Syria. Disturbing thoughts following upcoming events

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Syria. Disturbing thoughts following upcoming events


Recently, I read a lot of opinions of members of the forum about Syria. I could not resist and decided to express my thoughts on this matter. I do not pretend to a depth analysis of the geopolitical and military aspects of the conflict, I just allow myself to express in the text those anxieties and considerations that constantly sit in my head and do not give rest. Especially now, when the situation is tangibly tense, and many are wondering whether they will be hit or not.

I think it is no secret that the events in Libya and Syria are interconnected and the links of one chain. The situations there are in many ways similar in the original scenario, but very different in their development consequences. It all starts the same way - in states with internal contradictions, protests against government policies are provoked, then unknown snipers appear, riots, then unknown militants appear attacking police stations and military units, and then a massive injection into the media about bloody regimes that kill their own people ... All this we know. In Libya, we did not interfere, we intervened in the events in Syria. As they say, the result is obvious. But in Syria, everything else, the situation is much more complicated, Syria is surrounded by rather hostile states (Israel, Turkey, and, as it turned out, Jordan). Only Lebanon and Iraq are neutral. There was no such thing in Libya, but there was a long sea coast, and the enemies of the country took advantage of it to crush the forces of loyal Gaddafi into separate centers of resistance. Intervene, we then, but do not change Libya to the WTO - everything could be different and tens of thousands of lives could be saved, but what happened happened ...

I have a firm conviction that all the same in the near future, strikes on Syria will be inflicted. And I will try to explain why I think so. In Syria, the interests of too many countries and the poles of power are currently concentrated. For a start, it makes sense to disassemble the goals (the most obvious) of the opponents and allies of Syria, and their interests, even if very rude. Let's start with the neighboring states - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and even Israel are interested at least in weakening the SAR. At the same time, each of them has its own interests, but they all became common within the framework of the destruction or weakening of Syria.

Let's start with the simplest - Israel. As though representatives of Israel did not speak dismissively about the armed forces of Syria, nevertheless for them this is probably the only real threat in the region at the moment, since it is the only militarily powerful country with which Israel has a border and which is not connected with Israel by any peace treaties. Turkey, with which Israel has strained relations, to put it mildly, is much further away, and although it is technically equipped better than Syria, it does not pose a direct threat to Israel (at least for now). Therefore, with all this, Israel is extremely interested, if not in weakening the country, then in changing the political course of Syria for sure. In the meantime, Assad is in power - his pro-Israel, completely independent policy, unlike Jordan, is hardly possible. Well, the main thing - Syria - an ally of Iran. Those. in a hypothetical future, if suddenly, God forbid, a serious conflict between Israel and Iran occurs, then the Iranian ground forces and the IRGC will have a bridgehead for an overland invasion of Israel and the territory for its Air Force and missile forces, which is immediate and serious for Israel threat to national security. With the modern politics of Iraq - this option does not seem too fantastic. Israel has no such bridgeheads. Therefore, the policy of Israel, I at least understand. It now seems to them that even Wahhabi chaos with single missile launches across its territory may seem less evil than the Iranian army with tactical missiles within 100km from the state border ...

Further Saudi Arabia and Qatar - here it’s probably not a question of survival, but a question of money, a question of influence. These countries have entered into a temporary alliance with Turkey in order to destroy competing countries that can claim future leadership in the Arab / Muslim world of the Middle East. There were a lot of such applicants before - Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Syria ... Look who's left now. The monarchies of the Persian Gulf countries are looking far ahead, I understand perfectly well that in the future they will be able to survive only by creating a center of power under one leadership, and naturally, each of them wants to see this leadership as his own. Syria in this regard prevents them from interfering with the fact that it is an ally of Iran, that it is pursuing a relatively independent policy of monarchies, and it is also a conductor of the policies of other players (Russia and China), which greatly complicates the rather comfortable existence of these states as a political and economically (the development of the pipeline network from Qatar through Syria to Europe is constrained by the presence of Russian interests in Syria). Accordingly, since neither Qatar nor Saudi Arabia possesses strong combat-ready armies, they prefer to influence the situation with an available resource, namely money.

Next Turkey. With Turkey, it seems to me all the more difficult. Turkey has interests in Syria — it’s not even so much an influence — as a question of ambitions, very big and serious. Erdogan may have threatened to restore the Ottoman Empire, albeit in a smaller format, but nevertheless, at least a significant expansion of the sphere of influence of Turkey in the region. And the natural opponent here is Syria with Iran standing behind its back. Turkey has a powerful and well-equipped army to solve these tasks, and NATO is behind it. To fight Iran, you need to start to change the power in Syria, and even better break up the country into fragments and then put the authorities loyal to the Turkish authorities. Unlike Saudi Arabia, the Turks were not afraid to use their special forces for operations in Syria. They are much more determined and dangerous than the Saudis, and they are most interested in the destruction of Syria as a single state. And Erdogan is unlikely to accept the fact that Assad will be able to defeat the militants and regain control of the country. Of course, sooner or later, Turkey will grapple with Saudi Arabia, this is inevitable (and the events on Taksim Square, it seems to me, were just the prologue of these future events), but for the time being, these different players have a common goal - they will play agreed.

Now global level - Great Britain and France (and for the most part the whole EU) - well, besides the execution of commands from the US, I think the EU is interested in increasing alternative energy supplies to Russia in order to reduce the dependence of industrialized EU countries on the Russian Federation. This seems to me to be the main reasons, i.e. in this they simply play along with Qatar. Naturally, we are not talking about any democratic values.

And the last and most important thing is the USA. We can speak very, very much about the goals of the United States (or rather, not even the United States, but for people who make decisions in the United States to please supranational government structures). The goal is primary and the simplest and most obvious - the weakening of Iran’s position in the region. A more serious goal is to oust Russia and China from the Middle East region. The main goal is to drag the region into the center of complete destabilization, with the subsequent escalation of this destabilization to Central Asia, Russia and Europe, and subsequently to the western borders of China. Bleeding everyone with everyone and undermining the economy of all potential US competitors in the world. US forces (military and economic) will beware for the subsequent global confrontation with a weakened China and Russia (or rather, not even confrontation, but active action). About Europe, most likely it is not necessary to speak. From my narrow-minded point of view, the plan is very, very risky, with a huge number of variables, a completely unobvious result, but once it began to be implemented, it means that the alternatives are even worse, at least for its authors ...

Now about the allies of Syria - they are few ...

China - China is faced with the fact that he began to lose investments in other countries. A number of coups in African countries led to squeezing the PRC from there, then there was Libya, now Syria. Syria is, first of all, an attempt to protect its economic interests, and the first serious attempt to snap at the United States in the future global confrontation at long-range borders. But no more than that. It’s simply unrealistic to expect decisive military action from China ...

Iran - with all the rhetoric that is degrading Iran, this is a completely self-sufficient and strong state that survived more than one blockade, the hardest protracted war of attrition with Iraq (and not only with Iraq) and despite this it managed to develop its scientific and technical potential to a sufficiently serious level. Iran has been conducting an independent policy for quite a long time, and despite the efforts of very many countries, it has quite a large influence in the region. The main and most powerful opponent of Iran in the region is Israel. Israel, as a country possessing sufficiently large stocks of nuclear weapons, strong air force and missile technology represents a direct threat to the security of Iran. To compensate for these advantages, Iran is actively developing missile technology and has as an ally Syria as a direct means of pressure on Israel in the event of a conflict. Without Syria, Iran loses this tool and becomes significantly more vulnerable to preventive strikes until the creation of its own nuclear weapons. As soon as this moment comes, Syria’s value for Iran will diminish, since Iran will be able to ensure its security by medium-range missiles with nuclear warheads, but even in this scenario Syria is very necessary for Iran. Therefore, Iran will hold on to it for as long as possible, helping equipment, ammunition and troops if required.

Russia - here with our country the most difficult attempt to conduct an analysis. For our part, this is not only an attempt to save Gazprom, and as a result, the budget of Russia. There is more like a struggle for survival, an attempt to stop the approaching chaos, to create at least some kind of system of alliances from adequate states to resist the coming shock wave (or rather the war), which will inevitably cover us soon and try to gain time and save international law. And the policy of our country cannot but cause satisfaction - the official position of non-interference of external forces and the refusal of intervention, compliance with international law and strict observance of all laws, and at the same time non-advertised support for Syria, the supply of weapons and equipment, information support and information warfare. The only effective and flexible, correct position. It is effective, though, if only because the invasion was actually postponed for a year and a half. As the saying goes, "Practice is the criterion of truth ..." if it works, then it is true.

But, with all this analysis, very rude, the situation with the world in the region is still, although it’s not stable anyway, much better than war. But the leaders of countries interested in stirring up fires do not seem to understand this. Why? Because each of them believes that he is keeping the situation under control.

Now about the prospects. Everything that happened in the last year in the domestic, and as a result in the foreign policy of the USA, is a consequence of the most serious internal struggle. We have decided to simplify everything - there are hawks and pigeons. The hawks put pressure on Obama, he resists them. But it seems to me not so simple. People like DA Medvedev is sitting not only in the Russian Federation, but as practice shows, there are such in the EU, in the USA and in many other countries. Those. these people pursue a policy advantageous to supra-government structures, and not by the national interests of these countries. A classic example is modern France. I would venture to suggest that in the United States the struggle is between the US patriots led by Obama and these people serving supranational interests. And I can not say that Obama is a bad president. He understands perfectly well what the US’s policies are trying to push through, and he desperately resists it. But again, judging by the latest events, his faction loses, or has already lost. And that means losing the US themselves. It seems that the decision has already been made, the deployment of strike groups in the region has begun. Turkey has intensified, France and Great Britain are making extraordinarily militant statements and sending attack planes and equipment to the forward bases. The mechanism spun, and it would be more expensive to stop it than to let it go to full speed. Problems with the economy do not confuse anyone - neither France nor the UK - barely got out of the past crisis. The position of Germany can no longer stop anyone. The US economy is now on the growth stimulated by the printing of money, the population and the near-minded pseudo-economists have the illusion that the crisis is over, so many will swallow another victorious campaign against the bloodthirsty regime in Syria. And when the effect of the printing press will end (and it will definitely end, and many far-sighted people understand this perfectly) - what will the United States be with? But this is not important yet, the main chaos in the Middle East and Central Asia. And the same people who are pumping up the situation with Syria will donate the United States as well as all other countries, if necessary, in their global policy of manipulating it means nothing.



But the whole cynicism of the situation is that none of the player states will benefit from the fall of Syria. Qatar and Europe will not receive reliable gas supplies through the gas pipeline through Syria, Israel will receive instead of one, even if not very friendly, but nevertheless predicted state a bunch of feudal-fragmented principalities or rather jamaats stuffed with weapons (including chemical) from arsenals Syria, Turkey will receive a Kurdish autonomous region with Kurds feeling freedom, armed with heavy armored vehicles, while Saudi Arabia risks remaining without any influence or at war with gangs, spon supported by the Turks. And the United States - at first they will certainly achieve their original goals, but what will happen next? At least someone will be able to predict how events will develop in a couple of months after the change of power in Syria. Livia, before my eyes, but I repeat, there were no such influential and belligerent neighbor states. Yes, and Egypt - from the same area as an example. I am afraid that wars will begin between militants supported by different states, tribes, then it will all spread to Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain ... Who will stop all this by force of forces? A rhetorical question ...

How events will develop - I am sure that most likely according to the Libyan scenario - strikes with cruise missiles, then bombing, then special forces under the guise of militants (and the militants themselves) at key points, and then open input of "peacekeeping" forces. All this under the picture in the media about the atrocities of the government forces. Turkey can immediately try to invade and occupy the territory controlled by the militants ...

What can Syria do - only one thing - to resist and hold out as long as possible, shoot down as many planes as possible, try to attack ships on the coast and destroy as many militants as possible. Time will work on Syria and against the aggressors.

What can Iran do - if Iran understands that resistance in Syria is not immediately suppressed and the country resists, and Russia continues ideological, informational and military-technical support - by agreement through Iranian territory they can transfer a limited military contingent, they can threaten the United States to mine the Strait of Hormuz and defiantly do it on a smaller scale. By conducting an operation against Syria, the United States will not be able to immediately switch to Iran, and this may give just that delay of several months, which can give an economic effect during the blockade of the strait. Everything will depend on the situation. The longer Syria can hold on, the more likely it is to survive as an independent country.

What Russia - I am sure that all military technical measures have already been taken, everything that is needed in Syria has been delivered. We need only one thing - not to give up and not give up the slack. Deliver weapons to Tartus (as long as it is possible), send ammunition, send intelligence, interfere, provide information support, treat the Syrian wounded, assist in troop control, wage information war and constantly defend their position at the diplomatic level, maintain diplomatic pressure on the state aggressors , constantly raise the issue of stopping aggression in the UN (at least China would support us in this). I see no other options. The troops will not enter there, it is almost impossible, to supply them will not work in large quantities. But the main thing is to prepare ourselves for “democratization”. Probably the most important thing now is to withdraw all the reserves from the US securities and bring this money into the boom of industry and agriculture. Develop an army. And if Syria does not succeed in defending, fight for Iran, as if someone did not like it. We no longer have countries capable of resisting western chaos.

Well, a bit of common thought. You know, we are all very fortunate that we live in Russia and belong to Russian culture, Russian worldview, based on a sense of justice ... For it gives me the impression that it looks like we are the only ones who resist the chaos of the new world war. Despite the collapse, the dominance of traitors and thieves in all echelons of power, the country is trying to stop this darkness that goes to the whole world. Will it, time will tell. But I believe that will work out. It will be a long, hard road, but it must be passed.
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  1. +2
    28 August 2013 18: 42
    Assad announced today that if the West begins military operations against Syria, it and its allies will at the same moment deliver the most powerful blow to Israel. The entire Middle East will explode.
  2. +1
    28 August 2013 18: 54
    Quote: man
    But we won’t be able to rattle our weapons now because there is almost none.


    And you, young man, when did you manage to count? Life - it’s like that - today it’s not here, but it’s already there tomorrow. It just depends on whether it’s pessimism or optimism!!! It seems that no one has yet lost their shit from optimism, but from pessimism, it depends.
  3. 0
    28 August 2013 18: 54
    How many strategists have gathered here! And most importantly, all the decisive ones - “bang” here, “bang” there, “plant poplars” How easy and pleasant it must be to be brave and decisive, sitting with a beer at the computer and talking about the indecision and cowardice of your president, foreign minister and everything the rest of the leadership Only, unlike us, they are much better informed, have a much more realistic idea of ​​the strengths and capabilities of Russia at the present time, and most importantly, they bear real responsibility for the fate of the country and actually do something for this, unlike Internet strategists Well, everything’s great - if, as Snowden says, the NSA is spying on the Internet and monitoring this discussion, then the Amers will not bomb Syria - they will really be afraid of our tough guys
  4. Backfire
    -14
    28 August 2013 20: 02
    Hmm, well, what can I say to the author of the article - the “scoop” from the head can only be removed, it seems, with a crowbar.
    He gave such a pseudo-political layout that at least right now he is a regional committee instructor in ideology.

    Everything is simple, everything is very simple.
    Immense reserves of oil and gas have been found on the Syrian shelf - this time.
    Syria rejected Qatar's proposal to lay a gas pipeline to Europe - that's two.
    The reason is the Great Pu, who promised Assad a “roof.” Otherwise, gas prices in Europe would fall and the dreams of a Gas Empire would end.

    It was precisely counting on the support of Russia and China that Assad decided not to share - but to take everything himself, to hit the jackpot. I've finished the game. Now, after Lavrov’s words: “that we (Russia) are not going to fight with anyone,” it turns out that Putler simply set up and cheated Assad.

    The Putler regime squandered the “golden decade” when oil and gas dollars could be used to “restart” the country.
    By promising Assad “protection” and not giving the opportunity to either build alternative gas pipelines to Europe or arrange a normal tender for the extraction and development of the formations found on the shelf, it was the Kremlin Dwarf who provoked this war. Well, he provoked and provoked - politics is a dirty business, and big politics and big money are always blood. But he “dumped” the one to whom he promised the roof at the most critical moment. I'm not saying that the war should have started. There were a lot of options on how to play more subtly and smarter. But Lavrov’s statement is a complete capitulation and 100% cheating of Assad.
    1. Garyk701
      +1
      28 August 2013 21: 00
      What do you mean by the Syrian shelf? A narrow strip of 150 km between Lebanon and Turkey where the depth does not exceed 200 m. Why not, but luck fell on this tape in the form of oil and gas, it was a stroke of luck, Assad hit the jackpot. And then micro-Qatar decided to throw 2 thousand km of pipe into the desert across 4 countries, so that the old world enjoyed the gas, why not go straight to P-indo-stan? What difference would it make to the Arabs where they can buy gas for pennies!? And then the bloody Ka-Krab pooped all the raspberries on the Qatar Arabs. And the crux of the situation is that peacemakers like PI-ndos do not like it when jackpots happen not to them, but even to the contrary to the Arabs, which is categorically not according to Darwin and not even according to Halacha! And where is the justice?! As long as there is Israel nearby, the right shelf went to some Assad. This is not NATO style!
      1. Backfire
        -4
        28 August 2013 21: 10
        This information was provided to the Lebanese television channel Al Mayaddin by Dr. Imad Fawzi Shuaibi, head of the Center for Strategic Research and Data, in Damascus.

        14 oil basins have been found in Syrian territorial waters, and until now this data has been classified. The research was carried out by the Norwegian company Ancis.

        In an episode of the "Dialogue of Time" program on Al Mayaddin channel, Dr. Shuaibi said: "Geological exploration of the Syrian coast and its territorial waters in an area of ​​about 5 square kilometers has confirmed that there are 000 oil fields there, carried out by a Norwegian company called "Ancis"

        Shuaibi revealed that among the 14 oil fields, "there are four oil fields with an area from the Lebanese border to the Syrian city of Banias, includes oil production equivalent to the oil production of the state of Kuwait, and 4 other oil fields in total equivalent to those in Lebanon, Cyprus and Israel combined."

        In terms of gas reserves, Syria will be in 4th place in the world. And the oil that will be produced will be from 6-7 million barrels per day (In Saudi Arabia, 12 million barrels are produced per day)

        Shuaibi believes that these oil reserves have been a "curse" on Syria, after "The question is, is it acceptable to have these energy resources in one state in this unstable world?"

        Shuaibi raises questions about the role of oil and gas reserves located in Syria, which have not yet been developed. At this time, when a crisis and “revolution” were staged in the country, gas wells were discovered in Syria on the Homs-Damascus road, in the Qara region. Very large gas reserves have been found here. At this time, they are talking about an undeclared war and planning in “defeated” Syria, through its entire territory, to carry out oil and gas pipelines from Qatar to Europe. This indicates Syria's strategic place in this conflict and its position in the current world. As an addition to this, the war in Syria is a gas war pipeline.

        Qatar has cheap gas: closer to Europe than Russia; uncomplicated geographical conditions; temperate climate in relation to Russia. Therefore, gas from Qatar to Europe, at its cost, if routed through Syrian territory, will be many times cheaper than the same gas from Russia to Europe.

        .... Now all questions disappear..

        Let us add that all these classified studies on Syria, the Norwegian company gave all the research data to the English company "CGS" for further data processing... and as a result, the Norwegian company sold all the research results to the American concern "VERITAS"... after that, in 2010 the company "viritas" conducted additional research in the territorial waters of Syria, and apparently found even more..... further information about this has not been disclosed.

        The map shows the cities of Syria from bottom to top: Tartus, Jabli, Latakia. (the whole world now knows their names from reports of battles in Syria)
    2. MVS
      MVS
      +2
      28 August 2013 21: 07
      Quote: Backfire
      Hmm, well, what can I say to the author of the article - the “scoop” from the head can only be removed, it seems, with a crowbar.
      He gave such a pseudo-political layout that at least right now he is a regional committee instructor in ideology.

      Everything is simple, everything is very simple.
      Immense reserves of oil and gas have been found on the Syrian shelf - this time.
      Syria rejected Qatar's proposal to lay a gas pipeline to Europe - that's two.
      The reason is the Great Pu, who promised Assad a “roof.” Otherwise, gas prices in Europe would fall and the dreams of a Gas Empire would end.

      It was precisely counting on the support of Russia and China that Assad decided not to share - but to take everything himself, to hit the jackpot. I've finished the game. Now, after Lavrov’s words: “that we (Russia) are not going to fight with anyone,” it turns out that Putler simply set up and cheated Assad.

      The Putler regime squandered the “golden decade” when oil and gas dollars could be used to “restart” the country.
      By promising Assad “protection” and not giving the opportunity to either build alternative gas pipelines to Europe or arrange a normal tender for the extraction and development of the formations found on the shelf, it was the Kremlin Dwarf who provoked this war. Well, he provoked and provoked - politics is a dirty business, and big politics and big money are always blood. But he “dumped” the one to whom he promised the roof at the most critical moment. I'm not saying that the war should have started. There were a lot of options on how to play more subtly and smarter. But Lavrov’s statement is a complete capitulation and 100% cheating of Assad.

      I don't even want to argue. Reply to what you wrote:
      http://natribu.org/
      1. +1
        28 August 2013 23: 15
        Is it right to argue with clowns...
    3. 0
      28 August 2013 23: 08
      Well, why are you so quick, “scoop”, “crowbar”, “regional party committee” smile ... A lot of gas was also found on the shelf of Cyprus (there was a message about this in 2011), however, for some reason no one is in a hurry to invest even in its additional exploration, otherwise they decided to wait until the government in Syria changes. If they start producing offshore gas and oil in Syria, then please tell me, where will Qatar sell its gas, and where will Saudi Arabia sell its oil? Why invest in the development of expensive offshore fields, in the development of infrastructure, when Syria already has its own, fairly well-developed fields, which are far from being exhausted? Do Qatar, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia have them? Is there an economic benefit to this? To squander Gazprom means you still have to try, Gazprom’s prices are greatly inflated, they were taken, so to speak, with a reserve, you can’t squeeze it out quickly right away, and the fields need to be repaid not later, but now. And if they are mothballed and not developed at all, then why should American and British companies try to show interest in them if they are in conjunction with Qatar? In Syria, before this, there was quite a lot of gas and oil - and this did not bother anyone from the region, and a new field would not particularly surprise anyone, but then the shelf suddenly became such a sharp pretext for war? It is clear that to make judgments you need to know the economics of the project, but somehow it all doesn’t look very sound. But with a pipeline, it’s much more realistic
    4. Vlad 1965
      0
      29 August 2013 11: 02
      Backfire US, Amer, why are you so excited?
      Well, okay, you’re supposed to yell for your green card, America, America and blah blah, otherwise they’ll kick you out of the woodwork.
      You are brazenly distorting the name of the President of Russia, well, a barrack stuck in Obama’s ass won’t hurt.
      You say oil and gas, yeah, let’s say, but who said that these hydrocarbons should belong to them?
      They opened their mouths to swallow, but the trouble is, Russia and China stuck a spacer in their mouths, you’re choking, but you can’t do a damn thing?
      All that remains is to throw tomahawks, as is customary for the bandit descendants of flaw from all over the world7
      So again, the trouble is that something doesn’t work out very well, either Iran is in the way, then it’s difficult to clash with China, and Russia won’t be on the side, but it becomes clear to the motherfuckers that peace in the Ovish way is no longer realistic.
      Lavrov said this as is customary in DIPLOMACY, and you have to be a complete idiot to expect Lavrov to make a statement that Russia has declared war.
      In general, stars and stripes talker, don’t strain your weak brains, it’s none of your business.
  5. ramsi
    0
    28 August 2013 20: 35
    As far as I understand, Syria's only chance is Iran. If, when the Amers open hostilities in Syria, Iran hits the “joint” group with everything it has, and without any warning, then there is a chance that both of these states will survive... Iran has nothing to lose if Syria collapses - they will be next ; There is no one to count on - from us and China - only moral support
  6. ed65b
    -2
    28 August 2013 20: 43
    Russia and China left the UN Security Council meeting. the resolution will be adopted without them. such as is needed for intervention in Syria. Russia and China abandoned, or betrayed, Assad. That's it, Putin has crap himself. Obama punished Volodya and showed him his place - on..... I don’t want to believe it.
    1. from Kiev
      0
      28 August 2013 22: 00
      But aren’t Security Council resolutions adopted by voting with a full quorum?
      1. +1
        28 August 2013 22: 22
        A resolution can be vetoed during voting. Non-participation in the meeting does not mean a veto
    2. ramsi
      0
      28 August 2013 22: 28
      Well, what did you expect from "vovochka"?!. - just a fig in your pocket.
    3. 0
      28 August 2013 23: 20
      Don’t repeat any crap from the liberal media. Then you won’t look stupid... First, find out who is throwing out such information, and rummage through the topic first.
    4. Vlad 1965
      0
      29 August 2013 11: 09
      ed65b(3)SU
      What a stupid thing.
      The UN SECURITY COUNCIL and its permanent members, this is not Manka from the next bench, got up and ran off somewhere in search of a gentleman.
      There are NO PERMANENT members of the SECURITY COUNCIL, any resolution is unauthorized and illegal.
      So your masters, the arrogant Saxons, were washed away, the resolution of the arrogant ones flew away for revision.
      What kind of “love” is there for a cramped barracks, and rejection of the actions of your own country for you?
  7. +2
    28 August 2013 20: 56
    Quote: Zen
    Washington will be destroyed !!!
    God see everything!!!
  8. Dimonixm
    -1
    28 August 2013 21: 39
    Well, “congratulations” first news on Yandex August 28, Wednesday 21:34 - Russian and Chinese representatives left the meeting of the UN Security Council, at which the draft resolution proposed by the UK on Syria was discussed. It seems that a hypothetical aggression against Syria is becoming a planned reality.
    1. from Kiev
      +2
      28 August 2013 22: 03
      Quote: dimonicsm
      Russian and Chinese representatives left the UN Security Council meeting,

      In my opinion, it follows from this that the meeting cannot now legally adopt any resolution on behalf of the UN Security Council.
      1. 0
        28 August 2013 22: 23
        Quote: from Kiev
        that the meeting cannot now legally adopt any resolution on behalf of the UN Security Council.

        non-participation does not mean that the resolution will not be adopted
        1. +1
          28 August 2013 23: 03
          the five permanent members of the Security Council MUST vote; non-participation means a veto - this is one. Neither China nor Russia left the meeting - this is two. Today’s meeting did not involve voting - the Security Council votes by meeting in full and not as part of the five permanent members of the Security Council - this is three. Nothing else about what Russia will take measures, it is unknown why he sold GDP or did not sell Assad, it’s too early to say - these are four
          1. 0
            28 August 2013 23: 37
            It seems that the West is deeply concerned about the resolution. They will not accept the resolution, but these are already talking about striking Syria even without a resolution. But we’ll wait and see what will happen next
  9. +1
    28 August 2013 22: 00
    Everything in this world is relative. For example, the length of a minute depends on which side of the toilet door you are on. (aphorism)
  10. 0
    28 August 2013 22: 37
    We need serious cyber attacks on the Pentagon and other institutions, get to the top ranks in the US Navy and give them sooo much money so that they “leave the game”, we need to collapse this anthill from the inside, bribe everyone and everything, support American extremists and various anti-government groups with money organization, the chaos needs to be transferred to the homeland of the cowboys! It’s better to spend a lot of money now than to sit in the trenches later.
  11. Backfire
    -6
    28 August 2013 22: 42
    Quote: ramsi
    Well, what did you expect from "vovochka"?!. - just a fig in your pocket.


    Well, Vova is for the goyim when he’s at work.

    And for his own people he is like this:
    1. +3
      28 August 2013 23: 10
      Well, you're a guy sitting there across the ocean, so sit and smear your barracks - he's your president, dig into his pedigree, it'll somehow be closer to you. Why the hell are you croaking about our president? We have a lot of our own idiots with one brain, who are ready to bark at him for any reason, we don’t need overseas idiots
  12. 0
    28 August 2013 23: 15
    Quote: Dangerous
    The task of our diplomacy and our military was to prevent the escalation of the conflict and the outbreak of war. They failed her. And to get involved in a war because of an unknown person and it is unclear why it’s just stupid


    Are you so sure that there was a “task”, that it was exactly like that, and that it was failed?
    You didn’t stage it, why be so categorical? Moreover, write yourself about “it is unknown who and why”...
  13. Arabist
    +1
    28 August 2013 23: 18
    Quote: bilgesez
    What will be our actions. Putin will wipe the snot and will continue to hang noodles on our ears. 13 years apart from chatter, not a damn thing.

    And what actions should have followed in 13 years? What exactly does Putin owe you?
    1. +2
      28 August 2013 23: 31
      I'm amazed by the guys who, for any reason and without any reason, are ready to crap on Putin. At the same time, they probably feel terribly brave. You, Internet brave men, try to bark at your tyrant boss at work, the one on whom your salary depends, show your heroism in life. And throw mud at the president, hiding behind a nickname on the Internet - it’s not a lot of courage, they don’t punish for it now
  14. Backfire
    -2
    28 August 2013 23: 38
    Quote: Santor
    You’re just starting to pester your......well, let’s quickly outline point by point what you would do if you were the President of Russia....


    To begin with, what definitely shouldn’t have been done: kill the inherited education and healthcare systems.

    You can easily and quickly do what Saakashvili managed to do in Georgia: fight corruption and bribery. Establish a level playing field, at least at the middle and lower levels. All this is done in an elementary way and depends solely on the will and understanding of just a few people at the top of the social network. pyramids.

    And your MedvedPuts have complete schizophrenia - splitting of the brain and personality. On the one hand, they want Protons, Su and SuperJets to fly, and on the other, they are killing education.

    Further, I would understand that I am not a god or a king. And I would begin to build a civil society.
    We can start with who is considered a citizen. This right should in no case be given simply by birth - these are simply subjects.

    And so, your authorities shout that there are enemies all around, but do not allow alternative political forces to develop.
    I don’t mean Navalny, he seems to be a protege of the former “family”, i.e. no better than Putin.

    For example, at the last presidential elections, even the sick Yavlinsky, who had no chance, nor Ivashov were allowed to participate in the elections. Ilyukhin was killed. Everyone who could reform the state is being purged. They don’t even give you the opportunity to voice a different point of view.

    All this will end very sadly. Any living organism, be it a person or entire states, without an influx of fresh blood will inevitably rot and die.

    They understand this, but they do not connect their future with “this country”.
    In 10-15 years, the children of your “elite” will be at the headquarters and command posts giving the order to launch AMERICAN cruise missiles against... possibly Russia.
    1. 0
      29 August 2013 00: 27
      Sausage maker teach how to live?
    2. +1
      29 August 2013 00: 29
      As far as I understand, you are already there? Of course, it’s easy to give advice, especially from overseas. But education, medicine, the army and industry were killed before him, he received a country in ruins and, moreover, unarmed. Yes, of course, if Joseph Vissarionovich had been in his place, he might have already built a great state, but you can imagine at what cost. Perhaps he would not have been able to do much for the simple reason that in his time the people had a great idea, saw a great goal in front of them, believed in it and were ready to endure any hardships in order to achieve it. But now the situation is completely different -there is no idea, no goal - there is only a desire to make more money and it is advisable not to bother too much. And there are still a lot of people in power and money stolen in the 90s who quietly slow down any normal undertaking. In these conditions, he does everything he can - not as sharply as we would like, but very consistently He’s like a boa constrictor - he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t yell, he just quietly crushes He promised to kill the militants in the toilet - some people still laugh at this - but think about it - which of the leaders is still alive now? Only Umarov is still hiding somewhere, but everyone else has long since met Allah. Where is Berezovsky? Putin is a man - if he promises, he usually always does it. Many people here are yelling that he surrendered Syria. Let's see how it ends, it hasn't even begun yet, and then we will draw conclusions
  15. Backfire
    -3
    29 August 2013 00: 07
    Quote: Santor
    They left, and the Russian representative said in response to Britain’s words that Russia was not going to listen to deliberate lies and nonsense. Without China and Russia, the Security Council is not even competent to vote. Let them sit there - Russia and China showed the whole world that they did everything they could.


    Come on, it’s nerve-wracking! Sure?

    Well then, here you go: “All five permanent members have used their veto power at one time or another. If one of the permanent members does not fully agree with the proposed resolution, however, does not wish to resort to its veto power, he may abstain from voting and thus allow the resolution to be adopted, if the required nine votes are cast for it."

    Those. they should have stayed and VETOED!

    Source: http://www.un.org/ru/sc/meetings/veto/
    1. +1
      29 August 2013 01: 08
      to leave and to abstain are somewhat different things. But in fact, no voting was planned there - it was a meeting of five permanent members of the Security Council with the right to veto. Voting in the Security Council is carried out when it meets in full - as far as I remember, there are still 12 or 14 provisional states members of the Security Council, they are elected for a certain period of time. When they all get together, they vote to adopt a resolution. If you don’t know something, why so stubbornly flaunt your ignorance?
  16. 0
    29 August 2013 00: 41
    Thank you for the article!
    I wrote everything correctly!
  17. vanderhaas
    +1
    29 August 2013 02: 59
    I think VVP will make a move as a strong figure in a completely unexpected place, asymmetrically. There are many options, it all depends on the goals that need to be achieved right now. As long as everyone’s eyes are directed towards the east, it is very possible to begin the liberation of Donbass and the entire left bank of Ukraine. International law is a damn thing of the past, arbitrariness in everything, so it’s time.
  18. +1
    29 August 2013 05: 16
    Either the world is going crazy, or Russia doesn’t know something that the whole world knows.
  19. Zheka Sibiryak
    0
    29 August 2013 09: 33


    Russians are already in Syria
  20. 0
    29 August 2013 23: 19
    I found some interesting information. According to data from the site http://video.qip.ru/video/view/?id=v2549132170c&utm_source=redtram&utm_medium=cp
    c&utm_campaign=change The Syrian Electronic Army's computers are located in Russia.
  21. Dyukha Siberian
    0
    29 August 2013 23: 50
    what can I say?! May God grant Syria perseverance, courage and strength! Syria's allies to be heard by world politicians and successfully supported in case of aggression! to the states and other jackals with them - a sea of ​​coffins if they don’t know how to live without war! After all, the first ones will then scream from terrorism asking Russia for help!!!
  22. vanderhaas
    0
    30 August 2013 01: 37
    Quote: Backfire
    Quote: Santor
    They left, and the Russian representative said in response to Britain’s words that Russia was not going to listen to deliberate lies and nonsense. Without China and Russia, the Security Council is not even competent to vote. Let them sit there - Russia and China showed the whole world that they did everything they could.


    Come on, it’s nerve-wracking! Sure?

    Well then, here you go: “All five permanent members have used their veto power at one time or another. If one of the permanent members does not fully agree with the proposed resolution, however, does not wish to resort to its veto power, he may abstain from voting and thus allow the resolution to be adopted, if the required nine votes are cast for it."

    Those. they should have stayed and VETOED!

    Source: http://www.un.org/ru/sc/meetings/veto/

    Regarding the picture: You forgot to start this series of poor fellows with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi, whom the FSB dragged into power in 1953 (and shamelessly leaked in 1979), which they recently repented of.
    You, my dear, would either take off your cross or put on your panties.
  23. Dyukha Siberian
    0
    30 August 2013 06: 29
    but this is already pleasing !!! http://www.rg.ru/2013/08/30/nato-anons.html
    At least 12 states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) have already refused to participate in a military operation against Syria, unless the UN Security Council authorizes it. This was reported by ITAR-TASS with reference to an informed source in Brussels.

    "There are actually many more countries that have definitely refused any form of participation in hostilities in Syria without the sanction of the UN Security Council, we are talking about at least a dozen states," the source said.

    He added that the consequences of the operation in the SAR are "absolutely unpredictable", and the victory of the rebels in its current composition "is unlikely to return long-term peace to Syrian soil."

    Earlier, the British parliament rejected a resolution on the need to "toughly respond to the humanitarian crisis" in Syria, which "could require the start of a military operation." "Against" the initiative of Prime Minister David Cameron was 285 deputies, "for" - 272.
    but good thoughts they still attend)))
  24. 0
    1 September 2013 00: 34
    I agree with what was written! But we urgently and everywhere need to prepare for a “probably imposed shitcracy”! This means increasing the defense budget, revising the state’s financial policy and, possibly, strengthening the influence of the public sector in the economy. And, ideally, a dictatorship, with strict establishment of order!
    God save Russia from fools and traitors, and we will deal with the rest of the warriors ourselves.