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Model of the "inevitable"

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For whom advantage in a hypothetical conflict over the Black Sea


Ankara continues the policy of aggravating the political situation with both military-technical assistance to Kiev and active operations on the Syrian border. American analytical agencies believe that the likelihood of a Russian-Turkish armed conflict is quite large or even inevitable.

Discussion of the confrontation between Moscow and Ankara became one of the favorite topics not only in the media, but also among experts of varying degrees of awareness and engagement. Let us try to figure out how a conflict may develop in the air over the Black Sea, what are the advantages and weaknesses of the parties.

New Janissaries


Turkey is among the NATO leaders in terms of both the number and quality of the air force. The basis of the fleet of combat aircraft are 260 light fighter F-16C / D, combined in ten combat and one training squadron (each in number corresponds to our air regiment).

Eight out of ten combat squadrons train primarily as fighter-bombers for strikes against ground targets. But if necessary, they can be used without restrictions as fighters using the most modern aviation means of destruction.

Three more squadrons of the Turkish Air Force, one of which is a fighter, are equipped with much older F-4E, whose life, despite the modernization, is coming to an end. In modern air combat, these machines do not have a serious combat value.

Pending the delivery of the ordered F-35, Turkey pays great attention to extending the life of its F-16. In April, the 2015 of the year was completed the upgrade of the 163 fighters built at the beginning - the middle of the 90-s to the Block 50 variant of the United States Common Configuration Implementation Program. In addition, the Air Force has 30 F-16C / D, assembled in 2011 – 2012-m in Turkey itself according to the option Block 50 +. More than 30 F-80C / D Block 16 produced at the end of 30-s are preserved, which are also planned to be modernized.

The main change in Block 50 was the updated AN / APG-68 (V) 9 radar with a detection range increased by 30 percent compared to earlier versions. The new radar allows you to capture the targets of a heavy fighter class at a distance of 105 kilometers, and detect them at least 150 kilometers.

Being a radar with an active phased array, the AN / APG-68 (V) 9 has new modes of operation - from synthesis of a high resolution radar image of the earth to an extremely useful adaptive power mode in air combat, which sharply reduces the probability of radar detection by the enemy.

Upgraded to Block 50, the vehicles also gained the ability to use the latest AIM-9X Sidewinder melee rockets, coupled with a helmet-mounted target designation system and equipped with new onboard self-defense complexes.

Model of the "inevitable"The strengths of the Turkish Air Force decided to attribute the quality training of pilots, the average annual flight time of which is 180 hours. The Turkish Air Force is constantly participating in major international exercises of NATO fighters, where they adopt the techniques of the American long-range and close-range air combat. Pilots have combat experience in strikes against ground targets, as well as power, albeit without real use. weapons, confrontation with the fighters of Greece. They were repeatedly conducted group maneuverable near air battles. The most modern American air-to-air missiles of medium (AIM-120C-7) and short (AIM-9X-2) range are in service.

As only part of the NATO mechanism, Turkey cannot boast of universality. In the event of a large-scale air war, Ankara must rely on the support of other members of the bloc, primarily the United States. When conducting an air campaign on its own, it will face a lack of competencies. First of all, this refers to the problem of control and management of the Air Force far from its land borders. This task should be solved by AWACS aircraft. Turkey now has only three full-fledged Boeing 737 AEW & C air control stations and two more CN-235M EW radar aircraft.

Another weak point is the acute shortage of tanker aircraft: there are only seven KC-135R Stratotanker. This is especially important for light F-16, having a limited range in flight without refueling.

Extremely weak and reconnaissance capabilities of the country's Air Force: only one of its own optical reconnaissance satellite with a resolution of 0,8 meter and one squadron of reconnaissance aircraft RF-4E. This is another competency that should be provided to the country by the allies. Such restrictions not only reduce Turkey’s ability to independently project forces far from its borders, but also serve as part of the NATO’s “safety valve” designed to deter Ankara from an overly independent military policy.

Turkey’s air defense is completely inadequate to protect even home-based airfields. After the disruption of the tender for the supply of modern long-range systems, the Turkish Air Force, which began back in 2006, has only eight outdated shelves of Nike Hercules stationary MIM-14 and mobile MIM-23 HAWK, relics of the Cold War. This makes the airbase almost defenseless for strikes with cruise and ballistic missiles.

In order to protect the airspace of the country from external threats, Turkey has six batteries provided by NATO allies with more modern MIM-104 Patriot air defense systems, both in anti-aircraft and anti-missile configurations. Whether they are ready to immediately come to the rescue in the event of a conflict in question is a moot point.

Who are we on the lines?


If, in the event of a possible conflict, Ankara will have to use all its air forces, then at the first stage they will be opposed by the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army, which is part of the Southern Military District, and the Black Sea Aviation. fleetreinforced by long-range aviation.

In recent years, the 4 Air Army has been intensively re-armed with new fighters and bombers, and now includes the 566 th Bomber Aviation Regiment in Morozovsk (Rostov Region), which has a trio of Su-34 bomber squadrons (36 airplanes), 11 th amicable personnel air regiment in Marinovka (Volgograd region) as part of a bomber and reconnaissance squadron, 37-th mixed air regiment in the Crimean Guards (bomber and assault squadron), 19-th aviation regiment in Millerovo Rostov region (4 eska drills) with Su-30СМ and MiG-29 fighters, 3 guards pr-ps in Krymsk (Krasnodar Territory) - two squadrons of Su-27M3 fighters, Su-30М2, 38-th fighter squadrons and aprons-to-prints Also, the 27 Army has two assault aviation regiments in Primorsk-Akhtarsk and Budennovsk, all in all are five squadrons of Su-3.

The naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet is represented by the 43-m naval assault aviation regiment based in the village of Saki. There are two squadrons of Su-30CM multifunctional fighters and Su-24 front-line bombers (8 Su-30CM and 15 order Su-24) in the regiment.

In total, as part of the VKS, Russia in the southwestern direction can oppose to the probable enemy nine bomber and fighter squadrons equipped with both the newest Su-34 and Su-30CM, as well as the older front-line bombers Su-24. Five fighter squadrons armed with Su-27M3 and Su-30М2, as many assault squadrons at Su-25. Separately, it should be noted the Russian contingent in Armenia, represented by the air base in Erebuni, where it is deployed near the squadron of MiG-29 fighter jets.

The 4 Army of the Air Force and Air Defense include two air defense divisions - 31 and 51. 51-I, recently deployed in the Crimea, is one of the youngest units of the Russian HVS, armed with C-300PM and ZRPK Pantsir.

Although the headquarters of the 31 Division is located in Rostov-on-Don, two anti-aircraft missile regiments of this compound are deployed on the Black Sea. The 1537 th SRP, equipped with C-300 and more modern C-400, covers the potential enemy Novorossiysk from strikes, and the two divisions of the 1721 regiment are protected by Buk-M1 and Pantsir complexes on the Black Sea coast from Tuapse to Sochi.

A few years ago, the modified Turkish F-16 had a clear advantage over all Russian fighters of the old building, which were in service with the Southern Military District. Especially great was Ankara’s superiority in long-range air combat, for which the combination of an effective radar, its own low radar visibility, an effective self-defense complex and EW, as well as armament, are crucial. With the start of mass deliveries of new aircraft in the Russian Aerospace System, the situation is changing, but not as quickly as we would like.

Even the Su-27CM and the Su-30М2 of the new construction are inferior to the modernized Turkish F-16 in both long-range and melee air combat. Their weakest point is outdated, despite all the modifications, radar Н001. At the same time, the Su-30CM, equipped with the powerful H011М Bars-R, has some superiority over the inconspicuous F-16 of modern modifications, and the controlled thrust vector gives the “thirty” an indisputable advantage in short-range maneuvering combat.

Indisputable dominance over the latest modifications of the Turkish F-16 in dueling situations, especially in long-range air combat, can only be provided by Su-35, equipped with a much more power-armed and intelligent radar of the H035 "Irbis" and modern RVV-MD and RVV-SD missiles. The stated performance of the "thirty-fifth" should provide a significant advantage over any modifications to the F-16.

Unfortunately, the Su-35 is not in the Southern Military District yet, so we have to admit that today Russia still does not have a qualitative advantage in fighter aircraft over Turkey. The strength of the Russian Aerospace Forces is self-sufficiency and the ability to mobilize numerous auxiliary resources to solve the air supremacy task - from developed air defense, electronic warfare and reconnaissance systems to strikes directly on enemy-based airfields, but also by the fleet and even Land Forces that have missile brigades capable of striking the enemy with cruise and ballistic missiles.

Game plans


If you simulate the possible actions of the parties in the event of a conflict, then, oddly enough, the most critical for Turkey will be the flight range and armament of F-16 fighter jets, which are not characterized by a large amount of fuel. In fact, the only option for Ankara, even if you raise all the tankers, is a massive attack on the Crimea with the aim of causing maximum damage to the Russian units and formations there, destroying the airfield infrastructure, paralyzing the Black Sea Fleet and neutralizing the military authorities. But the success of the airstrike will depend on whether it will be possible in the first minutes to suppress the positions of the Russian C-300, covered by the "armor". The task is rather nontrivial, given that it is necessary to destroy not only the anti-aircraft missile regiments of the 51 th air defense division on the peninsula, but also C-400 in Novorossiysk. Moreover, it is necessary not only to approach a safe range and launch anti-radar missiles, but also to effectively defeat the radar operation of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems with powerful interference. And if there are PR missiles in the Turkish Air Force arsenal, the An-130BK-PPS and Mi-12 MTPR-8 Russian An-1ББ-ППС and Mi-16 MTPR-18 complexes have no electronic warfare complexes. Nor can the Turkish Air Force boast the presence of F-XNUMXCJ and EF-XNUMX Growler fighter-bomber specially modified to break through and destroy enemy air defenses.

At the same time, using cruise missiles of both sea and air-based, as well as ground "Iskander", the Russian Armed Forces can hit stationary and sedentary targets almost throughout Turkey. Of course, the CD is of little use against moving targets, but it will easily destroy warehouses, control points, various infrastructure facilities and other objects that are no less important for Turkey. And the most serious problem for Ankara will be the loss of radar stations, opening up the possibility for Russian aircraft to penetrate unnoticed into the depths of its airspace.

Provide three DRLOI machines with round-the-clock duty, covering the entire territory of the country, alas, will fail. And the threat from the Russian long-range C-300 and C-400 will force the command of the Turkish Air Force to move the "flying radar" as far as possible into the depths of its territory.

Despite the frequent criticism of the Su-34 front-line bombers ("The best aircraft of the failed war"), it is the ability to make a low-altitude supersonic rush to the target under the cover of powerful interference put up by the Khibiny electronic warfare system, which will make these machines super effective for striking the Turkish territory.

In the arsenal of enemy air defenses, there are not enough modern means to intercept the “thirty-fourths” at low altitude, and the combination of high-speed interference will make it difficult to detect the latest front-line bombers by DRLOU planes, as well as their interception of F-16 using medium-to-air missiles range.

It is not excluded that Armenia, without giving permission to use the Erebuni airbase for basing Russian attack aircraft striking the territory of Turkey, will still close its eyes on the transfer of EW helicopters, in particular Mi-8MTPR-1, which will act against Ankara, not flying into enemy airspace.

The first strike of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be inflicted by the Black Sea Fleet (two submarines of the 06363 project and two IRCs of the 21631 project), which is armed with Caliber missile systems. Will support the sailors and long-range aviation, striking cruise missiles launched by strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS.

It is important to note that if necessary, all forces YES can be used to strike. The group of “strategists” from the Engels airbase will strike from the European part of Russia, and vehicles from the Far East (Ukrainka) will launch the Kyrgyz Republic from the region of the Southern Urals or Northern Kazakhstan.

The Russian grouping of EW funds depends on whether the strikes on Turkey are sudden or prepared in advance. In the latter case, in addition to the “Levers” deployed in Armenia, the recently upgraded An-12BK-PPS can cover the Russian HQS.

At the second stage, attacks on objects in Turkey will be carried out by Su-34 front-line bombers under the cover of Su-30CM, М2 and Su-27СМ3 fighters. Despite the fact that in combat the “fighter against the fighter” of the Russian Aerospace Forces, especially without the newest Su-35, are losing somewhat, in the case of massive use of EW tools, the advantage of Turkish F-16 will be leveled. With excellent training of Turkish pilots, losses from our side, alas, are inevitable. However, only two squadrons were trained to conduct air combat in the Turkish Air Force, which will not only have to repel the strikes of Russian front-line bombers, but also fight with the fighters covering them.
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  1. motor gunner88
    motor gunner88 23 March 2016 13: 58
    -1
    a hundred years ago they also talked about the Japanese - yes they are macaques, we quickly give them. And then Tsushima came.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 23 March 2016 14: 03
      +19
      One hundred years ago, we did not have a Pacific Fleet equivalent to the Japanese fleet. A squadron rummaged there halfway around the world, why be surprised that Tsushima was lost? Teach history, loser. And here it’s not half the world, but the Black Sea, shot by our missiles along and across. Half of the aircrafts perdogana in which case stupidly does not have time to take off - the airfields just cover the first.
      1. maxiban
        maxiban 23 March 2016 14: 14
        +34
        They will not climb alone on us. As soon as they agree with the leadership from the USA, then together with Poland, the Baltic states, Ukrainians, Romanians they will climb in all directions.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 23 March 2016 14: 40
          +9
          They will not climb alone on us. As soon as they agree with the leadership from the USA, then together with Poland, the Baltic states, Ukrainians, Romanians they will climb in all directions.


          Do not climb and not alone. It’s the same as drinking three liters of beer and peeing on a transformer. Trying to occupy a country that is capable of starting a global nuclear war is not just foolish, it is the philosophy of a brick falling from the roof, and suddenly I will not split .... They only have to keep limited b / d within their borders and on the territory of Syria. Close the straits. NATO will provide logistical support, information and serve as a kind of guarantor of the Russian invasion of Turkey.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 23 March 2016 14: 49
            +15
            Here I am about the same! The article is another nonsense of our liberals, with dust from supposedly military analysts! Even I understand that the Turkish Air Force will be destroyed in the first place and most likely together with airfields. Well, suppose they take off and what's next ?! Fly to bomb Russia ?! I doubt that at least one will reach the middle of the Black Sea! While they will fly, they will have time to work out missiles at their airfields several times, and where will they land, those that they will not immediately hit ?! What a nonsense of the next couch generals. Why let our VKS against them if the missiles cope much earlier and without losses ?! And after the loss of the Air Force, Turkey is practically unarmed ..., a mute scene! Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not a military expert, but I think I'm not far from the truth!
            1. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 23 March 2016 15: 01
              +19
              Not entirely nonsense ... but I liked your emotional message, so a plus. Our overseas "partners" can use both Turkey and Ukraine as a fire-ship (a vessel filled with explosives). Those. at least some blow may be inflicted, causing damage to Russia (under any pretext), but about the "crew" (the population of Turkey or Ukraine) ... well, the "light elves" don't care about this population, they will write it off as inevitable losses.
              Panic, of course, should not be, but one must be prepared for various kinds of provocations.
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 23 March 2016 15: 23
                +15
                I know what a firewall is, I even know what a brunkscugel is.
                Here something else oppresses, there are a lot of such articles with a general message like "pamagitemyfseumrem" ...! In no case do I call for underestimating the enemy and his capabilities, on the contrary, you need to know the enemy by sight! But there is a constant stuffing of panic articles about the fact that we are not so strong, that we do not have enough resources, etc. That is, there is a preparation of public opinion for a panic! If we allowed such sentiments, we would not have won a single war, because we were never fully ready for any war.

                As Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov said, they don't count enemies, they are beaten! And Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin wrote in order number 227 "alarmists and cowards should be shot on the spot"! My grandfather, as the commander and at the same time the commissar of the battery, would have shot such would-be warriors, and he would have done the right thing, tk. panic, even worse than underestimating the enemy!
                1. Kyustenkats
                  Kyustenkats 23 March 2016 15: 52
                  +1
                  Or maybe this is the Pentagon's principle - "pamagitemifseumrem, give money for a new army."
                2. Aleksandr1959
                  Aleksandr1959 23 March 2016 15: 58
                  +6
                  Here something else oppresses, there are a lot of such articles here with a general message like "pamagitemyfseumrem" ...! In no case do I call for underestimating the enemy and his capabilities, on the contrary, you need to know the enemy by sight! But there is a constant stuffing of panic articles about the fact that we are not so strong, that we do not have enough resources, etc. That is, there is a preparation of public opinion for a panic!

                  A watermark from the psychological trainings of Sergei Zmeev was quoted by the astronaut Aksyonov.
                  There is no fear ... but there is a heightened sense of danger

                  These words, in my opinion, should be perceived by us as a guide to action. By the way, on this occasion, let me not recall the story of the Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation, now retired Colonel Alexander Grigorievich Bondarenko. It was somewhere in 1986 or 1987. MiG 29 with suspensions (in my opinion, two "five hundred") did not come out of a tailspin. Bondarenko, having outlined the line of ejection, tried all the ways to get out of the spin ... and brought the car out in a new way - with engine raznotag, literally a few seconds before reaching the line of ejection. For which he received the Order for Personal Courage. What struck me in Alexander Grigorievich's story was that he acted very calmly in a critical situation.
                  Well, my grandfather, probably like yours, would do what you wrote.
                3. Roman 11
                  Roman 11 23 March 2016 23: 38
                  -4
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  But there is a constant stuffing of panic articles about the fact that we are not so strong, that we do not have enough resources, etc. That is, there is a preparation of public opinion for a panic! If we allowed such sentiments, we would not have won a single war,

                  And well, let’s go ..... Regarding the lost wars, we really aren’t joking - count from Crimean to WWII for 90 years, only local conflicts with Finns and Japs - 3, + Russian-Turkish ... .... but the main ones, large-scale ones with the same jumps and WWI, lost, though because of themselves, but they lost and what damage they did to us! So you need to carefully weigh everything !!
              2. Asadullah
                Asadullah 23 March 2016 16: 25
                +2
                Our overseas "partners" can use both Turkey and Ukraine as a fire-ship (a vessel filled with explosives).


                Turkey is Turkey, Ukraine is Ukraine, and the Cape Verde Islands are somewhere in the sea of ​​penguins. Turkey's "explosion" will not weaken Russia, let alone defeat it, but will lead to a civil war in the east of the country, where the Kurds will be armed no worse than the Turks. The "explosion" of Ukraine will generally lead to a split of the country into several parts, where Romanians, Poles and Hungarians will be interested. That is, with these explosions, you can undermine your own.
            2. motor gunner88
              motor gunner88 23 March 2016 16: 20
              -12%
              Cheto you're angry all the time.
              you obviously yearned for a strong member lol
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 23 March 2016 16: 47
                +15
                Quote: motorized gunner88
                Cheto you're angry all the time.
                you obviously yearned for a strong member lol


                If you do this to me, then I do not advise! And then I can speak out about your member and indicate the direction in which you should go with him!

                Real men do not boast about their ladies in front of the ladies, but conquer their intellect, but apparently, this is not your case!
                1. motor gunner88
                  motor gunner88 23 March 2016 17: 11
                  -10%
                  A strong member is what you are so lacking. Throw your picture in my PM and maybe I can help you.
                  ps I hope you are not a crocodile or fat
                  1. Diana Ilyina
                    Diana Ilyina 23 March 2016 17: 23
                    +9
                    Quote: motorized gunner88
                    A strong member is what you are so lacking. Throw your picture in my PM and maybe I can help you.
                    ps I hope you are not a crocodile or fat


                    All you can count on is your right hand! Good luck, "shooter", don't miss the kid!

                    P.S. Take care of Senya's hand! lol
                    1. motor gunner88
                      motor gunner88 23 March 2016 17: 28
                      -9
                      P.S. Take care of Senya's hand!

                      your photo
                      my hand is prettier
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 23 March 2016 18: 30
                        +10
                        Quote: motorized gunner88
                        P.S. Take care of Senya's hand!

                        your photo
                        my hand is prettier


                        You should check with a psychiatrist! And then, somehow according to Freud you get it. You are trying to shift your inferiority complexes to another. This photo is a self portrait of your soul! I sympathize...!

                        P.S. You made a mistake on the site, here the audience is mostly cultural, and people like you are usually quickly sent to oblivion! We will miss you. Just kidding of course. Farewell to the young man, I wish you to grow up and grow wiser, you look and the sense will come out!
                      2. vadsonen
                        vadsonen 23 March 2016 20: 34
                        +2
                        Stop feeding the troll.
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          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 23 March 2016 20: 35
            +2
            What kind of nonsense, in fact, the author compares ALL of the Russian Air Force with one F-16. This American papellatz is not so versatile.
          3. Roman 11
            Roman 11 23 March 2016 23: 27
            -2
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            What a nonsense of the next couch generals.

            Especially in light of the repeated provocations of Turkish captains! God grant that there is no war ... but after all Erdog deliberately shot down our Su-24! No one will argue with that, and this is despite the fact that another schizophrenic from Georgia got rid of it in full, who also did not see that we have only "a little" more !!
            The Turks went to dill, they could whisper about something in the form of a coalition, and there they are still offended sitting behind the ridge. In the light of these minor provocations, one sees a certain general controlled background. There is no reason to talk about the Baltic states and Poles, but there is no sense in completely eliminating them.

            In general, until the Turkish ship hit the Kerch bridge, Putin thought, for financial reasons, he had withdrawn part of the group from Syria.

            A war may well break out on the Caucasian front - from the Turkish-Georgian side, with the possible adjoining of fraternal Azerbaijan, acting purely against Armenia. So the Crimean direction, dill-Turkish forces, with possible limited participation of the army of fraternal Moldavia in the territory of Transnistria.

            Regarding the "fraternal" republics, I think no one has any illusions after the 5-day war !?

            An article on the topic of the day and in the spirit of the times, the only thing is that the authors did not take into account the dill factor - so the airfields for Turkish aviation may be even closer to our Crimea!

            However, while such a scenario is being drawn prematurely, Erdog has not squeezed out all the dividends in Syria and Iraq. But one should not rely on this either, surprise and preparation are secretly worth a lot - this was never fulfilled by Sakashvili to our happiness !!

            And now about the absurdity of the article - there were already 2 absurdities (08.08.08 and Su-24), so is it possible to exclude the next, more irreparable ??
          4. avia1991
            avia1991 24 March 2016 01: 51
            +1
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Why let our VKS against them if the missiles cope much earlier and without losses ?! And after the loss of the Air Force, Turkey is practically unarmed ..

            Maybe they can handle it, or maybe not.
            If you think realistically, Diana, then you shouldn't count on an easy victory - no matter who the opponent is! First, it is not known how sudden the attack will be, and how soon ours will react. Secondly, some of the missiles will be destroyed in any case: air defense systems, interceptors - assuming that Turkey will act as the aggressor (I think this is obvious), we must understand that they will try to prepare as much as possible to repel a retaliatory strike. This means that it will not work to achieve victory in one-two.
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            there is a preparation of public opinion for a panic!

            I disagree. Panic is a triumph of fear, formed by the demonstration of the unconditional advantages of the enemy, and the inability of their own armed forces to resist. There is nothing of the kind here: the conversation is about those shortcomings that are worth paying attention to in order to improve the quality of our defense. DISADVANTAGES, REALLY THERE ARE. The work to eliminate them is going on, how effectively - time will tell. But to be silent about them, claiming, contrary to Reality: "Yes, we are ... one left!" - this is a fundamentally wrong position!
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            "alarmists and cowards should be shot on the spot"!
            But this is a very slippery slope .. and, you know, I am very interested in HOW your dear grandfather could be both a commander and a commissar at the same time? After all, these positions were SPECIALLY divided so that there were always TWO OPINIONS, so that decisions about the fate of people, assessments of their behavior were not made individually! Waving a sword is easy. And you don't need a big mind. Where would we be if every commander and leader were allowed to "wave" arbitrarily?
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            I would have shot, such a woeful warrior, and I would have done it right, because panic, worse than underestimating the enemy!
            So outraged, for some reason you are not quoting a single article from the article, on the basis of which you accuse the authors of alarmism .. WHERE do you think this is expressed in the article? Except regret expressed in words
            With excellent training of Turkish pilots, losses on our part, alas, are inevitable.
            But this is in the case of war - which, as you know, does not happen without loss. And Syria once again proved it ..
            But then the authors add:
            However, the only two squadrons trained in the Turkish Air Force who will have to not only reflect the attacks of Russian front-line bombers, but also fight with the fighters covering them.
            alluding to the fact that Turkey simply does not have enough strength for a massive and effective attack.
            SO ALL SUCH: WHERE HERE A PANIC? SHOW?
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 24 March 2016 05: 45
              +1
              Quote: avia1991
              how soon our .... will react, you must understand that they will try to prepare as much as possible to repel a retaliatory strike.


              Suddenness prepared attacks - will pose difficult tasks for air defense, yes (although air defense is imprisoned for this). But reciprocal a blow with a clear definition of goals and the necessary means, I think, ready already now- taking into account all their air defense, missile defense, etc. This strike needs only an order (in any case, this is prompted by the logic and one wants to hope for that).
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 24 March 2016 06: 52
                0
                Quote: Aleksander
                (in any case, this is prompted by logic, and one hopes for it).
                That's exactly what I want to hope for.
                No, no, yes, and I recall 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX: how much time then decided? And our guys, peacekeepers, were under fire, hoping for an ambulance ..
                The main thing is to recognize the Beginning in time (God forbid !!!), and not take it for a provocation, to which we need to "not succumb".
          5. alexmach
            alexmach 25 March 2016 10: 48
            +1
            And how many airfields in Turkey, including all kinds of spare and even civilian ones, and how many missiles do we have?

            I would also like to note that in Turkey there are also American bases .. and they are also at the airfields. Are they also missiles?
        2. dyksi
          dyksi 23 March 2016 15: 16
          +3
          The author forgot to write that Russia can simply transfer the MiG-31BM and they will take control of the entire sky of Turkey and the entire Mediterranean. In general, we need to look broader, the combined forces of NATO, but they are not small. Another question is how many of them will really fit in for Turkey in the event of a conflict with Russia, the agreement is an agreement, and watching a warhead fall into your yard is another. Turkey turned almost all its neighbors against itself, as well as the Kurds, they have enough hemorrhoids. although you can expect everything from them.
      2. Alex von Dorn
        Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 46
        +1
        No, that will not be, Turkey will be left alone. Europeans will not die for Turkey. And the States will not contact Russia in general.
      3. Alex von Dorn
        Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 46
        +1
        No, that will not be, Turkey will be left alone. Europeans will not die for Turkey. And the States will not contact Russia in general.
      4. bodzu
        bodzu 23 March 2016 15: 07
        +1
        Correct remark colleague.
      5. Lieutenant Izhe
        Lieutenant Izhe 23 March 2016 17: 30
        +1
        belay I have only one question for the AUTHORS of this OPUS ... wink
    2. Simple
      Simple 23 March 2016 20: 10
      0
      "We haven't had a Pacific Fleet for 100 years."
      I will remind you: Japan recognized gunpowder and steam only at the end of the 19th century.
      In 1870x they ran with swords and Bows.
      B. Meiji revolution ended in 1868, and ports for foreigners opened in 1854.
      Russia has already visited the gendarme of Europe, a fishing rod and a king, they watered horses in Berlin and in Paris ....
      And in 1903?

      About "cover" airfields, well, that's nonsense
      --------
      Although the article is generally complete stupidity
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 24 March 2016 06: 49
      0
      Quote: Flinky
      And here it’s not half the world, but the Black Sea, shot by our missiles along and across. Half of the aircrafts perdogana in which case stupidly does not have time to take off - the airfields just cover the first.


      Turkish planes should not have time to take off at all
    4. Achilles
      Achilles 24 March 2016 08: 21
      0
      The author is clearly not right about the fact that only the SU-16 can cope with the F-35, India twice in a dry battle in the training battle with the SU-30, first in India and then in the USA
  2. Samen
    Samen 23 March 2016 14: 08
    +17
    Just like in reality, I see a reprint of this article in any "respected" Western newspaper ... Moreover, under a completely different title! Like: "The Russians are preparing to attack Turkey." Well, or "Road Map of the Middle East War" ... and after all, the average man will buy! And therefore, the question is: why do we need articles of this kind? And this is not the first scenario on the VO resource.
    Who doesn’t give rest to fantasies? ....
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 March 2016 14: 22
      +4
      From the article.. The only option of Ankara’s action is a massive attack on the Crimea with the aim of inflicting maximum damage to the Russian units and formations located there, destroying the airfield infrastructure, paralyzing the Black Sea Fleet and neutralizing the military command and control bodies.
      And this is already a direct military aggression against Russia. For which the Turks will receive a harsh nuclear response, provided for by our military doctrine. And there will be no fools to fit in for them, including those from NATO allies. So all such speculations about the unattractive strength of the Turkish Air Force is a complete mess. After the attempted strike on the Crimea, Erdogan's falcons will have no place to land the planes raised in the air. Not to land in nuclear craters .. Maybe only the Incirlik a / b will remain - the Americans are based there. Although hardly ..
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 23 March 2016 14: 28
        +1
        Direct military aggression was already when the Su24 was shot down, and if a strike was struck in the Crimea, the leadership of words and tomatoes could not escape, one would have to take real and tough steps.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 23 March 2016 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Direct military aggression was already when su24 was shot down

          You understand the difference between the destruction of our military aircraft, which violated the airspace of another country (even if this violation was very controversial), with a blow toоth territory of our country?
          "Direct military aggression has already taken place."
          1. DIVAN SOLDIER
            DIVAN SOLDIER 23 March 2016 14: 46
            +1
            If he violated the airspace of Turkey, then why was he shot down over Syria and fell on Syrian territory ????
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              1. DIVAN SOLDIER
                DIVAN SOLDIER 23 March 2016 15: 00
                -1
                It is not necessary to start a war, of course, but in retaliation, shoot down a Turkish plane. And that in your opinion they sink the cruiser "Moskva" in the Bosphorus, too, we should be "on x ..."
                1. 79807420129
                  79807420129 23 March 2016 15: 42
                  +8
                  Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
                  It is not necessary to start a war, of course, but in retaliation, shoot down a Turkish plane. And that in your opinion they sink the cruiser "Moskva" in the Bosphorus, too, we should be "on x ..."

                  Vlad, you still separate the wheat from the chaff, if the Turks hit the "Moscow" in the Bosphorus, the Dardanelles or in the Sea of ​​Marmara, this is a direct declaration of war, the territory of the ship is considered the territory of the country to which the ship belongs, which unfortunately cannot be said about a military aircraft that flew or did not fly into Turkish airspace, but colleague Andrei is right, this is not an act of aggression, the same Israelis could have shot us down, our planes flew into the air of Israel, but they are still people who think and understand, unlike Erdogan, that we pose no danger to them , and the Ottoman falcons, mind you, do not fly over Syria anymore, they know that they will land immediately and will not be persuaded, but not on the territory of Turkey.
                2. BSrazvedka
                  BSrazvedka 23 March 2016 21: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
                  The war does not need to start, of course, but in revenge a Turkish plane shot down.

                  The idea may not be bad. True, this requires a very good reason, for example, violation of the airspace of Russia. Only, hardly, they will give it to us.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 24 March 2016 02: 25
                +1
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                The incident is extremely unpleasant, but it cannot be considered an act of direct aggression against the Russian state

                You know perfectly well the alignment that preceded this event. And after that you declare that there is a "controversial issue" ?! Sorry - but you are writing nonsense. This was not an "incident", but a planned and well-executed provocation that led to the emergence of "Belly's case." Which our authorities did not use, I think, only in order to avoid unnecessary, at the moment, losses in our armed forces. But it was exactly DIRECT AGGRESSION against Russia, not to understand this is stupidity. Especially considering that the United States, on behalf of NATO, guaranteed us the prevention of such incidents!
            2. alone
              alone 23 March 2016 15: 07
              +1
              Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
              If he violated the airspace of Turkey, then why was he shot down over Syria and fell on Syrian territory ????

              You think as soon as the plane is shot down, it immediately falls 90 degrees perpendicular to the Earth. A downed plane continues to fly for a certain time. And the fact of a crash into the territory in Syria does not mean anything. The fact was the recorder. But it is damaged (as it may be, by the way, it may be inappropriate ,Who knows)
          2. skrabplus.ru
            skrabplus.ru 23 March 2016 15: 04
            +1
            I agree, remember the shelling of the Russian Federation with dill. it was impossible to punish them for this with the introduction of troops, only with the support of New Russia!
      2. Alex von Dorn
        Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 49
        +2
        I totally agree. Even if it does not come to the use of nuclear weapons, and even if all the aircraft rises into the air (which is simply impossible), then there will be nowhere to land anyway. Airfields will be destroyed first.
      3. Alex von Dorn
        Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 49
        0
        I totally agree. Even if it does not come to the use of nuclear weapons, and even if all the aircraft rises into the air (which is simply impossible), then there will be nowhere to land anyway. Airfields will be destroyed first.
  3. T100
    T100 23 March 2016 14: 37
    +1
    One hundred years ago, the Russian squadron was catastrophically inferior to the Japanese in the range of the main caliber guns - and was shot from afar. Compare with the current ratio ... Chances are at least 50x50 (even if Turkey is supported by NATO AWACS).
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 23 March 2016 15: 29
      +1
      One hundred years ago, the Russian squadron was catastrophically inferior to the Japanese in the range of the main caliber guns - and was shot from afar.


      Dear, you should at least see the performance characteristics of artillery in the RYAV. At the distances at which the main battles were fought in ZhM and at Tsushima, the short-range of the old artillery of the Russian battleships did not affect at all. Even the deceased "Rurik" bought the Yakumo with his old eight-inches, I think, burned out his casemate. And "Nicholas I" knocked Togo "Asama" out of action with his generally ancient 30-gauge twelve-inch guns, albeit for a while. The only critical moment is the death of "Ushakov". But there the question was not in the range, but in the weakness of the trunks, in which, after the battle, the shells dangled like a child's leg in an adult felt boot. And he could not have fought off two BrKR, even if he had normal main battery guns. Just not "dry" would have lost.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 23 March 2016 20: 41
      0
      I want to add, now the situation is the opposite, the most powerful, high-speed and long-range anti-ship missiles in Russia. And no one except the Americans in the war at sea on equal terms with Russia will not be able to fight.
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  5. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 March 2016 15: 13
    +1
    Quote: motorized gunner88
    And then


    Nicholas 2 came and pissed it off. The role of the person in history is huge and undeniable, especially if this person is the head of state.
    But they shamed the Japanese because the ruling elite of those times hoped that they would buy everything they needed for the army in the West (even cartridges) and that they could get their weapons business as good as they could.
    1. Stena
      Stena 23 March 2016 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: lopvlad
      Nicholas 2 came and pissed it off. The role of the person in history is huge and undeniable, especially if this person is the head of state.
      But they shamed the Japanese because the ruling elite of those times hoped that they would buy everything they needed for the army in the West (even cartridges) and that they could get their weapons business as good as they could.

      It has been written many times about your erroneous errors! There was no such thing! If it was, provide reliable sources. Otherwise, it’s just slander!
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 23 March 2016 20: 43
      +2
      Under Nicholas the second, the German did not reach the Volga.
  6. Uncle
    Uncle 23 March 2016 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: motorized gunner88
    And then Tsushima came.

    Not only Tsushima, but also Port Arthur, and the insanely bloody World War I that turned into a Revolution. And a German 3 months later stood near Moscow. These are all lessons of history; one should not forget them.
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 March 2016 14: 00
    +25
    The General Staff has already burst into tears all over - such talents disappear, the whole hypothetical war with Turkey was painted and practically won, handsome men.
    No matter what imbecile Erdogan is, he will never come out against Russia, otherwise his military will devour him. There are definitely suicides a rarity. And there is no one to fight for Turkey’s interests - NATO itself is a fiction without the States, and the Americans do not want to get a nuclear war because of Erdogan’s ambitions, Obama doesn’t need it.
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 23 March 2016 14: 07
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      the entire hypothetical war with Turkey was painted and practically won, handsome men.
      It’s like the Pentagon’s American Staff (remember such an article?) On a table with a map in a soldier’s hypothetical.
      To the topic, smile smile ), Purely hypothetically
      1. Colleague
        Colleague 24 March 2016 09: 26
        0
        And why is Semyon Slepakov a Jew and, as it were, Russian? We got God's chosen
    2. vic58
      vic58 23 March 2016 14: 38
      +1
      "+". No, the General Staff is already running to surrender to Turkey ... or rather, to rest in the province of Antalya (they won't make it a subject of the Russian Federation)laughing
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 23 March 2016 15: 02
        +2
        The General Staff has already burst into tears all over - such talents disappear, the whole hypothetical war with Turkey was painted and practically won, handsome men.
        This article is still nothing.
        http://topwar.ru/91979-putinskie-sokoly-za-asada.html#comment-id-5660576
        Analiteg from networks Alik Kantor laughing (with pictures)
    3. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 23 March 2016 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: inkass_98
      The General Staff has already burst into tears - such talents disappear

      May 21, 2013 "Izvestia" "Russia has created a bottom ballistic missile"
      Article by Alexey Ramm (Alexey Mikhailov) That was a masterpiece! Now he is in the editorial office of the "VPK" newspaper
  • Riv
    Riv 23 March 2016 14: 03
    +5
    I read it and smiled. "Spherical Turkish Air Force in a Vacuum".
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 March 2016 14: 03
    +7
    For whom advantage in a hypothetical conflict over the Black Sea


    The advantage is always for those in whom the strength of spirit is stronger and with whom the truth ... yes

    And to discuss hypothetical military conflicts, as well as to consider the course of history using the subjunctive mood, is simply stupid. Moreover, sitting on the couch ...
    Do you really think that the pants of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation just sit out? In addition to Internet resources, military analysts have real data on the state of armaments, the number and combat training of personnel on both sides of the alleged conflict ...
    soldier
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 23 March 2016 14: 04
    +5
    I think the Turks have no chance AT ALL. In the event of a raid on the Crimea, very fast will remain without airfields and fleet, it remains only to catch their submarines. I hope the frostbitten head of their gruppenführer understands this.
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 52
      +2
      A raid on the Crimea .... Yes, they will get such an answer that there will be no Turkey, and not just airfields and navy.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 23 March 2016 16: 57
        +1
        Quote: Alex von Dorn
        A raid on the Crimea .... Yes, they will get such an answer that there will be no Turkey, and not just airfields and navy.


        This is the only option where they can TRY us to spoil in the military sense. I already wrote about the straits, there is no chance.
    2. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 52
      0
      A raid on the Crimea .... Yes, they will get such an answer that there will be no Turkey, and not just airfields and navy.
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 23 March 2016 14: 04
    0
    I think that no one will outsmart anyone in a dogfight with Turkey. All airbases will be covered by missiles with nuclear weapons, so that the allies of the turkey in NATO will not have time to intervene.
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    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 23 March 2016 15: 36
      +1
      This would be the most bloodless option. Soldier for a soldier to fight - no soldiers will be enough. There are many of them - the whole of NATO, and we are alone :). Tiao - fast, clean, humane, civilized.
      1. 97110
        97110 23 March 2016 17: 05
        0
        Quote: cumastra1
        Tiao - fast, clean, humane, civilized.

        And radiation in small doses contributes to the fossil of the phallic mechanism. For resort places the most.
  • alone
    alone 23 March 2016 14: 06
    +8
    These three persons who wrote this article, as we see, are eager for Russia and Turkey to start fighting with each other. God forbid, of course, if this happens, these three will immediately get their fake notes from their pockets from their pockets.

    P.S.How tired of reading all kinds of screamers, who only know that they are escalating the situation.
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  • Abbra
    Abbra 23 March 2016 14: 08
    +5
    The authors of the article did not write there. They should contact publishers releasing science fiction and tales of virtual stories. And it starts like this: ... Somehow three rotary generals sat at the computers ... Etc.

    Strategists shot you at least once, at least out of trauma?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 23 March 2016 14: 19
      +2
      It was someone who "shot" me as a minus from the authors of the article ...
  • Flinky
    Flinky 23 March 2016 14: 09
    +3
    All these persons are military observers of the military-industrial complex, and their opinion on hypothetical military conflicts for me is somewhere on the level of couch warriors.
    I believe that our General Staff is much more aware that the Turks can, and plans have already been developed and are being adjusted daily according to intelligence.
    We disperse, poson.
  • max73
    max73 23 March 2016 14: 10
    +2
    bullshit .... do authors want war? So, let’s go, they’ll go to Syria and help ... otherwise broadcast from the couch ...)))
  • krops777
    krops777 23 March 2016 14: 13
    +1
    I think that the matter will not come to a conflict. The people of Turkey will soon be Erdogan and his gang and so hang in one place.
    Well, if we assume purely hypothetically, then this is a nuclear war guys.
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 23 March 2016 20: 41
      +2
      The people of Erdogan love how we hate him; he did a lot of good for Turkey. He showed his true face, fulfilled the desire of the Turks in the case of the su-24. Unfortunately, war cannot be avoided, it’s just that the time has not come for them. And yet, if it is possible to supply us with agricultural products from friendly Syria, why are we helping a historical enemy.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 23 March 2016 14: 19
    0
    In general, there is a game on the nerves. Without NATO, the Turks will not get into a fight, but in order to get stuck, it is necessary to force Russia to attack.
  • Achilles
    Achilles 23 March 2016 14: 20
    +1
    The main thing is that there should be electronic warfare systems throughout the Southern Federal District, then the entire Turkish air strike will be in vain.
    Electronic warfare systems: "Mercury", for example, protects for many kilometers from a missile attack and all missiles are destroyed on their own when approaching the target, "Vitebsk" rejects missiles, "Lever", for example, disables all communications and navigation of the enemy for several hundred kilometers, this means missiles will not be able to hit the target, "Rubella 2" which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short, covers the group of troops.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 23 March 2016 14: 34
      +3
      Quote: Achilles
      The main thing is that there should be electronic warfare systems throughout the Southern Federal District, then the entire Turkish air strike will be in vain.
      Electronic warfare systems: "Mercury", for example, protects for many kilometers from a missile attack and all missiles are destroyed on their own when approaching the target, "Vitebsk" rejects missiles, "Lever", for example, disables all communications and navigation of the enemy for several hundred kilometers, this means missiles will not be able to hit the target, "Rubella 2" which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short, covers the group of troops.

      How beautiful it all sounds, like in Hollywood.
      What are we invulnerable))
      It will take years and billions of rubles to massively install such systems on our technology.
      1. alone
        alone 23 March 2016 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: chikenous59
        It will take years and billions of rubles to massively install such systems on our technology.

        billions of dollars, not rubles. Rubles, this amount will be trillions.
      2. Achilles
        Achilles 24 March 2016 08: 28
        0
        Quote: chikenous59
        How beautiful it all sounds, like in Hollywood.
        What are we invulnerable))
        It will take years and billions of rubles to massively install such systems on our technology.


        What are you talking about? What kind of mass? It’s enough to cover the airfields (as the author said it was 3-4 airfields) and military units, and we already have such a number, if you don’t know, I advise you to watch military programs, where it is said that all this has been released for two, three years, you then do not talk nonsense about mass character.
    2. figwam
      figwam 23 March 2016 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: Achilles
      The main thing is that there should be electronic warfare systems throughout the Southern Federal District, then the entire Turkish air strike will be in vain.
      Rubella 2 "which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short covers a group of troops.

      Be careful.
      Rubella does not blind or stun; it is an infectious disease in children.
      1. Achilles
        Achilles 24 March 2016 08: 31
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Be careful.
        Rubella does not blind or stun; it is an infectious disease in children.


        I meant rubella2 and not rubella, an error was left
  • drilled
    drilled 23 March 2016 14: 22
    +1
    Damn, what local war with a member of NATO? And forgot about Inzherlik, where are the Americans sticking around without a hitch? Just when our Su-24 was shot down, the F-15s were sitting there. Probably not by chance
  • Yellow white
    Yellow white 23 March 2016 14: 23
    +4
    How many times have we fought with the Turks?
    Recall how they made peace when our cavalry was 20 km away. from Istanbul ?!
    Or how in the Black Sea our passenger steamships fought on equal terms with the Ottoman cruisers and armadillos?
    The FORCE of the Russian spirit, FORGOTTEN to mention when comparing ... and its squadrons and regiments you will not measure hi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. 97110
      97110 23 March 2016 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: Black and White
      did our passenger ships fight on equal terms with the Ottoman cruisers and armadillos?

      an iron weak ship, armed only with 6-inch mortars and 9-pound guns, but with a strong heroic courage of the commander, officers and crew.
      I haven’t found passenger ships anywhere.
  • Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 23 March 2016 14: 23
    0
    Despite the frequent criticism of the Su-34 front-line bombers ("The best aircraft of the failed war"), it is the ability to make a low-altitude supersonic rush to the target under the cover of powerful interference put up by the Khibiny electronic warfare system, which will make these machines super effective for striking the Turkish territory.

    Probably the author meant Su-24?
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 23 March 2016 14: 30
      +5
      Quote: Igor Pushkino
      Probably the author meant Su-24?

      The Su-24M, let alone the Su-24 (these are still different aircraft), does not carry the Khibiny electronic warfare system. No. The Su-34 is inferior to the "old man" Su-24M in terms of its ability to perform long-term flights on PMV. The "group of authors" has a lot of blunders in the publication. negative
  • Engineer
    Engineer 23 March 2016 14: 24
    -1
    N-yes, how here zealously destroyed Turkey with one gift. You at least read the composition of the Black Sea Fleet! How are you going to fight? The cruiser Moscow da Samum and the four Varshavyanki? Duck Moscow at the airdromes will not work Turkish. Yes, the Turks have 3 times more boats, and these are German boats! It is a pity the authors are complete ignoramuses and dreamers, otherwise he would have counted how many pieces of Caliber they were going to release on the Turkish airfields by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet and whether there would be enough of them to destroy at least one airfield. And let them count how many of our Su-34s and Tu-22s can be shot down by former American URG frigates. And what can a dozen Su-35s do? And why the Su-24 will be useless! And let them count how many soldiers will be able to transfer the BDK Black Sea Fleet? And when it becomes very sad, they will calm down, and will understand that they just got down to re-equipping the Black Sea Fleet and while it is in a joke - the Black Sea Fleet - Chi Fleet, Chi not Fleet.
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 57
      -2
      Wai Wai Wai !! Russia has disappeared, completely gone ... Do not panic, panic!
    2. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 14: 57
      0
      Wai Wai Wai !! Russia has disappeared, completely gone ... Do not panic, panic!
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 23 March 2016 20: 54
      0
      How beautiful you are, NATO gets everywhere, Russia misses everywhere, like in a cheap American action movie. After Moscow is no longer shot by any URO frigates, our aircraft will not be able to shoot down.
      The pride and power of the Turkish fleet are eight outdated frigates such as Oliver Perry.
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 March 2016 14: 25
    +2
    Forgive me people who know or at least understand the Georgian language for distortion, but "this is for rhyme." Turkey's "motel", not Crimea!
  • motor gunner88
    motor gunner88 23 March 2016 14: 26
    +4
    Electronic warfare systems: "Mercury", for example, protects for many kilometers from a missile attack and all missiles are destroyed on their own when approaching the target, "Vitebsk" rejects missiles, "Lever", for example, disables all communications and navigation of the enemy for several hundred kilometers, this means missiles will not be able to hit the target, "Rubella 2" which blinds and stuns the enemy for thousands of square kilometers, in short, covers the group of troops.

    And still there is a sobering-up system. I advise to use lol
  • Michael
    Michael 23 March 2016 14: 30
    +1
    How and what will happen on occasion can only be reliably said at the General Staff and, as recent history (Crimea, Syria) has shown, not in favor of the Turks and even NATO.
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 23 March 2016 14: 32
    +2
    Definitely a hodgepodge from translations of Western and United States sources, well, they added a little on my own. The authors rewrite themselves, the permanent ones are not docking. Explain how Turkey’s aviation can take off if there is nothing about it, and Russia will deliver one of the first attacks on airfields? And in general, our planes are bad, the pilots are not trained, but the fourth army of the Air Force is enough for war. Brad is shorter ...
  • Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 23 March 2016 14: 33
    0
    we have too many Turks, and of course there are a lot of common things both in business and in my life I think he will fill up his own in this case, and although talking about it is both reluctance and a terrible topic, but Russia has yao ... soldier
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 March 2016 14: 37
    +5
    Another bullshit! In the event of a conflict, strikes will be carried out exclusively remotely. A short battle is possible only in the Black Sea. Airplanes will fly only on the scorched Turkish land. All objects that need to be hit are known, neutralizing them, Turkey can be swaddled as a child. And no one on their territory will not go, why are they to us ..
  • Dora2014
    Dora2014 23 March 2016 14: 41
    +5
    "Turkey is among the NATO leaders in terms of the quantity and quality of the Air Force. The basis ... F-16 ..." I already wanted to quit reading this nonsense, but still read to the place where the author compares the Su-27 and Su-30 with F-16 ... further - diagonally. As an aviation specialist, who also has an independent flight, I declare: the authors saw the planes only from afar. On the picture. Proceeding from this, I think the rest of the authors' "reflections" are dubious. Strange guys ...

    PS For non-navigators: the F-16 is a very outdated aircraft. Yes, and "duel situations" - how (!) The Turks will get to them ?! I don’t want to talk about victory. The authors simply don't know what they are writing about.
  • vv3
    vv3 23 March 2016 14: 49
    +5
    The most interesting thing is that considering the absolutely non-real storyline, the author compels us to draw some useful conclusions. And this kind of command-staff exercises probably has a right to exist.
    Why not real - behind Turkey's back the States. This is the limit of their dreams and they probably analyze at what stage and in what form to support such a conflict. Turkey dreams of Ottoman ideas and a banal desire to grab someone else's oil. Therefore, its thoughts are directed to another, Syrian and the Iraqi side. They are trying to put pressure on Russia with someone else's hands, especially in these ranks they have a new-old ally of "Svidomity Square".
    Now about the useful conclusions. We need new planes. We need to train the SU-34 crews for flying at low altitudes. Let the author keep the supersound. And so on ...
    But the most important conclusion is how to prevent this, how to create conditions so that the Turks do not even have such a thought. We do not consider the political component. In the military field, this means exists and we are convinced of this, remember the story of the "clear sky". the author, we see everything in Turkey. It is necessary to fly non-roughly with AWACS, and by organizing the leakage of information, to show. that we see everything. To be honest, I am very interested in what we see or can see with the help of such means in Turkey.
    1. Dora2014
      Dora2014 23 March 2016 14: 55
      +1
      Foreman! what do you write about airplanes ?! Well, I’m not writing about gynecology, although I have seen so many times!
      1. vv3
        vv3 23 March 2016 15: 18
        +2
        Comrade Senior sergeant, it’s incorrect to make comments to the senior rank, even on the forum ... Aviation experience 25 years ... And in the light of your gynecology, another phrase revolves ...
        1. Abbra
          Abbra 23 March 2016 16: 57
          0
          Comrade foreman! I order: do not even bother to swear!
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 March 2016 14: 54
    +2
    Sooner or later, but it will happen inevitably.
    Prophecies about the fall of Turkey and the return of Constantinople. http://forum.astrakhan.ru/index.php?showtopic=139606
    1. nemez
      nemez 23 March 2016 17: 41
      0
      Yes, we have enough and calibrate, from all sides. Fly after that drop the leaflets - or become Russian citizens or complete destruction, I think the Turks will choose the first, what's the difference under whom)))
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 23 March 2016 15: 07
    +1
    I do not understand why many forum users do not allow the escalation of the military conflict with Turkey in this scenario? Sometimes just remembering a story is enough. In the past, too, many did not believe (or perhaps they did not want to) in the war with Germany.
    In the article, the authors at least tried to simulate the local conflict between Russia and Turkey without involving external players and "far-sighted" conclusions about firing ICBMs at the territory of a country that does not have its own nuclear weapons. Moreover, they did it in sufficient detail, in contrast to the opponents - the commentators of this article. The easiest way to say that this is all nonsense without citing a single fact that could change the alignment.

    pisi:
    I’ll add from myself (I’ll not say anything new, a well-known fact) that Turkish industry is geographically located along the coast and is vulnerable even to naval artillery fire, just like most cities are located in the coastal zone of the Black and Mediterranean Seas. In the center of the country, agriculture is predominantly developed. Destroy the infrastructure of the coast and will kirdyk Turkey. In any case, the Turks will become closer to the ground (bend lower) ...
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 23 March 2016 15: 10
    +2
    A bad world is always better than any war ... verified, proven, God forbid, assimilated by all. Do not arrange combat dances with dances, but study in military affairs in this way ... well, and keep the military-industrial complex in good shape. Then you won’t have to guess.
    Something just slogans in my head ... I'll go and eat.
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  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 March 2016 15: 26
    +1
    In 2001, a group of Samara priests and laity visited the Holy Mountain. In the Greek monastery Vatoped, they were received by the 85-year-old monk Joseph (Joseph Jr.), a student of the late Joseph Ishihast, who died in Bose. Predictions of Joseph: “Now the beginning of these events, difficult events, worldwide. The engine of this evil is the Jews. Their devil prompts to begin this, to destroy the seed of Orthodoxy in Greece and in Russia. This is for them the main obstacle to world domination. And they will force the Turks to come here to Greece, to begin their actions. And Greece, although it has a government, actually has no government as such. It has no power, and the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia, too, will move its forces to push back the Turks.
    Events will develop like this: when Russia goes to the aid of Greece, the Americans and NATO will try to prevent this from happening so that there is no reunion, merger of the two Orthodox peoples. Other forces will also excite, such as the Japanese and others. In the territory of the former Byzantine Empire there will be a big massacre. Only the dead will be millions (in some editions of this prophecy the figure is 600 million) people. The Vatican will be strongly involved in all of this in order to prevent the growing role of Orthodoxy and such a reunion. It will be a time of complete destruction of the Vatican influence to its very foundations. Thus will the Providence of God turn.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 23 March 2016 15: 36
      -1
      Something sad as it turns out about 600 million.

      pisi:
      Although there is a rule of the "golden" billion (America + Europe) which they are trying to achieve with all their might.
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  • iliya87
    iliya87 23 March 2016 16: 04
    +2
    The article does not carry any information. It feels like the son woke up and told a dream.
  • cap
    cap 23 March 2016 16: 12
    0
    It is interesting to read, for the military there is simply a storehouse of wisdom and the opening of new horizons of strategy. Here I snuggled up with the hope of raising the level of knowledge to a new height.
    American analytical agencies believe that the likelihood of a Russian-Turkish armed conflict is quite high or even inevitable.
    Of course, we can agree.
    We’ll try to figure out (here we’ll try) how a conflict in the air over the Black Sea can develop, what are the sides' advantages and weaknesses. (Why only the air? Who set the condition to work only with the Air Force when it comes to military confrontation?)
    The analysis begins with a listing of the forces and means of aviation of the probable enemy, which is absolutely true, but this must be done at the stage of calculating the balance of forces and means for performing a combat mission. The main question is what goal does the likely adversary (Turkey) set for himself, and what means is going to achieve next. I did not see this in the article. Although this should begin.
    New Janissaries
    Turkey is one of the NATO leaders in both the number and quality of the Air Force.
    In anticipation of the delivery of the ordered F-35s, Turkey pays great attention to extending the life of its F-16s.
    More than 30 F-80C / D Block 16 produced at the end of the 30s are stored, which are also planned to be modernized.
    The strengths of the Turkish Air Force are usually attributed to the quality training of pilots, the average annual flight time of which is 180 hours.
    Being only part of the NATO mechanism, Turkey cannot boast of universality. (What will they still fly to?)
    In the event of a large-scale air war, Ankara must rely on the support of other members of the bloc, primarily the United States. With an independent air campaign, it will face a shortage of competencies.
    The country's Air Force intelligence capabilities are extremely weak: only one proprietary optical reconnaissance satellite with a resolution of 0,8 meters and one squadron of RF-4E reconnaissance aircraft. (not the fact that they will remain intact)
    Turkish air defense is completely insufficient to protect even airfields.
    This makes airbases practically defenseless for attacks by cruise and ballistic missiles. (Practically they are already gone, put a cross after the outbreak of hostilities)
    Who are we on the lines?
    Further, detailed data on our aviation are given on the composition of forces and means, which indicates a detailed preparation of the analysis most likely from open sources.
    I will not dwell on this section, I will leave them to the conscience of the authors.
    Game plans
    In fact, the only option of Ankara’s action, even if all tanker planes were lifted, was a massive blow to the Crimea with the aim of inflicting maximum damage to the Russian units and formations there, destroying the airfield infrastructure, paralyzing the Black Sea Fleet and neutralizing military command and control bodies.
    Moreover, it is necessary not only to approach a safe range and launch anti-radar missiles, but also to interfere with the operation of the radar of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems with powerful obstacles for effective destruction.
    At the same time, using cruise missiles of both sea and air based, as well as ground Iskanders, Russian aircraft can hit stationary and inactive targets practically throughout Turkey.
    (Appreciated, thanks already! Turks on occasion will suddenly forget.)
  • cap
    cap 23 March 2016 16: 13
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    Despite the frequent criticism of the Su-34 front-line bombers (“The best aircraft of the failed war”), it is precisely the ability to make a low-altitude supersonic throw to the target under the cover of powerful interference from the Khibiny electronic warfare system that will make these machines an ultra-efficient means of striking Turkish territory. ( undoubted conclusion)
    It is possible that Armenia, without giving permission to use the Erebuni airbase for basing Russian attack aircraft attacking the territory of Turkey, will still turn a blind eye to the deployment of EW helicopters, in particular the Mi-8MTPR-1, which will operate against Ankara, flown into the airspace of the enemy. (that is, Armenni we will first ask whether it is possible to oppose Turkey. I don’t know if the Armenians are laughing. I’m funny.)

    Further, the authors take the reins of government into their own hands and begin to think for the Russian General Staff. (Very on time). Separating strategic attacks in two stages.
    It is important to note that if necessary, all forces YES can be used to strike. The group of “strategists” from the Engels airbase will strike from the European part of Russia, and vehicles from the Far East (Ukrainka) will launch the Kyrgyz Republic from the region of the Southern Urals or Northern Kazakhstan.
    The Russian grouping of EW funds depends on whether attacks on Turkey are sudden or prepared in advance.
    This is a masterpiece of the strategy "suddenly" or "in advance." Just a kindergarten.
    Question to the authors:. Are we still fighting or not? What does electronic warfare do when enemy armades are moving with might and main? Probably waiting for the order?
    At the second stage, attacks on targets in Turkey will be carried out by Su-34 front-line bombers under the guise of Su-30SM, M2 and Su-27SM3 fighters.
    Despite the fact that in the battle “fighter against fighter” of the Russian Air Force, especially without the latest Su-35s, they lose a little, in the case of a massive use of electronic warfare, the advantage of the Turkish F-16s will be leveled. (and there is something left of these objects, maybe aviation was misunderstood into the air?)
    With excellent training of Turkish pilots (who gave them the estimates? Turkish Air Force Commander-in-Chief?), Losses on our part, alas, are inevitable (thanks for the sympathy). However, only two squadrons were trained in the Turkish Air Force (really?), Who will have to not only repel the attacks of Russian front-line bombers, but also fight with fighters covering them. (Congenially, as Ostap said)
    Well, the rhetorical question to the authors: Alexei Ramm, Anton Lavrov, Dmitry Boltenkov. Who will win? Unanswered.
    And it would be possible to put it on the map, put the cut-out figures on the map and play war games, and then tell who won the candies on the line.
    The "strategic game" which was conducted by authors from the series of PPR who served knows what it is about.
    Thank you for attention.
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 23 March 2016 20: 59
      0
      You definitely noticed about the Armenians. In general, it was necessary to arm Armenia, like the USA Israel. And you could relax.
  • nemez
    nemez 23 March 2016 17: 38
    +3
    the authors of the article do not know history well; the Janissaries were not Turks, but reprobated (duped) representatives of other, mainly Slavic peoples.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 March 2016 18: 22
    +2
    Rephrase Gogol:
    -Miraculously Black Sea in calm weather
    Rare F-16 will reach its middle!
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 March 2016 18: 43
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    "Let's try to figure out how the
    conflict in the air over the Black Sea, which sides
    advantages and weaknesses "////

    100% combat draw. On the side of Turkey is geography,
    on the side of Russia - the quantity.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 23 March 2016 21: 02
      +1
      It’s a draw if you butt with all of NATO. NATO has a quantitative superiority, Russia has a qualitative superiority.
  • Svetovod
    Svetovod 23 March 2016 18: 57
    +2
    Crimea moved to Russia in time. And it's time to make Sevastopol a "closed city" again, otherwise it’s a madhouse in half with a bazaar.
    Although there will always be dissatisfied.
  • individual
    individual 23 March 2016 19: 26
    +1
    Here, analysts have laid out their vision of the forecast of confrontation with Turkey, and this is primarily diplomacy!
    Live and remember!
  • morprepud
    morprepud 23 March 2016 20: 36
    +3
    YEAH! read, and think! (with the grandmother), "why hell (!) are we discussing the advantages of the aircraft" Sushka "and" Fushki "? Is it really not clear that the SHO send their sons to" air duels "means losing them! I am certainly not a strategist, but why damn it h.ren (!) have already tested and tested "rocket and space forces"?
    You, young people, are grinding all tactics and strategists ... And I’m able (with a grandmother) with grandchildren (!) problem ...
    Sorry, old !!! request
  • Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 23 March 2016 22: 55
    +1
    The distance from Astrakhan to Ankara is 1422 km, so that Turkey will be in the zone of impact of the Kalibr missiles not only of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, but also of the Caspian Flotilla of the Russian Navy, and the Russian nuclear submarine armed with cruise missiles may be in the Mediterranean Sea. a devastating missile strike against Turkey, the only question is whether Putin is able to issue such an order. Judging by how impudent Turkey is, Ankara believes that Putin is incapable of ordering a massive missile strike on Turkey. Wait and see.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 March 2016 07: 03
    0
    Strongly men break spears, but why it is not clear. It’s clear even to a first-grader without any strategic tricks - the one who has better aviation, who has better air defense, and who has better means of suppressing the above forces on earth will win. All other things being equal. That is the point.