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Last week, during the visit of Petro Poroshenko to Turkey, Prime Minister Ahmed Dovutoglu called Ukraine a “strategic ally”. Ankara has promised support for Kiev in the return of the Crimea under Ukrainian jurisdiction. Earlier, the notorious Mustafa Dzhemilev told the Ukrainian media that he had given the letter from the Turkish Defense Ministry to the Minister of Defense that they were ready to consider the supply of the necessary equipment without specifying which one. There is no doubt that Petro Poroshenko agreed with the Turks on military cooperation.

In the 17th century, something similar was already happening. The namesake of the current Kiev ruler Hetman Little Russia Peter Doroshenko then started a military alliance with the Turks. First, he achieved the election of the right-bank Ukraine to be the hetman, this happened in 1665, which was approved by the Cossack Rada in 1666. Then the new ruler began to subordinate to himself the left bank, Kiev and the lands of Seversk, which by that time were in Moscow citizenship. There he managed to raise an uprising against Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich and subjugate the entire Hetman Little Russia in the summer of 1668. Then Doroshenko turned to the Turkish Sultan Magomed IV for help, in fact, handed the shaky sovereignty of the hetman in the hands of the Ottoman ruler, without the consent of the Cossack Rada. Sultan from 1671 to 1676 year undertook several campaigns to the north and for some time supported his new subject with fire and sword.

The Turks helped Doroshenko not only to fight with Moscow and the Poles, but also to suppress unrest among their Cossacks. During the reign of Peter Doroshenko, the hetman Little Russia fell into complete decay and became popularly known as the Ruin. The right bank, the Left bank, Kiev and its districts were empty, the inhabitants from these places fled east to the borders of the Great Russian state, to areas at that time sparsely populated, which are now within the borders of Kharkiv and Voronezh regions.

CONTINUED STORIES


More recently, Turkey has quite seriously considered the possibility of starting a war against Russia. This is evidenced by the repeated sharp remarks on this subject by President Recep Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Dovutoglu. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavusoglu was more specific in his judgments, he bluntly stated: "If necessary, I assure you, we can occupy Russia with NATO and our regional allies in less than seven days." In a tone to him as recently as last week, Ahmed Dovutoglu also made a tough statement: “I again warn Russia, which has recently given air support to advancing the Kurdish self-defense forces in Azazaz and subjecting innocent people to intensive bombing, using a terrorist organization against civilians and Turkey . Let those who intend to use the pawns of terror against Turkey know: this, like a boomerang, will turn against you. ” These words were not spoken anywhere, but during the speech of the Prime Minister in front of almost the entire composition of the Turkish General Staff.

It is no accident that Ukraine was among the so-called regional allies. At a recent meeting between President Erdogan and his colleague from the Kiev spill, Petro Poroshenko, the high parties agreed on comprehensive cooperation. During this meeting, the Turkish leader assured that "Turkey will always support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea." Ankara promised Kiev a small loan of $ 50 million, of course, for humanitarian needs - but what else. Meanwhile, the flagship of Ukrainian fleet the Getman Sagaidachny patrol ship (project 11351) went to the shores of Turkey to deliver "humanitarian aid" to their homeland, which this time became military uniform with a total value of about 800 thousand dollars

Ukrainian political analyst Volodymyr Skachko assures that Erdogan and Poroshenko are trying to convince the whole world that there is some anti-Russian coalition that not only speaks from political positions, but is also ready to fight Russia and "Russian imperialism."

Of the entire pleiad of “regional allies” in the spirit of the militant, Ukraine was not the closest to the Turkish leadership. The statement of Verkhovna Rada deputy Sergei Pashinsky, who heads the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, of Kiev’s readiness to impose martial law in the southeast and declare war on Russia cannot be interpreted in two ways. Moreover, the deputy assures that this decision has already been made, but was postponed solely for economic reasons. They say the snag is that the IMF can not give money.

The deputies of the Rada went further, a proposal was made to break the diplomatic relations with the eastern neighbor in the Rada, so far they have only registered, but the first step is trouble! Turchinov still 28 February 2014 of the year demanded to declare war on Russia. Yatsenyuk throughout his activities has repeatedly stated that Kiev is at war with Moscow, and he did it so often that even the most loyal friends stopped paying attention to him. Perhaps the leadership of the Square had an idea to carry out the next step. And how can he not be done if an experienced fighter, Russophobe Saakashvili, assures his listeners that the Ukrainian army can easily occupy Russia by providing the American weaponthat the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers, more than ever, is high and they are taught by the same Pentagon military specialists, who trained the Georgian soldiers in their time, and this is a guarantee of an inevitable victory in a possible forthcoming war between Ukraine and Russia. Yes, there is still fuel to the fire poured by the senior officer of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Colonel Fedichev, assuring the public that the troops of Nezalezhnaya are able to defeat the Russians if the latter approach, which, according to Fedichev, will be strictly waged from the border in a western direction along the coast Azov and Black Seas.

TURKEY DIDN'T DECIDE ON OPEN WAR WITH RUSSIA


The initial military fervor of Ankara, which reached its peak in the first months after the death of the Russian front-line bomber in Syria, cooled somewhat after it became clear that NATO was not going to unconditionally support Turkey. The discrepancy occurred in relations with regional allies, all but one. The nearest of them, Azerbaijan, was very restrained in accepting the desire of Turkey to restore the former glory of the Ottomans in confrontation with Moscow with arms in hand. The wise Ilham Aliyev prefers not to get involved in any kind of coalition wars, he lacks Nagorno-Karabakh in excess. In the end, though, Shiite Azerbaijan is a brother of Turkey, but not very native, by the way, the Turks make it clear to Azerbaijanis quite often at the household level. Permanent enemy of Russia Sakartvelo (the self-name of Georgia) is not averse to taking revenge for the 2008 year, but not by using its own resources, Tbilisi is ready to cede this right to anyone and, of course, morally. Of all the regional allies, only his Ukrainian counterpart reacted with understanding to the needs of President Erdogan.

Let's see what Turkey itself has. From the shock forces can be distinguished missiles J-600T operational-tactical class. Ankara has three versions of this type of weapons with a range of actions: Yildirim 1 - up to 150 km, Yildirim 2 - up to 300 km and Yildirim 3 - up to 1000 km. The Yildirim 4 rocket is under development and is capable of traveling about 2500 km. The combat part of these missiles weighs about half a ton, the self-propelled launcher is made on the basis of the MAN 26 372 all-terrain vehicle. There is one more self-propelled tactical missile system (OTRK) - the MGM 140 "ATACMS", the combat part of the missiles of this complex has several modifications. Version M39 - cassette, equipped with 950 submunitions M74 (radius of impact 15 m) with a range of up to 165 km. Modification MGM 140В with a flight range of up to 300 km with a lightweight warhead. Everything else flies no further 100 km. In any case, there is a job for Russian missile defense forces.

Turkish aviation it does not have bombers, from the entire fleet of attack aircraft it is possible to distinguish light F16C (180 units) and F16D (56 units) fighters, if additional tanks for fuel are hung on them, their maximum flight range will be 2450 miles, while the combat load will be insignificant. All other fighters are outright junk. Turkish aviation will be able to operate effectively only near its bases. Russia has significantly more powerful air forces, which include light and heavy fighters, as well as long-range bombers and missile carriers, and are able to create a strong enough aviation group to achieve complete domination in the sky in a short time. In addition, Russia has the latest air defense systems.

The entire territory of Turkey is achievable for strikes by Russian mid-range Caliber missiles, sea-based, and ХХNUMX, air-based, whose combat qualities have been successfully demonstrated not so long ago. Russian long-range aviation can make combat missions from bases in the Crimea (up to the Black Sea coast of Turkey in a straight line just 101 km), in Mozdok and Engels.

The rather strong Turkish fleet, including 16 frigates, 8 corvettes, 13 diesel submarines and many other ships, is concentrated in a small area in the southern Black Sea, eastern Aegean, on a small patch of the Marmara Sea . At first glance, this gives an advantage in actions against the Russian fleet, which will have to gather forces for a war on water from remote areas (the Northern Fleet - the Arctic, the Pacific Fleet - the Far East, etc.), but in fact tighten the naval forces of Russia unlikely to be necessary. The concentrated deployment of the Turkish Navy is their weakness, the war on the sea will be solved by strikes of Russian ballistic and cruise missiles on surface and underwater targets, so that the fleets will not have to fight in the old fashioned way. A new Sinop or Chesme battle will not require a rapprochement of ships to the distance of direct artillery fire. The ships accidentally breaking through to our shores (this can be assumed, so, purely hypothetically) will be destroyed by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet, first of all, by the coastal missile systems "Bastion".

The invasion of Turkish territory by Russian ground forces is unlikely to be necessary, but let's see what Turkey has here. Structurally, the Ottoman land forces consist of four field armies, which include 10 army corps, four motorized infantry divisions (of which two are incomplete), one infantry division, and an army aviation group. Housings are formed from tank, mechanized, artillery brigades, battalion composition. There are separate commando and mountain rifle brigades, artillery and engineer regiments, regional defense brigades. The number of ground forces is about 200 thousand bayonets (the total number of the armed forces is estimated, according to various sources, from 600 to 760 thousand bayonets, with an active reserve of about 430 thousand people and an operational mobile reserve of about 2,5 million people). The ground forces are armed with 354 Leopard 2 tanks; 932 M60 Patton tanks and about 1150 obsolete tanks. Frankly, not a lot. There are more than 5,6 thousand combat armored vehicles from various suppliers, and slightly more than 2 thousand light armored vehicles. The artillery park consists of 1013 self-propelled guns with a caliber of 203 mm, 175 mm, 155 mm, 105 mm; about 700 towed guns (including mortars); there are also over 800 multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). Army aviation is armed with over 200 transport and 64 combat helicopters. You see for yourself, with such strengths, the Turkish armed forces alone cannot fight Russia. Besides, Ankara has enemies besides Moscow.

The main enemy of Turkey is the partisan formations of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) and the armed structures of Syrian Kurdistan interacting with them. The forces of the latter are now distracted by the fight against the Islamic State (IG) terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation and the radical armed groups in Syria like it. But the PKK detachments are fully concerned with the struggle with the Turkish government. Recently, I was able to talk with a representative of the PKK. He gave a very unflattering assessment of the Turkish army’s combat capability and stated that 20, thousands of Kurdish militia fighters (and this is a battle-hardened, active, highly motivated armed contingent) is able to arrange a bloodbath for the Turks if Ankara decides to go to war with Russia. In addition, the PKK planned to launch active hostilities throughout Turkey in 2016, so Erdogan will have no time for Russia. The representative of the PKK said: “We will descend from the mountains to Turkish cities”.

In addition, one must take into account Ankara’s complex relations with its neighbors. No wonder the Turkish Armed Forces deployed their most powerful First Field Army against Greece, their NATO ally. A solid military contingent is in Cyprus. The Turks occupied the northern part of the island in the summer of 1974, and are not going to leave from there. And if you consider that Cyprus is a member of the European Union, which Turkey is so eagerly seeking, the situation with this blatant occupation looks very delicate. Now on the occupied part of the island there are 11 army corps (about 40 thousand bayonets, 450 tanks, 627 BBM, about 200 artillery units, there are helicopters and combat boats), which include two motorized infantry divisions (28-I and 39- i), 14 Tank Brigade, 49 Special Regiment, 41 Regiment Commandos, 109 Artillery Regiment, Marine Corps Battalion, Engineering Battalion and Logistics Subunits. A few words should be said about how Ankara relates to the decisions of the European International Court of Human Rights (ECHR). At the ECHR ruling on the recovery in favor of the Republic of Cyprus 90 million euros from Turkey for violating the convention on human rights in northern Cyprus Ahmet Davutoglu replied: "We will not pay this amount to a country that we do not recognize." Ankara aimed the third field army (which is slightly smaller than the first in strength) against the eastern neighbors of Armenia and Iran.

Apparently, the war with Russia could be a catastrophe for Turkey, comparable to the one to which her participation in the First World War led her. At this disappointing background for Recep Erdogan, and he had an alliance of regional significance with Petro Poroshenko. I hope you don’t have to answer the question whether this alliance received approval from overseas. Outwardly, it looks like Ankara (which because of a number of wrong political decisions of its leadership turned out to be in some isolation) and Kiev (which already fed Europe, and the United States somewhat cooled to it) agreed on some indefinite cooperation. The real alliance of Ukraine and Turkey, which has a veiled military character, is directed against Russia.

KIEV AND ANKARA


These piles of scrap metal were once Ukrainian military equipment. Reuters Photos

I have no doubt that Petro Poroshenko enlisted the support of Recep Erdogan, in case Ukraine declares war on Russia. The calculation is simple: to initiate a quarrel and declare to the whole world that “aggressive Russia” has finally shown its true face and began an open invasion of the territory of an independent “peace-loving Ukraine”. When the fight begins, the West will not understand who started it and why, for him the enemy has long been defined. In this action, the possible goal of Kiev, which has already ceased to receive sufficient assistance from the European Union and the United States, is to revive and, if possible, increase interest in itself, and at the same time attract NATO as a bully with a club that stands behind a juvenile Kiev bully. The pretext for the war, in fact, has already been voiced - Petro Poroshenko was not for nothing persistently speaking to his Turkish counterpart about the return of the Crimea. It remains for the small: to decide on an extremely desperate step - a declaration of war, which can only happen under the pressure of extraordinary circumstances.

Turkey is interested in squeezing Russia out of Syria and is ready to do it by any means. Partial withdrawal of the Russian military contingent may be considered by Ankara as the first success, stimulating further actions. If Ukraine declares war on Russia, the latter will have to decide whether to fight on two theaters, which will be a serious burden for the country's budget, or curtail its actions in Syria and fully switch to the defense of their frontiers. Such a course of events will allow Turkey to draw NATO into its confrontation with Moscow, to close the Bosphorus for Russia, to act more decisively on Syrian territory.

Ankara is able to supply arms and ammunition to Ukraine (just as it supplies the Syrian Islamist groups), especially since it has the need to attach its old tanks and other military equipment somewhere. Ankara can send to the Square and the military contingent, however, this will not help the Ukrainian Armed Forces, whose weakness is obvious and irreparable.

On the possible supply paths should be said separately. To transport military cargo by sea and troops will be problematic. The Black Sea Fleet can prevent such attempts even without the use of surface, submarine warships and aircraft. The coastal anti-ship missile system "Bastion", located in the Crimea, reliably covers almost the entire water area of ​​the Black Sea. This means that the supply will be carried out by land on the territory of Bulgaria and Romania.

Ukraine is ready to fight with Russia, but how


Kiev’s intentions to initiate the military background of its relations with Moscow have been heard more than once from various Ukrainian politicians more than once. On top of that, the representative of the Square in the political subgroup of the tripartite contact group at the negotiations in Minsk, Roman Immortal, in a recent interview stated that Ukraine must recognize the existence of the Russian-Ukrainian war in order to receive support from the international community. Petro Poroshenko and his entourage persistently convince the West that the Ukrainian army is strong and ready to fight. Kiev triumphantly reports that over the past few months, Ukrainian defense enterprises have managed to restore 9 combat aircraft, 9 helicopters, 316 tanks, 251 BTR and BMP units, 220 artillery pieces of various calibers, etc. But even Western journalists point out that the news of the fabulous fighting capacity of the Ukrainian troops is simply fiction. According to European media, the supply of armored vehicles by the Ukrainian defense industry has been disrupted. Armored cars obtained from Great Britain and the United States turned out to be of insufficient quality and, moreover, partially “dissolved in the air.” The only thing that really has the Ukrainian army (APU), so it is infantry, armed with small arms, as the Soviet models, and the newly produced licensed, large-caliber sniper rifles of western production, anti-tank melee weapons, large-caliber machine guns and automatic grenade launchers.

The number of troops Square fluctuates around 300 thousand bayonets. Available there are self-propelled, towed (including mortars) artillery and MLRS, of satisfactory quality, as well as fairly battered, but working armored vehicles. And, like a cherry on top of a cake, there are outdated tactical and operational-tactical missile systems in the arsenal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Ukrainian aviation and the fleet, as they were in a non-operational state, remained so in it.

A legitimate question arises: what can Kiev expect if he wants to declare war on Moscow? Indeed, such a move, at first glance, is simply incredible, there is nothing to fight. Nobody doubts that Russian troops will immediately secure their supremacy in the sky. The presence of the latest ballistic and cruise missiles, powerful artillery and armored vehicles will provide an opportunity for our Ground Forces to advance quickly and with minimal losses. And the Russian army has already proven its ability to conduct a dynamic, maneuverable war.

POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF EVENTS


Suppose the war between Russia and Ukraine has begun. The most likely scenario for events looks like a disaster for Square. In the case of decisive actions of the Russian troops, according to the most pessimistic forecast, on the seventh day of hostilities, the wreckage of the last aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force will burn down, by that time the whole, until the last boat, will be sunk, and the main military targets and groupings of troops destroyed by bombing attacks , the fields will smoke piles of twisted metal, which before the start of the war was military equipment and heavy armament. Small scattered groups of "Svidomo" fighters will seek salvation in a retreat to the west. Here is the moment to use the secret weapons of Kiev. Do you remember about the plan of the senior officer of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Colonel Fedichev, which says that the Russian army will be defeated upon reaching the banks of the Dnieper?

Once again I will return to the plan of Colonel Fedichev. He relies on high fighting spirit, the combat capability of his troops and the availability of modern weapons, it is clear that all of the above is not mentioned. The APU will not even be able to render weak resistance to Russian troops, especially after an avalanche from Iskander, Calibrov, other missiles and artillery ammunition clouds falls from the sky. In addition, in Zaporozhye, in the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions, the Russian militia will be supported by local militia, the backbone of which already exists and operates in an illegal situation. For Kiev, the population of these areas will become the same "separatists" worthy of destruction, as the inhabitants of the Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions. You remember how in 2014, Yulia Tymoshenko offered to destroy the Crimeans and the Pitmen, I quote her words: "They must be shot with atomic weapons." How much cynicism in this phrase! What a mocking denial of the value of human life! At that time, no one took Tymoshenko’s words very seriously, but in vain. The Ukrainian atomic weapon is the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) and three other operating nuclear power plants. Most likely, the plan for the defeat of the Russian troops of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is designed precisely for this factor, since there are no others. According to the forecasts of the Kiev military theorists, the ZNPP is exactly on the way of the Russian troops, and it has as many as six power units. The explosion of only one reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant caused the strongest radioactive contamination of a large area. The effect will be stronger if two such blocks or more blow up at once. Russian troops and “separatists” will be exposed to strong radioactive effects, maybe this will not stop their offensive, but it cannot do without large losses. And polluted territories will then be immeasurably long unsuitable for human life. Hot heads, capable of taking such a step, will be found among the warriors in Square.

In the future, Kiev will accuse the Russian military of undermining the power units, and the West will surely believe it.

By the way, you should carefully listen to the statements of Ukrainian politicians. And to act according to the principle “it is better to overdo it with preventive measures, but to prevent even the intended catastrophe than to allow it”. I remind you that the armed forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have tactical missile systems (TRC) “Point U” with a range of up to 120 km; Scud, whose firing range reaches 600 km; "Elbrus", which sends a deadly cargo at a distance of 200 km. Of course, modern Russian missile defense systems are able to effectively resist these fuel dispensers, but the point is that it is necessary to take into account the possibility of Ukraine using these weapons. For example, the Kursk NPP is just 61,23 km from the border with the Sumy region. This distance rocket TRK "Point U" overcomes quickly - a little longer than one minute. And within 210 km of distance from the Ukrainian border there are three more Russian nuclear power plants: Novovoronezh, Rostov and Smolensk.

In the summer of 2014, many Ukrainian functionaries (including President Poroshenko) spoke of the need to train subversive groups, since the APU did not have to wage war on the battlefield against the Donbas militia. Recently, this idea was further developed; the leader of the Ukrainian nationalists, Yarosh, announced that he was starting to prepare saboteurs for action in Russia. The objects of their attacks may be nuclear power plants, so additional measures for their defense should be bothered in advance.

CALCULATION FOR THE REACTION OF THE EUROPEAN UNION


It is possible that the war will only be formally declared. This is the most preferred scenario for Kiev. Testing for itself the diplomatic, political, economic pressure of the West, Moscow does not dare to conduct hostilities realistically. All limited to small clashes on the line of opposition. Others will remain in the form of a status quo: both gas transit and some minimal contacts. But at the same time, Ukraine will regain the former heightened interest and can count on increasing aid from the West, since it will already need it to wage an officially declared war. Ankara will also be an active participant in the process and will be able to count on the West to forgive its past pranks. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are intensifying actions aimed at finally squeezing Russia out of Syria. NATO will continue to increase its forces in the Baltic countries and in Norway.

The sluggish course of the armed confrontation with Russia will allow Kiev to keep its western partners in constant high tension under the pretext that at any moment war can enter an active phase. For example, if we assume that military actions will cover the entire territory of the Square, there is a danger of accidents at all four Ukrainian nuclear power plants, and these are 15 units. And if all of them are destroyed, then a huge region will be exposed to radioactive contamination, including the countries of Eastern Europe. Can you imagine what will happen to the nervous system of European politicians when they hear about the possibility of implementing such an apocalyptic scenario?

In such an environment, Kiev can expect to receive any preferences.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 19 March 2016 12: 55
    +13
    Ukrainians and Turks are ready to commit suicide and start the third world? Tin! Apparently, Erdogan and Poroshenko spring aggravation began.
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 19 March 2016 13: 02
      +22
      Yes, what a war, just the boys decided to have a good look, in front of each other, how cool they are. But no matter how you draw, anyway, washing Zhirinovsky’s boots is cooler.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 19 March 2016 13: 04
        +20
        And look what a striking historical similarity: Petro Doroshenko - Petro Poroshenko
        During the reign of Petro Doroshenko, the Hetman Little Russia fell into complete decline and became popularly called the Ruin.
        Petro Doroshenko then started a military alliance with the Turks.
        Directly "Historical Mirror", the difference is in the capital letter of the "ruler" surname!
        1. sever.56
          sever.56 19 March 2016 13: 19
          +33
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/406/quuy858.png

          Erdogan if you didn’t know
          or forgot, this historical fact ... !!! lol
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 19 March 2016 13: 47
            +5
            Erdogan is ill with oncology and sits on chemotherapy, how much God alone knows for him, but they say the health situation is getting worse, as a result more painkillers (drugs) are needed and no one knows what he might see in his inflamed brain. A person in this state has long been inadequate.
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 March 2016 15: 39
              +7
              Quote: Blondy
              Yes, what a war, just the boys decided to have a good look, in front of each other, how cool they are. But no matter how you draw, anyway, washing Zhirinovsky’s boots is cooler.


              No, these are not boys - it is precisely from - such wars begin, we walk along the blade of a knife.
              1. Dezinto
                Dezinto 19 March 2016 18: 24
                +5
                it is precisely from - such wars that begin


                Alas yes sad

                Two d.beats is power.
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          2. gg.na
            gg.na 19 March 2016 14: 47
            +4
            Quote: sever.56
            forgot this historical fact ... !!!

            Sweep his ruff! He didn’t teach history at school now and he’s talking nonsense! Imperfection moral erdAgun red (red) pop-s! And there were found two similar second pArashenka and set on fire each other lol and antlers and fingers bend, lol how cool and bold they are.
            1. vezunchik
              vezunchik 19 March 2016 18: 03
              0
              so he studied according to Sorovsky's textbook
          3. vezunchik
            vezunchik 19 March 2016 18: 02
            0
            No matter what, there will be another autonomous republic in the Russian Federation
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 19 March 2016 13: 38
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          Directly "Historical Mirror", the difference is in the capital letter of the "ruler" surname!
          And if you combine the names of these two "outstanding historical figures", you get PDoroshenko. And then insert between the first letters of the surnames ("p" and "d") the union "and", then in general it turns out indecency. But which, on the other hand, fully reflects the inner essence of these Ukrainian "rulers".
          Report semantic research finished! soldier smile
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 19 March 2016 13: 50
            +1

            PS: And how do you get crossed out letters for it, but for someone underlined ???
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 19 March 2016 13: 58
              +2
              Quote: Baikonur
              PS: And how do you get crossed out letters for it, but for someone underlined ???
              Add a comment, then click on the "change" button and appear - surprise! - hidden text editor features wink
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 19 March 2016 14: 32
                -1
                Well ka
                try

                For sure! Thank!
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          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 19 March 2016 17: 31
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            And if you combine the names of these two "outstanding historical figures", you get PDoroshenko. And then insert between the first letters of the names ("p" and "d") the union "and",

            Rebus, however! smile
        3. vezunchik
          vezunchik 19 March 2016 18: 00
          0
          Napoleon and Hitler -129 years between the milestones of their lives
      2. MARK
        MARK 19 March 2016 13: 08
        +16
        We do not chat, but do ...! Our Crimea rightfully!
        1. AKS-U
          AKS-U 19 March 2016 14: 28
          +18
          And he was never Ukrainian. Pictures from life.
          1. Year about 70-71, was in a circus in Zaporizhia (the old one, which is above the Dnieper). Chewing ice cream, in front of me is a Zaporozhets-965 car (tin can) with Crimean numbers. And I hear such a conversation - Krymchaks arrived, they still consider themselves RUSSIAN. Then, because of my age, I did not understand the meaning of what was said.
          2. January 2005. I take the Moscow-Sevastopol train in Kharkov. I took my side and listen to the skirmish of passengers in the next reserved seat compartment. Everything is as usual on the road, something was not shared. But it hit me when a young woman of about thirty (that is, she was born when Crimea was already part of Ukraine) said to her opponent - "Remember, we are Russians." The woman was from Sevastopol.
          Express analysis - Crimea has never been Ukrainian. He was always RUSSIAN.
      3. shooter18
        shooter18 19 March 2016 13: 53
        +4
        The world has turned upside down ... the Turks who attacked throughout history and were enemies of the Ukrainians, now "bros" in a common cause ..
        1. uralex
          uralex 20 March 2016 01: 34
          0
          Erdogan and Assad also seemed to be friends, we see the consequences of this "friendship" in Syria ...
      4. AKS-U
        AKS-U 19 March 2016 14: 03
        +2
        Oh, that's exactly what they thought in '39, after August 23rd. And then they scratched their turnips and this famous - "surprise attack".
        The limit of Peace has begun and someone here will lose. laughing
      5. Asadullah
        Asadullah 19 March 2016 18: 21
        +3
        Yes, what a war, just the boys decided to have some fun, in front of each other


        Exactly. Designed for an internal audience. The author gives fantastic pictures of a possible war with Ukraine, but the announcement of such an instantly blow the sex of the Nezalezhnoy population abroad. What remains of the army is scary to think, even before the start of the battle, I am voicing not from thrice cheers-patriotic feelings, but from real knowledge of the subject. More than 90% of the Ukrainian military will not fight with Russia. Even those who studied in the West and fought in the BV. And absolutely not out of cowardice.
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 21 March 2016 00: 15
          0
          I doubt that they will not fight. When Hitler came to Ukraine in 41, there was enough to fight against Russia. And after the collapse of the USSR and so many years of brainwashing by the anti-Russian propaganda of the inhabitants of the Square, the situation will at least not be better. So we need to take off our rose-colored glasses and prepare, if necessary, to fight thoroughly, with full effort, as our fathers and grandfathers did, especially since our "partners" will pour kerosene into the fire if it breaks out.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 19 March 2016 13: 06
      +12
      During the reign of Petro Doroshenko, the Hetman Little Russia fell into complete decline and became popularly called the Ruin.

      That's for sure, history likes to repeat itself and now there is no longer Ukraine, but there is a ruin that will soon turn into ruins.
    3. OlegV
      OlegV 19 March 2016 13: 42
      +5
      There is no doubt that Petro Poroshenko agreed with the Turks on military cooperation.
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    5. AKS-U
      AKS-U 19 March 2016 13: 54
      +2
      In this case, there is nothing unusual. Each coach selects a team for his model of play. The "coach" picked up these fighters and they "play", it's just a matter of time. But now we can say about the Ukrainians - "you yourself are a Turk."
    6. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 March 2016 17: 21
      +3
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Ukrainians and Turks are ready to commit suicide and start the third world? Tin! Apparently, Erdogan and Poroshenko spring aggravation began

      I beg you, the presets stupidly raise their falling rating!
    7. meriem1
      meriem1 20 March 2016 04: 27
      0
      Quote: oleg-gr
      forecasts of Kiev military theorists, ZaES is exactly in the way of Russian troops, and it has as many as six power units


      The exacerbation is multiseasonal and they have never passed ((((
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 19 March 2016 12: 58
    +2
    AGAINST WHOM TO BE FRIENDLY, here's the question ... it great unites all destructive forces ... in this case, the opponents of Russia frostbite on the head ... and all Russian ... for example, New Russia ... Let's see ... FORCE it is all one in truth ...
  3. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 March 2016 13: 04
    +6
    I hardly read the article. Everything is fine. That's just Crimeans and Russia asked to forget.
    1. Militia
      Militia 20 March 2016 03: 40
      +1
      They asked Russia to forget.

      I beg your pardon, with your permission, hi correction
      Forgot to ask Russia good
  4. maxim1987
    maxim1987 19 March 2016 13: 10
    +4
    Nuclear power plants, in which case I think they will be captured first by the Special Operations Directorate of the GRU and then into the adjacent territories
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 March 2016 14: 39
      +3
      Yes, if they blow up 4 reactors, then all of Ukraine, together with all of Poland, will continue to become an exclusion zone for 300000 years, so the guys didn’t take into account the direction of air flows and then - where all of these from the huge infected zone will run to.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 March 2016 17: 35
      -1
      Quote: maximNNX
      Nuclear power plants, in which case I think they will be captured first by the Special Operations Directorate of the GRU and then into the adjacent territories

      And then - "a tired Russian soldier will wash his dusty boots in gentle waters ... .."? smile
    3. O. Bender
      O. Bender 19 March 2016 23: 43
      -1
      There it is necessary for the operational personnel to land those who could manage the reactor and, of course, the support group
  5. izya top
    izya top 19 March 2016 13: 12
    +1
    clowns. nata will support them fool yeah already running
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 March 2016 13: 18
    +4
    "I have no doubt that Petro Poroshenko has enlisted the support of Recep Erdogan," yeah ... friendship is friendship, and his shirt is closer to the body ...
  7. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 19 March 2016 13: 20
    +3
    As children and thoughts ukrokhokhlov Bandera idiotic. When the cat has nothing to do, he begins ... and the Turks with Bandera. They are warmed by what is behind them of the West, NATO. , The West itself is afraid that something will not fly on their heads that will cause them a bo-bo. The United States is not in vain pulling its military forces into a smelly geyropa so that the geyropeyts begin to hysteria and turn their eyes to the United States.
  8. forester
    forester 19 March 2016 13: 22
    0
    Bullshit - they will not risk the war neither the Ukrainians and not the Turks because in this case they will be left without guidance for several hours Chatter about the Russian threat is needed to again cause interest in yourself
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 19 March 2016 13: 27
      +4
      Well, cut the denyuzhku easy ...
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 March 2016 13: 25
    +8
    I think that our GS also considered such a scenario. And probably, I decided that the dog’s tail should be chopped right away, and not piece by piece. Russia has 60 thousand paratroopers. In conditions of complete suppression of aviation and air defense, to seize all these stations is not a long thing. But not even a desire to talk about it. There was an old joke about how China will defeat Russia. He will approach the border with a hundred millionth army, declare war, and in five minutes he will surrender ...
    Russia, IMHO, does not need a "captive", ruined Ruin with an otmaidan population. Let them try to restore what they have destroyed. Russia will not appear for this war, as it has never appeared before ...
  10. individual
    individual 19 March 2016 13: 25
    +3
    Part of the story goes in a circle.
    But it must be seen that the Bosporus and Dardanelles should be controlled from the Crimea.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 19 March 2016 18: 35
      +2
      I agree - the Russian Federation should include the "Tsaregrad Federal District"
  11. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 19 March 2016 13: 26
    +3
    I read it and think, "Or maybe we bang ?!" Now I am watching the film "Listen, in the compartments!" I see the equipment of the USSR Navy, I see the power of the Union, and I really want to hit the spotted hog with his head on a concrete corner, because everything that is happening in the world now is an echo of his decisions.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 19 March 2016 13: 33
      +1
      Do not judge. And you will not be judged. He himself lived with him, ready to hold it by the throat. Only zero sense.
    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 19 March 2016 14: 39
      +11
      On the basis of our brigade, exercises were conducted to test the psychological stability of the crew. On a boat, people are essentially cut off from the world after going to sea. He lives only by what the commander reports, no news from anywhere. All communication is under control. And reports are received and sent via sbd communications so that the enemy does not detect the transmission. The text is stuffed, then it is converted into punched tape, it is charged into a "shark" and bam-and-a-half seconds, and all the info went to the operational fleet. The reverse process is the same.
      So, only the commander and commander of the Bch-4 was dedicated to the case. Prepared in advance a punched tape, which at the right time "received" the commander of the battalion 4. Then it is translated into numbers and letters, passed to the shaman (cipher), who, under the supervision of the deputy for political affairs, translates it into a readable text.
      The deputy, having read off, breaks down to the commander, after which I announce the crew.
      The text is such, a war began with the adoption of nuclear weapons, the list cities, our bases, and so on were attacked.
      The boat was in the Greenland Sea in combat service. On board are nuclear weapons, full readiness to accept them. The task is to go to the area where the American aircraft carrier group is located (just nearby) and destroy using the same nuclear weapons.
      "The war lasted about three days, then they announced that it was an exercise and returned the boat to the base, for analysis and restore blood circulation, so to speak.
      The deputy only got a little sergeant, the rest calmly transferred everything. Although it is difficult to say what exactly each person experienced for his family and friends. There was no fear, on the contrary, all feelings and instincts aimed at fulfilling the task were aggravated, constant training and exercises made themselves known. It was painful for the near and dear ones; the unknown frightened what happened to them. And I must say it is very difficult to keep in yourself.
      Why am I doing this. Of course, to smell it right at the right time, but only when the real threat to life for your loved ones will increase even more if you do not.
      1. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 19 March 2016 15: 57
        +1
        I think after this there was only one thing - you are the tip of a weapon - which should hit the target.
  12. pts-m
    pts-m 19 March 2016 13: 29
    0
    As we recently discussed an article about brainwashing the residents of Urinov. Maybe they have already come up with something? And then a ruinian and a turkunuty boy, or something played in the soldiers. Maybe the person watching the VO has suggestions? But can these gamers be brainwashed at a distance?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 19 March 2016 13: 43
      +2
      I answer as a concrete crest, the truth is Siberian roots.
      wink
      The person looking at VO has no suggestions, although you can ask. And the "soldier" here have already learned concrete. Thanks to the guys from Russia.
  13. V.ic
    V.ic 19 March 2016 13: 40
    +2
    Song about gay I remembered. Maybe someone doesn’t believe, so check: "Oh, the mountain is that zhintsi ..." Just about Poroshenko & Cº: / only quotes /:
    buggerthe valley bugger,
    Wide
    The Cossacks are leaving.
    buggerthe valley bugger,
    А behind - Sagaidachny,
    And behind - Sagaidachny,
    Що promіnyav Жінку / !!! /
    On tyutyun, on the cradle,
    Unreachable.
    «bugger, come back, Sagaidachny, (Two)
    Take your wife
    Віддай tyutyun-cradle,
    Unreachable.
    Well, Banshee, sorry, I was driving in the original "GEY"
  14. ovod84
    ovod84 19 March 2016 13: 44
    0
    Petro Doroshenko and if instead of q put n get Poroshenko. All the same, do not underestimate the enemy. war is bad.
  15. individual
    individual 19 March 2016 13: 49
    +1
    One should not wait for a repetition of history and already now abandon the world football battle in Russia, when the world missile and tank "BIATLON" is brewing on our borders.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 19 March 2016 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: individ
      already now to abandon the world football battle in Russia, when the world missile and tank "BIATLON" is brewing on our borders.

      ... you can't take us to "weak", and to our "biathlon" stsykuns /Banshee, I'm waiting!/ never arrived.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 March 2016 14: 54
      0
      If they want to find a reason to invade, they will find. A World Cup does not mean a decrease in combat readiness of the aircraft.
  16. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 19 March 2016 13: 56
    +3
    Once the vector of anti-Russian hysteria, initially provoked exclusively by Britain and the United States, then supported by the Balts and Poles, has grown to a massive saturation of equipment and troops on the eastern borders of the "satellites of the West" (read at the western and southern borders of the Russian Federation), will turn into unbridled aggression and tragedy of the world scale in the form you want a world war, you want a world war without the US and NATO as a whole, but with its individual members. The boundary of the beginning of the world war, which the United States probably set for itself in the person of the "masters of the country" (the Rockefellers and other tycoons), is 2020 + 2-3 years, but no later. By this date, most of the US and NATO rearmament programs have ended.
    If the Russian Federation remains in its current composition with a capable and patriotic power at the head of the country, then we can still fight back.
    It is not necessary to throw caps on everyone and everything.
    Quietly we forge a sword for defense, but if someone comes to us with his sword, he will fall on it.
    I remember on the open spaces of the network such a saying (whether it is true or not is not known for sure) that Obama in February 2016 at a closed meeting of law enforcement agencies (Ministry of Defense, State Department, CIA, FBI, etc.) said that “I would so that I have at least one squadron and infantry with armored vehicles, effective headquarters and supplies, like Putin in Syria, the exclusivity of our nation would be recognized by everyone, and our enemies would retreat. "
  17. max2215
    max2215 19 March 2016 13: 59
    +2
    ZAES is exactly in the way of Russian troops, and it has as many as six power units. The explosion of only one reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant caused the strongest radioactive contamination of a large area. The effect will be stronger if two or more such blocks explode at once.

    This is the problem, in the event of a crisis, the Airborne Forces and the Special Forces will have to drop and hold on to our approach. Otherwise, they will definitely blow it up, then there is no mind.
    GS probably already worked out all the options.
    And the Turks are our eternal enemies, and they really want revenge, but if we clash, then Paris, Berlin, we should use the opportunity to return Istanbul's historical name, and the problem with the straits will disappear. Cape-assiduousness, of course, but it would be wonderful .....
    1. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 19 March 2016 18: 01
      0
      and the name will be Chernobyl-2
  18. EvgNik
    EvgNik 19 March 2016 14: 02
    +3
    Calm, only calm:
  19. yuriy55
    yuriy55 19 March 2016 14: 06
    +1
    The story has a repetition feature.


    I don’t know whether to believe? winked
  20. qwert111
    qwert111 19 March 2016 14: 10
    +2
    Whoever undertook to build the “independence” of Ukraine under anti-Russian slogans always ended up surrendering it to the dominion of another power, alien and even hostile to the Ukrainians. This is the lesson of history, and you can’t change anything here.
    And the "hero of Ukraine" hetman Doroshenko still ran to Russia and even was a governor in Vyatka for a couple of years.
  21. Gunther
    Gunther 19 March 2016 14: 13
    +2
    Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavuşo «lu ..: "If necessary, I assure you, we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days."
    ..... The Turkish leader assured that "Turkey will always support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea."

    It’s a completely intelligible position, so for starters it’s necessary, in my opinion, to have all the Turkish agents of influence in Russia rooted to the root.
    You support Turkish influence in Russia - you support the occupation of Russia.
    Since Russia is going to allocate 2017 billion rubles to Abkhazia by 12, according to the program of socio-economic development of the republic, the Abkhaz need to decide who they are with or let their Georgians and Turks finance.
  22. VB
    VB 19 March 2016 14: 19
    +1
    , in a medical sense, Fedichev, the direction of the main blow of the Invincible and Legendary, in case of war, outlined in accordance with his missing brains, I congratulate the outskirts, their officers suffer from a lack of education, not all, of course, but banderlogs. Let them try to start a war, already tired of promising. It's time for them to prepare to turn into humus.
  23. avva2012
    avva2012 19 March 2016 14: 30
    +2
    Thanks to the author for the in-depth analysis of the same Turkish armed forces. Interesting and informative. But a declaration of war? The bombing of our nuclear power plants is beyond. That is, we missed the Ukrainian missile, and did not answer? Ukraine blew up power units and the whole of Europe no longer has a haircut due to the lack of what to cut. Yes, soon tomorrow a UFO will fly to Red Square.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 March 2016 15: 04
      +2
      We have enough cruise missiles for Turkey, and LDNR will cope with Ukraine.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 19 March 2016 15: 31
        0
        Imagine how Erdogan is upset, Kim has nuclear weapons, but his "superpower" does not.
        And missiles are definitely enough, and not only cruise missiles, for all, in abundance!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 March 2016 16: 22
          0
          It’s interesting - will they impose sanctions against Turkey if it starts to enrich uranium and produce nuclear weapons.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 March 2016 17: 55
            +1
            I think yes. But a couple more billion will be allocated to deter refugees.
            There is another question. The country simply does not have the ability to produce nuclear weapons. Something is missing. And it's not about GDP.
  24. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 19 March 2016 15: 16
    +5
    People, usually speaking in an aggressive tone, using aggressive rhetoric ... etc., are not really ready to use force. Aggressive rhetoric is inherent in the hysterical type of personality. This is psychology.
    Those who are ready to use force do not try to talk about it at every corner, but actually use it.
  25. Arkan
    Arkan 19 March 2016 15: 18
    0
    The scenarios described in the article have a place to be. One must be prepared for the inadequate actions of Ukrainian radicals. This herd is illiterate and cannot understand the danger of radioactive contamination of the territory. Also, RadioKala is cowardly and corrupt, my hut from the edge is their life credo, this also needs to be taken into account in the list of measures to prevent various dirty tricks.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 March 2016 15: 39
      0
      They can understand the danger, but who can say where they have the limits of adequacy and adventurism? And in the case of "so do not get you to anyone," in general, they can do anything.
  26. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 March 2016 15: 32
    0
    Well, almost everything is correct except for some points, I think who is responsible for these issues for a long time took everything into account, wrote down and laid out the packages, it remains only to open it in due time and complete the task.
  27. VeterS
    VeterS 19 March 2016 15: 32
    +1
    The calculation is simple: initiate a swara and announce to the whole world that “aggressive Russia” has finally shown its true face and has begun an open invasion of the territory of an independent “peace-loving Ukraine”.
    The time of tank attacks and hand-to-hand fighting is a thing of the past. (Remaining the destiny of such countries as Ukraine or Ethiopia.) It is enough to massively destroy everything that crawls, flies, swims or hides without the contact use of ground forces. Naturally, if there is no question of clearing and joining some enemy territory. The latter implies the need to feed the enemy population remaining on these lands. So it’s simpler: demolished the military component of Ukraine, and then their problems. Or the population ... if they want to live.
    The objects of their attacks can be nuclear power plants, so additional measures for their defense should be taken care of in advance.
    Sanya (Sharkovsky), honestly, guessed it yourself or who prompted?
    1. Wind_zl
      Wind_zl 19 March 2016 15: 36
      +3
      Apparently, Pete Americans clearly explained that Russia would simply be obliged to feed its prisoners of war.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 March 2016 16: 18
    +2
    Ukraine declares war on Russia.
    Russia expels to the territory of Ukraine all its citizens (well, except for citizens from New Russia).
    Is it logical? Yes, quite so. Ukrainians execute Petya and end the war.
    We must not kill Ukrainians. Not because fraternal people and the like.
    It’s just that later these dead will blame us for the fact that we are to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine.
    Ukraine should collapse itself, without our military participation.
    I do not mean the cessation of support for New Russia and our sanctions / anti-sanctions.
    Well, what is swaying Turkey, then in the light of the recent terrorist attacks in Ankara, it will not be easy for it even without a war with Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 March 2016 16: 24
      0
      Here too - let yourself be destroyed from the inside.
  29. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 19 March 2016 17: 31
    0
    I assure you, we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days

    What did he smoke ??? wassat fool
  30. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 19 March 2016 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Darth Revan
    I assure you, we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days

    What did he smoke ??? wassat fool

    Petro Poroshenko presented him moonshine on chicken droppings with infusion, so he got hooked .....
  31. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 19 March 2016 18: 30
    0
    Considering that belligerent moods are now pumping up in Ukraine (right up to tantrum), it is possible that there may be a group of brains who have finally gone who want to break up the nuclear power plant.

    I can imagine how the West will immediately assess this - "Russian saboteurs have committed a monstrous crime against young democracy", "more sanctions", etc.
  32. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 19 March 2016 18: 45
    0
    The entire article is built on the assumption that NATO will not intervene. It doesn’t intervene right away, but after some time? It definitely gets in. Don't go to the grandmother. The states will wait as usual, and when we get out of breath ... No wonder they are troops to our borders, oh no wonder.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 19 March 2016 19: 23
      0
      The entire article is built on the assumption that NATO will not intervene. It doesn’t intervene right away, but after some time ?,
      do you think they decided to end their (so far) civilization by suicide? It was clearly stated: Russia, if necessary, will apply ..., and so on.
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 19 March 2016 18: 55
    +1
    Even talking about the Russians won with the Russians is blasphemous. Patients must be treated, and the top, like cancer cells, destroyed. Western regions - the independence of the forelock, it is possible and higher.
  34. Don36
    Don36 19 March 2016 20: 01
    0
    The Ottoman Empire and Ukraine have already fought against Russia. They want revenge ?! Let them try, let's see what remains of these warriors. I remember that Mazepa did not roll in the war with Russia, I do not think that Poroshenko will become a more successful commander.
  35. aleksey980
    aleksey980 19 March 2016 20: 29
    +1
    the experienced fighter Russophobe Saakashvili assures his listeners that the Ukrainian army can easily occupy Russia if it is provided with American weapons, that the fighting spirit of Ukrainian soldiers is higher than ever and taught by the Pentagon’s military specialists who trained Georgian soldiers at the time, and this is the key to an imminent victory in a possible upcoming war between Ukraine and Russia.

    Aha haaaaaa ... Hold me seven
  36. Mercenary
    Mercenary 19 March 2016 20: 51
    0
    Everything is much simpler;
    1 Start a war against Russia
    2 Lose with minimal losses.
    3 Perdushenko and Rada are evacuated to the West.
    4 By decision of the EU, Russia is obliged to restore the economy of the occupied territory, and of course feed and take care of the Ukrainian population in the amount of 40 million - THEY ARE CHILDREN!
  37. Yasha Gypsy
    Yasha Gypsy 19 March 2016 20: 54
    0
    It seems that all the straits will have to be expanded slightly due to the Turkish coast
  38. Mikado
    Mikado 19 March 2016 21: 20
    0
    According to the Ukrainian troops cited by the author. If I am not mistaken, "Scud" and "Elbrus" are one and the same (and the word "Scud" is generally a NATO classification). Maybe a typo? According to all the unloved Wikipedia (and with its links to sources), Ukraine has removed Elbrus from service and, it seems, has already cut it all for scrap. Yours faithfully, hi
  39. iouris
    iouris 19 March 2016 23: 26
    0
    By the way, the second part of the quotation "... in the form of a farce" (if I am not mistaken, Marx, "The 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte").
    In fact, in such a state of the state "Ukraine" it is a dirty nuclear time bomb. Of course, everyone in the EU understands that all these charges are on Russian territory. However, this also applies to the EU. There the threat is even higher, since the population density is higher, and there will be nowhere to evacuate.
    It is high time for the EU to propagandize and educate on the unacceptably low level of nuclear safety in a state that considers itself Ukraine. Intervention may be needed to take control of nuclear power plants and the Chernobyl zone.
  40. erofich
    erofich 19 March 2016 23: 41
    0
    Even surnames are consonant with the modern Petit with his ancestor.
  41. tolancop
    tolancop 20 March 2016 09: 47
    0
    I read with interest. Before the phrase
    ".. Point U" with a range of up to 120 km; "Scud", whose firing range reaches 600 km; "Elbrus", which sends a deadly cargo at a distance of up to 200 km ... "
    and realized that he wasted his time. The author at least looked in the directories ...
    1. Vad
      Vad 20 March 2016 21: 03
      +1
      I looked, the ramp and Elbrus are identical. At least Wikipedia says so in terms of characteristics, what did you find a mistake in?
      1. tolancop
        tolancop 20 March 2016 21: 47
        +1
        And this too. Scud is the foreign name of "Elbrus". The firing range is not good. Hussein's SCADES, allegedly, could shoot at 600 km, the Germans redesigned the missile for a longer range by making it easier and less reliable. Perhaps the author had in mind this particular SCUD. But then it is not clear how he ended up in Ukraine, which, as a seller of Soviet weapons, was noted well, but somehow not very among the buyers. YES, and the sense in acquiring "over the hill" of the ANCIENT complex is somehow not visible. Generally. Incl. With a SCAD with a range of 600 km, there is somehow a problem. And with Elbrus everything is much simpler: the maximum range is 300 km, the minimum range is 50. That's it. In all reference books. And no options other than the ignorance of the author. And if the author gives out inaccurate information on issues that have been in the public domain for 30 years, and no matter for what reasons (laziness, negligence, etc.), then there is no reason to trust his other reasoning-statements. If the analyst is careless about the original data, then as an analyst he is an empty space. And the results of his analytical research have their place on a carnation in a well-known room.
  42. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 20 March 2016 09: 53
    0
    Pedro and Erdogashka! Two acrobat brothers. Each will try to deceive the other!
  43. t118an
    t118an 20 March 2016 10: 03
    0
    It’s a pity that not all the rulers of our neighboring countries are as wise as Aliyev, Azerbaijan has a very sound policy towards Russia and Poroshenko should learn from Aliyev