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Sixteen shock days

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Brief results of the actions of the Russian military aviation


October 14 of this year, the Russian Air and Space Forces celebrated a kind of anniversary - two weeks from the start of the air campaign in Syria against the militants of the "Islamic State". It can already be stated that, in terms of the number of completed sorties, officially destroyed targets, as well as used aviation weapons, the current actions of the VCS in the Middle East overlap with similar indicators of the war with Georgia in August 2008.

Over the past two weeks, the excitement that has arisen in the media in the early days of the air campaign has already subsided, the work of the Russian aviation began to be more of a planned character, therefore you can sum up the first results.

Forces and means


At the time of the bombing, the Russian group, based at the Khmeimim airbase (Basil Assad airport in the Syrian province of Latakia), consisted of twelve Su-24M front-line bombers, the same Su-25 attack aircraft, and six Su-34 front panel bombers of the SAM-30 HR aH axes and aerial attack aircraft of the Su, six of the I bombers, and six Su bombers, as well as six I bombers. SuCM fighters.

At the same time, the reports in the Russian mass media referring to the press service of the Ministry of Defense about the transfer to Suria of an additional number of Su-30CM are erroneous. As of October 16, only four newest fighters with a variable thrust vector operated in Latakia.

Most likely, the fleet of Su-24M front-line bombers in Syria consists of two models - Su-24М2 and Su-24М with specialized computing subsystems SVP-24, developed and produced by Gefest and T, installed on board.

It should be noted that visually both versions of the Su-24M do not differ from each other and it is not possible to accurately distinguish which of them are M2 and which are not. But nevertheless, it can be assumed that there are still more sides with the SVP-24 installed on them.

SVP provides high accuracy of using conventional free-fall bombs (according to some data, at a distance of 20 kilometers the FAB deviation from the target when using SVP-24 is about a meter), therefore, the machines equipped with it are most likely used for striking small and well-protected fixed targets.

At the same time, Su-24М2 are attracted to strike at a cluster of armored vehicles and enemy manpower, artillery positions - those targets where low accuracy can be compensated for with power and the number of aviation weapons in the salvo.

Sixteen shock daysThe fleet of Su-25 attack aircraft based on the Khmeimim airbase also consists of several modifications of the machines — both the Su-25CM tested in combat work, previously used during the August 2008 fighting in Georgia, and the more 25CM3.

It should be noted that the attack aircraft of the СМ3 modification, on which the modern optical laser-television system (SALT-25) is installed, are most likely attracted to attack headquarters, ammunition depots and control points both during the day and at night. A more simple Su-25SM work on enemy infantry, equipment and artillery.

It is noteworthy that of the twelve attack aircraft, two are combat training Su-25UB ("Sparky"), which, judging by the video chronicles, are actively involved in combat work. It can be assumed that these machines were also upgraded, within which a computing subsystem of SVPs adapted for use on the Su-25 was installed on them, which should radically increase their combat capabilities.

So, the main work in Syria is performed primarily by front-line bombers Su-24 and attack aircraft Su-25 - they account for at least 70 – 80 percent of all combat missions. At the same time, more modern Su-34s are used much less frequently, since they primarily carry out the tasks of striking high-precision aviation weapons (corrected by GLONASS bombs KAB-500С) on particularly important and so-called difficult targets.

The Su-30CM fighters, which most likely cover only strike machines operating in the north of Syria, closer to the border with Turkey, as well as in those regions where it is possible to meet with NATO aircraft and, in particular, are not very intense. USA In addition to accompanying the Su-30CM impact machines, it is possible that they are on duty in specified areas.

Do goals end?


As of October 16 this year, the Russian group has completed more than 500 sorties (according to various estimates, from 508 to 520) and hit more than 490 targets. If we conduct a detailed analysis, the work of Su-25 attack aircraft and Su-24M front-line bombers can be determined on 300 – 450 sorties.

Given the number of Su-30CM fighters, as well as the tasks that they performed, there are no more than 30 sorties on their account, and perhaps fewer. Whereas the newest Su-34 took off from 40 to 50 times.

It should be noted that the intensity of the combat work of the Russian aviation over the past two weeks was very different. If in the first days, even taking into account night strikes, the Aerospace Forces group carried out a little more than 20 departures per day (the exception is October 7, then the VCS reported on 32 departures) with the aim of striking previously identified targets, then with October 9 intensity the work immediately tripled - on this day Russian planes from Khmeimim flew 67 once. At the same time, enemy artillery positions, armored vehicles and other enemy targets located practically on the front lines began to appear in the lists of targets.

On the same days, video clips filmed by the Syrian opposition appeared. They recorded strikes on her defensive positions allegedly Russian Su-25 in the interests of supporting the attack of government troops. It is noteworthy that the attack aircraft used unguided aircraft missiles to perform this task.

Over the past two weeks, the record remains October 13. On this day, 88 sorties were flown. But already on October 14, the intensity of combat work has noticeably decreased, since, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, the militants who began to retreat, abandon their positions and the number of possible targets for the Russian Aerospace Forces grouping has significantly decreased.

If we calculate the average number of sorties made from September 30 to October 16, then on average 34 of the Aerospace Forces aircraft of Russia carried out 35 – 37 sorties per day.

Since the start of air strikes in Syria, the Russian group has changed not only indicators of the intensity of combat work, but also priorities in the choice of targets.

Since September 30, the main strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces have been carried out according to official data on control centers, warehouses and training camps for militants. But already on October 4, the first cases of defeat of an accumulation of enemy automobile and armored vehicles were recorded. On October 6, the Russian military said that militants began to hide their Tanks and other equipment near residential buildings and mosques, in confirmation of which a video was recorded from the board of an unmanned aerial vehicle.

From October 7, militant positions fortified became increasingly featured on the list of targets hit by Russian planes, which became the main targets for defeat until October 14, when, according to the Defense Ministry, the militants began to retreat. As of October 16, the Aerospace Force reoriented again to strikes at warehouses, camps and command and control centers.

Air Arsenal


Despite the fact that the official representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry in their speeches strongly emphasize the use of high-precision airborne forces in Syria weapons, judging by the videos and photos from the scene, while the main weapon remains free-fall high-explosive aerial bombs FAB-250 and FAB-500.

This choice is easy to explain. Using SVP-24 and SALT-25, Russian aviation can strike free-falling ammunition with high accuracy, which is even lower than that of controlled TSA, but this is compensated by the power of the ammunition themselves, as well as their number in one series.

Undoubtedly, the issue of price also affects, when several FABs dropped are much cheaper than a single adjusted ammunition.

However, such a calculation is not always justified. In particular, the video presented by the Russian Defense Ministry 30 on September and fixing the bombing of the militants command post located in the building clearly shows that a series of bombs fall a long distance from the object and only one FAB fell in the immediate vicinity (judging by the video, 50 – 70 meters). Although we must pay tribute - one bomb was enough to damage the target.

But there are also positive moments, in particular, the video of the strike on the training camp in Idlib 12 of October, where it is clearly seen that the bombs not only fall quite accurately, but also lay down so that they cover almost the entire target. And on the video, filmed directly by Syrian militants, it is clearly seen that the FAB bombs not only accurately hit the headquarters, but also completely destroyed it.

Of the highly accurate TSA tools, the use of GLBASS-corrected bombs by KAB-500S Su-34 bombers (according to official data on warehouses and control points), as well as X-25ML missiles with a semi-active Su-24M homing head, which are most likely, used to defeat the positions of militants, equipment and artillery directly on the battlefield.

If there is no open access to the X-29 video chronicles, then the Russian military department has enough videos with the KAB-500 hits. It should be noted here that a bomb adjusted with the help of a satellite navigation system does not always exactly hit the target. In particular, the Su-34 strike video on the militants control point, located in the former prison building in Idlib province 9 of October, clearly shows that the first break of KAB-500 lies relatively far from the target and does not cause special damage to the building with powerful walls.

It should be noted that such blunders are the exception rather than the rule, and corrected by GLONASS TSA hit the target with a sufficiently high accuracy.

Russian aircraft are actively using one-time bomb cassettes (RBC) to destroy armored vehicles and Syrian militants, although the Defense Ministry has so far presented only one video using these munitions on enemy positions located in mountainous and wooded areas.

Also quite exotic means of aviation destruction were used - concrete-bombs and anti-tank ammunition with self-homing. And if the blow BETAB-500 on some of the "engineering positions" of the enemy, inflicted on 10 of October, judging by the video presented, was a complete success, then questions remain about the effectiveness of anti-tank ammunition.

In particular, the video, laid out by Syrian militants, shows that even if the ammunition explodes in the air, the targets are not noticeable, some of the non-triggered self-targeting combat elements lie on the ground. So far, it is reliably known about only one application of RBC-500 with the October 7 SE.

Separately, it is necessary to dwell on the P-27 air-to-air missiles, with which the Su-30CM fighters took off for combat missions. Despite the fact that these missiles can be called obsolete, they have an undeniable advantage - there are quite a lot of them in warehouses.

Each aviation weapon has a limit on the number of landings performed with it: after all, not only the aircraft, but also the TSA itself experiences both overloads and a heavy blow when it touches the ground. According to some data, for many modern air-to-air missiles, especially for medium-range missiles, this figure is equal to the number one. That is, after the first landing, the rocket must be removed and sent for inspection and repair.

Therefore, the use of Su-30 older, but available in sufficient quantities in warehouses P-27, of course, justified. Especially when militants do not have aircraft, and in the case of NATO and US aircraft, the presence of such missiles is more of a precautionary measure. Although it is possible that more modern medium-range air-to-air missiles, recently received by the troops, were also delivered to Khmeimim for combat work.

Calculating the result


To sum up the two weeks of combat work, it should be noted that the grouping of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria solved quite diverse tasks, ranging from hitting the enemy’s infrastructure and ending with direct support of the troops.

In particular, the peak of the sorties fell on the offensive that had begun on the positions of the militants of the Syrian 4-th assault corps, which had recently ended with the capture of several villages. At the same time, the recent decrease in the intensity of combat work indicates that preparations are under way for a new offensive. It is possible that this break is used by the VKS of Russia for the repair of aviation equipment and airport infrastructure.

But one should not idealize the intensity of the combat work of the Russian aviation: the number of sorties per day, which we now see, speaks of normal combat work in accordance with all standards and regulatory documents.

Despite the use of high-precision ASPs, which are not always effective, the main weapons of aviation are the usual free-fall aerial bombs, and the workhorses of the VKS in Syria are modernized, but still Su-25 and Su-24. Let's pay tribute, more modern Su-34 also actively participate in combat missions.

Judging by the videos presented by the militants, the effectiveness of Russian aviation is quite good and the enemy suffers losses. But nevertheless, the Russian air campaign in Syria is not a sprint, but rather a marathon, therefore, it will be possible to judge the real achievements only in two or three months.
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  1. lav67
    lav67 23 October 2015 14: 58 New
    +17
    God give good luck to the guys.!
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 October 2015 15: 14 New
      +14
      Posner first realized ... What you need to bring down!
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 23 October 2015 16: 37 New
        +2
        What a nasty face!
        1. The lead
          The lead 23 October 2015 16: 41 New
          +2
          It would be nice to send a couple of A-50 AWACS aircraft to Syria. It will be very uncomfortable for the likely enemy aircraft in the sky of Syria.
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 24 October 2015 06: 36 New
            +2
            Why did you suggest this?
            Show your awareness?
            Then offer the Tu-160 to send
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 October 2015 15: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: lav67
      God give good luck to the guys.!

      Feeding ... devils! bully Everything will be fine!
      1. ASG7
        ASG7 23 October 2015 15: 47 New
        +6
        It may begin to give our planes the names of the guri, so that especially concerned Islamists themselves run under the bombs. laughing
        1. olegglin
          olegglin 23 October 2015 17: 36 New
          +13
          Vladimir October 22, 2015 at 22: 33
          Yes. The hands at the helm yearned (for Russian pilots).
          I envy peasants with white envy - airplanes, sky, "training" for real goals :))
          I at least wash the wheels of aircraft)))
          1. ydjin
            ydjin 24 October 2015 05: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: olegglin
            Vladimir October 22, 2015 at 22: 33
            Yes. The hands at the helm yearned (for Russian pilots).
            I envy peasants with white envy - airplanes, sky, "training" for real goals :))
            I at least wash the wheels of aircraft)))

            I myself served an urgent defense, I live on Sakhalin. Once we had an air regiment in Sokol, in Novoaleksandrovsk there was a regiment of helicopter pilots. Now it’s nothing! The flight time from Khabara is about 45 minutes! SAKHALINin general without air cover! And this is an outpost of Russia in the Far East! They reduced my friends who flew on MiG 31, the words of Seryoga are still in my memory, “Jack, how to fly hunting, they took away people's souls!”
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    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 October 2015 15: 26 New
      +9
      The main thing is that the Syrian infantry competently use the results of our air support. Otherwise, all in vain.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 23 October 2015 17: 55 New
        +4
        That's it! And then we will bomb for years. Good luck to both our and the Syrians on earth. And let them agree with the Kurds sooner, otherwise the States will spoil them here.
    4. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 24 October 2015 03: 35 New
      +1
      The best wish. Brothers here such an interesting movie unfolds. They get the old shoots and they spin with might and main. And our guys in Syria hit on very interesting sites. Now there are no longer those videos about underground enterprises. And they are worth the look at this miracle of technical genius. In the best sense. There are really solid and high-tech factories. And I give a tooth to bearded men they don’t work, they only guard. I wonder how they ended up there. And they were watched by crowds of drones. Now the number of drones has decreased. Something quickly drained their AUG from the bay. They are waiting for a replacement. It’s not clean there with this war. And the MO effect is right after the destruction of such objects after a month or even two. And these factories were located exactly where the Great Coalition frolicked with might and main in the air. Our guys really upset the hegemonic machinations. Such a feeling is his army there on earth and he protects it. And they bomb those who do not want to be content with what they get so probably.
  2. beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 October 2015 15: 01 New
    +10
    All this, of course, is good if the fleet will be rotated so as not to bring the resource consumption to critical, which is quite realistic with such intensive operation.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 October 2015 06: 44 New
      +1
      Take a piece of paper and a pencil and count a little - how many sorties each plane made.
      In the pilots of the Soviet Army in one week of regular training flight training they flew more, and the materiel with such intensity 1 time in six months for routine maintenance became
  3. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 23 October 2015 15: 02 New
    +3
    Professional analysis of open source fighting is an interesting and exciting thing. Either a professional or a "deeply modernized" amateur can tell so many nuances of the technical characteristics of the used aircraft, equipment and weapons.

    But since such an analysis is not of interest to our military (they know everything anyway), and an analysis of this depth is not needed by "ordinary" lovers (such nuances are not recognized by lovers), this article can be described as "Pentagon Policy Brief".
  4. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 23 October 2015 15: 02 New
    +2
    I think that there are goals.
  5. manguest
    manguest 23 October 2015 15: 13 New
    +8
    A wonderful advertisement of domestic products for a wide international audience, I think the line will be built for years. Given that this is a side effect, the cost of advertising itself is zero.
  6. Agrokotik1989
    Agrokotik1989 23 October 2015 15: 16 New
    +12
    according to some reports, at a range of up to 20 kilometers, the deviation of the fab from the target when using SVP-24 is about a meter
    Whose fruit is wet fantasies?
    No one is bombing with 20 km because the error of bombing will be unacceptable due to wind, loss of speed and ballistics of the bomb.
    Editors, do you even read these reposts?
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 October 2015 17: 26 New
      +13
      Quote: Agrokotik1989
      Whose fruit is wet fantasies?


      Well, the author is still that .. "airshel" wassat

      Can't tell Su-24M from Su-24M2 and Su-24M-SVP-24? wink
      I give a tip wassat -... on the pilot’s M-ke is PPV-2, on the M2-IKSH, on the M-SVP-24 KAI-24 .... they are very different visually .. even you don’t need to look into the cockpit wink
      SOLT-25 will only be tested .. and the affctor already ... in all ... "is fighting" wassat



      Quote: Agrokotik1989
      No one is bombing with 20 km because the error of bombing will be unacceptable due to wind, loss of speed and ballistics of the bomb.


      Here you are a little wrong, because the author means LDs (inclined throwing range) to the target which he has 20km .. which is quite real, because. for example, with b / m cabling with a pitch angle of 35-45 degrees with input at Н = 50-100m and Vpr = 1100 km / h, LДс will be 8-12 km wink At these altitudes, the discharge range is almost equal to the longitudinal relative.
      With an increase in the throwing height, as well as the speed of the aircraft, LDs as well as the aiming angle (angle of discharge) will increase.
      Therefore, dumping at ranges of 20 km or more .. it’s not such a fantasy, on the other hand, it’s getting there ... by zeros or, as the author writes, within the limits of KVO = 1 m ... this is real .. “fantasy”, because such criteria as intermediate wind, intermediate Q (characteristic time of bomb fall), actual weight of the bomb, according to which BT (ballistic tables) its, bombs, ballistic coefficients and characteristics are calculated.

      And the "law of bombing", the lower the height and the larger the caliber of the bomb .. nobody else canceled wink
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 October 2015 22: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        Here you are a little wrong, because the author means LDs (inclined throwing range) to the target which he has 20km .. which is quite real, because. for example, with b / m cabling with a pitch angle of 35-45 degrees with input at Н = 50-100m and Vpr = 1100 km / h, Lс will be 8-12 km At these altitudes, the discharge range is almost equal to the longitudinal ratio. , as well as the flight speed of the aircraft, LДс as well as the aiming angle (angle of discharge) will increase. Therefore, the discharge at ranges of 20 km or more .. it's not so fantastic, on the other hand, it’s about to hit .. by zeros or as the author writes in KVO = 1 m ... this is real .. "fiction", because. such criteria as intermediate wind, intermediate Q (characteristic time of bomb fall), actual weight of the bomb, according to which BT (ballistic tables) its, bombs, ballistic coefficients and characteristics are calculated. And the "law of bombing", the lower the height and the larger the caliber of the bomb. . still no one canceled

        There is another important factor in the bombing which you did not mention - not everyone shows us, then I consider the dispute useless, because PR is the same weapon as bombs .........
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 24 October 2015 07: 11 New
        0
        Y-eh - there is a real application, and not a lecture on the theory of bombing.
        What is the speed of 1100 and the bombing from the cabriolet - what do they work in the active air defense zone?
        There is one task - "every bomb to the target!" There is no opposition - the crosshair imposed and catch a gift.
        Why experiment?
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 23 October 2015 20: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Agrokotik1989
      No one is bombing with 20 km because the error of bombing will be unacceptable due to wind, loss of speed and ballistics of the bomb.

      So this range is not in height, but in distance to the target. For example, an airplane flies at an altitude of 10 km, systems determine the distance to a target in 20 km, a target is captured, the SVP gives a command and the bomb goes off. Here everything is taken into account and the speed of the aircraft (equal to the initial speed of the bomb), and the direction and height of the drop. And the wind ... The bombs make such a configuration to minimize the influence of the wind, for example, stabilizers contribute to the "twisting" of the bomb around its axis and the wind is not so terrible.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 24 October 2015 07: 29 New
        0
        Bombs are made in such a configuration as to minimize the influence of wind, for example, stabilizers contribute to the "twisting" of the bomb around its axis and the wind is not so terrible.


        especially OFAB-250 used there. It is also funny about the "twisting" and "fearless wind."
    3. Just BB
      Just BB 24 October 2015 06: 57 New
      0
      I can upset a little: the MiG-25RB could carry out navigation (according to the calculations of the on-board computer) bombing from a height of 20 meters with four FAB-000M-500 bombs with a probable deviation of 62 meters from the target. (Although what difference does it make with these deviations these two tons of TNT 100 or 10 meters).

      And for the current case, the "blunder" is specific.

      PS: and those bombs were slightly different even in appearance - streamlined.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2015 15: 19 New
    +5
    Yes, on a per head basis, the intensity of combat work is normal. Efficiency - I wanted to write - is normal, but the question is, with what to compare? If with a coalition, then "stunning."
    And, pah-pah-pah-no loss!
  8. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 15: 20 New
    +2
    I liked a fairly competent and objective analysis of combat use. It is strange why the author bypassed the work of helicopters.

    How interesting it is even. hi
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 October 2015 07: 34 New
      0
      I think that in addition to patrolling the area around the airfield, helicopters do not perform another task.
  9. Bongo
    Bongo 23 October 2015 15: 24 New
    +16
    Most likely, the fleet of Su-24M front-line bombers in Syria consists of two models - Su-24М2 and Su-24М with specialized computing subsystems SVP-24, developed and produced by Gefest and T, installed on board.

    The author is mistaken no Modernized Su-24M from the Shagol air base near Chelyabinsk operate in the SAR. Their difference from the Su-24M2 is precisely the use of sighting and navigation equipment SVP-24 from ZAO Hephaestus T. On Su-24М2 was installed lobbying by the former CEO of the company "Sukhoi" M.A. Pogosyan’s aiming and navigation system, developed by OKB and NIIREC (ROC "Gusar"), which had the worst performance. Sighting navigation equipment SVP-24 CJSC "Hephaestus and T" at the output turned out to be much more practical, cheaper and more accurate. The old Su-24M equipped with SVP-24 are not inferior in their impact capabilities to more modern machines.
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 October 2015 17: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: Bongo
      Old men Su-24M, equipped with SVP-24, are not inferior in their shock capabilities to more modern machines.


      Seryozha ... as always right drinks
      Well, to distinguish M-ku with SVP-24 before, it was possible by the stencil applied on the left air intake, right behind the tail number drinks



      1. Bongo
        Bongo 24 October 2015 01: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        Seryozha ... as always right

        With your help... drinks
  10. ferdiperdozzz
    ferdiperdozzz 23 October 2015 18: 52 New
    +8
    What are you all smart :)
    I liked the article. Comments supplemented - generally interesting :)
    I love aviation, but not an expert :)
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 19: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: ferdiperdozzz
      What are you all smart :)
      I liked the article. Comments supplemented - generally interesting :)
      I love aviation, but not an expert :)


      Don’t be upset, Alexey, there are enough specialists on the site without us, but I agree with your comment. hi
  11. sky diver
    sky diver 23 October 2015 19: 18 New
    +1
    Well done ours, well done.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 October 2015 20: 35 New
      +3
      May God grant them all to return home healthy.
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  12. Lapot
    Lapot 23 October 2015 20: 14 New
    0
    Refueling SU-24M in the air
  13. xin-l
    xin-l 23 October 2015 21: 09 New
    +2
    A nicely updated article by local experts. And then you read and in a turnip you scratch. And then competent people will say that everything is fine and even terminology and specifics will be added to the head again, but it’s kind of calmer at heart. Now you can enter the anomalies of relict radiation with a light heart.
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 24 October 2015 02: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: xin-l
      Now you can enter the anomalies of relict radiation with a light heart.

      good good good
      Chezh Ento is! Now I won’t sleep, I’ll think about what to enter, how and where!
  14. Dr dron
    Dr dron 23 October 2015 22: 05 New
    -1
    It seems to me that the author of the article is much smarter than it seems to some commentators who post technical details for wide viewing and voicing the locations of the flight crew participating in the operation in the ATS.
    1. tomket
      tomket 23 October 2015 23: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Dr Dron
      voicing the locations of the flight crew participating in the operation in the ATS.

      Or do you consider a potential enemy impassable idiots. who learned from the comments about the existence of the city of Chelyabinsk.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 24 October 2015 02: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Dr Dron
      It seems to me that the author of the article is much smarter than it seems to some commentators who post technical details for wide viewing and voicing the locations of the flight crew participating in the operation in the ATS.

      It seems to me that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is much smarter than some commentators. fool Before suffering in "spy mania" is it not better to understand the facts.

      For example, it is a well-known fact that the Algerian Air Force received the upgraded Su-24M with the SVP-24 system from CJSC Hephaestus T earlier than the Russian Air Force. Do you really think that the characteristics of this system repeatedly demonstrated at the MAX and offered for export are a big secret? Or is it a secret from which Russian air bases that the planes in the ATS?
  15. boroda64
    boroda64 24 October 2015 02: 20 New
    0
    .
    - good luck, guys.......
    / I can’t imagine - how obato - she keeps up with the departures ../
  16. garmonist
    garmonist 24 October 2015 04: 05 New
    0
    All this is excellent, but you should not expect a quick defeat of the militants anyway. The Chechen war (2nd) lasted 10 months until the complete defeat of all major gangs. At the same time, the level of equipment and numbers, as well as the size of the territory on which the battles took place, are much smaller than the Syrian ones. At the same time, from the beginning of the operation, both Pinocchio and vacuum bombs were actively used in Chechnya, and the tanks were generally better protected than what the Syrians use. If you do not help Syria to re-equip the ground units with modern weapons, the results of the operation will be modest, and the losses will be huge .By the way, the modernization of Syrian tanks could be carried out quite quickly and relatively inexpensively when compared with the cost of, for example, high-precision munitions for the aerospace forces or Kolibr NK missiles.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 24 October 2015 07: 52 New
      0
      In Syria, the territory occupied by IS is mostly open sands can be hidden in a few oases and settlements, so the size should not be intimidating.
      It was given to all of you this "modern weapon" - with us, it’s enough and old that is very effective - we don’t destroy it at landfills by blasting.

      It’s a pity that the operation of the Su-25 with S-8 missiles is not visible, but this is a normal projectile of a 76 mm gun, of which 160 can lead in one “flight”.
      I think no less effective than a couple of OFAB-250, and the "spectacular effect" makes an impression
  17. slizhov
    slizhov 24 October 2015 08: 12 New
    0
    They were steamed, bearded soared, built, built, invested Yankee money, invested ...
    And they wanted to exist for millennia, Like the Third Reich !!!
  18. xin-l
    xin-l 24 October 2015 09: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Chezh Ento is! Now I won’t sleep, I’ll think about what to enter, how and where!

    Heh. wink This is, so to speak, the state of our Universe in the initial stage in the first seconds after the Big Bang. That's just this background radiation should tell about how it developed to the point that we have the good fortune to observe now. However, as it turned out, everything is not easy here. There, you even imagine your own "axis of evil", inspired by the way by the Iraq war. In general, here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG7l61f84Ug if you are of course ready for a brain-crushing physical-mathematical conceptual apparatus. laughing
  19. Dr dron
    Dr dron 24 October 2015 16: 07 New
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    Quote: tomket
    Quote: Dr Dron
    voicing the locations of the flight crew participating in the operation in the ATS.

    Or do you consider a potential enemy impassable idiots. who learned from the comments about the existence of the city of Chelyabinsk.


    I'm afraid to ask, how did you find out about Chelyabinsk? According to comments from the internet?

    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Dr Dron
    It seems to me that the author of the article is much smarter than it seems to some commentators who post technical details for wide viewing and voicing the locations of the flight crew participating in the operation in the ATS.

    It seems to me that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is much smarter than some commentators. fool Before suffering in "spy mania" is it not better to understand the facts.

    For example, it is a well-known fact that the Algerian Air Force received the upgraded Su-24M with the SVP-24 system from CJSC Hephaestus T earlier than the Russian Air Force. Do you really think that the characteristics of this system repeatedly demonstrated at the MAX and offered for export are a big secret? Or is it a secret from which Russian air bases that the planes in the ATS?


    It is a well-known fact that the characteristics of export options are still different ... fool
  20. Sea Wolf
    Sea Wolf 24 October 2015 22: 31 New
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    Lord God, help our flyers establish justice in the world. There He knows everything. And He is on our side. Russia! I am proud of you, and I am glad that I was born in the middle of Siberian swamps. This is my homeland and my native places forever.