In the western regions of Ukraine 9 May declared a day of mourning

Western regions of Ukraine seriously intend to declare the day of 9 in May as a day of mourning. Moreover, the relevant bills have already been adopted by Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk city councils. According to these documents, on Victory Day festive processions are prohibited, as well as the use of symbols of Soviet times, including the red flag and veterans' military orders. Such a decision of local authorities (which, by the way, are mostly represented by “Svoboda”), causes confusion and bewilderment, because, according to Ukrainian legislation, the holiday 9 is recognized as an official public holiday in May. Obviously, Ukrainian laws mean nothing to neo-fascists.

In accordance with the words of one of the initiators of the decision, the city council deputy from the Freedom party, Lyubomir Melnychuk, all the statements of the Ukrainian government about the celebration of 9 on May and the use of one of the main symbols of communist terror - the red flag - is another provocation, which In some cases, it should not be allowed in Lviv. Also, the same deputy called on Ukrainians to spend the day in prayer for those who died in the war.

At the same time, the logic of decisions made by regional authorities is rather difficult to understand. Indeed, according to the same Melnichuk, Lviv, as a European city, must adhere to the European practice of honoring those who died in World War II. But at the same time, it is he who proposes to declare not only 9, but also 8 on May, that is, the day when all of Europe celebrates victory over Nazi Germany ...

In fact, to understand the true reason for the decisions made is very simple: Ukrainian neo-fascists by any means necessary to replace the bright holiday of Victory with its full opposite - the day of sorrow. Thus, according to the "independent", they will be able to erase from the memory of the people historical the truth, which was common to Ukraine and Russia, replacing it with its version. At the same time, the main blow is aimed not only at the common Soviet past, but also at its carriers - veterans who still remained in the western regions. It turns out that all the most valuable and important that has been preserved since Soviet times, with the abolition of Victory Day, is subject to destruction and eradication. And the veterans, thanks to whom this victory was won, and which are becoming less and less every year, no longer have the right to come together to remember past times and celebrate a bright holiday ...

But that's not all. The decision to eradicate the Soviet legacy of "Svobodovtsy" not limited. In addition to the decision to recognize 8-9 in May as days of mourning, the bill of the Lviv City Council also says that these days are recognized as days of grief for the victims of all totalitarian regimes, including Hitler’s. It turns out that the representatives of the Svoboda party, who currently occupy leadership positions, are inherently anti-fascists, and Shukhevych together with Bandera are not really Hitler's henchmen, but the real heroes of Ukraine. So it turns out that the decision taken by the Lvov and Ivano-Frankivsk authorities is not only to erase the entire Soviet legacy from people's memory, but also to cleanse their heroes from the Nazi mud.

It is clear that such illegal decisions could not go unnoticed by the government. So, in particular, Prime Minister N. Azarov during a briefing held on April 30, stated that the decision taken in the western regions is illegal, because it contradicts the Basic Law of the country. The Prime Minister stated that the decision was beyond the competence of local authorities, and there was no point in talking about any European integration, since the local authorities themselves violated the Constitution. According to Azarov, the recognition of the 9 of May as a day of mourning is immoral, but for sorrow there is another day - this is the 22 of June, the day the war started. At the end of his speech, the Prime Minister said that everyone who is trying to change history should remember what happened in this case (referring to Nazism), and also assured that the government will do everything possible so that neo-Nazism in Ukraine has no chance to development.

Representatives of the Party of Regions and the Communist Party did not stand aside either. Regionals are confident that the decision taken in Galicia is primarily a betrayal of their own people, because 9 of May was always considered a Victory Day and to prohibit it is to betray the memory of their ancestors, who at the cost of their own lives defended the future generations . At the same time, the regionals are confident that the scandalous solution is a rough provocation, which aims at destabilizing the situation in society and provoking the popular opposition. A vivid proof of this is the statement of the Lviv communists about their intention to celebrate the Victory Day with flags and processions. Thus, it is quite possible that the history of a year ago can be repeated, when in Lviv the neo-fascists actually persecuted the veterans ...

According to representatives of the ruling party, all attempts by neo-Nazis to defile the memory of the people's feat or the Victory symbols will be harshly suppressed and suppressed. But if you think well, behind these words is not quite what I would like. So, Lviv police received an order to protect military monuments in the region from vandals from 7 on May, but at the same time there is no mention of the need to ensure protection to veterans during demonstrations. Moreover, around 150 law enforcement officers are allocated to everything, and this is to the thousands of neo-Nazis who live and are active in Lviv ...

If you go a little further, it becomes quite obvious that such a decisive “anti-Freedom” position of the regionals is not really so anti-fascist. More recently, one event occurred which is proof of this: the Poles accused the Ukrainian Freedom Party of neo-Nazism, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which is under the control of the government and, accordingly, of the Party of Regions, came to their defense. Recall that in early April, the Polish government adopted a resolution recognizing the OUN-UPA, SS “Galichina”, as well as the Ukrainian police, which served the fascists as criminal organizations that committed genocide against the Poles in 1939-1947. In response, the Ukrainian government perceived such a decision as an unfriendly gesture towards Ukraine, as interference in its internal affairs, and moreover, it perceived this project as an attempt to complicity with Russia ...

In addition to the authorities, some political scientists also expressed their attitude to the decision taken in the West of Ukraine. Thus, according to G. Trofimchuk, the first vice-president of the Center for Modeling Strategic Development, such a decision is quite normal and natural, because it happened to almost everyone who had escaped from the so-called Soviet occupation zone. In the end, all this euphoria faded away, because there is no way to go back to the past. Therefore, do not interfere with Lviv "enthusiasts": if they are sure that the holidays need to be renamed or even establish a new holiday - let them do, it will be more interesting to watch them from the side.

Political analyst D.Orlov, who is the general director of the analytical center “Strategy East-West”, says that in the light of the current situation, the Ukrainian head of state is quite unfairly called a dictator. After all, dictators in the event of even the slightest focus of separatism and disobedience immediately surround him and pacify him with weapons. And Yanukovych is still a Democrat, what kind of search is necessary. According to Orlov, Victory Day is a holiday fixed at the state level, and if the head of state ordered to celebrate it, then the task of the local authorities is to execute this order in full, and not make any incomprehensible decisions.

Political analyst L.Savin, the editor-in-chief of Geopolitics, is convinced that the decision of the Lviv authorities is a consequence of the coming to power of ultra-right neo-Nazis, who were supported by the finances of the same Yanukovych. Therefore, such decisions may appear in other areas of the western region, especially in those of them where there is a fairly large percentage of active Bandera nationalists. As a result, a further split of Ukrainian society and new conflicts may occur. Therefore, all free thinking of local authorities must be stopped.

Anyway, the decision has already been made, and one can only hope for the sanity of the government, which will take more stringent measures against the regional authorities. However, there is still a small chance that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis still have at least a little philanthropy and respect for their ancestors, and the decision will not have any serious consequences, although it is unlikely ...

Materials used:
http://www.km.ru/world/2013/04/26/istoriya-velikoi-otechestvennoi-voiny/709787-9-maya-vo-lvove
http://rossiya-ukraina.livejournal.com/1417632.html
http://for-ua.com/ukraine/2013/04/25/135252.html

Comments

[vladsolo56]

the division of Ukraine took place de facto. The authorities are trying to reconcile the incompatible. Legally, while everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the division will take place completely. The only question is how, peacefully or not. Judging by the sentiments of western Ukraine, most likely not very much. It seems to me that the eastern regions should not turn away, but prepare for a similar scenario.

[djon3volta]

Quote: vladsolo56

everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the separation will take place completely.

What exactly will happen? Give a specific scenario, and don’t beat around the bush.
there will be two Ukraine or what? what will be, can you clearly and completely state your idea? or is it all veiled, in riddles, hints, interest

[Canep]

I think it may happen that there will be not 2, but more Ukraine. While in power, representatives of the oligarchs, the situation will not change. Here, Russia has the opportunity to return Crimea.

[Hudo]

Quote: Canep

I think it may happen that there will be not 2, but more Ukraine. While in power, representatives of the oligarchs, the situation will not change. Here, Russia has the opportunity to return Crimea.

This is why only the Crimea? And Donbass, and the Black Sea?

[Deniska999]

And the whole of Ukraine?

[Hudo]

Quote: Deniska999

And the whole of Ukraine?

There is a desire to again fish out Banderasts from caches, and then warm the Galician viper on the chest, feed it? In Poland, they must be surrendered to anal slavery, as bequeathed to them historically.

[Shawnee]

quote] In Poland, surrender them to anal slavery, [/ quote]
Why so cruel - it all began humanly in 1914

[Eric]

Appetite comes with eating

[Scythian 35]

No offense, but I think choke on such a piece.

[AK44]

Do not worry, do not choke.

[prior67]

But the Caucasus is not fed up?

[d_trader]

Yes, you yourself will reach Russia and reach out like a fried smell. Who needs the Slavs, besides us the same Slavs. When you already learn to turn on the brain.

[Scythian 35]

What kind of fairy tales ??? When Ivanushka tried on boots for purchase at the bazaar, they stole his own from him !!!

[Shawnee]

General agreement

On cooperation, mutual assistance, joint activity between the Main Directorate of State Security of the NKVD of the USSR and the Main Directorate of Security of the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany (GESTAPO).

Signing time: mountains. Moscow November 11, 1938 15 hours 40 minutes

The People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs of the USSR Union, hereinafter referred to as the NKVD, represented by the Head of the Main Directorate of State Security, Commissioner of State Security 1st Rank Lavrenty BERIYA

on the one hand, and the Main Security Directorate of the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany,

represented by the Head of the Fourth Directorate (GESTAPO) Heinrich MULLER, on the basis of power of attorney No. 1 448 / 12-1, dated November 3, 1938, issued by the chief of the Main Directorate of Security Reichsfuhrer SS Reinhard Heydrich, hereinafter referred to as GESTAPO,

on the other hand, they have concluded this general agreement on cooperation, mutual assistance, joint activity between the NKVD and the GESTAPO.

§ 1.
item 1. The parties see the need for developing close cooperation between the state security bodies of the USSR and Germany in the name of security and prosperity of both countries, strengthening good neighborly relations, friendship between the Russian and German peoples,

joint activities aimed at waging a merciless fight against common enemies leading a systematic policy of fomenting war, international conflicts and enslaving humanity.

item 2. The parties to this agreement see the historic need for such a decision and will try to do everything to strengthen the influence and power positions of their countries around the world without causing mutual harm.

Taking into account the historical processes in the development of international relations, in which the USSR and Germany are the leading countries, as well as that good relations are established between our governments, friendship and cooperation are strengthening between the peoples, at the same time, the desire of the common enemies of the USSR and Germany is aimed at separation of good neighborly relations,

incitement of distrust, hostility, outright hostility and revanchist attacks by the NKVD and the GESTAPO will lead joint activities in the fight against common enemies and will inform their governments about the results of such activities.

item 3. Aware that the recent changes in the world present our countries with a unique chance to establish a new order in the world, based on primacy, wishing to give dynamism to relations between the USSR and Germany, the parties agreed on the following:

[Shawnee]

§ 2.
item 1. The NKVD and the GESTAPO will develop their relations in the name of the prosperity of friendship and cooperation between our countries.

item 2. The parties will lead a joint struggle against common main enemies:

- international Jewry, its international financial system, Judaism and the Jewish worldview;

- the degeneration of humanity, in the name of healing the white race and creating eugenic mechanisms of racial hygiene.

item 3. The types and forms of degeneration to be sterilized and destroyed by the parties were determined by additional protocol No. 1, which is an integral part of this agreement.

§ 3.
item 1. The parties will do their utmost to strengthen the principles of socialism in the USSR, national socialism in Germany, and are convinced that one of the fundamental elements of security is the process of militarizing the economy, developing the military industry and strengthening the strength and capacity of the armed forces of their states.

item 2. The parties will contribute to the development of cooperation in the military field between our countries, and, if necessary, war, contribute to the conduct of joint intelligence and counterintelligence activities on the territory of enemy states.

§ 4.
item 1. In the event of situations that, in the opinion of one of the parties, pose a threat to our countries, they will inform each other and immediately make contact to coordinate necessary initiatives and take active measures to ease tensions and to resolve such situations.

§ 5.
item 1. The parties attach great importance to the development and deepening of professional activity. Exchange of experience and meetings, business trips of employees of both departments will be carried out on an ongoing basis.

item 2. The leaders of the NKVD and the GESTAPO, employees of the services of both departments will have regular meetings to hold consultations, discuss other events that contribute to the development and deepening of relations between our countries.

§ 6.
item 1. The parties will contribute to the expansion and deepening of cooperation between our countries in the areas of:

- military industry;
- aircraft construction;
- economics;
- finance;
- scientific and technical cooperation;
- in the field of energy;
- science and technology;
- in the field of innermost secrets, theozolotia, Theosophy, paranormal and abnormal phenomena that affect social processes and the internal life of states.

§ 7.
Clause 1. Each of the parties will facilitate as much as possible, on the basis of reciprocity, the visa regime for the entry of employees of both departments into our countries.

§ 8.
item 1. The parties will enter into additional agreements as necessary in order to implement the provisions of this agreement.

§ 9.
item 1. This agreement shall enter into force on the day of its signing for a period of five years and will be automatically extended for subsequent five-year periods.

The text of the agreement is printed in Russian and German in a single copy, each of which has the same force, sealed with the signatures and seals of the representatives of the NKVD and the GESTAPO. The Russian text of the agreement remains in the NKVD, German in the GESTAPO.

Done at Moscow, November 11, 1938, at 15 p.m. 40 min

Signatures of the parties:

HEAD OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF STATE SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR COMMISSIONER OF STATE SECURITY 1 RANK L. BERIA

HEAD OF THE FOURTH DEPARTMENT (GESTAPO) OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF SECURITY OF THE NATIONAL-SOCIALIST WORKING PARTY OF GERMANY Brigadeführer SS G. MULLER

[Shawnee]

PROTOCOL No.1

Appendix to the agreement of November 11, 1938 between the NKVD and the GESTAPO.

Among other things, the parties determined that in § 2 paragraph 3 of the signed agreement we are talking about the following types of qualifications of degenerative signs of degeneration, such as:

- red;
- oblique;
- outwardly ugly, lame and oblique from birth, having speech defects: lisp, burr, stutter (congenital);
- witches and sorcerers, shamans and clairvoyants, Satanists and thistles;
- humpback, dwarfs and with other pronounced defects, which should be attributed to the section of degeneration and degeneration;
- persons with large birthmarks and a plurality of small, different-colored skin coatings, multi-colored eyes, etc.

The parties will additionally determine the qualifications of the types (types) of degeneration and signs of degeneration. Each of the parties will determine the appropriate (acceptable) limit and program for the sterilization and destruction of these species.

Signatures of the parties:
HEAD OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF STATE SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR COMMISSIONER OF STATE SECURITY 1 RANGE L. BERIY

HEAD OF THE FOURTH DEPARTMENT (GESTAPO) OF THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF SECURITY OF THE GERMAN NATIONAL-SOCIALIST WORKING PARTY

[Lopatov]

Cool. Only the question arises, if this agreement is not another remake, then what facts indicate that it was being implemented?

Here, for example, remember the meeting in Brest. On the one hand, Guderian, on the other, Semyon Moiseevich Krivoshein, a purebred Jew.
But what about §2 paragraph 2 of the text you posted?

[Lopatov]

Yes, I know. In general, such fakes pop up with amazing regularity.

[Shawnee]

[Scythian 35]

On this occasion, everything has already been eaten a thousand times, including on this site. Guderian was indignant, didn’t want to host a parade with a Jew until he was pulled at.

[luka095]

Yeah. Persistence you do not hold. And yet, why?

[crest 57]

"The bolder the lie, the easier it is to believe in it."
Dr. Goebbels.

[luka095]

Dear Shawnee, the fake directly shouts that the fake. Still, why do you need this?

[luka095]

Dear Shawnee! You replicate a fake that has been repeatedly analyzed. The absurdities are striking in the text you cite. Why do you need this?

[Kolya]

If you want to know what will happen to Ukraine, look at its history in the second decade of the last century. Maybe not 100% but 90% it will become clear. And Western Ukraine most likely this time will step aside, and let Yanukovych take it for himself.

[evgenm55]

It’s certainly Crimea, but for the rest it’s a shame, and a terrible shame. They take their motherland as they want. Joseph Vissarionovich did not knowingly want to send all the Galician fuck-up for corrections, it’s a pity, he did not have time.

[starshina78]

Russia had the opportunity to return Crimea in 1991 in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Kravchuk recalled that he was afraid of such an opportunity - Yeltsin would demand Crimea in exchange for signing an agreement on the CIS, but he probably was hungover, or glad to the ugliness that he would become the master of Russia. And as for Ukraine, even at the beginning of Yushchenko’s presidency, some political scientists (Ukrainian by the way) considered the question of splitting Ukraine into three states: Crimea, Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine. Further action involved the annexation of the eastern part and Crimea to Russia as a federation, and the western part to Hungary and part to Poland.

[domokl]

Quote: djon3volta

what exactly will happen? give a specific scenario

Well, if you so want to find out everything, I will tell you the script.
For more than 20-year history, the people of Ukraine elected different presidents and the Rada, made a revolution, stood for months at rallies and other, other, other .. The result we see ... Life may have become more fun, but somehow not very satisfying .. .
That is why, in the last parliamentary elections, even the eastern regions began to vote not only for the party of regions, but also for the nationalists. For nationalists, as for the latter who have not yet ruled Ukraine.
The situation under the current president’s reign will not go astray. That means he won’t shine in the new elections. And the boxer Klitschko will be chosen. Here he will kill today's Ukraine with his sledgehammer-like blow.
The western part (propolian) will become one country, the eastern (pro-Russian) another, Crimea (I think by that time the Tatar diaspora will even more strengthen), perhaps it will become the third country ...
Naturally, initially, Klitschko will create a new state out of three existing, like the CIS of Ukraine, and only then the parts will leave the structure and a handful of small Ukraine will appear on the map, completely helpless, struggling and not really needed ...
Further, the poor countries will ask for someone under their wing, at the regional level no more ... East to Russia, West to Poland, Crimea to Turkey or Russia ..

[Vovka levka]

Quote: domokl

Quote: djon3volta

what exactly will happen? give a specific scenario

Well, if you so want to find out everything, I will tell you the script.
For more than 20-year history, the people of Ukraine elected different presidents and the Rada, made a revolution, stood for months at rallies and other, other, other .. The result we see ... Life may have become more fun, but somehow not very satisfying .. .
That is why, in the last parliamentary elections, even the eastern regions began to vote not only for the party of regions, but also for the nationalists. For nationalists, as for the latter who have not yet ruled Ukraine.
The situation under the current president’s reign will not go astray. That means he won’t shine in the new elections. And the boxer Klitschko will be chosen. Here he will kill today's Ukraine with his sledgehammer-like blow.
The western part (propolian) will become one country, the eastern (pro-Russian) another, Crimea (I think by that time the Tatar diaspora will even more strengthen), perhaps it will become the third country ...
Naturally, initially, Klitschko will create a new state out of three existing, like the CIS of Ukraine, and only then the parts will leave the structure and a handful of small Ukraine will appear on the map, completely helpless, struggling and not really needed ...
Further, the poor countries will ask for someone under their wing, at the regional level no more ... East to Russia, West to Poland, Crimea to Turkey or Russia ..

Do not write nonsense.
What is shown on TV, written in newspapers and on the Internet has nothing to do with real life in Ukraine. Well, people want "fried facts" to read and watch them. So they write all sorts of nonsense. If you are interested in what is happening in Ukraine, travel all over Ukraine and draw your own conclusions for yourself.

[Curculum]

Quote: Vovka Levka

If you are interested in what is happening in Ukraine, travel all over Ukraine and draw your own conclusions.

Mother lives in the Kirovograd region, often in Odessa, Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk and, naturally, in Kiev, with many constantly in touch by any means of telecommunication: I see hopelessness, unfortunately. Some classmates, who were more or less successful 10 years ago, began to drink the bitter and are going to dump from their homes. The most important thing is that good experts in mining and other professions (without exaggeration, golden hands) have been dumped for a long time and do not regret a single drop, some received Russian citizenship and settled in the Russian Federation. My opinion may be subjective, but everyone observes what they can see, and the quality of vision does not play a last role in this case.

[domokl]

Quote: Vovka Levka

What is shown on TV is written in newspapers and on the Internet has nothing to do with real life that exists in Ukraine.

Maybe it doesn’t have anything in common, only who elects the presidents in Ukraine and the Rada then? What kind of aliens are coming to you?
In general, to be honest, Ukraine got it with its problems and brotherhood ... I recall that the older one was smart, the middle one was not that way, the younger one was ...
You live as you want, Having talked on the website with the Ukrainians, I began to understand-Ukraine, in its current form, is an enemy, terrible because it is like mold .. and creeps slowly and is difficult to destroy.

[alexanderrus.]

This is how it really is. And "the water is muddied" by the same "devils" as in Russia.

[taseka]

Quote: alexander rus.

And "the water is muddied" by the same "devils" as in Russia.

Bender rats are there, in Russia, broods of policemen - stirs up freaks on the subconscious !!!

[ramzes1776]

Quote: alexander rus.

This is how it really is. And "the water is muddied" by the same "devils" as in Russia.

What can we talk about at all, if you look at how the Germans were met in Lvov in 1941.

[ramzes1776]

And these are the grandfathers of those who are now in power in Lviv.

[MG42]

Quote: domokl

Klitschko will create a new state out of three existing, like the CIS of Ukraine, and only then the parts will leave the composition and a handful of small Ukraine will appear on the map

Does Klitschko have a chance and who will support him? In addition to sports popularity as a politician, he is still green >>>>
The authorities planned another scenario, Yanukovych will be elected for a second term (presidential elections can be adopted in parliament by a controlled majority, they will amend the constitution and approve through the pocket actually the Constitutional Court), then his son will rule. Rada will be dispersed through a referendum; there will be a 2-chamber parliament in the lower house, majority voters will be in the lower house, and the governors in the upper house, preparations for the referendum have already begun by the CEC.

[bootlegger]

It seems to me that you underestimate Yanukovych. He is still able to surprise everyone. He will not simply give up power to some Klitschko. Yanukovych perfectly understands what awaits him if he loses the next election and fights until the last ...

[MG42]

Quote: bootlegger

Yanukovych perfectly understands what awaits him if he loses the next election and fights until the last

If he planned to give up power in "fair elections", then he did not invest in Mizhgirya, mistakes when he lost have already been taken into account, and he has a bunch of advisers and even bought them from the former opposition >>>
here is a photo of the interior of one of the halls of Mizhgirya - his country residence near Kiev >>> one chandelier about 60 thousand US dollars

[Axel]

Quote: bootlegger

It seems to me that you underestimate Yanukovych. He is still able to surprise everyone. He will not simply give up power to some Klitschko. Yanukovych perfectly understands what awaits him if he loses the next election and fights until the last ...

Two variants of Yanyk will plant the second option, give an order to shoot at people.
After his tricks, there’s nowhere to run, not Russia and the West will not accept him
In Mizhhiria, I equipped myself with a headquarters for Al Werewolf, which is guarded by the military and air defense with the S-300 complex

[MG42]

Quote: Axel

In Mizhhiria, I equipped myself with a headquarters for Al Werewolf, which is guarded by the military and air defense with the S-300 complex

I also heard about air defense, I'll post a video, there was a story like this >>>
Here Yanukovych himself conducts a tour for journalists in his house >>>

Of course not quite new = classic about hemp, a lot of laughter from this ..

[MG42]

Here is a video about air defense covering the peaceful sky over the head of our guarantor, though in Ukrainian. language, but the plot is interesting >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I1ml7hoAsg

[Scythian 35]

nothing special, the little rooms are small, and the cabinet is finally just a corner.

[Uncle lee]

Yeah ... Prospects are not pleasant. The principle of divide and conquer continues to operate.

[Andrey from Tver]

They took Russian brigades of the police fields!

[Reasonable, 2,3]

There will be no few Ukraine-Russia such a scenario will not allow.

[domokl]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

Russia will not allow such a scenario

What is your assumption based on? You don’t need about brotherhood ... Ukraine Russia needs eastern (industry and Crimea (a convenient military port of Sevastopol ... Western one can completely sacrifice ... The presence of two completely different regions makes Ukraine a barrel of gunpowder, which it can explode at any moment. And deprives it of stability at all, under any president.

[Reasonable, 2,3]

And this is unprofitable for anyone except the United States, even the geyrop, and especially now.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

There will be no few Ukraine-Russia such a scenario will not allow.

here I am of the same opinion. the Kremlin is still in control of the situation, and it won’t reach the citizen. They will hold meetings and disperse.

[El13]

If the Kremlin controlled the situation, then Ukraine would already be in the CU ...

[vladsolo56]

And what an incomprehensible section will happen, and may be power. Since, for example, western Ukraine will most likely want to take control of the eastern one. Of course the idea is crazy, but isn’t that all that is happening now in western Ukraine?

[Scythian 35]

Sorry, but you write complete nonsense. Information for such people far from everything !!! At the given moment, 90%, or even more, of the heads of regional departments of police, prosecutors, SBU, heads of administrations, etc. (including in Western Ukraine) are immigrants from the Lugansk or Donetsk region, as you everywhere in St. Petersburg, only more global scales. And now please explain to me HOW AND WHO WESTERN UKRAINE CAN TAKE CONTROL OVER EASTERN. Only please without delirium and all sorts of thoughts and quotes from ORT.

[Curculum]

Quote: Scythian 35

At the given moment, 90%, or even more, of the heads of regional departments of police, prosecutors, SBU, heads of administrations, etc.

"Where did the fireballs come from?" "Only please, without delirium and all kinds of reflections and quotes from the 5th channel.

[Scythian 35]

for the most intelligent, I live in Ukraine in the Chernihiv region. If the gyughl does not represent an insurmountable obstacle for you, then you can easily find out without wading the jungle who the regional prosecutor and the chief of the police department are.

[Aleks21]

This is a fact, even in our country (a town in TsetrUkraine - 50 thousand) for a year they removed all the locals and put the Donetsk people on - the prosecutor, the mentor, the tax chief (which was renamed). They fly in their jeeps - they tear money from all enterprises and private traders.

[Scythian 35]

They came not to work, they came to cut down the loot for the family, and they came for a long time, and they are not going to give power to anyone. What is most insulting is that Vitek the protege and the six of Moscow, and the citizens of the Russians are outraged by what kind of kazla the residents of Ukraine elected as president !!!

[ia-ai00]

What kind of riddles, try to think LOGICAL ... and see the result! It's like in a puzzle or a rebus, you have to "turn on" LOGIC!

[zvereok]

Quote: djon3volta

Quote: vladsolo56
everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the separation will take place completely.

What exactly will happen? Give a specific scenario, and don’t beat around the bush.
there will be two Ukraine or what? what will be, can you clearly and completely state your idea? or is it all veiled, in riddles, hints, interest

First, Yugoslavia wakes up, and maybe in the future, and "Greater Romania".

[radar75]

Yes, there will be no. There will be peace, tranquility and economic growth. Only PR will not. These are really dumb earcaps and bandits. They got everyone - west, east, north, and south.

[Yars]

with such creatures as "freedom" there will be no peace in Ukraine

[brelok]

Quote: djon3volta

Quote: vladsolo56

everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the separation will take place completely.

What exactly will happen? Give a specific scenario, and don’t beat around the bush.
there will be two Ukraine or what? what will be, can you clearly and completely state your idea? or is it all veiled, in riddles, hints, interest

Variant of 1920 is not excluded. Panes are near. Slaves are fighting, the land is in danger. It is interesting how many of them got out! Like they cleared.

[super-vitek]

The following will happen. Romania, Poland and maybe Slovakia, if they want, although I don't think they will seize Transcarpathia and Prykarpattya. They have been aiming for this for a very long time, although the population of these regions of Ukraine 50/50 wants such "independence" !!! Of course, Russia will not stay in side and will take possession of most of eastern Ukraine. BUT !!! If this, God forbid, happens, such a thing as Slavic culture will lose its meaning, and over time it will transform to unrecognizability! And of course, not about what free Ukraine can not be discussed , because the countries that have buried themselves on it from time immemorial have seen Ukraine just as an appendage that will supply manpower and raw materials. In fact, what is happening is simply awful, for me personally as a purebred Ukrainian it is a tragedy, I did not think that I would live to see this !!! Wake up brothers, any nationalistic, tolerast scum Pulls you into the gap!

[Alekseev]

Quote: djon3volta

what will be, can you clearly and completely state your idea? or is it all veiled

This, brother, is not for average minds!

[Containers]

There is such a work "The Age of the Dead". Even though it is artistic, i.e. fiction, but here's a finished script.

[Hudo]

In the presidential elections in Ukraine in 2010, for example, in the Donetsk region (one of the basic electoral regions for the party of regions)
And the tour
as of 20:00, the turnout was 69,66% (total, voting ended at 20:00)
II round
as of 20:00, the turnout was 76,98% (total, voting ended at 20:00)
http://ura.dn.ua/01.11.2010/102794.html

After this, the Party of Regions and Yanukovych twisted feints with his ears with misconceptions about the Banner of Victory and Russian as a regional language. Woz, as expected, to the delight of the Galician Nazis and Russophobes, remained in place. In addition, Yanuk did everything possible to ensure that all the tricks of the Nazis went unpunished.

RESULTS: Voter turnout (Donetsk region) in the parliamentary elections (2012) amounted to 59,72%. (Not without annotations)

Further, after the Galician-fascists came to parliament, Victor didn’t calm down and became a geyrointegrator, well, oooh, he really wants to be a geyropu (which his voters certainly didn’t order him)

So in the presidential election in 2015, Yanuka is waiting for a whistling flight.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Hudo

So in the presidential election in 2015, Yanuka is waiting for a whistling flight.

With subsequent relocation to prison

[Hudo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Hudo

So in the presidential election in 2015, Yanuka is waiting for a whistling flight.

With subsequent relocation to prison

There is infa that dad, Yanuca - during the Great Patriotic War was a "lover of good coffee" and an active lackey of the then European integrators - the German fascists.
And judging by how the Natsuki spill frolic with impunity, this infa has a basis for it. http://topsecretz.net/blog/politiks/437.html

[Dimka off]

I heard this not about Yanukovych, but about Yushchenko. And this infa, if I'm not mistaken, took place in the film "Orange Children of the Third Reich".

[Egoza]

Quote: Dimka off

I heard this not about Yanukovych but about Yushchenko.

This information is correct. And an investigation was carried out by journalists of the weekly "2000" and they dug a lot of things about "daddy"

[Drosselmeyer]

You are confused. Dad Yushchenko spoke about good coffee in Germany. On Yanyk, there is no information about the service on the Germans. Enough and two jail time in prison.

[domokl]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

With subsequent relocation to prison

Why should he go to jail? He will hesitate, pass a law on the safety of his beloved, and move to teach political science at an American university ... Along with Saakashvili ... Look, you have already forgotten about the role of Ukraine in the Russian-Georgian war ... Silence and grace. ..We don’t say, Ukrainians don’t remember ...

[igor67]

Quote: domokl

Quote: Alexander Romanov

With subsequent relocation to prison

Why should he go to jail? He will admonish, pass a law on the safety of his beloved and move to teach at an American university political science... Along with Saakashvili ... Look, we already forgot about the role of Ukraine in the Russian-Georgian war ... Quiet and grace ... We don’t say, Ukrainians don’t remember ...

You plus he will learn how to steal hats on the run, I was generally shocked how twice a convict could become president, his flocks were far from for politics

[domokl]

Quote: igor67

I was really shocked how a twice-convicted person could become president, his flocks were far from being politi

Rape under the USSR in modern Ukraine equates to political persecution So he's like a prisoner of conscience

[PSih2097]

Rape under the USSR in modern Ukraine equates to political persecution

it is interesting to know he was driven to the zone, "mashka", "dunka", because in the days of the USSR they did not stand on ceremony for such articles (Art. 117 of the Criminal Code) ...

[Mefodiy]

Quote: PSih2097

it is interesting to know he was driven to the zone, "mashka", "dunka", because in the days of the USSR they did not stand on ceremony for such articles (Art. 117 of the Criminal Code) ...

The cops told me that his poganyalovo was "HAM"

[Tartary]

Quote: Mefodiy

The cops told me that his poganyalovo was "HAM"

Oh-oh-oh, how romantic ... Looks like helluva lot from simple "dunyoks" was distinguished by passion and pressure ...

[Geisenberg]

Quote: vladsolo56

the division of Ukraine took place de facto.

Raised bloodsuckers on his neck. It’s purely my opinion - the sooner Ukraine gets rid of Bender’s regions, the faster it starts to live.

[Hudo]

Quote: Geisenberg

It’s purely my opinion - the sooner Ukraine gets rid of Bender’s regions, the faster it starts to live.

To get rid of the Banderastic regions, you can only close the cannibalistic State Department project "Ukraine". Having begun its existence (1991) with more than 52 million people, according to the 2001 census. --- 48,457 million people. The authorities are no longer eager to carry out the census - for it will become clear that it is time not to carry out the census, but to count the roll call, or to take into account the remnants of the people according to the Book of Evening Calibration.
Outskirts president leaves, and commands: "In order of numbers - CALCULATE", and, satisfied with the fruits of his labors in putting people in the graves, bows to the portrait of Adolf Aloizovich Schicklgruber.

[T-100]

It’s time to tear off the Crimea from them, as it once was an independent territorial division and leave Ukraine within its historical borders, then join the part where the population is pro-Russian, then pro-Western, let it die and don’t even pay attention to them and turn off the gas for them, light and do not trade, such shit should not be a pity. As the saying goes: A family has its black sheep. It’s better to make the Serbs named brothers than to call a brother a brother)))

[zennon]

T-100
Bravo! Better not write!

[Artmark]

Greetings. And what about ordinary people who are not in politics, who thinks how to feed their families? Have you thought? If something should happen, then everything will be empty with little blood!

[ZuluS]

Ha ha ha At first, you’ll reject Moscow from the Khachiks and Chechens, rejector of horseradish. Soon you will be cut instead of sheep on Red Square. To tear off the Crimea ... The rejection has not yet grown. Made laugh!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vladsolo56

only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence,

And the party of regions and Yanek himself no longer has influence on the country. The West of Ukraine openly spits on him and his party. The east of Ukraine also spits on Yanek, people live on their own. In fact, in Ukraine there is complete anarchy, more like anarchy, where the local princes essentially turned into such mini-presidents and pass laws in spite of Kiev.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the party of regions and Yanek himself no longer has influence on the country.

He in the very center weakly and listlessly affects something.

How many years have passed since Yushchenko left before:

Kiev, May 02 (New Region, Sergey Rulev) - A stand was opened in the Kiev Museum of the Great Patriotic War telling about the activities of Ukrainian nationalists from the OUN-UPA. The exposition “Ukrainian rebel army: the history of the disobedient” was opened in 2007 in accordance with the decree of President Viktor Yushchenko on the occasion of the 65th anniversary of the creation of the UPA.

“I can say that after the arrival of the new president, Viktor Yanukovych, we turned to many veteran organizations, consulted with them with a request that they remove the hall with a kind of“ military glory ”of the people you mentioned. I see that both the authorities and the museum management have listened, and today we do not see such people, ”said Vadim Kolesnichenko, deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, to the“ New Region ”.

http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/437203.html

From 1 min. 04 sec.

[Phoenix-D]

We are waiting for the division of Ukraine not only according to ideological preferences, but also along political borders.
I believe that the Republic of Crimea, the Donbass Federal Republic, Transcarpathia, ZAPUKR - the Western Ukrainian Republic (Galicia), and actually central Ukraine will become independent.

[Hudo]

Quote: Phoenix-D

ZAPUKR - West Ukrainian Republic (Galicia),

Don't you think that instead of using the term "ZAPUKR", it would be more accurate to use the term Galytsai-Volyn National District, abbreviated according to the first letters - G A V N O? Your other statements, personally from me, do not cause objections.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: Hudo

Quote: Phoenix-D

ZAPUKR - West Ukrainian Republic (Galicia),

Don't you think that instead of using the term "ZAPUKR", it would be more accurate to use the term Galytsai-Volyn National District, abbreviated according to the first letters - G A V N O? Your other statements, personally from me, do not cause objections.

And we will call residents of the Moscow region Ch M O (Man of the Moscow Region)

[Hudo]

Quote: Mefodiy

Quote: Hudo

Quote: Phoenix-D

ZAPUKR - West Ukrainian Republic (Galicia),

Don't you think that instead of using the term "ZAPUKR", it would be more accurate to use the term Galytsai-Volyn National District, abbreviated according to the first letters - G A V N O? Your other statements, personally from me, do not cause objections.

And we will call residents of the Moscow region Ch M O (Man of the Moscow Region)

Nothing will come of it. How many lichen Galitsai jackal do not feed, the Russian bear is still thicker!

[smile]

Mefodiy
Yes, do not be offended ... they don’t take offense at the Ukrainians, but over the brainless Bondera geeks ... the dregs of the Ukrainian people that poison the lives of both you and us ... more to you ...

[Baboon]

You know, I myself live in Moscow, and sometimes I call my friends, from the Moscow region, as a joke, in response, they also say something to me, it's a joke. Do not turn a local joke into an insult.

[korm-yurii]

But how are you Methodius, will you go to work after 15?

[Dimka off]

the main thing is that the separation takes place without bloodshed. Ato, the Nazis can try to start a civil war. And there will be involved and larger forces.

[Hudo]

Quote: Dimka off

the main thing is that the separation takes place without bloodshed. Ato, the Nazis can try to start a civil war. And there will be involved and larger forces.

A divorce according to the Czechoslovak soft scenario is not possible, but the Yugoslav scenario is very likely. Both in Yugoslavia and in the Outskirts, low-uterine mutants of the Austro-Hungarian selection (Croats and Galitsai) will not be tempted to arrange a bloody storm.

[Vladimir 70]

the main thing is that the separation takes place without bloodshed. Ato, the Nazis can try to start a civil war. And there will be involved and larger forces.

But without bloodshed is unlikely to do. European people will do everything to organize a civil war

[RU_PATRIOT]

Yes, for ten years now you have been waiting and dreaming that Ukraine would wash itself in the blood of a civil war, and everything will not be divided. And new generations brought up in a national spirit grow and replace old-timers-scoops.

[Blackky]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

raised in a national spirit are growing

And riding on a boar, a petka leaves urkaina.

[smile]

RU_PATRIOT
Well, why do we need a massacre in Ukraine? What dreams ... do not judge by yourself ... and we sympathize with the Ukrainians - indeed, you have enough Bandera ub..kov. who are trying to drive Ukraine into the trash ... and so they have put the Ukrainian economy on the brink of an abyss - it’s not enough for them .... idietten ... your joy is that more and more young people are appearing, who instead of brains have liquid Bandera soup on ersatzsala akin to joy a cancer patient happily watching how metastases grow .... Ukrainians feel sorry for them, looking at people like you ...

[RU_PATRIOT]

Compassion for yourself

Russia loses to Ukraine in terms of living
Compared the standard of living in Russia with Ukraine, the conclusion is clear
“Several articles touched upon the subject of the subsistence minimum and average expenses in these two states. Now we can say unequivocally that the standard of living in Ukraine is higher than in Russia, but with the only amendment that we will exclude Moscow and St. Petersburg .. . "

http://www.gazeta.ru/money/2013/04/23_e_5277853.shtml

[karbofos]

RU_PATRIOT about a higher standard of living in Ukraine can be more detailed? neighing hunt

[RU_PATRIOT]

Don't have enough brains to copy-paste the link to go to the article into the browser line? It's even a shame to laugh at such "intellectuals".

[ZuluS]

Have pity on yourself and sympathize with yourself! Everything in Nenko by the way! We’ll plant a boor, we will evict Putin’s licking and 80 percent of the problems will go away on their own!

[radar75]

Dreams, dreams, where is your joy. Dreams are gone - disgusting remains ... Chuvache, ask RUN in Google. Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists. These are the guys from the east and south of Ukraine. They will tell you about separation.
Although, you probably get paid for this.

[Hudo]

Quote: radar75

Chuvache, ask RUN in Google

You are your low uterine grip and poking, leave for your sexual partners in the combat hopak, who apparently already have overdone you.

Quote: radar75

Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists. These are the guys from the east and south of Ukraine. They will tell you about separation.

Do not indulge yourself with illusions about a shkololo who has not yet been flogged by his parents, whose "exploits" are just dung for the growth of the political career of some uncle.

Quote: radar75

Although, you probably get paid for this.

(FU, poking again) Poked, do not attribute your dirty qualities to others.

[ZuluS]

I could never understand such organisms, tsuka, it lives in Ukraine and is waiting for its separation! Go work, read books, translate grandmothers across the roads, do something useful ...

[TUMAN]

Quote: vladsolo56

Legally, as long as everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses its influence, separation will be final.

You are a little wrong, RyGynaly created "Svoboda", and it was financed by the Chabadnik Kolomoisky. What do you think for what? At a certain moment, they have to play their role, as at the moment they play their role, released by Lutsenko, and Tymoshenko is also destined for a role in this game of dividing Ukraine. The chess game seems to have begun, and the pieces began to play actively. After all, even with the "orange" shoble, this was not the case. Everything indicates that the division of Ukraine is inevitable and is being implemented.

[xan]

Quote: TUMAN

The chess game seems to have begun, and the pieces actively began the game.

Kremlin would not spoil

[Vovka levka]

Quote: vladsolo56

the division of Ukraine took place de facto. The authorities are trying to reconcile the incompatible. Legally, while everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the division will take place completely. The only question is how, peacefully or not. Judging by the sentiments of western Ukraine, most likely not very much. It seems to me that the eastern regions should not turn away, but prepare for a similar scenario.

Do not write nonsense.
What is shown on TV, written in newspapers and on the Internet has nothing to do with real life in Ukraine. Well, people want "fried facts" to read and watch them. So they write all sorts of nonsense. If you are interested in what is happening in Ukraine, travel all over Ukraine and draw your own conclusions for yourself.

[ia-ai00]

Even in Soviet times in Western Ukraine travel It was dangerous, especially under its own power between cities. There could meet "partisans" who are now persecuting WWII veterans and counting policemen and fascists heroes.

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ia-ai00

Even in Soviet times in Western Ukraine travel It was dangerous, especially under its own power between cities. There could meet "partisans" who are now persecuting WWII veterans and counting policemen and fascists heroes.

It is you, dear tales, who are rolling out that they have no contact with real life.

[RU_PATRIOT]

there is nothing to go to these Westerners who mow under Europe, they build houses for themselves. Better in the Dagestan Zindan, a slave to the gardens, they at least hate the United States too.

[ia-ai00]

I didn’t go there or go! I just have to admire the beauties of Kazakhstan and Russia. Although my father was Ukrainian, in Soviet times he was indignant at the political activities of Ukraine!

[RU_PATRIOT]

Well, well, if they would have dumped from Ukraine all the champions of the Russian world to admire the beauties of Kazakhstan, Russia and other EVRAZES. Build your own Asian paradise, study and replicate your historical fables and horror stories and do not interfere with the development of normal people.

[ia-ai00]

In "fables" you cannot be surpassed!

[Technocrat]

I don’t know about your father, but my father-in-law left Kazakhstan at the beginning of 2000 to the question “why”, followed by a short and clear answer - the local population.
I am an ardent supporter of the revival of the Russian state, but this time without you Kazakhs and your kind.

[tommy1984]

"I am an ardent supporter of the revival of the Russian state"

Yes, this is especially visible on your flag.

"this time without you Kazakhs and others like you"

so how did the Kazakhs prevent the revival of the Great Power?
Kazakhstan today is perhaps the last country on the former scoop, which has no special problems with Russia. And without good friends in the neighborhood, you will revive great power for a long time.

[Scythian 35]

and what kind of "political activity" in Ukraine your father was indignant at in Soviet times. The first time I hear about this !!!

[smile]

RU_PATRIOT
Are you talking about those morons. that they destroyed the industry built by the entire Soviet Union, nailed their agriculture, which they were so proud of earlier and joyfully motivating guest workers to Europe, like unfortunate Tajiks to us? This is the ideal of life that you want for the whole of Ukraine? You have a strange psychology ... slavish ... even more strange that you are proud of it .... a nasty sight .... it looks like a patient with a venereal disease. dreaming not to recover, but to infect the normal members of his society with the same thing ...

[Piran]

My uncle served in those parts for an urgent 2 years at the very border in the late 60s. To go out one at a time to a city or a village, he told me, never! They kept watch at all times, as if in occupied territory. My grandmother, his mother, went there on his vacation to him. She said that there were several Magyar villages nearby and the people there were angry. Very malicious comrades.

[RU_PATRIOT]

So he was in the occupied territory.

[smile]

Vovka levka
What are you doing ... travel ... a significant part of those here in Ukraine have relatives, so we know first-hand what is going on there

[Vovka levka]

Quote: smile

Vovka levka
What are you doing ... travel ... a significant part of those here in Ukraine have relatives, so we know first-hand what is going on there

The Slavs have a tradition of crying and telling how bad things are, especially to relatives.

[rolik]

Well, let’s say, an independent one will be divided into 2 parts. And what will the Westerners get? Hot hugs of Romania? And what will they gain? Is it possible to live as a member of a rogue state with big advantages? In this case, they will lose grain and industrial regions. But the Easterners, for sure, will lose a minimum. But this is when viewed from a practical point of view. And the reality of life is such that the loss of part of the territory is the loss of a country's rating in the world. Acknowledgment that your country is a rotten rag. Which any flea tusik can break. And in this context, visions of this situation, the Ukrainian authorities have to make very tough decisions. Maybe even similar to ours in Chechnya. By force, return to the framework of the state the overgrown zapadentsev. And what this will mean is clear to everyone. Because the time of persuasion is long gone, the time has come for action. I am writing this not with gloating, but as an observer. Because to me, to be honest, absolutely exactly on their hemorrhoids. The main thing is that this does not affect my country. And because from the neighbors, except th .... on, recently, nothing has come to us. And on May 9, I can say that this Zapadenskaya PAD ... L will do everything to once again .... be in history. And this is not even surprising, since these genetic scum are simply not capable of anything else.

[nok01]

Nobody will give half of the country to the "zapadents" ... and the radical-minded there is a small percentage, although this is only for now. Nationalist parties persistently promote their ideals and principles, and most importantly, they start doing this from schools!

[Corsair]

Quote: vladsolo56

Legally, as long as everything rests only on the Party of Regions, as soon as it loses influence, the separation will take place completely. The only question is how, peacefully or not.

Nothing holds on to the PR, it is plunged into corruption and property scandals. The Eastern regions, the Center and the Crimea have lost faith in the empty promises of Yanuponchik, who is engaged in ransacking his own country, flirting with the West and Moscow, instead of working for his people. Yanek as a political figure is not needed neither the East nor the West of Ukraine. Long before the end of his presidential term, he became a "lame duck"

[wow]

Zapadenskoe !!! I hate these creatures !!!

[Yoshkin Kot]

I love Ukraine so much that I want more of them (s) Svidomo Cat Leopold

[GreatRussia]

The western regions of Ukraine seriously intend to declare May 9 a day of mourning. Moreover, the relevant bills have already been adopted by the Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk city councils. According to these documents, festive processions are forbidden on Victory Day, as well as the use of symbols of the Soviet era, including the red flag and military orders of veterans. Such a decision of the local authorities (which, by the way, are mostly represented by “Svobodovites”) causes misunderstanding and bewilderment, because according to Ukrainian legislation the May 9 holiday is recognized as an official state holiday. Obviously, Ukrainian laws mean nothing to neo-fascists.

Isn't it time to make a roll-call list of this trash?

[Captain Vrungel]

Federalization is needed. Please note, Most of all they scream about independent Ukraine, those who were not Ukraine, but were hired by someone. Those who cry abroad before the age of 39 were the most crying out about the Holodomor. Most of all, those who scream about the purity of the nation are those whose blood is already mixed from blond northerners to black Hungarian gypsies. But the worst thing is that this minuscule of crooks, who kept the people in fear during the war, again climbed out of the caches and again terrorized the people. What to do? Comply with international laws. Penal Code to comply. If there is no strength, desire and ability to fight against neo-fascism, historically we will ask the neighbors to cleanse the land of this evil. Who cursed Ukraine as a state. Already presented on a silver platter. Nate, take it. Independent and independent. And what is the result. The hetmans traditionally crossed ... and showed that the term Nezalezhnaya and Samostiina did not take root, historically.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

If there is no strength, desire and ability to fight against neo-fascism, historically we will ask the neighbors to cleanse the land of this evil.

Historically, the last time Bogdan Khmelnitsky cleared his land of the then Nazis along with the Polish occupiers. Russia then was only after the turmoil and was not ready for the requests of Khmelnitsky. But it was very bad, unbearable in Little Russia.

[Hleb]

everyone fights to the best of their ability_

[Hudo]

Quote: GreatRussia

Isn't it time to make a roll-call list of this trash?

It has long been time for the defendants on this list to be taken out of the parapet, and allowed into consumption.

[queen]

They themselves want a split, and these dogs work out their rations. And we can soon start a war, that's just a matter of time, but how would this not be desirable.

[Dimka off]

nothing help in the war. There are still many normal people in Ukraine.

[queen]

Quote: Dimka off

There are still a lot of normal people in Ukraine

No ... again no ... fight against and for your people ....

[omsbon]

Three times right A.V. Suvorov "A forest that has not been cut down is growing!" We regretted at one time the Bandera coves, now we have what we have. I hope that the central government in Ukraine will cancel the delusional decisions.

[Hleb]

me and 2011 remember well

[djon3volta]

maybe that's why they don’t let her out?

[MG42]

Quote: djon3volta

maybe that's why they don’t let her out?

The network has a drawing of Hitler with a scythe like Tymoshenko’s head Tymoshenko = inherently destructive (however, for Russia, with her direct participation, a most profitable gas contract was signed, and extremely unprofitable for Ukraine), >>> but where will Yanukovych lead the country?

[Vladimirets]

Yes, this abomination must be destroyed, like a cancer tumor, surgically.

[donchepano]

Quote: Vladimirets

Yes, this abomination must be destroyed, like a cancer tumor, surgically.

Which one? Julia Kapitelmansha?

[Marat]

I am ashamed to live with such scum in one country !!!

[Blackky]

Suitcase-station-Pyongyang. You will live there in a socialist paradise, eating grass.

[queen]

Quote: Marat

I am ashamed to live with such scum in one country !!!

We lived in the same Country, and there were no these scum ... + huge to you, thank you.

[Blackky]

Quote: regin

and there were no these scum

They disguised themselves.

[queen]

Quote: Blackky

Quote: regin

and there were no these scum

They disguised themselves.

No, they didn’t exist. There wasn’t at all ... and there were no offended benderlogs either ... creating a negative that contradicts the truth is not difficult, and driving people into the mind absolutely not understanding that we are united as a nation and born under Pepsi. ..easy ... two or three years, and we will have a citizen, and who said that we will have an Olympics? One major terrorist attack near Sochi, everyone who participated was lathering money ... and the facilities were already built in South Korea ...

[Shawnee]

I am ashamed to live with such scum in one country !!!

Better to live humanly.

otherwise many have a memory loss. Well, let me remind you.

[RU_PATRIOT]

Lviv provocation through the eyes of an eyewitness

en_indeec
May 9, 2011
I am not interested in politics, but still I can’t help but write about what I witnessed today near the Lviv Hill of Glory. Sorry, did not take the camera.

So, walking along Lychakivskaya, I saw a large group of people with red and Russian flags, banners, posters.
I, of course, read that the action of the pro-Russian party "Russian Unity" will either take place in Lvov, or will not take place ... everything was confused there. Well, I think we have arrived.

I hoped that Lviv people would have enough sobriety not to succumb to the provocations of PR people who are greedy for other people's attention, but when I saw what the "protesters" learned, my hope disappeared.

They, as if on command, suddenly began to shout slogans insulting local residents. And, mind you, the slogans are not political, but insulting people on a national basis. Most of all I remembered "khokhly-bugger! This victory is ours!", "Death to Galicia!" ... there were others.

Of course, after a couple of minutes a scuffle ensued. Since the numerical superiority was, of course, not on the side of the provocateurs, they had to run away. And then shots came from them.

Now, going to news sites, I see spreading "noodles" in the form of hundreds of news that claim that peaceful demonstrators peacefully carried wreaths to the eternal flame, and suddenly, for no reason at all, they were attacked by Lviv fascists. Or, the news that Bendera attacked a demonstration of veterans and beat them; and tons of cranberry noodles.

I think that in any city, if you go loudly shouting curses at his population, then this will not end in good. What is the peculiarity of Lviv, which they are now trying to set up as an outpost of fascism?

Such a well-thought-out, and essentially a win-win provocation.

The goals of its organizers are interesting. She certainly will not add love to the Russians, and the West and the East will not unite.
The purpose of the action, I believe, can only be the fomentation of an interethnic conflict, or the PR of your party against this background.

The representative of the pro-Russian party that organized the provocation, before holding the march, claimed that his goal was to protect the rights of Russians living in Lviv.

Well, special thanks to him for protecting my rights. For example, I don’t know the Ukrainian language, just as I don’t know whether the city residents will now want to answer me in Russian.

[queen]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

The purpose of the action, I think, can only be the fomentation of ethnic conflict

I don’t think that you and I are the reason for this, they are enraged by the fact that we made them people.

[ZuluS]

Hahaha! Maybe they just don’t realize that you did something with them. Fuck, gum is resting!

[Curculum]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

Sorry, did not take the camera

Damn, and in the mobile, the camera was gum stuck - it was too lazy to rip off. Yes, and what I came and went to watch - I don’t know.
This is always the case with such scribblers: either a deaf shark is caught, or a whistle is broken.

[El13]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

... Of course, after a couple of minutes a scuffle ensued. Since the numerical superiority was, of course, not on the side of the provocateurs, they had to run away ...

Here comes a demonstration - a crowd of people, and then from the bushes two minutes later the numerically superior local population at once ... well, rare passers-by organized themselves and rebuffed the provocateurs ... such a lively picture.
Provocation is your post, dear.

[Garrin]

Quote: El13

Provocation is your post, dear.

And small and nasty. Like, defecate under the door of a neighbor.

[Trailer]

In principle, if nationalists go against the law, then they need to be arrested? If they do not agree with the outcome of the war, then they must return their territories to Poland and others. And they themselves must self-destruct, because according to the unwritten results of the war they should have been erased according to the OST plan.

[queen]

Quote: Karavan

if nationalists go against the law

And now they call it crap, and the independence (the word is like a woman lying around anywhere) insanity grows stronger, only the prevention of lobotomy. It’s cruel, but it’s not genocide

[Tatar]

I agree, the government itself violates the law. as if this is not new, but if contrary to the official cue, then it is possible in a boiler with burning resin. and where does DERMOcratic Europe look?

[DmitriRazumov]

Quote: Tatar

and where does DERMOcratic Europe look?

Such a policy has been characteristic of Europe for many centuries. They are afraid and do not understand Russia in the West, so even to the detriment of themselves they constantly create the so-called Europe around Europe. sanitary cordons. It was even under Ivan the Terrible. The kings of Denmark and Sweden wrote letters to Elizabeth, in which they strongly advised against the admission of doctors, pharmacists and other service people to Russia, and even prevented private visits of people at the borders. In the period before 1 MV, the manifestation of such an attitude became especially characteristic. Europe essentially raised Hitler and his party to confront the East with the wrong hands. Then they pushed the Nazis to the USSR, giving them without a single shot the Rhine region, Saarland, Austria, Czechoslovakia and having concluded a separate peace with Hitler in Munich long before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. At the present stage, almost the same thing is being done, the most unbridled Nazi regimes in Ukraine, the Baltic States and others are being nurtured and encouraged. In this way, EU countries violate not only their own and international laws, but also the provisions of the Nuremberg process, at which all Nazi and collaborationist laws were clearly decided. (OUN-UPA, etc.) with them, organizations are considered criminal.

[Kaa]

Quote: Karavan

if nationalists go against the law - then they need to be arrested?

WHAT FOR? THEY ARE AUTHORITIES OX HOW HOW TO NEED ... AFTER A YEAR AND A half. There will be just new presidential elections, neither the opposition nor the authorities have anything to boast about in the economy. In politics ... does Ukraine really have its own foreign policy? But in the inside, Natsik will come in handy, they will frighten voters with them, and they will protect them ... for the right time!

[queen]

Quote: Kaa

there will be new presidential elections, neither the opposition nor the authorities have anything to boast about in the economy

If Timokha comes out, the end of Ukraine ... that’s what’s going on ... they will have a citizen ... and will cover us.

[GreatRussia]

Moreover, the logic of decisions taken by regional authorities is rather difficult to understand. After all, according to the same Melnichuk, Lviv how a European city should adhere to the European practice of honoring the dead in the second world war. But at the same time, it is he who proposes to declare days of mourning not only 9th, but also 8th May, that is, the day when all of Europe celebrates victory over fascist Germany ...

Well? And where are all the angry condemnations, indignation on the part of the TALVED geyropa (a rhetorical question, the answer is already obvious)?

[queen]

Quote: GreatRussia

indignation on the part of the henna geyrope

The entire geyropa is sitting under other fascist followers from across the ocean.

[Egoza]

“According to the tradition established by the“ creative intelligentsia, ”the last few years, May 9, has been declared in three regions of Ukraine“ a day of mourning for the victims of the communist regime. ”
This time, Lviv authorities (apparently sexual) authorities decided to ban Soviet and fascist symbols in the region. When the racially correct Galician sees the coat of arms of the Soviet Union, the Banner of Victory, he begins to cramp. Nervous breakdowns and diarrhea are a typical reaction of tolerant residents of Lviv to the symbols of a “totalitarian past”. Therefore, they must be immediately banned. They always do. Do you like Russian music on FM stations? Deny. A law on regional languages ​​adopted? On the territory of a racially correct region, he should not act. Someone called the girl Masha? Provided prolonged tantrum with indicative salivation. No one dares to insult the genetic feelings of true Ukrainian patriots. They lived their whole life in occupation.
Therefore, according to the Galician version of history, on May 9, the Nazis lost the war to the Stalin's minions, thereby condemning independent Galicia to new slavery. That is precisely why May 9, the Great Victory Day over fascism, Lviv people light candles, mourn the Germans-liberators and recall the “heroic struggle” of soldiers from caches for freedom of the nation. They constantly masturbate with shouts of "glory to the heroes!" and try to spit in the face of veterans of the Great Patriotic War.

Even a few red carnations can cause fierce hatred among the inhabitants of the most intelligent and dirtiest “metropolis” of the country. I'm not talking about the St. George ribbon, which leads them into real ecstasy. As a result, Galichina is the birthplace of Ukrainian fascism. The ban on the symbolism of the "Great Reich", which is perceived by a significant part of the population of the western regions as a historical ally in the fight against the "Soviet occupation", should not deceive anyone. Imagine that young people of a characteristic “Svobodovskoy” appearance (sort of faces of Galich nationality) dressed in SS uniform will take to the street. ” Read the full article here - http://www.versii.com/news/278228/

And here is the reaction of people on the forum
Contemporary (April 30, 06:34)
One word creature.

Dumb (April 30, 09:49)
guys, you won’t believe, there are normal people in Lviv. for example, I =)
not all fascists, there is an intelligentsia who does not like Nazism, there is a small Russian-speaking population. You can’t put us all under one comb. Although, when I hung around Europe, I was ashamed to admit where I came from, because it is really about Lviv Nazism and the Bandera monument , they know everything. Especially if you remember about the broken diyiziya SS Galichina, which the Germans threw into Slovakia as punishers. About this fact, the old people remember.
Xxx
Anna_Kharkov (April 30, 09:34)
"The governor of the Kharkiv region noted that the participants in the Vishyvanka parade would be quite suitable for the gay pride parade," he said on his Twitter page.

"A parade of embroidered shirts in honor of the SS Galicia division. Here is a ready-made column for participation in the gay parade," Dobkin writes. "At the same time, the governor calls on all Kharkiv citizens to come to the parade on Svoboda Square on May 9.

"And in Kharkov on May 9, a military parade in honor of the Great Victory will take place! Come at 10 am to Svoboda Square and together we will say - THANKS TO THE FATHER FOR VICTORY!"


gost 02.05.2013/18/33, XNUMX:XNUMX
The Galichan cattle-boat is called a bastard, - the dumb banderlogs of the tyneboki will not help you- Ghouls and pharyons, dig caches as quickly as possible- We’ll insert the pitchfork where you always have diarrhea - We’ll turn four times so that the hole is wider- And screaming run to hell-home

[Kaa]

Quote: Egoza

they must be banned immediately. They always have

"Balagan called" Get up, Ukraine! " continues his tour of the cities of the western regions.Over the past few days he visited the regional centers of Chernivtsi, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, where he met with three main political actors - Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Vitaly Klitschko and Oleg Tyagnybok - managed to collect 3-5 thousand spectators. About half of them are stage and entourage stars, relatives and acquaintances of local political activists, disguised employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine, as well as student extras hired for the money. On the same rally in Lviv, students' services cost the opposition one hundred hryvnias from the nose. It seems that in other cities of Western Ukraine hired "protesters" cost her no more. So for just 10-15 thousand euros, she can gather a very decent crowd of young people who are passionately shocking with party banners and anti-government slogans. And although the action "Get up, Ukraine!" declared as part of the plan to “overthrow the regime”, although its main showmen promise the audience a spectacle of power running in a panic, it is exclusively peaceful. It must be assumed that the Ukrainian opposition is not going to overthrow anything. Because any real revolution is not an easy change of actors, it is a change of the ruling system. So the Ukrainian opposition does not want to change the current Ukrainian System, it just wants to lead it. In fact, the action “Get up, Ukraine!” conceived as a repetition of the action of the same name a decade ago. Conceived exclusively as a pre-election show with the goal of promoting future opposition presidential candidates. So they will amuse the public until the 2015 elections, and then a traditional vote will take place, after which the victorious dances on the stage or mournful squeals to the world community will begin. However, this is not only why the Ukrainian opposition avoids getting into trouble. The thing is that they cannot take and reset the “regime” for a banal reason: the Ukrainian revolution has a lot of leaders, but it has absolutely no fighters. Supporters of the Freedom Institute, or members of other nationalist clubs, wave, enthusiastic, as if they really believe that Bandera will really come. But at the same time, they hardly understand that this slogan reflects the best the essence of the mentality of today's Ukrainians: if someone had come, he would have done everything for us! And what did the ideological imitators of Bandera achieve, to whom power fell into the hands of heaven ?. How was it used by the Ukrainian nationalists who have ruled the western regions of Ukraine for twenty years? No way. They did not even manage to arrange garbage removal from settlements. What for? “Bandera will come - he will take away the garbage!” It will also clear snow, pave roads, repair pipes, open kindergartens, and at the same time erect monuments to itself ..These people are good at only one thing - to ban. Russian language, non-Ukrainian songs, objectionable parties. All their ebullient activity is mainly aimed at banning, because, in their understanding, for this it is enough to draw up and sign a piece of paper - and the ban is ready! But precisely because all of their prohibitions do not work, because no one watches their execution. Everyone wants to be leaders in order to only give orders, but no one wants to execute and work.
Therefore, with all the appearance of intense activity, the right-wing Ukrainian opposition is as much a bunch of political impotent people as all other domestic “revolutionaries”. Among them there are a lot of leaders, but there are absolutely no performers. There are many “field commanders”, but no “soldiers of the revolution”. http://from-ua.com/politics/d3966a1205add.html

[Radoslav]

Fidget, I saw you. You (you) are constantly fighting in the World of TANKS, train with us to go into a real battle soon. Yes, no men go into battle, but we need battle sisters.

[Setrac]

what are your nicknames in the world of tanks?

[Egoza]

Quote: Radoslav

Fidget I saw you, you (you) are constantly fighting in World of TANKS,

Well no. It's not me. There is no time for games. A nickname egoza is quite common.

[Scythian 35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3z2wheJWyk


This is you about this great guy, I think veterans of emu nada like rings in the pope !!!

[Ragnarek]

Yes, the grandfathers with Bandera did not work, did not work. see we have to finish

[igor67]

Quote: Ragnarek

Yes, the grandfathers with Bandera did not work, did not work. see we have to finish

You are right in part, you didn’t modify it, because they were amnestied, (everyone who voluntarily left the forest), My relatives live in Ivano-Frankivsk region, the first time I got there back in 73 and then there were the same problems on May 9, All solved, it is possible to try on both the western and eastern parts of Ukraine, but in the absence of an economy it is politically advantageous to pit people off, the image of the enemy, people do not pay attention to the difficult economic situation and both former Yushchenko and present Yanukovych take advantage of this, the authorities have nothing to offer the people to crap on nationalism

[radio operator]

9 of May is the day of commemoration of common sense in the western regions of Ukraine. Amen.

[501 Legion]

Shame on Ukraine and the Ukrainian people that they generally allow this to happen, recently it’s a fraternal country, lower and lower has fallen in my eyes

[Egoza]

"The Lviv Prosecutor's Office has protested against the decision of local authorities to celebrate May 8 and 9. In particular, we are talking about the resolutions adopted by the City Council on April 25 "On declaring May 8 in Lviv as the Day of Mourning and Remembrance of the Victims of Totalitarian Regimes and Victims of World War II" and "On the Prohibition of the Use of USSR Symbols, Communist and Nazi Symbols in Lviv." The appeal also applies to a similar decision of the regional council, "said the head of the press service of the regional prosecutor's office Maryana Gayovskaya.
The prosecutor's office noted that the decision of the Lviv City Council to prohibit the use, in particular, of copies of the Victory Banner during public events, contradicts the provisions of the Law of Ukraine "On the perpetuation of Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945".
However, according to Gayovskaya, the part of the City Council’s decree declaring May 8 in Lviv the Day of Sorrow, which provides for the establishment of the State Flag with mourning ribbons and the lowering of the State Flag of Ukraine on the buildings of state institutions, contradicts the requirements of the law. The adoption of such decisions relates exclusively to the authority of the Verkhovna Rada, the head of the press service of the regional prosecutor’s office noted. In this regard, prosecutors brought two lawsuits to the court demanding the cancellation of these parts of the decisions of the Lviv City Council.
http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/02may2013/9travnya.html

[Kaa]

Quote: Egoza

In this regard, prosecutors brought two lawsuits to the court demanding the cancellation of these parts of the decisions of the Lviv City Council.

We are at the door - they are at the window: "Besides, The Ivano-Frankivsk City Council declared May 9 as the Day of Sorrow for those who died in the Second World War. The deputies also banned the placement of symbols of non-existent and unrecognized states (military formations) on buildings and structures of enterprises, institutions and organizations regardless of the form of ownership in the regional center. "Http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/19apr2013/denpob.ht
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"At the deputy from" Batkivshchyna " Yuri Stets is scheduled for May ... Saturday: "For us, this is not a holiday, but a day of occupational therapy. We will gather the children and clean up the yard, garden, collect last year's leaves: we bring up in them a love of work. I already had Easter two weeks ago, I the same Catholic, noted with his family, but on May 9 I don’t consider a holiday - rather a day of sorrow... But I always remember those killed in World War II. "Svobodovets "Igor Miroshnichenko will only celebrate Easter: “We plan to work in the committees for May. I don’t consider May 1 as a holiday, but I’m looking forward to Easter, I’ll definitely go to St. Michael's Cathedral, I’ll break the fast right in front of the church, I do this every year. Then we will celebrate with my family , we always bake Easter, paint eggs. May 9 I will not celebrate, but the 8th, when the victims of the Second World War are remembered all over the world, I will note. " His opponent, communist Alexander Zubchevsky, on the other hand, will be walking on May 1: "Of course, this is a great holiday for me. In the morning we will go out on a demonstration from the Communist Party, like every year, we will march, then we will celebrate. But I don't celebrate Easter.".http: //rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/19apr2013/denpob.html
HOW IS THERE IN A TALK WHERE TWO UKRAINIANS ARE THERE THREE HETMAN? FAR WAY, GO DIRECTLY TO TELL ON THE FISH OF THE BUTTERFLIES.

[Boris55]

Greetings from Khrushchev ... arranged an amnesty for the bastard in the 53, and now we need to disentangle ...

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Boris55

Greetings from Khrushchev ... arranged a swine in the 53rd amnesty

If you believe the memoirs of P. Sudoplatov, then it was Khrushchev who was a supporter of the eviction of Bandera from Galicia.

Sudoplatov credits the NKVD with the fact that the NKVD leadership prevented Khrushchev from implementing this plan. But Bandera, Hitler’s supporters now hate the NKVD. Such is the paradox.

[O_RUS]

As former Vice Prime Minister Mykola Tomenko likes to repeat: “The only thing that has been done in Ukraine is to prevent regional conflicts and ethnic hatred.” Beautiful in words, but not right in business.

In May, one of the Kiev courts will begin a hearing on the charge of scientists rightfully representing the intellectual elite of the Ukrainian nation - Popovich, Mayborody, Yakovenko and Kulchitsky, in insulting the honor and dignity of the leadership of a certain Interregional Academy of Personnel Management. The fault of the professors is that they signed the statement “Against Xenophobia, for European Ukraine”. The academy was indicated in the statement as a “xenophobic” example. Which, in addition to training future administrators, is also engaged in publishing newspapers and magazines publishing articles that offend the national feelings of Ukrainian Jews. What is such an opus from the lips of the author of the MAUPovskaya newspaper - the director of the Book Chamber Nikolai Senchenko: “We are an amazing country. A person opens a newspaper or magazine, turns on a television or radio, watches and listens ... to a Jew. It got to the point that only the Jews reason about the Ukrainian mentality, about the fate of Ukraine. ” The idea of ​​the dominance of “non-Ukrainians” is hammered into the heads of students by “educators” - is it a joke, now at IAPM 57 thousand young people are listening to lectures by chauvinists and teachers. But the academics will not judge. And those scientists who do not agree with their xenophobic nonsense ...

Last August, a yeshiva student Mordechai Molozhanov was brutally beaten in Kiev. And immediately after the well-known incident in the Moscow synagogue in Kiev, a follower of Koptsev, a certain Dobryansky, was found. This type wanted to repeat the “Moscow feat” in the choral synagogue in the center of Kiev. But near the guard, he dropped his stocked daggers, was disarmed and sent to the Pechersk district police department ... More recently, the editor-in-chief of Stolichniye Novosti and the VEK (All-Ukrainian Jewish Congress) newspaper Vladimir Katsman, incidentally, owns a newspaper that constantly enters into controversy with publications of the Interregional Academy.

Ukrainian gypsies may consider themselves as hurt people. As far back as July 2002, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance observed cases of xenophobia and racial intolerance towards Roma in Latvia and Ukraine. The problems of the 48th gypsy population of Ukraine are multiplying every year. As Vladimir Paniotto, head of the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, notes, “Xenophobia is growing in the country, especially towards non-Slavic peoples. The highest intolerance index is in relation to Roma. If in 2002 it was 5,75, then in 2003 it was already 5,89 ”. “Gypsy pogroms” flashed today and in Odessa and Transcarpathian regions, traditionally considered multinational, therefore, safe “by default”

[O_RUS]

The Criminal Code of Ukraine contains article 161 - “inciting ethnic hatred”. Courts used it several times. In 2000, the Kharkiv District Court ruled to discontinue the publication of the Dzherelce (Rodnichok) newspaper, a children's publication, for publishing "To Every Layman - Seven Zhidovins." The article popularly explained to children that the idea of ​​revenge for the Ukrainian people has been nurtured by insidious “people” for 300 years, and cited “folk wisdom” such as “Zhida vbiy - forty grikhiv with souls” ... The newspaper was banned from publishing, and the editorial staff was fined 20 thousand hryvnias.

In 2004, the court banned the newspaper "Village News" for publishing an article by Professor Vasily Yaremenko, "The Myth of Ukrainian Anti-Semitism." The professor called the Jews "social leeches, peeling the sticks of Ukrainian peasants." The newspaper after the intervention of the National Union of Journalists and the Guild of Chief Media Editors ... managed to defend. But the case was brought on by a professor. And thanks for that.

The latest use of article 161 is during the presidential campaign. The State Committee for Nationalities and Migration tried to use it against Roman Kozak, a presidential candidate in Ukraine. Kozak in numerous television commercials against the backdrop of marching Bandera promised in case of coming to power to completely eradicate the Russian language in Ukraine ...

[Kaa]

Quote: O_RUS

In the Criminal Code of Ukraine there is article 161 - “inciting ethnic hatred

People's Deputy of Ukraine Vadim Kolesnichenko registered in parliament a draft resolution “On the prohibition of hate speech and expressions degrading human dignity” (regarding offensive statements “zh.i.d”, “kh.oh.o.l”, m.o. S.K.A.L. ”and others) No. 1152 of 21.12.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX. As stated in the text and in the explanatory note to the draft resolution, it was submitted to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine for the purpose of ensuring the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, improving the anti-discrimination legislation of Ukraine by prohibiting hostile language and expressions degrading human dignity.
From domestic history - back in the second half of the XNUMXth century, the word "zhid" was banned by an imperial decree in the territory of the Russian Empire (replaced by the word "Jew"). The same ban was valid in the days of the USSR.The Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, in its Recommendation to the Member States No. R (97) 20 of 30.10.1997 on hate speech, defines hate speech as “all forms of self-expression, which include the dissemination, incitement, promotion or justification of racial hatred, xenophobia, anti-Semitism or other forms of hatred motivated by intolerance, including intolerance of expressions in the form of radical nationalism and ethnocentrism, discrimination and hostility towards minorities, migrants and immigrant people. ”The revival of racism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism in any form leads to increased tension on ethnic, linguistic and other grounds in Ukrainian society, which is extremely dangerous for its existence.Therefore, the draft resolution proposes to prohibit the use of the language of hostility and expressions degrading human dignity in government bodies, institutions and organizations, enterprises, educational institutions, science, culture, in the fields of communications and computer science. http://www.from-ua.com/politics/29d9994638251.html

[Kaa]

Quote: O_RUS

A person opens a newspaper or magazine, turns on a television or radio, watches and listens ... to a Jew. It got to the point that only the Jews reason about the Ukrainian mentality, about the fate of Ukraine. ”

“Regarding anti-Zionism in Ukraine, let's believe the Jews themselves - not only those who exude incomprehensible emotions, but those who operate with numbers. In the spring of 2012, the Jewish edition IzRus reported that the experts of the Kantor Center for the Study of Contemporary European Jewry presented in Tel- Aviv University results of the 2011 annual survey of anti-Semitism in the world. According to this report, 446 anti-Semitic acts (attacks, acts of vandalism, threats against Jews) were recorded in the world. The document notes that the total number of shares has decreased compared to 2010, but acts of anti-Semitism have become more violent, especially in France, the UK and Canada, where 114, 105 and 68 such incidents were recorded, respectively. In total, 63% of anti-Semitic actions are committed in these three countries. And now attention. According to the same report, in Ukraine such "anti-Semitic actions" were recorded ... already 16. So who should Jews express to their "fairy" - Ukrainians or the French, British and other Western "democratic" party? But I'm talking about something else. In Ukraine, there is an unwritten taboo on the "Jewish theme", with very few exceptions - this can be easily seen by studying the Ukrainian media for all years of independence. Meanwhile Amid this vow of silence and under the cover of attacks on Ukrainian nationalism, amazing things are happening in the Jewish community in our country. Here I am fortunate enough to stumble upon an ad for children to study at the Simha Chabad Jewish school in Kiev. Full name - State Jewish educational complex “Simha-Chabad”. According to the official release, the Simha Chabad complex is one of the largest Jewish schools in the CIS and is officially one of the five best schools in Kiev. The institution, as its official name implies, is STATE. And in the same announcement of the government agency, I come across an astounding phrase: “The State Jewish educational complex“ Simha-Chabad ”is always open to all Jewish children of Kiev“If we call someone“ Ukrainian, ”speaking of Ukraine, this can mean both a Ukrainian by nationality and a citizen of Ukraine in general. But we agree: speaking of a Jew in Ukraine, we can only mean this nationality, and nothing more. And the phrase "Jewish children" can in no way mean representatives of any other nationalities.So, it is not clear to me why only Jewish children can come to a public school in Ukraine? . When admitting to any Jewish educational institution in Ukraine, the documents and “candidates” of the parents are necessarily studied. The main condition is their nationality. So nationalism in Ukraine is really flourishing. But this nationalism is not Ukrainian. http://hvylya.org/analytics/politics/natsionalizm-v-ukraine-protsvetaet-tolko-ne
-ukrainskiy.html

[Egoza]

People’s Deputy of Ukraine Eduard Leonov (“Freedom” faction) asked the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov to verify the legality of the planned military parade in Sevastopol, in which the Russian military should also take part. This was reported to UNIAN in the press service of the All-Ukrainian association “Freedom”.
The deputy also demands "to provide information about the persons who gave the appropriate permission, from what sources and how much money was directed to the event and on what grounds the foreign state advertises its military potential in Ukraine."
Leonov notes that active preparations for a military parade continue during Sevastopol, during which they plan to demonstrate the strength of the army of a foreign state - the Russian Federation with the involvement of military equipment. “According to the Sevastopol Svobodovites, on April 29 at 22:00 the center of the city was blocked and taken out by numerous military units of a foreign state along with equipment: Grad multiple rocket launchers, air defense systems, long-range howitzers, etc.,” he notes. According to him, "the locals still feel occupied by the Soviet army, because this is not the first such event during which Russia will try to intimidate Ukrainians with a military presence and demonstrate its strength." “The behavior of the Russian military in Sevastopol testifies to the pronounced complex of the invader-loser, because they have long turned into a source of constant danger to the residents of Sevastopol and city guests
http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/229244

[olegyurjewitch]

The second day I watch this news on the news, but for some reason this topic is covered only by one channel "Vesti24". Can't our government of the Russian Federation adequately respond to Kiev's connivance with the hostile, openly anti-Russian and anti-Ukrainian attacks of these nationalists, or are they deliberately digging a hole between our peoples? Victory Day is equally great for both Ukrainians and Russians, and for all those peoples of the former USSR, whose peoples won at the cost of their blood, at the cost of the lives of millions of their sons and daughters, a cruel and evil enemy - fascist Germany!

[Egoza]

And again, people write
boriselidi 02.05.2013/10/34, XNUMX:XNUMX
Edyunichka. I understand that it’s of little use, but once again I remind you. Not only Ukrainians live in Ukraine. Crimea has nothing to do with Ukraine. The Russian army in Crimea has always been, is and will be. Fear of sergeant-major.
Aquarius 02.05.2013/10/34, XNUMX:XNUMX
Another Russophobe-svLotovets opened neo-fascist jaws. This "foreign state" Zapukriyu and your Banderstadt joined Ukraine, brought people of yours, Austro-Hungarian-Polish slaves and illiterate rags, to Banderoprice ... And you didn’t poke your snout in SEVASTOPOL. And the surname of this man, who was dressed with a Kutsim osseletts and embroidered, put on a T-shirt, is purely Russian — Leonov, and the name is not “broad Ukrainian”, - Edik, - what about the ideologist from Volota, Farion Goebbelsovna, such name and surname “sky” suffers in a friendly, neo-Nazi pack, huh?
azhjores 02.05.2013/15/46, XNUMX:XNUMX
note: "the locals AGAIN feel OCCUPIED by the SOVIET ARMY" - he considers himself local, and Crimea - Galicia?
Vladimir59 02.05.2013/18/38, XNUMX:XNUMX
I am from Sevastopol. This goat here did not shine with us. Squeals probably from Kiev. Here we seem to have some kind of supporters, but they’re sitting somewhere, they don’t particularly climb out. And the Parade will take place anyway. And there will be many people. It’s not up to these shit to decide. Although their stench has long been across my throat.
Barsa 02.05.2013/23/21, XNUMX:XNUMX
This your behavior indicates that Bandera henchmen did not understand anything. Sevastopol is a Russian city and no clap with a sedentary (or rather, a miserable parody of it and an unwashed head) will prove to Sevastopol that their sailors were “occupied” by Russian sailors. Sevastopol residents are proud that their city is the city of military glory of Russia! And no banderlogs will be able to convince them otherwise. Go back to the caches, back to the scarecrow and don’t translate it more imorske again with your own national style! In short - go home !!!

[Egoza]

I don’t even want to spoil the beautiful site with the faces of these geeks! just put here Kipling's poem. This is about them!
Three things shiver us
The fourth is not to demolish.
In the great book, Agur himself
Their list has placed.
All four are a curse to us
But still on the list
Agur set before all
Slave that became king.
If the whore gets married then
Will give birth, and sin is forgotten.
get drunk and fall asleep
While he sleeps, he is silent.
The maid became mistress
So don’t go to her house!
But there is no escape from the slave
Who became king!
He is in the construction of idiots,
And in the destruction of speed
He is deaf to reason - he screams
The argument is winning.
He needs power for power,
And the spirit corrected by force,
He praises the sage
Who lies to him: "You are right!"
He was a slave and he used to
That trouble has come
Always the owner answered
For all his affairs.
When is he stupid now
In the dust turned the country
He's looking for someone again
Blame it.
He promises so easily
But I’m ready to forget everything.
He is afraid of everyone - and friends,
Both loved ones and enemies.
When it’s not necessary, it’s stubborn,
When not necessary - weak
O servant who became king
All the slave, still the same slave.

[zennon]

The greatness of Kipling is that in simple words he could explain very complex things. The poem is exactly about Khrushchev. I do not want to write this scum with a capital letter.

[Arthurian]

Ugh .. Scum, in a word, these Svobodovites. Would destroy.

[avant-garde]

I would like to see how these masked young cattle would protect their homeland from a real enemy with weapons in their hands !!! But they would crap and run away to where, although it’s clear where they were captured and they would scream that Ukraine is not their homeland !!!! And the crowd to attack the old Veterans who already barely walk a lot of mind is not necessary !!! Once again I will add SCOTTES and so that you survive the same that our Veterans survived, and then such creatures would still beat you.

[APASUS]

Look!

[T-73]

one plus is not enough, +100 (add zeros as desired)

[shurup]

Again there will be a fight between veterans of the SA and local gopniks.
In Lviv, it’s just right to open the Coliseum and sell tickets to European tourists.
Municipal economy will benefit instead.
Can such an experience be adopted in Moscow?

[treskoed]

Perhaps this is an attempt to distract the people from today's pressing problems of Ukraine! Pitting, searching for the enemy - this is far from a new technique. But in any case, mocking the memory of generations is disgusting!

[Rustiger]

Who doubts that this is all coming from outside?
The territory is being cleared under New-Hazaria by the hands of the residents themselves. . .

"Our Gd bequeathed us to own the world - we own it. Our task is to keep the world in our hands. Keep in your hands the means of propaganda and information: press, radio, television, cinema. We need to continue to penetrate the apparatus of party and state administration Shape public opinion around any issue, taking into account our national interests.

Do not openly destroy the monuments of Russian antiquity, but do not restore them either. Years will pass, and they themselves will collapse. And hooligans and "lovers of antiquity" will pull them apart brick by brick. Pretend that you do not notice this, being busy with solving big national economic problems. A people without history is like a child without parents, and you can mold everything that is necessary from it, put your worldview, your way of thinking into it.

In this way, entire nations can be necessarily depersonalized; first they are deprived of history and traditions, and then we shape them in our own image and likeness. "
/ Jewish Catechism /

[Nikaviz]

Because of such BITS !!! My kin, split in half ... for 20 years. Since 1993 we have not met, for them we have become "YAMI - OCCUPANTS" -MARASM of modern society .. dozens of idiots politicians, drag the whole "herd" to the MISS ..

[individual]

Why be surprised? Who won the Great Patriotic War - we write with capital letters "HONOR and RESPECT", - who lost in mourning and negligee.

[Egoza]

Screw!
I have no doubt that there will be a fight again on May 9th. And no courts and cancellations will be able to stop. Unless the local police will have their hands more untied, they will try to stop the "heaps of mourners" in time.
Cracked!
Unfortunately, this is not an attempt to distract people from the pressing problems of Ukraine. This is the unsolved problem of Ukraine. It's just that under the Soviet Union, these shortcomings were still afraid to so openly climb out into the light of day, but under the "square" they were given will, and they began to teach everyone how to live and by what standards. After all, they have always fought for "independence"! So they are the owners! They are gentlemen! And all the rest should serve them. Ugh, abomination!

[treskoed]

If they have such beliefs - doubly vile!

[Algor73]

I just want to say: People, think over where you slipped ...

[Captain Vrungel]

While at the state level, we will yell "independent and independent." As long as we will write "samostiy2na and square" on transporters and fences, this is nonsense. It means that the state was not built (where you have heard or seen the independent and independent Romania, Finland, Turkey, Greece, Canada, China are established states without the anecdotal clarifications of "independent and independent".) We are not ripe to be just a state, while everyone runs their own way garden and yells that he is "independent and independent" and will live by his own rules .... Then read the last interview of Slobodan Milosevic above and prepare your neck for a yoke, an ass for a whip, freedom and will for a slave lot.

[avant-garde]

Quote: Algor73

I just want to say: People, think over where you slipped ...

in my opinion have already arrived (((

[avant-garde]

it's to those masked ramps!

[ole]

Awesome photo and commentary And in Ukraine, I think let themselves understand Rossi's problems LESS.

[T-73]

Quote: vladsolo56

separation will finally happen

And along with this there will be a loss of self-identification of the people. Tear the country apart, separatism will crush the whole of western Ukraine. The East can take pitchforks, although it is easier to press economically. Really the Slavs do not understand that a war is already going on? Against them. However, I think they played with their maidan

[Nikaviz]

Because of such BITS !!! My kin, split in half ... for 20 years. Since 1993 we have not met, for them we have become "YAMI - OCCUPANTS" -MARASM of modern society .. dozens of idiots politicians, drag the whole "herd" to the MISS ..

[Setrac]

Why quote Milosevic's interiorview? Yugoslavia was not a member of the Warsaw Treaty, Serbia is not a member of the CSTO and the Customs Union. Words diverge from deeds.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Setrac

Why quote Milosevic's interiorview? Yugoslavia was not a member of the Warsaw Treaty, Serbia is not a member of the CSTO and the Customs Union. Words diverge from deeds.

Last news:

Serbia may join the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)in which she currently has observer status. Afghanistan has the same status in the CSTO. According to the REX news agency, this was announced on April 11, 2013, commenting on the results of the meeting of the Council of the Parliamentary Assembly of this structure in St. Petersburg, said the chairman of the National Assembly of Serbia Nebojsa Stefanovich.

«Serbia is interested in the most serious and active cooperation with this organization, since we realized that one state is not able to cope with challenges in the modern world, such as terrorism, ”he said, noting that Serbia plans to expand cooperation with the countries of the Union of Independent of states (CIS).

http://ruserbia.com/drugie-pishut/1146-serbiya-stala-nablyudatelem-pr-iparlament


skoj-assembly-odkb

[Setrac]

Observer status does not oblige Russia to anything. They want serious protection if they join the Customs Union or the Russian Federation.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Setrac

Observer status does not oblige Russia to anything. They want serious protection if they join the Customs Union or the Russian Federation.

About 50 thousand Kosovo Serbs applied for Russian citizenship.
http://topwar.ru/8840-rossiyskoe-grazhdanstvo-zaprosili-okolo-50-tys-kosovskih-s
erbov.html

[T-73]

Quote: djon3volta

there will be two Ukraine or what?

There will be no 2 or 3 Ukraine. Everything will return in the ass and the maximum of the principality will be. And the script is with the director of this production

[Garrin]

Something I don't see here today is our Ukrainian "Friends", who literally the day before yesterday, foaming at the mouth, argued that Westerners are white and fluffy and that there are no Russophobic sentiments, while mercilessly minus opponents.

[Hudo]

Quote: Garrin

Something I don't see here today is our Ukrainian "Friends", who literally the day before yesterday, foaming at the mouth, argued that Westerners are white and fluffy and that there are no Russophobic sentiments, while mercilessly minus opponents.

Dear Garrin, these "friends" are fascist trolls from the All-Ukrainian association "Svoboda" (in the people - "Svololota", where the Fuhrer Izya Tyagnybok. These are the children of a dog wedding.

[traditions]

Often with this bastard butted on Gazeta.ua.
There is only one conclusion: THIS IS ALIENS! THIS IS BAD ALIENS!
PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! PRESS!

[Phoenix-D]

For winners, Victory Day is a holiday; for losers, Victory Day is a day of mourning. It's simple, Galicia is a country with fascist authorities.

[Delink]

They always looked towards the west. Only now it is actively lobbying.

[traditions]

They always looked towards the west.

And in the west, Poland, which remembers everything. Hungary will not forgive much for them.
The Russians will strangle them.
They only Kiev, magic wand.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

.......... Where is Geyropa looking? Why the ECHR has not yet judged neo-Nazis-Western? .......... History already in the 45th placed almost over i, do not like it? We will correct their worldview by other methods ...............

[igor67]

[quote = FRIGATENKAPITAN] .......... Where does Geyropa look? Why the ECHR has not yet judged neo-Nazis-Western? .......... History already in the 45th placed almost over i, do not like it? We will correct their worldview by other methods ............... [
I have a counter question: what to do with the Russian Natsiks who walk around Moscow and Leningrad, disgracing the ashes of their grandfathers? Let's be honest, these Mr. IDs are everywhere and they are beneficial to politicians for their election goals. It is necessary to get rid of the screaming politicians from both sides and then the people will have nothing to divide, it is time to take up the economy, and the Ukrainian authorities to decide who they are, not sitting on two chairs, you can fall between and hurt, it’s very painful, well, Tymoshenko knows

[traditions]

and the Ukrainian authorities to decide who they are

First, we must return to Svidomo's "gentle", Polish hands.
And then they will be determined.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: igor67

What to do with the Russian Natsiks who walk around Moscow and Leningrad, disgracing the dust of their grandfathers?

If they are in St. Petersburg, they are neither visible nor heard, in any case, this handful does not affect the country's policy. So they are a fact, but where are they not? The authorities consider it to be tolerant while they are few and they won’t be able to lead even a small part of the population, again they won’t be promoted, the media are silent about them, so it’s not entirely correct to compare them with the same Ukrainian nationalists or Latvian.

[RU_PATRIOT]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

We will correct their worldview by other methods ...............

There are enough trees for all such corrections in Ukraine ... WELCOME!

[T-73]

But there is a way out (albeit not perfect). All veterans of Ukraine should pay a fare even before the same Belgorod - and let them dress all orders and medals and wear them proudly, let them know that they are remembered and not abandoned, like their own authorities. I pay taxes and let this money go to a good cause, otherwise our deputies will feel sick, because I know that I feed them

[Phoenix-D]

Do you troll? There are more than three veterans of Ukraine.

[Captain Vrungel]

He is the same humorist as Volochkova the Bolshoi opera diva, and Krylov is a prima ballerun. Zadolbal he with his theater all the ethers, channels, frequencies. If only they took a vacation, unlimited.

[Opera]

Quote: treskoed

Perhaps this is an attempt to distract the people from today's pressing problems of Ukraine

This is not an attempt - these are completely different people, with completely different life attitudes, ideals and guidelines! The fact that "Svoboda" in the Rada only hastened the process ... You can throw angry words at the fascist underdit as much as you like. The position of the people of the east and south of Ukraine is and is known. We need concrete action from Russia!

[Egoza]

Quote: Oper

Concrete actions on the part of Russia are needed!

So it is so, and we would be with a dear soul, but ... "interference in internal affairs ... imperial evil, la-la-la" such a howl will rise - hold on! Well, it's only the United States that can go everywhere, and Russia - no, no!

[shinobi]

Neofascists. The diagnosis however. The medicine and treatment is also known for a long time. P.I.Z.D.YU.L. And it is called.

[T-73]

Quote: Whitley

All three?

At least one, such as YOU can not wait? Of course the troll, but what remains

[T-73]

Quote: Whitley

Four?

Unfinished youngster, or thinks that he left a mark in history? Phoenix forget, there’s no reason to talk there due to the lack of a brain

[T-73]

Quote: Geisenberg

the sooner Ukraine gets rid of the Bendery regions, the faster it starts to live.

It remains a little - to hang these Benderaites on the neck of the gentry, from it will be great - spiders in one bank

[Krasnoyarsk]

Among Svobodovites, their faces are not even remotely like Slavic Tatars and Jews.

[Whitley]

Specialist in erysipelas in comments, everything in the bunker.

[Krasnoyarsk]

YOBA, NE PALI KONTORY

[Whitley]

GOOD NE BUDU

[ed1968]

well let our Slavic Western Ukrainian "brothers" lick eggs for pshekam they will get a lot from them

[traditions]

ed1968! These are "brothers"?
Even quoting is not good!
We have full-fledged Ukrainian brothers there,
Russians.
A Svidomo forget a couple of years.

[Setrac]

Bandera - the descendants of the Poles - they are not brothers to us, so, distant relatives.

[Captain Vrungel]

You tell the Poles that Bandera is their relatives and you will find out what the Poles think about Bandera, personally about you and how long and in detail they will send you to known and unknown addresses. But the fact that you will be made children of Bandera and sent to Bander’s mother is for sure.

[Setrac]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Tell the Poles that Bandera is their relatives and you will find out what the Poles think about Bandera, personally about you and how long and in detail they will send you to known and unknown addresses. But the fact that you will be made children of Bandera and sent to Bander’s mother is for sure.

I totally agree with you! Poles have bad relatives, but I’m not to blame for this, they are to blame.

[knn54]

The OUN and UPA have always been SEPARATISTS. Their goal is "NOT COVERED GALICHINA", not "Free Ukraine". At least one UPA soldier fought for Odessa, Sevastopol, Lugansk, Kharkov? They and their separatist accomplices.
As for mourning, their masters are the loser. Therefore, lackeys cannot be with the winners. PS If it is impossible to restore the health of the body, it is necessary to cut / amputate the diseased organ. If measures are not taken in time, then surgical intervention cannot be dispensed with ...

[zennon]

You’re wrong. I’m not Ukrainian, but even I understand that the economic locomotive of this country is the industrial east. The remnants without them are Holodians. Therefore, they imagine themselves to be ideological guides, a messiah, without which bright ideas Ukraine will die. They are by no means they want a split! That is why they are trying to manage in the Crimea, in the east. In vain attempts. Russia will regain Crimea and Donbas. Not tomorrow, but it will definitely return.
As for surgery, you are right. It will only happen without external intervention. Ukraine within the current borders is nonsense.

[Evgeniy46]

Comrades, there is a thought. Maybe we can fold and send them a wreath with a ribbon "Fascists of Ukraine from Topwar.ru"?

[uizik]

Galitchina should be torn away from Ukraine and as soon as possible. Otherwise, this infection will destroy the country. It is not clear why there is no reaction of the authorities to their decisions. If the East of Ukraine gives a hint about the federation, they immediately accuse it of separatism. Let these Nazis live in their own fascist ways.

[RU_PATRIOT]

Because the east will have to disconnect itself, which is why many people don’t want to, because together with the west of Ukraine the center and the capital and the north of Ukraine will all be pro-Ukrainian regions.

[ZuluS]

And no one had the thought of reconciliation. How it happened throughout Europe. Only one thing on mind, separation, rejection, split ... Ukraine is a sovereign and united state, for 21 years it is time to come to terms with this idea, and not to spit saliva from impotent malice. You have to be kinder, you look and people will reach for you ...

[Arrogant]

Khmelnitsky region is also Galicia? who will tell?

[Hudo]

Quote: Rogue

Khmelnitsky region is also Galicia? who will tell?

Geographically - no, but for SMERSH a lot of work on svidomitotsidom.

[T-73]

Quote: Kohl

in the second decade of the last century

There was nothing great, neither in 2 nor in 3-4 decades. The decree issued from the entry and all. What happened? The people and so was one: Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians - and this is only a small fraction of us all.

[Whitley]

Quote: T-73

kind and so was one: Russian, Belarusians

This is yes.

Quote: T-73

Ukrainians

But this is not.

[Opera]

Quote: Eugene46

Comrades, there is a thought. Maybe we can fold and send them a wreath with a ribbon "Fascists of Ukraine from Topwar.ru"?

But this is not a bad idea, only the addressee should be more accurate! And here is the sender - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians! Maybe someone else will join.

[Evgeniy46]

the central office of the Svoboda party

[Ak 12]

In the western regions of Ukraine 9 May declared a day of mourning

Well, then they will declare June 22 a holiday

[Sashko07]

Quote: Whitley

Quote: T-73

kind and so was one: Russian, Belarusians

This is yes.

Quote: T-73

Ukrainians

But this is not.

When the Ukrainians traded with half the world, you weren’t even in the project, there were only birch trees and a swamp in the place of Moscow, don’t forget who you came from.

But in Azarov’s place, we should not blurt out the language, but do something, remove these same officials from their positions and then bring them to justice, otherwise he is an amateur of talking and doing something is not good.

[Whitley]

Quote: Sashko07

don't forget who you came from.

From people Y of haplogroup R1, which includes Russians, Belarusians and Poles. Although Ukrainians live between R1a Poles and R1a Russians, they have a solid Turkic J.

[Evgeniy46]

Quote: Sashko07

When the Ukrainians traded with half the world, you weren’t even in the project, there were only birch trees and a swamp in the place of Moscow, don’t forget who you came from.

when the ancient Ukrainians just began to crawl out of the caves, the ancient Russian heroes expanded their possessions to the very borders of the Roman Empire

[BAT]

Guys, you are both wrong. There were no other Ukrainians, no other Russians. And there was Kievan Rus, which united the appanage principalities located on the territory of modern Russia and Ukraine.
Just different tribes were united into one people.
And all these confrontations and contradictions of yours here on the forum are simply ridiculous.

[Setrac]

Quote: Eugene46

when the ancient Ukrainians just began to crawl out of the caves, the ancient Russian heroes expanded their possessions to the very borders of the Roman Empire

The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, because the rest of the “Roman” empires are an invention of Western historians.

[RU_PATRIOT]

At a time when from 50 to 150 thousand citizens lived in Kyiv, the “urban-type village” of Paris had 15 thousand inhabitants, and in London - 20 thousand. At this time, frogs were croaking in the Altai swamp, and two hundred years later the village of “Moskva” arose here, which translated from Old Finnish means “wet place.” Around the “wet place” in dense forests and fields lived up to twenty different ethnic, multilingual tribes of Finno-Ugric-Mongol-Tatar-Altai races. Vyatichi, Radimichi, Golyad, Krivichi, Meri, Permyaks... Only the Permyak tribe had some semblance of an original written language. Later, the Permian writing was destroyed by the Orthodox clergy. The artificially created language (Church Slavonic) based on Old Bulgarian, brought to the distant outskirts of the colony of Rus' by Kyiv warriors, united and assimilated two dozen different ethnic tribes.

During archaeological excavations of Christian (!) Cemeteries of the 16-17th centuries on the territory of the former Moscow principality, the study of skulls, it turned out: among the buried, 44 to 53 percent belong to the Asian type. Not to the European! Not to Slavic!

The noun Muscovites (Muscovites) - after the name of their capital city - from the 15th to the beginning of the 18th century was the name of an ethnic conglomerate of Finno-Mongol-Tatar-Altai races. In Europe and in the Asian empire of the Golden Horde, the territory inhabited by the specified ethnic conglomerate at that time was called “Muscovy”. The people, consisting of more than a dozen different ethnic tribes, were generalized as "Moksel".

When did the Moksel tribes miraculously turn into our “Slavic brothers”?

Not miraculously, but by decree of the Muscovite Tsar Peter I. In 1713, he issues an order and sends it through Menshikov to Ambassador Dolgoruky in Copenhagen: “In all courants (European periodical magazines) our state is printed in Moscow, not Russian, and for the sake of this, please be careful that they print in Russian, about what and to other things have been written to all courts (embassies)..."

The euphonious name of her people was finally consolidated by the princess from Germany Catherine the Second, who became empress, who wished to rule not over... - let us keep silent for the sake of tolerance - but over the “civilized European people.”

Only one people on our entire planet is worthy of being included in the Guinness Book. All peoples are called by real names, nouns. Who? - Bulgarians, Poles, French, English, Jews, Papuans... But not with adjectives. Whose, what? - “Bulgarian”, “Polish”, “Jewish”, “Papuan”...

By order of the Tsar, the descendants of the “Moksels” who became Slavs have been bearing the name that unites them all for three centuries. Not a noun (who?), but an adjective. Whose are you? – Russians. What are you like? – Russians. Because for three centuries they belonged to Kievan Rus.

After the conquest of Batu’s hordes for almost two centuries, the Rostov-Suzdal princes went to bow to the khans of the Golden Horde for the right to reign. But, thank the Lord! - they stopped paying tribute to the Chingizid dynasty and began to create a new state - the Principality of Moscow, then the Kingdom of Moscow. What imperial itch subsequently seized the “new Slavs” is well known to everyone.

[Setrac]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

At a time when from 50 to 150 thousand citizens lived in Kyiv, the “urban-type village” of Paris had 15 thousand inhabitants, and in London - 20 thousand.

Alas, Kyiv in Ukraine has nothing to do with the chronicle Kyiv. When Paris had a population of 15 thousand, YOUR Kyiv did not exist in principle.

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

Only the Perm tribe had some semblance of an original written language.

Ancient Perm (territory) is the territory of present-day Germany (not all of it, of course), and their language and writing have not disappeared anywhere.
There is complete mythology about the Finno-Ugric peoples; they were never indigenous to central Russia. Genetics has shown that the ancient inhabitants of the Moscow region - the Slavs - are carriers of the Slavic gene. Genetics have shown that the highest percentage of the Slavic gene (in the world) is in the population of the upper Volga region.

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

Only one people on our entire planet is worthy of being included in the Guinness Book. All peoples are called by real names, nouns. Who? - Bulgarians, Poles, French, English, Jews, Papuans... But not with adjectives. Whose, what? - “Bulgarian”, “Polish”, “Jewish”, “Papuan”...

Fomenko has entire volumes devoted to wordplay, which is fascinating, but alas, does not prove anything. Let's play this exciting game with you, we are Russian people, let me draw your attention, we are people, you (you personally, not all Ukrainians, attacking you personally) are Ukrainians, not Ukrainian people (please note), according to your logic, you are not people at all, you are a new species - Ukrainian, it remains to understand whether the new species was formed as a result of development or degradation? We are homo sapiens, you are Ukrainian sapiens, although some people doubt sapience (the last phrase is not an attack on you, but just humor).

[Blackky]

Quote: Setrac

you are Ukrainian science

More like dill. Doesn't look like a sapiens.

[RU_PATRIOT]

We have always been here and you don’t need to get attached to our history, you have your own. Your entire interpretation of history is for internal consumption and it is not objective. And this is not a revelation to anyone in the world, which gave Karl Marx grounds to assert in his work “Exposing the Diplomatic History of the XNUMXth Century” that “Moscow history is sewn to the history of Rus' with white threads.”

Let us add that this work of Karl Marx is the only one that was never published in the USSR without cuts.

[Sashko07]

Quote: uizik

Galicia must be torn away from Ukraine and as quickly as possible.

Yeah, don’t talk nonsense, would NATO missiles be another 100-150 kilometers closer to Moscow? Think a little about what you say if there is something to it.

[What]

Of course, this is better than the Cheburash troughs in the sevas.

[traditions]

Think a little about what you say if there is something to it.

What heresy?

Galicia must be torn away from Ukraine and as quickly as possible.

The only way!
There is no need to scare us with missiles! We have our own!

[Setrac]

Quote: tradizia

The only way!
There is no need to scare us with missiles! We have our own!

No not like this. The land belongs to Ukraine, the Banderas (people, not territory) can scratch to the west.
P.S. Why are you, the royal face, squandering government lands?

[WW3]

Well, who would doubt it, these western regions are controlled by the Freedom Party at the local government level, odious decisions are made every hour that contradict most of the territory of Ukraine and the central government, and now this party is represented in parliament. De facto, there are 2 Ukraines, the difference in mentality and values ​​are obvious.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: WW3

Well, who would doubt it, these western regions are controlled by the Freedom Party at the local government level, odious decisions are made at the hour that contradict most of the territory of Ukraine and the central government,

And what, in the state of Ukraine there is a separate constitution for each party, region, and rural area?

[Corsair]

Quote: olegyurjewitch

And what, in the state of Ukraine there is a separate constitution for each party, region, and rural area?

It is almost impossible to apply the norms of articles of the constitution after wiping your ass in the toilet with its pages...

[Corsair]

Quote: Corsair

It is almost impossible to apply the norms of articles of the constitution after wiping your ass in the toilet with its pages...

Apparently I did not formulate my thoughts fully and accurately enough in the commentary. I'll get better:***after wiping BY POWER asses***.....And further in the text.

[Corsair]

Quote: WW3

De facto, there are 2 Ukraines, the difference in mentality and values ​​are obvious.

THREE.Turkey will try to play its game in Crimea.

[avant-garde]

I’m more than sure that not all young people in Ukraine are like those shown in the video above, well then why don’t normal young people organize an adequate response to these people who don’t care??? After all, there are families where they respect and remember veterans and raise their children accordingly, why then do they hide their heads in the sand???

[Egen]

I recently watched the Ukrainian documentary film “1941” in 5 episodes about the year 41 - the background and beginning of the war. There are excesses and interesting thoughts, but specifically about Western Ukraine and Belarus, here’s what.
They show footage of how the population greeted the Russians in 39 with flowers. Then they show how they also greet the Germans in 41 with flowers. A behind-the-scenes commentary like this: “a year and a half was enough for the population to hate the Soviets and greet the Germans as liberators, but they still didn’t know that they would soon get even more from the Germans.” Probably, few people in Ukraine have seen this film..

[What]

Quote: Egen

Probably, few people in Ukraine have seen this film..

Why watch this propaganda?

[Avenger711]

You never know what kind of nonsense they show there.

[Avenger711]

Wait until they are crushed like bedbugs.

[BAT]

Valery Boval, you are a provocateur!!!
All your articles evoke negative emotions among Russians towards the brotherly Ukrainian people.
With your provocative articles you are sowing hatred, discord and confusion between two fraternal peoples.
Svobodovites, Unaunsoshniks and other nationalist scum are not the whole of Ukraine. This is only a small part of it, small, but not the main one.
And you, a deeply disrespected author by me, are no better than all these nationalists. Because you yourself are grist to their mill.
Or maybe you are some kind of paid agent of some kind of State Department? Why does a formal fight between Russians and Ukrainians begin after each of your articles on the site?

[nnz226]

Why doesn’t the Ukrainian government stop the attacks of the UPAists, “Svobodists” and other scum?! For tearing off St. George's ribbons, the local police, if they obey the authorities, and having received the appropriate order (and Victory Day is a state holiday according to the Constitution of the independent territory), were supposed to disperse the scum with batons, both on the last Victory Day and on the coming one! And what?! There are no cops protecting veterans in Bandera's Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk and other parasite-bastard areas of the Square...

[Ivan Sidorov]

Quote: uizik

Galitchina should be torn away from Ukraine and as soon as possible. Otherwise, this infection will destroy the country. It is not clear why there is no reaction of the authorities to their decisions. If the East of Ukraine gives a hint about the federation, they immediately accuse it of separatism. Let these Nazis live in their own fascist ways.

There is no point in this discussion. Ukraine is an independent country (de jure), leading an independent policy. The cries about what and how this country should do, coming from Russian websites, only convince the true Ukrainians of their destiny... The best way to influence is to let independence and national identity get drunk. Before burping (this is a polite form).
And only after satiety sets in (again, a polite form), you can at least somehow try to help. The All-Ukrainian Association “Svoboda” is an excellent provocateur of such belching.

[Apologet.Ru]

There has been no independent Ukraine for a long time. In Ukraine there are independent economic clans that squabble among themselves, and the people are thrown into the social dustbin. This is what Ukraine is today.

[a boat]

Quote: T-100

It’s time to tear off the Crimea from them, as it once was an independent territorial division and leave Ukraine within its historical borders, then join the part where the population is pro-Russian, then pro-Western, let it die and don’t even pay attention to them and turn off the gas for them, light and do not trade, such shit should not be a pity. As the saying goes: A family has its black sheep. It’s better to make the Serbs named brothers than to call a brother a brother)))

I’m from the Donbass so that they don’t think that I’m a Westerner! I’m smart, I look? After everything I’ve read here, not a single Ukrainian will come out in favor of joining the Russian Federation! We shouldn’t be considered subhuman! We’ll sort out our problems ourselves! And we’ll come up with something for gas or air! If you want Crimea, then come and try to take it! As in Georgia you don’t get paid! We’ll tear our throats out for what we have with our teeth, but we won’t give it up!

[MG42]

Quote: gych

I’m from Donbass, so they don’t think I’m a Westerner!

Donbass with the Icelandic flag?

Quote: gych

!If you want Crimea, come and try to take it! As in Georgia, you can’t get it! We’ll rip our throats out for ours, but we won’t give it up!

Ukraine may fall apart on its own, time will tell.

[xan]

Quote: gych

We will tear our throats out for ours, but we will not give it up!

it's not yours, you're an occupier there
the earth will burn under you.
Found someone to scare, Icelander

[zennon]

There is nothing of yours there. And you can at least erase your teeth to the roots. There were many who wanted to get to the Russian throat - they were all left without teeth!

[MG42]

People's Deputy, authorized representative of the VO "Svoboda" in Crimea and Sevastopol Eduard Leonov sent a parliamentary appeal to the Prime Minister of Ukraine demanding to check the legality of the military parade planned for May 9 in Sevastopol with the participation of Russian military personnel, the party's press service reports.

As the Svoboda member noted, active preparations for a military parade continue in Sevastopol, during which they intend to demonstrate the strength of the Russian Federation. In particular, on April 29 at 22:00 the city center was blocked and military units of a foreign state were brought there along with equipment: Grad multiple launch rocket systems, air defense systems, long-range howitzers, etc.

“Local residents still feel occupied by the Soviet army. After all, this is not the first such event during which Russia is trying to intimidate the Ukrainians with a military presence and demonstrate its strength. The behavior of the Russian military in Sevastopol indicates a pronounced complex of the occupier-loser, since they have long "have become a source of constant danger for residents of Sevastopol and guests of the city. One only has to remember the latest high-profile events with their participation - shooting from military weapons in a crowded place in Sevastopol or an accident involving drunken sailors who lost control of the car, resulting in the death of a girl." - said Leonov.

“Svobodovets” also noted that according to the resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of March 26, 2003, international treaties with Russia regulating the presence of the Russian armed forces, the participation of military equipment in public events, air shows, and naval parades is prohibited.

Leonov emphasized that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, by illegally granting permission to hold this event, violated the laws of Ukraine, since this is the exclusive authority of the President of Ukraine as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. Based on materials from: ZN.UA

[Ivan Sidorov]

Let them wait...

[understudy]

Quote: Ivan Sidorov

Let them wait...

___________________________________

Where to register?

[Ivan Sidorov]

Let them wait...

[Restoration]

The entire neo-fascist elite of Ukraine has been nurtured by the West and specifically the United States since independence. The purpose is well known - the collapse of Ukraine, the collapse of Russia.
This is what the Austro-Hungarian Empire did in their time, then Nazi Germany, and now “democratic” America
Unfortunately, Russia does not play a significant role in the political life of Ukraine, unlike the United States.

[Sashko07]

Quote: Egen

Probably, few people in Ukraine have seen this film..

I’ll disappoint you, they show such films on TV, or do you think that “in” Ukraine between the news they only play propaganda against Russia?

[Sashko07]

Quote: Eugene46

when the ancient Ukrainians just began to crawl out of the caves, the ancient Russian heroes expanded their possessions to the very borders of the Roman Empire

That's right, the heroes from Kyiv, Chernigov, Vladimir, Novgorod - this is the territory of present-day Ukraine and Belarus, the family from which I came, but who you northerners all came from, who knows?)))

[Egoza]

Quote: Sashko07

but who the hell did you northern people all come from?)))

Baby! The last prince of Kyiv is Alexander Nevsky. But his children and grandchildren founded Moscow and the Moscow Principality. You need to learn history not from today's textbooks!
By the way, in ancient times there was KIEVAN Rus'! But they haven’t heard anything about Kyiv Ukraine!

[RU_PATRIOT]

Lady, the princes of Kyiv did not put suras of the Koran on their helmets and did not fraternize or become related to the Tatar khans. And the term Kievan Rus was introduced artificially and much later; there was only simply Rus and it was on the territory of modern Ukraine.


The Moscow Kremlin Museum houses the helmet of Alexander Nevsky with Arabic inscriptions. in the highlighted section of the 13th verse of the 61st sura: “Help from Allah and victory is imminent. Tell the good news to the believers!”

[Lopatov]

It was such a time. One, Alexander Nevsky, wore a helmet made by Arab gunsmiths.
Another, Daniil Galitsky, sent his troops under the command of his brother to help Burundai in his campaign against Black Rus'.

[Thunderbolt]

The one in the picture is a work from the beginning of the 17th century. Indeed, the helmet is “oriental”; no information has survived on how it got to Russia. The official name is “Jericho Hat of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich.”

[RU_PATRIOT]

Quote: Spade

wore a helmet made by Arab gunsmiths.

I'll spend a little time on your education)).

The ceremonial damask helmet of the Moscow tsars, which is called the "cap of Erichon", that is, the cap of Jericho made by the RUSSIAN MASTER Nikita Davydov. The phrase "wa bashiril mu'minin" - "And please the believers" is circled in red.
This is a common expression from the Qur'an. Thus, one and the same GOLD NOGITA NIKITA Davydov was put on the Jericho hat as the Orthodox symbols - the royal crown with the eight-pointed Russian cross, and the Arabic expressions from the Koran! Moreover, RUSSIAN inscriptions on this RUSSIAN helmet are not at all. RUSSIAN master Nikita Davydov wrote on it ONLY IN ARABIC.




Ayat of the Quran on Russian armor

http://www.azan.kz/islam/blog/id/169.html

[Lopatov]

I would not confidently attribute the authorship to this particular gunsmith. It is quite possible that he was simply adjusting his helmet.
I don't think we can find any witnesses to its making.

[RU_PATRIOT]

Photo of a mirror armor made for Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich in 1670 by RUSSIAN master Grigory Vyatkin, "one of the best gunsmiths of the second half of the century."

You’d better read the article and many of the speculations will disappear.

http://www.azan.kz/islam/blog/id/169.html

[tixon444]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

You’d better read the article and many of the speculations will disappear.

What's the problem? Our great modern sculptor Zurab Tsereteli is Georgian in pronunciation, so what? So everywhere they write that he is the author of Peter the Great on the spit of the Vodootvodny Canal in Moscow. Well, he and I know that this is not so: young sculptors in his academy are looking at him. The idea may or may not be his. So why didn’t masters Nikita Davydov and Grigory Vyatkin have the right to resort to the help of their Muslim colleagues? Silversmiths from eastern countries have been famous at all times. And the Arabic script for the Orthodox is nothing more than a pattern, no offense intended.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Spade

he was simply adjusting the helmet.

complemented , and according to the logic of RU_PATRIOTA Mozambique is a protectorate of the Russian Federation, of course, of course: here is the proof

[RU_PATRIOT]

When its flag contains the words of the Russian anthem in Cyrillic, then, based on any logic, it will be considered a protectorate of the Russian Federation.

[Thunderbolt]

I won't talk about helmets anymore. ), but tell me, can Ukraine exist in the current political situation as a non-aligned state? In the west there is NATO, in the east the CSTO... Do you think that it is more correct to take someone’s side? Or do you see your homeland as a kind of Eastern European Switzerland?

[MG42]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Do you think it’s better to take someone’s side? Or do you see your homeland as a kind of Eastern European Switzerland?

Here we must proceed from whether these two above-mentioned associations consider Ukraine a subject or an object. So far the status is a "buffer zone" and not Switzerland? Switzerland is guaranteed its status by the capital stored there, and not by its formidable army.
In Ukraine, no one keeps capital, and local oligarchs only take it out; for example, Akhmetov bought himself and, without hesitation, even registered the most expensive penthouse in London for $220 million / And the budget of the Ukrainian army for 2013 is slightly less than $2 billion.

[Thunderbolt]

MG42, it’s either black or white, you can’t sit around like a gray bunny in the grass. IMHO, of course. )

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

Alexander Nevsky helmet

Quote: RU_PATRIOT

helmet of the Moscow kings

You should have already decided Once again: the helmet is an eastern (most likely Iranian) Russian master, he just added Orthodox symbols to the already existing ornament and script. It was a common thing for those times, in general it was an everyday thing. I’ll tell you one secret : the famous Monomakh hat. An ordinary golden skull cap from Central Asia. It was only trimmed with sable furs. And there are a lot of such examples of borrowings. Not an argument )))

[Kaa]

Quote: Thunderbolt

.And there are a lot of such examples of borrowings

Medieval tuning, in a word. This is the same as proving that captured T-34s in the Wehrmacht were produced in Germany, and a bunch of German weapons and armored vehicles in the Red Army were produced in the Urals, respectively, based on the emblems applied to them...

[Scythian 35]

Egoza

Well, ZhZhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh


Zhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh
Baby! The last prince of Kyiv is Alexander Nevsky. But his children and grandchildren founded Moscow and the Moscow Principality. You need to learn history not from today's textbooks!


means Yuri Dolgoruky 1090s - May 15, 1157, Kyiv, the founder of Moscow turns out to be the grandson of Alexander Nevsky May 13, 1221[2], Pereslavl-Zalessky - November 14, 1263, Gorodets

SO YOU WANT TO SAY THAT GRANDFATHER WAS BORN 64 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS GRANDSON

Baby!!! you have fever!!! I strongly do not recommend that you write posts on the history of Russia, at least until the time when you go to the fourth grade and you begin to study such a science as the history of Russia.

It’s better to continue writing about the problems of sexual minorities in Europe!!!

[xan]

Quote: Sashko07

That's right, the heroes from Kyiv, Chernigov, Vladimir, Novgorod - this is the territory of present-day Ukraine and Belarus, the family from which I came, but who you northerners all came from, who knows?)))

Our northerners are precisely what made Russia great. And you and yours, as always, screwed everything up

[My address]

This is how you have to work to achieve such amazing results in Ukraine!
Even according to Western data, the average Ukrainian produces almost half as much gross product as a Belarusian. And if we also take into account Ukrainian inequality in the distribution of benefits? Similarly, according to the Human Development Index, Belarus is in 50th place, Ukraine is in 78th place, although Russia, with 55th place, is behind Belarus. By the way, the index is also calculated in the West, where they “love” us and Belarusians very much, unlike the Ukrainians.
Stunning results, especially from the point of view of economic geography, where Belarus is not rich in minerals (except potassium), soil, sea border, climate, etc.
After that, they quite seriously call Ukraine Ridna and Nenka, and we are to blame for everything! By the way, they were also to blame in the 90s, when they did not pay for gas at all, but instead stole the full amount of needs.
This is how it should work!

[aviamed90]

This is a dispute - who came from whom? Or about the cancellation of May 9 in Zapadenschina?

[a boat]

Quote: MG42

Quote: gych

I’m from Donbass, so they don’t think I’m a Westerner!

Donbass with the Icelandic flag?

Quote: gych

!If you want Crimea, come and try to take it! As in Georgia, you can’t get it! We’ll rip our throats out for ours, but we won’t give it up!

Ukraine may fall apart on its own, time will tell.

I didn’t install the flag, I have no idea why the flag is not of Ukraine. But as for the destruction, we’ll see! If only the police had given a free hand, this saint was hiding in dugouts in the forest and didn’t hold neo-Nazi parades

[Corsair]

Donbass is a proud word and is written with a capital letter.Fox you are painted and not a resident of this long-suffering region.
(Based on the fairy tale by I. Franko "Farming the Fox")
P / S:And you can continue to write the name of your state with a small letter...

[Sashko07]

Quote: Avenger711

Wait until they are crushed like bedbugs.

Are you planning on squeezing, you’ll be squeezing the pimples on your face, and these average Benders, by the way, train young people on a regular basis, physical training and everything else. You're running in the morning to recover from your hangover, and there's a guy running for a morning jog, you're sitting under the monitor in the evening, writing how you're going to crush everyone, and what the hell is going to the gym, the crush hasn't grown, or rather, you drank it away along with the country.

I in no way want to offend the Great Russian people, but I repeat once again - you fucked up the country in 91, exchanged it for clothes and Snickers and now you’re sitting on Ukraine, rolling another barrel as if this is the number one problem for all residents of Russia, you Aren't you funny?

[Setrac]

Quote: Sashko07

I in no way want to offend the Great Russian people, but I repeat once again - you fucked up the country in 91, exchanged it for clothes and Snickers and now you’re sitting on Ukraine, rolling another barrel as if this is the number one problem for all residents of Russia, you Aren't you funny?

Haven’t you wasted your country? Or was the Ukrainian SSR not part of the USSR? The standard of living in Russia has increased compared to the life of Russians in the USSR, the standard of living in the other former republics (almost all) has fallen. And who screwed up what?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Setrac

Haven’t you wasted your country? Or was the Ukrainian SSR not part of the USSR?

Not only that, if we take it at the time of the collapse of the USSR, then NOBODY from the entire composition had the BEST parameters for starting an independent economy. And the result of these two decades of independence?

[Corsair]

Quote: Misantrop

Not only that, if we take it at the time of the collapse of the USSR, then NOBODY from the entire composition had the BEST parameters for starting an independent economy. And the result of these two decades of independence?

Ukraine was a true diamond in the necklace of 15 republics. The opportunities for a breakthrough were significant, if not more. That’s where ALL POLYMERS really went missing...

[Setrac]

Quote: Corsair

Ukraine was a true diamond in the necklace of 15 republics. The opportunities for a breakthrough were significant, if not more. That’s where ALL POLYMERS really went missing...

The developed republic of the Ukrainian SSR separated from its sales market, supplier of resources and energy, the result is natural. The old sales markets (USSR) were lost, new ones (the European Union) were not acquired.

[shark]

Of course, I don’t want to run into negative things, but Sashko07 is right about something. We screwed up not the country, but most of the youth. Passive, woman-like eunuchs are what we have raised over these 20 years of democracy. There are, of course, real men, but in percentage terms. And the Benders keep themselves in good shape. This is precisely our main problem. And Ukraine is the tenth thing. Where will it go? First we need to put things in order in our heads

[Odissey]

Well, here it is, another step towards the territorial disintegration of Ukraine. And, what is most surprising, in order for this to happen, it is the Westerners - the most inveterate Ukrainian nationalists - who are doing everything. Perhaps out of stupidity and ambition, but what is more realistic is on purpose. The temptation is great to get rid of the ballast in the form of the pro-Russian population and rush to the EU and NATO. So that no one pulls to the East.

[traditions]

Everything will return to normal.
Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities!
So it was and it will be so!

[Mefodiy]

Quote: tradizia

Everything will return to normal.
Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities!
So it was and it will be so!

Also an option.... How long can Moscow command and teach everyone?

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: tradizia

Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities!

Who is the father then?

[Imperial]

Novgorod, and Rurik has never been to Kyiv.

[Setrac]

Quote: olegyurjewitch

olegyurjewitch (1) May 3, 2013 16:13 ↑
Quote: tradizia
Kyiv is the mother of Russian cities!
Who is the father then?

Actually, Kyiv is masculine, most likely the grandfather of Russian cities. What’s not clear? Odessa-mother, Rostov-father!

[Goldkonstantin]

There is only one day of mourning here - this is the day when Western Ukraine was included in the USSR. If this shit had stayed in Poland, maybe there would have been fewer problems. And today, seeing everything that these people do, you inevitably begin to understand that the Reichskommissariat Ukraine was not liquidated in 1944.

[Egoza]

Actually, the fish rots from the head. There will be no parade in Kyiv!!! There will be a party, a military orchestra will play music. Well, the “top” wreaths will be taken to the Eternal Flame (mandatory). It will be possible to see an exhibition of military equipment from the Second World War (actually, we have it in the open air all year round near the Second World War museum, but this time it will be like an event), then we’ll take a walk, We're walking - fireworks in the evening! ALL!!!
I understand that we won’t be able to show off the equipment at the parade (and where can we get new equipment), but surely the cadets’ boxes could be paraded in front of the veterans? However, maybe we can’t do that either. Cadets in Kyiv, mostly from the first year, live at home or in apartments, go to classes in the morning, where can they train before the parade! BUT at the same time - in Kharkov - there will be a parade, in Odessa - there will be a parade, in Kerch, Sevastopol - there will be! AND ONLY IN THE CAPITAL AND IN WESTERN UKRAINE - NO! Does this mean anything to you?

[a boat]

uv. if you downvote, explain it like that, otherwise it’s half-hearted to grin behind your back or you have a personal dislike for the Ukrainian people

[MG42]

Something is bothering you, comrade from Donbass with the flag of Iceland

[Captain]

Here is an article from a friendly resource about their diversity and existence :))
gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/04/blog-post_6511.html

[MG42]

Thank you +, very relevant.

[smile]

a boat
Fortunately, you are not the personification of the Ukrainians...you are their garbage and trouble...we love and respect the Ukrainians. and we sympathize with them very much, due to the fact that people like you are trying to turn Ukraine into a European garbage dump, and Ukrainians into cheap guest workers...

[Navuxonastupil]

Don't worry too much ahead of time! Everything will return to normal! We’ll return what’s needed, and we’ll send what’s left over to explore the permafrost along the established route!

[Tony tomahawk]

"Zapadentsi" come on, goodbye!
These “Westerners” - half-baked fascists disgrace themselves, their history and their country, and cast a shadow on normal Ukrainians, are already having bad thoughts, that the western part of Ukraine would separate and drown the hell in the EU and NATO, where they will only be happy for their mood, and the Eastern part, normally disposed towards friendship with Russia and respect for history and ancestors, has become part of the Russian Federation, Ukraine is generally not capable of being an independent state, there are too many fools and “Godfathers” in politics who do not even have the necessary education!
If we don’t have such sentiments in eastern Ukraine, we won’t allow them and we won’t let them pass!

[Restoration]

Oles Elder
How the Galicians destroyed Kievan Rus
In “Stories for Children of the School Age,” published in Lvov in 1934 and repeatedly reprinted in Canada, there is a charming picture “Kiev will be destroyed.” On it, bearded goblins in pointed helmets picturesquely cut, grab the patlas and rape the unfortunate Kievites. The heart bleeds.

But after reading the text under the picture, you begin to laugh sincerely - it turns out that they “ruined” in 1169, when no “she” yet existed in nature, and Moscow itself was barely registered on the pages of history. It was mentioned for the first time in the chronicles just twenty-two years earlier as a tiny town of the Suzdal prince Yuri Dolgoruky. In significance it was something like the current regional center. Therefore, writing that in 1169 “Kiev was ruined” is the same as suggesting that a gang of pig thieves from Kobelyak poses a danger to the capital of present-day Ukraine.

But somehow it was forgotten that in fact it was the Galicians who destroyed Kievan Rus - those same famous Roman and Danilo Galitsky and several other colorful personalities who preceded them. “Although the Ukrainian state did not disappear through the devastation of Kiev,” writes the already mentioned “History for Children...” “It continued for two hundred years. Only a few of the cores slipped in on the way out.”

What blatant Bandera nonsense! It is clear that for no reason at all the state cores are not moving. They are driven by historical figures. And usually with separatist intentions. In the XNUMXth century, Galich was precisely the core of local separatism.

This shouldn't be surprising. The Galicians differed from real Russians in everything - psychology, anthropological type and (most importantly!) non-Slavic origin.

Yes Yes! It is non-Slavic! Subconsciously, the natives of Western Ukraine are still aware of this. Even those who did not read anything at all - neither historical books, nor tear-off wall calendars. Anyone who communicated with the inhabitants of the Lviv or Ivano-Frankivsk regions knows the local expression - "racial Galician." “The yogi squad is a racial Galician!” - they will proudly tell you. Or: "Pan Zenik is a reference racial Galician." And they will point out to the swirling “Kurdupel” (in our opinion, a short-legged subchik) with ideological hysteria in his eyes.

[Restoration]

But if there is a definition, then there must be a phenomenon - some local Galician race. Simply put, a human breed that is not radically similar to Poltava or Chernihiv. So what did she get out of?

The answer can be found in any monograph on Slavic ethnogenesis.

At the turn of the old and new era, the Slavs in Galicia were not yet. It was inhabited by the bearers of the so-called "culture of the Carpathian mounds" - the Dacian tribe of carps. Ancient Dacians are the ancestors of today's Romanians and Moldavians. In the II century, under the emperor Trajan, the Romans conquered them, having founded the province of Dacia on the territory of present-day Romania.

But the conquerors did not reach the Carpathians themselves and Upper Transnistria. The poor local territories, inhabited by backward savages, simply did not interest the natives of Italy. They had enough fleece of their own, and it did not make sense to chase some goat-footed satyrs in the meadows for the sake of military glory. Dacian carps were left alone, giving them the opportunity to exist in their "culture of the Carpathian mounds."

This continued until the era of the Great Migration, when the Slavs began to infiltrate here from Volyn. In the XNUMXth–XNUMXth centuries, this part of the Dacians, having fallen under their rule, lost their language and switched to the Slavic dialect, naturally distorting it. From the Dacians who submitted to the Romans came the Romanians and Moldovans. And from those remnants who recognized the superiority of the Slavs are the current Galicians. Thus, it will not be an exaggeration to say that the Galicians are essentially Slavicized Moldovans.

“The historical path of the culture of the Carpathian kurgans,” says the “Old History of Ukraine” published in 1995 in Kiev, “by way of an illustration of the assimilation of old words by the Geto-Dacians. It is possible, in the most common manifestation, to glimpse the great causes of the freakishness of the words of ethnic groups, who live in the Carpathians. "

But why is it possible? Personally, looking at how the Hutsuls with their national tomahawks are jumping around the vatra, I have no doubt one bit about the reasons for this “self-determination”. The same Romanian-Moldavian (Geto-Dacian!) Melodies, the same hunchbacked non-Slavic faces, exactly the same captars embroidered with Carpathian tsatsk tsatskas inside. While they are silent, you cannot distinguish them from Moldavians at all!

The Carpathian lands came under the rule of Rus' late. At first, Kyiv competed for them with Poland. They competed with varying success, until at the end of the XNUMXth century Vladimir the Holy selected them as part of the so-called “Cherven cities”. Hence another name for Galicia – Chervonnaya Rus. Its capital, by the way, was not Galich at first, but Przemysl.

At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, an unusually harmful, dirty and successful prince settled here - a distant descendant of Vladimir the Saint, who was his great-great-great-grandson. He bore the name Vladimirko and, like Eugene Onegin, was “the heir of all his relatives.” They were not particularly resilient and died with enviable regularity. The greedy Vladimirko joyfully raked in their orphaned inheritances and soon turned out to be the most prominent prince in Galicia. Only the last relative, Prince Ivan of Zvenigorod, did not want to die. Then Vladimirko simply drove him from his place, forcing him to join the wandering robbers.

Having become the only prince of a large amount of land, Vladimirko moved his capital from Przemysl to Galich. He did this because Przemysl lay on the western border of Galicia, and Galich was strictly in the middle. From here it was easier to plunder controlled territories.

The further policy of this separatist was simple. Whoever established himself in Kyiv, he considered him his sworn enemy and, as best he could, he gnawed at the central government. In 1139, Vsevolod Olgovich became the prince of Kyiv. But Vladimirko did not consider him “a man” and pursued his line towards actual independence from the capital of Rus'.

[Restoration]

Vsevolod gathered a powerful coalition of princes, invited the Polovtsians to help and went on a campaign against the Galician separatist. Vladimirko could not resist such forces and lost the decisive battle near Przemysl. But he was so rich and cunning that he persuaded the Kyiv prince to make peace by paying 1400 hryvnia as a ransom (about 70 kg of silver). Having collected the “tax”, Vsevolod went to the capital, and Vladimirko went hunting.

Basically, he got off cheap. He had a lot of money. The Dnieper trade route was blocked by the Polovtsians, as a result of which Kyiv gradually weakened. But the Galicians controlled all trade along the Dniester, getting incredibly rich in transit between Byzantium and Western Europe.

But Vladimirko was so greedy that his own boyars hated him. And that hunt almost became fatal for him. While the parasitic prince was chasing a wild animal somewhere near Tismenitsa, the Galician nobility slowly transferred power to his cousin - Ivan Berladnik - the same tenacious relative whom Vladimirko had once removed from his inheritance.

The usurper returned from hunting and found the gates of Galich locked. Supporters of the hostile party cackled joyfully on the walls. But Vladimirko stubbornly fought for his “job.” The only thing he knew how to do was collect waste from merchants sailing along the Dniester. How could he allow himself to be deprived of such a lucrative profession?

The siege lasted three weeks. Finally, on Maslenitsa 1145, the rogue prince regained his beloved city and, as the author of the Ipatiev Chronicle writes, “entering Galich, he chopped down many people, and executed others with cruel execution.” In other words, his warriors distinguished themselves both during the assault and as a result of the deliberate repressions that followed.

It is incredibly difficult to follow the logic of events in the mid-XNUMXth century. Moreover, describe it in line with at least some historical concept. In essence, Rus' was simply an accumulation of demoralized people, which was divided by princes from the proliferating Rurik family. After all, all these Vladimirkas, Vsevolods, Ivan Berladniks are, although distant, relatives. All of them are descendants of Grand Duke Vladimir the Saint. But there is not enough land for them, since each leaves numerous heirs. The permanent civil war between the princes turns simply into a fact of everyday life - the same as rain, slush and death of livestock. The gentlemen are fighting - the men's forelocks are cracking.

[Restoration]

But this murky chaos certainly does not fit into the “Ukrainians against it” scheme! It doesn’t fit in, if only because the best ally of the Galician Vladimir in the fight against Kyiv becomes the Suzdal Yuri Dolgoruky. Yes Yes! The same “founder of Moscow” thrice cursed by the authors of countless stories for children.

Their partnership is so strong that Yuri Dolgoruky even gives his daughter for his son Vladimir - Yaroslav Osmomysl. Two provincial princes are cementing a villainous alliance against Kyiv with family ties!

And in Kyiv there is a new sovereign - the grandson of Vladimir Monomakh - Izyaslav. First he defeats Suzdal Yuri, and then Galician Vladimir. And he breaks it up so that he is ready for anything, for any ransom. If only his life was spared. He even begs Izyaslav’s ally, the Hungarian king Geiza, to put in a good word for himself. “Ask the king,” he tells his ambassadors. “Let him not hand me over to Izyaslav.”

The cunning Galician also sends an embassy to Izyaslav with the words: “Brother! I bow to you and repent for my guilt, because I am to blame. Now, brother, take me to you and forgive me...” And, oddly enough, the rogue is forgiven once again! Everyone sits down to feast in the tent of the Hungarian king, and a messenger is sent to Vladimir with a cross, which he kisses in joy, swearing to be forever devoted to the Kyiv prince. According to the terms of the peace, he must return all the cities captured from the people of Kiev and recognize himself as an eternal vassal of Izyaslav.

But as soon as the troops go home, Vladimirko forgets about the kiss of the cross. The Ipatiev Chronicle preserved a moralizing story about the Kiev boyar Peter Borislavich, who reminded the Galician separatist of the broken oath: “To the prince! You kissed the cross!” In response, Vladimirko only replied sarcastically: “This little cross? Get out of here and go to your prince!”

But as soon as Pyotr Borislavich left the prince’s court, Vladimirka suffered from paralysis. "Oh! – that’s all the oathbreaker had time to say, leaving the Church of the Savior, where he held vespers. “Someone hit me in the shoulder.” And he collapsed exhausted. That same evening the sly man died.

The frightened Yaroslav Osmomysl returned the Kyiv ambassador and confirmed his dependence on the capital city. God's miracle delayed the collapse of Rus' by half a century. But after the death of Yaroslav Osmomysl and the suppression of his family, the new dynasty of Galician princes again raised the banner of struggle against Kyiv.
Buzina O. "The Secret History of Ukraine - Rus'"

[Opera]

Quote: Sashko07

I in no way want to offend the Great Russian people, but I repeat once again - you fucked up the country in 91, exchanged it for clothes and Snickers and now you’re sitting on Ukraine, rolling another barrel as if this is the number one problem for all residents of Russia, you Aren't you funny?

A very polite and well-mannered person! Before saying something nasty, I will definitely remind you - I don’t want to offend! The main thing is, do you know what’s in this post?! And here's what -

Quote: Sashko07

you fucked up the country in '91

Those. YOU are to blame! The author clearly separates himself from the “culprits”! Well, it’s our fault, it’s up to us to correct it!

Quote: Sashko07

and there’s a guy running for a morning jog, you’re sitting under the monitor in the evening writing about how you’re going to crush everyone, and what the hell’s dick is going to the gym, the crush hasn’t grown back, or rather, you drank it away along with the country.

Cool this guy Sashko! And again, it doesn’t offend anyone! So Sashko, I see you obviously sympathize with this Bendery, as you call them! Well then, run with them! This is generally a very useful sport for you and Bender! And you call them that in your own way, DUDES! Run guys, run...

[Setrac]

Quote: Oper

This is generally a very useful sport for you and Bender! And you call them that in your own way, DUDES! Run guys, run...

The blacks over there also run well, but the whites shoot better (I’ll paraphrase).

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Oper

Those. YOU are to blame! The author clearly separates himself from the “culprits”! Well, it’s our fault, it’s up to us to correct it!

Yeah, we’ll fix it, first all the debts were paid for them after the collapse of the USSR, and now it’s edoro again? No, it’s not us who will fix it, but the Ukrainians themselves, the people will figure out where the YIN is and where the YANG is.

[Sashko07]

Quote: Egoza

Baby! The last prince of Kyiv is Alexander Nevsky. But his children and grandchildren founded Moscow and the Moscow Principality. You need to learn history not from today's textbooks!
By the way, in ancient times there was KIEVAN Rus'! But they haven’t heard anything about Kyiv Ukraine!

But what does it have to do with who was the last, the main thing is who was the first, who created this very Kievan Rus, and who ruled it for many centuries, and what cities and states were created thanks to Kievan Rus, what does ukry not ukry have to do with it, I don’t care what they were called and what we call ourselves now, the most important thing is that they are Slavs. But the fact that people living on the territory of Ukraine are descendants of that Great Rus' is a fact.

[Setrac]

Quote: Sashko07

But the fact that people living on the territory of Ukraine are descendants of that Great Rus' is a fact.

There is an opinion that the ancient states (that we know) were invented by historians, the real history begins from the 12-15th century.

[xan]

Quote: Sashko07

But the fact that people living on the territory of Ukraine are descendants of that Great Rus' is a fact.

What are you proud of, alternative, that your ancestors inherited a great country, and they ruined it?

[JIaIIoTb]

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%EA%F0%E0%E8%ED%F6%FB

[shark]

There have never been ukros like this. This is an invention of Ukrainian historians. I really want to get separate roots from the Russians. With all due respect to the Ukrainian people, this is so.

[Steering wheel]

Quote: vladsolo56

the division of Ukraine took place de facto

What division are you writing about? Think logically about who needs this paid show and why. The influence of Kyiv on the security forces in Western Ukraine is maximum and, if you want, it’s a piece of cake to get hold of the regional councils in which businessmen with black cash desks sit. In 1991, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and other administrative structures in Western Ukraine were not filled with misguided nationalists, but mostly Russians, Jews, and partly other nationalities. With the collapse of the USSR, the main financial and other assets in Western Ukraine, as well as throughout Ukraine, were seized by two main groups - the post-Soviet one (which was dominated by Russian speakers) and the Jewish one. And there is still a struggle between them. The Jewish mafia group led by Kolomoisky and the PRIVAT group began actively squeezing capital and fixed assets from the post-Soviet, and one of the main assets of the group is the Ukrainian nationalists financed by them. The post-Soviet group, in turn, plays the role of defenders of all Russian-speaking people and uses them in the fight against the Jewish six nationalists. HERE IS THE SHOW ON MAY 9 FROM HERE. THESE TWO MAFIAs AND THEIR SHIsters HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH EITHER UKRAINIANS OR RUSSIANS - AND THERE IS NO DIVISION BETWEEN US.

[Baboon]

For me, if you don’t want to celebrate yourself, no one forces you, so why bother others? For some, this is truly a holiday, a person rejoices. It’s also possible in terms of religion, I’m not a Muslim, so I don’t mind that Muslims celebrate their holidays. Or I see sometimes visitors from the republics of Central Asia can have their own state. celebrate holidays, but I don’t care at all, I just pass by without disturbing. So here too, who is still alive, who remembers their ancestors, why bother them? Nationalists always surprise me: they immediately put on Nazi uniforms, but why not wear historical national clothes? What kind of nationalist does this turn out to be, then? More like a Nazi.

[Blackky]

Quote: Babon

For some it's really a holiday

All that remains is to find out for whom. However, May 9 is not a holiday, but mourning and victory day. Day of victory of the Soviet Union over people and common sense.

[MG42]

Quote: Blackky

However, May 9 is not a holiday, but mourning and victory day. Day of victory of the Soviet Union over people and common sense.

Where do you get such identical avatars, the yellow face of a troll, so that you can immediately stand out?

[Baboon]

Is everything familiar that you opened a new account? Why are you pestering me with a scoop? I haven’t seen the USSR, so don’t write, I have my own opinion, I saw it with my own eyes, I won’t listen to others.

[stranik72]

There are no serious reasons for the collapse of Ukraine, i.e. there must be at least 2 real forces within the country that wanted this, and a serious sponsor from overseas. I think everything is much more prosaic, “Westerners” should come to power in the country, and all the power, legislative and political, and the task of the “world government” will be solved, an extremely unfriendly Russophobic state will appear on the border of Russia. And our local authorities are not very opposed to this, they are trying to do everything “by the rules”, only those who are “global” do everything according to the rules, they need to overthrow the authorities, they need to kill the state. So we (the authorities) need to decide on priorities, look for “our” people and parties and support them financially, politically and with all other methods necessary to achieve our goals, non-violent to a certain extent, although it is time for some leaders of unfriendly movements to “get sick” ".

[Opera]

Quote: Sashko07

But the fact that people living on the territory of Ukraine are descendants of that Great Rus' is a fact.

And the dudes - whose descendants are Bender?
And then enlighten us, and who are the Russians and Belarusians living outside Ukraine, their descendants, who are your descendants?

[Billy Bones]

Not surprising. The descendants of Hitler's lackeys mourn the collapse of Nazi Germany.

[Makarov]

Author, don't be stupid. How can the Ministry of Foreign Affairs recognize the official presence on the territory of the country of a party of neo-Nazis who are present in Parliament? This is a serious accusation on the part of Poland, which can have serious consequences, and in order to ensure that no one sticks their nose into our internal politics, the ministry had to defend these (unprintable word)....

[Apologet.Ru]

I will not tire of repeating that VO “Svoboda” is the last of the Nazi bastards from the SS from parts of the fascist guards of Galicia, punitive mercenaries from the Nachtigal battalion and the Bandera population friendly to the troops of the Third Reich, speaking under the slogan “There is no God but Bandera, and Tyagnibok is his prophet.” And the so-called Western Ukraine - Galicia has never been Ukraine - learn history! Until 1939, it was a ghetto in Europe (in fact, it did not even have its own industry, however, as now) and a litter for Poland, Austria, Hungary and Nazi Germany. If it weren’t for the Soviet Union with the “Yami” in 1939, which made it possible for it to exist and be called Western Ukraine as such, and its inhabitants - Ukrainians (!), then these Europes would still be sucked off and would be proud of it! And even now they mostly plow as guest workers with nostalgia. Throughout their history they fought against Kievan Rus, the Ukrainian Cossacks and Orthodoxy, therefore, in fact, they have no right to be called Ukrainians - rather an “Austro-Hungarian-Polish-fascist agglomerate” like the “eternal Jew”. When the Galician ruling elite speaks about the “unity” of Ukraine, one should be aware that they mean unconditional surrender to the ideas of Bandera, the SS “Galicia”, Russophobia, and outright nationalist totalitarianism. Her burning, animal hatred of the Great Ukrainian multiethnic and multilingual culture is extremely reminiscent of the behavior of the Pol Pot regime, which destroyed the ancient culture of Kampuchea and its bearers, turning the country into a large concentration camp in which the Khmer Rouge was killed with hoes for suspicion of “sympathy for an alien culture.”

[Tatarus]

gladiatorakz (4) UA April 30, 2013 19:47 ↑

Quote: Tatarus
Well, I’ve been looking for you. Thank you for getting out. I am not against the Ukrainian people, I am against what the Ukrainian authorities are doing to them. And you seem to be out of this power and creep out. They themselves showed and punished. Yes you are a genius

Well this is what the hell you have to do to immediately offend the WHOLE Ukrainian people, and then write that I am not against it. Everything is clear with you balobol. You would be crowing on another site.
It is not clear another. As this is a comment where people abusively offend no one has deleted. And my answer scum so removed twice. And a warning was issued. Question: what is the meaning of permanent anti-Ukrainian articles? Do they achieve their goal? If the goal is to scold the Russians with the Ukrainians, then yes. Then it’s logical to support people like this villain. Where is this way? gladiatorakz

Well, where is this thing that tried to smear me with its snot? (Article “What can Russophobic sentiments lead to in Ukraine”). Why isn’t IT tearing up the ass of the Ukrainian people now? It seems to me that he was a sent Cossack?
But these are emotions.
And now EMOTIONS.

Lviv has not been the city of lions for a long time.
And alas, hyenas rule in it.
And they pray to the gay gods.
But Rus' will come. Open the veins.

[Blackky]

Quote: Tatarus

What kind of devil do you have to be to immediately insult the ENTIRE Ukrainian people?

At least by me.
Ukraine is not a country, Ukrainians are not a nation.

[estray]

I have long wanted to ask forum members from Ukraine. How would you feel about the fact that then in the early 90s the Ukrainian SSR would secede from the USSR without the acquired territories with their further self-determination?
PS I understand perfectly well that history cannot be rewritten.

[Hudo]

Estray, what do you understand by acquired territories?

[Imperial]

Guys! I really don’t want to see “osrach” on our website. A couple or three provocateurs are trying to quarrel with us. I repeat in IGNOR - bastards. Yes, maybe the admins will hear and introduce the “spam” function, when several forum members, say from 5 to 10, spam a comment, then it disappears like wax melting from the face of fire, so let the demons perish on behalf of those who love Brotherhood and Motherland.

[Blackky]

Quote: Imperial

enrage

Did reptilians grab the letter Y?

[Imperial]

Psalm 67, read in the original, and maybe the orange crocodiles will stop flying under your window.

[estray]

Quote: Hudo

Estray, what do you understand by acquired territories?

I’m talking about those territories that were given to Ukraine just before the war.

[Hudo]

Personally, I believe that if there were no lands included in Ukraine under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, there would be no talk of any secession from the USSR (1991).

[Restoration]

It’s a paradox - Stalin shot thousands of communists who were objectionable to the regime, but Bandera’s men who fought against the Red Army were pardoned and most of them returned home, where they raised a new generation of Tyagniboks.

[Pagan13]

Quote: Blackky

Ukraine is not a country, Ukrainians are not a nation.

Ukraine is an independent country. Well, I don’t know about the nation, just if you delve into history, our nation was destroyed by various genocides, famines and serfdom by Poland, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and other states at different (!) times.

[Baboon]

You're not entirely right. Your nation was not destroyed, but formed, and by historical standards not so long ago. Just under the influence of all countries. which you listed and the Ukrainian nation was formed. So that you don’t feel offended, study the map of Ukraine, before the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. Half of the current territory of Ukraine was not considered Ukraine before this world. So, I can write something like this about the territory of Ukraine. I respect both Ukrainians and Ukraine. Just don’t deny the commonality of roots.

[a boat]

Quote: Blackky

Quote: Tatarus

What kind of devil do you have to be to immediately insult the ENTIRE Ukrainian people?

At least by me.
Ukraine is not a country, Ukrainians are not a nation.

then you are not a person! you are a burp of society!

[Pagan13]

I’m wondering who is voting against? This is the true truth, and it’s impossible to sit and wait while someone insults my country and nation!!! I understand that these messages provoke someone, but you yourself provoke me and others who have a different opinion about this. So think when you say something painful!

[Blackky]

Quote: Pagan13

So think when you say something painful!

Sala up and calm down.

[a boat]

Quote: xan

Quote: gych

We will tear our throats out for ours, but we will not give it up!

it's not yours, you're an occupier there
the earth will burn under you.
Found someone to scare, Icelander

Read more carefully, I’m from Ukraine! And what lands did Ukraine occupy? As for the occupation of the territory, who would say!

[wk]

Quote: gych

and what lands Ukraine occupied

Ukraine has occupied the Russian Crimea since 1954.

[Baboon]

No need to go too far, it didn’t occupy it, Khrushchev handed it over to them. To be fair, we must say thank you to Hunchback with EBN. When the union treaty was terminated, it was necessary to raise the issue of terminating the agreement on the transfer of Crimea. But no, everything was signed anyway. They only thought about personal gain. Sevastopol was generally considered a special territory (i.e., de facto it was not part of Crimea. Well, everything was signed by our presidents. For this alone they have already erected a monument. It was not yet the topic when the troops were withdrawn from Germany. Kohl came to Gorbaty, in fact , with payoffs (who would withdraw a strong group of troops for free?) he was ready to pay us, remove the troops at the expense of German companies, and German construction companies also obliged to build housing for all military personnel. Well, Gorbi said nothing was needed. Kolya’s hair stood on end (fact) But as a result, tens of thousands of military personnel lived, it’s not clear where, and the equipment, it’s also not clear where it was located.

[Phoenix-D]

The Hungarian city of Khust, which historically was never Ukrainian, is occupied by Ukraine)