In the western regions of Ukraine 9 May declared a day of mourning

3 May 2013 380

Western regions of Ukraine seriously intend to declare the day of 9 in May as a day of mourning. Moreover, the relevant bills have already been adopted by Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk city councils. According to these documents, on Victory Day festive processions are prohibited, as well as the use of symbols of Soviet times, including the red flag and veterans' military orders. Such a decision of local authorities (which, by the way, are mostly represented by “Svoboda”), causes confusion and bewilderment, because, according to Ukrainian legislation, the holiday 9 is recognized as an official public holiday in May. Obviously, Ukrainian laws mean nothing to neo-fascists.

In accordance with the words of one of the initiators of the decision, the city council deputy from the Freedom party, Lyubomir Melnychuk, all the statements of the Ukrainian government about the celebration of 9 on May and the use of one of the main symbols of communist terror - the red flag - is another provocation, which In some cases, it should not be allowed in Lviv. Also, the same deputy called on Ukrainians to spend the day in prayer for those who died in the war.

At the same time, the logic of decisions made by regional authorities is rather difficult to understand. Indeed, according to the same Melnichuk, Lviv, as a European city, must adhere to the European practice of honoring those who died in World War II. But at the same time, it is he who proposes to declare not only 9, but also 8 on May, that is, the day when all of Europe celebrates victory over Nazi Germany ...

In fact, to understand the true reason for the decisions made is very simple: Ukrainian neo-fascists by any means necessary to replace the bright holiday of Victory with its full opposite - the day of sorrow. Thus, according to the "independent", they will be able to erase from the memory of the people historical the truth, which was common to Ukraine and Russia, replacing it with its version. At the same time, the main blow is aimed not only at the common Soviet past, but also at its carriers - veterans who still remained in the western regions. It turns out that all the most valuable and important that has been preserved since Soviet times, with the abolition of Victory Day, is subject to destruction and eradication. And the veterans, thanks to whom this victory was won, and which are becoming less and less every year, no longer have the right to come together to remember past times and celebrate a bright holiday ...

But that's not all. The decision to eradicate the Soviet legacy of "Svobodovtsy" not limited. In addition to the decision to recognize 8-9 in May as days of mourning, the bill of the Lviv City Council also says that these days are recognized as days of grief for the victims of all totalitarian regimes, including Hitler’s. It turns out that the representatives of the Svoboda party, who currently occupy leadership positions, are inherently anti-fascists, and Shukhevych together with Bandera are not really Hitler's henchmen, but the real heroes of Ukraine. So it turns out that the decision taken by the Lvov and Ivano-Frankivsk authorities is not only to erase the entire Soviet legacy from people's memory, but also to cleanse their heroes from the Nazi mud.

It is clear that such illegal decisions could not go unnoticed by the government. So, in particular, Prime Minister N. Azarov during a briefing held on April 30, stated that the decision taken in the western regions is illegal, because it contradicts the Basic Law of the country. The Prime Minister stated that the decision was beyond the competence of local authorities, and there was no point in talking about any European integration, since the local authorities themselves violated the Constitution. According to Azarov, the recognition of the 9 of May as a day of mourning is immoral, but for sorrow there is another day - this is the 22 of June, the day the war started. At the end of his speech, the Prime Minister said that everyone who is trying to change history should remember what happened in this case (referring to Nazism), and also assured that the government will do everything possible so that neo-Nazism in Ukraine has no chance to development.

Representatives of the Party of Regions and the Communist Party did not stand aside either. Regionals are confident that the decision taken in Galicia is primarily a betrayal of their own people, because 9 of May was always considered a Victory Day and to prohibit it is to betray the memory of their ancestors, who at the cost of their own lives defended the future generations . At the same time, the regionals are confident that the scandalous solution is a rough provocation, which aims at destabilizing the situation in society and provoking the popular opposition. A vivid proof of this is the statement of the Lviv communists about their intention to celebrate the Victory Day with flags and processions. Thus, it is quite possible that the history of a year ago can be repeated, when in Lviv the neo-fascists actually persecuted the veterans ...

According to representatives of the ruling party, all attempts by neo-Nazis to defile the memory of the people's feat or the Victory symbols will be harshly suppressed and suppressed. But if you think well, behind these words is not quite what I would like. So, Lviv police received an order to protect military monuments in the region from vandals from 7 on May, but at the same time there is no mention of the need to ensure protection to veterans during demonstrations. Moreover, around 150 law enforcement officers are allocated to everything, and this is to the thousands of neo-Nazis who live and are active in Lviv ...

If you go a little further, it becomes quite obvious that such a decisive “anti-Freedom” position of the regionals is not really so anti-fascist. More recently, one event occurred which is proof of this: the Poles accused the Ukrainian Freedom Party of neo-Nazism, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which is under the control of the government and, accordingly, of the Party of Regions, came to their defense. Recall that in early April, the Polish government adopted a resolution recognizing the OUN-UPA, SS “Galichina”, as well as the Ukrainian police, which served the fascists as criminal organizations that committed genocide against the Poles in 1939-1947. In response, the Ukrainian government perceived such a decision as an unfriendly gesture towards Ukraine, as interference in its internal affairs, and moreover, it perceived this project as an attempt to complicity with Russia ...

In addition to the authorities, some political scientists also expressed their attitude to the decision taken in the West of Ukraine. Thus, according to G. Trofimchuk, the first vice-president of the Center for Modeling Strategic Development, such a decision is quite normal and natural, because it happened to almost everyone who had escaped from the so-called Soviet occupation zone. In the end, all this euphoria faded away, because there is no way to go back to the past. Therefore, do not interfere with Lviv "enthusiasts": if they are sure that the holidays need to be renamed or even establish a new holiday - let them do, it will be more interesting to watch them from the side.

Political analyst D.Orlov, who is the general director of the analytical center “Strategy East-West”, says that in the light of the current situation, the Ukrainian head of state is quite unfairly called a dictator. After all, dictators in the event of even the slightest focus of separatism and disobedience immediately surround him and pacify him with weapons. And Yanukovych is still a Democrat, what kind of search is necessary. According to Orlov, Victory Day is a holiday fixed at the state level, and if the head of state ordered to celebrate it, then the task of the local authorities is to execute this order in full, and not make any incomprehensible decisions.

Political analyst L.Savin, the editor-in-chief of Geopolitics, is convinced that the decision of the Lviv authorities is a consequence of the coming to power of ultra-right neo-Nazis, who were supported by the finances of the same Yanukovych. Therefore, such decisions may appear in other areas of the western region, especially in those of them where there is a fairly large percentage of active Bandera nationalists. As a result, a further split of Ukrainian society and new conflicts may occur. Therefore, all free thinking of local authorities must be stopped.

Anyway, the decision has already been made, and one can only hope for the sanity of the government, which will take more stringent measures against the regional authorities. However, there is still a small chance that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis still have at least a little philanthropy and respect for their ancestors, and the decision will not have any serious consequences, although it is unlikely ...

Materials used:
http://www.km.ru/world/2013/04/26/istoriya-velikoi-otechestvennoi-voiny/709787-9-maya-vo-lvove
http://rossiya-ukraina.livejournal.com/1417632.html
http://for-ua.com/ukraine/2013/04/25/135252.html

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a boat

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3 May 2013 15: 53

Quote: xan
Quote: gych
We will tear our throats out for ours, but we will not give it up!

it's not yours, you're an occupier there
the earth will burn under you.
Found someone to scare, Icelander

Read more carefully, I’m from Ukraine! And what lands did Ukraine occupy? As for the occupation of the territory, who would say!
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 19: 00
  
  We scammed you like people in Ukrin and you Banderites stole everything from us, Bandera people don’t bother us with our homeland or our nationality, you are the zealots of the Ukrainian people!!!
Pagan13

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3 May 2013 15: 54

Quote: Hudo
Personally, I believe that if there were no lands included in Ukraine under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, there would be no talk of any secession from the USSR (1991).

Why? Ukraine laid claim to Western Ukraine, Siverschyna, and the small territory of Levobirezhia, where the Sich once was. Because these are the historical lands of Ukraine. And Russia gave us the rest as a dowry, although in my opinion it’s somehow not to its taste those times.
1. Hudo
  
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  3 May 2013 16: 16
  
  Quote: Pagan13
  
  Why? Ukraine laid claim to Western Ukraine, Siverschyna, and the small territory of Levobirezhia, where the Sich once was. Because these are the historical lands of Ukraine. And Russia didn’t give the rest as a dowry, although in my opinion it’s somehow not to its taste those times.
  
  Do you find it difficult to express your “brilliant” thoughts coherently?
  Would you be so kind as to answer a number of questions:
  1) When was the term “Ukraine” first mentioned and by whom? In what contest was this used?
  2) Please be more detailed about the “historical lands”, I’m very interested in historical anecdotes.
  3)"...Russia didn't give it as a dowry..." US??? For whom is this?!!!! Considering that the nationality “Ukrainian” itself was actually implemented during the 1926 census, until now no one had ever heard of such a people.
2. Baboon
  
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  3 May 2013 17: 43
  
  A big gift, that’s the point, Ukrainians as a nation were formed recently, and have always considered you one of their own. Are you talking about dowry? Where's the groom? Half of the territories of Ukraine are originally Russian territories, and they were given not as a dowry, but as their own. And you are still looking for a catch.
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a boat

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3 May 2013 16: 03

Quote: zennon
There is nothing of yours there. And you can at least erase your teeth to the roots. There were many who wanted to get to the Russian throat - they were all left without teeth!
so maybe yours is there? then come and try to take it!
1. zennon
  
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  3 May 2013 16: 53
  
  Everything has its time. I won’t ask you.
roial

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3 May 2013 16: 08

I read all the nonsense that representatives of the Russian Federation write.
I was simply blown away by their arguments about the division of Ukraine.
I would like to remind YOU that since 91 there has not been a single military conflict in Ukraine (unlike your country), well, if you don’t defend conflicts in the Rada.
Your federation will fall apart faster, although even now you have regions in which there is openly a separatist government that does not care about anything and everything.
And in Moscow, districts will be created from the nationalities of the Caucasus, something like what is shown in the film "District 13"
How Ukraine will fall apart.
Everything that is shown on TV and written on the Internet is not true. And all this fuss was created for the sole purpose of snatching something somewhere, redistributing it, sleeping....it.
1. tixon444
  
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  3 May 2013 16: 41
  
  Quote: roial
  snatch something somewhere, redistribute, sleep....t.
  
  Here, excuse me, dear, we can never compare with you, and thank God, although... No matter how many Little Russians (that’s your name before the revolution) I met, everyone was just trying to whistle something. And one named Vasya Kalyuzhny, God grant him what he deserves, honestly admitted to me one day that the name UKRAINE comes from the word STEAL
  1. Corsair
    
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    3 May 2013 17: 53
    
    Quote: tixon444
    the name UKRAINE comes from the word STEAL
    
    And a godfather with two terms of imprisonment was elected president...
    1. RU_PATRIOT
      
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      3 May 2013 18: 10
      
      Elected by half the country. Moreover, in that part of it where there is an epidemic of AIDS, tuberculosis, drug addiction, crime and where the Russian language predominates. President of the speedy region - Donbass! Because it’s yours!
  2. RU_PATRIOT
    
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    3 May 2013 18: 06
    
    All Ukrainians MUST learn Russian in order to read such “bullshit” from Russians and know who their real enemy is.
    1. Hudo
      
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      3 May 2013 18: 28
      
      Quote: RU_PATRIOT
      All Ukrainians MUST learn Russian,
      
      It's true!!! To remember that they themselves are RUSSIANS!
      
      Quote: RU_PATRIOT
      know who their real enemy is.
      
      The enemy is you, and zombies like you.
      1. RU_PATRIOT
        
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        3 May 2013 18: 39
        
        Starting a conversation about the Russian (Russian) language, it should first be remembered that Russia is a non-Slavic country. Only Smolensk, Kursk, Bryansk - the territories of the ancient Krivichy (the Slavs of the Baltic Slavs westernized) can be attributed to the territories inhabited by ancient near-Slavic peoples. The rest of the land is Finnish, where no Slavs have ever lived: Chud, Murom, Mordvinians, Perm, Vyatichi and others. The main toponyms of historical Muscovy are all Finnish: Moscow, Murom, Ryazan (Erzya), Vologda, Kostroma, Suzdal, Tula, etc. Over the centuries, these territories have been conquered by the Rurik colonists encouraged by sailing from Laba (Elba), however, the number of colonists (who built Novgorod near Ladoga - as a continuation of the then Polaba Old Town - now Oldenburg) was extremely small in these parts. In the rare fortified towns founded by the Rusyns and Normans encouraged (Danes and Swedes), there lived a handful of colonial rulers with a squad - the network of these fortified colonies was called Rus. And 90-95% of the population of the region were non-Slavic natives, subordinate to these more civilized invaders.
        
        http://nnm.ru/blogs/5k0peek/nerusskiy_russkiy_yazyk/
        
        Hudo
        
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        3 May 2013 18: 57
        
        Quote: RU_PATRIOT
        Starting a conversation about the Russian (Russian) language...
        
        You have to understand that your thoughts ended on the last page of the troll manual...
        
        This freak, your Hwurer Izya Tyagnysrak, wrote a training manual in the frenzy of Svidomito-Nazism?
        
        Setrac
        
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        3 May 2013 21: 08
        
        Dear RU_PATRIOT, are you suggesting that we study our own history using State Department propaganda? Everything you wrote is complete crap! There are no traces of all these non-Slavic peoples in the ancient sites, only Slavs - Indo-Europeans. Moreover, in those days when Neanderthals still lived in Europe.
        I wrote to you about Perm above, I will say this, the “non-Slavic” peoples you mentioned received (for the most part) their names under the Romanovs, when they rewrote history.
2. Baboon
  
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  3 May 2013 19: 56
  
  I repeat once again where the territory of Ukraine was located. for example, in 1910?
  1. RU_PATRIOT
    
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    3 May 2013 22: 50
    
    As part of the Russian Empire, and Stolypin considered Ukrainians to be foreigners.
    
    An excellent article from the beginning of the last century by Vladimir Vernadsky, where everything is sorted out.
    
    Ukrainian Question and Russian Society
    http://uainfo.org/news/13885-petr-stolypin-schital-ukraincev-inorodcami.html
    
    But where was the territory of Ukraine in 1919?
    1. Kolovrat
      
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      3 May 2013 23: 22
      
      This is a map that was drawn in the UPR and brought to the Paris Conference
      She has nothing to do with the realities, even at the Paris conference UPR NOT RECOGNIZED
    2. Baboon
      
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      3 May 2013 23: 26
      
      The map looks beautiful, I don't argue, but it's not true. I respect Ukraine, but it wasn’t like that.
tixon444

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3 May 2013 16: 18

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

By order of the Tsar, the descendants of the “Moksels” who became Slavs have been bearing the name that unites them all for three centuries. Not a noun (who?), but an adjective. Whose are you? – Russians. What are you like? – Russians. Because for three centuries they belonged to Kievan Rus.

No offense will be said, why then are you, Galicians, not called Rus, since you are from Kievan Rus? And why did you sell our Orthodox faith, into which your and our prince Vladimir baptized your ancestors? Yes, we are Russians! We are different, and Vyatichi and Krivichi, and Merya, and white-eyed Chud - we are all Russian! But unlike them, you didn’t go to your beloved Catholic-Protestant West with a war every hundred years, but only when you, the adversaries, had to be escorted back with a special escort.
1. RU_PATRIOT
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 29
  
  In Muscovy itself, the terms “Russia” and “Russia” began to be used to designate the country for the first time and in a very limited way only in the XNUMXth century, since the idea of the “Third Rome” appeared in Moscow, and the Muscovite kings began to lay claim to the lands of Ukraine.
  Muscovy was renamed according to the royal command of 1713 and 1721. The ethnonym “Russian” was fixed even later - only at the end of the XNUMXth century, when Tsarina Catherine II, by “highest command,” finally ordered the Moscow people to be called “Russians” and forbade them to use the name “Muscovites.”
  It is interesting that the Muscovite region took the Greek transcription of the word “Rus” for its new name, although there are hardly any other people who would take the name of their country from a foreign language.
  By the way, Ukraine, like Muscovy, also changed its name, but only once, and took this name from its own language.
2. RU_PATRIOT
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 31
  
  Ukrainians have never acknowledged the theft of the name "Rus". Already in the middle of the 18th century, the “History of the Rus” appeared in Ukraine, which affirmed the unambiguously Ukrainian character of Rus'.
  Taras Shevchenko never uses the word “Rus” or even “Russia” in his works and always writes about “Moscow region”.
  In the modern Ukrainian literary language, the ethnonym “Russians” has been established, while the adjective “Russian” is reserved for everything ancient Ukrainian.
  Finally, it should be said that in Rus' the name of the people was the ethnonyms “Rusin” (in the famous “Russian Truth”, princely charters, chronicles) and, occasionally, “Rus”. In the chronicles, a Rus or Rusin is always a resident of the Kiev region.
  The ethnonym "Rusichi" is found only in "The Tale of Igor's Campaign", and, according to modern historians, it was not used in everyday life, but was a sign of a high linguistic style.
  It was this ethnonym “Rusyn” that was preserved in large numbers in Western Ukraine until the twentieth century, and in some places in Transcarpathia - even to this day.
  Based on all of the above, the history of Russia has the same relation to the history of Rus' as, for example, the history of Angola and Mozambique to the history of Portugal.
  Or the history of India - to the history of Great Britain. If, for example, today Russia wanted to rename itself to China, this would not at all mean that, together with such simple manipulation, it would inherit several thousand years of Chinese history and culture.
  Today there is reason to expect that soon, if Ukraine is successful, the ideological dispute over the historical legacy of Kievan Rus, which was waged by Kyiv and Moscow over the last half of the millennium, will end with the victory of Ukraine.
  The reason for this is the obviousness of the arguments about Ukraine's inheritance from Rus'. These arguments in our information age can neither be destroyed nor hidden.
  1. JIaIIoTb
    
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    3 May 2013 23: 31
    
    18th century and the Ukrainian character of Rus'? Yes, you are a liar. Or then clarify which Ukraine we are talking about; at that time there were several of them and not one was connected with the people of Ukraine, since this did not exist in its infancy at that time.
    1. RU_PATRIOT
      
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      4 May 2013 00: 27
      
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      18th century and the Ukrainian character of Rus'?
      
      1627 year. By decree of the Tsar of Moscow, Mikhail Fedorovich and Patriarch Filaret (his father), the Ukrainian press was ordered to collect books and burn them on fires.
      1672 year. The decree prohibiting people of all ranks in all cities from owning books of the Ukrainian press at home.
      1677 year. Patriarch of Moscow Joakim ordered from Ukrainian books to destroy sheets that have a difference from Moscow books.
      1689 year. The Synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print And the volume of "Cheti-Mena" by Dmitry Rostovsky.
      1690 year. Patriarch Joachim of Moscow banned all Ukrainian writing by decree. The books "Chetya-Menaion" by Daniel the Zatochnik were ordered to be burned.
      1693 year. A letter from the Moscow Patriarch to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra prohibiting any books in the Ukrainian language.
      1709 year. The decree of Peter I on the prohibition of printing books in the Ukrainian language, and books printed in Church Slavonic, check with the Russian edition so that there is no difference.
      1720 year. The decree of Peter I, that there should be no books except church editions in Ukraine, and that old books with books of the Great Russian press should be equalized so that they don’t have any difference and special dialect.
      December 20, 1720. Peter I issued a decree to the Kievan provincial prince Golitsyn to "examine and take away ancient letters of gratitude and other original courtesy letters, as well as historical, handwritten and printed books in all monasteries remaining in the Russian state."
      1721 year. The Synod ordered to send books from Ukrainian printing houses to the "Synod office" for correcting them in accordance with Russian requirements and pronunciation and collation with the censor's stigma.
      1724 year. The printing house of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra was fined one thousand rubles for printing books that are not in every way similar to those in Great Russia. The Chernigov printing house, which was transported to Moscow, was also fined for the same amount and for the same "fault".
      1729 year. The order of Peter I on the rewriting in Ukraine of government decrees and orders from the Ukrainian language into Russian.
      1740 year. The Russian Empress Anna Ivanovna created the board of the hetman government under the leadership of Moscow Prince Alexei Shakhovsky and introduced the Russian language in office work on the territory of Ukraine.
      1748 year. The Synod’s order to Metropolitan Samuel Miloslavsky of Kiev to introduce the Russian language of instruction at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy and in all schools of Ukraine, as a result of which 866 Ukrainian schools disappeared on the Left Bank.
      The year is 1750. After the cancellation of the Office of the Ministerial Board of Little Russian Affairs in the city of Glukhov, secret office affairs were removed from it and transported to Russia. The documents of the Zaporozka Sich archive, found during the "devastation of the Sich by Lieutenant General Tekeliy in a chest under the throne of the Sich Church", ended up in the Moscow branch of the General Archive of the General Staff.
      1755 year. The Synod ordered the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to translate into Russian the "Chetya-Menaion" of St. Dmitry of Rostov and the Kiev-Pechersk Patericon.
      1763 year. Decree of Catherine II on the prohibition of teaching in the Ukrainian language at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
      1764 year. The cancellation of Catherine II Ukrainian hetmanism, and with it the liquidation of Ukrainian educational and cultural institutions and the removal of Ukrainian-speaking officials from power.
      1765 year. Elimination of Catherine II Cossack structure in Slobozhanshchina and Cossack schools.
      1766 year. The synod ordered the Kiev Pechersk Lavra to publish only those books that are printed and approved by the Synod in the Moscow printing house.
      1769 year. The synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print primers in the Ukrainian language and ordered them to take away primers that were already in their hands.
      1. RU_PATRIOT
        
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        4 May 2013 00: 27
        
        1782 year. Catherine II created a commission for the introduction of public schools in Russia, whose task was to introduce the only form of study and teaching the Russian language in all schools of the empire.
        1784 year. The synod orders the Metropolitan of Kiev and Galicia Samuel to punish students and release
        from the work of teachers of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy for moving away from the Russian language.
        1785 year. The order of Catherine II across all the churches of the empire to send God's service in Russian. Russian language is introduced in all schools of Ukraine.
        1786 year. The synod again orders the Metropolitan of Kiev to control the Lavra printing house so that there is no difference with the Moscow editions, and that the Kiev-Mohyla Academy immediately introduce a system of study that is legalized for the whole empire.
        The year is 1789. In St. Petersburg, on the initiative of Catherine II, a Comparative Dictionary of All Languages was issued, in which the Ukrainian language is defined as Russian, disfigured by Polish.
  2. Baboon
    
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    3 May 2013 23: 38
    
    Yes Please, I’ll give you the capital to Kyiv at least now. In 3 years you will no longer recognize Kyiv, they will be expelled from UNESCO, and 1/3 of the population of Kyiv will not be Ukrainians, nor Russians, nor Belarusians. I am a resident of Moscow, at least now take all this Mr. from Moscow. It will be easier for me to live.
    1. RU_PATRIOT
      
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      4 May 2013 00: 21
      
      We don't need your capital, live on your own, and let us live on our own. And there is no need for all sorts of fairy tales about brotherhood, etc. because this has never happened. I wish the Russians to build their own national state where the Russians will feel good and comfortable and there has never been a trace of such facts that are happening in Moscow with the Caucasian lawlessness, the slaughter of sheep and thousands of Muslim prayers. But without Ukraine, Ukrainians are not Russians who suddenly decided to be called differently, they are another people who have their own state and are building it. I wish Russians to have their own national state and respect their neighbors, in return they will receive the same respect.
3. RU_PATRIOT
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 31
  
  In medieval documents of Kievan Rus, the ethnonym “Rus” was used as an ethnonym for the Eastern Slavs - the ancestors of Ukrainians and Belarusians, which, in turn, has, according to one hypothesis, Varangian origin; for a single representative of an ethnic group - “Rusyn”.
  The ethnonym "Rusyns" is found later, in the XIII — XVIII centuries. [51] in Lithuanian and Polish documents naming residents of Old Russian principalities. Also, the ethnonym Rusyns was present in ancient Russian documents. The earliest example of the use of the ethnonym in the plural was noted in 1501 in the charter of the Belz Voivodeship (Volyn) [52]. The frequently encountered name of the inhabitants of Russia, which had signs of an ethnonym, in its medieval sources is “Russian people”, “Russian people”. In the Middle Ages, especially actively in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries, on the territory of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the Zaporizhzhya Army, the ethnonym “Ruski” was applied to the language, religion, and nationality of people living in these territories.
  The most recent use of the ethnonym “Rusyns” in the sources of the Hetmanate is found in 1728 in the drama “Grace of God”, staged in Kiev on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Khmelnytsky region and in honor of Danil the Apostle's assumption of hetman. Back in the 50s of the XIX century, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used here by the Kobzars. The thought written down from the kobzar Andrei Shut from the Chernihiv region says: “Well then, there’s a hetman Khmelnitsky, a Rusyn in us.” Thus, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used in eastern Ukraine among commoners, where book and official innovations were not immediately accepted, much longer than mentioned (1728).
  On the lands of Right Bank Ukraine annexed to the Russian Empire, the ethnonym “Rusyns” gradually disappeared. Thus, back in the 60s of the 1897th century, it was widely used in Podolia, annexed to Russia at the end of the XNUMXth century. In particular, in Vinnytsia, it is recorded in the collection of proverbs by Matvey Nomis and in folk tales collected there. Podolian Stepan Rudansky also uses it. Recorded in the Little Russian provinces and the Kingdom of Poland of the Russian Empire during the first All-Russian census in XNUMX.
  
  Contemporaries clearly distinguished between Muscovites and Rusyns. For example, after the battle of Orsha on September 8, 1514, in which Prince Konstantin Ostrozhsky, who commanded the troops of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, completely defeated Moscow army, received the nickname "Russian Scipio"
Nicephorus

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3 May 2013 16: 24

Guys...hello everyone...don't we give a damn about them...we don't have our own problems...
Alyoha

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3 May 2013 16: 34

Svidomo and Banderovtsev should certainly be given into anal slavery to the Poles. Ukrainian Natsiks use group pounding in the ass to raise the “fighting” spirit and unite the Svidomo-Bandera brotherhood. And how, after “raising” the darling, they move away a little, go to bully and do dirty tricks on Soviet veterans who are already 85-90 years old, since Svidomo-Bandera’s anal unity is not enough for anything else.
tixon444

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3 May 2013 16: 50

Quote: wk
Quote: gych
and what lands Ukraine occupied

Ukraine has occupied the Russian Crimea since 1954.

No, they slammed it from us, and also from Eastern Ukraine.
a boat

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3 May 2013 16: 53

Quote: wk
Quote: gych
and what lands Ukraine occupied

Ukraine has occupied the Russian Crimea since 1954.
and hoo-hoo not ho-ho Crimea is Russian, Chechnya, Ossetia are also Russian? Fuck you, not Crimea!
a boat

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3 May 2013 16: 53

Quote: wk
Quote: gych
and what lands Ukraine occupied

Ukraine has occupied the Russian Crimea since 1954.
and hoo-hoo not ho-ho Crimea is Russian, Chechnya, Ossetia are also Russian? Fuck you, not Crimea!
Boris55

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3 May 2013 17: 05

There is a good article on this site. Surely many have read: "Galicia. Genocide of the Russian people"
http://topwar.ru/2785-galiciya-genocid-russkogo-naroda.html
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 19: 03
  
  Bandera’s people exterminated not only the Russians, but millions of the Ukrainian people, I am Ukrainian and I am responsible for my words, since I know what these creatures have done and are doing now...
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ia-ai00

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3 May 2013 17: 17

RU_PATRIOT UA Today, 17:04 ↑
Well, well, if they would have dumped from Ukraine all the champions of the Russian world to admire the beauties of Kazakhstan, Russia and other EVRAZES. Build your own Asian paradise, study and replicate your historical fables and horror stories and do not interfere with the development of normal people.

... and about “NORMALITY”... well, I made you laugh... just watch at least one meeting of yours Glad, immediately becomes - You - "NORMAL" people!... In Russia and Kazakhstan, even on the street you may not see THIS in your entire life.
1. Mefodiy
  
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  3 May 2013 17: 22
  
  [quote = ia-ai00] [quote]
  ... and about “NORMALITY”... well, I made you laugh... just watch at least one meeting of yours Glad, immediately becomes - You - "NORMAL" people!... In Russia and Kazakhstan, even on the street you may not see THIS in your entire life.[/quote]
  Well, yes, of course...Full approval is always and everywhere...
Patush

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3 May 2013 17: 49

“And when the hour of measure in the atrocities of that man comes, lift me, God, from that hole on horseback to the highest mountain, and let him come to me, and I will throw him from that mountain into the deepest hole, and all the dead, his grandfathers and great-grandfathers, wherever they lived during their lives, so that everyone would reach out from different sides of the earth to gnaw at him for the torment that he inflicted on them, and they would gnaw at him forever, and I would have fun, looking at his torment! could rise from the ground so that he would be eager to gnaw at himself, but he would gnaw at himself, and his bones would grow, the further, more, so that through this his pain would become even stronger. That torment for him would be the most terrible: for for a person there is no greater torment, how to want to take revenge and not be able to take revenge." And when the hour comes for measure in the atrocities of that person, lift me, God, from that failure on horseback to the highest mountain, and let him come to me, and I will throw him from that mountain into the deepest hole, and all the dead, his grandfathers and great-grandfathers, wherever they lived during life, so that everyone would reach out from different sides of the earth to gnaw at him for the torment that he inflicted on them, and they would gnaw at him forever, and I would have fun, looking at his torment! And Judas Petro would not be able to rise from the ground, so that he would be eager to gnaw at himself, but would gnaw at himself, and his bones would grow, the further, larger, so that through this his pain would become even stronger. That torment for him will be the most terrible: for there is no greater torment for a person than wanting to take revenge and not being able to take revenge."
N.V. Gogol Terrible revenge
This is what awaits the Galician Judases.
Alexander D.

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3 May 2013 17: 54

Complete nonsense. In Western Ukraine, May 9 is officially Victory Day, period! A friend of mine went to Lviv to celebrate the May holidays and everything was OK there! And there are no more nationalists in Western Ukraine than anywhere else!
NKVD

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3 May 2013 17: 54

Stupid motherfuckers who don't care how their grandfathers won, how their grandmothers suffered
understudy

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3 May 2013 17: 55

If we look at history, heresy has never been rehabilitated by persuasion. Therefore, as stated earlier, the tanks and diesel fuel are ours! Formation of tourist groups - as... crews are formed. The problem is that all problems must be resolved definitively. Something like this, well, if kindness is simply not perceived, but is considered weakness. The underdogs were taught, fed, ...educated in a humanitarian manner, and at the end of the day they were a pig with hooves in a trough. You simply need to see this as a specific “strategic product” - remove the skin along with the fat and salt it. Until you get wise!
1. Boris55
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 04
  
  Quote: Understudy
  ... Formation of tourist groups as ... crews are formed ...
  
  Do we have no one else to punch in the face?
  1. understudy
    
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    3 May 2013 18: 12
    
    I have never divided Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and... Kazakhs. We have always been together. But, “He who is not with us is against us!” Alas, I am sure of the “axiomality” of this expression.
understudy

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3 May 2013 18: 01

Quote: gych
?It’s a fig for you, not Crimea!

You... this... change the flag, so as to speak on behalf and on behalf of.
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Sashko07

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3 May 2013 18: 41

Quote: Oper
Those. YOU are to blame! The author clearly separates himself from the “culprits”! Well, it’s our fault, it’s up to us to correct it!

In 91, I was 8 years old, and the Union was shitted not in Kyiv, but in Moscow, you wanted freedom, it wasn’t us who went to Red Square, but the citizens of present-day Russia, and now they want to shift all the blame onto the former republics, you’re interesting ml .those people I see.
1. Kir
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 49
  
  Well, yes, but the local “elites” didn’t seem to have anything to do with it, they had disputed and often cut-off territories of enterprises built with Union money, and if you also remember how many specialists from other Union republics worked there......, and some others and with the health resorts of the Union and also with the royal wine cellars he withdrew, and withdrew, So there is no need to lie, this criminal act is beneficial not only to EBN and his clique, but also to others.
Kir

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3 May 2013 18: 42

Well, what can you say to this, the more unclear your ethnic affiliation, the more ambition you have in exalting your loved ones? I wonder how long these Westerners will be able to live without the eastern and southern regions, and some of the underdogs are still yapping about the great Ukraine within the borders that are no longer up to the Urals! The only disgusting thing is that again on the eve of the Holy Day the dirt came out.
1. RU_PATRIOT
  
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  3 May 2013 18: 49
  
  The myth about the agricultural regions of Ukraine “eating up” the money earned in the industrial east has been debunked: more than 50% of government subsidies in 2011 went to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, as well as the capital, Kyiv.
  
  http://www.domik.net/novosti/naibolee-dotacionnymi-regionami-ukrainy-priznany-ki
  ev-i-donbass-n161189.html
  
  As Korrespondent.biz emphasized in the organization, the share of the Donetsk region in Ukraine’s GDP in 2010 was 12%, and the total amount of subsidies, current and capital transfers received by this region was 2010% in 21, and 2011% of the national total in 27 amounts.
  
  The situation is similar in the Lugansk region - with a share of Ukraine’s GDP of 4%, expenditures in the region amounted to 8% (2010) and 11% (2011).
  
  http://finance.bigmir.net/news/economics/15486-Nazvani-samie-dotacionnie-regioni
  -Ykraini
  Quote: Kir
  I wonder how long these Westerners can live without the eastern and southern regions
2. Stalinets
  
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  5 May 2013 03: 38
  
  When will they come out? Scum, that's why it's scum. And with nationality. Look to the root!
Sashko07

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3 May 2013 18: 44

Quote: Oper
So Sashko, I see you obviously sympathize with this Bendery, as you call them! Well then, run with them!

I sympathize with only one thing - my country in which I grew up and live, and for the Banderaites I would tear your tongue off, it wouldn’t be enough for me to be equated with these fascists. The problem with you Russians is that you cannot distinguish a Ukrainian from a Banderaite, here someone needs treatment, and obviously not me.
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understudy

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3 May 2013 19: 02

Quote: Sashko07
The problem with you Russians is that you cannot distinguish a Ukrainian from a Banderaite

______________________________
Strictly speaking, this is not OUR problem, but yours. We didn’t create it, but YOURS... Julia and nicknames. My roots are from Ukraine, Cossacks of the “second wave”, but I am Russian! Bo is a symbol of valor, honor and glory. Something like this.
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1. Kir
  
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  3 May 2013 19: 29
  
  So it seems like Europe doesn’t celebrate, but commemorates, and in general, what can we demand from the Westerners, when, judging by history, they often gave up without a fight, the main thing is that the shop is intact and who to fawn on until ........., the most The main thing is not to reach their level of politically correct abomination.
2. family tree
  
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  3 May 2013 19: 34
  
  Ukraine celebrates Victory Day. Mourning at the city administrations of Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk. But according to the mind, we need to wait for May 9, look at the events, and then act according to what happened, and if it is confirmed, then put pressure on the government of Ukraine, through all possible channels, carefully, thoughtfully, with all sorts of perversions and to the very tonsils, so that their eyes they came out on the forehead, and then it will go further along the chain.
avant-garde

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3 May 2013 19: 19

Quote: Sashko07
Quote: Oper
So Sashko, I see you obviously sympathize with this Bendery, as you call them! Well then, run with them!

I sympathize with only one thing - my country in which I grew up and live, and for the Banderaites I would tear your tongue off, it wouldn’t be enough for me to be equated with these fascists. The problem with you Russians is that you cannot distinguish a Ukrainian from a Banderaite, here someone needs treatment, and obviously not me.

And how to distinguish you???? I ask without sarcasm, I just want to know?
Terkin

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3 May 2013 19: 32

Chernazem, which Ukraine is rich in, will in the near future (very soon) be valued higher than oil, plus living space, the European Union, the USA, Israel are lobbying for their interests. Hitler could not do this with the help of weapons, now “soft power” is being used. For the natives, the role of service personnel is assigned, and for the fair half of Ukraine, the prospect is to replenish brothels in Europe and the Middle East.
1. Kir
  
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  3 May 2013 19: 37
  
  You will probably be surprised that young ladies from the then Little Russia even then in sufficient numbers joined the ranks of employees of the above-mentioned establishments, especially from the western regions of it.
2. family tree
  
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  3 May 2013 19: 41
  
  What kind of announcement is this? ZAL_UPA, not swearing, but, but it still looks like
Sashko07

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3 May 2013 19: 40

Quote: avant-garde
And how to distinguish you???? I ask without sarcasm, I just want to know?

It’s easy to distinguish, a normal, adequate resident of Ukraine, no matter what region or city, Kyiv, Chernigov, Donetsk, or even any western region, will neither say nor even think bad about his neighbor with whom there is a centuries-old history. A Banderaite, he will pour buckets of slop in your direction with or without, by the word “Banderaite” I don’t mean only residents of the western regions, I mean a person who fiercely hates Russia, and very often doesn’t even know why, and IT DOESN’T MATTER Where does he live.

And regarding the residents of the western regions, I’ll tell you one very interesting fact, Yuri Shevchuk, whom I think everyone knows well, on his tour he once traveled all over Ukraine and visited all regions, including the West, at all his concerts slogans were never heard that something like “get Mos.al home” or something like that, all the concerts, all the songs went off with a bang, the same residents of the hated west of Ukraine sang RUSSIAN songs, and no one said anything bad towards Shevchuk.

Now think about it, do we have fascists and neo-Nazis, or are there still several hundred of them throughout Ukraine?
Maybe it’s time to use your head, and not silently eat all the dirt that is pouring on my country from your Russian sites and TV channels?
1. tixon444
  
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  3 May 2013 20: 17
  
  The Russian people do not wish harm to the brotherly people of Ukraine. Russians and Ukrainians, Tatars and Belarusians, Kazakhs and Jews and many other peoples of the Soviet Union gave 27 million lives in the Great Patriotic War. In a resolution dated November 22, 2004, the UN General Assembly proclaimed Days of Remembrance and Reconciliation (8-9 May), which are dedicated to the memory of the victims of the Second World War. If in the western regions of Ukraine May 9 is declared a day of mourning, but the victory is not celebrated, so much the worse for them, as they say, live like a freak. But you should not prohibit others from laying wreaths and other events, you do not have the right.
2. Egoza
  
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  3 May 2013 20: 27
  
  Sashko! Your position is clear. I just don’t understand why you suddenly decided that the ENTIRE Ukrainian people hate? Well, about the next...
  
  Quote: Sashko07
  the same residents of the hated west of Ukraine sang RUSSIAN songs, and no one said anything bad towards Shevchuk.
  There are other examples:
  “The famous performers Potap and Nastya Kamensky were pelted with eggs at a concert in Ternopil for performing songs in Russian. In this way, members of the regional organization VO “Trizub” expressed their protest against the “vulgar and anti-cultural songs” of these performers, said its chairman Vasily Labaichuk. According to him According to data, about 20 activists took part in the action.
  “We, Ukrainians, consider language to be a mechanism for transmitting national identity from generation to generation. We have never objected to the existence of Russian and other languages. That is why we do not oppose Russian performers who sing in their native language. However, we will always confront those who have forgotten whose parents they are children of, and because of their weakness, promote other people's values, belittling their own. In Ternopil, the rule still applies: “On the Ukrainian stage, Ukrainian artists sing in Ukrainian or don’t sing at all!” - no one has canceled it here,” Labaichuk said.
  And this, again, is not a denunciation of the country and the people, but an attempt to draw attention to these, as you say, “several hundred”, which have already grown to thousands, and if they are not stopped they will continue to spread. Does Ukraine need it?
tixon444

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3 May 2013 19: 45

Quote: RU_PATRIOT
When starting a conversation about the Russian (Russian) language, we should first of all remember that Russia is a non-Slavic country. The territories inhabited by ancient near-Slavic peoples include only Smolensk,

One might think, what a pure and immaculate nation these Ukrainians are! If you like to flaunt history so much, it wouldn’t be a sin to remember how many times through the territory of Ukraine, inhabited in your opinion only by your ancestors, various hordes rolled through at different times: Huns, Pechenegs, Polovtsians, Khazars, Hungarians, Mongols, Turks, Germans twice... Don’t you think that they visited you, and we too, as part of tourist groups? A natural demographic trace is inevitably present in such cases. And classifying Ukrainians as Slavs, and Russians as Finns, or someone else, is a figment of a sick imagination.
Read L.N. Gumilev’s “Ancient Rus' and the Great Steppe”, and you will find out that the Danube Bulgarians, whom we without any doubt attribute to the Slavs, actually became such when they moved there in the XNUMXth century, and before that they lived in the territory of the present Kabardino-Balkaria, and the Balkars are their direct descendants, as well as the Volga Bulgars, whom we now call Tatars.
1. RU_PATRIOT
  
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  3 May 2013 22: 41
  
  Don’t invent something that doesn’t exist, this is the position of Ukrainian nationalists.
  
  "...I mean, there's no phobia?
  
  No phobia. We just want us, Ukrainians, to be respected. By the way, Stepan Bandera said a very important thing in a timely manner: “We are friendly to those peoples who are friendly to us. We are neutral towards those peoples who are neutral towards us. But we will fight against those who fight and destroy our people.”
  
  But this is not nationalism, but the most common position.
  
  Do you think that nationalism is when someone says that we are the best?! This is not nationalism. This is racism. Why should I think that I am better than everyone just because I am Ukrainian? That's bullshit. I love Ukraine not because it is the best, but because it is mine. Ask any person. He loves his mom. But not because she is objectively the best, the most beautiful, she is perfection itself. Any person, if he is normal, loves his mother.
  
  Well, for every person, as a rule, his mother is the best.
  
  Yes. And for me, Ukrainians are the best. But not because Ukrainians are objectively better than others, but because they are our own. Obviously, the Germans are better at assembling cars. Obviously, the Japanese are better in some ways. But we, Ukrainians, must develop our nation, our culture, develop our differences from the rest, what gives us an advantage..."
  
  One of the leaders of “Svoboda” about Ukrainian and Russian nationalism, Victory Day, language and revolution
  
  http://lenta.ru/articles/2013/03/30/illenko/
avant-garde

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3 May 2013 20: 06

Quote: Sashko07
Quote: avant-garde
And how to distinguish you???? I ask without sarcasm, I just want to know?

It’s easy to distinguish, a normal, adequate resident of Ukraine, no matter what region or city, Kyiv, Chernigov, Donetsk, or even any western region, will neither say nor even think bad about his neighbor with whom there is a centuries-old history. A Banderaite, he will pour buckets of slop in your direction with or without, by the word “Banderaite” I don’t mean only residents of the western regions, I mean a person who fiercely hates Russia, and very often doesn’t even know why, and IT DOESN’T MATTER Where does he live.

And regarding the residents of the western regions, I’ll tell you one very interesting fact, Yuri Shevchuk, whom I think everyone knows well, on his tour he once traveled all over Ukraine and visited all regions, including the West, at all his concerts slogans were never heard that something like “get Mos.al home” or something like that, all the concerts, all the songs went off with a bang, the same residents of the hated west of Ukraine sang RUSSIAN songs, and no one said anything bad towards Shevchuk.

Now think about it, do we have fascists and neo-Nazis, or are there still several hundred of them throughout Ukraine?
Maybe it’s time to use your head, and not silently eat all the dirt that is pouring on my country from your Russian sites and TV channels?

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That’s the point, I wrote a post above, I’m sure that there are normal and adequate people in Ukraine, I have relatives there in Kharkov, I’m just sure of that. Fuck those inappropriate children who don’t even know what they’re doing!!!
_Forgiven_

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3 May 2013 20: 28

I'm so tired of these stupid benders... it's just cruel! I understand that the country needs to radically change the government, but not by bringing rotten Nazis to power. Maybe later they will propose to create more concentration camps and throw Russian adherents into them? I am ashamed to live in such a country... If this continues, then put up a thorn fence along the Dnieper: Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Zaporozhye, Donetsk regions and Crimea will be annexed to Russia and there is no need to worry. Let the Westerners eat beetroot and grow pumpkins
Kostya pedestrian

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3 May 2013 20: 31

Some mafiosi simply declare everything to be something. Anyway, they won’t find better ads than Levitan! We were never human, either at the beck and call of the Lithuanians, or scratching the manes of the Cossacks, on our hind legs, or serving the Muscovites, or bowing in fear at the feet of the Red Army soldiers, or giving the reins of power to the Ukrainians of the SSR!

In short, spineless creatures - and here is Hermocracy, you can swallow GOvn, and blame all sorts of crap on the Winners... But still, for 2000 years, they didn’t have anything of their own, except for the Bulgarian old church language, and slaps on the head from ours and from yours are lifelong losers with envy of our Victory over fascism and not only that.
Sashko07

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3 May 2013 21: 58

Quote: Egoza
Sashko! Your position is clear. I just don’t understand why you suddenly decided that the ENTIRE Ukrainian people hate?

I ask you to forgive me if I wrote something offensive to one of the Russians, I don’t think that in your country they think so badly about Ukraine, I’m just saying that TV propaganda puts a lot of pressure on the consciousness of Russians and their perception of Ukraine. For example, even on Channel 5, there is no such real negativity towards Russia (Channel 5 is something like a free, independent channel, which it is clear that it is not), well, that’s not the point, the point is that, unfortunately, the new young generation of Russians perceive us as fascists, one and all, this is what I want to convey to you.

And as for Nastya Kamenskikh and Potap, believe me, they were popular with us for about a year and now they are perceived as clowns (although Kamenskikh as a singer is nothing like that ), they did not deserve such respect as performers, such as the same Shevchuk. And here it doesn’t matter whether they sing in Russian or not, but after listening to their songs you really see what the younger generation has come to, what they sing, what they like. I don’t know if those Tridents are right or not, but they are right about one thing for sure, and that is that we don’t need such a culture.

Happy upcoming Great Holiday to you
Peace war

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3 May 2013 22: 45

Ukraine is a wonderful land. Wonderland..)
Kolovrat

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3 May 2013 23: 04

Of course it's a day of mourning.
After all, April 28 was celebrated there SS DIVISION
tixon444

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3 May 2013 23: 59

Yak romantic smell of cowbass
And the tomatoes rummaged around in the bank.
And in the dance, it’s as quiet as dew,
The homemade peas have finished their meal.
I call lower fat fat,
I taught the bread to tan my back...
How are you listening, listening?
Why the fuck don’t you love Ukraine?!
This is for those who, by vilifying Russia, thereby vilifying Ukraine. To the delight of the enemies.
1. Kolovrat
  
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  4 May 2013 00: 09
  
  Ukraine is initially an anti-Russian project
O_RUS

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4 May 2013 00: 38

Quote: Oper
Concrete actions on the part of Russia are needed!

Give the Russians a rest!

"our nation was destroyed by various genocides, famines and serfdom by Poland, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and other states at different (!) times."
- Do you think that you wrote the truth?
The situation in Ukraine is this - Ukraine can drive itself into complete *OPU
zbidnev

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4 May 2013 08: 55

Great!!! They are already dividing Ukraine. I read the comments and am surprised, it seems like they say brotherly people, a common history, a lot of relatives, but such an attitude. The story was woven into who, how and what piece was taken, who was to blame, etc. Nationalism is very pronounced among your older brothers. In Ukraine they did not kill people based on belonging to other nationalities and did not wage wars; we do not have skinheads and there will not be any. And these Svoboda members, Unaunso and the rest are fed from the authorities and the West, and are putting on a show in front of us (promoting publicity) before the next elections, flirting with the electorate. Here we remember the ancient Roman principle - divide and conquer. It is very actively used by our and your leadership. Using Ukraine as an example, these are east and west, Russia - the Caucasus, etc. Regionals benefit greatly from such quirks described in this article, the east immediately reacts sharply negatively and the ruling party further robs its own people (not the nation, but everyone together (Russians in Ukraine, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars and many others)). And these idiots don’t even measure up to the fascists; even though they raised the German economy, if they come to power they will immediately screw themselves, because other than blowing up monuments and veterans, they don’t know how to offend anything else, except to sell themselves at a higher price. I have many acquaintances both in Western and Eastern Ukraine, and all of them are quite adequate people without all these nationalist excesses, and in Ukraine they are the majority. Less need to be spent on propaganda for the children of Goebbels (of which there are plenty in our efforts).
1. Stalinets
  
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  5 May 2013 03: 32
  
  That's right !!!
Alekseev

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4 May 2013 14: 40

"We can only hope for the sanity of the government, which will take tougher measures against regional authorities."
These measures will be a litmus test for testing the capacity of the regionals and Yanukovych personally.
And also the advisability of doing business with him.
Samsebenaum

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4 May 2013 18: 15

Well, God is your judge...
Sevastopol

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4 May 2013 19: 02

Let these Bandera swineherds burn in hell!!!
T-73

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4 May 2013 19: 30

Quote: rolik
And what will they gain?

Nothing, of course, except the ambitions of the top leaders of Western ideas. If the Lord wants to punish a person, then he takes away reason - there is no reason at all, dull anger, an animal need to hate someone from others. They don’t remember about the Poles, how they cheated in 1942-1944. on the territory of Western Ukraine, how they raped and killed, how they massacred villages. Tears will flow: both of them know this.
T-73

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4 May 2013 19: 46

Quote: My address
Stunning results, especially from an economic geography perspective

There was no trace of it when compiling ratings, indices, forecasts and other bullshit from Standart & Purse, Dax and other “independent” agencies in relation to Russia, Belarus and a number of other countries that are not very interesting to me. Policy. For, as Lenin said, politics is a concentrated expression of economics. And I agree
marina313

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4 May 2013 20: 00

Maybe off topic, but it’s a pity for the huge country in which we once lived.......
piotr534

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4 May 2013 20: 13

May 9 will become a litmus test for Yanukovych’s position, whether he will want and be able to do something to counter the rampant neo-Nazis in western Ukraine. In general, this May 9th will become another wedge in the division of Ukraine. The contradictions between the West and the East will only grow. The question is no longer whether Ukraine will divide, the question is WHEN?
1. Egoza
  
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  4 May 2013 22: 34
  
  Quote: piotr534
  May 9 will become a litmus test for Yanukovych’s position, whether he will want and be able to do something to counter the rampant neo-Nazis in western Ukraine
  
  He will say that the decision of the prosecutor's office - the court - is enough, but he personally does not influence justice!
  In general, as B. Shubin correctly noted, since in Galicia they do not want to celebrate national holidays (May 1, May 9), then why shouldn’t the president make them working days at this time? How about walking around during the week - so they are right there (they do transfers with us, the weekend this time along with Orthodox Easter is already 10 days)? Let them work hard and mourn... in the gardens. And then the cries about Victory Day are “society’s opinion,” but “society” doesn’t mind about the weekend. Although barbecues and celebrations on the “day of sorrow” are somehow not camilleaux!
maksuta

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4 May 2013 21: 30

During the times of the USSR, was May 9 celebrated there the same way?
1. Egoza
  
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  4 May 2013 22: 48
  
  Quote: maksuta
  During the times of the USSR, was May 9 celebrated there the same way?
  
  Of course not. In Lvov there was a parade and a demonstration, and people really had fun. Although a certain part of Lviv residents had a negative attitude towards Russian speakers. On the other hand, you need to remember that some people there are also intimidated by all these torchlight processions in honor of Bandera and other things. The memory of what they did is still fresh. Moreover, now “party affiliation” is also being clarified. Example: Last year, when there was severe flooding, I sat down in ZU, but our own villagers, Ukrainians, were sitting on the roofs with their children, and the “rescue teams” sent from Lvov sailed past in boats and declared: “You voted for the commies here.” “Wait for them to send you help.” It is also true that they can come at night and “explain” how to vote. That’s why they “choose” this way.
Noni4

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4 May 2013 22: 47

You read it and you might rip your stomach out. And everyone who is so confident has already divided and is sitting there gossiping. There are no shortage of fools, there are no shortage of fools...
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 14: 35
  
  For you, people yaks are cursing the freak Bandera fools, and you are stupid, but why 25 fate of your regime of occupation of Ukraine by the Banderivtsy, your svynota has not worked for people, and all the tilkas are crap and bite like snakes in the basement
Noni4

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4 May 2013 22: 51

Some people speak on behalf of the entire people. Yes, you are sick internet warriors)
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 14: 43
  
  I and my entire family are UKRAINIANS and thank God that I don’t have a single supporter of Bandera, for us Ukrainians in Laino Banderivsk
  BANDERISTS ARE CURSED BY ALL UKRAINE
  THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HUMAN
  Bandera's supporters DO EVERY DANGEROUS FOR UKRAINE AND THE PEOPLE
  just like their ancestors!!
  
  I greeted with you in the days of suvori,
  Kohl vogniv Chervonі iziki
  Zagli vіd zemlі pіd samі zorі
  І rode the sky of the litaka.
  Todi people called you dogs
  Bo vlizm nimtsyam postoli,
  Shouted "Heil" in hoarse bass
  І "I haven't died yet ..." they roared in a voice.
  De vi іshli - there pustka i Ruina,
  І the corpses did not move to the pits, -
  Spit the blood of "Nenko Ukraine"
  Mordy you and your hazyam.
  We drank b already її, nebogu,
  We sold us all over the world,
  If it were used for a podmogu
  The "i" did not return immediately.
  Now I know, having called the bones,
  Torguєte i wholesale, i vrozdrіb,
  New katіv ask in the guest
  In Ukrainian Salo and Hlib.
  You will be thrown on aliens
  Already docks dіdko vsіh not pick up,
  Bo know - Ukraine has not yet died
  І do not die!
Altor86

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4 May 2013 22: 58

I am a simple captain of the RF Armed Forces. I would like to congratulate all members of the forum on the Great Victory. No matter what our neighbors say, our grandfathers gave the Nazis a pleasure that was similar to violence. Ukrainians (especially Western ones) have developed a complex of kept women, like I take money and don’t want to give it back debt. Funny. They were slaughtered like pigs, but they forgot. Eternal memory to the heroes!!! Glory to the Soviet Warrior, the savior.
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 14: 48
  
  Thank you and happy MAY 9th to you too!!! But you should know that your neighbors are WE ARE UKRAINIANS and Bandera’s people are Ukrainians, they have neither a nation nor a homeland, don’t confuse people with pigs......
Mill hill

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4 May 2013 23: 40

The Third Reich created concentration camps in which people could get housing and jobs. The Nazis taught children to work, and the best workers went to Germany, gaining valuable experience there. By “slightly” complicating labor conditions, the Nazis created a “competitive environment.” I am generally silent about cultural and educational activities. And everything would have been fine, but the Red Savages interfered with the bright plans of the fascists.

Neo-fascists of Western Ukraine appreciate the contribution of the Third Reich to the development of their region and people!
Stalinets

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5 May 2013 00: 15

Very successfully, the wife of the shaved Yushchenko, worked in the UNA-UNSO program. And to this day, this couple is free. In general, the entire Knesset of Ukraine needs and is time to raise its pitchforks.
Smoke

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5 May 2013 09: 49

Ukrainians are Russians who speak different dialects of the Russian language. Bandera's followers are not Russians or Ukrainians; Bandera's followers are traitors. Those who share Bandera’s political views, no matter where, be it in Canada, the USA, Russia or Ukraine, should be persecuted, condemned and destroyed. Systematically, inevitably, destroyed anywhere on the planet.
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  5 May 2013 14: 27
  
  The main thing is to repeat this more often at night. It will definitely help!
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    6 May 2013 12: 35
    
    and yes, a Trypillian singer named Ponomarenko and embroidered shirt as an element of Trypillian culture
Smoke

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5 May 2013 16: 58

Quote: NONI4
The main thing is to repeat this more often at night. It will definitely help!

too thick...too formulaic
nat2000

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5 May 2013 19: 26

Ukraine is a sovereign state, let them live as they wish. One thing I can’t understand is why are Ukrainian nationalists fighting? Their country is independent, what else is needed? Some in or in Ukraine think that the Russians are asleep and see how to annex Ukraine to Russia. Why don't we need you.
КГБ

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5 May 2013 21: 06

Beat the fascist henchmen!!!
Pagan13

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6 May 2013 09: 22

[quote=Phoenix-D]Ukraine occupied the Hungarian city of Khust, which historically was never Ukrainian)[/quotUkraine became an independent power relatively recently - in the 90s. So don’t blame everything on us. Moreover, what kind of military actions could have been carried out? Country just taking shape...
seller trucks

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6 May 2013 12: 23

Quote: gych
and what lands did Ukraine occupied?

Former Prime Minister of Moldova, now a member of the Senate of Romania Mircea Druk believes that Ukraine "got the fattest piece of all the republics of the former USSR", and "to share it honestly ..."

http://newzz.in.ua/main/1148856949-za-territorialnymi-pretenziyami-rumynii-k-ukr
aine-stoit-nato.html

I’ll say more that as long as Russia has an Army and Navy, Ukraine doesn’t have to be afraid of territorial division, but that’s for now, the rest will depend on Ukraine
Smoke

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6 May 2013 15: 32

Quote: Pagan13
[Ukraine became an independent power relatively recently - in the 90s. So there is no need to blame everything on us. Moreover, what kind of military operations could be carried out? The country was just being formed....

very controversial...who gave Ukraine independence? did you give? I personally didn’t give it... But the fact that three drunks in Belovezhiya gathered and proclaimed some kind of document on the dissolution of the USSR is an absolutely illegal opus from a legal point of view and nothing more. Such decisions are made ONLY on the basis of a referendum with a direct, strict question. There was such a referendum....as a result of which the people clearly spoke: There will be a Union! So, based on this fact alone, one can question the legitimacy of the existence of all 14 former republics, except Russia, since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. And certainly the legitimacy of the ownership of many many territories that Russia at one time transferred to the former fraternal republics (Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, etc.) for use for the benefit of the Soviet people. There is no Soviet people, there is no USSR, there is Russia - the legal successor of the USSR, so it’s time to return the land if you don’t want to live together.
1. Bas luis
  
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  7 May 2013 03: 11
  
  Ukraine is occupied by rednecks Banderlog All shapeshifters Kravchukists Yeltsenists Shushkevists are on TRIAL, to try and execute the scum werewolves from the ticket desks, in Ukraine Kravchuk brought to power the scum who betrayed the SOVIET PEOPLE such werewolves as KRAVCHUK, YUSCHA, TIMOSHENKO, Tyagnibok Lutsenko and.. and need to be judged as traitors to the motherland, All that remains is to bow before the wisdom of the people - THE HUMPBACK GRAVE WILL CORRECT - who invented it a long time ago and here they are, the hunchbacked lying scum, those who betrayed the SOVIET PEOPLE, generated by Gorbachev, they are all in power. Gorbachev surrendered Iraq, Medvedev Libya: Yeltsin Kravchuk Shushkevich and all together they destroyed the USSR They brought freak thieves and bandits to power and all these scum are in good standing with the West-USA-EU. The USA is imposing on the whole world a democracy that does not exist in the world and in not one country in the world there is no improvement and order, a cunning move by the Americans to grab everything for themselves. with the help of such Judases as Kravchuk, Yusha Timoshenikha Tyagnidupa, etc. their children and grandchildren should not be allowed to be higher than janitors, such people must be exterminated from planet EARTH!
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  Quote: Smoke
  And certainly the legitimacy of the ownership of many many territories that Russia at one time transferred to the former fraternal republics (Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, etc.) for use for the benefit of the Soviet people. There is no Soviet people, there is no USSR, there is Russia - the legal successor of the USSR, so it’s time to return the land if you don’t want to live together.
  
  What land are you talking about, weirdo? We are fed up with dreamers about “Russian lands” in Kazakhstan. Learn history.
Bas luis

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7 May 2013 03: 00

The occupiers seized power with the help of the werewolf shifter Kravchuk and others like him Werewolf Komunyak with the desk tickets of the son of a sadistic executioner, for 25 years they have had no success, no progress, no improvement in the lives of the people, and these animals consider themselves Ukrainians. BANDERLOGIES ARE PROSTITUTES!!! the west THEY WERE ONLY USED TO DESTROY OUR PEOPLE, BUT NO ONE EVER ACCEPTED THEM, they were persecuted by everyone, starting with the ROMAN EMPIRE and ending with the FASCISTS, how they were used to destroy our people, here their atrocities towards our UKRAINIAN PEOPLE are very well shown Fun of the Galicians

http://www.segodnia.ru/content/111928

Bandera's Kravchukists are destroyers, continuers of Bandera's occupation of UKRAINE AND ITS DESTRUCTION, this is the GENOCYTE OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE!!! And we accepted them in the USSR as our own, and they received everything equally as SOVIET CHILDREN AND PEOPLE!!! HERE IS THE ANIMAL INSTITUTION OF THE KRAVCHUKIST YUSCHENKIST Scumbags!!!
shark

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7 May 2013 10: 06

It seems that the Ukrainian government is deliberately creating a line of confrontation between the West and the East. By the way, in some ways this line is even artificial. For what? But why? Why should they think and decide about the EU or the Customs Union? They’ll fight over who won and we’ll go in. And it seems like the government has nothing to do with it. All the people, the bastard, have made a mess)))
Bas luis

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7 May 2013 14: 57

I am Ukrainian and I believe that we must rid Ukraine of these lying Banderaites, but the problem of UKRAINE is that the entire TV press is captured by cattle thieves scum Banderaites power was occupied in 80 by the liar changeling Kravchuk who brought to power all these locusts from the scum of the UPA, these are their children and grandchildren who harmed the USSR and have been oppressing our people for 25 years, pitting our peoples against each other. Kravchukists destroyers of UKRAINE!!! IN THE BRAIN OF BANDERLOG THERE ARE NO CELLS FOR HISTORY AND MEMORY, FOR NORMAL DISCUSSION, these creatures do not know how to distinguish between GOOD and EVIL... RESPECT AND RUDE... well, etc. UNIQUE BESTIAL ICTING, which is what these photographs of the atrocities of Bandera prove... .....HERE ARE THE REAL FACTS, rudeness banderlog on all forums in Ukraine and on this site photos
Fun of Galicians

http://www.segodnia.ru/content/111928

HERE are the Banderaites who destroyed our people of Ukraine!! Bandera's people are GENOCIDE OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE!!!
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  7 May 2013 15: 37
  
  It’s interesting how you intend to cleanse your Fatherland of these, it seems like I remember from history that Petlyura still managed to inherit the legacy, and he also has predecessors, that’s something I think until you destroy Uniatism-Greko as an institution and even better as an ideology -Catholic distortion it seems that oh, how long and with varying success will you plague these weeds?
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Spike

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7 May 2013 22: 50

Quote: Scythian 35
No offense, but I think this piece will make you choke
Now I have enough of my own shit about this...Why else are parasites?
Pagan13

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8 May 2013 22: 51

[quote=Hudo]1) When was the term “Ukraine” first mentioned and by whom? In what contest was this used? 2) About the “historical lands” please be more detailed, I’m very interested in historical anecdotes. 3) “...Russia didn’t give it as a dowry...” TO US??? For whom is this?!!!! Considering that the nationality “Ukrainian” itself was actually implemented during the 1926 census, until now no one had ever heard of such a people.[/quote
The term “Ukraine” was mentioned back in the times of Kievan Rus, like in the time of Vladimir, and means “Edge, outskirts” if you don’t know!!!Historical anecdotes, you say???You understand, it was on our lands that Kievan Rus was born - the mother of Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian people! Later, the Russian people became the dominant among them, and then by stealing us as much as possible! When St. Petersburg was built, how many people died, and the majority of Ukrainians, supposedly they are lower than you, Russians and Belarusians! I don’t want to talk about Belarusians either , they got it from you too! And you, pathetic ones, relying on lies and hypocrisy, oppress us as best you can, calling us Little Russians, our country Little Russia, but who are you, huh??? Blame us for the occupation of cities that did not belong to us, in all kinds of heresy!!! People, don’t sit on the Internet, don’t read Russian history, because they’ve created such a heresy about us that our mother is dear!!! Read Shevchenko, Grushevsky, Ukrainian, Kostenko - then you’ll understand what was going on with us, and what do you have!!! And believe me, if you were born here, you would understand me!!! Now there are enough ignorant provocateurs, hypocrites who write not only about us, Ukrainians, Belarusians and others, but also about you, Russians, agree !So check all the sources, and then say it, but it will already be the truth!
Pagan13

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8 May 2013 22: 53

Quote: Kir
It’s interesting how you intend to cleanse your Fatherland of these, it seems like I remember from history that Petlyura still managed to inherit the legacy, and he also has predecessors, that’s something I think until you destroy Uniatism-Greko as an institution and even better as an ideology -Catholic distortion it seems that oh, how long and with varying success will you plague these weeds?

Do you even understand what you're talking about???
Pagan13

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8 May 2013 23: 07

Quote: Smoke
very controversial...who gave Ukraine independence? did you give? I personally didn’t give it... But the fact that three drunks in Belovezhiya gathered and proclaimed some kind of document on the dissolution of the USSR is an absolutely illegal opus from a legal point of view and nothing more. Such decisions are made ONLY on the basis of a referendum with a direct, strict question. There was such a referendum....as a result of which the people clearly spoke: There will be a Union! So, based on this fact alone, one can question the legitimacy of the existence of all 14 former republics, except Russia, since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. And certainly the legitimacy of the ownership of many many territories that Russia at one time transferred to the former fraternal republics (Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, etc.) for use for the benefit of the Soviet people. There is no Soviet people, there is no USSR, there is Russia - the legal successor of the USSR, so it’s time to return the land if you don’t want to live together.

Brilliant, but stupid... Any country you wanted could leave the union, but no, the Soviet government wanted to maintain territorial integrity by any means. But who likes to be on someone’s leash??? Do you like it??? But the Baltics didn’t like how and some others. And what they gave away - blame those who came up with this and sealed everything with documents. And aren't you talking too much??? or what?? Is it okay that some lands, supposedly yours, were once historical for some countries, and you captured them and took them for yourself?? Nothing like that, cool guy, straight, and then you say you’ll join us, and if not, we’ll join you... Really cool guys, they worked quickly...
Pagan13

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8 May 2013 23: 20

Quote: Sashko07
It’s easy to distinguish, a normal, adequate resident of Ukraine, no matter what region or city, Kyiv, Chernigov, Donetsk, or even any western region, will neither say nor even think bad about his neighbor with whom there is a centuries-old history. A Banderaite, he will pour buckets of slop in your direction with or without, by the word “Banderaite” I don’t mean only residents of the western regions, I mean a person who fiercely hates Russia, and very often doesn’t even know why, and IT DOESN’T MATTER Where does he live. And regarding the residents of the western regions, I’ll tell you one very interesting fact, Yuri Shevchuk, whom I think everyone knows well, on his tour he once traveled all over Ukraine and visited all regions, including the West, at all his concerts slogans were never heard that something like “get Mos.al home” or something like that, all the concerts, all the songs went off with a bang, the same residents of the hated west of Ukraine sang RUSSIAN songs, and no one said anything bad towards Shevchuk. Now think about it Do we have fascists and neo-Nazis, or are there still several hundred of them throughout Ukraine? Maybe it’s time to use your head, and not silently eat all the dirt that is pouring on my country from your Russian sites and TV channels?

Look, those words are wonderful))) Why do you need to blame us and others? Why do you decide everything for the authorities? And thus you want conflict again like from ancient times? I’m already tired of proving that you don’t immediately Having read it normally, you delete it, write heresy... You see, here is a site to discuss together, and not to play in a meat grinder: who will offend whom more...
O_RUS

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23 May 2013 00: 32

Quote: prior67
But the Caucasus is not fed up?

What... did you like bending your back in front of the beast?
O_RUS

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23 May 2013 00: 40

Quote: Pagan13
Ukraine is an independent country. Well, I don’t know about the nation, just if you delve into history, our nation was destroyed by various genocides, famines and serfdom by Poland, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and other states at different (!) times.

“500 Seconds of the Truth about Ukraine” is dedicated to debunking the monstrous lie underlying the Polish-Austrian project “Ukraine”. It opens our eyes to the fictitious history of the “Ukrainian nation”, built on forgery and hoaxes, forgetting its past and glorifying traitors and traitors.
O_RUS

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23 May 2013 00: 54

Quote: Pagan13
Quote: Blackky
Ukraine is not a country, Ukrainians are not a nation.

Ukraine is an independent country. Well, I don’t know about the nation, just if you delve into history, our nation was destroyed by various genocides, famines and serfdom by Poland, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and other states at different (!) times.

but in fact, this is what happened - “500 seconds of the truth about Ukraine” is dedicated to debunking the monstrous lie that formed the basis of the Polish-Austrian project “Ukraine”. It opens our eyes to the fictitious history of the “Ukrainian nation”, built on forgery and hoaxes, forgetting its past and glorifying traitors and traitors.
1. Kaa
  
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  ,
  Quote: O_RUS
  is dedicated to debunking the monstrous lie underlying the Polish-Austrian project “Ukraine”.
  OBJECT, ARGUMENTALLY, NOT TO ME, BUT TO THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE (SOOOOO MUCH OF THEM, I CHOOSE THE SHORT OPTION)
  “When it comes to the ideology of Pan-Slavism, so popular in the XNUMXth century, Western agitprop immediately includes the familiar message that this is all a product of Moscow propaganda, hiding far-reaching goals. Of course, by the enslavement of free Europe, which has been striving from time immemorial for democratic values. In fact, the forerunner of Pan-Slavism should be considered the Croatian philosopher and encyclopedist Yuri Krizanich, who back in the XNUMXth century. actively advocated the unity of the Slavic peoples under the scepter of the Russian kingdom and openly wrote about this in his numerous works. The very term “Pan-Slavism” was born in 1826. obliged to the Czech Jan Herkel. In Central Europe in those years, Pan-Slavic ideas were extremely popular and among the first Pan-Slavists we meet many Slovak and Czech outstanding names - Ljudevit Stur, Pavel Safarik, Josef Dobrovsky. Even the author of the anthem of the pan-Slavist movement “Gay, Slavs!” there was a Slovak - Samuel Tomasik. The founder of the Pan-Slavic movement in Slovak poetry, Jan Kollar, wrote: “Head - Russia is majestic. Poland - Stan. Behind them, in turn, the Czechs - arms and, in a double column, the Serbs - legs. This is how Glory would stand... and would rise up to the clouds, and Europe would fall to its knees, listening to the worldwide thunder of its steps!” The Pan-Slavist message issued by the Czech-Slovak intelligentsia was enthusiastically taken up in Russia. The Slovak Ljudevit Stuhr bitterly described the inability of the Slavs to come to an agreement with each other, and this is precisely what explained the weakness of the Slavic states of Europe, which fell one after another under the onslaught of the more organized Germans. From the mosaic of Slavic peoples, he especially singled out the Russians, who managed to create the largest Slavic state in the world: “The Russians are a complete exception, and at the same time, it is extremely remarkable that it is not the Slavs themselves who founded the Russian state, and from its very beginning they develop an all-subordinating force, uniting disparate parts into one great whole. This strength, instilled in Rus' from a stranger, was adopted by the capable Russian people and passed on as an inheritance to the bearers of the highest power in them. It significantly contributed to the fact that the Russian state not only outlived all other Slavic states, but also developed in such a way that with its majestic bulk it represented the only and powerful bulwark against the further pressure of foreign elements in our world and reflected this pressure at all points.” But the words of Lyudevit Not everyone welcomed Stuhr. Even then, there was a split in the Pan-Slav movement: some of the Czech-Slovak figures hoped to unite the Slavs based on the Austrian monarchy (Austroslavism of Frantisek Palacki) and were opponents of the orientation towards Russia. Austroslavism turned into an alternative ideology of the Western and Central European Slavs, opposing Russophile tendencies. Thus, from the very beginning, Pan-Slavism featured two completely different poles of attraction from a civilizational point of view - Austria and Russia. Representatives of Polish pan-Slavism were drawn to the Austrians, ruling out any possibility of friendship with the Russians. They believed that Poland should serve as the center of unity of all Slavs, and the key to the success of such plans was the restoration of great Poland within the former borders of 1772. But this was the maximum task. The minimum task for Polish pan-Slavists was to find support in Vienna for confrontation with Moscow.
  1. Kaa
    
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    23 May 2013 01: 11
    
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    Quote: O_RUS
    
    “The Slavs stubbornly refused to turn into an independent geopolitical category, torn by internal contradictions. It is still in this state. Only instead of Vienna, the overwhelming majority of Slavic states are oriented towards Washington with the same goal - to prevent the most powerful Slavic power, i.e. Russia, act as the consolidating core of the Slavic world. Austroslavism was replaced by Americanoslavism. The name has changed. The essence is the same. The successes of Americanoslavism are more impressive than those of its predecessor in the 2th century. Central European and Western European countries fell into the orbit of Austroslavism. Orthodox states of Eastern Europe fell into the orbit of Americanoslavism Europe - Ukraine and Belarus. The latter, however, quickly found the strength to escape from the tenacious clutches of Washington, but paid for it with economic isolation, incessant pressure not only from the United States, but also from colleagues in the Slavic workshop - Poland and the Czech Republic, where American Slavism turned into the dominant ideology. Ukraine deserves a separate discussion, as republic number XNUMX in the East Slavic triad of the Soviet Union. Kyiv, sadly enough, stubbornly refuses to remember its own history and its Russian roots. Ukraine was originally conceived as an anti-Russian and even anti-Slavic project, beneficial exclusively to the West. The ideology of Ukrainianism, which is placed at the forefront in the republic, as a state-forming ideological platform, is a dummy, a scarecrow stuffed with all sorts of historical rubbish - from the image of Mazepa and Bandera to a more sleek version of “cultural Ukrainianism” in the form of modern Ukrainian politicians currying favor with the openly pro-fascist electorate of the West. - Ukrainian regions. There is no place for our common heroes in Ukraine. Ukrainians have their own pantheon, consisting of dubious personalities who clumsily draped themselves in the vestments of science and patriotism, but at the same time reduced Ukraine to the role of a political object. The lame ideology of Ukrainianism was very useful here, because Ukrainians are not the author of original geopolitical theories, and prefer to use foreign “blanks”.
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      23 May 2013 01: 14
      
      Quote: O_RUS
      O_RUS
      
      “The geopolitics of Ukraine is an imported product, an “intellectual duplicate” of Western geopolitics, primarily Polish (Jozef Pilsudski, Juliusz Mieroszewski, Włodzimierz Bonczkowski). Among the developers of geopolitical theories of Ukrainianness were ethnic Poles - M. Kolodzinski, N. Sciborski. Analytical centers and political the bodies of Ukrainian geopolitics were located abroad - the Black Sea Institute of Y. Lipa was located in Warsaw, the Union for the Liberation of Ukraine of D. Dontsov - in Vienna. In addition, the geopolitics of Ukraine is teeming with conceptual contradictions. On the one hand, Ukraine declares a campaign against imperial Russia. On the other - calls for the construction of his empire, “from Xiang to the Caucasus". In this case, Ukrainianity serves as a continuation (epigon) of the Western imperialist impulse, seeking to penetrate deep into Eurasia. At the same time, the role of Ukraine in the international arena does not change. It still remains a marginal state on the border two worlds without the prospect of becoming a strong power. Warsaw, with its centuries-old traditions of Polish statehood, cannot do this, and there are no prerequisites for Kiev to succeed. In accordance with the geopolitical theories of Ukrainian nationalists, Ukraine is by default assigned the role of Poland in the confrontation between the countries of the collective West and Russia. The shift of the civilizational “front line” from Polish territory to the territory of Ukraine frees Poland from the need to be a constant arena of clashes between two worlds, since the main collisions will play out directly on Ukrainian lands. Poland will remain in the rear of this struggle. This will turn Ukraine into a “poor relative”, relying only on the West for everything. Today this “relative” is Warsaw. The geopolitics of Ukrainians is mentally based on Western culture and Western logic of relations between man and space, and is a translation of Western sociology of space to the lands of all of Ukraine. The concept of space as a quantitative category, i.e. a simple collection of kilometers or hectares, gained a foothold in the scientific community thanks to the French thinker and scientist Rene Descartes, who introduced the philosophical concepts of res cogitans (a thinking thing) and res extensa (an extended thing). It was in these categories that Rene Descartes thought about the relationship between man, as a thinking thing, and space, as an extended thing. According to Descartes, a person saw a certain spatial extent in front of him and perceived it purely quantitatively, as a set of mathematical data (the total area of space, its length and width). European science of that era was distinguished by extreme rationalism, so Descartes perceived man's relationship to space through quantitative optics. This view is typical of the worldview of a Western person, approaching everything, incl. to geographical space, from the position of rationalism. Western man comes to subjugate space, conquer it and remake it in his own way.
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        23 May 2013 01: 19
        
        Quote: O_RUS
        O_RUS
        
        ". Politics is largely shaped by culture. For the West, the conquest of space has a quantitative dimension. Here the philosophy of accumulation, so characteristic of Western thinking, makes itself felt. The West, represented by the United States, as the only superpower, is “collecting” an increasing number of countries into its “piggy bank”, incl. on the territory of the former USSR - Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Ukraine. There is no question about the “quality” of these countries: at the state level in some of these countries fascism, ultra-nationalism and racial intolerance are glorified. In a sociological context, the geopolitics of Ukraine expresses the opinions of a maximum of 15% of the population (Western Ukraine) against the remaining 85% (the center and southeast of the country). The geopolitics of Ukrainianism is the antithesis of Eurasianism and continentalism. There is an extremely short ideological distance between the Ukrainian idea and pro-Nazi views. A strictly “Ukrainian” format of thinking, no matter where the bearer of this format lives - in Western Ukraine or in another region of the country, implies at least partial justification for collaboration and confrontation with the Red Army during the Second World War. The Ukrainian idea is subject to mutations. It balances between two poles - the official ideology of Ukraine as a sovereign Slavic state and the idea of “Ukraine for Ukrainians!” In modern Ukraine, both interpretations coexist, since even the official idea of a sovereign Ukrainian state implies separation from Russia and Belarus in political, cultural and economic terms. The authorities need to maintain and consolidate the conditional mental divide between Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, otherwise it will come to the natural attraction of the Eastern Slavs to each other and the loss of the meaning of Ukrainianness as the basis for their own statehood. Therefore, willingly or unwillingly, even the most pro-Russian Ukrainian government carefully guards the sprouts of the Ukrainian idea, while simultaneously suppressing the growth of the idea of a common Russian world. For reasons of political correctness, the official Ukrainianness of Kyiv, which is only a softened and sleek version of Ukrainian otherness, from which racist elements were removed, but left as a “secret weapon” for grassroots use, is not criticized. Therefore, passionate Ukrainian nationalism is always in the position of attacker. The Russian idea is always on the defensive. We come to the conclusion that Ukrainianism is the most harmful ideological injection of American-Slavism into the body of the Russian world. Ukrainians work for the transatlantic pole of power, weakening pan-Slavist ideas directly at the borders of Russia and Belarus. In parallel with this, in Belarus, Western funds are sponsoring the creators of the “Belarusian idea” as a twin myth of Ukrainianism, and in Russia the very idea of Slavic unity is being obstructed. American Slavism came to our lands. It does not threaten us from afar, as Austroslavism did. No, he invaded directly into the Orthodox-Slavic ecumene, operates on our territory and is in the position of an attacker.
        Vladislav Gulevich
4season

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April 30 2014 16: 34

Bendery, please accept our condolences!