Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..

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The phrase “we live in an interesting time” turns into something utterly banal and erased. Eight months ago, the presidential replica “you won’t get rid of tomatoes alone” with regard to Turkey, which shot down the Russian Su-24 bomber, as if hinted that Erdogan is unlikely to get off with tomatoes. And seemingly only sedatives news the plots of Channel 1 separated Russia from the great war with Mr., who played with Sultan’s ambitions.

And now - about a miracle ... Just one letter, just a couple of pseudo-excitatory remarks and a dozen four minutes of telephone conversations, and ... Did Recep get off with tomatoes? ..

Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..


The news of the upcoming personal meeting between Vladimir Putin and Erdogan is one, there are two statements about following the path to normalizing relations, and three restrictions have been lifted by Russia on Russian tourists traveling to Turkish coast. A few days ago, the previously detected terrorist trail of ISIS and its ties with individual officials from the Turkish apparatus did not allow Russians to rest in Turkey, and now, you know, even a terrorist attack at the airport of the country's largest city, when a whole group of militants, allows you to open rest in Erdogan’s estate turned the air harbor into a bloodstained territory. In general, logic ...

And according to this logic, it is not at all clear by whom the ordinary Russian average citizen will now represent the president of Turkey, who was still unsubstantiated yesterday (including the Turkish media themselves) accused of dealing with terrorist groups. Just yesterday, talking about the likely normalization of relations with Turkey, something like this was heard: “Only without Erdogan!” And now, it seems, it's okay ... Well, I turned a blind eye to the crossing weapons the militants in the north of Syria and smuggling of crude oil by igilovtsami from the Syrian fields - indeed, who does not happen ...

No, of course, economic ties, promising billions in revenues to the budget, need to be taken into account. Here and Akkuyu nuclear power plant, and the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, and all the same Turkish tomatoes ... And, apparently, they took into account. But who after this remained in a rather clean suit? There is an opinion that with their “excuse me” and, as it were, “did what they did,” the suit quickly launders, not without Russian help, the very Erdogan who was accused of all mortal sins just now. It must be that now the Turkish President himself, who in the Russian media was somewhere between a fascist, terrorist number one and a failed sultan, wonders how Russia will continue to build relations with such as he.

And if these relations are restored as quickly as Mr. Erdogan ruined them with a blow to the Su-24, then it's time to ask whether this is not a dangerous precedent? Indeed, in fact, any distraught “strategist” who will decide to open confrontation with Russia can now get away with “tomatoes”. Undoubtedly, the author can be blamed for excessive conspiracy and absurd interpretations (I would even be happy if this were the case), but such a dramatic difference in degree from minus to plus in relations not even with Turkey itself, but with Mr. Erdogan is quite capable of becoming an a priori indulgence for future provocations and provocateurs against Russia. I would like it not to, but whether the “friends and partners” of Russia will perceive this correctly ...

For obvious reasons, the press service of the Kremlin does not publish a transcript of a telephone conversation between two presidents. But you can try to assume that Mr. Erdogan, as the modern youth says, sculpted excuses. They say that it is not he who is to blame for everything, and that he was generally framed ... What he did not give an order to strike a Russian plane, has nothing to do with sending weapons to Dzhebhat an-Nusra militants in Aleppo area, he did not give orders to iron from long-range artillery the Syrian government troops, who are pushing terrorists in the north of Latakia, did not merge the investigation into the execution of the Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov. In general, clean aki angel ...

And, if we consider only the outer shell of what is happening, then, it turns out, the Russian president believed it. Well, or at least pretended to believe.

Well, okay, tomatoes, okay, Turkish construction projects together with Turkish foremen ... But after all, hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, sorry for inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey with joyful hoots and shouts of “Hurray! All-inclusive returns ... ”After all, we have (and everywhere) a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the mini-bar and animator Mustafa, dancing in a suit of Mickey Mouse, in a Turkish hotel are ready to shut their eyes to the bloody terrorist acts in Istanbul , and the civil war in the east of Turkey, and the fact that in the Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of civilians in Syria. They are simply far from politics, and this is not a reproach, but the usual statement of fact. What is Syria, what is oil? - Give us a Turkish cut of fruits and vegetables and a cheap Turkish fur coat ...

The logic of such people is the same: “This will not affect us. This is generally far from the beaches. ”

And if the Russian authorities decided that she did not want to be a nurse for such an unbearable child, then another question arises: what was the impact? Is it possible that a couple of words of “Sultan” Erdogan, who now clearly kicked the ball on the Russian side and are awaiting how Russia will dispose of the ball? So far, again outwardly, we rush with this ball to our own goal. And even the portraits of the dead Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozychnich stop noticing behind the billboards of the “Turkish Stream” and all the same Akkuyu NPP? ..

In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of the head and raise the eyebrows higher with an “all-encompassing” thought looking for a way out: “If only for a multi-step ... Well, at least multi-flow” ...
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  1. PKK
    -96
    30 June 2016 06: 21
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.
    1. +123
      30 June 2016 06: 23
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!
      1. +183
        30 June 2016 06: 34
        Quote: Black
        Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!


        Yes, Putin did ugly, even Turkey didn’t suffer even with tomatoes.
        FOR THE TURKISH STREAM, I am ready to risk Russian tourists again and forgive ISIS support. Now, obviously, caravans of oil across the Turkish border, the videoconferencing will cease to be seen. He puts his head under eternal blackmail by a pipe to the Turks, and these are no worse than ukrov.
        Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...
        1. +47
          30 June 2016 07: 24
          It seems to me that the matter here is not entirely in Turkey ... At least, on the example of Erdogan, Europe shows that Russia’s requirements must be fulfilled and this is useful. The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union. And on a personal level, Erdogan will always be a personal enemy of GDP. This does not say goodbye. We will wait.
          1. +8
            30 June 2016 10: 45
            Yes, it is still unknown what Erdogan actually had to pay to restore relations. Putin, as you know, loves backstage deals, so they won’t tell us how it really happened.
          2. +5
            30 June 2016 10: 53
            In an information war, you need to calculate the future consequences, if you do one thing, but in your mind you have other goals, think before bringing it to the public. Now the situation is completely stupid, how to interpret it: a concession, a vital necessity, a thirst for dough from the sponsored oligarchs. They plunge into the "Turkish Stream", but we really need it, or there is little money to settle in foreign bins, some questions after their processing of our weak minds, d.u.a.k.i., someone so fighting for the minds of the electorate, so trust, sheer lies.
          3. +6
            30 June 2016 12: 09
            Quote: Thrall
            It seems to me that the matter here is not entirely in Turkey ... At least, on the example of Erdogan, Europe shows that Russia’s requirements must be fulfilled and this is useful. The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union. And on a personal level, Erdogan will always be a personal enemy of GDP. This does not say goodbye. We will wait.


            I fully agree that the addressee of "reconciliation" is Europe.
            Sarkozy came with a proposal to us to cancel counter-sanctions. Like you are the first, and we will support. I thought very smart.
            As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
            - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
            - 5% - have not decided yet,
            - 87% - in no case.
            Europe - a signal, the Russians - a reduction in prices for all the tops, the Sultan - almost nothing. So far, such a picture.
            1. 0
              30 June 2016 14: 01
              Quote: Alex777
              As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
              - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
              - 5% - have not decided yet,
              - 87% - in no case.

              Can I link to the survey?
              They will not break for one reason, poverty wins, there is no money.
              Without a survey, I predict the majority of the population who stayed at home, went to the cottage, on low-cost routes in Russia, etc.
              People do not care Turkey or horseradish. they decide all the money .. at least in Moscow.
              It will be cheap - I’ll go to Turkey, the horse price tag - I’ll look at other places.
              1. +3
                30 June 2016 21: 07
                Quote: Al1977
                Quote: Alex777
                As for the tourists who "rush" there was a survey yesterday:
                - 8% - rush off (and so they traveled - through Belarus),
                - 5% - have not decided yet,
                - 87% - in no case.

                Can I link to the survey?
                They will not break for one reason, poverty wins, there is no money.
                Without a survey, I predict the majority of the population who stayed at home, went to the cottage, on low-cost routes in Russia, etc.
                People do not care Turkey or horseradish. they decide all the money .. at least in Moscow.
                It will be cheap - I’ll go to Turkey, the horse price tag - I’ll look at other places.


                The survey was conducted on the air of Radio Russia.
                However, a similar poll was quoted tonight.
                4 categories. the total interest is the same:
                - 48% will not go because of security,
                - 30% - fundamentally political.
                1. -3
                  1 July 2016 11: 40
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The survey was conducted on the air of Radio Russia.
                  However, a similar poll was quoted tonight.

                  I conducted a "survey" among my friends. 90% said "we will look at the prices."
                  If a person plans a vacation for "political reasons" - he needs to be treated.
                  As for security ... Maybe then children should not be sent to camps?
                  Do you know how many in Moscow per year died on the road? Urgently need to sell cars ...
                  I’m not trying to convince you, just to express an opinion that the audience of Radio Russia is not the opinion of the Russians. You spend on the Echo of Moscow, there will be other results.
                  In fact, a vacation in Turkey compares favorably with ours. although Egypt is closer to me, the sea is better there. But in Crimea-Sochi - noooooo, in terms of ... the price / quality ratio is inferior.
                  I would like to both Croatia and the Maldives / Dominican Republic ... but money is only for Turkey, China is far away, Thailand is far away ..
              2. -1
                30 June 2016 21: 13
                It will be cheap - I will go to Turkey

                Nizhny Novgorod-Simferopol economy from 16500 one way, as it were, suggest a solution. There were 10000 last year.
          4. +6
            30 June 2016 14: 16
            Quote: Thrall
            The Turkish card is being played at a time when Erdogan is now offended by the United States and the European Union.

            An attempt to tear Turkey away from the US and the EU while they are offended by it. Ugly, and when are political games beautiful? like the politicians themselves? In politics, often interests become higher than resentment.
            To me personally, the pardon of Turkey seems premature, the Commander-in-Chief perhaps knows better.
            Remember who your main enemy is
            It is difficult to discuss such issues on emotions, time will tell. Both the support of the domestic agricultural producer and tourism within the country will certainly suffer, and the gas transportation system (possibly) will benefit, and Rosatom will also benefit. Moreover, a "slippery friend" is worse than an enemy.
          5. icy
            +4
            30 June 2016 14: 18
            Can Turkish caravans also not bomb in Syria, leave Syria and the Mediterranean Sea?
          6. +12
            30 June 2016 18: 07
            On the example of Erdogan to Europe, and to the whole world, your politicians have shown how much they value the lives of their citizens. For several months, the Turks showed everyone that you can shoot down Russian planes, equip weapons and train bandits who kill civilians in Syria, the Syrian military and all the same Russian citizens. The Turks showed the whole world that any country can oppose Russia. In this example, the whole world saw how hastily the Russian leadership reconciled with Erdogan and realized that the main thing for Russians was benefit, not the opinion of their own citizens, who had been told for several months what kind of bad guys Turks strive to stab in the back, kill Russian citizens, support igil, invaded Syria. With such a soft and compliant opinion in foreign policy, Russia will never be able to resist tough and stubborn Americans in everything that concerns their interests, who clearly contributed to this pacification. Soon, and this is obvious, we will see a change in the opinion of Russia on Syria, in which now many are perplexed by such maneuvers in Russian-Turkish relations. Money rules the world. It's a shame ...
        2. +13
          30 June 2016 07: 48
          FOR Turkish stream is ready and Russian tourists risk again

          Excuse me, is Putin personally driving these tourists to Turkey personally, or are they still willing to go there on their own?
          After all, we have (and everywhere) a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the minibar and for animator Mustafa dancing in a Mickey Mouse costume in a Turkish hotel, are ready to turn a blind eye to the bloody terrorist attacks in Istanbul and the civil war, which goes to the east of Turkey, and the fact that in Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of Syrian civilians. They are simply far from politics, and this is not reproached, but the usual statement of fact. What kind of Syria, what kind of oil? - Give us a Turkish cut of fruits and vegetables and a cheap Turkish fur coat ...

          And unfortunately there are many of them.
          1. +20
            30 June 2016 08: 32
            Quote: pv1005
            Excuse me, is Putin personally driving these tourists to Turkey personally, or are they still willing to go there on their own?

            Putin himself personally ordered the lifting of restrictions on tourism!
            What else do you need?
            That Putin made trips to Turkey for free?
            Do not doubt! Will go and so. Yes, even as they go!
            Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich! Thanks to your efforts, soon all Russia will have Turkish tomatoes! Listen, maybe Volodya just gets sick? Maybe you need to check it? He began to make too tricky moves!
            Well, in no way did I expect all this from our president! It doesn’t fit in my head! Some kind of clinic ...
            1. +3
              30 June 2016 11: 30
              No, everything has been calculated correctly, at the "request" of the people, the Turkish coast is open, now the "working" people will bask in the warm sun and who have matured in September will vote as they should. And the life of our rhetoricians will follow the same course, we have sweet speeches, they have rolls from the oven, all with their own interests.
            2. +8
              30 June 2016 13: 43
              Putin's abolition of restrictions on tourism with Turks is just a "balm for the soul" for the thugs of the Isis!
              There is no need to look for "Russians", they themselves will crawl in droves, and our government will make a gift for the suicide bombs to please the "friend" Erdogan!
              And the fact that "trampled in crowds" is 100%, because. neither Sochi, nor Crimea "and did not stand next to" Kemer and Belek for the price and comfort!
              Such a gesture of "goodwill" towards the Turks is nothing more than a complete disregard for the safety and lives of our compatriots on the part of our government!
              But then condolences will be handed out and mourning will be introduced ... maybe you shouldn't, Mr. President, play "Russian roulette" ?!
          2. +6
            30 June 2016 08: 39
            It’s too early to talk about the Turkish tourist boom, especially after the Istanbul airport - an example of Egypt, and we have no control with Egypt ... Now a lot of bureaucracy will begin, and those who flew to Turkey so no one even canceled the aeroflot until the last moment.
        3. +7
          30 June 2016 08: 04
          What new do you want from Putin?
          He acted as always ... treacherously in relation to his country, to the memory of the dead!
          The situation with the SU-24 does not remind you, dear members of the forum, the alignment with the Kursk - "... she drowned ..."!
          Stalin also tried to make friends with Hitler ... how did this friendship end, I hope everyone remembers?
          I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!
          1. +11
            30 June 2016 10: 12
            Quote: kepmor
            I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!

            Hard work for them !!! If I were in their place, I wouldn't go to work! I got sick! I flew on vacation! At worst, he "buried" my grandmother.
            With what interesting face do these gentlemen inform us of the new successes of our esteemed presidential?
            1. -2
              30 June 2016 11: 02
              Quote: Stas157
              If I were in their place, I wouldn't go to work! I got sick! I flew on vacation! At worst, my grandmother was "buried

              - that’s why you are still not the President (and thank God) laughing

              But in general - I’m bullshit from the local horse of Tingent: in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information, to stick so many comments - you have to wink

              Nothing personal hi
              1. +2
                30 June 2016 11: 50
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information, stick so many comments - it’s necessary to be able to

                In, in addition to catchy headlines, there is no information. Well, knowing the current paparazzi (the language does not turn out to be called journalists), one must believe anything carefully. In addition, if Erdogan made concessions, God himself ordered to take advantage of the situation and squeeze the maximum out of it, anyone can see it from his little bell tower, and the Kremlin will have a bell tower higher than ours ...
                So we gain patience, and, as they say, we will look ...
                1. 0
                  30 June 2016 21: 22
                  The bell tower of the Kremlin will be higher than ours ...

                  Well, this is well known ... regularly flies from there.
              2. +1
                1 July 2016 10: 17
                you know brother but exactly
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                in the almost complete absence of any intelligible information

                the whole trick is that there are still no clear explanations for our bosses, and apparently it is not expected ... No. and based on the foregoing:
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                stick so many comments - it’s necessary to be able to

                nothing personal. hi
          2. +7
            30 June 2016 14: 09
            1) With "Kursk" - what in general could we oppose NATO in the early 2000s? A couple of hundred tanks without DZ? In those years, at Batey, the air regiment was given 8 tons of fuel per month. And the Su-27 takes more than 9 tons from the PTB.
            2) In the 40, Stalin delayed the war, and the USSR concluded the agreements with Germany in general, after the whole horde of Europeans.
          3. +2
            30 June 2016 17: 14
            Quote: kepmor
            I am very interested, what will Solovyov and Kiselev be "voicing" now ?!

            They are already wailing. "Putin's brilliant foresight" and all that. And also 50 "experts" in a single impulse admire the genius of our time.
            Have you really understood the essence of our TV on this site?
        4. -12
          30 June 2016 08: 48
          I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.
          1. Hon
            +10
            30 June 2016 09: 13
            Quote: Azitral
            I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.

            apologies The Turks said that they did not apologize for anything, and reinforce this by not intending to pay compensation.
          2. +26
            30 June 2016 09: 25
            Quote: Azitral
            I don’t understand - are you Joking? What tomatoes ?! He is not only, but also the last. Unfortunately, in big politics, the situation is the same as in the criminal environment. Erdogan did the most stupid thing possible in the east, he "flinched". After this apology, however formal, he is a political corpse. He will be trampled in a matter of months, 2-3 months, no more than four. This is 100%. The only question is: who will do it and how. Paradox: for us, perhaps it would be better if he did not.

            What apologies, dear, it was only on Russian TV that Mr. Erdogan apologized, and for the rest of the world, he conveyed condolences to the family of the deceased pilot. I am personally afraid of the ease with which the Russian leadership rushes from one extreme to the other.
            1. Old
              +10
              30 June 2016 12: 09
              The Russian leadership rushes from one extreme to another. [/ Quote]
              That's for sure. Nothing prevented a pause. Looks cheap. Definitely!
          3. +2
            30 June 2016 20: 54
            His face twitched - ours. Unfortunately.
        5. +4
          30 June 2016 09: 04
          Quote: Aleksander
          Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...
          1. +8
            30 June 2016 09: 33
            ... here I wrote long, did not pass ... :(

            I repeat.
            It's not even about GDP ...
            The next round of the "Big Game" is underway in BlVostok. Those who don't know about BI can google it ...

            The situation is as follows - Turkey in BI is an object, not a subject, like Syria, Iraq and others. It finally came to Erdogan.

            RF is a subject.
            Because Turkey is an object, it has been instructed by the West to fight the Russian Federation. This is understandable ...
            The Turks still managed to refuse. And if they were against it, they were promised to destroy the country like Libya. By the forces of the Kurds and daish ...

            Erdogan bore the guilt of VVP. As you know, "a guilty head - a sword does not cut" ...
            Well and everything else.

            We need Turkey in the BlVostok, in the near future and to a minimum - "peaceful". To the maximum - "allied". This is where negotiations are underway on the terms ...

            For what?
            That there was no threat of war with them. World Cup neutral and strait. Put an end to the "NATO flotilla" in the World Cup.

            "Allied" means leaving NATO and joining the SCO ... and the EAEU ...
            China - FOR!
            1. +3
              30 June 2016 10: 02
              Agree. NATO is concentrating in Poland - we do not need a second front with Turkey. And I would like to get into a pose, but a compromise is needed. "The East is a tricky business", we have not forgotten anything! But soon, it seems, Clintons will be elected, and she is not friends with her head at all, plus the crazy Erdogan is too much. We need to tame someone.
            2. +3
              30 June 2016 13: 49
              What a fright Erdogan will leave NATO. Have you eaten from the morning?
              1. 0
                30 June 2016 18: 00
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                What a fright Erdogan will leave NATO. Have you eaten from the morning?

                The Tambov Wolf, here is this - "what have you eaten since the morning" - an insult and an open hint of inferiority, is not it? I'm not even familiar with you. :(

                Oh well, forgive your problems ...

                And as for the exit, think for yourself -
                1. The EU does not accept. Now even the introduction is becoming irrelevant.
                2. They do not provide military assistance. But at the same time, they are secretly pushing to fight with Russia in the back.
                3. The same "people from behind the scenes" threaten to tear the country apart (Kurdish question) for disobedience, see paragraph 2

                On the other hand -
                China needs stability on one of the branches of the Silk Road. Russia - stability and predictability at the World Cup.
                This is what catches the eye. And there are even more arguments for Turkey to join the SCO and the EAEU ...
                1. +2
                  30 June 2016 19: 56
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  And about

                  /// according to the latest information from Turkey -
                  Erdogan's apologies and attack on the airport

                  The matter was not limited to words, as it turned out, R. Erdogan sent a delegation of negotiators to Moscow - former senior officials of the Turkish special services and retired military personnel. Only retirees went to parliament as Putin, he did not let the current chief of military intelligence at the last minute. Negotiators flew a tricky charter flight. Here in the morning, back in the evening.
                  ...
                  Accurate to the estimated time of the return of parliamentarians home to Istanbul Ataturk Airport and An attack by armed and professionally trained people occurred.
                  ...
                  From the information leaked to the media, it is known that the attack was committed on the departure lounge of international flights. At the entrance to the hall, the airport security did not let in some people who threw grenades towards the conveyor belt and started firing.
                  ...
                  All local reporters who reported the dry facts from the scene without realizing it, They gave a clear picture for the experts: well-trained army special forces operated at the Istanbul airport, and not amateur terrorists from the RKK or ISIS.

                  The operation was not prepared in advance, just went on an assault, ran into the guards who met the parliamentarians and a skirmish ensued.
                  ...
                  And there were no “suicide bombers” and no “belts” in the terminal in the first messages of correspondents and eyewitnesses. For the first half hour, news agencies broadcast truthful information from the scene.
                  Something too many PMCs have divorced in Turkey lately ...
                  ...
                  If R. Erdogan does not refuse his apology during the night, then perhaps he should be excused. After a shootout at a native airport, only a very brave man can continue to bend his line ...

                  T. Volkova
                  http://pravosudija.net/article/izvineniya-erdogana-i-napadenie-na-aeroport

                  And you all - "the limit ... sold ... leaked"
                  1. +2
                    30 June 2016 20: 33
                    Interestingly, and the PMC, as you write, whose was it? Really ours or amerikosovskaya? Then it's really bad. Or you insert some kind of Volkova, which no one can call her, like another "blogger". Believe in fairy tales and so on.
                    1. +2
                      30 June 2016 21: 30
                      Quote: Tambov Wolf
                      .Or you insert some sort of Volkova

                      ... and meanwhile T.Vlkova is an aunt who is informed and has connections in the special services of many countries. As a rule, it is used to drain something ...
                      Here are other sources -
                      http://alex-leshy.livejournal.com

                      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/327426-nadana-fridrihson-v-turcii-hotya
                      t-ubrat-erdogana-s-posta-prezidenta.html

                      As for PMCs - they are in Turkey as a dagger of uncircumcised, and as a rule Western ones (Pasha himself admitted at the beginning of events in Syria).
                  2. +2
                    1 July 2016 00: 19
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    according to the latest information from Turkey

                    It’s interesting, if ISIS and Erdogan are rooting, why would they make a terrorist attack?
                    Option one: this is not ISIS.
                    Option two: ISIS didn’t really like something.
                    There is something to think about ...
                  3. 0
                    2 July 2016 07: 53
                    Something I, dear Rus2012,
                    I didn’t understand at all from your quoted article ...
                    By logic and chronology, does Erdogan organize an attack on the airport?
                    In order to disrupt negotiations with Moscow for himself?
                    After all, it has long been known that he has a conflict with the security forces. And, the same military for peace with Russia. This means another conclusion: the siloviki themselves are not interested in disrupting the negotiations without Erdogan.
                    This I mean that you at least decipher, why these incoherent facts about the terrorist attack at the airport? Otherwise, why quote, what did you quote?
                    1. 0
                      2 July 2016 10: 32
                      Quote: Barnaul, Altai
                      I didn’t understand at all from your quoted article ...

                      /// the fact is that Turkey has special forces from third countries - uninterested in normalizing relations between Russia and Turkey ...

                      Yes, and all the attacks taking place there, also something very good. unlike Daish’s actions.
                      The meaning of these attacks is to push the Ottoman authorities in the direction necessary for these third countries ...
              2. 0
                1 July 2016 10: 22
                Apparently the fungi have grown up! wink
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            4. +1
              1 July 2016 10: 20
              Quote: Rus2012
              "Allied" means leaving NATO and joining the SCO ... and the EAEU ...

              fresh tradition, but hard to believe!
              I didn’t say read the classics. when did the Turks keep their word? I don’t remember something for the past 300 years.
              1. 0
                1 July 2016 10: 33
                Quote: Viktor Demchenko
                when did the Turks keep their word? I don’t remember something for the last 300 years.

                Of the latter -
                ... Ottomans already over 50let almost regularly perform the role of a member of NATO. At the very least, but do it. What will prevent them from being the same members in the SCO and the EAEU?

                And by the way, I’ll remind you once again if you don’t read VO -

                But it didn’t make sense to forget - "the Ottomans only understand the stick"from old Slavonic ...


                This is for the fact that it's time ALREADY to learn to us use visual management tools in foreign policy in the form of - carrot & stick!
                And it seems that training is going in the right direction ...
        6. +3
          30 June 2016 09: 38
          I agree completely. Unexpectedly and incomprehensibly mild reaction of the president.
        7. +3
          30 June 2016 10: 21
          Putin has not yet taken any retaliatory action ... but he is no longer right ...
        8. +6
          30 June 2016 16: 10
          In this situation, I would not draw hasty conclusions that Putin is right or wrong:
          1. The author is not quite right talking about the term, "4 dozen minutes", "a couple of lengthy statements", etc. I've been talking for a long time, but what they show us on the news is what we WANT to show
          2. There are certain statements from the Turkish side as well as from our side, but these are still statements, "prepare", "develop", etc. There are no specific steps.
          3. I think that all concessions from our side will go in exchange for Syria. Those. this is the abolition of assistance to Turkey "militants", the closure of the border. This is at least. Erdogan's situation is now very unenviable, Kurdistan is growing brightly in Syria and Iraq, and in the future in Turkey, a real war in eastern Turkey, terrorist attacks, a drop in tourist traffic and a general economic recession. Erdogan has nowhere to go. I think we'll take advantage of this.
          4. if everything is as I wrote, then in the near future it is worth waiting for a strong change in the situation in Syria, namely a big movement of CAA.

          That’s briefly, you have to run ..
        9. +2
          30 June 2016 17: 39
          Think Putin decided .. did! Let’s look at the patriotism of citizens who will flock to warm beaches, how they will buy Turkish tomatoes and not domestic ones, how companies will (will not) invite Turkish workers, and so on! Much depends on the people, and not on the ruler, at least in a question to adequately answer Turkey, we at the people have significant, effective levers and ways!
        10. -1
          30 June 2016 19: 15
          Bravo, Aleksander! I fully support you! Blown away, blown away! Maybe buddies dropping grandmas have run over, maybe someone else has run over? Only here the rating suffered - that's for sure! and there was nothing to make a terrible face and speak with metal in a voice about the bitter retribution of Erdogan, for the insults inflicted on Russia.
        11. PKK
          -1
          30 June 2016 19: 28
          Does this hte write here that Putin is wrong? Probably a cool politician from Texas? Only they know the theory of global governance much better than Putin!
        12. +4
          1 July 2016 01: 00
          Do Russians drive a stick to Turkey? And in the former scenario, the herds of tourists traveled through Minsk and nothing interfered.
          And everyone seems to have eyes, TV shows that in Turkey there is a civil war, bearded hares flee in numbers. Mind do not want to have a good time in Egypt and Turkey? Well, since there is no mind, consider a cripple. Regretfully.

          To the question, would I go to Turkey? Answer I would not go before the story of the SU-24, but now even more so. Altai Karelia and others. We have a lot of beautiful and good places.
        13. 0
          1 July 2016 12: 34
          If a politician strives to ensure that all neighbors suffer, for his mistakes and will not reach out to establish relations, then at some point there will be no relations.
        14. +4
          1 July 2016 13: 08
          Quote: Black
          Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this paskuda? Take care of the honor of Russia!


          Yes, Putin did ugly, even Turkey didn’t suffer even with tomatoes.
          FOR THE TURKISH STREAM, I am ready to risk Russian tourists again and forgive ISIS support. Now, obviously, caravans of oil across the Turkish border, the videoconferencing will cease to be seen. He puts his head under eternal blackmail by a pipe to the Turks, and these are no worse than ukrov.
          Not right, Putin, not right, IMHO ...


          disgusting at heart ... compared to Ukraine, which is consistent in its hatred of Russia, fought for Savchenko and returned home, our government officials do not even think about the country's image and how ordinary citizens feel ... and these are our media like mongrel - they poured mud over the Turks, and now they will urgently lick! loot steers as always. No one is against the normalization of relations, but you can’t make yourself a laughing stock of the whole world - a couple of phrases and right there in a few days, the enemy-Turk turns ... turns ... generally turned ... You do not have to pretend to be a defeated enemy (although here another question is whether he was defeated, most likely this is an Ottoman trick), but to throw himself into a hug at such a speed is not very decent, although what am I talking about ... the Englishman Dunning said this in the 19th century -
          "... with 300 percent there is no crime that capital would not risk, even if only on pain of the gallows."
        15. 0
          1 July 2016 13: 17
          High politics! Higher matters! But the soul is not good. It’s somehow not right! Tomatoes, Mustafa - peace - friendship - corn ... Was Russia scared? ...
        16. 0
          1 July 2016 21: 16
          I agree, Putin V.V. is wrong. With a reservation, according to the information of which we own. But it seems to me that we don’t know much (probably we don’t know). Therefore, I don’t want to draw such a conclusion.
      2. +19
        30 June 2016 06: 47
        (Vladimir Vladimirovich, is it worth it to stoop to this crap? Take care of Russia's honor!)

        late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off
      3. +36
        30 June 2016 07: 09
        Quote: Black
        Take care of the honor of Russia!
        Well, firstly, when the state system is oligarchic capitalism, it is stupid to declare such intangible concepts as some kind of "honor", "dignity", etc. What is profitable is also moral.
        Secondly, the USSR until June 22, 1941, too, actively traded and economically collaborated with fascist Germany. And Hitler was worse than Erdogan, agree. However, we do not consider such actions of the Soviet Union immoral.
        And also, by the way about Russian tourists. If there are imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day, then they will rest there without any prohibitions or permits. This is how they go through Minsk to Turechchina now. But this is their personal choice and personal hemorrhoids.
        1. +10
          30 June 2016 08: 43
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          about Russian tourists. If there are already imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day

          If, before, imbeciles went to Turkey, now Putin has told EVERYONE to go! And I didn’t forget about the attack! Said nonsense! His friend, Erdogan promised to ensure safety! Ah, Putin believes friends!
          1. -2
            30 June 2016 08: 52
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            about Russian tourists. If there are already imbeciles for whom Turkey remains "our all" to this day

            If, before, imbeciles went to Turkey, now Putin has told EVERYONE to go! And I didn’t forget about the attack! Said nonsense! His friend, Erdogan promised to ensure safety! Ah, Putin believes friends!

            Well, okay, let's say Putin dumped Vanka, but do you have a head on your shoulders or are you just eating into it? And yes, the word POSSIBLE in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE does not mean MANDATORY.
            1. +9
              30 June 2016 09: 31
              Quote: pv1005
              Well, okay, let's say Putin dumped Vanka, but do you have a head on your shoulders or are you just eating into it? And yes, the word POSSIBLE in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE does not mean MANDATORY.

              Then, why was it forbidden to travel to Turkey (and Egypt) at all, since we have a head on our shoulders ???
              And, for those who do not have a head, what do you suggest?
          2. +3
            30 June 2016 09: 09
            What are you? Straight, everything is just this, and they were waiting for Putin to "say EVERYTHING is possible" and now they will break, because no one in Russia has their own brain, in your opinion))) As citizens of 404, Putin is apparently almighty and all-guilty))
            1. +2
              30 June 2016 10: 26
              Quote: nekot
              What are you? Straight, everything is just this, and they were waiting for Putin to "say EVERYTHING is possible" and now they will break, because no one in Russia has their own brain, in your opinion))) As citizens of 404, Putin is apparently almighty and all-guilty))

              Ah, then! You can talk about the brain as much as you like, but this does not negate the fact that now millions of Russian tourists will go to Turkey! And Turkey will again bathe in Russian billions!
              And now, if misfortune, terrorist attack, or ISIS takes someone hostage, it will be entirely on the conscience of our president !!!
              1. +1
                30 June 2016 10: 38
                Quote: Stas157
                but this does not negate the fact that now millions of Russian tourists will go to Turkey

                When they go then we’ll talk.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2016 11: 07
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  When they go then we’ll talk.

                  Do you doubt it?
                  Then I will disappoint you, so far, despite the ban on Turkey, HUNDREDS of thousands of our tourists have already traveled (30℅ from the former stream!). We flew regular flights of our own Aeroflot, bought tickets through fraternal Belarus and non-fraternal Ukraine!
                  Now, when our patriotic business tour will provide the Russians with charters, the masses of Russians, with the blessing of the caring president, will flood into the cheaper Ultra Inclusive! And no terrorist attacks of the Russians, for the most part, have ever frightened!
                  1. +3
                    30 June 2016 11: 20
                    Quote: Stas157
                    masses of Russians, with the blessing of the president, will pour in a stream on the cheaper Ultra Inclusive

                    - and the flag in hand .. does not reach through the head - will reach through the back (possibly)

                    Quote: Stas157
                    Despite the ban, Hundreds of thousands of our tourists have already traveled to Turkey (30℅ from the former stream!)

                    - where does 30% come from? Why not 130%? The mess ...

                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    When they go then we’ll talk.
                    Do you doubt it?

                    - By the way, I, too ... doubt. I would not go laughing
                    1. 0
                      30 June 2016 11: 29
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - where does 30% come from? Why not 130%? The mess ...

                      Take an interest in our statistics, take an interest in Turkish. It is open to anyone who can use the Internet. It doesn’t work, I’m throwing links! 30% is not the biggest number of ratings! And, if you divide any of the ratings into the former tour stream, then tell me how much you will succeed.
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Incidentally, I, too ... doubt it. I would not go

                      You would not go, congratulations, but hundreds of thousands have already traveled!
                      1. +1
                        1 July 2016 00: 06
                        Quote: Stas157
                        It doesn’t work, I’m throwing links! 30% is not the biggest number of ratings!

                        I don’t care, at least thirty percent, at least thirty, I don’t suffer from Turkophobia, not hidden, not explicit, they want to go - a flag in my hands and a drum on my neck. Hooked on your self-confident words about the future, maybe tomorrow the world will end, or the third world? or vice versa, Turkey will withdraw from NATO and we will all rest in Antalya.
                        P.S. Our people don’t take a taxi to the bakery.
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            2. +10
              30 June 2016 11: 18
              You as a citizen of 404 apparently Putin is omnipotent and ominous))



              no, now the other extreme, Putin is nobody, so the small manager at the money-gouger. lol Do not know whose huge network of gas stations and oil refineries in Turkey? A name like Lukoil and Alikperov is not familiar? In fact, all this is a complex gnawing pack, forced to adhere to its internal rules. The desire to dig in this pile of elite manure has disappeared.
              1. +6
                30 June 2016 11: 37
                Quote: dauria
                Do not know whose huge network of gas stations and oil refineries in Turkey? A name like Lukoil and Alikperov is not familiar? In fact, all this is a complex gnawing pack, forced to adhere to its internal rules. The desire to dig in this pile of elite manure has disappeared.

                I agree! Someone for the honor of Russia worries and hurts the soul for a downed pilot! (People) And someone for their hard-earned money (elite) ...
          3. +3
            30 June 2016 10: 51
            Well, this does not mean that everyone will go. Not all of us are stupid people in a country where the civil war is going to rest.
          4. +2
            30 June 2016 13: 52
            Probably Erdogan promised to enter the Ozero cooperative. Therefore, faith immediately appeared.
        2. +6
          30 June 2016 09: 06
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Secondly, the USSR until June 22, 1941, too, actively traded and economically collaborated with fascist Germany. And Hitler was worse than Erdogan, agree.
          Only when the Germans were declared enemies, they fought with them until victory, as with others (Finns, Japanese) - and did not bend after out of the blue. The point was then to play this offense with the Turks ?! what benefits did Russia get in the end?
        3. +4
          30 June 2016 10: 00
          In politics, what is profitable is also moral. And the one who acts differently is not a politician, from him the country is only harmful. And any actions of dubious morality - if they are for the benefit of the country! - God will forgive. Although here it is necessary to keep the line, not to be friends with Paul Pot, Bakassa or some Himmler. And at least neutral relations with Turkey are badly needed by the Russian Federation. "Politics puts the most unexpected figures in one bed" - something like that Churchill said.
      4. +7
        30 June 2016 09: 01
        I agree with you, some kind of "mnogohodovachka" strange from our guarantor.
      5. +7
        30 June 2016 13: 02
        I agree with you completely! Just a SHAME! What is it that everyone can shoot down Russian planes?
      6. icy
        +6
        30 June 2016 14: 15
        I have the same opinion! Putin has lost my confidence with this act!
      7. 0
        1 July 2016 12: 28
        You can turn your back on all the scum, but the problem is that almost all politicians are like that. and now what? live behind the iron curtain? politics is more complex and forces management to often take ugly actions. not for me to judge, but to judge from the position of "right / wrong" not knowing all the facts is just stupid.
        And our media, I am sure, have overdone in the demonization of Erdogan. As for the worms in oranges and so on - the same as with products from Moldova, Belarus and Georgia. When conflicts start, they immediately find the jambs. They always are, waiting for this SanEpidem CONTROL and exist, but these are just pretexts in order to punish those who are politically objectionable
    2. +29
      30 June 2016 06: 29
      Quote: PKK
      It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

      There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
      Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.
      1. -2
        30 June 2016 06: 52
        I agree, the moment is ripe. Erdogan, everywhere, wherever possible and impossible, got shit, but somehow you have to live, so you have to turn yourself inside out: normalize relations with Israel, turn a movie back with Russia.
        1. +4
          30 June 2016 10: 20
          Quote: inkass_98
          Erdogan, wherever possible and impossible, has been ruffled, but somehow you need to live, so you have to turn inside out:

          Correct phrase, just change the surname "Erdogan" to "Putin"
      2. +7
        30 June 2016 08: 09
        Quote: atalef
        Apparently at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide.

        Yesterday, the news flashed about the possibility of resuming the Turkish stream, a coincidence of course :-)
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      4. +4
        30 June 2016 09: 04
        Quote: atalef
        Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.

        At that moment, when there was news that Erdogan conveyed an apology to Putin that no one had seen! Everyone began to write that this is again a victory for Russia, Erdogan is asking for forgiveness, but Russia will not buy tomatoes like it anyway, just like going to Turkey! That this is a long process for years! He must be earned!

        But, before Erdogan had time to pay for the plane and his family, Putin ordered orders to travel to Turkey and flood Russia with Turkish tomatoes!

        In fact, it seems that these apologies are ritual, conditional in nature, designed for the Russians! And, Russia and Turkey have already agreed on everything BEFORE Erdogan apologizes! One can only guess what was suggested by Erdogan ...
      5. +3
        30 June 2016 09: 29
        Quote: atalef
        There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
        Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.

        There is a strong suspicion that the interests of today's Turkey went against the plans of the previous day in relation to ISIS, Syrian and Kurdish issues.
        Add to this the GDP statement on extend the food embargo on the same day, and not until the end of the current 2016, but immediately until December 2017.
        Plus - the statement of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation on the serious aggravation of the situation on the western borders of Russia.
        One gets the impression that Russia is trying to "relieve tension" on its southern flank.
      6. -1
        30 June 2016 10: 26
        Absolutely agree. It was necessary to make an apology, but to force him to crawl on his belly, licking the carpet, in this case, to nothing. He is dead after such an apology. Akela missed. Erdogan is a dead wolf. And - not very smart, because frankly speaking, it was useless to shoot down our plane.
    3. +9
      30 June 2016 06: 36
      What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
      1. +14
        30 June 2016 07: 20
        An interesting point, Erdogan said for 8 months that they would not apologize and consider their actions correct, etc., etc., but as soon as he wrote to Putin, he forgave him two days later, but what about the support of terrorism and the purchase of oil from ISIS? Forgive or is it a lie to the media?
    4. +4
      30 June 2016 09: 00
      What were we waiting for? Poroshenkovskaya factory works and no one closed it, what is the fundamental difference?
    5. +5
      30 June 2016 09: 16
      Quote: PKK
      It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

      Who beat him, this Erdogan, and why, let me ask. Are they not the same notorious tomatoes?
      1. +46
        30 June 2016 09: 18
        Coming soon on TV
        1. +8
          30 June 2016 09: 32
          Igor39
          koro on television
          laughing good laughing good
    6. +6
      30 June 2016 09: 54
      You PKK, in vain wrote about the world. Now homegrown eagles will peck. Well, they all want to fight, give them blood. True, they represent a computer game war. There they are heroes. Until in reality finger is pinched. Immediately tears and squirrels. Minus, the TV-fighters, bring yourself pleasure to orgasm.
    7. +1
      30 June 2016 10: 37
      It’s wrong, although the Dunkin’s children didn’t take anything to fade, but they don’t praise themselves and pour slop over the opponent, and every day on all TV channels so that people don’t forget, but they smell a bit of loot, they take the exact opposite decision and will laugh world and own people. Well, do it in an extreme quiet, since your hands are in ...., don’t put yours ... on display.
    8. icy
      +1
      30 June 2016 14: 21
      Do you believe Erdogan? Maybe he needs Russian tourists to hide behind terrorist attacks?
    9. -5
      30 June 2016 14: 50
      state interests are not measured by tomatoes and even a pilot shot down to great bitterness, it is not possible to surround oneself with enemies, Erdogans come and go, and Russia and Turkey remain neighbors for centuries
      1. Alf
        +2
        30 June 2016 21: 47
        Quote: Axon
        Russia and Turkey remain for centuries, neighbors

        As long as Russia didn’t adjoin Turkey, as many Russia had to hold a fist in front of Turkey before their eyes;
    10. +2
      30 June 2016 14: 51
      Thinking out loud. So mnogohodovka, or still got off the tomatoes? ..
      request "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
      Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. " feel in our opinion: "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our wise men never dreamed of ..." William, ours, you know, Shakespeare ... winked
      our people's indignation knows no boundaries, BUT, we DO NOT KNOW everything "behind the scenes", perhaps everything is going according to a damn plan, which we do not know, perhaps one day we will find out the price. what
    11. 0
      30 June 2016 15: 36
      It’s not for children, it will be for adults.
    12. -1
      30 June 2016 17: 10
      I doubt very much that the conversation was held in the vein:
      try to suggest that Mr. Erdogan, as modern youth says, sculpted excuses


      Politics is generally a dirty business. Sometimes, and in public, you have to pour out a tub of shit on yourself in order to "convince" someone.
      In the conversation between the leaders, there could be anything but excuses: starting from the banal blackmail by Turkey of Russia, for example, taking Putin's daughter (grandson) hostage, ending with the most ordinary bribe.
      Between these extremes are:
      - the approaching demarche of Iran in the war with ISIS, its tricks with the United States, etc.
      - a real clash between the armed forces of Russia and Turkey (not covered in the media) with the guilt of the first side (blackmail and bun).
      - taking into account the interests of Gazprom and probable difficulties with the Northern Stream 2. Here are the tricks of Gazprom and Ukraine after 2019.
      - recognition (in the future) of Crimea as part of Russia.
      - The promise to share the dough from the transit oil of ISIS.
      - convincing blackmail by Turkey of Russia about opening a front in the Caucasus. They can do it even better than the Saudis.
      - ....
      - ....

      We probably will never know the real reason, and if we do, then when it is no longer important.
      There are a lot of options, their intricate combinations are possible, but certainly not WASTES. Author, deuce those.

      And one more thing: conversation is the culmination of agreements. Everything was decided a few days earlier.
    13. +1
      30 June 2016 17: 17
      Wait, wait, and who asserted in full, they say, Turkey is an accomplice of the terrorists? With whom to normalize relations? For what? Gas ... Oil ... Rubbed down VVP. Life does not teach anything. Is it really necessary for the well-being of the citizens of your country VVP. Zatoshnilo. One bream swallowed, get the back of your head ready for the next one, it's not far off. Are you chasing America? What would have happened if the US plane had been shot down? Oh, what do the "Canadians" do with tomatoes ...
      1. Alf
        +3
        30 June 2016 21: 49
        Quote: GYGOLA
        Is it really necessary for the well-being of the citizens of your country GDP.

        This is necessary for the welfare of some citizens of your country.
    14. +2
      30 June 2016 18: 16
      Most of all enrages, this is our media, which says that Turkey admits its mistakes and asks for forgiveness, but there is not one word in this letter, there is no acknowledgment of the error and there is no request to forgive, there is only one thing and that they regret the plane’s crash , and these are different things. Putin is clearly wrong, of course we'll see what happens next, but still a big disappointment.
    15. +2
      30 June 2016 19: 20
      Absolutely. Big politics is very different from a brawl at a pub. What Erdogan said to Putin and what he promised in exchange for restoring relations - we do not know. Why do we think Putin is an idiot? He never showed himself as such anywhere. Any serious politician would want to use the situation with "apologies" in his own interests, and Putin is no exception. As for the idiots with their nesting dolls, who are ready to go even under a battleship's salvo, just to warm their ass in the sun - there have been a lot of them at all times, and their choice is their choice. Something like this....
    16. +3
      1 July 2016 03: 10
      Weak on one spot was the GDP ........
      Yes, and right after the terrorist attack it turns out to be safe in Turkey ....... belay
      1. 0
        1 July 2016 14: 11
        What did I say? The most shaped turbo drain is! Gut is thin Putin seriously defend Russian interest.
  2. +1
    30 June 2016 06: 22
    Most likely I decided to get rid of tomatoes so that it would not get worse.
  3. +16
    30 June 2016 06: 22
    Dear media, wait with your articles about Erdogan and Putin.

    I think that Putin did not say 90 percent of all the information about the conversation with the Turkish president, because this is not for publicity.
    They flooded the entire Internet yesterday with expert discussions, again Putin leaked or not ??

    Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.
    1. +20
      30 June 2016 06: 31
      Quote: chikenous59
      Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.

      you can’t believe Erdogan. He threw them all more than once - he would throw them again.
      Our Bibi is the same water as a relationship. 78% of the population is against.
      Bibi it still comes around in the elections.
      1. +29
        30 June 2016 06: 47
        I would call these maneuvers a game for the interests of "our everything" - Gazprom. That's all.
      2. -6
        30 June 2016 10: 42
        With whom did you fix it? With Erdogan? Is Israel really such a warlike mood? In my opinion, it is important that you do not crap, but nobody forces you to kiss his mustache or turn his back to him.
    2. +3
      30 June 2016 10: 57
      And not even through a personal meeting, but after some fairly decent time on the changes in the situation in the world, as a result of this meeting.
    3. +7
      30 June 2016 21: 04
      Quote: chikenous59
      Dear media, wait with your articles about Erdogan and Putin.

      I think that Putin did not say 90 percent of all the information about the conversation with the Turkish president, because this is not for publicity.
      They flooded the entire Internet yesterday with expert discussions, again Putin leaked or not ??

      Judging what will happen next is possible only after a personal meeting of the two presidents.

      This is the most reasonable comment on this thread. Yes
  4. +29
    30 June 2016 06: 35
    "In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of your head and raise your eyebrows higher with an" all-explaining "thought seeking a way out:" At least a multi-move ... Well, at least a multi-move "..."
    Over the past 25 years, Russia, or rather its leadership, has made a lot of mistakes, shameful and vile deeds in relation to the allies, the army, and its citizens. So I do not believe in multi-way, but I hope that the country is a goof is not forever. wink
    1. +16
      30 June 2016 08: 30
      "In general, there is a reason to scratch the back of your head and raise your eyebrows higher with an" all-explaining "thought seeking a way out:" At least a multi-move ... Well, at least a multi-move "..."
      -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------
      What are the multi-moves? What are you talking about? Their whole game is "buy and sell" If they knew how to think and calculate, then during these 15 years our country would already be a mini-China in terms of the economy. Multimode ... funny. Their lot is two plus two.
      1. -5
        30 June 2016 11: 01
        "would be a mini-China in terms of the economy ..."
        With what joy? For an industrial leap into the furnace, you need to throw either crazy grandmothers or people - this is with any brains, because miracles do not happen. In the late 20s, there was no money in the USSR, they threw people, because there was no way out, only everyone was lost. China has 10 times more people, and its leaders also threw people into the furnace, only not in an idiotic way, as under Mao, but in mind. Then came the money. You can spend people on a jerk in different ways: forced labor, in the camps, when you cannot lure people with kindness, as in some Norilsk or Vorkuta, or ruin, for example, peasants so that they agree to any payment terms. Cleverly called: "Compensation below the level of simple reproduction of labor." Work to wear. This is not an accusation, it just does not happen otherwise when the heavy industry is desperately needed, there is no money, and the surrounding enemies do not lend money. You are unhappy, and the current situation is exceptional, almost impossible luck (not "luck", these are different things, luck is only for the daring). We, in all appearances, should have collapsed already in 94, if not earlier, and not triple GDP in 15 years after the default.
  5. +30
    30 June 2016 06: 38
    Salvage defeats evil! Well this is what kind of losses were respected people. What are the people? Ugh! Women still give birth .... It seems that we all have now. They have a smart face and encouraging speeches. But you hold on.
    1. -5
      30 June 2016 08: 10
      Why do we have? They don’t have me, why talk about everyone? Speak for yourself.
      Essentially. There is a proposal, when the merkhel and oppland first appear at the airport of the Russian Federation with a visit, wrap their flippers and imprison them in a crustacean pose, remember them 812 and 41, there our people were killed, who else, and the President of Afghanistan to feed with lard, remember him 10 years, our brother died and was crippled as well. The President of Pakistan (his country is generally accepted as a partner) on a rack, for only one "black storks" in the DRA and support against the USSR. And what to do with the Head of one of our republics, where there was a war recently ????? And in general, there are very few countries in the world that have not crap on us sometime and somewhere, and should we tear everything apart and sit with them, pouting their lips proudly? Then it is easier to fence off the whole world with a wall (like Berlin))
      The president is a politician who acts as he considers necessary in this situation based on given realities and information (and he (info) has more than ours))
      As for the rest in Turkey. If they allow, here we will see who and how dear the honor of Russia, its officers and soldiers. Something seems to me that again crowds of tourists will rush, who will deeply spit on morality and memory of provocation, and fur coats and tomatoes are close, will they have you here again ???
      In general, the position is astounding, soon the wife will change her husband, they will blame the President))) But isn’t it better to delve into yourself sometimes?
      1. -5
        30 June 2016 08: 28
        In the top ten !!! Putin has his own court, and you answer for yourself !!!
        1. +5
          30 June 2016 14: 02
          Gunyok, the people elected the president. He is responsible to the people and answer. What else did the court invent?
      2. +4
        30 June 2016 10: 04
        spoiled many countries of Russia. But the normalization of relations took place after they were punched in the dumbest way, the same 1812 and 1941 that you mentioned. And here the situation is so indignant that the "cut" stage is not observed. So ... little slap in the face. And the desire of the leadership for Turkey to quickly mumble something like "call" through its teeth. I do not agree with Putin, it is not yet clear - what was it?
      3. +6
        30 June 2016 10: 41
        Quote: Shark Lover
        Something seems to me that again crowds of tourists will rush, who will deeply spit on morality and memory of provocation, and fur coats and tomatoes are close

        You better tell about morality to our president, who gave this very permission!
        1. +2
          30 June 2016 14: 30
          Yes, I’m saying that the President is to blame for everything, EVERYTHING !!))))))) He banned Turkey; Especially for those who drove rags from there and sold here in stalls. You will pass through the shopping center from the cells only and you can hear the President is to blame. Allowed, the other half is again to blame.
          And what kind of morality are you talking about in politics?
  6. +16
    30 June 2016 06: 39
    Igor yesterday on channel 10 of ITV repeated the report of a month ago from Turkey. Erdogan now has an ass. He ordered to grow an obedient instrument from ISIS, but it turned out that, as in other such cases, the poisonous snake is not tamed. According to Turkish security officials, there are up to 100 active jihadist cells in the country. What are you sowing ...
  7. -15
    30 June 2016 06: 42
    Someone is still sure that politics is done with clean hands in white clothes? If the normalization of relations with the Turks will help to break the blockade, then you have to go for it. Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough? Life goes on. And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.
    1. +9
      30 June 2016 07: 03
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough?

      Few. This is not a goal.
      For super-impudence and super-cynicism, even in politics ...
      "Stab in the back" will count anyway.
      1. -2
        30 June 2016 07: 44
        This is not a goal, it is a demonstration of opportunities. The goals are much higher and the stakes are incredibly high.
    2. +7
      30 June 2016 08: 36
      And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.
      ---------------------------------------
      And who said that this is not so. Putin just lost his face, instantly, without a pause, rushing to meet this turkey. Here it is worth thinking about, but why?
      Yes, everything is simple - the business is on fire for the "friends", so they are pressing, hike, to Vova.
    3. +4
      30 June 2016 09: 12
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.

      in fact, it happened - the child saw that no one was paying attention to his grievances and, using the first excuse, stopped sulking, and again the world was a chewing gum friendship.
    4. +9
      30 June 2016 09: 37
      Quote: Michael m
      Someone is still sure that politics is done with clean hands in white clothes? If the normalization of relations with the Turks will help to break the blockade, then you have to go for it. Putin has shown that he can bring Erdogan to his knees. Is this not enough? Life goes on. And good relations with neighbors are much better than a puffed-up proud look of an offended child who refuses candy.

      Something I did not see Mr. Erdogan, kneeling before Putin or Russia, in the literal and figurative sense of the word. bully
      1. 0
        30 June 2016 14: 32
        In terms of cancer? Well, you give a pancake))
  8. +5
    30 June 2016 06: 43
    It is difficult to disagree with the author, but there is one but! The GDP is a strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move, I'm afraid to suppose having revealed the president’s move, everything looks like Russia will be the "overseer" in BV and Europe in the foreseeable future, I don’t believe that the Turks have become our friends never and can substitute or strike in the back at any moment, but the situation in the world has developed so that a very delicate game must be played, the EU is bursting at the seams, Germany and Turkey are ready to devour each other, the vile-exclusive hegemon is rapidly losing its hegemony. In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!" And why we always had enough enemies from all directions at once, and even enough, the partner differs from the friend in that it can always be changed, but Russia, as you know and have proven more than once, has two allies, and they have never betrayed it in history, and I am sure they will not.
    1. aba
      +13
      30 June 2016 06: 59
      GDP strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move

      But can he throw Russians on the Turkish coast ?! And it is right?!
      For me, this is the last thing that could and should have been resolved.
      By the way, there was information here recently that this month Russia handed over a patrol ship to Egypt, so apparently they would not be upset when they found out about Turkey.
      1. +2
        30 June 2016 08: 07
        And who throws them there? They themselves go there even despite all the prohibitions and warnings. Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there. When will the brains themselves work? Or we will all blame Putin that we have not watched, have not banned, have not threatened. I’m small, I don’t know and don’t know how, and I need to be led by the handle?
        1. aba
          +8
          30 June 2016 08: 20
          Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there.

          This is understandable, but gave the nod to the resumption of tourism in Turkey for the Russians. Apparently, their health undermined by sanctions is so appreciated ... And life!
          Yes, in Egypt, an order of magnitude calmer than in Turkey, but alas ...
          Last year I said that this is not concern for the Russians, but an element of the political game, rather pressure. All recent events are proof of this. But I’ll tell you honestly why I don’t know the pressure on the Arabs, and it doesn’t matter against the background of Turkey, which was vocalized as supporters of terrorism.
          1. -7
            30 June 2016 08: 51
            Quote: aba
            This is understandable, but gave the nod to the resumption of tourism in Turkey for the Russians. Apparently, their health undermined by sanctions is so appreciated ... And life!

            How can you know what he got in return? Vova drove Erdogan into a corner, now he will most likely withdraw dividends. Well, to go there or not to go is everyone’s conscience.
          2. +1
            30 June 2016 11: 08
            So no need to go. By the way, it will be a mature decision. I think this has its own calculation. The Egyptian direction did not really recover.
          3. +1
            30 June 2016 14: 32
            And on what basis should he be banned? Erdogan apologized, and Putin keeps his word. That is why the foreign media say that Putin bent Erdogan, but with us the opposite? And if everyone rushes to Turkey, then it is not Putin's fault. This means only one thing, that citizens who shouted that Putin had leaked everything, do not care for everything and they agree to bend under the Turks and go to them to rest and make them profit. And I will not have any respect for these people.
        2. +6
          30 June 2016 09: 14
          Quote: Humen
          Putin doesn’t send them by force or throw them there.

          Naturally, it doesn’t force them to buy tomatoes either, to hire Turks for construction sites, and to design atomic power plants for NPPs - everything is purely voluntary fellow
        3. +1
          30 June 2016 16: 36
          Quote: Humen
          They themselves go there even despite all the bans

          And then, in case of an "emergency" situation, ours will rush to save them!
    2. +5
      30 June 2016 10: 08
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!"

      so it turns out that they sang primarily about honor, and not about enemies. And with honor in this case, not everything is clear.
  9. 0
    30 June 2016 06: 44
    But Erdogan could shut the Americans the entrance to the Black Sea - for tomatoes.
    1. +4
      30 June 2016 06: 55
      Quote: Pencil
      But Erdogan could shut the Americans the entrance to the Black Sea - for tomatoes.

      And before this, Turkey should withdraw from NATO ??
      1. -3
        30 June 2016 09: 15
        But what if ? Why do you all exclude this option?
        I understand that this is too much, but reading the comments, I get the feeling that the GDP has reported to the commentators about what Erdogan now owes him. Has anyone heard these 40 minutes of conversation?
        We will see how it goes further, because only then will it become clear who bent whom and who leaked what. And we always have time to shout.
        1. 0
          30 June 2016 09: 38
          Quote: ferdiperdozzz
          But what if ? Why do you all exclude this option?

          Are you out of your mind?
          Americans will never allow this.
          And they’ll talk directly, and if it doesn’t reach, then Turkey will receive new terrorist attacks and public unrest in addition.
          1. -1
            30 June 2016 23: 54
            Quote: chikenous59
            Are you out of your mind?
            Americans will never allow this.

            I agree, they will not allow it. But there is such an option.
            And we live in a time when no option can be discounted. In fact, the message of my post was that we here on the site know about what's going on a little more than nichrome :) Compared to those who agree there.
  10. +6
    30 June 2016 06: 47
    The king is played by the retinue. Therefore, foreign policy "fluger" depends on the interests of those in power. It is not for nothing that during the period of "perestroika" the banal phrase that "Russia is a country with an unpredictable history" emerged. How can we talk about current politics ... belay
  11. +13
    30 June 2016 06: 48
    On the soul, the precipitate is terrible from this situation, but there is one point that gives hope that this precipitate will dissolve. Already it happened that it seemed: Putin was wrong, Putin made a mistake, and then - once, and this turns out to be a brilliant decision or a very clever multi-way.
    Let's see ... In the meantime, a terrible sediment on the soul.
  12. +8
    30 June 2016 06: 49
    GDP-for-cheeeeeeeeeeeeee ??? what Now explain clearly the reason, otherwise today's statements smack of betrayal of your people ... my humble opinion hi ... we are waiting for the development of the situation, I really hope that this action has a reasonable explanation. negative
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 07: 19
      It's like with Nadia in a couple of weeks we will find out or never know
  13. aba
    +11
    30 June 2016 06: 51
    with an “all-explaining” thought seeking a way out: “At least a multi-way ... Well, at least a multi-way” ...

    Rather, it looks like a multi-nibble (amount in bucks).
  14. +7
    30 June 2016 06: 53
    Tourism in Turkey is open. And through many channels there are constantly statistics: there are so many terrorist attacks, so many victims, time, place. Like, see for yourself, and yes, no one is holding.
  15. +4
    30 June 2016 06: 58
    But after all, hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, sorry for inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey

    This permit will affect slightly the number of tourists. According to the Federal Tourism Agency, despite the ban, Antalya won the first place in attendance among Russians. We went through Belarus. Tours are quietly sold in travel agencies. With this, even the scandal was when Roskomnadzor began to close sites with advertising trips to Turkey, forgetting that the recommendations do not have a legal basis for closing the site. So those who wanted to go despite a bad relationship with Erdogan.
  16. +6
    30 June 2016 06: 58
    Friendship is good, but fighting is bad - in my opinion, this is undeniable. But it is better to be friends where it is beneficial to you, and not to your "friend". Tourism is a wonderful thing, especially inexpensive, but first guarantee security, end the civil war and that's it ... go ahead. And with the apology somehow not everything was decided: for the support of the bandits in the North Caucasus, in the Crimea, the separatists in Tatarstan, not a word of apology, but why? We also care.
    But tourists - in the last turn, when the situation settles down. If one of the vacationers dies from the explosion or is sold into slavery, an indignant chorus of voices will immediately sound: where Putin was looking! Is it necessary?
    And he said the right words: I will instruct to study the issue. Does anyone remember how fast questions are being worked out in the bureaucracy? And there already the New Year is just around the corner. As eastern wisdom says: No need to rush.
  17. +17
    30 June 2016 06: 58
    That significant part of the public who is perplexed about the unexpected decision of the head of the Russian state, not seeing sound logic in his actions, may not have complete information. In other words, we may not know all that has become known to V. Putin. Maybe this is a multi-way diplomatic operation, but it may turn out to be much more commonplace: we will extinguish, as usual, and will live in accordance with the recommendation of the cat Leopold. But be that as it may, the presence of contradictions between recent loud statements such as “they won’t get rid of tomatoes alone” and other wording in the sense of “still regret”, on the one hand, and a sharp change in degree from minus to bold plus, on the other, obviously, such contradictions should be clarified to their perplexed people, whose lower jaw dropped from such news. Yesterday you were ruffled by a drunken rowdy neighbor with criminal inclinations, burned your front door, and today you sobered up, repented of your words, came to hug, ask for money for a hangover, and you will kindly invite him to normalize relations, so what?
    1. -1
      30 June 2016 08: 58
      Quote: E. Lutvaites
      Yesterday you were ruffled by a drunken rowdy neighbor with criminal inclinations, burned your front door, and today you sobered up, repented of your words, came to hug, ask for money for a hangover, and you will kindly invite him to normalize relations, so what?

      You will kindly withdraw money from him for the door in three times the amount, take the statement from the police and in the future you will say sweet "drasta" when you meet on the stairs
      1. +7
        30 June 2016 10: 35
        Clever, sensible, sensible! And how do you evaluate the lives of Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozynich, in what size, in what currency? And moral damage for mocking the corpse of a Russian pilot? Let me remind you: to shoot down a military aircraft, it’s not just to arrange an accident, it’s to shoot down the symbol of the state (it is present on the parts of the aircraft provided for this). So, do you propose to wipe the spit from your face, satisfied with the triple size of payment?
  18. +5
    30 June 2016 06: 59
    Two quotes: "We live in an interesting time" and "I don't need a Turkish coast".

    It remains to hope for will and wisdom. "If it is, of course, possible in nature."

    And the sediment cannot but remain. Scratch too deep.
  19. +6
    30 June 2016 07: 02
    Quote: PKK
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

    so really? and what would prevent him from doing something like that? tomatoes?
  20. -13
    30 June 2016 07: 05
    Quote: Pitot
    What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
    Who would doubt it, but Putin said - apologize, where did it go? Compensations will not go anywhere. What else we wanted, you won’t return the pilots, and it’s stupid to stand in a pose. We were not and will not be friends, but before the war or tough confrontation, or other absurdity, it makes no sense to bring the situation.
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 09: 57
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Quote: Pitot
      What makes you think that he (rdogan) is not capable of dirty tricks? They cannot do anything else. Turkish in NATO. They say - do it.
      Who would doubt it, but Putin said - apologize, where did it go? Compensations will not go anywhere. What else we wanted, you won’t return the pilots, and it’s stupid to stand in a pose. We were not and will not be friends, but before the war or tough confrontation, or other absurdity, it makes no sense to bring the situation.

      It’s not worth bringing the matter to war, I completely agree with you, but throwing your arms into the arms of the Turks just because of a wink doesn’t paint the nation’s eyes. If Putin had to eventually go to such a world with the Turks, then you couldn’t raise the degree of tension in interstate relations, otherwise calculations were already underway, as, for example, my Motherland, Armenia can help Russia in its struggle with Turkey, an analyst Khramchikhin at VO calculated the capabilities of our VS. If the situation a little further escalated and the Armenian Armed Forces if they took at least an insignificant part in the hypothetical Russo-Turkish conflict, I can’t imagine what Armenia would look like if after that Russia, in particular, the person who makes decisions in Russia today, would just as easily go closer to Turkey. Turkey would be reconciled with Russia in any case, but Armenia in this case would remain foolish.
    2. +5
      30 June 2016 11: 16
      Keywords: and were not friends. NEVER were.
  21. -7
    30 June 2016 07: 08
    And if we assume that Erdoganchik played out, and realized that the United States would kill him, like all marmosets like Hitler, Saddam or Gaddafi with the hands of igilys?
    And Putin hinted to him that "we are not giving up our own" and gave the example of Assad?
    After all, it's time for re-enactment)))
    1. 0
      30 June 2016 11: 18
      Or the United States with the help of the Kurds. Or ISIS. Or your own army. This is most likely.
  22. +10
    30 June 2016 07: 08
    That's the whole story with geography, Erdogan receives not weak financial flows, again becomes a potential transit of hydrocarbons, now the media must adjust the victorious justification
  23. +5
    30 June 2016 07: 09
    I fully agree with the author.
    The precipitate after ,, nightly telephone conversation, remained.
    Such reversals are not for principled people, in this context - real patriots. The feeling of bargaining and selling at the cost of the memory of a dead hero pilot.
    By the way, whoever is the first on the, Turkish coast ,, will break, he is the fifth column. Unfortunately, only war will put everything in its place, and politics, as you know, is a very - very dirty business.
  24. +1
    30 June 2016 07: 09
    US President Barack Obama expressed his gratitude to Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan for his efforts to restore relations with Russia and Israel. This is the official website of the White House.

    As the text of the message published on the White House website says, Obama praised the actions of the Erdogan administration, which in one week managed to restore relations with Israel and reduce tension in Turkish-Russian relations.
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 14: 13
      It turns out that our authorities are acting at the prompt of Obama? Well, it's generally utter mockery and disgrace. And then why are we chatting all over here?
      1. -2
        1 July 2016 09: 07
        What would you say if you were Obama? "Sultan, don't you see the edges? Well, quickly, I shot down another plane!" - this is said only informally. And, very likely, they will listen. FIRST, we lowered the tension, and you understand that very well. Here a company of liberals of all stripes purposefully gathered to repaint white into black. Unfortunately, we succeeded to a great extent. Sultasha quite obviously from the very beginning beguiled the Ramses, for half a year, proudly shaking his sponge, he tried to hold a stand, got confused (no wonder), had a fight with everyone, climbed to apologize, and then an unthinkable number of connoisseurs of Turkish rushed to prove that there was no apology, and this is HE "bent down". Who will prove OUR failure, contrary to the obvious? And for what purpose? Only an enemy, only to make a mess. Well, at least a little. Enemies in the skins of patriots (I, of course, am not an instigator, but, in your place, I would not tolerate) are worse than open enemies. As you know, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. I will add: very often it is the first.
  25. -6
    30 June 2016 07: 10
    Why are you crying then? We can set such conditions for reconciliation,
    that the Turks would rather shoot themselves. After all, you need to understand that victory cannot be made an enmity.
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  27. -6
    30 June 2016 07: 12
    You can not do the analysis based on 10% of the available information and then from the media.
    I think that Erdogan was forced to take this step and Putin is certainly in the know, so he did not bargain, but took steps towards reconciliation. Let's see what will change. If Erdogan apologized to Russia, then perhaps by the end of the year he will shake Assad’s hand. Putin we have such an unpredictable ...
  28. +10
    30 June 2016 07: 13
    So far, again outwardly, we are rushing with this ball to our own goal.

    It is hard to disagree with the author. True, we do not know what issues were raised in a telephone conversation and through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and what Erdogan promised. But we can say with confidence that he will not block his border with Syria (even if he promises), he will not give up his interests in the North Caucasus.
  29. -2
    30 June 2016 07: 18
    And now, rewind the situation to the downed plane .. What was Erdogan’s behavior? .. And you don’t have any methods against Kostya Saprykin .. It was the same the first time after the death of Su .. And now there is a different scenario: And you stupid still taunted me ...
  30. -4
    30 June 2016 07: 19
    I feel during those 40 minutes Erdogan agreed with all of Putin's "proposals" and this is not about tomatoes (one has only to guess what conditions Putin set: Europe, refugees, gas pipelines or something else). Judge for yourself, you don't even know 50% of what your direct boss is planning or what issues are being solved, let alone state interests, they will only show us the top, the most interesting inside!
    1. +10
      30 June 2016 07: 37
      It is unlikely that somewhere in the polls I saw more than 80% of Russians are not ready to forgive the Turks in such a swoop, respectively, they do not support this decision of the GDP, according to your logic, he left all the most impartial on the surface and all the best, necessary benefits for the Russians from them hid under the carpet, my opinion is losing out on GDP.
      1. +3
        30 June 2016 08: 41
        And these 80%, including myself, I will not forgive them and I will not go to Turkey anymore and I advise the rest, because of their attitude to Russian citizens and security problems, and any sane person thinks the same. I talked about politics and agreements that only a very narrow circle of people know about and I am more than sure that we all do not enter this circle. And as for the unflattering, I’ll say that this situation couldn’t look any different.
      2. +2
        30 June 2016 09: 19
        Quote: Slavyn
        It is unlikely that somewhere in the polls I saw more than 80% of Russians are not ready to forgive the Turks in such a swoop, respectively, they do not support this decision of the GDP, according to your logic, he left all the most impartial on the surface and all the best, necessary benefits for the Russians from them hid under the carpet, my opinion is losing out on GDP.

        Well, naturally, our media sculpted the enemy from the Turks (as well as from Savchenko) for so long, and the GDP took it and forgave them everything at a time.
    2. +7
      30 June 2016 08: 43
      I feel during those 40 minutes Erdogan agreed with all of Putin's "proposals" and this is not about tomatoes (one has only to guess what conditions Putin set: Europe, refugees, gas pipelines or something else). Judge for yourself, you don't even know 50% of what your direct boss is planning or what issues are being solved, let alone state interests, they will only show us the top, the most interesting inside!
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
      Yes of course! We remember very well how Vova put a parashka on his knees. and gas with discounts and 600 MW delivered without prepayment and Ukrainians with might and main in Russia gastritis.
      1. 0
        1 July 2016 09: 16
        Yes of course! And you desperately need it to make us look like losers! Otherwise, the salary will be reduced.
  31. 0
    30 June 2016 07: 20
    Quote: Black
    The news about the upcoming personal meeting between Vladimir Putin and Erdogan is just one, there are two statements about following the path to normalizing relations, and three restrictions have been lifted by Russia on Russian tourists traveling to Turkish coast.

    What does it have to do with it? There is a policy. And it's not even about tourists and tomatoes. The point is the behavior of Turkey in Syria. I think that this was precisely what was discussed during a telephone conversation between GDP and Erdogan. And I think that Erdogan has already made some promises, otherwise the GDP would not have gone to a personal meeting, where, most likely, they would try to take concrete steps on Turkey’s policy in Syria. Any agreement (if it is not an ultimatum) is a compromise between the parties. Ours will open up markets for Turkish products (the question is whether our suppliers will still take them) and allow tourism to Turkey (I still won’t go), and see what Turkey does. I think that apologies and compensations are just that on the surface, for general use. It is unlikely that political agreements will be voiced, at least in full.
    1. +6
      30 June 2016 09: 22
      Quote: mamont5
      I think that apologies and compensations are just that on the surface, for general use.

      The prime minister said it is clear that if there are compensations, it will be only for the family - for this the family needs to sue the international against the Turks. Yes and the doubtful apology, in the end it turned out. And in general, about compensation already with Mistral and Ukrainians have heard enough. Some simply returned what they were paid, the second sent at all - and no compensation to you, dream on
      1. Alf
        +1
        30 June 2016 22: 03
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        To do this, the family must sue the international against the Turks.

        But where is the usual family of pilots to take money for a lawyer? The coachman or carver will not work for free.
    2. +2
      30 June 2016 15: 08
      Promising and marrying are different things. We were promised not to expand NATO, with the unification of Germany, and now it turns out that we had auditory hallucinations and snot of our leaders that we were deceived. And since this is politics, as you say, first the treaty, signature, ratification, and then the "chairs"
    3. Alf
      +1
      30 June 2016 22: 01
      Quote: mamont5
      (the question is whether our suppliers will still take them)

      Doubt it? They will, they will, Turkish ones are cheaper, but our business does not smell.
  32. +7
    30 June 2016 07: 22
    "After all, in fact, any distraught" strategist "who decides to openly confront Russia can now get off with" tomatoes "..."
    Yesterday's offensive of the Ukrovermacht in the area of ​​Debaltseve, Uglegorsk and Sanzharovka, just in this logic and here is not just a "multi-move", there is also a "cunning plan" ...
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  33. +11
    30 June 2016 07: 22
    And tomorrow Poroshenko will write a letter on Twitter that he also "regrets" and also understand everything and forgive?
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  35. +13
    30 June 2016 07: 29
    I sincerely sympathize with the Patriots who are in bewilderment watching the actions of the one who is "ours". The brain after regular breaks does not stick and all that remains is to grab onto the head. But it's okay, they have already come up with an excuse for this like "this is politics," you can kiss an Islamist-terrorist passionately, maybe he won't give Popnik again. And some firmly believe that Erdogan tearfully apologized to Putin and therefore he forgave him, it seems that otherwise the brain does not stick together ...
  36. -2
    30 June 2016 07: 31
    Although the feelings from this event are ambiguous, but ...
    When everything happened, remember the conditions that Russia put forward - to apologize and compensate for material damage?
    An apology was brought, however experts would translate it, now we will look with compensation.
    A man gave his word, must keep. It just bothers the speed of normalization, how much they pulled with an apology, you can also stretch it. Nothing will happen if people go to rest not in July, but in August
  37. -3
    30 June 2016 07: 31
    There is such a gypsy way of riding a horse. You need to quickly get from point A to point B. The horse is hungry, you put a bunch of hay on a stick in front of the horse. The horse runs after him, cannot catch up. So that would be a horse of interest in this run did not lose hay, you need to feed a little. Otherwise, the horse will fall into apathy, since the process is not interesting, which does not bring anything.
    So Putin does the same, and Erdogan plays the role of a gypsy horse. And his problem is only one thing, we are not in a hurry to point B. And in addition, you must understand, we should not strive for our goal, so that the world is "dusty". They will pay compensation for the quiet and jail Chelik for illegal possession of weapons, secret protocols about counter obligations will be signed wink and give Erdogan a face to save for the internal user. We really need to trade, we need to earn money. And business is nothing personal.
  38. +8
    30 June 2016 07: 32
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    It is difficult to disagree with the author, but there is one but! The GDP is a strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move, I'm afraid to suppose having revealed the president’s move, everything looks like Russia will be the "overseer" in BV and Europe in the foreseeable future, I don’t believe that the Turks have become our friends never and can substitute or strike in the back at any moment, but the situation in the world has developed so that a very delicate game must be played, the EU is bursting at the seams, Germany and Turkey are ready to devour each other, the vile-exclusive hegemon is rapidly losing its hegemony. In "Midshipmen, forward!" A song sounds with the words "And here we have enemies there would be an honor, it would be an honor!" And why we always had enough enemies from all directions at once, and even enough, the partner differs from the friend in that it can always be changed, but Russia, as you know and have proven more than once, has two allies, and they have never betrayed it in history, and I am sure they will not.

    You have reviewed channel 24.
    Everything is much simpler, money, gas, oil .... But what about people? Eat and not choke.
    1. +6
      30 June 2016 07: 38
      Quote: XmyP
      Everything is much simpler, money, gas, oil

      Yes, that’s it now.
  39. +1
    30 June 2016 07: 32
    Something I don’t understand in this life, or I don’t understand anything at all
  40. +5
    30 June 2016 07: 33
    "Okay tomatoes, okay Turkish construction projects together with Turkish foremen ... But hundreds of thousands of Russian tourists now really, pardon the inappropriate slang, will rush to Turkey with joyful hooting and shouts of" Hurray! All inclusive returns ... "" I want to offend no one, but just these "comrades" from the "P" generation, moaning about the absence of Turkish beaches, did not care about the shot down plane, the problems of Russia, terrorism and the international situation from the high bell tower. And therefore, if on one of the Turkish beaches (or in one of the Turkish hotels) some terrorist-ISIS trouble happens to them (and most likely it will be), well, it was their deliberate choice. You had to think with your head and not with your stomach. Perhaps this is exactly the idea. For whom words are not enough, let him be convinced by his own experience, having seen in the immediate vicinity the intestines and minced meat of his neighbor by the hotel room, and maybe his own.
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 07: 55
      Thailand's mass riots, coup and more from the country all foreign tourists fled. The Russians did not interrupt their holiday and, on the contrary, joined the protesters.

      Arab spring. Egypt. There is a revision in the country, and only Russians are not going anywhere.

      The only place where everyone left and then did not return Tunisia. What is this courage or bezablabernost? Or the great Russian maybe? But fortunately for the victims I do not know.
      1. +1
        30 June 2016 09: 27
        Quote: Choi
        The only place where everyone left and then did not return Tunisia

        Not the only one. About the plane from Egypt forgot
    2. +5
      30 June 2016 08: 47
      Quote: Egor-dis
      .if any terrorist-ISIS trouble occurs on one of the Turkish beaches (or in one of the Turkish hotels)

      again, the whole country will save such "patriots", they do not care what is happening, just to warm their ass on the beach.
    3. -5
      30 June 2016 09: 31
      Write without thinking. Summer vacation is not only a ticket and a trip. This is a formed budget, tickets, and most importantly VACATION! Agreed at work with different family members.
      1. +4
        30 June 2016 14: 55
        Vacation here is money here. Vacation in Turkey, and who will get the money? Think for yourself whose budget?
  41. +2
    30 June 2016 07: 37
    Quote: Holsten
    And he said the right words: I will instruct to study the issue. Does anyone remember how fast questions are being worked out in the bureaucracy? And there already the New Year is just around the corner. As eastern wisdom says: No need to rush.


    Yesterday I explained the situation to my neighbors with exactly the same arguments, and since in foreign policy we urge everyone to come to an agreement, then make an offended face “don't pee in my pot” when an opponent proposes negotiations, this is beyond idiocy.
    We will work it out, come tomorrow, but better ...
    It’s not for nothing that German politicians and activists filed a civil lawsuit against Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan for his “war crimes” in the counter-terrorist operation against the Kurds
  42. +7
    30 June 2016 07: 37
    In order to really "understand everything and forgive everything", both at the level of the Government and at the level of the People of Russia - for Turkey the only way out (option) is to make room on the Bosphorus - only for the concession of the "control package" of the strait - you can try by Erdog * ndon himself, and with Turkey (hotels, beaches, tomatoes ...), otherwise, there was no need to start "twisting your fingers"
  43. iov
    +1
    30 June 2016 07: 40
    The author, what were you waiting for, strictly speaking ??? We live with you, unfortunately, in the era of the decline of morality .... Why appeal to some high values ​​...
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    1. 0
      30 June 2016 09: 30
      OK. Your suggestions ... Throwing Turkey with nuclear bats?
  45. -3
    30 June 2016 07: 46
    A long time ago I came out of a conflict at work with the thought: “You cannot provoke a person to manifest negative qualities, you cannot“ substitute. ”Confirmation of this is a case from big politics. Ours“ substituted ”in Syria, got a“ knife in the back. ”Now our government in this sense will be "smarter" with the Turks, let's hope.
  46. -16
    30 June 2016 07: 47
    Putin must be trusted, if he does it, then it should be so.
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 12: 53
      And if tomorrow the decree will be released to shoot every second it will also be for the good?
      1. 0
        30 June 2016 12: 57
        Quote: Choi
        And if tomorrow the decree will be released to shoot every second it will also be for the good?

        I would shoot from a Kalash .... Judging by the site everything goes to this! Again, they are hungry over the people of Russia ...
        1. 0
          30 June 2016 18: 54
          Quote: Chariton
          I would bum out Kalash ...


          Well, you know, depending on where you shoot ... I don’t want it like in Ukraine. Well-intentioned paved road known where. And the revolution essentially will not do anything. Just come to power other thieves. And what again in a circle? Of course, there are a lot of problems in the Russian Federation now, and I don’t want to talk about them already, but the worst thing is that the situation does not change. And it's not about Putin, it's about the system itself. The last straight line showed that the government mechanism does not work at all. The president himself should keep an eye on every hole in a huge country. Until he comes down and not a single scum in the suit will give a kick, he will not scratch himself with a tuple.
          Returning to the mood on the site. This year may well be a turning point. Elections ... instead of Ak, you can fight with other weapons. Another question is that there is no one to vote for. Pocket opposition and small parties nepozymi anyone. So the point against all the most popular with me.
          1. +2
            30 June 2016 21: 02
            And the Central Election Commission will necessarily redistribute the votes "against all" among the "successful" parties: 70% for EdRu, 15% for Zhirik and 15% for Zyugu.
            Only the historical way of Russia’s exit from the Time of Troubles, the legitimacy of which cannot be challenged by anyone, can break the Central Election Commission through the tribe of Ilya Muromets: Zemsky Sobor of the Peoples of Russia.
          2. Alf
            +4
            30 June 2016 22: 08
            Quote: Choi
            The president himself must watch every pit in a vast country. Until he comes down and gives a kick, not a single bastard in a suit and with a tuple does not scratch himself.

            Yes, yes, the king is good, the boyars are bad. So what does the king of the boyars not change?
            1. +1
              1 July 2016 07: 23
              perhaps because these boyars brought him to power? did you know about a man like Putin at the beginning of the 21 century? I personally do not. I thought Kiriyenko would be the receiver. And what the hell is the receiver? Do we have a Constitution in the country or something? Vice president where?
  47. +15
    30 June 2016 07: 49
    Feeling of filth. The same feeling was when the Donbass was merged. Because everything seems to be correct, "wise", calculated forward, a kind of multi-pass ... But in fact, it's freezing. If we don't respect ourselves, who will respect? In general, THINK ...
  48. bad
    -17
    30 June 2016 07: 56
    Quote: lukmag
    What are the requirements for GDP and Russia?
    Just zaputintsy throw fluff.
    As the pro-Putin mass media began to scream in the first minute, how the Turkish Erdogan famously bent down the Turks and how the Turkish Erdogan crawled on his lap, but everything turned out to be a dummy.
    It’s just that their Erdogan brought condolences to the family of the pilot, a graduate of St. IED Peshkova and all.
    Thus, the Turks escaped and not even tomatoes.
    All these brutal poses of our chief masters for internal use and zombie suckers blindly believe in HPP.
    oh..liberasty startled..comment for the sake of a comment or again "all polymers have been lost!"? ..- it's not for you to judge .. history will judge .. hi
    1. 0
      1 July 2016 03: 28
      an interesting nickname will turn out when replacing the letter laughing
  49. -2
    30 June 2016 07: 57
    We merge everything! Soon Saudi Arabians will also get a blow
  50. bad
    0
    30 June 2016 08: 00
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: PKK
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s impossible to extinguish it. Normalization of relations between Turkey and Russia, the right step gives peace in the region. Erdogan is already beaten and will not go to children's pranks.

    There are no friends in politics - there are interests.
    Apparently, at this stage, the interests of Russia and Turkey coincide - otherwise, one would not apologize, or the second would not accept an apology.
    ..reasonable .. logical .. + hi
    1. 0
      1 July 2016 00: 33
      But Turkey does not consider this an apology and the perpetrators are not punished. There is no fault on their part, it was our plane that flew toward them, it itself went astray, and our pilot is guilty of being hit by bullets. And where is the logic and reason on our part?
    2. 0
      1 July 2016 00: 33
      But Turkey does not consider this an apology and the perpetrators are not punished. There is no fault on their part, it was our plane that flew toward them, it itself went astray, and our pilot is guilty of being hit by bullets. And where is the logic and reason on our part?
  51. 0
    30 June 2016 08: 00
    Quote: XmyP
    Everything is much simpler, money, gas, oil .... But what about people? Eat and not choke.

    Sorry, saying money, gas, oil..., no matter whose, do not forget that people eat and live on taxes from this money, and those who do not pay them are choked.
  52. +11
    30 June 2016 08: 00
    The current government has no shame, no conscience, no honor. What a bad person you have to be (I don’t want to swear) to allow tourists into a country that openly supports ISIS. Vladimir Vladimirovich, do you have a conscience? Or is the Turkish flow clouding your mind?
    1. -6
      30 June 2016 09: 42
      Quote: NKVD
      This is what it takes to be a bad person (I don’t want to swear) to allow tourists into a country that openly supports ISIS.

      Tourists don’t have much choice considering the money they get. Sochi is not up to par. So everything is correct, let everyone choose for themselves what is more important to them: conscience or wallet. But there must be a choice.

      If VVP had not accepted the apology, there would have been a wave of popular anger with the opposite sign. It’s like I, a simple hard worker, have been working hard all year, but I can’t have an all-inclusive vacation at sea... Well, besides, it seems to me that the tourist flow will not be restored in the same volumes.
    2. +2
      30 June 2016 11: 38
      Quote: NKVD
      The current government has no shame, no conscience, no honor. What a bad person you have to be (I don’t want to swear) to allow tourists into a country that openly supports ISIS. Vladimir Vladimirovich, do you have a conscience? Or is the Turkish flow clouding your mind?


      We allow you to vacation in Turkey and at the same time, on all channels, Allah-Babah with dozens of corpses. Everyone has a choice: either Crimea and live or Turkey - rest and/or die.
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    3. +3
      1 July 2016 03: 20
      Quote: NKVD
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, do you have a conscience? Or is the Turkish flow clouding your mind?

      In Turland, our new riches have many hotels on the coast - they suffer losses.
      Normal body health problem with peremogami
  53. +1
    30 June 2016 08: 05
    hi
    Quote: aba
    GDP strategist and does nothing just like that in one predictable move

    But can he throw Russians on the Turkish coast ?! And it is right?!
    For me, this is the last thing that could and should have been resolved.
    By the way, there was information here recently that this month Russia handed over a patrol ship to Egypt, so apparently they would not be upset when they found out about Turkey.

    I won’t argue, but who exactly did he throw on the Turkish shore? I have not heard about Russian prisons in Turkey. But to go or not to go to Turkey is a voluntary matter! For example, it didn’t bother me, I can arrange “all-inclusive” (and even more) in Russia. hi drinks drinks
  54. 0
    30 June 2016 08: 13
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Igor yesterday on channel 10 of ITV repeated the report of a month ago from Turkey. Erdogan now has an ass. He ordered to grow an obedient instrument from ISIS, but it turned out that, as in other such cases, the poisonous snake is not tamed. According to Turkish security officials, there are up to 100 active jihadist cells in the country. What are you sowing ...


    sow the wind - reap the storm
  55. +6
    30 June 2016 08: 21
    But what about the Crimea, pensioners with 8 thousand live there, and they are agitating to go on vacation to the Crimea - our rulers are agitating to go to Turkey and our land managers are also on the side. I am disappointed with this government, Turkey has spoiled us so much and all these months they have been saying nasty things to us and have not really apologized, they have already become friends I'm shocked
  56. +9
    30 June 2016 08: 24
    The Turks shot down the plane not as an intruder, but as an enemy in the war - they prepared an ambush and brought it down, and militants were waiting for us not only in the air, but also on the ground, which means the relationship was worked out, and remember the statements of Turkish officials after the incident - not a word regret and recognition of a mistake, what kind of mistake is it if a family business is on the brink of survival? It doesn’t matter what Putin promised Erdogan, but now everyone decides for themselves with their wallet: have they forgiven the Turks or not?
    1. +3
      30 June 2016 15: 15
      Quote: Gray 43
      It doesn’t matter what Putin promised Erdogan, but now everyone decides for themselves

      not only with your “wallet”, but by voting in the next elections! all recent events both in the world and in the country have shown the true face of our so-called people's power!
  57. +1
    30 June 2016 08: 35
    the promotion of Turkey has begun, just like Ukraine, and all this will be in vain - the main thing is to help Assad in the war with this same Turkey and Israel; that's where all the trouble is; Jews are being hindered by our bases in Syria, Hezbollah is hindering Iran and the Ayatollah
  58. +5
    30 June 2016 08: 53
    Import substitution is no longer the slogan of the day????
    Today the first news on Yandex is a problem with imported alcohol!!!! This, of course, is the MOST important news...in Donbass, shells are flying, buildings are being destroyed, people are killed, wounded - and here? Not enough of our own vodka and Crimean wines??? Are buyers shedding tears about Turkish tomatoes???
    What kind of people have we become... we don’t care about the regime in the country, just to amuse ourselves on the beach!
    The Turks have good manufactured goods (they tore up Western goods quite well), now we will take from them again...and the prices and quality are better than ours...and the widow will cry quietly at the grave of her hero husband, who died at the hands of a TURKISH fascist! Let's sail further...
  59. -5
    30 June 2016 08: 58
    I read the comments and think, why do most people criticize GDP? Are you really so naive and think that GDP just went from war to peace? didn't you all expect this!? Personally, I was sure that within a year, well, maximum two, we would again live peacefully with the Turks, it simply cannot be an eternal war with everyone (I mean NATO), it is simply not possible to maintain bad relations with our neighbors for a long time (Ukraine and the fascist Germany doesn’t count), and you understand, a bad peace is better than a good war! Yes, I’m also not happy that the vector changed SO quickly, but something tells me that all this is not for nothing, Russia has some kind of gain from this! Yes, you and I don’t know which one, but that time will come and everything will fall into place!
    1. +4
      30 June 2016 15: 17
      To date, Russia HAS NOT GOT ANY WIN! but they raped us, and in a perverted form and with special cynicism!
    2. 0
      30 June 2016 23: 10
      I agree with you, we won’t be able to fight on so many fronts only if we use a strong cudgel. As an example, let’s imagine in the forties there is the Internet, t. Stalin signs the Bretton Woods agreements, which is what happened, the patriotic patriots are screaming, much like now, everyone is t. Stalin merged the USSR, how come we won and are creeping under the Britons and Amers... .....what is the result after a while, just Comrade Stalin did not ratify them. Info about Comrade Putin’s actions for 2 days, but a bunch of local experts have already concluded that this is the beginning of the end. By the way, I re-read all the comments, all sensible minus
  60. +4
    30 June 2016 09: 00
    Such things cannot be forgiven so easily! Otherwise, they received a pseudo apology and please lift the ban on flights, goods, and even started talking about South Stream (apparently the lesson with Ukraine did not teach anything).
  61. +10
    30 June 2016 09: 02
    Well, my dear cheers-patriots, another HPP? Aren't you tired of twisting and turning, explaining the dizzying turns of Russian diplomacy? I personally gave Putin a year to forgive Erdogan, I thought out of decency in front of my fans he would keep his mark, but, alas, people are people, business is business. What kind of prestige is there, what national pride... Let’s shake hands with the “bloody executioner Poroshenko”, let’s also shake hands with Erdogan, why is he worse? He only killed two Russians, Petya has already bombed tens of thousands of old people, women and children, and nothing... And careless and headless people will go to resorts, and we will build a nuclear power plant for a potential enemy. It's just disgusting and sadly familiar... request
  62. +7
    30 June 2016 09: 10
    Looking for analogies in history is generally a thankless task. But the analogy with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is painfully obvious. Look. The West has turned its back on us and does not want to deal with us, Poland is doing petty mischief, and then suddenly, like a jack-in-the-box, Ribbentrop appears. I looked at excerpts from the newspaper Pravda for July 1939 and September 1939 and compared them. You know, there's a big difference. Hitler turned from a scumbag into a statesman in a short time. They spent another week proving that Erdogan is treating and financing ISIS, and here we are. Please! BUT here is the question. Then, because of the treaty, the Germans did not interfere with us to REUNITE, and not to occupy (they returned what was theirs!) West. Belarus with Ukraine and the Baltic states. What is Erdogan telling us? Tomatoes and eggplants, isn't it a bit small? Still, Stalin did not stoop to a personal meeting with Hitler (no matter what the liar liberals hinted at), and our shooter was everywhere.
  63. +2
    30 June 2016 09: 10
    Quote: VICTOR-61
    But what about the Crimea, pensioners with 8 thousand live there, and they are agitating to go on vacation to the Crimea - our rulers are agitating to go to Turkey and our land managers are also on the side. I am disappointed with this government, Turkey has spoiled us so much and all these months they have been saying nasty things to us and have not really apologized, they have already become friends I'm shocked

    Well, my friend, everything is in a heap?
    Do we have different pensions in Crimea than on the continent? Who is to blame for the fact that without working a day, a Crimean citizen receives 8 thousand by renting out a corner to vacationers without registration? at the same time renting out the same corner and again without a patent - You, me, Kostya Saprykin?
    Who says and to whom - go to Turkey and not to Crimea? Everyone chose and chooses for themselves where and with whom to relax.
    Whoever forces you to buy Turkish tomatoes, don’t buy them - they won’t carry them, they haven’t died in almost a year and won’t die.
  64. -3
    30 June 2016 09: 25
    Are our partners worthless? Worthless. But there are no others. There is no need to compare her to an innocent girl who dreams of pure and high love and friendship.
  65. -4
    30 June 2016 09: 32
    How warlike everyone here is.
    The downing of the plane was a real provocation, but not a Turkish one. The calculation was for a “batch”, for open hostilities between Turkey and Russia, which would inevitably lead either to the withdrawal of troops from Syria or to the build-up of the group, with the straits closed. Such a development is not beneficial for either Russia or Turkey. But who benefits - our damn Western “partners”.
    This situation was resolved. At the same time, the one who directly killed our pilot was caught.
    If there are those who want to fight, then they now have enough places for this.
    During the confrontation with NATO, the USSR shot down more than ten aircraft, including Turkish ones.
  66. -2
    30 June 2016 09: 40
    Everyone has their own opinion on this news! Perhaps the GDP agreed to close the border to terrorists to Syria because the Americans were already there and closed Erdogan’s mouth, so the Sultan changed his shoes, thinking about the Kurds in front of the Americans.
  67. 0
    30 June 2016 09: 40
    Well, after all, they didn’t get off with tomatoes. Their economy suffered greatly. It takes much longer to build than to destroy. I still really want to hope that this is not all for nothing.
    1. 0
      30 June 2016 13: 05
      losses from sanctions are about 1% of GDP. Almost half of the goods included in the prohibited list somehow leaked onto the Russian market. It’s not for nothing that both Dad and Nazarbayev met with Erdogan not so long ago. Most likely, they discussed the re-export of goods through their countries. For example, Turkish fabrics are the best of all that is on the market, but recently they come with the label “made in Kyrgyzstan”, it is clear that this is Turkey only re-glued.
  68. +2
    30 June 2016 09: 42
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    But the analogy with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is painfully obvious.

    No comparison. The pact was a necessary measure so as not to be left alone with Germany and push back the border. Here there is a provocation by a third party, the result of which should have been a long confrontation. This is what was destroyed. Turkey has never been our ally or friend, very often it has been an enemy, but everything is changing. Until recently, Germany was the largest trading partner, and no country can surpass its harm to Russia.
    1. 0
      30 June 2016 10: 03
      The name of the third player to the studio! In addition, in conditions of isolation from the West, I believe, no matter what anyone says, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a brilliant victory for our diplomacy. Therefore, God forbid that there is some kind of agreement that we do not know about, and which refutes the opinion that Russia did not exchange permission for Erdogan to speak with it for tomatoes. Because this is not possible with the people, yesterday the Sultan, today the sidekick.
  69. 0
    30 June 2016 09: 49
    It’s bad, it’s good, it will be, it won’t be, it will give or not... Stop playing with daisy, go to work!!!
  70. +2
    30 June 2016 09: 50
    [quote=air defense SVSh] It’s too early to talk about the Turkish tourism boom,

    There is a proposal - the entire government of the Russian Federation with their households (and this will amount to several thousand heads) will go to Turkey, and not to relax in Courchevel. And Kiselev to broadcast live from the beaches - The Last Hero
  71. -6
    30 June 2016 09: 53
    Satisfied with the squeal of the turbo-patriots.
  72. +5
    30 June 2016 10: 03
    Let them just try. A thief should sit in jail. You won't get away with tomatoes alone.

    There is a lot to remember... Words, just words. And what was said yesterday with “enthusiastic aspiration” across all the media is today bashfully kept silent... “that didn’t happen!”
    History is not rewritten after a generation, but without waiting for the tea to cool down.
  73. -1
    30 June 2016 10: 12
    I like the author's articles. Let's see what concessions Erdogan will make; if not in words, but in deeds he builds his part of the Nord Stream, then this will be a colossal card blanche for our country. And if, of course, everything will cost only compensation for the plane and the family of the deceased pilot, well, there will be questions for the country’s leadership.
    1. +3
      30 June 2016 15: 26
      Quote: iliya87
      Well, there will be questions for the country's leadership.

      There are so many such questions today that it’s time to publish a separate questionnaire. You can start with pension reform, education and healthcare reform, and only in the economic block.... recourse yes, the Central Bank is subordinate to some guy?....
    2. 0
      30 June 2016 16: 47
      Quote: iliya87
      but in reality it will build its part of the Nord Stream

      Well, if only the northern stream, which = 0 laughing
  74. +3
    30 June 2016 10: 13
    Now, if they said on TV that Turkey would pay compensation for the downed plane n-lards/lemons, money to relatives, etc. etc., I would still understand. And so the bosses were fussing over something... and good bye, tomatoes! Let's help the Turkish people, otherwise their hotels are empty. Russia, as in boxing, is treated exactly as it deserves. Somehow this is all wrong.
  75. 0
    30 June 2016 10: 20
    Quote: razmik72
    Turkey would have made peace with Russia in any case, but Armenia would have been left in the cold in this case.
    With all due respect to you and the Armenian people, I sincerely don’t understand what kind of war with Turkey you are talking about in your comment and what does Armenia have to do with it? If it’s not difficult, write me a personal message, because I didn’t touch on this topic.
  76. 0
    30 June 2016 10: 23
    In our country, everyone understands politics. Except for one thing...))) The comments here are proof of this)))
  77. +3
    30 June 2016 10: 38
    Now the Government (officials" and United Russia will begin to "change their shoes" - would it be nice to remind these "servants of the people" of their statements six months ago? A DISGRACE!!!!
  78. 0
    30 June 2016 10: 39
    After all, we (and everywhere) have a category of people who, for an extra bottle of beer in the minibar and for the animator Mustafa dancing in a Mickey Mouse costume in a Turkish hotel, are ready to turn a blind eye to both the bloody terrorist attacks in Istanbul and the civil war that is going on in eastern Turkey, and to the fact that in Turkish ports tankers are loaded with oil extracted from the blood of Syrian civilians.


    unfortunately we have many of these.
  79. +3
    30 June 2016 10: 40
    After Turkey’s first indistinct muttering of “sorry, brother,” Russia - its leadership - rushed with speed beyond imaginable to restore friendship with the Turkana, to become their brother again.

    We’ve seen enough from our leadership that we can expect anything.

    But what can you expect from ordinary citizens? Are they really going to rush en masse to the free Turkish coast at the command of their superiors?

    And then they’ll fill themselves with free beer and snack on tomatoes, forgetting the downed plane and the dead pilot, and continue to enjoy freedom for a tour that costs $500?

    Do Russians have their own pride, different from their superiors or what?
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 13: 10
      Quote: akudr48
      And then they’ll fill themselves with free beer and snack on tomatoes, forgetting the downed plane and the dead pilot, and continue to enjoy freedom for a tour that costs $500?


      Actually... there was no need to lift the ban for this. And you say patriots and pride.

      The Turkish resort city of Antalya has become the second most popular destination for the May holidays among independent travelers with children.
      https://lenta.ru/news/2016/04/26/antalia/
  80. +4
    30 June 2016 10: 52
    Erdogan threw a bone to the dog, and it grabbed onto it.
    1. -1
      30 June 2016 11: 08
      Did they also throw a bone to Stalin in 39?
  81. 0
    30 June 2016 10: 58
    hmm, the article is interesting..and there is quite a bit of meaning in it...the questions are posed correctly..but the essence of the non-attack pact in 39 was also understood in full literally after at least 50 years..we don’t know the essence of the negotiations. .and they probably didn’t last for 40 minutes, but maybe 40 days, and as they agreed..and the agreement was already clear..what Erdogan proposed there..what Putin demanded..well, go back, for example, to 39.well, for example, just the most obvious example.. who understood what there. And now there are dull ones.. heh, but for you and me, a mere mortal, of course, apart from the tomatoes you love so much and the resorts won’t offer anything. my opinion.. people, calm down there, your moves. wonders how it happened.. in a few years... maybe we’ll find out something, or maybe only grandchildren. politics is such a thing.. this is not a knightly tournament on horseback with a spear at an advantage.. heh heh.. with respect to all Russians hi
  82. +2
    30 June 2016 10: 59
    Whatever you say, Erdogan scored a goal against Russia. Is it really impossible to clearly explain this misunderstanding to the population? Not necessarily to Putin, Lavrov will explain just as well. And the screeching of the turbo barons and Gazprom cliques humiliates the country and me too.
    1. 0
      30 June 2016 11: 15
      You can’t.. that there are suckers in politics.. reveal all the cards.. at 39 and who screwed up what.. first the fascist creatures.. after September 1, the damn Polish junta.. and they are silent about Hitler.. this guy is big politics.. in the 90s we didn’t find out much, we just found out what’s what
  83. -3
    30 June 2016 11: 03
    It took me a long time to read all the comments. I outlined the pros and cons. I don't apologize for the positives winked , with minuses it is worse. I’m used to arguing personally to everyone, but today it won’t work.
    So, what do I want to say to Putin's detractors? Your statements remind me of a symposium of cooks on the topic “How should we govern the state.” Lots of emotions, but no sense. I did not work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and did not serve in foreign intelligence. But on the other hand, I was engaged in operational and, accordingly, intelligence work. And yesterday, when a work colleague began to discuss the president, I told him one story from my practice. When a large number of adults believed (and still believe) that everything they did and accomplished was done on their initiative and in accordance with their will. And to everyone who is not friends with memory, I want to remind you that just recently, all the ultra-patriots threw poop at the president after he traded Savchenko. Gentlemen, curb your pride. Take it for granted that there are things that you cannot understand and know, if only because your ass is sitting in the wrong chair.
    1. +4
      30 June 2016 13: 57
      We will then sit in the causal place, and you, operative, don’t shout “Help” later! When will the Turks spread your buttocks and “sting” you in the causal place?
    2. +1
      30 June 2016 23: 20
      Quote: black
      When a large number of adults believed (and still believe) that everything they did and accomplished was done on their initiative and in accordance with their will.

      You dug deep... to create a situation where a person, without knowing it, makes the right choice. The illusion of independent choice... cold calculation is needed here. In most comments, emotions are overflowing...
  84. -2
    30 June 2016 11: 13
    Author, why did they attract the Turkish stream? He won't be there. We understood - these are Turks. More precisely, they remembered that these were Turks. No matter how they were beaten 12 times, they cried, but they remained Turks. Let them grow tomatoes and build in Russia. No more.
  85. +8
    30 June 2016 11: 17
    Let's turn back the pages of history a little... For Katyn, the GDP publicly apologized to the Poles. And now 800 Poles are waiting for monetary compensation from Russia. They even organized a union of “Katyn families.” Thank you, vpp. He became friends with the Finns, the board with the strangler Mannerheim was hung by his lackey Ivanov (a GRU general in the past, by the way), the St. Petersburg people wiped themselves out. He named the bridge after his dog's dad. He thanked his benefactor’s grandmother (Naina, the widow of a motherfucker) by building a mausoleum in Jöbnburg. His daughters live abroad, he donated a couple of billions to his sons-in-law from the budget, and he thanked his in-law (Roldugin) for his former wife. Friends and colleagues are all covered in chocolate. He went to Syria because the financial interests of Miller and Sechin could have suffered. Yes, and an order came from the pope (Chubais), it’s time, they say, to end with anti-Western rhetoric. interests in the West can and do suffer. So you can give up without a villa and Swiss bank accounts. And the People? What about the people?
  86. +4
    30 June 2016 11: 30
    Now the media will change their shoes, and there will be no scary bugs in tomatoes...
  87. 0
    30 June 2016 12: 36
    Which of you is ready to go to war with Turkey? I'm not ready to send my husband there. How many of you remember how scary it was in the summer of 2014, when there was a bag with documents and valuables in the closet, because shells were constantly flying from the territory of Ukraine. And I remember how we prayed every day that Putin would have the nerves, health and strength not to get involved in this war, because the border is just a stone’s throw from us.
    It's easy to talk on the couch. And you prove it with your actions: I will not go to Turkey on vacation, I will not buy Turkish tomatoes and rags.
  88. -5
    30 June 2016 12: 41
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: lukmag
    All these brutal poses of our leaders

    You, my dear, take upon yourself at least part of the responsibility that leaders bear, then speak up, and don’t squeal like a shitty pig. Me too, kitchen geopolitician.

    This is not just a pig and a kitchen geopolitician. You see that he writes: “zaputintsy”, “suckers”. This is an inhabitant of the shitty blogs of bulk and drug addicts, kamikazeheads, who, to the sound of the wave, collects benefits from noisy squealers and alarmists.
  89. +1
    30 June 2016 12: 48
    The author, don’t worry, it’s a multi-move))) only now all the multi-moves are prepared in some ways, but otherwise they’re impromptu. If you want - freeride))) This is for everyone, they showed only tomatoes and the “letter of the Turkish sulatan”, but everything that really happened, is happening and will happen in the near and not so long time, we can only guess with a greater or lesser degree of probability. In order to assess the full scale of how much Russia has “pushed” Turkey (and not only it) both in geopolitical and economic senses, how powerful its advantages are in global energy and influence on the region, and the entire balance of power in the world, Russia received as a result not a hysterical, but a consistently calm but unyielding position towards Turkey, you need to use your brains and “watch your hands”)) Even without touching the political and military-strategic elements of this mosaic, it is enough to appreciate that the entire pipeline (and that which is not yet in the pipes) gas from the region, but in fact most of it is already on the continent, is under the control of Gazprom (Russia). And the remaining main gas puzzles (Kuwait and Iran) are halfway to the big picture. (To those who will make noise about the leader in gas in the world - Kuwait. First of all, I said "pipeline"; secondly, the volume of gas that is produced in Russia and the volume of gas that Russia controls and trades in are two big differences). And it is Turkey that is needed to complete this picture (accelerating the resolution of these issues with these two puzzles, since without Turkey it will take longer and be more expensive). And it is acceleration in all matters that give us global advantages that is needed now. Actually fast and furious. Since we and all global players are rapidly getting less time. That’s why, at a superficial glance, it seems that he “got off with tomatoes.” The respected author did not seem to notice that Turkey, in fact, abandoned the neo-Ottoman empire (their leader phoned his head, but in fact there was nowhere to go) and was left virtually alone with everyone around him, and even in such a disorganized state. Therefore, there were two doors - to Europe and to Russia. One slammed (or rather slammed))) And we calmly waited outside our door. And now let’s go down the hill and take everything that is due and which we could not even think about before Erdogan’s autumn madness (or does anyone doubt the effectiveness of our foreign policy in recent years?) Why time is short is already clear to everyone, I hope. So, as they say, watch your hands, these are not tricks, this is magic))) I’ll say right away that I won’t explain or clarify anything. I spent too much time drawing up, as it seems to me, an adequate picture of what is happening in the world. And you constantly have to correct this picture for yourself, keeping the general features unchanged. So whoever understood what I said - congratulations! for those who don’t, study the world yourself or turn to those who have the time and desire to explain and chew on it. There are quite a few of them on the Internet, and many of them are very smart and interesting people. And I wrote this to answer “all the leakers” - we again FILLED our assets, and did not drain them)))) And no one is forcing you to fly to the Turkish beach)) Moreover, adequate people will not fly there now, and in the coming years even if they are very strongly invited.
  90. -1
    30 June 2016 12: 52
    More like a multi-pass.
    According to rumors that have reached me, Erdogash will be removed in early autumn. Unfortunately, there is nothing much to add, but the source deserves some credibility.
    Somehow strangely, suddenly and quickly, both Israel and Putin immediately warmed up to him. When my old sworn friends suddenly show kindness to me, it always turns out to be a trap.
  91. +2
    30 June 2016 12: 57
    “...it’s time to ask the question: isn’t this a dangerous precedent?”
    So then! Quite strange thoughts come to mind. Especially after the words:
    "...a downed plane is a STAB IN THE BACK", and after the words: "Türkiye is an accomplice of terrorism in Syria"
    lifting sanctions against Erdogan - what is this if not a WHITE FLAG?
    Only yesterday the leaders discussed the topic among themselves, but Russian travel agencies have already become white-hot and the first charters are flying to Turkish all-inclusive tomorrow. Arkady Dvorkovich, Deputy Prime Minister: “Regulatory decisions regarding Turkey will be made in the very next few days. They are already preparing on the instructions of the president. And then the question is only for the airlines, when they will be able to begin the corresponding work, this is a question for them, and not for the government.”
    He added that the situation is similar on the issue of food restrictions (tomatoes), as well as TURKISH BUILDERS. It's sad, though....
  92. 0
    30 June 2016 12: 57
    What to comment on, we will never know what prompted V.V. Putin to change his anger to mercy towards Turkey, well, I just don’t want to believe that Putin backed down...
  93. 0
    30 June 2016 12: 58
    “Then another question arises: what influenced it?” - a reasonable question. And we don’t know yet, whether anything other than “sorry” had an impact. And today they won’t tell us about it, and probably tomorrow too. We will look at the unfolding situation and judge by deeds. I know that the government is no stranger to money; our president didn’t sell out for money at 90, although he could have, like everyone else, and won’t sell out now. There are some state interests that guide our government. Will watch.
    In the meantime, we know nothing about the conversation, about the agreements that will have to be confirmed during a personal meeting. Which is not a fact yet that it will take place.
    Therefore, to say now that “everything has been leaked” is to run ahead of the locomotive. In such things one cannot quickly draw conclusions.
  94. +6
    30 June 2016 12: 59
    If a country does not have an ideology and clear goals for the entire society, but has certain habits of “imperialism” and a leadership elite that is rotten through and through, so be it. Either we arrange moments of silence and with a menacing look we talk about the heavenly punishments that will descend on the heads of our offenders, then we quickly forget all grievances and generously forgive the “dirty hooligans.” I, as a citizen of Russia, cannot understand and accept the point of view that “in politics, what is profitable is done!” Politics, if you turn to Dahl’s dictionary, is the science of public administration... However, it’s bad management, both within the state and in the foreign policy arena. There must be PRINCIPLES in management.
    1. -2
      30 June 2016 13: 09
      in 39 I asked how a pact was concluded with the Nazis... if only they explained the whole ideology to you
      1. +1
        30 June 2016 13: 13
        ABOUT! Please tell us in more detail what kind of ideology exists in Russia? Patriotism is not an ideology (hint to you ;) ).
        1. -5
          30 June 2016 14: 14
          let Putin personally tell you how the negotiations were conducted with Erdogan... you need this so that you can bare your ass in front of everyone... damn donkeys... political experts... have created a stink here..
  95. 0
    30 June 2016 13: 16
    If Erdogan thinks that after the downing of the SU-24 he got away with only “tomatoes,” then he is very mistaken. The current situation is this: Turkey “formally” apologized, and Russia and Vladimir Putin personally “formally” accepted these apologies. And there is no need to shout at everyone that Putin has again “leaked” something or someone. It’s just that Erdogan must understand one very simple thing: with the boycott of tomatoes and the absence of tourists on the beaches of Turkey, he was “only slightly strangled” and at the same time they “very subtly hinted” that if next time he tries to do something like this again , then they will simply wring his neck with one “light movement of the hand” like a rabid dog, because Putin is not one of those people who can forgive the murder of their citizens.
    P.S: Well, Recep Tayyip Erdogan in this situation should wish only one thing, to refresh his memory as soon as possible the entire history of Russian-Turkish relations, because Turkey’s desire to use force in relation to Russia and its citizens will end very badly, that is, with a large share It is probable that Erdogan, with all his “neo-Ottoman plans” and all sorts of titles, will quickly go to meet the Almighty....
    1. +5
      30 June 2016 15: 42
      Listen, captain, maybe stop puffing out your cheeks? We all heard the statements of our drivers with their hands, no one pulled their tongues? maybe they can at least justify such a sharp change of course?!
      I’m not a great politician, but the basic principles of constructing state policy are not much different from family politics, so here, if we puffed up our cheeks and publicly declared that we would crush the Turks, then be so kind: either crush them until you’re blue in the face, or explain to the people , why the hangover to the inarticulate mutterings of the Turks again the most favored nation regime...
  96. +2
    30 June 2016 13: 33
    Time and time again I notice this trend. It’s worth returning Crimea and doing something else cheerfully patriotic, so the baboons of which the majority on this site begin to squeal about Glory to Mother Russia and GDP, that’s how it should be, well done, and so on. At the same time, without thinking at what price certain shares were achieved and without thinking about what is actually happening there in the vast space.
    If you do something like extending a hand to Turkey for a truce, then for you baboons the GDP will immediately be “mistaken” or something else. Do you know what they talked about, what agreements were made? No? Do you know what plans might come next? No? So keep your mouth shut. You are just like the crests from the censor with your zrada, one difference - no swearing. It's a shame, comrades.

    For the stupid, proactive questions: what did you expect, that we would continue to sit with a pout and wait for Erdogan to fall on his face and lick his heels? This won't happen. we must live for today and respond to the interest of strategy. Yes, I myself am not happy about the resumption of some kind of relations with Turkey, but if there is a need for this, even if we do not know about the motives, then it is necessary.
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 13: 46
      There is only one need, to prevent a new protégé from Pinnnndostan instead of Perdo.
    2. -1
      30 June 2016 15: 44
      Quote: Voyager
      Do you know what they talked about, what agreements were made? No? Do you know what plans might come next? No?

      Do you know what agreements were on the Turkish Stream? What about the construction of a nuclear power plant? Maybe you can enlighten us, the sick and the dark?! Damn, he's a connoisseur! fool
      1. +1
        30 June 2016 15: 55
        I don’t know all the details and secrets. That's why I don't talk wink . Therefore, who is here fool that's still a question wink
        1. 0
          30 June 2016 16: 05
          Quote: Voyager
          I don’t know all the details and secrets. That's why I don't talk

          good +100 in karma, I can’t do it anymore request
      2. +2
        30 June 2016 16: 03
        Quote: Victor Demchenko
        Quote: Voyager
        Do you know what they talked about, what agreements were made? No? Do you know what plans might come next? No?

        Do you know what agreements were on the Turkish Stream? What about the construction of a nuclear power plant? Maybe you can enlighten us, the sick and the dark?! Damn, he's a connoisseur! fool

        Victor, hi

        Why did they run over the person? belay

        In general, he said everything correctly:

        - the plebs (to whom I consider myself, by the way) have no real information, it cannot be and it shouldn't be. Because it’s absolutely “under the stamp”
        - people are spawning from all the cracks... it reminds me very much of the case with the notorious Savchenka, when she was “released”
        - and with Turkey-Erdogan-beaches-tomatoes, vanguyu, there will be something similar. Because all this “zhzhzhzh” is clearly not without reason.

        IMHO, of course Yes
        1. -1
          30 June 2016 18: 37
          Thank you for your support, dear hi
  97. +1
    30 June 2016 13: 45
    Quote: Voyager
    ....Yes, I myself am not happy about the resumption of some kind of relations with Turkey, but if there is a need for this, even if we do not know about the motives, then it is necessary.


    What if you don't need it? How do you position yourself on this resource? Like a baboon or an elf?
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 15: 23
      I position myself as someone who does not engage in unconstructive criticism without having the whole picture at hand, which I recommend to others. Otherwise, this is the “syndrome” of a baboon who is given candy - he applauds. The candy was taken away - he screams. Whether it is necessary or not is no longer within your or my competence. Otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question.
  98. +5
    30 June 2016 13: 47
    How easy it is to forgive them everything. History has been forgotten. The severed heads on the horse bandages were forgotten. They forgot the Russians who were driven into slavery. They forgot the words of A. Suvorov. They forgot the words of Potemkin. They forgot Ushakov’s words. Forgotten murders in hotel rooms. They forgot about rape on the streets in the gateways. Oh we.!!!! I don’t understand why we are like this. THEY ARE US STRATEGICALLY ENEMIES. Let's remember the period of the Patriotic War, let's remember the period of the Caribbean crisis, let's remember the period of the North Caucasus events when the bandits went to the Turks for treatment and rest. Our memory is short.
  99. -1
    30 June 2016 13: 54
    and the article and comments match each other, why write about something you don’t know? Nothing is clear yet, there are no solutions, there are only 3 facts: a letter, a conversation and Putin’s instructions to think about working on the issue of resuming tourist flows. (what does that sound like, right?). Only cats will be born quickly, in this situation there is no data yet on how the situation will develop, V.V. himself has not yet said anything about whether they have forgiven or not, so why pound the water in a mortar? all conjectures and conjectures. Damn, “experts on all issues.”
    1. +1
      30 June 2016 15: 48
      For your information: A. Dvorkovich (First Deputy Prime Minister, by the way) said today: the government GAVE THE GOOD AND PERMISSION FOR THE RESUMPTION OF CHARTER FLIGHTS TO TURKEY. ALL OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AIRLINES AND OUR TOUR BARS!
      Do you need something?
  100. 0
    30 June 2016 13: 59
    We can only hope that the GDP has a greater amount of information and knows what they are doing; in a couple of weeks, our government is taking a bunch of, to put it mildly, unthought-out steps. with the intensification of propaganda on Russian sites with the beautiful Russian language and the removal of clichés that the Americans were guilty of, it seems to me that ours are not just sawing the branch on which they are sitting, but are waving a chainsaw from the shoulder. And even if the spoons are found, the sediment will still remain

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