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Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..

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The phrase “we live in an interesting time” turns into something utterly banal and erased. Eight months ago, the presidential replica “you won’t get rid of tomatoes alone” with regard to Turkey, which shot down the Russian Su-24 bomber, as if hinted that Erdogan is unlikely to get off with tomatoes. And seemingly only sedatives news the plots of Channel 1 separated Russia from the great war with Mr., who played with Sultan’s ambitions.

And now - about a miracle ... Just one letter, just a couple of pseudo-excitatory remarks and a dozen four minutes of telephone conversations, and ... Did Recep get off with tomatoes? ..

Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..


The news of the upcoming personal meeting between Vladimir Putin and Erdogan is one, there are two statements about following the path to normalizing relations, and three restrictions have been lifted by Russia on Russian tourists traveling to Turkish coast. A few days ago, the previously detected terrorist trail of ISIS and its ties with individual officials from the Turkish apparatus did not allow Russians to rest in Turkey, and now, you know, even a terrorist attack at the airport of the country's largest city, when a whole group of militants, allows you to open rest in Erdogan’s estate turned the air harbor into a bloodstained territory. In general, logic ...

And according to this logic, it is not at all clear by whom the ordinary Russian average citizen will now represent the president of Turkey, who was still unsubstantiated yesterday (including the Turkish media themselves) accused of dealing with terrorist groups. Just yesterday, talking about the likely normalization of relations with Turkey, something like this was heard: “Only without Erdogan!” And now, it seems, it's okay ... Well, I turned a blind eye to the crossing weapons the militants in the north of Syria and smuggling of crude oil by igilovtsami from the Syrian fields - indeed, who does not happen ...

No, of course, economic ties, promising billions in revenues to the budget, need to be taken into account. Here and Akkuyu nuclear power plant, and the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, and all the same Turkish tomatoes ... And, apparently, they took into account. But who after this remained in a rather clean suit? There is an opinion that with their “excuse me” and, as it were, “did what they did,” the suit quickly launders, not without Russian help, the very Erdogan who was accused of all mortal sins just now. It must be that now the Turkish President himself, who in the Russian media was somewhere between a fascist, terrorist number one and a failed sultan, wonders how Russia will continue to build relations with such as he.

And if these relations are restored as quickly as Mr. Erdogan ruined them with a blow to the Su-24, then it's time to ask whether this is not a dangerous precedent? Indeed, in fact, any distraught “strategist” who will decide to open confrontation with Russia can now get away with “tomatoes”. Undoubtedly, the author can be blamed for excessive conspiracy and absurd interpretations (I would even be happy if this were the case), but such a dramatic difference in degree from minus to plus in relations not even with Turkey itself, but with Mr. Erdogan is quite capable of becoming an a priori indulgence for future provocations and provocateurs against Russia. I would like it not to, but whether the “friends and partners” of Russia will perceive this correctly ...

For obvious reasons, the press service of the Kremlin does not publish a transcript of a telephone conversation between two presidents. But you can try to assume that Mr. Erdogan, as the modern youth says, sculpted excuses. They say that it is not he who is to blame for everything, and that he was generally framed ... What he did not give an order to strike a Russian plane, has nothing to do with sending weapons to Dzhebhat an-Nusra militants in Aleppo area, he did not give orders to iron from long-range artillery the Syrian government troops, who are pushing terrorists in the north of Latakia, did not merge the investigation into the execution of the Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov. In general, clean aki angel ...

And, if we consider only the outer shell of what is happening, then, it turns out, the Russian president believed it. Well, or at least pretended to believe.

Well, okay, tomatoes, okay, Turkish construction projects together with Turkish foremen ... But after all, hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, sorry for inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey with joyful hoots and shouts of “Hurray! All-inclusive returns ... ”After all, we have (and everywhere) a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the mini-bar and animator Mustafa, dancing in a suit of Mickey Mouse, in a Turkish hotel are ready to shut their eyes to the bloody terrorist acts in Istanbul , and the civil war in the east of Turkey, and the fact that in the Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of civilians in Syria. They are simply far from politics, and this is not a reproach, but the usual statement of fact. What is Syria, what is oil? - Give us a Turkish cut of fruits and vegetables and a cheap Turkish fur coat ...

The logic of such people is the same: “This will not affect us. This is generally far from the beaches. ”

And if the Russian authorities decided that she did not want to be a nurse for such an unbearable child, then another question arises: what was the impact? Is it possible that a couple of words of “Sultan” Erdogan, who now clearly kicked the ball on the Russian side and are awaiting how Russia will dispose of the ball? So far, again outwardly, we rush with this ball to our own goal. And even the portraits of the dead Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozychnich stop noticing behind the billboards of the “Turkish Stream” and all the same Akkuyu NPP? ..

In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of the head and raise the eyebrows higher with an “all-encompassing” thought looking for a way out: “If only for a multi-step ... Well, at least multi-flow” ...
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  1. PKK
    PKK 30 June 2016 06: 21
    .
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.
    1. The black
      The black 30 June 2016 06: 23
      +123
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 30 June 2016 06: 34
        +183
        Quote: Black
        Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!


        Yes, Putin did ugly, even Turkey didn’t suffer even with tomatoes.
        FOR THE TURKISH STREAM, I am ready to risk Russian tourists again and forgive ISIS support. Now, obviously, caravans of oil across the Turkish border, the videoconferencing will cease to be seen. He puts his head under eternal blackmail by a pipe to the Turks, and these are no worse than ukrov.
        Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 30 June 2016 07: 24
          +47
          It seems to me that the matter here is not entirely in Turkey ... At least, on the example of Erdogan, Europe shows that Russia’s requirements must be fulfilled and this is useful. The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union. And on a personal level, Erdogan will always be a personal enemy of GDP. This does not say goodbye. We will wait.
          1. vvv-73
            vvv-73 30 June 2016 10: 45
            +8
            Yes, it is still unknown what Erdogan actually had to pay to restore relations. Putin, as you know, loves backstage deals, so they won’t tell us how it really happened.
          2. varov14
            varov14 30 June 2016 10: 53
            +5
            In an information war, you need to calculate the future consequences, if you do one thing, but in your mind you have other goals, think before bringing it to the public. Now the situation is completely stupid, how to interpret it: a concession, a vital necessity, a thirst for dough from the sponsored oligarchs. They plunge into the "Turkish Stream", but we really need it, or there is little money to settle in foreign bins, some questions after their processing of our weak minds, d.u.a.k.i., someone so fighting for the minds of the electorate, so trust, sheer lies.
          3. Alex777
            Alex777 30 June 2016 12: 09
            +6
            Quote: Thrall
            It seems to me that the matter here is not entirely in Turkey ... At least, on the example of Erdogan, Europe shows that Russia’s requirements must be fulfilled and this is useful. The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union. And on a personal level, Erdogan will always be a personal enemy of GDP. This does not say goodbye. We will wait.


            I fully agree that the addressee of "reconciliation" is Europe.
            Sarkozy came with a proposal to us to cancel counter-sanctions. Like you are the first, and we will support. I thought very smart.
            As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
            - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
            - 5% - have not decided yet,
            - 87% - in no case.
            Europe - a signal, the Russians - a reduction in prices for all the tops, the Sultan - almost nothing. So far, such a picture.
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 30 June 2016 14: 01
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
              - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
              - 5% - have not decided yet,
              - 87% - in no case.

              Can I link to the survey?
              They will not break for one reason, poverty wins, there is no money.
              Without a survey, I predict the majority of the population who stayed at home, went to the cottage, on low-cost routes in Russia, etc.
              People do not care Turkey or horseradish. they decide all the money .. at least in Moscow.
              It will be cheap - I’ll go to Turkey, the horse price tag - I’ll look at other places.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 30 June 2016 21: 07
                +3
                Quote: Al1977
                Quote: Alex777
                As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
                - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
                - 5% - have not decided yet,
                - 87% - in no case.

                Can I link to the survey?
                They will not break for one reason, poverty wins, there is no money.
                Without a survey, I predict the majority of the population who stayed at home, went to the cottage, on low-cost routes in Russia, etc.
                People do not care Turkey or horseradish. they decide all the money .. at least in Moscow.
                It will be cheap - I’ll go to Turkey, the horse price tag - I’ll look at other places.


                The survey was conducted on the air of Radio Russia.
                However, a similar poll was quoted tonight.
                4 categories. the total interest is the same:
                - 48% will not go because of security,
                - 30% - fundamentally political.
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 1 July 2016 11: 40
                  -3
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The survey was conducted on the air of Radio Russia.
                  However, a similar poll was quoted tonight.

                  I conducted a "survey" among my friends. 90% said "we will look at the prices."
                  If a person plans a vacation for "political reasons" - he needs to be treated.
                  As for security ... Maybe then children should not be sent to camps?
                  Do you know how many in Moscow per year died on the road? Urgently need to sell cars ...
                  I’m not trying to convince you, just to express an opinion that the audience of Radio Russia is not the opinion of the Russians. You spend on the Echo of Moscow, there will be other results.
                  In fact, a vacation in Turkey compares favorably with ours. although Egypt is closer to me, the sea is better there. But in Crimea-Sochi - noooooo, in terms of ... the price / quality ratio is inferior.
                  I would like to both Croatia and the Maldives / Dominican Republic ... but money is only for Turkey, China is far away, Thailand is far away ..
              2. Makk
                Makk 30 June 2016 21: 13
                -1
                It will be cheap - I will go to Turkey

                Nizhny Novgorod-Simferopol economy from 16500 one way, as it were, suggest a solution. There were 10000 last year.
          4. volot-voin
            volot-voin 30 June 2016 14: 16
            +6
            Quote: Thrall
            The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union.

            An attempt to tear Turkey away from the US and the EU while they are offended by it. Ugly, and when are political games beautiful? like the politicians themselves? In politics, often interests become higher than resentment.
            To me personally, the pardon of Turkey seems premature, the Commander-in-Chief perhaps knows better.
            Remember who your main enemy is
            It is difficult to discuss such issues on emotions, time will tell. Both the support of the domestic agricultural producer and tourism within the country will certainly suffer, and the gas transportation system (possibly) will benefit, and Rosatom will also benefit. Moreover, a "slippery friend" is worse than an enemy.
          5. icy
            icy 30 June 2016 14: 18
            +4
            Can Turkish caravans also not bomb in Syria, leave Syria and the Mediterranean Sea?
          6. Serega82
            Serega82 30 June 2016 18: 07
            +12
            On the example of Erdogan to Europe, and to the whole world, your politicians have shown how much they value the lives of their citizens. For several months, the Turks showed everyone that you can shoot down Russian planes, equip weapons and train bandits who kill civilians in Syria, the Syrian military and all the same Russian citizens. The Turks showed the whole world that any country can oppose Russia. In this example, the whole world saw how hastily the Russian leadership reconciled with Erdogan and realized that the main thing for Russians was benefit, not the opinion of their own citizens, who had been told for several months what kind of bad guys Turks strive to stab in the back, kill Russian citizens, support igil, invaded Syria. With such a soft and compliant opinion in foreign policy, Russia will never be able to resist tough and stubborn Americans in everything that concerns their interests, who clearly contributed to this pacification. Soon, and this is obvious, we will see a change in the opinion of Russia on Syria, in which now many are perplexed by such maneuvers in Russian-Turkish relations. Money rules the world. It's a shame ...
        2. pv1005
          pv1005 30 June 2016 07: 48
          +13
          FOR Turkish stream is ready and Russian tourists risk again

          Excuse me, is Putin personally driving these tourists to Turkey personally, or are they still willing to go there on their own?
          After all, we have (and everywhere) a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the minibar and for animator Mustafa dancing in a Mickey Mouse costume in a Turkish hotel, are ready to turn a blind eye to the bloody terrorist attacks in Istanbul and the civil war, which goes to the east of Turkey, and the fact that in Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of Syrian civilians. They are simply far from politics, and this is not reproached, but the usual statement of fact. What kind of Syria, what kind of oil? - Give us a Turkish cut of fruits and vegetables and a cheap Turkish fur coat ...

          And unfortunately there are many of them.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 30 June 2016 08: 32
            +20
            Quote: pv1005
            Excuse me, is Putin personally driving these tourists to Turkey personally, or are they still willing to go there on their own?

            Putin himself personally ordered the lifting of restrictions on tourism!
            What else do you need?
            That Putin made trips to Turkey for free?
            Do not doubt! Will go and so. Yes, even as they go!
            Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich! Thanks to your efforts, soon all Russia will have Turkish tomatoes! Listen, maybe Volodya just gets sick? Maybe you need to check it? He began to make too tricky moves!
            Well, in no way did I expect all this from our president! It doesn’t fit in my head! Some kind of clinic ...
            1. varov14
              varov14 30 June 2016 11: 30
              +3
              No, everything has been calculated correctly, at the "request" of the people, the Turkish coast is open, now the "working" people will bask in the warm sun and who have matured in September will vote as they should. And the life of our rhetoricians will follow the same course, we have sweet speeches, they have rolls from the oven, all with their own interests.
            2. kepmor
              kepmor 30 June 2016 13: 43
              +8
              Putin's abolition of restrictions on tourism with Turks is just a "balm for the soul" for the thugs of the Isis!
              There is no need to look for "Russians", they themselves will crawl in droves, and our government will make a gift for the suicide bombs to please the "friend" Erdogan!
              And the fact that "trampled in crowds" is 100%, because. neither Sochi, nor Crimea "and did not stand next to" Kemer and Belek for the price and comfort!
              Such a gesture of "goodwill" towards the Turks is nothing more than a complete disregard for the safety and lives of our compatriots on the part of our government!
              But then condolences will be handed out and mourning will be introduced ... maybe you shouldn't, Mr. President, play "Russian roulette" ?!
          2. Air defense SSH
            Air defense SSH 30 June 2016 08: 39
            +6
            It’s too early to talk about the Turkish tourist boom, especially after the Istanbul airport - an example of Egypt, and we have no control with Egypt ... Now a lot of bureaucracy will begin, and those who flew to Turkey so no one even canceled the aeroflot until the last moment.
        3. kepmor
          kepmor 30 June 2016 08: 04
          +7
          What new do you want from Putin?
          He acted as always ... treacherously in relation to his country, to the memory of the dead!
          The situation with the SU-24 does not remind you, dear members of the forum, the alignment with the Kursk - "... she drowned ..."!
          Stalin also tried to make friends with Hitler ... how did this friendship end, I hope everyone remembers?
          I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 30 June 2016 10: 12
            +11
            Quote: kepmor
            I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!

            Hard work for them !!! If I were in their place, I wouldn't go to work! I got sick! I flew on vacation! At worst, he "buried" my grandmother.
            With what interesting face do these gentlemen inform us of the new successes of our esteemed presidential?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 30 June 2016 11: 02
              -2
              Quote: Stas157
              If I were in their place, I wouldn't go to work! I got sick! I flew on vacation! At worst, my grandmother was "buried

              - that’s why you are still not the President (and thank God) laughing

              But in general - I’m bullshit from the local horse of Tingent: in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information, to stick so many comments - you have to wink

              Nothing personal hi
              1. region58
                region58 30 June 2016 11: 50
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information, stick so many comments - it’s necessary to be able to

                In, in addition to catchy headlines, there is no information. Well, knowing the current paparazzi (the language does not turn out to be called journalists), one must believe anything carefully. In addition, if Erdogan made concessions, God himself ordered to take advantage of the situation and squeeze the maximum out of it, anyone can see it from his little bell tower, and the Kremlin will have a bell tower higher than ours ...
                So we gain patience, and, as they say, we will look ...
                1. Makk
                  Makk 30 June 2016 21: 22
                  0
                  The bell tower of the Kremlin will be higher than ours ...

                  Well, this is well known ... regularly flies from there.
              2. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 1 July 2016 10: 17
                +1
                you know brother but exactly
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information

                the whole trick is that there are still no clear explanations for our bosses, and apparently it is not expected ... No. and based on the foregoing:
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                stick so many comments - it’s necessary to be able to

                nothing personal. hi
          2. Forest
            Forest 30 June 2016 14: 09
            +7
            1) With "Kursk" - what in general could we oppose NATO in the early 2000s? A couple of hundred tanks without DZ? In those years, at Batey, the air regiment was given 8 tons of fuel per month. And the Su-27 takes more than 9 tons from the PTB.
            2) In the 40, Stalin delayed the war, and the USSR concluded the agreements with Germany in general, after the whole horde of Europeans.
          3. Al1977
            Al1977 30 June 2016 17: 14
            +2
            Quote: kepmor
            I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!

            They are already wailing. "Putin's brilliant foresight" and all that. And also 50 "experts" in a single impulse admire the genius of our time.
            Have you really understood the essence of our TV on this site?
        4. Azitral
          Azitral 30 June 2016 08: 48
          .
          I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.
          1. Hon
            Hon 30 June 2016 09: 13
            +10
            Quote: Azitral
            I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.

            apologies The Turks said that they did not apologize for anything, and reinforce this by not intending to pay compensation.
          2. razmik72
            razmik72 30 June 2016 09: 25
            +26
            Quote: Azitral
            I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.

            What apologies, dear, it was only on Russian TV that Mr. Erdogan apologized, and for the rest of the world, he conveyed condolences to the family of the deceased pilot. I am personally afraid of the ease with which the Russian leadership rushes from one extreme to the other.
            1. Old
              Old 30 June 2016 12: 09
              +10
              The Russian leadership rushes from one extreme to another. [/ Quote]
              That's for sure. Nothing prevented a pause. Looks cheap. Definitely!
          3. mult-65
            mult-65 30 June 2016 20: 54
            +2
            His face twitched - ours. Unfortunately.
        5. Rus2012
          Rus2012 30 June 2016 09: 04
          +4
          Quote: Aleksander
          Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 30 June 2016 09: 33
            +8
            ... here I wrote long, did not pass ... :(

            I repeat.
            It's not even about GDP ...
            The next round of the "Big Game" is underway in BlVostok. Those who don't know about BI can google it ...

            The situation is as follows - Turkey in BI is an object, not a subject, like Syria, Iraq and others. It finally came to Erdogan.

            RF is a subject.
            Because Turkey is an object, it has been instructed by the West to fight the Russian Federation. This is understandable ...
            The Turks still managed to refuse. And if they were against it, they were promised to destroy the country like Libya. By the forces of the Kurds and daish ...

            Erdogan bore the guilt of VVP. As you know, "a guilty head - a sword does not cut" ...
            Well and everything else.

            We need Turkey in the BlVostok, in the near future and to a minimum - "peaceful". To the maximum - "allied". This is where negotiations are underway on the terms ...

            For what?
            That there was no threat of war with them. World Cup neutral and strait. Put an end to the "NATO flotilla" in the World Cup.

            "Allied" means leaving NATO and joining the SCO ... and the EAEU ...
            China - FOR!
            1. Hope1960
              Hope1960 30 June 2016 10: 02
              +3
              Agree. NATO is concentrating in Poland - we do not need a second front with Turkey. And I would like to get into a pose, but a compromise is needed. "The East is a tricky business", we have not forgotten anything! But soon, it seems, Clintons will be elected, and she is not friends with her head at all, plus the crazy Erdogan is too much. We need to tame someone.
            2. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 30 June 2016 13: 49
              +3
              What a fright Erdogan will leave NATO. Have you eaten from the morning?
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 30 June 2016 18: 00
                0
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                What a fright Erdogan will leave NATO. Have you eaten from the morning?

                The Tambov Wolf, here is this - "what have you eaten since the morning" - an insult and an open hint of inferiority, is not it? I'm not even familiar with you. :(

                Oh well, forgive your problems ...

                And as for the exit, think for yourself -
                1. The EU does not accept. Now even the introduction is becoming irrelevant.
                2. They do not provide military assistance. But at the same time, they are secretly pushing to fight with Russia in the back.
                3. The same "people from behind the scenes" threaten to tear the country apart (Kurdish question) for disobedience, see paragraph 2

                On the other hand -
                China needs stability on one of the branches of the Silk Road. Russia - stability and predictability at the World Cup.
                This is what catches the eye. And there are even more arguments for Turkey to join the SCO and the EAEU ...
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 30 June 2016 19: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  And about

                  /// according to the latest information from Turkey -
                  Erdogan's apologies and attack on the airport

                  The matter was not limited to words, as it turned out, R. Erdogan sent a delegation of negotiators to Moscow - former senior officials of the Turkish special services and retired military personnel. Only retirees went to parliament as Putin, he did not let the current chief of military intelligence at the last minute. Negotiators flew a tricky charter flight. Here in the morning, back in the evening.
                  ...
                  Accurate to the estimated time of the return of parliamentarians home to Istanbul Ataturk Airport and An attack by armed and professionally trained people occurred.
                  ...
                  From the information leaked to the media, it is known that the attack was committed on the departure lounge of international flights. At the entrance to the hall, the airport security did not let in some people who threw grenades towards the conveyor belt and started firing.
                  ...
                  All local reporters who reported the dry facts from the scene without realizing it, They gave a clear picture for the experts: well-trained army special forces operated at the Istanbul airport, and not amateur terrorists from the RKK or ISIS.

                  The operation was not prepared in advance, just went on an assault, ran into the guards who met the parliamentarians and a skirmish ensued.
                  ...
                  And there were no “suicide bombers” and no “belts” in the terminal in the first messages of correspondents and eyewitnesses. For the first half hour, news agencies broadcast truthful information from the scene.
                  Something too many PMCs have divorced in Turkey lately ...
                  ...
                  If R. Erdogan does not refuse his apology during the night, then perhaps he should be excused. After a shootout at a native airport, only a very brave man can continue to bend his line ...

                  T. Volkova
                  http://pravosudija.net/article/izvineniya-erdogana-i-napadenie-na-aeroport

                  And you all - "the limit ... sold ... leaked"
                  1. Tambov Wolf
                    Tambov Wolf 30 June 2016 20: 33
                    +2
                    Interestingly, and the PMC, as you write, whose was it? Really ours or amerikosovskaya? Then it's really bad. Or you insert some kind of Volkova, which no one can call her, like another "blogger". Believe in fairy tales and so on.
                    1. Rus2012
                      Rus2012 30 June 2016 21: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Tambov Wolf
                      .Or you insert some sort of Volkova

                      ... and meanwhile T.Vlkova is an aunt who is informed and has connections in the special services of many countries. As a rule, it is used to drain something ...
                      Here are other sources -
                      http://alex-leshy.livejournal.com

                      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/327426-nadana-fridrihson-v-turcii-hotya
                      t-ubrat-erdogana-s-posta-prezidenta.html

                      As for PMCs - they are in Turkey as a dagger of uncircumcised, and as a rule Western ones (Pasha himself admitted at the beginning of events in Syria).
                  2. region58
                    region58 1 July 2016 00: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    according to the latest information from Turkey

                    It’s interesting, if ISIS and Erdogan are rooting, why would they make a terrorist attack?
                    Option one: this is not ISIS.
                    Option two: ISIS didn’t really like something.
                    There is something to think about ...
                  3. Barnaul, Altai
                    Barnaul, Altai 2 July 2016 07: 53
                    0
                    Something I, dear Rus2012,
                    I didn’t understand at all from your quoted article ...
                    By logic and chronology, does Erdogan organize an attack on the airport?
                    In order to disrupt negotiations with Moscow for himself?
                    After all, it has long been known that he has a conflict with the security forces. And, the same military for peace with Russia. This means another conclusion: the siloviki themselves are not interested in disrupting the negotiations without Erdogan.
                    This I mean that you at least decipher, why these incoherent facts about the terrorist attack at the airport? Otherwise, why quote, what did you quote?
                    1. Rus2012
                      Rus2012 2 July 2016 10: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Barnaul, Altai
                      I didn’t understand at all from your quoted article ...

                      /// the fact is that Turkey has special forces from third countries - uninterested in normalizing relations between Russia and Turkey ...

                      Yes, and all the attacks taking place there, also something very good. unlike Daish’s actions.
                      The meaning of these attacks is to push the Ottoman authorities in the direction necessary for these third countries ...
              2. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 1 July 2016 10: 22
                0
                Apparently the fungi have grown up! wink
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            4. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 1 July 2016 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              "Allied" means leaving NATO and joining the SCO ... and the EAEU ...

              fresh tradition, but hard to believe!
              I didn’t say read the classics. when did the Turks keep their word? I don’t remember something for the past 300 years.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 1 July 2016 10: 33
                0
                Quote: Viktor Demchenko
                when did the Turks keep their word? I don’t remember something for the last 300 years.

                Of the latter -
                ... Ottomans already over 50let almost regularly perform the role of a member of NATO. At the very least, but do it. What will prevent them from being the same members in the SCO and the EAEU?

                And by the way, I’ll remind you once again if you don’t read VO -

                But it didn’t make sense to forget - "the Ottomans only understand the stick"from old Slavonic ...


                This is for the fact that it's time ALREADY to learn to us use visual management tools in foreign policy in the form of - carrot & stick!
                And it seems that training is going in the right direction ...
        6. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 30 June 2016 09: 38
          +3
          I agree completely. Unexpectedly and incomprehensibly mild reaction of the president.
        7. Vladimir Anatolyevich
          Vladimir Anatolyevich 30 June 2016 10: 21
          +3
          Putin has not yet taken any retaliatory action ... but he is no longer right ...
        8. Blackscorp
          Blackscorp 30 June 2016 16: 10
          +6
          In this situation, I would not draw hasty conclusions that Putin is right or wrong:
          1. The author is not quite right talking about the term, "4 dozen minutes", "a couple of lengthy statements", etc. I've been talking for a long time, but what they show us on the news is what we WANT to show
          2. There are certain statements from the Turkish side as well as from our side, but these are still statements, "prepare", "develop", etc. There are no specific steps.
          3. I think that all concessions from our side will go in exchange for Syria. Those. this is the abolition of assistance to Turkey "militants", the closure of the border. This is at least. Erdogan's situation is now very unenviable, Kurdistan is growing brightly in Syria and Iraq, and in the future in Turkey, a real war in eastern Turkey, terrorist attacks, a drop in tourist traffic and a general economic recession. Erdogan has nowhere to go. I think we'll take advantage of this.
          4. if everything is as I wrote, then in the near future it is worth waiting for a strong change in the situation in Syria, namely a big movement of CAA.

          That’s briefly, you have to run ..
        9. Shpagolom
          Shpagolom 30 June 2016 17: 39
          +2
          Think Putin decided .. did! Let’s look at the patriotism of citizens who will flock to warm beaches, how they will buy Turkish tomatoes and not domestic ones, how companies will (will not) invite Turkish workers, and so on! Much depends on the people, and not on the ruler, at least in a question to adequately answer Turkey, we at the people have significant, effective levers and ways!
        10. starshina78
          starshina78 30 June 2016 19: 15
          -1
          Bravo, Aleksander! I fully support you! Blown away, blown away! Maybe buddies dropping grandmas have run over, maybe someone else has run over? Only here the rating suffered - that's for sure! and there was nothing to make a terrible face and speak with metal in a voice about the bitter retribution of Erdogan, for the insults inflicted on Russia.
        11. PKK
          PKK 30 June 2016 19: 28
          -1
          Does this hte write here that Putin is wrong? Probably a cool politician from Texas? Only they know the theory of global governance much better than Putin!
        12. Douel
          Douel 1 July 2016 01: 00
          +4
          Do Russians drive a stick to Turkey? And in the former scenario, the herds of tourists traveled through Minsk and nothing interfered.
          And everyone seems to have eyes, TV shows that in Turkey there is a civil war, bearded hares flee in numbers. Mind do not want to have a good time in Egypt and Turkey? Well, since there is no mind, consider a cripple. Regretfully.

          To the question, would I go to Turkey? Answer I would not go before the story of the SU-24, but now even more so. Altai Karelia and others. We have a lot of beautiful and good places.
        13. cyberhanter
          cyberhanter 1 July 2016 12: 34
          0
          If a politician strives to ensure that all neighbors suffer, for his mistakes and will not reach out to establish relations, then at some point there will be no relations.
        14. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 1 July 2016 13: 08
          +4
          Quote: Black
          Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!


          Yes, Putin did ugly, even Turkey didn’t suffer even with tomatoes.
          FOR THE TURKISH STREAM, I am ready to risk Russian tourists again and forgive ISIS support. Now, obviously, caravans of oil across the Turkish border, the videoconferencing will cease to be seen. He puts his head under eternal blackmail by a pipe to the Turks, and these are no worse than ukrov.
          Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...


          disgusting at heart ... compared to Ukraine, which is consistent in its hatred of Russia, fought for Savchenko and returned home, our government officials do not even think about the country's image and how ordinary citizens feel ... and these are our media like mongrel - they poured mud over the Turks, and now they will urgently lick! loot steers as always. No one is against the normalization of relations, but you can’t make yourself a laughing stock of the whole world - a couple of phrases and right there in a few days, the enemy-Turk turns ... turns ... generally turned ... You do not have to pretend to be a defeated enemy (although here another question is whether he was defeated, most likely this is an Ottoman trick), but to throw himself into a hug at such a speed is not very decent, although what am I talking about ... the Englishman Dunning said this in the 19th century -
          "... with 300 percent there is no crime that capital would not risk, even if only on pain of the gallows."
        15. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 1 July 2016 13: 17
          0
          High politics! Higher matters! But the soul is not good. It’s somehow not right! Tomatoes, Mustafa - peace - friendship - corn ... Was Russia scared? ...
        16. Will give
          Will give 1 July 2016 21: 16
          0
          I agree, Putin V.V. is wrong. With a reservation, according to the information of which we own. But it seems to me that we don’t know much (probably we don’t know). Therefore, I don’t want to draw such a conclusion.
      2. satelit24
        satelit24 30 June 2016 06: 47
        +19
        (Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this crap? Take care of Russia's honor!)

        late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off
      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 30 June 2016 07: 09
        +36
        Quote: Black
        Take care of the honor of Russia!
        Well, firstly, when the state system is oligarchic capitalism, it is stupid to declare such intangible concepts as some kind of "honor", "dignity", etc. What is profitable is also moral.
        Secondly, the USSR until June 22, 1941, too, actively traded and economically collaborated with fascist Germany. And Hitler was worse than Erdogan, agree. However, we do not consider such actions of the Soviet Union immoral.
        And also, by the way about Russian tourists. If there are imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day, then they will rest there without any prohibitions or permits. This is how they go through Minsk to Turechchina now. But this is their personal choice and personal hemorrhoids.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 30 June 2016 08: 43
          +10
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          about Russian tourists. If there are already imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day

          If, before, imbeciles went to Turkey, now Putin has told EVERYONE to go! And I didn’t forget about the attack! Said nonsense! His friend, Erdogan promised to ensure safety! Ah, Putin believes friends!
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 30 June 2016 08: 52
            -2
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            about Russian tourists. If there are already imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day

            If, before, imbeciles went to Turkey, now Putin has told EVERYONE to go! And I didn’t forget about the attack! Said nonsense! His friend, Erdogan promised to ensure safety! Ah, Putin believes friends!

            Well, okay, let's say Putin dumped Vanka, but do you have a head on your shoulders or are you just eating into it? And yes, the word POSSIBLE in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE does not mean MANDATORY.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 30 June 2016 09: 31
              +9
              Quote: pv1005
              Well, okay, let's say Putin dumped Vanka, but do you have a head on your shoulders or are you just eating into it? And yes, the word POSSIBLE in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE does not mean MANDATORY.

              Then, why was it forbidden to travel to Turkey (and Egypt) at all, since we have a head on our shoulders ???
              And, for those who do not have a head, what do you suggest?
          2. nekot
            nekot 30 June 2016 09: 09
            +3
            What are you? Straight, everything is just this, and they were waiting for Putin to "say EVERYTHING is possible" and now they will break, because no one in Russia has their own brain, in your opinion))) As citizens of 404, Putin is apparently almighty and all-guilty))
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 30 June 2016 10: 26
              +2
              Quote: nekot
              What are you? Straight, everything is just this, and they were waiting for Putin to "say EVERYTHING is possible" and now they will break, because no one in Russia has their own brain, in your opinion))) As citizens of 404, Putin is apparently almighty and all-guilty))

              Ah, then! You can talk about the brain as much as you like, but this does not negate the fact that now millions of Russian tourists will go to Turkey! And Turkey will again bathe in Russian billions!
              And now, if misfortune, terrorist attack, or ISIS takes someone hostage, it will be entirely on the conscience of our president !!!
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 30 June 2016 10: 38
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                but this does not negate the fact that now millions of Russian tourists will go to Turkey

                When they go then we’ll talk.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 30 June 2016 11: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  When they go then we’ll talk.

                  Do you doubt it?
                  Then I will disappoint you, so far, despite the ban on Turkey, HUNDREDS of thousands of our tourists have already traveled (30℅ from the former stream!). We flew regular flights of our own Aeroflot, bought tickets through fraternal Belarus and non-fraternal Ukraine!
                  Now, when our patriotic business tour will provide the Russians with charters, the masses of Russians, with the blessing of the caring president, will flood into the cheaper Ultra Inclusive! And no terrorist attacks of the Russians, for the most part, have ever frightened!
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 June 2016 11: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    masses of Russians, with the blessing of the president, will pour in a stream on the cheaper Ultra Inclusive

                    - and the flag in hand .. does not reach through the head - will reach through the back (possibly)

                    Quote: Stas157
                    Despite the ban, Hundreds of thousands of our tourists have already traveled to Turkey (30℅ from the former stream!)

                    - where does 30% come from? Why not 130%? The mess ...

                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    When they go then we’ll talk.
                    Do you doubt it?

                    - By the way, I, too ... doubt. I would not go laughing
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 30 June 2016 11: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - where does 30% come from? Why not 130%? The mess ...

                      Take an interest in our statistics, take an interest in Turkish. It is open to anyone who can use the Internet. It doesn’t work, I’m throwing links! 30% is not the biggest number of ratings! And, if you divide any of the ratings into the former tour stream, then tell me how much you will succeed.
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Incidentally, I, too ... doubt it. I would not go

                      You would not go, congratulations, but hundreds of thousands have already traveled!
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 1 July 2016 00: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        It doesn’t work, I’m throwing links! 30% is not the biggest number of ratings!

                        I don’t care, at least thirty percent, at least thirty, I don’t suffer from Turkophobia, not hidden, not explicit, they want to go - a flag in my hands and a drum on my neck. Hooked on your self-confident words about the future, maybe tomorrow the world will end, or the third world? or vice versa, Turkey will withdraw from NATO and we will all rest in Antalya.
                        P.S. Our people don’t take a taxi to the bakery.
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            2. dauria
              dauria 30 June 2016 11: 18
              +10
              You as a citizen of 404 apparently Putin is omnipotent and ominous))



              no, now the other extreme, Putin is nobody, so the small manager at the money-gouger. lol Do not know whose huge network of gas stations and oil refineries in Turkey? A name like Lukoil and Alikperov is not familiar? In fact, all this is a complex gnawing pack, forced to adhere to its internal rules. The desire to dig in this pile of elite manure has disappeared.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 30 June 2016 11: 37
                +6
                Quote: dauria
                Do not know whose huge network of gas stations and oil refineries in Turkey? A name like Lukoil and Alikperov is not familiar? In fact, all this is a complex gnawing pack, forced to adhere to its internal rules. The desire to dig in this pile of elite manure has disappeared.

                I agree! Someone for the honor of Russia worries and hurts the soul for a downed pilot! (People) And someone for their hard-earned money (elite) ...
          3. vvv-73
            vvv-73 30 June 2016 10: 51
            +3
            Well, this does not mean that everyone will go. Not all of us are stupid people in a country where the civil war is going to rest.
          4. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 30 June 2016 13: 52
            +2
            Probably Erdogan promised to enter the Ozero cooperative. Therefore, faith immediately appeared.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 30 June 2016 09: 06
          +6
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Secondly, the USSR until June 22, 1941, too, actively traded and economically collaborated with fascist Germany. And Hitler was worse than Erdogan, agree.
          Only when the Germans were declared enemies, they fought with them until victory, as with others (Finns, Japanese) - and did not bend after out of the blue. The point was then to play this offense with the Turks ?! what benefits did Russia get in the end?
        3. Azitral
          Azitral 30 June 2016 10: 00
          +4
          In politics, what is profitable is also moral. And the one who acts differently is not a politician, from him the country is only harmful. And any actions of dubious morality - if they are for the benefit of the country! - God will forgive. Although here it is necessary to keep the line, not to be friends with Paul Pot, Bakassa or some Himmler. And at least neutral relations with Turkey are badly needed by the Russian Federation. "Politics puts the most unexpected figures in one bed" - something like that Churchill said.
      4. 2224460
        2224460 30 June 2016 09: 01
        +7
        I agree with you, some kind of "mnogohodovachka" strange from our guarantor.
      5. sporti-1983
        sporti-1983 30 June 2016 13: 02
        +7
        I agree with you completely! Just a SHAME! What is it that everyone can shoot down Russian planes?
      6. icy
        icy 30 June 2016 14: 15
        +6
        I have the same opinion! Putin has lost my confidence with this act!
      7. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 1 July 2016 12: 28
        0
        You can turn your back on all the scum, but the problem is that almost all politicians are like that. and now what? live behind the iron curtain? politics is more complex and forces management to often take ugly actions. not for me to judge, but to judge from the position of "right / wrong" not knowing all the facts is just stupid.
        And our media, I am sure, have overdone in the demonization of Erdogan. As for the worms in oranges and so on - the same as with products from Moldova, Belarus and Georgia. When conflicts start, they immediately find the jambs. They always are, waiting for this SanEpidem CONTROL and exist, but these are just pretexts in order to punish those who are politically objectionable
    2. atalef
      atalef 30 June 2016 06: 29
      +29
      Quote: PKK
      It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

      There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
      Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 30 June 2016 06: 52
        -2
        I agree, the moment is ripe. Erdogan, everywhere, wherever possible and impossible, got shit, but somehow you have to live, so you have to turn yourself inside out: normalize relations with Israel, turn a movie back with Russia.
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 30 June 2016 10: 20
          +4
          Quote: inkass_98
          Erdogan, wherever possible and impossible, has been ruffled, but somehow you need to live, so you have to turn inside out:

          Correct phrase, just change the surname "Erdogan" to "Putin"
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 30 June 2016 08: 09
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        Apparently at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide.

        Yesterday, the news flashed about the possibility of resuming the Turkish stream, a coincidence of course :-)
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      4. Stas157
        Stas157 30 June 2016 09: 04
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.

        At that moment, when there was news that Erdogan conveyed an apology to Putin that no one had seen! Everyone began to write that this is again a victory for Russia, Erdogan is asking for forgiveness, but Russia will not buy tomatoes like it anyway, just like going to Turkey! That this is a long process for years! He must be earned!

        But, before Erdogan had time to pay for the plane and his family, Putin ordered orders to travel to Turkey and flood Russia with Turkish tomatoes!

        In fact, it seems that these apologies are ritual, conditional in nature, designed for the Russians! And, Russia and Turkey have already agreed on everything BEFORE Erdogan apologizes! One can only guess what was suggested by Erdogan ...
      5. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 30 June 2016 09: 29
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
        Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.

        There is a strong suspicion that the interests of today's Turkey went against the plans of the previous day in relation to ISIS, Syrian and Kurdish issues.
        Add to this the GDP statement on extend the food embargo on the same day, and not until the end of the current 2016, but immediately until December 2017.
        Plus - the statement of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation on the serious aggravation of the situation on the western borders of Russia.
        One gets the impression that Russia is trying to "relieve tension" on its southern flank.
      6. Azitral
        Azitral 30 June 2016 10: 26
        -1
        Absolutely agree. It was necessary to make an apology, but to force him to crawl on his belly, licking the carpet, in this case, to nothing. He is dead after such an apology. Akela missed. Erdogan is a dead wolf. And - not very smart, because frankly speaking, it was useless to shoot down our plane.
    3. Pitot
      Pitot 30 June 2016 06: 36
      +9
      What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 30 June 2016 07: 20
        +14
        An interesting point, Erdogan said for 8 months that they would not apologize and consider their actions correct, etc., etc., but as soon as he wrote to Putin, he forgave him two days later, but what about the support of terrorism and the purchase of oil from ISIS? Forgive or is it a lie to the media?
    4. Maksus
      Maksus 30 June 2016 09: 00
      +4
      What were we waiting for? Poroshenkovskaya factory works and no one closed it, what is the fundamental difference?
    5. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 09: 16
      +5
      Quote: PKK
      It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

      Who beat him, this Erdogan, and why, let me ask. Are they not the same notorious tomatoes?
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 30 June 2016 09: 18
        +46
        Coming soon on TV
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 30 June 2016 09: 32
          +8
          Igor39
          koro on television
          laughing good laughing good
    6. joopel
      joopel 30 June 2016 09: 54
      +6
      You PKK, in vain wrote about the world. Now homegrown eagles will peck. Well, they all want to fight, give them blood. True, they represent a computer game war. There they are heroes. Until in reality finger is pinched. Immediately tears and squirrels. Minus, the TV-fighters, bring yourself pleasure to orgasm.
    7. varov14
      varov14 30 June 2016 10: 37
      +1
      It’s wrong, although the Dunkin’s children didn’t take anything to fade, but they don’t praise themselves and pour slop over the opponent, and every day on all TV channels so that people don’t forget, but they smell a bit of loot, they take the exact opposite decision and will laugh world and own people. Well, do it in an extreme quiet, since your hands are in ...., don’t put yours ... on display.
    8. icy
      icy 30 June 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Do you believe Erdogan? Maybe he needs Russian tourists to hide behind terrorist attacks?
    9. Axon
      Axon 30 June 2016 14: 50
      -5
      state interests are not measured by tomatoes and even a pilot shot down to great bitterness, it is not possible to surround oneself with enemies, Erdogans come and go, and Russia and Turkey remain neighbors for centuries
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2016 21: 47
        +2
        Quote: Axon
        Russia and Turkey remain for centuries, neighbors

        As long as Russia didn’t adjoin Turkey, as many Russia had to hold a fist in front of Turkey before their eyes;
    10. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 June 2016 14: 51
      +2
      Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..
      request "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
      Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. " repeat in our opinion: "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our wise men never dreamed of ..." William, ours, you know, Shakespeare ... winked
      our people's indignation knows no boundaries, BUT, we DO NOT KNOW everything "behind the scenes", perhaps everything is going according to a damn plan, which we do not know, perhaps one day we will find out the price. what
    11. Sergey824
      Sergey824 30 June 2016 15: 36
      0
      It’s not for children, it will be for adults.
    12. Nross
      Nross 30 June 2016 17: 10
      -1
      I doubt very much that the conversation was held in the vein:
      try to suggest that Mr. Erdogan, as modern youth says, sculpted excuses


      Politics is generally a dirty business. Sometimes, and in public, you have to pour out a tub of shit on yourself in order to "convince" someone.
      In the conversation between the leaders, there could be anything but excuses: starting from the banal blackmail by Turkey of Russia, for example, taking Putin's daughter (grandson) hostage, ending with the most ordinary bribe.
      Between these extremes are:
      - the approaching demarche of Iran in the war with ISIS, its tricks with the United States, etc.
      - a real clash between the armed forces of Russia and Turkey (not covered in the media) with the guilt of the first side (blackmail and bun).
      - taking into account the interests of Gazprom and probable difficulties with the Northern Stream 2. Here are the tricks of Gazprom and Ukraine after 2019.
      - recognition (in the future) of Crimea as part of Russia.
      - The promise to share the dough from the transit oil of ISIS.
      - convincing blackmail by Turkey of Russia about opening a front in the Caucasus. They can do it even better than the Saudis.
      - ....
      - ....

      We probably will never know the real reason, and if we do, then when it is no longer important.
      There are a lot of options, their intricate combinations are possible, but certainly not WASTES. Author, deuce those.

      And one more thing: conversation is the culmination of agreements. Everything was decided a few days earlier.
    13. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 30 June 2016 17: 17
      +1
      Wait, wait, and who asserted in full, they say, Turkey is an accomplice of the terrorists? With whom to normalize relations? For what? Gas ... Oil ... Rubbed down VVP. Life does not teach anything. Is it really necessary for the well-being of the citizens of your country VVP. Zatoshnilo. One bream swallowed, get the back of your head ready for the next one, it's not far off. Are you chasing America? What would have happened if the US plane had been shot down? Oh, what do the "Canadians" do with tomatoes ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2016 21: 49
        +3
        Quote: GYGOLA
        Is it really necessary for the well-being of the citizens of your country GDP.

        This is necessary for the welfare of some citizens of your country.
    14. Achilles
      Achilles 30 June 2016 18: 16
      +2
      Most of all enrages, this is our media, which says that Turkey admits its mistakes and asks for forgiveness, but there is not one word in this letter, there is no acknowledgment of the error and there is no request to forgive, there is only one thing and that they regret the plane’s crash , and these are different things. Putin is clearly wrong, of course we'll see what happens next, but still a big disappointment.
    15. samuil60
      samuil60 30 June 2016 19: 20
      +2
      Absolutely. Big politics is very different from a brawl at a pub. What Erdogan said to Putin and what he promised in exchange for restoring relations - we do not know. Why do we think Putin is an idiot? He never showed himself as such anywhere. Any serious politician would want to use the situation with "apologies" in his own interests, and Putin is no exception. As for the idiots with their nesting dolls, who are ready to go even under a battleship's salvo, just to warm their ass in the sun - there have been a lot of them at all times, and their choice is their choice. Something like this....
    16. Petr petrov
      Petr petrov 1 July 2016 03: 10
      +3
      Weak on one spot was the GDP ........
      Yes, and right after the terrorist attack it turns out to be safe in Turkey ....... belay
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 1 July 2016 14: 11
        0
        What did I say? The most shaped turbo drain is! Gut is thin Putin seriously defend Russian interest.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 30 June 2016 06: 22
    +1
    Most likely I decided to get rid of tomatoes so that it would not get worse.
  3. chikenous59
    chikenous59 30 June 2016 06: 22
    +16
    Dear media, wait with your articles about Erdogan and Putin.

    I think that Putin did not say 90 percent of all the information about the conversation with the Turkish president, because this is not for publicity.
    They flooded the entire Internet yesterday with expert discussions, again Putin leaked or not ??

    Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.
    1. atalef
      atalef 30 June 2016 06: 31
      +20
      Quote: chikenous59
      Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.

      you can’t believe Erdogan. He threw them all more than once - he would throw them again.
      Our Bibi is the same water as a relationship. 78% of the population is against.
      Bibi it still comes around in the elections.
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 30 June 2016 06: 47
        +29
        I would call these maneuvers a game for the interests of "our everything" - Gazprom. That's all.
      2. Azitral
        Azitral 30 June 2016 10: 42
        -6
        With whom did you fix it? With Erdogan? Is Israel really such a warlike mood? In my opinion, it is important that you do not crap, but nobody forces you to kiss his mustache or turn his back to him.
    2. vvv-73
      vvv-73 30 June 2016 10: 57
      +3
      And not even through a personal meeting, but after some fairly decent time on the changes in the situation in the world, as a result of this meeting.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 June 2016 21: 04
      +7
      Quote: chikenous59
      Dear media, wait with your articles about Erdogan and Putin.

      I think that Putin did not say 90 percent of all the information about the conversation with the Turkish president, because this is not for publicity.
      They flooded the entire Internet yesterday with expert discussions, again Putin leaked or not ??

      Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.

      This is the most reasonable comment on this thread. yes
  4. Yak28
    Yak28 30 June 2016 06: 35
    +29
    "In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of your head and raise your eyebrows higher with an" all-explaining "thought seeking a way out:" At least a multi-move ... Well, at least a multi-move "..."
    Over the past 25 years, Russia, or rather its leadership, has made a lot of mistakes, shameful and vile deeds in relation to the allies, the army, and its citizens. So I do not believe in multi-way, but I hope that the country is a goof is not forever. wink
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 30 June 2016 08: 30
      +16
      "In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of your head and raise your eyebrows higher with an" all-explaining "thought seeking a way out:" At least a multi-move ... Well, at least a multi-move "..."
      -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------
      What are the multi-moves? What are you talking about? Their whole game is "buy and sell" If they knew how to think and calculate, then during these 15 years our country would already be a mini-China in terms of the economy. Multimode ... funny. Their lot is two plus two.
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 30 June 2016 11: 01
        -5
        "would be a mini-China in terms of the economy ..."
        With what joy? For an industrial leap into the furnace, you need to throw either crazy grandmothers or people - this is with any brains, because miracles do not happen. In the late 20s, there was no money in the USSR, they threw people, because there was no way out, only everyone was lost. China has 10 times more people, and its leaders also threw people into the furnace, only not in an idiotic way, as under Mao, but in mind. Then came the money. You can spend people on a jerk in different ways: forced labor, in the camps, when you cannot lure people with kindness, as in some Norilsk or Vorkuta, or ruin, for example, peasants so that they agree to any payment terms. Cleverly called: "Compensation below the level of simple reproduction of labor." Work to wear. This is not an accusation, it just does not happen otherwise when the heavy industry is desperately needed, there is no money, and the surrounding enemies do not lend money. You are unhappy, and the current situation is exceptional, almost impossible luck (not "luck", these are different things, luck is only for the daring). We, in all appearances, should have collapsed already in 94, if not earlier, and not triple GDP in 15 years after the default.
  5. standing
    standing 30 June 2016 06: 38
    +30
    Salvage defeats evil! Well this is what kind of losses were respected people. What are the people? Ugh! Women still give birth .... It seems that we all have now. They have a smart face and encouraging speeches. But you hold on.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 30 June 2016 08: 10
      -5
      Why do we have? They don’t have me, why talk about everyone? Speak for yourself.
      Essentially. There is a proposal, when the merkhel and oppland first appear at the airport of the Russian Federation with a visit, wrap their flippers and imprison them in a crustacean pose, remember them 812 and 41, there our people were killed, who else, and the President of Afghanistan to feed with lard, remember him 10 years, our brother died and was crippled as well. The President of Pakistan (his country is generally accepted as a partner) on a rack, for only one "black storks" in the DRA and support against the USSR. And what to do with the Head of one of our republics, where there was a war recently ????? And in general, there are very few countries in the world that have not crap on us sometime and somewhere, and should we tear everything apart and sit with them, pouting their lips proudly? Then it is easier to fence off the whole world with a wall (like Berlin))
      The president is a politician who acts as he considers necessary in this situation based on given realities and information (and he (info) has more than ours))
      As for the rest in Turkey. If they allow, here we will see who and how dear the honor of Russia, its officers and soldiers. Something seems to me that again crowds of tourists will rush, who will deeply spit on morality and memory of provocation, and fur coats and tomatoes are close, will they have you here again ???
      In general, the position is astounding, soon the wife will change her husband, they will blame the President))) But isn’t it better to delve into yourself sometimes?
      1. Gunia
        Gunia 30 June 2016 08: 28
        -5
        In the top ten !!! Putin has his own court, and you answer for yourself !!!
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 30 June 2016 14: 02
          +5
          Gunyok, the people elected the president. He is responsible to the people and answer. What else did the court invent?
      2. ohtandur
        ohtandur 30 June 2016 10: 04
        +4
        spoiled many countries of Russia. But the normalization of relations took place after they were punched in the dumbest way, the same 1812 and 1941 that you mentioned. And here the situation is so indignant that the "cut" stage is not observed. So ... little slap in the face. And the desire of the leadership for Turkey to quickly mumble something like "call" through its teeth. I do not agree with Putin, it is not yet clear - what was it?
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 30 June 2016 10: 41
        +6
        Quote: Shark Lover
        Something seems to me that again crowds of tourists will rush, who will deeply spit on morality and memory of provocation, and fur coats and tomatoes are close

        You better tell about morality to our president, who gave this very permission!
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 30 June 2016 14: 30
          +2
          Yes, I’m saying that the President is to blame for everything, EVERYTHING !!))))))) He banned Turkey; Especially for those who drove rags from there and sold here in stalls. You will pass through the shopping center from the cells only and you can hear the President is to blame. Allowed, the other half is again to blame.
          And what kind of morality are you talking about in politics?
  6. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 30 June 2016 06: 39
    +16
    Igor yesterday on channel 10 of ITV repeated the report of a month ago from Turkey. Erdogan now has an ass. He ordered to grow an obedient instrument from ISIS, but it turned out that, as in other such cases, the poisonous snake is not tamed. According to Turkish security officials, there are up to 100 active jihadist cells in the country. What are you sowing ...
  7. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 30 June 2016 06: 42
    .
    Someone is still sure that politics is done with clean hands in white clothes? If the normalization of relations with the Turks will help to break the blockade, then you have to go for it. Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough? Life goes on. And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.
    1. udincev
      udincev 30 June 2016 07: 03
      +9
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough?

      Few. This is not a goal.
      For super-impudence and super-cynicism, even in politics ...
      "Stab in the back" will count anyway.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 30 June 2016 07: 44
        -2
        This is not a goal, it is a demonstration of opportunities. The goals are much higher and the stakes are incredibly high.
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 30 June 2016 08: 36
      +7
      And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.
      ---------------------------------------
      And who said that this is not so. Putin just lost his face, instantly, without a pause, rushing to meet this turkey. Here it is worth thinking about, but why?
      Yes, everything is simple - the business is on fire for the "friends", so they are pressing, hike, to Vova.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 June 2016 09: 12
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.

      in fact, it happened - the child saw that no one was paying attention to his grievances and, using the first excuse, stopped sulking, and again the world was a chewing gum friendship.
    4. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 09: 37
      +9
      Quote: Michael m
      Someone is still sure that politics is done with clean hands in white clothes? If the normalization of relations with the Turks will help to break the blockade, then you have to go for it. Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough? Life goes on. And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.

      Something I did not see Mr. Erdogan, kneeling before Putin or Russia, in the literal and figurative sense of the word. bully
      1. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 30 June 2016 14: 32
        0
        In terms of cancer? Well, you give a pancake))
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 June 2016 06: 43
    +5
    It is difficult to disagree with the author, but there is one but! The GDP is a strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move, I'm afraid to suppose having revealed the president’s move, everything looks like Russia will be the "overseer" in BV and Europe in the foreseeable future, I don’t believe that the Turks have become our friends never and can substitute or strike in the back at any moment, but the situation in the world has developed so that a very delicate game must be played, the EU is bursting at the seams, Germany and Turkey are ready to devour each other, the vile-exclusive hegemon is rapidly losing its hegemony. In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!" And why we always had enough enemies from all directions at once, and even enough, the partner differs from the friend in that it can always be changed, but Russia, as you know and have proven more than once, has two allies, and they have never betrayed it in history, and I am sure they will not.
    1. aba
      aba 30 June 2016 06: 59
      +13
      GDP strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move

      But can he throw Russians on the Turkish coast ?! And it is right?!
      For me, this is the last thing that could and should have been resolved.
      By the way, there was information here recently that this month Russia handed over a patrol ship to Egypt, so apparently they would not be upset when they found out about Turkey.
      1. Humen
        Humen 30 June 2016 08: 07
        +2
        And who throws them there? They themselves go there even despite all the prohibitions and warnings. Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there. When will the brains themselves work? Or we will all blame Putin that we have not watched, have not banned, have not threatened. I’m small, I don’t know and don’t know how, and I need to be led by the handle?
        1. aba
          aba 30 June 2016 08: 20
          +8
          Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there.

          This is understandable, but gave the nod to the resumption of tourism in Turkey for the Russians. Apparently, their health undermined by sanctions is so appreciated ... And life!
          Yes, in Egypt, an order of magnitude calmer than in Turkey, but alas ...
          Last year I said that this is not concern for the Russians, but an element of the political game, rather pressure. All recent events are proof of this. But I’ll tell you honestly why I don’t know the pressure on the Arabs, and it doesn’t matter against the background of Turkey, which was vocalized as supporters of terrorism.
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 30 June 2016 08: 51
            -7
            Quote: aba
            This is understandable, but gave the nod to the resumption of tourism in Turkey for the Russians. Apparently, their health undermined by sanctions is so appreciated ... And life!

            How can you know what he got in return? Vova drove Erdogan into a corner, now he will most likely withdraw dividends. Well, to go there or not to go is everyone’s conscience.
          2. Azitral
            Azitral 30 June 2016 11: 08
            +1
            So no need to go. By the way, it will be a mature decision. I think this has its own calculation. The Egyptian direction did not really recover.
          3. Humen
            Humen 30 June 2016 14: 32
            +1
            And on what basis should he be banned? Erdogan apologized, and Putin keeps his word. That is why the foreign media say that Putin bent Erdogan, but with us the opposite? And if everyone rushes to Turkey, then it is not Putin's fault. This means only one thing, that citizens who shouted that Putin had leaked everything, do not care for everything and they agree to bend under the Turks and go to them to rest and make them profit. And I will not have any respect for these people.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 30 June 2016 09: 14
          +6
          Quote: Humen
          Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there.

          Naturally, it doesn’t force them to buy tomatoes either, to hire Turks for construction sites, and to design atomic power plants for NPPs - everything is purely voluntary fellow
        3. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 30 June 2016 16: 36
          +1
          Quote: Humen
          They themselves go there even despite all the bans

          And then, in case of an "emergency" situation, ours will rush to save them!
    2. ohtandur
      ohtandur 30 June 2016 10: 08
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!"

      so it turns out that they sang primarily about honor, and not about enemies. And with honor in this case, not everything is clear.
  9. Pencil
    Pencil 30 June 2016 06: 44
    0
    But Erdogan could shut the Americans the entrance to the Black Sea - for tomatoes.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 30 June 2016 06: 55
      +4
      Quote: Pencil
      But Erdogan could shut the Americans the entrance to the Black Sea - for tomatoes.

      And before this, Turkey should withdraw from NATO ??
      1. ferdiperdozzz
        ferdiperdozzz 30 June 2016 09: 15
        -3
        But what if ? Why do you all exclude this option?
        I understand that this is too much, but reading the comments, I get the feeling that the GDP has reported to the commentators about what Erdogan now owes him. Has anyone heard these 40 minutes of conversation?
        We will see how it goes further, because only then will it become clear who bent whom and who leaked what. And we always have time to shout.
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 30 June 2016 09: 38
          0
          Quote: ferdiperdozzz
          But what if ? Why do you all exclude this option?

          Are you out of your mind?
          Americans will never allow this.
          And they’ll talk directly, and if it doesn’t reach, then Turkey will receive new terrorist attacks and public unrest in addition.
          1. ferdiperdozzz
            ferdiperdozzz 30 June 2016 23: 54
            -1
            Quote: chikenous59
            Are you out of your mind?
            Americans will never allow this.

            I agree, they will not allow it. But there is such an option.
            And we live in a time when no option can be discounted. In fact, the message of my post was that we here on the site know about what's going on a little more than nichrome :) Compared to those who agree there.
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 30 June 2016 06: 47
    +6
    The king is played by the retinue. Therefore, foreign policy "fluger" depends on the interests of those in power. It is not for nothing that during the period of "perestroika" the banal phrase that "Russia is a country with an unpredictable history" emerged. How can we talk about current politics ... belay
  11. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 30 June 2016 06: 48
    +13
    On the soul, the precipitate is terrible from this situation, but there is one point that gives hope that this precipitate will dissolve. Already it happened that it seemed: Putin was wrong, Putin made a mistake, and then - once, and this turns out to be a brilliant decision or a very clever multi-way.
    Let's see ... In the meantime, a terrible sediment on the soul.
  12. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 30 June 2016 06: 49
    +8
    GDP-for-cheeeeeeeeeeeeee ??? what Now explain clearly the reason, otherwise today's statements smack of betrayal of your people ... my humble opinion hi ... we are waiting for the development of the situation, I really hope that this action has a reasonable explanation. negative
    1. dmikras
      dmikras 30 June 2016 07: 19
      +2
      It's like with Nadia in a couple of weeks we will find out or never know
  13. aba
    aba 30 June 2016 06: 51
    +11
    with an “all-explaining” thought seeking a way out: “At least a multi-way ... Well, at least a multi-way” ...

    Rather, it looks like a multi-nibble (amount in bucks).
  14. kolkulon
    kolkulon 30 June 2016 06: 53
    +7
    Tourism in Turkey is open. And through many channels there are constantly statistics: there are so many terrorist attacks, so many victims, time, place. Like, see for yourself, and yes, no one is holding.
  15. Tsoy
    Tsoy 30 June 2016 06: 58
    +4
    But after all, hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, sorry for inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey

    This permit will affect slightly the number of tourists. According to the Federal Tourism Agency, despite the ban, Antalya won the first place in attendance among Russians. We went through Belarus. Tours are quietly sold in travel agencies. With this, even the scandal was when Roskomnadzor began to close sites with advertising trips to Turkey, forgetting that the recommendations do not have a legal basis for closing the site. So those who wanted to go despite a bad relationship with Erdogan.
  16. Holsten
    Holsten 30 June 2016 06: 58
    +6
    Friendship is good, but fighting is bad - in my opinion, this is undeniable. But it is better to be friends where it is beneficial to you, and not to your "friend". Tourism is a wonderful thing, especially inexpensive, but first guarantee security, end the civil war and that's it ... go ahead. And with the apology somehow not everything was decided: for the support of the bandits in the North Caucasus, in the Crimea, the separatists in Tatarstan, not a word of apology, but why? We also care.
    But tourists - in the last turn, when the situation settles down. If one of the vacationers dies from the explosion or is sold into slavery, an indignant chorus of voices will immediately sound: where Putin was looking! Is it necessary?
    And he said the right words: I will instruct to study the issue. Does anyone remember how fast questions are being worked out in the bureaucracy? And there already the New Year is just around the corner. As eastern wisdom says: No need to rush.
  17. E. Lutvaites
    E. Lutvaites 30 June 2016 06: 58
    +17
    That significant part of the public who is perplexed about the unexpected decision of the head of the Russian state, not seeing sound logic in his actions, may not have complete information. In other words, we may not know all that has become known to V. Putin. Maybe this is a multi-way diplomatic operation, but it may turn out to be much more commonplace: we will extinguish, as usual, and will live in accordance with the recommendation of the cat Leopold. But be that as it may, the presence of contradictions between recent loud statements such as “they won’t get rid of tomatoes alone” and other wording in the sense of “still regret”, on the one hand, and a sharp change in degree from minus to bold plus, on the other, obviously, such contradictions should be clarified to their perplexed people, whose lower jaw dropped from such news. Yesterday you were ruffled by a drunken rowdy neighbor with criminal inclinations, burned your front door, and today you sobered up, repented of your words, came to hug, ask for money for a hangover, and you will kindly invite him to normalize relations, so what?
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 30 June 2016 08: 58
      -1
      Quote: E. Lutvaites
      Yesterday you were ruffled by a drunken rowdy neighbor with criminal inclinations, burned your front door, and today you sobered up, repented of your words, came to hug, ask for money for a hangover, and you will kindly invite him to normalize relations, so what?

      You will kindly withdraw money from him for the door in three times the amount, take the statement from the police and in the future you will say sweet "drasta" when you meet on the stairs
      1. E. Lutvaites
        E. Lutvaites 30 June 2016 10: 35
        +7
        Clever, sensible, sensible! And how do you evaluate the lives of Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozynich, in what size, in what currency? And moral damage for mocking the corpse of a Russian pilot? Let me remind you: to shoot down a military aircraft, it’s not just to arrange an accident, it’s to shoot down the symbol of the state (it is present on the parts of the aircraft provided for this). So, do you propose to wipe the spit from your face, satisfied with the triple size of payment?
  18. Korsar4
    Korsar4 30 June 2016 06: 59
    +5
    Two quotes: "We live in an interesting time" and "I don't need a Turkish coast".

    It remains to hope for will and wisdom. "If it is, of course, possible in nature."

    And the sediment cannot but remain. Scratch too deep.
  19. Vasya_kuvalesov
    Vasya_kuvalesov 30 June 2016 07: 02
    +6
    Quote: PKK
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

    so really? and what would prevent him from doing something like that? tomatoes?
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 07: 05
    .
    Quote: Pitot
    What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
    Who would doubt it, but Putin said - apologize, where did it go? Compensations will not go anywhere. What else we wanted, you won’t return the pilots, and it’s stupid to stand in a pose. We were not and will not be friends, but before the war or tough confrontation, or other absurdity, it makes no sense to bring the situation.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 09: 57
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Quote: Pitot
      What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
      Who would doubt it, but Putin said - apologize, where did it go? Compensations will not go anywhere. What else we wanted, you won’t return the pilots, and it’s stupid to stand in a pose. We were not and will not be friends, but before the war or tough confrontation, or other absurdity, it makes no sense to bring the situation.

      It’s not worth bringing the matter to war, I completely agree with you, but throwing your arms into the arms of the Turks just because of a wink doesn’t paint the nation’s eyes. If Putin had to eventually go to such a world with the Turks, then you couldn’t raise the degree of tension in interstate relations, otherwise calculations were already underway, as, for example, my Motherland, Armenia can help Russia in its struggle with Turkey, an analyst Khramchikhin at VO calculated the capabilities of our VS. If the situation a little further escalated and the Armenian Armed Forces if they took at least an insignificant part in the hypothetical Russo-Turkish conflict, I can’t imagine what Armenia would look like if after that Russia, in particular, the person who makes decisions in Russia today, would just as easily go closer to Turkey. Turkey would be reconciled with Russia in any case, but Armenia in this case would remain foolish.
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 30 June 2016 11: 16
      +5
      Keywords: and were not friends. NEVER were.
  21. antiexpert
    antiexpert 30 June 2016 07: 08
    -7
    And if we assume that Erdoganchik played out, and realized that the United States would kill him, like all marmosets like Hitler, Saddam or Gaddafi with the hands of igilys?
    And Putin hinted to him that "we are not giving up our own" and gave the example of Assad?
    After all, it's time for re-enactment)))
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 30 June 2016 11: 18
      0
      Or the United States with the help of the Kurds. Or ISIS. Or your own army. This is most likely.
  22. sa-ag
    sa-ag 30 June 2016 07: 08
    +10
    That's the whole story with geography, Erdogan receives not weak financial flows, again becomes a potential transit of hydrocarbons, now the media must adjust the victorious justification
  23. zakamsk1971
    zakamsk1971 30 June 2016 07: 09
    +5
    I fully agree with the author.
    The precipitate after ,, nightly telephone conversation, remained.
    Such reversals are not for principled people, in this context - real patriots. The feeling of bargaining and selling at the cost of the memory of a dead hero pilot.
    By the way, whoever is the first on the, Turkish coast ,, will break, he is the fifth column. Unfortunately, only war will put everything in its place, and politics, as you know, is a very - very dirty business.
  24. VSZMK
    VSZMK 30 June 2016 07: 09
    +1
    US President Barack Obama expressed his gratitude to Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan for his efforts to restore relations with Russia and Israel. This is the official website of the White House.

    As the text of the message published on the White House website says, Obama praised the actions of the Erdogan administration, which in one week managed to restore relations with Israel and reduce tension in Turkish-Russian relations.
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 30 June 2016 14: 13
      +1
      It turns out that our authorities are acting at the prompt of Obama? Well, it's generally utter mockery and disgrace. And then why are we chatting all over here?
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 1 July 2016 09: 07
        -2
        What would you say if you were Obama? "Sultan, don't you see the edges? Well, quickly, I shot down another plane!" - this is said only informally. And, very likely, they will listen. FIRST, we lowered the tension, and you understand that very well. Here a company of liberals of all stripes purposefully gathered to repaint white into black. Unfortunately, we succeeded to a great extent. Sultasha quite obviously from the very beginning beguiled the Ramses, for half a year, proudly shaking his sponge, he tried to hold a stand, got confused (no wonder), had a fight with everyone, climbed to apologize, and then an unthinkable number of connoisseurs of Turkish rushed to prove that there was no apology, and this is HE "bent down". Who will prove OUR failure, contrary to the obvious? And for what purpose? Only an enemy, only to make a mess. Well, at least a little. Enemies in the skins of patriots (I, of course, am not an instigator, but, in your place, I would not tolerate) are worse than open enemies. As you know, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. I will add: very often it is the first.
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 June 2016 07: 10
    -6
    Why are you crying then? We can set such conditions for reconciliation,
    that the Turks would rather shoot themselves. After all, you need to understand that victory cannot be made an enmity.
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  27. hobot
    hobot 30 June 2016 07: 12
    -6
    You can not do the analysis based on 10% of the available information and then from the media.
    I think that Erdogan was forced to take this step and Putin is certainly in the know, so he did not bargain, but took steps towards reconciliation. Let's see what will change. If Erdogan apologized to Russia, then perhaps by the end of the year he will shake Assad’s hand. Putin we have such an unpredictable ...
  28. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 June 2016 07: 13
    +10
    So far, again outwardly, we are rushing with this ball to our own goal.

    It is hard to disagree with the author. True, we do not know what issues were raised in a telephone conversation and through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and what Erdogan promised. But we can say with confidence that he will not block his border with Syria (even if he promises), he will not give up his interests in the North Caucasus.
  29. parusnik
    parusnik 30 June 2016 07: 18
    -2
    And now, rewind the situation to the downed plane .. What was Erdogan’s behavior? .. And you don’t have any methods against Kostya Saprykin .. It was the same the first time after the death of Su .. And now there is a different scenario: And you stupid still taunted me ...
  30. Saffron
    Saffron 30 June 2016 07: 19
    -4
    I feel during those 40 minutes Erdogan agreed with all of Putin's "proposals" and this is not about tomatoes (one has only to guess what conditions Putin set: Europe, refugees, gas pipelines or something else). Judge for yourself, you don't even know 50% of what your direct boss is planning or what issues are being solved, let alone state interests, they will only show us the top, the most interesting inside!
    1. Slavin
      Slavin 30 June 2016 07: 37
      +10
      It is unlikely that somewhere in the polls I saw more than 80% of Russians are not ready to forgive the Turks in such a swoop, respectively, they do not support this decision of the GDP, according to your logic, he left all the most impartial on the surface and all the best, necessary benefits for the Russians from them hid under the carpet, my opinion is losing out on GDP.
      1. Saffron
        Saffron 30 June 2016 08: 41
        +3
        And these 80%, including myself, I will not forgive them and I will not go to Turkey anymore and I advise the rest, because of their attitude to Russian citizens and security problems, and any sane person thinks the same. I talked about politics and agreements that only a very narrow circle of people know about and I am more than sure that we all do not enter this circle. And as for the unflattering, I’ll say that this situation couldn’t look any different.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 30 June 2016 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: Slavyn
        It is unlikely that somewhere in the polls I saw more than 80% of Russians are not ready to forgive the Turks in such a swoop, respectively, they do not support this decision of the GDP, according to your logic, he left all the most impartial on the surface and all the best, necessary benefits for the Russians from them hid under the carpet, my opinion is losing out on GDP.

        Well, naturally, our media sculpted the enemy from the Turks (as well as from Savchenko) for so long, and the GDP took it and forgave them everything at a time.
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 30 June 2016 08: 43
      +7
      I feel during those 40 minutes Erdogan agreed with all of Putin's "proposals" and this is not about tomatoes (one has only to guess what conditions Putin set: Europe, refugees, gas pipelines or something else). Judge for yourself, you don't even know 50% of what your direct boss is planning or what issues are being solved, let alone state interests, they will only show us the top, the most interesting inside!
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
      Yes of course! We remember very well how Vova put a parashka on his knees. and gas with discounts and 600 MW delivered without prepayment and Ukrainians with might and main in Russia gastritis.
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 1 July 2016 09: 16
        0
        Yes of course! And you desperately need it to make us look like losers! Otherwise, the salary will be reduced.
  31. mamont5
    mamont5 30 June 2016 07: 20
    0
    Quote: Black
    The news about the upcoming personal meeting between Vladimir Putin and Erdogan is just one, there are two statements about following the path to normalizing relations, and three restrictions have been lifted by Russia on Russian tourists traveling to Turkish coast.

    What does it have to do with it? There is a policy. And it's not even about tourists and tomatoes. The point is the behavior of Turkey in Syria. I think that this was precisely what was discussed during a telephone conversation between GDP and Erdogan. And I think that Erdogan has already made some promises, otherwise the GDP would not have gone to a personal meeting, where, most likely, they would try to take concrete steps on Turkey’s policy in Syria. Any agreement (if it is not an ultimatum) is a compromise between the parties. Ours will open up markets for Turkish products (the question is whether our suppliers will still take them) and allow tourism to Turkey (I still won’t go), and see what Turkey does. I think that apologies and compensations are just that on the surface, for general use. It is unlikely that political agreements will be voiced, at least in full.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 June 2016 09: 22
      +6
      Quote: mamont5
      I think that apologies and compensations are just that on the surface, for general use.

      The prime minister said it is clear that if there are compensations, it will be only for the family - for this the family needs to sue the international against the Turks. Yes and the doubtful apology, in the end it turned out. And in general, about compensation already with Mistral and Ukrainians have heard enough. Some simply returned what they were paid, the second sent at all - and no compensation to you, dream on
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 June 2016 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        To do this, the family must sue the international against the Turks.

        But where is the usual family of pilots to take money for a lawyer? The coachman or carver will not work for free.
    2. Sergey824
      Sergey824 30 June 2016 15: 08
      +2
      Promising and marrying are different things. We were promised not to expand NATO, with the unification of Germany, and now it turns out that we had auditory hallucinations and snot of our leaders that we were deceived. And since this is politics, as you say, first the treaty, signature, ratification, and then the "chairs"
    3. Alf
      Alf 30 June 2016 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: mamont5
      (the question is whether our suppliers will still take them)

      Doubt it? They will, they will, Turkish ones are cheaper, but our business does not smell.
  32. Tamerlan I
    Tamerlan I 30 June 2016 07: 22
    +7
    "After all, in fact, any distraught" strategist "who decides to openly confront Russia can now get off with" tomatoes "..."
    Yesterday's offensive of the Ukrovermacht in the area of ​​Debaltseve, Uglegorsk and Sanzharovka, just in this logic and here is not just a "multi-move", there is also a "cunning plan" ...
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  33. vector96
    vector96 30 June 2016 07: 22
    +11
    And tomorrow Poroshenko will write a letter on Twitter that he also "regrets" and also understand everything and forgive?
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  35. Leto
    Leto 30 June 2016 07: 29
    +13
    I sincerely sympathize with the Patriots who are in bewilderment watching the actions of the one who is "ours". The brain after regular breaks does not stick and all that remains is to grab onto the head. But it's okay, they have already come up with an excuse for this like "this is politics," you can kiss an Islamist-terrorist passionately, maybe he won't give Popnik again. And some firmly believe that Erdogan tearfully apologized to Putin and therefore he forgave him, it seems that otherwise the brain does not stick together ...
  36. Rust0626
    Rust0626 30 June 2016 07: 31
    -2
    Although the feelings from this event are ambiguous, but ...
    When everything happened, remember the conditions that Russia put forward - to apologize and compensate for material damage?
    An apology was brought, however experts would translate it, now we will look with compensation.
    A man gave his word, must keep. It just bothers the speed of normalization, how much they pulled with an apology, you can also stretch it. Nothing will happen if people go to rest not in July, but in August
  37. kagorta
    kagorta 30 June 2016 07: 31
    -3
    There is such a gypsy way of riding a horse. You need to quickly get from point A to point B. The horse is hungry, you put a bunch of hay on a stick in front of the horse. The horse runs after him, cannot catch up. So that would be a horse of interest in this run did not lose hay, you need to feed a little. Otherwise, the horse will fall into apathy, since the process is not interesting, which does not bring anything.
    So Putin does the same, and Erdogan plays the role of a gypsy horse. And his problem is only one thing, we are not in a hurry to point B. And in addition, you must understand, we should not strive for our goal, so that the world is "dusty". They will pay compensation for the quiet and jail Chelik for illegal possession of weapons, secret protocols about counter obligations will be signed wink and give Erdogan a face to save for the internal user. We really need to trade, we need to earn money. And business is nothing personal.
  38. Xmyp
    Xmyp 30 June 2016 07: 32
    +8
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    It is difficult to disagree with the author, but there is one but! The GDP is a strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move, I'm afraid to suppose having revealed the president’s move, everything looks like Russia will be the "overseer" in BV and Europe in the foreseeable future, I don’t believe that the Turks have become our friends never and can substitute or strike in the back at any moment, but the situation in the world has developed so that a very delicate game must be played, the EU is bursting at the seams, Germany and Turkey are ready to devour each other, the vile-exclusive hegemon is rapidly losing its hegemony. In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!" And why we always had enough enemies from all directions at once, and even enough, the partner differs from the friend in that it can always be changed, but Russia, as you know and have proven more than once, has two allies, and they have never betrayed it in history, and I am sure they will not.

    You have reviewed channel 24.
    Everything is much simpler, money, gas, oil .... But what about people? Eat and not choke.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 30 June 2016 07: 38
      +6
      Quote: XmyP
      Everything is much simpler, money, gas, oil

      Yes, that’s it now.
  39. AlaskaKiD
    AlaskaKiD 30 June 2016 07: 32
    +1
    Something I don’t understand in this life, or I don’t understand anything at all
  40. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 30 June 2016 07: 33
    +5
    "Okay tomatoes, okay Turkish construction projects together with Turkish foremen ... But hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, pardon the inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey with joyful hooting and shouts of" Hurray! All inclusive returns ... "" I want to offend no one, but just these "comrades" from the "P" generation, moaning about the absence of Turkish beaches, did not care about the shot down plane, the problems of Russia, terrorism and the international situation from the high bell tower. And therefore, if on one of the Turkish beaches (or in one of the Turkish hotels) some terrorist-ISIS trouble happens to them (and most likely it will be), well, it was their deliberate choice. You had to think with your head and not with your stomach. Perhaps this is exactly the idea. For whom words are not enough, let him be convinced by his own experience, having seen in the immediate vicinity the intestines and minced meat of his neighbor by the hotel room, and maybe his own.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 30 June 2016 07: 55
      +1
      Thailand's mass riots, coup and more from the country all foreign tourists fled. The Russians did not interrupt their holiday and, on the contrary, joined the protesters.

      Arab spring. Egypt. There is a revision in the country, and only Russians are not going anywhere.

      The only place where everyone left and then did not return Tunisia. What is this courage or bezablabernost? Or the great Russian maybe? But fortunately for the victims I do not know.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 30 June 2016 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: Choi
        The only place where everyone left and then did not return Tunisia

        Not the only one. About the plane from Egypt forgot
    2. vector96
      vector96 30 June 2016 08: 47
      +5
      Quote: Egor-dis
      .if any terrorist-ISIS trouble occurs on one of the Turkish beaches (or in one of the Turkish hotels)

      again, the whole country will save such "patriots", they do not care what is happening, just to warm their ass on the beach.
    3. RomanS
      RomanS 30 June 2016 09: 31
      -5
      Write without thinking. Summer vacation is not only a ticket and a trip. This is a formed budget, tickets, and most importantly VACATION! Agreed at work with different family members.
      1. Sergey824
        Sergey824 30 June 2016 14: 55
        +4
        Vacation here is money here. Vacation in Turkey, and who will get the money? Think for yourself whose budget?
  41. anfil
    anfil 30 June 2016 07: 37
    +2
    Quote: Holsten
    And he said the right words: I will instruct to study the issue. Does anyone remember how fast questions are being worked out in the bureaucracy? And there already the New Year is just around the corner. As eastern wisdom says: No need to rush.


    Yesterday I explained the situation to my neighbors with exactly the same arguments, and since in foreign policy we urge everyone to come to an agreement, then make an offended face “don't pee in my pot” when an opponent proposes negotiations, this is beyond idiocy.
    We will work it out, come tomorrow, but better ...
    It’s not for nothing that German politicians and activists filed a civil lawsuit against Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan for his “war crimes” in the counter-terrorist operation against the Kurds
  42. isker
    isker 30 June 2016 07: 37
    +7
    In order to really "understand everything and forgive everything", both at the level of the Government and at the level of the People of Russia - for Turkey the only way out (option) is to make room on the Bosphorus - only for the concession of the "control package" of the strait - you can try by Erdog * ndon himself, and with Turkey (hotels, beaches, tomatoes ...), otherwise, there was no need to start "twisting your fingers"
  43. iov
    iov 30 June 2016 07: 40
    +1
    The author, what were you waiting for, strictly speaking ??? We live with you, unfortunately, in the era of the decline of morality .... Why appeal to some high values ​​...
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    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 30 June 2016 09: 30
      0
      OK. Your suggestions ... Throwing Turkey with nuclear bats?
  45. PValery53
    PValery53 30 June 2016 07: 46
    -3
    A long time ago I came out of a conflict at work with the thought: “You cannot provoke a person to manifest negative qualities, you cannot“ substitute. ”Confirmation of this is a case from big politics. Ours“ substituted ”in Syria, got a“ knife in the back. ”Now our government in this sense will be "smarter" with the Turks, let's hope.
  46. _umka_
    _umka_ 30 June 2016 07: 47
    .
    Putin must be trusted, if he does it, then it should be so.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 30 June 2016 12: 53
      +1
      And if tomorrow the decree will be released to shoot every second it will also be for the good?
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 30 June 2016 12: 57
        0
        Quote: Choi
        And if tomorrow the decree will be released to shoot every second it will also be for the good?

        I would shoot from a Kalash .... Judging by the site everything goes to this! Again, they are hungry over the people of Russia ...
        1. Tsoy
          Tsoy 30 June 2016 18: 54
          0
          Quote: Chariton
          I would bum out Kalash ...


          Well, you know, depending on where you shoot ... I don’t want it like in Ukraine. Well-intentioned paved road known where. And the revolution essentially will not do anything. Just come to power other thieves. And what again in a circle? Of course, there are a lot of problems in the Russian Federation now, and I don’t want to talk about them already, but the worst thing is that the situation does not change. And it's not about Putin, it's about the system itself. The last straight line showed that the government mechanism does not work at all. The president himself should keep an eye on every hole in a huge country. Until he comes down and not a single scum in the suit will give a kick, he will not scratch himself with a tuple.
          Returning to the mood on the site. This year may well be a turning point. Elections ... instead of Ak, you can fight with other weapons. Another question is that there is no one to vote for. Pocket opposition and small parties nepozymi anyone. So the point against all the most popular with me.
          1. Lyubopyatov
            Lyubopyatov 30 June 2016 21: 02
            +2
            And the Central Election Commission will necessarily redistribute the votes "against all" among the "successful" parties: 70% for EdRu, 15% for Zhirik and 15% for Zyugu.
            Only the historical way of Russia’s exit from the Time of Troubles, the legitimacy of which cannot be challenged by anyone, can break the Central Election Commission through the tribe of Ilya Muromets: Zemsky Sobor of the Peoples of Russia.
          2. Alf
            Alf 30 June 2016 22: 08
            +4
            Quote: Choi
            The president himself must watch every pit in a vast country. Until he comes down and gives a kick, not a single bastard in a suit and with a tuple does not scratch himself.

            Yes, yes, the king is good, the boyars are bad. So what does the king of the boyars not change?
            1. Tsoy
              Tsoy 1 July 2016 07: 23
              +1
              perhaps because these boyars brought him to power? did you know about a man like Putin at the beginning of the 21 century? I personally do not. I thought Kiriyenko would be the receiver. And what the hell is the receiver? Do we have a Constitution in the country or something? Vice president where?
  47. magdama
    magdama 30 June 2016 07: 49
    +15
    Feeling of filth. The same feeling was when the Donbass was merged. Because everything seems to be correct, "wise", calculated forward, a kind of multi-pass ... But in fact, it's freezing. If we don't respect ourselves, who will respect? In general, THINK ...
  48. bad
    bad 30 June 2016 07: 56
    .
    Quote: lukmag
    What are the requirements for GDP and Russia?
    Just zaputintsy throw fluff.
    As the pro-Putin mass media began to scream in the first minute, how the Turkish Erdogan famously bent down the Turks and how the Turkish Erdogan crawled on his lap, but everything turned out to be a dummy.
    It’s just that their Erdogan brought condolences to the family of the pilot, a graduate of St. IED Peshkova and all.
    Thus, the Turks escaped and not even tomatoes.
    All these brutal poses of our chief masters for internal use and zombie suckers blindly believe in HPP.
    oh..liberasty startled..comment for the sake of a comment or again "all polymers have been lost!"? ..- it's not for you to judge .. history will judge .. hi
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 1 July 2016 03: 28
      0
      an interesting nickname will turn out when replacing the letter laughing
  49. SpecialSnab
    SpecialSnab 30 June 2016 07: 57
    -2
    We merge everything! Soon Saudi Arabians will also get a blow
  50. bad
    bad 30 June 2016 08: 00
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: PKK
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

    There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
    Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.
    ..reasonable .. logical .. + hi
    1. SerB60
      SerB60 1 July 2016 00: 33
      0
      But Turkey does not consider this an apology and the perpetrators are not punished. There is no fault on their part, it was our plane that flew toward them, it itself went astray, and our pilot is guilty of being hit by bullets. And where is the logic and reason on our part?
    2. SerB60
      SerB60 1 July 2016 00: 33
      0
      But Turkey does not consider this an apology and the perpetrators are not punished. There is no fault on their part, it was our plane that flew toward them, it itself went astray, and our pilot is guilty of being hit by bullets. And where is the logic and reason on our part?