The last parade or Naval Maidan? - To readers and commander in chief

November 22, 2014 149

Do you know what is the special pride of our editorial board? - The fact that all our naval friends, of whom there are many in the Black Sea edition, left the Crimea in March-April 2014. And not just out.

Each of them - from a midshipman and a lieutenant to senior officers, our external correspondents, who gave hot summaries from the besieged garrisons of Donuzlav, Sevastopol, Feodosia and Belbek, several times a day, considered it his duty, going to the mainland, to “call back” to military report: “We left. We go to Odessa. Glory to Ukraine!"

If you, as your author, heard their voices - how the senior officers of the Ukrainian Navy, who had seen the storms of different seas, would tell us, who had been working during the occupation, how the sea cadets left the Crimea - those who refused to betray, about which I did not write in Ukraine just lazy ...

In severe adult men with big stars on shoulder straps, their throats were seized: “You know, this is the future of the new Ukrainian fleet. Imagine, they defiantly walked through Russian roadblocks on an isthmus in a white dress uniform, with Ukrainian naval flags displayed in the open windows of buses and cars ... ”

None of our naval friends from 3, thousands of Ukrainian sailors who left the Crimea, did not ask questions about the lost apartments and property. And after all, they went with them to nowhere, but to their homeland — their Crimean wives, brides and children, who preferred loyalty to the officer's honor of her husband to their parents, apartments, and cottages ...

All this "intellectual lyrics", gentlemen readers and mister commander-in-chief, are needed to set off the event, apparently, yesterday-the day before yesterday, 17-18-19 in November 2014 of the year.

And there will be no further lyrics — there will be subject, predicates, nouns and verbs.

So. Some "green men" - in this case, land generals - put a memorandum on the table to the commander-in-chief. She approved. It remains to prepare a directive of the General Staff.

According to her, the Ukrainian Navy, one of the types of the Ukrainian armed forces, is being transformed into ... a flotilla and will be subordinated not to the General Staff, but to the Southern Operational Command (which is almost non-existent).

The command of the Navy will be transferred from the sea capital of Ukraine - Odessa, where it has been located since April of this year after the redeployment from the Crimea. Where? - On the shores of the Southern Bug, in Nikolaev.

This idea arose and took shape without the participation of naval sailors and became for them not just a surprise, but evidence that the pathetic words of the commander-in-chief should be treated - well, uh, uh ... for now let's say this: restrained. Recall:

... Ukraine was, is and will be a maritime power, said President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at the parade of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in Odessa 24 August 2014 of the year. According to Petro Poroshenko, the key to the revival and glory of the Ukrainian Navy will be not only their technical re-equipment. “The main thing in this is the real Ukrainian patriotic fighting spirit,” he stressed.

The head of state thanked the sailors, "who, despite the superior forces of the enemy, withstood his insane pressure and did not submit during the aggression in the Crimea." Addressing Odessa residents, the President noted that Odessa can rightly be called the sea capital of Ukraine ...

We, accustomed to believe in the word no authority, even his own, and who can read between the lines, anxiety arose a month ago.

October 23, during a regular visit to Odessa, the president said amazing things - that we do not need new ships. Enough to upgrade what is. And be sure to return what is captured by the Russian invaders in the Crimea ...

Ukraine will modernize the domestic navy and equip it with modern weapons. The president said this while communicating with the media in Odessa on 23 October 2014.

“Today, there are developments in modernizing ships, equipping them with high-precision weapons, new means of electronic warfare, which will make these ships more efficient,” he said.

The President expressed his conviction that the modernization of ships today is more appropriate and effective than the construction of new ships. The President said that the costs for these purposes are provided for in the state defense order for 2015 year. "Now in the state defense order is allocated sufficient funds for the modernization of the fleet," - he said.

The head of state also stressed the importance of the task of returning Ukrainian warships from the Crimea. “We must be very tough to raise this issue,” said the President, stressing that the decision of the self-proclaimed authorities of the Crimea to allegedly nationalize these ships would not be overlooked by the current authorities. "We will not allow this at all, and these ships should be part of the Naval Forces of Ukraine," the President emphasized.

Now it became clear that the idea of liquidating the military fleet began to convince the president even then. For we have nothing to "modernize."

As part of the Ukrainian Navy, there are now all 7 warships, all of different types, without regard to auxiliary vessels (in the name in the title are our publications about them):

1) Frigate "Getman Sahaidachny" U130, built 1993

2) Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U402 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1970

3) Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1976

4) Priluki U153 missile boat (returned to the Russian Federation), 1980 built

5) Artillery boat "Skadovsk" U170,

6) Raider Minesweeper Genichesk U360 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1984

7) Ship management "Donbass" U500 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1970

The note “returned to the Russian Federation” is important in view of the mentality of the Russian Federation itself - it means that before returning ships to them with scrap and sledgehammers everything that cannot be removed, unscrewed and carried away was barbarously destroyed.

Is it necessary, as the commander-in-chief confidently says, to return what remains with the invaders? - Absolutely not"!

And not only because bargaining with enemies is inappropriate. 9 Ukrainian warships remained in Sevastopol and Donuzlav:

1) Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01, built 1970

2) U510 control ship “Slavutych”, built by 1990

3) Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402, built 1985
4) Marine minesweeper "Chernihiv" U310, built 1974

5) Cherkasy sea sweeper U311, built by 1977

6) Corvette "Lutsk" U205, built 1993

7) Corvette Khmelnitsky U208, built 1985

8) Corvette "Ternopil" U209, construction 1992 - 2002

9) Dnieper Corridor U155, built by 1982

You understand - we did not accidentally indicate the years of construction ...

There is no point (except commercial?) To talk about either return or modernization, but only about the creation of a new fleet.
What we have left is in the naval language not a fleet, not a squadron, but a flotilla of dissimilar forces. Which is not able to perform the task of covering the remaining coast of Ukraine in Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

No money? - Understandably. We have a lot of things not. But we are not only about to steal less.

Our friends and allies - the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands - are in conservation, and this means “in good technical condition”, there are hundreds of not new, but quite combat-ready ships of those classes and types that we need today as air for defense against Russian attack. These are missile cruisers, frigates and destroyers, corvettes and minesweepers, coast guard ships and landing ships. And we still have not just officers, but, according to the president, also the patriotic spirit of sailors.

For the ten years that are needed to build a new fleet in domestic factories, this is the only real way to remain a sea, not a steppe and river power.

And it's not about buying - it's about lending for a while. "Lend-Lease" is called. Invented by Roosevelt in response to Churchill's request in 1940 to lend Britain 50 destroyers.

Do you know how Roosevelt justified this in his radio message to the American people? “Imagine that your neighbor has a house on fire and he urgently needs a hose,” he said. “You will not answer your neighbor that he must first pay 5 dollars for him.” You say: "Take the hose, and when you put out, you will return ..."

However, according to our data, advisers to the commander-in-chief struck out the combat ships from the list of those weapons that Ukraine asks from the United States ...

But given the rapid transformation of the Crimea into the military base of the aggressor country with the very soon appearance of 4-5 of new submarines and 4-5 of new frigates and corvettes of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, maritime power Ukraine (© Poroshenko P.A.) are needed today, as today at least, such compounds of the Ukrainian fleet:

1. Black Sea squadron based on Odessa.

2. The connection of small ships based on Ochakov.

3. The connection of small ships based on the Skadovsk.

4. Azov naval flotilla based in Berdyansk.

5. Danube flotilla based on Ishmael.

But we got carried away ...

The formal reason for the relocation of the remnants of the fleet to Nikolaev is returning to Odessa to the buildings where the structures of the Navy, the Southern Operational Command of the Ground Forces (the former Odessa Military District) are located. By the way, with all due respect, land generals thinking in terms of horses, tanks, carts and war chariots, as always in stories wars, they believe that for the defense of the coastline it is enough to put artillery and machine guns ... And they dream to command fleets.

But something tells us that the informal reason is completely different. Too tasty for building hectares today occupy the objects of the Ukrainian Navy in Odessa - the city center, the seashore, military camps. Come to your senses, gentlemen, without a fleet, other “investors” will build up there ...

And in conclusion - not the topic, but this article.

We hope that everyone understands that such a “redeployment” of the fleet in the conditions of war will entail the destruction of the streamlined control systems and special communications, will cause new chaos in the deployment of military personnel and their families.

This will be followed by the mass dismissal of the very same 3-s of thousands of Ukrainian patriots in sea uniform, many of whom still live in the cabin of half-ransacked Russian ships, hoping for a revival of the fleet.

Still need to ask the question: "Who benefits?". Still need to name Putin? It is necessary to mention the FSB and the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation?

And you can also ask the commander in chief? “How in the context of the transfer of the Naval Forces of Ukraine to the Southern Bug to understand that in 60 km from the coast of the Odessa region and in 180 km from the occupied Crimea, Russian rocket boats are guarded by the notorious“ Boyko towers ”, producing our gas?”

However, we will give a chance to the president: if it is stated that all this is not true, the author will publicly bring the lowest apologies and assurances of the highest respect.

If it turns out that this is true ... Then the man, whom the author also chose as the commander-in-chief, awaits another Maidan - a naval one. With warranty. And this is not a threat - it is just a self-fulfilling forecast.

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okroshka79

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23 November 2014 13: 47

About four years ago I was in my home school - ChVVMU named after. P.S. Nakhimov in Sevastopol, now it is being revived. And then there were Ukrainian Naval Forces. Not only did they unearth somewhere that Admiral Nakhimov was originally from the Ukrainians and one of his distant ancestors was allegedly named Nakhimenko, but they also, in a place of honor, where the boards of gold medalists, painted themselves the Order of the Red Star, which is also in Soviet times, a school was awarded to which they had nothing to do with. Well, the Ukrainian admirals immediately adopted the classification of warships (corvettes, frigates - what fools! If only they were in NATO style), the military uniform for officers and the coloring of ships from NATO. So bad! And yet, the most combat ship of the Ukrainian Navy, “Hetman Sahaidachny,” Ukraine brazenly grabbed for itself during the hard years of the collapse of the USSR, when this ship, built by the Kerch plant “Zaliv,” was surrendered to the naval units of the USSR border troops. Another TFR, pr. 35, under the command of a certain Kozhin, was hijacked to Odessa under the yellow-bdakit flag. So this ukromoryak should not cry that Russia acted dishonestly by not returning all the ships to Ukraine. We remember how they themselves were engaged in looting the Soviet Navy. As they say, what they fought for... And yet, the author of the article has overflowing hatred towards us; you see, we are his enemies. A creature, in a word, and not a patriot, as someone already wrote here on the forum. Well, then our leadership did the right thing by suspending the transfer of ships to the Ukrainian Navy so that they wouldn’t shoot at us.
1. Cristall
  
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  24 November 2014 01: 33
  
  Quote: okroshka79
  Admiral Nakhimov was originally from Ukrainians
  
  incorrect - he has Ukrainian roots there. But the entire Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR were closely connected and you can find both Ukrainian and Russian roots in anyone.
  But he was not born on ter. Ukraine.
  Even if it were so, he would still be Russian...although it is a little jarring to hear that Korolev Glushko Sikorsky and others are Russian...and Khrushchev is Ukrainian)))
  
  Quote: okroshka79
  .So there is no need to cry to this ukromoryak that Russia acted dishonestly by not returning all the ships to Ukraine
  
  Well, actually, Gorshkov was also hijacked... and in general, both sides had a practice of hijacking.
  And according to the sharing agreement, the Russian Federation still chopped off more and newer ones.
  
  Quote: okroshka79
  The author of the article has overflowing hatred towards us; you see, we are his enemies. A creature, in a word, and not a patriot, as someone already wrote here on the forum
  
  I didn’t see the hatred and the “t..r” is definitely not here. On the contrary, he let Porokh and everyone down so much. And the Naval Forces and the decisions... rather, he is for you)
  Quote: okroshka79
  Well, then our leadership did the right thing by suspending the transfer of ships to the Ukrainian Navy so that they wouldn’t shoot at us.
  
  wrong. If it had been returned, many would have remained loyal to the Russian Federation... but there’s no way to cover up this act of aggression...
  Moreover, now these ships have already been divided into departments... Ukrainian ships have already been “appropriated” by the Russian Federation under the guise of a delay... Sometimes it seems to me why I don’t glow with bile and sarcasm in topics about the Mistral, they say, here you are, answer for ours. Although I mention that the situation is largely similar...and the reasons are the same.
  If the fleet is returned, there will be no big friction with Crimea. And with this non-extradition, everyone has already turned against the Russian Federation... as if 9 ships are worth it?
PureGUN

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23 November 2014 17: 40

(returned to Russia)

I didn’t understand, but where’s the thank you?!
goga 35

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23 November 2014 18: 07

The patriotic frenzy will never go away. Wake up, crests! You don’t have a fleet and never will! Soon there won’t be a country either.
Arkan

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23 November 2014 18: 46

For twenty-three years, the Ukrainian state turned the “fleet” it inherited after the division of the USSR Black Sea Fleet into a heap of scrap metal. The author is scaring his commander-in-chief with some kind of “Maidan in vests,” and he has no idea that the pastry chef is closer to other problems. New Ukrainian rowing galleys will begin to be built when pennies are found, but for now... sail with what you have.
colonel manuch

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23 November 2014 19: 31

I observed the drying of multi-colored mattresses on rails myself - I swear! - during a business trip as part of the “polite Cossacks”, I had the opportunity to talk with Ukrainian sailors many times. Poor, confused people (I’m not talking about conscripts) come asking what they should do when hand over the arsenal (Inkerman), where to apply to transfer to service in the Black Sea Fleet (the salary of a Ukrainian Navy officer was a little more than 2,5 thousand hryvnia - 10000 wooden ones!), of all, one was a Western lieutenant (from Lvov), when I didn’t released them, with weapons, to receive a boiler allowance, he was indignant, for which his own people almost beat him (the Cossacks didn’t let him!) - he was indignant. That's all ! What powerful fleet was Parashka talking about? Even those “troughs” that remained in Sevastopol need deep modernization, it’s easier to say - a waste of money. Only for scrap metal! Or to the bottom of the “sea dug by the great dill!”
CB activist

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23 November 2014 20: 18

After reading the article, one gets the impression that its author, A. Klimenko, is another ukropatriotic (who are not sown or reaped in Ukraine, they will be born on their own), who dreams of a miraculous solution to another hopeless case, and in Ukraine now almost all undertakings are hopeless. But the first impression is deceptive, A. Klimenko is a rare scoundrel, just read his material on http://www.everyday.in.ua about the return of Crimea to Ukraine, i.e. about the return of the Russian population of Crimea to the warm embrace of Bandera’s fascists.
CB activist

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23 November 2014 20: 28

After reading the article, one gets the impression that its author, A. Klimenko, is just another ukropatriotic idiot (whom in Ukraine they neither sow nor reap, they will be born on their own)... Further in the text.

Oh, these highly moral rules of the site. You can’t write the harmless childish word “d-chok”, it’s indecent. Is it decent to publish, for example, E. Prosvirnin’s materials “June 22 - the day of vengeance”?
I think so

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23 November 2014 21: 15

The author has in his head (you can’t call this education a head) such a mess of Soviet patriotic slogans, fascist hatred of Russians, Ukrainian small-town stupidity and elementary dibelism that one is even amazed at such a hellish mixture in the heads of “Ukrainian patriots”. This will make you so stupid from your delusional slogans that you won’t notice such basic things as the WORLD AROUND you. Three thousand (!) gone crazy from their own slogans, under flags and in full dress uniform, were leaving for NOWHERE! This is a classic clinical manifestation of MASS IDIOTISM! And now these i.d.i.o.t.s (well, what else can you call them?) are spending the night in their tin cans (their ships cannot be called anything else) hoping for a revival (!) of the fleet from the AGONIZING both politically and economic plan of the country. These morons don’t even understand that ONLY an ECONOMICALLY POWERFUL country can afford to have a fleet! Well, what about Ukraine? For 25 years she wasted and sold herself and the economy and the fleet and the army, and now SUDDENLY she will BUILD a new (!) fleet! Well, aren’t you id.i.o.t.s? Of course i.d.i.o.t.y! And the author is ADMIRED BY THIS IDIOTISM and demands ADMISSION FROM THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF! Well, of course, the Commander-in-Chief KNOWS WHAT AND HOW IT WAS ACTUALLY PLANNED... But in fact, NO ONE (!) NEITHER THE WEST, OR RUSSIA, OR UKRAINE ITSELF, OR ITS ARMY, OR ITS FLEET! And idiots like the author of the article have convinced themselves of the GREATNESS of Ukraine and are hysterical about it. But soon everything will fall into place, when hunger and cold come to the houses of Kiev, hot heads will cool down... The only danger from Ukraine to EVERYONE IN EUROPE is if these paranoids decide to MAKE AN ATOMIC BOMB... And in the top leadership of Ukraine this option was considered and according to some data, ACCEPTED... And if there is a bomb, then neither the fleet nor the army is needed, ALL KHANS ALL THE WAY!
Beeram

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23 November 2014 22: 59

Why does the great Krajina need a fleet? NATO will protect you, you’re in such a hurry to get there)
Cristall

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24 November 2014 01: 47

Quote: I think so
The only danger from Ukraine to EVERYONE IN EUROPE is if these paranoids decide to MAKE AN ATOMIC BOMB... And in the top leadership of Ukraine this option was considered and, according to some data, ACCEPTED

if you are talking about the Smolino plant (uranium processing), then this is not a fact.
If we need it, we'll find it. But why? That’s what Yulka wanted... personally, I didn’t want to. And many didn’t lose their minds
The main danger for the Russian Federation from Ukraine is not even just NATO, but the fact that Ukraine is the key to the Russian Federation.
Losing this key will not be easy for the Russian Federation.
As for the article... I don’t understand the indignation of the readers... well, I expressed my point of view... here such articles with obscenities are sometimes shoved about Ukraine and with a bang - because for the cheers of the patriots with the trend of Khan’s Ukraine.
And here is your own - the Khan Naval Forces, if you don’t study. That's true.
I repeat once again that 9 Ukrainian ships captured by the Russian Federation are not worth it for loyal Ukrainians to consider the Russian Federation an aggressor. They would have been handed over in the spring and there wouldn’t have been much friction when even in the southern cities people began to terribly hate Russians. Iron argument - the fleet is captured. In captivity. Okay, there is Crimea itself (well, more precisely, there is also the deployment of troops there), but the capture of the fleet was definitely not a referendum.
regarding Gunpowder - he often came to Odessa (although he was born not far away in Odessa region)
I understand that the importance of the second capital has increased. But the value itself is still at our expense (although we won on cargo flows + new terminals)
It’s another matter that it’s time to re-establish an infrastructure and system similar to those in Sevastopol.
This is the same thing as forcing Sevastopol to export/import goods in volume from Odessa..
Yes, not yet to the fleet. The main thing is that these officials at least feed the sailors and provide them with housing and salary. It doesn’t stop volunteers from working with the Ukrainian Naval Forces...they need it too.
And as for the doctrines of the future...well, now the task is to defend the Sea of Azov and the entire World Cup to Crimea.
There is nothing - no borders, no treaties... now there are 2 countries with nothing at all... it’s either a war or whatever. And all this is fraught with many things. The Russian Federation unilaterally tore up the old treaties... did not create new ones.
Everything is in limbo...
Well, the Navy still needs to lick its wounds... the author did not offer anything... but everyone can criticize...
Vend

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24 November 2014 11: 16

taking into account the mentality of that same Russian Federation - it means that before returning the ships to them, everything that could not be removed, unscrewed and carried away was barbarically destroyed with the help of a crowbar and a sledgehammer.

You should not judge others by yourself. Russia offered Ukraine to take back its troughs. Ukraine refused.
Our friends and allies - the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands

Your friends and allies will have a fleet and be based on the shores of Odessa. And you and the proud Ukrainian sailors will go as loaders to the port, or at least on merchant ships. It was necessary to suffer less from foolishness, and to think more with one’s head.