The war between Ukraine and Russia: is it possible?

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Once again, a rather classical situation develops in relations between Russia and Ukraine, when the East opposes the West. Ukraine, which had been in the shadow of neighboring Russia for a long time, should sign the Association Agreement, a document that is significant for the Ukrainian state, at the Vilnius summit in a few months. Of course, the signing itself is not a guarantee that Ukraine will become a full member of the European Union. At the same time, this document guarantees the reshaping of European borders, and the withdrawal of Ukraine to the west.

It should be remembered that, starting from 2010, Russia has been creating its own community - the Eurasian Customs Union, in which the participation of the former Soviet republics - Kazakhstan, Belarus, is expected. At the same time, the Russian government strongly recommends Ukraine to join it. The customs union is supposed to be created as a kind of diplomatic and economic counterweight to Brussels. But since there are large disparities between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow. That is why Hillary Clinton, the former Secretary of State of the United States of America, saw in the creation of the Eurasian Union the attempts of the Kremlin to return the post-Soviet territories, called this community a step towards re-Sovietization of the region.

Ukraine, which has many years of history bilateral projects with Russia, has little desire to join this alliance, which is understandable. The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using for this the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities want to implement their intentions in the near future, in November of this year, by signing an agreement with the EU. At the same time, Moscow does not leave attempts to convince Ukraine that in fact the place of the country is in the East.

Hence the tightening of customs procedures. Moreover, representatives of the Russian government without reserve say that such events are caused by the desire of Ukraine to Europe. So, another 18 of August of this year, said Sergei Glazyev, adviser to the head of the Russian state on the development of the Customs Union. The fact that such threats are not empty words is evidenced by the use of punitive trade sanctions. The first blow was delivered to the products of the Ukrainian confectionery corporation Roshen, which manufactures chocolates in a large assortment. Despite the fact that this company for many years, starting with 1996, has been supplying sweet products to Russia, as well as the fact that Russian experts have repeatedly inspected it, the management of Roshen was informed that for supplies of Ukrainian products in Russia imposed a ban. The reason was called banal - improper processing of raw materials in the production. Soon, Belarus and Kazakhstan joined this ban. Such sanctions caused the Ukrainian corporation, which is one of the largest employing companies in Ukraine, to lose more than 200 million dollars.

It should be recalled that this is not the first complaint against the Ukrainian manufacturer. And there is nothing surprising here, because the head of the corporation, Petro Poroshenko, being the head of the Ukrainian foreign affairs agency, pursued a frankly pro-Western policy.

Shortly after the ban on the import of Ukrainian chocolates, Belarus banned the import of Inkerman wines from its factory, which is about 35 percent of the total Ukrainian wine imports. Because of this ban, the plant may suffer serious losses. The Belarusian government explained such sanctions by the fact that this product does not correspond to “organoleptic indicators”, that is, this wine does not have sufficient taste. It is noteworthy that these bans became clearer and clearer after Moscow declared the reality of Ukraine’s economic dependence on Russia, and that Moscow was ready to fully use this dependence to achieve its own goals.

Economic dependence, above all, is noticeable in the energy industry. Despite the fact that the former Ukrainian government looked towards the West and was more liberal, at the time Yanukovych came to power, Ukraine depended on Russia to the maximum. After negotiations on the supply of Russian gas to the Ukrainian territory, the Ukrainian authorities agreed on deliveries at prices far exceeding those in Europe, and volumes that largely exceeded the required ones. As a result, at the beginning of 2013, Kiev refused to buy unwanted gas, for which he received a fine of 7 billions of dollars. It is quite obvious that such leaps in bilateral relations between Ukraine and Russia forced Yanukovich to look for new sources of economic growth. So, at the beginning of this year, a ten-billion contract for shale gas production was signed between Ukraine and Royal Dutch Shell.

New attempts to convince the Ukrainian government made the Russian head of state V. Putin during his visit to Ukraine in late July. Then a very cool protocol meeting and face to face talks took place between the two presidents, after which the heads of state did not even shake hands. At the same time, they could not say anything new to the journalists. Thus, it is quite obvious that Putin did not succeed in dissuading the Ukrainian political elite from European integration, therefore Ukraine should prepare for new gas, trade, church and political wars. We can not exclude the visa regime between the states.

According to the statement of the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Leonid Kozhara, the Ukrainian state has fulfilled the plan of preparing for the signing of the Agreement with the EU at 95 percent. According to him, the signing of this document completely excludes integration with the TS. In addition, Kozhara stressed that the European integration at this time is a strategic reference point of Ukraine and the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union will undoubtedly create new opportunities for bringing the Ukrainian market to European standards.

The country, having associations with the European Union and the Free Trade Zone, will not be able to participate in the work of other unions. Therefore, it is likely that after the Vilnius summit, the most large-scale gas conflict will break out between Kiev and Moscow. Not only disputes over the volumes of Russian gas pumped into Ukrainian storage facilities, but also the refusal to extend the payment period of the $ 2 billion loan from Gazprombank to Naftogaz Ukraine, testify that preparation for it is in full swing.

In addition, the fact that almost immediately after Putin’s visit to Ukraine, A. Kwasniewski and the former head of the European Parliament, P. Cox, who monitor the situation of Ukraine's commitments to the European Union.

In this situation, it is also necessary to understand that the gas conflict will certainly also be political and ecclesiastical. And the escalation of the conflict is certainly hello to the introduction of a visa regime between the two states.

The Ukrainian president also adds fuel to the fire, who in early September as part of a meeting with representatives of the Party of Regions, said that the Russian partners had violated a number of agreements, as well as the fact that the association with the European Union was Kiev’s deliberate choice. The violation of the obligations undertaken by Russia, he said, is not just an insult to the Ukrainian head of state, but to the country as a whole. In particular, the point is that within the framework of the Kharkiv agreements, the Russian side promised that if agreements were reached, the gas price formula for Ukraine would change. Later, the Russians did not keep their word. Yanukovych stressed that there is no respectful and partnership relationship of Russia to Ukraine, so the decision of the Ukrainian government in favor of the European vector has no alternatives.

The Ukrainian president also said that at present the trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia is 62 billion. If the Kremlin does not abandon its plan of pressure on Ukraine, the volume of trade can be halved. That is why, Yanukovych is sure, one of the main requirements of Ukraine for signing an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trading activity with the Russians.

At the same time, some experts do not exclude the possibility that the situation between Ukraine and Russia can become so heated that such an armed conflict is not excluded. However, some of them express very strange and unexpected considerations. So, in particular, one of the Ukrainian TV presenters, Alexey Arestovich, who some time ago served in the General Directorate of Intelligence, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. The presenter explained this statement by saying that the Russian army is part of the Soviet, and at present it is not very efficient. Psychological condition is no better. The real military who served in Chechnya have long been dispersed. Some of them are already dead. In addition, Arestovich noted, the Russian government carried out a not very successful military reform.

“She (the Russian army) - part of the Soviet, today is not very combat ready. The psychological state of the army is bad. All the generals who made a career in the war in Chechnya - Rokhlin, Kazantsev, Troshev, Lebed - are dead. GRU dispersed. This means that the army has gone blind and deaf. Crossed unsuccessfully Aviation The Ground Forces and the Air Force made many other unsuccessful decisions, ”Arestovich describes the state of the Russian armed forces.


The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very efficient. Of course, she is chronically short of funding. At the same time, the Ukrainian armed forces have a number of strong advantages, in particular, we are talking about the joint command of special operations, which exists only in a few NATO countries. In addition, there are many quite interesting and promising developments.

The Ukrainian army, on the contrary, seems to him to be combat-ready. “She is exhausted and chronically underfunded. But she has strengths. For example, the combined command of special operations. Only six NATO countries have this. There are interesting and promising developments. Ukraine performed well in Iraq. And we do not forget that seven Russian planes were destroyed over Georgia in five days. Ours did not shoot down, but they helped the Georgians set up an air defense system, ”he notes.


Yes, and speaking quite frankly, the TV presenter believes, it’s not the one who is trained well, who is fighting well, but the one who has better motivation. Therefore, Ukraine, in the case of Russian military aggression, will have a significant advantage. After all, Russia will be able to go to a neighboring country with an army of about 40 thousands of people, and this will certainly affect the situation in the Caucasus and the Volga. In addition, we should not forget about China, which is friendly with Russia only externally.

Ukraine, he is sure, to fight back, a very small army will suffice: “Thousands of guys will be enough. They don’t need to crawl under Tanks. Let them not even enter into big battles, but destroy communications, communication lines, and attack small groups of invaders. And those 40 thousand will have tremendous problems. And there are a thousand in Ukraine. ”


Ukraine, in order to defend itself, will require no more than a thousand soldiers. Moreover, all that is required of them is to destroy the paths of communications, communications, and to attack small groups of the enemy.

It is commendable, of course, that there are people in Ukraine who are so confident in the military power of their army, but one should not forget that the same military budget (and, therefore, equipment with armament and military equipment) in Russia is ten times higher than the Ukrainian one. On the other hand, in a situation where relations between the two states are already heated, such statements deserve condemnation at best. It is clear that, if necessary, this same Arestovich will not participate in any conflict, but will incite hatred and ethnic strife from the studio. And for the like and need to be held accountable ...

Materials used:
http://polemika.com.ua/news-126160.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2013/07/29/1157665.html
http://argumentua.com/reportazh/osen-2013-novaya-gazovaya-torgovaya-tserkovnaya-voina-i-vozmozhno-i-vizovyi-rezhim-s-rossi
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  1. MG42
    +3
    13 September 2013 22: 34
    Today Yanukovych confirmed his course towards the EU >>

    "Recently, we, together with our partners from the European Union, have come to the conclusion that Ukraine has reached those criteria that correspond to the Association Agreement, which is being prepared for signing in November this year in Vilnius", - he said.


    http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/09/13/6997910/
    1. MG42
      +5
      13 September 2013 22: 58
      Is this a minus for me or for Yanukovych? I would give Yanukovych a minus myself, but he’s not on the forum.. lol
  2. brewhouse
    +2
    13 September 2013 23: 32
    Ukraine will need no more than a thousand soldiers to defend itself. Moreover, all that is required of them is to destroy the routes of messages, communications


    Yes, everything there is already destroyed. I went to Crimea, and from Kirovograd to Nikolaev there was nothing wrong with it. Ukrainian roads do not need passenger cars, but the BTR-80 as a means of transportation.
    1. Misantrop
      +4
      13 September 2013 23: 40
      Quote: Brewhouse
      I went to Crimea, and from Kirovograd to Nikolaev there was nothing wrong with it.
      Those 1000 guys have already started fighting wassat laughing while there are no enemies, they are training on tourists
    2. MG42
      +2
      14 September 2013 01: 29
      Quote: Brewhouse
      . I went to Crimea, and from Kirovograd to Nikolaev there was nothing wrong with it. Ukrainian roads do not need passenger cars, but the BTR-80 as a means of transportation.

      ..Well, don’t tell me, depending on which road you take, only 2 weeks ago you drove the Moscow-Simferopol highway, in any case, the section to Melitopol you can fly at full speed, 150 km/h, maybe more even under 200 if the car allows it, in Melitopol there Of course it’s bad, then we go in the direction of Feodosia and all the way to the South Coast is also a flat road, but there you can walk for about 110-120 km, and on the serpentine road it’s better not to get reckless because of the turns, although there are no potholes there, only sharp turns..
      But there is one bullshit that just such high-speed routes where there is, of course, a parallel alternative may soon become toll roads..
  3. +4
    14 September 2013 00: 46
    Good evening everyone!

    Dear forum members, what are you right?
    - “And my dad lent yours 10 rubles before your salary!”
    - “And mine won’t give them to yours”!

    Instead of looking at the fingers of our authorities and the oligarchs, we will squabble with each other.
    That’s why the directors (CIA/FSB/SBU) of all these “gas-chocolate wars” amuse themselves by looking at our brotherly quarrel. fool
  4. +2
    14 September 2013 01: 17
    Editors and moderators VO---please ban these publications based on the rules About inciting ethnic hatred...is it really so difficult to block this author who has seen enough of REN TV

    everything is from there.
    and let's offer our options.
    And these are just flowers - he constantly gives us these berries all the time. Everyone has already pulled out their old stories and arguments for and against and partially began to discuss the topic seriously, instead of worthy ignoring even the thought of SUCH!
    We need to stop with articles like this...
    Why gloomy topics about my country are elected to VO is quite understandable, it is in trend. But don’t go too far by skipping openly provocative articles. The deterioration in communication between Russians and Ukrainians is obvious. In the topic about silent needles, for example, a Ukrainian for an ordinary comment that has nothing to do with bad things about Russia was silenced and remembered all the bad things about Ukraine... soon in general on topics for a comment with the Ukrainian flag, will persecution begin? belay
    And here it’s pure freedom....
    As far as I understand, the topic falls under the rules of the Site, the Criminal Code of Russia and Ukraine on interethnic hatred....
    Maybe it's time to ban publications by enemy provocateurs?
  5. +8
    14 September 2013 01: 33
    Meanwhile, the provocations were gaining momentum...
    I have been living in Ukraine for more than a quarter of a century, here I saw the collapse of the union and so on, etc. and so on. My head and my life experience tell me that everything ultimately depends on people. From our indifference and indifference, but essentially from upbringing, environment, parents, friends. I don’t really like Zhvanetsky, but he has one wonderful phrase: “We have such a wonderful people, but an absolutely disgusting population.” This is true. To be honest, neither I nor those I know in Ukraine will go to die on the barricades for “this government” - we have not seen anything good from it, just like from any blind force. Quite the contrary. Although this is still useless. Precisely through "z". Because there is no benefit. There is no point in this sacrifice. And this will continue until every normal person in his place does what he should do in good conscience, come what may. Until there is a critical mass of such people, nothing will change. The only question is how quickly, using our experience and knowledge, wisdom and understanding, we will come to this.
    It is simply stupid to engage in such provocations. This is beneficial to certain forces and this is understandable. Sooner or later you will still have to pay the bills.
    Truth is higher than any law, higher than truth is justice, higher than justice is only love. Your conscience is responsible for everything.
    1. Украинец
      -1
      14 September 2013 16: 19
      ....I teared up....Why so much sentiment?...
  6. +3
    14 September 2013 01: 43
    I’m so tired of reading how we fight with each other, we still have to live together and no one can influence this. This is impossible.. and the authors who post such an article are Ukrainian pin2dos. The author is a legal expert!
  7. +2
    14 September 2013 02: 06
    it’s a pity... there are only a few of these in Ukraine
  8. 0
    14 September 2013 10: 27
    FireFly SU
    ...And the fact that you with your own hands made enemies out of all your neighbors - so who is your doctor?

    No, it’s just all the “independent” after the collapse of the USSR, who raced to throw mud at Russia, and still blame Russia for all their miscalculations and failures in modern history over the past 20 years, it doesn’t give you “peace” at all, apparently in comparisons with your “successes”.
    1. jasper
      0
      16 September 2013 19: 33
      oaths m.o.ts.k...whether the bacon was eaten laughing
  9. Kowalsky
    +3
    14 September 2013 14: 52
    Another provocative material.
  10. Kowalsky
    +3
    14 September 2013 14: 55
    Quote: Cristall
    Soon, in general, on topics for a comment with the Ukrainian flag, will persecution begin?

    Believe me, I was recently told here that the flag is not like that...
  11. Украинец
    +1
    14 September 2013 16: 12
    Quote: xetai9977
    Well, here's another article on the "war between Ukraine and Russia". Someone is trying to pass off wishful thinking. Has the antagonism between the two countries really reached the point that only war can resolve it?

    Antagonism is naturally not between peoples... But between the leadership of countries, oligarchic groups, military generals... That's enough...
  12. Украинец
    -2
    14 September 2013 17: 09
    Russians should understand - Ukraine has long “broken away” from Russia... we need to come to terms with this... don’t get angry and don’t shake your fists... This is both de jure and de facto another country... ordinary Russian citizens should accept this as fact...that's all...But at the level of the Russian and Ukrainian leadership, not everything is so simple. Real problems are evident... Without Ukraine, Russia cannot be a geopolitical leader, cannot counteract the deployment of missile defense in Eastern Europe.. It is no secret that after the “rapprochement” with Europe, we should also expect a “rapprochement” in the military sphere.. entry to NATO...and hence the inevitable deployment of missile defense elements on the western borders of Russia... so to speak, “under our noses”... Another “stumbling block” is Crimea... Here, apparently, the leaderships of both countries will never find a compromise... After all, Putin “dumped” Yanukovych with the “Kharkov agreements”... the price of gas remained sky-high for Ukraine...as for an enemy, and not for a friend...Phan Yanukovych will never forgive such “things”...the Ukrainian opposition has already calculated the losses from such an agreement..and in general from the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea ...after all, for example, the lease of naval bases in Crimea to the same Americans will bring enormous “profits” to Ukraine... not only in money, but also in security... Therefore, we should expect in the near future the denunciation of the “Kharkov Pact”, accordingly, the Russian Black Sea Fleet should will leave Ukraine before 2017...I foresee malicious statements from forum users about the alleged fact that the Russian Black Sea Fleet will never leave, Ukraine supposedly does not have the ability to expel him, etc. etc. ...I’ll tell you frankly, Ukraine is quite capable of serious military operations...moreover, such operations have long been planned...with the support of NATO, of course...and the countries that are guarantors of Ukrainian integrity (after the signing of the Budapest Treaty on the voluntary surrender of nuclear weapons by Ukraine). .And the Russian Black Sea Fleet is weak, naturally the Ukrainian side will not allow it to be rearmed under any pretext...And in general, the Russian Black Sea Fleet faces “hard times”....long bureaucratic procedures for the import and export of cargo, crossing borders by personnel...etc. etc.
    1. +2
      14 September 2013 17: 55
      ...the powerful air defense of the peninsula, the basis of which is the S-300 and S-200 plus about 40 MIG-29, will not allow a “fly to fly by” without being fired upon...
      You, dear man, when was the last time you traveled around Crimea? If out of all the 160 combat aircraft remaining in Ukraine, at least 40 are still flying - that’s fantastic; in fact, even less. I'm proud of the country. There were actually 20 of them 1100 years ago, but that’s okay.
      As for the missile systems - when exactly did they undergo modernization? And what missiles are left in storage? Generals have been on yachts for a long time, and the army is building houses on privatized property. And our missile systems either hit civilian aircraft or hit houses.
      If the people do not feed their army, they will feed someone else’s, and NATO will not come to protect you, but to defend its interests in the region. So wipe away your drool from pseudo-pride - it looks disgusting.
      1. Украинец
        +1
        14 September 2013 19: 36
        ...Well, let’s say there are not 160 of these same aircraft “left”...one should distinguish between the concepts of “on combat duty” and “storage category”...I see you probably never had anything to do with the military “business”...so, “nice man”...from “storage category No. 1” planes are quickly transferred to the DB state....it’s just that in “peacetime” it is not customary to “keep under arms” air divisions...especially since Ukraine is not with anyone is fighting... for now, in any case... and it’s not worth listening to the lamentations of politicians who have nothing to do with the army... of course, we are not talking about the former power of 1100 aircraft, but they are quite enough... believe me... It just so happened (by chance, or maybe...) that it is precisely those S-300 divisions that are deployed in Crimea that have been modernized... and not bad... in Ukraine, thank God, there is still some potential in missile technology and electronics...Yes, I almost forgot, quite recently the newest Pelican radar station...long-range detection...and you say...So, what would you "mate"? part" to tighten up a little for a start... There is something to be proud of for the country... there is... you seem to be from Ukraine... and such "moods" ...
        1. 0
          15 September 2013 19: 50
          Quote: Ukrainian
          ...Well, let’s say there are not 160 of these same aircraft “left”...one should distinguish between the concepts of “on combat duty” and “storage category”...I see you probably never had anything to do with the military “business”...so, “nice man”...from “storage category No. 1” planes are quickly transferred to the DB state....it’s just that in “peacetime” it is not customary to “keep under arms” air divisions...especially since Ukraine is not with anyone is fighting... for now, in any case... and it’s not worth listening to the lamentations of politicians who have nothing to do with the army... of course, we are not talking about the former power of 1100 aircraft, but they are quite enough... believe me... It just so happened (by chance, or maybe...) that it is precisely those S-300 divisions that are deployed in Crimea that have been modernized... and not bad... in Ukraine, thank God, there is still some potential in missile technology and electronics...Yes, I almost forgot, quite recently the newest Pelican radar station...long-range detection...and you say...So, what would you "mate"? part" to tighten up a little for a start... There is something to be proud of for the country... there is... you seem to be from Ukraine... and such "moods" ...

          I will not argue with you about terms that I know very well, including what “in service” and “in storage” or “on combat duty” means. As for the number of troops and their equipment, there is a booklet published annually by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - the White Book. So, as of 2012, the Ukrainian Air Force had 40600 personnel, 160 combat and 25 transport aircraft.
          Regarding the training of personnel, you can learn from the same place. Even the figures given will make those who can read between the lines laugh.
          As for the preserved potential, it was preserved not because of, but in spite of.
          Well, regarding geopolitical interests, you very successfully remained silent. As for pride, I have an understanding of where I live and what the country is doing, not my mood. You need to look at things realistically. It’s your “hat-kicking” that just requires tightening up the “materials”.
          1. Украинец
            0
            15 September 2013 21: 47
            ...It’s surprising that the “white book” has become a “desk book” for some people...I would like to ask, for whom was it written?...Even better, use Yushchenko’s report...many people like to quote it...there’s almost not 2 planes in the BG and 3 tanks... I advise you to read the generals of the Russian General Staff... many of them do not hide that you should not mess with Ukraine.....for now...at least...." When you if you’re strong, say you’re weak... when you’re weak, say you’re strong”... we learn materiel... And I, for example, prefer to use my own information... I have to communicate a lot with the military... I saw a lot with my own eyes ...
            1. +1
              15 September 2013 23: 33
              I am sincerely glad for your confidence, which is more like stubbornness. There are different books, but not everyone can read them. Hasty conclusions are always far from the truth, well, I think you were told about this in political classes. You again kindly avoided geopolitics. For this, I bow out because you need to listen to those who know, and talk to those who listen, and you just need to not disturb the unreasonable.
              1. Украинец
                0
                16 September 2013 01: 39
                and the same to you .... and to the same “depth” ...
    2. Borodko
      -3
      15 September 2013 10: 16
      Quote: Ukrainian
      Therefore, we should expect denunciation of the “Kharkov Pact” in the near future; accordingly, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have to leave Ukraine before 2017...

      Putin is waiting for this)
      Quote: Ukrainian
      And the Russian Black Sea Fleet is weak, naturally the Ukrainian side will not allow it to be rearmed under any pretext...

      Well, the mess will be transferred from the Caspian Sea and the northern fleet will be quite enough for a landing...
      Quote: Ukrainian
      Russia will not be able to send “help” in the form of the 58th Army (as was the case in Georgia...

      well, one 58 will not be enough, but exercises in the Far East showed that in a couple of days they will transfer more
      1. Украинец
        +1
        15 September 2013 15: 56
        You sincerely “amused me”... thank you... especially about the “northern fleet”... It’s good that you at least understand that the 58th will not be enough... Do you play chess?... It’s a pity... No respect to the enemy...and exaggerating “one’s capabilities” leads to a guaranteed loss...Well, firstly, the Russian army will not have any additional “days”...everything will start and end within a day, a maximum of a day...Blocking by the Americans bases from the sea, and "rapid fire" by the forces of the artillery brigade and the artillery group of the 36th coastal defense brigade... Artillery officers (yours, Russian ones) will tell you what it is if you wish... Everything has been prepared a long time ago... the targets are known...positions are tied...barracks, warehouses, headquarters, boxes...and most importantly - ships in anchorages and roads....within half an hour...and it doesn’t matter that this is their own territory...Who Have you seen the “fire raid” of the 152 mm artillery division, at least with binoculars?...Few of the “forum members” seem to be...and 7-8 divisions will be “working” here...It’s scary to imagine...
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  14. DJEIN8
    0
    14 September 2013 19: 20
    If someone wanted to disconnect from Russia, it was only because they flattered themselves with ILLUSORY hopes that HIS NATIVE government would treat ITS people fairly... and they would live better...
    But the MORAL people in ANY government are the SAME, as today I think EVERYONE is convinced...
    If people actually have positive changes in their countries, then the ONLY way to bring DECENT and not opportunistic people to power..
    Nothing else will change the state of affairs in any country...
  15. 0
    14 September 2013 19: 25
    To answer the question of the title of the article, of course there will be no war between fraternal peoples. And only in the event of a big war in Europe, 2/3 of the Ukrainian territory will be annexed to Russia, not through military efforts; they themselves will want to get away from inculcating the ideology of fagots.
    1. Украинец
      0
      14 September 2013 19: 44
      ...Have you been to Ukraine for a long time?...Do you know the mood? ...Personally..or from the Russian media?...
  16. DJEIN8
    0
    14 September 2013 19: 40
    Ukrainians and Russians, those of them who are normal, positive PERSONS, are convinced that they wish EACH OTHER ONLY GOOD AND PROSPERITY......
    Those who spread such articles pursue completely different goals, and all reasonable people, understanding this, should not succumb to provocation...
    We must appreciate all the good things that exist between us, and there is a lot of it......
  17. korben
    +1
    14 September 2013 20: 49
    Frankly provocative article! Throwing information and analytical collection of “popular” opinion. But this is inciting interethnic hatred. There is a prohibition clause in the site rules. Obviously, the rules do not apply to the chosen ones and “their own”. The chauvinistic mood of most commentators is alarming. Russians, Ukrainians - we are all exactly the same! Some were more fortunate in some ways, some less. These are all the little things in life. There is plenty to reproach each other with and plenty of facts! The main thing is that they are inciting us and trying to set us up for war with each other! Now this sounds funny. But! The message is not healthy! For what and for whom?! Think about it!
    1. Украинец
      0
      15 September 2013 16: 10
      You can, of course, pretend that everything is a “bunion”, there are no problems..." peace, friendship, chewing gum".... but we have already been through this... On the contrary, I believe that disclosing complex, even painful topics will help correctly assess the situation...and give those in power and “hot heads” a second thought...
  18. -2
    15 September 2013 18: 54
    28 Panfilovites = 300 Spartans = 1000 Ukrainians
    1. Украинец
      0
      15 September 2013 21: 37
      "28 Panfilov's men" is a fiction...ideological...everyone knows that this is a Soviet myth...
  19. HERMAJOR4IK
    0
    15 September 2013 20: 05
    all these promises to incite confrontation between not even two peoples, but one, separated in different states, are simply an outright provocation - the question is who is trying to pit us against each other? this is a snickering elite on both sides who have divided the union and its movable property; they are trying to incite the population of Ukraine and Russia against each other in order to divert the people’s attention from their well-fed faces and present themselves as patriots of these new shabby quasi-states that turned out after a perpetually drunken pepper got along with the same outcasts decided to cut the union into several feudal estates for themselves and their vassals_LONG LIVE THE NEW NATIONAL SOCIALIST REVOLUTION_DOWN WITH THE WORLD ELITOCRATIY_THROPAGE OF THE RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN RULING ELITE_ALL POWER TO THE ALL-RUSSIAN ZEMSKY SOBRAB AND THE ZEMSKY COUNCIL AM ON THE PLACES_SLAVA RUSI
    1. Украинец
      0
      15 September 2013 22: 04
      ....Who were you calling on?...more than 20 years have passed since the union began to stink and fell apart....And not everything was so simple....there were contradictions...problems too..this is great I’m glad that the “collapse” did not end with a civil war.... Moreover, the wheel of history does not spin backwards..." The snickering elite will have to be hanged independently... each independent state separately...
  20. 0
    15 September 2013 23: 08
    I read the article and .... I didn’t understand whether to laugh or grieve. But most of all I was pleased with the comments of individual citizens (from different countries, but according to the writing they received salary from the same organization). Discord over articles from/or Ukraine is most often not justified What about gas, what about the Russian fleet, and in principle almost everything is a lie and a provocation. Moreover, the authors can be not only from Ukraine, but also from Russia and other countries.
    For each individual point of Ukraine’s questions to Russia (and not only), you need to understand in detail, delve into it (and not shout slogans from an armored car). The Russian state does not always pursue a well-thought-out policy, but it is always legal (both according to international legal norms and local ) The mediocrity and illiteracy of the Ukrainian authorities amazes and surprises, and after that everything is blamed on the machinations of Moscow or someone else.
    In light of the above, before shouting and throwing mud at each other, you need to understand the issue, find out opinions and facts from different sources. Compare them and draw a conclusion.
    1. Украинец
      0
      16 September 2013 01: 46
      ..Here is the “big brother complex”...If there is mediocrity, illiteracy, then it’s about the Ukrainian government...and we (Russia) have “not a well-thought-out policy”...They always act legally....laugh I don’t think...your media has completely blown your mind...
  21. 0
    15 September 2013 23: 14
    let's start small - let's ban such publications - and most importantly this "incomprehensible" author, as violating all norms of conscience and morality.
    Paper will tolerate everything, but our souls and our conscience will not tolerate everything!
    1. Украинец
      0
      16 September 2013 01: 42
      ...It’s simple - “take everything and divide it” (sorry ... prohibited)....And the problem will disappear by itself...woman!...maybe even a blonde..
  22. 0
    16 September 2013 19: 27
    If, to please its Western partners, Ukraine slows down Russian warships at customs, this will not go unnoticed by Russia. They won’t fight, but it’s possible to get a punch on the nose. No matter what various experts say, Ukraine and Russia are sisters and only departments can sort things out, but things will not come to war.
    1. 0
      16 September 2013 19: 35
      Quote: ioann1
      If, to please its Western partners, Ukraine slows down Russian warships at customs, this will not go unnoticed by Russia.

      Yes, by the way, as far as I understand, the territory of a warship is the sovereign territory of the state to which this ship belongs. In this regard, I have a question for experts in international law, I hope we have some on our forum. Are warships subject to customs inspection? If YES, then in what situations?
  23. EdwardTich68
    -1
    16 September 2013 22: 06
    I don’t have any brothers in Ukraine, never have and never will. It’s stupid to be afraid of using the Russian army
    during the impending collapse of Ukraine. If the Ukrainians start screaming about joining NATO, Ukraine must be liquidated, even if only through war. Why then do we need an army? hi
  24. Garrym
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    17 September 2013 00: 19
    What the hell kind of war is that? Well, Ukraine will make friends with the West, well, they’ll rip off its stupidity... They’ll come to their senses, where will they go??... We know, we’ve already been there, sir...
  25. +2
    19 September 2013 11: 03
    Soon after the ban on the import of Ukrainian sweets, Belarus banned the import into its territory of the products of the Inkerman vintage wine factory, and this is about 35 percent of the total volume of Ukrainian wine imports. Because of this ban, the plant may suffer serious losses. The Belarusian government explained such sanctions by the fact that these products do not meet “organoleptic indicators”, that is, these wines do not have sufficient taste(quote)
    And I’m wildly sorry, but that the Belarusian side does not know that the Inkerman vintage wine factory specializes in the production of dry and semi-dry wines. (from the history of production at this factory, and Korefan lives 200 meters from the factory) This is not Agdam , the trees fell!
  26. Kostya pedestrian
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    5 October 2013 19: 16
    Now it’s clear who spoils our friendship and is opposed to oral contacts (women should not just ignore them, but ridicule them as failed cosmopolitans eaten by New York), not to mention who forms a FALSE opinion ABOUT Russian gentlemen.
    drinks
  27. 0
    28 October 2015 15: 41
    Tough... what would this “analyst” say today?
    Everything was moving towards this, systematically and inevitably, as it turned out...