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West, apologize to the Russians!

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The Netherlands Boeing Crash Inquiry Commission found no evidence of Russia's involvement in the tragedy. Well-known journalist Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey suggested that the Western media publicly apologize to Moscow by the guilty of slandering Russia by Western media. Apologies must be made by everyone who lied about the Boeing disaster in Ukraine last July.




On the English version of the site Pravda.ru published an article by international journalist Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey (Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey). In the first paragraph, the author suggested that the media, which accused Russia and its president, "stand up and apologize."

As one would expect, the author writes, the long-awaited report on the crash of the MH-17 board did not give a single proof that would allow to “catch” the Russian Federation or President Putin. “So maybe these media, accusing Russia and its president of knocking down MH-17, would like to stand up and apologize?”

According to Bancroft-Hinchey, to apologize, these media must have firmness, morality and character. But in order to spread unfounded accusations, you only need to be able to curse like a cabman, be characterless, immoral, and generally vile.

Refusal to apologize will additionally show the "lack of character, evil, and worthlessness" of the accusers of Russia.

Having said this, the author not without humor notices that this could have been the end of the article.

However, this is not all.

Those who accused Russia, who on the air demonstrated their mourning for children and parents, who asked President Putin to “return” their children, now have a lot to say.

Families and relatives of those who died in the disaster should demand an explanation from those who cynically used the terrible tragedy, played on the grief of relatives, in order to create another terrible picture about Russia. Slanderous accusations should not go unanswered, the journalist said.

Recall, the Security Council of the Netherlands, investigating the causes of the crash of "Boeing", recently released the final report. The press conference was held at the military base Gilze-Reyen, writes Gazeta.ru.

According to the commission, the cause of the disaster was the undermining of the 9H314М missile of the 9М38 series of missiles, inside of which is a fuse and two layers of iron fragments. The rocket was launched from the Buk anti-aircraft missile system.

At the press conference, the Dutch showed videos in which it was reported that fragments of the rocket were found in the bodies of crew members. On the fragments there were traces of paint characteristic of the Buka’s missile warhead.

The report notes that just on July 14 of last year (on the day of the tragedy), the Ukrainian authorities raised the upper bar of altitude allowed for civilian flights aviation, up to 32 thousand feet (9753 m). The reasons why this was done remained unknown.

The head of the investigation, Tyibb Yostra, did not indicate which side of the front line the missile was launched from.

According to the report, three crew members of the Boeing were killed in the cockpit when a rocket hit the plane. As a possible cause of the disaster, the investigation eliminated a bomb explosion inside the liner hull, an air-to-air missile, a meteorite strike or a technical malfunction.

Ukraine did not like the conclusions of the Netherlands Commission.

16 of October, the Minister of Justice of Ukraine, Pavel Petrenko, stated that Ukraine did not violate international law, leaving the sky over the conflict zone in the Donbas open when the Malaysian Boeing crashed there, writes "Lenta.ru".

“Ukraine, as follows from the interim report, from the official part that can be talked about, fulfilled all the international treaties in the field of aviation law without exception, and there were no violations of both ICAO directives and international legislation on our part”, said Mr. Petrenko.

The minister believes that the cause of the tragedy is Russia.

Two days later, on October 18, Petro Poroshenko also spoke.

The President of Ukraine rejected the findings of an international commission led by the Netherlands Security Council. He said this in an interview with the American television channel "CNN", reports "Lenta.ru".

Poroshenko noted that Ukraine closed the airspace at a height of 9725 meters in accordance with the recommendations of the International Civil Aviation Organization. "We did not have any information that indicated the need to close it above this mark," Poroshenko said, and then accused Russia of supplying high-tech militias weapons.

Starting to blame, we add from himself, he out of his old habit could no longer stop, completely forgetting about the plane and the investigation.

According to Mr. Poroshenko, Moscow is absolutely irresponsible in Ukraine and Syria, and soon, it will probably invade Afghanistan. “First Crimea, then Donbass, now Syria. Perhaps the next country, I don’t know, will be Afghanistan, ”he cites“ Lenta ”.

Next, the Ukrainian president turned on the topic of NATO.

He expressed the hope that Ukraine will join NATO, because the North Atlantic Alliance is "the most effective security mechanism." “My duty is to implement reforms in the country so that Ukraine becomes a member of NATO. I think it will take five to six years, ”said Poroshenko.

It seems that Poroshenko does not expect that his country will be in NATO under his rule. Re-election of presidents in Ukraine is not accepted. But there adopted the Orange Revolution and euromaidan.

The West in the person of its media, of course, will not ask Russia for an apology. However, comments by those in opposition to the current government in the United States followed.

For example, Donald Trump, a potential Republican presidential candidate, said MSNBCthat to bring the Donbass militia, as well as Russia, accountable for the crash of the Malaysian "Boeing" there is no sufficient evidence.

In addition, the billionaire noted that he did not support the reaction of Washington, which was accompanied by an incident with the plane.

Publicist Paul Craig Roberts, after reading the Dutch report on the plane crash, in the pages "Counter Punch" made the following conclusion.

There is nothing in the Dutch report that would lead to a conclusion about any guilt of the Donbass militias or the Russians. The only thing that is contained in the report and concerns the Russians is the fact that the rocket was made in Russia and released from the “Buk”. The Dutch do not argue who made the launch. The report does not accuse Russia, Roberts points out, but they blame Ukraine: it has not closed the airspace over areas where war is going on. And now the lawyers who have studied the report have already stated that the families of the victims, as well as the Malaysian airline, are likely to file lawsuits against Ukraine - they will accuse her of negligence.

The previous accusations of Russia served Washington well: with their help, the White House finally turned the European states into vassals, forcing them to take sanctions against Russia.

But in Washington they never explained, and the Western media never asked about it: what could push the Donbass "separatists" or Russia itself to shoot down Malaysia?

The Russian government would never allow such a thing to be done, the publicist believes. "HistoryWashington's about the plane made no sense. “Only an idiot could believe in her,” Roberts writes.

And concludes: The West has no future. The West no longer has media, only propaganda sources and apologists of US state crimes remain. Every day, paid and dependent media support the “matrix”, turning the Western peoples into a politically impotent flock.

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  1. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 October 2015 06: 05 New
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    West, apologize to the Russians!

    It is necessary not to apologize, but to look for and punish those responsible. Wretched and infantile. Purely European - tolerant. It is clear that they wanted to denigrate the Russian Federation and GDP personally. However, like children, they messed up, and, like, apologize. And put in the corner, and the belt on the pop? The hospital was bombed - they didn't even apologize, they said something about "collateral losses", but for Russia it was just a tribunal. So call on those to apologize, and give the food to the tribunal. Tolerasty, damn it.
    1. ratfly
      ratfly 21 October 2015 06: 09 New
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      If Ukraine were rich and prosperous, then it would be possible to receive compensation from it. And who needs naked debtors? Apart from analyzes, nothing can be taken from them.
      1. severniy
        severniy 21 October 2015 09: 02 New
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        One thumps, the other current from a palm tree of tears ... From whom are you waiting for an apology ????? request
        1. yushch
          yushch 21 October 2015 09: 22 New
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          We do not need their apologies, we are not vindictive ... yes We are just angry and write everything down, and we’ll show the score when the time comes.
          1. djqnbdjqnb
            djqnbdjqnb 21 October 2015 21: 35 New
            +1
            I was hoping that they would get along with this investigation. But I never thought it was so fluid and plentiful. The whole world stinks
          2. OlegLex
            OlegLex 22 October 2015 20: 22 New
            +4
            “Do not hope that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed that supposedly defend you. They are not worth the paper they are written on. Therefore, it is worth playing with Russians either playing honestly or not playing at all. ”
            OTTO VON BISMARK
        2. Pilot
          Pilot 21 October 2015 19: 11 New
          +4
          Europe was blown away. Ukrainians, inflate here, here they burst. Vile .. Waiting for cotton.
      2. skrabplus.ru
        skrabplus.ru 21 October 2015 11: 35 New
        +2
        while you can still take free trips to the Black Sea resorts, although what normal Malaysian will go there now?
      3. goose
        goose 21 October 2015 11: 47 New
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        Quote: ratfly
        If Ukraine were rich and prosperous, then it would be possible to receive compensation from it. And who needs naked debtors? Apart from analyzes, nothing can be taken from them.

        Ukraine did not pay anything for the downed Tu-154, and the interpretation was in the form due to lack of evidence of guilt !!! This is the height of arrogance, cynicism and stupid stupidity.
        What to expect from these moral pigs in this case. The Government of Ukraine has moral advantage, and for 20 years they have been using the administrative resource to propagate their rot.
      4. mihasik
        mihasik 21 October 2015 15: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: ratfly
        If Ukraine were rich and prosperous, then it would be possible to receive compensation from it. And who needs naked debtors?

        So "bare butts" and take it!)
    2. KOH
      KOH 21 October 2015 06: 12 New
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      Apologizing also doesn’t hurt ...
      1. venaya
        venaya 21 October 2015 06: 16 New
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        Quote: CON
        Apologizing also doesn’t hurt ...

        After such an apology, you have to pay money, and money then bye bye. Even this option does not suit them.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 October 2015 06: 20 New
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        Quote: CON
        Apologizing also doesn’t hurt ...

        will be soon ...
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 21 October 2015 06: 45 New
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          will be soon ...

          That is unlikely.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 21 October 2015 09: 09 New
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            Quote: inkass_98
            That is unlikely.

            ...very much. And most likely!
            An option, for example, is this -
            more or less soberly reasoning forces "bring down" the current government. A revolt, a revolt of part of the army ... It doesn't matter how.
            What will be their next step? Turn to the Russian Federation for help against the reaction of the Bendery junta ...
        2. bornikrub
          bornikrub 21 October 2015 09: 40 New
          +2
          Who will believe the nit?
        3. Petrol
          Petrol 21 October 2015 10: 05 New
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          andrey yurievich about "Rossiyushka"
          as Rabbi Bakai, ancestor of the rabble, said: “Hypocrisy is permissible in the sense that a Jew must appear polite to the wicked, respect them and say:“ I love you. This is permissible only if the Jew has a need for the wicked, or has reason to fear him; otherwise it is a sin. ”
          source - (Sepher Cadha-Kemach, folio 30, a)
        4. navigator
          navigator 21 October 2015 10: 42 New
          +1
          "they'll be busy soon ..."

          Don’t tell, your phrase. They always whine, but on a different occasion.
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        6. gav6757
          gav6757 21 October 2015 12: 12 New
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          This cockerel has no conscience, how will they apologize?
          It is necessary to realize the act, and these that are aware ...
      3. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 21 October 2015 08: 42 New
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        It’s only possible to atone for the blood of those guilty and the colossal payments to the relatives of the victims of this act.
        Using a similar example to show the possibilities of international justice and the results of libel. To bring to justice the Western media and public individuals who accused Russia without proof. To demand moral compensation from individuals and legal entities (and not from states!) Who had and still have a "long tongue and hind mind". If these personalities do not want to voluntarily compensate for the "length of their language and hind mind", then it is worth imposing on the states of their citizenship ..., incl. Russian Sanctions. Perhaps there they will be hurry up and the suggestion will be made. Libel must be personalized! And it's time to teach these ghouls "to answer for the market".
      4. CAMS
        CAMS 21 October 2015 17: 04 New
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        YES, we won’t wait for anything. FOR THE GREAT DOMESTIC DOG, AT LEAST WHAT SOMETHING WAITED FOR? In order not to apologize, we have made an evil empire, as it is now.
    3. Bkmz
      Bkmz 21 October 2015 06: 46 New
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      An apology should look like this: Turchinov, Poroshenko, rabbit, Yarosh, Farion, Nalyvaychenko, Sakashvili in the dock in The Hague, this is at least.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 21 October 2015 07: 24 New
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        An apology should look like this: Turchinov, Poroshenko, rabbit, Yarosh, Farion, Nalyvaychenko, Sakashvili in the dock in The Hague, this is at least.
        -As a minimum, it’s Kameron + the State Department in its entirety on the Moon (Kolyma).
        ps in the jargon of the old prisoners "Luna" is Kolyma. For example, there were such tattoos: "there is vodka on the moon."
        1. Flor Fokic
          Flor Fokic 21 October 2015 08: 20 New
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          Why in the hague?
          In the Donbass.
          It is possible in Kiev, in real Kiev, not Bandera.
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 21 October 2015 13: 10 New
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          Most likely, a consensus was reached between the United States and the Russian Federation on Boeing: 1. The commission did not present evidence of the guilt of the Russian militias (not proven, it means innocent, on the presumption of innocence, which the West loves so much) .... 2. The commission brought the blame to the Ukrainian "authorities" under the article negligence (allegedly not by malicious intent) ... 3.Russia does not disclose the evidence it possesses proving the guilt of the Ukrainian side (indirectly and the guilt of the United States, covering the Ukrainian junta), for which it receives a number of serious concessions from the outside USA (in Ukraine, Syria, the Middle East in general, and on what thread there) .... So whether or not it will become clear in six months or a year, maybe a year and a half .... By the way, the Almaz-Antey experiment, in my opinion, is only a recreation of real events with satellite images in front of your eyes! Thus, the report of Almaz-Antey is a message to the powers that be in the United States that Russia knows in detail (like the United States) how everything happened, it means that it has irrefutable evidence !!! Before that, the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation hinted at the presence of evidence, apparently they did not believe it then ...
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      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 08: 28 New
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        Quote: Bkmz
        An apology should look like this: Turchinov, Poroshenko, rabbit, Yarosh, Farion, Nalyvaychenko, Sakashvili in the dock in The Hague, this is at least.

        Apologies should look like this: Turchinov, Poroshenko, rabbit, Yarosh, Farion, Nalyvaychenko, Sakashvili - Mass suicide through self-immolation at the stake from tires on the Maidan.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 October 2015 09: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Bkmz
        An apology should look like this: Turchinov, Poroshenko, rabbit, Yarosh, Farion, Nalyvaychenko, Sakashvili in the dock in The Hague, this is at least.

        don’t tell ... they are in The Hague, as two fingers on the asphalt will prove that it’s not they who are guilty, but Russia, and The Hague, they will believe, cry, and let go!
      5. Petrol
        Petrol 21 October 2015 10: 01 New
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        about a foreign rabble such as "Turchynov, Poroshenko, Krol, Yarosh, Farion, Nalivaychenko, Sakashvili"
        there is an antidote from them recorded in history!
        "The Greeks described the Slavs as extremely cruel: attacking any Greek city, they exterminated the entire population without exception, they did not take prisoners!"

        Oleg Prophetic important speeches:
        - if you do not kill the wounded enemy
        then in time he will kill your grandson!
      6. With Siberian Cranes
        With Siberian Cranes 21 October 2015 12: 22 New
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        Unfortunately, these are pipe dreams. The Western world presents them as leading fighters for democracy.
    4. andre
      andre 21 October 2015 06: 52 New
      +7
      Funny and sad. Read newspaper articles from the beginning of the last century. Remember the tragedy of a downed plane over the Black Sea. Nothing changes in this world !!!
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 08: 51 New
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        Quote: andre
        Read newspaper articles from the beginning of the last century. Remember the tragedy of a downed plane over the Black Sea. Nothing changes in this world !!!

        Absolutely nothing!
        On July 3 on 1988, an Airbus A300B2-203 of Iran Air Airlines made an IR655 commercial passenger flight between Tehran (Iran) and Dubai (UAE) with an intermediate landing in Bandar Abbas (Iran). A few minutes after the departure from Bandar Abbas, the plane was shot down over the Persian Gulf with a missile launched from the US Navy's Vincennes missile cruiser. 290 people were killed, including 16 crew members, among passengers there were 66 children. During the launch of the rocket, the cruiser Vincennes was in the territorial waters of Iran.
        The US government said the Iranian plane was mistakenly identified as an Iranian Air Force F-14 fighter. The Iranian government, however, claims that Vincennes deliberately attacked a civilian plane.
        Later, the cruiser commander, Captain William Rogers, was awarded the Legion of Honor Order for his successful service between 1987 and 1989.

        On October 4 of 2001 over the Black Sea, the Tu-154M of the Russian airline Siberia crashed on an 1812 flight on the Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk route.
        During the inspection of the wreckage of the aircraft, the striking elements of the 5V21V anti-aircraft missile of the C 200 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) were found. conducted on the Crimean peninsula of military exercises. All 11 passengers and 200 crew members were killed. Commenting on the incident with the Tu-66, the then President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma said: "Look what is happening around in the world, in Europe? We are not the first and not the last, there is no need to make a tragedy out of this. Mistakes are everywhere."
        But the USSR Air Force, for example, on April 20, 1978, attacked and forced to land a South Korean Boeing in Karelia, and on September 1, 1983 (again, South Korean!), A Boeing was shot down on Sakhalin. Why are these two cases not comparable to the "arts" of America and Ukraine? Because in both cases it was a provocation in violation of the USSR border. Moreover, if in the first case the American curators exposed the passengers to the blow, then there were no passengers on Sakhalin, and the appropriate flight number is KE007... Well, what kind of passengers, if of the things only handbags attached to a cable, so that the current does not carry away, and the passports of "innocent victims" are ALL TOGETHER in the cockpit?

        Therefore, we have nothing to apologize for, and Ukraine and America will not apologize. US Vice President George W. Bush in 1988 said in part: “I will never apologize for the United States of America, despite all the facts.” But NOTHING has changed ...
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 21 October 2015 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          the American curators set the passengers under attack, there were no passengers on Sakhalin, and the flight number was suitable - KE007. Well, what passengers, if out of things only handbags

          Everything is true Komrad, everything is categorically true.
          Personally, I am amused by the design that is assembled in the golondos.
          Take World Airlines Flight 800 (TWA 800) 1996 New York-Rome as an example.
          From the bottom of the hail, fragments were collected and scored on a whole plane (almost), well, pale places didn’t show of course (that the plane was hit by mattresses) but compare the design:

          And this is not a single example.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 21 October 2015 10: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            And this is not a single example.

            The time will come and may announce what the plane was struck in the sky of Donbas.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 12: 16 New
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              Quote: Papakiko
              time rides and may announce what the plane was struck in the sky of Donbas.

              The final conclusion of the Dutch Commission - "The plane performing flight MH-17 fell" and repeat this phrase on 700 pages.
              1. the villain
                the villain 21 October 2015 20: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                The final conclusion of the Dutch Commission - "The plane performing flight MH-17 fell"

                Yeah, probably because it was heavier than air.
        2. corporal
          corporal 21 October 2015 13: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          then there were no passengers on Sakhalin, and the appropriate flight number was KE007. Well, what kind of passengers, if of the things only handbags, attached to a cable, so that the current does not carry away, and the passports of "innocent victims" are ALL TOGETHER in the cockpit?

          Tie with conspiracy fool
          There were passengers there, as well as an incredible number of crabs that stuck around the debris at the bottom.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 14: 23 New
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            Quote: Corporal
            Tie with conspiracy
            There were passengers there, as well as an incredible number of crabs that stuck around the debris at the bottom.

            One can believe in conspiracy theories, or not. I once spoke out about conspiracy theories - you can’t say more precisely
            Two cows are talking.
            - You know, it seems to me that these, on two legs, feed us only in order to steal our milk, and then to kill and eat us!
            - Yes, you tie up with your stupid conspiracy theory! And then the whole flock is already laughing at you.
            Reality - it is sometimes more abruptly than any thriller the most ridiculous conspiracy theories turn out to be commonplace. Or did Kennedy kill the lone fanatic Oswald and the twin towers blow up Bin Laden? Well, then the cruiser "Maine" itself exploded and in the Gulf of Tonkin three Vietnamese torpedo boats scattered the American flotilla with an aircraft carrier at the head ... And to the heap Peskov personally snooped through the bushes with MANPADS, shot down the Malaysian "Boeing".

            Allaverdi fool

            By the way
            There were passengers there, as well as an incredible number of crabs that stuck around the debris at the bottom.
            Do crabs eat corpses with bones? I didn’t know ... And not only ours spoke about the TOTAL lack of the required number of corpses. Both the Japanese and, quite surprisingly, the Americans spoke.
    5. Meh-forester
      Meh-forester 21 October 2015 07: 02 New
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      Quote: MainBeam
      It is necessary not to apologize, but to seek and punish the perpetrators.

      At the expense of those responsible, of course, of course, it is only necessary to delegate the investigation to international organizations, to the same aviation committee, well, who should have conducted this investigation. But apologies must be REQUESTED:
      1. That the next time was "more careful when cornering"
      2. Everyone somehow forgot that on this "wave" all kinds of sanctions were imposed on us, it may already be time to make it clear to our "partners" from the EU that we would now like to get EXPLANATIONS on the fact of validity ...
      And so on and so on ... So now we just MUST demand an apology from all the countries and political figures who then accused us of UNFORMATABLE ...
      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 21 October 2015 07: 51 New
        +4
        At least as before: "TASS is authorized to declare ..."
    6. PiP
      PiP 21 October 2015 07: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: MainBeam
      West, apologize to the Russians!

      It is necessary not to apologize, but to look for and punish those responsible. Wretched and infantile. Purely European - tolerant. It is clear that they wanted to denigrate the Russian Federation and GDP personally. However, like children, they messed up, and, like, apologize. And put in the corner, and the belt on the pop? The hospital was bombed - they didn't even apologize, they said something about "collateral losses", but for Russia it was just a tribunal. So call on those to apologize, and give the food to the tribunal. Tolerasty, damn it.

      I can be mistaken, but the report on MH17 is only a report on the REASONS for the plane crash (as if another act of the play), and somewhere in the beginning of 2016 there should be another report, a criminal investigation (who, how, when and by what). So the play is not finished yet ...
      1. Meh-forester
        Meh-forester 21 October 2015 08: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: PiP
        and somewhere in the beginning of 2016 there should be another report, a criminal investigation (who, how, when, and by what).
        The question is, who is conducting this investigation? The Netherlands said that they don’t intend to return to the investigation, or am I misunderstanding something?
        1. PiP
          PiP 21 October 2015 08: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Meh-forester
          Quote: PiP
          and somewhere in the beginning of 2016 there should be another report, a criminal investigation (who, how, when, and by what).
          The question is, who is conducting this investigation? The Netherlands said that they don’t intend to return to the investigation, or am I misunderstanding something?

          Interfax / Vedomosti
          The international group of forensic investigators has not yet determined the point from which they launched the missile that shot down the Malaysian Boeing flight MH17 over Donbass, the Dutch Prosecutor General's Office said. "We are still investigating the exact location from which the rocket was launched," Wim de Brune, a spokesman for the Netherlands' Prosecutor General's Office, told Interfax.

          He denied reports that the criminal investigation into the MH17 crash would be completed before the end of this year. "This is not true, there is some misunderstanding here. The criminal investigation will continue in 2016," he stressed.

          Following the publication of the final technical report on the crash, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte urged Moscow to cooperate with the investigation. “We know what happened, but getting legal and convincing evidence against criminals is another matter. It takes time. I understand those who want quick conclusions, but the path of justice is already difficult. We must not complicate it further. "- said Rutte.

          On Wednesday, the deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency, Oleg Storchevoy, said that the Dutch commission did not use the calculations of the Russian side to determine the launch site of the Buk missile, which allegedly shot down Boeing over Donbas. "Unfortunately, the commission did not refute our calculations and did not use them in their work, this is where the area of ​​the Snezhnoye settlement came from, and we do not understand why it was inserted into the report and included as the correct calculation of the Russian Federation," Storcheva told reporters on Wednesday. According to him, representatives of the Dutch side "took out of context the data presented in the presentation of the Almaz-Antey holding. Storchevoy said that Russia would insist on resuming the investigation through ICAO.

          In the full version of the final technical report of the Dutch commission, presented on October 13, it is said, in particular, that parts of the missile were found among the wreckage of MH17, and the nature of the damage to the aircraft indicates a missile interception on a collision course (launch from Snezhnoye), and not on an intersecting course (from the area Zaroshchensky), as Almaz-Antey insists. In Snizhne (which Ukraine emphasizes) on the day of the disaster, the positions of the rebels were located

          One commission is investigating WHY the plane crashed, and the second based on the conclusions of the first WHO IS GUILTY ...
    7. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 21 October 2015 08: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: MainBeam
      It’s necessary not to apologize, but to seek and punish the perpetrators

      but the Malaysians after a visit to Moscow, it seems to me, "calmed down" with
      accusations against Russia ????
      maybe there is still some kind of "trump card" in the sleeve ????? - which has not yet been "dragged out" for general review ???
    8. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 08: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: MainBeam
      The hospital was bombed - they didn't even apologize, they said something about "collateral losses", but for Russia it was just a tribunal.

      Duc and about Hiroshima from Nagasaki, one of the American generals said: "If we had not won the war, we would have been tried as war criminals."

      It is especially touching that they simply appropriated the right to commit a crime, they wrote out a "license to kill" themselves. They perfectly understand what they are doing. But, nevertheless, they continue, because America is a country of hucksters. And the psychology of the huckster - "I snatched mine, and there is even a flood!"

      Of course, no one will run up to rattle chairs, jump up and ask for forgiveness. Hope to be forgotten. We talked - and forgot, and then wonder why in Russia they treat the West as an enemy.

      I'm not vindictive. I'm just angry and my memory is good.

      I still remember the Indians ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 October 2015 08: 42 New
        +1
        “So maybe these media, accusing Russia and its president of shooting down the MH-17, would like to stand up and apologize?”

        It is easier for these media to “get up and fail” out of shame towards Russia than to apologize. Yes, that's bad luck: and they have no shame to blush before us. The wolf does not feel sorry for the lamb when it eats - and the Western media, like a flock of vultures, do not miss an opportunity to pounce on Russia.
        Wait for an apology from them - do not respect yourself. On the contrary, one must go on the offensive and blame them for this disaster.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 21 October 2015 19: 01 New
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          Duck wolf does not lie! He wants to eat and, if possible, eats. And these jackals themselves are trying to introduce themselves as lambs.
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    9. just exp
      just exp 21 October 2015 08: 50 New
      +2
      Yes, to sue and knock money from them, for them this is the worst.
    10. marlin1203
      marlin1203 21 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +1
      Well, you must! See the light! And earlier, following the ancient principle "who benefits from it?" it was hard to guess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that this plane crash was unprofitable for us like anyone else. So we could not substitute for sure. Moreover, for good reason, it was necessary to introduce a no-fly zone over the Donbas by our aviation, so that such a provocation did not happen. But it has already happened and we are proving that we are "not a camel".
    11. bornikrub
      bornikrub 21 October 2015 09: 38 New
      +1
      Real punishments began:
      Neither the pilot nor the dispatcher can be found.
    12. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 21 October 2015 09: 44 New
      +1
      What a fucking apology! Only bouquets of "gayevropoid" flowers on tank armor, like in 1945! "Yanks" recall how in May of the same year one of our units, on the unofficial order of V.I. Chuikova, immediately crossed the Elbe and drove the would-be warrior 30 km deep into German territory!
    13. Will
      Will 21 October 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness. Dreams are gone, muck remains." We will not dream, but we will live so that others would dream of such a life. For example, we will dream of love and live for it.) Maybe this will help someone stop loving dollars?) Oh, dreams! (
    14. papas-57
      papas-57 21 October 2015 14: 12 New
      0
      "West, ask the Russians for forgiveness." Yes, you have to answer for the market. By the way, why won't the Russian government itself sue some of the largest media outlets for libel and recover large sums for moral damage?
    15. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 October 2015 20: 01 New
      +1
      An apology should be offered to everyone who lied about the Boeing disaster in Ukraine last July.

      And this is an irrefutable fact! Liars need to be called to otet am This is very important in conditions of information war.
    16. Maxom75
      Maxom75 22 October 2015 00: 49 New
      0
      No one was considering the option of I-beams found in the bodies of pilots. I am not an expert, but I would not rule out the possibility that the warhead really carried part of the I-beam elements, but judging by the state they were used a second time. Most likely the Ukrainians were partly fired by the I-beams, but there was no certainty that the defeat would happen on a regular basis, so they made a hodgepodge. the Americans apparently promised to conduct the investigation as it should, but the bummer came out, the Dutch could not drag the ears of the facts, and the Russians were not stupid and showed everything. Now it will be harder to lie.
    17. Foresterer
      Foresterer 22 October 2015 06: 45 New
      0
      Come and subscribe!

      State Duma of the Russian Federation: Initiate a tribunal regarding the bombing of a hospital in Kunduz.

      https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Gosudarstvennaya_Duma_Rossiyskoy_Federacii_
      Iniiciirovat_tribunal_v_otnoshenii_bombyozhki_gospitalya_v_Kunduze

      Copy, go and vote. With 5000 votes, Avaaz will send a petition to the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
  2. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 21 October 2015 06: 07 New
    +3
    An article by international journalist Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey (Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey) has been published in the English version of the site Pravda.ru. In the very first paragraph, the author suggested that the media accused Russia and its president of "standing up and apologizing."

    The offer is sensible. good
    Only they are unlikely to want to implement it.
  3. Goga101
    Goga101 21 October 2015 06: 10 New
    +6
    Interestingly, this site - Pravda.ru - is someone reading over the hill?
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 21 October 2015 07: 09 New
      +8
      "Truth" actually is not, but they read "Russia Beyond the Headlines" - This is the international publishing project of the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, which includes monthly informational applications about Russia in foreign languages ​​within the world's leading media.

      The goal of the project is to expand the Russian informational presence in foreign media, including to provide a foreign audience with the opportunity to regularly get acquainted with the detailed opinions and comments of Russian experts on pressing international and Russian issues covered by leading foreign media. The project aims to increase global awareness of events in Russia with the help of the most complete and objective information. Russia Beyond The Headlines works on all platforms: print, online and mobile.

      In Bulgaria, “Komsomolskaya Pravda” is published in Bulgarian, but we are a special case.
    2. thinker
      thinker 21 October 2015 16: 20 New
      +1
      As I understand it, not enough. Our site has almost 33 thousand a day. hi
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 October 2015 20: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Goga101
      Interestingly, this site - Pravda.ru - is someone reading over the hill?

      If he is represented there in English and if he is not blocked there ..
  4. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 06: 10 New
    +5
    Scenarios break down. The Western world, this world of victorious Satanism is bursting at the seams, rapidly impoverished and degrading more rapidly every day.
  5. Igor39
    Igor39 21 October 2015 06: 10 New
    +3
    The hypocritical West was simply sure that they would blame Russia, and here it was such a turn, so they still blame it by inertia so as not to look like idiots.
  6. venaya
    venaya 21 October 2015 06: 12 New
    +5
    the long-awaited report on the crash on board the MH-17 did not give a single evidence that would allow "convict" the Russian Federation or President Putin

    Guys, it was clear to absolutely everyone sane enough. Even on international calls, Dutch airline workers spoke directly, without fear, of unprecedented, simply inconceivable pressure on the Dutch commission. Here further and there is nothing more to say, too much.
    1. 97110
      97110 21 October 2015 09: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      Here further and there is nothing more to say, too much.

      So they hope that we will not speak, because it is "unnecessary". And they will publish this ... Akhedzhakova and others ... as loudly as possible. And Russia will wash itself again. We must speak. Officials are officials. But with them it is not only and not only the official speak and write. Maybe start with the Ukrainian talkers, who endlessly play Vanka on our TV. They have words for which the language is supposed to be shortened. And they were told on TV, that is, both the recording and the witnesses are available. I suspect there are no volunteers. Because people who are not very interested in acquiring the image of a "fighter for truth" operate with the norms of law. After all, you can lose your earnings.
      1. venaya
        venaya 21 October 2015 09: 41 New
        0
        Quote: 97110
        Maybe start with Ukrainian talkers, who endlessly "play Vanka" on our TV

        Oh, it would be our television ... We would not let these idiots in Ukraine, as well as in the Russian Federation, are full of completely sane people, only now their road is rolled up in any media, they suddenly tell the truth, and this is scary. They only let the proven ones, who will definitely not blurt out too much. "You can, after all, lose earnings"- practice shows that you can lose everything, not only earnings, but also something more significant, everything is thought out here, rich experience is present.
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  8. bocsman
    bocsman 21 October 2015 06: 14 New
    +9
    And concludes: The West has no future. The West no longer has media, only propaganda sources and apologists of US state crimes remain. Every day, paid and dependent media support the “matrix”, turning the Western peoples into a politically impotent flock.
    Very correct conclusion! It’s evident that the peasant was sick. It's a shame to watch people turn into a herd of sheep!
  9. Federal
    Federal 21 October 2015 06: 14 New
    27
    According to Mr. Poroshenko, Moscow is absolutely irresponsible in Ukraine and Syria, and soon, it will probably invade Afghanistan. “First Crimea, then Donbass, now Syria. Perhaps the next country, I don’t know, will be Afghanistan, ”he cites“ Lenta ”.

    He cannot survive this miracle, that ordinary miners, taxi drivers, employees and hairdressers fought against his ATO of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the LPNR. And when I looked on the news how our Aerospace Forces were cutting ISIS in Syria, I imagined this chocolate miracle that it fought against the regular Russian army, and saved Europe from Russian aggression.
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 21 October 2015 06: 15 New
    +1
    I agree with previous comrades - no one will change anything in the situation, they will hide their heads in the sand. Article - the necessary information. Thank you.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2015 06: 15 New
    +6
    to apologize, these media must have firmness, morality and character... They don’t have that ..
    1. venaya
      venaya 21 October 2015 06: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      ... media should have firmness, morality and character ...

      And how and on what, in this case they will earn money?
      The media do not work on behalf of the Lord God, but on behalf of financial institutions - that is, on the devil.
  12. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 21 October 2015 06: 17 New
    +4
    Everything in the article is, in principle, everything is correct, BUT ... our "pantners" are also my binomial Newton, they did not answer for the broomstick in life, let us remember Iraq, Yugoslavia, Korea, there are no examples. Well, the fact that the salo-eaters, due to congenital handjobs and stupidity, have ruined the Central Administration of the Fashington Regional Committee, this is an indisputable fact. And what is most interesting, they will squeeze this topic, and the so-called "worldly" public will not dare to yap. Which, in principle, was required to be proved ...
  13. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 October 2015 06: 22 New
    +5
    Families and loved ones who died in the disaster should demand explanations those who are cynical used terrible tragedy, played on the mountain of relatives to Create Another scary picture about Russia.

    This is not a tragedy, but a provocation - a cynical murder for selfish purposes.
    They must and can demand to punish the guilty and judge the provocateurs.
  14. MARGADON
    MARGADON 21 October 2015 06: 23 New
    +4
    It seems to me that we, unfortunately, will never find out the truth. As from September 11, the Americans will do everything for the truth not to emerge.
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 21 October 2015 09: 49 New
      +2
      And they know how to do it - the murder of Kennedy is still a mystery!
  15. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 21 October 2015 06: 25 New
    +9
    What the hell are they talking about? On the first day, everything was clear. They killed 298 souls, premature babies, and now they are trying to jump off, premature dill. What kind of bolt do we tolerate them? And while working in Russia, they start yelling: "Who proved it?" Look, home, to the base, you are not our brothers. Only the Russian mother's tits suck a lot. Ugh. And we have enough fat of our own.
    1. anip
      anip 21 October 2015 06: 44 New
      0
      Quote: iliitch
      And while working in Russia, they start yelling: "Who proved it?" Look, home, to the base, you are not our brothers. Only the Russian mother's tit will suck a lot. Ugh.

      So if we have a slightly better attitude to newcomer Ukrainians than to Russians, so what do you want?
    2. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 21 October 2015 10: 20 New
      +1
      Now is the time for a military overthrow of the ukrokhunta ... a volley of calibers for persuasiveness and assault in Kiev ... followed by an indicative tribunal ... and shit on their squeals ... no one will scoop on us .. let there be no respect for us but then there will be fear of us ... and this is the best guarantee in our relations with the West for a quiet life in our state. And if we continue to crawl in front of these non-humans, we will ultimately be killed
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  16. Wolka
    Wolka 21 October 2015 06: 26 New
    +1
    it is naive to think that the West will apologize to Russia for slandering the Boeing MN-17, and this is not the first time ...
    1. anip
      anip 21 October 2015 06: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      it is naive to think that the West will apologize to Russia for slandering the Boeing MN-17, and this is not the first time ...

      As long as the rulers of the Russian Federation will, as always, release everything on the brakes, we will never hear any apologies. And in the memory of the Western human masses will remain the previous cries of the Western media that "Russia shot down a Boeing."
  17. Felix1
    Felix1 21 October 2015 06: 28 New
    -13
    Since when is the editor of the Portuguese-language version of Pravda.ru. did this Timothy become a famous journalist?
  18. vfqjh
    vfqjh 21 October 2015 06: 39 New
    -1
    They do not have enough to apologize, weaklings!
  19. Mitrich76
    Mitrich76 21 October 2015 06: 42 New
    +3
    No one will wait for an apology. Neither Russia nor the relatives of the victims. To apologize is to admit guilt, at least in slander and hasty, unconfirmed statements. But in this case, you will have to explain your position, and in this case there was no mistake, but a provocation, hastily composed in Washington and hand-made by dillies. Europe was given the role of a choir, Malaysia was simply sent so as not to interfere with the performance.
    And who dares to voice that people were killed only to get a reason to blame Russia?
    Although hearing about an apology from the west is a good sign. Not all of Europe has grown.
  20. Combitor
    Combitor 21 October 2015 06: 47 New
    +8
    In my opinion, the most reasonable thing would be to close the Russian offices of foreign media outlets that slandered Russia, and their employees should be deprived of accreditation and expelled from Russia (Russians who worked in these media should be deprived of their citizenship and there, over the hill), after putting everyone in the "black list "to permanently deprive the opportunity to cross the Russian border. By the way, some Russian media also took an openly pro-Western position on the "Boeing" issue and poured streams of lies on our country. They also go there, to the heap.
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 21 October 2015 08: 25 New
      +1
      But for me it’s not worth it. Now the situation is different. People begin to think with their heads. And such anti-Russian rhetoric only causes more patriotic feelings among our people. Although I could be wrong. But all kinds of NGOs need to be closed, these are exactly the enemies of our state.
  21. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 21 October 2015 06: 47 New
    +2
    I want to give my dog ​​a new nickname - Petya: he barks a lot out of business, asks for something forever, and when he breaks something or breaks something, he barks at the cat
    1. Felix1
      Felix1 21 October 2015 06: 54 New
      -1
      they say the dogs are similar to their owners, and I didn’t come up with it. no offense, of course a joke.
      1. kizhe
        kizhe 21 October 2015 10: 19 New
        0
        Unlike cats, dogs do not betray. Not a joke, of course.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 21 October 2015 19: 29 New
          +1
          You have set the minuses for cats. I didn’t bet, but I want to intercede. I have always had large dogs and cats. They were always friends and stood up for other people's animals for each other. cats are no worse than dogs, just a little secretive. And dogs ... Heart vile dog-slander! Dogs have purity and love and loyalty to the end in their hearts. many people would have similar hearts! love
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 21 October 2015 19: 23 New
      +1
      Oh please don't do this! There are many good, worthy to sing in the country! Name the dog Roshen! love
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  22. Felix1
    Felix1 21 October 2015 06: 50 New
    -1
    By the way, who is interested in the real course of the investigation, then read the same Dutch or Australian media. The Guardian published an interesting article on Boeing last week. just does not bother to get acquainted with alternative sources
  23. horoh
    horoh 21 October 2015 06: 51 New
    0
    Yes, what an apology, only the strong, not the cowardly, can apologize for not being right.
  24. kind
    kind 21 October 2015 06: 52 New
    0
    Europeans do not have self-identification, everything is built on money. The United States and Europe will collapse, the beginning of the collapse was in Yugoslavia. Who is next?
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 October 2015 06: 53 New
    0
    Any sane person familiar with the technology, on the very first day, it was clear that dill out of fright shot down the Boeing, confusing it with the mythical Russian fighters, which (according to inadequate specialists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) landed all the Ukrop military aircraft. Otherwise, the introduction of air defense units into the battle zone cannot be explained. Where did the militias get their aviation? It's just that the myth about the attack of the Russian army on the "square" had to be supported by playing the role of a victim. So we finished playing. Because if this is not bungling, but a deliberate provocation, the ends will be hidden and cleaned purposefully, ahead of time. But how then did the organizers burst (the CIA, of course) - they did not know that the Buku Buku was not the same, and the old-style Ukrop beeches left other striking elements! That's because - professionalism has fallen "below the plinth."
  26. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 21 October 2015 06: 58 New
    0
    Russia needs to write a statement to the international court for slander and insult to itself from the part of many and all of them to mention in this statement. Let them try to get out.
  27. Baloo
    Baloo 21 October 2015 07: 00 New
    24
    I correctly understand that the bodies of the crew members are identified and damaging elements were found in their bodies, but they do not belong to air-to-air missiles? And can it be fragments from an aircraft cannon shell?
    Apologies liars should ask relatives of the deceased. Russia will not accept the apology of insects.
  28. fa2998
    fa2998 21 October 2015 07: 04 New
    +1
    Firstly, the absence of evidence of Russia's participation in the tragedy is VERY LITTLE! There will still be speculations. When all suspicions are removed from Russia, this is when the real culprits of the tragedy are found! And before that is still a long time to wait. All-round support of the West to Kiev - "Kiev is always right "- they are slowing down investigations. I think we will find out the true culprits after the collapse of the Kiev junta! hi
  29. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 21 October 2015 07: 16 New
    0
    again in-Ukraine zrada)))))) and all the quilted jackets are to blame!)))))
  30. 1536
    1536 21 October 2015 07: 21 New
    +4
    The accusers have already rained down. Recently the Australian "strict interrogator" was kicked out of the prime ministers, and yesterday it was reported that the Canadian "non-handshakeer" followed after him. So things are going on on the sly.
  31. sledge
    sledge 21 October 2015 07: 21 New
    +2
    The problem is that even if Russia is not to blame, it is still GUILTY! So far, the organizers of all this muck have not declared us innocent.
  32. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 21 October 2015 07: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: anip
    Quote: iliitch
    And while working in Russia, they start yelling: "Who proved it?" Look, home, to the base, you are not our brothers. Only the Russian mother's tit will suck a lot. Ugh.

    So if we have a slightly better attitude to newcomer Ukrainians than to Russians, so what do you want?


    I wrote about kaklov, not Donbass. This is a separate topic, Donetsk-Lugansk. We will not surrender people. I don’t believe, we will eat less, but we will not surrender. Still, a difference in mentality has appeared, I agree. And my wife tensed when the refugees appeared. And about the Russians - so even under the tsars they said: "Maxim died, and ... with him, the drowning is not a flood, and I can still remember sayings from the heels. The Russians (I emphasize!) Are a" city-forming "nation for the world, hooligans like We will calm down the Americans, and all the Red Guards, too. It's time for us to go to Mars, and we (humanity) are doing stupid things. Ukraine? And what? We decide the question.
    1. yugan
      yugan 24 October 2015 04: 13 New
      0
      In general, the situation with Ukrainian and Novorossiysk refugees, for example, somewhat annoys me. Already often I meet taxi drivers who come from there. I, as a person in the past military, the question arises - what the x ... and healthy peasants are doing here, when all sorts of horseradish your house and land? I understand the desire to shelter a family, etc. - this is understandable and not subject to discussion, but ... why didn’t they leave to defend their home? It doesn't fit in my head. And often you are faced with the fact that refugees from there consider us (Russia) to be their due forever and ever. Rave!
  33. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 21 October 2015 07: 32 New
    +2
    I'm under the table. Apologize?

    The crash of the Iranian A300 over the Persian Gulf in 1988 (groundlessly and provocatively shot down by an Amer rocket).

    Reagan called the actions of the Vincennes crew a defensible defense, emphasizing that the US did not consider itself guilty of what had happened, and blamed the Iranian government.

    George W. Bush said: "I will never apologize for the United States of America, in spite of any facts»

    What kind of "apologies"? am
  34. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 21 October 2015 07: 38 New
    +1
    I feel that now there are so many shit on this journalist! It is a pity that there are not many of these in the West. And I support the opinion that it is necessary to expel from Russia representatives of the media conducting subversive activities against the country through discrediting and outright lies.
    Something else in other "democratic" countries do not hesitate to send our journalists or not to let them across the border. Well, if so - get a fascist grenade, less Western media on the territory of Russia - cleaner air.
  35. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 21 October 2015 07: 56 New
    +1
    .. I don’t know what is there to rejoice and what is not ..
  36. Military Builder
    Military Builder 21 October 2015 08: 09 New
    0
    And concludes: The West has no future. The West no longer has media, only propaganda sources and apologists of US state crimes remain. Every day, paid and dependent media support the “matrix”, turning the Western peoples into a politically impotent flock.


    well said
  37. Oladushkin
    Oladushkin 21 October 2015 08: 17 New
    +3
    An interesting fact is that, for example, in Malaysia, Ukraine is perceived as a state in which state decisions can be made - to close the sky, to conduct military operations. And therefore, ordinary citizens of Malaysia or Holland conclude, it is quite legally justified to put forward lawsuits against it. Aha, schaz! I'll take it straight and pay. After all, Ukraine, in fact, has long been a Walk-Pole, in which they kill for a pair of boots, as during the Civil War. And this Ukraine will pay something? "and from a dead donkey ears" - as the classics said. They can get at least a thousand court decisions, they can't see their relatives.
    By the way, it’s interesting that in this situation, as I understood, Holland and his comrades in general, Malaysia simply held for a sucker and generally ignored any of their requests ...
  38. 70BSN
    70BSN 21 October 2015 08: 21 New
    +1
    I can’t understand one thing, why not release the information in the BLACK BOX ........ what
    1. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 21 October 2015 15: 02 New
      0
      because, to the great regret of the democrats, the militia found and delivered them safe and sound, now they’re breaking their heads how to make the information on the media urgently go into disrepair like a sudden fire and ends in water
  39. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 21 October 2015 08: 24 New
    0
    My responsibility is to implement reforms in the country so that Ukraine becomes a member of NATO. I think it will take five to six years, ”said Poroshenko.
    Killers don't live that much negative
  40. Das Boot
    Das Boot 21 October 2015 08: 24 New
    +9
    Neighing ingenuity in part drove:
    1. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 21 October 2015 15: 04 New
      +4
      But how do you like this screen before the tragedy with the Boeing 777
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 21 October 2015 17: 00 New
        0
        .... the plane was, the bus was, the next .... train! (or ship) bully
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 21 October 2015 19: 36 New
          0
          Arson of the Rada!
  41. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 October 2015 08: 57 New
    +2
    Naturally, there will not be any apologies. This provocation played a role - sanctions were passed, Russia was exposed by the aggressor and the flayer. And now even though the grass does not grow. Americans raped with this all or almost everything that they planned.
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 21 October 2015 10: 09 New
      0
      And this is how our authorities behave. If they continue to lick opera to the west, there will be no apology.
      So calling to account for intentional slander is not a trick. It would be a desire and a will. And the fifth column zealously diligently.
      I wonder - why can’t they be sent to hard labor?

      As I understand it, Stalin’s actions before the war! Great HUMAN! There are not so many militant liberalists in the country. Nobody will notice their utilization, except for the West, but it is not their business, whom we will be writhing here.
      1. win
        win 21 October 2015 10: 20 New
        +3
        I wonder - why can’t they be sent to hard labor?

        And the fifth column zealously diligently.

        They themselves are sent to hard labor. Remember Kvachkova, whom Chubais planted ...
  42. tor978
    tor978 21 October 2015 09: 04 New
    0
    Ukraine will not apologize, and even more so to pay. By the way, they still didn’t apologize for the Russia-Israel plane, and especially did not admit that they shot down this plane. And the west, with their double standards, is generally a slop pit that says one thing in the face, and behind the back they do it as they want.
  43. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 21 October 2015 09: 08 New
    -1
    Do you really think that Western audiences read Pravda.ru? Or do you really believe that the West will apologize and sprinkle ashes on its own head over groundless accusations against Russia? Apparently, many people in our country naively want to believe this, especially for them this "authoritative" Author wrote this opus. A cheap propaganda article for domestic consumption. Who has not yet understood, I will disappoint: the West has long recognized Russia as guilty, and no investigation of the situation will change the situation. this conclusion is not based on facts, but on the same propaganda, only Western. The verdict is final and not subject to appeal. Well, it remains for us to "understand and forgive" and, in this example, try to be a little smarter ourselves and distinguish between facts and propaganda chatter.
  44. nizrum
    nizrum 21 October 2015 09: 10 New
    +2
    On the English version of the site Pravda.ru


    You can not read further, this is the opinion of the pro-Russian, for the pro-Russian. Unfortunately, this will not change public opinion ((
  45. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 21 October 2015 09: 46 New
    +1
    Operation "Catastrophe" was developed in detail by the CIA using the air defense of the Armed Forces. But an unforeseen temporary failure did not allow the Boeing to fall on the territory of the Rostov region (2 minutes were not enough).
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    2. win
      win 21 October 2015 10: 11 New
      +2
      Operation "Catastrophe" was developed in detail by the CIA using the air defense of the Armed Forces. But an unforeseen temporary failure did not allow the Boeing to fall on the territory of the Rostov region (2 minutes were not enough).

      I offered a similar version earlier on another branch. But I was bombarded ...
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 21 October 2015 10: 29 New
        +1
        And they did it right. Rava, you don’t understand that if the wreckage of the plane fell on the territory of Russia, then our country would investigate the disaster, and then unnecessary facts and inconsistencies could emerge. So the plane crashed where necessary.
  46. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 21 October 2015 09: 48 New
    0
    Potroshenko and his prompter, the so-called Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obamka to The Hague (there they will be acquitted and given to both of them after the next portion of silver coins), and better Nuremberg - 2 or Moscow-1 (and judged by the Magistrate's Court of Nations), so that they would not forget partners "all over the world, who drove the bloody beast into the grave once in 45, will drive the second.
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  49. win
    win 21 October 2015 09: 53 New
    +2
    The Russian government would never have allowed such a thing, the publicist said. Washington’s “story” about the plane made no sense. “Only an idiot could believe in her,” Roberts writes.

    Oh, how many IDIOTS bred in the West. A whole "golden billion" ...
  50. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 21 October 2015 10: 06 New
    +1
    Will everyone apologize? But what about the sanctions? I remember them and entered after this Boeing ...