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Oppositionist or rebel - what is the difference

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Oppositionist or rebel - what is the difference Western politicians always speak a specific language. In which terms used are absolutely not random. They carry a certain load and perform a specific task. Which one? Yes, very simple - to help implement the plans of the West. And this help in the information sphere, through the use of false terms that hide the meaning and essence of what is happening, is no less important for the West than carpet bombing and political assassinations.


The term "moderate opposition" from this number. Western politicians so call those with weapons in the hands of fighting against the government of Bashar Assad, but not included in Daesh.

Let's deal.

The adoption of Western terms carries with it a certain threat. You agreed with the term “Stalin's repressions”, and you have already placed all the blame on the tragedy of the end of 30 that took place personally on I.V. Stalin. Personally. And all those who were at the top of the party and the army participated in a whole series of REAL conspiracies, were innocent victims. Even if they themselves had previously ardently advocated repression against others or, like Tukhachevsky, they used combat poison gases in general against their own people.

(And such an atrocity at the beginning of the twentieth century, there are no analogues in stories, moreover, the gases were used not even against the regular units, that at least somehow it would be justified, but against the men sitting in the forest!)

You agreed with the discussion of the topic “Should Russia pay compensation to the Baltic States for the occupation?”, And now you are “as if” in agreement with what the “occupation” was, and went into the plane whether or not you should also give money.

(And the truth is that Latvia and Estonia seceded from the Russian Empire completely illegally, being territories bought by different kings. They left, signing agreements with the Bolsheviks, whom the Balts agree to call legitimate power during the civil war, but no longer exist in 1939 — 1940. As for Lithuania, it received Vilnius (Vilna) and the Vilnius region in the 1939 year under a treaty with the USSR. After leaving the USSR, Lithuanian leaders for some reason are not in a hurry to return them).

What is “moderate opposition”? How does she look? And how does it differ from the rebels? The question is not idle. As soon as Russia showed success in striking the forces that plunged Syria into a civil war, Western media voiced voices about "strikes against the moderate opposition," and not against Daesh. Calls began and even a demand to stop the raids of ours and the Syrian aviation, and Angela Merkel even tried to hint "about the no-fly zone." Along the way, we recall and analyze this false term - “no-fly zone”. If you thought that this is an airspace in which no combat aircraft fly, then you were mistaken. In Libya, this "zone" has already been shown to us. The “no-fly zone” was over the country of Muammar Gaddafi - in reality it turned out that this is a situation where only NATO planes fly in the sky of Libya, which can bomb whatever they want. Libyan planes are not allowed to fly.

But back to the "moderate opposition." If you agree to the use of this term, then you automatically agree that:

in Syria, there is a certain “moderate opposition” that cries for the country and wants good to Syria;
And since it is moderate, since it is opposition, and since it wants good for its country (some democratization and some reforms - with these abstract words, the West always covers up its plans to destroy or enslave peoples and countries!), Then the source of evil is in Bashar Asad. He is guilty;
So imperceptibly, the blame for the beginning of the civil war is shifted to the legitimate government of Syria, although it is obvious that no “opposition” can drive a regular Syrian army on the country's 1 / 5 territory for almost five years without outside help;
From recognizing, albeit indirectly yet, the guilt of Assad to supporting the demand for his leaving is one step. If, however, agreeing that there is some kind of “moderate opposition”, you refuse to accept the need to remove Bashar al-Assad from the authorities, they immediately start accusing you of supporting the “dictator”. If you support the "dictator" - then who are you? That's right - the dictator. So you fell into the trap that the use of the terms offered by the West initially carried.
Please note that you and I have not even dealt with the analysis of the first part of the term “moderate opposition”, showing that there is no difference between the supposedly “moderate” Islamists and the Islamists immoderate.

The term "opposition" is false, in relation to those who are fighting with arms against legitimate authority. This is not the "opposition" - it is the rebels.

Oppositions are those who, using the political field, using the appropriate legal methods, lead the POLITICAL struggle for their political goals. When a weapon is taken in hand, it is no longer the opposition, it is already rebels, gangsters, rebels, revolutionaries. You can use any other methods for them, depending on your likes or dislikes and depending on how legitimate you consider their actions to be based on international law. But this is definitely not the opposition, and there is no need to find out the degree of its “moderation”. The watershed is simple - the oppositionist with a ballpoint pen, with a microphone, with a computer. The rebel - with a gun or artillery gun.

Depending on this and countermeasures. If you struggle with political measures, then they “interact” with you in the same way. If you lead an armed struggle, then the opposition to you occurs by armed means. And the requirement not to use force against those who, with arms in hand, plunged their country into ruin and the blood that the West puts forward is a disguised desire to create an advantage for the rebels. To help them win, ultimately.

Therefore, the correct position in negotiations with the West will be as follows.

Syria is a sovereign state in which power was lawfully elected. With which for a long time dealt, including the West itself.

People who have taken up arms and are trying to overthrow the legitimate power are rebels. Negotiations with them, their participation in political life, are possible. But only after they lay down their arms and from the category of "rebels" really move into the category of "opposition."
And in general - you hear the term from Western politicians - be careful. In 99% of cases, it will carry the Trojan Horse of the information war.
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  1. seti
    seti 28 February 2016 15: 19
    100
    Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.
    1. de klermon
      de klermon 28 February 2016 15: 30
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      Starikov, of course, thanks ... A kind of "captain is obvious"!)
      In general, it is true, but there are "buts"! The key difference between these two concepts and the truth is on which side in relation to the law they are!
      The rebel is a fighter for power who has broken the law: he won - a hero, lost - a felon!
      Oppositionist - a fighter for power within the law: no romance, but more reliable prospects!
      Why does the opposition have better prospects? A violent change of power is what leads to the desacralization of this power: it is possible for one, then it is possible for another !!! The result is a blood bath: either to maintain power by the invaders, or as a result of its loss, and also by force!
      The oppositionist, while maintaining the process of struggle within the framework of the law, strengthens this law, thereby strengthening the result of this struggle in case of victory!
      Yes, there are exceptions, but there is already a general rule ...
      PS Patriotism here cannot be a criterion: any national liberation struggle of the oppressed with the use of violence is in the form of an armed rebellion, but in fact a revolt of patriots! Almost everyone will explain this to us in most of the former colonies, not to mention the Donbass!
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 February 2016 15: 39
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        Quote: de Klermon
        The rebel is a fighter for power who has broken the law: he won - a hero, lost - a felon!
        Oppositionist - a fighter for power within the law: no romance, but more reliable prospects!



        It is difficult to draw a line and you correctly said - the winner gets everything.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 28 February 2016 15: 46
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          It is difficult to draw a line and you correctly said - the winner gets everything.
          There are still opposition-earlings that everyone sees and knows at once! Traitors to the Motherland!

          And this purulent rot will never triumph!

          Yesterday there was an action in memory (anniversary of the green forehead) of one of them - BNEMtsov! All the "oppositionists" were sure to tear their "brother" s throats at the funeral service! Ugh, b ... b!

          "For the.rant ... The time will come! Pay! Pay for everything! Bloodsuckers."
          - M. Ulyanov, film "Voroshilovsky shooter"
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 February 2016 18: 33
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            N. Starikov raises a very important problem of neuro-linguistic zombies (verbal hypnosis) for the national security of Russia in general, and with reference to the war in Syria in particular.
            The fact is that on the eve of 1991, the Russians faced the West in a very disadvantaged position in the educational sense. Namely, school education in Soviet times did not include such a separate discipline as logic. It was not in non-philosophical specialized universities, except for graduate school (and that, in fact, is not always of sufficient quality).
            As a result, Soviet people are accustomed to uncritically trust the representatives of the communist government as an “unconditional” guardian of the freedom and well-being of the Soviet people. And in the end, they were, firstly, unarmed in the antisocialist machinations of M. Gorbachev and his Co., as well as in front of the Western-style Yeltsin “reformers”. And secondly, they turned out to be unarmed before advertising foreign goods and products on the Russian sales market - and massively surrendered their Russian market of domestic goods to a foreign manufacturer. Of course, it is possible to blame the new private owners of privatized enterprises for this, but the people are not blamed for this either - the people turned out to be easily influenced by advertising. For example, advertising "MMM", or advertising that supposedly private ownership of enterprises is always more effective than managing state property. Neuro-linguistic Western propaganda in the destruction of the socialist system played a large-scale role on the population of the USSR for a bourgeois coup in the country.
            But in the West - in the USA - in the laws of neuro-linguistic psychology, the servants of the capitalists saw reserves for the neocolonization of the peoples of other countries. For this, entire scientific institutes were created, for which all the same Anglo-Saxon neo-colonialists did not spare money. The range of application of the efforts of graduates is quite large - from ordinary sales managers of goods and services to senior management officials in the victim country to sell the national interests of their homeland in favor of the United States.
            Neuro-linguistics is completely attached to logic. And in this regard, I can recommend you one very outstanding book:
            Piri M. Iron arguments. Victory even if you're wrong. - SPb .: Peter, 2013. - 192 s., Ill. - (Series "To himself a psychologist").
            Written by Madsen Pir, President of the Adam Smith Institute, Professor of Logic and Philosophy.
            And after reading it, you will understand how exactly - with what tricks - Machiavellians of all stripes control you from the side and how to avoid this in the future.
            N. Starikov, being a historian by education, just applies this knowledge in his practice.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 28 February 2016 19: 14
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              Quote: Tatiana
              But in the West - in the USA - in the laws of neuro-linguistic psychology, the servants of the capitalists saw reserves for the neocolonization of the peoples of other countries. For this, entire scientific institutes were created, for which all the same Anglo-Saxon neo-colonialists did not spare money. The range of application of the efforts of graduates is quite large - from ordinary sales managers of goods and services to senior management officials in the victim country to sell the national interests of their homeland in favor of the United States.

              Judging by the latest developments in the teaching of neuro-linguistic psychology, there is a certain decline, even rather a crisis! If you look at the heresy carried by the US presidents (Bush, Obama) or their representatives in the State Department (Jen Psaki, Mary Harf, John Kirby) it sometimes seems they are not only not familiar with neuro-linguistic psychology, but they did not go to school at all.
              Although, of course, in the era of unsubstantiated statements, there is something ............ it’s not just that these du.rni were there!
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 28 February 2016 20: 03
                +5
                APASUS
                Although, of course, in the era of unsubstantiated statements, there is something ............ it’s not just that these du.rni were there!

                That's it! Here you are closer to the truth.
                Here, for example, is an example of linguistic manipulative zombies by a representative of the US State Department, which journalists expose, but which is not really noticeable to ordinary people.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 February 2016 20: 12
                  +5
                  APASUS
                  Although, of course, in the era of unsubstantiated statements, there is something ............ it’s not just that these du.rni were there!

                  And here, for example, is the opinion of journalists themselves about Psaki - the quality and importance of her work in the State Department in the field of manipulating public consciousness.
                  Psaki manipulates very well
            2. creak
              creak 28 February 2016 20: 38
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              Quote: Tatiana
              are unarmed before the anti-socialist machinations of M. Gorbachev

              The anti-socialist machinations of M. Gorbachev - Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee (leading and directing the Party) - and I remember how he applauded while standing - and where were you before, all brave when you allowed ...
              For some reason you used to keep your mouth shut -
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 28 February 2016 21: 01
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                creak
                Quote: Tatiana
                are unarmed before the anti-socialist machinations of M. Gorbachev
                The anti-socialist machinations of M. Gorbachev - Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee (leading and directing the Party) - and I remember how he applauded while standing - and where were you before, all brave when you allowed ...
                For some reason, you used to keep quiet in a rag -

                You have now applied linguistic zombies - Psaki’s technique. Transferred unproven blame from Gorbachev to absolutely all communists.
                Yes, there were then courageous - both communists and non-party! Were !!! Only their zombified mass of workers just did not hear. In 1991, even the military did not believe in betrayal at the very top, even in the party ranks. The army was waiting for the order to defend the Motherland, but it did not wait for the order. The troops mostly stayed in the barracks. This is a long conversation.
                Where were you then yourself? Have you watched everything from the outside?
                1. gergi
                  gergi 28 February 2016 21: 20
                  +5
                  And he giggled maliciously.
                2. Alexander 67
                  Alexander 67 29 February 2016 01: 45
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                  Let’s just not block the Communists. Gorbachev was not abandoned like a saboteur by parachute. He was elected and systematically moved along the imperious party vertical. And the Communists did it. He was chosen by the Communists and they alone are responsible for all his atrocities against the country.
                  1. Diana Ilyina
                    Diana Ilyina 29 February 2016 09: 47
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                    Quote: Alexander 67
                    Let’s just not block the Communists. Gorbachev was not abandoned like a saboteur by parachute. He was elected and systematically moved along the imperious party vertical. And the Communists did it. He was chosen by the Communists and they alone are responsible for all his atrocities against the country.


                    But let's not smear all the Communists with a known substance. My grandfather went through two wars, was an officer and a COMMUNIST! After the war, he restored industry, built the Belokalitivsky Metallurgical Plant, where he later worked as a simple foundry worker, although he was repeatedly offered a position in the party’s district committee! What exactly is he to blame for ?! Or did he personally bring Gorbachev to power ?!
                    1. creak
                      creak 29 February 2016 11: 38
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                      Quote: Diana Ilyina
                      But let's not smear all communists with a known substance

                      Yes, no one smears, and let us make less reference to grandfathers and fathers - they are not your merits - you need to talk more about yourself ....
                      This is to the fact that we have long had a deep-rooted tradition of singing praises to the incumbent leader, and after his death or resignation, just as amicably kick him and vilify him with the last words.
                      Exactly as the poet once said:
                      "They will exalt him high
                      They will be thrown into the abyss without shame. "
                      Surnames, I believe, need not be called, they are known, because this is not only about Gorbachev, whom I am not at all inclined to justify ...
                      These sessions of mass enlightenment do not look very convincing - another characteristic example - among the so-called For some reason, Orthodox activists turned out to be many former party functionaries and teachers of scientific atheism ...
                      It was true that the most ardent anti-Semite was a baptized Jew ...
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 29 February 2016 12: 34
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                        creak
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        But let's not smear all communists with a known substance
                        These sessions of mass enlightenment do not look very convincing - another characteristic example - among the so-called For some reason, Orthodox activists turned out to be many former party functionaries and teachers of scientific atheism ...
                        It was true that the most ardent anti-Semite was a baptized Jew ...

                        ranger-ranger! You have a direct GIFT to confuse God's gift with fried eggs! laughing Eclectic you are ours! Let’s still distinguish the flies in the soup from the soup itself - i.e. to distinguish the particular from the general through the special!
                        another typical example is among the so-called Orthodox activists for some reason turned out to be many former party functionaries and teachers of scientific atheism ...
                        Here you correctly noticed. There is such a phenomenon in fact among former party leaders and functionaries. But guess for yourself with 3 times why?
                      2. creak
                        creak 29 February 2016 13: 39
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You have a direct GIFT to confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs! There is such a phenomenon in fact among former party leaders and functionaries. But guess for yourself 3 times why?


                        And you seem to consider it your gift to open our eyes to the meager at what is happening - five minutes without the Messiah ...
                        Everything is just like in the good old days and the label has been picked up - it’s good, at least eclectic, and not something that, as before, would have drawn to the article.
                        So the mentioned functionaries were doing about the same thing - how true are their sermons and sincerely their convictions, we see well today ...
                        So, please leave your sci-fi - we also studied at one time and a lot, saw something in our lifetime, and as sovereign people engaged in quite concrete matters, and not verbiage at party meetings ... hi
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 29 February 2016 19: 00
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                        creak
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You have a direct GIFT to confuse God's gift with fried eggs!
                        And you, it seems, consider it your gift to open our eyes to the meager at what is happening - without five minutes the Messiah ...

                        ranger-ranger! Well, you can’t generalize like that! laughing Is it possible SO to make people laugh on the forum ?! I laughed at your comment to tears! crying
                        You, like Psaki, are only in trousers - “zombie” people to the fullest! yes Deficiencies in life you notice are correct - but generalizing conclusions do not inspire confidence in you! No offense to you, of course, I have said this. drinks
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        2. gergi
          gergi 28 February 2016 20: 58
          +9
          After a hunchbacked fag, and eternally drunk EBN, our immunity developed to all kinds of verbal diarrhea. Fuck us zombie, let the shit-liberal liberals not hope. Snoop, kill us!
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 28 February 2016 22: 40
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            Quote: gergi
            we have immunity developed to all kinds of verbal diarrhea.

            so now this diarrhea has become chronic.
            Quote: gergi
            Fuck us zombie, let the shit-liberal liberals not hope.

            25 years of non-stop tryndzha, and under it robbery of the country.
        3. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 28 February 2016 22: 05
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          N. Starikov, being a historian by education, just applies this knowledge in his practice.

          I enjoyed reading your comment. And so it was. Thank.
        4. balyaba
          balyaba 29 February 2016 06: 06
          +3
          N. Starikov, an economist, came to grips with history when he heard that Ulyanov (Lenin) was not a German spy, but English.
        5. Cresta999
          Cresta999 29 February 2016 16: 36
          +5
          You say everything correctly, of course, but so, for information: the discipline "logic" was in Soviet schools. The truth is not long. It was introduced by Stalin. Canceled after his death. I had the honor to hold a textbook in my hands.
        6. python2a
          python2a 29 February 2016 18: 17
          +1
          There is enough logic in mathematics; it is more correct to say that it is the basis of mathematics. And mathematics in our country was taught well in Soviet times. And the question is who and how was in school. If there are gaps in the school course of mathematics, then logic is not all right.
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 28 February 2016 22: 18
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        Quote: Baikonur
        There are still opposition-earlings that everyone sees and knows at once! Traitors to the Motherland!

        And there is also a tame, clownish opposition, which is one whole with the authorities.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 28 February 2016 15: 48
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      Quote: cniza
      It's hard to draw a line

      Do you remember how in the first Chechen war, many Russian media called the participants in illegal armed groups "Chechen oppositionists"? That "opposition" also cut their heads and burned them alive, as now the "moderate" in Syria. But even our official propaganda did not call them "rebels" - the authorities did not want to admit that it was an armed mutiny that took place in Chechnya. The maximum that they could afford - "militants" or "members of illegal armed groups" .. And things should be called by their proper names, for better understanding and understanding.
    3. AVV
      AVV 28 February 2016 16: 13
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      And America has one face, they do not accept another face, therefore Starikov is a thousand times right !!!
    4. Ilotan
      Ilotan 28 February 2016 21: 26
      +3
      "Mutiny cannot end in luck,
      Otherwise his name is different ... "
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 29 February 2016 08: 23
        +2
        The crediting moment from the movie "Shogun" is the question of the Japoshi "How can the revolt of the subjects against the emperor be justified" (meaning the Netherlands against Spain) and the answer of Richard Chamberlain - "by the fact that it is SUCCESSFUL". A successful mutiny is already a STATE REVOROT.
    5. Sergey824
      Sergey824 29 February 2016 11: 12
      +1
      I'd like to hear about the MODERATE GERMAN, ENGLISH, God forgive me, the AMERICAN (USA) OPPOSITION! With great pleasure we reasoned!
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  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 28 February 2016 15: 42
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    The double standard is a favorite horse of Western diplomats, politicians, and media figures. Therefore, not a single word of them can be trusted, because deceit and deceit are always behind it.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 28 February 2016 23: 01
      +7
      Quote: Thought Giant
      The double standard is a favorite horse of Western diplomats, politicians, and media figures.

      "Provocation is a proven means of counter-revolution ...
      But nowhere in the world did the bourgeoisie use this poisoned means
      as brazenly and boundlessly as we have in Russia. "

      (JV Stalin. "The band of provocations" vol. 3 p. 241.)
  4. NIKNN
    NIKNN 28 February 2016 15: 49
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    The air strikes of our Air Force are magically transforming IS militants into "moderate Syrian opposition!" request
  5. Proxima
    Proxima 28 February 2016 16: 00
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    Quote: de Klermon

    The rebel is a fighter for power who has broken the law: he won - a hero, lost - a felon!

    Robert Burns said about this more beautifully: "The rebellion cannot end in luck - otherwise his name is different" (about the revolution).
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 28 February 2016 18: 36
      +1
      Robert Burns said about it more beautifully: "The mutiny cannot end in luck - otherwise his name is different" (about the revolution). ,,
      yes come on, REVOLUTION is a change in the social structure of the state. and everything else is a success or not rebellion.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 28 February 2016 23: 53
      0
      This is said almost 200 years before Burns, in the 1600th year. By the way, in the original it’s not about rebellion, but about betrayal!
      Posted by Sir John Harrington:

      Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason?
      For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.
  6. Skif83
    Skif83 28 February 2016 16: 30
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    Yes, probably the key difference is in what authority declares one or another rebel.
    If power is patriotic, fair to its people, then those who seek to overthrow power by armed means are a rebel.
    And if the government, like the Kiev junta, destroys its people - then the "rebel" is already a fighter for freedom!
    And in general, what is power in our time? Who rules the states? And who is in charge of the rulers of states? And who sets the global "rules of the game", from which the "rulers" then plan, well, just "mental" laws?
    Everything is relative in the modern world, much of the true and material is replaced by virtual, how virtual is the dollar, how virtual are banking and exchange frauds, how conditional power is, probably, in all countries (already!), Because it does not rule, but controls, i.e. rules by order because of ...
    And the rulers (just like that, with a capital letter), who opposed the "ukazyulek", are declared dictators, and their trouble, in my opinion, is that they act in isolation, too liberal towards all kinds of opposition, or to be more precise, “ the fifth column ”, do not create a firm and loyal team, etc.
    Therefore, the Fed owners rule us all! And after all, what is remarkable, each of the founding fathers of these “bohoiz-a-annyh” dynasties at one time, when they criminally earned their capital in a particular country, was simply blundered by those in power, and some, because of their clearly not royal abilities, while in the ass at the same time kissed and planted on his neck ...
    So this is what happens, in opposition to this “vee-e-hushka” - the whole world!
    1. nrex
      nrex 28 February 2016 17: 44
      +6
      Sorry dear, in any case, taking up arms against the legitimate government, this is not an oppositionist, this is a rebel, no matter what power. But a historical assessment of the rebellion or the view of a progressive society can translate from the category of a rebel into the role of a fighter for freedom. Just do not forget, having taken the blood of the enemy, remain a decent person and have a sober head on his shoulders. The blood on the hands has the property of completely cutting off all human morality and values.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 28 February 2016 17: 51
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        Quote: nrex
        But a historical assessment of the rebellion or the view of a progressive society, can transfer from the category of rebel to the role of a fighter for freedom

        From the point of view of a "progressive society" (and who is this, by the way?):

        - Putin is a tyrant and in general the embodiment of evil. Therefore, the rebels from the Russian Federation will be declared "freedom fighters". As it was already in Ukraine. As it already is in Syria.
        - with the same Lukashenko - similarly
        - but the "rebel" American farmers will be declared rebels.

        Somehow laughing
        1. WINovikov
          WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 32
          +1
          Yes, we will soon call truckers rebels. For disagreement to pay money it is not known to whom and for what. Roads are built mainly on state money, and a private company will knock down profits. The same thing with paid parking, with tow trucks. Yes, there are no examples.
          1. creak
            creak 28 February 2016 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: WINovikov
            For disagreement to pay money it is not known to whom and for what.


            Why is this unknown - and does the name Rotenberg tell you anything?
            By the way, ask about the name of the one who received the contract for the construction of the Kerch bridge - the truth may be this is a coincidence ... what
  7. In100gram
    In100gram 28 February 2016 17: 49
    +4
    What is the difference between a revolution and a coup? A revolution is a successful coup. No more differences
    1. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 28 February 2016 18: 12
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      Quote: In100gram
      What is the difference between a revolution and a coup? A revolution is a successful coup. No more differences


      But in vain you are so. Terms should be handled carefully and deliberately. The coup does not change anything in public life, just instead of ruler A, ruler B comes. A revolution is a radical transformation of the social structure, and in a progressive direction. And that is precisely why the French bourgeois and Great October Revolutions are revolutions.
      But what happened in Russia in the 90s, and what is also called a revolution, is the most natural KONTRRevolution)))
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 28 February 2016 18: 34
        +4
        Quote: oxana_iv
        But what happened in Russia in the 90s, and what is also called a revolution, is the most natural counter-revolution.)))


        Hmm ... contradict yourself, dear ...

        Here is your phrase, written a little higher: " revolution is a fundamental transformation of social structure, and in the progressive direction "...

        Those bastards who made this "revolution" also considered and still consider it to be progressive ... They turned it over to the "progressive" side ...

        You see, it all depends on the point of view, what are we talking about ...
        1. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 28 February 2016 19: 15
          +7
          Quote: weksha50


          Those bastards who made this "revolution" also considered and still consider it to be progressive ... They turned it over to the "progressive" side ...

          You see, it all depends on the point of view, what are we talking about ...


          Well, the fact is that the point of view of "reptiles" in this case does not solve anything))) They can sing praises to themselves as much as they like, but the historical reality will not change.
          Although, of course, a lot depends on the point of view. Someone still "hangs" on the theory of free market and democracy, and what to take from them? Let them live in the 18th century, if they are so comfortable.
          And I, for example, reason from the point of view of Marxism, therefore for me the deep crisis of capitalism and the need for a radical transformation of society are obvious. Accordingly, I imagine that there is a movement forward, and that - backward. I will say more: the fact that the counter-revolution took place in the USSR does not at all cancel out historical laws. Not all revolutions were successful on the first try, ce la vie)))
          Therefore, in my opinion, the choice of mankind is not rich: either forward, towards a new society, or self-destruction, and then again the Stone Age.
          1. asiat_61
            asiat_61 28 February 2016 22: 06
            -1
            So, you are the madam of the revolution? Isn’t it enough for one century? My father, a participant in the war, did not wait for your bright future, Yes, and I, apparently too.
            1. oxana_iv
              oxana_iv 29 February 2016 18: 27
              0
              Quote: asiat_61
              So, you are the madam of the revolution? Isn’t it enough for one century? My father, a participant in the war, did not wait for your bright future, Yes, and I, apparently too.


              I understand that you are teasing me, but still I will answer seriously. I'm not a revolutionary because:
              1) I do not see the objective prerequisites for a revolution in Russia. Our life may not be chocolate, but we all have something to lose "except for our chains"))).
              2) I realize that revolutions are not made at the whim of loners, but at the will of the people. Therefore, in the near future I will not get to the barricades and I will not leave children orphans.
              Here is such, excuse me, my burgher position ((((
      2. Erg
        Erg 28 February 2016 22: 03
        -2
        Oksana. We omit your last sentence - everything that you wrote is sheer stupidity. There is only one revolution - the revolution of consciousness. All the rest is the distillation of human meat into loot. hi
        1. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 29 February 2016 18: 50
          +3
          Quote: Erg
          Oksana. We omit your last sentence - everything that you wrote is sheer stupidity. There is only one revolution - the revolution of consciousness. All the rest is the distillation of human meat into loot. hi



          And where do the changes in consciousness come from? By the will of higher powers? Inherent in genetics? Of karmic fluctuations?
          I do not know if you found Soviet times and Soviet people by age? I lived in the USSR at a conscious age, although this was already the time of the Brezhnev decline. But at the same time, Soviet man was radically different from modern homo sapiens! If someone is not in the subject, then just watch the Soviet films, and then try to imagine that person in our time. I'm afraid that most of the heroes of the day would simply end up in a psychiatric hospital (((
          In this regard, I have a question: from what fright did this, excuse the expression, "revolution of consciousness" occur? Maybe we should somehow try to link this degradation with changes in society?
          1. Erg
            Erg 1 March 2016 22: 36
            +1
            You did not understand me. The expression I have given has a continuation. More rigid, making you look at the world real. "The revolution of consciousness", as I understand it (in striving for the light) is a utopia. In our time, for sure. No offense. But I am amused by people who say something about "premises" and "will of the people." There is some kind of purity in them, but at the same time and childlike spontaneity. I really do not want to take off your rose-colored glasses ... But, unfortunately, "revolutions" are carried out by specific individuals (clans) who, without fail, have significant financial resources. And the "will of the people" is an instrument made possible by the deception of the uneducated masses. hi
            1. oxana_iv
              oxana_iv 2 March 2016 17: 34
              0
              Quote: Erg
              You did not understand me. The expression I have given has a continuation. More rigid, making you look at the world real. "The revolution of consciousness", as I understand it (in striving for the light) is a utopia. In our time, for sure. No offense. But I am amused by people who say something about "premises" and "will of the people." There is some kind of purity in them, but at the same time and childlike spontaneity. I really do not want to take off your rose-colored glasses ... But, unfortunately, "revolutions" are carried out by specific individuals (clans) who, without fail, have significant financial resources. And the "will of the people" is an instrument made possible by the deception of the uneducated masses. hi


              I completely agree with you about "our time". Today, I also do not see any prerequisites for a revolution, whatever))) But there are times when a deep crisis of the social order arises, and it is simply impossible to continue living as before. Ripen objective premisesrequiring change. And, in general, it is not so important in what form these changes will occur - like a popular uprising, an external conquest or a peaceful transfer of power.
              But the main idea that I would like to voice is: revolutions cannot occur at the will of one person or group of persons. They are due to historical development and do not happen earlier than the prerequisites for them are ripe.
              As an example: it’s hard to imagine Spartacus fighting for the ideas of the bourgeois revolution, right? But Robespierre is another matter))) And as Robespierre was different from Spartak, so Lenin was different from Robespierre hi
              1. Erg
                Erg 3 March 2016 23: 17
                +1
                Oksana. Spartacus was not defeated by Rome. Money won him over. Crassus's money. If a Roman put his gold in Spartacus, Rome would not have the slightest chance ... Next. The Bolshevik "revolution" is just a screen. Signboard. To conceal the real plan - the plan for the destruction of Russia. Through the destruction of the monarchy. The plan was great, superbly thought out and executed. This is confirmed by the fact that the overwhelming majority of people did not understand that the February and October "revolutions" are one action. Simply, a play in two acts. Both Kerensky and Lenin are one team receiving money from the Fed's "box office". There was also an intermediary (Parvus). Aren't you convinced by the events in Ukraine? The "tutorial" is right in front of you. smile
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 3 March 2016 23: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Erg
                  February and October "revolutions" are one action ... Both Kerensky and Lenin are one team receiving money from the "cash desk" of the Federal Reserve System

                  Nestykovochka: FRS was created on December 23 1913. That is, Lenin is still okay, but they’re financing Kerensky .. well, they just couldn’t request

                  Mention of Germans or angels would be more appropriate.

                  IMHO.
                  1. Erg
                    Erg 4 March 2016 09: 35
                    0
                    Respected. I do not quite understand you. As for the Fed, the year 1913 is the date when bankers received complete independence from any government. But didn't they exist before that? yes
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 4 March 2016 09: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Erg
                    И Kerensky, and Lenin is one team receiving money from the "box office" Fed

                    Quote: Erg
                    As for the Fed, the 1913 year is the date when bankers received complete independence from any government. But didn't they exist before that?

                    Prior to this date, the Fed did not exist. Accordingly, Kerensky, "receiving money from the Fed's cash desk," raises some ... um ... doubts.

                    And in general, the most common chernukha on this topic is "the revolution of 1917 was made on German money".

                    And you see the Fed everywhere stop

                    IMHO, yes yes
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        3. Erg
          Erg 1 March 2016 22: 45
          +1
          And yes. I also happened to live under the USSR. The Biggest, Greatest and Kind Country. yes
  8. Mowgli
    Mowgli 28 February 2016 18: 15
    +6
    What is the difference between a revolution and a coup? A revolution is a successful coup. No more differences


    Not certainly in that way.

    For example, from Wikipedia:
    Etymologically, a “coup” is the same as revolution: lat. revolutio - turn, flip [3]. However, in political history the concept of “revolution” is applied to large-scale and long-term processes (“a profound qualitative change in the development of any phenomena of nature, society or knowledge” [3]), while the “revolution” applies itself to the event of a change of power, the consequences of which are not necessarily revolutionary in scope.

    Well, as an example:

    Failed revolution:
    The Russian revolution of 1905, or the First Russian revolution.

    Failed coup (but not a revolution):
    On June 28 (July 9), 1762, Catherine II, relying on the guards regiments, seized political power (palace coup) and became the autocratic empress of Russia.
  9. Energy
    Energy 28 February 2016 20: 57
    +2
    all revolutions are the change of one ruling elite to another.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 29 February 2016 08: 34
      0
      Then the oprichnina of Ivan Vasilyevich IV was also a "revolution" - a change of the elite - the boyars were massacred, the royal nobility came to power.
  10. PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 28 February 2016 23: 12
    +5
    Quote: In100gram
    What is the difference between a revolution and a coup? A revolution is a successful coup. No more differences

    Sit down, two!

    Revolution (from lat. Revolutio - turn, change) - a way of transition from one socio-political system to another, more progressive, through active actions of the citizens themselves.

    1917 - revolution, 1991 - counter-revolution.

    A coup is a violent overthrow of one ruling elite by another elite without the participation of the masses, however, there are no significant changes in the social and state structure.
  11. Cresta999
    Cresta999 29 February 2016 16: 42
    0
    Yes, you, my friend, to school. Learn a little bit.
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 22
    +3
    If you are silent, you are moderate. If you go out to the square, "political" methods are applied to you (gas, batons, handcuffs, jail, court, distant places and other methods - the list goes on).
  • Blondy
    Blondy 28 February 2016 20: 25
    +3
    Quote: de Klermon
    Almost everyone will explain this to us in most of the former colonies, not to mention the Donbass!

    And why the rebels in the Donbass, and even the rebels - the rebels who won - in Kiev. They were called the junta in the Donbass. In the Donbass, in essence, they are being defended against them.
  • Kostyar
    Kostyar 28 February 2016 20: 29
    +1
    Oppositionist or rebel - what's the difference?

    Yes, in verbiage the West has no equal, you hear one thing and the essence is completely different! Therefore, as Catherine the Great used to say: "You can negotiate with the West, but first you have to go to Him with a dirty boot in the face !!!"
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 28 February 2016 21: 43
    +1
    Quote: de Klermon
    In general, it is true, but there are "buts"! The key difference between these two concepts and the truth is on which side in relation to the law they are!


    If I may, I would also like to write my vision of the difference in this nuance.

    If, for example, there is a certain large country / power / empire where there is no oppression of some ethnic minority, but the rebels in it seek to divide it, then this is absolutely ineffective, and does not lead to some kind of future development, not to mention that it is simply unfair to start the revolution. A natural question arises in the name of what? The answer should be clear, for example, if there was oppression, then a revolution in the name of its end, so that there was development, for example, by breaking away from the empire that "sucked" all the time, now all resources can be put into the country, for its development, for education, for the future and all that. For example, India seceded from Britain, Egypt from France, Latin American countries from Spain, etc.
    But when the purpose of the rebellion is simple anarchy, when there is no cessation of oppression of the people, simply the power passes from the metropolis to the local bandits, when the country has the right to strong, when the development does not just stop and the country rolls back economically, when the local bandits take all power is transferred and the rebellion itself is organized with the help of external forces on their own money, forgive DIVERSION and WAR. This has happened with many countries and is happening now. There is no country separated from the state and has become more developed and richer than before. Small countries, especially those who are in strategic places, sadly, have been prepared all their lives for centuries to be a bargaining chip in the hands of large countries, and when making a revolution one always has to think a hundred times, is it worth changing the price of soap ?!
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 28 February 2016 23: 33
    +1
    The rebel - .... The oppositionist -.....


    If the article is about Syria, then there is nothing to chew on. Because, the supporters of the Caliphate, they are Sunni apostates in the dogma of Islam. For even Salafi equates ghazavat, a war of conquest, with a terrible, unredeemed sin. The "moderate opposition" does not voice their sympathies in any way, for they manipulate the Arab mentality of the strong. They will join the strong, without bothering with dogma or violation of such, inshallah, you know. From that, today, all who are fighting against Assad are supporters of one idea, violence. The Americans simply pulled out more whole pieces from this borscht and painted them in the colors of "moderate opposition". Moreover, these "moderate oppositionists" themselves, if you call them that, will cut your head off, because their names are definite and not at all American.

    Do they understand this in the USA? Mandatory. But they need to somehow share their interests in Syria, since it was not possible to take everything at once. Although in this case it would be necessary to maneuver between the Saudis and the Turks.
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 29 February 2016 09: 18
    0
    So he invites you to choose the right term yourself, instead of "oppositionist", based on his views and preferences.
  • Chera
    Chera 29 February 2016 09: 38
    0
    And the Kiev Maidan coup - is it also an "armed revolt, but in fact an uprising of patriots"? Really patriots?
  • Glad
    Glad 29 February 2016 23: 32
    0
    Quote: de Klermon

    PS Patriotism here cannot be a criterion: any national liberation struggle of the oppressed with the use of violence is in the form of an armed rebellion, but in fact a revolt of patriots! Almost everyone will explain this to us in most of the former colonies, not to mention the Donbass!

    I don’t know how it is about the majority of the former colonies, but here the Donbass in this case is not a suitable example, dear de klermon.
    In Donbass, at the moment, there is no armed rebellion at all. There is resistance to armed rebellion against a legally elected government. The rebels there are not from the oppressed, but from the oppressors, and these rebels represent not Donbass militias at all, but the so-called "Ukrainian Armed Forces" and Nazi punitive battalions formed by the rebellious oligarchs.
    "In such an acceptance" (C)
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 28 February 2016 15: 36
    16
    Quote: seti
    Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.

    The fact that he is a competent person is undeniable, but yesterday at his official page in Odnkl. there were articles and calls to vote in the elections for his party, what didn’t like?
    1. Pouring mud over all opponents in the style of the yellow press, everyone is bad around, but we are fluffy bunnies. (Although behind each batch there is capital and finances, which he branded for nothing).
    2. For all articles, comments were almost immediately disabled.
    No question asked, and no answer heard request
    Well, it's kind of dirty, yesterday's event disappointed me. Pushed me personally. (((((
    1. _my opinion
      _my opinion 28 February 2016 16: 38
      +3
      Quote: Sirocco
      Quote: seti
      Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.

      The fact that he is a competent person is undeniable, but yesterday at his official page in Odnkl. there were articles and calls to vote in the elections for his party, what didn’t like?
      1. Pouring mud over all opponents in the style of the yellow press, everyone is bad around, but we are fluffy bunnies. (Although behind each batch there is capital and finances, which he branded for nothing).
      2. For all articles, comments were almost immediately disabled.
      No question asked, and no answer heard request
      Well, it's kind of dirty, yesterday's event disappointed me. Pushed me personally. (((((

      I don't know about the "classmates" (I haven't been there for a long time), but on Starikov's website, you can write a comment for any article ...
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 28 February 2016 16: 55
      +3
      The rebel is an enemy of the state, the opposition is a guardian of the welfare of the state, but with a point of view different from the ruling forces.
      1. zennon
        zennon 28 February 2016 18: 22
        +2
        Quote: Penelope
        The rebel is an enemy of the state, the opposition is a guardian of the welfare of the state, but with a point of view different from the ruling forces.

        It's not so simple, unfortunately. Syria really has influential and numerous forces that, for various reasons, hate Assad. To begin with, Assad is by no means white and fluffy. Back in 2011, Syria was, if not prosperous, then quite Over time, primarily at the concessional level, friction appeared. Assad and many of his Baath-Alawite parties. The majority of the population are Sunites. Not a few Shiites. There are Christians, and so on. Assad did not find anything better than to try to overcome the friction that arose. fire and sword! It was necessary to negotiate! And he put his authority above the interests of the country and plunged it into civil war. The trouble is that we really have to support him, because he is the only legitimate president. His removal will cause chaos and simply blow up Syria. Then you can simply put an end to it, as on a sovereign, united country! Our leadership did not foolishly reason that a terrible end is better than endless horror. But this is our weakness! The whole world puts us in guilt at the encouragement of the tyrant. By supporting Assad, we became very vulnerable. Judge for yourself, we say that there are many groups inside Syria that hate Assad and wage war against him. And some of them are really inveterate criminals. Some are just scum fighting for the Islamic Caliphate, living by the laws of the wildest Middle Ages. But at the same time, Assad himself publicly supports Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, recognized as terrorist organizations in a number of countries around the world. Provides them with logistical support. This is the root of his enmity with Israel and mattress. On May 7, 2002, the US administration included Syria in the "axis of evil." According to the information provided by K. Kapitonov, before the war in Iraq in 2003, Syria participated, bypassing the UN Security Council ban, in supplying weapons to Saddam Hussein's regime, while Syria itself has influential groups for which Assad, ISIS and al-Nusra (branch al-Qaeda in Syria and Libya) -Enemies. How to deal with them? In fact, it's even worse! Many small purely criminal groups mimic "ideological" groups, but are simply bandits. Something like our ex in the 90s "Orekhovskaya" or "Solntsevskaya". Moreover, some of them enter into temporary alliances with each other. It turns out that some admitted by all oppositionists are friends and support outright bandits. How to distinguish them all?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 February 2016 19: 02
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          Assad did not find anything better than to try to catch the friction that arose with fire and a sword.

          And it was necessary to follow the example of Yanukovych?
          Quote: zennon
          The whole world blames us for tyrant promotion

          So, in their opinion, tyranny, as it were, is with us.
          1. zennon
            zennon 28 February 2016 19: 09
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            And it was necessary to follow the example of Yanukovych?

            Can you read? Chorny written in Russian:
            ! It was necessary to negotiate! And he put his authority above the interests of the country and plunged it into a civil war

            Quote: Dart2027
            So, in their opinion, tyranny, as it were, is with us.

            This is in whose opinion? Give a link. Magazines can say anything. Which of the heads of state speaks of tyranny ?!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 28 February 2016 19: 26
              +2
              Quote: zennon
              Can you read?

              I can. Do you know the history of the "Arab Spring"? It makes no sense in principle to negotiate with those who were specially sent to destroy Syria.
              Quote: zennon
              Magazines can say anything. Which of the heads of state speaks of tyranny ?!

              Heads of state cannot say much, simply because they are heads of state.
              1. zennon
                zennon 28 February 2016 19: 57
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                It is, in principle, pointless to negotiate with those whom they specifically sent for the destruction of Syria.

                And no one offers to negotiate with them. Or rather, our VKS are now "negotiating" with them. The conversation about the citizens of Syria who do not agree with Assad. The Sunite majority for example. For them ISIS is the same enemy. The fact is that there is no absolute justice and refined Truth. Diplomacy is the art of the possible. It is necessary to seek compromises that take into account the interests of all non-criminal, if you will, not terrorist groups. This is difficult. It requires a great mind and unparalleled talent. Bashar, unlike his father Hafez, does not have anything. He thought he would decide the question is cardinal. Solved ...
                According to the FBI, at least 10 European citizens detained during the Syrian civil war were tortured by the Assad regime.

                The use of "barrel bombs" by the Syrian Air Force against areas inhabited by Sunites has been proven.
                A 2015 Syrian human rights network report said that 49 of the 56 large-scale massacres that have obvious features of “sectarian or ethnic cleansing” were carried out by the Assad regime. In March 2015, a report published by Doctors for Human Rights confirmed that the Assad regime is responsible for the vast majority of the 600 medical workers killed since the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War. 88% of registered attacks on hospitals and 97% of killings of medical personnel were attributed to Assad’s forces.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Heads of state cannot say much, simply because they are heads of state.

                Well, if you refer to the opinion of the grandmother at the entrance, then I have nothing to object to.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 28 February 2016 20: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: zennon
                  Sunni majority for example
                  The fact that the Sunni majority is fighting there is constantly said by representatives of the United States.
                  Quote: zennon
                  The use of "barrel bombs" by the Syrian Air Force against areas inhabited by Sunites has been proven.
                  Proved by whom? During the hostilities, there may be different cases, but I don’t remember that Assad’s order to bomb the Sunnis appeared anywhere. And the "Syrian Human Rights Network" is already counting the "victims" of our pilots. This is not surprising, because she works for the curators of ISIS.
                  Quote: zennon
                  Well, if you refer to the opinion of the grandmother at the entrance, then I have nothing to object to.

                  That is, essentially nothing to argue?
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 28 February 2016 20: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    The fact that the Sunni majority is fighting there is constantly said by representatives of the United States.

                    And if they say so in the USA, then it’s a lie? I’ll disappoint you. So does Evgeny Satanovsky. President of the Institute of the Middle East (former Institute for the Study of Israel and the Middle East) Research Center.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Who is proven?

                    Jeremy Bowen, a BBC reporter spent 8 months in Syria. He interviewed hundreds of people, both supporters and opponents of Assad, including the military. In addition, there is the "World Report 2015. Syria."
                    https://www.hrw.org/ru/world-report/2015/country-chapters/268202
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, essentially nothing to argue?

                    Well, if your granny interviewers are at the porches, then this is a killer argument ... laughing
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 28 February 2016 21: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: zennon
                      Evgeny Satanovsky also says the same.

                      With those Sunnis who do not like the actions of Russia, we are at war with Afghanistan. In Chechnya, we fought with them, in Dagestan. These are the people who cut off the heads of our soldiers. It would be ridiculous to focus on whether Russia's image will suffer in the eyes of the enemy or not. The survey you mentioned shows that the ideology of the Salafi state of Saudi Arabia is 100 percent the ideology of the Islamic State. ... Besides oh how many moderate Sunnis are ready to fight with this medieval beast. Even on Assad’s side, many Sunnis are fighting who want Syria to remain secular.
                      https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/10/13/satanovskyonsyria/
                      He makes a distinction between the bandits created by the United States and their creatures and normal people, and does not attribute the religious war to the war in Syria.
                      Quote: zennon
                      Jeremy Bowen, BBC reporter spent 8 months in Syria. He interviewed hundreds of people, both supporters and opponents of Assad, including the military. In addition, there is the "World Report 2015. Syria"
                      Simply put, the "independent and democratic" American press. As far as I remember, the Air Force in 2011 showed the riots in Greece passing them off as "an uprising against Putin." Authoritative source.
                      Quote: zennon
                      Well, if your interviewer’s grandmother is not at the entrance,
                      Please show me where I referred to them?
                    2. zennon
                      zennon 28 February 2016 22: 12
                      -2
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      With those Sunnis who do not like the actions of Russia, we are at war with Afghanistan.

                      No, not with those. I wrote clearly and clearly
                      Quote: zennon
                      And no one offers to negotiate with them. Or rather, our VKS are "negotiating" with them now.

                      Instead of discussing the issue constructively, you "do not notice" those things that do not fit into the chain of your reasoning. This does not command respect. How long can you write that the need to destroy terrorist groups is obvious? But the overwhelming majority are Sunite terrorists. This is true. .How is it true that not all Sunites are terrorists! That is the whole question, how to filter them?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Simply put, the "independent and democratic" American press.

                      You see, you are falling into a logical trap. You triumphantly say, "aha, a Western source means a lie !!!". The trouble is that you are ready to eat truth only what corresponds to your ideas about the truth. That is, you are not sinful. "A flawed position. What about Assad, pay attention to the fact that neither Putin, nor Lavrov, nor Zakharova or any of our officials even tried to say anything to justify Assad. FOR MANY YEARS.NEVER!The fact that Assad is a butcher is obvious to everyone. The trouble is that we really need to cooperate with him, just to prevent chaos in Syria. He is the legitimate head of state. The trouble is that the shadow of his art falls on us! This makes us vulnerable and provokes the frenzied criticism that we see in the Western media. Our reputation suffers because of it!
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Please show me where I referred to them?

                      It was like this: I wrote
                      Well, if you refer to the opinion of the grandmother at the entrance, then I have nothing to object to.

                      You didn’t bother with this. You answered:
                      That is, essentially nothing to argue?

                      I wrote:
                      Well, if your interviewer’s grandmother is not at the entrance,

                      And now you are interested in:
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Please show me where I referred to them?

                      I’m referring to specific sources, but you didn’t provide any authoritative source.
                    3. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 28 February 2016 22: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: zennon
                      But the vast majority are Sunni terrorists. This is true. How true is that not all Sunnis are terrorists! That's the whole question, how to filter them?
                      So do you yourself decide who is there - the terrorists gathered there from all over the world or the Syrian Sunnis? Zombie fanatics and just gangsters go to Syria, and you are trying to talk about some kind of internal disagreement. Filtering is simple - an armed person attacking government officials, robbing civilians and committing other similar acts is a terrorist.
                      Quote: zennon
                      You didn’t bother with this. You answered:

                      Replied. Because you dragged some grandmothers:
                      Quote: zennon
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Heads of state cannot say much, simply because they are heads of state.
                      Well, if you refer to the opinion of the grandmother at the entrance, then I have nothing to object to.

                      In order to know that politicians say what they can say, because they are politicians and any statement they make is not just a concussion; no top-secret sources are needed.
                    4. zennon
                      zennon 28 February 2016 23: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      So do you yourself decide who is there - the terrorists gathered there from all over the world or the Syrian Sunnis?

                      One does not interfere with the other. The majority of the population of Syria are Sunites. Terrorists from all over the world are Sunites. What will be determined? The Shiites do not speak about the Caliphate. Alawites, all the more. Explaining the last time, the terrorists are Sunites. Not all Sunites are terrorists! Some of the Syrians support ISIS. , part of al-Nusra (this is al-Qaeda). ISIS stands for the Caliphate. But even most of the Syrians hate terrorists. It does not matter al-Nusra or ISIS. But many of them (not all) and against Assad. Mattress makers call them a moderate opposition . Assad is supported by the Alawites, some are not a large part of the Sunnis, and he is finally trying to come to an agreement with the Kurds. Plus a great many small mimicking criminal groups acting without regard to religion. About disobedience to the representatives of the authorities, Assad's opponents cannot forgive him the bombing of residential areas, pogroms and terror against the opposition. Understand, he is a butcher! His father was much smarter. Nature on his son a good rest zero!
                      Honestly, I don’t want more. “Barcelona” with “Sevilla” are playing 2-1 already. I really want to see!
                    5. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 29 February 2016 07: 49
                      0
                      Quote: zennon
                      Assad is supported by the Alawites, part of not a large part of the Sunnis, and he is finally trying to negotiate with the Kurds.
                      If most of the Syrian Sunnis did not support Assad, then he would not have lasted so much. I don’t remember any problems with Kurds in Syria - neither before the war, nor during.
                      Quote: zennon
                      Assad’s opponents cannot forgive him for the bombing of residential areas, pogroms and terror against the opposition
                      about which they were told by the "truthful" Air Force.
            2. udincev
              udincev 28 February 2016 23: 38
              +1
              Quote: zennon
              , BBC reporter spent 8 months in Syria. He interviewed hundreds of people, both supporters and opponents of Assad, including the military. In addition, there is the "World Report 2015. Syria"

              Here are the iron arguments! lol
              Jeremy Bowen may spend decades in Syria and interview thousands of popes and mari teresis, but the BBC has an "editorial policy."
              Not familiar with coverage of events in Ukraine (in particular, about Boeing in the Donbass) !?
              I looked at the second muddy spring. There is a report about Russia:
              In January 2014, Dozhd TV, one of the few independent television stations in Russia, lost access to cable and satellite television after it sent in to question viewers about whether the USSR should have surrendered Leningrad during World War II in order to save lives.
              \ auto-translator, but it’s clear what and how it is \
              That's it like that ...
              A sign of darling ...?
        2. WINovikov
          WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 42
          +2
          We know how to negotiate. In Minsk we "agreed" and "we will agree" for Syria.
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 29 February 2016 06: 35
          0
          Quote: zennon
          The use of "barrel bombs" by the Syrian Air Force against areas inhabited by Sunites has been proven.
          - laughing laughing laughing I also read the day before yesterday the reports of these organizations that the Russian Aerospace Forces bombed not with barrel, but with all kinds of OFABs of the same peaceful quarters. I expect assurances from you: "The use of the Russian Aerospace Forces OFABs against the quarters inhabited by civilians has been proven."
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 39
    +1
    So, in their opinion, tyranny, as it were, is with us.
    Do you disagree?
    1. zennon
      zennon 28 February 2016 21: 08
      0
      Quote: WINovikov
      So, in their opinion, tyranny, as it were, is with us.
      Do you disagree?

      Their is who?
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 38
    0
    It is necessary to distinguish with the help of SU and "Solntsepekov".
  • Conrad
    Conrad 2 March 2016 08: 50
    0
    Quote: zennon
    and TD Assad did not find anything better than trying to suppress the friction that arose with fire and sword! It was necessary to negotiate! And he placed his authority above the interests of the country and plunged it into a civil war.

    How interesting!!! But President V.F.Yanukovych NOT
    Quote: zennon
    placed his authority above the interests of the country

    and imagine
    Quote: zennon
    plunged her into a civil war

    Who is wrong ??? !!!
  • weksha50
    weksha50 28 February 2016 18: 42
    +3
    Quote: Penelope
    The rebel is an enemy of the state, the opposition is a guardian of the welfare of the state, but with a point of view different from the ruling forces



    That seems to be said by you both capaciously and clearly ...

    But I just can’t agree with the fact that Nemtsov and his followers cherished and cherished the welfare of the state, and - especially - the people living in it ...
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 28 February 2016 19: 22
      +4
      Nemtsov, Navalny and all their brothers are rebels, hiding behind the term "oppositionists", they have already staged a mutiny once, remember the events on Bolotnaya, they feed on the State Department's pen, so a rebel is not necessarily an individual armed to the teeth, shooting at anything and everything. The above-mentioned gentlemen are doing everything so that Right Sectors walk through our streets and do the same thing that is happening now in Ukraine.
      1. WINovikov
        WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 45
        0
        Only our "oppositionists" walk along the Bolotnye, and do not cut down the forest in sunny Magadan.
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 28 February 2016 22: 14
    +2
    Spy or Scout? So the rebel and the opposition, From which belfry to watch, or the minaret.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 28 February 2016 18: 39
    +3
    Quote: Sirocco
    Well, it's kind of dirty, yesterday's event disappointed me. It pushed me personally.


    However, politics, my friend ... And she was always dirty ...

    Note - as soon as a seemingly respected person begins to create his party, he somewhat changes the tone of his "singing" ... And all because he "sings" already from someone else's voice, under the dictation of the one who gives finances for the development and existence of this "parties" ...

    I sometimes want to ask a question to any to the leader of the parties existing in Russia: "At whose expense you are not begging, fighters for the people's happiness ???" ...
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 28 February 2016 20: 46
      +1
      Especially the Liberal Democratic Party and the Communist Party. Very, very poor.
  • Finches
    Finches 28 February 2016 15: 49
    +2
    The technology of destruction of society described by Joseph Overton helps to legalize any, even the seemingly most insane and fantastic idea at the moment! Western political strategists have understood this for a long time and are successfully using it to implement their ideas. From small things in everyday life: "Advertising is the engine of progress!", Forcing us to buy absolutely unnecessary things to us, to the massive implantation of multiculturalism, when a huge number of people think that same-sex love is natural, and marriage between a man and a woman is a perversion. ..Therefore, the oppositionist and the rebel, by and large, are one and the same person - depending on which Overton window is viewed through! This type of activist always carries initially the idea of ​​destruction - one with the help of words and propaganda, the second, with the help of weapons and most importantly, none of them wants and will not seek a compromise with the current government, since there is nothing to improve in their plans. There is only one goal - to take power!
    1. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 28 February 2016 18: 22
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      ... none of them wants and will not seek a compromise with the current government, since there is no improvement in their plans. The goal is only one - to take power!


      Yes, and yes again !!! Considering the opposition rebels, revolutionaries, reformers and others, it is always worth asking yourself the question: "What are they trying to achieve, what is their goal?" And, unfortunately, in most cases it turns out that they deeply do not care about the fate of the country, the people, and the whole world, and the main goal-setting is to eat more cookies in one or another material equivalent.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 28 February 2016 16: 02
    +3
    In the West, lies lie lies and drives a lie. This has already become their essence. It is amazing how impudently, strongly and skillfully a lie is imposed on the whole world, which only has to pour out one earthen spoon of teaspoon of an hour with which they generously water everyone ... I will not save. Locusts are flying in clouds, but here and there a couple of people with nets are trying to stop these hordes and lime ... It's for now. What will happen next? I can not predict.

    The goal is to crush and crush everything and everything. So that then quietly peacefully for your own pleasure to rule ... Russia and China are still holding, the last two islands ...
    1. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 28 February 2016 18: 26
      -1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      In the West lies a lie on lies and drives a lie .....
      ... Russia and China are still holding, the last two islands ...



      Oh, that is, do you believe everything that Russian propaganda presents? The first channel of TV and others like it broadcast the truth, and nothing but the truth?
      Sadness ...
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 28 February 2016 16: 04
    0
    As Kozma Prutkov said: you’ll penetrate into the essence of a thing, if you call it right. And vice versa: if you understand the essence of the name, you will understand what the one who gives it wants to achieve.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 February 2016 16: 11
      +1
      He talked a lot more, for example:
      In the summer, under the shadow of acacia
      It's nice to dream of a deployment.
  • lelikas
    lelikas 28 February 2016 17: 18
    -2
    Quote: seti
    Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.

    Only Tukhachevsky did not like it - they say that the monster poisoned half the country with gas! But in fact - and the men who staged a whole uprising, not just sat in the forest, but dabbled in robberies with robbery, and with gases, in general, the crap turned out -
    In reality, only one attempt was made to conduct a full-fledged gas attack. It was an operation to clean up the Parevsky forest of rebels, which took place from August 1 to 10, 1921.

    At the very beginning of the operation, on August 2, 1921, the red artillery fired 59 chemical shells on the island of Suchie Dubki, where, according to the information available to the Soviet command, the leader of the rebel Antonov was hiding. After that, the Soviet units combed the island. The only thing they found there was three horses tied to trees.

    Either the Antonovites managed to get out of the shelling, or they were not there at all on the island, but the rebels did not suffer any losses from this bombardment. The only trophies of the Reds were these horses, by the way, successfully survived the "gas attack". This is not surprising: in order to create a toxic cloud of the required concentration, 59 chemical shells were not enough.

    In addition to this unsuccessful attempt to “smoke bandits” from the forest, two more cases of spontaneous use of red chemical shells in the fight against Tambov rebels were recorded.

    The first episode occurred on the night of July 12-13, 1921 in a battle with the Antonovites near the village of Smolnaya Vershina. Parts of the Red Army fired 15 chemical shells at the enemy. The reason for firing chemical shells, most likely, was the curiosity of the red gunners: they wanted to see how effective the new ammunition was. The result of this shooting was zero - to create a deadly cloud, it was necessary to release tens of times more shells.

    A similar situation was in the second case. On July 14, 1921, a horse-drawn battery fired at a forest south of Lake Ilmen. 50 chemical shells were fired in the forest. It can be asserted almost certainly that the specified shelling did not bring any results - since this fact was not considered necessary even to be recorded in operational reports, where information was recorded about all at least any significant military operations.

    Thus, in the entire history of the suppression of the Tambov uprising, only three cases of gas use by the red forces can be counted. In all these cases, the result of this use was zero: the rebels did not suffer any losses from gas attacks.

    Using the logic of Nikolai Viktorovich himself, ordinary shells can and should, but with chemical shells, it is impossible.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 28 February 2016 17: 34
      +5
      The point is not whether the use of chemical charges was useful or not. By itself, using chemistry is a war crime. This is not the Germans in the trenches.
    2. nrex
      nrex 28 February 2016 17: 55
      +6
      In fact, did the men defend their goods, which they had grown with their own hands and their unwillingness to go to the collective farm and the surplus appraisal deserved the gas poisoning? And how do you, dear, look if you and my comrades decide to take all your property from you? You should read the story well and put yourself in the place of those who do not agree, and if it doesn’t reach again. So, this, we will come to you with the comrades to dispossess. We in Chukotka and in the North need free labor. ))) And at the stage I will remind about Tukhachevsky.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 28 February 2016 18: 05
        +2
        Quote: nrex
        In fact, did the men defend their goods, which they had grown with their own hands and their unwillingness to go to the collective farm and the surplus appraisal deserved the gas poisoning? And how do you, dear, look if you and my comrades decide to take all your property from you? You should read the story well and put yourself in the place of those who do not agree, and if it doesn’t reach again. So, this, we will come to you with the comrades to dispossess. We in Chukotka and in the North need free labor. ))) And at the stage I will remind about Tukhachevsky.

        Scare me, who lived 16 years in Pevek and 2 years in the Murmansk region of Chukotka! Epic Wines! Once again, I will return to myself and Starikov’s logic - was it normal to shoot them with simple shells?
        ZY - come - meet - there will be enough land in the Leningrad region for everyone. wink
        1. Mengsk
          Mengsk 28 February 2016 20: 43
          +1
          We are not democrats, in general, we do not care.
          Only this topic needs to be clearly understood:
          This is not a secret, of course, not a secret,
          We now have a long time Volodka and Medved.

          (C)

          On the subject: any person or community that can pose a real threat to the Kremlin will be recognized as a rebel. No more no less. The modern "Russian opposition", with a few exceptions, is either a "poster" fed by the Kremlin, or a bunch of grant-eaters who are completely compromised by foreigners. And those, and other dangers do not represent. Moreover, the government has already made a head start, and for twenty years has formed a powerful image in the eyes of Russians - any politician, any person who goes into politics is a thief and a wasteful. The "opposition" is the same thieves and embezzlers, only without access to the budget and deprived of power. By and large, it seems to me that this is true - or in my head this template is, in principle, too tenacious. However, it should be noted that the Kremlin is in no hurry to get rid of compromised persons, perhaps only some minor figures. I can cite as an example Medvedev's wife, who, on a clear day, earned herself on her "jewelry" and had nothing to do with her husband's status, and the same Peskov, with a watch costing the budget of a separate region, which, of course, was presented to him by the bride for honestly earned hard everyday work money. Only the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church look funnier, periodically mutilating (or killing) people with sports cars. Sports cars, if anyone is not in the know, God sent through DHL.
        2. Erg
          Erg 28 February 2016 22: 24
          0
          Lelikas. You are an empty balabol. Sorry for the plain text. nrex set everything right for you, and you? .. No need to monkey-play. At least have a little respect for yourself and your opponents. hi
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 29 February 2016 01: 40
            0
            Quote: Erg
            Lelikas. You are an empty balabol. Sorry for the plain text. nrex set everything right for you, and you? .. No need to monkey-play. At least have a little respect for yourself and your opponents.

            And why, he told me such a correct one, except for ridiculous allegories with dispossession and his imaginary friends?
            Alas, not a lot of people deserve my respect, alas, you and I are not among them.
            But so be it, for the gifted - I will write again, more slowly and clearly, for the victims of the ege - Tukhachevsky fought with the rebels - this time.
            In the 20th year, chemical weapons were no different from ordinary ones, to whom it was not clear - we google about the Geneva Protocol and look at the dates - these are two.
            In fact - no one died from its use - these are three.
            In fact, the rebels were the very "moderate opposition" against which the author of the article opposes, and you pulled yourself up a lot - in the end you contradict yourself - that's four.
            There are also five and six, but we, balabol, in front of anyone we will not crucify. hi
    3. Warrior Hamilton
      Warrior Hamilton 29 February 2016 15: 02
      +1
      The partisan movement in the Tambov region was organized so competently that up to 55 thousand soldiers of the Red Army had to be used against them: 37,5 thousand bayonets, 10 thousand sabers, as well as 7 thousand servicemen as part of nine artillery brigades; 5 armored detachments, 4 armored trains, 6 armored vehicles, 2 air squadrons, cadets of the Moscow and Oryol infantry and Borisoglebsk cavalry courses (I.P. Dontsov Antonovshchina: plans and reality of 1977) Tukhachevsky received the order to destroy the mutiny within a month and did not disdain the means. The Tambov wolves organized caches in the forests, where they hid from pursuit. Most likely, chemistry was used for this. You don't need shells for this, a small glass ampoule thrown into the pit is enough. Yes .... After the "Warsaw campaign" - it was a triumph. Here are the names of the great Russian commanders who destroyed this counter-revolutionary hydra: Representative of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Antonov-Ovseenko, on April 27, 1921, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) appointed M.N. Tukhachevsky as commander of the Tambov province, I.P. Uborevich as his deputy, and chief of staff - N.E. Kakurina. GI Kotovsky was also sent to the Tambov region, GG Yagoda and VV Ulrikh were sent from the Cheka. Tukhachevsky received a directive to liquidate the Tambov uprising no later than within a month. To our great regret, the Russian patriot and revolutionary Mishka Yaponchik did not participate in the battles for the liberation of the Tambov region. rested in Bose two years earlier.
  • meriem1
    meriem1 29 February 2016 00: 07
    0
    Quote: seti
    Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.

    True Russian Germans say. Das ist I'm stupidly standing next
  • guzik007
    guzik007 29 February 2016 08: 00
    0
    Very sensible and point to point.
    ----------------------------------
    Of course, I respect Starikov. But why juggle for the sake of conjuncture ?:

    ------------------------
    The term "opposition" is false, in relation to those who are fighting with arms against legitimate authority. This is not the "opposition" - it is the rebels.
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Then
    F. Castro and Garibaldi and the October Revolution automatically fall under this rubric. Each government interprets in its own way. Say, Castro fought against oppression, capitalism and other blah blah blah? And if, God forbid, what thread of the Tambov region beggar will take the pitchfork, who will they be? correct-rebels. Unlike the fiery sailors from the cruiser "Ochakov" praised by historians.
    So, the winners write and rewrite the rules and history. And here you will not find the truth.
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert 29 February 2016 22: 53
    0
    Now they are throwing minuses to me - but the truth is more expensive - to teach children in London (as Starikov does) is an integral sign of the true patriots of Russia?
    Or is it a sign of those who are patriots "for money"?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 29 February 2016 23: 04
      0
      Quote: antiexpert
      to teach children in London (as Starikov does)

      Are they in London?
  • olegfbi
    olegfbi 28 February 2016 15: 26
    -1
    Opposition are those who, using the political field, using the appropriate legal methods, wage a POLITICAL struggle for their political goals

    Absolutely right! I respect Starikov!
    I’ll add from myself that the Oppositionist differs from the rebel mainly in that the Oppositionist is REALLY SICK for his country and wishes it prosperity! The rebel doesn't give a damn about everything; he pursues his own goals exclusively.
    1. de klermon
      de klermon 28 February 2016 15: 50
      +6
      Unfortunately, you can’t agree with you: here is Bogdan Khmelnitsky - a rebel, rebel and bloody murderer of lords and ladies, a traitor to the king and the kingdom, but ... this is for the Poles! And for us - a victim of the bloody Polish terror against the Orthodox, a hero who raised the people of South-West Russia to the national liberation armed struggle, tormented by bloody repression!
      Khmelnytsky raised, held a rebellion, called for the Russian Tsar and ... There was a victory, there was a Pereyaslav Rada, there were more than 450 years of common history! And you think that Khmelnitsky was just an egoist, a crook and a self-lover?
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 28 February 2016 16: 10
        +3
        Khmelnytsky raised, held a rebellion, called for the Russian Tsar and ... There was a victory, there was a Pereyaslav Rada, there were more than 450 years of common history! And you think that Khmelnitsky was just an egoist, a crook and a self-lover?
        HE IS A REVOLUTIONARY LEADER, HIS HIS REVOLUTION AGAINST THE POLES WINS. but if the pans had caught Khmelnitsky BEFORE Ukraine joined Russia, then he would undoubtedly have become a rebel.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 28 February 2016 18: 02
      +9
      Quote: olegfbi
      The Oppositionist differs from the rebel mainly in that the Oppositionist is really SICK for his country and wishes it prosperity.

      Do you seriously think that the oppositionist Khodorkovsky (doesn’t he take up arms in his hands?) Really supports the country? Does he wish us prosperity? I can still think about Zyuganov or Zhirinovsky, but ZK Khodorkovsky (or Navalny) ....
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 28 February 2016 18: 34
        +2
        And the wrong "oppositionist" Kasyanov 2%, Navalny, Kasparov? Something is tormenting me with vague doubts about their "disinterested" love for the country. True, unlike Khodor, who stole decently, the degree of "love" for the Motherland of these "oppositionists" directly depends on the size of the grandee received at the embassy of the nth state ..
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 28 February 2016 20: 45
      +5
      Quote: olegfbi
      The oppositionist is really SICK for his country and wishes it prosperity! The rebel doesn't give a damn about everything; he pursues his own goals exclusively.

      Let's move on from philosophical verbiage to the realities of today:
      Who is oppositionist in Russia? The political opposition in Russia is various political parties, movements and other associations of citizens who disagree with the actions of the authorities in Russia and advocate for their change. In recent years, the opposition has made several attempts to unite: within the framework of the Other Russia coalition, the creation of larger organizations in ideological areas (liberal - PARNAS, left - "Left Front", radical nationalist - NPF "Pamyat"), as well as rallies for fair elections. In October 2012, an election of the Coordinating Council was held. Kasparov, Kasyanov, Ryzhkov, Yashin, Borovoy, Navalny, Gudkov. They really root for their country and wish it prosperity ??? Or use liberal concepts to cover up their anti-state activities ???
      Rebel - Rebellion is a group armed uprising against the current government. Criminally punishable crime (according to Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) Organization of armed rebellion or active participation in it in order to overthrow the government, and GRU KVACHKOV, who was accused of organizing an armed rebellion and given 13 years as a rebel? The deaths of the generals: Cygnus, Rokhlin, Troshev is that a suspicion of organizing a rebellion? According to your words, they didn’t give a damn and they pursued purely personal goals.
      No, "father" in modern Russia, the line is erased !!!
      Russia has always dealt with an EXTERNAL enemy and suffered defeat from an internal one. 1917, 1991-93 were examples. It is necessary to press this "opposition" until it is LATE!
  • Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov 28 February 2016 15: 30
    +5
    The United States just simply realized that it was a complete fiasco of its policy in the Middle East !! And most importantly, the whole world sees it !! So they sprinkle poison into everything that helps the Syrians to end this war ... this proves the state Department's behavior, the expression "shut up" ... this is the extreme degree of irritation of the Pin..Dosovsky cattle .. and the "opposition" is all just an excuse !!
    1. sergv
      sergv 28 February 2016 17: 14
      0
      Well, if you raked the United States, then this is not a victory, but another setup, the world backstage, which always hides behind the warring parties, should be raked off ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 February 2016 15: 34
    18
    - How do you distinguish between ordinary terrorists and moderate ones during the bombing in Syria?
    The girl switched me to the duty officer, who very politely explained:
    - Even before the start of the military operation in Syria, a decisive decision was made at the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision is our traditional desire for Russia to strictly abide by the principles of legality and justice. So now, all of our ammunition is divided into two categories - ordinary and moderate. Against ordinary terrorists, we use exclusively conventional ammunition. And against moderate terrorists, we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take into account the moderation of some of the terrorists and treat them fairly.
    After these words, it became much easier for me. But I still clarified:
    “Do you really use mild ammunition against moderate terrorists, is that true ?!”
    The interlocutor replied:
    - The word of the Russian officer!
    I felt very good. To bring final clarity, I asked:
    - Tell me, how much do your conventional ammunition differ from the moderate ones?
    “Our conventional ammunition differs from moderate ammunition, just as much as ordinary terrorists in Syria, differ from moderate terrorists, they are painted with a different paint, in lighter and more moderate colors,” the officer answered and hung up.
    1. Kite
      Kite 28 February 2016 16: 02
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      laughing ..... the officer answered and hung up.

      - We have good officers, they explain intelligently!
      in every country there are opposition groups, parties, but where are oppositionists storming not tribunes, but cities? I would wish those who came up with the "moderate opposition" to see its methods of "political struggle" in their cities. To learn to think without misinterpretations, to speak honestly without lies and thoughts to present correctly, in good faith, and not according to the calculation of benefits.
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 28 February 2016 15: 44
    +3
    And how to distinguish between a scout or a spy? If for amers we need a positioner, then we do not need a rebel ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 February 2016 15: 47
    +1
    If the West changes horses all the time at the crossing, it means that it’s just as easy to change terms and concepts that are understandable only to a handful that sort of decides something. Of course, you need to understand everything that happens, but everything is amorphous, fluid and variable. hand on the pulse and act on the situation and affairs. And even better, take the reins in your own hands, then diplomacy will be ours. Don’t call the opposition, and the goal still doesn’t change. And Russia, this goal is not acceptable.
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 28 February 2016 15: 50
    +1
    Shoot both, let in heaven understand who is who am
  • Karabin
    Karabin 28 February 2016 15: 51
    +6
    The adoption of Western terms carries a certain threat. You agreed with the term "Stalinist repression", and you already

    They agreed that Poroshenko was the legitimate president, and now in Russian Kiev, Novorossiya and Little Russia, not a junta, not a petro-peter-Bandera, but partners.
    Agreed to the courts on Yukos, kindly fork out for 50 billion green rubles.
    Agreed to the WTO, do not make yourself fake defenders of your own production.
    But back to the "moderate opposition." If you agree to the use of this term, then you automatically agree

    Already agree. And this is presented in our media as the victory of Lavrov's diplomacy and the wisdom of Putin, although six months ago, "What kind of opposition?" “Where is the SSA? I can't see it at point-blank range” our brutal politicians asked sarcastically. - echoed them the patriotic internet pop. So this is it. And the lists appeared. And even exchanged them.
    Therefore, the correct position in negotiations with the West will be as follows.

    Syria is a sovereign state,
    You can say anything. But when the right to vote for those who shot and detonated is recognized, what sovereignty is here. And rely on the fact that
    they will lay down their arms and from the category of "rebels" will really go into the category of "opposition".
    top of naivety.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 28 February 2016 17: 39
      +2
      In porridge laughing

      Quote: Karabin
      Agreed that Poroshenko is the legitimate president

      - legitimate, Karl. Endowed with the confidence of the people. No more. The word "legitimate" means exactly these, yeah ..
      - did he hold the election? Well, like, yes
      - everything. Dressed wink
      - and about "legal" - you just have to see how he is treated in real life. How? How about a garbage cat ..

      Yes, no, I don’t know?

      Quote: Karabin
      Agreed to the Yukos courts ...

      - but haven’t given anything yet
      - and not even going to
      - and they won’t give it back .. But the court - he .. by himself

      Quote: Karabin
      Agreed to the WTO ..

      - apparently, hoping for some preferences for the Russian Federation (it is laid down according to the rules of the WTO)
      - got a fig, not preferences
      - and where is the WTO? The Russian Federation does not comply with its rules, for example - the so-called counter-sanctions .. and the WTO is quietly silent on this topic

      Quote: Karabin
      What kind of opposition? "" Where is the SSA? ... So here it is. And the lists appeared. And they exchanged them even ... when the right to vote is recognized for those who shot and blew up

      - "lists" - only for the duration of the "truce". And negotiations about with whom, in fact, this "SSA". With a legitimate president, or with ISIS
      - if with ISIS - they will continue to be wet, as before, the Russian Aerospace Forces. But already legally.
      - If with Assad, then they will either have to become a real opposition, or they will again begin to wet them. Already legally, as rebels.
      - and no "right to vote", except how to choose who they are with, this "SSA" did not give

      Yes, no, I don’t know?

      Quote: Karabin
      top of naivete

      - You yourself have exhaustively characterized. Look at the book, but you see .. some nonsense ..

      That's something like hi
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 28 February 2016 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        and where is the WTO? The Russian Federation does not comply with its rules, for example, the so-called counter-sanctions ... and the WTO is quietly silent on this topic

        However, the Bologna system of education is carried out with all care, moreover, the pace of implementation is accelerating. And this is not even a mine, it is an atomic bomb for our future. And the introduction of this system was one of the main conditions when joining the WTO.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 28 February 2016 18: 49
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          However, the Bologna system of education is carried out with all care, moreover, the pace of implementation is accelerating. And this is not even a mine, it is an atomic bomb for our future. And the introduction of this system was one of the main conditions for joining the WTO

          Are you talking about this, apparently?

          Quote: http://www.dioo.ru/poleznyie-stati/vto-i-modernizatsiya-sistemyi-vyisshego-obraz
          ovaniya-v-rossii.html
          ... According to WTO rules, all service sectors are grouped into 12 sections, one of which includes educational services. For each sector included in the list, four main methods of delivery of services are prescribed (cross-border supply, consumption abroad, commercial presence, movement of individuals) ...

          Well, what can I say .. I saw sensible specialists brought up both in the Soviet and Bologna systems .. so what? And he saw ushlepkov, brought up both on that and on that ... and what?

          Maybe it's not about the brand of the car, after all (the type of system is meant, yes), but about the "main gasket" (between the steering wheel and the seat, to make it clearer)?
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 28 February 2016 15: 51
    +8
    Then one of the members of the forum recently wrote coolly - would Churchill tell comrade Stalin in the 43rd that there are moderate fascists and immoderates, would England now be on the world map?
  • lkom11
    lkom11 28 February 2016 15: 51
    +2
    Who then in the Donbass? Moderate or terrorists? As always, Pendoamer double standards!
  • tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 28 February 2016 15: 53
    +6
    And in general - you hear the term from Western politicians - be careful. In 99% of cases, it will carry the Trojan Horse of the information war.

    I agree 100%. The West is not a friend to us, not an enemy, but like that. Of course, it is not necessary to break off relations, but they should not be allowed to come close, much less trust and count on justice in any case.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 28 February 2016 15: 53
    +2
    The question with the assessment of the opposition is the same as with democracy and human rights. What is in the interests of the West is democratic, with respect for human rights and moderate opposition. And if not in the interests of the West, then - and the terrorists, and without human rights, and, in general, undemocratic.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 28 February 2016 16: 01
    10
    He's right about terminology. They have a developed style. For example, they like to say and write "Putin's Russia". Subtext: Putin is the dictator. (Here are the headlines in the Western press: "Putin's" supertanks "hitting the rebels", "Putin makes Europe worry", "Putin wants to destroy Germany from the inside",
    "Putin sympathizes with the murderous communists") It is clear that he is a villain. Not like peace dove Obama. I have never heard of Obama's America, since it is clear that Obama is a Democrat to the bone. It's the same with "Russia's aggression". Russia has always attacked them. Now in the Crimea, now in Arkhangelsk, now in Kamchatka, now in Vladivostok, where they peacefully embroidered with a cross.
  • Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 28 February 2016 16: 08
    28
    Opposition are those who, using the political field, using the appropriate legal methods, wage a POLITICAL struggle for their political goals.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 29 February 2016 06: 18
      0
      And not only about the opposition ...
  • starschina
    starschina 28 February 2016 16: 12
    0
    you need to bomb, everyone, daish not daish, moderate, tried on, sulfur-boromaline !!!! otherwise there will be no peace !!! The USSR probably could have done it.
  • Damask
    Damask 28 February 2016 16: 23
    +5
    But he is worse than that obtained for the current government than the fifth column and the liberals
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 28 February 2016 16: 23
    +1
    All the arguments of Starikov are true and obvious, but, unfortunately, they lack dialectics. That is, in fact, there is an information war. Suppose that the anti-Maidan defeated the Maidan, then the forces that opposed the anti-Maidan would be called rebels, and the Western leaders who indulged them would be called sponsors of the rebels, and Russia would be called a fraternal state, which in time of difficulty would shoulder the fraternal Ukrainian people. Note that Crimea would remain as part of Ukraine and we would not have been sanctioned. But it turned out the opposite, and you yourself know what is called. It was necessary to win the snake in the bud. and it remains only to expose the cunning of the West, well, then they won the right to cunning, so Starikov’s reasoning is correct, but this is not easier.
    1. _my opinion
      _my opinion 28 February 2016 16: 45
      +3
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      ... Note that Crimea would remain as part of Ukraine and we would not have been sanctioned ...

      smile Crimea is just an excuse ... there wouldn’t be it (this occasion) would have gone to a different course ...
      sanctions imposed to force Russia to act as it should ... the initiators of the sanctions.

      I haven’t set a plus or minus for you.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 28 February 2016 17: 13
        +2
        I wholeheartedly support the choice of Crimeans. I am not sad that Crimea was reunited with us, I am glad of this, but it is also true that during the Maidan the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine (Kharkov, Donbass, Odessa) were overwhelmingly on our side, with more decisive support from the anti-Maidan from our side it would be possible to strangle a snake in the bud, at least the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine in one capacity or another would remain with Russia, and so they would be propagandized as Russophobes. It seems to me. that the reason for the indecision of our leadership was the holding of the Olympics at this time, and we could not intervene in Ukrainian affairs. Therefore, our enemies took advantage of this and tore Ukraine from Russia for very long times.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 28 February 2016 16: 32
    +4
    Quote: seti
    Starikov is a true patriot of Russia. Very sensible and point to point. Thanks to him for being there.


    I immediately remembered:
    -And so, the question was asked: what's the point in the act
    Schmidt and his death? ...
    -He himself explained this in his last word at a military court. So he explained that even his guards had set aside
    their rifles to the side
    . Then they were tried for it ...

    (From the movie "We'll Live Until Monday)

    I will defend my point of view that patriots are judged not by words, but by deeds ... Bright personalities, patriots who have done a lot for the country and its citizens, much more writing articles and fulfilling the duties of commercial director:
    Kalashnikov Mikhail Timofeevich - weapons designer
    Fedorov Svyatoslav Nikolaevich - eye microsurgeon
    .
    And from many patriots, creators of weapons, we never heard a word, only in difficult times we admire the fruits of their labor ...

    Better to do well than speak well.
    wink
  • Mentor
    Mentor 28 February 2016 16: 37
    +4
    The difference is simple: the opposition is obliged to be guided by this principle: "You criticize - offer. Offer - do it! Do it - answer!" All other talkers and critics are rebels.
    PS By the way, the Russian "opposition", to me personally, strongly resembles the Decembrists. Those, too, believed that it was enough to overthrow the tsar, and the people would crumple and accept a new power.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 28 February 2016 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: Mentor
      The Russian "opposition", to me personally, strongly resembles the Decembrists.

      Decembrists ?! belay The same naive dreamers? No, there are no similarities.
      1. Mentor
        Mentor 28 February 2016 17: 39
        +3
        They are terribly far from the people © wink
    2. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 28 February 2016 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: Mentor
      PS By the way, the Russian "opposition", to me personally, strongly resembles the Decembrists. Those, too, believed that it was enough to overthrow the tsar, and the people would crumple and accept a new power.


      Well what are you! The Decembrists were quite naive in this regard, it is true. But firstly, they thought about the welfare of their country and people, and secondly, for the great idea they were ready to be executed and to Siberia. And what about the current opposition? Divides foreign "grants" and barks from under the fence. And if the situation changes and their tail is fried, then immediately repainted in anyone! Today orange, and tomorrow - even blue, even brown, even green!
  • jaroff
    jaroff 28 February 2016 16: 40
    0
    And in relation to Colonel Kvachkov everything becomes clear. Kvachkov, who is he? Rebel or innocently convicted? Oppositionist or mentally ill person? A patriot of Russia or an enemy who wanted to plunge the country into a civil war?
  • Bosk
    Bosk 28 February 2016 16: 46
    0
    Everything is very simple, the Opposition is those who fight against the authorities within the framework of the law, therefore, the authorities should "discuss" with them, also relying on the law. But the rebels are closely within this framework and they usually ignore them, which means that they become outside the law and the authorities have the right to deal with them accordingly.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 28 February 2016 16: 49
    -3
    "Oppositionist or rebel - what's the difference"

    Yes, everything is very simple, these are just two points of view, a person is called a rebel by the government, the same person calls himself an oppositionist
  • borys
    borys 28 February 2016 16: 55
    +6
    On large Russian TV channels, Russian political scientists have repeatedly
    used the term "Assad regime". If we accept this term, then actions
    Russian VKS do not look like that. In fact, it is necessary to
    to steal the "legitimate government of Syria" that accurately expresses the essence of the matter.
    In this case, the actions of Russia and its VKS are absolutely legal and
    fair deal. And no more excuses and reservations are needed.
    1. udincev
      udincev 29 February 2016 01: 06
      0
      Quote: borys
      And no more excuses and reservations are needed

      Type (reservations):
      "disliked by the Obama regime, because he does not dance to the music"
  • fif21
    fif21 28 February 2016 16: 57
    0
    Quote: Thought Giant
    Double standard
    It all depends on which side of the barricade you are on! And you need to understand one thing - which side you would not be on - you are just a pawn in the "big game", in which you will not get a prize. Man's mind control technologies are becoming more sophisticated, and a person becomes more defenseless in front of them. "The theory of relativity" however. hi
  • boroda64
    boroda64 28 February 2016 17: 15
    +2
    ....
    = "Opposition or rebel - what's the difference"
    = only in one
    - did you pick up a weapon and apply it to your fellow citizens ...
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 28 February 2016 17: 18
    +1
    It would be nice to apply such an analysis to the Russian opposition as well!
  • Mentor
    Mentor 28 February 2016 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Neophyte
    It would be nice to apply such an analysis to the Russian opposition as well!

    Russian, she is only at the place of residence. And so, typical Manilovism at the American expense.
  • vobels
    vobels 28 February 2016 17: 39
    0
    And as soon as possible, so that everyone would understand: who is who!
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 28 February 2016 18: 03
    +5
    To be honest, I have a negative attitude towards Starikov. For on historical themes he writes frank delirium. As one friend said about him: “What will happen if you cross Fomenko and Zadornov, and then add a little Galkovsky?
    You will get a new star of Russian historical science for idiots - Nikolai Starikov. ”If you look at his books (and there are about a dozen of them), then, in short, English intelligence and the US Federal Reserve, which later joined it, are to blame for all the troubles of Russia from Boris Godunov to the present day.

    Accordingly, I relate to his judgments and statements on contemporary topics with a high degree of skepticism. And in Syria it is definitely not necessary to listen to him, but of orientalists.
    1. beer-youk
      beer-youk 28 February 2016 18: 55
      +1
      For God's sake, don’t remember the wretched (Fomenko) in vain!
  • slawa190e
    slawa190e 28 February 2016 18: 15
    0
    a true patriot of Russia
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 28 February 2016 18: 52
    +2
    Quote: In100gram
    A revolution is a successful coup. No more differences


    In my opinion, you confuse soft with salty. The revolution replaces the social system, and the revolution - the top of power. Until February 1917, coups in Russia were immeasurable!
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 28 February 2016 19: 10
    0
    "There is a certain" moderate opposition "in Syria, which cares for the country and wants Syria well!" and that is why the "moderates", together with ISIS, burned down half of the country, so that everyone would be happy! Exclusively for the sake of the Syrians themselves, who are apparently bored with a peaceful, relatively calm life and their passion as they wanted something that would be inserted! Inserted! Great u k r about in the same problem. I really want something! And suddenly, such happiness came over - you can rob, rape and kill, and all for the sake of a "great" idea. What the idea is, few people understand, including its adherents, but this is not the main thing. The main thing is to furnish it with beautiful words. Triumph of "Islam", triumph of "democracy" triumph ... but who cares ...
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 29 February 2016 12: 55
      0
      Quote: Navy7981
      "There is a certain" moderate opposition "in Syria, which cares for the country and wants good for Syria!" and that is why the "moderates", together with ISIS, burned to hell half of the country, so that everyone would be happy!

      "... Well I wish you well!" He said, choosing a thicker and stronger twig from the rods soaked in water in advance ... " (I don’t remember where, but - fits the situation)
  • Yugra
    Yugra 28 February 2016 19: 15
    +9
    Yesterday’s clown passage of traitors, representatives of the right sector (and this is in Russia, where it is forbidden !!!!), gays, other evil spirits showed that they still exist, not all have flowed abroad, and poses a question to normal society: guys, it's time to take up liberalism and uproot this reptile from the body of the country ...
  • Cartalon
    Cartalon 28 February 2016 19: 21
    +2
    But it’s not easier to write: 3a we are a positioner, against a rebel, strongly against a terrorist.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 29 February 2016 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Cartalon
      But it’s not easier to write: 3a we are a positioner, against a rebel, strongly against a terrorist.

      ... our scouts and their spies ... our revolutionaries and their rebels ... ours are journalists, but they have reporters! ...
  • starschina
    starschina 28 February 2016 20: 03
    -1
    Quote: Ugra
    Yesterday’s clown passage of traitors, representatives of the right sector (and this is in Russia, where it is forbidden !!!!), gays, other evil spirits showed that they still exist, not all have flowed abroad, and poses a question to normal society: guys, it's time to take up liberalism and uproot this reptile from the body of the country ...

    walker on the line !!!
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 February 2016 20: 28
    -1
    [quote = Baikonur] [quote]

    And this purulent rot will never triumph!
    [/ Quote]
    Like this? They won in Ukraine, and half of the population immediately became the same rot. For me, let them rot, die more quickly. But normal people have to do with it? How to live if it stinks unbearably?
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 February 2016 20: 47
    0
    Quote: cobra77
    To be honest, I have a negative attitude towards Starikov. For on historical themes he writes frank delirium. As one friend said about him: “What will happen if you cross Fomenko and Zadornov, and then add a little Galkovsky?
    You will get a new star of Russian historical science for idiots - Nikolai Starikov. ”If you look at his books (and there are about a dozen of them), then, in short, English intelligence and the US Federal Reserve, which later joined it, are to blame for all the troubles of Russia from Boris Godunov to the present day.

    Accordingly, I relate to his judgments and statements on contemporary topics with a high degree of skepticism. And in Syria it is definitely not necessary to listen to him, but of orientalists.

    You still say that all the Russian people themselves are to blame for all wars, revolutions and social upheavals. They attacked themselves, organized civil wars on their own, financed their own revolutions, destroyed their own state? Germany attacked, then it’s their own fault? You suggest that you can also repent ka is it all offered in the west? And in Syria. And here are the Orientalists? These are people who are engaged in trepidation with a smart look, they did not unleash a war and not to end it. You do not write dear nonsense, and before expressing other people's stupid jokes and thoughts, first look for at least one original thought of your own.
  • vell.65
    vell.65 28 February 2016 21: 01
    0
    But we know for sure something about the Stalinist repressions, or is it only from the words of so-called eyewitnesses that we know about the consequences of Khrushchev’s reign in the future, well, no one wondered about this. In the era of Stalin, the country rose from its knees, industry began to develop at an unbelievable pace, but what happened with the onset of the so-called democracy_Have your blessings about who used to be in power or a tough brother? How much did Stalin himself have, he worried more than anyone else for the Union, not for himself. Putin is now re-reviving a lot of things hunchbacked to the states and let they say anything, But we won’t crawl before anyone !!! soldier
    1. vassa
      vassa 28 February 2016 21: 18
      +1
      and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, too, the liberals blew up .... and every second believer themselves disappeared ... But Putin was going to revive a part of the historic building of the Kremlin .. which themselves were destroyed .. by the liberans, probably ..
  • kaban7
    kaban7 28 February 2016 21: 28
    0
    I absolutely agree with the author. The right man.
  • Theline
    Theline 28 February 2016 22: 15
    -2
    The current Russian press also uses various terms to arouse certain feelings in the reader. This practice is applied to any world-financed state-sponsored media if the order is of a propagandistic nature (praise of one’s owns, blackening of strangers). This is true everywhere, even in Russia. And if we are talking about the fact that this happens only in the West, then this is a lie (which is essentially propaganda again).
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  • sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 28 February 2016 23: 28
    0
    health
    Of course, it is very important who such an armed person is and who is so unarmed.
    I would suggest, to my respected Author, to tell everyone who such POLITICS are, what they should be and what should not be. people MUST know who to vote for and who not.
    I will try to help him. we all come from childhood.
    what is happening in the world ? fear is instilling .... Anglo-Saxons bring up children with the help of fear. make their children do what adults want. the question arises: why do modern Western politicians pursue a policy of intimidation and are afraid of ADULT UNCLE VVPUTIN themselves? they don’t know how otherwise. an adult is always right. but really want something different.
    How did GDP grow up? I recall just one long-standing fact: one of the brothers of the mili-bans was the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and in parliament, RUSSIA SHOULD CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. it was a bust even for arrogant Saxons. he demanded this in connection with Litvinenko. GDP sent yourself you know where, further more. Putin has grown up .... and now he’s quite an adult tearing backs ....
    but the politics of those who have gone mad, who are NOT children by age, are not forgiven for what they forgive to stupid children, crazy politics continues. Risovalka of red lines continue for which to enter LOW.
    are they better educated or are they psychologically broken? Learning is the creation in memory of a file called life experience. put pigs in their mouths .... or freemasons, with rituals ...? they are broken and breaking the world, just as they were breaking, THROUGH THE KNEE !!!
    they don’t know how otherwise.
    Yes, I also want to say, I missed the discussion due to my employment. English film with captured Russian Latvia AT ALL ABOUT WHAT propaganda broadcasts to us on the great and mighty. this film is a RECOGNITION of the powerlessness of Anglics in influencing the past of their "baby" America. Well, watch the movie YOURSELF !!! Well, invite someone who knows English to visit. there everything is white thread ... they can't even find the reason why Russians in Latvia took up arms. they are HELP free. they cannot do otherwise.
    all the best! adulthood to you wise.
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 28 February 2016 23: 47
    +2
    The article is a plus, as is the author as a whole. Who has not read Starikov’s books, I highly recommend it. I will not list them, there are several of them, all of them are interesting in the case.
  • Tai
    Tai 29 February 2016 00: 27
    +1
    for me, the oppositionists are those who are against the majority in parliament, well, maybe they are yelling on the street, like the same bulk and co. But as soon as you pick up a machine gun, you are a rebel, or a bandit, and you must be destroyed like a mad dog! Because only representatives of the authorities should have weapons to protect citizens, they are paid for that!
  • olegsochi
    olegsochi 29 February 2016 00: 35
    0
    maybe it's a way of thinking? if they have one clan stronger than others, then it is so, it rules the country, while others (with NATO support) are gaining strength. MODERATE TERRORISTS ...
  • Alexander 67
    Alexander 67 29 February 2016 01: 51
    0
    Starikov missed one very important detail. Any political group calling itself the opposition must have at least an electoral base in the country. If a hundred people have their own views on the future of their country and do not have the support of a certain number of citizens, this is not opposition in principle. With those who are called the "Syrian opposition", it is not clear at all. There is no information about them in open sources. Who are they? What prospects do they see for their country? Who and how many support them in Syria itself.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 29 February 2016 06: 38
      0
      Quote: Alexander 67
      With those who are called the "Syrian opposition", it is not clear at all. There is no information about them in open sources.

      Yes, it was only when this whole mess started, that they wrote, that one high-ranking military official from Assad broke away, then another
  • Nasty
    Nasty 29 February 2016 06: 43
    0
    I remember that last year our tall uncles told us that someone with a gun and not in the army is a terrorist, definitely. Now some kind of incomprehensible truce, it is not clear with whom and on what conditions, and it is not clear with what "opposition". Almost "Brothers and Sisters" on TV. Stir up something.
  • python82
    python82 29 February 2016 07: 55
    0
    These American delights, like that "moderate opposition", are a game of meanings. Just a game. In the United States, specific lawyers are practitioners who create "constructions" for the implementation of which do not need a lot of money. The property of these structures is simplicity and, therefore, ease of perception. Orientation to the Internet public and indulgence of superficial publicism. So Starikov, trying to "beat the enemy with a slipper" with a ponderous analysis, will not succeed. Now, if he launched a hashtag, for example: ".....". It would have shot.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 February 2016 09: 17
    0
    Yes, actually, what is there to understand and discuss. Whoever has a head in his head, they already understand how much. Plus life experience.
    The fact that the so-called opposition sings does not raise any questions, everything is clear here. The question rests on our, domestic opposition. The fact that they are ready, with or without reason, to expose Russia in the most unsightly form, in order to throw them on poverty. Their statements about Syria and about Ukraine. This is scary. These mazeps, ready for 30 pieces of silver to sell their mother. That is who needs to be identified and shown in all their abomination, hatred of their country, of their people.