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American observer: Until the Russian Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist

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The United States is trying to understand why Russia is building a base for its underwater nuclear drones, which are also called "Doomsday torpedoes" in the United States. They wonder if these devices are real weapons or created for propaganda purposes.


American arms expert David Ax argues on this topic in an article published by Forbes magazine.

In the US press, the Russian unmanned aerial vehicle Poseidon was called a "dirty bomb submarine" that will travel from the Russian coast to the American coast for two whole days.

From material with a hint of an American punch:

Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.

If we consider the issue from the point of view of the West, which claims that Moscow has aggressive plans, then in this case the creation of a robotic Poseidon will seem absurd. But Russia does not consider these devices to be offensive weapons, but positions them as a means of deterrence. They are necessary for the enemy to understand the inevitability of retaliation if he suddenly decides to attack.

The author asks the question: why do we need a slow and vulnerable submarine with an atomic bomb on board, if there are thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads? Moreover, it is planned to produce only 30 of them, because this can hardly be called mass production.

Owen Cote of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has suggested that by making several dozen Poseidons, Russia is creating the illusion of something significant and trying to produce a frightening effect, spending only a few billion dollars on it.
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  1. HUNTERDON
    HUNTERDON 21 January 2021 09: 25
    +53
    "Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist."
    - naive expert
    1. nnm
      nnm 21 January 2021 09: 28
      +43
      Not that word. You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone. And most importantly - well, they will live for a day - two longer, and then what?
      And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 21 January 2021 09: 51
        +15
        Quote: nnm
        Not that word. You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone. And most importantly - well, they will live for a day - two longer, and then what?
        And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.

        Why hit the Augs after they (the United States) delivered a nuclear strike?
        1. figwam
          figwam 21 January 2021 11: 07
          +53
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Why hit the Augs after they (the United States) delivered a nuclear strike?

          They will not deliver any blow, the whole thing will end with a counter nuclear strike with the subsequent destruction of everything, but if they unleash a war against us in Europe, they will receive the destruction of all their ports, after which they will not transfer raw materials, goods, food, weapons and troops. can, but will be cut off from the whole world for many years. Let the stupid in meat-eating sometimes think.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 21 January 2021 11: 15
            -1
            Quote: figvam
            No blow they will inflict the whole thing will end

            The usual blah blah, the only place where they will climb is near the secret library. Or else look for somewhere to cheat and make a loud statement on this in the name of saving the United States from Russia with a baidan. In general, zilch for a dollar, and the benefit will be expected for a billion.
            1. A1845
              A1845 21 January 2021 12: 06
              +10
              American author perplexed?
              I would read the authors on VO - I would comb my turnips for real
              with an acute shortage of nuclear submarines to cover the already existing SSBNs, we are rebuilding them into carriers, as their author called "nuclear torpedoes"
              despite the fact that the actual torpedoes on them the authors of the VO call trash
              I would read it, enlighten myself ..
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 21 January 2021 21: 45
                +15
                The main purpose of nuclear weapons is intimidation.
                The raison d'être of his existence is never to be used.
                The way to achieve meaning and purpose - guaranteed retaliation.
                WELL STUPID !!!
                1. krot
                  krot 22 January 2021 09: 03
                  +7
                  Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.

                  Perhaps this would be so, if we did not have other weapons! But to the disappointment of the striped, things will be different. ) Strait of the name of Comrade. Stalin to be! laughing
          2. Cympak
            Cympak 21 January 2021 11: 52
            -9
            Quote: figvam
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Why hit the Augs after they (the United States) delivered a nuclear strike?

            They will not deliver any blow, the whole thing will end with a counter nuclear strike with the subsequent destruction of everything, but if they unleash a war against us in Europe, they will receive the destruction of all their ports, after which they will not transfer raw materials, goods, food, weapons and troops. can, but will be cut off from the whole world for many years. Let the stupid in meat-eating sometimes think.

            So an exchange of nuclear strikes will follow. Didn't it come to mind?
          3. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 21 January 2021 12: 39
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Why hit the Augs after they (the United States) delivered a nuclear strike?

            They will not deliver any blow, the whole thing will end with a counter nuclear strike with the subsequent destruction of everything, but if they unleash a war against us in Europe, they will receive the destruction of all their ports, after which they will not transfer raw materials, goods, food, weapons and troops. can, but will be cut off from the whole world for many years. Let the stupid in meat-eating sometimes think.

            Cheto I'm not catching up. If the United States unleashes a war in Europe, we will deliver a nuclear strike on their augs? And in response we will receive a strike with strategic and all sorts of other missiles? Or do you think that they will not respond?
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 22 January 2021 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: Pilat2009
              if the United States unleashes a war in Europe, we will deliver a nuclear strike on their ... territories ... But then it is easier to immediately launch a preemptive strike with all available means

              If the Yankees chirp loudly in EUROPE, they will get what you called "easier to apply right away" ... And no one will even bother with diplomacy. For she is good until the first shot ...
              And then: - "With all the might of the main caliber!" - PLI !!!
        2. zwlad
          zwlad 21 January 2021 11: 23
          +15
          Do you think that everything will end there?
          You will have to finish off the enemy with conventional weapons, and the Poseidons will save a huge amount of it.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 21 January 2021 14: 39
            +1
            Quote: zwlad
            You will have to finish off the enemy with conventional weapons,

            This is from the realm of fantasy - no one will send anyone to an infected and empty territory, and they will not find such people. And there will be no sense in this either for us or for them.
            Quote: zwlad
            and the Poseidons will save a huge amount of it.

            Indeed, we get a relatively cheap underwater carrier of nuclear weapons, but the most important thing is that the Americans will not be able to find out how many of them are located on their shores, their patrol places, which means that the problem of destroying them will be too difficult. But we also have a problem - managing them in an underwater state, and it is not yet clear how it is solved. In general, the idea is not so bad, but the Strategic Missile Forces are more reliable for us in any case.
            1. zwlad
              zwlad 21 January 2021 14: 40
              0
              Strategic Missile Forces for land, Poseidons for the AUGs plying the seas. I think so.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 21 January 2021 15: 27
                -1
                Quote: zwlad
                Strategic Missile Forces for land, Poseidons for the AUGs plying the seas. I think so.

                No, they are being designed to create a huge wave that will wash away virtually every major US city on the East and West Coast.
                1. zwlad
                  zwlad 21 January 2021 16: 27
                  +2
                  I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 21 January 2021 17: 00
                    +6
                    Quote: zwlad
                    but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.

                    Already in the 60s, a nuclear charge was developed for this task, so there is no problem for a long time.
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose 21 January 2021 18: 16
                      +20
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Already in the 60s, a nuclear charge was developed for this task, so there is no problem for a long time.

                      Academician A.D. Sakharov. The man was of the kindest soul. And did not waste time on trifles. About charges, the power of which was measured in miserable kilotons, he did not even get dirty. And some of his fellow workers (I don't remember who. Forgive my sclerosis) several years ago in a TV interview said that in the glorious years of his youth he and his team, entirely consisting of the kindest people and romantics, using real data about the underwater landscape off the North American coast, theoretically varying the power of the charge and the depth of its detonation, they drove, again - theoretically, to this very coast (and further) a wave with a height of about 1400 m. That's who really believed in goodness and humanity. And to world peace.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 January 2021 12: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Polite Elk
                        They drove, again - theoretically, to this very coast (and further) a wave with a height of about 1400m.

                        You all write correctly, but as far as I remember, there was no talk about such wave heights - they were limited to a few hundred meters. Although theoretically this could be organized, it was believed that more charges along the coast would be better, it would be more reliable.
                        Quote: Polite Elk
                        And to world peace.

                        We are always in favor of this, starting from the tsars, secretaries general and current presidents.
                      2. Polite Moose
                        Polite Moose 22 January 2021 12: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        there was no talk about such wave heights - they were limited to a few hundred meters

                        This figure is etched into my memory, tk. it sounded not from the head of a stupid journalist, but from the mouth of a serious scientist. And the moment I heard it, to say that I was crazy is to say nothing. In general, for what I bought, for what I sell. hi
                      3. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 22 January 2021 22: 31
                        +2
                        Sakharov himself spoke about the wave. And the idea was as follows.
                        Lithospheric plates fracture along the coast of the United States in the Atlantic from north to south. The charges are undermined at this fault, which causes a breakdown of the lithosphere and a chain of underwater eruptions occurs along the fault. It is these eruptions that multiply the force of the explosion and cause a giant wave of 1 m. This wave washes away even Texas off the coast.
                        Moreover, about the Poseidons, the conversation was not about patrolling, and lying on the bottom and waiting for a command to undermine (or not receiving a command). A small piece of metal lying quietly at a depth is almost impossible to find. In 2019 or 2020, the GDP even said that "we will go to Heaven, and they will burn up in a nuclear Hell," this is not literal, but the essence was exactly that.
                        So the Poseidons are not jokes, but quite serious things.
                  2. Maz
                    Maz 23 January 2021 13: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Polite Moose
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Already in the 60s, a nuclear charge was developed for this task, so there is no problem for a long time.

                    Academician A.D. Sakharov. The man was of the kindest soul. And did not waste time on trifles. About charges, the power of which was measured in miserable kilotons, he did not even get dirty. And some of his fellow workers (I don't remember who. Forgive my sclerosis) several years ago in a TV interview said that in the glorious years of his youth he and his team, entirely consisting of the kindest people and romantics, using real data about the underwater landscape off the North American coast, theoretically varying the power of the charge and the depth of its detonation, they drove, again - theoretically, to this very coast (and further) a wave with a height of about 1400 m. That's who really believed in goodness and humanity. And to world peace.

                    That is, the guys were fine with their mathematical imagination. The only question was execution and implementation. Poseidon is able to bring this idea to life, if you remember that it can be equipped with artificial intelligence, and it has an unlimited power reserve, and the ocean bottom is not a flat desert, then the option with a wandering Poseidon is even more interesting than the ambush option ... And if you look at the map of the distribution of the US population, then a very bold target is precisely the coast. And the ways to activate this device, from instant, to working with the Perimeter, you can suggest about ten offhand: Satellite, plane, rocket, torpedo, half boat, ship, merchant ship, special object on the seabed, drone, network, sensors ...
                  3. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose 23 January 2021 13: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Maz
                    the wandering Poseidon option is even more interesting than the ambush option.

                    Not that word. I can imagine the face of the general on duty at the Pentagon, when he is informed about the discovery in the waters of an object, cutting circles and eights near the coast at a speed of 100uz. at a depth of about 1 km.
              2. Aag
                Aag 22 January 2021 09: 55
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: zwlad
                but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.

                Already in the 60s, a nuclear charge was developed for this task, so there is no problem for a long time.

                The problem has existed for a long time, and the controversy about this does not subside (underwater JV).
                If the main task is to destroy the fleet in the area of ​​nuclear explosives (coast, base), then it is worth achieving the greatest radioactive contamination, - the highest sultan, maximum irrigation with radioactive steam, water, preferably with the addition of "mud" - cobalt.
                If you plan to destroy cities, you need to form megatsunami. And this is not always possible. The method, the depth of detonation is needed different. And another charge is desirable. Even under optimal conditions, -remoted (about 20 km) from the coast, at a depth of about 500 m, and In the "optimal" topography of the seabed, coastline, underwater nuclear explosives will form a tsunami (according to various estimates, 300-500 m in height), and the depth of penetration into flat land is no more than 26 km.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 22 January 2021 12: 45
                  0
                  Quote: AAG
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: zwlad
                  but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.

                  Already in the 60s, a nuclear charge was developed for this task, so there is no problem for a long time.

                  The problem has existed for a long time, and the controversy about this does not subside (underwater JV).
                  If the main task is to destroy the fleet in the area of ​​nuclear explosives (coast, base), then it is worth achieving the greatest radioactive contamination, - the highest sultan, maximum irrigation with radioactive steam, water, preferably with the addition of "mud" - cobalt.
                  If you plan to destroy cities, you need to form megatsunami. And this is not always possible. The method, the depth of detonation is needed different. And another charge is desirable. Even under optimal conditions, -remoted (about 20 km) from the coast, at a depth of about 500 m, and In the "optimal" topography of the seabed, coastline, underwater nuclear explosives will form a tsunami (according to various estimates, 300-500 m in height), and the depth of penetration into flat land is no more than 26 km.

                  "... In the 1960s in the USSR, studies were carried out on the effect of waves from underwater explosions on coastal structures with tests on mock-ups, in which employees of the Department of Surface Phenomena of Underwater Nuclear Explosions of the Leningrad Naval Branch of TsNII-12 of the Ministry of Defense found that regardless of the power underwater explosion real damage could be caused to the coastal objects of the Atlantic coast of the United States at a distance of 2, maximum 5 km from the water's edge [49]. " and Vicki, sorry ...
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 21 January 2021 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: zwlad
              I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.
              There is not a problem in the charge, the bottom relief will not allow the required wave to form, even in the USSR the issue was worked out.
              1. Aag
                Aag 22 January 2021 09: 22
                -7
                Quote: bk0010
                Quote: zwlad
                I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the charge is not enough to create a huge wave.
                There is not a problem in the charge, the bottom relief will not allow the required wave to form, even in the USSR the issue was worked out.

                Do not prevent people from being in joyful ignorance.)) They are already imbued with the idea that "Poseidon" is our everything.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 22 January 2021 12: 23
                  0
                  Quote: AAG
                  They are already imbued with the idea that "Poseidon" is our everything.

                  This is an oversimplified view of the situation. In fact, this is just one of the areas of development of submarine nuclear forces, thanks to which we will be able to significantly reduce the cost of creating new nuclear submarines and their operation.
                  Your fears that you will not succeed
                  Quote: AAG
                  in one fell swoop were allowed, legal, engineering, production, operational ...
                  are not entirely correct, because there is only one problem - this is really the operation of this system and its controllability in a critical situation. Everything else is insignificant, including from a legal point of view.
                2. Thrombus
                  Thrombus 22 January 2021 15: 34
                  +2
                  Purely theoretically, let's say reconnaissance from several sources reported that at the X hour of the Y number, the United States is attacking with all available nuclear weapons, since most of the ships with tridents shoot from the pier, this is also the case with us, the Poseidons on duty nearby eliminate more than 50% of the poison. potential, and disabling satellites and hitting the lead with the whole triad will most likely put an end to the United States, with - 500 will intercept what they will suddenly have time to launch on cities, with - 500 you need to quickly stamp, so Poseidons will come in handy.
                3. Aag
                  Aag 22 January 2021 22: 18
                  0
                  ".... this is just one of the areas of development of submarine nuclear forces, thanks to which we will be able to significantly reduce the cost of creating new nuclear submarines and their operation ..."
                  I do not dispute this, moreover, I approve of it as an asymmetrical answer.
                  I was outraged by the ease with which a comrade suggested placing on the Poseidons, apparently, tactical missiles with YAGCh ... Have you read a lot about the Caliber? Or the Eskander? How to aim from the "Gulf of Mexico", but do not bring it ... will retarget it? Okay ... with him, apparently, a person is far from the topic under discussion ...
                  "... there is only one problem - this is really the operation of this system and its controllability in a critical situation ..."
                  Objection, this is TWO problems.
                  Will the vaunted small-sized reactor be threshed for the entire service life? Or, nevertheless, will we create a battery of an acceptable power (capacity) at the given mass-gabiter parameters?
                  This is me all on the 1st point, exploitation .. By the way, can we provide a covert exit of carriers from their bases, advance to the installation areas, drop Poseidons without witnesses?
                  Even in the case of a successful installation, how will we control the readiness for use? Protect from fishing and other trawls?
                  2. "... handling in a critical situation ..."
                  Yes, not even critical! Parameters, readiness for use will be monitored? How? Without giving out your location?
                  Sorry, not a signalman, but apart from R-260, nothing comes to mind. So the prospect ...
                  We crossed paths with you on the pages of the forum, the impression was that you are aware of the "kitchen" of the BU (combat control).
                  For those interested (before I write something, I look at open sources, if any, it means it’s no longer secret; the rest are examples from life that do not go beyond the "permissible").
                  So, in terms of command, control, delivery of Orders, signals ... I didn't want to upset our "all-winners", but it happened that in the depths of the Russian Federation, without enemy opposition, strategic nuclear forces ... faced with the stability of command and control. availability of various KS (communication channels), redundant, duplicated.
                  ... A comrade proposed to push the carrier for tens of thousands of nautical miles ... Etc ... Isn't that nonsense?
                4. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 January 2021 11: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: AAG
                  I was outraged by the ease with which a comrade suggested placing on the Poseidons, apparently, tactical missiles with nuclear warheads.

                  This is from an excess of feelings, most likely, because Poseidon will carry only strategic charges.
                  Quote: AAG
                  Will the vaunted small-sized reactor be threshed for its entire service life?

                  This will not be the traditional reactor used on our nuclear submarines, as I assume. But I’m not an expert, I don’t presume to say.

                  Quote: AAG
                  Yes, not even critical! Parameters, readiness for use will be monitored? How? Without giving out your location?

                  A network of cellular buoys that can float up and be used as repeaters - such buoys were already used by the Americans fifty years ago for reconnaissance purposes. Of course, all this is not a penny, but it can be solved technically.
                  Quote: AAG
                  We crossed paths with you on the pages of the forum, the impression was that you are aware of the "kitchen" of the BU (combat control).

                  In general terms, I did not deal with this in detail. But there are analogies in some systems, and it is enough to know the general principles of operation in order to understand what the technical solutions will be for different situations.
                  Quote: AAG
                  that in the depths of the Russian Federation, without enemy opposition, strategic nuclear forces ... faced with the stability of command and control.

                  It was all the time, which is why they always kept a reserve in order to regain control in the shortest possible time.
                  Quote: AAG
                  ... A comrade proposed to push the carrier for tens of thousands of nautical miles ... Etc ... Isn't that nonsense?

                  This is one of the main snags - we will not know how ready this product is, and whether it will be of any use at all, because it can simply be disabled in advance. Therefore, I have always believed and still believe that the Strategic Missile Forces is our everything, and the rest of the naval and aviation dances are just a dance on the stage with the soloist. Let it be rough, but accurate. All our populists do not want to take into account one dialectical law of military affairs - the most formidable weapon should be with you and controlled with one finger, regardless of what the enemy will undertake.
                5. Aag
                  Aag 23 January 2021 12: 36
                  +1
                  "... This is from an excess of feelings, most likely ..."
                  Feelings, emotions must be controlled. When handling any weapon. With nuclear, especially repeat
                  "... A network of buoys based on the cellular principle ...
                  It seems that "we cannot afford to do this" ("Beware of the car") for a number of reasons ... To scatter expensive gizmos across the ocean?
                  "... and the rest of the naval and aviation dances, it's just a dance on stage with the soloist .."
                  hi Masterpiece, colleague!
                  Let me take it on board?
              2. Aag
                Aag 23 January 2021 23: 23
                +1
                Minusers with which point of the comment do not agree?
                It is desirable with arguments.
          2. Eroma
            Eroma 22 January 2021 20: 16
            +3
            After the use of Paseidons with radiation contamination of probably the oceans, the remnants of the survivors will eat up the Gadzil belay

            And it won't be realistic to swim across the ocean because of the Krakens am

            In short, the United States will definitely not be able to threaten anyone anymore. drinks
          3. olegactor
            olegactor 24 January 2021 15: 00
            -1
            Do not prevent people from being in joyful ignorance.)) They are already imbued with the idea that "Poseidon" is our everything.

            in terms of geography, how many in school there were 2 or count ... any tsunami is complete for any state with an ocean shore ... remember the tsunami in Asia ... and then cho pin ... dos..ssky general encourages himself ... so it is from the dullness of the mattress
          4. Aag
            Aag 24 January 2021 19: 21
            0
            Quote: olegactor
            Do not prevent people from being in joyful ignorance.)) They are already imbued with the idea that "Poseidon" is our everything.

            in terms of geography, how many in school there were 2 or count ... any tsunami is complete for any state with an ocean shore ... remember the tsunami in Asia ... and then cho pin ... dos..ssky general encourages himself ... so it is from the dullness of the mattress

            With geography, I am much better than yours with education, grammar, history ... Remind the states that ceased to exist after being subjected to a tsunami.
            Check out the results of the conducted underwater nuclear weapons, and simulated ones - everything will be more useful than being rude.
          5. olegactor
            olegactor 24 January 2021 22: 01
            -1
            [b] With geography, I am much better than yours with education, grammar, history ... Remind the states that ceased to exist after being subjected to a tsunami.
            Check out the results of the conducted underwater nuclear weapons, and simulated ones - everything will be more useful than being rude.

            [/B]

            it's funny to hear this ... especially from individuals with dill .... you certainly have all the seams with your history ... and your pimp friends ... dossy .... and you are ready to assent to any delirium from mattress mats
          6. Aag
            Aag 25 January 2021 19: 29
            0
            Quote: olegactor
            [b] With geography, I am much better than yours with education, grammar, history ... Remind the states that ceased to exist after being subjected to a tsunami.
            Check out the results of the conducted underwater nuclear weapons, and simulated ones - everything will be more useful than being rude.

            [/B]

            it's funny to hear this ... especially from individuals with dill .... you certainly have all the seams with your history ... and your pimp friends ... dossy .... and you are ready to assent to any delirium from mattress mats

            "... especially from individuals with dill ..."
            Why are these conclusions? (Or is it now accepted?) Imagine, even in Soviet times, unfortunately, I did not visit the Ukrainian SSR (colleagues, a relative, there are).
            It is not clear YOUR attitude towards your small homeland, despite what is happening there now.
            "... you certainly have a history with no seams ..."
            I don't really pretend, but again, why such a conclusion?
            "... pimping friends ... dossy .... and you are ready to assent to any nonsense from mattress toppers ..."
            Where are you from .... sucked? So, decided to hyip?! "Your words are insulting, even very ..." (c).
            In fact, sir, this is slander. If you please answer!
            Do you do it on your own initiative (well, by virtue of personal dissonances), or on-the-job?
            More than 17 years (the best years) of life, under the officer's shoulder straps, put on the fact that used to clean up the Americans "to the nail." The very one under which the START button. It is, of course, partly ... In the sense that before the button, work, sweat, sleeplessness ... Defense always means work and sweat. - more and blood ...
            Returning to history: why, in 1941, with superiority in weapons and military equipment, l / s, the USSR suffered such losses and defeats? Is it not a matter of "shapkozakidatelstvo"? Well, in general terms ...
            Do you want repetition? I don’t! hi
          7. olegactor
            olegactor 25 January 2021 21: 19
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            More than 17 years (the best years) of life, under the officer's shoulder straps, put on the fact that used to clean up the Americans "to the nail." The same one under which the START button. It is, of course, partly ... In the sense that before the button, labor, sweat, sleeplessness ... Defense is always labor and sweat.

            and I am an officer of the Marine Corps of the DKBF ... And the geography of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia took place in practice ... so no pin ... the Dossians will intimidate me ... already scared ... and if an order is ready even to Alaska in the landing ,,, drinks
  • E_V_N
    E_V_N 22 January 2021 22: 37
    0
    The wave was supposed to be created not by a nuclear charge, but by volcanic eruptions, when detonated on a lithospheric fault. The question then was only in the possibility of delivery to the strictly necessary point and the simultaneous detonation of a series of charges. Now this problem has long been resolved.
    1. Aag
      Aag 25 January 2021 15: 49
      0
      Quote: E_V_N
      The wave was supposed to be created not by a nuclear charge, but by volcanic eruptions, when detonated on a lithospheric fault. The question then was only in the possibility of delivery to the strictly necessary point and the simultaneous detonation of a series of charges. Now this problem has long been resolved.

      Do volcanoes know that they want to use them?) ... While we are shaken (Transbaikalia, Irkutsay region).
      The power of the charges, about which Sakharov spoke, and now it is not easy to deliver, given the number, the capabilities of our Navy and the enemy's fleets.
      With the time of simultaneous detonation, it seems to be even more difficult. If you send "Statuses" with a predetermined detonation time, then how, in the event of a change in the military-political situation, is it guaranteed to bring the "Stop" command?
      If we hope to get the order "Start immediately", I'm afraid we won't reach the unisson (I generally have little idea of ​​two-way covert, secure communication in real time with underwater objects, and even in conditions of desperate opposition; but it won't be otherwise, because it is assumed that they play white, the first move is behind them).
      Of course, the approach, IMHO, is correct in the sense that the answer is asymmetrical, - we do not want, we cannot create a competitive Fleet, - here you go!
      Even if "Poseidon" is not there, it would be worth inventing. "Let them not sleep now ..." (c).
  • the Urals
    the Urals 22 January 2021 18: 20
    +1
    On this site, the strength of the Poseidons was already calculated and they came to the conclusion that they were purely for the destruction of ports and military bases, because the bottom relief off the coast of America is not suitable for creating a huge wave, the way out is to increase the power of the explosion, but to strengthen the Poseidon warhead in any way (a powerful thermonuclear fusion will not fit) I don’t remember the numbers, but Poseidon’s warheads are less than 1Mtons on average, something like that.
    P.S. And why send a wave ashore, ETOGES HERESY. And in order for a worthy tsunami even 1000 km inland to walk here, too much power is needed and not unfortunate Poseidons, but to lay the norms of thermonuclear bombs at a depth of dozens, which Sakharov suggested at one time
  • the Urals
    the Urals 22 January 2021 18: 28
    +1
    On this site, the power of the Poseidons was already calculated. Poseidons for the destruction of ports and military bases. Their warheads are less than 1 Mton. The bottom relief off the coast of America is not suitable for creating a large wave, the output is an increase in the power of the explosion, but such a charge no longer fits into Poseidon. In order to walk at least 500 km deep into the tsunami, a strong one needs to lay a dozen normal thermonuclear bombs at the bottom, as Sakharov suggested at one time
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 22 January 2021 10: 29
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: zwlad
    You will have to finish off the enemy with conventional weapons,

    This is from the realm of fantasy - no one will send anyone to an infected and empty territory, and they will not find such people. And there will be no sense in this either for us or for them.
    Quote: zwlad
    and the Poseidons will save a huge amount of it.

    Indeed, we get a relatively cheap underwater carrier of nuclear weapons, but the most important thing is that the Americans will not be able to find out how many of them are located on their shores, their patrol places, which means that the problem of destroying them will be too difficult. But we also have a problem - managing them in an underwater state, and it is not yet clear how it is solved. In general, the idea is not so bad, but the Strategic Missile Forces are more reliable for us in any case.

    Why do you think that the United States will not be able to detect them, will not recognize the patrolling places? In fact, these are the same BMPs and tracking them has been worked out. The movement of Poseidon himself cannot be called secretive, which means it will not be difficult to develop an anti-torpedo
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 22 January 2021 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Pilat2009
      Why do you think that the US will not be able to detect them, will not recognize the patrol places?

      The small size and weak noise during its movement make the detection problem very serious - after all, it is not for nothing that we abandoned the Typhoon in favor of smaller nuclear submarines. Pure physics, no other reason. Well, the cost of course comes first.

      Quote: Pilat2009
      which means that it will not be difficult to develop a counter-torpedo

      And how to determine where to send a torpedo, and what kind of power reserve it should have, and who will direct it to a small-sized and silent target at the final stage. So the problem is not so easy to solve ...
      1. Aag
        Aag 22 January 2021 20: 32
        +1
        Please answer the apponent, me, and yourself, perhaps, whether the Poseidon carrier *, with the current development of the Navy, will be able to leave the bases unnoticed, untracked, reach the installation site (the discharge of the "Status-6"), without unmasking the area stay (place of possible installation) leave?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 23 January 2021 11: 02
          0
          Quote: AAG
          Please answer the apponent, me, and myself, perhaps, whether the Poseidon carrier *, with the current development of the Navy, will be able to leave the base

          Our strategic aviation still occasionally flies off the coast of North America, so I see no reason why the Poseidons would not be off the coast of the United States if they are adopted.
          Quote: AAG
          to reach the place of installation (reset of "Status-6"), without unmasking the area of ​​stay (place of possible installation) to leave?

          I have not yet seen anywhere data on the duration and range of the Poseidons' autonomous move, and therefore I see no point in discussing how they can enter positions.
          1. Aag
            Aag 23 January 2021 13: 05
            0
            "... Our strategic aviation still occasionally flies off the coast of North America .."
            She does not fly unnoticed! And without nuclear warheads.
            "... I have not seen anywhere data on the duration and range of the Poseidons' autonomous course, and therefore I see no reason to discuss how they can enter positions .."
            It seems to be stated in the presentation as "practically unlimited."
            This is not about that. The problem is not to deliver, but to secretly deliver. Taking into account the capabilities of our Fleet, the enemy's fleet, according to the estimates of local Moremans: as I understand, the exit from the basing sites without a tail, the separation in the positional area, is rather exceptional. ((Considering the number of submarines shtatovtsy there is no doubt that to each carrier of "Poseids" will be assigned a shepherd, and not one. The coordinates of each opening of the TA hatches (or what it spawns there) will be recorded for the purpose of further detailed processing of the area with all available forces and means. I see a problem ...
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 January 2021 13: 14
              0
              Quote: AAG
              Taking into account the capabilities of our Fleet, the enemy's fleet, according to the estimates of the local Moremans: as I understand, leaving the basing sites without a tail, the separation in the positional area, is rather an exceptional case.

              What if they come up with the idea of ​​transporting Poseidons by civilian ships and dropping them in an area, for example, the Panama Canal or Cuba? Khrushchev imperceptibly airlifted the missiles by surface ships, and how are the current naval commanders worse?
            2. Aag
              Aag 23 January 2021 17: 11
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: AAG
              Taking into account the capabilities of our Fleet, the enemy's fleet, according to the estimates of the local Moremans: as I understand, leaving the basing sites without a tail, the separation in the positional area, is rather an exceptional case.

              What if they come up with the idea of ​​transporting Poseidons by civilian ships and dropping them in an area, for example, the Panama Canal or Cuba? Khrushchev imperceptibly airlifted the missiles by surface ships, and how are the current naval commanders worse?

              Not by concept))) ...
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 January 2021 22: 14
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      to a small and silent target at the final stage

      And the target is not silent. At the declared speed, it roars not weakly. And why do the Americans keep APL hunters on the OBD?
      And here's another;
      https://topwar.ru/176865-korpus-morskoj-pehoty-ssha-vybral-novogo-ohotnika-za-rossijskimi-submarinami.html
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 23 January 2021 11: 05
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And the target is not silent.

        Naturally - even dolphins whistle for miles in the aquatic environment. But it hardly makes sense to compare the noise of Poseidon with the noise of our nuclear submarines - for some reason I am sure of this based on the linear dimensions and power of the engines.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 23 January 2021 16: 05
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And the target is not silent.

          Naturally - even dolphins whistle for miles in the aquatic environment. But it hardly makes sense to compare the noise of Poseidon with the noise of our nuclear submarines - for some reason I am sure of this based on the linear dimensions and power of the engines.

          So his speed is declared to be more than 100 knots, it seems that there is not a quiet vane engine, and the friction on the water is pretty faint.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 23 January 2021 17: 48
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            So his speed is declared more than 100 knots like,

            It can be cruising or afterburner when avoiding an attack. And constantly he can move very silently, especially if he gets into the right current. In a word, no one really knows yet how it will be, except for the developers and those who lead this project, so there is no point in guessing.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 22 January 2021 20: 37
    0
    Quote: zwlad
    You will have to finish off the enemy with conventional weapons, and the Poseidons will save a huge amount of it.

    I'm afraid I won't have to ... from the word "absolutely". Poseidon will simply "wash away" all the restless into the ocean. And it will flood all their underground bunkers with water ... And in the central regions there are continuous one-story buildings and Indian reservations ...
    Therefore, Poseidon is scary!
  • alexander 2
    alexander 2 21 January 2021 23: 35
    0
    Then to understand. If the United States delivers a nuclear strike at us, America will no longer be.
    They can also carry missiles with a range of 1 - 2 thousand km. with nuclear warheads. That's enough from the Gulf of Mexico.
    1. Aag
      Aag 22 January 2021 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Alexander 2
      Then to understand. If the United States delivers a nuclear strike at us, America will no longer be.
      They can also carry missiles with a range of 1 - 2 thousand km. with nuclear warheads. That's enough from the Gulf of Mexico.

      What a fine fellow you are !! All issues were resolved in one fell swoop, legal, engineering, production, operational ... sad
      "... but the men don't know ..." wassat
  • Krokodil68
    Krokodil68 22 January 2021 07: 19
    0
    If only because the aircraft carriers have a lot of tactical special ammunition. (YAO)
    With which attack aircraft are armed.
  • atakan
    atakan 22 January 2021 11: 48
    -6
    I think that when an attack on us, the first blow will be in the form of disconnecting communication and the Internet, immediately after this most of the phones and laptops will burn and explode. Further, most of the government will be in London.
    Boeings and AirBuses will fall on the Kremlin in a remotely controlled mode, while others will spray combat chemistry and biology on our cities.
    But this will be preparation, so to speak.
    And I think they are sabotaging the construction of the Poseidons. Or they will surrender the place.
    1. atakan
      atakan 22 January 2021 12: 01
      +1
      For such a project, all stages of construction and people and location must be kept secret. It is already known where it will be built. and how many pieces.
  • Vyacheslav Chernyavsky
    Vyacheslav Chernyavsky 23 January 2021 13: 18
    0
    Why do we need the Earth if my homeland will not exist. I'll get it from the other world.
  • Kazimirsat
    Kazimirsat 23 January 2021 16: 31
    0
    Poseidons are weapons of containment. To understand that even if they strike, they themselves will not live much longer. This is as an addition to the "perimeter", called in the West, the "dead hand" is also obtained from the other world
  • XXXIII
    XXXIII 21 January 2021 11: 18
    0
    Quote: nnm
    You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone.

    Well, yes, even if a couple of "Poseidons" 100klt each, bang from both sides, America will become unsuitable for life. survivors will envy the dead. am laughing
    1. nnm
      nnm 21 January 2021 18: 05
      +1
      As I understand it, there will be about 4 Poseidons on 50 carriers. Monoblock power - up to 2 megatons each.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 22 January 2021 10: 30
        -2
        Quote: nnm
        As I understand it, there will be about 4 Poseidons on 50 carriers. Monoblock power - up to 2 megatons each.

        I'm afraid that uranium for such a quantity of warheads will take a long time
      2. Aag
        Aag 22 January 2021 14: 29
        0
        Quote: nnm
        As I understand it, there will be about 4 Poseidons on 50 carriers. Monoblock power - up to 2 megatons each.

        Yes, you are a maniac! And an unkillable optimist (sorry, one more word is asked to speak ...)
        50 "Poseidons" .... What kind of "fish" do you want to "cheat" like? Well, if the Russian Federation adheres to the agreements on nuclear weapons ...
        Yes, 2 mt ... From which charges do you want to withdraw?
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 January 2021 21: 00
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        on 4 carriers there will be about 50 Poseidons. Monoblock power - up to 2 megatons each.

        Closed topic, but from open media:
        1. An order has been placed for the third carrier (Sevmash).
        2. Poseidons will be 32. Each carrier will take 6 items.
        3. BZO with UPS with a capacity of 2,0 Mt. They will be used at the stations: naval base, landing points of the expeditionary forces of the ILC of the US Armed Forces. (That is, the ports of NATO allies are under real threat!)
        4. Use against OBK, DesO, KON and AUG is also envisaged, only BZO will be less powerful, of the order of hundreds of CT.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 23 January 2021 11: 30
          -1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Closed topic, but from open media:

          Do not be ridiculous - even several people have full access to the TTZ for this system, and suddenly it was posted in the open media. One should not take seriously journalistic speculations and versions of some former military personnel as something obvious and reliable. I think that even the current naval commanders do not even know how this system will be technically implemented.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 January 2021 11: 59
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            even several people have full access to the TTZ for this system, and suddenly it was posted in the open media.

            Colleague, then do not intrigue and bring this TTZ on the site, or give a link. (Gulchatay! Show your face! laughing )
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 January 2021 12: 33
              -1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Colleague, then do not intrigue and bring this TTZ on the site,

              It will remain under the "SS" stamp for another forty years with a list of persons who will be admitted to it.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 23 January 2021 12: 36
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Colleague, then do not intrigue and bring this TTZ on the site,

                It will remain under the "SS" stamp for another forty years with a list of persons who will be admitted to it.

                Then what are we talking about !? What did you want to tell us with your post Today, 11:30 ??? About a limited circle of persons admitted to secrets? So everyone who is involved in SBP and code-blocking knows it ...
                Therefore - DOES NOT CREDIT! bully
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 January 2021 13: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Then what are we talking about !? What did you want to tell us with your post

                  The fact that now there is a fortune-telling on the coffee grounds and for this they use various conjectures of persons who were not even close to this development.
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Therefore - DOES NOT CREDIT!

                  What makes you think that I am obliged to pass tests to you? I just assessed the situation with this development from my bell tower.
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 23 January 2021 13: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    I just assessed the situation with this development from my bell tower.

                    Colleague, you need to be more modest: you are only on a bog, and we are talking about the BELL ... bully
                    But.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 23 January 2021 13: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    you are only on a bog,

                    I agree with you - I really sit on a bog, that's why I don't utter such nonsense:
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    Closed topic, but from open media:
                  3. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 23 January 2021 13: 37
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    I do not utter such nonsense:

                    In my opinion, you flatter yourself! laughing
                  4. ccsr
                    ccsr 23 January 2021 13: 48
                    -2
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    In my opinion, you flatter yourself!

                    Trying to jump out of my pants for you.
  • YOUR
    YOUR 21 January 2021 11: 54
    0
    Despite the fact that the United States has a lot of ports, only 13 large ones, well, 21 ports can be considered with some effort. Only about a hundred, if you count all sorts of marinas and other berths. Major cities along the coast. Something will fall from above, in a couple of three days something else will enter the port.
    And they and we will have units somewhere in the desert or taiga. Moreover, on some islands in the Indian Ocean, they will gradually freeze out.
  • Maz
    Maz 21 January 2021 12: 14
    +7
    Poseidons can be laid out in advance off the coast of the United States and put into standby mode, fifteen to thirty pieces on each coast and then a rocket takes off or a somewhat light and fast one reaches the coast in a minute or two - falls into the ocean and sends a coded signal and at the same time all this economy is undermined, a wave from so many megatons with a charge will wash away the most densely populated coastal half of the United States, the remaining half will be finished off by the Sarmatians in ten minutes of arrival.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 January 2021 12: 43
      0
      Quote: Maz
      Poseidons can be laid out in advance off the coast of the United States and put into standby mode, fifteen to thirty pieces on each coast and then a rocket takes off or a somewhat light and fast one reaches the coast in a minute or two - falls into the ocean and sends a coded signal and at the same time all this economy is undermined, a wave from so many megatons with a charge will wash away the most densely populated coastal half of the United States, the remaining half will be finished off by the Sarmatians in ten minutes of arrival.

      Forgive me, but they are not stupid either, and it just won't work to decompose something. Yes, and they need to be serviced periodically. A spontaneous explosion of the reactor is unpleasant
    2. Maks winter
      Maks winter 21 January 2021 14: 03
      -3
      maybe it's already done?) lol
      https://staryiy.livejournal.com/2556119.html
    3. Aag
      Aag 22 January 2021 14: 45
      -1
      Quote: Maz
      Poseidons can be laid out in advance off the coast of the United States and put into standby mode, fifteen to thirty pieces on each coast and then a rocket takes off or a somewhat light and fast one reaches the coast in a minute or two - falls into the ocean and sends a coded signal and at the same time all this economy is undermined, a wave from so many megatons with a charge will wash away the most densely populated coastal half of the United States, the remaining half will be finished off by the Sarmatians in ten minutes of arrival.

      ... Well, yes. It's easier to live this way, especially if you imagine that everyone did this before (for) you ...
      Pancake! How many "Sarmats" are there on the database? Yes, "Topols", not to mention "Yars", will be enough with a competent, timely distribution of goals!
      Well .... and with the proper approach.
  • loki565
    loki565 21 January 2021 13: 00
    +4
    And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.

    Well, how will he be guided to AUG? He is packed with coordinates, bases, ports, etc. An explosion near the coast is much "dirtier" than an ordinary air blast, there will be radiation for hundreds of years.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 21 January 2021 18: 00
    +3
    When we are no longer there, and the remaining Amerkans will sit down at the festive tables, then our Poseidon is like ... t, they have a cherry on a cake!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 21 January 2021 20: 27
      +4
      "When we are no longer there, and the rest of the Merikans will sit down at the festive tables, then our Poseidon is like ... t, they have a cherry on a cake!"
      This is the highest class! drinks
      Thanks for the best comment on this thread.
      1. Aag
        Aag 22 January 2021 14: 51
        +2
        Quote: Benzorez
        "When we are no longer there, and the rest of the Merikans will sit down at the festive tables, then our Poseidon is like ... t, they have a cherry on a cake!"
        This is the highest class! drinks
        Thanks for the best comment on this thread.

        Will you really be happy about that?
        No, I don't argue, if no other alternative is foreseen, that's the only way!
        But, I would like it differently. Sorry, for the children, humanity, I please nature ...
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 22 January 2021 20: 34
          +1
          "Will you really be happy about that?
          No, I don't argue, if no other alternative is foreseen, that's the only way!
          But, I would like it differently. Sorry, for the children, humanity, I make Nature happy ... "
          Of course not! Despite chronic alcoholism, I have not yet completely lost my mind.
          Comrade joked (and "black humor") I myself absolutely love. I like it.
          And so, Peace to the world. War is not necessary.
  • Machito
    Machito 21 January 2021 22: 49
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    Not that word. You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone. And most importantly - well, they will live for a day - two longer, and then what?
    And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.

    Depending on the power of the charges installed on the Poseidons. If megaton charges are installed on the Poseidons, and they are detonated under water at a depth, or better in the area of ​​ocean trenches, then the formed megatsunami will wash the US coast into the sea to a depth of 500-1000 km. This is the idea of ​​Academician Sakharov. More than half of the population lives on the US coast. In the event of war, the Poseidons will reset this population.
    1. Aag
      Aag 22 January 2021 17: 34
      0
      Quote: Bearded
      Quote: nnm
      Not that word. You might think that Russia will answer with "Poseidons" alone. And most importantly - well, they will live for a day - two longer, and then what?
      And as I understand it, the main task is the AUG and the US Navy bases, and strikes on the coast are secondary.

      Depending on the power of the charges installed on the Poseidons. If megaton charges are installed on the Poseidons, and they are detonated under water at a depth, or better in the area of ​​ocean trenches, then the formed megatsunami will wash the US coast into the sea to a depth of 500-1000 km. This is the idea of ​​Academician Sakharov. More than half of the population lives on the US coast. In the event of war, the Poseidons will reset this population.

      I considered you, excuse me, a more serious expert, (thinker, speculator,)
  • Cuba
    Cuba 22 January 2021 07: 04
    +1
    tell me not! .... a couple of 200 megaton charges off the US East Coast is the END of the US!
    1. the Urals
      the Urals 22 January 2021 18: 35
      0
      Poseidons won't fit so much with all the desire. One fits no more than 1Mt
  • Pereira
    Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 10
    +38
    Not entirely naive. He's just genuinely perplexed.
    After all, if Russia is no longer there, why attack America with Poseidons? Russia will have it anyway. It should be all the same. Why waste money?
    So understand and forgive. Scrap the Poseidons.

    But the passage from the dirty bomb is either complete ignorance or such a propaganda twist. There is a clean atomic bomb - the Bomb of Freedom - bringing peace and prosperity, and there is a dirty one that uses a totalitarian nuclear reaction.
    And I can't pick the right one for the American press. And perhaps there are both options at once.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 21 January 2021 10: 34
      +1
      So America also does not exist, what will the Poseidons sail to? After all, the United States will be crushed by conventional nuclear missiles.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 40
        +18
        And just in case. For reliability.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 21 January 2021 10: 46
          -22%
          Only money eats well all these additional erasures. Do they make sense and is it not worth spending money on something else. For example, to buy the Su-57 or reduce taxes from the industry? Raise expenses on education there?
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 49
            +11
            In theory, yes. But if a global deterrence is not ensured, then the Su-57 will not be protected and education costs will be burned up. Moreover, education in the country has long been no longer a priority (schA, minusers will run up).
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 21 January 2021 12: 14
              -7
              So it is already provided with hundreds of missiles that will pass any existing or prospective missile defense, according to statements in the media.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 21 January 2021 12: 40
                +2
                Not the fact that our media is read in America.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 21 January 2021 14: 04
                  +3
                  Are you implying that our media are lying? laughing
          2. nemez
            nemez 21 January 2021 10: 51
            +1
            Lesha? is that you?
          3. Cuba
            Cuba 22 January 2021 07: 06
            +1
            Yes, you, my friend, are liberal!
        2. taiga2018
          taiga2018 21 January 2021 10: 51
          +8
          Quote: Pereira
          For reliability.

          Control shot...
        3. dauria
          dauria 21 January 2021 11: 15
          +4
          And just in case. For reliability.


          Hmm. For the greatest damage, the explosion is done at a height of 300 m. Then the maximum damage from the blast wave and light radiation. And here there is no light, the blast wave is weaker. And the target is not at the edge of the coast. And you will not approach the very edge - they will figure out nets, minefields, and acoustics to stick with moving torpedo mines. So the goals are one or two and countless. No, something is wrong here. 20 kt, even within a radius of half a mile, not all pelvis drowned in tests. For 5 miles, you need 20 mgt, if you count according to the law of cubes. Only we will destroy the sprat in vain, we will infect the water, and we will raise the glass in the seaside town. For something else, such a pig was blinded.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 21 January 2021 11: 51
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            For something else, such a pig was blinded.

            To create a tsunami off the coast of the cradle of "democracy".
            1. Aag
              Aag 24 January 2021 19: 43
              0
              Quote: Gardener91
              Quote: dauria
              For something else, such a pig was blinded.

              To create a tsunami off the coast of the cradle of "democracy".

              Read about undersea nuclear weapons, their damaging factors (at least on Wikipedia). It's difficult there with the creation of a tsunami ...
          2. loki565
            loki565 21 January 2021 13: 09
            -1
            Hmm. For the greatest damage, the explosion is done at a height of 300 m.

            Such an explosion is considered "clean", since there is less secondary radiation from it, and after an explosion near the coast, everything there will be contaminated and unsuitable for life for decades
          3. bk0010
            bk0010 21 January 2021 20: 34
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            For something else, such a pig was blinded.
            I would use it to destroy European ports (since we can no longer simply seize them) to complicate the deployment and supply of the US expeditionary force. There, and 2 days to achieve the goal will not play a role.
          4. Motorist
            Motorist 21 January 2021 22: 23
            0
            Quote: dauria
            For something else, such a pig was blinded.

            Does she bounce low upon arrival for the most damage? Or already lying and waiting for the command to jump. Or not a command, but sensor readings, like Perimeter. Only the Perimeter on a different perimeter - closer to partners ... We only know what we are about desinform, it remains only to speculate. what
      2. avdkrd
        avdkrd 22 January 2021 00: 54
        0
        Quote: BlackMokona
        So America also does not exist, what will the Poseidons sail to? After all, the United States will be crushed by conventional nuclear missiles.

        In fact, nuclear weapons do not give one hundred percent results. Now, when the arsenals of strategists have been reduced tenfold, the term “unacceptable damage” is more appropriate. It is clear that the economy will be destroyed, it is clear that the death rate in cities will be prohibitive, but nevertheless, far from 100%. Military facilities and troops, for the most part, will survive. First, a sudden strike is impossible a priori. The preparatory stage is preceded by the evacuation of the leadership and the elite, this is true for us and for them. Such moments are monitored and for this you do not need satellites, not a super radar, just intelligence work. Therefore, the Armed Forces will be ready, units will be redeployed, air defense / pro, will be in full battlefield, emergency response at a low start and training for the population. Large cities and industrial centers, less lucky, somewhere in ibukas, may not even notice the war. This is of course situational, but in general it is so. It is not possible to nullify the military potential of the Russian Federation, at the current technical level, the Strategic Missile Forces and everything connected with them, technically, structurally and organizationally, are ready for such a development of events.
        The states also understand that with the usual exchange, ASP, nevertheless, will survive and even be able to count on dictating conditions, because the potential of England and France will also partially remain. The elite and the leadership of the ASPnet, by and large, do not care how many people will remain, the main thing is that they will remain (according to estimates, 80-150 million people die). Poseidon greatly simplifies the counting of survivors and makes the entire infrastructure of the west coast unusable, for 1000 years. I don’t know how deep a man-made tsunami will take place, but if, according to Sakharov’s calculations, 500-1000 km, and even with dirty materials, then about ASP you can forget, and indeed, the living will envy the dead.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 22 January 2021 08: 53
          -1
          Isn't it easier to make more missiles? Radically cheaper and easier.
          Tsunamis can also be caused by rockets, there is no need to make underwater vehicles for this
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2021 21: 20
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Tsunamis can also be caused by rockets, there is no need to make underwater vehicles for this

            An early warning missile system will detect ICBMs on approach (up to 6000 km, well, up to 3700 km on a flat one!) NAAD will strain together with GBU and Aegis ... something may be shot down. But with Poseidon, everything will be a little more complicated: find him in the ocean, give out the command control, direct the PLO forces, use weapons ... And he dodges, sets the GPA, besides, he can bang and scatter all this PLO-HUNTING on the sea-okey. ..
            No, NO ICE!
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 22 January 2021 23: 15
              -1
              So it is stated that our missiles will pass through any existing and promising missile defense system without problems.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      But the passage from the dirty bomb is either complete ignorance or such a propaganda twist. There is a clean atomic bomb - the Bomb of Freedom - bringing peace and prosperity, and there is a dirty one that uses a totalitarian nuclear reaction.
      And I can't pick the right one for the American press. And perhaps there are both options at once.

      Well, there is little propaganda in this. It's all about the relationship between the power of the explosion and the amount of radioactive decay products formed. The two-stage thermonuclear charge is quite "clean" because fission products are formed only when a small initiating charge explodes. But the three-stage one, with a uranium shell, is very "dirty". And you can make a special charge with an increased yield of radioactive products, for example, a cobalt bomb.
      It seems even in the "leak" about "Status-6" talked about using a three-stage charge and cobalt to cause long-term contamination of coastal areas.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 21 January 2021 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        even the Status 6 "leak" mentioned the use of a three-stage charge and cobalt to cause long-term contamination of coastal areas.

        For several tens of thousands of years, the entire coastal strip of the United States will be unsuitable for a human being in it.
        Ie, the USA disappears from the world map as a potential threat to anyone forever.
        For example, in Hiroshima, the Japanese live as if nothing had happened.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 12: 28
        -3
        to cause long-term contamination of coastal areas ..... why torture yourself with doubts .. cobalt or hafnium, these are costs. ... an ordinary TYAZ on hypersound will easily and naturally deliver warheads to any nuclear power plant ... and now the attention of the map of the location of the nuclear power plant around the world, it is interesting who will survive after the exchange of strikes at the nuclear power plant
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 21 January 2021 17: 00
          +3
          This is not a map of the location of nuclear power plants around the world - there is not a single one in Uruguay, but it is highlighted on this map ..
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 17: 03
            0
            okay then another
            but horseradish radish is not sweeter
    3. DrEng527
      DrEng527 21 January 2021 12: 42
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      the passage from the dirty bomb is either complete ignorance

      probably you! a dirty bomb is fission - fusion-fission, tk. large amount of cobalt 60 after explosion ...
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 21 January 2021 18: 25
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      Not entirely naive. He's just genuinely perplexed.

      He simply confused the cause and effect in places. In fact, Repin's picture is as follows: if Russia does not become, then in a maximum of 2 days the slightly belated, but warm greetings "From Russia with love" will reach the US coast.
      Quote: Pereira
      But the passage from the dirty bomb is either complete ignorance or such a propaganda twist.

      Definitely! Everyone in the world knows that our bomb is pure and radiant. Highly.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 21 January 2021 10: 55
    +5
    Somewhere Hitler and Napoleon laughed loudly.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 21 January 2021 11: 54
    +1
    Russia, the USA, the NATO countries, and most likely China and India, which will fall under the "batch" for the company, will cease to exist in the part of the industrial powers, so as not to remain as a third-party beneficiary to anyone.
    1. loki565
      loki565 21 January 2021 13: 27
      +5
      There are excellent films on this topic, "On the Last Shore." and "The next day" nuclear war will hit all countries.
      1. Vyacheslav Chernyavsky
        Vyacheslav Chernyavsky 23 January 2021 13: 35
        +1
        I’m not sorry at all, I even smiled
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 January 2021 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: Cympak
      Russia, the USA, the NATO countries, and most likely China and India, which will fall under the "batch" for the company, will cease to exist in the part of the industrial powers, so as not to remain as a third-party beneficiary to anyone.

      Yes, everyone will burn in nuclear fire.
  • lucul
    lucul 21 January 2021 12: 54
    -2
    "Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist."
    - naive expert

    And there is )))
    It does not even occur to him that Poseidon may already be lying off the coast of America, at the bottom, waiting in the wings))))
    It's easier for him to think that the Poseidon needs to swim 2 days to the shores of America))))
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 21 January 2021 13: 39
      +2
      And how will Poseidon understand, lying on the bottom, that the hour has come? It does not have a huge GPBA for receiving low frequency commands. In addition, he also has a working nuclear reactor in a limited case, which needs to be cooled. He will begin to boil around him.
      1. lucul
        lucul 21 January 2021 15: 36
        -3
        And how will Poseidon understand, lying on the bottom, that the hour has come? It does not have a huge GPBA for receiving low frequency commands. In addition, he also has a working nuclear reactor in a limited case, which needs to be cooled. He will begin to boil around him.

        And where did you get the idea that there the reactor should work until the hour X? ))))
        After all, it was originally announced that the torpedo would lie at the bottom, waiting for the signal))))
  • frruc
    frruc 21 January 2021 14: 13
    0
    Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.

    I can’t say anything about Poseidon, but with this approach, the United States itself could turn into a zone of apocalypse and radioactive ash.
  • zenion
    zenion 21 January 2021 19: 57
    0
    The Germans knew that they would break the USSR in two months. Man proposes and God disposes. The author forgot to write - if at that time the United States will exist as a country.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 22 January 2021 06: 25
    +1
    Let's figure it out: the existence of WHAT does he say exactly?

    Government, parliament and president - that is, government agencies and the management system? Moscow, Petersburg and large cities, industry?
    As a result of a nuclear strike ...

    But Russia is not limited to Moscow and government agencies.
    A significant portion of the population will remain, as will the infrastructure. So everything will be rebuilt, possibly in a different configuration, taking into account the suitability for life! Again, even the last remaining village will raise the flag and will be Russia hi

    Then, by analogy, the United States will no longer be there by the time the torpedo reaches the coast ...

    They are naive guys. One hope for Bidon is that he still remembers the lessons of the Cold War, as a politician from those times. But his young entourage already believes in fairy tales.
  • 777_kas
    777_kas 22 January 2021 12: 41
    0
    1) Not only Russia will cease to exist.
    2) And we give a fuck.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2021 09: 26
    +13
    They are dull ... Or, on the contrary, teachable ... They show you, Russians in white, that you will not rejoice in victory for long ... Exactly as long as the Poseidons can swim to the specified goals ...
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 09: 46
      0
      everything is correct, only with "Exactly as much as" Poseidons "to" swim to the specified targets ".... he does not need to swim, the onboard armament is the same as on multipurpose nuclear submarines, the only difference from the nuclear submarines is unlimited patrol time .. no and there will be no single TNBs on the Poseidons, .. it's just an autonomous platform for the CS with hypersonic properties, which allows it to instantly launch from patrol areas .. that is .. the punishing sword will reach the foe faster than the ICBMs of the sworn partners will enter the marching areas
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 21 January 2021 09: 53
        +6
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        everything is correct, only with "Exactly as much as" Poseidons "to" swim to the specified targets ".... he does not need to swim, the onboard armament is the same as on multipurpose nuclear submarines, the only difference from the nuclear submarines is unlimited patrol time .. no and there will be no single TNBs on the Poseidons, .. it's just an autonomous platform for the CS with hypersonic properties, which allows it to instantly launch from patrol areas .. that is .. the punishing sword will reach the foe faster than the ICBMs of the sworn partners will enter the marching areas

        Poseidon is an unmanned torpedo and not a weapon carrier and there is only one warhead
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 10: 02
          +1
          Poseidon is an unmanned torpedo and not a carrier of weapons and there is only one warhead ... according to my infe, Poseidon is a platform that can be under water in a combat state for years. at what at depths that are now not accessible to hunters ... and all this chatter about the tsunami from TNT on the coast ... this is an illusion to intimidate people like this expard ... real experts have discussed this option since the time when such tests were carried out 50- -60 years and found zero sense ...
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 43
            +5
            Zero, not zero, but the tsunami at Fukushima, I remember, was called a consequence of the underwater test of Japanese nuclear weapons.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 10: 50
              0
              called the consequence of the underwater test of Japanese nuclear weapons .... so big and you believe in fairy tales .... some evil tongues said that Kuzkina's mother allocated 56 MT of energy, the energy released during the tsunami on March 11 is 1000 times more ..... sho after all, the Japanese lupanuli hexo to Japan-mother ... in the Japanese samurai ... even with the ban on nuclear weapons, they so shied away ... that the entire arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world put together, pampering ... and do not confuse the tsunami wave and the surge wave ... they are different in properties
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 53
                0
                There is such a muddy story that common sense starts to slip. Few people know what really happened and will certainly not share with us.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 10: 58
                  +1
                  what actually happened and certainly will not share with us ... yes, what is there to share ... on the map, look and understand what happened ... and precisely on the propagation of the wave ... and most importantly, quickly count how much is necessary energy that would move so much water throughout the calm sea - okey.

                  .
                  1. Gardener91
                    Gardener91 21 January 2021 12: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    and most importantly, quickly calculate how much energy you need to move so much water across the calm sea - okeyana.

                    2-3 detonation of small charges into resonance for a "steam locomotive" directed wave generation.
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 12: 52
                      +1
                      resonance for the "steam locomotive" directed wave creation .... waxes not in resonance but in phase. and so it's all the same to disperse a multi-ton locomotive .. what is there a locomotive-car with. with the help of a pair of f-1 grenades .... San, you delve into the numbers, or rather the numbers ... all the same, Mega and Hexa difference is huge
                      1. Gardener91
                        Gardener91 21 January 2021 15: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        . wax not in resonance but in phase.

                        It is in resonance. An explosion in phase, at best, will slightly increase the amplitude, i.e. the height of the wave, and at worst - it will extinguish, dissipate. The already created wave, like its own oscillation, will intensify in antiphase by a repeated explosion, which I consider to be an "artificial resonance". A multi-ton locomotive starts off from one first push and starts moving when the wave rolls through the cars back to the locomotive. After all, we often hear a knock on freight cars at the moment trains start to move.
                      2. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 16: 07
                        0
                        what I think is "artificial resonance" .... what you describe is a surge wave. which can subsequently enter the phase. or maybe resonant. that is, either delay the mass of the wave or, on the contrary, jump, but should not be confused with a tsunami. where the wave base is up to 1500 km. while the base of the phased surge wave is no more than 200 meters, as in hurricanes, but the hurricane feeds these surge waves due to its constant energy, while single bunches of TNV are only one-time, and more than 90 percent of the thermonuclear bunch turns into steam, that is to nowhere ... well, something like this
                      3. Gardener91
                        Gardener91 22 January 2021 01: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        the base of the phased surge wave is no more than 200 meters

                        1- directional explosions; 2 - the first two broads at the same time with a counter influx into one ridge; 3- resonant build-up; 4- subjectively take into account the moment of the tide, etc., but this is probably already conspiracy theories. It is possible to create a wave with a height of 20 - 40 m with a distance of 50 to 150 miles, which can cause serious local damage to the coastal infrastructure. Even the sick imagination does not draw about the washing away of the entire mainland land, or part of it. About this while Yellowstone is sleeping))
                      4. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 22 January 2021 09: 01
                        0
                        capable of causing serious local damage to the coastal infrastructure ..... these are trifles, the water will drain, the garbage will be removed and that's all .... at the moment it's no secret that the nuclear missile potential of countries that possess such potential is aimed not at cities but at energy facilities a potential enemy and mainly at nuclear power plants .... as Fukushima has shown, the Western world is not able to eliminate such accidents, nevertheless, they have a dime a dozen of this good (nuclear power plant) ..... so the Sakharav idea is sheer nonsense. has already been tested and found unfit, ... therefore, this misinformation is being deliberately ... in fact, Poseidon is a platform ... but what kind of delivery means he is carrying is a question ... but savvy people immediately understood which ones we were talking about ...
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 January 2021 12: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        therefore, the Sakharav idea is sheer nonsense.

                        She's not that crazy, because he planned this at a time when we did not have such a Strategic Missile Forces, which appeared in the 70s. And as far as is known, the naval forces opposed this idea, because they knew for sure that the detonation produced would destroy the submarine itself with its crew. And therefore they were afraid that such a launch could not be guaranteed with a probability of at least 0,9 due to the fact that they could destroy the submarine itself, and maybe the crew would not want to go to certain death.
                      6. Gardener91
                        Gardener91 23 January 2021 16: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        Poseidon is a platform .. but what kind of delivery vehicles he carries is a question ... but savvy people immediately understood which ones he was talking about ...

                        Fighting the Premier League?
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 21 January 2021 12: 49
            +1
            Then a counter question - how much energy is needed to provoke an underwater earthquake? As I vaguely recall now, this was discussed then.
            Of course, the Japanese were not going to make a tsunami and the charge power was hardly high.
            And still, all this is speculation with varying degrees of reliability.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 13: 08
              -1
              Then a counter question - how much energy is needed to provoke an underwater earthquake? ..... judging by seismology, after the signed maratorium in the mid-60s, only underground nuclear protection was carried out, in the 70s the most powerful nuclear explosion was carried out on both sides and TYZ up to 20 MT, the seismic wave bypassed the ball several times, but no significant shifts were noted, that with regard to the destabilization of the crust in the subduction areas (creeping of one plate onto another), it will be required in about 100 Kuz'ka mothers, and they must be drilled at least for eleven kilometers into the underwater part of the crawling plate in the subduction area, and that is not a fact ... these are only theoretical conclusions ... however, in these conclusions we can say that these are unimaginable costs ... especially since the Fukushima NPP is still Since then, it has been pouring tens of tons of radioactive water per second into the ocean ... for 20 years now ... where is drilling and laying 5 MT ...
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 21 January 2021 12: 47
    +1
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    Poseidon is an unmanned torpedo and not a carrier of weapons and there is only one warhead ... according to my infe, Poseidon is a platform that can be under water in a combat state for years. at what at depths that are now not accessible to hunters ... and all this chatter about the tsunami from TNT on the coast ... this is an illusion to intimidate people like this expard ... real experts have discussed this option since the time when such tests were carried out 50- -60 years and found zero sense ...

    For years, no one can be without service. You share the info, the link is there. And we'll see who wrote it
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 15: 49
      -1
      , no one can be without service. you share the info, the link is there. and we'll see who wrote it ... the Ministry of Defense ... literally "As the Ministry of Defense said, work is currently being successfully completed on the creation of modern weapons systems for the Navy Russia: an underwater complex equipped with Poseidon unmanned vehicles and a Zircon hypersonic missile system. " .. well, I don't know .... all the same, go and secret weapons ... but there is no smoke without fire
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 22 January 2021 10: 21
        0
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        , no one can be without service. you share the info, the link is there. and we'll see who wrote it ... the Ministry of Defense ... literally "As the Ministry of Defense said, work is currently being successfully completed on the creation of modern weapons systems for the Navy Russia: an underwater complex equipped with Poseidon unmanned vehicles and a Zircon hypersonic missile system. " .. well, I don't know .... all the same, go and secret weapons ... but there is no smoke without fire

        Well, Poseidon is a torpedo placed on a carrier boat.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 22 January 2021 10: 42
          0
          Well, Poseidon is a torpedo placed on a carrier boat ..... they rub it in on you ... Poseidon is the most complex system with an AEU, ..Tarting this system to a bunch is typical of idiots. For example, how to ride a chip for bread on a 250-ton BELAZ ... turn on the logic .... in the end, judge from the photo attached to the article ... on what torpedo the wheelhouse !!!
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2021 22: 11
            0
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            according to the photo attached to the article, ... on which torpedo the wheelhouse !!!

            Colleague, this is a "left" photo, to demonstrate the principle of operation of the product ... And most likely this is a photo of the Harpsichord, and it has nothing to do with the Canyon.
            There is another photo related to the height of the middle brow. It is "closer to the body" - as Guy de Maupasant used to say.
  • Machito
    Machito 21 January 2021 23: 00
    +1
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    Poseidon is an unmanned torpedo and not a carrier of weapons and there is only one warhead ... according to my infe, Poseidon is a platform that can be under water in a combat state for years. at what at depths that are now not accessible to hunters ... and all this chatter about the tsunami from TNT on the coast ... this is an illusion to intimidate people like this expard ... real experts have discussed this option since the time when such tests were carried out 50- -60 years and found zero sense ...

    If Poseidon bangs across the Canary Islands, millions of tons of soil from an extinct volcano will fall into the water, and in six hours the megatsunami will be in New York and Washington.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 22 January 2021 09: 15
      +1
      and in six hours the megatsunami will be already in New York and Washington ... ... I understand that Discovery and Neshinal geographers are fascinating channels with their computer perversions, but we must remember - it was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines - .. and if you are a supporter of such ideas, then you mate in one move ... the so-called Canary megatsunami needs to cross one important highway, it is called the GULF STREAM, which devours all the energy of this Canary duck and does not choke ... it would look like if you, with all the foolishness in your car, decided to cross the Moscow Ring Road perpendicularly at rush hour .... I wonder ... in which lane your lumps would stop ... I suppose that small fragments could have crossed the Moscow Ring Road ... just a question. . is it worth it
      1. Machito
        Machito 22 January 2021 13: 01
        0
        I agree, the Canaries are very sorry.
        As for the spherical wave from the dumping of an extinct volcano rock into the ocean, its motion vector relative to the vector of the Gulf Stream will pass in different directions. Although the Gulf Stream will add its own changes to its movement and warm water on the coast of America. A tsunami is a long wave, more than a kilometer long, caused by the vertical rise of the entire body of water from the bottom to the surface of more than ten meters. Spherical on the ocean surface. Passengers of a ship on the open ocean may not even notice that the ship has passed through a tsunami, because the wavelength is much longer than the ship. The water will simply lift the ship up a dozen or so meters.
        Discovery is an educational channel.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 January 2021 09: 49
    +4
    Maybe it's time to implement Sakharov's plan for nuclear land mines off the coast of the USA? angry
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 21 January 2021 09: 56
      +6
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Maybe it's time to implement Sakharov's plan for nuclear land mines off the coast of the USA? angry

      I am also asking myself the same question.
      The US with its Pentagon NATO has become too stubborn about Russia!
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 10: 16
      -3
      Or maybe it's time to implement Sakharov's plan ....... on this topic, if there is a desire, then you can read about this venture of the saga ... the open access is full of information about these tests on Novaya Zemlya ... a disappointing verdict ... then striped tests on this topic were also carried out on the Bekini atoll ... the result is the same ... so get the illusion out of your head ...
    3. niki233
      niki233 21 January 2021 10: 56
      +3
      so this drone is Sakharov's plan in the gland.
    4. Bradley
      Bradley 21 January 2021 11: 01
      -1
      Or maybe it's time to implement Sakharov's plan for nuclear land mines off the coast of the USA? angry

      There will not be enough charges, the energy in the water will dissipate without a tidal wave. And then, how do you imperceptibly lay all our charges (and that will not be enough)?
      Sakharov just spun some grass and gave a brilliant idea. Don't take her seriously.)
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2021 10: 36
    +3
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Dull what ...

    Dull. They did not understand that Poseidon was a "control shot". hi
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 09: 27
    +11
    The trouble with these "experts" is that they cannot understand a simple thing - RUSSIA WILL NOT HAVE THE FIRST IMPACT. Well, no one is going to fucking attack America. It is just the same America, with its declared peacefulness, unleashes wars around the world and is ready to attack the whole world. Only now they are poking around at Russia.

    And, all the more, to strike the first blow with the "Poseidons" only in the American "expert" head can be brazen.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 January 2021 09: 38
      +7
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      The trouble with these "experts" is that they cannot understand a simple thing - RUSSIA WILL NOT DELAY THE FIRST IMPACT
      I am afraid they, the collective West, in principle do not understand that they can be hit at all - "And what about us?"
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 21 January 2021 09: 59
      +8
      [/ quote] [quote = Zoldat_A] The trouble with these "experts" is that they cannot understand a simple thing - RUSSIA WILL NOT DELAY THE FIRST IMPACT. Well, no one is going to fucking attack America.

      Article 27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when itself is threatened. the existence of the state.
      The decision to use nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation. Well, the legends of the teachings here directly show this, for example, WEST 82. "The constant provocative actions of the United States have led to an aggravation of relations with the countries of the Warsaw Pact. Attempts to normalize the situation through diplomatic means have not been successful. Clashes between the armed forces of NATO and the Airborne Forces in Central Europe took place in a rapidly changing situation, it is necessary to inflict a disarming nuclear strike on the territory of the United States and other member countries. NATO.."
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 10: 04
        +7
        Quote: lwxx
        Article 27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when itself is threatened. the existence of the state.

        About the RESPONSE blow, mind you, we are talking about. And so that, like America - decided and zhahnula - neither the Constitution nor the military doctrine presupposes this. This is in the style of Rezun-Suvorov, with his reinterpretation of the reasons of the Second World War - "hit it, until it hit us." The whole West in chorus sings the mantra that Stalin simply did not have time to attack the white, fluffy and defenseless Europe - Hitler was ahead of him. Suddenly ... And the teachings - they are the teachings. At THEM, during the exercises, too, a conditional enemy did not come from Mars ... And always the same one. Both 60 years ago and now.
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 21 January 2021 10: 23
          +4
          You wrote
          RUSSIA WON'T MAKE THE FIRST IMPACT.
          We are talking about delivering a nuclear strike, and we reserved the right to deliver the FIRST nuclear strike. And the reason is already secondary.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 11: 17
            +6
            Quote: lwxx
            You wrote
            RUSSIA WON'T MAKE THE FIRST IMPACT.
            We are talking about delivering a nuclear strike, and we reserved the right to deliver the FIRST nuclear strike. And the reason is already secondary.

            Nuclear or non-nuclear strike is the tenth question. Nuclear weapons can be used if necessary - see article 27 of the Constitution. The question is about the FIRST, preventive strike. This is neither in the Constitution nor in the Doctrine. And in American doctrine THERE IS. And they confirm this with everyday practice. True, while the frail little mind has enough nuclear weapons not to use. But they were torn - even in Vietnam
            ... the preparations for the nuclear bombing were led by General William Westmoreland, the commander of the American forces in South Vietnam. With the approval of the US Pacific Command, Westmoreland devised a covert operation, code-named Fracture Jaw, that involved the transfer of tactical nuclear weapons to Vietnam.
        2. dzvero
          dzvero 21 January 2021 10: 26
          +5
          Military doctrine is a political instrument rather than a purely military one and, moreover, for peacetime. That's right - according to the constitution and doctrine, the Russian Federation does not plan to strike the first blow. But you can imagine a scenario where doctrine and constitution are thrown aside, because otherwise it is impossible ...
        3. Pereira
          Pereira 21 January 2021 10: 46
          0
          Greetings, Igor.
          For Stalin, everything is somewhat different. Larger and more interesting. If interested, I can in a personal.
          As for the conditional adversary, in 20 years the Americans have raised a new one for themselves.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 11: 29
            +3
            Michael, hi !
            Quote: Pereira
            For Stalin, everything is somewhat different. Larger and more interesting. If interested, I can in a personal.

            Yes, not about Stalin, but about the first, preventive strike. And someone who, but Stalin in 41, needed the war like a nail in his boot. But America is now - to the edge. The war will be smashed up and all the issues are resolved - both BLM and Democrats will make peace with the Republicans, and America will forget about Trump on the wave of patriotism - the American electorate cannot think more than about one thing at a time ... "Marusya! She sheds tears from happiness. her soul sings ... "
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2021 12: 06
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              America now - to the edge. It will make a war and all issues are resolved - both BLM and Democrats will make peace with the Republicans, and America will forget about Trump on a wave of patriotism

              Judging by the cancellation of a stack of decrees immediately after the inauguration, the split is serious.
              The war that has been started is likely to strengthen it.

              And it should be noted that the system still turned out to be bipartisan on many issues, but not "2 in 1". hi
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 12: 33
                +2
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                Judging by the cancellation of a stack of decrees immediately after the inauguration, the split is serious.
                The war that has been started is likely to strengthen it.

                And it should be noted that the system still turned out to be bipartisan on many issues, but not "2 in 1".

                America loves to conduct the first analysis of work after 100 days of the presidency. A significant threshold for them - did they learn from the Soviet demobels, perhaps, "hundred days"?) Let's wait, see what grandfather fakes ...

                Trump, by the way, although he did not end a single war in which the Americans are fighting, he did not start a new one either (far from the thought of calling him a peacemaker - he just kicked in front of the Kims and Iran). And this grandpa himself does not decide a fig, but "advisers" and "ministers-administrators" of all sorts do not know what they can get into their heads with ...
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 21 January 2021 12: 55
              +3
              In 29, Stalin spent 10 years preparing for war. In 39, the estimated combat readiness of the Red Army was maximum.
              The summer of 41 is the period of the greatest vulnerability of the USSR. And yes, Stalin rightly feared war in 41. Therefore, all talk about a preemptive strike is falsification. As I say, everything is more complicated.
              But on that we will finish. If not very interesting, I will not impose.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 12: 58
                +2
                Quote: Pereira
                Therefore, all talk about a preemptive strike is falsification.

                That's what I'm talking about. Only Rezun, and behind him now the entire West, disagree with me.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 21 January 2021 13: 36
                  +2
                  Rezun, he smelled something interesting. But he had a clear task - to spoil the USSR as a whole and Stalin personally. He didn't need the truth, he needed a provocation.
                  As a result, he stupidly adjusted the facts to fit his version. And what he could not fit - he sucked out of his finger. For which he was mercilessly beaten by historians.
                  The trick is not that the West does not agree with us. The trick is that the West does not know that Rezun's insinuations have long been exposed, and he himself repeatedly pokes his nose into that very substance. They don't write about it there. Probably shy.
                  There they believe that his fabrications have not been refuted by anyone, they cannot be refuted, and are a long-awaited truth. For it cannot be otherwise. Could it be that the democratic media are lying? True?
                  Why go far there, but our liberals think differently? Only they still have the genetic fear of the cleared fifth column before repeating the cleansing, but this time in relation to themselves.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 21 January 2021 17: 02
                +2
                Quote: Pereira
                In 29, Stalin spent 10 years preparing for war. In 39, the estimated combat readiness of the Red Army was maximum.

                Uh-huh ... on paper. This was followed by the Soviet-Finnish and the ever-memorable "Act of transferring NCOs", from which it is known that NCOs did not even know the number of their subordinates. There is nothing to say about almost fifteen hundred tanks and four hundred BA, which disappeared into nowhere in the 30s.
                Especially contributed to the combat readiness of the Red Army, the territorial-militia recruitment system and the "triple" deployment system. The latter began to be broken exactly in 1939, leaving the Red Army at the same time without a mob-reserve - only with personnel connections.
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 11: 34
      -10%
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      RUSSIA WON'T MAKE THE FIRST STRIKE

      It is, of course, yes.
      But anyway.
      If only you could sneak up to coastal cities and naval bases.
      If it were possible to fire simultaneously charges off the coast and in orbit (disguised as civilian satellites).
      And then give the hall to all the strategic nuclear forces.
      Wouldn't it be tempting to push a button?
      After all, they are all there years, spiritless and Russophobes, and therefore deserve death.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 January 2021 11: 55
        +5
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        If only you could sneak up to coastal cities and naval bases.
        If it were possible to fire simultaneously charges off the coast and in orbit (disguised as civilian satellites).
        And then give the hall to all the strategic nuclear forces

        Why do we need this? What do we need Texas oil? Or do we dream of conquering shale gas? Yes, let them live with their Russophobia as they want - just need to greet less. Let them eat their burgers in peace. We will be able to answer in such a way that half of America will not even have time to blow their nose. And to attack them ... Yes, it didn't hurt, and I wanted to ...

        And you correctly noticed about the freaks ... good
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 12: 16
          -6
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Why do we need it? What do we need Texas oil?

          But what about the spiritual mission of Russia?
          They consider themselves on serious shchschah to be the Kingdom of God on Earth, the New Israel - well, Manifest Destiny there and all that kind of nonsense.
          But it is we, the heirs of the Moscow Kingdom - the Third Rome and the Kingdom of God on Earth, the last refuge of true Christianity (Orthodoxy), and in Europe - heretics-catholic, and in America twice heretics - Protestants.
          Shouldn't we, before the onset of the Last Judgment, scorch their lands with an all-purifying fire, like Sodom and Gomorrah, from which the righteous will be saved, and the sinners will be cast into hell?
          And our President talked about it, I remember.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 21 January 2021 14: 50
            +1
            Just don't breed cannibalism here under the guise of religion.
            Moreover, for me, the dispute between pointed and blunt points is of little interest. If only Ganesha was not touched. Among all the gods, he is the cutest. Dionysus is good too, but he drinks too much.
            If I were to cleanse the Earth, I would start from a completely different place. And no excuses like Sodom.
            And I would not touch Gomorrah at all. Let the lesbians have fun.
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 15: 02
              -4
              Well, since religion doesn’t work, you can think of something else to punish.
              For eating too much, for example.
              But it is imperative to punish, because it is not fig.
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 21 January 2021 15: 33
                0
                It is necessary to punish who argues. Only the motivation must be chosen correctly. And then it comes out on the zhlobsky. Not in Russian.
                So the Kirghiz will want to punish us. We eat too much compared to them.
                And the Americans themselves have already raised such punitive criminals. They managed without us.
                You'd better think about something else. Where will the whites from Europe run when the blacks and the Arabs drive them? Isn't it a rush to build refugee camps?
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 15: 52
                  -4
                  Quote: Pereira
                  Isn't it a rush to build refugee camps?

                  With gas chambers?
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 21 January 2021 16: 25
                    +1
                    What a cruel you are.
                    Who is the janitor in your house?
                    I have an Uzbek. I see no reason not to change it to a German or a Swede.
                    1. Narak-zempo
                      Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 16: 30
                      -6
                      Quote: Pereira
                      Who is the janitor in your house?

                      When the hostess from whom I rent a room cleans the yard when she asks me to.
                      Quote: Pereira
                      I have an Uzbek. I see no reason not to change it to a German or a Swede.

                      And you are a racist, however.
                      Uzbek is spiritually closer to Russian.
                      1. Pereira
                        Pereira 21 January 2021 17: 33
                        +2
                        Am I a racist? You are mistaken, I am not a Negro.
                        I don’t know how close the Uzbeks are to you, but in Berlin the Germans don’t shout at the Russians — go home and don’t rob them. Otherwise, yes, the Uzbeks are very close.
                      2. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 17: 34
                        -5
                        Quote: Pereira
                        I don’t know how close the Uzbeks are to you, but in Berlin the Germans don’t shout at the Russians — go home and don’t rob them. Otherwise, yes, the Uzbeks are very close.

                        Where are the Uzbeks shouting to you to go home? In Russia or Uzbekistan?
                      3. Pereira
                        Pereira 21 January 2021 17: 41
                        +4
                        They screamed in the 90s. And when they were kicked out, they followed the Russians. Now they wonder why they want to send them back. Like - we are for sho? Doesn't it look like anything?
                        In general, judging by the questions, you do not live in Russia.
                      4. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 20: 04
                        -4
                        Quote: Pereira
                        In general, judging by the questions, you do not live in Russia.

                        Trosna, Oryol region.
                        There are no Uzbeks here, Kazan Tatars live in 2 houses, and I haven't met anyone from Central Asia.
                      5. Pereira
                        Pereira 21 January 2021 23: 39
                        0
                        Then you are more fortunate. One side. On the other hand, a deep disappointment awaits you in life when you come face to face with Asia. Then we'll see who turns out to be a racist.
                      6. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 21 January 2021 23: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Pereira
                        Then you are more fortunate. One side. On the other hand, a deep disappointment awaits you in life when you come face to face with Asia. Then we'll see who turns out to be a racist.

                        This is not the first time in our history. We all are the heirs of the Golden Horde, with the natives of the Desht-i-Kipchak, the Great Steppe, quarreled and reconciled, but we did not have an ontological confrontation, as with Western Europe. So the Uzbek is closer to me than the Swede. Moreover, the father, although Russian, is from Kazakhstan.
                      7. Pereira
                        Pereira 21 January 2021 23: 50
                        +1
                        I have known several Russian refugees from Kazakhstan. They have not forgotten anything and have not forgiven.
                        And I'm not sure that the Uzbek, in turn, will tell you about the proximity of the Russians. I'm afraid your love is one-sided.
                        But if the tales of the brotherhood of peoples still caress the consciousness, I dare not interfere.
                      8. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 22 January 2021 09: 38
                        -1
                        I mean that all sorts of Germans and Swedes there are Russophobes on a deeper level.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 22 January 2021 12: 44
          -1
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Uzbek is spiritually closer to Russian.

          Of course, that's why they drove the Russians out of Central Asia so fiercely that we still believe in their spirituality.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 21 January 2021 16: 29
    0
    They are simply not stupid and understand who they are dealing with. The Soviet general secretaries could not do this. And the St. Petersburg bandits are easy.
  • IRS
    IRS 21 January 2021 09: 28
    +6
    The American columnist for whom this article was written is a complete .. propagandist). ... Interestingly, it has already dawned on him that he, too, cannot hide. And "Poseidons" can not only defend, but also attack, and unexpectedly ... and crushingly, and most importantly .. in advance). It is impossible to intercept, to detect the launch - too, to detect in advance - is unlikely until it is too late. Apparently he does not know that the Poseidons ... will not surrender without a fight).
    In general, the usual banal stupidity of this article, this American columnist ...

    P / S These scribblers are all ... friends of Psaki)).
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2021 09: 29
    +6
    American weapons expert David Ex ... By the time Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist
    And this man calls himself a military expert? A propagandist of American superiority suits him better. In his opinion, Russia probably does not have the Strategic Missile Forces, the nuclear fleet, and aviation? Complete nonsense.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 21 January 2021 09: 45
      +3
      And this man calls himself a military expert? A propagandist of American superiority suits him better. In his opinion, Russia probably does not have the Strategic Missile Forces, the nuclear fleet, and aviation? Complete nonsense.

      this fool does not understand one simple truth - it is possible and necessary to inflict punitive blows of nuclear weapons on the attacking systems of the United States. But it's more effective to hit their decision-making centers. Let senators and congressmen, the president, together with his administration, know that "Kuz'k's mother" is nearby, at a distance that the shock wave will travel in 2,5 minutes
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2021 09: 31
    +2
    Russia will cease to exist
    and he is definitely an expert ?!
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 January 2021 09: 54
      +3
      and he is definitely an expert ?! ..... and you didn’t know why ... there’s every striped negro ekperd there now ... they even lick their shoes like this expert
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 January 2021 09: 32
    +1
    Wars don't start right away. Even if you do not plan to attack, then on the basis of bone signs, according to intelligence data, you can predict the enemy's plans and start deploying your own containment forces - the withdrawal of SSBNs into positional patrolling areas, the withdrawal of mobile soil complexes to the deployment sites, bringing units to combat readiness. Within the framework of these measures, it is implied the deployment of Poseidon carriers off the coast of a potential enemy. It's on paper. And the lyrics are, can the Fleet SUPPORT the deployment of submarines for a retaliatory strike? The answer to this question is given by a number of articles by Timokhin, Klimov, Kolobov on the state of affairs in the Russian Navy.
    So the question is rhetorical - can "Poseidon" be the weapon with which it is positioned? For the quantity and quality of the submarine forces of the overseas "partner" in terms of detecting and escorting enemy submarines is much higher than ours .... request
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 21 January 2021 09: 48
      -3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      And the lyrics are, can the Fleet SUPPORT the deployment of submarines for a retaliatory strike?
      unfortunately dear Klimov and Timokhin are right, we have a lot of pink ponies hovering in the clouds that dream of some wunderwaffe (battleships, aircraft carriers), spherical horses (Kuzya) in a vacuum (an ocean where there is not a single enemy ship) who will go somewhere (where why?) and someone there will "project power" (not so strong they really will sink on the first mine or from the fifth missile), and in these dreams they forgot about the roots of security, the edge is based on the possibility of unhindered access to the ocean of nuclear submarines and Poseidons, and for the provision of which a wunderwaffe is not required, but only those existing ships that are now, for some reason, uselessly smeared over the warm seas, ...
      SHEETS AND ROOTS
      On a beautiful summer day
      Casting a shadow across the valley
      Sheets whispered leaves on a tree with marshmallows,
      They boasted of their density, their greenness
      And here is how they explained themselves to marshmallows:
      “Isn't it true that we are the beauty of the entire valley?
      That we tree is so magnificent and curly,
      Sprawling and majestic?
      What would be in him without us? Well, right,
      10 We can praise ourselves without sin!
      We are not from the heat of a shepherd
      And shelter in the cool shade of a stranger?
      Are we not our beauty
      Are we attracting the shepherds to dance here?
      We have an early and late dawn
      A nightingale whistles.
      Yes you marshmallows yourself
      You hardly ever part with us. "
      "You could say thank you here and to us",
      20His voice answered humbly from the ground.
      “Who dares to speak so arrogantly and arrogantly!”
      Who are you there
      Why boldly reckon with us? " -
      The sheets rustled in the wood, rustling.
      "We are the ones"
      They answered from below:
      “Who, here rummaging in the dark,
      We feed you. Can’t you recognize?
      We are the roots of the tree on which you bloom.
      30 Show off in a good hour!
      Yes, just remember that difference between us:
      That with the new spring a new leaf will be born;
      And if the root dries up, -
      There will be no tree, not you. "
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 January 2021 09: 58
      0
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Wars don't start right away. Even if you do not plan to attack, then on the basis of bone signs, according to intelligence data, you can predict the enemy's plans and start deploying your own containment forces - the withdrawal of SSBNs into positional patrolling areas, the withdrawal of mobile soil complexes to the deployment sites, bringing units to combat readiness. Within the framework of these measures, it is implied the deployment of Poseidon carriers off the coast of a potential enemy. It's on paper. And the lyrics are, can the Fleet SUPPORT the deployment of submarines for a retaliatory strike? The answer to this question is given by a number of articles by Timokhin, Klimov, Kolobov on the state of affairs in the Russian Navy.
      So the question is rhetorical - can "Poseidon" be the weapon with which it is positioned? For the quantity and quality of the submarine forces of the overseas "partner" in terms of detecting and escorting enemy submarines is much higher than ours .... request

      Do not forget the psychology and mentality. Everyone knew that Germany would attack and in the end? The same with the attack on Pearl Harbor, Port Arthur
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 21 January 2021 10: 13
        0
        In Germany - questions to the leadership. Everything indicated that Germany would attack. Pearl Harbor is an outright bait. The Yapps have taken a bite, the Yankees have a reason for patriotic revenge on the "insidious" Japanese. And do not forget about the fact that the Japanese frankly screwed up with the presentation of the note on the declaration of war, therefore everything looks like without a declaration ... Port Arthur - the Russians knew that sooner or later there would be war. But they were preparing for 1905. The Japanese decided to attack earlier, without waiting for the strengthening of the enemy fleet. Therefore, the chattering of the fleet in the outer roadstead and the consequences of this hang entirely on the conscience of the leadership, which thought in its own way.
        Today's risks with intelligence capabilities, modern weapons do not allow ignoring any prerequisites. request
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 21 January 2021 11: 37
          -1
          Pearl Harbor - in some way the same "Twin Towers", a decoy and an excuse to mobilize the United States for full entry into the war. The only difference is that the Americans finished off the "Towers" with laid charges, and in 1941 the Japanese themselves worked well.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 21 January 2021 12: 49
            +1
            So am I about the same smile
  • spectr
    spectr 21 January 2021 09: 33
    +2
    The author asks the question: why do we need a slow and vulnerable submarine with an atomic bomb on board, if there are thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads?

    The comrade is somehow one-sided in his assessment. Missile strikes will be reciprocal, which will lead to serious destruction of military infrastructures. And by the time the nuclear torpedo swims to the shores, there will most likely be nothing to stop it.
  • bar
    bar 21 January 2021 09: 33
    +4
    Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.

    And in two days there will be no America either. They even became infuriated after the victory over democracy. This is not good, especially considering the number of senile / bap / colored / transgender people and other inadequate people who came to power. negative
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 January 2021 09: 40
    +10
    remembered ... wassat
  • Horon
    Horon 21 January 2021 09: 40
    +5
    Weapons like "Poseidons" are weapons of "delayed death", a weapon that will spoil the joy of victory in the event of an attack. The enemy must understand that having destroyed Russia with the first blow, he will not have to rest on his laurels for a long time, after the "Poseidons" the enemy will have to prove to his neighbors that he is still alive or hope for their mercy. In any case, as a strong state, it will disappear. And yes, after Russia disappears, she will not have to rush, because a couple of days of delay is such a small amount in the eyes of eternity!
  • Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 21 January 2021 09: 40
    +8
    There is such a concept - inevitability. In some application contexts, it is very scary.
    The more varied means and opportunities to respond, the better.
    And the experts seem to have got used to it for a long time
    to live in comfort and coziness and war for them is always mattress flags on TV and bravura statements of politicians.
    Dissuading such fools is usually expensive and ineffective: the death of millions / billions of the world's population, the destruction of civilization. Leopard change his spots...
  • I AM BELARUSIAN
    I AM BELARUSIAN 21 January 2021 09: 50
    +2
    What do they want to check? They don't think with their heads at all. Naive.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 21 January 2021 09: 52
    0
    Even if the Poseidons reach the US coast after the country that released them ceases to exist, it will still be a devastating blow.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 21 January 2021 09: 53
    -1
    Mattress makers have a war every day. They love to invent enemies for themselves.
  • prior
    prior 21 January 2021 09: 54
    +1
    David Ex.
    If it can comfort you that America will last 15 minutes longer, then rejoice.
    During this time, knowing that an answer will arrive, you can put it in your pants from "happiness" several times. It’s a dubious pleasure to go out to the underworld in a bastard.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 January 2021 10: 09
      +5
      Actually, we are talking about Poseidons, and they do not fly. Therefore, we are not talking about any 15 minutes.
      1. prior
        prior 21 January 2021 10: 12
        -1
        Is it important? Even if they manage to change their pants, the end result is the same.
  • ILIA
    ILIA 21 January 2021 10: 02
    +1
    But what an intrigue))))
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 21 January 2021 10: 03
    -4
    The author asks the question: why do we need a slow and vulnerable submarine with an atomic bomb on board, if there are thousands of fast and sophisticated missiles with nuclear warheads?

    Yes, not only the author asks this question ..

    They wonder whether these devices are real weapons or created for propaganda purposes.


    Well, of course, real ones ..)))))))
    1. teron
      teron 21 January 2021 11: 04
      -1
      Real, unreal - money has been spent and still will be spent on the maintenance of this system. I liked the "only a few billion." These several billions would be useful to us elsewhere.
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 21 January 2021 11: 10
        -1
        Real, unreal - money has been spent and still will be spent on the maintenance of this system.

        This is the trick ..
        When a project is unrealistic, money can be spent on something else .. for example, on the Palace ..))
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 January 2021 10: 04
    -1
    Well, they will not sail and swim at the moment of the attack .... but they will be somewhere on patrol ...... then, if the connection is lost, they will receive a signal from the "Dead Hand" and will swim where necessary.

    They will celebrate, open champagne and then the Poseidon sailed 10 pieces
  • shinobi
    shinobi 21 January 2021 10: 05
    +2
    Having blown up just one "Mother Kuzma", the USSR left the plans for the war of the Pentagon only with plans. Poseidon's BC will be somewhat more modest. But who said that a delayed retaliation strike would be ineffective? Who prevents them from hitting the AUG? Who called them experts? Ordinary talkers? poorly proficient in the topic.
  • Constanty
    Constanty 21 January 2021 10: 06
    +6
    Any use of nuclear weapons in the Russian-American conflict means the so-called "overkill" for both sides and in any case for the whole world.

    Poseidon, like the rest of the nuclear arsenal, is rather a weapon to stop aggression, a kind of security card for Russia. Even if it were the so-called "dead hand" weapon

    Paradoxical as it may sound, in my opinion, nuclear weapons have been the cause of peace between the powers over the past 70 years.

    Anyway, look at Iraq or Afghanistan versus North Korea - in the case of the first pretext, it was working on weapons of mass destruction, and that is why they were attacked (knowing they did not exist). Korea has such a weapon and therefore they will not attack it.
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 21 January 2021 10: 07
    0
    Quote: HUNTERDON
    Until Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States

    This phrase suggests that the American expert specifically understands that USA will be the aggressor
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 21 January 2021 10: 08
    0
    Well, VVP spoke clearly .. "that we will die and they will die ... then .. but in terrible agony ... and this will be God's punishment ..
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 21 January 2021 10: 54
      -1
      VVP spoke clearly ..


      Well, you found someone to listen to ..))

      1. Local from the Volga
        Local from the Volga 21 January 2021 13: 14
        +1
        So go listen to your Baydan or the clown from the cinema!
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  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 21 January 2021 10: 09
    +2
    = American observer: By the time the Russian Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist =
    He is pleased with the prospect of dying for 5 minutes. later than me?
    This is not what this grief columnist is thinking. Not about that.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 21 January 2021 10: 57
      -3
      This is not what this grief columnist is thinking. Not about that.

      Why is he suddenly a grief columnist ??)
      Maybe he is a good specialist ..))
      Nobody dies, calm down already .. and nobody thinks about it .. In any case - no more than ours ..))
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 21 January 2021 11: 09
        0
        Quote: Roman123567

        Nobody dies, calm down already .. and nobody thinks about it .. In any case - no more than ours ..))

        What makes you think that I'm worried?
        Quote: Roman123567

        Why is he suddenly a grief columnist ??)
        Maybe he is a good specialist ..))

        If he were a "good specialist", he would not please his readers with the opportunity to die as much as 5 minutes later than us, but would explain to his readers that it is better not to touch Russia, otherwise ...
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 21 January 2021 11: 23
          -5
          What makes you think that I'm worried?
          From the fact that you continue to reason on the basis that we will die .. and someone 5 minutes earlier ..

          If he was a "good specialist", he would not please his readers with the opportunity to die as much as 5 minutes later than us


          He does not make anyone happy .. he just wonders about the rationality of these systems ..))
          Some people like to analyze the available information ..

          I would explain to my readers that it is better not to touch Russia,


          The key is that neither he himself nor his readers - Russia has ever touched, and are not going to !! And they have no such opportunity either.
          Therefore, there is no point in explaining this ..

          But making money from writing, trying to figure out "why and why" is quite possible .. What people do ..
          And this, completely harmless occupation, suddenly causes such a bathert ..))
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 January 2021 10: 16
    +3
    It's strange. It seems that Forbes didn’t jaundice before, but here there’s such a goofy propaganda with a single-celled reader in mind. It is clear, however, that this is a weapon of a guaranteed retaliatory strike. And about the "vulnerable submarine" - how was he going to "bite" her at a depth of a kilometer? Heilelicle or sanctions? There won't work anymore
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 21 January 2021 10: 23
    +1
    The inevitability of retaliation as a deterrent
  • made13
    made13 21 January 2021 10: 37
    0
    So for this Poseidon is needed - to wipe those who raised their hand against us from the face of the Earth.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 21 January 2021 11: 05
      -2
      So for this Poseidon is needed - to wipe those who raised their hand against us from the face of the Earth.


      And there was an article here, where it was correctly disassembled and chewed .. that even all our nuclear charges are not capable of turning America into dust ..
      It will be hot, it will hurt .. but the country will still remain ..
      And you are some Poseidons (they even exist, and how many of them ??) are going to erase something from the Earth ..)))
      1. made13
        made13 21 January 2021 11: 29
        +1
        Erase, not erase, but it will be possible to throw society back into the Stone Age.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 21 January 2021 10: 38
    +1
    Why get there? I think that they will rest quietly at the bottom of the sea off the American coast waiting in the wings
  • anjey
    anjey 21 January 2021 10: 45
    0
    Until the Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist.
    It proves once again the aggressiveness of the West, counting on the first and unexpected blow to Russia.
  • Cron
    Cron 21 January 2021 10: 45
    -1
    Well, yes, sadly, you will be saved with the help of sea transport, after a nuclear strike by Russia, and then Poseidon swims up. Not humane
  • shubin
    shubin 21 January 2021 10: 47
    -1

    Remember the old days of Bzezhinsky more often, his words about the Russian elite and their billions in US banks.
  • storm
    storm 21 January 2021 10: 48
    0
    The Poseidons are called upon to "hammer the last nail into the roof of the coffin of American imperialism" ...
    And if they were not afraid of Poseidons, then they would not "booze" ...
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 21 January 2021 11: 07
      0
      And if they were not afraid of Poseidons


      They say - Tom Cruise cannot sleep at night .. afraid of Poseidon ..))

      PS .. we have a lot of those in the Russian Federation who are afraid of theirs Trident (or what they have there) ??
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 January 2021 10: 51
    0
    Well, my grandmother said it in two. It is not a fact that when trying to strike, the United States will be bent earlier, but simply grind with torpedoes to complete the picture.
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 21 January 2021 10: 53
    -2
    Yes, they always do not understand why? Control shot. And who told him that it would take 2 days to get there, maybe 20 minutes. And why dirty, maybe the purest?
  • Bradley
    Bradley 21 January 2021 10: 55
    +4
    Indeed, the money and resources from Poseidon could be used for ICBMs, which are much more effective.
    So the author is right - "Poseidons" - a weapon of intimidation, not deterrence. Deterrence weapon - ICBM.
  • AlexeyEg
    AlexeyEg 21 January 2021 10: 55
    0
    So I understand that during the tension of the situation with the USA .. torpedoes are simply brought out closer to the coast .. and look with a predatory gaze in the right direction. And in case of cancellation of the nix, they return to the base back.
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 21 January 2021 11: 03
    -1
    Poseidons are generally a peaceful product, they are intended for the implementation of the Stalin Strait project, back in the 60s, channels were dug with nuclear explosions =)
  • certero
    certero 21 January 2021 11: 03
    +2
    In theory, Poseidon can carry a bomb with a capacity of 100 megatons or even more. Such a warhead is difficult to insert
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 January 2021 11: 37
      +2
      There are no mathematical explosion models for such warheads.
      It's not a fact that out of the planned 100, 10 will work.
      Therefore, such monsters have long been abandoned.
      Reasonable calculated power limits are generally 2-3 megatons.
      In an air explosion, the maximum destructive effect is 0.5 mt
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 21 January 2021 14: 51
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There are no mathematical explosion models for such warheads.

        Mathematical models of explosion and warheads with a capacity of 50..100Mt were developed, manufactured and successfully tested in the last century.
        Manufacturing and delivering 1 nuclear warhead with a capacity of 100 MT is an order of magnitude cheaper than manufacturing and delivering 100 nuclear warheads of 1 MT each with the same radioactive contamination of targets.
  • cniza
    cniza 21 January 2021 11: 06
    +2
    Owen Cote of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has suggested that by making several dozen Poseidons, Russia is creating the illusion of something significant and trying to produce a frightening effect, spending only a few billion dollars on it.


    Guess, suffer and do not sleep at night ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 January 2021 11: 34
      +2
      Hi soldier
      To admit the obvious that in the event of a conflict, kirdyk will come to all parties to the conflict, they do not want to understand, accept.
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 January 2021 12: 14
        +4
        Good time! hi

        A generation has come whose sense of fear has dulled, they do not know what war and mutual destruction are, it is very dangerous ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 January 2021 12: 22
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          it is very dangerous...

          Auto-save, restore, restart buttons, NO in real life!
          It, of course, will then reach everyone ... if everyone who did not reach in advance will survive.
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 January 2021 13: 06
            +1
            It is better to use the experience of elders than to make your own, let's hope they will see clearly ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 January 2021 13: 29
              +1
              You will also have to gain your experience ... but not from virtual shooters, though!
              1. cniza
                cniza 21 January 2021 13: 35
                +2
                This is undoubtedly, but based on the experience of previous generations it would be more correct, it's like a vaccination ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 21 January 2021 14: 07
                  +1
                  The experience of ancestors is the basis on which the skills needed today are superimposed.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 21 January 2021 14: 11
                    +2
                    And I mean it, and some want from a clean slate and without taking into account what has been gained ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 21 January 2021 14: 14
                      +1
                      Some, having passed the floor of hundreds of levels, no matter what shooters, consider themselves I don’t know who ???
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 21 January 2021 14: 32
                        +2
                        Yes, we have talked about this more than once, they are now coming to the levers of power, or maybe we are worried in vain?
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 January 2021 14: 37
                        +1
                        How to say .... to break away from the mouse and immediately into the ministerial, commanding chair, this is BUT!
                        They talked about the former leaders, from the plow, from the machine, not the best option - I was moving along the party line. It was something like this.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 21 January 2021 15: 50
                        +2
                        It was in every way, but there were overwhelming majority of professionals and specialists ...
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 January 2021 19: 41
                        +1
                        The control was good behind the scenes ... for the time being, for the time being!
                        That's when control is not, then everything rolled down.
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 21 January 2021 20: 38
                        +2
                        Precisely, from this everything collapsed ...
  • sleeve
    sleeve 21 January 2021 11: 06
    +1
    Detonator for the San Andrea Rift.
  • migsu
    migsu 21 January 2021 11: 09
    0
    Under the planetary caps of the electronic warfare-missile defense system of the Russian Aerospace Forces, everything that even tries to take off will "self-destruct"!
  • wow
    wow 21 January 2021 11: 12
    -1
    That's why the Americans do not have time to change diapers. And all this bravura chatter from a simple animal fear, the inevitability of terrible retribution.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 21 January 2021 11: 27
    0
    The best response to this American observer is our silence. Deathly silence :)
  • Boris63
    Boris63 21 January 2021 11: 27
    0
    I don’t know ... but it seems like something else about the picture Status 6 said that the device can lie down in advance in the area of ​​the alleged attack and, on "command", make this attack. The only question is ... how long can the device "be" in this mode: month, year ...
  • Rufat
    Rufat 21 January 2021 11: 28
    0
    Again they picked up an old Soviet development and decided to cut the budget
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 January 2021 11: 31
    0
    American observer: Until the Russian Poseidon reaches the shores of the United States and strikes, Russia will cease to exist

    That's all their striped logic ... just accept that it will reach them anyway, fly, swim and they will follow !!! no way.
    Be sure to attack first!
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 21 January 2021 14: 13
      0
      "Fox and Grapes". Maybe not so high and hanging, for how Vigorous!
  • anEkeName
    anEkeName 21 January 2021 11: 40
    +2
    Well, stupid-s-s !!!
    Poseidons are, in fact, mines, not torpedoes, if I understood correctly. They lie in the affected area and wait for the command to detonate. Elementary.
    It would be naive to believe that all the Poseidons will be at the base until the hour X and wait until this base is covered, and if they do not, they will go to the target in single file.
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 21 January 2021 11: 54
    +1
    Silly thing, the Poseidons will sail to finish what you started, but you won't be there either! Read nothing more stupid, expert macaque on a palm tree! They say we are on an island far away and on a palm tree, it will not touch us and will not reach us, it’s how the people needed the brains!
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 21 January 2021 11: 56
    +1
    The American obsession has no idea that Poseidon may already be off the American coast, there is no need to sail anywhere))
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 21 January 2021 12: 02
    0
    which will get from the Russian coast to the American coast for two whole days.

    Then the United States will cease to exist. Well, two days can be tolerated. yes
    1. Escobar
      Escobar 22 January 2021 16: 25
      -1
      Well, the states are also not boobies, it is not without reason that they rushed to develop new aircraft torpedo mines and equip drones with sonar and buoys. I'm afraid if Poseidon exists, the American PLO will score him on the approaches. Perhaps from submarines it could be used against the AUG.