The war between Ukraine and Russia: is it possible?

Once again, a rather classical situation develops in relations between Russia and Ukraine, when the East opposes the West. Ukraine, which had been in the shadow of neighboring Russia for a long time, should sign the Association Agreement, a document that is significant for the Ukrainian state, at the Vilnius summit in a few months. Of course, the signing itself is not a guarantee that Ukraine will become a full member of the European Union. At the same time, this document guarantees the reshaping of European borders, and the withdrawal of Ukraine to the west.

It should be remembered that, starting from 2010, Russia has been creating its own community - the Eurasian Customs Union, in which the participation of the former Soviet republics - Kazakhstan, Belarus, is expected. At the same time, the Russian government strongly recommends Ukraine to join it. The customs union is supposed to be created as a kind of diplomatic and economic counterweight to Brussels. But since there are large disparities between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow. That is why Hillary Clinton, the former Secretary of State of the United States of America, saw in the creation of the Eurasian Union the attempts of the Kremlin to return the post-Soviet territories, called this community a step towards re-Sovietization of the region.

Ukraine, which has many years of history bilateral projects with Russia, has little desire to join this alliance, which is understandable. The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using for this the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities want to implement their intentions in the near future, in November of this year, by signing an agreement with the EU. At the same time, Moscow does not leave attempts to convince Ukraine that in fact the place of the country is in the East.

Hence the tightening of customs procedures. Moreover, representatives of the Russian government without reserve say that such events are caused by the desire of Ukraine to Europe. So, another 18 of August of this year, said Sergei Glazyev, adviser to the head of the Russian state on the development of the Customs Union. The fact that such threats are not empty words is evidenced by the use of punitive trade sanctions. The first blow was delivered to the products of the Ukrainian confectionery corporation Roshen, which manufactures chocolates in a large assortment. Despite the fact that this company for many years, starting with 1996, has been supplying sweet products to Russia, as well as the fact that Russian experts have repeatedly inspected it, the management of Roshen was informed that for supplies of Ukrainian products in Russia imposed a ban. The reason was called banal - improper processing of raw materials in the production. Soon, Belarus and Kazakhstan joined this ban. Such sanctions caused the Ukrainian corporation, which is one of the largest employing companies in Ukraine, to lose more than 200 million dollars.

It should be recalled that this is not the first complaint against the Ukrainian manufacturer. And there is nothing surprising here, because the head of the corporation, Petro Poroshenko, being the head of the Ukrainian foreign affairs agency, pursued a frankly pro-Western policy.

Shortly after the ban on the import of Ukrainian chocolates, Belarus banned the import of Inkerman wines from its factory, which is about 35 percent of the total Ukrainian wine imports. Because of this ban, the plant may suffer serious losses. The Belarusian government explained such sanctions by the fact that this product does not correspond to “organoleptic indicators”, that is, this wine does not have sufficient taste. It is noteworthy that these bans became clearer and clearer after Moscow declared the reality of Ukraine’s economic dependence on Russia, and that Moscow was ready to fully use this dependence to achieve its own goals.

Economic dependence, above all, is noticeable in the energy industry. Despite the fact that the former Ukrainian government looked towards the West and was more liberal, at the time Yanukovych came to power, Ukraine depended on Russia to the maximum. After negotiations on the supply of Russian gas to the Ukrainian territory, the Ukrainian authorities agreed on deliveries at prices far exceeding those in Europe, and volumes that largely exceeded the required ones. As a result, at the beginning of 2013, Kiev refused to buy unwanted gas, for which he received a fine of 7 billions of dollars. It is quite obvious that such leaps in bilateral relations between Ukraine and Russia forced Yanukovich to look for new sources of economic growth. So, at the beginning of this year, a ten-billion contract for shale gas production was signed between Ukraine and Royal Dutch Shell.

New attempts to convince the Ukrainian government made the Russian head of state V. Putin during his visit to Ukraine in late July. Then a very cool protocol meeting and face to face talks took place between the two presidents, after which the heads of state did not even shake hands. At the same time, they could not say anything new to the journalists. Thus, it is quite obvious that Putin did not succeed in dissuading the Ukrainian political elite from European integration, therefore Ukraine should prepare for new gas, trade, church and political wars. We can not exclude the visa regime between the states.

According to the statement of the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Leonid Kozhara, the Ukrainian state has fulfilled the plan of preparing for the signing of the Agreement with the EU at 95 percent. According to him, the signing of this document completely excludes integration with the TS. In addition, Kozhara stressed that the European integration at this time is a strategic reference point of Ukraine and the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union will undoubtedly create new opportunities for bringing the Ukrainian market to European standards.

The country, having associations with the European Union and the Free Trade Zone, will not be able to participate in the work of other unions. Therefore, it is likely that after the Vilnius summit, the most large-scale gas conflict will break out between Kiev and Moscow. Not only disputes over the volumes of Russian gas pumped into Ukrainian storage facilities, but also the refusal to extend the payment period of the $ 2 billion loan from Gazprombank to Naftogaz Ukraine, testify that preparation for it is in full swing.

In addition, the fact that almost immediately after Putin’s visit to Ukraine, A. Kwasniewski and the former head of the European Parliament, P. Cox, who monitor the situation of Ukraine's commitments to the European Union.

In this situation, it is also necessary to understand that the gas conflict will certainly also be political and ecclesiastical. And the escalation of the conflict is certainly hello to the introduction of a visa regime between the two states.

The Ukrainian president also adds fuel to the fire, who in early September as part of a meeting with representatives of the Party of Regions, said that the Russian partners had violated a number of agreements, as well as the fact that the association with the European Union was Kiev’s deliberate choice. The violation of the obligations undertaken by Russia, he said, is not just an insult to the Ukrainian head of state, but to the country as a whole. In particular, the point is that within the framework of the Kharkiv agreements, the Russian side promised that if agreements were reached, the gas price formula for Ukraine would change. Later, the Russians did not keep their word. Yanukovych stressed that there is no respectful and partnership relationship of Russia to Ukraine, so the decision of the Ukrainian government in favor of the European vector has no alternatives.

The Ukrainian president also said that at present the trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia is 62 billion. If the Kremlin does not abandon its plan of pressure on Ukraine, the volume of trade can be halved. That is why, Yanukovych is sure, one of the main requirements of Ukraine for signing an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trading activity with the Russians.

At the same time, some experts do not exclude the possibility that the situation between Ukraine and Russia can become so heated that such an armed conflict is not excluded. However, some of them express very strange and unexpected considerations. So, in particular, one of the Ukrainian TV presenters, Alexey Arestovich, who some time ago served in the General Directorate of Intelligence, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. The presenter explained this statement by saying that the Russian army is part of the Soviet, and at present it is not very efficient. Psychological condition is no better. The real military who served in Chechnya have long been dispersed. Some of them are already dead. In addition, Arestovich noted, the Russian government carried out a not very successful military reform.

“She (the Russian army) - part of the Soviet, today is not very combat ready. The psychological state of the army is bad. All the generals who made a career in the war in Chechnya - Rokhlin, Kazantsev, Troshev, Lebed - are dead. GRU dispersed. This means that the army has gone blind and deaf. Crossed unsuccessfully Aviation The Ground Forces and the Air Force made many other unsuccessful decisions, ”Arestovich describes the state of the Russian armed forces.

The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very efficient. Of course, she is chronically short of funding. At the same time, the Ukrainian armed forces have a number of strong advantages, in particular, we are talking about the joint command of special operations, which exists only in a few NATO countries. In addition, there are many quite interesting and promising developments.

The Ukrainian army, on the contrary, seems to him to be combat-ready. “She is exhausted and chronically underfunded. But she has strengths. For example, the combined command of special operations. Only six NATO countries have this. There are interesting and promising developments. Ukraine performed well in Iraq. And we do not forget that seven Russian planes were destroyed over Georgia in five days. Ours did not shoot down, but they helped the Georgians set up an air defense system, ”he notes.

Yes, and speaking quite frankly, the TV presenter believes, it’s not the one who is trained well, who is fighting well, but the one who has better motivation. Therefore, Ukraine, in the case of Russian military aggression, will have a significant advantage. After all, Russia will be able to go to a neighboring country with an army of about 40 thousands of people, and this will certainly affect the situation in the Caucasus and the Volga. In addition, we should not forget about China, which is friendly with Russia only externally.

Ukraine, he is sure, to fight back, a very small army will suffice: “Thousands of guys will be enough. They don’t need to crawl under Tanks. Let them not even enter into big battles, but destroy communications, communication lines, and attack small groups of invaders. And those 40 thousand will have tremendous problems. And there are a thousand in Ukraine. ”

Ukraine, in order to defend itself, will require no more than a thousand soldiers. Moreover, all that is required of them is to destroy the paths of communications, communications, and to attack small groups of the enemy.

It is commendable, of course, that there are people in Ukraine who are so confident in the military power of their army, but one should not forget that the same military budget (and, therefore, equipment with armament and military equipment) in Russia is ten times higher than the Ukrainian one. On the other hand, in a situation where relations between the two states are already heated, such statements deserve condemnation at best. It is clear that, if necessary, this same Arestovich will not participate in any conflict, but will incite hatred and ethnic strife from the studio. And for the like and need to be held accountable ...

Materials used:
http://polemika.com.ua/news-126160.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2013/07/29/1157665.html
http://argumentua.com/reportazh/osen-2013-novaya-gazovaya-torgovaya-tserkovnaya-voina-i-vozmozhno-i-vizovyi-rezhim-s-rossi

Comments

[xetai9977]

Well, here's another article on the "war between Ukraine and Russia". Someone is trying to pass off wishful thinking. Has the antagonism between the two countries really reached the point that only war can resolve it?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: author Valery Boval, Dneprodzerzhinsk, Ukraine

since there are large imbalances between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow.

Boval today is inadequate. Management in the TS can be compared with management in a joint-stock company. This is consistent with an honest economic union. In the Association the management of a commission of 28 people. from EU countries + from the European Commission per representative of Ukraine. Well, what decisions were they going to make there?

Further, the author generally went into a rage. What is it worth only calling him a war of refusal to extend a loan or a mythical "gas war" - the church. Not otherwise, the author smoked something.

But, in fact, in Ukraine, the masters of the information war, the Pied Piper pipe-makers, there are also much worse ones.

[Nicholas C.]

I found the topic for the title on the Ukrainian site for a long time:
Satan
I read in the newspaper yesterday, -
"the economy is growing rapidly",
"democracy in full bloom" -
is the press lying or am I?

Friends respect us in Brussels
allow food to be served,
and in Moscow they extort us for gas,
what would we all pay them.

We handed over the country to Judah
"democracy" is growing here and there,
but pay like normal people
we will not be for gas Muscovites!

If it is true that we are so rich
for hell we appeal to PACE?
If we row money with a shovel,
why don't we pay like everyone else ?!

We are to blame for everything in Moscow, -
that the rain, that the internet is dead,
in the fact that someone is hunchbacked in life,
even that which in principle is not!

We can't confess to each other
that the country was mediocre
surrendering everything to kickbacks to foreigners,
we have lowered our people.

By the will of the people, the people are fooled,
the children will not forgive us
But someone thinks good luck,
someone rustles green.

This world is not simple and not sweet
but Svidomo, that on the forehead, that on the forehead,
I’m sick of panic habits,
those who themselves were only a serf yesterday.

We have developed a big debate,
and found how to rebuke the brothers:
- it’s you who are to blame for everything,
- and if so, we will betray you!

For no reason - conscience would hinder us
but the reasons we quickly found
we came up with a whole story
starting with the birth of the earth.

The story we distributed to all the children
yes they called it "History" (!)
to cram: "mosk-l on the planet -
the first enemy of the Ukrainian land! "

We betrayed the Slavic brotherhood,
slandering the closest people
god let us forget this fucking thing
when the troubled time has passed.

We are allied in a house together
lived for seventy years
we considered all songs "ours"
and anyone could finish your verse.

As a trait we shared that life:
"there is no fault of ours in previous sins!"
as if they themselves did not serve in the Cheka -
not tortured in execution courts.

It was all - and sorrow and joy
one, another, but all in half.
We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

All good is our merit.
everything is bad - Russia’s fault,
lies ringing like a bullet from a plow
and Satan laughs in the distance.

Satan, that self-serving and low,
wants the brothers to pit mongrels,
to tear your jackpot off satanic,
on brothers shed blood.

As in delirium I scream that there is urine
brothers, wait! Why do we need a war?
But only an echo flies in the middle of the night ...
And Satan laughs in the distance.
NOT. Svidomo

[zh1]

Everything to the point, I copied myself and show my friends.
Thank you.

[Hunghuz]

Svidomo noisy crowd) around Uman wander everything) By all means with tal mu a pad house with a hand about singing everyone’s independence .......))) the poet wrote Moisha Pushkin-Kannibal 200 rocky back)

[ia-ai00]

It’s bitter and sad that the fucking shit-liberal-liberalSatan rules "balom". We are one people, what about us cut live? The entire GAYZONE, led by the policeman of the whole Earth, is the USA, like jackals tore our country and want to finish off the SPLITS of a great country ...

[Natalia]

Quote: Nikolai S.

I found the topic for the title on the Ukrainian site for a long time:

Aaaachuuumeeet ... I'm in shock, in the sense of fun, even very, abaldenny verse ... especially this one moment reflect reality

We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

Thank you wholeheartedly, cool verse

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Natalia

We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

Thank you wholeheartedly, cool verse

Natalia You are great today !!!

And this is for you from me

[huut]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Boval today is inadequate.

No, you just have to try to understand what the author had in mind. The "gas-church war" means that in the event of a serious conflict on gas grounds, political and church leverage will be used in order to stir up anti-Russian sentiments, which has already happened, not a myth.

Well, some experts, the author writes, allow military action.

The fact that the title of the article was not chosen well for the catch is yes, but otherwise the author compiled everything correctly.

[edge]

Quote: huut

Well, some experts, the author writes, allow military action

that's what I didn’t want, under any circumstances .... how will I shoot at my classmates, with whom in the winter I shared a bowler hat

[smile]

huut
This author, in the guise of a dispassionate coverage of the situation, pushes his little idea about that. that, bad Russia everywhere offends the poor Ukraine, and Yanukovych is forced to go into the embrace of a disinterested European Union. And if something like this, a thousand lads with combat sorties will completely smash the oaths of m ... lei, who of course will take revenge and can reach the invasion. The author is a radish, a bad man belt crying on his provocative pope.

By the way, those who like to scold our policy to snatch Onishchenko out of their holster to protect the interests of Russia, I advise you to pay attention to the fact that both Belarus and Kazakhstan act in the same way with respect to Yanukovych-they have their own onischenka who act by the same methods .... only now there or there, something is not visible to people pouring mud on themselves ... for the inhabitants of these countries, this is the normal policy of their governments in defense of their interests, although they are mercilessly exposing us ... :)) And only here there are crowds of the righteous, which violently deny exclusively our right to defend our political and economic interests by any means available. Miracles in the sieve ... :))))

[El13]

Come on, no, this is not in the article ... here about the war story the author was spreading in vain so, an unpleasant sediment ...

[smile]

El13
Yes, I would quit, but ... The author tries to be objective, but he repeatedly quotes Unraintsevs. in the above privacy of Yanukovych, who blames Russia. but does not quote his opponents. who could disavow the accusations against Russia - this cannot but create the reader a false impression of who is to blame. sometimes the author's own estimates erupt.
Quotes:

Ukraine, which has a long history of bilateral projects with Russia, does not have a great desire to join this union, which is understandable.

 It is clear that such leaps in bilateral relations between Ukraine and Russia forced Yanukovych to look for new sources of economic growth.
Well, how do you understand this? And about war, it’s generally prohibitive ... mind you, the author is not trying to disavow the statements of scouts, zhurnalyug.
That is why I affirm the author-radish.

[El13]

What can I say ... convinced

I'll go put the article "-", before that I could not decide ...

[Darakht]

Imagine

Quote: smile

smile

Ukraine will decide to protect its economic interests and throw the Black Sea Fleet out of Crimea. And what can Russia do, but not Ukraine? Everything is possible for everyone :)

[El13]

You are mistaken, Russia does not violate rules, laws and treaties, yes, it uses them selectively, but within the framework of the law. What you suggest is a breach of contract. Ukraine may cost intrigues not allowing to modernize the Black Sea Fleet, but it cannot expel, it can do other dirty tricks, but not expel.

[Darakht]

Quote: El13

El13

You are like a child, I can, you can not. I'm in love :)

[Corneli]

Quote: El13

You are mistaken, Russia does not violate rules, laws and treaties, yes, it uses them selectively, but within the framework of the law. What you suggest is a breach of contract. Ukraine may cost intrigues not allowing to modernize the Black Sea Fleet, but it cannot expel, it can do other dirty tricks, but not expel.

to remember the Black Sea Fleet "in sue" is bad form! Even, in spite of YOUR (I will clarify - Kremlin vybryki) behavior, Yanyk does not stutter about the concluded agreement (that reading, your "comments" is strange!) Yusch, who did not enter and was sent, in spite of EVERYTHING !!! efforts !!! Current about the Black Sea Fleet and the Volal! But the disgusting "professor" is silent ... you can see "according to the concepts" (well, like he himself was ... naught, for a deshovy show-off / divorce he signed a contract until .45 ...) And if Russia can put on "conventions "(in the form of" guarantees "(which already sounds ridiculous) about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons). It is strange that "ZEK Yanyk" respects his word more ... than some ...

[El13]

I had to read twice, nifiga did not immediately understand, although everything seemed to be read before in your performance ...
The conversation was about throwing the Black Sea Fleet out of the Crimea (Darakht suggested), to which I indicated that this would be a violation of the agreement, but Russia does not violate anything, only uses the available levers selectively, and he suggested violating the agreement, and moreover, said type, Russia can, why Ukraine can not?
Talking is one thing, but give at least one example of a violation of treaties by Russia or an act against Ukraine that is not in accordance with the law.

[Corneli]

Quote: El13

I had to read twice, I didn’t understand at once, although everything seemed to be read before in your performance ...
The conversation was about throwing the Black Sea Fleet out of the Crimea (Darakht suggested), to which I indicated that this would be a violation of the agreement, but Russia does not violate anything, only uses the available levers selectively, and he suggested violating the agreement, and moreover, said type, Russia can, why Ukraine can not?

Are you me Sori, just that) There are a lot of comments, without quotes it is not clear (

[nnz226]

Ukraine will sweat to throw out: there will not be enough relics. If it comes to this, then what will be thrown out? Three boats and five boats! And about a thousand lads: if it comes to clashes, where did the author get the idea that there will be a crossing of the Dnieper, the Korsun-Shevchenko operation, etc. ??? The lightning-fast seizure of Crimea with a stop at the Crimean shaft and let the "garni lads" repeat the feat of Makhno's army in November 1920, when they were thrown in the forehead at the Perekopsik fortification. And regarding the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, the svidomo fought with the Russian soldiers in 1943, or rather, they tried: divisions "Galicia" and "Nachtigall" - so they were crumbled into sawdust, not bothering much.

[Darakht]

Quote: nnz226

And regarding the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, the svidomo fought with the Russian soldiers in 1943, or rather, they tried: divisions "Galicia" and "Nachtigall" - so they were crumbled into sawdust, not bothering much.

About how with Russian soldiers, consisting of Ukrainian, Belorussian, Jewish, Tajik, Georgian, of course, Russian ... to continue to list or Russian Svidomo shut up?

[yur]

Ukraine may join the EU, criticize Russia's economic policy, be dissatisfied with Onishchenko and other, other, other. But as soon as she doubts the need for the Russian World Cup in Sevastopol, she will have to see a small furry animal. I think so.

[Felix200970]

Ukraine will get acquainted with a thick fur-bearing northern animal in any case. And this will not be caused by Russia or the European Union, but by internal "politics". The people (who have the opportunity) dump out of the country before it's too late

[rolik]

Quote: smile

By the way, those who like to scold our policy to snatch Onishchenko out of their holster to protect the interests of Russia, I advise you to pay attention to the fact that both Belarus and Kazakhstan act in the same way with respect to Yanukovych

Well, as always, and whoever would be surprised is to blame for everything. And the following quote attracted me to the article:
- But since there are large imbalances between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow.
And in the EU, of course, everyone is equal in terms of economy and size. Recently, Cyprus, Greece, and Spain have already been seen; other countries may not be mentioned. In the EU, Germany, France, England rule the ball. That's who dances all over Europe, and who the rest of the European countries work for. Well, soon they will receive new and trouble-free markets for their goods, a free raw material base, and cheap labor. A change of power in Ukraine, completely controlled by them will not be difficult.

[31231]

Et yes, in association they will be Persian lads. Of course after the Baltic states.

[nnz226]

even with the limotrophs-sprats they will be pushed for the first place (though from the end of the list) And they will slide down to the state of the limitrophe ...

[FireFly]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Management in the TS can be compared with management in a joint-stock company. This is consistent with an honest economic union.

And so honest that in the hands of one of the participants a controlling stake and all decisions he takes at his discretion ...

[rereture]

Russia has no brothers. Nationalist forces have won in Ukraine and will soon finish off the remaining sane people. Already now, the Russians call us 'damned yami', 'occupants', they poke a famine in our noses, and try to deceive us in every possible way (some say that it is not tricky to deceive her, that Russian suckers, and a sucker is not a sin to deceive), many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on Red Square.

[Kolya]

Arestovich is an ordinary provocateur! Who are you listening to ???? It was his goal to fill us all with confrontation. Less emotions friends!

[Docent1984]

Yes, emotions usually take over when something urgent happens, or when the rest of the arguments have already been exhausted. In the 90s and a bit in the 00s, the rulers of Ukraine managed to "troll" our people with all sorts of dirty tricks, but the calm and indifferent policy of recent years leaves no more arguments. And so rhetoric begins in the spirit of "hold me seven" and "rudeness is our last argument") It's funny ... it would be if it weren't so sad ...
You +

[Captain Vrungel]

Sergei! When you were in Ukraine, you so categorically declare. Do not confuse those who live in power with the enslaved people. Both with you and with us.
This year, as never before, we had a lot of tourists from Russia and Belarus. Nobody even tried to distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian. All your statements are taken from the venal media. Yes, bandits are in power and they are terrified of the vehicle, realizing that your bandits will deprive them of their business. You see that the communication of the authorities is not proceeding according to protocol and agreements, but "according to concepts." By the way, Russians are sweeping away Roshen confectionery. so as quality, price, taste. assortment at the highest level.
And what kind of war can we talk about? Power squabble? Putin must remove Monomakh’s hat. She is too big. Slavs are peaceful people. They will not fight against each other. On occasion, fraternization will come about unambiguously. And there, behind the glass, immediately the culprit will be determined, which prevents peacefully living.
Do we need this?

[xan]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

By the way, Russians are sweeping away Roshen confectionery. so as quality, price, taste. assortment at the highest level.

Where does infa come from?
Maybe you're an advertising agent?
the worried Ukrainian is visible from afar

[Captain Vrungel]

As if you were from a cultural capital. Northern Palmyra, but not hap. But rather Ham.
Poke to strangers. Without trying, not knowing, to argue. Blame one sentence. For reference. I was born in the Soviet Union. I grew up in the USSR. Here is my homeland.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

I was born in the Soviet Union. I grew up in the USSR. Here is my homeland.

Congratulations, me too, but about the fact that they are sweeping away and the "delicious" taste of your "roche" do not need to tell the truth, as they lay on the shelves in stores and lie - prey.

[Egoza]

Quote: xan

Where does infa come from?

Yes, just infa in the news on TV. "The plane to Russia is packed with Roshen products. Passengers are taking 10 Kiev cakes to Moscow .... (So the price has been lowered.) The Ukrainian border went well, but won't people in Russia be stopped?"

[rolik]

Quote: Egoza

... "The plane to Russia is packed with Roshen products. The passengers are taking 10 Kiev cakes to Moscow .... (So the price was reduced).

And what news and on which TV did it show?

[Egoza]

Quote: rolik

And what news and on which TV did it show?

Ukrainian channel STB, then repeated on 1 + 1

[rolik]

Quote: Egoza

Ukrainian channel STB

Ahhh .... well Toda understandable)))))) Go overloaded planes then fly, barely come off from takeoff))))

[dmit-xnumx]

And the Slavs will simply finish off the Ounov’s shortcomings and their hangers-on, and this will end the feud.

[Sour]

Roshen chocolate is the shittiest chocolate in the solar system. Thank you Onishchenko for blocking the road to this shameful product. Let Tyagnibok eat it. Or Yanukovych.

[Jogan-xnumx]

At the expense of the solar system - I don’t know, Martian chocolate somehow didn’t bother to try, and that the Roshenovskaya confectionery is the most crappy and low-quality - I confirm! Somehow personally, even about 7 years ago, on the occasion I had to observe the examination of this confectionery and its results - mom do not grieve !!! There, in order to reduce the cost and increase the volume of output, there is so much shit crammed that from sweets and chocolate there is only a drawing on the wrappers! Since then, categorically I do not buy anything Roshenovsky and I do not advise my friends and acquaintances. All of us, to some extent, are enemies of our health. But not to the same extent !!!

[Revolver]

Quote: Jogan-64

and that the Roshenovskaya confectionery is the most crappy and low-quality - I confirm!

There are Roshen products in America too, though more and more in "Russian" stores. Obviously they are buying, otherwise they would not have kept. But most likely they buy by inertia. The same Lindt from Switzerland, or even the local Ghirardelli is noticeably tastier (although the taste and color ...), and not much more expensive, but when on sale (at least once every couple of months, or even more often, and lasts a week or more ), it is much cheaper.

[Jogan-xnumx]

There are Roshen products in America too, though more and more in "Russian" stores

I do not mind that there is. Only the trick is that they are unlikely to be delivered there the same as they trade here. For P.I. Endosov, control was specifically established, something did not like - they’ll smash both the goods and the importer himself. No one will blather. Even in Russia, I suppose, they deliver better-quality products. And what they sell in Hohland. Try it on occasion. With the same success, you can go to the children's store and buy a box of plasticine. I assure you, the quality will be almost the same. Plasticine, maybe even better. There are, of course, high-quality "Roshen", but with exorbitant prices.

[rolik]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

. No one even tried to distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian

I confirm that I was traveling 2 times on the way to dad in Bulgaria. Absolutely normal and good people, with the exception of thick-faced customs officers at the border. transition to Yarilovichi-Novaya Guta.
As for Roshen, this is of course hot old man - they said hotly. In Russia, there is a lot of other chocolate, and there has never been a stir around Roshen. I’m only buying our chocolate, simply because I and my family and friends like it. And Roshen did not even notice the absence on the shelves.
And what is Putin's Monomakh hat ??? Unlike Yanukovych, he works, and does not suck up everyone who waves a bill. Who needs to take off the crown is the Ukrainian government. No need to puff up, or you can burst from overvoltage, or the hernia will jump out. And then puffed up, swell, trying to show their importance. They are trying to turn their faces to Europe, because their ass is bare)))) In fact, the Ukrainian government is full of zilch, an elementary particle in the world community.

[Corneli]

Quote: rolik

And what is Putin's Monomakh hat ??? Unlike Yanukovych, he works, and does not suck up everyone who waves a bill.

LTD. Are you a close person to Putin?) MB trusted advisor? Do you know who and what advises him and maybe there, in the "advisers" not a single oligarch (or lobbyists for the interests of these oligarchs) are not present? Roughly speaking ... Putin is a HOLY! (At least write an icon) And Yanukovych is a traitor "the robber of socialist property"!
The day before yesterday I mentioned the top 10 "richest" oligarchs in Russia ... minus (see Russian svidomites ()) It is hard, apparently, to accept such "Russian surnames" as: Burkhanovich, Alekperov, Fridman, Vekselberg, Abramovich, Mikhelson (6 out of 10 , THE RICHEST OLIGARCHS in Russia, at least)

[Misantrop]

Quote: Corneli

And Yanukovych is a traitor "the stealer of socialist property"!

Exactly what a traitor. That's just not Russia, but those citizens of his own country who voted for his election promises

[Corneli]

Quote: Misantrop

Exactly what a traitor. That's just not Russia, but those citizens of his own country who voted for his election promises

No offense ... be so kind as to quote his "promises" especially those who "love it so much here!" I, as they say ... hope and wait!

[Misantrop]

Quote: Corneli

quote his "promises"

Alas, I did not outline his speech at a rally in Simferopol on Lenin Square. But I remember for sure that he promised an alliance with Russia. Personally, I heard. Moreover, two times, he also came in front of the Maidan

[Corneli]

Quote: Misantrop

Alas, I did not outline his speech at a rally in Simferopol on Lenin Square. But I remember for sure that he promised an alliance with Russia. Personally, I heard. Moreover, two times, he also came in front of the Maidan

In nete there are his manifestos and campaign promises laid out, look and filter out of them.
P.S. Personally and not so long ago, I pushed and threw quotes from there.

[rolik]

Quote: Corneli

LTD. Are you close to Putin?) Mb trusted advisor?

Trusted Advisor .... Trusted Trustor)))))
And when these oligarchs became rich, the sophisticated Ukrainian memory does not suggest ??? More precisely, at whom they became oligarchs ??? And let's say together .... when EBNe, right. Now look, just look closely at what state they are in now. how rapidly it is decreasing, times have changed a little, now you will not be full of "family"))))) And besides, I will reveal to you a terrible secret and may your ISKCON (this is not a typo) remain safe, the entire state of these oligarchs is expressed in liquidity their assets. Now there is a lot of economy, and all these assets have long been pledged and re-pledged at interest in banks against loans taken for the purchase of these very assets. And if the market value of these assets begins to sink, then the financial condition of the oligarchs begins to sing romances. there is not so much cash and free money, everything is in these very assets. At any moment, any of these oligarchs can turn into an ordinary millionaire.
And what are we actually about the Russian oligarchs, let's crack about the Ukrainian.
In Ukraine, power and business are merging. In the TOP of the richest people in Ukraine in 2012 are 6 officials of the highest rank. With the advent of new faces to power, the rules of the game changed and the list of the richest people in Ukraine began to change. First of all, this concerns the close people of Viktor Yanukovych.
In the list of newcomers to millionaires was the president’s eldest son, Alexander Yanukovich, whose fortune is estimated at $ 100 million. Since people from the environment of the presidential son are appointed to key financial and law enforcement agencies, experts unanimously agree: the financial flows of Ukraine are being redistributed in his favor. Last year, for example, the State Tax Administration (STA) was transferred for service to the All-Ukrainian Development Bank, which belongs to Alexander Yanukovych. Prior to this, the tax authorities were serviced by the state Ukreximbank. Former tax chairman Vitaly Zakharchenko (now the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) and the current head of the STA, Alexander Klimenko, are friends of Alexander Yanukovych. What a caring dad, everything for my beloved son)))) Something I have not heard that the daughters of GDP rule the factories, factories, ships))))
Further down the list: Akhmetov Rinat Leonidovich, Novinsky Vadim Vladislavovich, Kolomoisky Igor Valerievich, Bogolyubov Gennady Borisovich, Firtash Dmitry Vasilievich. And who cares, he can look at the habitats of these true Ukrainians on the Internet, they painfully look like people of Jewish nationality)))) And what is most interesting, they rose sharply when they entered the throne of the godfather of all Ukraine. I post a photo of a Ukrainian billionaire with a non-Jewish surname, but he’s a habitus - he’s also a habitus in Africa. And you are all about Russian billionaires Jews, look at your own.
By the way, the surname still does not say anything. The company, along with my dad, worked with people with very Russian names and surnames, for example, the name Zhukovsky, while they were purebred Jews))))
In the photo Kolomoisky Igor Valerevich. Originally from Dnepropetrovsk, land Yanukovych ..... oh yes, it's just a coincidence that they are from the same city))))))
One of the most successful Ukrainian entrepreneurs. He is a member of the board of Naftohimik Prykarpattya and Ukrnafta. Vice President of the Football Federation. One of the most influential people in Ukraine according to many political scientists.
So who is it, dear Corneli, you speak on the first roles ???

[Corneli]

Quote: rolik

So who is it, dear Corneli, you speak on the first roles ???

The same as YOU))) Current surnames differ)
And, from the Russian top, I gave examples of SPECIFIC Jews, the rest with "Russian" surnames, look something like Pan Kolomoisky)
And actually, in general, I agree with your post ... only the situation in Ukraine does not differ from the situation in Russia (in terms of oligarchs in politics)
The only thing, according to the personalities you mentioned above, is a couple of clarifications:
1 clarification: They are all robbers in the same 90s) with the same EBN (few knew about Yanukovych then)
2. clarification: Of the above ONLY Akhmetov (who, incidentally, is not a Jew but a very purebred Mordvin, originally from the RSFSR) is directly related to Yanukovych, only Yanyk did not pull him, but vice versa. And he was rich long before politics (Yanukovych’s sponsor in the 2004 elections, but became a people's deputy in 2006)
3. Clarification: Novinsky is a Russian oligarch in general) He adopted the citizenship of Ukraine in 2012! The people's deputy from Sevastopol to the word)))
3. clarification: Kolomoisky and Bogolyubov are 2 Jews (with Israeli citizenship)) NOT from the "family" of Yanyk ... here you fired strongly.

Quote: rolik

In the photo Kolomoisky Igor Valerevich. Originally from Dnepropetrovsk, land Yanukovych ..... oh yes, it's just a coincidence that they are from the same city))))))

Do not write if you do not rummage. DONETSK CLAN (Yanyk and Akhmetov) and DNEPROPETROVSKY (Tymoshenchikha ... Kolomoisky, Bogolyubov) did not like each other since childhood)
4. clarification Firtash ... he himself was, rose again in Russia, the favorite of the Turkmen and Gazprom (it was he who created RosUkrEnergo, to import Turkmen gas and until SIMPOR sue Yulechka on this account, who turned him off from this business )
5. clarification ALL THESE PERSONS WERE VERY !!! RICH even in the late 90s !!! And Yanyk is out of business here
Something like this...
P.S. And my son, our prez, of course pulls ... "krovinushka" ... But no more than, for example, not oligarch Lukashenko at all) That 10 year old boy is already preparing for receivers)

[rolik]

Quote: Corneli

Do not write if you do not rummage. DONETSK CLAN (Yanyk and Akhmetov) and Dnepropetrovsk

Here the truth is messed up.
But the conversation was about our Jews, you modestly kept silent about yours. But I did not give a complete list of your type of "purebred Ukrainian" lads, do you want to continue ??? I have them.
Firtash Dmitry Vasilievich, Nusenkis Victor Leonidovich, Taruta Sergey Alekseevich.
As always, I am attaching a photo of Viktor Nusenkis, a "thoroughbred ukhain" ... No, I will post a photo of another person about which I will write a little below. By the way, if you take a closer look at the habitus of this character, the question arises, is he really a purebred Ukrainian?
I always try to study more closely the material in question. But now I won’t even go deep, everything is already on the surface.
And I advise you, before presenting some YOUR "facts", to think about whether you will be presented with exactly the same materials.
Before counting the Jewish oligarchs in our country, count the oligarchs of another, not Ukrainian blood, in their penises.
And I repeat once again, our oligarchs have no longer the same Laf, unlike the Ukrainian. They no longer have such support as under EBNe, but the Ukrainians have exactly the opposite. Among the richest people, it is worth noting the breakthrough of Yuri Ivanyushchenko, he is YURA YENAKIEVSKY, who over the past year has increased his fortune by 7 times. According to information from the website of the Verkhovna Rada since September 2007, when he became a deputy from the Party of Regions. After Viktor Yanukovych became the President of Ukraine, the name of Ivanyushchenko began to flicker much more often in the press. Soon there was information that the Seventh Kilometer, the largest market in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, had changed its owner. They said that he was bought by a childhood friend of the President, as well as an authoritative person in the criminal world, Yura Enakievsky. And at the end of 2010, according to the Focus magazine, Yury Ivanyushchenko was among the five most influential Ukrainians (in fifth place). "Such a high position of the newcomer to the rating is due to the connections and business influence of an authoritative representative of the Party of Regions." A sensational interview of Russian criminal authority “Taiwanchik”, which was inaccessible to almost all countries of the world, in which he admitted that he could come to Ukraine after Yanukovych became president, also turned out to be attached to Ivanyushchenko. During the last visit to our country, “Taiwanchik” met with Yura Enakievsky - they have common interests in the grain market. Against this background, the appointment of Academician Mykola Bezuglogy close to Ivanyushchenko as president of the National Academy of Agrarian Sciences of Ukraine looks like for granted. Further on this character of Ukrainian realities there is still much interesting. But this is enough to understand what kind of cesspool Ukraine has turned into during the time of independence, through the efforts of its rulers. and that the current godfather has surpassed everyone, that’s where the crime really merged with the authorities, and at the level of the country's president.

[Corneli]

Quote: rolik

But the conversation was about our Jews, you modestly kept silent about yours. But I did not give a complete list of your type of "purebred Ukrainian" lads, do you want to continue ??? I have them.

You wrote so ... "he was silent" well at least he did not "hide" and "froze") do you at least remember what I mentioned the Russian oligarchs? If so, then in spite of your articles about Ukrainian (Jewish) oligarchs) And it is inappropriate to write tales about EBN, and the oligarchs who got rich with him. Look at the surroundings of the GDP, there are no new faces, straight from St. Petersburg?) About which not so long ago, no one heard of, and schA they suddenly became stars and rich Buratina?

Quote: rolik

As always, I am attaching a photo of Viktor Nusenkis, a "thoroughbred Ukrainian" ...

But in vain they didn’t attach) It would be ridiculous. By the way, I think you have already clarified, and found that he is NOT a Jew) He is Greek (this is for those who suddenly read this debate) and the largest Ukrainian donor to the UOC (which, to put it mildly, is not typical for Jews)
In general, one could go on and throw lists of "Putin and his (suddenly rich) team" and "pure-blooded Russians" (of which I would have dug up a lot more ... if I wanted to) in response, but what's the point? I wrote about something else (

[rolik]

Quote: Corneli

But in vain they didn’t attach) It would be ridiculous. By the way, I think you have already clarified, and found that he is NOT a Jew) He is Greek (this is for those who suddenly read this debate) and the largest Ukrainian donor to the UOC (which, to put it mildly, is not typical for Jews)

No, it's just that the second character seemed to me much more interesting than the first. As for the Jews, I can say that having a real Russian surname, first name, and patronymic, a person still remains who nature is, and his parents determined by the nation. And as for the Greek, this is still a question)))))) I also write this for those who doubt that a Jew can donate to the UOC, which cannot be done for the image. There was one Jewish friend who, during the years of Soviet power, was offended that his name was Lazarus. He always asked me to call him Lesha, while wearing an Orthodox cross on his hairy chest))))) When the USSR was gone, he abruptly became Lazarus and appeared on his chest. decent size, the star of David made of gold)))) Although the surname was left Russian, which is very strange))))) Read at your leisure "Protocols of the Sages of Zion." And I'm posting a photo of this character now, maybe he is a Greek ... but we carefully look at the habitus of this Greek))))
We continue, I ask you to name close friends of the GDP, who sharply became billionaires after the latter came to power, name what enterprises they rule his daughters to, which friend he gave to the mercy of some global Russian bank (we have one large and historical bank - Sberbank).
Here we look carefully.

[Corneli]

Quote: rolik

And I’m posting a photo of this character now, maybe he’s a Greek .... but we carefully look at the habitus of this Greek))))

I didn’t cry about his origin, I know that he has many Greek friends and the surname is from there, “habitus” in this case is not an authority, the Greeks do not suffer from weariness. Any nosy duck to listen to you, automatically - a Jew (and if he is a Georgian or an Armenian ... is it still a Jew?))

Quote: rolik

We continue, I ask you to name close friends of the GDP, who sharply became billionaires after the latter came to power, name what enterprises they rule his daughters to, which friend he gave to the mercy of some global Russian bank (we have one large and historical bank - Sberbank).

I really did not expect such a "foolish attitude" (excuse me). You, such a zonotok of the environment and income, do not really know anything about the "friends of VVP" who have become oligarchs? I’m a little shocked. Start with "Lake" (as the most famous one), for example, and look at who owns which banks, who is the minister, who is another "big shot"
As for the daughters, I will not say anything, there is a secret behind seven seals, But I do not think that they are in poverty)
As for "we have one large and historical bank - Sberbank" is also not a waitress And what is VTB? And the rest of the hundred million banks? (okay, only 1041, but in Ukraine - 176) And what by the way "the global Ukrainian bank was farmed away"? The All-Ukrainian Development Bank is already 43rd, as it is not something that is "global" even just "large" does not pull.
P.S. In general, it's weird, you wrote several names of Ukrainian oligarchs (2 Israeli citizens, 1 Russian (your Greek-Jew has Russian citizenship), one former Russian, well, and 3, like, Ukrainian) Of this entire list, only ONE is directly related to Yanyk, more 3 some (well, like Donetsk, which does not mean friendship or as a Sevastopol-Russian oligarch), and 3 are his specific enemies. Moreover, none of them got rich thanks to Yanyk. They were rich even before his primacy (especially before the presidency). And your amazing "modesty" and "ignorance" in the oligarchs of Russia and Putin's poor friends are quite strange)

[rereture]

I have relatives in the Crimea, and through them I do not learn the political news, but the everyday ones, so they say that a lot of Natsiks appeared among the young, I also sin online games (not often), and there I met with representatives of the progressive generation of Ukrainians, flow selective slops and insults in their address can be heard both in chat and in voice communication.

[rolik]

Quote: rereture

appeared among the young many Natsik

And against whom are the Crimean Natsiks opposed?

[Misantrop]

Quote: rolik

And against whom are the Crimean Natsiks opposed?

If in real life, then in general against everyone, even among themselves constantly dogged

[Setrac]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Power squabble?

Yes, a gnawing of power. Bad or good power, the main thing is that it, this power should be ONE, and this will be the power of Moscow, not Kiev. And you are defending your small-town power in Ukraine, which prevents the unification of Russians.

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Slavs are peaceful people. They will not fight against each other.

Are the Poles an example to you? More as they will be. The Germans were sent to fight against the Russians, and the Ukrainians would be sent.

Quote: Captain Vrungel

You see that the communication of the authorities is not proceeding according to protocol and agreements, but "according to concepts."

These standards of communication are set by your overseas owners; the right of the strong prevails in modern politics thanks to the United States.

[Docent1984]

Two years ago I was on vacation in Crimea. So it's funny that the locals treated me very well, even though I came from "Katsapetya". Apparently, hellish roots make themselves felt) But they looked askance at the Westerners, not in a childish way. One of them said on the phone: “I don’t know how it is in Ukraine, but in Crimea they do it like this”)

[Etruscan]

"Russia has no brothers. In Ukraine, nationalist forces have won, which will soon finish off the remaining sane people. Already now we Russians are called 'damned holes', 'occupants', they poke a Holodomor in our noses, and are trying in every possible way to deceive us (some say that to cheat she's not tricky that the Russian fuckers, and the sucker is not a sin to deceive), many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on Red Square. "(c)

Do not talk nonsense! Do you judge from the publications? Why did you decide that they reflect the opinion of the people? How is it? Upstairs are engaged in gamblers, yes, they poke all sorts of indecency, but this does not at all mean coincidence with the opinion of the majority of the population. It is not in vain that they are so afraid of holding a referendum on this issue and, I am sure, they will not, despite all attempts to organize it.

[nnz226]

Well, where is the Ukrainian people - they are a bunch of suckers? In 1991, he was led to the tale of the first prizIdent that they say that the independent in 10 years will become rich, like Khvrantia, however, for some reason, they did not hear the opinion of the Ambassador of France on this statement, but it said that the independent Rochland was up to the level of France, like Kiev was rakkom. You were, however. Now and up to the level of Russia as before Kiev in the same position ... Then you fell for the orange ones, they knocked on the barrels with impatience, and what did it feel better? Now they are bred in the EU: he was three years ago in the "capital of Chervona Rus" (according to the definition of the "founder of Ukrainian statehood" B. Khmelnitsky, and now the nest of Bandera offspring - Lviv, and drew attention (immediately something strange appeared on the streets, but not could formulate the strangeness) that on the streets or youngsters up to 23 years old or retirement age. And they explained to me that able-bodied people - all work in the EU, who in the vineyards, who makes pots for old gay Europeans. Intellectual labor of migrant workers !!! in the USSR they worked in factories, they made rockets, they built aircraft carriers, they want to take out the pots - trying to get them out - go ahead! Here are the votes for the vehicle, a la Maidan in 2004, something you can't hear ...

[imrek_ua]

Well, you do not evaluate all the people by politicians. I know one Ukrainian who, in the event of a batch, will definitely fight on the side of Russia :) Although I don’t want to fight.

[xan]

it's sick
why do we need patients?
we need those with which we can solve serious problems

[berimor]

You yourself are pushing us to the EU! You yourself are pouring water into the mill of the Ukrainian nationalists. You can't drag you into a "fraternal union" by force! Ukraine expected Moscow to lower the gas price on the proposal to extend the stationing of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, but the opposite happened. And the statements of various officials about the division of Ukraine, the revision of the borders (by the way, officially enshrined during the creation of the CIS), and the insulting hints of "historians from politics" that the concept of "Ukrainian nation" does not exist! You act like an elephant in a china shop. You will look around you. You have constant squabbles with your colleagues in the vehicle! Oh you, brothers Slavs! Chop the branch on which you are sitting!

[tilovaykrisa]

What GDP is dragging you to the EU or pushing it in the back with your foot ?? This is the decision of your president and KO, you want to join, enter no complaints.

There is a feature of the fraternal Ukrainian people, noticed not only by me, Moscow is always to blame for all its troubles (GDP, EBN, no difference).

[I am a Russian]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

There is a feature of the fraternal Ukrainian people, noticed not only by me, Moscow is always to blame for all its troubles (GDP, EBN, no difference).

+

Thanks for your kind words

[Egoza]

Quote: berimor

You have constant squabbles with your TS colleagues!

But with "squabbles on the vehicle" you need to deal with it very carefully. Literally today I read
on one respected resource they write - "Russia has increased the cost of gas for Belarus"
on another resource - "Belarus will pay for gas 2,5 times LESS than Ukraine"
And "both" are right! Due to the increase in the cost of gas in the world, Belarus will pay not 168, but 175 ... and this is 2,5 times less than the cost for Ukraine.
BUT WHAT IS THE SUBMISSION OF NEWS !!!!!
Well, I have the opportunity to "wander" across the Internet, while others do not. And they will believe in what comes to hand.

[rolik]

Quote: Egoza

BUT WHAT IS THE SUBMISSION OF NEWS !!!!!

And in the continuation of this news, Lukashenko’s meeting with Miller. Lukashenko said he doesn’t even have a single reason to swear at Gazprom. According to him, Gazprom is clearly fulfilling its obligations on gas supplies, payment of a transit tariff, and strictly complies with other agreements, including assistance to Belarusian children. Something like that.

[O_RUS]

Quote: rolik

According to him, Gazprom is clearly fulfilling its obligations on gas supplies, payment of a transit tariff, ...

Gazprom plans to increase transit gas through Ukraine

[rolik]

Quote: berimor

You yourself are pushing us to the EU! AT

Well .... again, the "damned Russians" are to blame. In everything, in the rain, in the snow, in the fact that the Ukrainian government stole everything, sold it and sold it again. There is one saying:
- There is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the mug is crooked.

[xan]

Quote: berimor

And the statements of various officials regarding the partition of Ukraine, the revision of borders (by the way, officially fixed during the creation of the CIS),

what did you want?
so that the Russians watch how the backwardness of the Russians, their eternal drunkenness and bydlota, is propagandizing on Russian territory, and all this when they were half-dead, and the Germans have 270? So, brothers Ukrainians? Why were you silent then, were you happy with everything?

[Misantrop]

Quote: berimor

You look around you. You have constant squabbles with your TS colleagues!

Well, let's take a look. And we will find (against the background of "constant squabbles in the TS") well, just the same touching unanimity in the EU. Well, just paradise, especially in Greece ...

[rolik]

Quote: rereture

many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on Red Square.

Fiction .... and not even scientific)))))

[AVV]

The people of Ukraine must say their weighty word !!! To be at the beck and call of the West or to develop their economy, create new jobs, develop their industry, and not be a dumping ground for waste from the European Union, and genetically modified shit from America !!!

[starshina78]

Brothers, we are brothers, but only the ambitions of the country's leadership and the pro-Western lobby in Ukraine prevail over reason. And I see about cooling in the economy of the two countries from my own experience. Earlier, our factory shipped billions of rubles to Ukraine, now it’s barely a million, but basically all the products went to Kazakhstan, within the CIS. And from Ukraine we take nothing more, but took it.

[rolik]

Quote: starshina78

. And from Ukraine we take nothing more, but took

And how now? Has it gotten worse or not?

[nnz226]

Some Ukrainian "brothers" fought against the Russians in the SS division "Galicia", and then in the forest "brothers" -Banderites. Moreover, it is not necessary to nod at excesses during collectivization and other mistakes of the Soviet government, since at that time they were sitting like a mouse under a broom in Poland, this is until September 1939 ...

[123dv]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

Of course, without minuses, BUT!
Given the current unfavorable dynamics, it is becoming increasingly difficult to hope for natural-peaceful relations, and a natural-military solution in some distant future is more likely, alas.
Ukraine is falling off. The Ukrainian oligarchy will never give its hunk of fat to anyone, they do not care that

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

... we are brothers!

and the fact that

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

mind must prevail

In the end, everything will lead to the fact that Ukraine as part of the coalition forces will take part in the attack on our country in the mid-twenties. But all of them will rake in full, and after this, the unification of peoples will be able to be completed.

[Tersky]

Quote: xetai9977

Someone is trying to pass out wishful thinking.

Like someone, the article is clearly spelled out; one of the Ukrainian TV presenters, Alexei Arestovich, who some time ago served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence,, but I wonder why this "strategist" and "tactician" was fired from the GUR of Ukraine, only for such shapkozakidatelny delights. This is the same Arestovich who promised in 2011 to slaughter the Russians in Crimea by the hands of the Tatars ..

[xetai9977]

Yes, I read the name. Aristovich, Rabinovich or Kaganovich - this does not change the matter. For the second time, an article has been published under the heading about the war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. This is already systemic. It's not about the surname. As Kozma Prutkov said, "look at the root"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: xetai9977

Someone is trying to pass out wishful thinking.

Read the article, then you will know who wrote it and what the psycho is talking about. Or
Good grass grows in those places

The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very combat-ready.
Yes yes yes yes it is
Ukraine, he is sure, to fight back, a very small army will be enough: “Thousands of guys will be enough.
At this moment, he scored the second jamb
This opinion was expressed by the Ukrainian TV presenter Alexei Arestovich, who under President Leonid Kuchma served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence.
This is a scout, it’s interesting now that the same ones work for Yanek

[Tersky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is a scout

Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish: Alexey Arestovich
In the past - a personnel officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Stock captain. Service activities were related to developments in the field of operational psychology, conflict resolution and psychology of extreme situations.

Since the 2002 of the year, he has been conducting trainings and consultations in the field of group psychology, combating unfair manipulations, the art of communication, oratory, negotiation techniques, public speaking, acting, psychology of social contacts.

He studied at the Odessa Institute of Ground Forces, the International Language School (UK), is studying at the Russian school of depth psychology "Man among the people." Theater and film actor, creator of the course on teaching the art of dramatic improvisation. The author of the book “The Alphabet of Chiron. Improvisation Drama Introductory Course. Interesting points in bold

[self-propelled]

Quote: Tersky

Interesting points in bold

Well, why are you like this? a person, you know, and a scout, and a speaker, and a psychologist, and an actor, and the author of books . in a word, seven spans in the forehead (or even eight). without such - boring (and with such - sad) ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tersky

Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish:

Ordinary Ukrainian
Hi Vitya

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Tersky Sasha, what kind of horseradish scout he is: Ordinary Ukrainian

How do you know that Ukrainian? Very unlikely. Rather, a specialist in Russian-Ukrainian relations. All his "creatures" evoke lively "friendship". Look for someone who benefits.

[klimpopov]

Wow!
I read and did not leave the feeling of the presence of heavy drugs in the blood
well, for example

Ukraine, he is sure, to defend himself, will be enough for a very small army: “Enough of thousands of guys. They do not need to crawl under the tanks. Let them not even enter into big battles, but destroy communications, communications, and attack small groups of occupants. And those 40 thousand will have colossal problems. And there are a thousand in Ukraine. ”

[transbiz-ka]

I fully support and applaud !!! A person in their right mind would not think of such a thing. ... Catch the addict ... so that he wouldn’t throw something into his misfortune. Sorry for the idiot.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: klimpopov

They do not need to go under the tanks. Let’s not even enter into big fights

Hi Klim! Foolishness in the head and foolishness in your pocket, as soon as you unfasten and you don’t start to carry

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ordinary Ukrainian

And the surname is typically Ukrainian Hi guys

[rolik]

Quote: Tersky

Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish:

So he turns out to be a lyceum? - cardboard clown)))))

[Baboon]

Moreover, the Ukrainian side is going to fight. You read a lot of such "patriots", I wonder if he enrolled himself in this "thousand guys"? Otherwise, it's easy to dispose of other people's lives and you can talk a lot. If only to find the enemy, the enemy in the west. From the west all this is sh * ted up. Over there in Germany, different nations live historically - Bavarians, Saxons, Prusaks, Silesians ... And it never occurs to anyone to quarrel. And we all want to embroil everything as Serbo-Croats.

[xan]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This opinion was expressed by the Ukrainian TV presenter Alexei Arestovich, who under President Leonid Kuchma served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence.
This is a scout, it’s interesting now that the same ones work for Yanek

Ukrainian scout - about the same concept as a Romanian tanker or a Mongolian pilot, well, you can add a Brazilian hockey player

[Civil]

It is enough to officially present the territorial demands to Ukraine in part of the Crimea, and they will not accept it anywhere ... but we will be immediately accused of aggression

[Orel]

Let Ukraine do what it wants, even if we do not like it. But then Ukraine should understand that Russia will do what it wants, even if Ukraine does not like it. It's just that if we do something in our interests, then everyone says that we are oppressing someone, and if Ukraine does something not in our interests, then it is striving for Europe and it should not be hindered. Let's be honest. Everyone seeks to protect their interest. So that economic and political confrontation cannot be avoided and you should not be offended, it’s just REALITY and ECONOMY and this must be taken into account ...

[tilovaykrisa]

There will be no war, we wait another 2-3 years during which the Ukrainians themselves outweigh the venal politicians and then unite, well, we will drive the zapadents to a heap, just the 1000 about which the Ukrainian veteran of the science fiction department of the Ukrainian Security Council spoke.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

well, and drive the zapadentsev to the heap,

hmm ... dear, but can in the case of a union, at the same time drive out Dagestanis, for example?

[xan]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

hmm ... dear, but can in the case of a union, at the same time drive out Dagestanis, for example?

No you can not.
live in Ukraine

[zmey_gadukin]

funny joked

[tilovaykrisa]

Yes, let's drive them to zapadentsev or vice versa zapadentsev to Dagestanis, as you prefer

[official]

Clarification. Not the Security Council of Ukraine, but the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. As they say in Odessa - "two big differences"

[chunga-changa]

Here we must talk about the antagonism between the leadership of the countries. Yes, it has a place to be, from the point of view of these gentlemen, war is possible, even may be desirable. Naturally, such a circus is completely useless to people, except for some scumbags.

[Hunghuz]

And you want a sho vi at Svidomo Ukraine kosher Kozak Orestovich ........ ???

[Apostle]

... thousands of fighters will be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. The host explained such a statement by the fact that the Russian army is part of the Soviet one, and at present it is not very combat-ready ... What the hell is this ??? What thousand soldiers? Who is this Arestovich, what are these implacable statements? What kind of war ?? If the Russian army sets foot on the territory of Ukraine, the whole east will raise the Russian flags, and under these standards will independently and with pleasure join the Russian Federation.

[rolik]

Quote: Apostle

... thousands of fighters will be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia.

This is for exhausting the enemy by running or something))))) ???

[artem772]

The antagonism between Russia and Muscovy has always been.

[tilovaykrisa]

I agree, that's just who the reason is, and this is a completely different issue.

[xan]

Quote: artem772

The antagonism between Russia and Muscovy has always been.

If not for Moscow, the whole world of Slavism would be forever oppressed, if at all preserved. The Baltic and German Slavs disappeared.

[FC SKIF]

Sahaka also thought that a couple of thousand would reach the Kremlin in a week. Ukrainians, urgently buy ties. At the expense of motivation: only people from Galicia hate her fiercely, and the East is more likely to meet Russian troops with bread and salt. But I don’t think that it will come to this — there will be nothing to eat in Ukraine, but the hryvnia can only be wiped, everything will immediately fall into place.

[Tersky]

Quote: FC Skif

Ukrainians, urgently buy ties.

They were long ago taken by Georgians from wholesale bases to clean. ..

[klimpopov]

You can send as humanitarian aid! Enough ties for everyone!
Greetings!

[Apostle]

One hundred percent: "... with bread and salt."
And how else do they meet the brothers ???

[Warrawar]

This is from the series:
How Estonians are preparing to stop the Russian army ... (documentary comedy)
The secret exercises of the Estonian Defense Forces on tactics and obstruction of the tank-motorized breakthrough of the Russian army were held at the test site in Tapa. Samples of the alleged enemy BTR-80, BMP-1 (donated by finals for the museum of technology), tracked Russian all-terrain vehicle, tank T-55 (rented from Latvia) were involved in the exercises. Also, Finnish armored personnel carrier (in my X-200) was used as the superiority of the NATO technology and for comparison.

Briefly, what the brave Estonian Zoldat says: "This is a training in creating obstacles for the Russian military equipment. With the help of a bulldozer and such a mother, we dug ditches and escarps of various configurations in order to experimentally learn the most effective way to fight Russian barbarians on rusty tanks . " Then he justifies all the way that he could not stop. Then, by order of the commander-in-chief, the crew specially puts the T-55 in the pit in order to justify at least somehow the costs of the exercises and demonstrate at least some kind of success. Ultimately, the Estonians build a wall of logs against which the tank rests and ... cannot overcome! The host of the program at the end pathetically declares "As you can see, we have nothing to fear from Russian tanks! As long as we have brave zoldates and as long as there are Estonian trees that will stop any Russian tank!"

P.S. The film does not show that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles can not only stupidly drive and drill to obstacles, but also shoot. By obstacles. Obstacles from the Estonian wood, the same as the head of the organizer of such exercises. Also bypassed is the fact that in any tank regiment. the brigade has special equipment with dumps and pontoons for overcoming natural obstacles and digging up caponiers. Also behind the scenes was the fact that tanks do not drive alone.

Conclusion - do not drive in Estonia on a lonely tank and everything will be fine. Come on three! )

http://jurialhaz.livejournal.com/331103.html

[rolik]

Quote: Warrawar

The film does not show that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles can not only stupidly ride and drag a drill at obstacles, but also shoot

And what is it they have on the BETER flashing set. This is like Kin Dza Dza, in time to sit in front of him and say - KU!
And how were these teachings called? - "Mighty bunch" probably))))

[Ammane]

And how were these teachings called? - "Mighty bunch" probably))))

No. Pissalacaccala))

[Darakht]

And they went to drink a horseshoe to them ?! With me booze and bacon. Guys, who will supply the equipment? Girls, oh yes, ride a tank with us in the woods :)

[left-wing]

Oh dear, ov's statements more and more resemble Baltic nonsense ...

[xan]

Quote: links

Oh dear, ov's statements more and more resemble Baltic nonsense ...

people go to Europe, what is already there

[rolik]

Quote: xan

people go to Europe, what is already there

Before that, abundantly soaping the ass.

[alexdol]

"The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very combat-ready." What can I say here: he is getting richer with a thought ...

[new nutella]

I am constantly jarred by this kind of news. There is a total policy of bleeding. Do not be this!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: newnutella

There is a total bleeding policy

Yes, but on whose side? Something I didn’t listen to such nonsense from ours, but from the Ukrainian side, it’s not a day, then a new song about the old.

[Corneli]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, but on whose side? Something I didn’t listen to such nonsense from ours, but from the Ukrainian side, it’s not a day, then a new song about the old.

It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, and amazingly selected (just to cause more negative), Ukrainians write and spread on the Russian site?
Well, about the "wonderful" author Boval, I had to wait almost a week for his next pearl. And I was not disappointed in this author.
Again the problem sucked from a finger and terrible punishment of heaven for not entering the vehicle. Moreover, in manipulating the author became proficient ... half-articles of frankly delusional remarks by an unknown journalist (who also became an intelligence officer of the SBU ). His "quotes" are presented just like extracts from the Bible. And the meaning of all this is simple. After reading such a verbose insanity, of course, even a normal and adequate Russian forum member will start to be indignant (and here there are enough vigorous ukroinophobes, they generally get hammered in ecstasy). Once again, after reading this insanity (and realizing that it is insanity), Ukrainians will start trying to explain something to them. And to no avail, since the "process" has already begun. As a result, we get another "srach", out of the blue and are waiting for the next "wanging" little article .... because the necessary heat must not only be kept in good shape, but also increased ...
P.S. It’s even interesting how much silver coins pay him for such pearls? Mr. Boval respond! ...

[xan]

Quote: Corneli

It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, and amazingly selected (just to cause more negative), Ukrainians write and spread on the Russian site?

Corneli, relax. We now know that there are Ukrainian intelligence officers.
I can only read about Ukraine here. You have about Russia in every, even the most zanyuhan, media every day something fart. Can you make a conclusion or not?

[Corneli]

Quote: xan

Corneli, relax. We now know that there are Ukrainian intelligence officers.

Well, I know many personally, only real scouts, and not unknown zhurnalyug who are served under such a "sauce", for the authority of their writing, some provocateurs.

Quote: xan

I can only read about Ukraine here. You have about Russia in every, even the most zanyuhan, media every day something fart. Can you make a conclusion or not?

I do not read "zanyuhannye media", bmp there "farts". And in the central news about Russia should be loved. As far as I know, in our country, a lot is tied to Russia, from trade to family relations, and it would be strange if no news were devoted to such a close neighbor (and a large country).
You read about Ukraine current here to see prices and at the same time you know what they write "even in the most sniffed Ukrainian media" about Russia. Conclusion, either you are lying about what they "write" (and read these sites too), or you do not read Ukrainian. sites (although if you are interested in Ukrainian news, there are much more of them than "bunches" about Russia) and again ... lying)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Corneli

It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, with amazingly selected

Ha, that's a joke I ask pordona, but all articles (including this one) are made up of Ukrainian "exploits" We are only discussing your delirium and the next stones in the direction of Russia.

[Corneli]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ha, here's a joke belay I'm asking for a pordon, but all the articles (including this one) are made up of Ukrainian "exploits" We are only discussing your delirium and the next stones in the direction of Russia. And so on laughing

Clear-panyatna ... Everyone sees what he wants to see.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Corneli

Clear-panyatna ... Everyone sees what he wants to see.

Of course, this is Russia to blame for everything.

[Corneli]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course, this is Russia to blame for everything wink

And where did I write that? If certain citizens / provocateurs want to inflate "necessary" (someone) moods, then it is not the country or the people who are to blame ... but a group of certain / criminal persons! In our Ukraine / Russia, I think, "business interests" (even without GEO-POLICY) are known ... and with US! and YOU! But if, personally YOU, would like to believe that in Russia, in the government, there are current "ISUS_CHRISTS" (everyone thinks about "the people" ...) then how can I convince you otherwise?)

[builder]

It is not clear why articles are published on the patriotic website (with enviable constancy) aimed at inciting hatred between fraternal peoples. Whose mill are you pouring water on?

[Fofan]

That is why, I am sure Yanukovych, one of the main requirements of Ukraine to sign an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trade activity with the Russians.

Yanukovych thinks that this Europe is becoming a colony of Ukraine? neighing

[Egoza]

Quote: Fofan

Yanukovych thinks that this Europe is becoming a colony of Ukraine?

He not only thinks so, but also declares that Ukraine will save Europe. Well yes! They are in a crisis and they will sell us all unsold and rotten products, so we will "save" their producers.

[ia-ai00]

... I’m looking for GLOBUS UKRAINE in stores, and I just can’t find it ... I’m probably over, people made it out ...

[Egoza]

Quote: ia-ai00

I am looking for GLOBUS UKRAINE in stores, and I just can’t find it.

Look in book markets, in stationery departments. But in general they are quickly snapped up for souvenirs. By the way, you can google "Globe of Ukraine" - buy. Maybe you will find it faster.

[ia-ai00]

Thanks for the advice! Looks like the markets ...

[Conepatus]

Do you have a Kazakhstan globe? If not, I can show it.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Conepatus

Do you have a Kazakhstan globe? If not, I can show it.

But somehow she (ia-ai00) has a very indirect relationship with the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan ..
She managed to roll more than one barrel to Kazakhstan.
So do not associate it with Kazakhstan
By the way, there are a lot of people like that here ... as a topic for Kazakhstan, this is how our "xoxlosrach" begins - to yours, however, as to Kiev on foot ..

[Conepatus]

I don’t associate. There are people like her (ia-ai00) who carelessly position themselves as adults, smart people. And you read their opuses, and you can’t understand who your opponent is. A dumb pimple child, or an adult who is crazy crying.

[rolik]

Quote: Egoza

Look in the book markets, in the stationery departments.

Better look in the books for the besteler "Great Ukraine, the savior of Europe" Author Yanukovych))))

[ia-ai00]

And thank you!

[Misantrop]

Quote: ia-ai00

I am looking in the stores GLOBUS UKRAINE

I recently bought a Crimean globe

[ia-ai00]

... handsome! I want this too!

[largus886]

Cool! Strategic and tactical thinking at the level of Kovpak partisans. But he had more than a thousand personnel, and probably fed fighters more satisfyingly!

[Rif]

"Strategic and tactical thinking at the level of Kovpak's partisans." - You found out about the partisan Kovpak from your dredge Goebbels, by the way he beat these geeks just in the ratio of 1/1000, even I.V. Stalin noted this, saying that one partisan behind enemy lines is equal to 1000 soldiers at the front. Read for general development http://www.vairgin.ru/2012-10-26-11-10-50/58-2012-02-14-18-35-01

[largus886]

Read carefully, about the partisans a bad word was not said! I know the history of the raids of Kovpak, Saburov and others well and not only from the series.

[Sega]

I'm just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples? How can a Russian go to war against a Ukrainian if they are blood relatives? I will not say anything about the rest, because about the combat readiness of both armies, you can simply remain silent. The leadership of Ukraine (judging by recent years) was bought with giblets by the West. I am 100% sure that the unification of the former Soviet republics of the USSR to the West is just like a bone in the throat. The West will not spare any money, so that God forbid Ukraine and Russia unite. The union of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (with a good coincidence of circumstances) will be a serious help for Europe. By combining efforts and creating a strong economy of the allied countries, Europe will "change clothes" and in the future the "offended" EU countries will crawl towards the East. In this situation, in 10 years the EU will cease to exist as a rival. Not all is well in the EU either. It is not sweet in the countries of the former USSR that have joined the EU. Priestly, they are silent and do not shout at every corner that they feel bad, and the EU does not allow them to open their mouths.
It's time to stop these squabbles and sit at the negotiating table before it's too late. The peoples of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia as one family, both literally and figuratively. What are we sharing? Simple people have nothing to share, but the leading elite will have to answer. That's just the choice of leaders is difficult, either to be with the people and return the grandmother who paid them, or climb to the West and get from the people. The second alignment is more to their liking, because putting it out of your pocket is harder than just (with unrest) dumping you out of the country.

[Egoza]

Quote: Sega

I am just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples?

Which author do you mean?
The article "Ukraine will have enough thousands of fighters to defeat Russia - opinion" see here
http://polemika.com.ua/news-126160.html#title
I was pleased with the responses of people to this opus (I will write below), but after all, young people can even believe! The scout says!

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sega

The simple people have nothing to share, but the leading elite will have to answer.

At least one of the freaks who ruined the USSR, was responsible for what was done? So these hope that they will have a gesheft, but will not have to answer

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sega

What the author smoked

Everyone is curious that he smoked, that you want to buy a dope of grass

[Denis]

Quote: Sega

What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples?

But this clown got his way. Who knew about him before? And now they say, such a PR

[xan]

Quote: Sega

I am just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples? How can a Russian go to war against a Ukrainian if they are blood relatives?

Come on, they fought in the revolution.
and Russians and Russians were chopped up so that examples similar to the fighting efficiency of the white color divisions cannot be found in WWII on all fronts

[Anatole Klim]

The sweet dream of European pi ... owls is to pit the Slavs together. The fragile minds are already driving the possibility of a war between Russians and Ukrainians.

[chushoj]

Just like now they drive in that Russia should abandon a friend of Syria, and begin to fight with its pederasts.
A country in which paratroopers admire the money of buggers-millionaires, and for this money they beat the faces of the Slavs, is worthy of everything that happens.
Neglecting someone who has experience and knows what to do.
You will notice that there is very little information that at least indirectly explains what needs to be done.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

All is not lost .. for Ukraine we will still fight. We are too much connected!

[Egoza]

(Continued)
- Is that a joke ???
- Probably over the summer uncle's head baked!
- 40 Russian occupants + partisan detachments consisting of residents of the South-East, who are really motivated by Galician Russophobia, in contrast to this notorious "thousand guys" and that's it, big hello to Svidomo.
- On which channel does this presenter work? Have they even reached the point of discussing a possible war with Russia? Yeah Poor viewers, what nonsense they do not drive into their heads.
"Oh, you fucking! He was going to fight, to destroy communications. Will you go to fight yourself? I think not, you will call from a warm studio to exploits. You should clean the snout, you idiot. Give him the ropes, ok. Go to Mishka, he threw Russia his hats too. .It is interesting how the mothers of the soldiers will thank you? No, well, you have to be so sick with all your head.
- Here it comes when the shit pops up during periods of turmoil. Either a moron, or a patient? In fact, a rare bastard!
- Stroteg, who is going to fight with their relatives in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine? Is it possible that they throw Benders with lads from Liberty dungs. So look so that they are not shot in the back.

[Egoza]

- I agree with the previous posts. I also see that the situation is slowly turning in the direction that I am writing about all the time. I also see that kopanks from the South-East without the help of a "kind and strong master" will be torn apart like rags by tuziks. Unfortunately, history teaches that it never teaches anyone anything. This means that bloody bruises on the fractured forehead will be provided. The history of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic is an illustrative example. After being used by "partners" as an improvised rag, it will be thrown into the trash can. Whoever disagrees with this will go missing. And yet, with regards to a thousand and what she can do. And he can do a lot of interesting things, especially against the background of Hitler’s hats throwing footcloths :) (the real fighting efficiency of such talkative “working masses” was shown during the uprising at the Arsenal “The January Uprising of 1918.” If you throw out the pathos and hymns loved by the local public, it would be better for the houses sat) Type in the search - Black Shlyki - for Ukraine to death. Read ..
- qwerty5, yes, there was also "Arsenal" in the history of Ukraine, when regular military units could not defeat practically unarmed workers for several days, and then about 2000 were shot! But when units of the Red Guard came from the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic of about 2000 people, these heroes fled to Poland! True, they covered their escape with a handful of students. One mystery - why the execution of the workers by the Petliurites is presented by you as heroism, and the revenge of the workers as the brutality of the brutal crowd?

- And this inadequate creature worked in the main intelligence department?! Poor country! Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge! Complete degradation! Overseas curators work well, nothing more to say.
- That is, the Ukraine project is so unviable that we are no longer talking about a developed state - the "patriots" are going to destroy (blow up) something that has not yet collapsed on its territory. Hike a note for the underdeveloped Bandera - they say we pissed away the country, but we will show them (holes) - blow up OUR bridges and roads. I just want to ask "Well, what's next, stupid people?" Can you impose an indemnity on Moscow? And why only against Russia to blow up YOUR infrastructure - Romanians and Poles will want their piece. In short, the "worthy" end of the Ukrainian Natsik - the corrupt, wow, fascist cattle.
- LORD! Protect our children from idiots from power!
"There are military orchestras! And the cost of their maintenance exceeds the cost of combat training. And what: they’ll crush the enemy with music and put them on a stampede!"

[Kibalchish]

Sadly, it is quite possible. It is enough to recall the events near Tuzla.

[Semurg]

Quote: Kibalchish

Sadly, it is quite possible. It is enough to recall the events near Tuzla.

As I understand it, the Ukrainian is going to fight on his territory, destroying communications, and not stepping on the territory of Russia. So the people of Ukraine admit that Russia can use the armed forces occupying Ukraine? In the light of the statements here on the site about the return of the eastern regions of Ukraine and Crimea to Russia, one probably should not exclude this option in the case of people dreaming of the revival of RI coming to power in Russia.

[Corneli]

Quote: Semurg

As I understand it, the Ukrainian is going to fight on his territory, destroying communications, and not stepping on the territory of Russia. So the people of Ukraine admit that Russia can use the armed forces occupying Ukraine?

No matter how funny it is, no one paid attention to it. Everyone savor the words of the "SBU spy" about the war Ukraine with Russia. Why fight Ukraine, no one thinks ... but it is clearly going to And immediately partisans, destroying communications on their territory, stealing everything necessary and poisoning the wells (like Scythians with Persians)

[alone]

dear Oleg, have to retreat to the mountains with parabellum)))

[Corneli]

Quote: lonely

dear Oleg wassat, will have to retreat to the mountains with parabellum)))

rather to the "Chernobyl forests" like Kovpak, since I'm from there ...)
P.S. Born 50 km from the famous Chernobyl ... at one time ...

[787nkx]

It seems that Ukraine will still be offered an argument that it cannot refuse.

[Egoza]

But it is not for nothing that this nonsense appeared when Russia showed its might in the issue of defending Syria. When it turned out that many countries support Russia and its president. And we declare "Why is Russia there, we are going to Europe." But the people are AGAINST! But who cares about the people!

[Dmitry 2246]

How quickly the alignment is changing.
Just yesterday, I thought that good neighbors have a chance to build successful trade relations.
Lucky Belgorod and Rostov on the Don.
Goodbye Ukrainian industry now forever.

[nemec55]

Yanukovych stressed that
respectful and partnership
Russia to Ukraine does not exist,

Well, gentlemen, the time of lack of care has ended, you have recently been associated as parasites.

[lotar]

I’m wondering why Ukrainian politicians were beckoned that they became in a pose. So, first of all, they care about their pocket, I understand, but don’t they understand that with the so-called competitive Ukrainian advantage over European goods there is a big question mark, whereas RF has the highest level of parity.

[svskor80]

Life will put everything in its place. I think it’s very tearfully asked back after some time. If you do not ask, then we, in turn, will not cry, that's for sure. Europe needs Ukraine only as an unstable buffer zone in front of Russia, and equal partnership, opening borders for goods is verbiage.

[Klim podkova]

This thousand was trying to somehow restore order in the Russian-speaking Crimea. We got a sopatka from the locals and left for our Galicia. This Arestovich, is he not at all friendly with his head? Eastern Ukraine is not the Lviv region, here there are no people who want to lie under Russian tanks chanting "Ukraine has not died yet". It remains to be seen who the local population will support in the event of a conflict, whom it will consider for the occupiers: Russian soldiers or Galician volunteers. It seems to me that the guys from the West will have a hard time.

[Brandashmg]

I answer the question in the article title.
War between Ukraine and Russia is impossible.
1.Find such a crowd of scumbags who can fight with their relatives, friends ... neither side will be able to.
2. In Ukraine there is no army. He served as an urgent 2000-2001, made sure.

[yuri_dashkin]

I live in Dnepropetrovsk, sometimes I communicate with local contract soldiers ... Directly asked four (at different times) whether they would fight with Russia, the three said - but sho, let's see who whom (((This is about the possibility of finding crowd of scumbags.

[31231]

proyepalti also going to fight with us. Only officials, but stupid young. Okay, at least Russia has its business to its throat, so as to rush at the younger brother.

[Sour]

Only officials, but stupid young.
Officials always start a war. And mostly young people directly fight. Have you thought otherwise?
It is clear that the workers and villagers are against the war. But they are always against war, and wars do not end.

[Jurkovs]

I've seen enough of American cinema, in my opinion it's called "A Thousand Spartans", but who will be invited to "the role of Tsar" Leonidas?

[Egoza]

Quote: Jurkovs

"Thousand Spartans", but who will be invited to "the role of the king" Leonidas?

Actually, the Spartans were 300. Only here, Tsar Leonid, we have no net and is not expected!

[novobranets]

Quote: Egoza

Only here, Tsar Leonid, we have no net and is not expected!

To rub the toothpaste with a toothpaste, will pass for Darius.

[Ustas]

That is why, I am sure Yanukovych, one of the main requirements of Ukraine to sign an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trade activity with the Russians.

Yeah, keep your pocket wider

Alexei Arestovich, who some time ago served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia.

Blessed is he who believes.

[ded_73]

Well, dear forum users, they are so smart!?! The author would like you to brand, condemn, and you ... Adequately evaluate the article and laugh at the military power of the Ukrainian army and the author. Shame on you.
The further, the more I am convinced of the desire of such authors as Boval to unearth more fried (or semi-rotten) and inflate, inflate ... Who is this Arestovich? Who knows? Well, the person expressed his opinion, what does he form the position of the state or the TV channel on which he works? No, his own and what has the amateurish to do with it, and now what? Such an inadequate sea, here you have, for example, Mamontov. And that, I don’t know about you, but we “sucked” his statement - "In a recent interview with the Russian Segodnya.ru edition, Mamontov said that the Ukrainians are preparing for a military provocation against Russia." According to our information, near Konotop from the western regions of Ukraine, a tank division, a helicopter regiment, several squadrons of Su-25 attack aircraft and fighters have been deployed, ”says the scandalous journalist. In his opinion, an entire military infrastructure is being deployed in eastern Ukraine.

“Against whom?” Mamontov asks and immediately gives an answer. “Of course, against Russia.” “The absurd accusations are mounting, and I do not exclude that a large-scale provocation may be organized in the near future - they may try to blow up a ship in the roadstead, seize a military facility on the shore,” Mamontov says. "(Http: / /baltvilks.livejournal.com/151716.html, http://blogs.korrespondent.net/users/blog/aosadchiy/a118003) Okay? My friends, what else are serving, laughed sadly. "Write mamo right at the polo."

[FireFly]

Quote: rereture

Russia has no brothers.

And why do you have such an obsession with brotherhood?
We need a more real approach to the question: Ukraine is an independent state, pursuing its own policy. And each has his own tobacco.
If you want, we trade normally with you, if you don’t want to, we trade normally, but with others. From the West for example.

[Yankuz]

Then, if Russia has to fight again with the West, then Ukraine will not stand aside, unfortunately. This is now integration into the EU, and then integration into NATO. For friendship with the West you have to pay - as a kind of buffer. And this is what they need for their kindred nations to brawl, but they stay away.
But Crimea will still have to be returned to Russia, since it is Russian! Was, is and will be! Khrushchev’s actions are simply illegal!

[FireFly]

A bit of history.

"During WW2, the Crimean economy suffered terrible losses. The population of Crimea decreased by almost half and amounted to 780. As a result of the Stalinist" nationality policy ", the indigenous population - Tatars, as well as Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians were deported from Crimea. The population decreased by another 000 230. Earlier, in 000, 1941 thousand Crimean Germans were deported.
After that, the peninsula was empty and fell into decay.

At the end of 1953, sown areas in Crimea occupied 696,7 thousand hectares - 90% of the level of 1940,
the yield of Crimean gardens became only 20 kg / ha, whereas in 1940 it reached 55 kg / ha;
grape yield was 12 kg / ha, which is 8 kg / ha less compared to 1940
The area under orchards and vineyards in January 1954 amounted to: in gardens - 86,8%, in vineyards - 79,2% of the level of 1940.

Collective farms and state farms were provided with feed only 37%, plans for the construction of cowsheds and calves in 1953 were implemented only 36,5%, poultry houses - 43%. The sheep stock was 83% of the 1940 level.

In 1953, the region did not comply with the tax collection plan, having not paid 6 million 60 thousand rubles to the treasury.

Extremely abandoned were the light and food industries. In 1953, the plan was not fulfilled by all enterprises in these industries. The region was unable to absorb the enormous funds allocated by the state for capital construction. Therefore, the Council of Ministers of the Russian SFSR only in Yalta was forced to reduce capital expenditures by 1953 million rubles in 5,2.

At the end of 1953, there were only THREE bread shops, 18 meat stores, 8 dairy stores, 2 textile stores, 9 shoe stores, 5 building materials stores and 28 bookstores [the most reading country in the world!] Throughout Crimea.
Trade in vegetables and potatoes in the public sector has completely stopped "

(TsGAOO: F-1-OP 52. Ref. 490. Ar.9.)

Ajubey, son-in-law of Khrushchev:
The "new" Crimeans mainly came from Russia, from the Volga, from the northern Russian regions. “This is what I am writing now,“ we have arrived, ”writes Alexei Adzhubey, and they shouted:“ They drove us in. ”Complaints were heard from the crowd:“ potato does not grow here, ”“ the cabbage is withering, ”and“ the bugs are stuck. ”“ Why did you go there. ? "- asked Khrushchev, and the crowd breathed out:" Deceived. "

Thus, due to the apparent inability of the Russians to farm Crimea, he was transferred (unanimously!) To Ukraine IN TRADE FOR to the Belgorod region, Rostov region, Kuban, part of the Kursk region (Eastern Slobozhanshchina, separated from the Kharkov region).

So Will you take Crimea - do not forget to return ours

[FireFly]

Quote: Yankuz

This is now integration into the EU, and then integration into NATO. For friendship with the West you have to pay - as a kind of buffer.

And what’s different with you? Russia initially sees its neighbors as a buffer zone in case of aggression. This is not so special, but historical reality - Russia does not know how to defend itself by the army, it is always protected by spaces and climate.
And what you did with your own hands of all your neighbors' enemies - so who is your doctor?

[yuri_dashkin]

The fraternity is really useless. Because the peoples of Valorossiya and Great Russia are not fraternal - this is one people. The problem is that the Galicians and Little Russians are not even kindred peoples, but completely different. And these Galicians now determine the policy of Ukraine. And Ukraine, by the way, is absolutely not only independent, but just a state. Since 2004, the Constitution has not been working, and that’s it. The president came to power precisely on his main promises - the Russian language is the 2nd state language, closer integration with Russia, and much more. Not a single point in the majority in parliament was not simply not fulfilled, but acted exactly the opposite. And by the way, what do you intend to trade with the West? The earth? Damn, why after nick all the time, instead of the Red flag, I got out a yellow-black block?

[bistrov.]

Quote: FireFly

We trade normally, but with others. From the West for example.

What will Ukraine be selling to the "West"? If the labor is cheap, then I agree with you. Yes, Ukraine is full of it now. As for everything else, Ukraine has nothing to offer the West, they do not know their own koiu to sell. So, it seems, they found a fool in the face of Ukraine. They will sell to her.

[Sour]

If cheap labor, then I agree with you. Yes, it is full in Ukraine now.
It’s strange. According to various sources, from 4 to 7 million Ukrainians on earnings abroad, the birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. And the workforce is still full. Are you exaggerating? But then it turns out that in Ukraine the whole economy has already risen.

[rolik]

Quote: bistrov.

What will Ukraine be selling to the "West"? If it is cheap labor, then I agree with you.

In Europe, this cheap labor without Ukraine in bulk will have to stand in line.

[77bob1973]

Someone does not allow you to trade, only customs prices and requirements for goods will be like the EU member states. Then it is not known who will sing about the fraternity first.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

if you don’t want to, we trade normally, but with others already. From the West for example.

Well, what to trade with the West? Assortment do not voice? Own ass and land for other people's bases and training grounds, nothing more was left ... Pancake businessman

[FireFly]

In addition to the geostrategic position, offhand:
Space rockets.
Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.
Engines for aircraft / helicopters.
Cars.
Harvesters.
Rolling stock for railway
Agricultural products.
Confectionery products.
Metal.
Fertilizers.

Z.Y. With the use of American technology - shale gas.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

Space rockets. Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.

And what (or who) is currently stopping this? Putin forbids?

Quote: FireFly

Engines for aircraft / helicopters.

Boeing with Airbus, already screech, all the waitresses ate Anyone who wants to buy something from this list is ALREADY buying. And more buyers something is not visible

Quote: FireFly

Cars.
Harvesters.

Let's revive the production of Zaporozhtsev? LuAZ was ruined, and Ukraine has never made more intelligent cars before. The Ukrainian "screwdriver assembly", alas, is no better in quality than the Chinese one. And Europe and its harvesters have nowhere to go

Quote: FireFly

Rolling stock for railway

First you have to do it for yourself, altering the gauge to the European standard

Quote: FireFly

Agricultural products

Bummer-s. Does not meet the standards. They have already written about confectionery products here, in Europe there is nowhere to go. Metal? The Indian will trade them there, especially when the remnants of metallurgy are raked up for themselves ... Fertilizers? Will they be? Now the "greens" from Europe will pour in a stream "to check the candidate for the eurozone for compliance with environmental requirements" ...

Quote: FireFly

Z.Y. With the use of American technology - shale gas.

Yeah, the USA has already made its way into world gas exporters, Kuwait will soon begin to squeeze IMHO except a giant zone of ecological disaster with these technologies Ukraine NICHRENA will not break off. Remember ...

[FireFly]

Quote: Misantrop

Anyone who wants to buy something from this list is ALREADY buying. And more buyers something is not visible

How is "nobody"? China is visible. Latin America...

Quote: Misantrop

The Ukrainian "screwdriver assembly", alas, is no better in quality than the Chinese one. And Europe and its harvesters have nowhere to go

The level will be higher than your screwdriver assembly. By the way, neither the USSR nor Russia have created a single car of their own design.
As for the harvesters, the Germans are probably fools who will rivet them in the Crimea ... amid the death of your Rostselmash

Quote: Misantrop

First you have to do it for yourself, altering the gauge to the European standard

What for? Your carriage production does not feel very well, and ours will fill a niche.

Quote: Misantrop

Agricultural products
Bummer s. Doesn’t comply with the standards. They have already written about confectionery products; there is nowhere to put it in Europe.

Our chicken already goes to Europe ... Which producer wants to live - will abide by the norms, that’s all. As with pastry.

Quote: Misantrop

Yeah, the US has already made its way into world gas exporters

For two years, they reduced their dependence on gas imports by half. In the 16th year they plan to go with their gas to Europe, and the Middle East will also go there due to the lack of an American market. An appropriate infrastructure is being built.
So we’ll see who will laugh well.

Quote: Misantrop

IMHO except a giant zone of ecological disaster with these technologies Ukraine NICHRENA will not break off. Remember ...

Technologies do not stand still, but are being improved. Now they are drilling several kilometers, horizontal wells. No damage to nature, groundwater, either.
See "Gazprom That Burst" Leontyev.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

By the way, neither the USSR nor Russia have created a single car of their own design.
As for the harvesters, the Germans are probably fools who in the Crimea will rivet them ...

GAZ-21, for example. I have, by the way. Great car, even though she's already in her sixties. Germans in Crimea will rivet harvesters? Probably on "Selhozdetali"? Well, well, I will definitely look at this miracle (if it suddenly happens here). But which side is Ukraine here? Do you trust the workshop?

Quote: FireFly

Technologies do not stand still, but are being improved. Now they are drilling several kilometers, horizontal wells. No damage to nature, groundwater, either.

"It was smooth on paper ..." (c) We will see

[rolik]

Quote: Misantrop

GAZ-21, for example.

I have a second NIVA car, a great machine for wood and dirt.
And Ukrainian combines, oooh !!! yayaya !!! will give is fantastic !!!! say the manufacturers of CLAAS combines when they see the Ukrainian device)))))

[rolik]

Quote: Misantrop

Let's revive the production of Zaporozhtsev? LuAZ was ruined, and Ukraine has never made more intelligent cars.

They still did Slavut, or do ??? And yes, all the assembly of other cars.

[Misantrop]

Quote: rolik

They still did Slavut, or do ???

Yeah, the owners call it Svolota. Extreme alteration of "Tavria". Joy when buying and even greater when got rid of

[Setrac]

Quote: FireFly

In addition to the geostrategic position, offhand:
Space rockets.
Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.
Engines for aircraft / helicopters.
Cars.
Harvesters.
Rolling stock for railway
Agricultural products.
Confectionery products.
Metal.
Fertilizers.

Dreamer

[rolik]

Quote: Misantrop

Well, what to trade with the West? Assortment do not voice? Own ass and land for other people's bases and ranges,

That's it on her, darling, I mean ass, and the respected businessman has all the hope

[FireFly]

Quote: Sega

I am 100% sure that the unification of the former Soviet Union republics of the USSR to the West is just like a bone in the throat. The West will not spare any money, so that God forbid Ukraine and Russia are united. The union of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (under a good combination of circumstances) will be a serious help for Europe.

Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.
If everything was equal - one thing, but ...

[bistrov.]

Quote: FireFly

Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

And you do not sign for all Ukrainians. We will hold a referendum and it will become clear to whom and what you liked.

[Jake danzels]

People will not go, with the scoop there was an idea to build a bright socialist future. Now what? Stuff pucks? So they agree without a union.
Belarus does not take into account, it all block the exit from her it was not special.

[FireFly]

But father, by the way, spits on the Customs Union further than he sees.
The only thing that Belarus got from the "older brothers" is hemorrhoids and eternal attempts to seize all Father's assets.
Putin has almost forcibly driven Armenia into the CU with the threat of a new Karabakh.
Do we need such a circus?

[rolik]

Quote: FireFly

Putin has almost forcibly driven Armenia into the CU with the threat of a new Karabakh.

Here it is .... the evil Russian uncle-president)))))) probably scare the naughty kids.
- Here comes the evil uncle Vovka and .... takes you to the customs union, if you don’t obey)))))))
You guys have once rushed to your bright future without a damned Moscow, in the early 90's, and how are things going now? Your leaders do not seem to learn from mistakes.
I do not know how Old Man spits, I did not personally observe it. But people just do not spit when the price of gas is cheaper than in Russia))))) And how are you with the price of fuel ???

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

The only thing that Belarus got from the "older brothers" is hemorrhoids and eternal attempts to seize all Father's assets.

And if you recall the fate of industry in the same Baltic states, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.? Is there another picture?

[Sochi]

Tell us about the equal rights in the EU for societal members, where Ukraine will have one vote against 28 ... Where Ukraine was not even asked what it wants but ordered what and how to do.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

Yes, and under your leadership?

Share the successes of YOUR leadership. Two decades have passed since gaining independence

[31231]

Slantsehazu like the author breathed in ?!

Well, at least such nonsense in Russia, only Natsik are offended.

[Ustas]

Quote: FireFly

Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership?

As far as I remember, the USSR was under your leadership. Khrushchev, Brezhnev.

[FireFly]

The CCCP was led by the CPSU / KGB / Komsomol. Which, by the way, ruined him.

[PROXOR]

Good riddance !!!!! Let me stomp into the European Union. And after 10 years, this is the second crisis in Greece. There will be no war between us. We have the glory of God enough sane people. Rather, an internal war is possible which will lead to the fact that the eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea will go to Russia and a couple of western regions will become part of Romania or Poland.

[Ivanovich47]

Quote: "Aleksey Arestovich, who some time ago served in the Main Intelligence Directorate, said that a thousand fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. "
Of course this is bullshit. I am sure that mentally normal servicemen are serving in the armies of Russia and Ukraine. They will not allow the delusions of television journalists to be embodied in a fratricidal massacre. But time is running out. Frantic anti-Russian propaganda has been launched in Ukraine. So what the future will show. But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact

[Egoza]

Quote: Ivanovich47

I am sure that mentally normal servicemen are serving in the armies of Russia and Ukraine.

It is so. Only here we are making an army of contract soldiers! Can a contract soldier express his "fairy" a lot (that is, not to carry out an order)? And do not forget that, for example, in Crimea, especially in Sevastopol, in recent years, most of all, guys with memory were sent to the army. Who, after the service, tried to settle there.
Unfortunately, there are enough idiot volunteers who are now actively trained by Svoboda in various camps for schoolchildren and youth. Only in which case it will again be like under Kruti. They threw a kid of high school students against the Red Army, and the authorities quickly hit the road. Well, now these victims are "heroes in the fight for Ukraine" If, God forbid, the scenario repeats itself, it will be the same.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Ivanovich47

But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact

I'll tell you a terrible secret. There, the Russians fought against the Russians.
Besides. How do you like the idea that 90% of the losses of the Russian guys were caused by other Russians? This includes unarmed columns and a drain of information and poor financing (respectively, poor communications, few turntables, planes, the use of outdated models of equipment) and politics. Yes, a lot of things.

[Igarr]

That should not be clever, huh?
Russians vs Russians ... mystery, damn it, great ...
There has always been and always will be - BUT, BUT - what is the reason ????
The most primitive question ...
Or a fight for ... lack of respect ... or against the Reds ... or just - PAID ... ???
In one case - the first two - you can even treat prisoners of war.
Paid - MERCEDES, PURE WATER. People for whom dying for money is a profession.
Well, do not be offended.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Igarr

That should not be clever, huh?

You contradict yourself.

[Peaceful military]

Idiots, especially on national grounds, have always had enough.
It is clear that there will be no war.
Ukraine has repeatedly been part of Poland, and even part of Sweden. All repeats.

[ars_pro]

Historically, everything is true, the east of Ukraine will stand and stand where it was born, it will come in handy there, and your relatives in Russia are also from the west, about whom the authorities in Kiev think the mater of Russian cities?

[Brandashmg]

Quote: Ivanovich47

But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact

Every family has its black sheep

[gladiatorakz]

It’s sad to understand how easily people are led to any stupidly slept provocation. Everyone sees themselves as analysts, fighters and patriots. And to prove this race write all sorts of nonsense about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. So who is doing more harm to Russian-Ukrainian friendship? Bendera (which there are very few) or stupid pseudo-patriots?
Author like bovulu - provocateurs, this is understandable. It is not clear why, so many people are led to such stupid provocations.

[Kars]

Quote: gladiatorakz

It is not clear why, so many people are led to such stupid provocations.

They like it, it's nice to feel exceptional, and to release sympathetic comments from high.

[largus886]

And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!

[Kars]

Quote: largus886

And equality must be earned

But I don’t need it, I would be quite happy with the most ordinary business partnership.

Quote: largus886

e.g. strong army and navy

You’ll be the first to start shouting that Ukraine is building up military power in order to attack NATO as the vanguard)))

Quote: largus886

developed industry

Yeah, you can see few competitors.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: largus886

And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!

It’s hard to come up with more stupidity. The output product information.

[xan]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Quote: largus886

And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!

It’s hard to come up with more stupidity. The output product information.

what is wrong here?
you can now easily claim equality with Honduras
ambition then reduce

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: xan

what’s wrong here? You can calmly demand equality with Hondurasomgonor now

That’s all for you. Do you miss Honduras? Each of your comments shows that you are a darn Honduran, i.e. root. For a long time I did not talk with impunity cattle. I'm frustrated. Anyway. The fate of you and so offended, without my help.

[xan]

Quote: gladiatorakz

That’s all for you. Do you miss Honduras? Each of your comments shows that you are a darn Honduran, i.e. root. For a long time I did not talk with impunity cattle. I'm frustrated. Anyway. The fate of you and so offended, without my help.

I repeat once again for those who are on an armored train, who do not answer in essence, but who gain ram and spit in their mouths
in the world among countries there is no equality and cannot be
do you, spitting a ram, agree that it is better for Syria to have Russia, and not Ukraine, as an ally? Where is the equality here?

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: xan

do you, spitting a ram, agree that it is better for Syria to have Russia, and not Ukraine, as an ally? Where is the equality here?

It’s hard to communicate with a moron. The conversation is not about the alliance of Syria with someone, but about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. As for who spits what, so the dog scribbled his comments. Not even a single intelligible one. There is no talk of politeness at all. Here is such a su.k.a. sits and spoils relations between Russia and Ukraine as well as bowals. Traitors to their people. Or mummers.

[xan]

Quote: gladiatorakz

The conversation is not about the alliance of Syria with someone, but about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine.

and what do you dislike about the relations between Russia and Ukraine?
Russia and Ukraine behave as they see fit and how they can behave.
Why are you constantly yelling about equality. You were offered - you refused. Russia has taken measures, as all adequate governments do - protecting its market. You protect yours. Are you dodik or do you need to explain political economy?
The example of Syria is an example of the equal rights of countries, although it was necessary to make an adjustment for your flawed IQ.
You don’t have to answer, your vomit from the barn is already tired, and there’s no desire to translate a worried ram into human

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: xan

You can not answer

Less muck write down. And it seems more like you are yelling about someone yelling. And put your Internet courage into your own point. If you had spoken like that on the street, you would have already hung at the peak or walked with a boat zh.pu closing, you can immediately see your cock breed.

[Darakht]

Quote: gladiatorakz

gladiatorakz

What are you nervous about, comrade? I have added this individual, as well as some others, to the black list and am satisfied. There is no possibility and desire to read the schizophrenic’s nonsense, which is why I advise you, as well as advise you to communicate less with idiots, their minds will not increase, which means this communication will only harm you.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Daraht

What are you nervous about, comrade? I have added this individual, as well as some others, to the black list and am satisfied. There is no possibility and desire to read the schizophrenic’s nonsense, which is why I advise you, as well as advise you to communicate less with idiots, their minds will not increase, which means this communication will only harm you

Absolutely agree. Thanks for the advice. I do not communicate much on the Internet, so I try to react as if in real life. And since in real life it does not work. (I would have lain such a smart guy with broken knees.) Well, here it is.
The point and what else. Add to second blacklist. But this is a kind of escape from the struggle. And it turns out that no one answers his vileness. How to be 1. Communicating with a moron (all the more so knowing that he is unpunished) is a dubious pleasure. 2. His bend extends to the form. And indirectly affects the interlocutors. Annoying them. And the slightest discrepancy in views, with the resulting irritation, translates into hostility. And further, like a snowball.
The hitch.

[Darakht]

My grandfather loved to talk, with a clever fight to gain intelligence. I try to adhere to this principle, although, of course, it doesn’t always work out when I feel emotion they start to take up above common sense - I start to ignore it. Well, you decide for yourself how you should be.

[xan]

Quote: gladiatorakz

The point and what else. Add to second blacklist. But this is a kind of escape from the struggle.

the last time I answer you, wrestler
Throwing poop, and this is what you do with a lack of arguments, this is not a struggle - this is a drain. When there is no answer to the essence of the question in the post, and there is vomiting - this is also a drain. You do not answer questions, you are rude in response, depicting adequat behind verbal tinsel. From this I draw a simple conclusion - you do not have enough brains, but there is nervous excitability. And from all this set you can make your mental portrait, but you will not like it. You unbalanced squelch is the most neutral.
And do not pretend to be an intellectual, ridiculous already.

[I am a Russian]

There are so many "heroes" behind the clave ....
cheap show-offs, not yet become a man man

Quote: gladiatorakz

I would have lain such a wise guy with broken knees.

mu8da8k you're not a gladiator

[MG42]

Quote: xan

although you had to make amends for your flawed IQ.
You don’t have to answer, your vomit from the barn is already tired, and there’s no desire to translate a worried ram into human

Quote: gladiatorakz

Less muck write down. And it seems more like you are yelling about someone yelling. And put your Internet courage into your own point. If you had spoken like that on the street, then you would have already hung at the peak or walked with a boat zh.pu closing, you can immediately see your cock breed

Gradually srach covers .. What in PM can not talk with each other?

[Yankuz]

Quote: FireFly

If everything was equal

And it will be equitable only in the Customs Union! That's the point! But Ukraine is fixated on its independence, and so it’s ready to give it more expensive to Westerners. But with them there will never be equality!

[FireFly]

Taunt you.
If someone is already a half-father, But father spits on the vehicle - then we have nothing to do there.
We are in Europe, in NATO, it is so calmer.

[bistrov.]

Of course, the author of the article made fun of the combat capability of the Ukrainian army. As for a thousand scumbags who will go to war with Russia, there is quite a lot of it and not even one. There are many neo-Banderites, especially from the western region, who are already grinding their teeth at Russia, these will go to fight. The question is for how long they will last, when they collide with a real military force, I think after the first serious battle they will skiddle all the way to Poland. And why should Russia attack Ukraine, I can’t understand? Let Russia say that it accepts the South, East and Crimea under its jurisdiction, and tomorrow these regions will be part of Russia. And without them, the rest of "Ukraine" will bend over within a few years, crawl on its knees. The only thing, the West, will join Poland. That's the whole war.

[knn54]

-bistrov. As for the thousands of scumbags who will go to war with Russia, then it is quite there and not even one.
Last year, in one of the programs, a KORENNOY resident of Lviv said that "we also have someone to greet Russian tanks ... with flowers."

[andrey777]

No one will attack Ukraine, moreover, if there is an attack on Ukraine from NATO, then Russia will not stand aside, but will help the fraternal people.

[FireFly]

Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO

[Corneli]

Quote: FireFly

Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO

Perhaps (more precisely, Ukraine is not going to attack Russia))) But NATO ... no! do not!!!
P.S. How Russian (sensible forum users) believe in the kinship and adequacy of Ukrainian brothers. So I believe that Ukrainians will not allow this! (In other words .... what m ... be his NATO?)

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Corneli

So I believe that Ukrainians will not allow this! (In other words .... what m ... be his NATO?)

they won’t give a word to say ... they’ll put it in front of the foxt Although there is little hope ... still 20 years of independence ... maybe the Ukrainians have learned something

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Corneli

Attention!

... it is possible ... it is not possible - it is not Julia's backside.

From the side we will see how the geyopa and amers will begin to tear and they *** bribe *******

[Darakht]

Quote: FireFly

Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO

Brother, you drive and drive not childishly! Do you want to Europe, USA? Go, just don’t drag the whole country there !!!

[FireFly]

Quote: Daraht

Brother, you drive and drive not childishly! Do you want to Europe, USA? Go, just don’t drag the whole country there !!!

And you yourself think and answer honestly to this question: what is the quality of life of our and your management, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live ...
When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.

[Darakht]

Quote: FireFly

And you yourself think and answer honestly to this question: what is the quality of life of our and your management, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live ...
When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.

So the oligarchs, they are in Russia, that in Ukraine they live well and abroad, we will not live so well abroad. We will live here and now. Well, and besides, do you think ordinary people in the USA live in Europe as well as they show us?

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

Think and honestly answer this question: what is the quality of life of our and your leadership, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live...
When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.

The example of the Baltic countries and practically all the countries of the former CMEA that have passed along the SAME road, as always, did not teach ANYTHING ... What, with the accession of all these countries to NATO has changed in these matters AT LEAST SOMETHING?

[rolik]

Quote: Daraht

Do you want to Europe, USA?

Who needs him there Just wait, do not wait for such a dressy lad

[Alekseir162]

... that in Ukraine there are people who are so confident in the combat power of their army

Actually, war is a pretty costly business. I do not think that someone would "harness" their budget for Ukraine. And about "fighting capacity" well, it's just ridiculous, well, several thousand thugs participated in hostilities in hot spots, so what (there are such in every country). And then what should Russia share with Ukraine?

[vkrav]

Cool title! Thank you, neighing! If possible, it’s only partisan and only in Western women .In order to fight, you need an army, not a herd of "furious Internet patriots of Ridnaya Nenki." Not for that, amers have been throwing bucks for 20 years on the demilitarization of Ukraine so that it has an efficient army.

[Bashkaus]

The war between Russia and Ukraine is EXCLUDED! my wife is a citizen of Ukraine, so I took it and went with a gun to fight my relatives, mother-in-law, nieces, etc. Russia and Ukraine are fraternal peoples, if not united. I’ll rather go with my bare hands to strangle the wiseacres who just raise such provocative questions and woe to anyone who in reality tries to organize such a war.

[Setrac]

Quote: Bashkaus

The war between Russia and Ukraine is EXCLUDED! my wife is a citizen of Ukraine, so I took it and went with a gun to fight my relatives, mother-in-law, nieces, etc.

I’ll go to Kiev to my relatives at the expense of the state

[VadimSt]

Another delirium, "Svidomo" schizophrenic! Well, he loves himself .......

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[ko88]

eastern Ukraine, it is two-handed for Russia, but Western Bendery ... they are always very happy when something bad happens in Russia or things go wrong ..

[Anper]

The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using for this the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. ??????

[Egoza]

Quote: Anper

The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. ????????????

You can declare anything you want. especially if you need it for your own benefit. According to various polls - "For the EU" - 48%, "For-TS" - 36%. We know how and with what contingent the polls are conducted. But even under such conditions, more than 50% was not accumulated. So where is the "majority"?

[FireFly]

Pure mathematics: 48 is more than 36.
Again, this is without discounts on those who conducted the survey.
In the light of your recent candy aggression, I think there will be another 10-15% plus for the EU.

[Setrac]

Quote: FireFly

In the light of your recent candy aggression, I think there will be another 10-15% plus for the EU.

Oh, already "candy aggression". Has it hurt badly?

[faint27]

I read the title, I don’t even want to read further!

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

Of course we are Slav brothers, after all, Russia was once Kievan, but if the war starts, it will simply be the destruction of Ukraine! How can the countries of the former USSR generally hope for something if their territory is not larger than the Ryazan region, and all the weapons came from the same Union, and in general there would be no doubt about Georgia 08.08.08.

[Sashko07]

You got the site topwar.ru to incite ethnic hatred, if you really want the war between Ukraine and Russia, then we will be the first to cut you, for years anti-Ukrainian articles have been laid out, thereby causing the inhabitants of Russia to hate everything Ukrainian that is incomprehensible even to them!

What a day is not necessarily a piece of g ... in the direction of Ukraine on your site! Have you been beaten by Ukrainian-speaking boys in childhood, or God forbid, raped?

[Imperial]

Pan "cutter", what do you want to do with such sites as a correspondent, censor, zahid? And what for me is this little piece of paper, just a human grantor, and all this orgy will dissipate after the signing of the association. But here's what's interesting, and what will happen next? After all, manna will not fall on the heads of the Ukrainians, what will you sing in a year? although I already guess, paraphrasing the saying, if there is no water in the tap, they drank water m ... and

[T80UM1]

By the way, you’re right when reading the articles, as a third-party observer, I began to unconsciously take a hostile position towards Ukraine; I wonder what the immediate sides of this article are.

[romb]

Why be surprised. In fact, it’s very convenient, under the cover of various patriotic slogans, to carry out such large-scale events to train new hamster sonderkommands. These kinds of articles by individual authors are the tool with which the next public opinion of the vast majority of Russians is built.

[grafrozow]

Quote: T80UM1

By the way, you’re right when reading the articles, as a third-party observer, I began to unconsciously take a hostile position towards Ukraine; I wonder what the immediate sides of this article are.

The article is complete nonsense, Russia and Ukraine will not fight each other, there are many economic disagreements, but this is not a reason for military action. Who knows how many soldiers with Ukrainian roots in the RA, and soldiers with Russian roots in the UA? The names of the armies are different, and the ethnic composition is almost the same. In the UA, not only Ukrainians by nationality serve, but citizens of the whole country, i.e. and Armenians, Tatars, Greeks, Jews, Bulgarians, Kazakhs ... Speaking about Ukraine, for some reason they do not remember that, like in Russia, the country is multinational. I cannot imagine a Tatar with a Ukrainian passport shooting at a Tatar with a Russian passport, this refers to to all nationalities. The provocative article, the meaning is to switch the attention of your people from internal problems to mythical external enemies. What kind of war in general, if our "guarantor" calls us to save money and has already announced a reduction in funding for the Russian Armed Forces? My mother and sister live in Ukraine, and what, my son will go to fight with them ??? And I'm not the only one here, half of the North is from Ukraine. We have our own problems in Russia today, only billions of rubles are required to eliminate the consequences of the flood, and this is not the only problem. In short, there will be no war with our neighbors. , not up to this now. Better to be friends, but our rulers are muda .. and in no way can they find a common language and this is not encouraging.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: grafrozow

I can’t imagine a Tatar with a Ukrainian passport shooting a Tatar with a Russian passport

Some part of Ukrainians and Russians quite admits the idea of ​​war, but the Tatars will not fight each other under any circumstances. Even if they adhere to opposing political or religious views. The Turks do not have civil wars. Even during the Second World War, the soldiers of the Turkestan Legion and the Volga-Tatar battalions refused to fight against the Red Army, since they can’t shoot at their own.
The Tatars have a famous play written on the basis of real events, like during the Winter War two soldiers met in the forest - the Soviet Tatar and the Finnish Tatar (a small Tatar diaspora lived there from the pre-revolutionary years). They learned about each other's ethnicity, because one of the soldiers was humming a Tatar song. They stood, chatted in their native language and dispersed in different directions, without causing each other harm, of course.

[BAT]

Hey, "cutter", but "cutters" do not fall off? Look first, who is the author of the article and where does he live?
And about inciting ethnic hatred, it’s not the right place. Your great helmsman, Professor Yanukovych, has long since begun to do this for the sake of all the frantic Western Ukrainian Natsiks.
and further. To cut us in the event of a war (if it, God forbid, starts between us, which I personally doubt very much), then you first get from Kharkov, at least to Belgorod. I am not talking about Kaluga. where I currently reside.
Already one such djigit from the Caucasus in 2008 threatened to burst into Moscow on the shoulders of the Russian army. Even the valiant amers did not help ...

[general]

Sashko - give me five !!!
Locals drive non-local, monarch-scoop seasoned with chauvinism - that's their icon and fofudya;) Especially they deliver nicknames like "imperial novels" or something like that. They have a club for their interests, a meeting place, they are about military affairs, equipment FSUs, give them someone weaker - to humiliate them to their fullest. Very few are capable of discussion.

[Setrac]

Quote: Sashko07

What a day is not necessarily a piece of g ... in the direction of Ukraine on your site! Have you been beaten by Ukrainian-speaking boys in childhood, or God forbid, raped?

Because, then, the Russians will have to rake up the bunch of crap that comes after association with the EU.

[BAT]

I already wrote that I was a talented provocateur. I was then bombarded. I will repeat again. Povoval - PROVOCATOR !!! Pop Gapon nervously smokes on the sidelines.

[ded_73]

I join! Only now I'm sure that Boval does not exist at all. So, a team of authors, or rather Internet scourers. "Kukryniksy" kind of ...

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: bistrov.

Quote: FireFly

Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

And you do not sign for all Ukrainians. We will hold a referendum and it will become clear to whom and what you liked.

It’s like in America, a country with a government of shit, and people are now commenting on Putin’s article adequately, and in Ukraine where there are 10% of anti-Russians, and the rest Russians and Ukrainians criticizing anti-Russian sentiments, do they lie to be a war! The Ukrainian government is flying until the west points it to them and shuts up!

[Andrey Peter]

Quote: FireFly

And why do you have such an obsession with brotherhood? We need a more real approach to the question: Ukraine is an independent state, pursuing its own policy. And each has his own tobacco.

Ukraine has always depended on someone else. And as for fraternal relations, it’s not only fraternal that I have half of my relatives from Ukraine and many acquaintances. I always considered us to be a single people.

Quote: FireFly

Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

Yes, unfortunately, it is no longer soviet, and moreover, here the leadership is offered to you to join the customs union, and not in the USSR. So, think about it first and then write.

[FireFly]

Quote: Andrew Peter

Yes, unfortunately, it is no longer soviet, and moreover, here the leadership is offered to you to join the customs union, and not in the USSR. So, think about it first and then write.

What is the difference? In your TEC, the votes are distributed according to the size of the economy, that is, Russia steers the same way.
But we don’t need such a circus.

[es.d]

Ukraine in the EU will sweep Germany off the throne? Did you understand what you wrote? De Beals And in the rest - forward, with songs. When will you start to change the railway track to the European standard (one of the conditions of the agreement)? Yes, at your own expense! This is only one of the conditions ...
At the expense of the "war". I can see my wife (nee .. but) biting me for .. Eeeee ..

[pavlo007]

I have always said that there is no alternative to the war with "Ukraine". The very existence of this puppet formation in the occupied southern Russian lands is a national humiliation of Russia and excludes its further existence.
I have a war with the puppet Reichskomisariat "Ukraine" and not with the Russian people living in the temporarily occupied territory. But with the so-called "Ukrainians" will have to fight because it is not a nationality but a political position. With the ROA, by the way, there were very tough battles, even tougher than with the Germans, since the traitors had nothing to lose.

[FireFly]

An alternative - it is always there.
You, for example, need to go to a mental hospital and be treated. if it doesn’t help, stay there forever.
Here is such an alternative, panimash

[Kars]

Soon, Belarus and Kazakhstan joined this ban.

23 August 2013 | 16: 31
The State Sanitary and Epidemiological Surveillance Committee of the Ministry of Health of Kazakhstan did not find any violations of the product quality of the Ukrainian company Roshen, said the deputy chairman of the committee, Nurken Sadvokasov.

"The study of the confectionery corporation Roshen's sweets has been completed ... The investigated samples meet the established hygienic standards. There is no Kazakhstan, "Sadvakasov specified.

Accredited laboratories investigated 101 type of sweets produced by Roshen (Kiev, Mariupol, Vinnitsa (Ukraine), Lipitsky (Russia) confectionery factories). The products were tested for the content of heavy metals (lead, cadmium, mercury), aflotoxins. In addition, sweets were tested for benzapyrene.

As reported, Rospotrebnadzor introduced a ban on the supply of confectionery products from the Russian factories of Roshen Corporation to the Russian Federation due to inappropriate quality. Later, Rospotrebnadzor formally asked Kazakhstan to ban the import of Roshen confectionery products.

Belarus has banned the import into its territory of the products of the Inkerman vintage wine factory,

There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wines LLC into the Republic of Belarus. This was reported in the press service of the enterprise.

Thus, according to the message of Inkerman Factory of Vintage Wines, LLC sent a batch of wines in an assortment of 4 items to the Republic of Belarus in accordance with the Contract for the supply of alcoholic beverages.

"According to the information from the accredited certification body RUE" Scientific and Practical Center of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus for Food "(letter No. 15-9 / 2059 of 22.07.13) - 05.07.13, ordinary table semisweet white wine" Legenda Inkerman "was tested.

Based on the test results, the certificate of conformity No. WU / 112 03.13.038 2063 6 was suspended, but only for the 1 position. Since the validity of the certificate of conformity extended to 4 positions of wine, one of which was recognized as non-conforming, the certification body issued a new certificate of conformity to other 3 positions, ”the message said.

So, the other three positions of wine correspond to the requirements of regulatory documents of the Republic of Belarus and are subject to further implementation.

There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wine Plant LLC into the Republic of Belarus.

[pensioner]

Quote: Kars

There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wine Plant LLC into the Republic of Belarus.

Will be...

[Kars]

Quote: retired

Be.

Are you a prophet? But in fact, they wrote a lie in the article.

[Corneli]

Quote: Kars

Are you a prophet? But in fact, they wrote a lie in the article.

He is not a prophet, he is a senior citizen. But in fact, in such articles it’s more ukroinophobic than his comments - you need to look. Such pure and uncomplicated hatred is rare. ONLY negative comments, no facts, no discussion.

[pensioner]

I may not be a prophet. Although regarding Ukraine, prophecies are not difficult to do. The author just looked a little into the future. And from myself I’ll add. According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could start writing statements on their own ... With one project organization from Ukraine (in the same place in the North) in case of signing an agreement with the EU the contract will be terminated (they wanted to extend it). Like this. And this is just what I directly know in this regard ... Especially I WILL SEEK. So, there will be EVERYTHING.

[Kars]

Quote: retired

all Ukrainians working in it, that they can begin to write statements on their own.

let them go home.

Quote: retired

in case of signing an agreement with the EU, the contract will be terminated

then stop.

Quote: retired

The author just looked a little into the future.

is it now so called a lie?

[pensioner]

Quote: Kars

then stop.

Correctly. Own existence. Where will they design gas pipelines in Ukraine?

[Corneli]

Quote: retired

According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could start writing statements on their own ... With one project organization from Ukraine (in the same place in the North) in case of signing an agreement with the EU the contract will be terminated (they wanted to extend it). Like this.

Q.E.D. It would seem, what does the CU "fear" have to do with that in case of signing the ZTS, European goods will go to Russia under the guise of "Ukrainian". The main emphasis in the summer "wars" was it on this? And neither workers, nor "design organizations" are subject to customs and the alleged import of counterfeit goods. And here on those ... do not do what we want (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...

[pensioner]

Quote: Corneli

And here on those ... do not do what we want (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...

Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...

[Corneli]

Quote: retired

Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...

The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...
An excellent justification for the actions of your country, which you justify and consider to be correct, unforgetting to look for "logs" in the actions of Ukraine ...

[xan]

Quote: Corneli

The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...
A great excuse for my country’s actions,

That's when they will drop bombs, then you'll roll a barrel to Russia.
And now your ideals of democracy are doing this

[Corneli]

Quote: xan

That's when they will drop bombs, then you'll roll a barrel to Russia.

"When they will," I will do other things. And so ... there is a reason, and you can ride. And excuses in style are not something we do (bad) but "the world is so distressed ..." everyone loves and sucks when it is convenient for them. So everything is correctly written there, and the parallel is correctly drawn.

Quote: xan

And now your ideals of democracy are doing this

No more than your imagination, the West and its culture (in its modern form) are not my "ideal", they have reached the point of absurdity in everyday life and have gone too far in foreign policy.

[xan]

Quote: Corneli

And excuses in style are not something we do (bad) but "the world is so distressed ..." everyone loves and sucks when it is convenient for them.

you believe that we are pressing you - we believe that our government protects our market
you have your own truth, we have our own - that's how the world works
Do you want justice among states?

[pensioner]

Quote: Corneli

The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...

Yes, in which case you will also hang these missiles for him. Somewhere out there, deep in your soul, you will say: "Forgive me, Lord!", But you won't let go of the wrench and wave your pen afterwards ... But why? Yes, because:

So the world is arranged ...

[Corneli]

Quote: retired

Yes, in which case you will also hang these missiles for him. Somewhere out there, deep in your soul, you will say: "Forgive me, Lord!", But you won't let go of the wrench and wave your pen afterwards ... But why? Yes, because:

With a rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) Russia (especially in the face of various "pensioners" with symptoms of megalomania) YES! Only before the control in the head (and uttered in the soul "God forgive me") Only the last words, just in the face, such "attackers" would be "Whoever comes to us with a sword, he will die from the sword!" (exceptionally, I could add your "immortal" quote ... "WELL WHAT TO DO .... SO THE WORLD IS ORDERED")
P.S. And actually, I’m deeply on ... who will attack my country! Who attacks, that ur! And must die! With all the consequences!

[Misantrop]

Quote: Corneli

During the rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) of Russia

And in the opposite situation, if Ukraine is forced into an attack on the Russian Federation as part of a European Union rabble (under the threat of non-acceptance in the EU and closing customs)? Do you think SUCH is impossible? And who would believe 20 years ago that Georgian peacekeepers would slaughter their sleeping Russian neighbors in the bloc, and then strike the MLRS in Tskhinval’s sleeping peaceful neighborhoods?

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

And in the opposite situation, if Ukraine is forced into an attack on the Russian Federation as part of a European Union rabble (under the threat of non-acceptance in the EU and the closure of customs)?

The alignment is of course interesting - but only WHY and HOW? A living wave or something? Or is it all the same easier to hit the Leningrad and Moscow from the Baltic countries with tomahawks? From there closer than from Ukraine.

Quote: Misantrop

that Georgian peacekeepers will slaughter their sleeping Russian neighbors in the bloc, and then strike the MLRS in Tskhinval’s sleeping peaceful neighborhoods?

and what’s wrong with that? Georgians didn’t beat them on the territory of the Russian Federation. And the war there was in the 90's, so there was nothing surprising, and the Europeans vryatly beat the Europeans at that.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

That's just why and how?

This question is better to ask Saakashvili. What he REALLY hoped, starting a war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Just do not answer, cattle ... Most likely, he himself is not in the know. He was ordered, he commanded. The owners most often do not explain their lackeys, only command

[FireFly]

Quote: Misantrop

This question is better to ask Saakashvili. What he REALLY hoped, starting a war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX

And you do not need to expose yourself in the events of 888 as white and fluffy.
And it turns out funny: the exercises were held - the troops did not withdraw - the provocation of the Georgians - and we are already right there! Here is luck, huh?

In one, Sahak laughed: the Roki Tunnel did not blow up while there was an opportunity. I believed in your fables about the alleged removal of the wounded, the humanist horseradish, lost time and almost lost the country.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

Sahak was in one: he didn’t blow up the Roki tunnel while there was an opportunity

If he had the opportunity, he would have done it. Humanism has nothing to do with it ...

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

This question is better to ask Saakashvili

But I didn’t ask you questions in Georgia, therefore, sookashvili has nothing to ask me about.

Quote: Misantrop

He was ordered, he commanded

Who ordered that? And why? The US needs a base in Tskhenvali))

Quote: Misantrop

The owners most often do not explain their lackeys, only command

Well, I don’t know, if the owners - why is everything so poorly planned? Even I cherish the hope that I would have planned much better, so that everything would have lasted much longer.

[xan]

Quote: Corneli

YES! Only before the control in the head (and uttered in the soul "God forgive me") Only the last words, just in the face, such "attackers" would be "Whoever comes to us with a sword, he will die from the sword!" (exceptionally, I could add your "immortal" quote ... "WELL WHAT TO DO .... SO THE WORLD IS ORDERED")

Internet terminator, give an example of successful protection of your land by Ukrainians
and with tongue you are experts

[Setrac]

Quote: Corneli

With a rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) Russia (especially in the face of various "pensioners" with symptoms of megalomania) YES! Just before the control in the head, (and pronounced in the soul "God forgive me")

Well, how do you imagine the Russian attack on Ukraine?
Tank columns going southwest, Russian aviation bombing Ukrainian cities and a million soldiers with AKMs at the ready storm the Ukrainian border? This will not happen.
Remember how they took Afghanistan.

[31231]

And what are you unhappy with ?! We have to employ our own. And these places will not be empty. Does your leadership think about you ?! So why should ours think about you ?!
Tomorrow, Yanyki will call cheaper Chinese to your place, will you like such a policy ?! Here is our right to employ citizens of our country, and not the neighboring one. Yes, we are brothers! But why is our leadership to blame? What is your thinking?

[FireFly]

Quote: retired

Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...

The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.

[pensioner]

Quote: FireFly

The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.

[Ruslan67]

Yura Hi That so few emoticons set? It would be better

[FireFly]

Quote: Ruslan67

Monkeys also know how to make faces ...
And as for gas - very soon you will experience all the charms of the lack of marketing for your loved ones.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: FireFly

Monkeys also know how to make faces ...

Are you about yourself?

Quote: FireFly

very soon you will experience all the charms of a lack of marketing for your loved ones.

Well, we then gasify what we can’t do now due to the released volumes. But how will the green look at the situation when you drag the last log into the stove? And good advice, before you be rude to someone, ask who is hu? And then your life on the site will be very short

[rolik]

Quote: Ruslan67

drag the last log into the stove?

And who will be the last log ????)))))) It seems to me that it will be the wise Yanukovych)))))))

[BAT]

Yarik, didn’t you think that unlike you, besides gas and oil, we still have a lot of all sorts of useful things that are very important for normal human life? And our industry is slowly, albeit very slowly, but very confidently gaining momentum. Again, unlike you ...
So in three years we’ll see. who and where to crawl.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.

Hello, Baba Wang!

[xan]

Quote: FireFly

The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.

a voice came from the barn.
I would immediately write that you are a woodpecker
although I wrote something like this

[rolik]

Quote: FireFly

The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil

Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha Petrosyan is resting))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Everything ..... nothing more to say)))))))

[xan]

Quote: Corneli

And neither workers, nor "design organizations" are subject to customs and the alleged import of counterfeit goods. And here on those ... do not do what we want (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...

no need to dissolve snot here
independent - take action
"All great countries behave like bandits, little like prostitutes" (Stanley Kubrick)

[grafrozow]

Quote: Corneli

Q.E.D. It would seem, where does the "fear" of the TS,

The pensioner threw in misinformation, not all firms hire foreigners, but if this happened, here in the North we would be the first to know, and not from "third" hands.

[pensioner]

Quote: grafrozow

The pensioner threw a misinformation

No, not disinfect. A friend from N. Urengoy said. They asked Ukrainians at the company ... Maybe it’s not connected with the FTZ, but it’s a fact. How many of them are there - I don’t know. And I know about the designers. Communicated with them in March of this year. Here there really some technical things come up in connection with the entry of Ukraine into the FTZ. They explained to me, but I didn’t really get it.

[grafrozow]

Quote: retired

No, not disinfect. A friend from N. Urengoy said. They asked Ukrainians at the company.

If the whole "firm" is three people, and one of them is Ukrainian, then I believe. I don’t know the gas condensate firm in N. Urengoy, please enlighten.

[pensioner]

Quote: grafrozow

N. Urengoy gas condensate company, please enlighten.

Good. Tomorrow. I mean today.

[31231]

Vankorneft ?! In Severgazmontazh and Burgaz there are many Ukrainian citizens. True, many have already received Russian citizenship. I feel sorry for them. Good working men become hostages to politicians.
I have a good friend. Former nominal Westerner. We met several times on the "pipes". The first time we met, he asked him Who voted for Yuscha. He answered me Yes, my fool, yes, her relatives. Last time I saw him 3 years ago. Divorced. Received our citizenship and bought housing in Krasnodar.

[grafrozow]

Quote: 31231

Vankorneft ?! In Severgazmontazh and Burgaz there are many Ukrainian citizens.

I’ll add, to RITEK, GHS, FTA-drilling, ANGS, I can add, and this is only for Nadym.

[rolik]

Quote: grafrozow

I’ll add, to RITEK, GHS, FTA-drilling, ANGS, I can add, and this is only for Nadym.

There are a lot of Ukrainians in the Arkhanegle province, as it has long been so. Absolutely normal-adequate people go to Ukraine only to help relatives. I am personally acquainted with the head of a construction company from the region, a very decent and again decent guy. About him only in positive emotions. How people change, it is only necessary to come to Russia, and immediately become sane. This is what normal work means; it ennobles a person. And when it is not and is not expected, everything becomes very sad. Writing begins with signs of schizophrenia and megalomania. And the hu ..... her affairs (sorry worse) in the homeland of the writer, the more clearly the above diagnoses appear. Naturally, this is not said about all visitors, but only about those who have already begun irreversible changes in their MOSCOWS (this is not a typo), it is MOSCOW, and not the brain, that is responsible for the thought processes of such individuals.

[pensioner]

Quote: 31231

Vankorneft ?!

No. By gas condensate ... N. Urengoy. Oil producing is by inertia I wrote.

Quote: 31231

Divorced. Received our citizenship and bought housing in Krasnodar.

Our person.

[grafrozow]

Quote: retired

According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could begin to write statements on their own ..

All the same, write the name of the company, very interesting. Oil and gas production is not a sewing of underwear, here "cooperatives" do not work. Please, facts, not rumors.

[aszzz888]

Satan, that self-serving and low,
wants the brothers to pit mongrels,
to tear your jackpot off satanic,
on brothers shed blood.

An aspen stake to this Satan, or a silver bullet. But it’s impossible!
Now we are not brothers and not neighbors?
But what about Kievan Rus?
Or it was so long ago that one could not remember. But what about the people!

[Cristall]

Circle the article in a frame and remember it - a worthy piece of media.....
and people like them create trouble in our heads.....
Think with your head and not with your articles.... Info weapons are the most terrible - and our country has already fallen under them once before.
they, like a trickle, like water, slowly erode the foundation of beliefs and time... they set up and provoke everything negative so that we do with our own hands what no one has been able to do militarily.....

[Sochi]

The article is not special, but quite correct. A person has the right to express his opinion and not the statements of Ukrainian idiots... A person with a normal psyche, unlike Arestovich, will not carry such nonsense on television. And by the way, I’ve never seen anything like this in relation to Ukraine on Russian TV... So it’s not Russians who are being brainwashed, but Ukrainians, and quite successfully. I hope that there are not enough adequate people in Ukraine for everyone...

[Corneli]

Quote: Sochi

The article is not special, but quite correct. A person has the right to express his opinion and not the statements of Ukrainian idiots... A person with a normal psyche, unlike Arestovich, will not carry such nonsense on television. And by the way, I’ve never seen anything like this in relation to Ukraine on Russian TV...

Have they stopped letting Zhirinovsky on TV? He is not an unknown scribbler, but a well-known politician.
By the way, imagine that I was paid for the order, to incite discord on any thread of the Ukrainian. forum. All I need to do is just write a thread about how badly Russians think, do, etc. about Ukraine and make inserts like the selected pearls of Glazyev, Onishchenko and Zhirik. Do you even doubt for a second that you could create the “bovalshchina” the other way around? Or that there would be no “appreciative” audience?

[major071]

The West sleeps and sees how to create a buffer zone with Russia in place of Ukraine. Poland and Romania have long been licking their lips at Ukrainian territory, the Poles generally believe that this is their original land, which was taken away by the Russians. The Romanians are ready to take over Moldova and the south of Ukraine. This is who we should be afraid of, not a hypothetical war with the Russians. Brother will not go against brother.

[tverskoi77]

The situation is coming to its logical conclusion. Ukraine has been professionally processed from the West for 20 years and the result, as they say, is obvious. The bargaining chip in this political game between the West and the East is the Ukrainian people. But naturally they didn’t care about him. Russia realized it too late, if it realized it at all. The maximum that Russia can now count on is to take over the eastern part of Ukraine. Perhaps even by military means, but in any case there will be revolution, unrest, and protests. There is no other option, or there will be a NATO base in Sevastopol.

[FireFly]

Especially for the mentally retarded: Russia is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine along with the USA and England. This was done in exchange for Ukraine surrendering its nuclear weapons. It was in vain, then, that they gave it up?

And if Russia gets close to Ukraine, China and Japan will get close to Russia, everything is simple.

[xan]

Quote: FireFly

Especially for the mentally retarded: Russia is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine along with the USA and England. This was done in exchange for Ukraine surrendering its nuclear weapons. It was in vain, then, that they gave it up?

And if Russia gets close to Ukraine, China and Japan will get close to Russia, everything is simple.

For those who are on the Chinese and Japanese armored train, they don’t have their own
Notice how recently the USA and England, together with others, have been changing borders in the world. Do you draw any conclusions?
No one will approach Russia for obvious reasons.
And Ukraine is about like Serbia or, say, Libya

[FireFly]

Quote: xan

Well, don’t tell me... States remain under the same names and within the same borders, with rare exceptions. But these exceptions are made in accordance with UN decisions.

[Corneli]

Quote: xan

For those who are on the Chinese and Japanese armored train, they don’t have their own

Quote: xan

No one will approach Russia for obvious reasons.
And Ukraine is about like Serbia or, say, Libya

This, as I understand it, you answered about the “guarantees” under the treaties on the integrity of Ukraine (in which Russia was... one of the “guarantors”)... It was, it was... but it disappeared) What is your, but short memory ...and you’re still babbling about the “rotten West”...

[Yankuz]

Quote: Sashko07

Whatever the day, there’s always a piece of Mr.. towards Ukraine on your website!

But I can see it the other way around - from the suburban outskirts of the city... but it is pouring towards Russia, not only in words, but also in deeds - like a petty dirty trick on our ship, which is heading to the Mediterranean Sea. The Russians don’t touch you, they only defend their Honor! And it would be better for you not to tell anyone else about your independence and independence - you have lost it forever - in our eyes already, and after marrying the EU in fact. And we will take Crimea back even without a war - you don’t value gifts!

[FireFly]

Quote: Yankuz

We will take Crimea back even without a war - you don’t value gifts!

Nobody gave gifts. Crimea was given in EXCHANGE to the Belgorod region, Rostov region, Kuban, part of the Kursk region (Eastern Slobozhanshchina, separated from the Kharkov region), and this was because the Russians were not able to improve the economy of Crimea.

As for "we'll take it back" - see my post above.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

and this is because the Russians were not able to improve the economy of Crimea.

Where does this “deep” thought come from?

[FireFly]

Quote: Misantrop

Where does this “deep” thought come from?

So practice has shown... the hands are probably crooked, or the mentality is not the same...
That's why Khrushchev decided to give up the land.
.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

So practice has shown... the hands are probably crooked, or the mentality is not the same...

Practice has shown that in 20 years, the “independents with straight arms” have driven Crimea into SUCH an ass that it was never in even under the German occupation... THIS IS - indeed - PRACTICE

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Misantrop

. THIS IS REALLY PRACTICE

Unfortunately, this is already technology

[rolik]

Quote: FireFly

The hands are probably crooked, or the mentality is not the same..

You should make your own roads, it's a terrible disgrace. And then they talked about the hard work of the Russians. There is a patch, there is another one nearby and the patch covers it on top. I was driving recently, and I felt sorry for the car to the point of tears on this squalor called roads. Personally, I would advise you to take part in the repair of Ukrainian roads. Occupational therapy, you know, is very helpful in really assessing the situation.

[xan]

Quote: FireFly

and this is because the Russians were not able to improve the economy of Crimea.

who is capable of what is already evident after 22 years of independence. You are not capable of anything

Quote: FireFly

Crimea was given in EXCHANGE to the Belgorod region, Rostov region, Kuban, part of the Kursk region (Eastern Slobozhanshchina, separated from the Kharkov region)

What a fright, Khmelnitsky had 3 regions.
The Ukrainians can’t do a damn thing, but their hands are in charge. You can’t do anything either in politics, or in war, or in government. If it weren’t for Russia, you’d be plowing the garden beds and tending the cattle, maybe not even your own. However, this is where everything goes

[Darakht]

Quote: xan

You can’t do anything either in politics, or in war, or in government.

In politics you say we can’t? Remember the civil war, more states were created in Ukraine than in all of Europe combined. Are you talking about war? Azov sitting in your face. Should I answer about the state structure? And for what? We may be plowing in the garden beds and tending to the cattle, and not 3,14 working at the keyboard like some people do, but that doesn’t concern the people, that shit only concerns you.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Daraht

remember the civil war, more states were created in Ukraine than in all of Europe combined

“Where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans” (Ukrainian proverb)

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Misantrop

: Darakht

Colleague Explain to someone who has been absent for a couple of weeks for objective reasons. What kind of animal is this with D? Otherwise, I don’t know him, but apparently he’s already in an emergency situation

[O_RUS]

Quote: Ruslan67

What kind of animal is this in D?

and how he “sings”

[Darakht]

Quote: Misantrop

“Where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans” (Ukrainian proverb)

So that's what I'm talking about, some kind of republic declared independence from everyone

[FireFly]

Quote: xan

The Ukrainians can’t do a damn thing, but their hands are in charge. You can’t do anything either in politics, or in war, or in government.

Yah? And who founded Moscow in your Gnilobolotskaya volost?
And universities on our lands were 150 years earlier than yours.
And in general: without Rus'-Ukraine, Russia has NO HISTORY.
There is only continuous borrowing of everything possible from more developed countries.

[xan]

Quote: FireFly

Yah? And who founded Moscow in your Gnilobolotskaya volost? laughing
And universities on our lands were 150 years earlier than yours.

Well, did this help you?
it's like Dodiku has a glass horseradish

[holderrr]

And what does the Rostov region have to do with it? You are delusional, dear. The Don Army Region included the Eastern Donbass, part of the Belgorod region, Voronezh, Volgograd, Kalmykia, etc. And what does this have to do with Ukraine, which did not have statehood until 1991? Clarify please.

[zmey_gadukin]

Boval once again pleased me)))
He pulled out phrases, mixed everything together and quoted the words of some idiot who imagined himself to be an expert.
I am not criticizing the site, but dear VO management, how long will you tolerate the incompetence of “journalist Boval”? He really lights it up. All articles are jumbled phrases and a very primitive conclusion.
Another good thing is that the forum users (for the most part) reacted to the satya with humor. I don’t understand how and why we should fight? Like most reasonable people reading this article. It is clear that there will always be extremists, both on one side and on the other, but they are still a minority.

Meanwhile, Ukraine and Russia are jointly building a nuclear fuel production plant.
And this is somehow pleasing, against the backdrop of constant economic and trade disputes...
http://1kr.ua/news-4712.html

[Echo]

It’s very good that the crazy guy thinks that Ukraine only needs 1000 people to defeat Russia. The more deluded this Euro-wanker scum is, the easier it will be to turn them over at the right moment. Let Ukraine join either the EU, or NATO, or even in dog poop. And Little Russia, Novorossiya and Crimea are Russia.

[pensioner]

Quote: Echo

The Ukrainian state has completed the preparation plan for signing the Agreement with the EU by 95 percent.

It's strange that it's not 115%...

[FireFly]

Quote: retired

It's strange that it's not 115%...

146% is not your limit
As for the plan, it is to bring domestic legislation into line with European legislation.
We are going to Europe, which means we must abide by their regulations.

[xan]

Quote: FireFly

We are going to Europe, which means we must abide by their regulations.

This citizen clearly loves his country, maybe he’s even ready to give his life for it, he’s a representative of the titular nation, and he’s going to abide by “their” statutes. “Their” court took away the Serpentine shelf from Ukraine - everything is fine, it’s democratic and European. The hypocrisy of Western democracies has long been visible to everyone and does not need confirmation, and this state-forming canary is going to implement their charters with complete peace of mind and awareness of their rightness. It is clear why the Ukrainian land is so suffering.
One good thing is that the West will piss itself on Russia and make such claims.
It's not Ukrainians who live in Russia.

[Corneli]

Quote: xan

One good thing is that the West will piss itself on Russia and make such claims.
It's not Ukrainians who live in Russia.

Yeah...Oligarchs live in Russia (let's not talk about national affiliations))) Oh and yes...they (many) do not live in Russia! Although, maybe you, Khan, think that you MEAN something in Russia? Well, either you are a BRITISH oligarch (or where your government resides)?

[rolik]

Quote: xan

this citizen clearly loves his country,

This citizen of an independent country is a representative of that very thousand great warriors who will tear the Moscow aggressor)))))))) But they will just find something to gird their pants with and will definitely tear them)))))

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

We are going to Europe, which means we must abide by their regulations.

We demand respect from Russia, and we are ready to stand up and take off our pants in front of the last European official (but we will still not stop demanding respect from Russia)...
The Russians are our own, but those are the lords...

[FireFly]

Quote: Misantrop

We demand respect from Russia, but in front of the last European official we are ready to stand up and take off our pants

So, where are your oligarchs suing? In London and Geneva. They take off your pants and fuck you, while you bend over in front of the European judge...
So, for you, European officials are also PURS

[Ruslan67]

Quote: FireFly

So, where are your oligarchs suing? In London and Geneva.

Well, mostly runaways and some already deceased

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Misantrop

We demand respect from Russia, but in front of the last European official we are ready to stand up and take off our pants

So what is the status? The European official himself gave cancer There is such a category in zones and prisons - chief cock. By the way, there is authority among his own

[rolik]

Quote: Ruslan67

There is such a category in zones and prisons - chief cock. By the way, there is authority among his own

Fuuuu...damn, I haven't laughed so much in a long time.......)))))))
The EU will now be a godfather, so you will have to obey with an arched back))))))

[Darakht]

In pursuit of sensation, you can’t write anything. How does the author imagine the war between Russia and Ukraine? In Ukraine they will go to slaughter Russians, in Russia Ukrainians? It remains to be determined who is who, that is, who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. In this case, target designation will be issued not by sophisticated systems, but by girls from passport offices :)
No, it’s complete heresy, and aren’t you ashamed to publish this? Or are you, like the author, chasing ratings?!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Daraht

In Ukraine they will go to slaughter Russians...?

Ukrainians went to Chechnya to fight against the Russians. And now in Ukraine there are people who want the blood of Russians

[Darakht]

Quote: I am a Russian

Ukrainians went to Chechnya to fight against the Russians.

They just ran in droves to slaughter the Russians, all over Ukraine they went to fight for the Czechs :) By the way, wouldn’t it be a sin to know your history, how did the Russians themselves fight against the federal troops in Chechnya and how many Ukrainians by nationality and Russians by citizenship remained in Grozny?

[I am a Russian]

to your question -

Quote: Daraht

Will they start slaughtering Russians in Ukraine?

example from history -

Quote: I am a Russian

Ukrainians went to Chechnya to fight against the Russians

[Darakht]

My friend, you are a schizophrenic - you quote yourself :) You are urgently blacklisted!

[pensioner]

Quote: retired

and ex-head of the European Parliament P. Cox

Twitchy comrade...And also: everyone usually tries to kiss when they meet, but he sniffs...

Quote: retired

One of the main requirements of Ukraine for signing an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for Ukrainian producers

Yeah. I was daydreaming...

[FireFly]

Quote: tverskoi77

Russia realized it too late, if it realized it at all. The maximum that Russia can now count on is to take over the eastern part of Ukraine. Perhaps even by military means, but in any case there will be revolution, unrest, and protests. There is no other option, or there will be a NATO base in Sevastopol.

What kind of neo-imperial nonsense is this?
Russia, along with the United States and England, are the guarantors of the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

[31231]

The United States, yes, is the guarantor of the integrity of Ukraine.
It has already guaranteed the integrity of Yugoslavia, Iraq and now Syria. Just a world guarantor. It’s a pity that Vietnam didn’t save us, the Soviets got in the way.

Is it already from the shale farm that you have such an arrival?!

[georg737577]

Any crazy person is free to write articles. But why post them on this site? "Military Review" is not a trash heap and not a site presenting the creativity of the mentally ill... What is the objective benefit of such opuses on this resource? Inciting hatred between two countries? If I were the site administration, I would not allow articles like this to appear on the site’s pages. That the author is a provocateur is understandable. But why follow the lead of the scoundrels, giving the green light to such nonsense?

[spd2001]

As long as the generations born in the USSR are alive, there will be no war between these two countries, no matter how much anyone wants it. Brother will not go against brother, any action aimed at inciting war will further unite the citizens of Russia and Ukraine. While we're alive...

[I am a Russian]

Another windbag...here I quote him -

Quote: spd2001

Brother won't go against brother

Indeed, the Unsovites fought, but there were few of them, and no one among the Chechens can remember who else they know, besides the fighter Sashka, who advertised himself in front of Western television cameras with an UNSO armband. Although, I must admit, the Chechens speak of him as a highly professional fighter. Most of the Ukrainians were in Chechnya, and some are still on their own - mostly they are from Western Ukraine, but there were, however, also Kharkov and Donetsk residents.

There are mainly three motives. The first is clearly defined by the formula of the Unsov leaders: “the larger the front to Russian imperial ambitions we deploy outside the borders of our country, the smaller this front will be here in Ukraine.” The second reason is romance and the desire to diversify a boring life. The third concerns former military personnel of the Soviet and Ukrainian armies - a desire for professional work, and even in combat conditions. In Chechnya, in a month of participation in hostilities one could gain experience equal to several years of regular army service. Ukrainians in Chechnya are known and loved. Moreover, both resistance fighters and ordinary Chechens. When you communicate with Chechens in Russian that they understand and correct and do not demonstrate a Ukrainian accent or do not imitate the difficulties of communicating in Russian, it is better to immediately say that you are from Ukraine. And it’s even better to add that you are Ukrainian. People's attitudes change immediately. The Chechens say that they will never forget Ukraine’s help, albeit unofficial, and the militants claim that if Ukrainian-Russian relations worsen, they are ready to send troops to Ukraine for assistance, arguing that one Chechen is worth ten Russian soldiers.
http://www.warchechnya.ru/news/ukraincy/2011-07-10-1357

[I am a Russian]

Ukrainian mercenaries in Chechnya
05.10.2004 - 10: 52
Where does the guy get Caucasian sadness?
Our information: UNA - UNSO (Ukrainian National Assembly - Ukrainian National Self-Defense). The militants of this extremist organization of Ukrainian radicals participated (or at least declared their participation) in almost all armed conflicts in the CIS. They fought in Transnistria, in the Georgian-Abkhaz war, in both Chechen companies, participated in the attack on Dagestan, and were in Gelayev’s detachment, defeated in the fall of 2001. in the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia.
http://www.segodnia.ru

[UVB]

Those who think about the possibility of a war between Ukraine and Russia come into their heads should have that very head amputated!

[Max]

Ahaha))) As soon as the President of Ukraine openly said that the choice was final in favor of the EU, an article immediately appeared with the topic *War between Ukraine and Russia: is it possible?* If we didn’t crush it economically, we’ll crush it by force. This is what Mother Russia is like - in all its glory...

[xan]

Quote: max

If we didn’t crush them economically, we’ll crush them by force. This is what Mother Russia is like - in all its glory...

You haven't been put under economic pressure yet - you've been warned, you won't stop being hysterical. In general, you successfully destroy everything yourself.
You better look at your ideal Western countries, they can also use bombs.
Russia is definitely a beautiful country, this is especially noticeable against your background

[Max]

Why should we wear it out? We tried to sit on two chairs until the last moment, and when it smelled like something was cooking, we immediately made a choice :) Moreover, you helped us a lot in this, and the EU, immediately after the association, is ready to put our goods on the market, cancel visas, etc. justifying this by the pressure of the evil Red Empire on the countries of the eastern bloc. So keep pressing, the flag is in your hands, we will only get more preferences from this.

[UVB]

Have you thought about what will happen to the Ukrainian industry? And what kind of our goods will the EU allow into its territory?

[Max]

Yes, everything: vodka, beer, grain, milk... The industry will suffer in the short term. But time passes and our business will be forced to reach out to European standards and over time the industry will reach the level and even higher (according to forecasts). The choice of the people has been made, because every ordinary Ukrainian understands how the outback of the Russian Federation lives and how, for example, the outback in the Czech Republic lives. And this is the main indicator of the civilization and wealth of the country.

[ia-ai00]

So you think that only in everyday life will you rise to a new level? And the perversion in your consciousness will not affect you? All these laws about GAYPEDO will not affect you? My daughter’s friend with her family and parents left Kazakhstan in the 90s for Permanent residence in Germany, for a better life for their children. Less than 5 years had passed before her father, a German, accustomed to running a household, was homesick for Kazakhstan, and her friend was horrified by the methods of “universal education.” The level of training of children is below par. She wrote daughter, that if you want your child to really know something after school, you either have to study at an expensive school, or spend a lot of money on tutors. On the paper of the letter, one could often see the letters of words blurred from tears.

[31231]

Have you ever wondered how Projepaltike lives in the EU?! How they really “bloom.” As soon as our people started pushing cargo through their ports, independence immediately decreased by half. Because the EU will not occupy the segment that Russia used.

[BAT]

Max, don't be so naive or arrogant. Your goods are not welcome in Europe; they are not needed there for nothing. They have nowhere to put theirs. Or do you think “Lanos”, “Vidas” and “Slavutas” will compete with BMWs and Mercedes. Believe me, Ukrainian goods are not of the highest quality. They are not bad, but not the best either.
Europe and the West do not need Ukraine as a producer and competitor for nothing. They need a buffer zone with Russia. And the market for their pretty high-quality goods. They don’t even need Ukrainian cheap labor anymore. There are enough pro-Balts, Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and other European Union beggars...

[Egoza]

Quote: max

The industry will suffer in the short term. But time passes and our business will be forced to reach out to European standards and over time the industry will reach the level and even higher (according to forecasts).

“The intention of the Communist Party of Ukraine to hold a referendum on the geopolitical vector of the country guarantees financial prosperity for the average Ukrainian.
This was stated EU economic expert Magne Olavsson in a special comment to a GolosUA correspondent.
“There is no doubt that Kyiv will benefit from its presence in the structures of the Customs Union,” he emphasized, “this can hardly be expected from its accession to the EU.”
http://www.vremia.ua/news/1852.php
Pay attention to WHO is speaking! There are still a lot of honest people!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: max

after all, every ordinary Ukrainian understands how the outback of the Russian Federation lives and how, for example, the outback in the Czech Republic lives

Perhaps he understands, but he does not take into account the fact that the mentalities are different for more than 20 years of independence, and this is degradation in everything, theft, house-keeping.
Otherwise, forecasts are forecasts, but only time will tell what will be done to Ukraine.
From the outside, all this will look wild, but for a Euro-Ukrainian this is a new life of prosperity.
Although there are decent earnings in Ukraine now

[Ruslan67]

Quote: max

Yes, everything: vodka, beer, grain, milk...

Yayki! Lard! Milk! This reminds me of something

[rolik]

Quote: max

Yes, everything: vodka, beer, grain, milk...

You ask the Bulgarians, they thought so too. Vodka (rakia) was indeed left to them, but only vodka. So, soon, you will have only one reason for pride... this is vodka, because everything else will no longer be yours.

[ia-ai00]

You personally bile on any power with interest... Look, otherwise the wind will change, so as not to choke on your own...

[xan]

Quote: max

Moreover, you helped us a lot in this, and the EU, immediately after the association, is ready to put our goods on its market, cancel visas, etc. justifying this by the pressure of the evil Red Empire on the countries of the eastern bloc. So keep pressing, the flag is in your hands, we will only get more preferences from this.

Yes please!
stand behind Romania and Bulgaria

[ia-ai00]

Kolya CA
Arestovich is an ordinary provocateur! Who are you listening to ???? It was his goal to fill us all with confrontation. Less emotions friends!

You know, he is not a provocateur, he is a real fascist. I think during the Second World War he would have been a policeman, evil, merciless. This is necessary, in his head he already has FANTASIES on the topic of a war with Russia, but certainly with the support of the West and apparently also the USA, so that his “1000” with their support for sure... He also boasts that in Georgia “it wasn’t them” who shot down 7 Russian planes... That’s how it is animal can you name it???

[Zymran]

Kazakhstan did not join Onishchenko’s candy ban!

The author is a provocateur who has outplayed the war game.

[In the book]

Let me remind all commentators of the rules:

"The site is strictly prohibited:
b) inciting ethnic hatred. The use of such words and derivatives as: crest, Yandiya, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponian, churka, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, b, Rashka (generally mentioning Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech;

I ask both sides of the discussion to respect their opponents (and therefore themselves) and not to fall for deliberately provocative articles.

[pensioner]

Quote: Libr

b) inciting national hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, Yandiya, Jew,

Well, let’s say in the first 2 cases you can agree. But JEW, why not!!! Well, who is our Professor then?? Of course there are options...

[In the book]

These are not my rules, these are the forum rules. I just took the liberty of quoting them.
And there is only one “professor” in Ukraine - V.F. Yanukovych

[Corneli]

Quote: Libr

These are not my rules, these are the forum rules. I just took the liberty of quoting them.
And there is only one “professor” in Ukraine - V.F. Yanukovych

EMMM... I’m somehow completely lost... so much so that I agree with the “pensioner” (which, in light of the latest comments, is incredible)) “Jew, USA, Azerbaijani” this is a simple example... these are insulting words on the site ?!

[ia-ai00]

It’s interesting that “Russian” Russia makes me proud!
Do people belonging to the Jewish and Azerbaijani nations feel inconvenienced and ashamed of their belonging? So is there anything to be ashamed of? And what is another name for the USA?

[ia-ai00]

The minus is clearly a person, a nation forbidden to write and pronounce, or a representative of North America - an American, can you call it that? Well, yes, if out of TOLERANCE you can’t call a MOTHER MOM, then everything can be, they’ll come up with a bunch of other prohibitions.

[amp]

I'm tired of this Ukraine and let it go to hell.

[I am a Russian]

amp + to you. Since the 90s he has been escaping from Russia. Tired of their blackmail. They didn’t want to work in a single state - so they ended up in a casting call with the Americans and Geyope.

[Icestar777]

What nonsense! What war? My mother just arrived from Ukraine today, there’s not even any talk about any war there, among the people, of course. There are rallies against joining the EU, yes. We also heard something about the “candy” situation, but the war... well, I wouldn’t be surprised about western Ukraine, and I wouldn’t be surprised at aggression on their part, everything is clear here, but the second half of it... This is nonsense and a provocation !

[Darakht]

Quote: Icestar777

.well, about western Ukraine

You give strange evidence. On the one hand, Ukraine will not attack (already funny), on the other hand, Western Ukraine may attack (nonsense). Who will Western Ukraine attack, Russia? Having no common borders, not being a separate state, will it jump over the eastern part of the country by air and attack? Actually, why are you dividing Ukraine into parts? No one is dividing Russia, no one is saying that the Far East will attack Poland, but Western Ukraine will definitely attack the Russian Federation.
I’ll tell you a terrible secret, I’m a Western Ukrainian, what next? Oh yes, until I kill a Russian, I won’t be able to sleep, unless I drink the baby’s blood, I’m tormented by nightmares at night! Don't you find it funny yourself? Don't you yourself hate living in stereotypes? What do the Germans call Russians there? And they call it correctly? Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.

[Icestar777]

Yes, what stereotypes, all my relatives are in Ukraine! You didn't understand, or I didn't express myself correctly. I don’t mean that someone will attack; I generally don’t allow the thought of a military conflict between, in fact, kindred countries. If I somehow offended you and your compatriots, I apologize. Although a certain division exists in Ukraine. And this is not my speculation, the Ukrainians themselves say so. Regarding aggression from the western side, I did not mean directly with tanks and machine guns. And what kind of evidence are you talking about, I am not proving anything, I am only perplexed that it occurred to someone about the possibility of an armed conflict.

[Darakht]

Icestar777

[Icestar777]

Thanks Leonid. World?

[Darakht]

Quote: Icestar777

World?

Oh no, first I need to eat and drink someone’s blood, about a liter and a half
We saw the war, at the age of five it was so amusing, when horizontal fireworks flew over Trade Union Avenue, and it was just unclear why my mother was so scared. At 30, those fireworks were a completely different matter, and my mother wasn’t scared at all, she was just worried about my brother and me.
DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTIS.
Of course the world

[Icestar777]

Quote: Daraht

DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTIS.

Rather, for those who receive dividends from It.

[rolik]

Quote: Daraht

I’ll tell you a terrible secret, I’m a Western Ukrainian, what next? Oh yes, until I kill a Russian, I won’t be able to sleep, unless I drink the baby’s blood, I’m tormented by nightmares at night!

This is the harmful influence of Romania with its vampire traditions)))))))))))))

[Sashko07]

Quote: sichevik

To cut us up in case of war

Read my comment carefully, throw away the next beer bottle and use your brain if you have one and haven’t drunk it yet.

[Avenger711]

What war are you talking about? It’s just that tanks will pass through Kyiv and I won’t be surprised if they are greeted with flowers.

[FireFly]

If you don’t have the brains to do anything else other than crawl around with your rusty pieces of iron in neighboring towns, don’t be surprised at the corresponding attitude towards you from your neighbors. Don't be surprised if they shy away from you like the plague.
You need to look for answers to all problematic questions IN YOURSELF.

[Corneli]

Quote: Avenger711

What war are you talking about? It’s just that tanks will pass through Kyiv and I won’t be surprised if they are greeted with flowers.

I will not be surprised if YOU AVENGER in Kyiv will be greeted exclusively by Gaies (if you, of course, come here in person (which I personally highly doubt)...as a liberator and great “avenger”))
So think about who will be running after YOU with “flowers”... while “Russian tanks” are “passing through Kyiv”)
P.S. This is supposed to be a joke... but still...

[Sashko07]

Quote: Avenger711

What war are you talking about? It’s just that tanks will pass through Kyiv and I won’t be surprised if they are greeted with flowers.

A friend lives in Kharkov, was born in Russia, all his relatives live there, including classmates, since he told me one thing - “I was born and raised in Russia, I love my country very much, but if I see a Russian tank on the streets of my city (Kharkov) I’ll burn it along with its crew, and I’ll do the same with any other tank.”

Do you still have any questions about what flowers we will give you?

[Darakht]

And they offered me to go to Tajikistan to serve under a contract, and the military commissar was very surprised when I sent him. I will not trample my Motherland in someone else’s boots and under someone else’s flag.

[In the book]

Your friend answered correctly. The only bad thing is that the people of both Russia and Ukraine are enslaved by their national nouveau riche, and these, so to speak, “politicians”, “servants of the people” want to earn some more points for themselves on the wave of patriotism-nationalism. At the same time, without shame or conscience, they rob the country, taking budget money for houses, airplanes, helicopters, dachas, etc., paying ridiculous pensions, subsidies to mothers, hospitals, schools.

[Sour]

paying ridiculous pensions,
Personally, I am satisfied with the pension. Of course, I wouldn’t refuse to get more (and no one would). But even if I quit my job, I won’t die of hunger. I know a lot of people whose salary is less than my pension. And nothing, they live. Not only do they not die of hunger, but they also don’t noticeably lose weight.

[In the book]

We can be happy for you. The pension of a Ukrainian teacher is about 150 cu, the pension of a deputy is from 875 cu, the pension of a judge is from 1500 cu. Feel the difference.

[Sour]

If u.e. - these are dollars, not euros, then I have approximately 500-510 USD.
Less than that of the Svidomo deputy, but definitely enough for pasta. Sometimes even with stew.
If I get really tired of my boss, I’ll quit my job. But there is still more than 1100 USD, and the working day is only 5 hours.
So there is no need to say that everyone here is “enslaved”. My mother (as a holder of the Order of Lenin and an honored worker in her industry) receives approximately 950 USD per month.

[In the book]

My mother, who devoted 40 years to public education, received a pension of 100 euros, my mother-in-law, having worked at Krivorozhstal for 40 years and having earned, in addition to the Order of the Badge of Honor, a bunch of illnesses, now receives 200 euros.

[Sour]

Well, my father received more than my mother, but he went through two wars, and also not only “For Victory over Germany” he had. But he has already left, to a better world. He defeated the Germans and Japanese, but no one has yet been able to defeat old age.
So there is no need to generalize about pensioners. It's different for everyone.

[Avenger711]

And you are going to defend this “state”?

[Egoza]

Quote: Sour

Not only do they not die of hunger, but they also don’t noticeably lose weight

Do you know that people often swell from hunger! And they become so fat! But you're still hungry!

[Avenger711]

The old Svidomo song started about how things are equally bad in Russia. Well, I’m afraid to disappoint you, here the state for the nouveau riche has already been transferred to a state for the people and the process is underway, Ukraine is still in it as it was in the 90s. So why exactly would someone throw themselves under Russian tanks is not very clear to me. But if there is someone, then we know perfectly well what to do with the separatists and occupiers.

[Kostya pedestrian]

Was it weak to stop the fascists with the same “arrogance” without allowing further Kharkov? And now all the heroes are without armor! If it weren’t for the USSR and the Red Army with the Navy, then your friend would now be living in a zoo and entertaining members of the RSDLP or SS by eating their bananas."

[Darakht]

Quote: Kostya pedestrian

Kostya pedestrian

What can I say, Kostya, you are an oligophrenic!

[31231]

But Tesak Martsinkevich has no others.

[Kostya pedestrian]

You are mistaken, I write with errors, but in a school underground shooting range in Minsk, back in my youth, I received a Voroshilovsky shooter from the SM-2 for fulfilling the standard.

[Sour]

if I see a Russian tank on the streets of my city (Kharkov), I’ll burn it and its crew
I don't even doubt it. There were enough Kharkovites in the ranks of Dudayev and Maskhadovites.
I will do the same with any other tank
But this is hard to believe. Против The Kharkovites didn’t fight much between the Dudayevites and Maskhadovites.

[tilovaykrisa]

Please, I know the link about Kharkov residents as part of an illegal armed group, about Bendera and other slag, but it’s hard to believe in your words. (unless it’s 1-2 people of course)

[Sour]

I won't give you a link.
I do not have the opportunity.
But I remember a television interview with one (a Kharkov resident, according to him) who complained about the mortar shelling. He sat, smoked, leaning on the SVD, and said that he went not because of the money, but because the Chechens had helped him out once in his life, and he was grateful to them.
“Mortars are hitting, snipers are hitting” - these were his plaintive words. I remember my voice and face very well.
The 1st Chechen war was underway, there were battles for Grozny. The interview was on NTV.

[tilovaykrisa]

That's the point, you shouldn't judge everyone else by one lousy dog.
in 1991 there was a rabble there from all over the world, both Balts and Westerners, blacks and Arabs.

[Sour]

Stop lying that Ukrainian nationalists are exclusively Westerners. Stop lying, Russian gentlemen, and deceiving yourself. And Yushchenko, and Kuchma, and Tymoshenko are natives of Eastern Ukraine. Yushchenko from the Sumy region - nowhere else to the east. And Petlyura is not a Westerner, not a Galician. He is from Eastern Ukraine.
One of the main ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, V. Vinnychenko and A. Levitsky, the leaders of the “directory”, are also not Westerners, not even once.
Stop making up the idea that Eastern and Western Ukrainians are two different peoples. Yes, they are different from each other. But they differ even more from Russians. Face the truth and stop lying to yourself. Voluntary blindness is no help in any matter. He who is blind is unhappy. But whoever is voluntarily blind is simply (cut out by the moderator).

[Darakht]

Quote: Sour

Stop making up the idea that Eastern and Western Ukrainians are two different peoples.

Bravo!

[Avenger711]

In the 19th century, no one had heard of such a people as the Ukrainians. There is no such people, there is the Little Russian province in which the Little Russians lived, they are x_o_h_l_s and no one has ever been offended by this word. But in Little Russia there were always enough local hetmans who were ready to bend to anyone, just so as not to depend on Moscow and calmly plunder the territory. And now the tradition continues. If necessary, you can always kill a bunch of sick Galician Nazis. But the new hetmans, much worse, surprise only the common people, who at one time fled en masse to Muscovy, just to get away from this madhouse, and in the 19th century, were a much greater support for the Empire than the inhabitants of the internal provinces, who had little idea of ​​what it was like to live in on the outskirts, i.e. on the potential front line.

[Corneli]

Quote: Avenger711

In the 19th century, no one had heard of such a people as the Ukrainians. There is no such people, there is the Little Russian province in which the Little Russians lived, they are x_o_h_l_s and no one has ever been offended by this word. But in Little Russia there were always enough local hetmans who were ready to bend to anyone, just so as not to depend on Moscow and calmly plunder the territory. And now the tradition continues. If necessary, you can always kill a bunch of sick Galician Nazis. But the new hetmans, much worse, surprise only the common people, who at one time fled en masse to Muscovy, just to get away from this madhouse, and in the 19th century, were a much greater support for the Empire than the inhabitants of the internal provinces, who had little idea of ​​what it was like to live in on the outskirts, i.e. on the potential front line.

Easy... "GREAT RUSSIA", Until 1918, no one had heard of BELARUS either! Aren't you afraid that they will be offended?

[grafrozow]

Quote: Sour

. Yushchenko from the Sumy region - nowhere to the east

Sumy region is northern Ukraine, look at the map.

[Avenger711]

This means your friend will simply lie down on the battlefield, and I don’t feel sorry for him at all. Because a Russian who has renounced his Russianness is worse than a punisher during the Second World War. Considering the state of the Russian and Ukrainian armies, 99% of your friend will not be able to burn anything.

[Gecko]

300 Spartans = 1000 Ukrainians

[Kostya pedestrian]

I just want to add a comment to the initial photo: “let’s do a thigh grab and a painful lock with a clamp until it hits the mat.”

[Sour]

Regarding the war between Ukrainians and Russians.
My now deceased uncle fought from 1944 to 1948 in Western Ukraine as part of the NKVD-MGB troops of the USSR.
Who did he fight against? Against the Chinese?
According to him, in the ranks of Bandera there were many people from Eastern Ukraine. Mostly these were former policemen who left with the Germans and did not leave, but not only. There were also deserters from the Red Army.
However, there were also enough Ukrainians in the ranks of the MGB troops.
Everything is very difficult. And unpredictable. Many also called the war between Russia and Georgia impossible. And once upon a time it seemed impossible for one part of Moldova to fight another part.
Much depends on the position of citizens. The authorities, even if not completely, take it into account. For example, if it were not for the mood of the Americans, Obama might have bombed Syria long ago. But this is one of the factors that stops him.

[FireFly]

Now it’s clear where pensions are growing.
The faithful dog of the regime means

[repytw]

No one is going to fight with Ukraine, why, we tried to live together, it didn’t work out, let’s try to live apart, but Ukraine is immediately indignant that we don’t need its goods, but we need free gas, let’s build pragmatic relations, and then there will be presidential elections in 2015 year will show who is who, especially when Russia will constantly explain the difference between membership in the Customs Union and the EU.
The people, of course, are not to blame for this situation and a referendum would have shown this, but the authorities banned it, the country is ruled by oligarchs who are afraid that their Russian “colleagues” may take away their business.

[FireFly]

[quote=repytw]Ukraine is immediately indignant that we don’t need its goods, but we need free gas[quote]
In what century did Ukraine have free gas?
Oh yes, in the past. Then both Moscow and Leningrad were burned with gas from Ukrainian production, and the CMEA countries also had enough.

[quote=repytw]The presidential elections in 2015 will show who is who, especially when Russia will constantly explain the difference between membership in the CU and the EU.[/quote]
Well, if Russia behaves as stupidly as it does now, then the people of Ukraine will not need any explanations

[quote=repytw]the country is ruled by oligarchs who are afraid that their Russian “colleagues” may take away their business[/quote]
There is something to be afraid of - Belaruskali is a recent example.

[Conepatus]

[quote=FireFly][quote=repytw]Ukraine is immediately indignant that we don’t need its goods, but we need free gas[quote]
In what century did Ukraine have free gas?
Oh yes, in the past. Then both Moscow and Leningrad were burned with gas from Ukrainian production, and the CMEA countries also had enough.

[quote=repytw]The presidential elections in 2015 will show who is who, especially when Russia will constantly explain the difference between membership in the CU and the EU.[/quote]
Well, if Russia behaves as stupidly as it does now, then the people of Ukraine will not need any explanations

[quote=repytw]the country is ruled by oligarchs who are afraid that their Russian “colleagues” may take away their business[/quote]
There is something to be afraid of - Belaruskali is a recent example.[/quote]


In 2015, no one will vote for the Regions and all sorts of “crazy” parties. There are thieves here and there. The Communists won’t be able to handle it either. Klitschko? For even greater joy, we missed a president with a broken brain. So, Freedom has a chance and significant. Not because the people suddenly became pro-Western. It’s just that everyone wants the blood of stolen cattle. But Freedom can arrange that. I myself am Russian, by nationality, and I have a normal attitude towards Russia, but I will vote for Freedom. There are simply no other options. The rest even worse.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Conepatus

I myself am Russian by nationality, and I have a normal attitude towards Russia, but I will vote for Freedom. There are simply no other options.

First you have to vote, and then they will give you a uniform and provide you with weapons. And it won’t matter who he treated normally before...

[Avenger711]

We lived together for 300 years, everything worked out.

[essenger]

Do you already want to fight among yourself?

[aleshka1987]

Quote: Corneli

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, but on whose side? Something I didn’t listen to such nonsense from ours, but from the Ukrainian side, it’s not a day, then a new song about the old.

It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, and amazingly selected (just to cause more negative), Ukrainians write and spread on the Russian site?
Well, about the "wonderful" author Boval, I had to wait almost a week for his next pearl. And I was not disappointed in this author.
Again the problem sucked from a finger and terrible punishment of heaven for not entering the vehicle. Moreover, in manipulating the author became proficient ... half-articles of frankly delusional remarks by an unknown journalist (who also became an intelligence officer of the SBU ). His "quotes" are presented just like extracts from the Bible. And the meaning of all this is simple. After reading such a verbose insanity, of course, even a normal and adequate Russian forum member will start to be indignant (and here there are enough vigorous ukroinophobes, they generally get hammered in ecstasy). Once again, after reading this insanity (and realizing that it is insanity), Ukrainians will start trying to explain something to them. And to no avail, since the "process" has already begun. As a result, we get another "srach", out of the blue and are waiting for the next "wanging" little article .... because the necessary heat must not only be kept in good shape, but also increased ...
P.S. It’s even interesting how much silver coins pay him for such pearls? Mr. Boval respond! ...

I support! But I don’t understand, is it possible that the editors of the site topwar.ru are taking part in the bullying? Why constantly find some idiot and promote him by replicating his vomit? Dear editors and moderators, is it really in your interests to pit Russia and Ukraine against each other?

[Alibekulu]

Quote: aleshka1987

But I don’t understand, is it possible that the editors of the site topwar.ru are taking part in the bullying?

Why?!
"The Show Must Go On"
The most rated topic is "xoxlsrach"...

[aleshka1987]

Quote: Icestar777

What nonsense! What war? My mother just arrived from Ukraine today, there’s not even any talk about any war there, among the people, of course. There are rallies against joining the EU, yes. We also heard something about the “candy” situation, but the war... well, I wouldn’t be surprised about western Ukraine, and I wouldn’t be surprised at aggression on their part, everything is clear here, but the second half of it... This is nonsense and a provocation !

As the official representative of the power of Western Ukraine, I responsibly declare that we will not attack you for now, and indeed we will not attack you at all. Unofficially - “It’s better to pile a bunch of poles on the porch in front of the booth. It’s much closer and much simpler here!” :)

[Icestar777]

Humor appreciated

[Icestar777]

Read the word “provocation” in my comment as pitting.

[fastblast]

I thought that at the end of the working day I would frown while reading the comments in the thread...
But no, yours improved the mood, thank you for the sensible post!))

I won’t add anything on my own behalf, I’m already tired of this nonsense.

[rolik]

Quote: aleshka1987

As the official representative of the state of Western Ukraine

Well done pioneer! Thanks a lot! otherwise I couldn’t eat in peace.

[EGORKA]

Quote: berimor

You yourself are pushing us into the EU!

Yes, Russia is always to blame) she pushes... complete crap, you are pushing the EU yourself.

[kind]

There have been a lot of similar articles lately. The author clearly pushed the article on order in order to quarrel between our peoples. Therefore, dear Ukrainians and dear Russians, do not give in to provocations, be more prudent.

[EGORKA]

Indeed, it’s not worth posting nonsense articles here.

[Su-9]

What kind of provocative nonsense is this again?

[Icestar777]

It looks like the author of the article has achieved a certain result! Look what a battle has unfolded on the forum, it’s good that the Internet doesn’t give you the opportunity to start flailing. Guys! This is all the machinations of the damned Europeans and p....dos, don’t be fooled! We, Russians and Ukrainians have nothing to divide. Almost every Russian has relatives in Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia, respectively. Leave the showdown with gas and chocolate to the politicians. They'll figure it out. In any case, you and I will not be asked. No one is pushing anyone into the EU; they are luring them there very cunningly. Ukrainians and Russians are brothers forever!!!!!! Something like this

[novobranets]

Thank God, at least one reasonable thought.

[grafrozow]

Quote: Icestar777

Almost every Russian has relatives in Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia, respectively. Leave the gas and chocolate showdown to the politicians

+++ I support.

[Canep]

Ukraine will need no more than a thousand soldiers to defend itself.

A motorized rifle regiment consists of approximately 2000 people, and according to combat regulations it defends a front 10 km long. It turns out that the length of the border between Ukraine and Russia is 5 km, this is nonsense. The author is, to put it mildly, incompetent in matters of defense.
To invade Ukraine, Russia will need no less than 2 million people; this is no longer a regional conflict, but a large-scale war that no one will agree to.

[xan]

Quote: Canep

To invade Ukraine, Russia will need no less than 2 million people; this is no longer a regional conflict, but a large-scale war that no one will agree to.

In 18, 3 thousand White Guards expelled the Petliurists from Kyiv, partly disarmed, partly dispersed.
Although in WWI three years earlier the front in Ukraine was held by millions of armies.

[AlexP47]

Ukraine, with the force of “one thousand guys,” will force Russia to buy Roshen candies, extend loan repayments and sell gas cheaply. European integration is clearly beneficial.

[APASUS]

I often read clearly customized and provocative articles on this site. Gnaw - here’s a bone for you.

[Roman_999]

Don’t distort, the war is not with Ukraine, but with the orange political-oligarchic power elite, which has arrogated to itself the authority to speak for ALL residents since the collapse of the USSR and the “independence” of the Ukrainian SSR with its transformation into the Independent Kraina and since then this mess when Brother by blood and history I am ready to recognize even blacks or Western Europeans as relatives, but not a blood brother. It’s no longer funny to me; I’m hurt by what’s happening.

[grafrozow]

Quote: Roman_999

this is a mess when a Brother by blood and history is ready to recognize even blacks or Western Europeans as relatives, but not a Brother by blood. It’s no longer funny to me; I’m hurt by what’s happening.

It’s not just you, it’s the same for me.

[O_RUS]

Quote: Roman_999

Don’t distort, the war is not with Ukraine, but with the orange political-oligarchic power elite, which has arrogated to itself the authority to speak for ALL residents since the collapse of the USSR and the “independence” of the Ukrainian SSR with its transformation into the Independent Kraina

Well said. +

“Not a single intelligent person who has even a drop of political common sense could imagine, even in his wildest imagination, the possibility of separating and fencing off the Ukrainian land from Russia.” I. Franko

- So, if it had not been for the collapse of the USSR, our “ideological national patriot” would have climbed the party-nomenklatura career ladder and would have sung different songs - together with the hated “occupiers and us”, as now gangster werewolves from the party nomenklatura elite in the Ukrainian SSR, well-settled in the now hated USSR - like Kravchuk (the former chief ideologist of the Communist Party of Ukraine with 40 years of experience) and the same “father of the nation” Yushchenko - both graduates of the highest party school of the CPSU, bandit communists Yavorivsky, Pavlychko and similar current ardent ukropatriots-Russophobes and the Nazis...

[Olaf]

You yourself are pushing us to the EU! You yourself are pouring water into the mill of the Ukrainian nationalists. You can't drag you into a "fraternal union" by force! Ukraine expected Moscow to lower the gas price on the proposal to extend the stationing of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, but the opposite happened. And the statements of various officials about the division of Ukraine, the revision of the borders (by the way, officially enshrined during the creation of the CIS), and the insulting hints of "historians from politics" that the concept of "Ukrainian nation" does not exist! You act like an elephant in a china shop. You will look around you. You have constant squabbles with your colleagues in the vehicle! Oh you, brothers Slavs! Chop the branch on which you are sitting!

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!
Plus 100.

[alone]

I think there are still enough sober-minded people in Russia and Ukraine who will not allow this to happen.

[Che Guevara]

I’ve been on the site for more than a month, at first I liked reading the articles, then the comments, I finally realized that my site, all my peers (over 30) are reasonable people, there are no national issues, most are military, but then as soon as the question concerns other republics (not the Russian Federation) it’s more beautiful awesome “patriots” of the Russian Federation are trying to get out of everyone and give advice on how bad it will be for everyone if other republics fall away from it. Are you crazy? No one has ever wanted this except the Balts, not even Golicia (the Westerners didn’t think about it), not to mention the Caucasus and Asia. Since 88, WE have been angry with each other, looking for (for the money of the English-sat-owls) historically insignificant facts. For 25 years we have been looking for shortcomings in each other (Russians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Belarusians, etc.) and who has screwed who more, conquered, helped, shot, ruined, who is more ancient, who is more cultured, who is more eastern, who is more western. What are YOU talking about friends. We are united with the Kazakhs by 270 years of conquest of China, the Khanate of Kokand, the campaign in Afghanistan, the fight against the Uighurs, the conquest of Semirechye by the Cossacks and Kazakhs, with the Belarusians the fight against the Poles, Lithuania and Germans, WITH UKRAINE (well, damn, they are Russians from Kyiv WE ARE ALL) I’m generally silent RUSSIAN TEAMINES went on more than one campaign against Byzantium. “CHE” we divide into who we are going on a hike. "WHAT" is not enough RUSSIAN (in 1000 years) blood OUR land has been watered. For 300 years the princes have been fighting for money, after Prince Vladimir, they shed our blood, now the other princes are fighting, and we are fighting against each other? Yes, I am ready to punch anyone in the face who points a finger at a RUSSIAN, UKRAINIAN, BELARUSIAN, KAZAKH. OUR GRANDFATHERS shed blood for this land so that we could live in happiness. My great-grandfather is a full St. George Knight Don Cossack (1st World War), and two of my grandfathers died in 2 and 41, as the Kazakhs fought in 45 and 41, defending OUR common HOMELAND, I will not write (I myself was born and still live in Almaty). What are we dividing? Who are you going to stress? “Princes fight and the slaves’ chupas crack,” many on this site remind me of slaves with awesome patriotic “potentialities.” IMHO, the National Bolsheviks have no place here. And Russia fought and made friends for 45 years, and in the end, with the steppe, it formed first the Russian Empire and then the USSR, stronger and FRIENDER than which there were no states in the world.
SUMMARY: BEFORE the hunchback, no one could say anything bad about the Little Russians, Asians, Russians, “SHA” comes the bad guy, and who is “more important, more ancient, more beautiful” than all of them. Without each other, we gave the Chinese lands on the Amur, in Kazakhstan we gave the territory of Switzerland, the Little Russians sold the island “Snake” to the gypsies in court (well, of course, there the army in the north wants to fight with their relatives, but “theirs”, not the Chinese, the gypsies for that they gave it away, no one flinched, although we are good Domansky also screwed up). Well, "WHAT" are we going to continue to shit on each other? Vaska’s cow died, the Belarusians found bacteria in their meat - shall we rejoice?

[Darakht]

Comandante, you’re right!!!

[Che Guevara]

Darakht.
I don’t understand, you gave me a plus, but you were downvoted for your opinion? Barak What a bummer

[Darakht]

What the hell with this minus! The main thing is that I liked your idea.

[Che Guevara]

Darakht.
There is an anecdote about misunderstandings (who doesn’t misunderstand what the Princes are doing and what to answer them. +, - you’re right, bullshit)
intellectual gets caught in a cell
owner of the house - come in rooster
intellectual - who am I a rooster, then you, then you are a dragon
the owner is confused, either praised or offended. writes to the little kents - so and so I’m a rooster to him, and he’s a dragon to me, either he praised me or offended me. the answer came in the morning. -a dragon is the same bullshit as a rooster, only with a crest all over its back.
to the dragons who put a minus, I didn’t want to offend

[Darakht]

Now I’m going to go to bed and write one last time. There was a country as healthy as a mammoth, and people of various nationalities lived in it. this country and its people won the most terrible war. After misfortunes that could overwhelm anyone else, the country has risen - space alone is worth it. Now we’re all sitting in the shit, we’re sitting there tightly, and we’re wondering if our neighbor will attack us - well, that’s absurd, isn’t it? But no, in 2008 this absurdity became a reality. We swear, insult each other, and our nationalities are different, but we swear in the same language. Well, to hell with all this.

[Che Guevara]

I agree, for some reason fewer men are born every year, and more and more dragons, while I’m still sleeping

[novobranets]

A big and thick plus. That's right.

[DJEIN8]

If someone wanted to disconnect from Russia, it was only because they flattered themselves with ILLUSORY hopes that HIS NATIVE government would treat ITS people fairly... and they would live better...
But the MORAL people in ANY government are the SAME, as today I think EVERYONE is convinced...
If people actually have positive changes in their countries, then the ONLY way to bring DECENT and not opportunistic people to power..
Nothing else will change the state of affairs in any country...

[Marek Rozny]

Chegevara, I shake hands.

[uizik]

I think that the people of Ukraine will cope with their bastard themselves!

[Che Guevara]

And my paternal grandmother is Ukrainian from near Kiev, may she rest in heaven, so I have the right to beat gypsies in the face without consulting anyone, this is my land, and I have Don blood from my great-grandfather, so forgive me, fellow countryman, if something happens, I will come to the land of my ancestors and, if something happens, I will stand next to you, when we are separately 20 Tatars, 000 troops on the Kulikovo field were defeated piece by piece. Let `s together?

[O_RUS]

Unfortunately, they can’t cope... if they could, there wouldn’t be twenty years of stagnation.

[dimjet]

The article is Russophobic. Alexey Arestovich's references to the army, both Russian and Ukrainian, do not correspond to reality. Just let the dust out. It’s a pity that articles with such a title are even published.

[novobranets]

Let them publish it sometimes. You need to know the enemy.

[Yankuz]

Quote: Olaf

Ukraine expected that in response to the proposal to extend the basing of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, Moscow would reduce the price of gas, but the opposite happened.

What kind of price are you talking about here? Pay for Sevastopol? Sevastopol is a Russian city! This is a Hero City! City of Russian Military Glory! It is washed with the blood of Russian soldiers in several wars! Who are you anyway in Crimea??? Who should ask you anyway??? In short, of course there will be no war between our countries - the article is nonsense! We love you too much, Slavic brothers! But you won’t be happy in the EU, they and you are too different, and when you realize this, it will be too late.

[Corneli]

Quote: Yankuz

What kind of price are you talking about here? Pay for Sevastopol? Sevastopol is a Russian city! This is a Hero City! City of Russian Military Glory! It is washed with the blood of Russian soldiers in several wars! Who are you anyway in Crimea??? Who should ask you anyway???

Who are you? And besides Sevastopol, are there any other hero cities in Ukraine? Or maybe few Ukrainians died in the fight against the Nazis? WHO ARE YOU anyway? To talk about our blood and our demand?

[jasper]

from the point of view of modern Ukrainian politics, all true Ukrainians fought in the Wafen SS

[Oleg Kharkov]

The last comments made me happy and amused. Thanks to adequate comrades for a sober look at things, and also for humor. What other war with Russia? I believe in this so little, and it’s good that I’m not alone in this belief. Our only potential opponents are Romania, and only because of our own unsubstantiated ambitions. So it's more likely that she's an "unbelievable" opponent, which is more accurately reflected by the situation.

[Black]

Quote: Olaf

You look around you. You have constant squabbles with your colleagues in the TS! Oh you, brothers Slavs! Cut the branch you're sitting on yourself!

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!
Plus 100.

The fact that gas prices in Ukraine are higher than in Europe (if this is true!!)
then this is definitely disgusting. Well, if that’s the case, then we need to come to an agreement. Yulka tried it and sat there. Maybe let him out and let him try again?
The bitch from Ukraine is lousy enough to sit on. Rubs.

[Sashko07]

Quote: Su-9

What kind of provocative nonsense is this again?

This is not such nonsense, this is a corrupt site.

[Ivan_Ivanov]

we (Ukraine) need to declare war on Russia and immediately surrender...

[FireFly]

Quote: Ivan_Ivanov

we (Ukraine) need to declare war on Russia and immediately surrender...

We, Ukraine, need to declare war on Germany and immediately surrender. Then we will very quickly get into NATO and the EU.

[revnagan]

Quote: FireFly

We, Ukraine, need to declare war on Germany and immediately surrender. Then we will very quickly get into NATO and the EU.

Yeah, the “government” of Stetsk has already done that. The Krauts dispersed them with scumbags. By the way, do you remember which of the Krauts said, “Ukrainians are our blacks”? E. Koch, Gauleiter of Ukraine. Well, can people like you be banned from licking ass to the Germans.

[ia-ai00]

...you'll get to clean your boots with them. They will twist your arms, like the Greeks.

[Misantrop]

Quote: FireFly

declare war on Germany and immediately surrender. Then we will very quickly get into NATO and the EU

Yeah, straight to the Berlin Zoo, as an exhibit

[Misantrop]

What is the reason for such violent discontent? Don’t want to be an exhibit, an example of greed and stupidity among other specimens? Or does a beggar standing under the threshold of someone else’s house hope to become an equal partner to its owners? Or maybe immediately become their master?

[Black]

Quote: Misantrop

Or maybe immediately become their master?

The rich borscht won't satisfy the Bosch!!!

[revnagan]

Quote: Ivan_Ivanov

we (Ukraine) need to declare war on Russia and immediately surrender...

No, first I have to manage to get an AK at the recruiting station. And then I can surrender to Russia and Belarus at once. But the Ukrainian government will never agree to open confrontation with Russia - this is suicide. In order to somehow resist Russia, you need to arm very there are a lot of people, and against whom I will turn my weapon, I have already decided. And for our government, the choice of the majority of Ukrainian citizens is no secret. Therefore, it will never come to war, and the article is an outright provocation.

[MG42]

I couldn’t find a photo of this militant expert Arestovich anywhere, but his interview was

http://news.eizvestia.com/news-finance/full/desyat-raketnyh-kompleksov-i-vojna-p
rotiv-ukrainy-budet-ochen-boleznennoj-ekspert

looks like a provocateur, what is his statement worth?

Ukraine performed well in Iraq. Well, don’t forget how many Russian planes were shot down over Georgia. Ours didn’t shoot down, but they helped the Georgians set up an air defense system. Imagine how many Russian planes we will take down if the Georgians destroyed seven in five days,” he concluded

[Corneli]

Quote: MG42

I couldn’t find a photo of this militant expert Arestovich anywhere, but his interview was
http://news.eizvestia.com/news-finance/full/desyat-raketnyh-kompleksov-i-vojna-p

rotiv-ukrainy-budet-ochen-boleznennoj-ekspert
looks like a provocateur, what is his statement worth?

Ukraine performed well in Iraq. Well, don’t forget how many Russian planes were shot down over Georgia. Ours didn’t shoot down, but they helped the Georgians set up an air defense system. Imagine how many Russian planes we will take down if the Georgians destroyed seven in five days,” he concluded

I didn’t find a photo of Mr. Boval either... but there are a lot of articles with such “nicknames”... in mail ru... and what’s not there... sabotage special forces of the GRU, Patriotic education of Russian youth, yes and articles on Ukrainian domains in abundance (and very good and topical ones) but that’s why they publish here...what they publish...I don’t know (

[MG42]

Quote: Corneli

I didn’t find a photo of Mr. Boval either... but here are the articles

Maybe this is a <creative pseudonym>? The title of the article is, of course, provocative, but a trade war is quite possible, although it will not bring benefits to our countries, but Putin may take a hard line towards Ukraine..