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Kurdish poker has unclear prospects

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The Russian-Turkish conflict, caused by the attack of the Turkish fighter on the Su-24 bomber, has aroused public thought among those who want to solve international problems with outsiders. There are such politicians in the Russian open spaces. Their eyes turned to the Kurds. The media filled out proposals on how to weaken or even crush Turkey with the help of this divided people.




Looking for common interests

Admittedly, variations on the Kurdish theme did not arise from scratch. Russian diplomats have been developing it since summer. In early June, at the invitation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a delegation of the Kurdish Supreme Committee headed by the leader of the Democratic Union Party, Salih Muslim, visited Moscow. The results of the meetings in the Russian capital inspired the Syrian Kurds to expand cooperation. Muslim even spoke about the possible establishment of diplomatic relations.

Contacts with the Kurds intensified sharply after the start of the operation of the Russian aerospace forces in Syria. In October, the Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Mikhail Bogdanov, first met with Salih Muslim in Paris, then received a party delegation in Moscow led by Asya Orman. At the same time, it was announced about the opening of the representative office of the Kurdish “Democratic Union” in the Russian capital.

Between these meetings was a very remarkable event. October 14 RIA "News"Reported that the Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the American ambassador to Turkey, John Bass, and the Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, and warned about the inadmissibility of military assistance to the Syrian Kurds.

As the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet writes later, Ankara is concerned that the weapon can be used by the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK), which is banned in Turkey, with which, according to the Turkish Foreign Ministry, the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union cooperates. The British agency Reuters, citing its high-ranking sources, will name the main reason for calling ambassadors. They were warned that Turkey would not put up with the advance of the Kurds to the Turkish border - that is, on the territory controlled by the militants of the Islamic terrorist group.

Perhaps this is the essence of the diplomatic demarche of the Turks. They knew about the supply of weapons before, but did not react to them. After all, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also made a statement at October 1 at his press conference: “We supply weapons to the Kurds through the Iraqi government, and in the information center established in Baghdad, which includes representatives of the military of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Russia, the Kurds are also there presented. (Quote by RIA "News").

Why does Russia supply weapons to the Syrian Kurds, said Russian President Vladimir Putin. He called on the Kurdish National Self-Defense Detachments to work with the government of Bashar al-Assad in the fight against the terrorist group that calls itself "Islamic State".

All this was public diplomacy. Direct interaction with the Supreme Committee of the Syrian Kurds, which in the conditions of the war in Syria took over the functions of the interim government in the Kurdish region of Rojava, began two days after the Turks shot down the Russian Su-24 and shot its pilot. Aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces began to bomb settlements on the Syrian-Turkish border controlled by Islamic militants - in particular, the town of Aziz and the checkpoint Bab al-Salam, through which ISIS is being supplied from Turkey. In addition, the Russian aviation inflicted a series of aerial attacks on Islamist positions in Deir Jemal, where the front line is now passing between the Syrian Kurds and the militants, the so-called moderate opposition, from the Free Syrian Army.

You can continue to give examples of Russian support for Kurdish troops. It is important that today, in full compliance with the request of the legitimate government of Syria for military assistance, the interests of Russia and the Supreme Committee of the Syrian Kurds coincided.

Four branches of one people

Speech, as we see, is exclusively about Syrian Kurds. Other groups of this ethnic group remain outside the brackets of current relations and hardly give Russia a reason to play geopolitics with "Kurdish maps."

The region, which is called Kurdistan, will stories divided between four countries - Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. It is formed from numerous tribal groups speaking different dialects of the Kurdish language. (Refers to the subgroup of Iranian languages.) Diverse among the Kurds and religious preferences. There are among them Yezidis, Shiites, Islam-Alevis, Christians, but most of them are Sunni Muslim.

All these differences are complemented by local characteristics and traditions of the countries in which the Kurds live. Therefore, I think, it is more correct to talk about the four branches of one people. Take, for example, the Iranian part of the ethnos. It has over five million people. According to the tradition established in the country, it is believed that these people are primarily Iranian citizens - as well as Armenians, Azeris, Turkmen, representatives of other nationalities.

Ayatollahs, to put it mildly, do not welcome the attention to the topic of national minorities and rigidly suppress politicians who defend the interests of certain groups of the population. It is not by chance that the Kurdish parties of Iran are mostly in the underground, and some even lodge in neighboring Iraq.

Here in Iraq, the most respected community of Kurds. Its leaders - the Barzani clan - comes from the Sufi sheikhs, who originated from the medieval emirs of the principality of Bahdinan. A major role in the history of Iraqi Kurds was played by their national leader Mustafa Barzani. After the Second World War, the neighbors, in the territory of Iranian Kurdistan, the Kurds managed to create the Mehabad Republic. Mustafa Barzani was the commander-in-chief of the army here.

The republic existed for less than a year. At the end of 1946, the Iranian authorities again took control of the territory, and the Kurdish leaders were executed. Mustafa Barzani, with 500-elite fighters, managed to flee to Azerbaijan, and from there the USSR authorities transferred them to Uzbekistan, where the Kurdish community, who had been evicted from the Soviet Transcaucasia, already lived in 1937. After the fall of the Mekhabad Republic, the Barzani family, together with the entire Barzan tribe, returned to Iraq. Mustafa will appear here only after the fall of the monarchy, in 1958 year.

The current president of Iraqi Kurdistan, Masood Barzani (who is also the chairman of the Democratic Party of Kurdistan), is the son of the legendary commander of the Kurds. Rod Barzani is represented today at the most important posts of this state entity. Kurdistan has its own armed forces (peshmerga) numbering over 100, with heavy armored vehicles (more than 000 tanks), artillery, small arms. Those who rely on this force should be reminded of Russia's support for the spreading Kurds, Saddam Hussein, and the Uzbek story of the parent of the incumbent president of Kurdistan. The oriental man Masoud Barzani does not complain of memory.

In Syria, Kurds are smaller than those of their eastern neighbors in Iraq. However, they constitute 15 percent of the country's population - the second largest. Syrian Kurds glance at Iraqi tribesmen and do not hide their desire to get the same autonomy. During the civil war, government forces left their territory. Now local Kurds have more political, military and economic autonomy, but the war does not yet allow the realization of plans for broad autonomy.

There is no due unity in the ethnos itself. As a well-known Turkish political scientist, Financial Times columnist Hakan Altinay, during the battle for the city of Kabany, ethnic Kurds fought on both sides of the front. Moreover, among the Islamic militants there were half of them. All this is a convincing warning to those whose fantasies about “Greater Kurdistan” may break in a new bloodshed due to spheres of influence, now not on a religious, but on an ethnic basis.

Even more confusing is the picture of ethnic Kurds in Turkey. According to the official information of the Turkish National Council, they constitute 18,7% of the country's population. Experts call another digit: 30-35 percent. The difference is explained quite simply. When Mustafa Kemal Ataturk formulated a national idea, he came up with a certain commonality - the Turkish people, which included representatives of all nationalities inhabiting the country: Ottomans, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians, Circassians, etc. For Ataturk (half Albanian, half Macedonian!) It was natural. Historians believe: such a reformatting of the consciousness of an entire people was the only way to preserve this people in principle. And they give an example - there was not a single ethnic Ottoman in the government of Ataturk. The consequences of that longstanding policy are affecting today.

In a sense, this can be compared with the Soviet period, when people, say, with Belarusian and Ukrainian roots and surnames, broke away from the root ethnos, and are now quite convinced of their Great Russian origin. Exactly the same happened with the Kurds, many of whom began to consider themselves Turks.

Kurds settled throughout Turkey. There are many of them in the capital and Istanbul, in large industrial centers. Among the Kurdish elite, there are secular people, and there are those who support conservative Islam, professed by the current leaders of Turkey. Nationalist tendencies predominate mainly in the east of the country, in regions close to Iran and Iraq. But even here, half of the population votes for the main Turkish parties. The second most popular in these places (after the PKK) is the party of the current Turkish president.


In short, the palette of the life of the Kurdish ethnic group is so diverse and multi-vector even in a single country, that from this patchwork quilt of interests, preferences, traditions and goals, it is not easy, if possible, to put together a coherent picture.

Therefore, those who like to play political poker on the Kurdish issue will be disappointed. Most likely, the geopolitical stake on the Kurds will not bring anything except chaos like the “Arab spring”. And Russia, as always, will have to rely on its own strength and to achieve goals that meet the national interests.
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  1. Private IITR
    Private IITR 3 December 2015 07: 11 New
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    Why was the state of Israel created, but not Kurdistan? Unfair i think
    1. ICT
      ICT 3 December 2015 07: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: Private ICU
      Why was the state of Israel created, but not Kurdistan?



      Four branches of one people


      I think everything is clear, if they were able to unite, then the state was already there, otherwise the PKK would be bombed in northern Iraq, but they don’t even discuss it, (I recall the parable about the broom)
      1. U-96
        U-96 3 December 2015 08: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: TIT
        I think everything is clear, if they could unite, then the state was already

        and why should they unite? The idea of ​​Kurdistan buried the PKK itself, abandoning the prospect of its construction. Iraqi Kurds got their autonomy. KDP steers and is not prohibited. What else is needed? Of course, there will be no Kurdistan, regardless of the outcome of the war in Syria. It exists in the inflamed brain. MIKHANand. By the way, where is he?
        1. Hello
          Hello 3 December 2015 10: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: U-96
          No Kurdistan, of course, will be independent of the outcome of the war in Syria.

          Perhaps it will be, but not one but several small Kurdistan people. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de facto independent. hi
          1. U-96
            U-96 3 December 2015 10: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Hello
            Iraqi Kurdistan is already de facto independent.

            I doubt, Ilya, that this can be called full independence, even though Barzani bargained for himself broad rights right up to his withdrawal from the squad. If Iraq does not break up, I think the Kurds will not leave it anywhere. More precisely, the Yankees will not agree, because, paradoxically, the Kurds are perhaps the only factor due to which Iraq has not yet collapsed. Kurds are fairly predictable, so they are easily controlled by the States.
          2. avt
            avt 3 December 2015 10: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Hello
            Perhaps it will be, but not one but several small Kurdistan people.

            Well, yes - something like Palestinization with its East Bank and Gaza will and they will be cut among themselves from the principle - ,, Javdet / Borzanitrus, Abdula Ocalan-warrior " laughing
            . Most likely, the geopolitical stake on the Kurds will bring nothing but chaos like the “Arab spring”.
            Actually, the “Turkic spring” with the massacre according to the Lebanese scenario and the involvement of outside players from Greece to Russia. The first time is there a transplantation? Do you have a sick person in Europe? Experience is also the largest in the Entente countries minus Russia, the Bolsheviks completely saved Turkey as a state.
            Therefore, fans of playing political poker on the Kurdish topic will be disappointed.
            By all means! Naturally, those who cannot ride the straits will be disappointed.
            And Russia, as always, will have to rely on its own forces and achieve its own goals that meet national interests.
            laughing And when in our history it was different ??? wassat
            1. U-96
              U-96 3 December 2015 10: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: avt
              Well, yes - something like Palestinization with its East Bank and Gaza will and they will be cut among themselves from the principle - ,, Javdet / Borzanitrus, Abdula Ocalan-warrior "

              Cameroon! from the language of what is called)) The Yankees are well-known schemers, Barzani, of course, unpleasantly surprised them by throwing a bang in 2003 and turning the presence of Iraq into a formality, but, I think, the States are quite competent in inspiring the clan squabble turning into a massacre .
              1. avt
                avt 3 December 2015 10: 54 New
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                Quote: U-96
                Yankees are famous schemers

                They have a campaign in power in the middle link, the “rebels” of the 60s, who were fond of marijuana and coke with Trotsky’s teachings on permanent revolution. Now, who haven’t cracked heroin, reached the heights of power and settled down with Marxism, they persecuted the permanent principle according to the Levant. In Syria Assad, with our help, broke the raspberries with them; only Turkey began to be a continuation requestWell don't stop the process then wassat So they took up the Kurds, again the Germans began to fuss, and they have pretty strong positions among the same borzanists. Here, pay attention to the video from Iraq - GDR Kalash often flashed. Erdogan was given a black mark - “Deposed”, but he did not notice the campaign.
                1. U-96
                  U-96 3 December 2015 11: 40 New
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                  Quote: avt
                  Now, who did not crack heroin, reaching the heights of power and calm down with Marxism

                  well, those who have been pricked by Marxism, I think there are quite a few among them, and even his version was adapted enough for the perception of the "children of war." All this leftist boom, when the boys directly from teenage masturbation switched to applied Maoistics, quickly came to naught) Sporadically, the phantom, of course, appears in Europe. By the way, kamerad, how's the news for you that Mein Kampf has been reprinted in Germany in 4 thousand copies. ind. With the comments of the Nazis. 59 euros. Buy horseradish, alas (
                  1. avt
                    avt 3 December 2015 12: 05 New
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                    Quote: U-96
                    . By the way, kamerad, how's the news for you that Mein Kampf has been reprinted in Germany in 4 thousand copies. ind. With the comments of the Nazis. 59 euros.

                    Normally, it fits into the general scheme of eliminating the Yalta "arrangement of the World. Ideology is needed - consumerism and pederatia are not such, but Nazism, and even against the backdrop of the Islamization of Europe, will roll with a bang.
                    Quote: U-96
                    . All this leftist boom

                    So I’m talking about that! Marxism has merged from the head - the ideology of consumption contributes to this very well, and the doctrine of permanent revolution is about the process by which they don’t give a damn about what sauce they spin in the Levant!
                    1. U-96
                      U-96 3 December 2015 12: 52 New
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                      Quote: avt
                      the doctrine of the permanent revolution - about the process that everyone, they do not care what sauce, twist to the full in the Levant!

                      absolutely! Islamized Trotskyism-Levantism. The old man of the Moor (if you remember, Karl had such a nickname with his family) did not even imagine where his ghost would bring when he was given a pendal from Europe laughing
      2. Wellych
        Wellych 3 December 2015 20: 55 New
        +1
        Kurdish poker has unclear prospects

        by the way ... the author can’t even imagine on what hands you can win sweat, the main thing is to be able to play and know who you are playing with.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 3 December 2015 09: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Private ICU
      Why was the state of Israel created, but not Kurdistan? Unfair i think


      Kurds need to be intensely helped exactly as long as it is beneficial for us ...
      1. U-96
        U-96 3 December 2015 10: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: sherp2015
        Kurds need to be intensely helped exactly as long as it is beneficial for us ...

        and with them, in fact, they always did just that, taking advantage of their predictability. They have always been good material for achieving goals. By the way, for some reason they are rarely mentioned in the context of the Armenian Genocide. The Turks then used them with their promises.
      2. Your friend
        Your friend 3 December 2015 12: 51 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        Quote: Private ICU
        Why was the state of Israel created, but not Kurdistan? Unfair i think


        Kurds need to be intensely helped exactly as long as it is beneficial for us ...

        Gold words.
    3. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 3 December 2015 09: 50 New
      0
      Why was the state of Israel created, but not Kurdistan?

      By this principle, it will be necessary to create many new states, for example, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Udmurtistan ...
      There will be chaos.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    S.V. Lavrov, In Belgrade, very tightened the topic of the Kurds. In order to provide them, and perhaps the commandos of the meriticos, to block the border in Syria with Turkey, in order to prevent "income" to Daesh in the person of Turkey.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 3 December 2015 09: 40 New
      +4
      "... hardly give the basis for Russia to play geopolitics with“ Kurdish maps. "

      In this sentence does not agree with the author.
      Grounds in geopolitics are categories that are somewhat broader and deeper than tools.
      If the Kurds ask and want help from Russia (by the way, like the legal successor of the USSR, where the "Kurdish idea" had a place to be), then it would be extremely foolish to refuse the offer of control over this regional force.
      And we don’t play geopolitics, author! We are her subject, creating history. And if we analyze the course of world history a little, we can come to the conclusion that the main events around Russia are developing.
      1. Atilag
        Atilag 3 December 2015 12: 03 New
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        Providing assistance does not mean that you control them. You can control the refrigerator in the kitchen, but not the Kurds.
    2. Atilag
      Atilag 3 December 2015 12: 01 New
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      When the Kurds need it, Turkey will open the corridor, as it is now happening, there’s nothing they have to do just stand to death so that the oil doesn’t pass, and they don’t give a damn about the interests of some Russians. They will accept weapons and help, but don’t look in the Kurds allies. These are eastern people, they will not observe anyone's interests except their own.
  3. sa-ag
    sa-ag 3 December 2015 07: 19 New
    +2
    Kurdish support could complicate relations with Iran
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 3 December 2015 10: 06 New
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      Quote: sa-ag
      Kurdish support could complicate relations with Iran

      "To block the Turkish-Syrian border, you can use US Kurds and special forces on land, but with the consent of Damascus". Such a statement was made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov ... reports TASS.
      http://zakonvremeni.ru/news/13-3-/24452-lavrov-predlozhil-perekryt-graniczu-siri
      ii-turczii-kurdami-i-specznazom-ssha.html
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 3 December 2015 07: 20 New
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    Quote: Private ICU
    Therefore, fans of playing political poker on the Kurdish topic will be disappointed.

    I do not agree. Now there is a chance to confuse Turkey with its own problems, having slightly moved away from big politics. So why not do it with the hands of the Kurds? The problem is very acute there, just as the day before yesterday there was again a raid of Turkish troops with the liquidation of active members of the PKK, an action of retaliation is required (are the bombings in Istanbul not from this series?). So you can play, at the moment, "Kurdish spring / winter / summer" is only at hand.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 3 December 2015 08: 03 New
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      You can play with the Kurds, but you need to understand that their goal is to create a single Kurdish state, i.e. redrawing borders. Nowadays, it is rare that the outlines of borders change without war, where protracted fighting will be guaranteed. And it is close to our borders. Actually because the Americans rushed to support the Kurds, for them it is a more unambiguous decision: you can divide the enemies: Syria and Iran, and put pressure on the not too accommodating ally Erdogan. Well, again, the war is near the borders of the enemy #1 of Russia, and religious extremism is inevitable following this. In general, as in the famous phrase about Herzen: the USA woke up Iraq, Iraq woke up ISIS, ISIS woke up the Kurds and launched Islamic propaganda. So the Kurdish map is really not so straightforward.
      1. good7
        good7 3 December 2015 08: 51 New
        +3
        Well, actually, all the believers in the war, only Turkey really wants to reformat the world order and Chechnya has badly spoiled us, so freedom for the Kurdish people and material help!
        1. Atilag
          Atilag 3 December 2015 13: 31 New
          +1
          Properly, very carefully and competently, you need to help and remember that the Kurdish Kurdish discord.
      2. U-96
        U-96 3 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Nikolai K
        but you need to understand that their goal is to create a single Kurdish state

        Yes, they don’t have such a goal, why did you get it? Give at least one program document of the PKK or KDP, where such a goal would sound. The only form acceptable to them is autonomy. Therefore, they will take the side of their sovereign, as proved in Syria and Iraq. With Turkey, of course, it is different.
    2. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 3 December 2015 09: 54 New
      +2
      Our Kurds are already working - yesterday Solovyov gave information.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 3 December 2015 07: 31 New
    +5
    And Russia, as always, will have to rely on its own forces and achieve its own goals that meet national interests.


    But it was different.

    Did the Bulgarians help in their time and what do we have now? ... a NATO member who, with the 5th amendment, NATO will fight with us ...
    such is se la vi.
    1. good7
      good7 3 December 2015 08: 58 New
      0
      I think NATO will soon have its entertainment above the roof like ours! Au Turks just build a landing fleet and fly into the airspace of Greece, and the exercises with Azerbaijan, the Armenians must hastily rearm otherwise 1915. on the doorstep?
    2. Atilag
      Atilag 3 December 2015 13: 50 New
      +1
      Bulgarians and Romanians and Greeks, all defended, we now have plus three countries in NATO.
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 3 December 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      Bulgarians even before NATO, that in the I, that in the II MV, they fought with us as part of anti-Russian unions.
      And before that, in the Balkan wars against the Slavs (Serbia) and the Greeks (first in alliance, then against allies). Read, be surprised.
      The main reason is the leadership of the country, up to the hirelings and proteges.

      Nothing, received and calmed down.
      Reformatted.
      Not only do we have claims against the Bulgarian little brothers.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 3 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +7
    Syrian Kurds, said that they are for autonomy within Syria, and for a united Syria .. And they are ready to work closely with the Assad government ... At least, such an infa was in the internet
    1. ICT
      ICT 3 December 2015 08: 02 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      Syrian Kurds said they are for autonomy within Syria,


      and the sign of the postcard signs wink
  7. dmikras
    dmikras 3 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +4
    “In a sense, this can be compared with the Soviet period, when people, say, with Belarusian, Ukrainian roots and surnames broke away from the root ethnic group, and are now quite convinced of their Great Russian origin” in these words didn’t quite understand the author, he studied history at all or writes so specifically
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 3 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +1
      Ponyaihaly Ukrainians, all the fat of Zylya, we indigenous people even life look dumb them.
  8. Bvg132
    Bvg132 3 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +7
    Assad must by all means fully attract the Syrian Kurds to his side. There is only one way to do this - to offer autonomy to the Syrian Kurds (as in Iraq). Then the border with Turkey will be securely closed.
  9. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 3 December 2015 08: 03 New
    0
    In a sense, this can be compared with the Soviet period, when people, say, with Belarusian and Ukrainian roots and surnames, broke away from the root ethnos, and are now quite convinced of their Great Russian origin. Exactly the same happened with the Kurds, many of whom began to consider themselves Turks.

    Was the article written for the sake of this phrase?
  10. Riv
    Riv 3 December 2015 08: 09 New
    +1
    It seems the Kurds will nevertheless gnaw autonomy for themselves. However, one territory is not enough. In Europe, the same thing happened when the Balkan peoples gained independence. Russia paid for it with the blood of its soldiers, and Europe received a "powder magazine". Not only did the freshly baked countries immediately brawl among themselves and with the same Turkey, they also provoked the First World War.
    I wonder what they think in this regard in Israel?
    1. U-96
      U-96 3 December 2015 08: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      It seems the Kurds will nevertheless gnaw autonomy for themselves.

      Hypothetically - one of the conditions of our gesheft with Assad is his consent to the widespread post-war reforms. I think this means finding a solution to the Kurds. However, it seems unlikely that they will be satisfied with any decision made. The people are professionally unhappy. They don’t need Kurdistan - Kurdish statehood is from the realm of fantasy.
    2. Dilshat
      Dilshat 3 December 2015 09: 11 New
      +3
      In Israel, they have long thought and thought over and now they (the Israelis) are wetting the Arabs with the help of the Arabs.
      1. U-96
        U-96 3 December 2015 09: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Dilshat
        In Israel, they have long thought and thought over and now they (the Israelis) are wetting the Arabs with the help of the Arabs.

        and rightly so. Although you will not deny that the Jews directly took part in mixing with Arabs more than once.
    3. Atilag
      Atilag 3 December 2015 14: 07 New
      +1
      There is no force in the region to threaten Israel, and there has never been peace in the Middle East; there people are always ready for war, those who are not ready have long been in the land.
  11. Belousov
    Belousov 3 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +6
    Assad and I don’t have critical contradictions with the Kurds (as far as I remember, they didn’t seem to have fought and lived quite peacefully), so there is a very real opportunity to agree on all issues. In addition, the main enemy of the Kurds is still the Turks, and this should be played.
  12. Snail N9
    Snail N9 3 December 2015 09: 15 New
    +6
    The author wrote a strange article. According to his article, it turns out that Kurds are a type of Muslims of different "sense" and nothing more, but this is not at all the case. Even if you look at the photo at the beginning of the article, you can see how a Kurdish woman with arms and bare hands walks ahead of an armed column of men — this is basically impossible among Muslims. But the fact is that the Kurds are forcibly converted to Islam pagans of the Zoroastrian sense. And as they were, they remain "pagans." Moreover, in some parts of "Kurdistan" there are also vestiges of the "matriarchy", and slavery is also flourishing. It is impossible to look at Kurds as at certain "revolutionaries" who are fighting ISIS-DAISH, Turkey, etc., for the creation of their own state of "universal justice." From time immemorial, Kurds were robbers and robbers on the paths of caravans and other warlike tribes living at the expense of robbing neighbors. Do you think their morale has changed now? No matter how. Have you thought about how the Independent Kurdistan State is going to exist, if it is created? On the territory for which the Kurds fight, there are huge mineral deposits of which they are going to mine the Kurds at the first stage. And you think that the Kurds themselves will climb into the mines and work there until the seventh sweat? No matter how, slaves will work there. Secondly, the Kurds are going to take money for the transit of gas and oil from the emirates, Syria, Iraq and Iran to feed their "state" and therefore, again, this is not profitable for us, it makes no sense to facilitate and improve transport corridors for competing supplies hydrocarbons and gas.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 3 December 2015 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Snail N9
      To feed their "state", the Kurds are going to take money for the transit of gas and oil from the emirates, Syria, Iraq and Iran, and therefore, again, this is not profitable for us, it makes no sense to facilitate and improve transport corridors for competing supplies of hydrocarbons and gas.


      This means that the aerospace forces should work in accordance with our plans for the transportation of oil and other flows
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 3 December 2015 10: 20 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        This means that the aerospace forces should work in accordance with our plans for the transportation of oil and other flows

        Does something fall for you from this oil and gas gesheft? Are you a shareholder of Gazprom or what?
    2. Simple
      Simple 3 December 2015 11: 49 New
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      Quote: Snail N9
      pagans of the Zoroastrian sense.



      Most of all, hanging labels like "Gentiles."

      Who are they?

      There are people who believe or disbelieve.
      1. forest park 86
        forest park 86 3 December 2015 18: 35 New
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        Well, it's like Baptists or Hare Krishnas, probably. They seem to believe, but you won’t understand what.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 3 December 2015 23: 59 New
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          In fact, the term "pagans" came from the Bible and there, this term refers to people who believe in "polytheism," such as the "right" religion should be based on faith in one, "one" god. By the way, Catholics for a long time considered (and still believe) us preaching the Orthodox religion as pagan schismatics, on the grounds that Orthodoxy is based on faith in the "holy trinity" - that is, in "polytheism."
  13. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 3 December 2015 09: 26 New
    +3
    And I think that the hopes that are placed on the Kurds, in large parts of them, are in vain.
  14. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 3 December 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    What did the author want to say? Does it come to us to sit and wait? Or all the same, help the Kurds and form a united front with the Syrian army? It's like in a joke do not go there too.
  15. aviator1913
    aviator1913 3 December 2015 09: 47 New
    +1
    The Kurdish problem and the war connected with it is likely to begin after the defeat of ISIS and the separation of Syria (Alawite Syria, Sunni state, Rojava Kurdish), and Iraq (Sunite state, Shiite Iraq, Rojava Kurdish). In this war, Iran and Turkey will iron the Kurds, the PKK and the United States will help the Kurds. WE probably will not participate.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 3 December 2015 09: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: aviator1913
      The Kurdish problem and the war connected with it is likely to begin after the defeat of ISIS and the separation of Syria (Alawite Syria, Sunni state, Rojava Kurdish), and Iraq (Sunite state, Shiite Iraq, Rojava Kurdish). In this war, Iran and Turkey will iron the Kurds, the PKK and the United States will help the Kurds. WE probably will not participate.


      All life consists of solving any problems. God forbid, first deal with ISIS and the following problems will be solved as always as they arrive ...
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 3 December 2015 12: 33 New
        +1
        I agree. In my opinion, instead of ISIS, a semi-secular, semi-Islamic Sunite state will be formed, which will lure fans of black flags. Unfortunately, Daish’s strength here is not only in military force, but also in the fact that they are supported by the local people, who are tired of bribe takers and thieves from the Shiite government of Iraq and from the Alawites of Assad. The population of the Islamic State increases, due to the fact that people from the border regions are moving to them, these are not my words, these are the words of the special representative of the Foreign Ministry in the Middle East. For the Sunni tribes, an alternative to the IG is needed, and it urgently needs to be created, otherwise they cannot be defeated.
  16. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 3 December 2015 09: 49 New
    +3
    But for Daish Kurds there is danger, as well as for Syrians.
    To destroy Daish it is necessary to combine efforts.
    Moreover, when today it is already clear that Turkey + Daish + opposition (armed) are branches of one structure, which aim to destroy the secular state of Syria.
    And the United States and the West are more likely to cover this alliance or show neutrality, although they advocate the fight against terrorism. Actual intervention by the forces of the Western alliance will only worsen the situation in Syria. The West and the United States do not even need to be allowed, they are now climbing there to grab a large chunk under the guise of winners.
    For peace to come to the country, it is necessary to coordinate the efforts of all the forces that are really opposed to terrorism, and the Kurds must be a force significant in the fight against terrorism.
  17. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 3 December 2015 09: 56 New
    0
    Assad does not want to give autonomy to the Kurds, because they live in oil fields and not only.
    Business - and nothing personal.
  18. nik1321
    nik1321 3 December 2015 10: 09 New
    +2
    the article is the result of a complete misunderstanding of what to do and insolvency of something to this day on the topic of Kurds !!! Of course it’s easier to sell Russian resources gas oil, etc. and when prices are still high - you don’t have much mind - and judging by trade deals like Turkish there was no flow of mind there .. Let’s look differently how the Americans were able to quarrel Russia with Georgia ... or Ukraine! What, in principle, should not be - they got their independence for nothing. But they did it. and it’s not necessary to act for Assassins as for Assad, to fight. Let the Kurds figure out who they are and what they are in the same Turkey .. And two different things when they figure it out on their own or help them - even behind the scenes .. Erdogan has enough problems .And so far, everything resembles Aesop's fable - Fox and grapes. the fox jumped and could not get a bunch of grapes, therefore, she said that it was clear that the grapes were green ...
    And when the author says - “do it yourself with your own hands to achieve goals that meet national interests.” - I’m afraid he doesn’t plan to go to war in Syria ... “because with his own hands” it’s not with his hands ..
    1. Atilag
      Atilag 3 December 2015 14: 13 New
      +2
      Show me those who voluntarily want to protect "interests" in Syria. it is still unknown what interests and whose are they?
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: U-96
    The states are quite competent in inspiring the clan squabble turning into a massacre.

    It is hard to disagree with you. In this matter, the United States has a really good hand.
  20. Simple
    Simple 3 December 2015 11: 06 New
    +1
    This is how the Yezidi Kurds live and fight.


  21. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 3 December 2015 11: 30 New
    +1
    Kurdish poker has unclear prospects
    Well, poker may have uncertain, but probably the formation by the Kurds of a state in Iraq and autonomy in Syria have very real prospects.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 December 2015 11: 39 New
      +2
      If they wanted, they would have long formed their
      state. Nobody bothers them to proclaim
      and contact the UN for approval.
      But, apparently, they have internal reasons not to do this.
      1. Simple
        Simple 3 December 2015 12: 02 New
        +1
        Not in the subject, but:

        There are disagreements between the Kurds themselves (between ethnic groups that have lived in different states for too long, their mentality), and the fact that the formation of “non-states” in the general sense is beneficial for someone.
  22. Wolka
    Wolka 3 December 2015 12: 14 New
    0
    I see a way out only in the subsequent federalization of both Syria and Iraq with the autonomy of the Kursk component, with a clear separation of secular power and faith, faith can be present in power but not determine its regime of government
  23. ayaz
    ayaz 3 December 2015 13: 27 New
    -1
    There is propaganda and there is analytics. So here is the real alignment of the Kurds. without euphoria and hatred, as in the previous article about Azerbaijan!
    Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran are not a single whole. Rather, even the other way around! And as for the calls to arm the Kurds against Turkey, let Russia not forget about the United States and Al Qaeda how it ended.
  24. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 December 2015 14: 28 New
    +4
    Kurdish poker is not understood only by those who are not going to understand.
    In the 90s, on the advice of Primakov, the Kremlin betrayed and sold the Turkish Kurds, their chief was imprisoned (and is still being held) in a Turkish prison. Then “ours” decided to make friends with the Turks, and in general it was fashionable to hand over all the friends of the union to “Western partners”. Friendship with Turkey continued until last year, one of the subordinates decided to make the Armenian Lavrov pleasantly and Putin read out a speech about the Armenian Genocide, immediately all the pots broke, and "ours" decided to be friends with the Kurds again. But nothing stands still, the Americans have long picked up the Kurds and they have already grown up a whole generation that clearly knows that the Russian traitors and friends of the Turks. Therefore, the current round of “friendship” between Russia and the Kurds will not deceive anyone, everyone understands that the Kremlin does not care about the Kurds, it’s just that, it’s just a hairpin to the Turks. those. The Kurds will accept any help and will communicate anything for it, but in reality it will not give anything, their friends have them in Washington.
  25. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 3 December 2015 17: 23 New
    +1
    In the foreseeable future, only Iraqi Kurdistan, which is in good, I would say, allied relations with Turkey, has prospects for independence. that is why they have such a prospect. and all the Yezidis, Communists and anarchists from the RPK, Iraqi Kurdistan in the person of the PDK and Barzani does not perceive their own, rather, as enemies. Moreover, the KDP even secretly approved ethnic cleansing in the Yezidi regions of northern Iraq, which were "merged" with Ishilovites under the control of Turkey and the states.
    The Yezidis and the Democratic Forces easily shoot at each other.
    Igilov’s oil traffic to Turkey partially flows through Iraqi Kurdistan, and most likely through their pipelines.
    so you can draw maps of the great Kurdistan as much as you like, but there will only be one that was approved by the states and Turkey. Barzani understands this and does not mind.
  26. D. Dan
    D. Dan 3 December 2015 20: 54 New
    0
    I think the last paragraph of the article describes exactly how the prospect of supporting Kurdistan is described.
    Therefore, those who like to play political poker on the Kurdish issue will be disappointed. Most likely, the geopolitical stake on the Kurds will not bring anything except chaos like the “Arab spring”. And Russia, as always, will have to rely on its own strength and to achieve goals that meet the national interests.

    We took over Syria, so we need to finish, the horses at the crossing do not change ....
  27. Kostyam
    Kostyam 3 December 2015 21: 28 New
    +1
    Kurds caught ISIS in Iraq

  28. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 3 December 2015 23: 50 New
    +2
    and here is the confirmation of my words about the allied relations of Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan
    The images published by the Russian Ministry of Defense show tankers transporting oil from Iraqi Kurdistan to Turkey, and not the cars of the Islamic State grouping banned in Russia.
    According to the newspaper Daily Sabah, the chairman of the energy committee of the Iraqi Kurdistan parliament, Sherko Javdat, said.
    “Our Ministry of Natural Resources has previously announced that hundreds of oil carriers are delivering oil from Kurdistan to Turkey. Russia's explanations are based on incorrect sources. We categorically reject Russian accusations, ”Javdat said.
  29. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 December 2015 23: 51 New
    +1
    While there is no leader / idea capable of uniting an ethnic group into a single people, it is futile to think of a single state. Even when this ethnic group is united territorially.
    Here the Jews had and have such an idea.
    And then, they formed their state only after almost 2000 years from the moment of their dispersion.