrian militants with their own money. It was also reported that Turkey will soon receive gas discounts from Gazprom. And it will be able to resell Russian blue fuel to third countries at a higher price. In return, Erdogan promises to allow Gazprom to build the Turkish Stream at its own expense. There are also other benefits for Turkey from this deal.
    In short, as in the song of the plump Lolita: “Su-su-su, bang bang-bang, together again, close again.”
    It’s becoming a shame for the state.....
    1. 0
      2 July 2016 21: 34
      We must also remember that the SAR shot down an F-4 over Latakia recently. And she shot down an American AWACS plane in 1982, generally in neutral waters. How many times have the SAR and the IDF beaten each other over the past five years? Imagine a map of the Middle East, where you can’t fly to another State everywhere. During the “pacification” of the Gaza Strip, Syrian MIG-29s simply circled over Lebanon on takeoff, and there Hezbollah was shot at with Merkav grenade launchers. So the Israeli F-16s made a U-turn over the demilitarized zone in the Golans. Everything is very cramped there.
  63. 0
    2 July 2016 20: 49
    In the process of getting off the oil and gas needle, Russia continues to cost new pipelines.
    1. 0
      2 July 2016 22: 53
      What else can you do if Nabiullina Elvira said that the Central Bank is cutting the budget, including for education. At the St. Petersburg forum. Why do we need programmers and engineers? There are enough oil workers. Moreover, all the equipment is imported. Sanctions are sanctions, and payments in foreign currency must be on time.
      1. 0
        2 July 2016 23: 02
        Quote: rruvim
        What else to do if Nabiullina Elvira said that the Central Bank is cutting the budget, including for education

        - yah? And will you provide a link? (I can’t find this on the internet for some reason)
        - by the way, the Central Bank cannot “cut the budget” laughing

        Quote: rruvim
        Why do we need programmers and engineers? There are enough oil workers. Moreover, all the equipment is imported. Sanctions are sanctions, and payments in foreign currency must be on time.

        - Are we trying to troll? Nu-nu...
        1. -1
          3 July 2016 01: 14
          “The short-term goal is to adapt budget policy to new challenges, to a new level of oil prices, and so on, so that in the medium term, budget policy is predictable and does not raise questions among market participants in the form of an uncontrolled growth of public debt, or a possible increase in taxes, or equity financing," she said.
          In more detail, for example, expenses for the Development of Education program will be reduced by 9,1%, for the Health Development program - by 16%, compared to the current year, the ambulance development subprogram will be reduced by 34%, the subprogram disease prevention and development of primary care – by 42%.
          1. 0
            3 July 2016 01: 42
            Colleague...

            Quote: rruvim
            “The short-term goal is to adapt budget policy to new challenges, to a new level of oil prices, and so on, so that in the medium term, budget policy is predictable and does not raise questions among market participants in the form of an uncontrolled growth of public debt, or a possible increase in taxes, or equity financing," she said.

            - this is really Nabiullina
            - but there are no “cuts” there even close No.


            But this, for example -

            Quote: rruvim
            expenses for the Education Development program will be reduced by 9,1%

            - it's from here:


            , is not it? If so, then you are presenting the material somewhat biasedly. Because this is information from last year, and there is not only a reduction, there is also

            At the same time it is planned to increase funding for the federal target program “Russian Language” by 3,5 times for 2016–2020 — from 315,2 million rubles. this year to 1,13 billion rubles. in 2016

            Provide links to avoid... um... misunderstandings negative
        2. -1
          3 July 2016 01: 21
          By the way, the Central Bank cannot cut the budget; it can pursue a monetary policy such that the government (Ministry of Finance), together with the Duma and the Federation Council, will cut the budget. If an accountant in your “office” says that there is no money, then the “office” driver will not fill up with gasoline with all the ensuing consequences.
          1. 0
            3 July 2016 01: 51
            Quote: rruvim
            By the way, the Central Bank cannot cut the budget, it can pursue a monetary policy such that the government (Ministry of Finance), together with the Duma and the Federation Council, will cut the budget

            By the way, the Central Bank is completely controlled by the National Banking Council of the Russian Federation, which has representatives

            - from the government
            - from the State Duma
            - from SF
            - from the President of the Russian Federation

            And without the approval of this Council, the Central Bank cannot sneeze or fart.


            Somehow Yes

            PS: Don’t tell me that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not subordinate to the state and is generally controlled by the Federal Reserve. I'll bite wink
  64. +1
    3 July 2016 05: 26
    Greek proverb: "If the Turks talk about peace, prepare for war."
  65. 0
    14 July 2016 12: 40
    It’s hard to say whether it’s a multi-pass or not. There is still a feeling of resentment - yes. It's like they spat on my soul. But this is the government. But why did our people rush to Turkey with joyful cries?! What do people have? don't have your own head on your shoulders? Should the president think for them too? I think that those who have gone and will go to Turkey are unprincipled scoundrels, they have nothing sacred. You never know what they decided up there, but the people don’t have their own opinion? does that mean we are all corrupt? They lured us in with a cheap price - and they fooled everyone! everyone wants a beautiful life! - then there is no point in looking for thieves and embezzlers in the ranks of our officials and deputies, they are also people and also want to live beautifully, only they also have the opportunity for this.