The last parade or Naval Maidan? - To readers and commander in chief

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Do you know what is the special pride of our editorial board? - The fact that all our naval friends, of whom there are many in the Black Sea edition, left the Crimea in March-April 2014. And not just out.

Each of them - from a midshipman and a lieutenant to senior officers, our external correspondents, who gave hot summaries from the besieged garrisons of Donuzlav, Sevastopol, Feodosia and Belbek, several times a day, considered it his duty, going to the mainland, to “call back” to military report: “We left. We go to Odessa. Glory to Ukraine!"

If you, as your author, heard their voices - how the senior officers of the Ukrainian Navy, who had seen the storms of different seas, would tell us, who had been working during the occupation, how the sea cadets left the Crimea - those who refused to betray, about which I did not write in Ukraine just lazy ...

In severe adult men with big stars on shoulder straps, their throats were seized: “You know, this is the future of the new Ukrainian fleet. Imagine, they defiantly walked through Russian roadblocks on an isthmus in a white dress uniform, with Ukrainian naval flags displayed in the open windows of buses and cars ... ”

None of our naval friends from 3, thousands of Ukrainian sailors who left the Crimea, did not ask questions about the lost apartments and property. And after all, they went with them to nowhere, but to their homeland — their Crimean wives, brides and children, who preferred loyalty to the officer's honor of her husband to their parents, apartments, and cottages ...

All this "intellectual lyrics", gentlemen readers and mister commander-in-chief, are needed to set off the event, apparently, yesterday-the day before yesterday, 17-18-19 in November 2014 of the year.

And there will be no further lyrics — there will be subject, predicates, nouns and verbs.

So. Some "green men" - in this case, land generals - put a memorandum on the table to the commander-in-chief. She approved. It remains to prepare a directive of the General Staff.

According to her, the Ukrainian Navy, one of the types of the Ukrainian armed forces, is being transformed into ... a flotilla and will be subordinated not to the General Staff, but to the Southern Operational Command (which is almost non-existent).

The command of the Navy will be transferred from the sea capital of Ukraine - Odessa, where it has been located since April of this year after the redeployment from the Crimea. Where? - On the shores of the Southern Bug, in Nikolaev.

This idea arose and took shape without the participation of naval sailors and became for them not just a surprise, but evidence that the pathetic words of the commander-in-chief should be treated - well, uh, uh ... for now let's say this: restrained. Recall:

... Ukraine was, is and will be a maritime power, said President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at the parade of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in Odessa 24 August 2014 of the year. According to Petro Poroshenko, the key to the revival and glory of the Ukrainian Navy will be not only their technical re-equipment. “The main thing in this is the real Ukrainian patriotic fighting spirit,” he stressed.

The head of state thanked the sailors, "who, despite the superior forces of the enemy, withstood his insane pressure and did not submit during the aggression in the Crimea." Addressing Odessa residents, the President noted that Odessa can rightly be called the sea capital of Ukraine ...

We, accustomed to believe in the word no authority, even his own, and who can read between the lines, anxiety arose a month ago.

October 23, during a regular visit to Odessa, the president said amazing things - that we do not need new ships. Enough to upgrade what is. And be sure to return what is captured by the Russian invaders in the Crimea ...

Ukraine will modernize the domestic navy and equip it with modern weapons. The president said this while communicating with the media in Odessa on 23 October 2014.

“Today, there are developments in modernizing ships, equipping them with high-precision weapons, new means of electronic warfare, which will make these ships more efficient,” he said.

The President expressed his conviction that the modernization of ships today is more appropriate and effective than the construction of new ships. The President said that the costs for these purposes are provided for in the state defense order for 2015 year. "Now in the state defense order is allocated sufficient funds for the modernization of the fleet," - he said.

The head of state also stressed the importance of the task of returning Ukrainian warships from the Crimea. “We must be very tough to raise this issue,” said the President, stressing that the decision of the self-proclaimed authorities of the Crimea to allegedly nationalize these ships would not be overlooked by the current authorities. "We will not allow this at all, and these ships should be part of the Naval Forces of Ukraine," the President emphasized.

Now it became clear that the idea of ​​liquidating the military fleet began to convince the president even then. For we have nothing to "modernize."

As part of the Ukrainian Navy, there are now all 7 warships, all of different types, without regard to auxiliary vessels (in the name in the title are our publications about them):

1) Frigate "Getman Sahaidachny" U130, built 1993

2) Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U402 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1970

3) Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1976

4) Priluki U153 missile boat (returned to the Russian Federation), 1980 built

5) Artillery boat "Skadovsk" U170,

6) Raider Minesweeper Genichesk U360 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1984

7) Ship management "Donbass" U500 (returned to the Russian Federation), built 1970

The note “returned to the Russian Federation” is important in view of the mentality of the Russian Federation itself - it means that before returning ships to them with scrap and sledgehammers everything that cannot be removed, unscrewed and carried away was barbarously destroyed.

Is it necessary, as the commander-in-chief confidently says, to return what remains with the invaders? - Absolutely not"!

And not only because bargaining with enemies is inappropriate. 9 Ukrainian warships remained in Sevastopol and Donuzlav:

1) Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01, built 1970

2) U510 control ship “Slavutych”, built by 1990

3) Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402, built 1985
4) Marine minesweeper "Chernihiv" U310, built 1974

5) Cherkasy sea sweeper U311, built by 1977

6) Corvette "Lutsk" U205, built 1993

7) Corvette Khmelnitsky U208, built 1985

8) Corvette "Ternopil" U209, construction 1992 - 2002

9) Dnieper Corridor U155, built by 1982

You understand - we did not accidentally indicate the years of construction ...

There is no point (except commercial?) To talk about either return or modernization, but only about the creation of a new fleet.
What we have left is in the naval language not a fleet, not a squadron, but a flotilla of dissimilar forces. Which is not able to perform the task of covering the remaining coast of Ukraine in Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

No money? - Understandably. We have a lot of things not. But we are not only about to steal less.

Our friends and allies - the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands - are in conservation, and this means “in good technical condition”, there are hundreds of not new, but quite combat-ready ships of those classes and types that we need today as air for defense against Russian attack. These are missile cruisers, frigates and destroyers, corvettes and minesweepers, coast guard ships and landing ships. And we still have not just officers, but, according to the president, also the patriotic spirit of sailors.

For the ten years that are needed to build a new fleet in domestic factories, this is the only real way to remain a sea, not a steppe and river power.

And it's not about buying - it's about lending for a while. "Lend-Lease" is called. Invented by Roosevelt in response to Churchill's request in 1940 to lend Britain 50 destroyers.

Do you know how Roosevelt justified this in his radio message to the American people? “Imagine that your neighbor has a house on fire and he urgently needs a hose,” he said. “You will not answer your neighbor that he must first pay 5 dollars for him.” You say: "Take the hose, and when you put out, you will return ..."

However, according to our data, advisers to the commander-in-chief struck out the combat ships from the list of those weapons that Ukraine asks from the United States ...

But given the rapid transformation of the Crimea into the military base of the aggressor country with the very soon appearance of 4-5 of new submarines and 4-5 of new frigates and corvettes of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, maritime power Ukraine (© Poroshenko P.A.) are needed today, as today at least, such compounds of the Ukrainian fleet:

1. Black Sea squadron based on Odessa.

2. The connection of small ships based on Ochakov.

3. The connection of small ships based on the Skadovsk.

4. Azov naval flotilla based in Berdyansk.

5. Danube flotilla based on Ishmael.

But we got carried away ...

The formal reason for the relocation of the remnants of the fleet to Nikolaev is returning to Odessa to the buildings where the structures of the Navy, the Southern Operational Command of the Ground Forces (the former Odessa Military District) are located. By the way, with all due respect, land generals thinking in terms of horses, tanks, carts and war chariots, as always in stories wars, they believe that for the defense of the coastline it is enough to put artillery and machine guns ... And they dream to command fleets.

But something tells us that the informal reason is completely different. Too tasty for building hectares today occupy the objects of the Ukrainian Navy in Odessa - the city center, the seashore, military camps. Come to your senses, gentlemen, without a fleet, other “investors” will build up there ...

And in conclusion - not the topic, but this article.

We hope that everyone understands that such a “redeployment” of the fleet in the conditions of war will entail the destruction of the streamlined control systems and special communications, will cause new chaos in the deployment of military personnel and their families.

This will be followed by the mass dismissal of the very same 3-s of thousands of Ukrainian patriots in sea uniform, many of whom still live in the cabin of half-ransacked Russian ships, hoping for a revival of the fleet.

Still need to ask the question: "Who benefits?". Still need to name Putin? It is necessary to mention the FSB and the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation?

And you can also ask the commander in chief? “How in the context of the transfer of the Naval Forces of Ukraine to the Southern Bug to understand that in 60 km from the coast of the Odessa region and in 180 km from the occupied Crimea, Russian rocket boats are guarded by the notorious“ Boyko towers ”, producing our gas?”

However, we will give a chance to the president: if it is stated that all this is not true, the author will publicly bring the lowest apologies and assurances of the highest respect.

If it turns out that this is true ... Then the man, whom the author also chose as the commander-in-chief, awaits another Maidan - a naval one. With warranty. And this is not a threat - it is just a self-fulfilling forecast.
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  1. +133
    22 November 2014 21: 27
    I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?
    1. +37
      22 November 2014 21: 32
      Indeed, it is said - "fiction in the next section."
      1. +98
        22 November 2014 21: 50
        I'm colorado but I'm so glad
        Svidomye, we are in different weights.
        My grandfather glorified Stalingrad,
        You dishonored Odessa.
        I am pro-Russian, I am.
        We are fellow believers by fate,
        But your maidan croal
        A knife through the back into my heart.
        I am Russian!!! I am for you Katsap.
        We do not stomp the road together
        Your procession to the gay parade,
        And the Russians are marching toward God.
        I will not jump. Did not fall
        Jump Russia to someone's tune.
        We do not rush to the bone
        And do not change the honor of the booth.
        I'm a padded jacket. My uniform is love.
        You praise shooting at children.
        But blood does not wash away the blood.
        And there is no body armor for souls.
        Your choice is hatred in the eyes.
        And man-made inclement weather.
        But fear is not a bond
        Do not build happiness on misfortune.
        Fratricide is your motto.
        Unanimous Opinion
        Embroidered March - Epicrisis
        Continuity of generations.
        You decided that a friend is your Enemy.
        Words replace guns for you
        In response, the proverb in verse:
        A soldier in the fall count.

        A. Makarov
        1. +4
          23 November 2014 00: 14
          Ah how good !!!!!!!
        2. +10
          23 November 2014 02: 36
          they defiantly walked through Russian checkpoints on an isthmus in a white dress uniform, with Ukrainian naval flags displayed in the open windows of buses and cars.
          so they walked or rode!
          1. +5
            23 November 2014 06: 24
            And I liked it - the steppe Ukrainian fleet.
            1. 0
              24 November 2014 09: 41
              In the USSR, a submarine used to say in the steppes of Ukraine and it happened
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          3. GRANATE-19
            +5
            23 November 2014 11: 05
            Quote: Dmitry
            so they walked or rode!

            They don’t go to the Navy, don’t swim, but only GO, .lya!
            What kind of patriots they are, they are "82 meters" (by the way, this is, according to their classification, "Moskal propaganda"), they have seen enough, but in our COUNTRY, how they did not destroy the fleet, but did not destroy it ..., and over time it was revived and now he goes to the set goal - to become one of the STRONGEST FRIENDS OF RUSSIA!
            And the Ukrainian leadership, headed by the president and prime minister and a gang of other insane people, themselves bury both the fleet and the army, we can only watch inactive without doing anything ... (they will bury everything, EVERYTHING!)


            Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          4. 0
            24 November 2014 00: 07
            They pushed in front of them stalled buses with the flags of some Navy sticking out of the windows .....
          5. 0
            24 November 2014 09: 44
            gone or left what a difference in the ass in the mouth they kilo dust dust on the neck and lead the column going to the farm
    2. +68
      22 November 2014 21: 41
      I read and read, nifiga did not understand, some mixture of hysteria, delirium, cries of cheers and chef all disappeared. In other words, today's usual Ukrainian rhetoric.
      1. +37
        22 November 2014 22: 33
        I would even say that a true patriot of the outskirts who made the right choice in favor of the Navy now thinks that it was necessary to stay in Crimea. Awareness came that he was cheated on a large scale, left behind with nothing! Now elbows bite and hysteria! After all, there’s no need to ask ... That's why everything is mixed up in the article: Putin, the GRU, and the Russians with a crowbar and a sledgehammer! Eh, dill mentality ...
        1. +17
          22 November 2014 23: 48
          Quote: Sharky
          I would even say that a true patriot of the outskirts who made the right choice in favor of the Navy now thinks that it was necessary to stay in Crimea. Awareness came that he was cheated on a large scale, left behind with nothing! Now elbows bite and hysteria! After all, there’s no one to ask ...

          even more so when he calls to Crimea his former colleagues who decided to serve in the Black Sea Fleet. Well, I can’t even imagine what is happening there when the wives of these officers call their former girlfriends in Sevas ...
        2. +3
          23 November 2014 03: 34
          Chef mustache is gone. Porosenko hang yourself.
      2. +22
        22 November 2014 23: 09
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        I read and read, nifiga did not understand, some mixture of hysteria, delirium, cries of cheers and chef all disappeared. In other words, today's usual Ukrainian rhetoric.

        And I neighing with all my heart. It's not true what they smoke?
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      4. +9
        22 November 2014 23: 14
        Dill howl about the greatness of the Outskirts.
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    4. +25
      22 November 2014 21: 45
      Well, they left for Ukraine, even if the "sailors" vegetate there, in the Zaporozhye steppes. And there you look, and not today or tomorrow will be sent to the "atoms".
      1. +37
        22 November 2014 22: 34
        Well, so they left, considering themselves heroes and promises of a brighter future from dill, but in reality their families found themselves in a clean field along the back of the road in practically poverty. One and a half hundred people left the battalions of marines in dill, and instead of a bright future, their families found themselves in dilapidated sanatoriums for self-sufficiency, and the marines themselves were brought into the company and sent to the front line to the marik to plug a hole in the defense, some of whom had already died. The family is in poverty, they themselves are waiting for the city of the DPR in the trenches - complete fat to the heroes. Well, the fleet practically does not exist -
        they should have written off the corvette Vinnytsia - it’s practically not running, Priluki almost drowned in the parade, Kirovohrad also needs repair and remains at the dill one hetman sagaidachny and Skadovsk boat, which is suitable for a maximum place in the border service. It’s really in their fleet one battle-worthy ship. Well, what is the point for Ukraine, which is scooping up for the army in Donbass to feed in such a fleet and what tasks can it solve? Well, of course it’s a shame for the patriots - a great sea power and only one combat-capable ship — even the submarine fleet took the oaths. It's a shame to them. It is gratifying that the remnants of the fleet that we have squeezed from them are few to demand. Of course junk, but given that we were forbidden to develop the Black Sea Fleet and these ships will strengthen it after repair. 3 IPC And 2 sea minesweepers will not be superfluous, 1 BDK for Syrian convoys worth its weight in gold, the control ship seems to have decided to remake the submarine, the submarine is really not needed in FIG, but it’s also scary to give dill, or else they’ll fumble and fool around to somebody. In general, say the Navy - rest in peace!
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        2. GRANATE-19
          0
          23 November 2014 18: 34
          Quote: g1v2
          In general, say the Navy - rest in peace!

          Navy - rest with sal!
          hover over photo
          RELAX THE PEACE KRAINSKY FLEET!

          (Or rather with salsa, since they don’t have money for lard!)
        3. -4
          24 November 2014 01: 00
          Quote: g1v2
          It is gratifying that the remnants of the fleet that we have squeezed from them require few

          I will note that I am one of many whom you write that is not enough ... moreover, those who "want" to return Ukrainian things are just Russian-speaking residents. Once again I will write that keeping these 9 ships in captivity is an act of aggression towards my homeland.
          And until this is corrected, I will consider the Russian Federation an aggressor.
          And once again I will note, write yourself "squeezed" ... you do not recognize any peaceful transition yourself ... squeeze / capture / trophies ...
          I am sure that 9 ships are not worth being. loyal pro-Russian Ukrainians considered the Russian Federation an enemy and an aggressor. Why did the former because the fleet was in captivity ...
          1. 0
            24 November 2014 09: 51
            Of course you need to transfer the remnants of the fleet, otherwise the treasury can be worn out.
          2. 0
            24 November 2014 12: 31
            Well, no one forbids you to count as you please. You are a citizen of an enemy country and providing comfort and defense is not our concern. When Ukraine separated, it appropriated almost all the military equipment located on its territory and Crimea did the same. Tch ships is the property of Crimea, which we got after joining. We returned the scrap metal and unnecessary ships to you, although we might not have returned them. I think that this was revenge on GDP for 23 years of blackmailing the Black Sea Fleet. Now you will have a headache, where to put all this scrap metal. Or leave in Odessa to occupy valuable commercial berths or to lead Nikolaev out of place. Moreover, most of the ships will probably go to salvage, because they are of no value, and repairing and supplying them is not affordable for the navy.
          3. 0
            25 November 2014 07: 38
            we are neither cold nor hot from your "counting room".
            even the rest cannot be contained.
            "sho no eat then bite?"
      2. +12
        22 November 2014 23: 16
        Yes, who would have thought about the reality of expression - a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine.
    5. +10
      22 November 2014 21: 48
      Gradually begins to reach the consciousness of Svidomo that they simply raped.
      1. +7
        22 November 2014 22: 40
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Gradually begins to reach the consciousness of Svidomo that they simply raped


        Not that word and not once. fool
    6. +2
      22 November 2014 21: 58
      My first perception is the same. And on the other hand, the cost of the Fleet is threefold superior to the land explorers. Little Russia will not pull it now. There was no fleet and never will be ...
    7. +5
      22 November 2014 21: 58
      Is this a joke or hohloderlog? Or another hysteria?
      1. +20
        22 November 2014 22: 29
        it’s the cry of the soul of a military sailor who thought that Ukraine sounds proudly, but it turned out ... This is written by a former military sailor who understood, or rather begins to understand, that he is already nobody.
      2. +2
        22 November 2014 22: 55
        This is yet another preparation to appeal to their employers about the allocation of Abamas for the revival of ukroflot ..
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    9. +17
      22 November 2014 22: 02
      Quote: N7 Wanderer
      what for here to print a banderlog hysteria?

      For a better understanding, who is now bred in Ukraine in a fair amount.
      And their mental level and naivety.
      Signed up as a friend to the United States and its vassals. lol
      There is no understanding that they need Banderlog not as friends, friends, but only to "contain" the Russian Federation, as one of the tools in upholding a unipolar world ... request
      He is counting on some ships "in good technical condition", but he is modestly silent about the fact that there is no money to restore their troughs ... they say, the Russians spoiled them, but not from the bottom of the sea after being hit by air bombs they raised their vessels. And such were restored, in history there are a lot of examples.
      It would be a desire and opportunity.
      And then what kind of shishe contain squadrons of former NATO ships? what
      It is silent, does not give an answer.
      It is a pity that such woodpeckers are "more than a fig" in the open spaces of the independent ...
      Or maybe it’s for the best - they themselves will be confused and trimmed so that you don’t go to the militia.
    10. +3
      22 November 2014 22: 10
      Quote: N7 Wanderer
      I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

      That would have an idea of ​​the megalomania of the descendants of "great ukrov" !!!
    11. +13
      22 November 2014 22: 35
      Quote: N7 Wanderer
      I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?


      The Muzhinka got lost, besides the melancholy green through fingers rushing. He would hang himself, and not suffer.
      1. 0
        22 November 2014 23: 04
        I agree, I would add to the press KG \ AM
      2. 0
        25 November 2014 07: 40
        the author also probably shouted "With the name of Ameryk!"
    12. +10
      22 November 2014 23: 04
      Well, first of all, this is far from hysterical, but a fairly reasonable description of the situation. Secondly: not "Banderlog" (only one thing is heard from Banderlog: "Putin .....") The author is just a Ukrainian patriot who loves his homeland no less than we love ours. And you can read carefully, without URA-PATRIOTISM, and you can subtract something interesting.
    13. 0
      22 November 2014 23: 05
      I did not ... I did not understand! laughing
    14. +2
      22 November 2014 23: 18
      Judging by the link, a reprint from the Ukrainian resource of the armed forces. The author’s signature is even the same. In short kohdyatsky stuffing, they are now crap on all resources.
      1. jjj
        +6
        22 November 2014 23: 59
        But the men who remained in Crimea and began serving in the Black Sea Fleet, now, go and get baptized with your elbow and praise yourself for your foresight.
    15. 0
      23 November 2014 00: 51
      about! one more, only now the naval maidan! squeals like a tantrum, but real? already how many maidans promised, not one was!
    16. +4
      23 November 2014 02: 04
      Yes, it's normal, the real position of their fleet through the mouth of "THEIR" sailors is useful to listen to.
      His article is a requiem for the fleet of Ukroruina.
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    18. +3
      23 November 2014 02: 35
      "Those who did not betray" longed for their abandoned dachas. Oh well. Everything is according to Freud. laughing
    19. +1
      23 November 2014 12: 20
      Quote: Wanderer N7
      I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

      The editors decided to show what? Diversity of opinions or forgot that topwar.so ru and not ua.?
    20. 0
      23 November 2014 13: 22
      An alternative view of events, so to speak ... But if you serve the wrong god, do not wait for good luck and justice. Maydauns themselves understand the artificiality of this state entity, and therefore do everything in a toy way.
    21. 0
      23 November 2014 13: 22
      An alternative view of events, so to speak ... But if you serve the wrong god, do not wait for good luck and justice. Maydauns themselves understand the artificiality of this state entity, and therefore do everything in a toy way.
    22. 0
      23 November 2014 13: 23
      Invented by Roosevelt in response to Churchill's request in 1940 to lend Britain 50 destroyers.


      It is interesting why it didn’t indicate that, in exchange for these ships, Churchill transferred to Roosevelt the rights to a number of his overseas possessions.
  2. +9
    22 November 2014 21: 33
    The author, and who complains to whom?
    1. +6
      22 November 2014 22: 22
      The handkerchief should not be submitted to the author of the article, in case the sneakers wiped off.
      1. avt
        +4
        22 November 2014 22: 37
        Quote: Penelope
        The handkerchief should not be submitted to the author of the article, in case the sneakers wiped off.

        Nah - brew poppy straws, or put a cannabis of cannabis on the back - let it go on about squadrons of mugs and chovniv fid .. well, in general it’s clear laughing And at the same time, let him finally solve the riddle that Bulgakov had posed in the White Guard, well, where is the cat on the move - the whale. But what about the whale on the move?
        1. +2
          22 November 2014 23: 38
          Give him glue to smell something, let him calm down.
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  3. Baskak
    +6
    22 November 2014 21: 33
    MMM Petya is dreaming and hoping. It would be better if he took care of his citizens, otherwise he only raises taxes. The economy is all at the bottom, and he has all his dreams of a powerful army.
  4. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 33
    Sorry, I didn’t understand anything. Where did it come from. Maybe I'm buggy? Author Andrei KLIMENKO who it is and where it comes from.
    1. +10
      22 November 2014 21: 53
      Quote: AleksPol
      Sorry, I didn’t understand anything.

      Well, of course! The author threatens Pete with a naval Maidan, since he was offended by the collapse of the fleet, he was offended for those sailors who returned to Ukraine. And here on you ... There was a fleet and as many as 5 admirals, and now where? There will now be "Admiral Plot" precisely, through P ... sailors-raftsmen ... By the way, somewhere infa flashed that 100 sailors who did not return were tried in absentia in Odessa.
      1. +4
        22 November 2014 22: 00
        Thanks Elena, this is understandable. I was simply surprised by the appearance on the website of an article without cuts. Her place in the censor.
  5. +15
    22 November 2014 21: 34
    The note “returned to the Russian Federation” is important in view of the mentality of the Russian Federation itself - it means that before returning ships to them with scrap and sledgehammers everything that cannot be removed, unscrewed and carried away was barbarously destroyed.

    Well, of course ... not to admit that from the moment of independence they plundered and pumped everything that was inherited from the USSR.
    py.sy.i in general, the article is not from the censor? It is very similar to censored miscarriages what
    1. 0
      23 November 2014 18: 19
      Even so, they did it right anyway. I would also mine important nodes. Damn, they found a great sea power - Ukraine. 7 combat ready troughs. Yes, our Caspian flotilla is the strongest of the Ukrainian Navy combined, and I am not talking about the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. -1
        24 November 2014 01: 02
        Quote: Jaros81
        . I would also mine important sites.

        yes yes .. let's mine all the important nodes ... the World Cup will be a theater of not only conflict but also hot wars.
  6. +2
    22 November 2014 21: 34
    ahhh ... chief ... everything is gone! ....
  7. +37
    22 November 2014 21: 35
    "Our friends and allies - the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands - are mothballed, which means" in good technical condition ", they have hundreds of not new, but quite combat-ready ships of the classes and types that we need today like air for defense against a Russian attack. These are missile cruisers, frigates and destroyers, corvettes and minesweepers, coast guard ships and landing ships. And we still have not just officers, but, according to the president, also the patriotic spirit of sailors "- and here the author-banderlog hints at getting freebies in the form of ships from NATO. They are there in their ukrofashisti FOR YOUR ACCOUNT AND BY YOUR WORK in general plan to start living someday ?!.. fuu, it is impossible to describe the degree of aversion to these animals.

    "And it's not about buying - it's about borrowing for a while" - otherwise someone doubted!))) You have lived and live for all 23 years at the expense of others, and your borrow "always turns into" grab "," snatch ", at worst," beg. "The understate is complete, living on alms or on plundered or donated
    1. +4
      22 November 2014 23: 34
      Quote: N7 Wanderer
      "And it's not about buying - it's about borrowing for a while" - otherwise someone doubted!))) You have lived and live for all 23 years at the expense of others, and your borrow "always turns into" grab "," snatch ", at worst," beg. "The understate is complete, living on alms or on plundered or donated


      Do you know how Roosevelt justified this in his radio message to the American people? “Imagine that your neighbor has a house on fire and he urgently needs a hose,” he said. “You will not answer your neighbor that he must first pay 5 dollars for him.” You say: "Take the hose, and when you put out, you will return ..."

      A normal neighbor, taking everything he needs, will put out the neighbor's fire himself. Even in such "little things", we are different.
    2. +1
      23 November 2014 07: 07
      Decommissioned Canadian F-18 aircraft were unable to afford Kiev-http: //www.vesti.ru/doc.html? Id = 2144976 & cid = 9
  8. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 37
    Well, rams, rams, the whole Black Sea is shot through by the bastion, what’s the use of it if the old steamers push them with mattresses? they won’t be given weapons to the ships - after all, the tomahawks of greenery stand, but they will do as a victim. rams .....
  9. +11
    22 November 2014 21: 41
    As soon as they immediately frighten the Maidan. Will they arrange a Maidan in the bay?
    Even the Germans copied the flag, only the colors changed. wassat
  10. +16
    22 November 2014 21: 41
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  11. Ivan 63
    +11
    22 November 2014 21: 42
    Ukraine was ... is ... and will be, yes, fullness, Mr.'re coming out, maydanuty, there was no such state and will not be, let alone the "great sea power" so from this and a hedgehog crap.
  12. Valentine77 64
    +18
    22 November 2014 21: 42
    Good night, Lord. I haven't visited the site for a long time (there were reasons: I met a girl from Slavyansk who came to our city, and learned firsthand what it was ... How "Ukrainians began to bomb", how her boyfriend turned out to be a supporter of "Salo dropped", how her father found out that she had applied for Russian citizenship and perceived her as a traitor)
    This is not funny at all. This is really the last battle of the Russian world - there is nowhere to go further.
    In the Middle Ages they gave Germany, then Poland, the Baltic states, then where to?
  13. +5
    22 November 2014 21: 42
    "But given the rapid transformation of Crimea into a military base of the aggressor country with the very soon appearance there of 4-5 new submarines and 4-5 new frigates and corvettes of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the sea power of Ukraine (© Poroshenko P.A.) is needed today, at least, such connections of the Ukrainian fleet: .... "YOU JUST GET OUT! :))) Marine, blaaaa, power ... Wouldn't make the world laugh at least
    1. +2
      22 November 2014 22: 02
      Quote: N7 Wanderer
      Marine, blyaaa, power

      Even some. A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine is worth, go, division, and even a mechanized corps. True, the case of "Zaporizhzhia" is a little rusty, and with mechanisms not ah, but still SALA UKRAINE !!!
      1. +1
        22 November 2014 22: 37
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: N7 Wanderer
        Marine, blyaaa, power

        Even some. A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine is worth, go, division, and even a mechanized corps. True, the case of "Zaporizhzhia" is a little rusty, and with mechanisms not ah, but still SALA UKRAINE !!!

        For a quarter of a century they tried to repair this "Zaporozhye" in the best years - to modernize and nothing came of it. And now, when the country is rapidly draining into the toilet, they are trying to talk about the great sea power.
    2. +2
      23 November 2014 01: 39
      Don’t worry, these dill will dig another sea somewhere on the banks of the Bug or near Kiev, and build a fleet, and they will have a sea power.
      1. 0
        23 November 2014 09: 22
        Quote: Starik72
        and they will have a sea power
        Or underwater.
  14. +8
    22 November 2014 21: 43
    you need to work out heels of decommissioned aircraft carriers and a couple of battleships from the United States. you can ask other countries to scratch the bottom of the barrel and jointly create ukroine-at their own expense, of course, the largest fleet in the world, and no matter what turns out to be a huge dump of free scrap metal, ukroine everything will do -on kraynyak you will then be sold for scrap your = the same ships. in kueva you need to establish the zero meridian and recognize this hail as the navel of the earth with the title of "city of world freebies" assigned to it. how they fought off Russian bears armed with portable nuclear bombs.
    1. +6
      22 November 2014 22: 08
      Quote: sv68
      heels of decommissioned aircraft carriers and a pair of battleships

      I don't remember who said and what literally, but like "Do you want to bankrupt a small developing country? Give her a cruiser." Ukraine, of course, cannot be called small (yet), and even more so developing (rather, degrading), but not even heels - one decommissioned aircraft carrier is quite enough.
      1. +1
        22 November 2014 23: 00
        Aircraft carrier??? Cut and sell ...
      2. 0
        23 November 2014 01: 44
        So they will take an aircraft carrier, attach a tracked or wheeled mover to it, and it will go along the steppes of Ukropia, crushing the sea power of Russia.
  15. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 44
    Some kind of verbal diarrhea! What did the author want in general? laughing
    1. +5
      22 November 2014 21: 47
      Quote: Reinhard
      Some kind of verbal diarrhea! What did the author want in general? laughing

      He complains that everything is bad, calls for free, transparently hints that Western countries SHOULD (!) Give Ukraine ships. Free of course. And it’s better to pay extra, not just because they were on the Maidan!
    2. +2
      22 November 2014 22: 05
      A terrible dream of ukrofashists and NATO wardens is the creation of a strong Russian naval base on the peninsula + the use of a unique Balaklava bay.
  16. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 46
    The note “returned to the Russian Federation” is important in view of the mentality of the Russian Federation itself - it means that before returning ships to them with scrap and sledgehammers everything that cannot be removed, unscrewed and carried away was barbarously destroyed.
    Was there anything else that could be removed?
    For the ten years that are needed to build a new fleet at domestic plants
    Well, plans - the fleet for a dozen years from scratch. Cool, as an engineer I say - it's very cool, South Korea and Japan nervously smoke in the corner.
    which we need today as air for defense against the Russian attack. These are missile cruisers, frigates and destroyers, corvettes and minesweepers, coast guard ships and landing ships
    The author forgot about aircraft carriers, battleships and submarines.
    Still need to ask the question: "Who benefits?". Still need to name Putin? It is necessary to mention the FSB and the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation?
    The author forgot again - there are still Chechens.
  17. +6
    22 November 2014 21: 46
    What kind of bolt are they posting on the VO dill? Just to make us laugh when we read about "proud Ukrainian sailors in white dress uniforms?" Let the "censor" go. There svidomye and shizanutye will support him !!!
  18. +11
    22 November 2014 21: 47
    Give the great land power "Ukraine"! Nafig them finally the Black Sea? They are able to dig new things. Yes
  19. +27
    22 November 2014 21: 47
    ... as senior officers of the Ukrainian Navy, who have seen the storms of different seas ...



    I almost burst into tears ...
  20. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 48
    Not, at first, I was indignant at the dill article on our website :), but the further the funnier and funnier: "... those very 3 thousand Ukrainian patriots in sea shoulder straps, many of whom still live in the cockpits of ships half-destroyed by the Russians, hoping for the revival of the fleet.".. They, dill, there’s absolutely one and a half neuron in their brains that they hope for such a fantasy? :))) Or is it the author at all, who does not imagine what the fleet is like in our time? At least a little? That it’s a terribly expensive pleasure, available only to selected countries
  21. +5
    22 November 2014 21: 49
    waiting for another Maidan - the naval .__________________ How is it? I would like more details. Maybe they will cover the remaining boats with tires and set fire to them? Or drown them en masse?
  22. +4
    22 November 2014 21: 49
    "Then the person, whom the author also chose as commander-in-chief, will have another Maidan - naval. With a guarantee. And this is not a threat - this is just a self-fulfilling forecast."

    Maybe you have enough Maidanov? Or haven’t jumped yet! For more than 20 years you have lived on your own, and what prevented you from reviving the fleet and army? I'm already silent about the economy! The USSR left you huge reserves of weapons and economic potential ... and where is all this now ?!
  23. +3
    22 November 2014 21: 49
    Quote: Wanderer N7
    I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

    can Svidomo forum confused ?? laughing
  24. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 51
    How did this heresy get here? Author, you are wrong. The psychiatric hospital is a little further, straight ahead and to the right. Although like most ukrov, you are already there. PS "our friends and allies, the United States, etc." - how can this be done? They are not your friends, you are for them like a path on the way to Russia, which they trample and trample.
  25. +1
    22 November 2014 21: 52
    Why does Ukraine need a fleet? As a US state, you already have a fleet, the largest and most modern one, ships change every month. But what you had left, you also stole at one time, so let's not pretend that everything was profiting by overwork and your own brains.
  26. +1
    22 November 2014 21: 53
    Of course you need to put the ships in Odessa, Nikolaev, Ochakovo. When Ukraine wakes up in the Donbas, it would not hurt the ships. But I'm afraid Ukraine, is unlikely to be called Ukraine.
  27. +4
    22 November 2014 21: 53
    some idiot - he was going, in the absence of finances, to rebuild a new fleet for "some ten years" - a naive Chukchi youth ..... you first scrape a coal for the winter, and then stutter about the navy - you have nothing - you hicks !!!!!!!
  28. +7
    22 November 2014 21: 57
    "You still need to ask the question:" Who benefits from this? "Do you still need to name Putin's name? Do you need to mention the FSB and the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation?" .. Yes, you, dog, have forgotten the Altai armored police !!!!!!! :)
  29. +9
    22 November 2014 21: 57
    no need to minus, all adults, and the author, in my opinion, of course, is not a Bandera member, but our political opponent. And also imagine that the Russian Federation and Ukraine are allies again and at the X hour, with which we will support the Russian Federation World Cup in the war, for example, with the Martians ??? Most of the troughs will need to be guarded themselves, and to cover the entire area it will be necessary to disperse already small forces. Well, the forehead hurts, the government is new, and the methods are old or even worse, to destroy the rest (to sell) it is clear that the mentioned Amerovs cruisers are a stone on the neck of a poor military budget, but patrolmen, destroyers (3-5 in total) would not hurt in terms of some familiarization to counteract "partners".
    1. +5
      22 November 2014 22: 08
      “With which we will support the Navy of the World Cup in the war, for example, with the Martians ???”

      great Ukrainians will not fight with the Martians! because they are their descendants!
      learn the story :)))
      1. +7
        22 November 2014 22: 15
        Well no...
        These are MARSIANS, - descendants of Ukrainians ... laughing
  30. +3
    22 November 2014 21: 57
    ... "Who benefits from this?" Still need to call Putin's last name?

    In!!! The man has already begun to think "logically" ... - THIS IS PUTIN "TO BE GUILTY", this is HIM, - "PROFITABLE"!
    In short, - Patroshenko, in "conspiracy" with Putin ...Yes
  31. +5
    22 November 2014 21: 57
    Orchestra farewell Slavyanka. What the hell are the officers. They serve Obama and also call themselves officers. And the dreams of the naval Manilov will be dreams. Obviously, this Svidomo mixed up the forum.
  32. +16
    22 November 2014 21: 58
    This article is useful because shows the worldview of a very large number of citizens of Ukraine. And do not have any illusions, there really are a lot of such, and maybe even the majority. Not overwhelming, of course, but most. 23 years of driving into the brain of manic delirium about the greatness of Ukraine did not go in vain. The worst thing is that they are ideological and motivated to war with us. And they will go to kill the damned, and the hand will not tremble, as it is not trembling now in New Russia. So, ideologically, we, Ukraine, excuse me, we’ve pumped it. Everything will return to normal, but now it will happen very, very soon.
    1. Who
      +1
      23 November 2014 08: 19
      You are mistaken! Ukrainians have always - since the 20s, believed that the won feed "poor" Russia, which ... built them cities and factories, schools and universities, poured huge money into agriculture, denying itself everything. That is why they so easily succumbed to the provocation of "independence" and that they are about to become the "second storage".

      But accustomed to freebies during the years of the USSR, thieves by their Selyukov nature, the won for 23 years did not build anything, and what remained of the Union was plundered and destroyed. And the war "against Russia" for them is the only way to justify the devastation and their mediocre rule all these years. They will go "to the end" in order to eventually find themselves under the tutelage of Russia again. God forbid Russia to succumb to this provocation
  33. +5
    22 November 2014 21: 59
    Why the hell did they place the Zhidobandera propaganda here?
  34. +2
    22 November 2014 22: 02
    The author-to ... L. I would also tell how the Cossacks invented the submarine in the 15th century.
  35. +7
    22 November 2014 22: 03
    This article is useful because shows the worldview of a very large number of citizens of Ukraine. And do not have any illusions, there really are a lot of such, and maybe even the majority. Not overwhelming, of course, but most. 23 years of driving into the brain of manic delirium about the greatness of Ukraine did not go in vain. The worst thing is that they are ideological and motivated to war with us. And they will go to kill the damned, and the hand will not tremble, as it is not trembling now in New Russia. So, ideologically, we, Ukraine, excuse me, we’ve pumped it. Everything will return to normal, but now it will happen very, very soon.
  36. +4
    22 November 2014 22: 04
    Andrei !!! You confused the site !!!!! There is no greasy propaganda !!!! laughing
  37. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 05
    Do not criticize the editors of "VO". One has to imagine how they breathe, what and how more or less adequate "Banderlog" argues? And so - read and understand. They smoke marijuana, hence all the nonsense and screams ... About the "greatness" of Daunkraina, her "special purpose", the "advanced" stronghold of democracy, "the defender of Europe." History shows them their place - in the backyard.
  38. +4
    22 November 2014 22: 06
    Quote: Giant thought
    Gradually begins to reach the consciousness of Svidomo that they simply raped.

    And in my opinion it’s still not a damn thing to them! , at least judging by this nonsense. Along the way, they still think that Europe, the states and NATO are about to give them everything, that they will jump a little more - and there will be salaries of 5 thousand euros, a navy with 5 bases, and a "defeated Rashka" that will supply gas free and pay extra. It's just that the pig has sold out for some reason - the ships are still dumb, and yet half a year has passed since they were kicked out of the Crimea!
  39. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 06
    “We must put this issue very tough,” the President said, emphasizing that the decision of the self-proclaimed Crimean authorities to allegedly nationalize these ships would not go unnoticed by the current government. “We won’t allow it, and these ships should be part of the Ukrainian Navy, ”the President emphasized.
    He will not allow it. I wonder how? Some fat-faced hog, not burdened with intellect, makes such statements. Maybe someday these ships will be in this composition. But by this time in Ukraine, today will be remembered with horror, and the names of the current rulers will be damned for centuries. In the meantime - "Don't waste your energy, godmother, go to the bottom."
  40. +1
    22 November 2014 22: 07
    Submarine in the steppes of hohland, ce fleet!
  41. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 10
    Put a plus. I really liked the mood of the officers of the "navy" of Ukraine. Still do not understand ??? You were thrown !!! Poroshenko doesn't care about you. He will ruin everything and fly to the states.
  42. +15
    22 November 2014 22: 12
    Something more like the "Alternative History" genre! If such an appeal to the "commander-in-chief" for the author, it is clearly not there unsubscribed. It seems to me that the author only made people laugh! laughing laughing laughing
    Here's how your brave ukromoryaki dried mattresses after they saw Polite people! laughing
    1. viruvalge412ee
      +1
      23 November 2014 06: 10
      The mattresses on board are great!
      1. +3
        23 November 2014 06: 43
        Quote: viruvalge412ee
        The mattresses on board are great!

        Goal for fiction is cunning. The fenders drank it. laughing
        1. +1
          23 November 2014 09: 52
          Quote: novobranets
          The fenders drank it.
          Tires were, but they burned on the Maidan.
  43. +5
    22 November 2014 22: 17
    Quote: N7 Wanderer
    I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

    Just an article shows that even to the most stubborn banderlogs, it began to reach, like all of them on ** ali.
  44. +4
    22 November 2014 22: 22
    The borders had to be demarcated 20 years ago before they were too late, for the Estonians to take note.
  45. +1
    22 November 2014 22: 23
    why do we need this article?
  46. +5
    22 November 2014 22: 30
    The author of the article summed up the logical result of the current policy of Ukraine, which I foresaw for myself during my service on the Black Sea Fleet in 1991. And the result of the article is: "Born to crawl does not fly long" !!! laughing
  47. Cat
    +3
    22 November 2014 22: 32
    Cry Yaroslavna! Moreover, the saying - a submarine in the steppes of Zaporozhye, is gaining true.
  48. +10
    22 November 2014 22: 33
    Klimenko posted his opus on blackseanews.net/allnews/russia. Our moderators for "cheering" members of the forum have posted this masterpiece on our website.
    But, to the point.
    Crying for "the fleet" is a bluff! The fleet is a very expensive thing, which only an economically wealthy state can afford to maintain, which Dill is not.
    An attempt to "lend-lick" from the bounty of amerovskoy "canned food" is doomed to failure. Poland bought 2 frigates of the type O.H. Perry "on the cheap", and then cried with burning tears: when "exploited" they are bobs like your vacuum cleaner. And rocket armament - it costs a lot of dollars ... So, here at Svidomo - a classic bummer all over the face! And what about the "planned" connections of the Naval Forces of Ukraine - well, it's not a dream to dream! But the reality factor of these fantasies is close to zero! IMHO.
  49. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 35
    Big dreamer and science fiction this Andriy Klimenko!
  50. +9
    22 November 2014 22: 36
    Why was this article posted here? This is necessary for the censor. What is the Ukrainian fleet? What is the crazy writer writing about? He himself listed what was left of the so-called "fleet" (he had never been a fleet before). In fact, there is one Sagaidachny Bole less combat-ready and that's it !!!! This is what Ukraine's fleet is today. The author forgot to say how many ships Ukraine seized after the collapse of the USSR. Golden time for Ukrainians! They pissed away everything and aircraft-carrying cruisers and missile cruisers and many other almost ready-made "canole" ships. The fleet must also contain fools, and this is a very expensive pleasure. Even if the Ukrainians give their ships to the Yankees, then first of all it is necessary to train the Ukrainian crews, build supply and repair bases, warehouses and other infrastructure and much more. When I served there was a formula - one sailor at sea, and three on the shore (supply, etc.) While the Ukrainians can forget about the fleet and forget about it. Whoever rides is drowning in the sea !!
    1. GUS
      +4
      22 November 2014 23: 06
      It does not sink. It hangs in the hole. It was, is and will be, how many and which ships do not give them.
    2. 0
      24 November 2014 01: 08
      Quote: Arseny
      Fucked up everything and aircraft-carrying cruisers and missile cruisers and many other almost ready-made "canole" ships

      when dividing, the aircraft carrier cruiser (the same Gorshkov) was hijacked, one of them, like the Russian Federation, was sold to China (except Gorshkov) to China (it was Varyag since the Russian Federation did not need it)
      missile cruisers Ukraine Ukraine has not given a single one ..
      Only Lobov, which Nikolaev was building on.
      When dividing the Russian Federation still took more ships. I see no reason to discuss this. The World Cup of the Russian Federation did not shine either. Well, the Navy is always dumb.
  51. +2
    22 November 2014 22: 36
    “The grown-up, stern men with big stars on their shoulder straps had a catch in their throats: “You know, this is the future of the new Ukrainian fleet.” Can you imagine, they defiantly walked through Russian checkpoints on the isthmus in white dress uniforms, with Ukrainian naval insignia displayed in the open windows of buses and cars? flags..." Didn’t you know that Russians leave only to COME BACK?
  52. +7
    22 November 2014 22: 36
    @@Can you imagine, they defiantly walked through Russian checkpoints on the isthmus in white dress uniforms, with Ukrainian naval flags displayed in the open windows of buses and cars...”@@

    If they had honor and pride, they should have opened the seacocks and scuttled the ships (this is at least), or thrown themselves under the wheels of our tigers... but they screwed up the headquarters, screwed up the base, and took over their ships..
    in general, all this is lyrics, not honor and pride
  53. +6
    22 November 2014 22: 44
    I have a question for the author: do you know to which country the new government took your gold from the National Bank through the Boryspil airport in March. If you see an yatsenyukh or a trumpinov, ask. Under Yanuca, gold and foreign exchange reserves grew, before his flight there was more than 22 billion gold left, a month ago it was 13 billion, a week ago it suddenly turned out to be 10 times less. Dear Ukrainian, you still don’t understand who runs your country? Are GDP and the Russian Federation to blame? Are Crimeans on strike, Maidan, dissatisfied with their request to join Russia? I’ll try to explain it with my fingers, but don’t be offended. Russians sympathize with your plight; about a million Ukrainians were forced to move to Russia during the year. More than 20 thousand are still living in tents. In Moscow alone there are more than 100 thousand Ukrainian diaspora. Last year they printed 22 lard hryvnia, this year it is already 122 lard. Does this mean anything to you? What constitutional rights of Ukrainians does the Kuyev junta provide at the moment? What social guarantees does the Kueva junta provide at the moment?
    The desire of the Donbass and Lugansk region meets international standards proclaimed by the UN?
    I’m not urging you to do anything, I’m just suggesting that you look to the bottom of your soul and ask yourself a simple question: what’s next? Is this gang capable of providing constitutional guarantees? Do they have the will to do this or just blah blah?
    Do they have authority inside and outside the country? Is this government generally capable or can only scare you with Putin and Russia. How many young men died in the ATO? 10 thousand or more? Do you know why there are so many missing killers? In order not to be taken to the hospital, Ukrainian commanders sprinkled the seriously wounded in shell craters or threw them mixed with corpses into a damaged armored personnel carrier, sprinkled them with gunpowder while still alive and burned them like in a crematorium. The militia, when they find the abandoned corpses of the killers, bury them like human beings, and if they have a cell phone, they tell the mothers where their foolish, unfortunate child was buried.
    So do you need this power? Will it ever be better with them or should we urgently say goodbye to them like in Donetsk and Lugansk? The place of a worthy Ukrainian patriot is on a par with the militias of the southeast.
    You have chosen the wrong path and you have the wrong national leaders. They will swim away at any moment, fly away to where they hid their lard and forget about you. Their kids have a great time at the resorts, but what kind of money?
    What will you do when the Kuyev junta finally brings down the ruins? Geyropa and Merikashki will not feed you livers and pies on the Maidan forever. Piglet lies endlessly and contradicts himself. Nobody listens to him, he has no real power, it’s not his job to be president. Yaitsenyukh is inadequate and incompetent as a head of state. Even in such difficult times, he decided to cut off 10 lyams on coal supplies from Africa, as a result, the blacks were afraid of corruption and cut the supply of coal by half; out of four barges with coal, they paid for only three. Think, think.... Your tragedy is that the country is under direct control of the macaques from Fashington. For them, you are a province of shale gas. According to the agreement with Chevron alone, there are more than 5 thousand sq. km. Donbass and Luhansk region were sold for rent for 50 (!) years for 10 lard. Moreover, Chevron will sell this gas to anyone it wants. Ukraine will also be in line for this gas! So what? Nevermind, look on YouTube for videos of naive Americans who leased out their land for shale gas production. Your “authority” is an incompetent, greedy, unprincipled pack of cynical thieves and small-town bandits. And you say “supreme commander in chief...” A mediocre petty, crooked shopkeeper, who also serves a group of American citizens. Think.
    1. -3
      23 November 2014 01: 03
      Quote: Balu
      How many young men died in the ATO? 10 thousand or more? Do you know why there are so many missing killers?


      Why are you so persistently pushing everything to us, Ukrainians, how many of us died in the ATO? Well, honestly, this is already annoying and angry. We can figure it out ourselves. Check out http://memorybook.org.ua/. There, by name, by name!!, all the dead are listed. As of September 26, there were 1122 deaths. Today is November 22nd. Another 57 days have passed. We are reported from the Ukrainian media that about 5-6 people die every day. Well, let them actually die even 15 people a day from the security forces of Ukraine. This also means 15 × 57 = 855. 15 military personnel per day for wars close to modern ones is a significant indicator. Every day of the Vietnam War, an average of 16 American soldiers died every day. That war was in the dense jungle, intense, with a wide scope. There is no such thing in Donbass. Every day of the Falklands War took an average of 9 Argentine soldiers (half of them died on the sunken cruiser). Let's sum it up: 1122 + 855 = 1977 military. The number of missing people, according to the most inflated near-official sources from Ukraine, was announced at around 1800 people. Well, let there be 3 thousand of them. Not all of them died. Some were captured, some escaped. Let 90% of them die. We count: 3000 × 0,9 = 2700. Total: 1977 + 2700 = 4677. Another method can be used. The hostilities last for just over 7 months. Approximately 220 days. Let an average of 20 dill die every day. As a result: 220 × 20 = 4400. That is, the greatest possible losses (maximum!!) for Ukrainian soldiers are within 4 - 4,5 thousand. It’s unlikely even 5 thousand. And you, the Russians in particular, listen to it like this - 10 thousand, 15 thousand, 20 thousand dill... Why are you sculpting so clumsily? We, the residents of Ukraine, are not fools either. If there were 10 thousand, we would feel it ourselves without any media. According to your federal statistics, about 10 thousand military and various security officials from the federals died in the Chechen wars. And if you read the various Umarovs and Caucasus centers, then what are your losses? A? Well, according to their news, what are your losses? 100 thousand or 120 thousand irrevocable? And we don’t believe this. Although we don’t fully believe the official data from the Russian Federation. It is likely that not 10 thousand, but within 15 - 20 thousand. And you apply the lies of the Caucasus centers in relation to “Dill and dill”, and in a ratio of one to one. The Ukrov military and the relationships between them in combat conditions are no better and no worse than similar relationships between the Russian military in battle. If you write that in extremely difficult battle conditions they sprinkled their own dill in craters, then in similar situations Russian soldiers in Chechnya did the same with their own.
      1. +3
        23 November 2014 06: 44
        (If you write that in extremely difficult battle conditions they sprinkled dill on their own in craters, then in similar situations Russian soldiers in Chechnya did the same with their own.)
        svelto TR. Give facts about Chechnya. The Russians took their dead after the battles. In Afghanistan, a village was demolished for three dead soldiers, but the bodies of the children were always taken away. I saw it through the eyes of a simple soldier.
    2. +1
      23 November 2014 09: 36
      She smiled: “The Ukrainian commanders, so as not to take them to the hospital, sprinkled them in shell craters or threw them mixed with corpses into a damaged armored personnel carrier, sprinkled them while still alive with gunpowder and burned them like in a crematorium.” - Under the cover of darkness, Ukrainian commanders gather in groups of 3-5 people and, unnoticed by their l/s, cremate the seriously wounded... They gather them on the battlefield, drag them into armored personnel carriers... They sprinkle them with gunpowder specially brought with them and set them on fire... And they end this funeral feast by eating those who disagree...))) At least think before you write.
    3. 0
      24 November 2014 01: 11
      Quote: Balu
      Under Yanuca, gold and foreign exchange reserves grew, before his flight there was more than 22 billion gold left, a month ago it was 13 billion, a week ago it suddenly turned out to be 10 times less.

      You don’t have to read your comment further... I recently posted information on gold and foreign currency reserves with statistics for 2 years...
      This is open information not even from the NBU but from the IMF.
      find it and look again
      Quote: Balu
      What social guarantees does the Kiev junta provide at the moment?

      Well, benefits are paid. I’ll go personally as soon as I receive it and I’ll sign off immediately (child benefit)
  54. Tribuns
    +5
    22 November 2014 22: 46
    Our response to Andrey Klimenko in the words of Walesa

    When you deign to publish in the Russian media, as a response to your message you will receive a repetition of the phrase of the leader of Solidarity, the Pole Lech Walesa, which was suitable for overthrowing President Jaruzelski: “The worse, the better!”... And what else are we can we wish the Kyiv regime, whose punitive forces are destroying our Russian-speaking brothers in the Donbass? I will repeat once again for Ukraine: “The worse, the better!”
    1. 0
      23 November 2014 10: 09
      Quote: TribunS
      repetition of the phrase of the leader of Solidarity, the Pole Lech Walesa... “The worse, the better!”
      This is not his phrase. The loader only repeated words that can be found in Mao’s quotation book, and in the works of Lenin, and in Dostoevsky’s novel “The Humiliated and Insulted” (1861).
  55. +5
    22 November 2014 22: 51
    I read it, wanted to object point by point, but then I realized there was no point. It's like throwing pearls before swine. Nonsense, nonsense and more nonsense. What fleet of great ukrov? What is he talking about? Or maybe he’s afraid to go to Donbass, that’s why he’s screaming for them to quickly give him boats, well, at least some of them. Because in Donbass this year it is very harmful to health. .
    1. +1
      22 November 2014 23: 52
      The fact is that there are too many admirals, and there are not enough personnel, this is the cry of the soul of this “officer”, and how will he be enough if there are no ships? The very fact that this issue is being raised at this time is ridiculous! They are really starting to understand which fleet is the admiral?
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  56. +4
    22 November 2014 22: 53
    “Ukraine was, is and will be a maritime power, said President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko” RJU!!! laughing
    1. +2
      22 November 2014 23: 35
      I laughed out loud too. They can’t pay for the stolen gas, they tried to cheat the blacks, only they paid for three out of 4 barges, and even sawed them off. There are the great, powerful, scary Ukrainians. Whahahahaha.
  57. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 53
    Some kind of set of words... Apparently, the author got really high.
    1. +1
      22 November 2014 23: 35
      They are mixing something wrong in the vodka.
  58. +3
    22 November 2014 22: 54
    An article in the topic.
    For others to be discouraged.
    And for ours in Crimea - for fun.

    One thing is unfortunate.
    If a Ukrainian Moral Officer wrote this, then why does he have no education at all?
    Why the hell does Ukraine need old NATO tubs? Scare Putin?

    Stupidity.
    Defending Ukraine is even greater stupidity. This is a futile and unhealthy thing...
  59. +6
    22 November 2014 22: 55
    Quote: Ramzaj99
    I read and read, nifiga did not understand, some mixture of hysteria, delirium, cries of cheers and chef all disappeared. In other words, today's usual Ukrainian rhetoric.


    Gee! It looks like the cry of the commander of the Kriegsmarine of the 3rd Reich, Erich Reine, to Uncle Adolf: My Fuhrer, everything was lost, but we cried with pride, running away from the Russians. True, the scale is 1:10000.
  60. ZKB
    +5
    22 November 2014 23: 09
    I watched a program here, where Yaitsenyukh suggests that Ukrainians use some kind of reed to heat themselves.... maybe they’ll start a fleet of papyrus??? they will put on it a modern high-precision weapon in the form of a bone harpoon and, driven by the patriotic strength of the Ukrainian sailors (the oar is also the latest development), under the whip of the next Nazi they will bring terror to the Black Sea coast???? Although they don’t care about the Black Sea, they will dig up their own, a new one, yellow and blue
    1. +1
      22 November 2014 23: 36
      Piglet has a boat manufacturing factory. If only he could build a flotilla with his money.
  61. +2
    22 November 2014 23: 17
    Our friends and allies - the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands - have hundreds of not new, but quite combat-ready ships in conservation, and for them this means “in good technical condition.”
    There is a saying: if you want to ruin a medium-sized country, give it a cruiser. Or something like that. Maybe Russia can give Ukraine some kind of large ship and let it be maintained if they so want to have their own fleet.
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  63. +5
    22 November 2014 23: 32
    Quote: tank64rus
    Orchestra farewell to Slavyanka. What the hell are they officers?

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    2. +1
      22 November 2014 23: 45
      [quote=gozmosZh][quote=tank64rus]Orchestra farewell to Slavyanka. What the hell are they officers? [/quote]
      Nice, put it on topic.
  64. +3
    22 November 2014 23: 46
    They are promoting the “heroes” - they are afraid to even say that they could not have allowed the sailors and fuel oil cadets to leave peacefully... But they did. But because they are not harmful, but polite.
    And the gay European slaves didn’t even say thank you. Well, it is not necessary. Fair wind to Svidomo dupa.
  65. +1
    23 November 2014 00: 06
    Oh, but Ukraine is not a sea power, not a sea power! And... that's enough! As Raskolnikov said.
    1. +1
      23 November 2014 00: 10
      Quote: svelto
      Oh, but Ukraine is not a sea power, not a sea power! And... that's enough! As Raskolnikov said.

      Are you joking? But what about the “submarine in the steppes of Ukraine”. laughing
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  68. +1
    23 November 2014 00: 26
    Ukraine was an all-Union health resort and granary and a maritime power, but with RUSSIA. And without RUSSIA
    so-so, the same thing in the hole
  69. +4
    23 November 2014 00: 33
    Someone was clearly having fun with the topic for this forum))) Here factories are being sawed in absentia all over Ukraine, and the author urgently needs a fleet in the size of a mullion of ships. This is one of the most people I respect from the Ukrainian fleet; it was the crew of the minesweeper Cherkassy who put up at least some resistance (they sailed along Donuzlav while the diesel was still there and returned to the port after boarding under their own flag), although this was only mainly reported by the media in Ukro. And in the case of such a command as in Ukraine, the fleet was clearly contraindicated for all 23 years, because even after 31 years I have little idea of ​​naf it is needed if you live in peace and do not look for enemies, and especially not twist the wind for your neighbors to sign a collective defense agreement and ensure supplies and infrastructure would be easier, but that would be if there were a normal state...
    I am convinced in my theory that if there are 2 ways to do something and you don’t know which of them is through ... offer Ukraine both and it will unmistakably choose the one through ... ..pu.
    It may not be very patriotic, but it’s true. Still, this attitude of mine is better than the cries of a person about a new Maidan when he himself suffers from the Maidan figures, as I understand it, he wants everyone to quickly become like him, no housing, no work, and whoever survives may... and a quilted jacket for the hike.
  70. +1
    23 November 2014 00: 38
    The author made the wrong site, that's obvious. In general, I would like to look him in the eye - does he really sincerely believe in all this nonsense that he writes? or works out 30 pieces of silver? I think it's more like the second one...
  71. IgorM
    +4
    23 November 2014 00: 53
    You can, of course, make fun of crests for a long time, but what they have today is our yesterday and is not news. Our fleet went through a similar thing, today we have become better, new ships began to appear, existing ones began to be modernized, what will happen to us and the crests tomorrow is unclear.
    And about the boys cadets, Ukraine is their homeland, different people come to power, but the homeland remains, in their situation any decent young man, from any country, who chose his future service to the Fatherland, would do the same.
    Poroshenko and other Maidan miscarriages, after the transition period and sobering up from the idealism of street revolutions, will leave the stage, if the situation develops favorably for Ukraine, if their current leadership begins to be friends with their heads, then any next sensible Ukrainian president and government will certainly build and revive the fleet, I think the basis of their Navy will be corvettes with a displacement of 1000-2000 tons, about 3-5 units, and the rest and the most numerous are patrol/anti-submarine and missile boats, minesweepers with a tonnage of less and about 500 tons. In theory, they have enough money for this. But as always there is one BUT and the author does not take it into account.
    I don’t think that they are sitting on the Ukrainian General Staff, and the ground generals criticized by the author of the article cannot help but understand the following, despite our media reports about intentions to build a tunnel to Crimea, or Russian Railways’ plans to build a railway bypassing the Lugansk region, etc. and so on. The signals of our leadership were not heard by Kiev, Brussels and Washington before all the events in Crimea and in the East, deafness was punished, slightly, but judging by what is happening now, the listed comrades, playing with sanctions, continue to remain deaf, and as a result, the situation in the East does not change for the better. By not recognizing the DPR and LPR, on the one hand we left the door open, on the other hand we clearly show that we do not intend to recognize them within the existing “borders”. Ukrainian generals cannot help but understand that Crimea is connected to the mainland by only one umbilical cord, the Kerch crossing, and winter is upon us and there is no communication by land. This means that the militia and our “apostates” have no choice but to implement the scenario that everyone understands and has long been discussed, occupying the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions and moving on all the way to Transnistria. And in this case, as you understand, Ukraine is actually deprived of access to the sea. So, when considering this scenario, the Ukrainian land generals are quite right and the author should not get emotional about the fact that the generals are not currently betting on the fleet and are not asking for funds for its restoration either from the budget or as foreign assistance. In such a scenario, I think they are more concerned about the state of the ground forces and the possible future borders of Ukraine on land, and not the Navy, whose ships will become the next prize, let’s say the militia :)
    1. +1
      24 November 2014 01: 17
      Quote: IgorM
      Ukrainian generals cannot help but understand that Crimea is connected to the mainland by only one umbilical cord, the Kerch crossing, and winter is upon us and there is no communication by land. This means that the militia and our “apostates” have no choice but to implement the scenario that everyone understands and has long been discussed, occupying the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions and moving on all the way to Transnistria. And in this case, as you understand, Ukraine is actually deprived of access to the sea.

      Ukraine will not lose this since the ideas of the militia collapsed in the SE.
      The only thing the Navy will require is food and all the money will be spent on artillery and the army. This is not the time for the fleet...
      the “land corridor” scenario is quite dangerous. Under the guise of a militia, they simply want to solve the problem of supplying Crimea.
      No one will surrender Mariupol, Kherson, Nikolaev, much less Odessa. This is tantamount to capitulation. And the residents of these cities have long played enough with politics and the Russian Spring. Ukraine outplayed the Russian Federation in the information field with the help of the Russian Federation itself (Crimea) in the minds of the residents of the SE.
  72. +1
    23 November 2014 01: 24
    We still need to return something to the ukrovoyaks. Just like the first time, we need to finish it with the help of a crowbar, a sledgehammer and some kind of mother.
  73. +2
    23 November 2014 02: 59
    "needed like air for defense against Russian attack"


    No, well, we're sick of it. After all, what about attacking them? Let them calm down.
  74. +4
    23 November 2014 03: 04
    Quote: N7 Wanderer
    I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

    “You need to know and study the enemy” (not literally, but to the point).
    And I can advise the “Banderlog” that instead of blowing his nose, let him gather a team of like-minded banderlogs and engage in useful work with them - collecting car tires. By the way, if less of them were burned, now there would be enough material for an entire fleet of ships.
  75. Leonidych
    +2
    23 November 2014 03: 38
    and once again let’s drink to the anniversary of the Maidan without worrying.....
  76. +3
    23 November 2014 03: 42
    The Azov naval flotilla was especially pleasing. Taking into account the fact that Crimea Gggggggyyyy....
  77. +1
    23 November 2014 03: 57
    So what is this, Bandera’s website?
  78. 0
    23 November 2014 04: 18
    Instead of criticizing the author, it would be better to ask our sailors what it was like for them to leave Crimea in 91-93, then they would understand the meaning of the article. Or, in your opinion, in the 90s, our people were also “hysterical and whining”? But for me, both then and now, people were sold and betrayed. And you, sofa people, can only play around...
  79. +4
    23 November 2014 04: 38
    The author of the article has not yet fully understood that Ukraine and Ukrainians are a CHEAP CONSUMABLE for the West in its confrontation with Russia. But they won’t give modern weapons just like that, even for leasing, they (weapons) cost money, unlike the lives of Ukrainians (well, if you don’t count the dismantling of them for donor organs). Moreover, one of the tasks facing the West is a significant reduction in the “excess” (according to the West) population of Ukraine. And this task, quite successfully, is solved with songs and dances by the “new Ukrainian-Europeans” themselves.
  80. +2
    23 November 2014 05: 07
    HERE! A typical example of ingenuity! Hysteria, tears, snot, you need a lot of pennies - everyone should! And it’s natural that the fault lies with those who are cowardly and the dill, on the contrary, are heroes through and through! "A submarine in the steppes of used Ukraine!" (c). Another typical detail is missing - the account number to which money must be transferred for implementation... What dill is a master at is orphan chants. But! They have more resources! Why is the concept of building a rowing and sailing fleet not being considered? On such craft, the heroic relict dill swam (not walked) on the sea they dug with their own hands, and even conquered half the world. Who was Columbus? Yes Mykola Kolubenko! He simply argued with the then hetman and fled to Spain, where he taught navigation and the discovery of new lands to the inept Spaniards. And Baron Munchausen somehow looks a lot like dill with his fables.
  81. +2
    23 November 2014 05: 25
    this is the beginning of the insight of the outskirts and the answer to how the country is being made into small and pliable colonies without the right to vote - which now no one hears, and in 5 years will not remember as Yugoslavia. Ukrainians, you want this yourself
  82. +1
    23 November 2014 05: 27
    They're parasites, they can't even think of working on their own.
  83. +1
    23 November 2014 05: 52
    Naval friends... You have to think of something like that. The delirium of a gray gelding.
  84. +3
    23 November 2014 05: 52
    Quote: N7 Wanderer
    I did not understand-- what the hell is typing a banderlog tantrum here?

    Oh, why will he bother us? Cool article. My relative also fled, only from Odessa to Crimea, back in March, I couldn’t be happier. I’ve already gotten an apartment, at least a tiny one, but it’s my own. In general, I think that such things should be posted on VO. We here are so seasoned (not sarcasm) and patriotic that we can beat any banderlog. And about the fleet... dill needs to think about the eternal and not about the revival of the fleet. However, he was stupid: “rebirth is when something was, and it is reborn, but this does not apply to Ukrainians.” Although Hare knows them, maybe they need a large fleet to drown themselves at once?
  85. Vyacheslav Ioda
    +1
    23 November 2014 06: 09
    I would like to write to the author. Will they allow me to publish my opinion in one of the central Ukrainian “military” publications on the topic of who you still need to call the occupiers and where the real threat comes from? The question is rhetorical. Therefore, think about it, would your “aggressor” allow you to share what you have piled up here? For good measure, you should look for seconds, and not rent ships from NATO... I have the honor.
  86. +2
    23 November 2014 06: 22
    Yeah. Poor, unhappy people, everyone is against them. At first I didn’t understand who wrote the article. I think that in the current realities, a fleet in ruins is, as it were, not needed at all. The Turks don’t interfere with them; they themselves are happy with the Amers. So seven ships for the eyes.
  87. viruvalge412ee
    +1
    23 November 2014 06: 45
    What a beauty! Now I’m going to go experiment with drowning lard in water. Drowning or not.
    We need to secretly unite the Ukrainian Navy of Estonian lats and litas and create an alliance against ourselves “LITAESTHOH”, giving them 1 ship with the inscription on board “nuclear submarine (catamaran type of the 70s) with 32 savage GRU missiles.” Donate also 3 boards of the Salak type for parking (the rest, including the pier, will be purchased on their own or begged from mattresses) with 14 tires for the entire ally (there is no need to REPORT about the influence of titanium on parking - this is a secret). Appoint the red dog as the commander-in-chief of the united ALLIANCE-LITAESTHOKH. The headquarters of the alliance should be located in the port of LOXA (Estonia). There is a commander-in-chief of the Navy there.
    Latvia will be indignant. Latvia is a naval power. Latvia cannot...
    Poland will rebel - Poland is building ships - Valenza is there
    crests will be indignant - the ships were taken away there
    Georgia will be indignant - there are a lot of submarines there
    Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan will also be outraged and will join the alliance.
    EVERYTHING WILL BE SETTLED!
    NFGTHTXF VS EKTNBV D RJCVJC GJGBNM C K.,BVSVB LHEPMZVB
  88. Quantum
    0
    23 November 2014 06: 56
    Quote: Sharky
    I would even say that a true patriot of the outskirts who made the right choice in favor of the Navy now thinks that it was necessary to stay in Crimea. Awareness came that he was cheated on a large scale, left behind with nothing! Now elbows bite and hysteria! After all, there’s no need to ask ... That's why everything is mixed up in the article: Putin, the GRU, and the Russians with a crowbar and a sledgehammer! Eh, dill mentality ...

    Normal officers took the oath of the Russian Federation, and the mentally wretched ones live in cubicles under the constant howl of Oksan (like, what did you think, Gritsko).
  89. +1
    23 November 2014 07: 20
    RUSSIA was, is and will be a maritime power. It is not realistic to dream of a UKRAINE NAVY. Let them acquire fishing vessels and feed the population.
  90. Quantum
    +1
    23 November 2014 07: 41
    Please note, gentlemen! There is a plaintive howl: give us American dishes!
    Look, you fools! Use your brains, Mr. Klimenko! If Crimea had remained Ukrainian, then the American fleet would have been stationed there, and Ukrainian sailors
    They would only trust one boat to cross Balaklava Bay!
    Well, you were duped by your guys with big stars and weather-beaten
    lion faces. They probably made the right decision and live in apartments, and you, like
    garbage is only in the cockpits! So, load your pistol with one cartridge and put it on the stern of your craft!
  91. +1
    23 November 2014 07: 44
    It would be difficult to imagine another outcome for the Ukrainian fleet when such military commanders are at the helm. Remember our Serdyukov, what came of it?
  92. 0
    23 November 2014 08: 43
    If it’s not a secret where Ukraine gained fame in naval battles or is it a great secret. I know USHAKOV NAKHIMOV and many great navigators who gained fame not only for themselves, but also for the glory of their fatherland. Maybe someone will tell you about at least one naval feat of <our brothers.>
    1. 0
      23 November 2014 09: 00
      Quote: Darwin
      Maybe someone will tell you about at least one naval feat of <our brothers.>

      Well, well, well, what about the shooting of a fishing boat with refugees on its way to Crimea? For them this is a feat.
    2. 0
      23 November 2014 12: 52
      But what about a few years ago, an Israeli passenger plane was shot down by naval air defense...
  93. +1
    23 November 2014 09: 28
    stop To the author.....remember also the founding date of the city of Sevastopol, 1783 Yes and forget about your fleet forever.... Yes Because there was NO Ukrainian fleet, there is NO now and there never will be!!! ....your dill-American government has tried very hard for this! lol
  94. 0
    23 November 2014 10: 57
    it's all from natural dill envy and greed...
  95. 0
    23 November 2014 11: 12
    I would like to remind our Ukrainian comrade that the assistance provided to Great Britain by the United States was not at all neighborly and not free. In exchange for a squadron of obsolete American destroyers, the United States demanded a number of British colonies in the Caribbean. America never does anything for nothing. He makes money from the death and grief of others. If she doesn’t do anything for England for free, then think about what kind of payment she will demand from Ukraine.
  96. GUS
    0
    23 November 2014 11: 14
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko approved the proposal to transform the Ukrainian Naval Forces into a flotilla, transfer the command of the Navy from Odessa to Nikolaev and subordinate it to the Southern Operational Command.

    This is stated in the article by Andrey Klimenko, editor-in-chief of the specialized publication BSNews. “Some “little green men”—in this case, land generals—put a memo on the commander-in-chief’s desk. She's approved. All that remains is to prepare a directive from the General Staff. According to it, the Ukrainian Navy, one of the branches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will be transformed into ... a flotilla and will be subordinated not to the General Staff, but to the Southern Operational Command (which almost does not exist yet),” the author wrote.

    According to Klimenko, the command of the Navy will be transferred from Odessa, where it has been located since April after redeployment from Crimea, to Nikolaev. “The formal reason for the redeployment of the remnants of the fleet to Nikolaev is the return to Odessa to the buildings where the structures of the Navy, the Southern Operational Command of the Ground Forces (the former Odessa Military District) are located.

    But something tells me that an informal occasion is completely different. Today, Ukrainian Navy facilities in Odessa occupy hectares that are too tasty for development - the city center, the seashore, military camps,” the author notes. According to the publication, the Ukrainian Navy currently has only 7 warships of various types, excluding auxiliary vessels.

    http://ukraina.ru/news/20141122/1011231738.html

    That's it.
    1. +1
      24 November 2014 01: 20
      Quote: GUS
      Ukrainian Navy facilities in Odessa - city center, seashore, military camps"

      from the Sea Terminal to the Sugar Factory are abandoned and empty... They can easily be turned into any objects (the railway line is nearby - a transport route for trucks too) of infrastructure. Another thing is that the fleet is at the Seaport. There are some nuances, but there is enough space (there was room for a flotilla)
      in general, no one will sell the properties anymore (they could have done it earlier) but there is enough space.
      Another thing is that they are overloading Odessa... the impression is that it’s up to us to take the rap for the whole of Crimea..
  97. 0
    23 November 2014 12: 46
    And why minus such clowns? The eccentric was amused, especially by “Zaporozhye” and the mentality of the Russian Federation laughing
    Soon the Ukrainian AUG will reach the Donbass)))
  98. 0
    23 November 2014 12: 54
    I don’t understand, in the photo, Potroshenko is throwing out the flag? So as not to embarrass himself?
  99. 0
    23 November 2014 13: 24
    Quote: Reinhard
    Some kind of verbal diarrhea! What did the author want in general?

    ...so that the damned will take pity and give money...
  100. 0
    23 November 2014 13: 42
    Flagship of the Ukrainian Navy. In my opinion, it’s already on the Southern Bug.

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