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The Kurdish battle, or Alone with tomatoes did not get off ...

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Today there is a great opportunity to actually observe in real time how the Turkish authorities are losing all kinds of shores. Just a few months ago, Erdogan tried to restrain himself, quite moderately announcing Turkey’s commitment to the anti-Igil (American) coalition, now that the main coalition ideologue behind the ocean cannot really explain the final goals and objectives of the operation, Ankara suffered. .. Literally at one time, the political elite of Turkey decided that it possessed the forces and means to wage war against the 44 million people - the Kurds - the people in Turkey alone numbering about 17 million people.


The drift of Ankara brought to the point that the Turkish security forces decided to conduct a military operation against the Kurdish population of three states at once. In addition to the bloody anti-Kurdish bacchanalia organized by the Turkish police and military in Jizra, Diyarbakir and other cities in southeastern Turkey, the army carries out attacks by Kurdish forces in two other neighboring states of Turkey. Gangs associated with the Jebhat al-Nusra and ISIS have been attacking the Syrian Kurds, which are pressing together with the government forces of the SAR, for several days now Turkish artillery has been attacking. And on the eve, the Iraqi Kurds, who were “ironed” from the air by the Turkish Air Force planes, got it. At the same time, an air strike by Turkish "falcons" was carried out against the background of numerous statements by President Erdogan and Prime Minister Davutoglu that several hundred Turkish military and several dozen in the province of Ninewa (Iraq) tanks and other armored vehicles - all this, you see, to provide training bases for Iraqi Kurds, for them, you know, support in the confrontation with Daesh (the so-called Islamic State).

That is, all the time while the Turkish occupation forces in northern Iraq were located, training of the Kurds was going on, and then suddenly they decided for the same Kurds, excuse me, lupanut from the air, and even without any international sanctions or an official invitation for such an operation. from Baghdad. Erdoganovsky’s message is approximately as follows: we understand that Kurds in Iraq were trained and trained, and they are arranging terrorist attacks here under our noses — then their attack!

Indeed, the air raid on the positions of the Kurds who are trying to resist ISIS in Iraq, Turkish aviation inflicted literally a couple of hours after the explosion in Ankara. However, even before the Turkish planes took to the air, the leaders of the Kurdish armed forces and political forces openly declared their non-involvement in the terrorist attacks in the capital of the “Erdogan Empire”. The statements of the Kurdish leaders can be treated as you like, but the fact remains: the Turkish army entered a new, even more active, movement precisely after the bombing of a car bomb in the immediate vicinity of the military hostel in Ankara.

It is worth noting here that the trailing fever of the Turkish leadership is connected not only with the fact that the terrorist geeks supported by them in Syria suffer a grand fiasco under the attacks of the ATS troops supported by both the Russian Aerospace Forces from the ground and the that the star-striped ally of NATO moos something inaudible. According to the official representative of the US Department of State, Washington cannot choose whom to speak for: “smart or beautiful”. He cannot, and therefore, in his statements, he calls Erdogan and the Democratic Union of Kurdistan allies the party, from which Mr. Erdogan has a nervous tic. The President of Turkey, pulling out his already not thick hairs on his head, calls the American ambassador to the carpet, demanding that Obama finally decide. But the “lord of the world” is walking with a limping duck walking around the Oval Office, and in no way can he understand that now it has become so difficult for him to get the second Nobel Peace Prize ...

Before the capture of the border with Turkey by the government forces of Syria (after defeating the militants in the city of Kessab in Latakia), it seems that a little time remains. What this will lead to for the same Erdogan is obvious. “Sultan” not only loses the opportunity to receive oil stolen from Syria, not only loses the ability to provide the militants with “brotherly help”, he sees the plan collapsing before our eyes. And if we consider that Mr. Erdogan invested more than seriously in the implementation of this plan, then both political and economic fiasco is a complete, tangible one. And in the seething whirl of thoughts in the head of the Turkish president, one begins to be dominant - “a military solution should help.” But after all, bad luck - if the plan developed over the years did not lead to the desired result for Ankara, then how to act in the format of unplanned force majeure?

The Kurdish battle, or Alone with tomatoes did not get off ...


Ankara is trying to enlist at least someone’s support, realizing that the “nation of exceptional” clearly increasingly focuses on the domestic politics and elections of Obama's mate, rather than on the problems of the Turkish “friend” in NATO. Negotiating instruments with the Saudis, Qatari and even representatives of Sudan are going on, the authorities of which have declared that, in principle, they can carry out the deployment of their contingent to Syria. At the same time, the Sudanese, apparently, did not particularly try to clarify that while their military contingent is participating in exercises in northern Saudi Arabia, the Turkish political elite decided to finally turn against themselves the 44-million Kurdish people who know what it is to defend their land with weapons in the hands, although it does not have its own state. And if Erdogan seriously considers that with his bashing, more resembling agony, he will solve his problems, then it may once again be surprising that he reigns in his head.

Truly: I haven’t gotten away with some tomatoes ...
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 19 February 2016 06: 14
    +5
    So far, the Turks only make a lot of noise - but Erdogan will not calm down so easily - otherwise he may lose his influence, and this essentially means his collapse as a politician. ..
    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 19 February 2016 06: 19
      19
      It seems that on their nose is not only the collapse of Erdogan as a politician, but also the split of Turkey as a state.
      The Kurds themselves are already saying that there will no longer be such a second chance to secede. And there are 17 million Kurds in Turkey.
      1. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 19 February 2016 06: 44
        16
        The attack broke Erdogan’s plans for an air invasion of Syria. 22 pilots of the Turkish Air Force killed.

        Of the 28 people killed in the February 17 terrorist attack in Ankara, 22 were Turkish Air Force pilots. This was reported by the APA Azerbaijani news agency with reference to the Turkish Ülke TV channel.

        The channel demanded to declare mourning in Turkey in connection with the death of pilots. This information is not officially confirmed.

        http://cont.ws/post/205455
        1. The black
          The black 19 February 2016 08: 30
          14
          What a terrorist attack, which Kurds?
          A can with expired tomatoes, they warned ... you have to be careful with tomatoes ...
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 19 February 2016 08: 45
            +6
            Quote: Black
            Jar of expired tomatoes

            Or air conditioning.
            1. Finntroll
              Finntroll 19 February 2016 20: 23
              +1
              Conditioner with expired tomatoes!
          2. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 19 February 2016 16: 01
            +6
            I am not a supporter of Erdogan and I believe that this will help the Kurds and Syria, but let's not be like our maydan "brothers"
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 19 February 2016 10: 59
          +7
          It is hoped that among the victims of the attack there were those who attacked our plane. Although they were executors, they obeyed the order, but it is better to execute some orders so that no one is hurt.
      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 19 February 2016 06: 56
        +4
        Quote: Sensatus
        And there are 17 million Kurds in Turkey.


        Kurds - a people in Turkey alone numbering about 17 million people.


        Even taking into account the long Turkization of the population, the estimated number of Kurds in Turkey is 25-30 million.

      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 February 2016 10: 02
        +3
        Erdogan and his friends will not allow such a separation - suppressions will be cruel, however they have already begun.
    2. The black
      The black 19 February 2016 08: 25
      45
      EVERYTHING will return to the Turks like a boomerang! As in the old Russian proverb "what you sow, you reap" ... there are examples of this ...
    3. walter1771
      walter1771 19 February 2016 11: 11
      +4
      Who allowed Erdogan's planes to fly over Syria? Where are the Russian S400s about which they made a lot of noise? While all this reminds Krylov’s fable: “Ah, Vaska is listening and eating!”
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 19 February 2016 14: 04
        +2
        ..... Who allowed Erdogan's planes to fly over Syria? Where are the Russian S400s about which they made a lot of noise? While all this reminds Krylov’s fable: “Ah, Vaska listens and eats!” ...

        .... Do not make noise .... In vain ..... Turks fly to the east of Syria (and this is about 400 km) .... Just the S-400 range is not enough .... hi
      2. Ducksar
        Ducksar 20 February 2016 21: 18
        0
        did you read the article? since the s-400 there were violations of the Syrian airspace, it seems like there wasn’t ...
        according to the text "By Syrian the Kurds, which are crowding together with the government troops of the SAR, gangs associated with Jebhat al-Nusra and ISIS, have been attacking Turkish for several days artillery. And the day before Iraqi the Kurds who were “ironed” with air Turkish Air Force aircraft. "
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 February 2016 06: 14
    +6
    A "nation of exceptional" is clearly focusing more and more on domestic politics and the election of Obama's replacement, "
    This is what Putin takes - the choice of the moment. But this is not available to losers.
  3. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 19 February 2016 06: 16
    10
    According to unconfirmed reports, of the 30 killed in the terrorist attack in Turkey, 22 were pilots who were collected for briefing before the start of an air operation in Syria.
    1. Dam
      Dam 19 February 2016 07: 23
      14
      This is a fencing shot. It’s hardly an accident to inflict such damage with a precisely calibrated blow.
    2. kristofer
      kristofer 19 February 2016 08: 13
      11
      If in reality it was pilots who were preparing for combat sorties, then it should be noted the quality of intelligence information that was obtained during the planning and execution of the attack
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 08: 29
        -8
        Quote: armored optimist
        According to unconfirmed reports

        Quote: Damm
        This is a fencing shot. Such damage inflict

        Quote: kristofer
        If in reality it was the pilots who were preparing

        funny how a single "unconfirmed" stuff stimulates the imagination of the commentators. I do not ask for a link, I understand that it is useless.
        1. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 19 February 2016 08: 46
          +7
          Please give me a link.
          http://warfiles.ru/show-109248-terakt-oblomal-plany-erdogana-o-vozdushnom-vtorzh
          enii-v-siriyu-ubity-22-pilota-tureckih-vvs.html
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 19 February 2016 09: 12
          +6
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          I don’t ask for a link, I understand that it’s useless.

          To the source? Of course it is useless, because it is a live broadcast of Turkish television.
          I can give to the APA agency.
          http://ru.apa.az/news/310562
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 11: 02
            +1
            Quote: GRAY
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            I don’t ask for a link, I understand that it’s useless.

            To the source? Of course it is useless, because it is a live broadcast of Turkish television.
            I can give to the APA agency.
            http://ru.apa.az/news/310562

            what's the point? link to link?
            Ulke TV is the former News 7, a local satellite Istanbul TV channel, common jaundice, of which there are many. The value of their information is not even discussed. By the way, no one mentioned more about the "pilots".
      2. avt
        avt 19 February 2016 10: 12
        +5
        Quote: kristofer
        If in reality they were pilots who were preparing for sorties,

        Is it even interesting - to bring a couple of buses for instruction in the capital to the General Staff, or a room nearby, 100 pilots ?? wassat If so, then the bottom of the two: The first is a specific provocation; Second - fool wassat ... Well, Turks! It’s a sin not to take such a chance, well, to the one who took advantage.
        1. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 19 February 2016 10: 35
          +2
          The fagot himself organized everything. The relevant people knew exactly when and where the bus with the pilots would pass. There is no better motivation than anger and desire for revenge. That motivated the Air Force.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 19 February 2016 11: 34
            +1
            Quote: armored optimist
            The fagot himself organized everything. The relevant people knew exactly when and where the bus with the pilots would pass. There is no better motivation than anger and desire for revenge. That motivated the Air Force.

            stunned logic wassat I recall a movie by Sharia about Dzhemilev
          2. Luga
            Luga 19 February 2016 13: 55
            +4
            Quote: armored optimist
            There is no better motivation than anger and desire for revenge. That motivated the Air Force.


            In my opinion, you think too broadly. If the information about the pilots is not a duck, then for provocation this is too generous a gesture. It would be more expensive to blow up only a bus with military doctors or generals. Even if we assume that Turkey has a whole thousand trained fighter pilots (which is clearly not the case), the number of supposedly dead pilots will exceed two percent, this is the same as losing the largest air battle. But the pilots in Turkey, most likely, much less.
            1. Armored optimist
              Armored optimist 19 February 2016 14: 46
              +2
              You have a philosophy of a normal person. And those who are ready to blow up tens and hundreds of people for their billions and exorbitant ego are cannibals. They have a different value system.
              1. Luga
                Luga 19 February 2016 18: 52
                0
                Quote: armored optimist
                They have a different value system.


                The value system has nothing to do with it. I am arguing not from humanistic considerations, but from practical ones. It takes a significant amount of time and resources to train a new pilot to replace the deceased, therefore, for provocation, one could choose something cheaper, but more significant from an emotional point of view - a school, a sports team, a media person, for example, or just young soldiers who there are many in the country and replacement of which will not require any additional costs, except for "bring and change clothes". And pilots will come in handy again.

                The first thing I thought when I heard the news about the explosion was a provocation to start active actions against the Kurds. Subsequent events confirmed my suspicions. And the pilots do not fit into my concept. It’s impractical.

                If the victims of the explosion are valuable military personnel (pilots, for example), then this is not a terrorist attack, but a sabotage.
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 19 February 2016 06: 37
    +5
    Agony happens before death. It’s bad that everyone who is near Turkey will also get it.
  5. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 19 February 2016 06: 41
    +9
    We are waiting for the birth of a new state - Kurdistan.
  6. as150505
    as150505 19 February 2016 06: 41
    +5
    Perdogan completely lost the coast.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 February 2016 06: 50
    +4
    What this will lead to for the same Erdogan - obviously

    By the death of the main Ottoman. Obscurantist. With Petskaya from rushena - two boots of steam! laughing
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 20 February 2016 01: 16
      +1
      Do not confuse, even the Germans call him don Pedro!
  8. alex-712
    alex-712 19 February 2016 07: 01
    +1
    Quote: Sensatus
    It seems that on their nose is not only the collapse of Erdogan as a politician, but also the split of Turkey as a state.
    The Kurds themselves are already saying that there will no longer be such a second chance to secede. And there are 17 million Kurds in Turkey.

    I completely agree, the reaction of the so-called world community is just interesting, I mean the situation with the Crimea, the Turks are like allies, not potential opponents like us.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 19 February 2016 07: 17
    +5
    Love in Europe, mankiller killers .. Erdogan, Poroshenko .. sowers of democratic values ​​...
  10. Balagan
    Balagan 19 February 2016 07: 45
    +6
    Kurds, indeed, turned up a good moment. As far as they realize it, so will happiness be to them.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: booth
      Kurds, indeed, turned up a good moment. How much do they realize it

      in the muddy Middle Eastern water everyone catches their chance. Assad Syrian Kurds in their territories does not control. If the SSA had not pinned into their territory, violating the status quo, it is not known what position the Kurds would have taken. In fact, de facto they consider their territory autonomy, Assad and Russia are on their side, they will fight with whom and against whom they want, without really bothering with some kind of allied obligations.
  11. Stas157
    Stas157 19 February 2016 08: 07
    +2
    And where are the tomatoes ?? It was Putin who threatened Turkey that they alone did not ban tomatoes, and not Kurds! Kurds do not buy tomatoes from the Turks! I still don’t catch up with what Putin really meant by this phrase, because there were no other actions against the Turks! Even here the condolences to the Turks brought about the attacks!
    1. starper
      starper 19 February 2016 08: 20
      17
      Don't be so naive, you just think the Kurds have started to move, but just the opening of a representative office in Russia is worth it, and the coordination of airstrikes, and the supply of weapons, it's not for nothing that the West yells, bomb the wrong ones! So Putin responded and, as always, in his own style, asymmetrically. And you say tomatoes :-)
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 February 2016 08: 31
        +2
        Quote: starper
        Don't be so naive, you just think the Kurds have started to move, but just the opening of a representative office in Russia is worth it, and the coordination of airstrikes, and the supply of weapons, it's not for nothing that the West yells, bomb the wrong ones! So Putin responded and, as always, in his own style, asymmetrically. And you say tomatoes :-)

        If Moscow agreed on an end then with the Kurds and began to arm them, that would be great, of course!
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 19 February 2016 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      I still don’t catch up with what, in fact, Putin meant by this phrase

      There are all kinds of tomatoes too. The fact that between the legs can be called as Yatsenyuk, and you can also tomatoes. So Erdogan really can not get rid of them alone. Wait and see.
  12. wandlitz
    wandlitz 19 February 2016 08: 38
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    Even here the condolences to the Turks brought about the attacks!

    Education, obliges to do so ....
  13. Crown
    Crown 19 February 2016 09: 36
    0
    The existence of Turkey is at stake!
  14. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 19 February 2016 09: 57
    +3
    Quote: Krona
    The existence of Turkey is at stake!

    Yeah.
    While they are moving the border into the depths of Syria, but it seems that soon the borders of Turkey will begin to change in the opposite direction. The only chance for the Turks to stop the collapse of Turkey is to remove Erdogan himself from power, which will make him the person involved in the criminal prosecution.
    It seems that he himself already understood this, and therefore, he will go to any extreme in order to maintain power.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 February 2016 10: 05
    +3
    Oh, what matters are being done, on a historical, epoch-making scale ...
    We are waiting for the reaction of the Turks, they must definitely answer.
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 February 2016 10: 41
    +1
    That's really true: he cannot get rid of tomatoes alone .. He does not take into account the properties of the Russian character. You see the button - you have to click.
  17. triglav
    triglav 19 February 2016 10: 53
    +2
    I didn’t get off, but I’ll soon get it done. It is time for him to answer for the shelling of Syrian territory.
  18. koshmarik
    koshmarik 19 February 2016 10: 55
    +4
    With the invasion of the Turks, everything is not so simple, because the invasion of the territory of another state must somehow be legally justified, justified in the eyes of the world community. So far, the Turks have neither the UN permission, nor the request of the Syrian legitimate government, nor even the approval of the United States. So you can easily run into trouble, which is why Erdogan, even before the firefighters arrived at the scene of the explosion, blamed the Syrian Kurds for the attack and a couple of hours later launched an air raid on their positions in Syria. I think neither Syria nor the Kurds will put up with this and will give a decent answer.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 February 2016 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: koshmarik
      the invasion of the territory of another state must somehow be legally justified

      "Invasions" are always justified by geopolitics.
      The results of the war are formalized "legally", and even then not always: Germany since 1918 was legally obliged to pay reparations, and Russia has always been robbed like that.
  19. Wanderer 2008
    Wanderer 2008 19 February 2016 11: 20
    +3
    Quote: Stas157
    Even here the condolences to the Turks brought about the attacks!

    Condolences were expressed to the Turkish people. The dead have mothers, fathers, relatives. They expressed it. And the Turks themselves will figure out who the blood is and who is responsible!
  20. atamankko
    atamankko 19 February 2016 11: 48
    +2
    The Kurds are excellent warriors and soon the Turks will understand this.
  21. akm8226
    akm8226 19 February 2016 11: 51
    +3
    From all that has been said, only one conclusion can be drawn - Erdogan’s end. Going war on Syria, without air support, without US support, is like death. And do not go - the Russian Aerospace Forces will finish their work, and then Erdogan is guided by his own pieces. Because after the death of ISIS, inevitably, the dark affairs of Turkey and Erdogan personally will begin to surface. And in order to make peace with the Turks with Russia, it is difficult to think of a better candidate than Erdogan’s head. That's why he rushes and freaks out - in his place, anyone would be freaking out.
  22. lex locis
    lex locis 19 February 2016 11: 56
    +2
    That Turkey, that Outskirts - the situation is similar. The country is on the eve of collapse. And feverish efforts to crush the "separatists" who are perfectly right not wanting to be third-rate slaves in their own country ....
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: lex locis
      That Turkey, that Outskirts - the situation is similar. The country on the eve of the collapse.

      Something the eve was too long.
      1. lex locis
        lex locis 19 February 2016 12: 07
        0
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Something the eve was too long.


        I agree !
  23. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 19 February 2016 12: 05
    +2
    Syrian Kurds threatened Turkey with a “big war” with Russia
    Russia has promised to protect Kurdish militias in Syria in the event of an invasion of Turkey, so such an Ankara move could lead to a "big war."
    This was stated in an interview with Bloomberg by the head of the representative office of Syrian Kurdistan in Moscow, Rodi Osman.

    “Russia will respond to the invasion. This applies not only to the Kurds, it will protect the territorial integrity of Syria, ”said Osman.
    The head of the mission also said that the Russian Aerospace Forces are supporting the Kurdish militias leading an offensive in the north of Syria in Aleppo province towards the Turkish border. At the same time, he noted that the offensive would develop faster without opposition from Turkey.

    In turn, the representative of the Syrian opposition in Moscow, Qadri Jamil, said that in addition to air support, Moscow is supplying ammunition to the Syrian Kurds, and the Syrian army is fighting against the Islamic State group banned in Russia in coordination with Kurdish militias.

    Since mid-February, Turkish heavy artillery has been attacking Syrian Kurds in the north of Aleppo and the positions of the Syrian army.
    https://news.mail.ru/politics/24892350/?frommail=1
  24. arjuna307
    arjuna307 19 February 2016 12: 36
    +1
    As my boss (builder) said: Rare Turk, not.
  25. Belousov
    Belousov 19 February 2016 12: 42
    +4
    The situation is complicated there. It seems that at least half of the pop-up information is disinformation, and you don’t even immediately understand which side it is, everything is so closely intertwined there. Here a lot depends on the states. If they give a command to Erdogan, he will rush to Syria and Russia. If they don’t give it, it will proceed on a brown substance.
    In the short term, we will strike Turkey, but in the long term (against the Turks, Kaklov, Saudis and other hangers-on with the active help of staff, and subsequently with the active participation of the states themselves), there are obvious doubts that we are not ready for a long war. Yes, in 1941 they were not ready either, but there is a fundamental difference - Stalin had sons at the front, and at the front. And where are the children of today's rulers? Is today's elite of Russia ready for sacrifices for the prosperity of the country? It is unlikely that Russia Kudrin, Gref and other Nabiullino-Medvedev-Sechin considered exclusively as a place of earnings.
    1. black
      black 19 February 2016 13: 54
      +1
      Nuuuu, varied. The president will send his daughters, translators, to the intelligence department.
  26. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 19 February 2016 13: 38
    +1
    Yes, Turkey did not have a single neighbor - a friend!
    1. Black
      Black 19 February 2016 14: 37
      +1
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      not a single neighbor is a friend!

      Have you been?
      Now, if only Bulgaria .... repeat
    2. Mjohn
      Mjohn 19 February 2016 16: 16
      +1
      But what about Georgia?
  27. Vadim42
    Vadim42 19 February 2016 16: 37
    +1
    If Erdogan is not stopped, then the Armenian genocide will continue with the Kurdish genocide.
  28. isker
    isker 19 February 2016 18: 03
    0
    the media reported that Erdogan had an inoperable brain tumor and that he had only six months left to live ... so he had nothing to lose and nothing special.
  29. Sirius-2
    Sirius-2 19 February 2016 19: 25
    +3
    Iran has a military alliance with Syria. Does Erdogan expect that in the event of a Turkish invasion of Syria, Iran will be on the sidelines? Do not minus, everyone has the right to their opinion, but Iran can and should help Assad more than Russia. We are aviation, equipment, ammunition, and let Iran send soldiers, many soldiers. Persia and Turkey fought no less than ours. Let them "understand", not our weight category. Our turn has not come yet.
  30. Artura0777
    Artura0777 19 February 2016 22: 29
    +1
    virgins are already waiting for this sultan)))))
  31. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat 19 February 2016 22: 58
    +1
    An inoperable tumor is serious. Heaping firewood on purpose! There is nothing to lose.
  32. Hurray
    Hurray 22 February 2016 03: 47
    0
    It would be necessary to support the Shiites of Saudi Arabia. This will stop the southern flank.