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Major success of the Syrian army in the province of Aleppo: blockade removed from the Kveyris airbase

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Today, the Syrian army managed to achieve a major victory over the militants in the province of Aleppo. The Syrian armed forces broke through the blockade of the air base in the area of ​​Quairis. The blockade by terrorists of the airbase, where Syrian military personnel were near 800, lasted more than two years. All this time, Syrian soldiers, surrounded by militants, were not let go of weapons and, deprived of communication with the main Syrian forces, attempted to break out of the "steel" ring.


Major success of the Syrian army in the province of Aleppo: blockade removed from the Kveyris airbase


It is reported that before breaking the blockade of the Quereis Syrian Air Base aviation inflicted a series of airstrikes on the militants of the Islamic State. Accurate data on the losses of the militants is not reported, however, the Arabic-language information resources report said that "there were many killed among the terrorists."

Information Agency SANA reports that scattered militant groups are trying to hold their positions in the Kveyris area, but the upcoming Syrian army leaves the militants no chance.

In addition to the success in Quairis, the Syrian armed forces launched a series of attacks in other parts of the province of Aleppo. Thus, in the city itself (Aleppo), UAR army units launched an attack on the positions of militants of Dzhebhat al-Nusra, as a result of which they were dislodged from their positions in the districts of Al-Sheikh Sa'id, Al-Castello and Al-Ansari. In Al-Halyabiya quarter, ammunition and weapons depots of a terrorist group were destroyed.

The Syrian army continues to advance in the capital province of Damascus. According to the latest data, in one of the suburbs of Damascus - Eastern Ghouta - ATS army units freed from terrorists the Al-Mahalej district and plantations in its vicinity, where the positions of militants "Dzhebhat al-Nusra" and other groups were located.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 10 November 2015 20: 33 New
    102
    Qatar from the USA - indignant!



    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 10 November 2015 20: 35 New
      26
      Yeah, catarrh of the gastrointestinal tract in the Yankees! am
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 November 2015 20: 49 New
        70
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Yeah, catarrh of the gastrointestinal tract in the Yankees!

        Министр оборон Катара Хамад бин Халифа Аль Тани-и есть заказчик теракта нашего самолета в Египте.И нашим спец службам бы отработать так,чтоб этот выродок исчез,дабы другим неповадно было "заказывать" такие акции.Чтоб знали,что независимо от звания,политического веса,состояния их найдут и убьют,если они попробуют сделать заказ на теракт,направленный на убийство русских людей.
        Now, according to the article ... they recaptured the air base, now it is also possible to gain a foothold and additional forces of the Russian Air Force there ...
        1. arane
          arane 10 November 2015 23: 59 New
          12
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Yeah, catarrh of the gastrointestinal tract in the Yankees!

          Министр оборон Катара Хамад бин Халифа Аль Тани-и есть заказчик теракта нашего самолета в Египте.И нашим спец службам бы отработать так,чтоб этот выродок исчез,дабы другим неповадно было "заказывать" такие акции.Чтоб знали,что независимо от звания,политического веса,состояния их найдут и убьют,если они попробуют сделать заказ на теракт,направленный на убийство русских людей.
          Now, according to the article ... they recaptured the air base, now it is also possible to gain a foothold and additional forces of the Russian Air Force there ...

          Today there was infa that our two curators and technical managers of the attack on our plane were tied up in Yemen. Both employees are Cru. They were taken aboard to Moscow along with the equipment. The Saudis tried to interfere, they even threatened to bring us down when our side flew out of the sun!

          But the source ....... In general, maybe another fake, we will see
          1. Koresh
            Koresh 11 November 2015 00: 26 New
            16
            and we Lutsenko said that a better pederast parade in Kiev than Russian tanks! So it means pi * Aras will save my country ???
            "Некоторые изобретательные украинцы приезжают в Европу и заявляют, что они ЛГБТ и что, мол, в нашей стране их права не гарантируются, а, например, в Голландии гарантируются. И на этом основании они автоматически получают убежище. И, конечно, Голландия говорит: ну измените законодательство, не давайте возможность таким мошенническим путем обвинять Украину в незащищенности прав того или иного сообщества", - рассказал парламентарий.
            ON THIS TOPIC
            Tracking and contracts. What's New in the Labor Code
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            7 November 2015, 17: 33
            Он повторил свое мнение касательно данного вопроса, озвученное ранее: "Лучше педераст-парад на Крещатике, чем российские танки в центре украинской столицы. Я считаю, что если мы идем в Европу, мы должны признавать принятые правила в европейском сообществе". Лидер фракции также отметил, что поддержка этой поправки не означает поддержку образа жизни меньшинств, но он лично считает невозможным ущемление их прав при приеме на работу по этому признаку.
            По словам политика, Верховная Рада может вернуться к рассмотрению данного вопроса, когда будет видение, что для его одобрения есть большинство. "К сожалению, в двух-трех фракциях есть большие сомнения. Фракция "Самопомощь" вся отказывается голосовать по этому закону, и значительная часть "Народного фронта" также не готова к этому голосованию", - рассказал Луценко.
            1. Приговор
              Приговор 11 November 2015 02: 27 New
              +6
              Do not pay attention to the stupid statements of the Nazi clowns. These are temporary workers.
            2. anfil
              anfil 11 November 2015 07: 07 New
              11
              Korech

              ..."Некоторые изобретательные украинцы приезжают в Европу и заявляют, что они ЛГБТ и что, мол, в нашей стране их права не гарантируются, а, например, в Голландии гарантируются. И на этом основании они автоматически получают убежище...


              Interestingly, a CONTROL check that they are LGBT belay
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        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 11 November 2015 00: 08 New
          14
          they recaptured the air base, now it is also possible to gain a foothold and the additional forces of the Russian Air Force there ...


          No need to post. But the jump bands are perfect. But for the Syrian attack aircraft, the ideal platform to smash caravans from Turkey. They walk there for about a hundred kilometers on bare terrain, not a tree or ditch. Some bones of devils.
        3. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 11 November 2015 00: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Министр оборон Катара Хамад бин Халифа Аль Тани-и есть заказчик теракта нашего самолета в Египте.И нашим спец службам бы отработать так,чтоб этот выродок исчез,дабы другим неповадно было "заказывать" такие акции.Чтоб знали,что независимо от звания,политического веса,состояния их найдут и убьют,если они попробуют сделать заказ на теракт,направленный на убийство русских людей.

          Yes, you, my friend, directly spoke in the words of Satanovsky ... Or is he yours? laughing
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 November 2015 00: 20 New
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            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            Yes, you, my friend, directly spoke in the words of Satanovsky ... Or is he yours?

            Believe it or not, I absolutely agree with his point of view and even considered it that way before his statement. I am convinced that this position is true and justified. 25 children of the killed! Not only the performers should answer for this. Or do you have a different opinion?
            Best regards hi
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 11 November 2015 14: 29 New
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              .Or do you have a different opinion?

              I respect Yevgeny Yanovich for directness and presentation style hi
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 12 November 2015 10: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Not only performers should answer for this. Or do you have a different opinion?

              sad I would have extinguished their closest relatives and all their offspring so that their families would disappear without a trace, and so that others would know what would happen to them and thought and weighed it a million times before deciding on such a thing.
        4. Cheshire
          Cheshire 11 November 2015 07: 01 New
          +2
          they recaptured the air base, now it is also possible to gain a foothold and the additional forces of the Russian Air Force there ...

          there is hardly a strip intact, first inspection and repair. And then, why not place it, from Kveiris to Racca much closer.
        5. shpilkerman
          shpilkerman 11 November 2015 10: 34 New
          -1
          And you can link to the resource where you can read about this attack?
        6. stavr550
          stavr550 11 November 2015 20: 43 New
          0
          all evil in .. SSHA .ii to your grandmother I DO NOT GO THE CENSOR did not let everything that I think of them
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 11 November 2015 00: 40 New
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        I don’t know how Qatar is, but they have diarrhea.
        At bmpd posted a photo from the NTV report about the meeting held on November 9, 2015 under the chairmanship of Putin on the development of the defense industry. I quote.
        Назначение Океанской многоцелевой системы статус6 - "Поражение важных объектов экономики противника в районе побережья и нанесение гарантированного неприемлемого ущерба территории страны путем создания зон обширного радиоактивного заражения, непригодных для осуществления в этих зонах военной, хозяйственно-экономической и иной деятельности в течении длительного времени"

        В качестве предполагаемых носителей вверху слева изображена строящаяся атомная подводная лодка специального назначения "Белгород" проекта 09852, справа - строящаяся атомная подводная лодка специального назначения "Хабаровск" проекта 09851.
        It seems the mattresses were right about our nuclear-powered underwater drones. am
    2. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 10 November 2015 20: 38 New
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      Quote: DEZINTO
      Qatar from the USA - indignant!

      And us army!
      Well done! Guys in siege were tortured. Finally, the siege was lifted.

      1. mirag2
        mirag2 10 November 2015 20: 43 New
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        Almost the topic: I remember somehow arguing here - I said that I saw someone in Syria shooting from the shoulder with LNG-9, they didn’t believe me ... By chance now I came across a video similar towith 1.35 LNG shot from the shoulder:
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 07 New
          +6
          Really terminator! Schwarzenegger is resting.
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 12 November 2015 09: 51 New
          0
          Incidentally, I’ve come across a video similar to that from the 1.35 shot from the shoulder of LNG:

          It is interesting.
          And at 3.33, the noble peramoga is generally wassat
      2. cniza
        cniza 10 November 2015 21: 24 New
        22
        Quote: Vladimir
        Quote: DEZINTO
        Qatar from the USA - indignant!

        And us army!
        Well done! Guys in siege were tortured. Finally, the siege was lifted.



        Two years 800 people ... these are real warriors, honor and praise to them.
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    3. Civil
      Civil 10 November 2015 20: 40 New
      11
      800 man held on to 2 of the year? Who will explain how this is possible?
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 10 November 2015 20: 44 New
        +6
        And do you think army units on the scale of 2MB operate in Syria?
      2. Volodin
        Volodin 10 November 2015 20: 44 New
        41
        800 man held on to 2 of the year? Who will explain how this is possible?


        Garrison fortress Osovets you would have explained.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 10 November 2015 23: 01 New
          10
          Quote: Volodin
          Garrison fortress Osovets you would have explained.


          and garrisons of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, as well as the Solovetsky Monastery
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 10 November 2015 23: 04 New
          0
          Yeah ... only there were RUSSIAN warriors ... and not Arabs ... catch the difference?
          1. arane
            arane 11 November 2015 00: 46 New
            +5
            So it, so in Aleppo and not the Germans are fighting .....
            But seriously, it all comes down to supply. T e food, ammunition, medicines. Or there was no complete blockade
        3. Insurgent LC
          Insurgent LC 11 November 2015 20: 22 New
          +3
          eh a film would be shot about the heroes of Osovtsy men fought to the end even after using chemical weapons bleeding spitting out lungs put to flight the superior forces of the Fritz and Hans. After the dead, the last feat of Osovets defenders who are interested in google.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 11 November 2015 21: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: LPR Insurgent
            anyone interested google


            Проще всего - на этом же сайте. ЕМНИП, с месяц назад была здесь статья "Атака мертвецов"
      3. 3officer
        3officer 10 November 2015 20: 54 New
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        I saw a live news report, where a journalist flew on MI 8 to the besieged Deir ez-Zor. There is a similar situation now (enclave of government troops), all the supply and rotation of the military are only by air.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 05: 12 New
          +3
          also saw .... not a landing, but a dive. The main thing there is ammo and water ....
      4. Awaz
        Awaz 10 November 2015 21: 07 New
        +3
        Assad’s army even has aviation, but for how many months bandits have been fighting in the encirclement, for example, in Damascus or between a hama and a homs.
      5. atalef
        atalef 10 November 2015 21: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        800 man held on to 2 of the year? Who will explain how this is possible?

        No, actually there was no blockade.
        Well, it's like a blockade of the Donetsk airport.
        It’s like a blockade, and rotation was carried out every 3 weeks and, of course, food and water were brought.
        But how?
        in Syria it’s not in the middle zone of Russia, you don’t dig up wells, there are no rains from March to October.
        Where is the water for 800 people, they camels that they didn’t drink for 2 years?
        1. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 10 November 2015 23: 43 New
          +6
          You know better ... Your offspring surrounded the base ...
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 11 November 2015 05: 13 New
            +4
            ... not the offspring-Jews do not bother with this. rather up feeding .. bully
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 11 November 2015 04: 52 New
          +1
          The blockade was, and deliveries went through the air. No need to distort.
      6. dauria
        dauria 10 November 2015 23: 03 New
        +6
        800 man held on to 2 of the year? Who will explain how this is possible?


        Just because no one created an advantage for the advancing 1 to 3, there was no single command and plan. And a burning desire to put half a man. So about ...
      7. Asadullah
        Asadullah 11 November 2015 00: 15 New
        +4
        Who will explain how this is possible?


        So they are like suicide bombers. Or die in battle, or be tortured by terrible torture.
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 10 November 2015 20: 47 New
      +5
      Soon, the igilovites will run to their sponsors.
    5. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 10 November 2015 21: 00 New
      +3
      Yes, and let them be indignant))) by the way, it seems like before that they didn’t really and strongly heard everything about the Syrian air force ?! and then the bats .... and they fly and even bomb someone .... the campaign our repair kits planted))))
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 10 November 2015 21: 04 New
      0
      800 people? 2 years under siege? What is it like? What did they eat, what did they shoot back with? soldier
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 10 November 2015 21: 34 New
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        Syrian army inside Kuwait Air Base:
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 10 November 2015 21: 38 New
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        They were supplied with saa by air for 2 years, breaking through the fire of snacks. Kveyris, by the way, tried to take the babahs with tanks, most of the armored vehicles on the approaches then remained. Moreover, different groups tried to take, but no one could. This is a great success for the Syrians. So now saa have their real heroes, moreover, alive. Well, in terms of tactics - part of the northern grouping ig turned out to be in a semicircle. So I think that saa will now begin to attack the TES. In any case, the day for saa is successful. Once again, the Mughair lost in the morning seems to have been recaptured, an offensive to the southwest of Aleppo is developing. Tha saa good luck.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 10 New
          +9
          For more than four years of the war, the Syrian army has turned into an army of heroes, just as the Soviet army defeated German fascism.
      3. vsoltan
        vsoltan 10 November 2015 23: 05 New
        0
        Well there, Troy 10 kept on for years ... :)
    7. fif21
      fif21 10 November 2015 22: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Qatar from the USA - indignant!

      And those and others to the count, and this also in the pork skin.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 10 November 2015 23: 05 New
        +6
        Quote: fif21
        And those and others to the count, and this also in the pork skin.


        But the United States, why in the pork skin?
        The United States is just a stake, and Qatar is just a pork skin - sewn close-fitting into a freshly peeled skin, and in the sun ... am
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    9. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 10 November 2015 22: 29 New
      +8
      in Israel, it’s generally hysterical, their beloved Sunnis were pinched
      1. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 10 November 2015 23: 48 New
        +3
        Ага))но еще больше истерика будет когда вахабиты захотят вернутся домой в изараел ,к "маме и папе"))
    10. glavnykarapuz
      glavnykarapuz 11 November 2015 23: 13 New
      +2
      Мания величия у "зажравшихся" карликов-pseudostates (Saudi, Qatar and other Bahrain with the emirates) is the first signal of danger.
      В аналогии с мелкими представителями рода собачих, такие "шавки" отличаются мерзопакостными и подлым характером, что для таких государств выражается в условно-тайном(тайну делают лишь формальную, т.к. как и в параллели с собачьим миром, такие "тявки" наглеют только при наличии рядом главаря из своей своры) финансировании всяческого террористического отребья.
      "Зажратые" арабы(нефтяные квазигосударства) уже на своей "шкуре" почувствовали в Йемене, что такая настоящая "трепка". Йеменские бородатые мужички не очень любят чужаков - убивают и калечат по настоящему, не в телевизоре, почуяли наконец эти "спонсоры" ваххабизма на своей шкуре - это им не бородатых "аллыВбар" деньгами дистанционно спонсировать. wink
      P.S. The second picture is generally in the subject.
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  2. gammipapa
    gammipapa 10 November 2015 20: 36 New
    11
    God grant them courage and good luck, well done!
  3. horoh
    horoh 10 November 2015 20: 36 New
    +8
    Well, gradually, little by little but forward !!
  4. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 10 November 2015 20: 38 New
    32
    Break their whole sport, if you can’t economy, DB !!!
    1. DDR
      DDR 10 November 2015 21: 35 New
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      Quote: SCHNIFER
      Break their whole sport, if you can’t economy, DB !!!

      What a disgusting erysipelas laughing
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 10 November 2015 21: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: DDR
        What a disgusting erysipelas

        But do monkeys have cute faces?)
        1. Waroc
          Waroc 10 November 2015 22: 33 New
          +8
          There are monkeys, but no pin-owls!)
        2. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 10 November 2015 23: 37 New
          +7
          Quote: mihasik
          But do monkeys have cute faces?)

          all are supervised
  5. lobik
    lobik 10 November 2015 20: 38 New
    +5
    Well done. Only truce is not necessary.
  6. for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 10 November 2015 20: 44 New
    +6
    Quote: Civil
    800 man held on to 2 of the year? Who will explain how this is possible?

    Another question is how to step so that 800 people do not smoke for 2 years))
    1. man_of_war
      man_of_war 10 November 2015 21: 17 New
      +3
      ИМХО, у любой военной базы есть приличный охранный периметр, а если еще и успели подготовиться и был запас БК и провизии то думаю можно .... если у противника нет ничего "очень тяжелого"...
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 12 New
      +2
      Just like in Brest.
  7. wild
    wild 10 November 2015 20: 47 New
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    They were supplied, so they fought, but like Leningrad, during the blockade, both lived and fought.
  8. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 10 November 2015 20: 48 New
    +8
    This major success of the Syrian army would not have been possible without the support of the Russian air forces, this also must be admitted honestly.
  9. prostofily
    prostofily 10 November 2015 20: 56 New
    +5
    And now, think what it is to take and fight off a dozen villages. So really push.
  10. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 10 November 2015 20: 56 New
    +5
    Молодцы - а теперь расширить и закрепить .Там неплохо бы смотрелась эскадрилья "крокодилов" .
    Ours for the sake of such a thing could give the Allies machines 20 so, patrol the border with Turkey and su 25 a couple of dozen for the same. But it is the Syrians, and not ext. transfer your strength.
  11. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 10 November 2015 20: 59 New
    +4
    It is reported that before breaking the blockade of the Kveiris air base, Syrian aviation launched a series of airstrikes on Islamic State fighters.

    So Syrian aviation has become more active thanks to our aviation! If it weren’t for us, it’s unlikely that the Yankers with their allies would allow Syrian aviation to act so actively in Syria - for sure, without asking anyone they would enter no-fly zones!
  12. tilix
    tilix 10 November 2015 21: 03 New
    +4
    Meanwhile, the civilian population (ISIS rockets) is dying in Latakia:
    23 dead 43 wounded, and you laugh at our dome. That's why he is.
    <http://www.syriahr.com/2015/11/أكثر-من-63-استشهدوا-وقضوا-وجرحوا-حتى-الآ/>
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    2. Horly
      Horly 10 November 2015 21: 12 New
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      Смеются те, кто не понимает, что такое ПВО на войне. Мой отец воевал во Вьетнаме на С-75 и каждую бомбежку гражданских об'ектов вспоминал всегда с болью до конца своих дней. Как будто считал себя виноватым в гибели мирных жителей, особенно, детей... Он немного об этом рассказывал, но всегда говорил: "Этот народ нельзя было победить!"
      1. tilix
        tilix 10 November 2015 21: 21 New
        +9
        doesn't understand what air defense in war is
        Unfortunately, the doctrine of modern warfare involves attacks by civilians and non-civilians. It should, it seems to me, protect the civilian population like any military object in the sense of air defense and missile defense.
    3. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 10 November 2015 21: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: tilix
      Meanwhile, the civilian population (ISIS rockets) is dying in Latakia:


      and you are laughing at our dome. That's why he is.
      <http://www.syriahr.com/2015/11/أكثر-من-63-استشهدوا-وقضوا-
      وجرحوا-حتى-الآ/>


      Well, we have our own dome, Russian air defense is no worse than Israeli. But Latakia is far away and, unfortunately, there is nothing to help her yet.
      1. tilix
        tilix 10 November 2015 21: 23 New
        +1
        Russian air defense is no worse
        Yes, for God's sake, I do not mind, but here rockets (Grads) covered the city. ABM means.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 November 2015 21: 32 New
          +6
          Quote: tilix
          Yes, for God's sake, I do not mind, but here rockets (Grads) covered the city. ABM means.

          There is Mercury against Grad, but I have not heard that these electronic warfare systems are being transferred to Syria. hi
          1. tilix
            tilix 10 November 2015 21: 35 New
            +7
            Against Grads there is Mercury
            So how does mercury against hail work? They are not radio-controlled, a blank flies (with explosives) and flies. Maybe you meant another system.
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            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 November 2015 21: 40 New
              10
              Quote: tilix
              Against Grads there is Mercury
              So how does mercury against hail work? They are not radio-controlled, a blank flies (with explosives) and flies. Maybe you meant another system.


              As well as against the Tornadoes.
              1. Wiski
                Wiski 10 November 2015 22: 19 New
                0
                The main purpose of electronic equipment mounted on a tracked vehicle is to counter managed armament of the enemy, as well as ammunition equipped fuses.


                And what does this have to do with hail, for example?
                1. arane
                  arane 11 November 2015 00: 53 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Wiski
                  The main purpose of electronic equipment mounted on a tracked vehicle is to counter managed armament of the enemy, as well as ammunition equipped fuses.


                  And what does this have to do with hail, for example?

                  Имеется ввиду не только радиоуправляемое, а и к ракетам, у которых есть "мозг" и системы типа высотомеров, и других датчиков умного подрыва. К градам это никак не относится. Ей пофиг на любую рэб
              2. Konstantin 121
                Konstantin 121 11 November 2015 03: 59 New
                0
                Here is a more complete version
                https://youtu.be/LsGvNWTzvgQ
          2. atalef
            atalef 10 November 2015 21: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: tilix
            Yes, for God's sake, I do not mind, but here rockets (Grads) covered the city. ABM means.

            There is Mercury against Grad, but I have not heard that these electronic warfare systems are being transferred to Syria. hi

            EW vs Grad belay
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 November 2015 21: 58 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              EW vs Grad

              А Ваша "Стена" на такое способна? wink
              1. tilix
                tilix 10 November 2015 22: 09 New
                +2
                Dome (tested in real world)
                The Iron Cupid (Hebrew כיפת ברזל - Kipat Barzel, English Iron House - Iron House) is a tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with a flight range from 4 to 70 kilometers [7]. Designed by the Israeli company Rafael.

                Each battery can protect an area of ​​150 square kilometers

                Capable of it.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 11 New
                  10
                  Quote: tilix
                  Capable of it.

                  From multiple launch rocket systems in a simultaneous salvo of which, for example, 100 missiles (I will not say anything about large numbers) and at the same time knock 100 out of a hundred? repeat Oh oh laughing
                  1. tilix
                    tilix 10 November 2015 22: 16 New
                    +4
                    I wrote to you what the dome is really capable of. When this system (mercury) really provides some results live, for example, in Syria or on the border with Ukraine, from where something flies from time to time, then we'll talk.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 10 November 2015 22: 27 New
                      -12
                      Quote: tilix
                      When this system (mercury) really provides some results live, for example, in Syria or on the border with Ukraine, from where something flies from time to time, then we'll talk.

                      Mercury works only on its own artillery systems and is intended solely to prevent defeat by Friendly Fire or systems made in Russia
                      Machine 1L29 is a means of electronic warfare and is designed to reduce the impact of the striking elements of artillery shells on friendly troops and armored vehicles by influencing the operation mode of a radio fuse. SPR-2 is capable of undermining a projectile at a safe height or transfer the operation mode of the radio fuse to contact. The main places of use are first-tier troops, command posts, troop concentrations and launchers. Also, "Mercury-B" can be used to cover moving objects in places of crossing [1].
                      1. tilix
                        tilix 10 November 2015 22: 36 New
                        +1
                        Mercury only works on its own artillery systems

                        Thank you, dear, I just tried, politely, to explain to my opponent that well, the fake is checked by action. Real. And so, empty words and nothing behind them.
                      2. NyeMoNik70
                        NyeMoNik70 11 November 2015 03: 49 New
                        +4
                        "...только по собственным артиллерийским системам".
                        Some rockets just recently flew 300 km.

                        "...ну фейк проверяется действием. Реальным."
                        If now it REALLY starts flying in your direction (for servicing the terrorists), then you can hide, aha under the dome, a circus. If you have it. Your salvation is the rejection of the logistics of terrorists.
                    2. figvam3
                      figvam3 10 November 2015 22: 49 New
                      +4
                      SPR-2 "Mercury-B" (GRAU Index - 1L29) is a Soviet station for interfering with radio-explosive ordnance of ammunition. It was initially developed on the basis of the BTR-70 armored personnel carrier at the Gradient All-Russian Research Institute, but during the RTR-B development, the station was transferred to the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier. In this configuration, the station was put into service in 1985 with the assignment of the SPR-2 index "Mercury-B". It was produced at the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Bryansk Electromechanical Plant. The 1L29 machine is a means of electronic warfare and is designed to reduce the impact of the damaging elements of artillery shells on friendly troops and armored vehicles by influencing the operation mode of a radio fuse. SPR-2 is capable of undermining a projectile at a safe height or translating the operation mode of a radio fuse into contact
                    3. Ramzaj99
                      Ramzaj99 10 November 2015 22: 54 New
                      +5
                      You contradict yourself .....
                      Mercury works only on its own artillery systems and is intended solely to prevent damage from Friendly Fire.

                      and right there:
                      The main places of use are first-tier troops, command posts, troop concentrations and launchers. Also, "Mercury-B" can be used to cover moving objects in places of crossing [1].

                      Actually, the first echelon, this is an advanced one, a place of direct contact with the enemy.
                      "Ртуть" работает по ЛЮБЫМ боеприпасам , у которых стоят электронные (радио) взрыватели дистанционного подрыва.
                      About the destruction of ammunition only made in Russia-this is nonsense.
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                2. atalef
                  atalef 10 November 2015 22: 16 New
                  -11
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: tilix
                  Capable of it.

                  From multiple launch rocket systems in a simultaneous salvo of which, for example, 100 missiles (I will not say anything about large numbers) and at the same time knock 100 out of a hundred? repeat Oh oh laughing

                  Let's start small, suppose a volley of 20 missiles, the dome shot down such that you can offer, Well, except for your personal electronic warfare.
                  By the way, will you answer the question about Mercury, or how?
                  1. Ramzaj99
                    Ramzaj99 10 November 2015 23: 21 New
                    +7
                    Quote: atalef
                    Let's start small, suppose a volley of 20 missiles, the dome shot down such that you can offer, Well, except for your personal electronic warfare.

                    Купол неспособен сбить полный залп с "града". Физически неспособен.
                    1. tilix
                      tilix 10 November 2015 23: 35 New
                      +1
                      I personally do not understand
                      Купол неспособен сбить полный залп с "града". Физически неспособен.
                      Do not explain?
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 11 November 2015 00: 02 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      Quote: atalef
                      Let's start small, suppose a volley of 20 missiles, the dome shot down such that you can offer, Well, except for your personal electronic warfare.

                      Купол неспособен сбить полный залп с "града". Физически неспособен.

                      Count
                    3. Kunar
                      Kunar 11 November 2015 05: 47 New
                      +6
                      I don’t know what he’s shooting down, but it’s definitely not Grad or Tornado. Well, believe me, I’ve seen enough of this kind behind the river. And not from launching positions.
                    4. Ramzaj99
                      Ramzaj99 11 November 2015 12: 27 New
                      +4
                      Quote: atalef
                      Count

                      What to consider ??
                      Точки разрывов , это сработавшие противоракеты. И далеко не факт что у каждой была своя цель , и не факт вообще что цели поражены. Да и откуда знать что это "град" (в чем я сильно сомневаюсь, очень непохоже мягко говоря)), а не самопальные ракеты террористов.
              2. kaluganew
                kaluganew 10 November 2015 22: 20 New
                0
                Any details on how mercury works? I can’t understand how it undermines iron without electronics. Miracles pancake)
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 12 November 2015 10: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: kaluganew
                  Any details on how mercury works? I can’t understand how it undermines iron without electronics

                  No miracles.
                  Only physics.
                  Подрывает, если "взрыватель" использует для работы элекромагнитное излучение радиодиапазона или иными словами - это "радиовзрыватель".
                  А вот если он чисто контактный(ударного действия) или оптический, то на "Ртуть ему параллельно."
            2. figvam3
              figvam3 10 November 2015 22: 47 New
              +3
              The first two complexes were deployed in March-April 2011 near Ashkelon and Be'er Sheva to protect against missiles from the Gaza Strip. During shelling of Israeli territory from the Gaza Strip in April 2011, 8 Grad rockets from 8 launched by cities covered by the system were shot down using the system. [12] [13] The third complex was deployed near Ashdod in September 2011 [14].

              During August 2011, Israeli territory was repeatedly bombarded by the Gaza Strip. Terrorists carried out 82 shelling of 144 missiles (including multiple-launch rockets - up to 7 missiles simultaneously). At least 20 missiles shot down by a missile defense system. At the same time, 1 person was killed, 24 injured. [15] [16]

              In total, 2011 shellings, 229 missiles were carried out in 386, total: three dead, 38 wounded, 34 missiles were shot down by the missile defense system. [17]

              In March 2012, the system again proved its effectiveness during a series of attacks on Israeli territory from the Gaza Strip with Grad and Kassam missiles. As of March 12, 2012, since the beginning of 2012, 85 shelling and 185 missiles were carried out. Five wounded. 61 missiles shot down by a missile defense system. [17]. According to the AOI Air Force’s assessment, on March 12, “the Iron Dome air defense system intercepted 85% of the missiles that could reach populated areas for more than three days of rocket fire” [18].

              In total, in the first year of operation (by April 2012), the system intercepted 93 missiles [19].

              During Operation Cloud Pillar in November 2012, the system intercepted 421 missiles fired from the Gaza Strip through Israel [20]. The percentage of successfully intercepted goals is estimated at 85%
          3. atalef
            atalef 10 November 2015 22: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: NEXUS
            А Ваша "Стена" на такое способна?

            which wall?
            By the way, answer the question

            Quote: NEXUS
            There is Mercury against Grad, but I have not heard that these electronic warfare systems are being transferred to Syria.

            How do you think EW can deal with hail?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 16 New
              12
              Quote: atalef
              How do you think EW can deal with hail?

              I’ve already set the video for you, dear, and not even with the Grads, but with the Tornadoes (which are also unguided multiple launch rockets) ... what is not clear for you there? How do they explode on approach? So sorry, for state secrets contact other authorities. hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 November 2015 22: 25 New
                -8
                Quote: NEXUS
                I’ve already delivered a video to you, dear. Not even with the Grads, but with the Tornadoes (which are also unguided multiple launch rockets) ... what is not clear to you there?

                Excuse me, bullshit. Your video is not suitable for hail.
                She works on radio fuses.
                Machine 1L29 is a means of electronic warfare and is designed to reduce the impact of damaging elements of artillery shells on friendly troops and armored vehicles by influencing the operation mode of the radio fuse


                At Grad
                Fuses MRV-U and MRV head, shock

                Well, back to the issue of Grad.
                What will we shoot down?
                By the way, understood or not the term - FRIENDLY TROOPS?
                Mercury prevents shelling (erroneous) of its own troops and that’s it.
                RTUT cannot do anything against adversary missiles with an unknown type of radio fuse
                So we will return to hail?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 32 New
                  +9
                  Quote: atalef
                  Excuse me, bullshit. Your video is not suitable for hail.
                  She works on radio fuses.

                  As Semyon Farad used to say in a famous film, “Everyone is mistaken as he can ... Think so, this is your right hi
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 10 November 2015 22: 35 New
                    -8
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    As Semyon Farad used to say in a famous film, “Everyone is mistaken as he can ... Think so, this is your right

                    Yes, I don’t think, I’m sure.
                    Mercury will not bring down any Grad.
                  2. Themi30
                    Themi30 11 November 2015 00: 20 New
                    +4
                    NEXUS
                    I’ve already delivered a video to you, dear. Not even with the Grads, but with the Tornadoes (which are also unguided multiple launch rockets) ... what is not clear to you there?

                    I don’t understand why rub such game, with such knowledge ....
                    Provide a video where the shells hit exactly the city as you say.
                    You won’t be able to do this, for one simple reason, there is NO such video! Hail and tornado shells are not the same thing, if you would not only watch the video but also listen, you would understand how this system works, though here you need to know the differences in shells in addition. Before declaring such nonsense, completely not understanding the topic, you would have even delved deeper into the day of what you are talking about here with a clever look.
                    The most natural sofa expertDiza ...
                    ps well and yes, there’s another point, not all tornado shells can be shot down in this way
                2. figvam3
                  figvam3 10 November 2015 22: 54 New
                  +2
                  are you sick ??? Machine 1L29 is a means of electronic warfare and is designed to reduce the impact of the damaging elements of artillery shells on friendly troops and armored vehicles by influencing the operation mode of a radio fuse. SPR-2 is capable of undermining a projectile at a safe height or transfer the operation mode of a radio fuse to contact. The main places of use are first-tier troops, command posts, troop concentrations and launchers. Also, "Mercury-B" can be used to cover moving objects at crossing points. FIRST IF A FRIENDLY TROOPS MEAN SURE THERE ARE SURELY NOT FRIENDLY ???
              2. figvam3
                figvam3 10 November 2015 23: 03 New
                +1
                CHALLENGES FOR THE MERCURY AND IRON DOME DIFFERENT FOR FIGHTING I THINK TO COME SOON AS MOST TOR
                "Tor" (GRAU index - 9K330, according to the classification of the US and NATO Defense Forces - SA-15 Gauntlet ("Plate Gauntlet")) is an all-weather tactical anti-aircraft missile system designed to solve air defense and missile defense tasks at the division level.
              3. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 10 November 2015 23: 13 New
                11
                Quote: NEXUS
                I’ve already set the video for you, dear, and not even with the Grads, but with the Tornadoes (which are also unguided multiple launch rockets) ... what is not clear for you there? How do they explode on approach? So sorry, for state secrets contact other authorities.

                "Ртуть" сбивает именно "Смерчи" и боеприпасы подобные им , неважно чьи , главное чтобы стоял радио взрыватель дистанционного подрыва.
                По "Градам" с обычными взрывателями ударного типа ,"Ртуть" не работает.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 11 November 2015 00: 39 New
                  +8
                  "Ртуть" сбивает именно "Смерчи" и боеприпасы подобные им , неважно чьи , главное чтобы стоял радио взрыватель дистанционного подрыва.
                  По "Градам" с обычными взрывателями ударного типа ,"Ртуть" не работает.


                  laughing Тут спор уже пошел, кто умнее, евреи с "Куполом", или русские с "Ртутью". Мыслю сравнивать нет с чем. Два совершенно разных предмета и по принципу, и по задачам. Два разных направления. И оба перспективные. Думаю еще удивят и "Купол", и российские РЭБы.
              4. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 24 New
                +1
                Please explain how it is possible by means of electronic warfare to influence contact fuses, where besides a little mechanics and chemistry there are no electronics?
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 05: 19 New
              +3
              atalef
              which wall?


              .... the crying wall .... of course laughing
          4. Wiski
            Wiski 10 November 2015 22: 37 New
            -3
            Quote: NEXUS
            А Ваша "Стена" на такое способна?



            The wall is not made for this. More precisely, Mercury is not made to bring down hail.


            By the way, the Americans have a similar system -


            Станция постановки помех радиовзрывателям боеприпасов "Шортстоп" была
            разработана американской фирмой "Кондор системз" по срочному заказу сухопутных
            US troops during the preparation and conduct of hostilities against Iraq in Persia
            Bay in 1991. The need to create a station was due to
            that Iraq was armed with a large number of ammunition from radio
            fuses (PB). Of the existing 240 types of fuses from 60% to 80% of the composition
            It’s just the radio fuses.
            Станция "Шортстоп" изготовляется в трех вариантах: носимом AN/PLQ-7 (масса -
            11,3 kg, dimensions - 17x30x45 cm), mobile - AN / VLQ-11 (weight - 22,7 kg, dimensions
            - 27x40x40 cm) and stationary - AN / GLQ-16 (weight - 21,8 kg, dimensions - 24x40x40 cm).
            The standard set of the station includes a radio electronic unit, omnidirectional
            naya antenna and power supply. The composition of the electronic unit includes the following:
            General components: detection receiver, radio frequency digital
            storage device (RCCH), an interference transmitter and a data processing device
            based on a small high-performance processor.
            The receiver detects and intercepts RV signals at a distance of 7-
            10 km from the projectile. RZZU provides high-precision synthesis and reradiation
            ние с "ложным наполнением" (содержит информацию о том, что боеприпас прибли-
            I was reaching the target at a distance of 10 m) through the jammer of intercepted signals
            from a radio fuse. As a result, the radio fuse on the ammunition fires and
            gives a signal to undermine it at a great distance (height) from the target. Station pro
            ста в обслуживании - "включил и забыл". Один комплект "Шортстоп" обеспечивает
            effective cover of a plot of land with an area of ​​up to 12 hectares.
        2. fif21
          fif21 10 November 2015 22: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          EW vs Grad

          You will know much soon grow old lol А нексусу (-) за болтавню с "партнерами".
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: fif21
            Много будешь знать скоро состаришся А нексусу (-) за болтавню с "партнерами".

            And to you - for ignorance of the fact that the fact of the existence of the Mercury system has long been no secret.
            1. fif21
              fif21 10 November 2015 22: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              that the fact of the existence of the Mercury system is no longer a mystery.
              explanation and confession tomorrow to my desk. And forget the crackers.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 29 New
                +6
                Quote: fif21
                explanation and confession tomorrow to my desk. And forget the crackers.

                Do you think they should not talk about the Lever? wink
                1. atalef
                  atalef 10 November 2015 22: 43 New
                  -6
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: fif21
                  explanation and confession tomorrow to my desk. And forget the crackers.

                  Do you think they should not talk about the Lever? wink

                  Come on, nexus, as they say - more electronic warfare
                  Lever (Lever-AB) - air-ground and air-to-air electronic warfare system, active jamming station.

                  Hail from airplanes?
                  it reminds me of an anegdot, sorry for swearing, but the meaning is
                  The teacher asks the children
                  -What can get into the sexual gap?
                  well children one by one pull their hands
                  - Sliver
                  -Dust
                  - cockroach
                  Vovochka pulls, too, the student is afraid to ask, again, after all, he will say some muck. but so figured. like a neutral question, answer says
                  - Fuck, Nadezhda Ivanovna
                  Well, of course she was furious, she called her father to school
                  Father comes the next day, she complains
                  - So I asked the children what could fall into the sexual gap and your son answered - Fuck
                  - Well, it might still get there, my father was surprised
                  -Well sliver, rag, mouse
                  - (father) Mouse in p ... de? belay Original good

                  Think original. Nexus. good
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 10 November 2015 22: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: atalef
                    Hail from airplanes?
                    it reminds me of an anegdot, sorry for swearing, but the meaning is

                    You dear, apparently you don’t read well in Russian ... did I write that the Lever can be used against Grad systems or even against multiple launch rocket systems?
                    I will answer you with the words of one hero from the novel by Ilf and Petrov-do not eat raw tomatoes at night hi
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        3. yushch
          yushch 11 November 2015 07: 14 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: tilix
          Yes, for God's sake, I do not mind, but here rockets (Grads) covered the city. ABM means.

          There is Mercury against Grad, but I have not heard that these electronic warfare systems are being transferred to Syria. hi

          EW vs Grad belay


          And why were you so surprised? If electronic components are present in the fuse of a rocket or projectile, this system initiates the process of detonation from a distance.
          1. Zefr
            Zefr 11 November 2015 11: 41 New
            0
            But will not their own missiles, located or launched in the zone of action of Mercury, explode? And they will kill everyone ... their ...
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 19 New
        +2
        Против устаревших "Градовских" ракет никакая РЭБ не поможет, просто баллистика и никакого управления.
  13. Horly
    Horly 10 November 2015 21: 26 New
    +4
    А можно уточнить, что вы считаете аналогом Купола? Я вот аналогов у нас не вижу - С-350 (которого ещё нет на вооружении) предназначен для поражения других целей, ТОР (более-менее похожая по характеристикам система) может поразить ракеты типа "Град", но определить куда он летит не может - решение принимает командир комплекса, а "Панцирь" вообще не из этой оперы... Про другие вообще не буду упоминать - они и близко под эти задачи не подходят
  14. padded jacket
    padded jacket 10 November 2015 22: 12 New
    +2
    Аж смешно стало граждане из Израиля разволновались им вдруг сирийцев жалко стало про "ЖК" вспомнили smile не плохо бы было создать "купол" из систем ПВО и над Газой которые бомбят израильские самолёты и обстреливает артиллерия.

    It is not known who else sponsors this Ahram al-Sham who fired at Latakia, it is possible and not Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but someone closer.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 10 November 2015 21: 17 New
    +7
    Caliphate militants staged a mass public execution by shooting 200 children.

    http://rusnext.ru/recent_opinions/1447159034
    Sometime overseas sponsors will be responsible for their project.
    1. fif21
      fif21 10 November 2015 22: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: TOR2
      Caliphate militants staged a mass public execution by shooting 200 children.
      this is in 2014. Some nonhumans already communicate with the guria.
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  • Gaersul
    Gaersul 10 November 2015 21: 22 New
    10
    Quote: tilix
    Meanwhile, the civilian population (ISIS rockets) is dying in Latakia:
    23 dead 43 wounded, and you laugh at our dome.

    Do not generalize, not everyone laughs, even I'm sure many understand that life is priceless. And do not care how much the rocket costs, if it saves lives - it is needed.
  • Nord2015
    Nord2015 10 November 2015 22: 03 New
    +6
    Quote: tilix
    and you are laughing at our dome

    Of the sane, no one laughs. Do it right.
  • Days
    Days 10 November 2015 22: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: tilix
    Meanwhile, the civilian population (ISIS rockets) is dying in Latakia:
    23 dead 43 wounded, and you laugh at our dome. That's why he is.

    No one laughed, Russia has long had a rich selection of self-propelled air defense systems that can do the same thing, only better.

    Although they may have laughed because of the pathos and cheers-patriotism with which any Israeli speaks of the Iron Dome.

    Syria has nothing of the kind in the right quantities, you are right.
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 November 2015 22: 09 New
      -9
      Quote: Dagen
      No one laughed, Russia has long had a rich selection of self-propelled air defense systems that can do the same thing, only better.

      Well, in the near future they will 100% appear in Syria. do not name the type or name - the choice is rich.
      1. fif21
        fif21 10 November 2015 22: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        do not name the type or name - the choice is rich.
        Who would doubt that! Collection of intelligence through social networks. God forbid you will appear in Russia, a ticket to Kolyma is already waiting for you lol
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 November 2015 22: 34 New
          -2
          Quote: fif21
          Quote: atalef
          do not name the type or name - the choice is rich.
          Who would doubt that! Collection of intelligence through social networks. God forbid you will appear in Russia, a ticket to Kolyma is already waiting for you lol

          wink
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 11 November 2015 00: 43 New
            0
            wink


            atalef, do not worry, I will smear! laughing
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      3. Days
        Days 10 November 2015 23: 26 New
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        Well, in the near future they will 100% appear in Syria. do not name the type or name - the choice is rich.

        Why, I can contribute to espionage, although you just have fun (waiting for 100500 pluses why the Dome is better).

        Cube, Circle, Wasp, Arrow-1, Arrow-10, Archer-E, Shilka with a stretch, Tunguska, Shell-S, Tor, Beech, Pine and their modifications. Plus PU-12.

        And all this is quite suitable for the tasks that are being solved by Israel: the shooting down of short-range unguided missiles. There are no full analogues of the Dome, because there are no such tasks.

        And SPR-2 Ruta deliberately against hailstones (Moscow-1 for their coordination).
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 November 2015 23: 38 New
          -8
          Quote: Dagen
          Quote: atalef
          Well, in the near future they will 100% appear in Syria. do not name the type or name - the choice is rich.

          Why, I can contribute to espionage, although you just have fun (waiting for 100500 pluses why the Dome is better).

          Cube, Circle, Wasp, Arrow-1, Arrow-10, Archer-E, Shilka with a stretch, Tunguska, Shell-S, Tor, Beech, Pine and their modifications. Plus PU-12.

          And all this is quite suitable for the tasks that are being solved by Israel: the shooting down of short-range unguided missiles. There are no full analogues of the Dome, because there are no such tasks.

          And SPR-2 Ruta deliberately against hailstones (Moscow-1 for their coordination).

          Cyprus is 32 minutes away from us, and it’s buggy as if in another hemisphere
          Everything you write is stupid, and wasps are just a masterpiece
          1. Days
            Days 11 November 2015 11: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Cyprus is 32 minutes away from us, and it’s buggy as if in another hemisphere
            Everything you write is stupid, and wasps are just a masterpiece


            It is an extremely naive view that other people must share your opinion. Especially the jingoistic, wildly patriotic opinion, as about the Dome. And that it should depend on the distance to Israel.

            And I will tell you more than that: all the complexes written above were specially made for shooting down maneuvering targets (some for shooting down highly maneuverable targets). And all this good is mobile, self-propelled, often with separate transport-loading machines. And with increased noise immunity. And created for layered defense to work in conditions much more

            The wasp is a bit dated, and this is not surprising for a rocket / air defense system developed 50 years ago. But even Osa has a faster SAM rate than Tamir. But the guidance complex let us down, yes :)
            1. Wiski
              Wiski 11 November 2015 17: 04 New
              +1
              The wasp is a bit dated, and this is not surprising for a rocket / air defense system developed 50 years ago. But even Osa has a faster SAM rate than Tamir. But the guidance complex let us down, yes :)


              Tell me the secret, where did you get information about the speed of tamir?
              What is the speed of the Wasp rocket that was 50 years ago and its last modification? bully


              By the way, comparing with an wasp is generally funny with its maximum of 10 km.

              If you want to compare it, here's the Israeli SPYDER SR (English Surface-to-air Python and Derby Short Range, “Spider” SR) - a short-range anti-aircraft missile system developed in Israel


              Used SAM
              “Derby” (target destruction range - up to 15 km, target destruction height - from 20 m to 9 km, active homing radar, high-explosive fragmentation warhead);
              "Python 5" (range of hitting targets - up to 20 km, height of hitting targets - from 20 m to 9 km, infrared homing head)
              And here is his characteristics - he uses Python 5 - an Israeli air-to-air missile developed by Rafael Armament Development Authority based on Rafael Python 4.

              Missile weight: 103 kg
              Warhead weight: 11 kg
              Missile length: 3,1 m
              Case diameter: 160 mm
              Flight Speed: 4 M
              Maximum launch range: 20 km


              hi г
              1. Days
                Days 11 November 2015 18: 11 New
                +1
                We compared air defense systems that can shoot short-range unguided missiles. All of the above are just right for this. But comrade atalef doubted.

                The last ground modification of the Wasp was developed in the late 70s. Now there are much more modern complexes. But you can continue to amuse your cheers-patriotism.

                Вы что, серьёзно решили меряться писькой со страной, которая производит лучшие в мире комплексы ПВО/ПРО? А "SPYDER SR" - это та самая системы пуска ракет, 4 комплекта которых были поставлены в Грузию перед августом 2008 года, но не смогли ничего сделать против одного-единственного Су-34? Сомнительная реклама))
                1. Wiski
                  Wiski 11 November 2015 18: 45 New
                  -2
                  Given that you did not answer my questions, and that you were very upset by the information about SPYDER, then there is nothing to talk about.

                  Besides, how do you get information that these systems were used in Georgia and didn’t bring down anything? Where did you get all the information that they were used or tried to bring down?

                  Moreover, you never wrote where did you get information about the speed of the Tamir rocket?

                  Something you write a lot, but all you write is complete bullshit wassat
                  1. Days
                    Days 11 November 2015 19: 40 New
                    +4
                    From the same sources from where you came from: personally measured, riding astride Caliber-NK, flying around the Iron Dome launcher. Like munhausen.

                    In speed, I could be wrong, of course, because my words are not the ultimate truth. But (take two), all of the above systems remarkably shoot down old non-maneuvering unguided missiles. What comrade tilix was talking about.

                    Are you trying to get praise from me personally? Yes, please: The Iron Dome is a pretty tolerable modern air defense system. With its drawbacks, the same Buk-M2 and Tor-M2 do not hold out.
                    1. Wiski
                      Wiski 11 November 2015 20: 19 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Dagen
                      From the same sources from where you came from: personally measured, riding astride Caliber-NK, flying around the Iron Dome launcher. Like munhausen.


                      As far as I know, the speed characteristics of the tamir were not disclosed anywhere and therefore I consider your statement -

                      even Osa has a faster SAM rate than Tamir.


                      I consider it a pure lie, especially considering that Israel is already using 4M missiles.


                      o (take two) all of the above systems remarkably shoot down old non-maneuvering unguided missiles. What comrade tilix was talking about.


                      The concept is beautiful - to put it mildly, they’re not talking about anything.

                      Quote: Dagen
                      Are you trying to get praise from me personally?


                      No.


                      The Iron Dome is a pretty tolerable modern air defense system. With its drawbacks, the same Buk-M2 and Tor-M2 do not hold out.


                      You don’t even want to spend time on stupid attempts to compare such systems, as well as on your unfounded allegations hi
                      Moreover, given that you do not even know the exact characteristics of the LCD bully
                      There have already been battles on this subject. wassat
  • mihasik
    mihasik 10 November 2015 22: 06 New
    10
    Quote: tilix
    and you are laughing at our dome. That's why he is.

    Никто не высмеивает ваш "Купол", но и расхваливать его на данном российском ресурсе нет смысла, не прокатит). Его можете покупателям из третьих стран рекламировать, но не в России. У нас своего добра похлеще Вашего хватает).
  • figvam3
    figvam3 10 November 2015 22: 46 New
    +8
    во первых мы не против евреев и израильтян, а яшу кэдми я вообще люблю слушать очень даже по поводу "железного купола---Два первых комплекса были развёрнуты в марте—апреле 2011 года под Ашкелоном и Беэр-Шевой для защиты от ракет из сектора Газа. В ходе обстрелов территории Израиля из сектора Газа в апреле 2011 года с помощью системы были сбиты 8 ракет «Град» из 8, запущенных по прикрываемым системой городам.[12][13] Третий комплекс был развёрнут под Ашдодом в сентябре 2011 года[14].

    During August 2011, Israeli territory was repeatedly bombarded by the Gaza Strip. Terrorists carried out 82 shelling of 144 missiles (including multiple-launch rockets - up to 7 missiles simultaneously). At least 20 missiles shot down by a missile defense system. At the same time, 1 person was killed, 24 injured. [15] [16]

    In total, 2011 shellings, 229 missiles were carried out in 386, total: three dead, 38 wounded, 34 missiles were shot down by the missile defense system. [17]

    In March 2012, the system again proved its effectiveness during a series of attacks on Israeli territory from the Gaza Strip with Grad and Kassam missiles. As of March 12, 2012, since the beginning of 2012, 85 shelling and 185 missiles were carried out. Five wounded. 61 missiles shot down by a missile defense system. [17]. According to the AOI Air Force’s assessment, on March 12, “the Iron Dome air defense system intercepted 85% of the missiles that could reach populated areas for more than three days of rocket fire” [18].

    In total, in the first year of operation (by April 2012), the system intercepted 93 missiles [19].

    During Operation Cloud Pillar in November 2012, the system intercepted 421 missiles fired from the Gaza Strip through Israel [20]. The percentage of successfully intercepted goals is estimated at 85%
    1. Wiski
      Wiski 10 November 2015 22: 54 New
      -5
      Since the years that your quote refers to (2011-2012) Domes have been upgraded more than once, and by the way, it can shoot down many missiles fired simultaneously - a lot depends on the number of Domes. In 2014, 3 more LCDs were added and their number reached 9, which increased the ability to shoot down volleys even more. They wrote in July 2014 that the 10th was to arrive soon. During the operation in 2014 - the percentage of successfully intercepted targets rose to 90% - which is a very high indicator.
      I hope that since then the number of LCDs has grown to 12-13. hi
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 10 November 2015 23: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Wiski
        During the operation in 2014 - the percentage of successfully intercepted targets rose to 90% - which is a very high indicator.

        А можно подробней, что включает в себя "90% - что является ооочень выскоим показателем". Цели то какие были?)
        1. Wiski
          Wiski 10 November 2015 23: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: mihasik
          что включает в себя "90% - что является ооочень выскоим показателем". Цели то какие были?)


          2014 missiles were shot down in operation in 735 (“Indestructible Rock”) (those that fly into the wasteland (the system determines where the missile will fall) - the LCD does not knock down), unguided missiles - improved hail - most, as well as M-75, Sajjil 55, J-80, R-160 and Fajr 5.
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 11 November 2015 01: 02 New
            +5
            Quote: Wiski
            LCD does not shoot down), unguided missiles - improved hail - most of them, as well as M-75, Sajjil 55, J-80, R-160 and Fajr 5.

            А что такое "усовершенствованные "Грады"", может поясните,а то мы тут на месте не знаем)
            1. Wiski
              Wiski 11 November 2015 10: 08 New
              -5
              Is it in place in Gaza?
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 11 November 2015 00: 51 New
        +6
        90% - which is a very high indicator.


        Yes everything is correct. The direction is correct and the system will improve. One can argue with Israeli foreign policy, but as regards concern for the security of its population, Israel is a country from which it is worth taking an example.
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 16 New
    +2
    The smart ones do not laugh, they only grin when they see how real achievements do not reach the declared ones. Respect for Israel for protecting citizens from missile attacks. hi I wish you continued success in missile defense.
  • NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 11 November 2015 02: 25 New
    +2
    "...а вы над нашим куполом смеётесь."
    НЕ смеёмся. Мы плачем над пэтриотом, куполом, чудной меркавой. Не майтесь. Покупайте средства ПВО "сделанно в России". Пока дядя Вова вам благоволит.
    1. Wiski
      Wiski 11 November 2015 09: 05 New
      -9
      Everything you write about has been tested in real battle, unlike Russian systems, which, except in greenhouse conditions, have not been tested.
      And the old-style Russian air defense systems that the Arabs used in wars did not show the promised characteristics, and then the electronic warfare systems were at a very weak level.
      Therefore do not cry hi
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 11 November 2015 10: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Wiski
        unlike Russian systems, which, except in greenhouse conditions, were not tested.

        То-то весь цивилизованный мир с штатами и европой во главе начинают писать кипятком и махать руками и языками когда наши хотят поставить "никчемные" С-300 в Иран или Сирию))
        1. Wiski
          Wiski 11 November 2015 16: 34 New
          -4
          Just like U.S. generals travel around Europe and shout that the Russians are coming to receive billions of orders to defend against superfood weapons. The more scared, the more orders from the United States and the military-industrial complex.
          Knocking out the c300 is not a problem at all, for this there are electronic warfare and special drones that will hit the sky while the c300 is thinking where to shoot, there will be no c300 anymore. Not to mention other weapons and capabilities.
          Moreover, all and sundry run in with the 300 in Greece bully

          This Russia is one of the few countries where there is a truly multi-stage air defense with a sufficient number of missiles and systems.

          All of these Iran, Syria-gouging and not choke. Of course, this will complicate the hit a little, but the end result is in no way hi
  • Horly
    Horly 10 November 2015 21: 03 New
    15
    Все-таки уважаю Ассада - в трудной ситуации не сдался, не сбежал, как некоторые "партнёры", а был и есть со своим народом! И армия не была деморализована! А эта, пускай, и тактическая победа очень сильно, надеюсь, подымет дух сирийской армии!
  • 3officer
    3officer 10 November 2015 21: 08 New
    +7
    It would be nice to see my 28N there to highlight the dark, eastern nights.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 11 November 2015 07: 02 New
      +2
      We do not conduct ground operations there !!!!
      Вертолет - не тот тип летательного аппарата, чтобы в одиночку просто "летать-стрелять-бомбить", для этого самолеты существуют - у них скорость, дальность, нагрузка.
      Helicopter - a fighter on the battlefield in close cooperation with the infantry.
      What could be the interaction of the Russian helicopter with the Syrian infantry at this stage of the war ???
      1. 3officer
        3officer 11 November 2015 07: 21 New
        +4
        This does not interfere with Mi 24 operations there now (maybe local pilots are at the helm there, but judging by professionalism, they are most likely graduates of the Syzran Military University). They are now interacting with the Syrians very effectively. You can solve technical issues of interaction.
  • man_of_war
    man_of_war 10 November 2015 21: 14 New
    +9
    By the way, as I look, our airborne forces gave me to force the world and the Su-30SM.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 November 2015 21: 22 New
    12
    They did a serious job. And even more serious is the psychological effect. In the East, psychology is the first thing. It is worth the Barmels realize that luck has turned away from them, they will run. And the repressive apparatus of their organizations will not stop anyone. Good luck, she is an insidious lady. And Allah is great - shout, do not shout, and the paradise with the gurus will be licked.
  • kasperian_1
    kasperian_1 10 November 2015 21: 25 New
    12
    liberate Syria, make it clear that Russia brings peace.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 10 November 2015 21: 27 New
    14
    Glad for the Syrians. On ex-matzah, Madame Rozhynina drooling came out, both about the boy and about our pilots. In short, VKS bomb, bomb, but no success. And finally ...
    Syriac and our soldiers of military success and success. Dunk Igilovsky rabble ... well, you understand where. bully
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 10 November 2015 22: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Balu
      Syriac and our soldiers of military success and success. Dunk Igilovsky rabble ... well, you understand where.

      Have a threshing floor?)
  • 3officer
    3officer 10 November 2015 21: 40 New
    +5
    The aerospace forces made an effect, it is a fact. Now any air strike (even if the local air force fired) is attributed to Russia (characteristic screams behind the cdr). Syrian pilots must have started to get upset that they forgot about them.
  • the most important
    the most important 10 November 2015 21: 42 New
    +4
    The Minister of Defense of Qatar, Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani-i, is the customer of the attack on our plane in Egypt.

    If this is so, then Allah will not leave it so simple ... now my heart feels that this Hamad accidentally drops out of a personal plane ..
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 10 November 2015 21: 56 New
      +4
      Yeah .... Together with the plane.
  • Alfizik
    Alfizik 10 November 2015 21: 43 New
    +7
    The snowball is gaining speed and size. And the battle-hardened Syrian army is a reliable ally for many years.
    1. dali
      dali 10 November 2015 22: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Alfizik
      The snowball is gaining speed and size. And the battle-hardened Syrian army is a reliable ally for many years.
      The only country in the East that over the past few decades has always been on the side of Russia !!!

      And all the rest periodically tried to lick mattresses !!!
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 11 November 2015 07: 04 New
        0
        Только почему-то Россия больше "общалась" с сирийскими соседями
        1. dali
          dali 11 November 2015 07: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Just BB
          Только почему-то Россия больше "общалась" с сирийскими соседями

          And this is partly a historical misfortune of Russia, when one's own (as well as within the country) are worse treated than strangers ... what to do ... it is necessary to level out! I hope Syria is the first sign in this difficult matter !!!
    2. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 05: 54 New
      +2
      Alfizik
      The snowball is gaining speed and size.


      ....... and given the increased activity of the Kurds .... Turkey would calm down a bit ... its ardor. and then inadvertently problems .. will not be raked .. bully
    3. Kunar
      Kunar 11 November 2015 06: 38 New
      +1
      It's a pity that Assad’s soldiers are just ending ...
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 10 November 2015 21: 50 New
    +5
    Congratulations to the Syrian people on this success in the fight against terrorist invaders. drinks
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 November 2015 22: 01 New
      +9
      The Syrians did well, but basically this of course only happened after massive help from our country, Hezbollah, Iran and thousands of volunteers who came to the aid of the Syrian people.
      And of course, the ledge that was created by them will be difficult to protect especially at night.
      Но главное что они смогут "накачать" Квайрес свежими войсками и эвакуировать от туда раненых.
      1. dali
        dali 10 November 2015 22: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: quilted jacket
        And of course, the ledge that was created by them will be difficult to protect especially at night.
        Nothing, nothing ... dashing trouble began ...
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 10 November 2015 22: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Dali
          Nothing, nothing ... dashing trouble began ..

          I also think so, only their communications are a little alarmingly stretched, and different IS, Al-Nusra, and so on, have been fighting for many days and they are being led by very much like ordinary fanatics from mosques.
          1. Kunar
            Kunar 11 November 2015 06: 10 New
            +4
            Breakthrough flanks to mine carefully, and do not forget to draw up mining maps))))) By the way, the question? Does the ATS airborne have? An amphibious raid on the rear would not be in the way. Given the absence of a solid line of defense for the igles ... A couple of point strikes would help ...
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 10 November 2015 22: 23 New
        +5
        The main thing is the air base itself. hi
  • bad
    bad 10 November 2015 21: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: 3officer
    It would be nice to see my 28N there to highlight the dark, eastern nights.
    ... Duc is not visible yet .. no one said that night hunters will not be there .. recourse
    1. 3officer
      3officer 10 November 2015 22: 28 New
      +3
      Yes, it’s necessary, in Iraq, as far as one can judge by the commercials, they are quite effective. And I think our pilots will remove all questions about criticizing this machine.
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 10 November 2015 21: 55 New
    +3
    Ah yes we are! laughing Well, some kind of Vietnam. laughing
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 11 November 2015 06: 12 New
      +2
      In Vietnam, green asses! And here you can’t hide))))
      1. vitaliy.rnd
        vitaliy.rnd 11 November 2015 09: 00 New
        +1
        I'm talking about invisible participation. winked
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 10 November 2015 22: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: the most important
    If this is so, then Allah will not leave it so simple ... now my heart feels that this Hamad accidentally drops out of a personal plane ..

    He needs help to quickly meet with Allah.
  • Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 10 November 2015 22: 00 New
    +5
    And for the shelling of Latakia it is necessary to severely take revenge - this is after all the cattle spat in our souls. To iron a 50 km zone around the base with cluster munitions and crocodiles is sanded.
    Better yet, the most powerful vacuum bomb in Syria somewhere in the Aleppo region to experience in combat. And so explain what such happiness was written out for the broads.
  • Starik72
    Starik72 10 November 2015 22: 08 New
    +6
    Well done Syrians, led by Bashar al-Assad !!! Beits igilaucau practitioners, didn’t accelerate the age of the yana !!!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 November 2015 22: 30 New
      +7
      Unfortunately, all the information from there so far is only in Arabic. It is interesting to see that the military does not act professionally like the regular Syrian infantry is visible or the instructors were good or it is possible Lebanese or Iranian.
      By the way, the Iranian jeep Safir from the 107 mm MLRS hints at this.
      1. anti-Semite
        anti-Semite 10 November 2015 23: 06 New
        +4
        I saw a photo of jeeps with recoilless guns and if not mistaken Toophan
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 10 November 2015 22: 15 New
    +6
    Charming, charming! Exactly two and a half years. The men with a capital letter held a piece of their native land shelled from all sides, and finally (I sincerely hope) - the deliverance from the siege came ...! Allah to help you finally liberate your land!
  • mitrich
    mitrich 10 November 2015 22: 16 New
    +4
    And where is the crowd of God's chosen ones who will explain to us that this is all fake, and nothing has been taken, freed and unlocked? And that they, tame, good barmalei whom they treat, arm and with whom their prime minister gently squeezes pens, having forgotten to remove the bales in the park, will happily play everything back, and they will pour it on us.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 10 November 2015 22: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: 3officer
    The aerospace forces made an effect, it is a fact. Now any air strike (even if the local air force fired) is attributed to Russia (characteristic screams behind the cdr). Syrian pilots must have started to get upset that they forgot about them.

    Им присвоят звание российско-сирийских пилотов. Можем поделиться грозным имиджем, если он помогает. "И "партнеров" запутать окончательно - пусть репу чешут, откуда внутри радиоэлектронного пузыря, где им ни .. пса не видно, возникают неисчислимые орды подготовленных российских пилотов. Да если еще через всяких там околонавальных-чубайсов слить об от экспериментальном успешном испытании некоего "телепорта" - есть хороший шанс разорить-таки гегемонов...
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 10 November 2015 22: 43 New
    +5
    До этого сирийцы оборонялись, у них очень неплохо получалось. Сейчас, с помощью ВКС РФ, начали наступать. Думаю, через месяц-два они научатся атаковать и от ИГиловцев только пыль лететь будет. Вспомним нашу армию в 41-42 годах (в эти года наши учились воевать и, главным образом - обороняться, в результате: стали самой сильной армией мира, потом начали учиться наступать) и в какое "чудовище", рвущее все и всех, она превратилась в 44-45 годах. Сколько там Квантунская группировка (не самая хилая) продержалась? Три недели?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 November 2015 23: 02 New
      +4
      Great success of the Syrian army Breakthrough of the blockade of the military airfield of Kuwait
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 10 November 2015 23: 31 New
      +2
      Тех японцев с войсками Вермахта не сравнить, даже перед окончанием войны немцы ухитрялись "кусаться" очень больно.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 10 November 2015 22: 59 New
    +2
    And so it is necessary to fight, only to have fewer victims.
  • urik62
    urik62 10 November 2015 23: 04 New
    -4
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Yeah, catarrh of the gastrointestinal tract in the Yankees!

    Министр оборон Катара Хамад бин Халифа Аль Тани-и есть заказчик теракта нашего самолета в Египте.И нашим спец службам бы отработать так,чтоб этот выродок исчез,дабы другим неповадно было "заказывать" такие акции.Чтоб знали,что независимо от звания,политического веса,состояния их найдут и убьют,если они попробуют сделать заказ на теракт,направленный на убийство русских людей.
    Now, according to the article ... they recaptured the air base, now it is also possible to gain a foothold and additional forces of the Russian Air Force there ...

    Where does this information come from? Are you an employee of the special services of the Russian Federation? Then why do you disclose operational information? Most likely, it’s simply BLA-BLA-BLA at the level of couch generals, which is unproven, because we have not been given the truth for now, but maybe even.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 November 2015 23: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: urik62
      Where does this information come from?

      Specialists and the media already know about this, dear ... Even Mr. Satanovsky voiced this surname ... The fact of the attack was practically established and even the Americans are talking about it. The customer of this attack, Qatar, who repeatedly announced threats against terrorist attacks in our country address. There is no secret.

      Quote: urik62
      Most likely just BLA-BLA-BLA

      Most likely, my point of view is on the forum, where they SHARE OUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS.
      Quote: urik62
      for we are not given to know the truth, for now, or maybe in general.

      The truth is that there is a war going on and Qatar is on the side of the adversary with all the giblets. And we will find out about it or not ... so time will tell.
      My regards hi
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 10 November 2015 23: 15 New
    +2
    On Deir ez-Zor I feel the bulk of the Basurmans. From Palmyra would be very nice to move in that direction.
  • 3officer
    3officer 10 November 2015 23: 16 New
    +2
    It’s somewhat upsetting that our media have pushed this topic lately. There are few informative, detailed reports from battlefields and directly from the front lines. It would be interesting to know the feedback from the Syrian military about the operation of new weapons (in the end, it's no longer a secret that they delivered there).
  • urik62
    urik62 10 November 2015 23: 52 New
    -7
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: urik62
    Where does this information come from?

    Specialists and the media already know about this, dear ... Even Mr. Satanovsky voiced this surname ... The fact of the attack was practically established and even the Americans are talking about it. The customer of this attack, Qatar, who repeatedly announced threats against terrorist attacks in our country address. There is no secret.

    Quote: urik62
    Most likely just BLA-BLA-BLA

    Most likely, my point of view is on the forum, where they SHARE OUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS.
    Quote: urik62
    for we are not given to know the truth, for now, or maybe in general.

    The truth is that there is a war going on and Qatar is on the side of the adversary with all the giblets. And we will find out about it or not ... so time will tell.
    My regards hi

    How do you know what specialists know? The media can say anything for their rating. And even Mr. Satanovsky can trend anything on the camera. And of course the Americans can and should make statements beneficial to them.
    You would say that this is your point of view and you share it, but you do not need to pass it off as reality ahead of time, although this time may never come.
    In your opinion, Russia should now declare war on Qatar
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 November 2015 00: 02 New
      10
      Quote: urik62
      The media can say anything for their rating, and even Mr. Satanovsky can trend anything on the camera.

      Господин Сатановский один из самых авторитетных экспертов по Ближнему Востоку,уважаемый и "трындеть"он вряд ли зря бутет,учитывая даже тот факт,что он генерал-лейтенант в отставке.
      Quote: urik62
      And of course, Americans can have to make statements beneficial to them.

      Americans are already talking about traces of explosives in the wreckage of the aircraft and our side is also talking about this.
      Quote: urik62
      You would say that this is your point of view and you share it

      And then, dear, what do you think? Do you understand the concept of a forum? Here people all, without exception, express their point of view.
      Quote: urik62
      In your opinion, Russia should declare war on Qatar now

      Did I talk about the war? Remember 72 years ago, the capture of Israeli athletes by the terrorists ... did anyone survive from these geeks? And no one declared war on anyone ... they simply eliminated ALL who were involved in the terrorist attack.
      И я говорил о том,что помимо исполнителей,гораздо важнее выявлять и уничтожать заказчиков,не взирая на чины,статус и финансовые состояния.Чтоб другие "заказчики" знали,если закажут теракт против российских граждан,их найдут и убьют.
      Sincerely. hi
    2. Kunar
      Kunar 11 November 2015 06: 25 New
      +2
      Вообще то "...людей и за меньшее убивали..." А Россия,имея неплохой опыт "переговоров" с этими типами,могла бы им воспользоваться.Как в свое время в Бейруте ,например.... Хотя теперь Хизболла вроде как на правильной стороне....
  • 3officer
    3officer 11 November 2015 00: 21 New
    +6
    Even if our specialists find out about the organizers of the explosion (if it was organized by a specific state), this information will never be publicly announced. These presidents, sheikhs, emirs, princes- will fly to Moscow to smile and be nice to Putin and Lavrov. And the task of our departments is to find out about the weaknesses of these states and beat them. Weak links that our pumped-up petrodollars feel completely unpunished recently.
  • urik62
    urik62 11 November 2015 00: 23 New
    -3
    As an expert, Satanovsky must say something, and this must be done as loud and sensational as possible, otherwise they will no longer turn to him.
    Where are the authorities' statements about the terrorist attack? These are versions so far. But on the bill to soak everyone in the toilets, I agree, to soak everyone, including the defense ministers of other countries who threaten Russia, although this is my point of view and I do not impose it on anyone.
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 11 November 2015 06: 36 New
      +2
      What to do, and most importantly how to do, is decided by people who later bear responsibility for this. This is called putting a combat mission and giving an order to carry it out. And Satanovsky, with all due respect to him, has long been a media figure, and, so to speak unmasked by authority ...
  • crasever
    crasever 11 November 2015 03: 23 New
    +2
    Да , активизация иракской армии ( в боевых порядках которой амеровские советники ) , здорово помогла бы разделаться быстрее с шайтанами ... Как эмоционально выразился Багдасаров на "Поединке" с М.Бомом - хватит отсиживаться в Багдаде и кушать шашлык , начинайте штурм Мосула !!!
  • maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 11 November 2015 04: 42 New
    +2
    More than two !!! years old! Spartans! Guys! Now hold and fasten. drinks
  • cap
    cap 11 November 2015 05: 01 New
    +1
    NECESSARY TO PUNCH ON.
    MODERATE UNMEASURED AND UNCERTAIN.
    AS FASTER. LISTED.
    THERE WILL BE SOMEONE TO GO FOR NEGOTIATIONS.
    ONLY ONE WILL REMAIN.
    ASAD.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 05: 56 New
      0
      ... so you can only scrape together more problems .. the Syrians are not ... dill .. bully
  • Wolka
    Wolka 11 November 2015 05: 33 New
    +1
    well, the process has begun, it is gaining strength and it pleases
  • Belousov
    Belousov 11 November 2015 08: 53 New
    0
    Теперь надо бы и плотненько границей с Турцией заняться. Хватит там "онижедетям" шастать на лечение и нефть гнать.
  • Roust
    Roust 11 November 2015 09: 05 New
    +2
    The Syrians are good warriors, and they have proven this to the whole world.
  • Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 11 November 2015 11: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Belousov
    Теперь надо бы и плотненько границей с Турцией заняться. Хватит там "онижедетям" шастать на лечение и нефть гнать.


    По моему скромному мнению им бы зачистить свой собственный тыл прежде всего нужно вдоль основных дорог установить надежный контроль. А то там сплошные партизаны. Практически ни по одной дороге спокойно ехать нельзя. Любые грузы приходится возить с серьезным эскортом и то не все доходит. Самим приходится ехать отдельно как шпионам. И это в тылу на якобы "контролируемой территории". А сколько войск и техники на эти эскорты отвелекается? Я конечно не знаю но посидеть рядом с дорого чуток мимо тебя столько всего проедет и все в сопровождении серьезной техники. И это в тылу. Нигде у нас такого не было ни в Чечене ни в Афгане. Хотя там партизаны были по круче. Хотя это конечно субъективно.

    The establishment of control over the border is still very far away. In addition to the next boilers, such an attempt would not have ended.

    In the meantime, you have to release your entourage.
    This is a big victory for more of them.
    But after it, mine should leave the base and level the front in order to reliably control it. In order to prevent the enemy from freely penetrating into their rear areas and being able to concentrate their forces.
    And so it turns out that the front has been stretched and a boiler can again form.
    I do not pretend to absolute truth.

    But this is my humble and subjective opinion.
  • msm
    msm 11 November 2015 12: 42 New
    +1
    Eat what they give!
  • andrew42
    andrew42 11 November 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    It is rather a great moral success than a strategic one. He encourages his own, demoralizes the enemy. But it is very good !!! In general, we win on points! There is no talk of knockout yet.
  • Balagan
    Balagan 11 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    Is this the same air base that lasted 3 years under siege? Well done then! Syrian Leningrad!
    1. Santjaga_Garka
      Santjaga_Garka 11 November 2015 21: 25 New
      +1
      No, they captured Tu, this other one, but well done anyway, 2 years in defense - this is simply unbelievable nowadays! Guys are just Heroes!
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 12 November 2015 10: 24 New
      +3
      yes, this is a very powerful episode