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The Turkish military attache was summoned to the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, and the deputy speaker of the Italian Senate accused Turkey of joining the war on the side of ISIS

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Press Service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation spreads the message that the military attache of Turkey was called to the country's main defense department in connection with a strike by the Turkish Air Force on a Russian plane that participated in counter-terrorism activities in Syria. From the message of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Russia:


Today at 9:30 a Russian plane, performing combat missions to combat terrorism, was shot down by a Turkish air force. The Russian plane did not cross the Turkish border and acted solely on objects in Syria. Fighting Russian aviation were fought against illegal terrorist groups, which include a large number of militants from the North Caucasus of Russia.


Attempts by specialists from the Russian Ministry of Defense to organize interaction with the Turkish side in the emergency communication line were unsuccessful.

The following is a very mild statement for the status of the defense department:
We consider the actions of the Turkish Air Force as unfriendly act.


The wording softer in this situation is extremely difficult to come up with ...

The Turkish military attache was summoned to the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, and the deputy speaker of the Italian Senate accused Turkey of joining the war on the side of ISIS


The Ministry of Defense continues:
Currently, the Russian Ministry of Defense is developing a set of measures to respond to such incidents.
The fighting against terrorists in Syria will continue.


Today striking a Russian plane is one of the main topics for discussion in different countries. For example, in Italy, the Deputy Chairman of the Senate, Roberto Calderoli, commenting on what happened, called Turkey "the Trojan horse of the radical Islamists, which they use to shoot at the West." According to Roberto Calderoli, Turkey today officially entered the war on the side of ISIS.
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  1. Kimblee
    Kimblee 24 November 2015 19: 27 New
    225
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 24 November 2015 19: 28 New
      85
      Unfriendly Act?!?!?!

      The same thing that they shoot you in the forehead, and you say that this is some kind of unfriendly act! Turn around and leave with a shot head, like - "I'll think about it! How to be next? I don’t know!"
      In nature, there’s nothing left to think!

      Attempts by specialists from the Russian Ministry of Defense to organize interaction with the Turkish side in the emergency communication line were unsuccessful.
      Here are the bastards! Sneaky knife hit in the back and in the bushes!
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 24 November 2015 19: 37 New
        80
        Creatures Turks, because of cheap oil is that? I think here is not only oil. Yes, and the mattresses rather tried, stopudovo
        1. sever.56
          sever.56 24 November 2015 19: 40 New
          210
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/239/icqc576.png

          Evgeny Satanovsky today at Soloviev ...
          I would add: - expand the Bosphorus
          so that it becomes the Bosphorus ... !!!
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 24 November 2015 19: 43 New
            91
            Unfriendly act in 9: 30! now 19: 42! And where is the gap in diplomatic relations? Foreign Ministry notes? Convocation of the UN Security Council !?
            1. Koshak
              Koshak 24 November 2015 19: 52 New
              92
              Quote: Baikonur
              Unfriendly act in 9: 30! now 19: 42! And where is the gap in diplomatic relations? Foreign Ministry notes? Convocation of the UN Security Council !?

              And where is the open airfield from which that F-16 took off?
              1. PQ-18
                PQ-18 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
                53
                And where is the open airfield from which that F-16 took off?

                Why so rude and primitive?
                you can quietly and quietly hunt for Turkish planes approaching the Syrian border "from the ground" ... and their fragments GUARANTEED will fall on Syrian territory!
                (true, in the beginning, you need to clean up the territory adjacent to the border)
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 24 November 2015 20: 06 New
                  65
                  From the text of the article
                  Turkey today officially entered the war on the side of ISIS.

                  This is to be expected personally from Erdogan himself - a political adventurer and businessman.
                  Erdogan has his own oil raider business (they already wrote about this) - he, in fact, raids (robs) for himself personally in his pocket, and for Turkey, too, oil in Syria with the help of ISIS paramilitary units. Russia, with its Turkish stream, could not have Erdogan reimbursed his raider excess profits from his commercial oil business. Therefore, negotiations between Turkey and the Russian Federation ended unsuccessfully. Moreover, the struggle of Syria and Russia against ISIS is a struggle against the raider business of Erdogan himself. (In fact, Erdogan is a high-ranking raider bandit.)More classics said that there is no such crime that the capitalist would not commit for the sake of his superprofits. Therefore, Erdogan, having bitten a bit, openly got involved with Russia in the war for his business, using the Turkish Armed Forces for personal purposes. And the Americans will look at all this on the principle of “My hut from the edge - I don’t know anything!” And rub their handles with pleasure. Their war between Turkey and Russia is quite satisfied. Erdogan will lose everything.
                  Oil prices in the world market will rise. And Europe, the Italians as well, will pay for it and for the new refugees.
                  1. krot
                    krot 24 November 2015 20: 40 New
                    22
                    Well, the campaign begins the predicted third world !? Or will it only cost the destruction of Turkey?
                    1. vsoltan
                      vsoltan 25 November 2015 00: 40 New
                      -14
                      krot

                      Yes, it began, with 30, September ... You overslept ...
                      1. vsoltan
                        vsoltan 27 November 2015 18: 56 New
                        0
                        Dumb ... forum users, do not you understand? They threw some cons ... a dog with them, but meanwhile, the third world is already coming ...
                    2. Charik
                      Charik 25 November 2015 02: 19 New
                      -15
                      Armageddon - a war that will begin soon. Prophecies of the Elder Paisius the Holy Mountaineer
                      1. Mahmut
                        Mahmut 25 November 2015 05: 36 New
                        10
                        Armageddon - a war that will begin soon. Prophecies of the Elder Paisius the Holy Mountaineer,

                        Erdogandon is a war that has already begun. Prophecies Strelkova.
                      2. Allitet
                        Allitet 25 November 2015 22: 47 New
                        +1
                        Erdogan is a bastard, so crap, and we believed him!
                2. Valiich
                  Valiich 25 November 2015 21: 44 New
                  +2
                  I think Russia gives everything right! Competently, clearly, without unnecessary emotion. It will not come to military action. And Erdogan, as you rightly noted, “bit a bit,” he really is “a horse”, but not a trojan, but a pedal. With such a policy that he leads, indeed with his help he was preparing or is preparing to strike in the west. Putin at the UN assembly said "... they are not fools either, and it is not known who uses whom," Erdogan uses both the USA and NATO and ISIS, such a multi-layered reusable teacher's guard in the end. The United States is happy with everything that is bad for Russia. Turks are like cannon fodder for them, even now with a sweetheart.
              2. Max_Bauder
                Max_Bauder 24 November 2015 20: 13 New
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                Quote: PQ-18
                you can quietly and quietly hunt for Turkish aircraft


                it is necessary to totally fight the Turks, to crush both economically and the support of the Kurds, to meet their leaders in Moscow as representatives of the liberation movement, in short all the same that they did against Russia, covering the "Czechs".
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 25 November 2015 00: 14 New
                  20
                  It is time to unfurl the banners of Suvorov and General Skobelev. The Turks apparently completely forgot that they always raked from Russia. Absolutely fear lost. Critters.
                  1. goose
                    goose 25 November 2015 14: 37 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Orionvit
                    The Turks apparently completely forgot that they always raked from Russia. Absolutely fear lost. Critters.

                    they didn’t forget, it’s just that since that time there have been 3 times more Turks and less Russians.
                    1. Down House
                      Down House 25 November 2015 15: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: goose
                      it’s just that since then, there have been 3 times more Turks, and less Russians.

                      Have you gathered melee, or will we still take into account the firepower of modern armies?
              3. iliitchitch
                iliitchitch 24 November 2015 20: 57 New
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                Quote: PQ-18
                Why so rude and primitive?
                you can quietly and quietly hunt for Turkish planes approaching the Syrian border "from the ground" ... and their fragments GUARANTEED will fall on Syrian territory!
                (true, in the beginning, you need to clean up the territory adjacent to the border)


                I agree with you. They expect immediate sharp movements from us. Before throwing axes, tourists should be pulled out from there, only then the ambassador’s response, to turn off ANY cooperation, but for now to hammer the oil refineries and caravans of bogeyers. These tchurki specifically planted a bullet in their liver, they flew every Fifteenth fleet to them, but not tomorrow morning. And what will happen to their economy ... Another mongrel will be, which no one at point blank sees.
              4. Good me
                Good me 24 November 2015 21: 16 New
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                Quote: PQ-18
                Why so rude and primitive?


                Indeed, let’s answer intelligently and liberally on a plane shot down ABOVE THE SYRIAN TERRITORY, ALREADY CONFIRMED BY one of the pilots, the unclear fate of the second, hit by fire from the ground, and subsequently destroyed by mortar fire of terrorists during an unsuccessful attempt to conduct a search and rescue operation DESTRUCTION of our marine ...

                Is it BLACK DAY, today for our operation in Syria, for which someone should answer in full?

                And including from our side, those who planned and conducted the search and rescue operation, and sending no less armored Mi 24 to the active combat zone, albeit phenomenally tenacious, but pierced through from the Mi-8 small arms ...
              5. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 21: 35 New
                22
                once again convinced - Shary fumbles.
              6. Drmadfisher
                Drmadfisher 25 November 2015 01: 27 New
                -1
                to all divan troops "LIBERATE, LOSE", without you will understand
              7. Spectator
                Spectator 25 November 2015 07: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: PQ-18
                and their wreckage will be GUARANTEED to fall on Syrian territory!
                (true, in the beginning, you need to clean up the territory adjacent to the border)

                At the same time, move the border towards Ankara so that all take-off planes immediately fall into Syrian airspace and are subject to destruction))
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            3. ancient
              ancient 24 November 2015 22: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: Koshak
              And where is the open airfield from which that F-16 took off?


              And there still Amer’s Needles are now based .. something else is necessary ... like Satanovsky suggests.
              But ours is ... "not a friendly act" ... "MEASURES ARE DEVELOPED now" belay ..... ale garage ... just don’t get used to it, that it’s not AIRADARTS and “window dressing at SHOW” ????
          2. kadochnikov
            kadochnikov 24 November 2015 19: 53 New
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            What are you talking about? The Yeltsin business center is opening in Yekaterinburg, and the president, together with the prime minister and the daughter of the first president, are going to open it. With all due respect to them all, but in a situation essentially an act of military aggression, this is absolutely not a relevant event worthy of the attention of the country's top leadership.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 24 November 2015 20: 03 New
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              Quote: kadochnikov
              With all due respect to them all, but in a situation essentially an act of military aggression, this is absolutely not a relevant event worthy of the attention of the country's top leadership.

              I would say that this event is worthy of attention only of the family of the Alcoholic of All Russia, Chubais and a dozen uninhabited Chubais. Well, also "Yehu Moscow" - information support.
              1. Oprychnik
                Oprychnik 24 November 2015 20: 42 New
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                Yes. A trifle. 7 billion for this business.
                1. Lera Tagan
                  Lera Tagan 24 November 2015 20: 50 New
                  45
                  Why is this subhuman still not doused with paint slops !!!
                  1. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 25 November 2015 00: 08 New
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                    kadochnikov
                    What are you talking about? Yekaterinburg opens a business center named after Yeltsin and


                    as said Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) commenting on this event
                    “This is what a museum looks like in which I will never go myself and bring my relatives.” Is that only if it burns.

                    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2488750.html#comments

                    you can’t say better!
                2. Roman13
                  Roman13 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
                  +8
                  Near the monument, the sculptors forgot to place a couple of bottles of vodka.
                  1. anderles66
                    anderles66 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
                    +6
                    Yes, and open a wine and vodka store there :) And the sculpture had to be like this: as he conducted the German orchestra.
                3. avtotekhnik
                  avtotekhnik 26 November 2015 13: 03 New
                  +2
                  He still lacks a "bubble" in his hands)))
            2. Soviet Union
              Soviet Union 24 November 2015 20: 08 New
              64
              Quote: kadochnikov
              Yeltsin business center

              you can fuck ... business center named after Beni drunk ... no words ...
              1. vsoltan
                vsoltan 25 November 2015 00: 42 New
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                Yes, just another rudeness of power ..
                1. Constructor1
                  Constructor1 25 November 2015 05: 15 New
                  +8
                  We survived, they erect monuments to the state traitors and open centers ..
                  No one has done so much harm to Russia as the humpback and Yeltsin. And I looked at the news and immediately understood everything - who built it? showed an interview with a representative of an American company developer !!! Well then, everything became clear, as much as was stolen and taken out during the fight, they erected all this to the "small" part of the stolen am
            3. Oleg56.ru
              Oleg56.ru 24 November 2015 20: 17 New
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              What is the life of two pilots compared to such an "important" fucking event.
              1. Sterlya
                Sterlya 24 November 2015 22: 35 New
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                Quote: Oleg56.ru
                What is the life of two pilots compared to such an "important" fucking event.

                I thought they would soon dig up to drive an aspen stake into the coffin ...
            4. Roman13
              Roman13 25 November 2015 08: 55 New
              10
              But how can you call something by the name of this old alcoholic, in which Russia was just a laughing stock. My name E.B.N will always be associated only with the 90s, years of devastation, the decline of the army and the decline of the morale of our nation.
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          5. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 20: 35 New
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            Quote: Baikonur
            Unfriendly act in 9: 30! now 19: 42! And where is the gap in diplomatic relations? Foreign Ministry notes? Convocation of the UN Security Council !?

            Take your time to unleash a formal war when you can do no less harm without declaring war. The Turks have something to lose, which means there is a weak spot and not one. Military assistance to Kurdish rebels, for example, is not a declaration of war. The Americans are so constantly acting against Russia.
            1. Mama_Cholli
              Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 21: 42 New
              -6
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Quote: Baikonur
              Unfriendly act in 9: 30! now 19: 42! And where is the gap in diplomatic relations? Foreign Ministry notes? Convocation of the UN Security Council !?

              Take your time to unleash a formal war when you can do no less harm without declaring war. The Turks have something to lose, which means there is a weak spot and not one. Military assistance to Kurdish rebels, for example, is not a declaration of war. The Americans are so constantly acting against Russia.

              Alex, yes enough to reassure ... all the more not knowing the topic!
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 22: 52 New
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                Quote: Mama_Cholli
                Alex, yes enough to reassure ... all the more not knowing the topic!

                I am not reassuring anyone. Simply, Russia will solve all these issues diplomatically and from the UN rostrum. But this is a long story. No one in Russia will declare war on Turkey. But to harm Turkey and show that it will lose more than its planes, that it can’t see gas either Russian or Azerbaijani. That electronic warfare systems will completely make their air defense systems blind. Tourism has already begun to wither, well, who wants to be in a Turkish concentration camp. Syrian oil or from other countries through oil pipelines they also can not see. Russia will begin to help Kurds even more. There are many non-diplomatic methods of punishing Turkey. Armenia, for example, dreams of revenge on the Turks, etc.
                And the second one. What does "all the more not knowing the topic" mean? Are you on the Syrian front or are you in the Russian Foreign Ministry? Or maybe you are our scout, who is always in the know?
                1. Platonich
                  Platonich 25 November 2015 04: 58 New
                  +9
                  Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Great Comment +++++
                2. ordinary
                  ordinary 25 November 2015 05: 52 New
                  +9
                  Alexey .. Respect for the correct and balanced position drinks
                3. Mama_Cholli
                  Mama_Cholli 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
                  +1
                  Alexei, in six months we’ll look at the Gazprom pipe, then we’ll draw conclusions. So far, all you have said is your personal subjective opinion. Although I really want you to be right.

                  And whoever dreams of something, such as revenge, is their own business. In any case, dreaming is not harmful, but there is little sense in it.

                  For example, I think that all of yesterday’s statements by our Moscow Defense Forces are an empty concussion. For example: An attack on any aircraft (including a Turkish one) that flies across the Syrian border will automatically be regarded as an attack on a NATO bloc, with all the consequences ... In order to throw such words, you must first obtain consent (official) from the Syrian authorities on closing the state’s borders for the flight of foreign aircraft belonging to the coalition (except for Russian ones). Only in this case would we have the opportunity to attack Turkish aircraft over Syrian territory. It used to be scratched.
                  But the Turks shot down our plane even over the territory of another country, so what? But there was nothing and will never be.
                  Sponsorship of the Kurds by Russia will be regarded worldwide as sponsorship of terrorists, with all the ensuing consequences. You must understand the policy of double standards in the modern world.
                  What other suggestions will you have on the case?
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 25 November 2015 15: 25 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Mama_Cholli
                    Sponsorship of the Kurds by Russia will be regarded worldwide as sponsorship of terrorists, with all the ensuing consequences. You must understand the policy of double standards in the modern world.

                    We understand!
                    And the only way to deal with this “policy” is to simply ignore these very “second standards”!
              2. Serhio
                Serhio 25 November 2015 02: 14 New
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                Well, why? Regarding the support of the Kurds, Alexei absolutely correctly says that it can be very painful to punish Turkey. Up to depriving part of the territory. Plus it would be nice to seek recognition of the Armenian genocide through the UN. With material compensation. For example, the genocide of Jews by Germany.
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            3. SOKOL777
              SOKOL777 24 November 2015 23: 58 New
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              Quote: Алексей_К
              Military assistance to Kurdish rebels


              You are thinking in the right direction.
              Only ours needs to do everything silently, not to PR in the media, everyone will understand everything.
              It would be nice if Assad would agree with the Kurds on the creation of autonomy on the territory of Syria (an official statement is needed).
              There, Turkish Kurds will catch up ...

              TURKEY HAS SIGNED A SENTENCE TO HIMSELF! This is the case when easy money from oil muddied the mind.

              It’s quite hard for us now.
              But the “Turkish stream” must be abandoned. The Turks will create more transit problems than Ukraine.

              As for the counter-aircraft, it is necessary to take. And no indulgences to anyone.

              We all need to learn the main thing.
              The war in the Middle East is flaring up, and we are its participants.
              1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                BLACK-SHARK-64 25 November 2015 00: 55 New
                +5
                Turkey should not be on the map .... am
                1. JAJAJA
                  JAJAJA 27 November 2015 00: 19 New
                  0
                  It will be soon!
                  in your life!
              2. andrew42
                andrew42 25 November 2015 10: 37 New
                0
                The main thing is silently.
            4. avdkrd
              avdkrd 25 November 2015 00: 10 New
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              Quote: Алексей_К
              Take your time to unleash a formal war when you can do no less harm without declaring war. The Turks have something to lose, which means there is a weak spot and not one. Military assistance to Kurdish rebels, for example, is not a declaration of war. The Americans are so constantly acting against Russia.

              War is an uncomfortable and expensive thing, but there are times when war is better ... The organizers of the provocation are just counting on a relatively mild reaction. The purpose of the provocation is to show the insolvency of Russia militarily. The calculation is that Russia will rub off and will "whine" in the UN Security Council.
              It is unlikely that the Turks are the think tank of this provocation - in the case of even a purely economic response, Turkey will return in the 80s of the twentieth century. Our dependence on Turkey is one-sided. China is happy to fill a niche in consumer goods, cheap ceramic tiles and furniture, in fruits and vegetables, and so the line is worth it. Turkish companies are guaranteed to be thrown out of the Russian market, hunting will be announced for Turkish capital in the construction sector (for which there is always). With the closure of the Blue Stream, Turkey will lose competitiveness in all energy-intensive industries - the production of porcelain stoneware, plywood, construction fittings, and plumbing. The situation for Russia is really complicated, the idea of ​​the organizers was almost a success, with few exceptions - no one knows Putin’s actions after the Russians are evacuated. I would bet that in one way or another there will be a military response, because in this case it will be possible to maintain economic ties.
              1. Down House
                Down House 25 November 2015 15: 27 New
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                Quote: avdkrd
                The organizers of the provocation are just counting on a relatively mild reaction.

                Not a fact.
                Quote: avdkrd
                The purpose of the provocation is to show the insolvency of Russia militarily.

                Consistency has already been shown by striking for "distant lands."
            5. anderles66
              anderles66 25 November 2015 10: 22 New
              0
              I agree with you one hundred percent and even more. Firstly, you should not behave like a bazaar aunt, that is, scream at the whole bazaar. I think that the greatest respect and result will cause a cold-blooded, consistent movement to the full actual surrender of the enemy. Secondly, it seems to me that it should be borne in mind that in the event of an official declaration of war, about 10 thousand of our citizens become hostages without the possibility of their evacuation, and the straits to the Sea of ​​Sredema are closed according to a treaty a hundred and a half years ago. I agree that Turkey has a lot of pain points and weaknesses. Some of them are purely geographically along the entire border (and inside) - Armenians, Kurds, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus. Oil traffic is a critical factor. Well, etc.
          6. 44 World
            44 World 24 November 2015 23: 29 New
            +4
            it's time for the Kadyrovites to leave for the place, they know their job !!!
            1. SOKOL777
              SOKOL777 25 November 2015 00: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: 44World
              time to Kadyrovtsy


              I would save our guys.
              My instinct tells me that soon they will be very needed in our Caucasus.
              However, I could be wrong ... negative
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 24 November 2015 19: 43 New
          +8
          But the Turks must answer first.
          1. Major Yurik
            Major Yurik 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
            54
            For a long time and colorfully, they painted “partners” about the red lines that you can’t enter, but Bish Bashibuzuk Erdogan turned out to be color blind, well, he does not see the red line and generally does not see the edges. The exit, unfortunately, is only one eye surgery, preferably fatal! The border coverage area with chunks of dense electronic warfare, plus how the Yankees do, covered the plane with a detection sonar — get a rocket in the barrel! Good luck to our flyers, hold on to my brother, WE WILL LIVE !!!!! soldier am
            1. Yarik
              Yarik 24 November 2015 20: 05 New
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              In-in, a symmetric-asymmetric answer. Shoot down Turkish airplanes approaching the range of destruction of air defense systems good And the complexes themselves to poke Syria along the borders laughing That's where the opa will be. Imagined themselves the Ottoman Empire of the 16th century? Nihua has never been so.
        3. PQ-18
          PQ-18 24 November 2015 19: 51 New
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          I would add: - expand the Bosphorus
          so that it becomes the Bosphorus ... !!!

          Why in vain stir up the Mediterranean water?
          can help:
          1. Cypriots return North
          2. Syria to return the northern territories occupied by the Turks
          3. Kurds give autonomy ...
          4. Greeks - several islands
          5. to the Armenians -ARARAT! (someone ALREADY suggested before me)
          1. Karayakupovo
            Karayakupovo 24 November 2015 20: 04 New
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            I love Pikul (and even more than our Supreme Commander) very much and I agree with you on everything!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 20: 29 New
              +6
              From the reaction of the international community, especially the NATO countries - to the downed Russian plane, only one thing is visible - GLOBALLY COUGH.

              And not in vain. Still to come.
              1. krot
                krot 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                From the reaction of the international community, especially the NATO countries - to the downed Russian plane, only one thing is visible - GLOBALLY COUGH.

                So far, it's too early to talk about it! The meeting is ahead of them .. Then we'll see! But overall they are afraid ..
              2. SOKOL777
                SOKOL777 25 November 2015 01: 01 New
                +6
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                From the reaction of the international community, especially NATO countries


                Turkey has already responded to NATO, they say sort it out yourself, we’re not at work ...
                This is a very important point. We still remember seeing Europe in 1945.

                Neither NATO nor the United States will venture into a military confrontation with Russia.
                There are still sound minds who understand that the fatal pill in Russia is prepared for such "partners".

                But the war in the Middle East is just beginning.
                Turkey is not a reliable partner and has never been.

                And we need to draw the right conclusions:
                -You can’t fly without escort fighters;
                -soak everyone who is trying to attack (make a statement about this around the world);
                -The border of Syria and Turkey must be closed;
                - the cruiser "Moscow" must approach the territorial borders of Turkey and be ready;
                - urgently EW funds in those parts (where are the "Khibiny", why did they leave home, did they gather for a walk?). negative
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 24 November 2015 20: 08 New
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            Quote: PQ-18
            5. to the Armenians -ARARAT! (someone ALREADY suggested before me)

            All my life I was perplexed about injustice - “Ararat” brandy is Armenian, “Ararat” football team in Yerevan, and Mount Ararat - in Turkey ...
            The territory on which Ararat is located has passed from the Armenian SSR (formed on November 29 of the 1920 of the year) to Turkey under the Moscow and Kars Treaties of the 1921 of the year. According to legend, in response to the protest of the Turkish government against the fact that, on the emblem of the Armenian SSR, Ararat is depicted, which is not part of Armenia, the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Chicherin replied: “The crescent moon is depicted on the flag of Turkey, but the Moon is not part of Turkey”
            Maybe it's like a situation with Krum and Nikita? I think the Armenians will not be against, if you give them "feasible help" ...
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 24 November 2015 20: 38 New
              10
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              I think the Armenians will not be against, if you give them "feasible help" ...

              And with the Kurds, what to do ?? In those lands, not the Turks, but the Kurds live, who periodically blow up the Turkish security forces. And there are more Kurds than Armenians in Armenia itself several times)))
              1. andj61
                andj61 24 November 2015 20: 57 New
                +8
                Quote: Yeraz
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                I think the Armenians will not be against, if you give them "feasible help" ...

                And with the Kurds, what to do ?? In those lands, not the Turks, but the Kurds live, who periodically blow up the Turkish security forces. And there are more Kurds than Armenians in Armenia itself several times)))

                So at one time the Kurds were resettled there, that is, on the historical territory of Armenia, and the Turks occupied their place in Anatolia near the border with Iraq. It is to ensure that there are no continuous zones of compact settlement of Kurds in the center of the country. Kurds will be happy to return to their homeland.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 25 November 2015 14: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: andj61
                  Kurds will be happy to return to their homeland.

                  Can you tell the Kurds about this ?? I imagine how the Kurds from Dyarbakir, the center of maximum Kurdish nationalism and hatred of the Turks, will gladly leave Diyarbakir and give it to the Armenians)))
                  Kurds 10-12mln. Armenians in Armenia 3.5mln. Therefore, let's not discuss nonsense)) Armenians barely keep all world Armenians and with the help of Russia, and you mean Kurds with huge territories))) Kurds consider these lands Kurdistan and blow up Turks , not due to the fact that they are not allowed to leave these lands and be transformed into anatolia, but just the opposite)
              2. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 08 New
                0
                Have you heard something about the Armenian-Kurdish conflict?
                I personally do not. only about the Armenian-Turkish.
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 25 November 2015 10: 40 New
              +1
              They will not oppose it, but it is unlikely that trade shops in Russia will be exchanged for trenches near Ararat. Ancient Tigranes and Ashots - in the distant past, unfortunately.
          3. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 24 November 2015 22: 21 New
            +6
            Quote: PQ-18
            1. Cypriots return North
            2. Syria to return the northern territories occupied by the Turks
            3. Kurds give autonomy ...
            4. Greeks - several islands
            5. to the Armenians -ARARAT! (someone ALREADY suggested before me)

            6. To join Constantopol to Russia,
            7. The European part of Turkey to divide between Greece and Bulgaria. At the same time, the Bulgarian part should be transferred to the Bulgarians together with the Russian military base.
            8. The resort part of Turkey to unite in the Trojan kingdom.

            The list can be continued. This is for s / I who want to let off steam.
            In fact, our military has already done everything. As I understand it, in violation of agreements with the sashniks, we activated air defense systems with a range of ... km, and announced that contacts with the Turks through military channels had been terminated ...

            We are waiting for the takeoff of Turkish aircraft ...
            And, I hope, now ours will fly over the territory of Turkey not for long, not deeply, but regularly.
          4. Turkir
            Turkir 24 November 2015 23: 54 New
            +1
            1. Cypriots return North
            2. Syria to return the northern territories occupied by the Turks
            3. Kurds give autonomy ...
            4. Greeks - several islands
            5. to the Armenians -ARARAT! (someone ALREADY suggested before me)

            6. Georgians - the territory of Lazika - the Black Sea coast to Sinop.
          5. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
            +1
            There is not only the question of Ararat. Kars, Trabzon and Ardagan are at least. If we take the Sevres Peace Treaty, the guarantor of which of which is the USA as well, then there should be a lot of things for Armenia to depart to other countries.
          6. Sorokin
            Sorokin 25 November 2015 18: 09 New
            0
            I was glad about the Armenians, I stood in Yeghegnadzor. There are a lot of things to be given.
          7. JAJAJA
            JAJAJA 27 November 2015 00: 21 New
            +1
            "The Turks will be destroyed and erased from the map forever, because it is a country that does not have God's blessing."

            “Turkey will be divided into three to four parts.”

            “Time is already counting down.”

            “We (Greeks) will take our lands (link: Byzantine legacy), Armenians - our territories (link by topics: US intelligence report: Armenian people require land from Turkey), Kurds - their lands (link: Turkey: history Kurdish issue). ”

            “The Kurdish problem is on its way.”

            “It will come true not now, but very soon.”
        4. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
          44
          Quote: sever.56
          Evgeny Satanovsky today at Solovyov ..

          I didn’t specifically look for it, but the thought for the day was more than once — to listen to what Satanovsky would say about it. I’ll definitely look in the evening. As Solovyov once said about him, "his awareness is scary." And multiplied by healthy cold cynicism makes him a funky analyst.
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 24 November 2015 20: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "his awareness is scary."

            So she knows what she’s talking about, but cynicism about the “partners” is very welcome!
          2. arnulla
            arnulla 24 November 2015 20: 47 New
            +5
            Only, unfortunately, there are no such people in power.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 24 November 2015 21: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: arnulla
              Only, unfortunately, there are no such people in power.

              He does not need power, but an expert or adviser to the government.

              Once I heard for a long time that a good boss does not need to be seven spans in his forehead - you need to have seven sensible deputies - each with one span ... There are seven such as Satanovsky, and let them think. And power is what power is to analyze proposals and make a decision ...
              1. arnulla
                arnulla 24 November 2015 22: 24 New
                +1
                Well, I basically meant it. Maybe he didn’t put it quite right
        5. Chikua
          Chikua 24 November 2015 20: 35 New
          +8
          only tourists need to be evacuated ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 November 2015 20: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: Chikua
            only tourists need to be evacuated ...

            And deep mission. Already pickets at our embassies throughout Turkey.
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        6. papas-57
          papas-57 24 November 2015 20: 37 New
          12
          '' Evgeny Satanovsky: I would add: - to expand the Bosphorus Strait so that it becomes the Bosphorus Sea ... !!! ''. The same thought came. When I read komenty I realized that I was late.
          1. Good me
            Good me 24 November 2015 22: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: papas-57
            '' Evgeny Satanovsky: I would add: - to expand the Bosphorus Strait so that it becomes the Bosphorus Sea ... !!! ''. The same thought came. When I read komenty I realized that I was late.

            Do not worry, in STROYOTRYAD, there is a chance to enter ...
        7. Persistent
          Persistent 24 November 2015 20: 48 New
          21
          I never rested in Turkey ... THEREFORE, I can safely say I did not feed this insignificant bunch of idiots and bastards from my wallet ..... negative
          1. andj61
            andj61 24 November 2015 21: 07 New
            +7
            Quote: Persistent
            I never rested in Turkey ... THEREFORE, I can safely say I did not feed this insignificant bunch of idiots and bastards from my wallet ..... negative

            I was once in 2009. In order to warm the belly - it’s completely nothing. But it bothers me on the third day, but there's really nothing to see there. It is simply impossible to compare with Crete, Cyprus and Spain! And this year he was in the Krasnodar Territory, in Olginka. I went there by car with my family - and did not regret it at all. We traveled all over the coast, and even drove back to historical places on the way back - I really liked it. Next year we plan to go to the Crimea: there were acquaintances, very advised. There really is something to see.
            But the Turks must be punished - it is imperative to support the Kurds, deploy an air defense system (though Syria has not been flown for a long time), start seriously ironing those who were involved in the deaths of our people, and support Armenia at the highest level in the effort to recognize the Armenian Genocide early 20th century. Come up with something else ...
            And to think how to respond to the new dirty tricks of the Turks - since they are so insolent, they can close the straits for us ...
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 24 November 2015 22: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              And to think how to respond to the new dirty tricks of the Turks - since they are so insolent, they can close the straits for us ...

              Close, and then what? I can’t imagine it yet
            2. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 25 November 2015 01: 08 New
              +1
              then precisely expand the straits ........ missiles ....
          2. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 25 November 2015 01: 06 New
            0
            me too .... the cruise missile for erdogan is ready ... angry
        8. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 24 November 2015 22: 10 New
          +5
          it shouldn’t be otherwise - as soon as the pilots are taken out alive or dead, the entire border zone must undergo sterilization!
        9. saturn55
          saturn55 25 November 2015 01: 11 New
          +3
          very right
        10. Drmadfisher
          Drmadfisher 25 November 2015 01: 23 New
          +1
          and a shield on the gates of Tsaregrad (warriors of Prince Oleg nailed a shield)
        11. ivan48857
          ivan48857 25 November 2015 05: 30 New
          +2
          Plus Satanovsky!
        12. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
          0
          Armageddonitch will not advise bad!

          PS The kingdom of heaven to the dead, and to the survivors - a speedy return home!
        13. Roman13
          Roman13 25 November 2015 16: 24 New
          +1
          Turkey has become a Trojan horse for NATO, and in this case a Trojan donkey.
        14. BEGA2015
          BEGA2015 27 November 2015 15: 27 New
          0
          IMPORTANT!
          Today, German mass media reported that two journalists were arrested in Turkey.
          Erdogan himself has been charged with STATE CHANGE!
          The indictment is that these two journalists published an article on the supply of arms and ammunition from Turkey to Islamic State terrorists under the control and direct support of Turkish specials. services.
          Erdogan- THE LAST BATTERY AND THE CRIMINAL!
          With such a creature no negotiations can be conducted, he will understand only the language of power!
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      3. aktanir
        aktanir 24 November 2015 19: 43 New
        32
        the main thing!!! and what did the Turks achieve by knocking out our plane ?? what goal did they achieve ?? Mlyn, now they don’t get a single free Syrian oil at all, Assad, in principle, nobody will remove and change! and the whole pack that was fed at the borders, as the Syrian military’s offensive progresses, will have to be squeezed into itself.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 24 November 2015 20: 47 New
          10
          - They "poked a stick at an unfamiliar beast" ... And they will follow the reaction! And from what will fly back, their further actions will depend. They will receive by belly - they will apologize, “But what are we? Apologize, by the way, that they are in no hurry!
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: aktanir
          the main thing!!! and what did the Turks achieve by knocking out our plane ?? what goal did they achieve ??

          They performed someone else's task. Their interest is not here.
          This is indicated by the fact that immediately after the incident they ran into the field, advised ... Instead of (if it was a real force majeure) to call Moscow and explain. Who is the customer? Guess for yourself.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 12 New
            +8
            Quote: GSH-18
            They performed someone else's task. Their interest is not here.
            This is indicated by the fact that immediately after the incident they ran into the field, advised ... Instead of (if it was a real force majeure) to call Moscow and explain. Who is the customer? Guess for yourself.

            But now Washington and Brussels are rejecting Erdogan, saying that this is his personal initiative. The geek is being drained.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 19 New
              +6
              Quote: NEXUS
              But now Washington and Brussels are rejecting Erdogan, saying that this is his personal initiative. The geek is being drained.

              Pure kidnak and setup from the arrogant Saxons. They wash their hands. request
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 23 New
                +8
                Quote: GSH-18
                Pure kidnak and setup from the arrogant Saxons. They wash their hands.

                Now it's up to us to refresh the memory of the Turks. But first, take out the tourists and the deep mission.
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 37 New
                  11
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  Pure kidnak and setup from the arrogant Saxons. They wash their hands.

                  Now it's up to us to refresh the memory of the Turks. But first, take out the tourists and the deep mission.

                  This country is NATO. Here you have to beat carefully, but hard. That is, you need to calculate everything exactly. And such things are not done with kondochka. But the fact that the Turks will answer for our pilots and the plane with interest, I have no doubt for a second!
                  At least to shoot down F-15s with our air defense systems over Syria (Shell, Tor), where they often go to bombard the Kurds! Xen what they prove! Then we will wash our hands. yes
                  I think, for starters, you can bring down the entire attacking Turkish air group as a whole, so that without witnesses, watch over the “Shell” due to the hillock will be fine! am
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 40 New
                    +4
                    Quote: GSH-18
                    But the fact that the Turks will answer for our pilots and the plane with interest, I have no doubt for a second!

                    The Moscow cruiser received an introductory stoke and shoot down everything that would pose a threat. Our bombers will now carry out tasks accompanied by fighters. Rutskoi declared.
                    1. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      The Moscow cruiser received an introductory stoke and shoot down everything that would pose a threat. Our bombers will now carry out tasks accompanied by fighters. Rutskoi declared.

                      What now to do with French pilots from an aircraft carrier? .. Can happen to be accidentally under the firing of the “Forts” ... The situation is heating up ...
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 52 New
                      +3
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      What now to do with French pilots from an aircraft carrier? .. Can happen to be accidentally under the firing of the “Forts” ... The situation is heating up ...

                      I think in the next few hours the VKS group will be strengthened by both the SU-30 and SU-35 fighters ... the Black Sea Fleet and the group based in the Crimea will also receive the corresponding input. This is in the first chapter ... and there the Baltic will catch up with the Caspian.
                    3. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      I think in the next few hours the VKS group will be strengthened by both the SU-30 and SU-35 fighters ... the Black Sea Fleet and the group based in the Crimea will also receive the corresponding input. This is in the first chapter ... and there the Baltic will catch up with the Caspian.

                      And urgently send "Kuznetsov" to Middle-earth! “Moscow” alone will not survive without air cover for a long time. Who knows what else can be expected from these "friends" from Nata? ..
                    4. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 22: 05 New
                      +3
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      And urgently send "Kuznetsov" to Middle-earth! “Moscow” alone will not survive without air cover for a long time. Who knows what else can be expected from these "friends" from Nata? ..

                      I think that a clear sign that Turkish planes will be shot down will be the appearance of the MIG-31 somewhere not far away. Perhaps the Mediterranean squadron will be strengthened ... we'll see ...
                    5. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 24 November 2015 22: 13 New
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      I think a clear sign that Turkish planes will go astray is the appearance of the MIG-31 somewhere not far away.

                      In Khmeimim, they will increase the number of Su-30SM and may add Su-35.
                      And the decked KUB with Kuzi will fulfill the task set by the commander in chief angry
                    6. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 22: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      In Khmeimim, they will increase the number of Su-30SM and may add Su-35.
                      And the decked KUB with Kuzi will fulfill the task set by the commander in chief

                      Well, our submarines will be near if the Turks try to get on the boat. And the Iskander with Balls and Bastions in the Crimea will be put on alert.
                    7. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 24 November 2015 22: 23 New
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      In Khmeimim, they will increase the number of Su-30SM and may add Su-35.
                      And the decked KUB with Kuzi will fulfill the task set by the commander in chief

                      Well, our submarines will be near if the Turks try to get on the boat. And the Iskander with Balls and Bastions in the Crimea will be put on alert.

                      We at the Black Sea Fleet now have 4 of the latest Varshavyanka submarines armed with Caliber. I think two of them are already passing the Turkish straits am
      4. 222222
        222222 24 November 2015 22: 21 New
        10
        "Armenia is ready to support Russia." Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan expressed his condolences to Vladimir Putin in connection with the plane shot down by Turkey in Syria and expressed readiness to provide any assistance. “We must fight this evil all together, and those who help the bandits should be punished. Armenia, as Russia's main ally in the south, is ready to help the brothers in the fight against terrorism. Turkey has twice violated the airspace of Armenia twice lately and this causes concern. The Middle East must be reassured, otherwise it could end in a big war. - S. Sargsyan stated. ”
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 November 2015 22: 24 New
          +7
          Quote: 222222
          "Armenia is ready to support Russia." Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan expressed his condolences to Vladimir Putin in connection with the plane shot down by Turkey in Syria and expressed readiness to provide any assistance. “We must fight this evil all together, and those who help the bandits should be punished. Armenia, as Russia's main ally in the south, is ready to help the brothers in the fight against terrorism. Turkey has twice violated the airspace of Armenia twice lately and this causes concern. The Middle East must be reassured, otherwise it could end in a big war. - S. Sargsyan stated. ”

          The Kurds in social networks have expressed their readiness to avenge the Russian pilots, but they ask for MANPADS in order to establish not a flight zone on the border with Turkey ... but so far it is necessary to calculate everything in cold blood, and not to cut in a fever. It is clear that "meanness" and "sabotage" , but the answer needs a verified and very accurate.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 24 November 2015 22: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          It is clear that "meanness" and "sabotage", but the answer needs a verified and very accurate.

          So the time has come for the Kadyrov Guard. They and MANPADS in hand!
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 22: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: 222222
        "Armenia is ready to support Russia." Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan expressed his condolences to Vladimir Putin in connection with the plane shot down by Turkey in Syria and expressed readiness to provide any assistance. “We must fight this evil all together, and those who help the bandits should be punished. Armenia, as Russia's main ally in the south, is ready to help the brothers in the fight against terrorism. Turkey has twice violated the airspace of Armenia twice lately

        In the course, the Turks ran into their old sworn “friends” of Armenians specifically. Mouse tears will pour out to the cat. They didn’t recognize the Armenian genocide in Turkey, they didn’t even apologize, now catch it to the fullest! am
      6. Weyland
        Weyland 25 November 2015 02: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: 222222
        Turkey has twice violated the airspace of Armenia twice lately and this causes concern


        A rather thick hint of the expected consequences of the third violation ... bully
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  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 24 November 2015 22: 43 New
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Pure kidnak and setup from the arrogant Saxons. They wash their hands. request

    I don’t think so. Wait and see.
  • Persistent
    Persistent 24 November 2015 21: 35 New
    +8
    But now Washington and Brussels are rejecting Erdogan, saying that this is his personal initiative. The geek is being drained.

    Too late !!! There is evidence that the Americans relocated shortly F-16 with air-to-air missiles closer to the border with Syria. Since ours notified the Turks about the routes of our aircraft, the Turks, with the help of the United States, organized an air ambush !!!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Persistent
      Too late !!! There is evidence that the Americans relocated shortly F-16 with air-to-air missiles closer to the border with Syria. Since ours notified the Turks about the routes of our aircraft, the Turks, with the help of the United States, organized an air ambush !!!

      I will not be surprised at the appearance in Syria of the SU-35 and additional Krasukh-4, as well as the activation of the Black Sea Fleet off the coast of Turkey and Syria.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 23: 14 New
        +5
        Yes. According to Life News, a video has now been shown. Our rescue Mi-8 was destroyed from the TOU when it was on the ground. One paratrooper died. The rest are all evacuated by a second helicopter, and are now at our base in Khmeimim.
        Now these yodas are definitely the end. We will never forgive this! And we have local allies!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 24 November 2015 23: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18
          . Our rescue Mi-8 was destroyed from the TOU when it was on the ground. One paratrooper died. The rest are all evacuated by a second helicopter, and are now at our base in Khmeimim.

          Get fucked up!
          Do you remember that people said that we won’t climb into the ground opera?
          But our losses - 224-2-1 total 227 of our SHOWERS and how now we will be further?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 24 November 2015 23: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            But our losses - 224-2-1 total 227 of our SHOWERS and how now we will be further?

            What did you mean? What are these numbers? At the moment, we have TWO dead soldiers in Syria! A passenger plane is not a combat loss, a terrorist attack. We fight against terrorist attacks in Syria. Otherwise, a year later, in Russia, they would again begin to blow up houses, buses, seize theaters, etc. We have no way out. And the scum are to blame!
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 November 2015 23: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: GSH-18
            What did you mean? What are these numbers? At the moment, we have TWO dead soldiers!

            He plus and the dead on board the Watermelon ... which is right.
          3. ZAV69
            ZAV69 25 November 2015 00: 38 New
            0
            Wrong. As for the sausage, it is not clear yet who the customer is. Although those who need to seem to know, but not for the general public.
          4. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 November 2015 00: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: ZAV69
            Wrong. As for the sausage, it is not clear yet who the customer is. Although those who need to seem to know, but not for the general public.

            The customer has been voiced for a long time - this is the Minister of Defense of Qatar ... therefore, the GDP and in the 20-ke called the states supporting terrorism.
    2. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 25 November 2015 01: 21 New
      +3
      just wet ... and wet again ... even in the toilet ... angry
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 November 2015 23: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: GSH-18
    Yes. According to Life News, a video has now been shown. Our rescue Mi-8 was destroyed from the TOU when it was on the ground. One paratrooper died. The rest are all evacuated by a second helicopter, and are now at our base in Khmeimim.
    Now these yodas are definitely the end. We will never forgive this! And we have local allies!

    I understand that the same Kurds will have MANPADS very soon. And the S-400 will be deployed on the broken territories, with Krasukhi and everything that will go towards the Turkish border will be destroyed. There’s still a need to look what will unfold from the Armenian side and will not start whether Turkish planes to fall "unexpectedly" ... of course, all economic relations will be interrupted.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 November 2015 23: 58 New
      11
      Now Kadyrov said: "Thousands of our fighters are always waiting for the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation, you will see that Turkey will seriously regret what he did! Swearing friendship and killing from behind is a betrayal."
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 24 November 2015 21: 43 New
    -2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Drain geek

    Hard to say. I mean, it is still unknown who exactly gave the order - Erdogan or someone else.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Dart2027
      Hard to say. I mean, it is still unknown who exactly gave the order - Erdogan or someone else.

      But is this not an obvious fact for you? Such decisions, being a member of NATO, are not made by Astana ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 22: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Such decisions, as a member of NATO, do not Astana.

        Astana is the capital of Kazakhstan. You probably meant Ankara ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 November 2015 22: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          Astana is the capital of Kazakhstan. You apparently meant Ankara.

          Yes, I'm sorry ... I'm worried ... thanks for correcting
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 25 November 2015 19: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        But is this not an obvious fact for you? Such decisions, being a member of NATO

        This is what I mean. For Turkey, this is just a meaningless act - no benefits, but a lot of problems. Erdogan does not look like an id ... but he hardly understands this. So either there are unaccounted factors for which he expects to win, or he was taken by the throat. And depending on how things are going, the government needs to act.
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 24 November 2015 22: 21 New
    +2
    But now Washington and Brussels are rejecting Erdogan, saying that this is his personal initiative. The geek is being drained.

    Yes, no one merges! they say - this is your business - Russia and Turkey! merge it when at least condemn !!! and here? They just framed him a little - they can get out, no, well, no, and there is no trial! color revolution! and the consequences? anyway, the United States wins - the Turks will feel bad anyway - ours will not leave without consequences, but the economic costs will be ours and the Turks ... Is the Turkish flow covered? A grocery delivery? There is a "Big Game", and Turkey is a pawn ... and which thinks "go to the queens", not suspecting that it is simply sacrificed for a completely different piece .....
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2015 22: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Yuyuka
      Yes, no one merges! they say - this is your business - Russia and Turkey!

      The fact of the matter is that Erdogan was counting on the defense of NATO and Washington, and received the answer - "these are your affairs with Russia" ... what if this is not a drain?
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 23: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Yuyuka
        Yes, no one merges! they say - this is your business - Russia and Turkey!

        The fact of the matter is that Erdogan was counting on the defense of NATO and Washington, and received the answer - "these are your affairs with Russia" ... what if this is not a drain?

        The NATO Secretary General has now shown: "We are in solidarity with Turkey, NATO countries have the right to protect the integrity of their territory." And this is in the absence of evidence of the crossing of the Turkish border by our bomber. Yes, even though he crossed their border, what a threat to Turkey he posed when returning home after a mission ???! The fun! angry
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 November 2015 23: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          The NATO Secretary General has now shown: "We are in solidarity with Turkey, NATO countries have the right to protect the integrity of their territory." And this is in the absence of evidence of the crossing of the Turkish border by our bomber. Yes, even though he crossed their border, what a threat to Turkey he posed when returning home after a mission ???! The fun!

          I don’t think that NATO will harbor Erdogan. In addition, we have ways to greatly complicate the life of both Erdogan and the whole of Turkey ... but again, the measures must be accurate and very verified.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 25 November 2015 00: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            Turkey ... but again, the measures must be accurate

            In response, it is necessary to bring down the Turkish f-16 over Syria, they often march around without demand. And then verify the corrected measures!
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 November 2015 00: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            In response, it is necessary to bring down the Turkish f-16 over Syria, they often march around without demand. And then verify the corrected measures!

            It’s too early ... our people are in Turkey. But the Turks will probably have to be shot down and drowned soon. Perhaps the Kyrgyz Republic will fly away in the same direction ... we'll see. Now our people need to be pulled out and the VKS group in Syria pulled out as quickly as possible. It’s possible to transfer S-400 there too ... in general there are many ways and ways. It is important not to break firewood but to calmly and judiciously end Erdogan and the Turkish caliphate.
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 25 November 2015 00: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: GSH-18
            In response, it is necessary to bring down the Turkish f-16 over Syria, they often march around without demand. And then verify the corrected measures!

            It’s too early ... our people are in Turkey. But the Turks will probably have to be shot down and drowned soon. Perhaps the Kyrgyz Republic will fly away in the same direction ... we'll see. Now our people need to be pulled out and the VKS group in Syria pulled out as quickly as possible. It’s possible to transfer S-400 there too ... in general there are many ways and ways. It is important not to break firewood but to calmly and judiciously end Erdogan and the Turkish caliphate.

            good most importantly, Schaub Nata did not give up to save the savior of the Islamic State.
          4. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 November 2015 01: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: GSH-18
            most importantly, Schaub Nata did not give up to save the savior of the Islamic State.

            I’m thinking about the work on these issues now. Explain who is XU.
          5. GSH-18
            GSH-18 25 November 2015 01: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: GSH-18
            most importantly, Schaub Nata did not give up to save the savior of the Islamic State.

            I’m thinking about the work on these issues now. Explain who is XU.

            Perhaps the Turks "at work" were offended by the lost fuel trucks and oil losses, however! belay So a certain "interest" in this act of aggression against our VKS is visible ...
            But!
            The sowing wind will reap the storm! am
  • saygon66
    saygon66 24 November 2015 21: 23 New
    +2
    - They are already explaining ... The Russian Air Force service has given information that the Turkish Foreign Ministry is calling on the ambassadors of Russia, China, America, France and Britain to discuss the situation with the downed plane.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: saygon66
      - They are already explaining ... The Russian Air Force service has given information that the Turkish Foreign Ministry is calling on the ambassadors of Russia, China, America, France and Britain to discuss the situation with the downed plane.

      It is interesting that they will babble there ?? Like, excuse me, mistaken, force majeure ??? angry
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 24 November 2015 23: 36 New
        0
        - It doesn’t seem like ... The German wave gives gloomy forecasts in general ... supports the Turks.
        - The impression is that the Turks rested, and in response to all questions they will yell, "We warned you ... We will not allow ... We are not some kind of Baltic states .."
  • viktor561
    viktor561 24 November 2015 19: 54 New
    +3
    A clear hell - to engage Russia in the war with Ukraine did not work out - as it should with the East - breaks off - the war will bastards to you
  • sssla
    sssla 24 November 2015 19: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Sterlya
    Creatures Turks, because of cheap oil is that? I think here is not only oil. Yes, and the mattresses rather tried, stopudovo

    http://politobzor.net/show-72123-sbityy-su-24-isterika-turcii-pered-pobedoy-rf.h
    tml
  • Rrrj
    Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 45 New
    +1
    I don’t know, but it seems true - then in general ...
    1. just exp
      just exp 24 November 2015 20: 49 New
      0
      the helicopter was kind of like a Syrian.
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 58 New
        0
        Quote: just EXPL
        the helicopter was kind of like a Syrian.

        All the same, our people perished!
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 24 November 2015 21: 29 New
          +2
          Yes, it’s a production, according to them, after a salvo, the crocodile would work right away and there would be no people near the helicopter where the guards and cordons are, and even more so in the territory controlled by the militants, he would not have sat down to the visual contact with the pilot, safety instructions.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 21: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: rrrj
          All the same, our people perished!

          No one died there. This is video editing. Propaganda video.
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 24 November 2015 22: 28 New
        +5
        our helicopter, shot down from a rifle, killed one marine. The rest was taken out. With a mortar, the militants destroyed. The defense ministry said at a briefing an hour ago ... Our one pilot was also shot in the air ... the news shot by militants showed in the news. The second is still unknown where. I think as soon as ours take them out of there - they will burn these fucking creatures along the border!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 24 November 2015 23: 01 New
          -5
          Quote: Yuyuka
          our helicopter, shot down from a rifle, killed one marine. The rest was taken out. WITH mortar militants destroyed.

          With a mortar helicopter ??? What is it like? Asked while hanging over the trunk while the mine was charged? laughing
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 21: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: rrrj
      I don’t know, but it seems true - then in general ...

      Complete lies. The helicopter stands on the ground and is illuminated in size so that it does not miss. The shot was in bright sunlight, and the helicopter was shot down in the evening. Installation. Always look at the little things carefully. By the way, not a single person is near the helicopter. And this is not an aviation base. The blades do not rotate.
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 23: 37 New
      +1
      Maybe I'm not quite right. A search and rescue helicopter would be damaged by small arms, land, a marine would die. The entire helicopter crew was evacuated by a second helicopter. The damaged helicopter was destroyed by mortars from mortars, and not from ATGM (anti-tank weapon). Although the video seems to show a flying rocket that first hit the ground, then bounced off and then hit a helicopter.
  • PM78
    PM78 24 November 2015 22: 47 New
    0
    I agree with you. I am sure that the Yankees were lousy to organize an "ambush" on our Sushka, and the Turks complied with Obamov’s instructions. And again sloppiness - where is the air defense / missile defense ?, criminal negligence - who "guessed" to send a bomber without cover - and it’s significant under the tribunal !, Well! and Mr. Shoigu, paired with GDP, is planted in a maize and forced to cross the Turkish border!
  • win
    win 25 November 2015 00: 30 New
    +5
    Turks creatures, because of cheap oil is


    Ordinary Turks will not receive anything from this money for oil.
    It family business Erdogan. His son was repeatedly seen (and there are photos) with the leaders of the terrorists.
    Money money money...
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  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 25 November 2015 00: 30 New
    +1
    I wonder if the Americans could provoke by deliberately distorting the gps signals in this area, i.e. so that the Turkish pilot sincerely believes that our plane is deep in Turkey
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 November 2015 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Nikolai K
      I wonder if the Americans could provoke by deliberately distorting the gps signals in this area, i.e. so that the Turkish pilot sincerely believes that our plane is deep in Turkey

      Yes easily. ZhPS is the same Pindocovo navigation system!
    2. Trogvar
      Trogvar 25 November 2015 02: 10 New
      0
      Yesterday (in our Far East it was yesterday), some media reported that one of the pilots was captured by almost Turkish special forces .. question: was it this special forces that called F-16? so as not to stupidly stay in the mountains on Syrian territory with a bunch of charred meat .. they couldn’t know that "Drying" is empty .. they managed it, but they were saved from the metropolis in this way. Although .. maybe nonsense ..
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 15: 07 New
      0
      The idea is interesting, but air defense systems do not focus on GPS. They have their own locators. A pilot never decides to destroy a target in peacetime without permission to open fire from the ground. And he doesn’t give a damn where he is located, over his territory or over someone else’s. He carries out the order and the point.
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 25 November 2015 01: 19 New
    0
    mattresses are now shitting heavily in diapers, they didn’t need the same turn (Turkey is a country of NATs), the answer will be, tochnik
  • Dreiko11
    Dreiko11 25 November 2015 02: 30 New
    0
    Of course, we’re here for business, they specially delivered fighter aircraft of Turkey for a short time
  • BEGA2015
    BEGA2015 27 November 2015 15: 24 New
    0
    Today, German mass media reported that two journalists were arrested in Turkey.
    Erdogan himself has been charged with STATE CHANGE!
    The indictment is that these two journalists published an article on the supply of arms and ammunition from Turkey to Islamic State terrorists under the control and direct support of Turkish specials. services.
    Erdogan- THE LAST BATTERY AND THE CRIMINAL!
    With such a creature no negotiations can be conducted, he will understand only the language of power!
  • The lead
    The lead 24 November 2015 20: 01 New
    -1
    He was afraid that everything would be limited to co-operation, and so it goes. Ugh.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 24 November 2015 20: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: Baikonur
    In nature, there’s nothing left to think!

    You need to always think, even when the last drops of blood leave you! And in geopolitics there is always someone to think about and make an adequate decision! And the fact that Turkey shot itself in the head in favor of the State Department is Turkey’s problems!
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  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
    +2
    I won’t be surprised if after some time a Turkish military plane crashes.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 November 2015 01: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: INVESTOR
      I won’t be surprised if after some time a Turkish military plane crashes.

      The reaction should be this: Inevitability is inevitable! yes
  • just exp
    just exp 24 November 2015 21: 43 New
    +1
    there are still losses, one Marine was also saved to save when they fired a turntable from the ground. it was this pinwheel that was destroyed on the ground (was abandoned) and filmed on a video that walks on an Internet.
  • vaschenko07
    vaschenko07 25 November 2015 05: 33 New
    0
    that's just the big question - WHO IS MORE READ?
  • djqnbdjqnb
    djqnbdjqnb 27 November 2015 10: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!


    So, after all, we are being drawn into a war with Turkey, and if we succeed, then with the entire NATO organization !! Failed in Ukraine - try in Syria! Don’t you understand? The task of the GDP is to smash ISIS, not to drag it into the war!
  • Bombardier
    Bombardier 24 November 2015 19: 28 New
    218
    Sergey Rumyantsev. Pilot Su-24, shot down today in Syria by Turkish ISIS defenders.
    Everlasting memory. HERO!
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 24 November 2015 19: 31 New
      75
      His photo! Condolences to the family!
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 24 November 2015 19: 37 New
        +8
        SUCH MEN TREATED BY BAGS
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
          26
          I'm so sorry! I watched the video how they were shot by parachutes and cried!
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 24 November 2015 19: 47 New
            13
            Yes wait you guys keep !!! They are searching. Hopefully.
          2. AKS-U
            AKS-U 24 November 2015 20: 12 New
            +1
            Baikonur, tell me where this video is.
            1. Persistent
              Persistent 24 November 2015 22: 08 New
              +7
              IDENTIFICATION

              According to preliminary estimates, Major Aleksandr Rumyantsev, a guard, may be a guarded pilot — Su-24M pilot with serial number 0715323 of the 6980th Guards Air Base of the 1st category of military unit 69806, whose air group is based at the Shagol airfield in Chelyabinsk (photo comparison was made on based on Twitter / archive / and photos from InformNapalm database).

              Information is confirmed in Chelyabinsk.

              Eternal memory to the defender of the motherland !!!! soldier
      2. kapitan281271
        kapitan281271 24 November 2015 19: 44 New
        14
        Guys, let's wait, it may not be confirmed, I really want to believe in a miracle!
      3. gas113
        gas113 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
        +3
        It seems to have flashed that the Turks are alive and are engaged in the liberation. Information on Lenta.ru
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 25 November 2015 01: 43 New
          0
          Quote: gas113
          It seems to have flashed that the Turks are alive and are engaged in the liberation. Information on Lenta.ru

          Under the FABs of such "liberators"! am
          As a result of the operation planned by Turkey, two RA soldiers performing an anti-terrorist operation in Syria, a Su-24M pilot and a Marine from the rescue Mi-8 were killed! The fate of the co-pilot SU-24M is still unknown. If only ours would find him faster!
      4. Sea Wolf
        Sea Wolf 24 November 2015 20: 14 New
        +4
        Everlasting memory. Family sincere condolences. The main thing is that the Motherland does not forget and does not leave loved ones in trouble.
    2. alekc75
      alekc75 24 November 2015 19: 37 New
      +3
      Sorry for the men !!!!
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
        64
        Gone, men, to heaven! Mourn waiting for retribution!
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 24 November 2015 20: 32 New
          15
          He shouted at last
          In an airplane burning:
          - You live, you hold out! -
          It came through the rumble.

          We flew under god
          Near the very paradise -
          He climbed a little higher and sat there,
          Well, I reached the ground.

          Met the pilot dryly
          Paradise airfield.
          He sat on his belly
          But did not crawl on it.

          He fell asleep - did not wake up,
          He sang - did not finish,
          So here I am back
          He came back, he came back
          Well, he failed.
          V. Vysotsky. Song about the pilot.
          Eternal memory to HEROES!
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        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 25 November 2015 01: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Bombardier
          Gone, men, to heaven! Mourn waiting for retribution!

          Retribution is inevitable!
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Bombardier
      Sergey Rumyantsev.

      Eternal memory to the defender.
    4. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg 24 November 2015 19: 48 New
      0
      Bombardier RU Today, 19:28 ↑
      Sergey Rumyantsev. Pilot Su-24, shot down today in Syria by Turkish ISIS defenders.
      Everlasting memory. HERO!


      And judging by the diplomacy of the Defense Ministry, Russia cannot answer for the murdered Hero!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 November 2015 19: 58 New
        +6
        Quote: Fonmeg
        And judging by the diplomacy of the Defense Ministry, Russia cannot answer for the murdered Hero!

        Yes, it’s good to moan, did you want the YaRS to start right now? Fast only cats e..sya.
      2. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 24 November 2015 20: 14 New
        10
        As I said, in war as in war or as in the Jesuits, the end justifies the means. To shoot those who killed our pilots, most importantly with bullets coated with bacon, wrap the corpses in pork skins and bury (as American General Pershing did in the Philippines), and upload the video on the Internet. And, most importantly, spit on everyone. We are responsible for ours. And who has the rest of their “-we'll see.”
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Bombardier
      Sergey Rumyantsev. Pilot Su-24, shot down today in Syria by Turkish ISIS defenders.
      Everlasting memory. HERO!

      http://cont.ws/post/152651
      "The pilot is identified by the number of the downed aircraft"
      THIS IS THIS ??? In my opinion it's too early to trust this blogger! Let's wait for the official statements.
  • kil 31
    kil 31 24 November 2015 19: 31 New
    +8
    NON-JUDGMENT ACT what a nobility.
    angry
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 November 2015 19: 46 New
      19
      Quote: Kil 31
      NON-JUDGMENT ACT what a nobility.

      From another article (about the Crimea) but it says TRUE.
      Dear KGB officers, did you fight hooligans in Petersburg yards as a child? Or were there only intelligent guys? So such in Ukraine during the day with fire. To communicate with the local authorities, you need to master the basic rules: do not enter the bazaars, always be the first to answer, respond stiffly to the insults - beat in the teeth, take the enemy to the point of loss of combat effectiveness, take it weakly - do not move out, move out on trifles - they will push further. ... My own experience of direct observation of events in Syria and Ukraine suggests that if something is actively expected, then it will definitely happen. To fuel conflict, majority support is not needed.
      We need a small active group for radical actions and external cover. And then the spiral of violence will spin itself. Have you seen enough of this in recent years?
      But because you need to beat first. And finish off!
      Igor Dimitriev
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 24 November 2015 20: 19 New
        +8
        Dear Fidget! Not in the teeth, but in the balls! That there was no continuation (kind). With respect to you, a Muslim from the Urals. (My uncle is buried in Voroshilovgrad (Lugansk).
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 24 November 2015 20: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Kil 31
      NON-JUDGMENT ACT what a nobility.

      What the hell nobility !? Blinding by politics and short-sightedness! Let’s go on the brakes now, tomorrow they’ll throw the whole flock! And the Pack (NATO) will be much harder to fight!
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 24 November 2015 21: 06 New
        +2
        These words Shoigu mean little, because he does not have the right to run ahead of the engine (i.e. GDP). His task is to fulfill the orders of the Supreme.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 24 November 2015 19: 34 New
    36
    Quote: Kimblee
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    There is no need to start a war a lot of mind. But it’s impossible to leave unpunished in any way.
    And how sorry for the guys ... Earth rest in peace.
    War, war.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 19: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: Sterlya
      There is no need to start a war a lot of mind. But it’s impossible to leave unpunished in any way.
      And how sorry for the guys ... Earth rest in peace.

      Weighted koment!
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
      11
      Quote: Sterlya
      There is no need to start a war a lot of mind. But it’s impossible to leave unpunished in any way.


      19:37

      Turkey has not provided Russia with evidence of a violation by the Russian Su-24 of its airspace, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. “First of all, we proceed from the testimonies of our military experts who have all the flight parameters of an airplane that was shot down,” Mr. Peskov said. “These data indicate that the aircraft was flying in the airspace of the SAR and was shot down in the Syrian sky” .


      19:35

      There was no talk about stopping air traffic with Turkey - Dmitry Peskov


      19:34

      The Kremlin emphasizes that Moscow does not threaten Turkey with military consequences for the Su-24 attack, but warn of the "inevitability of consequences." “The president did not talk about any military consequences, it is necessary to proceed from this,” said the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov. “The president did not allow such statements, but at the same time, of course, he noted the inevitability of the consequences after such unfriendly actions of the Turkish side ".
      1. Simple
        Simple 24 November 2015 20: 41 New
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        The Kremlin emphasizes that Moscow does not threaten Turkey with military consequences for the Su-24 attack,



        Why rush into the pool?

        PQ-18 business says.

        Turkey will cost more.

        In general, I believe that this incident was not without the long arm of the United States. So to speak, a touchstone for committing rash acts.
      2. Wolverine
        Wolverine 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
        +7
        The consequences are the sunk of the tanker Endorgan and his son, that's where they would start. wassat
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      4. Aleksander
        Aleksander 24 November 2015 21: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        The Kremlin emphasizes that Moscow does not threaten Turkey with military consequences for the Su-24 attack, but they warn about the "inevitability of the consequences." “The President did not talk about any military consequences, one must proceed from this,”

        Reuters also reports on the downed MI 24 helicopter, which was looking for pilots of the 24 SU.
        Don’t answer the Turks! Or you need to curl up and leave, but they will still beat, and already ALL after and after too ....
        A bitter day ....
    3. Yarik
      Yarik 24 November 2015 20: 56 New
      +2
      “First you need to get involved in a serious battle, and there it will already be visible. "
      Napoleon Bonaparte smile It didn't matter ...
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      2. GOGY
        GOGY 24 November 2015 21: 49 New
        +4
        I do not agree. Napoleon’s everything was clear until he contacted us. But we are not French and Turkey is not Russia, something like that ...
    4. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 24 November 2015 22: 35 New
      +1
      There is no need to start a war a lot of mind. But it’s impossible to leave unpunished in any way.

      I support! they will not leave unpunished! looking at Putin at a meeting with the king of Jordan, how calmly, quietly he says, you know - they won’t think enough! just not military action, too straightforward! there are so many unofficial ways to make it clear that the Turks are wrong and they will bite their elbows .... and not their own ...
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 November 2015 01: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Sterlya
      There is no need to start a war a lot of mind. But it’s impossible to leave unpunished in any way.
      And how sorry for the guys ... Earth rest in peace.
      War, war.

      You can’t forgive fighting.
      Where do I put a comma? am
    6. da n ya 1914
      da n ya 1914 25 November 2015 22: 15 New
      0
      The world order is most important, but what the Turks did is already too much.
  • Rrrj
    Rrrj 24 November 2015 19: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Kimblee
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    Everything is normal comrades - do not fool around - all the way through - mine have already said in past topics - the answer will be tough.
    Well, so to say something to this: "At present, the Russian Ministry of Defense is developing a set of measures to respond to such incidents."
    A complete madhouse - right now, new notes of protest, they will write speeches - that’s all the preparation.
    1. sssla
      sssla 24 November 2015 19: 44 New
      0
      Quote: rrrj
      A complete madhouse - right now, new notes of protest, they will write speeches - that’s all the preparation.

      As smart as a wutka, why is it poor ???
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 19: 56 New
        -5
        Quote: sssla
        As smart as a wutka, why is it poor ???

        Ah what urapatriot - fart burns?
        PS. Enrages that I was right?
        PPP. And why the hell did you get that I'm poor? Or do you judge in your own Ukraine?
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 19: 48 New
      +8
      Quote: rrrj
      right now, new notes of protest, words will be written - that’s all the preparation.

      If so, then all our people are worthless ... well, you understand who I am. In the meantime, let's wait.
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Well, you understand who I am. In the meantime, let's wait.

        I really, really hope so. But the nerves to the limit - even the head hurt.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 November 2015 20: 40 New
        +4
        Remember the shelling of our border territory from Ukraine in 2014, two servicemen died and grandfather was killed right outside the house, then our Foreign Ministry and the Moscow Defense Ministry were also involved in coping - today the situation is the same.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 25 November 2015 02: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Remember the shelling of our border territory from Ukraine in 2014, two servicemen died and grandfather was killed right outside the house, then our Foreign Ministry and the Moscow Defense Ministry were also involved in coping - today the situation is the same.

          And what do you suggest? To strike in Turkey? After which we will have to fight the whole NATO block. Is that your goal? Here, only diplomatic and other MILITARY methods are applicable. But Turkey will answer for this black atrocity. Maybe not this minute, but he will answer! I have no doubt about that.
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
      0
      Quote: rrrj
      Everything is normal comrades - do not boil over - everything by

      And what does the word “boil over” mean on a criminal-camp hair dryer? Are you a felon?
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        And what does the word “boil over” mean on a criminal-camp hair dryer? Are you a felon?

        I answered in the same way as they wrote to me in the last article (see my comments).
        P.S. This is now how students on YouTube talk - we learn a little))
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 November 2015 19: 45 New
    +9
    I sit, look at the different sites on the composition and in what condition the Turkish army is and what it can oppose in case of war ...
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 24 November 2015 20: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I sit, look at the different sites on the composition and in what condition the Turkish army is and what it can oppose in case of war ...

      Well, here it is necessary to take in tandem with NATO and the igil coalition, which will support because of all forces, although not directly.
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 24 November 2015 21: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I sit, look at the different sites on the composition and in what state the Turkish army is and what it can oppose in case of war.

      What interests you? Turkey is a member of NATO. But even if it is neutral, a military conflict in Turkey is impossible, unless Russia openly supports the Kurds. Then, of course, Erdogan is finished and he freaks out for good reason, there is a reason. In addition, it is obvious that the Turkish Air Force is now ordered on the territory of Syria, possibly Iraq. The flight will be only one way.
  • Fregate
    Fregate 24 November 2015 19: 47 New
    27
    You can blame me, but I believe that the answer on our part should be military and asymmetric. Then you need to declare that we have no more complaints. And if another incident occurs with our aircraft or ships and Turkey is involved in this, then our next missiles (Caliber, x-102) will be with special warheads. Because economic sanctions are bullshit. The same as the EU introduced to us, but they are mutual. And the Turks buy from us various products worth several times higher than we have from them. T.ch. economic sanctions will also hit us harder.
    1. Snake831
      Snake831 24 November 2015 20: 03 New
      18
      It’s a shame to endure this, people! It's just a shame! What sanctions ?! What unfriendly acts ?! They killed the Russian soldiers at execution! They killed it vilely, from around the corner! The order for the attack was issued by a high military rank! Shame, gentlemen! Shame on all of us! So our rulers pay for honor and courage to those who expose themselves to fire! All this is the verbiage of our government, nothing more than a mockery of all of us! War is disgusting, scary and difficult. But if we do not stand up for ourselves, then who ?
    2. Bird the Talker
      Bird the Talker 24 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +5
      Yes, sorry, post-on any consequences. severance of deep relations, until the punishment of those guilty of this treacherous launch, the flyer F16 is not considered the termination of trade relations. the export of Russo tourists through the SCO BRICS EURASES partners. Destruction of an airplane is a declaration of war. or does the "senior ensign" have a different opinion?
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Bird Talker
        the export of Russo tourist through the SCO BRICS EURASES partners

        Yes, if - and then they themselves will sit on the neck - Russia will have to export all the CIS from there.
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 24 November 2015 19: 49 New
    +3
    In the Turkish press, information appeared that both pilots were alive! And the dead pilot from the helicopter was!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 20: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: ayyildiz
      In the Turkish press, information appeared that both pilots were alive! And the dead pilot from the helicopter was!

      Arabs are very fond of making videos of their victories. Where is the video? Where is the video about the helicopter pilot? Until this appears on Islamic sites, this cannot be believed. Something like, one woman said. And you repeat.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 24 November 2015 20: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: ayyildiz
      In the Turkish press, information appeared that both pilots were alive! And the dead pilot from the helicopter was!

      Lord Make it true.
      1. da n ya 1914
        da n ya 1914 25 November 2015 22: 11 New
        0
        The commander and navigator were on the plane. They catapulted. They were fired upon when they parachuted and killed the commander, and the Syrian special forces rescued the navigator.
    3. arnulla
      arnulla 24 November 2015 21: 02 New
      0
      Maybe the Turks are lying? So that while we cool, we don’t wail
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 24 November 2015 20: 03 New
    +1
    Wars even began as a result of a football match.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 20: 48 New
      0
      Quote: AKS-U
      Wars even began as a result of a football match.

      Very interesting, but can you give an example?
      1. andj61
        andj61 24 November 2015 21: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Quote: AKS-U
        Wars even began as a result of a football match.

        Very interesting, but can you give an example?

        And you type in the search engine "football war" - and you will see that he is right!
        Football War (born Football War; Spanish: Guerra del Fútbol) - a fleeting military conflict between El Salvador and Honduras, which lasted six days (from July 14 to 20, 1969). According to international media, the immediate cause of the war was the loss of the Honduran team to the Salvador team in the playoff matches of the qualifying stage of the World Cup, which explains the name given to the conflict.
        Despite the transience, the conflict cost dearly to both sides; total losses amounted to several thousand people; the war has buried the regional integration project of the Central American Common Market. The peace treaty between the countries was signed only 10 years after the end of the war.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 23: 49 New
          0
          Quote: andj61
          And you type in the search engine "football war" - and you will see that he is right!

          And you read all this text yourself, only completely. The reasons for this war were border conflicts from abroad on the maps of these countries. Each considered some territories to be its own. And the war began not because of the result of the match, but because of the killing of citizens by each other’s countries. And it does not depend on the result of the match. All the same, they would kill each other. Countries at the border already fought with each other and considered themselves enemies.
  • Persistent
    Persistent 24 November 2015 20: 05 New
    +6
    Russia has every right, with Assad’s consent, to close Syria’s airspace ...
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 24 November 2015 20: 10 New
    +2
    The following is a very mild statement for the status of the defense department:
    We consider the actions of the Turkish Air Force as an unfriendly act.


    and then what, harmless action?
  • Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 24 November 2015 20: 14 New
    +1
    One thing is good, the Europeans began to slowly merge Turkey, seeing how stupid the Turks are, no one wants to harness for them, but it is necessary, because they accepted NATO into 1952.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 20: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Xsanchez
      One thing is good, the Europeans began to slowly merge Turkey, seeing how stupid the Turks are, no one wants to harness for them, but it is necessary, because they accepted NATO into 1952.

      They admitted to NATO only for reasons - to deploy American missiles with nuclear charges in Turkey, to build American bases and tracking systems for the USSR. And to fight for Turkey is NATO’s plans and has never been included, even if there are obligations. The point is, try to destroy the USSR from the territory of Turkey, and the fact that it burns in a nuclear fire, NATO does not give a damn. Turkey is just a deceived country.
  • dauria
    dauria 24 November 2015 20: 20 New
    +3
    Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!


    The reason for the war can be anything. Need a reason. Real, primarily strategic territorial and (or) economic. The plane may be an occasion, but then it palm off Turkey, paving the way for those who need war. Guess three times, who needs to kick the RF out of the Middle East?
    Who else believes that Erdogan himself got into trouble? States climbed, and, it seems, seriously.
  • opus
    opus 24 November 2015 20: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: Kimblee
    Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    never when
    In June 2012, the Syrian army shot down a Turkish Air Force F-4 reconnaissance aircraft in the coastal zone of the Mediterranean Sea after breaking the air border over Syrian territorial waters. Both pilots died, and their bodies were found during a joint search for the Syrian and Turkish Navy.

    Then Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that "Outraged" by the Syrian decision to bring down the plane, which, according to him, carried out a training mission. "Short-term violation of the [air] border never cannot be an occasion for attack» - quoted by the BBC


    Al Arabiya released documents allegedly proving that Russian specialists were involved in the plane crash and claimed that Turkish pilots were captured alive and then secretly executed.
    December 26, 1950 the air border of the USSR in the Far East was violated by the American reconnaissance aircraft RB-29. He was attacked by two Soviet MiG-15 fighters and shot down. The plane crashed into the sea, nothing is known about the fate of the crew.
    On November 6, 1951, a P2V Neptune aircraft of the United States Navy was shot down over the Sea of ​​Japan by the USSR Air Defense Forces. 10 people are missing. After the incident, the Soviet government issued a statement stating that the bomber,
    violating the airspace of the USSR, did not obey orders to land and opened fire on Soviet aircraft, after which he was returned fire.
    On June 13, 1952, the US Air Force RB-15 was shot down over the Sea of ​​Japan by Soviet MiG-29 fighters. 12 people are missing.
    On October 7, 1952, a US Air Force RB-29 was shot down over the Pacific Ocean with eight crew members on board. Nothing is known about the fate of the pilots.
    July 29, 1953 the RB-50 aircraft invaded the airspace of the USSR in the region
    Vladivostok and was shot down by two Soviet MiG-17 fighters. Killed 15 crew members, one person managed to escape. 10 hours after the fall, he was picked up by the American destroyer Picking (DD-685).
    On September 4, 1954, a US Navy P2V Neptune aircraft violated Soviet airspace in the Vladivostok area and was shot down. One man died, nine others saved.
    On November 7, 1954, a US Air Force reconnaissance aircraft RB-29 violated Soviet airspace in the Kuril Islands and was shot down by Soviet fighters. 11 crew members parachuted; one of them died, the rest managed to escape.
    On June 22, 1955, near the St. Lawrence Island in the Bering Sea, Soviet fighters attacked a US Navy patrol P2V-5 "Neptune". The plane crashed to the island. Seven out of 10 crew members were injured, but all survived.
    On April 17, 1955, the US Air Force RB-47 electronic reconnaissance aircraft was shot down over the Bering Sea. Three people are missing.
    On September 10, 1956, a U.S. Air Force RB-50 plane was shot down in the area of ​​the Sea of ​​Japan. 16 crew members were missing.
    On August 27, 1962, in the Far East, Soviet air defense shot down a U-2 aircraft. Nothing is known about the fate of the pilot.
  • papas-57
    papas-57 24 November 2015 20: 59 New
    +4
    Or maybe the Americans put a paw to the downing of the plane. They shifted the readings of their GPS system by 20-30 kilometers. And the Turks are fully confident that the Russian plane flies over their territory.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 21: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: papas-57
      GPS systems 20-30 kilometers. And the Turks are fully confident that the Russian plane flies over their territory.

      Do you know a good idea. They already used it somewhere. It seems also in the Middle East.
    2. opus
      opus 24 November 2015 21: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: papas-57
      They shifted the readings of their GPS system by 20-30 kilometers.

      It was "in the morning." Visibility is excellent.
      The Turks (Air Force) have been flying there since the Turkish Air Force appeared (1911).
      They studied the area at Yat.
      In Diyarbakir, 2 TAC and 8 AvB are deployed
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  • ava09
    ava09 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Kimblee
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    Why so sure that it is urgent to start a war with NATO? And confidence in its ending on Capitol Hill? Less tantrums, I think that Putin and Shoigu are no less patriots than you. But now I know for sure what is smarter ...
  • Sashka
    Sashka 24 November 2015 21: 16 New
    +1
    damn .... I saw now the murder of a citizen of the Russian Federation. The pilot. How they tormented him, shouted akbar ... These are Turkmens. Recognize them as a terrorist group. Fell them nah. FSA gave the go-ahead:
    05:47 Russia and Turkey should discuss the incident with Su-24 and take measures to prevent escalation, said US President Barack Obama: “I think it’s very important now that Russia and Turkey talk to each other and find out what happened, and took measures to prevent further escalation "Turkey, like any country, has the right to protect its territory and airspace," Barack Obama said.
    Those. sort it out yourself. And we will figure it out, and get to you ... Good day.
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  • KVS
    KVS 24 November 2015 22: 00 New
    +2
    put a military attache and an ambassador on a stake in the Red Square, at the same time wipe all military airfields and ports of Turkey off the face of the earth
  • GRAY
    GRAY 24 November 2015 22: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Kimblee
    Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    There will be no war due to a downed plane. Most likely, it will be like with Georgia at one time - the stop of transport links will interrupt trade relations.
    In addition, for starters, Russian citizens must be removed from there, and then talk about bad things.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 24 November 2015 22: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Kimblee
    Unfriendly Act?!?!?! Are you kidding me ?! Wars over less unfriendly facts have begun!

    I think the answer should be. Well, they can’t swallow our slap in the face. Just do not advertise. And if only limited to "concern" then Putin and Shoigu will immediately fall below the plinth in the eyes of the people.
  • Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 24 November 2015 22: 26 New
    0
    ISIS launched several terrorist attacks in Turkey, and the Turks support them. PPC
  • meriem1
    meriem1 25 November 2015 02: 47 New
    0
    MORE Ferdinand's murder was a reason for the massacre? It’s not a question for a long time
  • yehat
    yehat 25 November 2015 02: 52 New
    0
    I remind you that fascist Germany did not attack the USSR after the downing of its aircraft in May and early June.
    And it would be difficult for you to find a more aggressive country.
    She attacked later for completely different reasons.
    therefore, start learning history instead of writing nonsense.
  • lonovila
    lonovila 25 November 2015 02: 55 New
    0
    To my great regret ... - all this pomposity and bravado with Russian missile attacks from ships and other things are brought to nothing by just one blow of a NATO member.
  • Sergei1982
    Sergei1982 25 November 2015 04: 59 New
    0
    The Syrian military evacuated the second Russian pilot of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber. This was reported on the Lebanese TV channel Al Mayadeen's Facebook page.

    Communication with the pilot, according to the channel, managed to establish after a six-hour search. For two hours, special forces of the Syrian army led the pilot out of the rear of the militants. He is currently safe at the Russian Hmeimim air base
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 25 November 2015 05: 30 New
    0
    Yes sir! An unfriendly act is when an egg was launched into an embassy window ..........
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  • oblako
    oblako 25 November 2015 06: 16 New
    0
    They took the side of ISIS. A bearded scum mocked the corpse of our pilot in front of the eyes of the whole world. He was shot from the ground while parachuting. This is an organized ambush on our plane. This is all a VERY unfriendly act. Straight ABSOLUTELY unfriendly PAD.LA Erdogan.
  • Lepila
    Lepila 25 November 2015 08: 18 New
    0
    Russia needs to supply modern weapons including air defense to the Kurds and strongly support the creation of an independent Kurdish state. And of course the boycott of Turkish resorts. Welcome to Israel.
  • shultc
    shultc 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    0
    Do you want war ?!
  • skrabplus.ru
    skrabplus.ru 25 November 2015 14: 41 New
    0
    V.V.P. He knows what to do, the outbreak of war and the provocateurs wanted to. Do smarter.
    Although, I would not refuse to look at the retaliation of the Russian Aerospace Forces ...
    Half-Turks will answer for everything!
  • anderles66
    anderles66 27 November 2015 09: 46 New
    0
    What are you! How brave you are! Are the lives of 150 million people behind you? I am sure that you yourself cannot protect yourself! Even the gopnik in the gateway is usually bold because he has a godfather who will protect. Who will help Russia? Tell me! Maybe Belarus, which sells weapons to Qatar?
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 24 November 2015 19: 27 New
    33
    They have a short memory. Sinop was also forgotten and how sorry they were at 45. They even forgot their own words. When a Turkish plane was shot down in Syria, clambering where they didn’t ask
  • Hubun
    Hubun 24 November 2015 19: 28 New
    +8
    the jocks shook by anyone when they still found out that the Pentagon had turned on the fool. From the Turkish government, a lifelong pension to the families of the victims at least
    1. dorz
      dorz 24 November 2015 19: 37 New
      22
      Masks removed ...
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 24 November 2015 19: 55 New
        +6
        Well, Europeans, take Turkey to your EU! Worthy "member"!
  • Finches
    Finches 24 November 2015 19: 29 New
    17
    Yes, it is clear that Erdogan, as an Islamist, shares with the leadership of the Islamic State! Especially in the share in the sale of free oil ... In addition to the tough answer at the official level, the Kurds need some money and weapons to throw ...!
  • Abakan
    Abakan 24 November 2015 19: 29 New
    +6
    start otmazyvatsya turn away from their stsuk (Turks) Scary !!!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2015 19: 36 New
      13
      Quote: Abakan
      start otmazyvatsya turn away from their stsuk (Turks) Scary !!!

      And now the most interesting part begins in this situation. Italy has disowned ... who is the next from the NATO camp to "scold" Erdogan? Let's see if the Turks will find support from their masters or not. But our Foreign Ministry has already stated that there is no need to go to Turkey .I think our tourists are hastily taken out.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 November 2015 19: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS
        who is next from NATO camp "scolds" Erdogan

        In general, even the states reported that they were not related to the actions of the Turkish Air Force. what
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 November 2015 19: 46 New
          +8
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In general, even the states reported that they were not related to the actions of the Turkish Air Force.

          That's when everyone understands everything and all vacationers outside Turkey are taken out, then we can talk to the Turks as an adult. In the meantime, we are waiting ...
          1. Rrrj
            Rrrj 24 November 2015 19: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            That's when everyone understands everything and all vacationers outside Turkey are taken out, then we can talk to the Turks as an adult. In the meantime, we are waiting ...

            Then the precedent will disappear. Strike while the iron is hot.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 November 2015 20: 04 New
              +8
              Quote: rrrj
              Then the precedent will disappear. Strike while the iron is hot.

              It was necessary to accompany the bomber with cover fighters, and not “chew the snot” and think it would blow through. There would be escort and “stuck” F-16 into the ground, then they would “forge iron.” And now it remains only to wait for confirmation of the death of the pilots and the removal all tourists abroad Turkey, in order to then take some more effective measures.
              1. TT62
                TT62 24 November 2015 20: 36 New
                +6
                At the training grounds and in the zombie show (rockets bounce, krauchs, mercury, etc.) for what? Now it seems to me that it is necessary to solve the problem with the pilots (God forbid that they were alive). And then "extinguish" the Turkish air defense by means of electronic warfare, which already fell, and burn all these asses. And there should not be any “partners” during our air strikes. And to burn, burn, burn give, moderate and all who are not in our trench.
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 24 November 2015 21: 05 New
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                It was necessary to accompany the bomber with fighter cover, and not “chew snot” and think maybe it’ll blow

                In hindsight it is easy to reason. Turkey had not shot down Russian planes before. And if ISIS missile defense systems appear, for example, Americans will give ISIS the destroyer Donald Cook. And you will again say that you had to fly at an altitude of more than 320 km.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Алексей_К

                  In hindsight it is easy to reason. Turkey had not shot down Russian planes before. And if ISIS missile defense systems appear, for example, Americans will give ISIS the destroyer Donald Cook. And you will again say that you had to fly at an altitude of more than 320 km.

                  There were DIRECT and NOT CONCEPTUAL statements by the Turkish side that our planes would be shot down. What does it have to do with the backdating number? Why are the SU-30s being flown to Latakia? For the beauty? The bomber should be accompanied by cover fighters. This is the ABC.
      2. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 24 November 2015 19: 49 New
        +2
        In short, the “partners” are slowly starting to merge Turkey
      3. Minstrel
        Minstrel 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS
        who is the next from the NATO camp to "scold" Erdogan?

        If I’m not mistaken, the President of the Czech Republic swept first. I saw the news on Rossiya-2 at 17-00
        1. 15ghost10
          15ghost10 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
          +3
          Yes, this grandfather is friends with his head. I will express my opinion on this. I think the Americans wanted to drag us into the war with Turkey, and if Russia got involved, they would immediately open a front in the east of Ukraine.
          As for the pilots, I would hope that the guys are alive. By the way, even the Germans did not allow themselves to shoot our ejected pilots. Russians, I wish everyone endurance, we will punish these ... you.
  • Cu6up9k
    Cu6up9k 24 November 2015 19: 29 New
    22
    Russia has to make a very difficult decision in this situation. Attempts to draw our country into the war are more and more frank and tougher.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 24 November 2015 19: 38 New
      12
      The counter-terrorist operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the SAR, through the efforts of our sworn enemies and provocations, can simultaneously take a different form: whoever sows the wind will reap the storm.

      Vladimir Putin: “Even 50 years ago, Leningradskaya Street taught me one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you must beat first.”

      Now there are so many contradictions in the world that "a fight is inevitable," and if such a task is set, then we will be drawn into it.

      Allies are defined, alliances too. CSTO is functioning.
      I want only one thing - the total destruction of enemies and their states, without unnecessary humanism and Russian generosity. History shows that all the same, Judah-states do not appreciate this, even if they owe us their freedom, life and statehood.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 24 November 2015 19: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        Counter-terrorist operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the SAR.
        Vladimir Putin: “Even 50 years ago, Leningradskaya Street taught me one rule: if a fight is inevitable, you must beat first.”



        III ??? Already given in the face ... Where are the actions except the words?
      2. sergeant1986
        sergeant1986 24 November 2015 20: 21 New
        +4
        Again at the time of rearmament they are trying to draw us in. We would have a couple more - three years !!!
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 24 November 2015 19: 29 New
    11
    and the deputy speaker of the Italian Senate accused Turkey of joining the war on the side of ISIS
    So it is. Not any opinion.
  • Delph
    Delph 24 November 2015 19: 30 New
    +9
    It doesn’t matter how “political” sounds, I think, the interpretation is, the main thing is that the answer should be adequate to the two lives of our guys and shed mother’s tears !!!
  • Same lech
    Same lech 24 November 2015 19: 31 New
    27
    Currently, the Russian Ministry of Defense is developing a set of measures to respond to such incidents.
    The fighting against terrorists in Syria will continue.

    The best answer is to place our S-300 and S-400 near the border with TURKEY ... as well as electronic warfare stations and turn them on every time you fly Turkish planes.
    In addition, it is necessary to continue striking at those who shot our pilots ... the Turks will now not be able to fool people about the peace-loving Turkmen in the area ... crush reptiles as well as ISIS ... from one field a berry.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 19: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: The same Lech
      The best answer is to place our S-300 and S-400 near the border with TURKEY ... as well as electronic warfare stations and turn them on every time you fly Turkish planes.

      When you turn on the EW avionics, it is quite possible to go crazy to fly into the territory of Syria to wet without warning.
    2. maai
      maai 24 November 2015 19: 48 New
      17
      They are already there, in one form or another.
      That "mechanisms are being developed to respond to such situations, etc." this is bullshit. Such things, and generally all “moments”, are miscalculated in normal minds - far in advance and for any prospect.
      The sky had long had to be closed tightly and thrown out of there all who were not at the invitation of Syria and without a UN mandate, and not "cooperate" with anybody and any "partners". The same France, under the pretext of responding to terrorist attacks, is now climbing anywhere and doing anything in the manner of the United States. In Libya, she played the first violin, and now the very Sarkozy who specifically participated there, now "goes to visit" Putin and counts on "trends."
      PS Given that all sorts of Serdyukovs and other "astronauts" are doing fine, good people, as always, are hit, and those born to crawl, as usual, manage flights - you can’t expect anything good.
      ...etc. etc.
  • 11 black
    11 black 24 November 2015 19: 31 New
    35
    The best that can now be done, as has already been said on TV, is to burn out, using napalm and cluster bombs, calibers and iskander, to turn into fertilizer all the manure that shot our pilots at the Turkish border (if they were really killed) so that every aslambek hall what if suddenly, under some circumstances, a Russian soldier gets in, they need to feed him, give him a drink, dress him up, apologize and let him go - that’s the only way!
  • gas113
    gas113 24 November 2015 19: 32 New
    11
    Thermobar them in akbar !!!! Turcomon powder !!!! Let the Turks cry
  • stayer
    stayer 24 November 2015 19: 32 New
    19
    Erdogan's son, Bilal, probably should go to Allah. First, the caravans of his hands are the work, well, justice must be God's ...
  • GDV
    GDV 24 November 2015 19: 33 New
    17
    Forgive the Lord, the soul of your servant Sergius, forgive all sins, free and involuntary, and grant the Kingdom of Heaven.
    To the relatives of condolences ... be fortified ... and pray your prayer for him for forty days most of all.
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    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: sober
      Bl ...... Again, did we swallow and say nothing?

      They didn’t keep silent and did not swallow!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 November 2015 20: 03 New
        0
        Already not silent and not swallowed
        Example. Blah blah is not considered.
        1. Rrrj
          Rrrj 24 November 2015 20: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: Gardamir
          They didn’t keep silent and did not swallow Example. Blah blah is not considered.

          But where were you guys used to be - in a previous article I was dipped and smeared into slops for such exclamations.
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 25 November 2015 00: 31 New
            +1
            what can marshal - not leitech :)
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 November 2015 19: 34 New
    11
    ... Deputy Speaker of the Italian Senate accused Turkey of joining the war on the side of ISIS

    The Turks showed who they really are ... in a word - as they were ENEMIES of Russia, they remained, vile jackals. am
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 24 November 2015 20: 31 New
      +6
      They beat the Turks and we will beat ... And who forgets ...... Recall!
  • zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 24 November 2015 19: 35 New
    17
    Rigidity is needed immediately in such matters, I hope our leadership will not mumble in words and in deed.
    And if they hit you on the right cheek, then hit in response and right in the nose!
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 21: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: zekaze1980
      Rigidity is needed immediately in such matters.

      You can immediately break such firewood!
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 24 November 2015 19: 36 New
    +1
    It is necessary to drive all these ambassadors.
  • polite people
    polite people 24 November 2015 19: 36 New
    11
    Kingdom of Heaven to a Russian warrior !!! soldier soldier soldier
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 November 2015 19: 37 New
    +8
    Turkey de facto supports ISIS. In my opinion, they are also our enemies, which entails an expansion of the conflict. These hostile steps should not be left unanswered. Tourists should be recalled, no food should be bought, and Igil oil should be burned with tanks and fuel trucks.
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  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
    14
    The feeling of “de vu” doesn’t leave me: Crimea, old enemies, a coalition of Anglo-Saxons, Turks, French ... True, the French are still not actively “against” us, but anything is possible ... Direct return to the era of the Crimean War in 1853 years. That war ended sadly for us. I hope that it will not reach the second Crimean one with a smooth transition to the third world ... oh, I really hope so.
    1. sergeant1986
      sergeant1986 24 November 2015 20: 25 New
      +2
      Then we did not have YARSOV and POPLO!
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 24 November 2015 20: 58 New
        0
        Then there were no railways in this direction.
  • Frigate
    Frigate 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
    18
    We consider the actions of the Turkish Air Force as an unfriendly act.

    This is actually a declaration of war. And this is done with the filing of the United States in order to look at Putin’s reaction. It will triple or respond as it should. Tobish the presence of modern weapons, that's not all, you still have to be a man to use it.
    1. plaha
      plaha 24 November 2015 23: 59 New
      +1
      Yes, there are several thousand of our tourists, if our answer is, at best they will go to a Turkish prison with women and children
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 25 November 2015 00: 03 New
        0
        Yes, there are several thousand of our tourists

        I found out - there are ten thousand tourists from the Russian Federation.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 25 November 2015 03: 09 New
          0
          Our people don’t take a taxi to the bakery.
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  • Natoiscoming
    Natoiscoming 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
    -32
    But what does Turkey have no right to defend its borders? They warned our diplomats many times about the consequences.
    1. stonks
      stonks 24 November 2015 19: 47 New
      +9
      The RF Ministry of Defense insists that the plane was shot down OVER THE SYRIAN TERRITORY and says that there is evidence of this.
    2. Dr.Serg
      Dr.Serg 24 November 2015 19: 53 New
      19
      And what? Did our plane attack Turkey? But Turkish planes flying into Syria, then the same need to shoot down? It flashed somewhere that one of the pilots was from Chelyabinsk ... I give a tip .. In this city there are several shish kebabs belonging to the Turks, the Turks work there ... they feed rot and slop ... and people hops ...
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    4. TOR2
      TOR2 24 November 2015 20: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: NatoIScoming
      why turkey does not have the right to defend its borders? They warned our diplomats many times about the consequences.

      For you a little history. At one time, "blackbirds" simply exhausted our air defense deliberately intruding into our airspace. It was possible to bring them down, but there is one very important nuance here. Where the debris will fall. If on our territory - then please a note of protest, etc. but if in neutral waters or the territory of another state, then the situation changes exactly the opposite, and here it doesn’t matter whether the plane was violated or not. They knew the “blackbirds” that they would receive ... and far from invading.
    5. sergeant1986
      sergeant1986 24 November 2015 20: 26 New
      +1
      It has. only we can shoot down all planes in its airspace with the permission of Syria. And I think that the sixteenths from heaven will begin to fall soon. Techs failures and so on.
  • kirillovleva
    kirillovleva 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
    +5
    another toothless - evacuate Russians and erase Ankara
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 19: 40 New
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    Is it Shoigu then soft? What to take with the attache? The answer is being prepared by our General Staff. To begin with, this mountain Latakia will be mixed with shit. No one will go across the border. This brigade, which boasted of the shooting of pilots, is indicative of destruction. Preferably, with the shooting. Well, allow Chechen volunteers to clean up this mountainous Latakia to the ground. Take prisoners only for interrogation. Not for long. At the same time, they will clean up their "crazy" ones. And then catch them all over the Caucasus.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 24 November 2015 19: 40 New
    +1
    How did they die!? After all, they catapulted, sort of !?
    1. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 24 November 2015 19: 43 New
      +2
      They started to shoot in the air. And the video shows that in the landing area they work with artillery or mortars. And they wrote that upon landing they captured and shot him.
    2. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 24 November 2015 19: 50 New
      +1
      They shot the guys in the air.
      These. lousy and bearded.
      .
      Burn, burn evil.
      Where are our Solntsepeks there?
    3. AlexTires
      AlexTires 24 November 2015 19: 55 New
      0
      shot in the air ...
  • BIA29-80
    BIA29-80 24 November 2015 19: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Bombardier
    His photo! Condolences to the family!

    Everlasting memory
  • stonks
    stonks 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +2
    The orientation of Turkish leaders to radical Islam has long been visible. Years.
    The Turkish president has forgotten Ataturk’s covenants and is trying (and he succeeds) to transform the secular state into Islamic.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +4
    Earth down dead.
    And there will be enough single flights for a combat mission, the life of our pilots is more important than reports to the public.
    ... Senate Deputy Chairman Roberto Calderoli, commenting on what happened, called Turkey "the Trojan horse of radical Islamists, which they use to shoot in the West."

    Turkey is more like a Trojan worm.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 24 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +9
    maneuvers of our fleet together with the Egyptian; support for Assad and the SAR and now a trip to Jordan-Putin sees the ring and a noose around Israel will work — Jews go all-in one of the accomplices of the mythical Isil Erdogan dropped his mask and showed his bestial grin; the next ht sheikhs saudi arabia and finally the main hypocrite israel
  • Yes I am Russian
    Yes I am Russian 24 November 2015 19: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: GDV
    Forgive the Lord, the soul of your servant Sergius, forgive all sins, free and involuntary, and grant the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Of course, I understand everything, but writing this is not the topic. you can pray to yourself.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 24 November 2015 19: 45 New
    +1
    Because of this toothlessness, we still lost the MI-24 helicopter while trying to find SUSHKI pilots! And we continue to smear something under the nose, so what?
  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 24 November 2015 19: 47 New
    +5
    We consider the actions of the Turkish Air Force as an unfriendly act.

    Your mother, you have to blurt out this.
  • sledge
    sledge 24 November 2015 19: 48 New
    +7
    Recall the Russian ambassador from Turkey and expel Turkish from Russia! Close the departure of Russians to Turkey !!!
  • ML-334
    ML-334 24 November 2015 19: 48 New
    +5
    It's time to show something like the "Chebarkul meteorite." Creepy and clear.
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  • Noctis
    Noctis 24 November 2015 19: 50 New
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    it's good that I'm not the president .... very good ... otherwise today everything is deep. contacts with Turkey would be interrupted. the border with Turkey is closed, all zarobitchane and other citizens of Turkey would go home. our embassy has been recalled. plus, I would definitely say that everything. ALL! military aircraft flying from Turkey to Syria (affiliation can be changed as once privateers changed flags) will be destroyed with a complete guarantee of the life of the pilots. and also see the Turkish stream and other developments. by decree. so that the business could not do anything. in the 19th century a war with Turkey would begin for IT. no options. and finally, the American Syrian version would have been adopted. "we are not against dialogue with Turkey, BUT! ERDOGAN should not be there!"
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 November 2015 19: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Noctis
      it's good that I'm not the president ...

      And I am also very happy! We cooked porridge! sad
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 24 November 2015 20: 19 New
        +6
        ... but that would be JUST!
  • skurazhov
    skurazhov 24 November 2015 19: 51 New
    +3
    Nehera almond! Declare war on the Turks! Let NATO shred in his pants! We will fight!
    1. nikpwolf
      nikpwolf 24 November 2015 20: 54 New
      0
      Quote: skurazhov
      Nehera almond! Declare war on the Turks! Let NATO shred in his pants! We will fight!

      And have to fight with all the pack. The Americans will make a fuss, do not go to a fortuneteller. Already a couple of operational plans in the Pentagon are being procrastinated. Here is a gift then. And you have to interrupt with your blood. And they need it. Yes, we will also be declared aggressors. And their electorate is grabbing for a sweet soul. The soil has long been ready. Remember the war with the "valiant" Georgians? How many of us were killed there right away? Total? Russia attacked unhappy Georgia. And made all the neckties chew. Barbarians. You can’t fight the Ottomans, but polish the Turkish-Syrian border with everything you have to the dead zone (and world opinion is fucked up), and rub it gently with the Kurds (give them some money and a bit of weapons), and Ramzan (call it moderate Turkish opposition) take a walk there. I requested. And we really score on everything Turkish. This, I think, is possible. That's how it is somehow.
    2. da n ya 1914
      da n ya 1914 25 November 2015 22: 01 New
      0
      Probably soon we will hang a shield, the king of the city on the gates.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 24 November 2015 19: 51 New
    +2
    Let us remember our Falcons!
  • KBR109
    KBR109 24 November 2015 19: 52 New
    +6
    If by reason, then it would be worthwhile to put weapons to the Kurds, including MANPADS. Well, and, if possible, to catch a couple of Turkish Eraplans over the territory of Syria.
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 24 November 2015 20: 00 New
      +1
      why only over the territory of Syria? Near the Syrian border is preferable!
  • dosyl
    dosyl 24 November 2015 19: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    Unfriendly act in 9: 30! now 19: 42! And where is the gap in diplomatic relations? Foreign Ministry notes? Convocation of the UN Security Council !?

    Maybe sitting on the couch, you’ll declare war as well ?! Strategist. And you’ll go to it yourself? This is a provocation of mattresses, and it’s very tricky. What reaction will RUSSIA have on a NATO member.
  • onix757
    onix757 24 November 2015 19: 53 New
    +7
    Our power will rub off as usual. Because it was necessary at one time not to warm stools with Chubais, but to engage in industry. So we have a blown up bubble of ratings, propaganda and public relations instead of real power respected throughout the world.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 November 2015 20: 09 New
      +8
      Our power will rub off as usual.
      most likely revenge on Turkey with a discount on gas.
  • kergudu straight
    kergudu straight 24 November 2015 19: 54 New
    +6
    Dismantle the base from where these F-16s took off, so that other Turkish pilots first wondered if it was worth taking RUSSIAN airplanes in sight and what consequences it would lead to.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 24 November 2015 19: 55 New
    +6
    It is interesting what would happen to the Turks if they shot down an American plane like that ...
    IMHO, Turkey alone would become smaller, and the survivors would live happily ever after in Guantanomo ... nits ...
  • Hiw
    Hiw 24 November 2015 19: 56 New
    +5
    only cold counting and counting the countermeasures, of course, declaring war on it is not rational, but to say that we have launched a new air defense program that includes tracking and destroying all objects that are less than 300 km closer to Russian military aircraft located in Syria - this will be logical . It is also necessary to increase the presence of the VKS in the territory of Syria and increase the support group - helicopters, s-400 complexes, armor, contingent of airborne rapid reaction, additional forces of artillery and missile forces will not interfere. And of course, increase the intensity of strikes on objects of the silent business ig. This will be a blow to the kidney from which they don’t fall but cannot breathe
    1. Teplohod
      Teplohod 24 November 2015 22: 11 New
      0
      Yes, we may not even declare it, we have only been announced by actual actions
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 24 November 2015 19: 57 New
    +2
    We consider the actions of the Turkish Air Force as an unfriendly act.


    This is a real act of war, requiring an immediate response!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 November 2015 20: 48 New
      0
      The answer will be a protest note of our Foreign Ministry, and then a quick drain of the whole situation to a complete settlement - remember the Ukrainian shelling of our border territory in 2014.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 24 November 2015 19: 57 New
    +7
    It is known that a Turkish missile hit our plane at a time when it was a kilometer from the Syrian border with this country. The instantly flashed bomber flew about another three kilometers before it crashed to the ground. According to eyewitnesses, this time was enough for both crew members to safely leave the car. But, unfortunately, this happened over the area occupied by the so-called "moderate opposition." Namely, the “Syrian Free Army” (SSA).

    Well, and what did these “moderate” do? So far, there is only a report from the Associated Press. According to the agency, the Russian pilots landed over the location of the "10th Coast Brigade" SSA. According to some reports, the militants of this brigade began to shoot from the ground in a dash to shoot the Russian military who were in a helpless position. According to the Associated Press, a certain Jahed Ahmad, one of the crew members of the bomber with this fire was killed before landing. The second is said to have been captured.

    But there is another version of events. According to Reuters, referring to “one of the military leaders of the Syrian Turkmen,” his men were shot dead by both Russian officers after landing.


    Mixing with the stones these "moderate" for the death of their comrades-in-arms is the task of the VKS! There are no good or bad terrorists. A jackals on the adjacent side to shoot down on approaching warning for 0,5 seconds!
  • UVB
    UVB 24 November 2015 19: 58 New
    12
    Such infa has appeared, I quote: “The Syrian S-400, which is not officially registered there, has joined. According to an informed source, the complex“ conducts ”all Turkish military fighters near the border with Syria.

    There has not yet been an order to shoot down, but it can arrive at any second, as soon as Russia considers that Turkish fighters crossed the Syrian border for 5-10 seconds, the source said.

    There is no more detailed information yet, but most likely Russia has actually activated the air defense / missile defense systems for Turkish targets in order to secure the search mission. At the moment, it can be stated that the Turkish Air Force is regarded as hostile, which means that any entry into the affected area will be considered an attack and Turkish aircraft will be shot down.
    1. Bogranz
      Bogranz 24 November 2015 20: 15 New
      +2
      As far as I understand, the range is quite reachable so that the S-400 can control the Syrian-Turkish border. The only question is whether they are in Syria and whether they decide to use them in such situations.
    2. AKS-U
      AKS-U 24 November 2015 20: 17 New
      +2
      it is very good. as well as an unmanned zone.
    3. arnulla
      arnulla 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
      0
      This info was still in the afternoon
    4. 1536
      1536 25 November 2015 02: 04 New
      0
      That would be too good to be true!
      Alas, judging by our reaction, judging by how calmly they say about 10 to thousands of our tourists vacationing on the beaches of Turkey, as the experts say about the "construction business" of the Turks in Russia, Turkish fruits, skin and condoms, we have to wait following downed planes and helicopters. Our planes and helicopters!
      There is only one way out - to change the tactics of warfare in Syria and to destroy all life in the given territory where the terrorists settled, even if they are on the border with Turkey. No one will ever do this, and therefore all references to the C-300 and C-400 for the Turkish Air Force are just references. We need to think that it is possible to punish rabid dogs, but whether this will make them less.
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 24 November 2015 19: 58 New
    -3
    Quote: almamatkulov.79
    Russian !!! Let's unite the Ankara tourism business! I never went to Muslim dogs, but now I won’t go too!

    You are a Christian dog,. You know how many Muslims are in Russia. Jackals are in any religion and you are one of them.
    And Erdogan will still be responsible for his actions.
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  • V.ic
    V.ic 24 November 2015 19: 59 New
    14
    It means ... My opinion: raise the A-50 while working on ISIS (all planes remaining in service)! EW jamming on the air EVERYTHING that will pose a potential threat. "Fuck you" the whole connection of the "Ingirliks" and other dog lovers of our "sworn friends" (F-16 could well be from there, and not far from the area where our Su-24 was shot down, by the way). Why not try using an EMP weapon before flying. It’s quite realistic: they depicted the pre-flight hustle, taxiing out, imitation of the take-off of the group, then the “carpet” and a small drone at an altitude of 3-5 thousand meters initiates electromagnetic radiation. At least you can cover the takeoff of the group. Before returning the group for about 10 minutes, also undermine a couple of drones with EMI equipment with the overlapping of the fourth reversal zone. A dozen other uses of such weapons will burn out all the sensitive electronics of "sworn friends".
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 24 November 2015 20: 16 New
      +2
      These are open hostilities. Although in Syria we can include anything we want Wait for the wonders of our diplomats.
    2. CadetXXX
      CadetXXX 24 November 2015 20: 23 New
      +3
      It's easier to drop the Iskander on them.