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The war between Ukraine and Russia: is it possible?

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Once again, a rather classical situation develops in relations between Russia and Ukraine, when the East opposes the West. Ukraine, which had been in the shadow of neighboring Russia for a long time, should sign the Association Agreement, a document that is significant for the Ukrainian state, at the Vilnius summit in a few months. Of course, the signing itself is not a guarantee that Ukraine will become a full member of the European Union. At the same time, this document guarantees the reshaping of European borders, and the withdrawal of Ukraine to the west.

It should be remembered that, starting from 2010, Russia has been creating its own community - the Eurasian Customs Union, in which the participation of the former Soviet republics - Kazakhstan, Belarus, is expected. At the same time, the Russian government strongly recommends Ukraine to join it. The customs union is supposed to be created as a kind of diplomatic and economic counterweight to Brussels. But since there are large disparities between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow. That is why Hillary Clinton, the former Secretary of State of the United States of America, saw in the creation of the Eurasian Union the attempts of the Kremlin to return the post-Soviet territories, called this community a step towards re-Sovietization of the region.

Ukraine, which has many years of history bilateral projects with Russia, has little desire to join this alliance, which is understandable. The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using for this the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities want to implement their intentions in the near future, in November of this year, by signing an agreement with the EU. At the same time, Moscow does not leave attempts to convince Ukraine that in fact the place of the country is in the East.

Hence the tightening of customs procedures. Moreover, representatives of the Russian government without reserve say that such events are caused by the desire of Ukraine to Europe. So, another 18 of August of this year, said Sergei Glazyev, adviser to the head of the Russian state on the development of the Customs Union. The fact that such threats are not empty words is evidenced by the use of punitive trade sanctions. The first blow was delivered to the products of the Ukrainian confectionery corporation Roshen, which manufactures chocolates in a large assortment. Despite the fact that this company for many years, starting with 1996, has been supplying sweet products to Russia, as well as the fact that Russian experts have repeatedly inspected it, the management of Roshen was informed that for supplies of Ukrainian products in Russia imposed a ban. The reason was called banal - improper processing of raw materials in the production. Soon, Belarus and Kazakhstan joined this ban. Such sanctions caused the Ukrainian corporation, which is one of the largest employing companies in Ukraine, to lose more than 200 million dollars.

It should be recalled that this is not the first complaint against the Ukrainian manufacturer. And there is nothing surprising here, because the head of the corporation, Petro Poroshenko, being the head of the Ukrainian foreign affairs agency, pursued a frankly pro-Western policy.

Shortly after the ban on the import of Ukrainian chocolates, Belarus banned the import of Inkerman wines from its factory, which is about 35 percent of the total Ukrainian wine imports. Because of this ban, the plant may suffer serious losses. The Belarusian government explained such sanctions by the fact that this product does not correspond to “organoleptic indicators”, that is, this wine does not have sufficient taste. It is noteworthy that these bans became clearer and clearer after Moscow declared the reality of Ukraine’s economic dependence on Russia, and that Moscow was ready to fully use this dependence to achieve its own goals.

Economic dependence, above all, is noticeable in the energy industry. Despite the fact that the former Ukrainian government looked towards the West and was more liberal, at the time Yanukovych came to power, Ukraine depended on Russia to the maximum. After negotiations on the supply of Russian gas to the Ukrainian territory, the Ukrainian authorities agreed on deliveries at prices far exceeding those in Europe, and volumes that largely exceeded the required ones. As a result, at the beginning of 2013, Kiev refused to buy unwanted gas, for which he received a fine of 7 billions of dollars. It is quite obvious that such leaps in bilateral relations between Ukraine and Russia forced Yanukovich to look for new sources of economic growth. So, at the beginning of this year, a ten-billion contract for shale gas production was signed between Ukraine and Royal Dutch Shell.

New attempts to convince the Ukrainian government made the Russian head of state V. Putin during his visit to Ukraine in late July. Then a very cool protocol meeting and face to face talks took place between the two presidents, after which the heads of state did not even shake hands. At the same time, they could not say anything new to the journalists. Thus, it is quite obvious that Putin did not succeed in dissuading the Ukrainian political elite from European integration, therefore Ukraine should prepare for new gas, trade, church and political wars. We can not exclude the visa regime between the states.

According to the statement of the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Leonid Kozhara, the Ukrainian state has fulfilled the plan of preparing for the signing of the Agreement with the EU at 95 percent. According to him, the signing of this document completely excludes integration with the TS. In addition, Kozhara stressed that the European integration at this time is a strategic reference point of Ukraine and the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union will undoubtedly create new opportunities for bringing the Ukrainian market to European standards.

The country, having associations with the European Union and the Free Trade Zone, will not be able to participate in the work of other unions. Therefore, it is likely that after the Vilnius summit, the most large-scale gas conflict will break out between Kiev and Moscow. Not only disputes over the volumes of Russian gas pumped into Ukrainian storage facilities, but also the refusal to extend the payment period of the $ 2 billion loan from Gazprombank to Naftogaz Ukraine, testify that preparation for it is in full swing.

In addition, the fact that almost immediately after Putin’s visit to Ukraine, A. Kwasniewski and the former head of the European Parliament, P. Cox, who monitor the situation of Ukraine's commitments to the European Union.

In this situation, it is also necessary to understand that the gas conflict will certainly also be political and ecclesiastical. And the escalation of the conflict is certainly hello to the introduction of a visa regime between the two states.

The Ukrainian president also adds fuel to the fire, who in early September as part of a meeting with representatives of the Party of Regions, said that the Russian partners had violated a number of agreements, as well as the fact that the association with the European Union was Kiev’s deliberate choice. The violation of the obligations undertaken by Russia, he said, is not just an insult to the Ukrainian head of state, but to the country as a whole. In particular, the point is that within the framework of the Kharkiv agreements, the Russian side promised that if agreements were reached, the gas price formula for Ukraine would change. Later, the Russians did not keep their word. Yanukovych stressed that there is no respectful and partnership relationship of Russia to Ukraine, so the decision of the Ukrainian government in favor of the European vector has no alternatives.

The Ukrainian president also said that at present the trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia is 62 billion. If the Kremlin does not abandon its plan of pressure on Ukraine, the volume of trade can be halved. That is why, Yanukovych is sure, one of the main requirements of Ukraine for signing an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trading activity with the Russians.

At the same time, some experts do not exclude the possibility that the situation between Ukraine and Russia can become so heated that such an armed conflict is not excluded. However, some of them express very strange and unexpected considerations. So, in particular, one of the Ukrainian TV presenters, Alexey Arestovich, who some time ago served in the General Directorate of Intelligence, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. The presenter explained this statement by saying that the Russian army is part of the Soviet, and at present it is not very efficient. Psychological condition is no better. The real military who served in Chechnya have long been dispersed. Some of them are already dead. In addition, Arestovich noted, the Russian government carried out a not very successful military reform.

“She (the Russian army) - part of the Soviet, today is not very combat ready. The psychological state of the army is bad. All the generals who made a career in the war in Chechnya - Rokhlin, Kazantsev, Troshev, Lebed - are dead. GRU dispersed. This means that the army has gone blind and deaf. Crossed unsuccessfully Aviation The Ground Forces and the Air Force made many other unsuccessful decisions, ”Arestovich describes the state of the Russian armed forces.


The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very efficient. Of course, she is chronically short of funding. At the same time, the Ukrainian armed forces have a number of strong advantages, in particular, we are talking about the joint command of special operations, which exists only in a few NATO countries. In addition, there are many quite interesting and promising developments.

The Ukrainian army, on the contrary, seems to him to be combat-ready. “She is exhausted and chronically underfunded. But she has strengths. For example, the combined command of special operations. Only six NATO countries have this. There are interesting and promising developments. Ukraine performed well in Iraq. And we do not forget that seven Russian planes were destroyed over Georgia in five days. Ours did not shoot down, but they helped the Georgians set up an air defense system, ”he notes.


Yes, and speaking quite frankly, the TV presenter believes, it’s not the one who is trained well, who is fighting well, but the one who has better motivation. Therefore, Ukraine, in the case of Russian military aggression, will have a significant advantage. After all, Russia will be able to go to a neighboring country with an army of about 40 thousands of people, and this will certainly affect the situation in the Caucasus and the Volga. In addition, we should not forget about China, which is friendly with Russia only externally.

Ukraine, he is sure, to fight back, a very small army will suffice: “Thousands of guys will be enough. They don’t need to crawl under Tanks. Let them not even enter into big battles, but destroy communications, communication lines, and attack small groups of invaders. And those 40 thousand will have tremendous problems. And there are a thousand in Ukraine. ”


Ukraine, in order to defend itself, will require no more than a thousand soldiers. Moreover, all that is required of them is to destroy the paths of communications, communications, and to attack small groups of the enemy.

It is commendable, of course, that there are people in Ukraine who are so confident in the military power of their army, but one should not forget that the same military budget (and, therefore, equipment with armament and military equipment) in Russia is ten times higher than the Ukrainian one. On the other hand, in a situation where relations between the two states are already heated, such statements deserve condemnation at best. It is clear that, if necessary, this same Arestovich will not participate in any conflict, but will incite hatred and ethnic strife from the studio. And for the like and need to be held accountable ...

Materials used:
http://polemika.com.ua/news-126160.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2013/07/29/1157665.html
http://argumentua.com/reportazh/osen-2013-novaya-gazovaya-torgovaya-tserkovnaya-voina-i-vozmozhno-i-vizovyi-rezhim-s-rossi
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 06 New
    42
    Well, again, an article on "the war between Ukraine and Russia." Someone is trying to pass out wishful thinking. Could it really be that the antagonism between the two countries has reached the point that only war can resolve it?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 September 2013 07: 13 New
      51
      no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 13 September 2013 08: 25 New
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        Quote: author Valery Boval, Dneprodzerzhinsk, Ukraine
        since there are large imbalances between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow.

        Boval today is inadequate. Management in the TS can be compared with management in a joint-stock company. This is consistent with an honest economic union. In the Association the management of a commission of 28 people. from EU countries + from the European Commission per representative of Ukraine. Well, what decisions were they going to make there?

        Further, the author generally went into a rage. What is the name of the war of refusal to extend the loan or the mythical "gas war" - the church. Not otherwise, the author smoked something.

        But, in fact, in Ukraine, the masters of the information war, the Pied Piper pipe-makers, there are also much worse ones.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 13 September 2013 08: 31 New
          57
          I found the topic for the title on the Ukrainian site for a long time:
          Satan
          I read in the newspaper yesterday, -
          "the economy is booming"
          "democracy in full bloom" -
          is the press lying or am I?

          Friends respect us in Brussels
          allow food to be served,
          and in Moscow they extort us for gas,
          what would we all pay them.

          We handed over the country to Judah
          "democracy" growth here and there,
          but pay like normal people
          we will not be for gas Muscovites!

          If it is true that we are so rich
          for hell we appeal to PACE?
          If we row money with a shovel,
          why don't we pay like everyone else ?!

          We are to blame for everything in Moscow, -
          that the rain, that the internet is dead,
          in the fact that someone is hunchbacked in life,
          even that which in principle is not!

          We can't confess to each other
          that the country was mediocre
          surrendering everything to kickbacks to foreigners,
          we have lowered our people.

          By the will of the people, the people are fooled,
          the children will not forgive us
          But someone thinks good luck,
          someone rustles green.

          This world is not simple and not sweet
          but Svidomo, that on the forehead, that on the forehead,
          I’m sick of panic habits,
          those who themselves were only a serf yesterday.

          We have developed a big debate,
          and found how to rebuke the brothers:
          - it’s you who are to blame for everything,
          - and if so, we will betray you!

          For no reason - conscience would hinder us
          but the reasons we quickly found
          we came up with a whole story
          starting with the birth of the earth.

          The story we distributed to all the children
          Yes, they’ve called “History” (!)
          to cram: "Moscow on the planet -
          the first enemy of Ukrainian land! ".

          We betrayed the Slavic brotherhood,
          slandering the closest people
          god let us forget this fucking thing
          when the troubled time has passed.

          We are allied in a house together
          lived for seventy years
          we considered "our" all the songs,
          and anyone could finish your verse.

          As a trait we shared that life:
          "there is no our guilt in former sins!",
          as if they themselves did not serve in the Cheka -
          not tortured in execution courts.

          It was all - and sorrow and joy
          one, another, but all in half.
          We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
          the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

          All good is our merit.
          everything is bad - Russia’s fault,
          lies ringing like a bullet from a plow
          and Satan laughs in the distance.

          Satan, that self-serving and low,
          wants the brothers to pit mongrels,
          to tear your jackpot off satanic,
          on brothers shed blood.

          As in delirium I scream that there is urine
          brothers, wait! Why do we need a war?
          But only an echo flies in the middle of the night ...
          And Satan laughs in the distance.
          NOT. Svidomo
          1. zh1
            zh1 13 September 2013 09: 33 New
            +5
            Everything to the point, I copied myself and show my friends.
            Thank you.
          2. Hunghuz
            Hunghuz 13 September 2013 12: 52 New
            -24
            hi Svidomo noisy crowd) around Uman wander everything) By all means with tal mu a pad house with a hand about singing everyone’s independence .......))) the poet wrote Moisha Pushkin-Kannibal 200 rocky back)
          3. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 13 September 2013 14: 56 New
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            It’s bitter and sad that the fucking shit-liberal-liberalSatan rules the ball. We are one people, what about us cut live? The entire GAYZONE, led by the policeman of the whole Earth, is the USA, like jackals tore our country and want to finish off the SPLITS of a great country ...
          4. Natalia
            Natalia 13 September 2013 14: 57 New
            +8
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            I found the topic for the title on the Ukrainian site for a long time:

            Aaaachuuumeeet ... I'm in shock, in the sense of fun, even very, abaldenny verse ... especially this one moment reflect reality
            We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
            the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

            Thank you wholeheartedly, cool verse good
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 16 September 2013 22: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Natalia
              We piled on the Russian all the nastiness
              the role of the offended is more profitable for us.

              Thank you wholeheartedly, cool verse


              Natalia You are great today !!!

              And this is for you from me love
        2. huut
          huut 13 September 2013 10: 43 New
          +8
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Boval today is inadequate.

          No, you just have to try to understand what the author meant. The “Church-gas war” means that in the event of a serious gas-related conflict, political and church leverage will come into play, with the goal of heating up anti-Russian sentiment, which has already happened, is not a myth.

          Well, some experts, the author writes, allow military action.

          The fact that the title of the article was not chosen well for the catch is yes, but otherwise the author compiled everything correctly.
          1. edge
            edge 13 September 2013 14: 32 New
            +8
            Quote: huut
            Well, some experts, the author writes, allow military action

            that's what I didn’t want, under any circumstances .... how will I shoot at my classmates, with whom in the winter I shared a bowler hat
          2. smile
            smile 13 September 2013 14: 50 New
            +7
            huut
            This author, in the guise of a dispassionate coverage of the situation, pushes his little idea about that. that, bad Russia everywhere offends the poor Ukraine, and Yanukovych is forced to go into the embrace of a disinterested European Union. And if something like this, a thousand lads with combat sorties will completely smash the oaths of m ... lei, who of course will take revenge and can reach the invasion. The author is a radish, a bad man belt crying on his provocative pope.

            By the way, those who like to scold our policy to snatch Onishchenko out of their holster to protect the interests of Russia, I advise you to pay attention to the fact that both Belarus and Kazakhstan act in the same way with respect to Yanukovych-they have their own onischenka who act by the same methods .... only now there or there, something is not visible to people pouring mud on themselves ... for the inhabitants of these countries, this is the normal policy of their governments in defense of their interests, although they are mercilessly exposing us ... :)) And only here there are crowds of the righteous, which violently deny exclusively our right to defend our political and economic interests by any means available. Miracles in the sieve ... :))))
            1. El13
              El13 13 September 2013 16: 31 New
              +3
              Come on, no, this is not in the article ... here about the war story the author was spreading in vain so, an unpleasant sediment ...
              1. smile
                smile 13 September 2013 20: 38 New
                +3
                El13
                Yes, I would quit, but ... The author tries to be objective, but he repeatedly quotes Unraintsevs. in the above privacy of Yanukovych, who blames Russia. but does not quote his opponents. who could disavow the accusations against Russia - this cannot but create the reader a false impression of who is to blame. sometimes the author's own estimates erupt.
                Quotes:

                Ukraine, which has a long history of bilateral projects with Russia, does not have a great desire to join this union, which is understandable.

                It is clear that such leaps in bilateral relations between Ukraine and Russia forced Yanukovych to look for new sources of economic growth.
                Well, how do you understand this? And about war, it’s generally prohibitive ... mind you, the author is not trying to disavow the statements of scouts, zhurnalyug.
                That is why I affirm the author-radish.
                1. El13
                  El13 13 September 2013 23: 12 New
                  +1
                  What can I say ... convinced repeat

                  I’ll go and put the article “-”, before that I could not decide ...
            2. Darakht
              Darakht 13 September 2013 16: 35 New
              +4
              Imagine
              Quote: smile
              smile
              Ukraine will decide to protect its economic interests and throw the Black Sea Fleet out of Crimea. And what can Russia do, but not Ukraine? Everything is possible for everyone :)
              1. El13
                El13 13 September 2013 19: 07 New
                +1
                You are mistaken, Russia does not violate rules, laws and treaties, yes, it uses them selectively, but within the framework of the law. What you suggest is a breach of contract. Ukraine may cost intrigues not allowing to modernize the Black Sea Fleet, but it cannot expel, it can do other dirty tricks, but not expel.
                1. Darakht
                  Darakht 13 September 2013 20: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: El13
                  El13

                  You are like a child, I can, you can not. I'm in love :)
                2. Corneli
                  Corneli 13 September 2013 20: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: El13
                  You are mistaken, Russia does not violate rules, laws and treaties, yes, it uses them selectively, but within the framework of the law. What you suggest is a breach of contract. Ukraine may cost intrigues not allowing to modernize the Black Sea Fleet, but it cannot expel, it can do other dirty tricks, but not expel.

                  recall the Black Sea Fleet "in the bust" - bad taste! Even regardless of YOUR (I’ll specify the Kremlin’s excuses) behavior, Yanyk doesn’t stutter about the concluded agreement (which is strange to read your “komentuns”!) Yusch, who did not enter and was sent, regardless of EVERYTHING !!! efforts !!! Current about the Black Sea Fleet and free! But the abominable "pro-professor" is silent ... see "by concepts" (well, like he’s ... well, he signed up for a cheap show / divorce agreement before ..45 ...) And if Russia can put on "conventions "(in the form of" guarantees "(it already sounds ridiculous) about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in exchange for the rejection of nuclear weapons). It is strange that "ZEK Yanyk" respects his word more ... than some ...
                  1. El13
                    El13 13 September 2013 23: 22 New
                    +3
                    I had to read twice, nifiga did not immediately understand, although everything seemed to be read before in your performance ...
                    The conversation was about throwing the Black Sea Fleet out of the Crimea (Darakht suggested), to which I indicated that this would be a violation of the agreement, but Russia does not violate anything, only uses the available levers selectively, and he suggested violating the agreement, and moreover, said type, Russia can, why Ukraine can not?
                    Talking is one thing, but give at least one example of a violation of treaties by Russia or an act against Ukraine that is not in accordance with the law.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 14 September 2013 00: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: El13
                      I had to read twice, I didn’t understand at once, although everything seemed to be read before in your performance ...
                      The conversation was about throwing the Black Sea Fleet out of the Crimea (Darakht suggested), to which I indicated that this would be a violation of the agreement, but Russia does not violate anything, only uses the available levers selectively, and he suggested violating the agreement, and moreover, said type, Russia can, why Ukraine can not?

                      Are you me Sori, just that) There are a lot of comments, without quotes it is not clear (
              2. nnz226
                nnz226 13 September 2013 21: 56 New
                +4
                Ukraine will sweat to throw: relics are not enough. If it comes to that, then what will it throw out? Three boats and five hundred boats ?! And about a thousand lads: if it comes to clashes, why did the author assume that there will be a crossing of the Dnieper, the Korsun-Shevchenkovsky operation, etc. ??? The lightning-fast capture of Crimea with a stop on Krymsky Val and the “garni lads” repeat the feat of the army of Makhno in November 1920, when they were thrown into the forehead at Perekopsik fortifications. And as to the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, they who fought with the Russian soldiers fought in the 1943 year, or rather, tried: the Galichina and Nakhtigal divisions — that is how they were crushed into sawdust without bothering much.
                1. Darakht
                  Darakht 13 September 2013 22: 24 New
                  -4
                  Quote: nnz226
                  And as to the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, they who fought with the Russian soldiers fought in 1943, or rather, tried: the Galichina and Nakhtigal divisions — they crushed them into sawdust without bothering much.

                  About how with Russian soldiers, consisting of Ukrainian, Belorussian, Jewish, Tajik, Georgian, of course, Russian ... to continue to list or Russian Svidomo shut up?
              3. yur
                yur 14 September 2013 22: 56 New
                +1
                Ukraine may join the EU, criticize Russia's economic policy, be dissatisfied with Onishchenko and other, other, other. But as soon as she doubts the need for the Russian World Cup in Sevastopol, she will have to see a small furry animal. I think so.
                1. Felix200970
                  Felix200970 22 September 2013 13: 25 New
                  0
                  Ukraine will get acquainted with a thick furry northern animal in any case. And this will not be the fault of Russia or the European Union, but of domestic "politics." The people (who have the opportunity) dump out of the country before it’s too late
            3. rolik
              rolik 13 September 2013 19: 22 New
              +8
              Quote: smile
              By the way, those who like to scold our policy to snatch Onishchenko out of their holster to protect the interests of Russia, I advise you to pay attention to the fact that both Belarus and Kazakhstan act in the same way with respect to Yanukovych

              Well, as always, and whoever would be surprised is to blame for everything. And the following quote attracted me to the article:
              - But since there are large imbalances between the members of the Customs Union in terms of power and size, it is clear that the most important decisions will be made in Moscow.
              And in the EU, of course, everyone is equal in terms of economy and size. Recently, Cyprus, Greece, and Spain have already been seen; other countries may not be mentioned. In the EU, Germany, France, England rule the ball. That's who dances all over Europe, and who the rest of the European countries work for. Well, soon they will receive new and trouble-free markets for their goods, a free raw material base, and cheap labor. A change of power in Ukraine, completely controlled by them will not be difficult.
        3. 31231
          31231 13 September 2013 12: 39 New
          +4
          Et yes, in association they will be Persian lads. Of course after the Baltic states.
          1. nnz226
            nnz226 13 September 2013 21: 59 New
            +3
            even with the limotrophs-sprats they will be pushed for the first place (though from the end of the list) And they will slide down to the state of the limitrophe ...
        4. FireFly
          FireFly 14 September 2013 00: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Management in the TS can be compared with management in a joint-stock company. This is consistent with an honest economic union.

          And so honest that in the hands of one of the participants a controlling stake and all decisions he takes at his discretion ... laughing
      2. rereture
        rereture 13 September 2013 08: 42 New
        -4
        Russia has no brothers. In Ukraine, the nationalist forces won, which will soon finish off the remaining sane people. Already now we are called Russians “damned yam”, “occupiers”, they poke a famine in our nose and try to deceive us in every possible way (some say that it’s not tricky to deceive her, that Russian suckers, and sucker is not a sin to deceive), many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on Red Square.
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 13 September 2013 10: 45 New
          18
          Arestovich is an ordinary provocateur! Who are you listening to ???? It was his goal to fill us all with confrontation. Less emotions friends!
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 19 September 2013 17: 26 New
            0
            Yes, emotions tend to prevail when something extraordinary happens, or when the rest of the arguments are exhausted. In 90 and a bit in 00, the rulers of Ukraine managed to “troll” our people with all sorts of dirty tricks, but the calm and nonsense policy of recent years leaves no more arguments. And here begins the rhetoric in the spirit of “keep me seven” and “rudeness is our last argument”) It’s ridiculous ... it would be if it were not so sad ...
            You +
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 13 September 2013 11: 30 New
          +4
          Sergei! When you were in Ukraine, you so categorically declare. Do not confuse those who live in power with the enslaved people. Both with you and with us.
          This year, as never before, we had many vacationers from Russia and Belarus. Nobody even tried to distinguish the Russian from the Ukrainian. All your statements have been taken from the corrupt media. Yes, the bandits are in power and they are terrified of the TS, realizing that your bandits will rob their business. You see, the communication of power is not according to the protocol and agreements, but "according to concepts." By the way, the Russians are sweeping away Roshen confectionery. like quality, price, taste. the assortment is top notch.
          And what kind of war can we talk about? Power squabble? Putin must remove Monomakh’s hat. She is too big. Slavs are peaceful people. They will not fight against each other. On occasion, fraternization will come about unambiguously. And there, behind the glass, immediately the culprit will be determined, which prevents peacefully living.
          Do we need this?
          1. xan
            xan 13 September 2013 13: 17 New
            -11
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            By the way, the Russians are sweeping away Roshen confectionery. like quality, price, taste. the assortment is top notch.

            Where does infa come from?
            Maybe you're an advertising agent?
            the worried Ukrainian is visible from afar
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 13 September 2013 14: 06 New
              19
              As if you are from a cultural capital. North Palmyra, but not a hap. But rather ham.
              Poke to strangers. Without trying, not knowing, to argue. Blame one sentence. For reference. I was born in the Soviet Union. I grew up in the USSR. Here is my homeland.
              1. cherkas.oe
                cherkas.oe 13 September 2013 18: 21 New
                +4
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                I was born in the Soviet Union. I grew up in the USSR. Here is my homeland.

                Congratulations, I do too, but you don’t have to shout about the “marvelous” taste of your “roche”, as they were lying on the shelves in the shops and they are lying - they are laughing.
            2. Egoza
              Egoza 13 September 2013 15: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: xan
              Where does infa come from?

              Yes, just infa in the news on TV. "The plane to Russia is jammed with Roshen products. Passengers are transported to Moscow by 10 of Kiev cakes .... (So the price has been reduced). The Ukrainian border passed normally, but will people stop in Russia?"
              1. rolik
                rolik 13 September 2013 19: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Egoza
                . "The plane to Russia is packed with products from Roshen. Passengers are transporting 10 Kiev cakes to Moscow .... (So the price was reduced).

                And what news and on which TV did it show?
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 13 September 2013 19: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: rolik
                  And what news and on which TV did it show?

                  Ukrainian channel STB, then repeated on 1 + 1
                  1. rolik
                    rolik 13 September 2013 23: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Ukrainian channel STB

                    Ahhh .... well Toda understandable)))))) Go overloaded planes then fly, barely come off from takeoff))))
          2. dmit-xnumx
            dmit-xnumx 13 September 2013 13: 58 New
            +2
            And the Slavs will simply finish off the Ounov’s shortcomings and their hangers-on, and this will end the feud.
          3. Sour
            Sour 13 September 2013 16: 45 New
            +1
            Roshen Chocolate is the crappiest chocolate in the Solar System. Thanks to Onishchenko for blocking the road to this infamous product. Let his Tyagnibok eat. Or Yanukovych.
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 13 September 2013 19: 41 New
              +3
              At the expense of the solar system - I don’t know, Martian chocolate somehow didn’t bother to try, lol and that the Roshenovskaya confectionery is the most crappy and low-quality - I confirm! Somehow personally, even about 7 years ago, on the occasion I had to observe the examination of this confectionery and its results - mom do not grieve !!! negative There, in order to reduce the cost and increase the volume of output, there is so much shit crammed that from sweets and chocolate there is only a drawing on the wrappers! no Since then, categorically I do not buy anything Roshenovsky and I do not advise my friends and acquaintances. hi All of us, to some extent, are enemies of our health. But not to the same extent !!! request
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 13 September 2013 20: 07 New
                +4
                Quote: Jogan-64
                and that the Roshenovskaya confectionery is the most crappy and low-quality - I confirm!

                There are Roshen products in America, though more and more are in "Russian" stores. Obviously buy, otherwise they would not hold. But most likely they buy by inertia. The same Lindt from Switzerland, or even the local Ghirardelli, is significantly tastier (although the taste and color ...), and not much more expensive, and when on sale (at least once a couple of months, or even more often, it lasts a week or more ), it is noticeably cheaper.
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 13 September 2013 20: 36 New
                  +6
                  There are Roshenov products in America, though more and more in the "Russian" stores

                  I do not mind that there is. Only the trick is that they are unlikely to be delivered there the same as they trade here. For P.I. Endosov, control was specifically established, something did not like - they’ll smash both the goods and the importer himself. No one will blather. Even in Russia, I suppose, they deliver better-quality products. And what they sell in Hohland. Try it on occasion. With the same success, you can go to the children's store and buy a box of plasticine. I assure you, the quality will be almost the same. Plasticine, maybe even better. laughing Of course there are high-quality "Roshen", but with sky-high prices. fellow hi
          4. rolik
            rolik 13 September 2013 19: 27 New
            +8
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            . No one even tried to distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian

            I confirm that I was traveling 2 times on the way to dad in Bulgaria. Absolutely normal and good people, with the exception of thick-faced customs officers at the border. transition to Yarilovichi-Novaya Guta.
            As for Roshen, this is of course hot old man - they said hotly. In Russia, there is a lot of other chocolate, and there has never been a stir around Roshen. I’m only buying our chocolate, simply because I and my family and friends like it. And Roshen did not even notice the absence on the shelves.
            And what is Putin's Monomakh hat ??? Unlike Yanukovych, he works, and does not suck up everyone who waves a bill. Who needs to take off the crown is the Ukrainian government. No need to puff up, or you can burst from overvoltage, or the hernia will jump out. And then puffed up, swell, trying to show their importance. They are trying to turn their faces to Europe, because their ass is bare)))) In fact, the Ukrainian government is full of zilch, an elementary particle in the world community.
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 13 September 2013 20: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: rolik
              And what is Putin's Monomakh hat ??? Unlike Yanukovych, he works, and does not suck up everyone who waves a bill.

              LTD. Are you close to Putin?) Mb trusted advisor? Do you know who advises him and what, and maybe there, in the “advisers” not a single oligarch (or lobbyists of the interests of these oligarchs) are? Roughly speaking ... Putin is HOLY! (At least write an icon) But Yanukovych is a traitor to the “thief of socialist property”!
              I here the day before yesterday the top 10 richest oligarchs in Russia mentioned ... minus (Russian svidomites see ()) It’s hard, apparently, to accept such “Russian surnames” as: Burkhanovich, Alekperov, Fridman, Vekselberg, Abramovich, Mikhelson (6 out of 10 , The richest oligarchs of Russia, at least)
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 13 September 2013 22: 30 New
                +9
                Quote: Corneli
                And Yanukovych is a traitor to the “thief of socialist property”!
                Exactly what a traitor. That's just not Russia, but those citizens of his own country who voted for his election promises
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 13 September 2013 23: 00 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Exactly what a traitor. That's just not Russia, but those citizens of his own country who voted for his election promises

                  No offense ... be so kind as to quote his "promises" especially those that are "here, they love so much!" I, as they say ... hope and wait!
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 13 September 2013 23: 29 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Corneli
                    quote his "promises"
                    Alas, I did not outline his speech at a rally in Simferopol on Lenin Square. But I remember for sure that he promised an alliance with Russia. Personally, I heard. Moreover, two times, he also came in front of the Maidan
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 15 September 2013 20: 25 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Alas, I did not outline his speech at a rally in Simferopol on Lenin Square. But I remember for sure that he promised an alliance with Russia. Personally, I heard. Moreover, two times, he also came in front of the Maidan

                      In nete there are his manifestos and campaign promises laid out, look and filter out of them.
                      P.S. Personally and not so long ago, I pushed and threw quotes from there.
              2. rolik
                rolik 13 September 2013 23: 50 New
                +8
                Quote: Corneli
                LTD. Are you close to Putin?) Mb trusted advisor?

                Trusted Advisor .... Trusted Trustor)))))
                And when these oligarchs became rich, does not suggest sophisticated Ukrainian memory ??? More precisely, with whom they became oligarchs ??? And let's say together .... with EBNe, right. Now look, just look carefully at what state they have now. how rapidly it is shrinking, times have changed a little, now you won’t be fed up with your "family"))))) And besides, I will tell you a terrible secret and let your ISKCON (this is not a typo) be safe, the entire state of these oligarchs is expressed in liquidity their assets. Now there are a bunch of bank economy, and all these assets have long been mortgaged and re-pledged at interest in banks for loans taken to purchase these same assets. And if the market value of these assets begins to sag, then the financial condition of the oligarchs begins to sing romances. there is not so much cash and free denyushkof, everything is in these very assets. At any moment, any of these oligarchs can turn into an ordinary millionaire.
                And what are we actually about the Russian oligarchs, let's crack about the Ukrainian.
                In Ukraine, power and business are merging. In the TOP of the richest people in Ukraine in 2012 are 6 officials of the highest rank. With the advent of new faces to power, the rules of the game changed and the list of the richest people in Ukraine began to change. First of all, this concerns the close people of Viktor Yanukovych.
                In the list of newcomers to millionaires was the president’s eldest son, Alexander Yanukovich, whose fortune is estimated at $ 100 million. Since people from the environment of the presidential son are appointed to key financial and law enforcement agencies, experts unanimously agree: the financial flows of Ukraine are being redistributed in his favor. Last year, for example, the State Tax Administration (STA) was transferred for service to the All-Ukrainian Development Bank, which belongs to Alexander Yanukovych. Prior to this, the tax authorities were serviced by the state Ukreximbank. Former tax chairman Vitaly Zakharchenko (now the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) and the current head of the STA, Alexander Klimenko, are friends of Alexander Yanukovych. What a caring dad, everything for my beloved son)))) Something I have not heard that the daughters of GDP rule the factories, factories, ships))))
                Further down the list: Akhmetov Rinat Leonidovich, Novinsky Vadim Vladislavovich, Kolomoisky Igor Valerievich, Bogolyubov Gennady Borisovich, Firtash Dmitry Vasilievich. And who cares, he can look at the habitats of these true Ukrainians on the Internet, they painfully look like people of Jewish nationality)))) And what is most interesting, they rose sharply when they entered the throne of the godfather of all Ukraine. I post a photo of a Ukrainian billionaire with a non-Jewish surname, but he’s a habitus - he’s also a habitus in Africa. And you are all about Russian billionaires Jews, look at your own.
                By the way, the surname still does not say anything. The company, along with my dad, worked with people with very Russian names and surnames, for example, the name Zhukovsky, while they were purebred Jews))))
                In the photo Kolomoisky Igor Valerevich. Originally from Dnepropetrovsk, land Yanukovych ..... oh yes, it's just a coincidence that they are from the same city))))))
                One of the most successful Ukrainian entrepreneurs. He is a member of the board of Naftohimik Prykarpattya and Ukrnafta. Vice President of the Football Federation. One of the most influential people in Ukraine according to many political scientists.
                So who is it, dear Corneli, you speak on the first roles ???
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 14 September 2013 13: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: rolik
                  So who is it, dear Corneli, you speak on the first roles ???

                  The same as YOU))) Current surnames differ)
                  And, from the Russian top, I gave examples of SPECIFIC Jews, the rest with "Russian" surnames look something like Pan Kolomoisky)
                  And actually, in general, I agree with your post ... only the situation in Ukraine does not differ from the situation in Russia (in terms of oligarchs in politics)
                  The only thing, according to the personalities you mentioned above, is a couple of clarifications:
                  1 clarification: They are all robbers in the same 90s) with the same EBN (few knew about Yanukovych then)
                  2. clarification: Of the above ONLY Akhmetov (who, incidentally, is not a Jew but a very purebred Mordvin, originally from the RSFSR) is directly related to Yanukovych, only Yanyk did not pull him, but vice versa. And he was rich long before politics (Yanukovych’s sponsor in the 2004 elections, but became a people's deputy in 2006)
                  3. Clarification: Novinsky is a Russian oligarch in general) He adopted the citizenship of Ukraine in 2012! The people's deputy from Sevastopol to the word)))
                  3. Clarification: Kolomoisky and Bogolyubov 2 Jews (with Israeli citizenship)) NOT from the "family" of Yanyk ... here you are strongly feylerny.
                  Quote: rolik
                  In the photo Kolomoisky Igor Valerevich. Originally from Dnepropetrovsk, land Yanukovych ..... oh yes, it's just a coincidence that they are from the same city))))))

                  Do not write if you do not rummage. DONETSK CLAN (Yanyk and Akhmetov) and DNEPROPETROVSKY (Tymoshenchikha ... Kolomoisky, Bogolyubov) did not like each other since childhood)
                  4. clarification Firtash ... he himself was, rose again in Russia, the favorite of the Turkmen and Gazprom (it was he who created RosUkrEnergo, to import Turkmen gas and until SIMPOR sue Yulechka on this account, who turned him off from this business )
                  5. clarification ALL THESE PERSONS WERE VERY !!! RICH even in the late 90s !!! And Yanyk is out of business here
                  Something like this...
                  P.S. And son, our pres, is certainly pulling ... a "little blood" ... But no more than, for example, not the oligarch Lukashenko at all) That 10-year-old kid is already cooking in receivers)
                  1. rolik
                    rolik 14 September 2013 22: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    Do not write if you do not rummage. DONETSK CLAN (Yanyk and Akhmetov) and Dnepropetrovsk

                    Here the truth is messed up.
                    But the conversation was about our Jews, you modestly kept silent about yours. But I did not give a complete list of your type of "purebred Ukrainian" lads, do you want to continue ??? I have them.
                    Firtash Dmitry Vasilievich, Nusenkis Victor Leonidovich, Taruta Sergey Alekseevich.
                    As always, I am attaching a photo of “purebred ukghainist” Viktor Nusenkis ...... No, I will post a photo of another person about whom I will write a little lower. By the way, if you take a closer look at the character’s habitus, the question arises, is he a purebred Ukrainian?
                    I always try to study more closely the material in question. But now I won’t even go deep, everything is already on the surface.
                    And I advise you, before presenting your OWN "facts", to think about whether they will present exactly the same materials to you.
                    Before counting the Jewish oligarchs in our country, count the oligarchs of another, not Ukrainian blood, in their penises.
                    And I repeat once again, our oligarchs have no longer the same Laf, unlike the Ukrainian. They no longer have such support as under EBNe, but the Ukrainians have exactly the opposite. Among the richest people, it is worth noting the breakthrough of Yuri Ivanyushchenko, he is YURA YENAKIEVSKY, who over the past year has increased his fortune by 7 times. According to information from the website of the Verkhovna Rada since September 2007, when he became a deputy from the Party of Regions. After Viktor Yanukovych became the President of Ukraine, the name of Ivanyushchenko began to flicker much more often in the press. Soon there was information that the Seventh Kilometer, the largest market in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, had changed its owner. They said that he was bought by a childhood friend of the President, as well as an authoritative person in the criminal world, Yura Enakievsky. And at the end of 2010, according to the Focus magazine, Yury Ivanyushchenko was among the five most influential Ukrainians (in fifth place). "Such a high position of the newcomer to the rating is due to the connections and business influence of an authoritative representative of the Party of Regions." A sensational interview of Russian criminal authority “Taiwanchik”, which was inaccessible to almost all countries of the world, in which he admitted that he could come to Ukraine after Yanukovych became president, also turned out to be attached to Ivanyushchenko. During the last visit to our country, “Taiwanchik” met with Yura Enakievsky - they have common interests in the grain market. Against this background, the appointment of Academician Mykola Bezuglogy close to Ivanyushchenko as president of the National Academy of Agrarian Sciences of Ukraine looks like for granted. Further on this character of Ukrainian realities there is still much interesting. But this is enough to understand what kind of cesspool Ukraine has turned into during the time of independence, through the efforts of its rulers. and that the current godfather has surpassed everyone, that’s where the crime really merged with the authorities, and at the level of the country's president.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 15 September 2013 01: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: rolik
                      But the conversation was about our Jews, you modestly kept silent about yours. But I did not give a complete list of your type of "purebred Ukrainian" lads, do you want to continue ??? I have them.

                      You wrote that way ... "I was silent" well at least I didn’t "hide" and "froze") do you even remember what I mentioned the Russian oligarchs to? If so, then regardless of your articles about Ukrainian (Jewish) oligarchs. And inappropriately write tales about EBN and the oligarchs who got rich under it. Take a look at the environment of the GDP, are there any new faces that have come from St. Petersburg?) Of which not so long ago, no one had heard, but did they suddenly become stars and rich Pinocchio?
                      Quote: rolik
                      As always, I am attaching a photo of "purebred ukghainist" Nusenkis Viktor Leonidovich ......

                      But in vain they didn’t attach) It would be ridiculous. By the way, I think you have already clarified, and found that he is NOT a Jew) He is Greek (this is for those who suddenly read this debate) and the largest Ukrainian donor to the UOC (which, to put it mildly, is not typical for Jews)
                      In general, one could go on and throw lists of “Putin and his (suddenly rich) team” and “pure-shouldered Russians” (of which I would dig a lot more ... if I wanted) in return, but what is the point? I wrote about something else (
                      1. rolik
                        rolik 15 September 2013 20: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corneli
                        But in vain they didn’t attach) It would be ridiculous. By the way, I think you have already clarified, and found that he is NOT a Jew) He is Greek (this is for those who suddenly read this debate) and the largest Ukrainian donor to the UOC (which, to put it mildly, is not typical for Jews)

                        No, just the second character seemed to me much more interesting than the first. As for the Jews, I can say that having a real Russian surname, name, and patronymic, a person still remains what nature is, and parents have identified by nation. And as for the Greek, this is another question)))))) I also write this for those who doubt that a Jew can donate to the UOC, which you won’t do for the image. There was one Jewish acquaintance who was offended by the fact that his name was Lazarus during the years of Soviet power. I always asked to call him Lesha, while wearing an Orthodox cross on his hairy chest))))) When the USSR was gone, he abruptly became Lazarus and appeared on his chest. of a decent size, the star of David is made of gold)))) Although he left the surname Russian, which is very strange))))) Read at your leisure "Protocols of the Sages of Zion". And I’m posting a photo of this character now, maybe he’s a Greek .... but we carefully look at the habitus of this Greek))))
                        We continue, I ask you to name close friends of the GDP, who sharply became billionaires after the latter came to power, name what enterprises they rule his daughters to, which friend he gave to the mercy of some global Russian bank (we have one large and historical bank - Sberbank).
                        Here we look carefully.
                      2. Corneli
                        Corneli 15 September 2013 21: 39 New
                        +1
                        Quote: rolik
                        And I’m posting a photo of this character now, maybe he’s a Greek .... but we carefully look at the habitus of this Greek))))

                        I did not yell at his origin, I know that he has many friends of the Greeks and his last name is from there, "habitus" in this case is not credibility, the Greeks do not suffer from impotence. Listen to you duck any nosy, automatic - a Jew (and if he is Georgian or Armenian ... anyway, a Jew?))
                        Quote: rolik
                        We continue, I ask you to name close friends of the GDP, who sharply became billionaires after the latter came to power, name what enterprises they rule his daughters to, which friend he gave to the mercy of some global Russian bank (we have one large and historical bank - Sberbank).

                        I really didn’t expect such a "fooling around" (excuse me). You, such a knowing circle of environment and income, and rightly well, do not know anything about the "friends of GDP" who became oligarchs? laughing I’m already in shock a little. Start with "Lake" (as the most famous), for example, and take a look at who banks belong to, who is the minister, who is the other "big shot"
                        As for the daughters, I will not say anything, there is a secret behind seven seals, But I do not think that they are in poverty)
                        As for "we have one large and historic bank - Sberbank" is also not a waiting person. But what is VTB? And the rest of the hundred hundred milen banks? (okay, only 1041, and in Ukraine - 176) And what is the use of the "global Ukrainian bank at the mercy"? The All-Ukrainian Development Bank is already in 43rd place, as it’s not like the “global” one, it just doesn’t even attract the “large” one.
                        P.S. In general, it’s strange, you wrote a few names of Ukrainian oligarchs (2 Israeli citizens, 1 Russian (your Greek-Jewish Russian citizenship), one former Russian, well, and 3 supposedly Ukrainian) Of this list, only ONE directly relates to Yanyk, yet 3 some (well, like Donetsk, which does not mean friendship or as a Sevastopol-Russian oligarch), but 3 are specific enemies of it. Moreover, none of them did not get rich thanks to Yanyk. They were rich before his primacy (especially before the presidency). And your astounding “modesty” and “ignorance” in the oligarchs of Russia and Putin’s poor friends are quite strange)
        3. rereture
          rereture 13 September 2013 22: 27 New
          +4
          I have relatives in the Crimea, and through them I do not learn the political news, but the everyday ones, so they say that a lot of Natsiks appeared among the young, I also sin online games (not often), and there I met with representatives of the progressive generation of Ukrainians, flow selective slops and insults in their address can be heard both in chat and in voice communication.
          1. rolik
            rolik 14 September 2013 00: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: rereture
            appeared among the young many Natsik

            And against whom are the Crimean Natsiks opposed?
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 14 September 2013 00: 11 New
              +5
              Quote: rolik
              And against whom are the Crimean Natsiks opposed?
              If in real life, then in general against everyone, even among themselves constantly dogged
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 14 September 2013 00: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Power squabble?

          Yes, a gnawing of power. Bad or good power, the main thing is that it, this power should be ONE, and this will be the power of Moscow, not Kiev. And you are defending your small-town power in Ukraine, which prevents the unification of Russians.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Slavs are peaceful people. They will not fight against each other.

          Are the Poles an example to you? More as they will be. The Germans were sent to fight against the Russians, and the Ukrainians would be sent.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          You see, the communication of power is not according to the protocol and agreements, but "according to concepts."

          These standards of communication are set by your overseas owners; the right of the strong prevails in modern politics thanks to the United States.
        5. Docent1984
          Docent1984 19 September 2013 17: 30 New
          0
          Two years ago I was resting in the Crimea. So it’s funny that the locals treated me very well, even though I came from Katsapetia. Apparently, hellish roots make themselves felt) But the zapadentsev mowed not childishly. One on the phone said: “I don’t know how you do in Ukraine, but in our Crimea they do it like that”)
      3. etrusk
        etrusk 13 September 2013 11: 40 New
        23
        "Russia does not have brothers. In Ukraine, nationalist forces won, who will soon finish off the remaining sane people. Already now we are called Russians 'damned yams', 'occupiers', they poke our nose with a famine, and they try to deceive us in every possible way (some say that to fool it’s not a tricky thing for her, that Russian suckers, and sucker is not a sin to deceive), many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on the Red Square. "(c)

        Do not talk nonsense! Do you judge from the publications? Why did you decide that they reflect the opinion of the people? How is it? Upstairs are engaged in gamblers, yes, they poke all sorts of indecency, but this does not at all mean coincidence with the opinion of the majority of the population. It is not in vain that they are so afraid of holding a referendum on this issue and, I am sure, they will not, despite all attempts to organize it.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 13 September 2013 22: 11 New
          +3
          Well, where is that Ukrainian people - is it a bunch of suckers? In 1991, I was led to the tale of the first Prize of the President that they say that after 10 years it will become rich, like Hvrentsia, however, for some reason they did not hear the opinion of the Ambassador of France on this statement, it was said that the independence of Rohland to the level of France, as before Kiev, is cancerous. Led, however. Now even to the level of Russia as before that Kiev in the same position ... Then they were seduced by the orange-headed ones, they knocked on the barrels with impatience, and what is easier? Now they’re bred to the EU: he was in the “capital of Chervona Rus” three years ago (by the definition of the “founder of Ukrainian statehood” B. Khmelnitsky, and now the nest of the Bandera spawn - Lviv, and he paid attention (something strange seemed at once on the streets, but not could formulate strangeness) that on the streets or youngsters up to 23 years old or retirement age, and it was explained to me that the able-bodied people are mainly working in the EU countries, who are in vineyards, who endure pots for old gay Europeans. Intelligent work is earned !!! worked in the USSR industries, rockets did build aircraft carriers, they want to make pots - uryayaya - That forwards votes for TC, a la Independence 2004 years, something you never hear ...
      4. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 13 September 2013 11: 48 New
        +8
        Well, you do not evaluate all the people by politicians. I know one Ukrainian who, in the event of a batch, will definitely fight on the side of Russia :) Although I don’t want to fight.
      5. xan
        xan 13 September 2013 13: 22 New
        -13
        it's sick
        why do we need patients?
        we need those with which we can solve serious problems
      6. berimor
        berimor 13 September 2013 17: 16 New
        +6
        You yourself are pushing us to the EU! You yourself pour water on the mill of Ukrainian nationalists. By force in the "fraternal union" can not be dragged! Ukraine expected that Moscow to reduce the price of gas on a proposal to extend the BSF base in Sevastopol, but the opposite happened. And the statements of various officials regarding the partition of Ukraine, the revision of borders (by the way, officially fixed during the creation of the CIS), and the insulting hints of "historians from politics" that the concept of "Ukrainian nation" does not exist! You act like an elephant in a china shop. You look around you. You have constant squabbles with your TS colleagues! Oh you, brothers Slavs! Chop the branch you are sitting on yourself!
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 13 September 2013 17: 35 New
          +4
          What GDP is dragging you to the EU or pushing it in the back with your foot ?? This is the decision of your president and KO, you want to join, enter no complaints.

          There is a feature of the fraternal Ukrainian people, noticed not only by me, Moscow is always to blame for all its troubles (GDP, EBN, no difference).
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 16 September 2013 10: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            There is a feature of the fraternal Ukrainian people, noticed not only by me, Moscow is always to blame for all its troubles (GDP, EBN, no difference).


            +

            hi Thanks for your kind words
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 13 September 2013 17: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: berimor
          You have constant squabbles with your TS colleagues!

          But with the "squabbles on the vehicle" you need to very carefully understand. I literally read today
          on one respected resource they write - "Russia has increased the cost of gas for Belarus"
          on another resource - "Belarus will pay 2,5 times LESS for gas than Ukraine"
          And "both" are right! Due to the increase in gas prices in the world, Belarus will pay not 168, but 175 ... and this is 2,5 times less than the cost for Ukraine.
          BUT WHAT IS THE SUBMISSION OF NEWS !!!!!
          Well, I have the opportunity to "get through" the Internet, while others do not. And they will believe that it falls under the arm.
          1. rolik
            rolik 13 September 2013 19: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            BUT WHAT IS THE SUBMISSION OF NEWS !!!!!

            And in the continuation of this news, Lukashenko’s meeting with Miller. Lukashenko said he doesn’t even have a single reason to swear at Gazprom. According to him, Gazprom is clearly fulfilling its obligations on gas supplies, payment of a transit tariff, and strictly complies with other agreements, including assistance to Belarusian children. Something like that.
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 14 September 2013 07: 51 New
              0
              Quote: rolik
              According to him, Gazprom is clearly fulfilling its obligations on gas supplies, payment of a transit tariff, ...


              Gazprom plans to increase transit gas through Ukraine
        3. rolik
          rolik 13 September 2013 19: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: berimor
          You yourself are pushing us to the EU! AT

          Well .... again, the "damned Russians" are to blame. In everything, in the rain, in the snow, in the fact that the Ukrainian government plundered everything, sold it and once again sold it. There is one saying:
          - There is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the mug is crooked.
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        5. xan
          xan 13 September 2013 22: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: berimor
          And the statements of various officials regarding the partition of Ukraine, the revision of borders (by the way, officially fixed during the creation of the CIS),

          what did you want?
          so that the Russians watch how the backwardness of the Russians, their eternal drunkenness and bydlota, is propagandizing on Russian territory, and all this when they were half-dead, and the Germans have 270? So, brothers Ukrainians? Why were you silent then, were you happy with everything?
        6. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 September 2013 13: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: berimor
          You look around you. You have constant squabbles with your TS colleagues!

          Well, let's take a look. And we find (against the background of "constant squabbles in the TS") well, just the same, touching unanimity in the EU. Well, right heaven, especially in Greece ... lol
      7. rolik
        rolik 13 September 2013 19: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: rereture
        many sleep and see Ukrainian tanks on Red Square.

        Fiction .... and not even scientific)))))
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    2. AVV
      AVV 13 September 2013 11: 32 New
      +5
      The people of Ukraine must say their weighty word !!! To be at the beck and call of the West or to develop their economy, create new jobs, develop their industry, and not be a dumping ground for waste from the European Union, and genetically modified shit from America !!!
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 13 September 2013 12: 39 New
      +7
      Brothers, we are brothers, but only the ambitions of the country's leadership and the pro-Western lobby in Ukraine prevail over reason. And I see about cooling in the economy of the two countries from my own experience. Earlier, our factory shipped billions of rubles to Ukraine, now it’s barely a million, but basically all the products went to Kazakhstan, within the CIS. And from Ukraine we take nothing more, but took it.
      1. rolik
        rolik 14 September 2013 00: 10 New
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        . And from Ukraine we take nothing more, but took

        And how now? Has it gotten worse or not?
    4. nnz226
      nnz226 13 September 2013 21: 47 New
      +2
      Some Ukrainian "brothers" against the Russians fought in the SS division "Galichina", and then in the forest "brothers" -Bandera. Moreover, it is not necessary to blame the excesses during collectivization and other mistakes of the Soviet government, since they were sitting like a mouse under a broom on the territory of Poland at that time, until September 1939 of the year ...
    5. 123dv
      123dv 14 September 2013 04: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

      Of course, without minuses, BUT!
      Given the current unfavorable dynamics, it is becoming increasingly difficult to hope for natural-peaceful relations, and a natural-military solution in some distant future is more likely, alas.
      Ukraine is falling off. The Ukrainian oligarchy will never give its hunk of fat to anyone, they do not care that
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      ... we are brothers!
      and the fact that
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      mind must prevail

      In the end, everything will lead to the fact that Ukraine as part of the coalition forces will take part in the attack on our country in the mid-twenties. But all of them will rake in full, and after this, the unification of peoples will be able to be completed.
  2. Tersky
    Tersky 13 September 2013 07: 16 New
    12
    Quote: xetai9977
    Someone is trying to pass out wishful thinking.

    Like someone, the article is clearly spelled out; one of the Ukrainian TV presenters, Alexei Arestovich, who some time ago served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence,, it’s only interesting why this “strategist” and “tactic” were fired from the GUR of Ukraine, not otherwise for such capricious tricks. This is the same Arestovich who promised in 2011 to cut out Russians in Crimea with the hands of the Tatars ..
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 52 New
      15
      Yes, I read the name. Aristovich, Rabinovich or Kaganovich, this does not change the matter. For the second time, an article is published under the heading about the war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation. This is already systemic. It’s not a matter of surname. As Kozma Prutkov said, “See the root”
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 07: 17 New
    +9
    Quote: xetai9977
    Someone is trying to pass out wishful thinking.

    Read the article, then you will know who wrote it and what the psycho is talking about. Or
    Good grass grows in those places laughing

    The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very combat-ready.

    Yes yes yes yes it is laughing
    Ukraine, he is sure, to fight back, a very small army will be enough: “Thousands of guys will be enough.
    At this moment, he scored the second jamb wassat
    This opinion was expressed by the Ukrainian TV presenter Alexei Arestovich, who under President Leonid Kuchma served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence.
    This is a scout, it’s interesting now that the same ones work for Yanek wassat
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 13 September 2013 07: 24 New
      15
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This is a scout

      Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish: Alexey Arestovich
      In the past - a personnel officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Stock captain. Service activities were related to developments in the field of operational psychology, conflict resolution and psychology of extreme situations.

      Since the 2002 of the year, he has been conducting trainings and consultations in the field of group psychology, combating unfair manipulations, the art of communication, oratory, negotiation techniques, public speaking, acting, psychology of social contacts.

      He studied at the Odessa Institute of Ground Forces, the International Language School (UK), is studying at the Russian school of depth psychology "Man among the people." Theater and film actor, creator of the course on teaching the art of dramatic improvisation. The author of the book “The Alphabet of Chiron. Improvisation Drama Introductory Course
      . Interesting points in bold laughing
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 13 September 2013 07: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        Interesting points in bold

        Well, why are you like this? a person, you know, and a scout, and a speaker, and a psychologist, and an actor, and the author of books wassat . in a word, seven spans in the forehead (or even eight). without such - boring (and with such - sad) ... recourse
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 08: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish:

        Ordinary Ukrainian lol
        Hi Vitya wink
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 13 September 2013 09: 51 New
          12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Tersky Sasha, what kind of horseradish scout he is: Ordinary Ukrainian

          How is Ukrainian known? Very unlikely. Rather, special in Russian-Ukrainian relations. All his "creatures" cause a lively "friendship." Seek someone profitable.
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 September 2013 10: 02 New
          13
          Wow!
          I read and did not leave the feeling of the presence of heavy drugs in the blood
          well, for example
          Ukraine, he is sure, to defend himself, will be enough for a very small army: “Enough of thousands of guys. They do not need to crawl under the tanks. Let them not even enter into big battles, but destroy communications, communications, and attack small groups of occupants. And those 40 thousand will have colossal problems. And there are a thousand in Ukraine. ”

          wassat
          1. transbiz-ka
            transbiz-ka 13 September 2013 10: 30 New
            +4
            I fully support and applaud !!! A person in their right mind would not think of such a thing. ... Catch the addict ... so that he wouldn’t throw something into his misfortune. Sorry for the idiot.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: klimpopov
            They do not need to go under the tanks. Let’s not even enter into big fights

            Hi Klim! Foolishness in the head and foolishness in your pocket, as soon as you unfasten and you don’t start to carry wassat
        3. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 13 September 2013 19: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Ordinary Ukrainian

          And the surname is typically Ukrainian wassat Hi guys hi drinks
      3. rolik
        rolik 13 September 2013 19: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        Sasha, what a scout hell is hell radish:

        So he turns out to be a lyceum? - cardboard clown)))))
    2. Babon
      Babon 13 September 2013 08: 27 New
      +7
      Moreover, they are going to fight on the Ukrainian side. You read such "patriots", is it interesting that he recorded himself in this "thousand guys"? And then it’s easy to manage other people's lives and you can chat a lot. Just to find the enemy, the enemy in the west. From the west, all this is g * but raised. Over in Germany, different nations live historically - Bavarians, Saxons, Prussians, Silesians ... And it never occurs to anyone to quarrel. And we all want to quarrel all as Serbo-Croats.
    3. xan
      xan 13 September 2013 13: 33 New
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This opinion was expressed by the Ukrainian TV presenter Alexei Arestovich, who under President Leonid Kuchma served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence.
      This is a scout, it’s interesting now that the same ones work for Yanek

      Ukrainian scout - about the same concept as a Romanian tanker or a Mongolian pilot, well, you can add a Brazilian hockey player
  4. Civil
    Civil 13 September 2013 07: 27 New
    +7
    It is enough to officially present the territorial demands to Ukraine in part of the Crimea, and they will not accept it anywhere ... but we will be immediately accused of aggression
    1. Orel
      Orel 13 September 2013 08: 27 New
      19
      Let Ukraine do what it wants, even if we do not like it. But then Ukraine should understand that Russia will do what it wants, even if Ukraine does not like it. It's just that if we do something in our interests, then everyone says that we are oppressing someone, and if Ukraine does something not in our interests, then it is striving for Europe and it should not be hindered. Let's be honest. Everyone seeks to protect their interest. So that economic and political confrontation cannot be avoided and you should not be offended, it’s just REALITY and ECONOMY and this must be taken into account ...
  5. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 13 September 2013 11: 23 New
    +5
    There will be no war, we wait another 2-3 years during which the Ukrainians themselves outweigh the venal politicians and then unite, well, we will drive the zapadents to a heap, just the 1000 about which the Ukrainian veteran of the science fiction department of the Ukrainian Security Council spoke.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 13 September 2013 12: 14 New
      11
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      well, and drive the zapadentsev to the heap,

      hmm ... dear, but can in the case of a union, at the same time drive out Dagestanis, for example?
      1. xan
        xan 13 September 2013 13: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        hmm ... dear, but can in the case of a union, at the same time drive out Dagestanis, for example?

        No you can not.
        live in Ukraine
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 13 September 2013 14: 47 New
          +2
          funny joked
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 September 2013 17: 30 New
        +2
        Yes, let's drive them to zapadentsev or vice versa zapadentsev to Dagestanis, as you preferwassat
    2. official
      official 13 September 2013 23: 30 New
      +1
      Clarification. Not the Security Council of Ukraine, but the GUR of Ukraine’s Defense Ministry. As they say in Odessa - "two big differences"
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +3
    Here we must talk about the antagonism between the leadership of the countries. Yes, it has a place to be, from the point of view of these gentlemen, war is possible, even may be desirable. Naturally, such a circus is completely useless to people, except for some scumbags.
  7. Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 13 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +5
    hi And you want a sho vi at Svidomo Ukraine kosher Kozak Orestovich ........ ???
  8. Apostle
    Apostle 13 September 2013 12: 46 New
    +3
    ... thousands of fighters will be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. The host explained such a statement by the fact that the Russian army is part of the Soviet one, and at present it is not very combat-ready ... What the hell is this ??? What thousand soldiers? Who is this Arestovich, what are these implacable statements? What kind of war ?? If the Russian army sets foot on the territory of Ukraine, the whole east will raise the Russian flags, and under these standards will independently and with pleasure join the Russian Federation.
    1. rolik
      rolik 14 September 2013 00: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Apostle
      ... thousands of fighters will be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia.

      This is for exhausting the enemy by running or something))))) ???
  9. artem772
    artem772 13 September 2013 15: 57 New
    -8
    The antagonism between Russia and Muscovy has always been.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 13 September 2013 20: 33 New
      +2
      I agree, that's just who the reason is, and this is a completely different issue.
    2. xan
      xan 13 September 2013 22: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: artem772
      The antagonism between Russia and Muscovy has always been.

      If not for Moscow, the whole world of Slavism would be forever oppressed, if at all preserved. The Baltic and German Slavs disappeared.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 September 2013 07: 15 New
    18
    Sahaka also thought that a couple of thousand would reach the Kremlin in a week. Ukrainians, urgently buy ties. At the expense of motivation: only people from Galicia hate her fiercely, and the East is more likely to meet Russian troops with bread and salt. But I don’t think that it will come to this — there will be nothing to eat in Ukraine, but the hryvnia can only be wiped, everything will immediately fall into place.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 13 September 2013 07: 25 New
      +9
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Ukrainians, urgently buy ties.

      They were long ago taken by Georgians from wholesale bases to clean. wink ..
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 September 2013 10: 04 New
        +3
        You can send as humanitarian aid! Enough ties for everyone!
        Greetings!
    2. Apostle
      Apostle 13 September 2013 14: 55 New
      +2
      One hundred percent: "... with bread and salt."
      And how else do they meet the brothers ??? wink
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 13 September 2013 07: 34 New
    17
    This is from the series:
    How Estonians are preparing to stop the Russian army ... (documentary comedy)
    The secret exercises of the Estonian Defense Forces on tactics and obstruction of the tank-motorized breakthrough of the Russian army were held at the test site in Tapa. Samples of the alleged enemy BTR-80, BMP-1 (donated by finals for the museum of technology), tracked Russian all-terrain vehicle, tank T-55 (rented from Latvia) were involved in the exercises. Also, Finnish armored personnel carrier (in my X-200) was used as the superiority of the NATO technology and for comparison.

    In short, what the brave Estonian soldier says: “This is a training to create obstacles for the Russian military equipment. With the help of a bulldozer and such a mother, we dug ditches and scarps of various configurations to experimentally find out the most effective way to deal with Russian barbarians on rusty tanks . " Then he makes excuses all the way that he couldn’t stop. Then, on the orders of the commander-in-chief, the crew specially puts the T-55 in a pit to justify at least somehow the cost of the exercises and demonstrate at least some success. In the end, Estonians build a wall of logs, which the tank rests on and ... cannot overcome! The host of the program at the end pathetically declares, "As we see, we have nothing to fear from Russian tanks! As long as we have brave soldiers and as long as there are Estonian trees that will stop any Russian tank!"

    P.S. The film does not show that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles can not only stupidly drive and drill to obstacles, but also shoot. By obstacles. Obstacles from the Estonian wood, the same as the head of the organizer of such exercises. Also bypassed is the fact that in any tank regiment. the brigade has special equipment with dumps and pontoons for overcoming natural obstacles and digging up caponiers. Also behind the scenes was the fact that tanks do not drive alone.

    Conclusion - do not drive in Estonia on a lonely tank and everything will be fine. Come on three! )

    http://jurialhaz.livejournal.com/331103.html

    1. rolik
      rolik 14 September 2013 00: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Warrawar
      The film does not show that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles can not only stupidly ride and drag a drill at obstacles, but also shoot

      And what is it they have on the BETER flashing set. This is like Kin Dza Dza, in time to sit in front of him and say - KU!
      And what were these teachings called by them? - "The mighty bunch" probably))))
      1. Ammane
        Ammane 16 September 2013 15: 34 New
        +1
        And what were these teachings called by them? - "The mighty bunch" probably))))

        No. Pissalacaccala))
    2. Darakht
      Darakht 14 September 2013 00: 23 New
      +1
      And they went to drink a horseshoe to them ?! With me booze and bacon. Guys, who will supply the equipment? Girls, oh yes, ride a tank with us in the woods :)
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  • left-wing
    left-wing 13 September 2013 08: 00 New
    +6
    Oh dear, ov's statements more and more resemble Baltic nonsense ...
    1. xan
      xan 13 September 2013 13: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: links
      Oh dear, ov's statements more and more resemble Baltic nonsense ...

      people go to Europe, what is already there
      1. rolik
        rolik 14 September 2013 00: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: xan
        people go to Europe, what is already there

        Before that, abundantly soaping the ass.
  • alexdol
    alexdol 13 September 2013 08: 06 New
    14
    "The Ukrainian army, according to Arestovich, on the contrary, is very combat-ready." What can I say: it riches with a thought ...
    1. newnutella
      newnutella 13 September 2013 09: 48 New
      19
      I am constantly jarred by this kind of news. There is a total policy of bleeding. Do not be this!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 44 New
        +6
        Quote: newnutella
        There is a total bleeding policy

        Yes, but on whose side? Something I didn’t listen to such nonsense from ours, but from the Ukrainian side, it’s not a day, then a new song about the old.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 13 September 2013 12: 57 New
          15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, but on whose side? Something I didn’t listen to such nonsense from ours, but from the Ukrainian side, it’s not a day, then a new song about the old.

          It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, and amazingly selected (just to cause more negative), Ukrainians write and spread on the Russian site?
          Well, about the "wonderful" author Boval, I had to wait for his next pearl for almost a week. And I was not disappointed in this author.
          Again the problem sucked from a finger and terrible punishment of heaven for not entering the vehicle. Moreover, in manipulating the author became proficient ... half-articles of frankly delusional remarks by an unknown journalist (who also became an intelligence officer of the SBU wassat ) His "quotes" are presented directly as excerpts from the Bible. And the meaning of all this is simple. After reading such verbose insanity, naturally, even a normal and adequate Russian forum member will begin to be indignant (and here there are enough vigorous ukroinophobes, they will get clogged in ecstasy). After reading this insanity again (and realizing that it is insanity), Ukrainians will begin to try to explain something to them. And of course to no avail, since the "process" has already begun. As a result, we get another "srach", out of the blue and we are waiting for the next "vanging" article .... because the necessary heat must not only be maintained in good shape, but also increased ...
          P.S. It’s even interesting how much silver coins pay him for such pearls? Mr. Boval respond! ...
          1. xan
            xan 13 September 2013 14: 03 New
            -4
            Quote: Corneli
            It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, and amazingly selected (just to cause more negative), Ukrainians write and spread on the Russian site?

            Corneli, relax. We now know that there are Ukrainian intelligence officers.
            I can only read about Ukraine here. You have about Russia in every, even the most zanyuhan, media every day something fart. Can you make a conclusion or not?
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 13 September 2013 14: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: xan
              Corneli, relax. We now know that there are Ukrainian intelligence officers.

              Well, I know many personally, only real scouts, and not unknown magazines who are served under such "sauce", for the authority they wrote, some provocateurs.
              Quote: xan
              I can only read about Ukraine here. You have about Russia in every, even the most zanyuhan, media every day something fart. Can you make a conclusion or not?

              I don’t read "numbed media", BMPs are farting there. And in the central news about Russia should be loved. As far as I know, in our country, a lot is tied to Russia from trade to family relations and it would be strange if no news would be devoted to such a close neighbor (and a large country).
              You are reading about Ukraine about the current price and at the same time you know what they write "even in the most snuffled Ukrainian media" about Russia. Conclusion, either you are lying about what they “write” (and you are reading these sites, too), or you are not reading Ukrainian. sites (although if you are interested in the news of Ukraine, there are much more there than "farts" about Russia) and again ... lying)
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 14: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            It feels like you are not reading this site, nor your comments. Or everyday articles, with amazingly selected

            Ha, that's a joke belay I ask for a pardon, but all the articles (including this one) are made up of Ukrainian “exploits” We are only discussing your nonsense and the next stones in the direction of Russia. laughing
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 13 September 2013 15: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Ha, here’s a joke of belay I ask for a pardon, but all the articles (including this one) are made up of Ukrainian “exploits” We are only discussing your nonsense and the next stones towards Russia.

              Clear-panyatna ... Everyone sees what he wants to see.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 16: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                Clear-panyatna ... Everyone sees what he wants to see.

                Of course, this is Russia to blame for everything. wink
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 13 September 2013 21: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Of course, this is Russia to blame for everything wink

                  And where did I write this? If certain citizens / provocateurs want to inflate the "necessary" (someone) mood, then it is not the country or people who are to blame ... but a group of certain / criminal persons! In our Ukraine / Russia, I think, "business interests" (even without a GEO-POLICY) are known ... and with US! and YOU! But if, personally, YOU want to believe that in Russia, in the government, there are currents "ISUSES_CHRISTS" (all about "people think" ...) then how can I convince you otherwise?)
      2. builder
        builder 13 September 2013 15: 12 New
        +4
        It is not clear why articles are published on the patriotic website (with enviable constancy) aimed at inciting hatred between fraternal peoples. Whose mill are you pouring water on?
  • Fofan
    Fofan 13 September 2013 08: 06 New
    +6
    That is why, I am sure Yanukovych, one of the main requirements of Ukraine to sign an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trade activity with the Russians.
    Yanukovych thinks that this Europe is becoming a colony of Ukraine? neighing laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: Fofan
      Yanukovych thinks that this Europe is becoming a colony of Ukraine?

      He not only thinks so, but also declares that Ukraine will save Europe. Well yes! They have a crisis and they will bring all unsold and rotten products to us, sell them, and we will "save" their manufacturers.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 13 September 2013 16: 33 New
        -2
        ... I’m looking for GLOBUS UKRAINE in stores, and I just can’t find it ... I’m probably over, people made it out ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 September 2013 17: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: ia-ai00
          I am looking for GLOBUS UKRAINE in stores, and I just can’t find it.

          Look in the book markets, in the stationery departments. But in general, they are quickly picked up for souvenirs. By the way, you can google "Globe of Ukraine" - buy. Maybe you'll find it faster.
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 13 September 2013 17: 19 New
            0
            Thanks for the advice! Looks like the markets ...
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus 13 September 2013 18: 23 New
              +2
              Do you have a Kazakhstan globe? If not, I can show it.
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 13 September 2013 18: 52 New
                +5
                Quote: Conepatus
                Do you have a Kazakhstan globe? If not, I can show it.

                But somehow she (ia-ai00) has a very indirect relationship with the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan ..
                She managed to roll more than one barrel to Kazakhstan.
                So do not associate it with Kazakhstan stop
                By the way, we have such dofig here .. as the topic is for Kazakhstan, so our “xoxlosrach” begins - to yours, however, like to Kiev by foot .. laughing
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus 13 September 2013 19: 11 New
                  +4
                  I don’t associate. There are people like her (ia-ai00) who carelessly position themselves as adults, smart people. And you read their opuses, and you can’t understand who your opponent is. A dumb pimple child, or an adult who is crazy crying.
          2. rolik
            rolik 14 September 2013 00: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Look in the book markets, in the stationery departments.

            Better look in the book bezsteler "Great Ukraine savior of Europe" By Yanukovych))))
            1. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 14 September 2013 11: 40 New
              +1
              And thank you!
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 September 2013 13: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: ia-ai00
          I am looking in the stores GLOBUS UKRAINE
          I recently bought a Crimean globe wassat
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 14 September 2013 13: 41 New
            +1
            ... handsome! I want this too!
  • largus886
    largus886 13 September 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    Cool! Strategic and tactical thinking at the level of Kovpak partisans. But he had more than a thousand personnel, and probably fed fighters more satisfyingly!
    1. Rif
      Rif 13 September 2013 10: 57 New
      +2
      "Strategic and tactical thinking at the level of Kovpak partisans." - you learned about Kovpak’s partisans from your goebels dredge, by the way, he beat these geeks just in the 1/1000 ratio, even this was noted by I.V. Stalin, saying that one partisan behind enemy lines is equal to 1000 soldiers at the front. Read for general development http://www.vairgin.ru/2012-10-26-11-10-50/58-2012-02-14-18-35-01
      1. largus886
        largus886 13 September 2013 12: 12 New
        +2
        Read carefully, about the partisans a bad word was not said! I know the history of the raids of Kovpak, Saburov and others well and not only from the series.
  • Sega
    Sega 13 September 2013 08: 17 New
    13
    I am just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples? How can a Russian go to war against a Ukrainian if they are blood relatives? I will not say anything about the rest, because about the combat readiness of both armies, you can simply keep silent. The leadership of Ukraine (judging by recent years) was bought with giblets by the West. I am 100% sure that the unification of the former Soviet Union republics of the USSR to the West is just like a bone in the throat. The West will not spare any money, so that God forbid Ukraine and Russia are united. The union of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (under a good combination of circumstances) will be a serious help for Europe. By joining forces and creating a strong economy of the Union countries, Europe will "change hands" and in the future, the "offended" EU countries will crawl towards the East. In this situation, after 10 years, the EU will cease to exist as a rival. Not everything is good in the EU either. In the countries of the former USSR, those who joined the EU are not sweet. Priesto they are silent and do not shout at every corner that they feel bad, and the EU does not give them much mouth openings.
    It's time to stop these squabbles and sit at the negotiating table before it's too late. The peoples of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia as one family, both literally and figuratively. What are we sharing? Simple people have nothing to share, but the leading elite will have to answer. That's just the choice of leaders is difficult, either to be with the people and return the grandmother who paid them, or climb to the West and get from the people. The second alignment is more to their liking, because putting it out of your pocket is harder than just (with unrest) dumping you out of the country.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Sega
      I am just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples?

      Which author do you mean?
      The article "Ukraine will have thousands of fighters to defeat Russia - opinion" see here
      http://polemika.com.ua/news-126160.html#title
      I was pleased with the responses of people to this opus (I will write below), but after all, young people can even believe! The scout says!
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 September 2013 10: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Sega
      The simple people have nothing to share, but the leading elite will have to answer.
      At least one of the freaks who ruined the USSR, was responsible for what was done? So these hope that they will have a gesheft, but will not have to answer request
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Sega
      What the author smoked

      Everyone is curious that he smoked, that you want to buy a dope of grass laughing
    4. Denis
      Denis 13 September 2013 13: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Sega
      What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples?
      But this clown got his way. Who knew about him before? And now they say, such a PR
    5. xan
      xan 13 September 2013 14: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Sega
      I am just surprised. What did the author smoke when he wrote the article and gave examples? How can a Russian go to war against a Ukrainian if they are blood relatives?

      Come on, they fought in the revolution.
      and Russians and Russians were chopped up so that examples similar to the fighting efficiency of the white color divisions cannot be found in WWII on all fronts
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 13 September 2013 08: 27 New
    +8
    The sweet dream of European pi ... owls is to pit the Slavs together. The fragile minds are already driving the possibility of a war between Russians and Ukrainians.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 13 September 2013 09: 51 New
      +1
      Just like now they drive in that Russia should abandon a friend of Syria, and begin to fight with its pederasts.
      A country in which paratroopers admire the money of buggers-millionaires, and for this money they beat the faces of the Slavs, is worthy of everything that happens.
      Neglecting someone who has experience and knows what to do.
      You will notice that there is very little information that at least indirectly explains what needs to be done.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 September 2013 08: 37 New
    +3
    All is not lost .. for Ukraine we will still fight. We are too much connected!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 46 New
    11
    (Continued)
    - Is that a joke ???
    - Probably over the summer uncle's head baked!
    - 40 000 Russian occupants + partisan detachments consisting of residents of the southeast who are really motivated by Galician Russophobia, in contrast to this notorious “thousand guys” and all, big greetings to Svidomo.
    - On which channel does this presenter work? Have they even reached the point of discussing a possible war with Russia? Yeah Poor viewers, what nonsense they do not drive into their heads.
    "Oh, you fucking! He was going to fight, to destroy communications. Will you go to fight yourself? I think not, you will call from a warm studio to exploits. You should clean the snout, you idiot. Give him the ropes, ok. Go to Mishka, he threw Russia his hats too. .It is interesting how the mothers of the soldiers will thank you? No, well, you have to be so sick with all your head.
    - Here it comes when the shit pops up during periods of turmoil. Either a moron, or a patient? In fact, a rare bastard!
    - Stroteg, who is going to fight with their relatives in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine? Is it possible that they throw Benders with lads from Liberty dungs. So look so that they are not shot in the back.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +7
    - I agree with the posts of the previous ones. I also see that the situation is slowly giving a roll in the direction that I write about all the time. I also see that kopanks from the Southeast without the help of a "good and strong master" will be torn like rags by aces. Unfortunately, history teaches us that it never teaches anyone. This means that bloody hematomas on a broken forehead will be provided. The history of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic is a good example. After using the "partners" as a handy rag will be thrown into the trash. Whoever disagrees with this will go missing. And yet, with regards to the thousands and what she can do. And it can do a lot of entertaining, especially against the background of Hitler’s cap-and-frog :): (the real combat readiness of such talkative “working masses” was shown during the uprising at the Arsenal “January Uprising of the 1918 of the Year.” If you throw out the pathos and hymns that are beloved by the local public, it would be better for the huts sat) Type in the search - Black Pangs - for Ukraine to death. Read ..
    - qwerty5, yes, there was Arsenal in the history of Ukraine, when regular military units could not defeat practically unarmed workers for several days, and then they were shot around 2000! But when the units of the Red Guard from the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic came about 2000 people., Then these heroes fled to Poland! True, they covered their flight with a bunch of students. One riddle - why is the execution of workers by Petliurists presented to you as heroism, and the revenge of workers as the atrocities of a brutal crowd?

    - And this inadequate creature worked in the main intelligence department?! Poor country! Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge! Complete degradation! Overseas curators work well, nothing more to say.
    - That is, the Ukraine project is so unviable that there is no question of a developed state - the “patriots” are going to destroy (blow up) what has not yet collapsed on its territory. Campaign note for the underdeveloped Bandera - they say the country we pissed away, but we will show them (holes) - we will blow up our bridges and roads. So I want to ask, "Well, what next, stupid people ,?". Can you impose a contribution to Moscow? And why only against Russia to blow up their infrastructure - the Romanians and Poles will want their piece. In short, the “worthy" end of the Ukrainian Natsik - a corrupt, wow, fascist cattle.
    - LORD! Protect our children from idiots from power!
    "There are military orchestras! And the cost of their maintenance exceeds the cost of combat training. And what: they’ll crush the enemy with music and put them on a stampede!"
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 13 September 2013 08: 50 New
    +2
    Sadly, it is quite possible. It is enough to recall the events near Tuzla.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 13 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Sadly, it is quite possible. It is enough to recall the events near Tuzla.

      As I understand it, the Ukrainian is going to fight on his territory, destroying communications, and not stepping on the territory of Russia. So the people of Ukraine admit that Russia can use the armed forces occupying Ukraine? In the light of the statements here on the site about the return of the eastern regions of Ukraine and Crimea to Russia, one probably should not exclude this option in the case of people dreaming of the revival of RI coming to power in Russia.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 13 September 2013 13: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: Semurg
        As I understand it, the Ukrainian is going to fight on his territory, destroying communications, and not stepping on the territory of Russia. So the people of Ukraine admit that Russia can use the armed forces occupying Ukraine?

        As it is not funny, no one paid attention to it. Everyone relishes the words "SBU intelligence" about the war Ukraine with Russia. Why fight Ukraine, no one thinks ... but it is clearly going to belay And immediately partisans, destroying communications on their territory, stealing everything necessary and poisoning the wells (like Scythians with Persians) wassat
        1. alone
          alone 13 September 2013 20: 51 New
          +3
          wassat dear Oleg, have to retreat to the mountains with parabellum)))
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 13 September 2013 20: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            dear Oleg wassat, will have to retreat to the mountains with parabellum)))

            rather, in the "Chernobyl forests" like Kovpak, fortunately I come from there ...)
            P.S. Born 50 km from the famous Chernobyl ... at one time ...
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 13 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +1
    It seems that Ukraine will still be offered an argument that it cannot refuse.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 53 New
    +8
    But it was not in vain that this nonsense appeared when Russia showed its power in the matter of protecting Syria. When it turned out that many countries support Russia and its president. And we declare "Yes, that Russia is there, we are going to Europe." But the people are AGAINST! But whom are people interested in!
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 13 September 2013 08: 55 New
    +5
    How quickly the alignment is changing.
    Just yesterday, I thought that good neighbors have a chance to build successful trade relations.
    Lucky Belgorod and Rostov on the Don.
    Goodbye Ukrainian industry now forever.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 13 September 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    Yanukovych stressed that
    respectful and partnership
    Russia to Ukraine does not exist,

    Well, gentlemen, the time of lack of care has ended, you have recently been associated as parasites.
  • lotar
    lotar 13 September 2013 09: 01 New
    +4
    I’m wondering why Ukrainian politicians were beckoned that they became in a pose. So, first of all, they care about their pocket, I understand, but don’t they understand that with the so-called competitive Ukrainian advantage over European goods there is a big question mark, whereas RF has the highest level of parity.
  • svskor80
    svskor80 13 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    Life will put everything in its place. I think it’s very tearfully asked back after some time. If you do not ask, then we, in turn, will not cry, that's for sure. Europe needs Ukraine only as an unstable buffer zone in front of Russia, and equal partnership, opening borders for goods is verbiage.
  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 13 September 2013 09: 27 New
    14
    I tried this tyscha somehow restore order in the Russian-speaking Crimea. Received on Sopatka from local and left for their Galicia. This Arestovich, is he not at all friendly with his head? Eastern Ukraine is not Lviv, here there are no people willing to go under the Russian tanks chanting "Ukraine has not yet died". It remains to be seen who the local population will support in the event of a conflict, who it considers to be the invaders: Russian soldiers or Galician volunteers. It seems to me that just zapadinsky lads will have a hard time.
  • Brandashmg
    Brandashmg 13 September 2013 09: 28 New
    +8
    I answer the question in the article title.
    War between Ukraine and Russia is impossible.
    1.Find such a crowd of scumbags who can fight with their relatives, friends ... neither side will be able to.
    2. In Ukraine there is no army. He served as an urgent 2000-2001, made sure.
    1. yuriy_dashkin
      yuriy_dashkin 13 September 2013 09: 59 New
      +6
      I live in Dnepropetrovsk, sometimes I communicate with local contract soldiers ... Directly asked four (at different times) whether they would fight with Russia, the three said - but sho, let's see who whom (((This is about the possibility of finding crowd of scumbags.
      1. 31231
        31231 13 September 2013 13: 16 New
        +1
        proyepalti also going to fight with us. Only officials, but stupid young. Okay, at least Russia has its business to its throat, so as to rush at the younger brother.
        1. Sour
          Sour 13 September 2013 16: 53 New
          +3
          Only officials, but stupid young.
          Officials always start a war. And mostly young people directly fight. Have you thought otherwise?
          It is clear that the workers and villagers are against the war. But they are always against war, and wars do not end.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    I've seen enough of American cinema, in my opinion it is called "A Thousand Spartans", only who will be invited to the "role of the king" Leonid?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 10: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Jurkovs
      "Thousand Spartans", but who will be invited to the "role of the king" Leonid?

      Actually, the Spartans were 300. Only here, Tsar Leonid, we have no net and is not expected!
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 13 September 2013 18: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Only here, Tsar Leonid, we have no net and is not expected!

        To rub the toothpaste with a toothpaste, will pass for Darius. laughing
  • Ustas
    Ustas 13 September 2013 09: 32 New
    +4
    That is why, I am sure Yanukovych, one of the main requirements of Ukraine to sign an agreement with the EU is the requirement to open European markets for the Ukrainian manufacturer as compensation for the fall in trade activity with the Russians.

    Yeah, keep your pocket wider laughing
    Alexei Arestovich, who some time ago served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia.

    Blessed is he who believes.
  • ded_73
    ded_73 13 September 2013 09: 34 New
    +8
    Well, dear forum users, they are so smart!?! The author would like you to brand, condemn, and you ... Adequately evaluate the article and laugh at the military power of the Ukrainian army and the author. Shame on you. wassat
    The farther, the more I am convinced of the desire of such authors as Boval to unearth more fried (or half-rotten) and to inflate, inflate ... Who is this Arestovich? Who knows? Well, the person expressed his opinion, what forms the position of the state or the TV channel on which he works? No, my own and what is amateurish, and now what? The sea is inadequate, here you have for example Mammoths. And what, I don’t know about you, but his statement "sucked" at us - "In a recent interview with the Russian publication Segodnya.ru Mamontov said that Ukrainians are preparing for military provocation against Russia." According to our information, under Konotop from Western regions of Ukraine, a tank division, a helicopter regiment, several squadrons of Su-25 attack aircraft and fighter planes were deployed, ”the scandalous journalist says. According to him, a whole military infrastructure is being deployed in eastern Ukraine.

    “Against whom ?,” Mamontov asks, and immediately gives an answer. “Of course, against Russia.” “Absurd accusations are growing, and I do not exclude that a large-scale provocation could be organized in the near future - they could try to blow up a ship in a raid and seize a military facility on the shore,” Mamontov says. "(Http: / /baltvilks.livejournal.com/151716.html, http://blogs.korrespondent.net/users/blog/aosadchiy/a118003) Okay? My friends, who are still serving, laughed sadly. "Write mom right at full."
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 09: 36 New
    -7
    Quote: rereture
    Russia has no brothers.

    And why do you have such an obsession with brotherhood?
    We need a more real approach to the question: Ukraine is an independent state, pursuing its own policy. And each has his own tobacco.
    If you want, we trade normally with you, if you don’t want to, we trade normally, but with others. From the West for example.
    1. Yankuz
      Yankuz 13 September 2013 10: 07 New
      +4
      Then, if Russia has to fight again with the West, then Ukraine will not stand aside, unfortunately. This is now integration into the EU, and then integration into NATO. For friendship with the West you have to pay - as a kind of buffer. And this is what they need for their kindred nations to brawl, but they stay away.
      But Crimea will still have to be returned to Russia, since it is Russian! Was, is and will be! Khrushchev’s actions are simply illegal!
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 00 New
        +3
        A bit of history.

        “During the 2nd World War, the Crimean economy suffered terrible losses. The population of Crimea decreased by almost half and amounted to 780. As a result of the Stalinist“ national policy ”, indigenous people — Tatars, as well as Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians — were deported from the Crimea. The population decreased by almost 000 more 230. Earlier, in 000, 1941 thousand Germans of Crimea were deported.
        After that, the peninsula was empty and fell into decay.

        At the end of 1953, sown areas in Crimea occupied 696,7 thousand hectares - 90% of the level of 1940,
        the yield of Crimean gardens became only 20 kg / ha, whereas in 1940 it reached 55 kg / ha;
        grape yield was 12 kg / ha, which is 8 kg / ha less compared to 1940
        The area under orchards and vineyards in January 1954 amounted to: in gardens - 86,8%, in vineyards - 79,2% of the level of 1940.

        Collective farms and state farms were provided with feed only 37%, plans for the construction of cowsheds and calves in 1953 were implemented only 36,5%, poultry houses - 43%. The sheep stock was 83% of the 1940 level.

        In 1953, the region did not comply with the tax collection plan, having not paid 6 million 60 thousand rubles to the treasury.

        Extremely abandoned were the light and food industries. In 1953, the plan was not fulfilled by all enterprises in these industries. The region was unable to absorb the enormous funds allocated by the state for capital construction. Therefore, the Council of Ministers of the Russian SFSR only in Yalta was forced to reduce capital expenditures by 1953 million rubles in 5,2.

        At the end of 1953, there were only THREE bread shops, 18 meat stores, 8 dairy stores, 2 textile stores, 9 shoe stores, 5 building materials stores and 28 bookstores [the most reading country in the world!] Throughout Crimea.
        The public sector trade in vegetables and potatoes has completely ceased

        (TsGAOO: F-1-OP 52. Ref. 490. Ar.9.)

        Ajubey, son-in-law of Khrushchev:
        The "new" Crimeans mainly came from Russia, from the Volga, from the northern Russian regions. “I write now,“ we arrived, ”writes Aleksey Ajubey, and they shouted:“ They drove us. ”There were complaints from the crowd:“ potato doesn’t grow here, ”“ the cabbage will wither, ”and“ bugs have eaten. ” ? "Asked Khrushchev, and the crowd exhaled:" Deceived. "

        Thus, due to the apparent inability of the Russians to farm Crimea, he was transferred (unanimously!) To Ukraine IN TRADE FOR to the Belgorod region, Rostov region, Kuban, part of the Kursk region (Eastern Slobozhanshchina, separated from the Kharkov region).

        So Will you take Crimea - do not forget to return ours laughing
      2. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 11 New
        -3
        Quote: Yankuz
        This is now integration into the EU, and then integration into NATO. For friendship with the West you have to pay - as a kind of buffer.

        And what’s different with you? Russia initially sees its neighbors as a buffer zone in case of aggression. This is not so special, but historical reality - Russia does not know how to defend itself by the army, it is always protected by spaces and climate.
        And what you did with your own hands of all your neighbors' enemies - so who is your doctor? request
    2. yuriy_dashkin
      yuriy_dashkin 13 September 2013 10: 13 New
      +4
      The fraternity is really useless. Because the peoples of Valorossiya and Great Russia are not fraternal - this is one people. The problem is that the Galicians and Little Russians are not even kindred peoples, but completely different. And these Galicians now determine the policy of Ukraine. And Ukraine, by the way, is absolutely not only independent, but just a state. Since 2004, the Constitution has not been working, and that’s it. The president came to power precisely on his main promises - the Russian language is the 2nd state language, closer integration with Russia, and much more. Not a single point in the majority in parliament was not simply not fulfilled, but acted exactly the opposite. And by the way, what do you intend to trade with the West? The earth? Damn, why after nick all the time, instead of the Red flag, I got out a yellow-black block?
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 September 2013 10: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: FireFly
      We trade normally, but with others. From the West for example.

      What will Ukraine sell to the "West"? If cheap labor, then I agree with you. Yes, it is full in Ukraine now. As for everything else, Ukraine has nothing to offer to the West, they don’t know what to sell. Here, it seems, they found a fool in the person of Ukraine. They will sell it to her.
      1. Sour
        Sour 13 September 2013 16: 58 New
        +1
        If cheap labor, then I agree with you. Yes, it is full in Ukraine now.
        It’s strange. According to various sources, from 4 to 7 million Ukrainians on earnings abroad, the birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. And the workforce is still full. Are you exaggerating? But then it turns out that in Ukraine the whole economy has already risen.
      2. rolik
        rolik 14 September 2013 08: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: bistrov.
        What will Ukraine sell to the "West"? If cheap labor, then I agree with you.

        In Europe, this cheap labor without Ukraine in bulk will have to stand in line.
    4. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 13 September 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      Someone does not allow you to trade, only customs prices and requirements for goods will be like the EU member states. Then it is not known who will sing about the fraternity first.
    5. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: FireFly
      if you don’t want to, we trade normally, but with others already. From the West for example.
      Well, what to trade with the West? Assortment do not voice? Own ass and land for other people's bases and training grounds, nothing more was left ... request Pancake businessman
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 19: 23 New
        -1
        In addition to the geostrategic position, offhand:
        Space rockets.
        Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.
        Engines for aircraft / helicopters.
        Cars.
        Harvesters.
        Rolling stock for railway
        Agricultural products.
        Confectionery products.
        Metal.
        Fertilizers.

        Z.Y. With the use of American technology - shale gas.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 13 September 2013 23: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: FireFly
          Space rockets. Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.
          And what (or who) is currently stopping this? Putin forbids?
          Quote: FireFly
          Engines for aircraft / helicopters.
          Boeing with Airbus, already screech, all the waitresses ate laughing Anyone who wants to buy something from this list is ALREADY buying. And more buyers something is not visible request
          Quote: FireFly
          Cars.
          Harvesters.

          We will revive the production of "Cossacks"? LuAZ was destroyed, and Ukraine didn’t do more sensible cars. The Ukrainian "screwdriver assembly", alas, is not better than the Chinese in quality. But Europe and their harvesters have nowhere to go
          Quote: FireFly
          Rolling stock for railway
          First you have to do it for yourself, altering the gauge to the European standard
          Quote: FireFly
          Agricultural products
          Bummer s. Doesn’t comply with the standards. They have already written about confectionery products; there is nowhere to put it in Europe. Metal? There, an Indian will trade them, especially when the remains of metallurgy are picked up by themselves ... Fertilizers? And will they be? Now the "green" from Europe will flood "to check the candidate for the eurozone for compliance with environmental requirements" ...
          Quote: FireFly
          Z.Y. With the use of American technology - shale gas.
          Yeah, the USA has already made its way into world gas exporters, Kuwait will soon begin to squeeze wassat IMHO except a giant zone of ecological disaster with these technologies Ukraine NICHRENA will not break off. Remember ...
          1. FireFly
            FireFly 14 September 2013 00: 52 New
            -3
            Quote: Misantrop
            Anyone who wants to buy something from this list is ALREADY buying. And more buyers something is not visible

            How is this "nobody"? China is being viewed. Latin America...

            Quote: Misantrop
            The Ukrainian "screwdriver assembly", alas, is not better than the Chinese in quality. But Europe and their harvesters have nowhere to go

            The level will be higher than your screwdriver assembly. By the way, neither the USSR nor Russia have created a single car of their own design.
            As for the harvesters, the Germans are probably fools who will rivet them in the Crimea ... amid the death of your Rostselmash laughing

            Quote: Misantrop
            First you have to do it for yourself, altering the gauge to the European standard

            What for? Your carriage production does not feel very well, and ours will fill a niche.

            Quote: Misantrop
            Agricultural products
            Bummer s. Doesn’t comply with the standards. They have already written about confectionery products; there is nowhere to put it in Europe.

            Our chicken already goes to Europe ... Which producer wants to live - will abide by the norms, that’s all. As with pastry.

            Quote: Misantrop
            Yeah, the US has already made its way into world gas exporters

            For two years, they reduced their dependence on gas imports by half. In the 16th year they plan to go with their gas to Europe, and the Middle East will also go there due to the lack of an American market. An appropriate infrastructure is being built.
            So we’ll see who will laugh well.

            Quote: Misantrop
            IMHO except a giant zone of ecological disaster with these technologies Ukraine NICHRENA will not break off. Remember ...

            Technologies do not stand still, but are being improved. Now they are drilling several kilometers, horizontal wells. No damage to nature, groundwater, either.
            See "Gazprom, which burst" Leontyev.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 14 September 2013 01: 32 New
              0
              Quote: FireFly
              By the way, neither the USSR nor Russia have created a single car of their own design.
              As for the harvesters, the Germans are probably fools who in the Crimea will rivet them ...
              GAZ-21, for example. I have, by the way. Great car, even though she was already the sixth dozen. Will Germans in Crimea rivet combines? Probably on the "Agricultural"? Well, well, I’ll definitely look at this miracle (if it suddenly happens here). But Ukraine is here sideways? Trust sweep shops?
              Quote: FireFly
              Technologies do not stand still, but are being improved. Now they are drilling several kilometers, horizontal wells. No damage to nature, groundwater, either.
              "It was smooth on paper ..." (c) We will see
              1. rolik
                rolik 14 September 2013 08: 36 New
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                GAZ-21, for example.

                I have a second NIVA car, a great machine for wood and dirt.
                And Ukrainian combines, oooh !!! yayaya !!! will give is fantastic !!!! say the manufacturers of CLAAS combines when they see the Ukrainian device)))))
          2. rolik
            rolik 14 September 2013 08: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Misantrop
            We will revive the production of "Cossacks"? LuAZ was destroyed, and Ukraine didn’t do more sensible cars.

            They still did Slavut, or do ??? And yes, all the assembly of other cars.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 14 September 2013 12: 45 New
              0
              Quote: rolik
              They still did Slavut, or do ???
              Yeah, its owners are also called "Swamp". Extreme alteration of the "Tavria". The joy of buying and even greater - when got rid lol
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 14 September 2013 01: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: FireFly
          In addition to the geostrategic position, offhand:
          Space rockets.
          Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles.
          Engines for aircraft / helicopters.
          Cars.
          Harvesters.
          Rolling stock for railway
          Agricultural products.
          Confectionery products.
          Metal.
          Fertilizers.

          Dreamer no
      2. rolik
        rolik 14 September 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Well, what to trade with the West? Assortment do not voice? Own ass and land for other people's bases and ranges,

        That's it on her, darling, I mean ass, and the respected businessman has all the hope lol
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 09: 43 New
    -16
    Quote: Sega
    I am 100% sure that the unification of the former Soviet Union republics of the USSR to the West is just like a bone in the throat. The West will not spare any money, so that God forbid Ukraine and Russia are united. The union of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (under a good combination of circumstances) will be a serious help for Europe.

    Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.
    If everything was equal - one thing, but ...
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 September 2013 10: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: FireFly
      Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

      And you do not sign for all Ukrainians. We will hold a referendum and it will become clear to whom and what you liked.
      1. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 13 September 2013 12: 39 New
        +5
        People will not go, with the scoop there was an idea to build a bright socialist future. Now what? Stuff pucks? So they agree without a union.
        Belarus does not take into account, it all block the exit from her it was not special.
        1. FireFly
          FireFly 13 September 2013 19: 27 New
          0
          But father, by the way, spits on the Customs Union further than he sees.
          The only thing that Belarus had from the “elder brothers” was hemorrhoids and eternal attempts to seize all the Fatherland’s assets.
          Putin has almost forcibly driven Armenia into the CU with the threat of a new Karabakh.
          Do we need such a circus?
          1. rolik
            rolik 14 September 2013 08: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: FireFly
            Putin has almost forcibly driven Armenia into the CU with the threat of a new Karabakh.

            Here it is .... the evil Russian uncle-president)))))) probably scare the naughty kids.
            - Here comes the evil uncle Vovka and .... takes you to the customs union, if you don’t obey)))))))
            You guys have once rushed to your bright future without a damned Moscow, in the early 90's, and how are things going now? Your leaders do not seem to learn from mistakes.
            I do not know how Old Man spits, I did not personally observe it. But people just do not spit when the price of gas is cheaper than in Russia))))) And how are you with the price of fuel ???
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 14 September 2013 13: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: FireFly
            The only thing that Belarus had from the “elder brothers” was hemorrhoids and eternal attempts to seize all the Fatherland’s assets.
            And if you recall the fate of industry in the same Baltic states, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.? Is there another picture?
    2. Sochi
      Sochi 13 September 2013 10: 24 New
      +4
      Tell us about the equal rights in the EU for societal members, where Ukraine will have one vote against 28 ... Where Ukraine was not even asked what it wants but ordered what and how to do.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 September 2013 10: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: FireFly
      Yes, and under your leadership?

      Share the successes of YOUR leadership. Two decades have passed since gaining independence
    4. 31231
      31231 13 September 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Slantsehazu like the author breathed in ?!

      Well, at least such nonsense in Russia, only Natsik are offended.
    5. Ustas
      Ustas 13 September 2013 14: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: FireFly
      Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership?

      As far as I remember, the USSR was under your leadership. Khrushchev, Brezhnev.
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 19: 31 New
        0
        The CCCP was led by the CPSU / KGB / Komsomol. Which, by the way, ruined him.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 13 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +9
    Good riddance !!!!! Let me stomp into the European Union. And after 10 years, this is the second crisis in Greece. There will be no war between us. We have the glory of God enough sane people. Rather, an internal war is possible which will lead to the fact that the eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea will go to Russia and a couple of western regions will become part of Romania or Poland.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 13 September 2013 09: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: "Aleksei Arestovich, who served in the Main Directorate of Intelligence some time ago, said that thousands of fighters would be enough for Ukraine to defeat Russia. "
    Of course this is bullshit. I am sure that mentally normal servicemen are serving in the armies of Russia and Ukraine. They will not allow the delusions of television journalists to be embodied in a fratricidal massacre. But time is running out. Frantic anti-Russian propaganda has been launched in Ukraine. So what the future will show. But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 11: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      I am sure that mentally normal servicemen are serving in the armies of Russia and Ukraine.

      It is so. Only now we have an army of contractors doing! How much can a contractor express his “fairy” (that is, not to fulfill the order)? And do not forget that, for example, in the Crimea, especially in Sevastopol, in recent years, most of the guys sent to the army with memory. Who, after the service, tried to settle there.
      Unfortunately, there are enough idiots-volunteers who are now actively preparing “Freedom” in different camps for schoolchildren and youth. Only in which case it will again be like under Kruty. They threw the boys schoolgirls students against the Red Army, and the authorities quickly wound up. Well, now these victims are “heroes in the struggle for Ukraine.” If, God forbid, the scenario is repeated, then it will be the same.
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 13 September 2013 13: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact

      I'll tell you a terrible secret. There, the Russians fought against the Russians.
      Besides. How do you like the idea that 90% of the losses of the Russian guys were caused by other Russians? This includes unarmed columns and a drain of information and poor financing (respectively, poor communications, few turntables, planes, the use of outdated models of equipment) and politics. Yes, a lot of things.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 13 September 2013 19: 36 New
        +4
        That should not be clever, huh?
        Russians vs Russians ... mystery, damn it, great ...
        There has always been and always will be - BUT, BUT - what is the reason ????
        The most primitive question ...
        Or a fight for ... lack of respect ... or against the Reds ... or just - PAID ... ???
        In one case - the first two - you can even treat prisoners of war.
        Paid - MERCEDES, PURE WATER. People for whom dying for money is a profession.
        Well, do not be offended.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 14 September 2013 11: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Igarr
          That should not be clever, huh?

          You contradict yourself.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 September 2013 09: 59 New
    +3
    Idiots, especially on national grounds, have always had enough.
    It is clear that there will be no war.
    Ukraine has repeatedly been part of Poland, and even part of Sweden. All repeats.
    1. ars_pro
      ars_pro 13 September 2013 10: 34 New
      +7
      Historically, everything is true, the east of Ukraine will stand and stand where it was born, it will come in handy there, and your relatives in Russia are also from the west, about whom the authorities in Kiev think the mater of Russian cities?
  • Brandashmg
    Brandashmg 13 September 2013 09: 59 New
    +9
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    But the Ukrainians have already fought against the Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. It is a fact

    Every family has its black sheep
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 13 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +8
    It’s sad to understand how easily people are led to any stupidly slept provocation. Everyone sees themselves as analysts, fighters and patriots. And to prove this race write all sorts of nonsense about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. So who is doing more harm to Russian-Ukrainian friendship? Bendera (which there are very few) or stupid pseudo-patriots?
    Author like bovulu - provocateurs, this is understandable. It is not clear why, so many people are led to such stupid provocations.
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 September 2013 11: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      It is not clear why, so many people are led to such stupid provocations.

      They like it, it's nice to feel exceptional, and to release sympathetic comments from high.
      1. largus886
        largus886 13 September 2013 12: 39 New
        +1
        And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 September 2013 13: 27 New
          +8
          Quote: largus886
          And equality must be earned

          But I don’t need it, I would be quite happy with the most ordinary business partnership.

          Quote: largus886
          e.g. strong army and navy

          You’ll be the first to start shouting that Ukraine is building up military power in order to attack NATO as the vanguard)))
          Quote: largus886
          developed industry

          Yeah, you can see few competitors.
        2. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
          +9
          Quote: largus886
          And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!

          It’s hard to come up with more stupidity. The output product information.
          1. xan
            xan 13 September 2013 14: 32 New
            -7
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Quote: largus886
            And equality must be earned, for example, by a strong army and navy, gold and foreign exchange reserves, and developed industry. And then only one cry for independence and exclusivity!

            It’s hard to come up with more stupidity. The output product information.

            what is wrong here?
            you can now easily claim equality with Honduras
            ambition then reduce
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 13 September 2013 20: 28 New
              -2
              Quote: xan
              what’s wrong here? You can calmly demand equality with Hondurasomgonor now

              That’s all for you. Do you miss Honduras? Each of your comments shows that you are a darn Honduran, i.e. root. For a long time I did not talk with impunity cattle. I'm frustrated. Anyway. The fate of you and so offended, without my help.
              1. xan
                xan 13 September 2013 22: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                That’s all for you. Do you miss Honduras? Each of your comments shows that you are a darn Honduran, i.e. root. For a long time I did not talk with impunity cattle. I'm frustrated. Anyway. The fate of you and so offended, without my help.

                I repeat once again for those who are on an armored train, who do not answer in essence, but who gain ram and spit in their mouths
                in the world among countries there is no equality and cannot be
                do you, spitting a ram, agree that it is better for Syria to have Russia, and not Ukraine, as an ally? Where is the equality here?
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 14 September 2013 11: 19 New
                  -2
                  Quote: xan
                  do you, spitting a ram, agree that it is better for Syria to have Russia, and not Ukraine, as an ally? Where is the equality here?

                  It’s hard to communicate with a moron. The conversation is not about the alliance of Syria with someone, but about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. As for who spits what, so the dog scribbled his comments. Not even a single intelligible one. There is no talk of politeness at all. Here is such a su.k.a. sits and spoils relations between Russia and Ukraine as well as bowals. Traitors to their people. Or mummers.
                  1. xan
                    xan 14 September 2013 20: 12 New
                    -1
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    The conversation is not about the alliance of Syria with someone, but about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine.

                    and what do you dislike about the relations between Russia and Ukraine?
                    Russia and Ukraine behave as they see fit and how they can behave.
                    Why are you constantly yelling about equality. You were offered - you refused. Russia has taken measures, as all adequate governments do - protecting its market. You protect yours. Are you dodik or do you need to explain political economy?
                    The example of Syria is an example of the equal rights of countries, although it was necessary to make an adjustment for your flawed IQ.
                    You don’t have to answer, your vomit from the barn is already tired, and there’s no desire to translate a worried ram into human
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 15 September 2013 15: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: xan
                      You can not answer

                      Less muck write down. And it seems more like you are yelling about someone yelling. And put your Internet courage into your own point. If you had spoken like that on the street, you would have already hung at the peak or walked with a boat zh.pu closing, you can immediately see your cock breed.
                      1. Darakht
                        Darakht 15 September 2013 15: 46 New
                        +2
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        gladiatorakz

                        What are you nervous about, comrade? I have added this individual, as well as some others, to the black list and am satisfied. There is no possibility and desire to read the schizophrenic’s nonsense, which is why I advise you, as well as advise you to communicate less with idiots, their minds will not increase, which means this communication will only harm you.
                      2. gladiatorakz
                        gladiatorakz 15 September 2013 16: 08 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Daraht
                        What are you nervous about, comrade? I have added this individual, as well as some others, to the black list and am satisfied. There is no possibility and desire to read the schizophrenic’s nonsense, which is why I advise you, as well as advise you to communicate less with idiots, their minds will not increase, which means this communication will only harm you

                        Absolutely agree. Thanks for the advice. I do not communicate much on the Internet, so I try to react as if in real life. And since in real life it does not work. (I would have lain such a smart guy with broken knees.) Well, here it is.
                        The point and what else. Add to second blacklist. But this is a kind of escape from the struggle. And it turns out that no one answers his vileness. How to be 1. Communicating with a moron (all the more so knowing that he is unpunished) is a dubious pleasure. 2. His bend extends to the form. And indirectly affects the interlocutors. Annoying them. And the slightest discrepancy in views, with the resulting irritation, translates into hostility. And further, like a snowball.
                        The hitch.
                      3. Darakht
                        Darakht 15 September 2013 16: 31 New
                        +1
                        My grandfather loved to talk, with a clever fight to gain intelligence. I try to adhere to this principle, although, of course, it doesn’t always work out when I feel emotion they start to take up above common sense - I start to ignore it. Well, you decide for yourself how you should be.
                      4. xan
                        xan 15 September 2013 22: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        The point and what else. Add to second blacklist. But this is a kind of escape from the struggle.

                        the last time I answer you, wrestler
                        Throwing poop, and this is what you do with a lack of arguments, this is not a struggle - this is a drain. When there is no answer to the essence of the question in the post, and there is vomiting - this is also a drain. You do not answer questions, you are rude in response, depicting adequat behind verbal tinsel. From this I draw a simple conclusion - you do not have enough brains, but there is nervous excitability. And from all this set you can make your mental portrait, but you will not like it. You unbalanced squelch is the most neutral.
                        And do not pretend to be an intellectual, ridiculous already.
                      5. I am a Russian
                        I am a Russian 18 September 2013 14: 15 New
                        0
                        So many "heroes" for Claudia ....
                        cheap show-offs, not yet become a man man

                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        I would have lain such a wise guy with broken knees.


                        mu8da8k you're not a gladiator
                  2. MG42
                    MG42 15 September 2013 15: 59 New
                    +5
                    Quote: xan
                    although you had to make amends for your flawed IQ.
                    You don’t have to answer, your vomit from the barn is already tired, and there’s no desire to translate a worried ram into human

                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    Less muck write down. And it seems more like you are yelling about someone yelling. And put your Internet courage into your own point. If you had spoken like that on the street, then you would have already hung at the peak or walked with a boat zh.pu closing, you can immediately see your cock breed

                    Gradually srach covers .. What in PM can not talk with each other?
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 13 September 2013 10: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: FireFly
    If everything was equal

    And it will be equitable only in the Customs Union! That's the point! But Ukraine is fixated on its independence, and so it’s ready to give it more expensive to Westerners. But with them there will never be equality!
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 08 New
      -9
      Taunt you.
      If someone is already a half-father, But father spits on the vehicle - then we have nothing to do there.
      We are in Europe, in NATO, it is so calmer.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 13 September 2013 10: 10 New
    10
    Of course, the author of the article ridiculed the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army. As for the thousands of scumbags who will go to war with Russia, then it is quite there and not even one. There are a lot of all kinds of Neo-Bandera people, especially from the western region, who will gnash their teeth against Russia, these will go to war. The question is whether they will be enough for a long time, when they are faced with real military force, I think after the first serious battle they will be drafting right into Poland. Yes, and why should Russia attack Ukraine, I won’t understand it at all? Let Russia say that it accepts South, East and Crimea under its jurisdiction and tomorrow these regions will be part of Russia. And without them, the rest of “Ukraine” will bend for several years, creeping on its knees. Only West, he will join Poland. That’s the whole war.
    1. knn54
      knn54 13 September 2013 15: 10 New
      +5
      -bistrov. As for the thousands of scumbags who will go to war with Russia, then it is quite there and not even one.
      Last year, in one of the programs, ROOT Lviv declared that "and we have someone to meet Russian tanks ... with flowers."
  • andrey777
    andrey777 13 September 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    No one will attack Ukraine, moreover, if there is an attack on Ukraine from NATO, then Russia will not stand aside, but will help the fraternal people.
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 19 New
      -9
      Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 13 September 2013 20: 35 New
        0
        Quote: FireFly
        Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO

        Perhaps (more precisely, Ukraine is not going to attack Russia))) But NATO ... no! do not!!!
        P.S. How Russian (sensible forum users) believe in the kinship and adequacy of Ukrainian brothers. So I believe that Ukrainians will not allow this! (In other words .... what m ... be his NATO?)
        1. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 18 September 2013 14: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Corneli
          So I believe that Ukrainians will not allow this! (In other words .... what m ... be his NATO?)


          they won’t give a word to say ... they’ll put it in front of the foxt Although there is little hope ... still 20 years of independence ... maybe the Ukrainians have learned something
        2. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 19 September 2013 17: 15 New
          -2
          Quote: Corneli
          Attention!


          ... it is possible ... it is not possible - it is not Julia's backside.

          From the side we will see how the geyopa and amers will begin to tear and they *** bribe *******
      2. Darakht
        Darakht 13 September 2013 20: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: FireFly
        Rather, Russia will be attacked by Russia. Therefore we need to join NATO

        Brother, you drive and drive not childishly! Do you want to Europe, USA? Go, just don’t drag the whole country there !!!
        1. FireFly
          FireFly 14 September 2013 01: 03 New
          -4
          Quote: Daraht
          Brother, you drive and drive not childishly! Do you want to Europe, USA? Go, just don’t drag the whole country there !!!

          And you yourself think and answer honestly to this question: what is the quality of life of our and your management, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live ...
          When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.
          1. Darakht
            Darakht 14 September 2013 05: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: FireFly
            And you yourself think and answer honestly to this question: what is the quality of life of our and your management, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live ...
            When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.

            So the oligarchs, they are in Russia, that in Ukraine they live well and abroad, we will not live so well abroad. We will live here and now. Well, and besides, do you think ordinary people in the USA live in Europe as well as they show us?
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 14 September 2013 13: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: FireFly
            Think and honestly answer this question: what is the quality of life of our and your leadership, as well as where this management buys villas, stores money, where their offspring study, where families live.
            When you honestly answer this question, then you will understand why we need to join NATO.
            The example of the Baltic countries and practically all the countries of the former CMEA that have passed along the SAME road, as always, did not teach ANYTHING ... request What, with the accession of all these countries to NATO has changed in these matters AT LEAST SOMETHING?
        2. rolik
          rolik 14 September 2013 08: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Daraht
          Do you want to Europe, USA?

          Who needs him there laughing Just wait, do not wait for such a dressy lad fellow lol
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 13 September 2013 10: 39 New
    +3
    ... that in Ukraine there are people who are so confident in the combat power of their army

    In fact, war is quite a costly affair. I don’t think that anyone would “harness” their budget for Ukraine. And about the "fighting efficiency" well, it's just ridiculous, well, several thousand thugs took part in the fighting in hot spots, so what (there are such ones in every country). And then what should Russia share with Ukraine?
  • vkrav
    vkrav 13 September 2013 10: 41 New
    +4
    Cool title! Thank you, neighing! If possible, it’s only partisan and only in Western women laughing .In order to fight, you need an army, and not a herd of "fierce Internet patriots of a ridiculous nenka." Not for that, for 20 years the Bucks have been throwing at the demilitarization of Ukraine so that it has a combat-ready army.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 13 September 2013 10: 41 New
    10
    The war between Russia and Ukraine is EXCLUDED! my wife is a citizen of Ukraine, so I took it and went with a gun to fight my relatives, mother-in-law, nieces, etc. Russia and Ukraine are fraternal peoples, if not united. I’ll rather go with my bare hands to strangle the wiseacres who just raise such provocative questions and woe to anyone who in reality tries to organize such a war.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 September 2013 01: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      The war between Russia and Ukraine is EXCLUDED! my wife is a citizen of Ukraine, so I took it and went with a gun to fight my relatives, mother-in-law, nieces, etc.

      I’ll go to Kiev to my relatives at the expense of the state fellow
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 13 September 2013 10: 56 New
    +3
    Another nonsense, "Svidomo" schizophrenic! Well, he loves himself .......

    In the past - a personnel officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Stock captain. Service activities were associated with developments in the field of operational psychology, conflict resolution and psychology of extreme situations.

    Since 2000, I have been conducting trainings and consultations in the field of group psychology, opposing unfair manipulations, the art of communication, public speaking, negotiation techniques, public speaking, acting, and the psychology of social contacts.

    He studied at the Odessa Institute of Ground Forces, the International Language School (UK), studied at the Russian author’s school of depth psychology "Man among the people", a student and presenter of the Rhetorical Club at the Higher Institute of Religious Sciences named after St. Thomas Aquinas (majoring in theology). Theater and film actor, TV presenter, creator of the course on teaching the art of dramatic improvisation. The author of the book “The Alphabet of Chiron. An Improvisational Drama Initial Course. ”

    I develop and conduct other trainings and consultations focused on a specific customer problem in the field of business communication and management. Extensive experience in senior positions in the public service and in business.

    Customers:

    Deloitte & Touche (Ukraine), PRP-Ukraine, Alpaca-BTL, Israeli Cultural Center in Ukraine, KSU (Department of Journalism), 007 Consulting Commercial Security Agency, Black Square TO, SB Richard Ellis (Ukraine), IMB Group , Platinum Bank, East European Institute of Psychology, UNDP Ukraine and others.
  • ko88
    ko88 13 September 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    eastern Ukraine, it is two-handed for Russia, but Western Bendery ... they are always very happy when something bad happens in Russia or things go wrong ..
  • Anper
    Anper 13 September 2013 10: 59 New
    +1
    The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using for this the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. ??????
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Anper
      The Ukrainian government publicly declares that it intends to develop relations with Europe, using the support of the majority of the Ukrainian population. ????????????

      You can declare anything. especially if you need it to your advantage. According to all kinds of polls - “For the EU” - 48%, “Za-TS” - 36%. How and with what contingent polls are conducted - we know. But even under such conditions, more than 50% was not gained. So where is the "majority"?
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 25 New
        -6
        Pure mathematics: 48 is more than 36.
        Again, this is without discounts on those who conducted the survey.
        In the light of your recent candy aggression, I think there will be another 10-15% plus for the EU.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 14 September 2013 01: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: FireFly
          In the light of your recent candy aggression, I think there will be another 10-15% plus for the EU.

          About how, already "candy aggression." Strongly hurt?
  • sven27
    sven27 13 September 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    I read the title, I don’t even want to read further!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 September 2013 11: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

    Quote: Andrew Y.
    no ... we are brothers! we can swear, even fight, but fight with each other ... no, I don’t think, reason must prevail.

    Of course we are Slav brothers, after all, Russia was once Kievan, but if the war starts, it will simply be the destruction of Ukraine! How can the countries of the former USSR generally hope for something if their territory is not larger than the Ryazan region, and all the weapons came from the same Union, and in general there would be no doubt about Georgia 08.08.08.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 13 September 2013 11: 19 New
    +7
    You got the site topwar.ru to incite ethnic hatred, if you really want the war between Ukraine and Russia, then we will be the first to cut you, for years anti-Ukrainian articles have been laid out, thereby causing the inhabitants of Russia to hate everything Ukrainian that is incomprehensible even to them!

    What a day is not necessarily a piece of g ... in the direction of Ukraine on your site! Have you been beaten by Ukrainian-speaking boys in childhood, or God forbid, raped?
    1. Imperial
      Imperial 13 September 2013 11: 56 New
      +4
      Pan "cutter", and what do you want to do with sites such as correspondent, censor, zahid? And what for me is this little article zilch, just a little man a grantoder, and all this bacchanalia will resolve after the association is signed. But this is interesting, but what will happen next? because manna will not fall on the heads of Ukrainians, what will you sing in a year? although I already guess, to paraphrase the saying, if there is no water in the tap - they drank water m ... and smile
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 13 September 2013 13: 17 New
      +4
      By the way, you’re right when reading the articles, as a third-party observer, I began to unconsciously take a hostile position towards Ukraine; I wonder what the immediate sides of this article are.
      1. romb
        romb 13 September 2013 13: 37 New
        +3
        Why be surprised. In fact, it’s very convenient, under the cover of various patriotic slogans, to carry out such large-scale events to train new hamster sonderkommands. These kinds of articles by individual authors are the tool with which the next public opinion of the vast majority of Russians is built.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 13 September 2013 21: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: T80UM1
        By the way, you’re right when reading the articles, as a third-party observer, I began to unconsciously take a hostile position towards Ukraine; I wonder what the immediate sides of this article are.
        The article is complete nonsense, Russia and Ukraine will not fight among themselves, there are a lot of economic disagreements, but this is not a reason for military action. Who knows how many soldiers in the RA have Ukrainian roots, and in UA there are soldiers with Russian roots? The names of the armies are different, and the ethnic composition is almost the same. In UA serve not only Ukrainians by nationality, but citizens of the whole country, i.e. and Armenians, Tatars, Greeks, Jews, Bulgarians, Kazakhs ... Speaking about Ukraine, for some reason they don’t remember that, like in Russia, the country is multinational. I can’t imagine a Tatar with a Ukrainian passport shooting a Tatar with a Russian passport, this applies to all nationalities. The article is provocative, the point is to turn the attention of their people from internal problems to mythical external enemies. What kind of war is it if our “guarantor” calls for us to save and has already announced a reduction in funding for the Russian Armed Forces? My mother and sister live in Ukraine, and what, my son will go to war with them ??? And I’m not the only one here, half of the North are immigrants from Ukraine. Today in Russia our problems are higher than the roof, billions of rubles are already required to eliminate the consequences of the flood, and this is not the only problem. In short, there will be no war with neighbors , not before that now. It is better to be friends, but our rulers are muda ... and they can’t find a common language either, and it’s not happy. hi
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 18: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: grafrozow
          I can’t imagine a Tatar with a Ukrainian passport shooting a Tatar with a Russian passport

          Some part of Ukrainians and Russians quite admits the idea of ​​war, but the Tatars will not fight each other under any circumstances. Even if they adhere to opposing political or religious views. The Turks do not have civil wars. Even during the Second World War, the soldiers of the Turkestan Legion and the Volga-Tatar battalions refused to fight against the Red Army, since they can’t shoot at their own.
          The Tatars have a famous play written on the basis of real events, like during the Winter War two soldiers met in the forest - the Soviet Tatar and the Finnish Tatar (a small Tatar diaspora lived there from the pre-revolutionary years). They learned about each other's ethnicity, because one of the soldiers was humming a Tatar song. They stood, chatted in their native language and dispersed in different directions, without causing each other harm, of course.
    3. sichevik
      sichevik 13 September 2013 13: 18 New
      +2
      Hey, "cutter", and "cutters" do not fall off? First look, who is the author of the article and where does he live?
      And about inciting ethnic hatred, it’s not the right place. Your great helmsman, Professor Yanukovych, has long since begun to do this for the sake of all the frantic Western Ukrainian Natsiks.
      and further. To cut us in the event of a war (if it, God forbid, starts between us, which I personally doubt very much), then you first get from Kharkov, at least to Belgorod. I am not talking about Kaluga. where I currently reside.
      Already one such djigit from the Caucasus in 2008 threatened to burst into Moscow on the shoulders of the Russian army. Even the valiant amers did not help ...
    4. general
      general 13 September 2013 16: 13 New
      +1
      Sashko - give me five !!!
      The locals drive Nedetski, a monarchy scoop seasoned with chauvinism - that's their icon and fofudia;) Nicknames like "imperial novels" or something like that especially deliver. They have an interest club here, a meeting place, about military affairs, the technique of FSUs, let them weaken them in order to belittle them. Only a few are capable of discussion.
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 14 September 2013 01: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Sashko07
      What a day is not necessarily a piece of g ... in the direction of Ukraine on your site! Have you been beaten by Ukrainian-speaking boys in childhood, or God forbid, raped?

      Because, then, the Russians will have to rake up the bunch of crap that comes after association with the EU.
  • sichevik
    sichevik 13 September 2013 11: 19 New
    11
    I already wrote that I was a talented provocateur. I was then bombarded. I will repeat again. Povoval - PROVOCATOR !!! Pop Gapon nervously smokes on the sidelines.
    1. ded_73
      ded_73 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
      +8
      I am joining! Only here I am sure that Boval and does not exist at all. So, a team of authors, or rather scouts on the Internet. "Kukryniksy" kind of ...
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 September 2013 11: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: bistrov.
    Quote: FireFly
    Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

    And you do not sign for all Ukrainians. We will hold a referendum and it will become clear to whom and what you liked.

    It’s like in America, a country with a government of shit, and people are now commenting on Putin’s article adequately, and in Ukraine where there are 10% of anti-Russians, and the rest Russians and Ukrainians criticizing anti-Russian sentiments, do they lie to be a war! The Ukrainian government is flying until the west points it to them and shuts up!
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 13 September 2013 11: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: FireFly
    And why do you have such an obsession with brotherhood? We need a more real approach to the question: Ukraine is an independent state, pursuing its own policy. And each has his own tobacco.

    Ukraine has always depended on someone else. And as for fraternal relations, it’s not only fraternal that I have half of my relatives from Ukraine and many acquaintances. I always considered us to be a single people.
    Quote: FireFly
    Sense to us to interfere in the next Soviet association, and even under your leadership? It was already like that, we did not like it.

    Yes, unfortunately, it’s not Soviet anymore, and here they are offering guidance to you to join the self-customs union, and not to the USSR. So, "firefly" think first and then write.
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrey Peter
      Yes, unfortunately, it’s not Soviet anymore, and here they are offering guidance to you to join the self-customs union, and not to the USSR. So, "firefly" think first and then write.

      What is the difference? In your TEC, the votes are distributed according to the size of the economy, that is, Russia steers the same way.
      But we don’t need such a circus.
      1. es.d
        es.d 14 September 2013 23: 49 New
        -1

        Ukraine in the EU will sweep Germany off the throne? Did you understand what you wrote? De Beals wassat And in the rest - forward, with songs. When will you start to change the railway track to the European standard (one of the conditions of the agreement)? Yes, at your own expense! This is only one of the conditions ...
        At the expense of the "war". So I see how my wife (nee ..co) bites me for ..EEEEE ..
  • pavlo007
    pavlo007 13 September 2013 11: 33 New
    -11
    I always said that there is no alternative to the war with "Ukraine". The very existence of this puppet formation in the occupied South Russian lands is a national humiliation of Russia and excludes its further existence.
    I have precisely the war with the puppet Reichskomisariat "Ukraine" and not with Russian people living in the temporarily occupied territory. But with the so-called "Ukrainians" will have to fight because it is not a nationality but a political position. With ROA, by the way, there were very fierce battles, even tougher than with the Germans, since the traitors had nothing to lose.
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 32 New
      0
      An alternative - it is always there.
      You, for example, need to go to a mental hospital and be treated. if it doesn’t help, stay there forever.
      Here is such an alternative, panimash laughing
  • Kars
    Kars 13 September 2013 11: 47 New
    +5
    Soon, Belarus and Kazakhstan joined this ban.


    23 August 2013 | 16: 31
    The State Sanitary and Epidemiological Surveillance Committee of the Ministry of Health of Kazakhstan did not find any violations of the product quality of the Ukrainian company Roshen, said the deputy chairman of the committee, Nurken Sadvokasov.

    "The research of Roshen confectionery candies has ended ... The samples tested have indicators that comply with established hygiene standards. No benzapiren has been detected. Since no products that do not meet hygiene standards have been identified, there are grounds for introducing measures to limit the import of Roshen products into the territory There is no Kazakhstan, "Sadvakasov specified.

    Accredited laboratories investigated 101 type of sweets produced by Roshen (Kiev, Mariupol, Vinnitsa (Ukraine), Lipitsky (Russia) confectionery factories). The products were tested for the content of heavy metals (lead, cadmium, mercury), aflotoxins. In addition, sweets were tested for benzapyrene.

    As reported, Rospotrebnadzor introduced a ban on the supply of confectionery products from the Russian factories of Roshen Corporation to the Russian Federation due to inappropriate quality. Later, Rospotrebnadzor formally asked Kazakhstan to ban the import of Roshen confectionery products.





    Belarus has banned the import into its territory of the products of the Inkerman vintage wine factory,


    There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wines LLC into the Republic of Belarus. This was reported in the press service of the enterprise.

    So, according to the Inkerman Vintage Wine Factory LLC, it sent a consignment of wines in the assortment of 4 positions to the Republic of Belarus in accordance with the Contract for the supply of alcoholic beverages.

    “According to information from the accredited certification body of the RUE“ Scientific Practical Center of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus for Food ”(letter No. 15-9 / 2059 from 22.07.13) - 05.07.13 tested the wine of the ordinary table semisweet white“ Inkerman Legend ”.

    Based on the test results, the certificate of conformity No. WU / 112 03.13.038 2063 6 was suspended, but only for the 1 position. Since the validity of the certificate of conformity extended to 4 positions of wine, one of which was recognized as non-conforming, the certification body issued a new certificate of conformity to other 3 positions, ”the message said.

    So, the other three positions of wine correspond to the requirements of regulatory documents of the Republic of Belarus and are subject to further implementation.

    There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wine Plant LLC into the Republic of Belarus.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 September 2013 13: 26 New
      -5
      Quote: Kars
      There is no ban on the import of wine products manufactured by Inkerman Vintage Wine Plant LLC into the Republic of Belarus.
      Will be...
      1. Kars
        Kars 13 September 2013 13: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: retired
        Be.

        Are you a prophet? But in fact, they wrote a lie in the article.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 13 September 2013 13: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Are you a prophet? But in fact, they wrote a lie in the article.

          He is not a prophet, he is a senior citizen. But in fact, in such articles it’s more ukroinophobic than his comments - you need to look. Such pure and uncomplicated hatred is rare. ONLY negative comments, no facts, no discussion.
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 13 September 2013 13: 53 New
          +5
          I may not be a prophet. Although regarding Ukraine, prophecies are not difficult to do. The author just looked a little into the future. And from myself I’ll add. According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could start writing statements on their own ... With one project organization from Ukraine (in the same place in the North) in case of signing an agreement with the EU the contract will be terminated (they wanted to extend it). Like this. And this is just what I directly know in this regard ... Especially I WILL SEEK. So, there will be EVERYTHING.
          1. Kars
            Kars 13 September 2013 14: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: retired
            all Ukrainians working in it, that they can begin to write statements on their own.

            let them go home.
            Quote: retired
            in case of signing an agreement with the EU, the contract will be terminated

            then stop.
            Quote: retired
            The author just looked a little into the future.

            is it now so called a lie?
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 13 September 2013 14: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              then stop.

              Correctly. Own existence. Where will they design gas pipelines in Ukraine?
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 13 September 2013 14: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: retired
            According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could start writing statements on their own ... With one project organization from Ukraine (in the same place in the North) in case of signing an agreement with the EU the contract will be terminated (they wanted to extend it). Like this.

            Q.E.D. It would seem, moreover, what is the "apprehension" of the CU that, if the ZTS is signed, European goods will go to Russia under the guise of "Ukrainian" ones. The main emphasis in the summer "wars" was precisely this? And neither workers, nor "project organizations" under the customs and the alleged import of counterfeit goods does not fall. And here on those ... you won’t do what we want WE (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 13 September 2013 14: 22 New
              -4
              Quote: Corneli
              And here on those ... you won’t do what we want WE (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...

              Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 13 September 2013 14: 36 New
                +2
                Quote: retired
                Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...

                The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...
                An excellent justification for the actions of your country, which you justify and consider correct, without forgetting to look for "logs" in the actions of Ukraine ...
                1. xan
                  xan 13 September 2013 14: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Corneli
                  The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...
                  A great excuse for my country’s actions,

                  That's when they will drop bombs, then you'll roll a barrel to Russia.
                  And now your ideals of democracy are doing this
                  1. Corneli
                    Corneli 13 September 2013 15: 01 New
                    +7
                    Quote: xan
                    That's when they will drop bombs, then you'll roll a barrel to Russia.

                    "When will be," I will do other things. And so ... there is something, you can ride. And excuses in style, it’s not something we do (bad), but "the world is so worn out ..." everyone loves when they feel comfortable. So everything is written there correctly, and the parallel is drawn correctly.
                    Quote: xan
                    And now your ideals of democracy are doing this

                    Nothing more than your imagination, the West and its culture (in its modern form) are not my "ideal", they have reached the point of absurdity in everyday life and have too much lies in the foreign policy.
                    1. xan
                      xan 13 September 2013 23: 22 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Corneli
                      And excuses in style, it’s not something we do (bad), but "the world is so worn out ..." everyone loves when they feel comfortable.

                      you believe that we are pressing you - we believe that our government protects our market
                      you have your own truth, we have our own - that's how the world works
                      Do you want justice among states?
                2. pensioner
                  pensioner 13 September 2013 16: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Corneli
                  The F-15 pilot said, dropping missiles onto a sleeping Serbian city ...

                  Yes, in which case you’ll also hang these missiles to him. Somewhere there, deep in your soul, you will say: “God forgive me!”, But you won’t release the wrench from your hands and wave it after the handle ... But why? Yes, because:
                  So the world is arranged ...
                  1. Corneli
                    Corneli 13 September 2013 20: 17 New
                    +3
                    Quote: retired
                    Yes, in which case you’ll also hang these missiles to him. Somewhere there, deep in your soul, you will say: “God forgive me!”, But you won’t release the wrench from your hands and wave it after the handle ... But why? Yes, because:

                    During the rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) of Russia (especially in the person of various "pensioners" with symptoms of megalomania) YES! Only in front of the control in the head (and the soul said “God forgive me”) Only the last words, just in the face, to such “attackers” would be “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!” (as an exception, I could add your "immortal" quote ... "WELL TO DO .... SO THE WORLD IS SET UP")
                    P.S. And actually, I’m deeply on ... who will attack my country! Who attacks, that ur! And must die! With all the consequences!
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 13 September 2013 22: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Corneli
                      During the rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) of Russia
                      And in the opposite situation, if Ukraine is forced into an attack on the Russian Federation as part of a European Union rabble (under the threat of non-acceptance in the EU and closing customs)? Do you think SUCH is impossible? And who would believe 20 years ago that Georgian peacekeepers would slaughter their sleeping Russian neighbors in the bloc, and then strike the MLRS in Tskhinval’s sleeping peaceful neighborhoods?
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 13 September 2013 22: 14 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And in the opposite situation, if Ukraine is forced into an attack on the Russian Federation as part of a European Union rabble (under the threat of non-acceptance in the EU and the closure of customs)?

                        The alignment is of course interesting - but only WHY and HOW? A living wave or something? Or is it all the same easier to hit the Leningrad and Moscow from the Baltic countries with tomahawks? From there closer than from Ukraine.

                        Quote: Misantrop
                        that Georgian peacekeepers will slaughter their sleeping Russian neighbors in the bloc, and then strike the MLRS in Tskhinval’s sleeping peaceful neighborhoods?

                        and what’s wrong with that? Georgians didn’t beat them on the territory of the Russian Federation. And the war there was in the 90's, so there was nothing surprising, and the Europeans vryatly beat the Europeans at that.
                      2. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 13 September 2013 22: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        That's just why and how?
                        This question is better to ask Saakashvili. What he REALLY hoped, starting a war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Just do not answer, cattle ... Most likely, he himself is not in the know. He was ordered, he commanded. The owners most often do not explain their lackeys, only command
                      3. FireFly
                        FireFly 14 September 2013 01: 17 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        This question is better to ask Saakashvili. What he REALLY hoped, starting a war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX

                        And you do not need to expose yourself in the events of 888 as white and fluffy.
                        And it turns out funny: the exercises were held - the troops did not withdraw - the provocation of the Georgians - and we are already right there! Here is luck, huh?

                        In one, Sahak laughed: the Roki Tunnel did not blow up while there was an opportunity. I believed in your fables about the alleged removal of the wounded, the humanist horseradish, lost time and almost lost the country.
                      4. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 14 September 2013 01: 42 New
                        +3
                        Quote: FireFly
                        Sahak was in one: he didn’t blow up the Roki tunnel while there was an opportunity
                        If he had the opportunity, he would have done it. Humanism has nothing to do with it ... request
                    2. Kars
                      Kars 14 September 2013 09: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      This question is better to ask Saakashvili

                      But I didn’t ask you questions in Georgia, therefore, sookashvili has nothing to ask me about.
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      He was ordered, he commanded

                      Who ordered that? And why? The US needs a base in Tskhenvali))
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      The owners most often do not explain their lackeys, only command

                      Well, I don’t know, if the owners - why is everything so poorly planned? Even I cherish the hope that I would have planned much better, so that everything would have lasted much longer.
              2. xan
                xan 13 September 2013 23: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Corneli
                YES! Only in front of the control in the head (and the soul said “God forgive me”) Only the last words, just in the face, to such “attackers” would be “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!” (as an exception, I could add your "immortal" quote ... "WELL TO DO .... SO THE WORLD IS SET UP")

                Internet terminator, give an example of successful protection of your land by Ukrainians
                and with tongue you are experts
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 14 September 2013 01: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: Corneli
                During the rosklad, attacks on Ukraine (the country where I, my relatives, wife and children live) of Russia (especially in the person of various "pensioners" with symptoms of megalomania) YES! Only in front of the control in the head (and uttered in the soul "God forgive me")

                Well, how do you imagine the Russian attack on Ukraine?
                Tank columns going southwest, Russian aviation bombing Ukrainian cities and a million soldiers with AKMs at the ready storm the Ukrainian border? This will not happen.
                Remember how they took Afghanistan.
          3. 31231
            31231 13 September 2013 17: 18 New
            +5
            And what are you unhappy with ?! We have to employ our own. And these places will not be empty. Does your leadership think about you ?! So why should ours think about you ?!
            Tomorrow, Yanyki will call cheaper Chinese to your place, will you like such a policy ?! Here is our right to employ citizens of our country, and not the neighboring one. Yes, we are brothers! But why is our leadership to blame? What is your thinking?
        3. FireFly
          FireFly 13 September 2013 20: 38 New
          -6
          Quote: retired
          Well, what to do ... So the world is arranged ...

          The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 13 September 2013 22: 23 New
            0
            Quote: FireFly
            The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.
            laughing tongue fool
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 14 September 2013 00: 36 New
              +1
              Yura hi Hi drinks That so few emoticons set? It would be better belay what fool angry tongue wassat
              1. FireFly
                FireFly 14 September 2013 01: 23 New
                -4
                Quote: Ruslan67

                Monkeys also know how to make faces ...
                And as for gas - very soon you will experience all the charms of the lack of marketing for your loved ones.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 14 September 2013 01: 37 New
                  +4
                  Quote: FireFly
                  Monkeys also know how to make faces ...

                  Are you about yourself?
                  Quote: FireFly
                  very soon you will experience all the charms of a lack of marketing for your loved ones.

                  Well, we then gasify what we can’t do now due to the released volumes. But how will the green look at the situation when you drag the last log into the stove? what And good advice, before you be rude to someone, ask who is hu? And then your life on the site will be very short hi
                2. rolik
                  rolik 14 September 2013 09: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  drag the last log into the stove?

                  And who will be the last log ????)))))) It seems to me that it will be the wise Yanukovych)))))))
              2. sichevik
                sichevik 14 September 2013 09: 27 New
                +2
                Yarik, didn’t you think that unlike you, besides gas and oil, we still have a lot of all sorts of useful things that are very important for normal human life? And our industry is slowly, albeit very slowly, but very confidently gaining momentum. Again, unlike you ...
                So in three years we’ll see. who and where to crawl.
        4. Misantrop
          Misantrop 13 September 2013 23: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: FireFly
          The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.
          Hello, Baba Wang! wassat laughing
        5. xan
          xan 13 September 2013 23: 33 New
          0
          Quote: FireFly
          The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil. And all because you will have nothing to eat, because there will be no money.

          a voice came from the barn.
          I would immediately write that you are a woodpecker
          although I wrote something like this
        6. rolik
          rolik 14 September 2013 09: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: FireFly
          The world is designed so that in three years you will crawl on your knees, begging to buy your gas or oil

          Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha laughing Petrosyan is resting))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
          Everything ..... nothing more to say)))))))
    2. xan
      xan 13 September 2013 14: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Corneli
      And neither workers, nor "project organizations" under the customs and the alleged import of counterfeit goods does not fall. And here on those ... you won’t do what we want WE (Russia) - "turn off the gas" ...

      no need to dissolve snot here
      independent - take action
      “All great countries behave like bandits, small like prostitutes” (Stanley Kubrick)
    3. grafrozow
      grafrozow 13 September 2013 22: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Corneli
      Q.E.D. It would seem, where does the "fear" of the vehicle,
      A pensioner threw a misinformation, not all firms hire foreigners, but if this happened, here in the North we would be the first to know, not the "third" hands.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 13 September 2013 22: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: grafrozow
        The pensioner threw a misinformation

        No, not disinfect. A friend from N. Urengoy said. They asked Ukrainians at the company ... Maybe it’s not connected with the FTZ, but it’s a fact. How many of them are there - I don’t know. And I know about the designers. Communicated with them in March of this year. Here there really some technical things come up in connection with the entry of Ukraine into the FTZ. They explained to me, but I didn’t really get it.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 13 September 2013 22: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          No, not disinfect. A friend from N. Urengoy said. They asked Ukrainians at the company.
          If the whole "company" is three people, and one of them is Ukrainian, then I believe. I don’t know the gas condensate company in N. Urengoy, please enlighten.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 14 September 2013 00: 45 New
            0
            Quote: grafrozow
            N. Urengoy gas condensate company, please enlighten.

            Good. Tomorrow. I mean today.
  • 31231
    31231 13 September 2013 17: 05 New
    +2
    Vankorneft ?! In Severgazmontazh and Burgaz there are many Ukrainian citizens. True, many have already received Russian citizenship. I feel sorry for them. Good working men become hostages to politicians.
    I have a good friend. Former nominal zapadents. Several times on the "pipes" met. The first time I met, I asked him Who did you vote for Yushch. He answered me. Yes, my fool, and her relatives. The last time 3 years ago I saw him. Divorced. Received our citizenship and bought housing in Krasnodar.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 13 September 2013 22: 09 New
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Vankorneft ?! In Severgazmontazh and Burgaz there are many Ukrainian citizens.

      I’ll add, to RITEK, GHS, FTA-drilling, ANGS, I can add, and this is only for Nadym.
      1. rolik
        rolik 14 September 2013 12: 48 New
        0
        Quote: grafrozow
        I’ll add, to RITEK, GHS, FTA-drilling, ANGS, I can add, and this is only for Nadym.

        There are a lot of Ukrainians in the Arkhanegle province, as it has long been so. Absolutely normal-adequate people go to Ukraine only to help relatives. I am personally acquainted with the head of a construction company from the region, a very decent and again decent guy. About him only in positive emotions. How people change, it is only necessary to come to Russia, and immediately become sane. This is what normal work means; it ennobles a person. And when it is not and is not expected, everything becomes very sad. Writing begins with signs of schizophrenia and megalomania. And the hu ..... her affairs (sorry worse) in the homeland of the writer, the more clearly the above diagnoses appear. Naturally, this is not said about all visitors, but only about those who have already begun irreversible changes in their MOSCOWS (this is not a typo), it is MOSCOW, and not the brain, that is responsible for the thought processes of such individuals.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 13 September 2013 22: 40 New
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Vankorneft ?!

      No. By gas condensate ... N. Urengoy. Oil producing is by inertia I wrote.
      Quote: 31231
      Divorced. Received our citizenship and bought housing in Krasnodar.
      Our person.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 13 September 2013 21: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    According to my information, one oil company (not very large, but noticeable in the North) notified all Ukrainians working in it that they could begin to write statements on their own ..
    All the same, write the name of the company, very interesting. Oil and gas production is not sewing underwear, here the “cooperatives” do not work. Please facts, not rumors. hi
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 September 2013 11: 50 New
    +3
    Satan, that self-serving and low,
    wants the brothers to pit mongrels,
    to tear your jackpot off satanic,
    on brothers shed blood.


    An aspen stake to this Satan, or a silver bullet. But it’s impossible!
    Now we are not brothers and not neighbors?
    But what about Kievan Rus?
    Or it was so long ago that one could not remember. But what about the people!