American observer: Until the Russian Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist

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The US is trying to understand why Russia is building a base for its submarine nuclear drones, also called "doomsday torpedoes" in the United States. They wonder if these devices are real weapons or created for propaganda purposes.

American arms expert David Ax argues on this topic in an article published by Forbes magazine.



In the US press, the Russian unmanned aerial vehicle Poseidon was called a "dirty bomb submarine" that will travel from the Russian coast to the American coast for two whole days.

From material with a hint of an American punch:

Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.

If we consider the issue from the point of view of the West, which claims that Moscow has aggressive plans, then in this case the creation of a robotic Poseidon will seem absurd. But Russia does not consider these devices to be offensive weapons, but positions them as a means of deterrence. They are necessary for the enemy to understand the inevitability of retaliation if he suddenly decides to attack.

The author asks the question: why do we need a slow and vulnerable submarine with an atomic bomb on board, if there are thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads? Moreover, it is planned to produce only 30 of them, because this can hardly be called mass production.

Owen Cote of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has suggested that by making several dozen Poseidons, Russia is creating the illusion of something significant and trying to produce a frightening effect, spending only a few billion dollars on it.
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  1. 0
    22 January 2021 02: 22
    Well, actually, this weapon, like the Perimeter, is precisely for the case when Russia ceases to exist.
  2. 0
    22 January 2021 03: 58
    Is he really an “expert”? or another chatterbox. It is necessary, Comrade Ex, to at least think a little about strategy, and not hang “spaghetti” on the ears of your people.
  3. +1
    22 January 2021 04: 23
    By the time Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist." A strange argument.
    1 Poseidon is launched from submarines stationed off the coast of the United States.
    2 What about our base in Cuba?
    Surely all 30 pieces will be located there. And what two days are we talking about? In my opinion, the author is not friendly with geography. Although all of America is like this
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  6. vmo
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    22 January 2021 07: 35
    another psaki, where they find such specialists, but this is a settlement of “great” opportunities. Naive or people with powdered brains.
  7. 0
    22 January 2021 08: 39
    A stupid person doesn’t understand that Poseidon is not a weapon of the first strike, but a weapon of retaliation. And in this capacity he has nowhere to rush.
  8. 0
    22 January 2021 09: 47
    Well, the Perimeter System works on the same principle, it’s not an offensive weapon, but a defensive one, it will still strike a potential enemy, even if there is no one to activate it.
  9. 0
    22 January 2021 10: 15
    They talk so boldly. And at this moment they let moisture into their pants. And why because they are scared that Russia has such weapons.
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  11. 0
    22 January 2021 11: 46
    Not everyone in the USA is weak-minded. The smartest ones sit in corporations regulating the oxygen of disobedient countries using non-military methods and very successfully. But I want to make an idiot out of an enemy, of which there are plenty everywhere. If only we had a mustache, we wouldn’t have to beg for loans or technology. Moreover, the Kiev coup scenario would not have come true, and no demonstrations would have gathered in Minsk.
    Let's see how many will come out to protest in defense of Leshik-Lenin on Saturday.
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  13. 0
    22 January 2021 12: 39
    The arithmetic and meaning here are very simple, this American, making such a statement, either simply does not understand who will cease to exist earlier and who later, or he understands everything and makes this statement out of anger and fear. 30 Poseidons each cost 100 Megatons (on Malaya Zemlya they detonated a Tsar bomb of 50 Megatons, and all the diapers in American pharmacies were immediately sold out), and now let’s look at the final result after our death, two days later. 15 torpedoes reach the East Coast of the USA and another 15 West Coast, an explosion follows at a distance of 10 km from the coast, cobalt-infected waves 500 meters high cover both coasts and demolish all cities, bases, infrastructure to a depth of 20-30 km, and all this after our response counter strike from the Strategic Missile Forces. That's it, the end of all questions about what it costs.
    1. 0
      22 January 2021 20: 12
      It has already been said that a maximum of 1 Mton fits into Poseidon, so alas... you can forget about the crushing tsunami
  14. 0
    22 January 2021 13: 44
    Oh...Did I read that correctly? Americans claim that they believe in Poseidon? Believes because it is absurd?)
    ZY Sow the Don....Maybe we didn't understand the name correctly?
  15. +1
    22 January 2021 14: 25
    First, convert the software from 8" floppy disks to at least 3.5", and then we'll measure it. Yes
    1. 0
      23 January 2021 19: 45
      Comrade! The main thing is that they won’t fuck you with ANYTHING, but that they JUST FUCK YOU - at least 3,5", at least 8". At one time, “Buran”, with a wooden, in comparison with the American, element base and 15 (!) kB of RAM, automatically landed on the runway, deviating from its axis by 1,5 meters.
  16. 0
    22 January 2021 14: 52
    The exceptional ones still do not understand the essence of retribution - it is inevitable... and who will be luckier Vasya from Voronezh, who burned in a second, or Californian John dying in agony from radiation, that’s the question
  17. Aag
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    22 January 2021 15: 03
    Quote: Bearded
    Quote: nnm
    Not that word. You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone. And most importantly - well, they will live for a day - two longer, and then what?
    And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.

    Depending on the power of the charges installed on the Poseidons. If megaton charges are installed on the Poseidons, and they are detonated under water at a depth, or better in the area of ​​ocean trenches, then the formed megatsunami will wash the US coast into the sea to a depth of 500-1000 km. This is the idea of ​​Academician Sakharov. More than half of the population lives on the US coast. In the event of war, the Poseidons will reset this population.

    I will say unequivocally for myself, I was not a witness to nuclear weapons, especially underwater ones. But a number of sources say that not everything is so simple. Try not to repost existing stereotypes, but to literally “get to the bottom of it,” question it, double-check it, every word... I assure you, the conclusions will be different... (this is about the depopulation of the population USA).
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  19. 0
    22 January 2021 15: 17
    Those. in his opinion, we only have Poseidons in service?
  20. 0
    22 January 2021 16: 11
    They're jittery!
  21. 0
    22 January 2021 16: 22
    For them this is “just a few billion dollars”, but for us it’s just another cutting project, the money spent on which could be spent on something real, for example, on the purchase of normal torpedoes for submarines, instead of junk from the 80s
  22. 0
    22 January 2021 16: 41
    “Poseidon will reach the shores of the United States and strike,” and in this he is absolutely right!
  23. 0
    22 January 2021 17: 42
    Well, the level of Expertise is already clear. No brains even spent the night there and the concept of weapons of deterrence was not studied either. Because if he had studied this, he would have realized that it doesn’t matter when and how it reaches the target country, and it doesn’t matter whether the owner’s country will exist by that time, it won’t save the target country. It is this simple conclusion that stops real military personnel from the ideas generated by such brainless Experts.
  24. 0
    22 January 2021 19: 09
    Is the Tang warrior threatening? What, fat-assed 3,14dor doesn’t understand that “Poseidon” is in many ways a “weapon of retaliation”? “Greetings from the other world,” so to speak?
  25. 0
    22 January 2021 19: 30
    The Poseidons will simply clear the area after the missile strike. To be sure. In general, even if they are only thirty at once. Such a tsunami would cleanse the entire coastline of the Star Ones.
  26. 0
    22 January 2021 19: 38
    The idea of ​​"Poseidon" belongs to Nobel Peace Prize laureate A.D. Sakharov. Read his "Memoirs". The peacemaker is still the same.
  27. 0
    22 January 2021 20: 21
    I will briefly summarize what I read and add my opinion: The launch of a rocket is determined instantly, the launch of Poseidon is not, so it may well be a weapon of FIRST STRIKE and a sudden one, which is why the Yankees are really shitting! Its power is really exaggerated by the majority, it’s just ANOTHER INSTRUMENT OF WAR. And no one will fight on a large scale, the World Government also wants to live - this is ONE.TWO - after the mutual destruction of the Russian Federation and the USA, the beneficiaries will be CHINA, JAPAN, NATO and England. WE don't need this with America!!! And this is the main point.
    P.S. But a disarming blow is coming to us, with our Government it is possible, you will wake up in the morning, if you wake up, and on TV the president with an apologetic face will say, Well, we couldn’t, we couldn’t...
  28. 0
    22 January 2021 21: 04
    After all, this American had to write about something, popularization of the army, politics, etc. Spoiled people. It's okay if you make a desert there.
  29. 0
    22 January 2021 21: 46
    In Hollywood in 1972, the film "The Adventures of Poseidon" was filmed. The outstanding American comedian Leslie Nielsen played the role of the captain of a dying steamship.
    Soon, apparently, the Americans will film a “sequel” called “The Search for Poseidon.” The scenario is simple: for two days, glorious American sailors, against the backdrop of a smoking 1/6th of the land, search the oceans and seas for three “dirty submarines” “Poseidon” released from already lost Russia. They will find it, of course, in the person of B. Willis or Butler. And, finally, America will heal, swimming like cheese in butter. In my opinion, it is crazy when people believe in a reality invented by someone. Or cannibalism, when they want to destroy hundreds of millions of people in the name of their own wallet.
  30. 0
    22 January 2021 22: 51
    The submarine is just a backup option just in case.
  31. 0
    23 January 2021 01: 22
    Well, well... And who said that these "Poseidons" should wait for American missile launches and their other unfriendly attempts... and then rush from their bases to the shores of the United States??!
    They may well be on discreet watch (quietly dozing at the bottom) somewhere in Hudson Bay... and wait for a signal... wink
  32. 0
    23 January 2021 02: 16
    Quote: nnm
    And most importantly - well, they will live a day or two longer, and then what?

    They'll throw a feast.
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  34. 0
    23 January 2021 03: 24
    When Poseidon reaches the shores of America, it will be too late - in place of the USA there will be a deep strait between Canada and Mexico...
  35. 0
    23 January 2021 03: 31
    The USA can no longer do anything! They can only throw propaganda canards! Moreover, to intimidate the banana republics, and even then not all of them! They can slam the door, but they are not suicides!
  36. 0
    23 January 2021 06: 39
    Why do we need a slow and vulnerable submarine with an atomic bomb on board if there are thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads? Moreover, it is planned to produce only 30 of them, because this can hardly be called mass production.


    Well, first of all, everyone knows the expression about “...... crept up unnoticed”, which is exactly what the “slow” “Poseidon” implements in practice. Only it is slow for missiles that fly outside the underwater environment, but for underwater anti-torpedoes that must counteract it very fast and the depth to which it can dive is unattainable.
    As for the “thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads,” they are all detected by early warning systems of our potential enemy from the first seconds of their launch, the bulk of which (before their mass replacement with “Avangard” and “Sarmat”) the main part of the route (before disengagement by individual warheads) fly along a predicted ballistic trajectory and can hypothetically be shot down.

    So the main thing here is not speed, but the percentage of inevitability of retribution to all the exceptional of this world.
  37. 0
    23 January 2021 10: 19
    Even ordinary submarines manage to miss detection because they are low-noise. But what can we say about an underwater drone, which is much smaller than a regular submarine? Let them first find it under the ocean, and then declare that the Russian Federation will be destroyed by the time the drone reaches it!
  38. 0
    23 January 2021 11: 36
    Woke up! "There are wondering whether ..." Is not! There is no "Poseidon" from the word at all. Since the spring of 2019, the Ministry of Defense has been silent about them. Over the previous two years, there was a lot (a lot) of noise, but it ended with information about the successful test of a nuclear power plant. And so for the summer of 2019, the Ministry of Defense appointed sea trials. Since then, silence. Since then, only unofficial and foreign media have occasionally returned to this issue. Yes, there was also a mention of the creation of the Poseidon carrier, having adapted for this one of the reserve submarines. But, is it worth discussing the wearable if there is no wearable? I understand foreigners. This silence worries them. There was so much noise, and suddenly nothing. This silence was broken only by one unpleasant (for us) event in the summer of 2019:
    "Interfax: On August 8, an explosion occurred at the test site near Nyonoksa in the Arkhangelsk region. The Ministry of Defense announced the death of two people. Rosatom then reported the deaths of five more. The state corporation clarified that the explosion occurred on an offshore platform during a test of a new missile with a radioisotope power source. In the area of ​​the explosion, shipping was prohibited. Residents of the region began to worry and buy iodine. "
    But this is not Poseidon, but a "rocket with a radioisotope power source." Nothing about the Poseidons. And the Americans are worried about it. So they throw in such little articles to revive the information environment, and to catch in this environment any information about this project. And the blogosphere comes alive.
  39. 0
    23 January 2021 11: 37
    Let's exchange blows already)))) And the idiots, both ours and theirs, will continue to fart through sites about mutual destruction and imaginary victories!
  40. 0
    23 January 2021 13: 28
    "Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist."
    But when Poseidon reaches the USA, the USA will definitely cease to exist. Greetings from Paradise, and Ov's puppeteers burn in Hell!
  41. 0
    23 January 2021 14: 59
    Our Poseidon is already in the Americans' ass! They just don't notice it!
  42. 0
    23 January 2021 14: 59
    Well, not only is there “Poseidon”, there is also “Zeus”, who will throw lightning even before Poseidon. How naive the Pentagon is after Ronald Reagan’s statements about his “star wars.” After all, what the Americans failed to do, the Russians do better than them. What Russia can do is not a secret, but State secret is where, how and how much is available. And I am sure that Russia has all the means except bacteriological and biological weapons because the Russian mentality is not insidious like that of the United States!
  43. 0
    23 January 2021 15: 26
    Preparations for such a large-scale war can be detected by indirect signs months before the start (these are hundreds of major events at US bases and territories). Therefore, all naval bases and decision-making centers (including villas with Rockefeller nuclear shelters, etc. in New Zealand, Australia, and other warm places) will receive Poseidons on duty within 10 minutes.
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  45. 0
    23 January 2021 15: 30
    A completely stupid boast from an American columnist. Firstly, such destruction of Russia will require the use of nuclear weapons, which means that all US satellites will be covered in radiation ash, i.e. Residents of NATO countries will face a painful death, although they will not have to wait long for it. Secondly, the destruction of Russia in the American scenario does not cancel the destruction of the United States, because Poseidons will reach the shores of America, and rockets launched by automatic machines from the depths of the taiga, Arctic regions and God knows what other points, the rockets will still reach the American continent. The stupidity of the Americans lies in the fact that they still hope to be winners in a nuclear war with the modern development of weapons and the existing nuclear warheads, both in the United States and in Russia.
  46. 0
    23 January 2021 16: 04
    For the United States, nuclear strikes are instantaneous and costless. Let them be nationally secure, save money and democratize even more democratically.
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  48. 0
    23 January 2021 16: 49
    A strange “expert”, to be honest... Something seems to me that this “expert” works as a furniture assembler in the suburbs of Detroit... Otherwise, he would have known that:
    1. “Poseidon” does not sail from continent to continent on its own, but is delivered closer to the target on board a special nuclear submarine.
    2. Since Soviet times, Soviet submarines have been on combat duty in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans in close proximity to the US coast. This tradition continues today, it’s just that the number of submarines has become smaller. Thus, if necessary, a Poseidon dropped from a Russian nuclear submarine, for example, 500 km from the US coast, will reach its target in just 2,5 hours.
    3. Unlike missiles, Poseidon-type weapons are extremely difficult to detect and even more difficult to destroy. At a speed of 200 km/h, not a single Poseidon torpedo will catch up, and hitting a projectile moving at such a speed with a missile, say, at a depth of 50 meters, is an unattainable task; such weapons simply do not exist.
    4. As I understand it, the main task of Poseidon is to attack enemy naval bases and their infrastructure in order to deprive the enemy of logistics support, repair bases, docks, and related engineering structures. It is possible that 30 pieces will be just enough for the number of US naval bases on both coasts. “Caliber”, “Bulava” and “Sarmaty” will handle the rest. After them, the infantry and landing forces will finish everything with ordinary bayonet knives and sapper shovels.
    5. In my opinion, a very smart move, i.e. methods of destruction are diversifying. In the direction where some of the missiles are shot down, Poseidon will do its job. Where "Poseidon" will not pass, "Caliber" will pass. Where "Calibers" and "Poseidon" will not pass, "Bulava" will pass.... Where Poseidons, mace and calibers will not pass, Sarmat will pass.
    6. If I were the arrogant Saxons, I would be a little quieter in my attempts to knock down those who have won all the wars for a millennium....
  49. 0
    23 January 2021 19: 03
    "Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist."

    He's stupid.
    The Poseidons are already located in close proximity to the coast of the United States and are awaiting commands to attack.
    And they will be at the detonation point on the shores of the United States in a matter of minutes.
  50. 0
    23 January 2021 19: 26
    "By the time the Russian Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist"
    And who said that Poseidons will launch AFTER the start of hostilities? Naive black Americans! “Poseidons” will peacefully graze on bottom algae along the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of America, periodically moving to the nearest fresh pasture and looking at the endless battles between Democrats and Republicans. And when “something goes wrong,” they will commit simultaneous hara-kiri for themselves, showing the above-mentioned coasts what a real artificial tsunami is! And it will become clear whether the produced Poseidons will be enough or not.
  51. 0
    23 January 2021 21: 33
    Isn’t Sakharov’s idea accidentally sunk there off the coast of the USA? However, the radio signal will travel faster
  52. 0
    23 January 2021 23: 16
    It would be more likely already! Otherwise, the power engineers and gas workers are ahomeli! But the assholes will die first!
  53. 0
    24 January 2021 09: 16
    How brave, let them try the Khan along the entire coast of the USA, and finish off the rest with other missiles!
  54. 0
    24 January 2021 10: 04
    "Poseidon" is needed for a control shot!
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  56. 0
    24 January 2021 12: 56
    Quote: zwlad
    You will have to finish off the enemy with conventional weapons

    Those. as usual, we’ll use the MPL-50 and kill everyone. lol
  57. 0
    24 January 2021 16: 20
    But “Poseidon” will still reach the shores of America, and then you will receive retribution for the destruction of Russia, as you claim. Your joy will be premature.
  58. 0
    24 January 2021 17: 53
    In addition to the Poseidons, Russia also has other means of delivering “Weapons of Vengeance” to the United States, which will definitely leave a strait named after “Stalin” from this country. But whether American missiles will break through our air defense in such numbers as to destroy Russia is a big question!!!
  59. 0
    24 January 2021 18: 36
    They simply have nothing to cover, so they write all sorts of nonsense.
  60. 0
    24 January 2021 20: 21
    I am convinced that there is no sense in the heads of the high-ranking US military. If they believe that Russia will no longer exist, then why would Russia create Poseidons???...Probably so that salt water would wash away the ashes from the American continent. I feel sorry for people who live peacefully, raise children and pray to the Lord God for their bright, peaceful future.
  61. 0
    24 January 2021 22: 50
    Who said we can't strike first? Kin-Dza-Dza was filmed from us, by the way!!!
  62. 0
    25 January 2021 08: 50
    Poseidon has been stuck in your ass for a long time, the Americans and their allies! All that remains is to give the command to launch!
  63. 0
    25 January 2021 09: 19
    It’s worth reading the American’s article in the original source more carefully, perhaps then everything will not look so funny and naive: “If so, then Moscow is quite successfully killing two birds with one stone. And somewhere in the deep Kremlin basement there is an unknown middle-ranking official in charge for tales about submarines, reads the indignant reaction of the Americans to Poseidon and laughs out loud.
    Whatever the purpose of the Poseidon, it is likely that Russia intends to build several of these devices and a base to house them. And foreign observers can watch these doomsday robot submarines for decades, wondering whether Russia is playing them or not." (almost verbatim translation from the Forbes article)
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  65. 0
    25 January 2021 15: 27
    the use of such things means the end of humanity and they understand this well
  66. 0
    25 January 2021 21: 04
    Yes, and at this moment the USA will cease to exist :)))
  67. 0
    25 January 2021 21: 31
    Why does Poseidon need to walk for 2 days, he will already be standing where he needs to be at great depths, out of reach of anyone with a nuclear charge around America until the missiles reach Russia, Poseidons will explode, the USA will simply wash away and that’s it
  68. 0
    26 January 2021 07: 04
    I would like to speculate a little on this topic. During the Great Patriotic War, the “Allies” could not cover and destroy the German FAU rocket batteries due to the fact that they were mobile and were never stationed in one place. Therefore, they bombed London and its surroundings. The location of American and NATO bases is known to our generals and therefore it will not be difficult to destroy them in one group, that is, they are strictly tied to one area and the threat from their personnel, tanks and armored personnel carriers is already yesterday in the conditions of modern warfare. Now a little about our hypersonic weapons. Yes! This is truly a huge breakthrough for our armed forces, but they are only effective again if the targets are stationary. For them, the weak point, in my opinion, is the target designation of moving sea targets. Of course, having in service complexes of coastal batteries such as the Bastion AUG Americans will not be able to come closer than 500 kilometers to our shores, and their planes also have a limited flight radius, so for us, a continental power, this is not a huge threat. The Americans know this very well and we need to thank God for their stupidity. Let them build multi-billion-dollar aircraft carriers, which in terms of their power are yesterday, and invest money in the next bases (after all, the human resource in NATO is still limited), but most importantly, God forbid us, there is any war with NATO countries.
  69. 0
    26 January 2021 07: 38
    Of course of course. Let journalists reassure themselves. The military knows why.
  70. 0
    26 January 2021 14: 52
    There will be no winners, the whole world is in ruins
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  72. 0
    26 January 2021 16: 01
    Even if this is so, America will outlive Russia by only two days.
    And he will writhe in agony for a long time, realizing the inevitability of a terrible end.
  73. 0
    26 January 2021 17: 05
    The American columnist is naive. Regardless of Poseidon, there will be mutual destruction. Unless, of course, the words of the reviewer were invented by the author. Even if Russia is destroyed, Poseidon will do his job and fry this American’s butt.
  74. 0
    26 January 2021 22: 40
    Well, there are a dime a dozen of us like our mother’s idiots
  75. 0
    27 January 2021 11: 24
    The author is being a little disingenuous...in the original article it is written "...after an exchange of nuclear missiles would devastate both Russia and the United States..." "... an exchange of nuclear missiles has devastated both Russia and the United States ...." literally one phrase, but how it changes the meaning.... I wonder why?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/01/21/russia-is-building-four-special-submarines-to-haul-its-grotesque-doomsday-drone/?sh=228973cb3703
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  77. 0
    27 January 2021 14: 52
    Did someone say that Poseidons would be the only retaliatory strike?
    It’s just that in Russia, thanks to its vast territory, you can hide from a nuclear strike. Some part of the population will survive.
    But after a radioactive tsunami, nothing will survive from the Poseidons.
  78. 0
    27 January 2021 16: 16
    Ixperd - ...Firstly, no one is stopping you from using Poseidons for attack. Secondly, their goal is final retribution after the destruction of the United States. (to be sure that not a single bastard hid) thirdly, the United States has long lagged behind in air defense, guided hypersonic missiles, and nuclear-powered missiles, so let them cover their mouths.
  79. -1
    27 January 2021 17: 16
    Because thermonuclear charges of hundreds of megatons are too heavy and bulky to be delivered by missiles.
  80. 0
    27 January 2021 21: 23
    Apparently Captain America or Batman
  81. 0
    28 January 2021 10: 49
    But we and the Americans will know that in the event of a scam, America is guaranteed to be flushed down the toilet
  82. 0
    29 January 2021 08: 05
    Check it out!
  83. 0
    3 October 2022 15: 32
    Quote: HUNTERDON
    "Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist."
    - naive expert

    I would say wrong... when Poseidon reaches the shores of the USA, there will be nothing to blow up there...
  84. 0
    27 January 2023 13: 02
    But they don’t realize that this torpedo can simply be laid on the ground, near the coast of America, and wait for the required command.. But how their missiles will break through our air defense is another question..