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Earth risks of air snipers

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30 September on the tapes of news agencies the message appeared: "Russia launched an air operation in Syria." We will immediately correct it: from the point of view of military science, an air operation is the lot of a purely operational association of the Air Force, namely the air army. In Russia, such associations disappeared in the second half of the 90s. Therefore, there is no one else to conduct air operations. The Aviation Regiment (namely, the Aviation Group of the Russian Air Force at the Khmeymim air base corresponds to it) is clearly not up to the task. “Fighting actions” can only correctly describe the activity of the Russian air group in appropriate terms.


Actually, we will formulate all further remarks and suggestions from the point of view of military science in general and the author as an officer-operator of the headquarters in particular. We will group all this in the form of brief theses.

1. Protection and defense of the airfield Khmeimim.


“Minami from a 120-mm mortar-cheap mortar planes worth 50 million euros are easily incapacitated”
According to reports, the protection is carried out by the units of the Marine Corps of the Russian Navy. As the means of air defense are used ZRPK "Armor" and ZRK "Thor".

Let us recall how the protection and defense of airfields was organized earlier, in particular, in Afghanistan (only this experience really fits the Khmeimim airbase). At first, there were a lot of bumps there too. And only in 1981, the protection of facilities and communications in Afghanistan began to develop into a fairly harmonious system. At the insistence of the Soviet military-political leadership, in order to ensure security and public order, to prevent and suppress hostile actions of the opposition forces, by the decision of the Afghan leadership, so-called 15-kilometer security zones were created around important administrative centers, airfields, power plants, tunnels. In these zones, a special order of life and activity of the population has been established. All males from 13 years of age and older who permanently resided in this territory had to register with the Afghan Ministry of Internal Affairs and receive an appropriate document, which everyone must always have with him (before that, the Afghan population did not have any documents). It was possible to hold events in the zone related to the gathering of a large number of people in one place (weddings, funerals, etc.) only after agreement with the local authorities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Any movement of people inside the zone after 23:XNUMX was prohibited. Arrival in and departure from the zone was allowed only through checkpoints with obligatory registration of people and goods. There were also other restrictions aimed at preventing the penetration of units and opposition groups into the zone. Internal security of airfield facilities was organized by commanders aviation units that assigned guards for the direct protection and defense of barracks, warehouses, aircraft parking, etc. Wire barriers and signal minefields were created along the perimeter of the airfield and around its facilities. Dangerous approaches were covered by battle minefields.

Earth risks of air snipers


Defense restricted area of ​​the airfield (option)

Anti-aircraft guns (most of them were ZSU-23-4, ZU-23, ZPU), in addition to covering the airfield from the air, they were preparing to defeat and ground enemy. The security and defense system that existed at that time did not fully ensure its reliability, as a result of which the airfields of Kandahar and Jalalabad were systematically fired upon by the enemy. Transport aircraft that landed at Bagram, Shindand and Faizabad airfields were attacked.

In the first half of 1983 alone, three Su-17 airplanes, nine Mi-24 helicopters, four Mi-8 air forces of the Air Force and an Afghan helicopter were damaged on the ground by rebel airfields Jalalabad and Kandahar. There were damage to the controls and flight support, injured personnel.

Opponent changed the ways of firing airfields, used for this purpose vehicles and other means. However, the security units of the 40 Army reacted poorly to these changes, mobile teams on armored vehicles were not created, and interaction with helicopters that were on duty at the airfields was not organized.

So, on June 3, 1984, mortar shells fired at the location of the control of the 108th Moscow Road and the firing position of the artillery battery defending the Bagram airfield. Located 400 meters from the enemy’s firing mortar, a post with a tank not only did not try to destroy him, but did not even notice him.

Verification of the protection of airfields in 1984 showed that in many cases they were not provided with protection against mortar fire. The entire security system was built on the fact that the enemy would use fire from rifle weaponswhile he went on to mortar shelling of objects.

Despite the measures taken, even by 1985, when the airfield security system was finalized, it was not possible to completely eliminate the shelling, which continued until the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. This is explained not only by the periodic (through 1,5 – 2) replacement of the personnel of the security units, but also by the inability to ensure the closure of the area of ​​responsibility from the penetration of the rebels, since the difficult terrain and the presence of a large number of villages in the area did not allow it.

There were problems with the protection and defense of the US Air Force on the territory of Afghanistan. In particular, in September, a Camp-bastion military base in the Afghan province of Helmand was attacked by a Taliban on 2012. The attackers, armed with machine guns and grenade launchers, were wearing uniforms of the US military, they were wearing suicide bomber vests. Militants attacked airplanes and helicopters standing on the runway of the airfield, hangars and other structures of a military facility. As a result of the attack, six AV-8B Harrier fighters were damaged and two more were damaged. Three refueling stations, six light hangars for aircraft were heavily damaged.

Has the existing experience been fully taken into account in the organization of the protection and defense of the Khmeimim airbase? Let's hope that is the way it is. But doubts still remain.

2. Engineering equipment of the Khmeimim airbase.


It looks like it is absent as such at this air base. The aircraft are located wing to wing in open parking. And according to science, each squadron must be located in its own area of ​​dispersal. In addition, each aircraft is located in a sheltered shelter, and even better - in the arched structure. There is no certainty that stocks of aviation weapons and fuel are at least in sheltered shelters. Not protected from automatic machine-gun fire and fragments of mines and artillery shells quartering of flight and technical staff.

The consequences of this may be the most disastrous. Urban development (private households) almost closely approach the runway and MRD of the Khmeimim airbase. As a result of the penetration into the vicinity of the airfield of enemy sabotage groups, the Hmeimim airbase can easily be subjected to a sudden raid. Minami from a penny-priced 120-mm mortar planes worth 50 million euros are easily incapacitated. And effective repair in the conditions of Hmeimim is a very problematic matter. And it is hardly possible. Fire raids are fairly easy to organize from a distance of 20 – 30 kilometers from the air base by salvoes from the MLRS. Finally, the attack on the airfield can be carried out using tactical missile systems.

One such blow - and the combat work of the Russian air group is essentially over. Therefore, to dig into the ground in order to minimize the possible damage just immediately. Let us hope that to a large extent this has already been done and the corresponding engineering structures of the airbase simply did not fall into the chronicle frames.

3. Combat voltage.


The Russian air group in Hmeimime flew around 30 for the period from September 3 to October 60. Is it a lot or a little? For comparison: in the 1991 year, during Operation Storm in the Desert, the MNF aircraft performed more than four thousand sorties in the first two days. During the air campaign in Yugoslavia, aviation of the United States and other NATO countries flew more than a thousand sorties a day. It is unlikely that 8 – 20 departures per day will cause shock and awe in the armed groups of ISIS. By the way, during the “Storm in the Desert”, the MNS aircraft (which is more than 2300 combat aircraft) made about 38 thousands of sorties, including about 1700 strategic sorties, about 27 000 tactical and more 6000 deck aircraft. If the Russian air group will make even 20 flights a day, then it will reach this level in about five years.

For reference. In Soviet times, the domestic Air Force had two operational armies of the Supreme Command (24-nd VA Supreme Command (OH) - Vinnytsia, 4-nd VA Supreme Command (OH) - Legnica) on the Su-24 bombers. These two armies would have bombed ISIS to atoms in a week.

4. Intelligence data.


Earlier it was reported that data on the deployment of military facilities ISIS provide (including) and the armed forces of Syria. And supposedly this data is the most accurate. Such information should be treated with maximum caution and at least two times to be rechecked. The Syrian comrades are objectively interested in Moscow’s plunge into this conflict as deeply as possible.

5. Allies.


So far there are two coalitions - the “right” (Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq) and the “wrong” (the United States and allied states). It seems that no unification of efforts and close interaction between them is expected. No one was quick to sign up for the Baghdad Information Center. Moreover, a number of influential countries in the region spoke out against Russia's actions in Syria. And this means, in the best case, only one thing - Moscow will have to fight alone in the foreseeable future.

6. And where is the Syrian offensive?


It was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad would go into a decisive counterattack and would liberate native cities and lands. However, it has not yet passed. It is possible that the Syrian army will remain in the original positions. Armed forces of Assad were exhausted during the previous four years of the civil war in Syria. The mobilization reserves of the Alawites are almost exhausted to the bottom. Replenishment wait almost nowhere. And the upcoming street battles in the conditions of dense urban development are fraught for Bashar al-Assad's army with substantial losses in manpower and equipment. Among other things, this army has never won anywhere in the last 50 years. And the sad spirit of ever broken invisibly hovers over the battalions of Bashar al-Assad. Whether this army will win in the upcoming battles is an open question.

And how much more Russian aircraft need to bomb the terrorists, so that Bashar Assad has gathered his strength and started to win, it is also unclear.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 October 2015 05: 29 New
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    And how much more Russian aircraft need to bomb the terrorists, so that Bashar Assad has gathered his strength and started to win, it is also unclear.
    Well already gone ahead. Together with Kurdish troops trying to gain a foothold along the Syrian-Turkish border.
    1. Shick
      Shick 9 October 2015 07: 30 New
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      the main thing is that the result is, otherwise we get a second Afghan ..
    2. Nick
      Nick 9 October 2015 10: 34 New
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      Quote: svp67
      And how much more Russian aircraft need to bomb the terrorists, so that Bashar Assad has gathered his strength and started to win, it is also unclear.
      Well already gone ahead. Together with Kurdish troops trying to gain a foothold along the Syrian-Turkish border.

      The article is designed to create in people uncertainty about the correctness of Russia's position on the Syrian issue, and its participation in the Syrian affairs of IMHO.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 9 October 2015 13: 18 New
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        Quote: Nick
        The article is designed to create in people uncertainty about the correctness of Russia's position on the Syrian issue, and its participation in the Syrian affairs of IMHO.

        And still I will try to challenge)). The article describes the mistakes made in Afghanistan with the same (in fact) opponent. And it feels that the author is worried: well, where is the offensive, where ?!
        I think you are mistaken regarding the author’s intentions)).
        1. Conn
          Conn 9 October 2015 14: 21 New
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          The offensive of the Syrian army is already the third day - wake up, survivors!
      2. iConst
        iConst 9 October 2015 13: 51 New
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        Quote: Nick
        The article is designed to create in people uncertainty about the correctness of Russia's position on the Syrian issue, and its participation in the Syrian affairs of IMHO.

        Yes, no - normal questions are being raised. Another thing - is it so bad?

        About the number of sorties - on the one hand, yes, they fly much more, on the other - efficiency.

        The Americans are very safe and it is easier for them to drop bombs in an empty place or 10 times the required amount, so as not to lose their composition during stripping.

        I remember a mockingbird movie with Charlie Sheen, where the Air Force assignment in Iraq is given: The main goals are the nuclear power plant and the palace of Saddam, but if it is impossible, then we strike at the spare ones - the pantomime theater and the accordion factory (nonetheless - a civilian hospital).
      3. onega67
        onega67 9 October 2015 14: 04 New
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        The article is written competently! and in order to avoid losses, and not create uncertainty !!!!
      4. Conn
        Conn 9 October 2015 14: 19 New
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        Absolutely true, reminds of Ashton Carter's threats about forthcoming "losses", and the unnamed author is very similar in style to the notorious military oracle of the Old Garbage Newspaper Felgenhauer.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 October 2015 05: 39 New
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    According to reports, the protection is carried out by naval units of the Russian Navy. As air defense systems are used SAM "Shell" and SAM "Tor"


    There is no author of the article, but it does not provide full coverage of cases.
    It is not indicated in the article (intentionally or unknowingly - unknown) that the bases are guarded around the clock by electronic warfare equipment, perimeter security by helicopters, and UAVs. Also other modern means - thermal imagers, tracking stations for both people and equipment. A constant picture of what is happening around the bases "hangs" from the satellites.
    And presumably, this is not the whole list of funds.
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 9 October 2015 12: 25 New
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      The author of the article is Khodaryonok. At the bottom of the article, the link is red. Someone called him a fucking analyst. Why are there so many minuses? Ali didn’t hit the stream? Then don’t give a damn praise.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 9 October 2015 13: 10 New
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        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        Then someone called him a fucking analyst.

        Couch analyst, analyzing by the standards of the 80s of the last century, having superficial concepts about modern techniques. IMHO!
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 October 2015 14: 11 New
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          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          Then someone called him a fucking analyst.

          Couch analyst, analyzing by the standards of the 80s of the last century, having superficial concepts about modern techniques. IMHO!

          It’s here we are couch analysts, and the author of the article M. Khodarenok served in 1998-2000. - the head of group 1 of line 1 of the Directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff.
          The article was published yesterday, written the day before yesterday, when there was no offensive by the Syrian army. request
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 9 October 2015 13: 53 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      A constant picture of what is happening around the bases "hangs" from the satellites.


      No one will launch and suspend a geostationary for the sake of Syria. Consequently, the satellites do not "hang" over the airfield, but pass periodically, it is good if every 6-8 hours, and maybe less often. Don't compare our satellite constellation with the American one ...
      1. Conn
        Conn 9 October 2015 14: 26 New
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        Not for the sake of "crap" Syria, but for the sake of our Russian soldiers and officers, good gentleman!
        If you like the Yankees, so blow them - you get a hamburger!
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. mervino2007
        mervino2007 9 October 2015 19: 00 New
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        Quote: psiho117
        No one will launch and suspend a geostationary for the sake of the Syrian congeners.

        It's not about the satellite, but about the "picture". And she hangs in the headquarters, on the monitor. Picture - a map of the area with an indication of the identified target objects.
  3. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 9 October 2015 05: 50 New
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    If only "the donkey laden with gold" is not allowed .. And the author raises the correct questions.
    1. CARLSON
      CARLSON 9 October 2015 06: 46 New
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      The correct questions are raised, the protection of our equipment at the Syrian airfields, that's just why he draws conclusions from a completely different "opera", they say we shouldn't have started all this, the chief is gone, and in general they say why do we need all this.
      Well, it is very likely that the author is a fan of "white ribbons".
    2. Asadullah
      Asadullah 9 October 2015 12: 14 New
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      And the author raises the right questions.


      And why did the Afghan dragged along? The situation is completely different, the technical capabilities are different, the population is different. The impression is that once again to voice what the whole fifth column is screaming about - the second Afghan, fuck up the polymers! And then spread a thin layer of "questions" margarine.

      Russia shows strength. Not in order to intimidate anyone, but in order for those who today are afraid of Americans to understand that there is someone who can protect. Ground operation in voicing the author, looks like an attack on the front. But there is no front, there are separate boilers and supply routes that these boilers block. The main task is to eliminate these centers and form this very front line. Then there is a rear in which economic activity and self-government are being established. And now, the districts moving now to one, then to another.
  4. NKVD
    NKVD 9 October 2015 06: 02 New
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    This is purely the reasoning of the author of an article such as one grandmother said, like Solzhenitsyn. Yes, and ISIS does not have such missile systems
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 9 October 2015 09: 42 New
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      And for a long time they will not have these complexes at the same time, what rhetoric is raised in the USA such as McCain? Let me remind you that the United States does not want to share intelligence either ... In general, everyone already understands that the appearance of serious weapons at ISIS is only a matter of time)))))
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 9 October 2015 11: 55 New
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        Let me remind you that the United States does not want to share intelligence either ...


        What intelligence does the US have? They can't even clearly say what goals they are working on. The satellite sent out a suspicious cluster of geometric shapes, the specialist signed the analyst, the area was "listened to" and "spied" from the UAV. They sent the board. Well, there are still Arabs, for a fraction of a small green, they will send out a tale about a cluster of evil bearded uncles. Intelligence is what comes directly from the points of combat contact, by methods unattainable by any technique, because it performs auxiliary work, like a working tool. For Americans, on the contrary, the human factor is an auxiliary element.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 9 October 2015 12: 48 New
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      Quote: NKVD
      This is purely the reasoning of the author of an article such as one grandmother said, like Solzhenitsyn. Yes, and ISIS does not have such missile systems

      It is a very "good" article - since everything is not prokanyvet, you need to belittle what works.
      Comparing the number of sorties from an airbase whose fleet is less than or equal to half of an aircraft carrier's wing is at least not smart. But the effectiveness of blows is already evident, in contrast to the "colleagues" who kill excavators.
  5. fa2998
    fa2998 9 October 2015 06: 07 New
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    And I also want to add in the security cutoff. Our pilots and ground personnel are fighting not with a regional gang, but with an international terrorist organization. Therefore, our counterintelligence officers should "cover" the families of the military already in Russia. I am sure attempts to obtain data, use it, and thus influence We will have supporters of these thugs in the country, many are already fighting there, you have to be on the alert. soldier hi
  6. Aleks28
    Aleks28 9 October 2015 06: 39 New
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    Here, many pretend to be experts, but in order to make an expert assessment, you must at least have full information, and .... hiIt was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad will go on a decisive counterattack Who was supposed to? Or do you have access to strategic information? In short ... No.
    1. andj61
      andj61 9 October 2015 07: 56 New
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      Quote: Allex28
      It was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad will go on a decisive counterattack Who was supposed to? Or do you have access to strategic information? In short ...

      Actually, from the very beginning there was a statement from our top management about this.
      On Wednesday (September 30.09.2015, 2015), President Vladimir Putin said that Russia was not going to plunge into the conflict in Syria "with the head", it would only support the Syrian army from the air and only in the fight against terrorists. “Such support will be limited in time for the duration of the offensive operations by the Syrian army,” Putin concluded.http: //vz.ru/news/10/2/770094/XNUMX.html
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 9 October 2015 14: 13 New
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        Quote: andj61
        On Wednesday (September 30.09.2015, 2015), President Vladimir Putin said that Russia was not going to plunge into the conflict in Syria "with the head", it would only support the Syrian army from the air and only in the fight against terrorists. “Such support will be limited in time for the duration of the offensive operations by the Syrian army,” Putin concluded.http: //vz.ru/news/10/2/770094/XNUMX.html

        Well, where is it:
        Quote: andj61
        It was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad will go on a decisive counterattack

        request
  7. V.ic
    V.ic 9 October 2015 06: 43 New
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    Again / again "everything is gone"! What do we have there? Schoolchildren command the group? Anonymous, aphid ...
    1. andj61
      andj61 9 October 2015 08: 00 New
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      Quote: V.ic
      Again / again "everything is gone"! What do we have there? Schoolchildren command the group? Anonymous, aphid ...

      Generally, about the security of the base - the questions were raised in a timely manner. And private houses are close to the runway, and the greenery is nearby, and the planes are wing to wing!
      Anonymous writer or not - close attention should be paid to security issues.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 9 October 2015 10: 19 New
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        Quote: andj61
        - The questions are posed in a timely manner.

        Well, let's, dear, let's start a little further in the desert to build a modern airfield with hangars, a couple of takeoffs, taxiing, a bomb depot, a fuel and lubricant warehouse, DPRM, BPRM ... with the appropriate engineering equipment ... with pillboxes, bunkers, minefields ... Then , in about three or four years we’ll plant a group on him ... By this time, only horns and legs would remain from Bashar Hafez al-Assad.
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 October 2015 10: 44 New
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          Quote: V.ic
          Well, let's, dear, let's start a little further in the desert to build a modern airdrome with hangars

          But at least planes in a line - wing to wing - can not be put? It's right in sight
          And then in one minute you can kill several pieces at once!
          And how much damage can be done in one gulp of the installation of MLRS kilometers from 20?
          And there is a forest, low mountains, green stuff ...
          And put a bulldozer for the embankment of aerodrome facilities, aircraft parking lots, etc. - Neither money nor time is required much.
          And all this is just not visible on the picture.
          Safety should come first.
    2. andj61
      andj61 9 October 2015 08: 07 New
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      Actually, this is only on our site published anonymously. This is a question for administrators. Followed the link - the author is available - Mikhail Khodorenok.
      Born 20 February 1954
      Education:
      Minsk Higher Engineering Anti-aircraft Missile School - 1971-1976
      Military Command Academy of Air Defense - 1983-1986
      General Staff Military Academy - 1996-1998
      He served in the following positions:
      1976-1977 - Head of the combat control department of the radio-technical battery S-75
      1977-1980 - commander of the radio-technical battery of the S-75 air defense system
      1980-1983 - S-75 anti-aircraft missile battalion commander
      1983-1986 - student of the Military Command Academy of Air Defense
      1986-1988 - deputy commander of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile regiment
      1988-1992 - senior officer of the headquarters of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the air defense (General Staff of the Air Defense Forces)
      1992-1996 - senior officer-operator of the 1st direction of the 1st Directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff
      1996-1998 - student of the General Staff Military Academy
      1998-2000 - head of group 1 of direction 1 of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff
      Discharged to the reserve on July 22, 2000.
      Military rank - Colonel (1993)
      2000-2003 - Military columnist for Nezavisimaya Gazeta
      From 2003 to the present, he has been working in the publishing house VPK-Media. Editor-in-chief of the newspaper "VPK" and the journal "East Kazakhstan Region"

      The author is clearly in the subject. It is necessary to take his article quite seriously: slogans and idiots are not the best background for discussion.
  8. lopvlad
    lopvlad 9 October 2015 06: 52 New
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    It was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad will go on a decisive counterattack and will liberate his native cities and lands.

    this is probably only stupid liberals who want Russia to quickly get out of Syria and the West began to lift sanctions.
    Russia's goal in Syria is not PR, but real help in preserving the state.

    In general, the article is another liberal vyser from the cycle "Russia can pay dearly for aid to Syria"
  9. kuz363
    kuz363 9 October 2015 06: 56 New
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    Minus to the author. Why did they print the manual for terrorists? Yes, he writes a lot correctly. But this does not justify the dangers of his article.
    1. Are
      Are 9 October 2015 08: 23 New
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      What is written correctly remains in history .. Conclusions are made, believe me. bully
    2. max702
      max702 9 October 2015 10: 12 New
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      Quote: kuz363
      Minus to the author. Why did they print the manual for terrorists? Yes, he writes a lot correctly. But this does not justify the dangers of his article.

      What benefit? You are delusional! Those who will organize and carry out an attack on the base will have absolutely all infa, satellite images, patrol mode, security schemes, the location of amplification equipment, and much more that is necessary for a successful operation, all this and much more will be supplied by the so-called "partners", now there is an accumulation of information and the preparation of material and technical means, most likely not semi-literate babakhs will be involved, but specialists from PMCs who have extensive experience and the most modern technology will be used, the Saudis and other offended will pay ... And how would Uncle Sam want to put in the place of the broken Russians .. The defeat of our the base will be a mega holiday for the bourgeoisie, and how the media will present it, this is not a stop of the "Armata" at the parade training .. So we are waiting for the reciprocal step of the "partners", judging by the events that are taking place, the option of fishing with live bait is very likely, like see what we are without laber and it's easy to catch us on this, we'll see how it ends .. If it turns out again that this is a banal stupidity of the military about We will pay the organizers with blood and fierce political humiliation, and if everything is much deeper and the attackers are washed in blood, then we really took a step in a new type of wars, while the scenario of this campaign works like a clock, let's see what happens next ..
      1. Aroma77
        Aroma77 9 October 2015 10: 55 New
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        Here you are, sadly right. Yesterday, these bastards announced that they would expect losses for Russia. So they are preparing a "present" for us and of course not baboons will perform it. Specialists are clearly being trained, they now need to trumpet the whole world about the losses of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which we allegedly warned you. Well, yes, I think we are not "bastard" either. Intelligence must work.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 9 October 2015 16: 07 New
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          For some reason, everyone focuses on technical, instrumental reconnaissance. And what is intelligence in the past? With modern technology, tracking and transmitting information about the air group’s daily routine is a seed. Correctly, the author poses security issues. In Afghanistan, the commanders of large gangs were senior and senior Afghan officers armies trained in US educational institutions, and do not be surprised who is off topic, in the USSR academies, but who have not accepted our lifestyle and our ideology. So do not think that this is a bunch of savages. There are many officers from the Iraqi army in the IS army and Libya, also trained in the United States. It was Senator McCain who flew to them with a promise of support. Here is a topic for reflection. Understand that the worst losses occur when a person gets used to and forgets about the danger.
  10. N-SKiy
    N-SKiy 9 October 2015 06: 56 New
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    Here is a radish, red on the outside, white on the inside. Custom-made article is felt by the hand of an NPO. NATO members are doing the same.
  11. skifd
    skifd 9 October 2015 07: 44 New
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    What was it ??? AFFTORA urgently at Headquarters ... soldier
  12. avia12005
    avia12005 9 October 2015 07: 53 New
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    The perimeter of the protection of the airfield and communication facilities, along with long-distance drives is about 30-40 kilometers. So one battalion of marines is clearly not enough. If the lack of l / s is compensated by modern means of protection and detection is good. But the ear must be kept open, so that questions about the protection raised correctly. As for the rest, it is speculation and guesswork.
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 9 October 2015 08: 03 New
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    In modern management, there is such a thing as crowdsourcing, in which the crowd is a source of strength.

    This is when some necessary work is done by unpaid or low-paid amateur experts who spend their free time solving problems or conducting research, development, etc.

    The author, as a professional, did his part of the free work, described how to and how not to protect the airfield with help. uncontrollable landmine, ditch and Bruno spiral. Pros will understand what's what.

    It remains for the RF Armed Forces to apply these proposals.

    All the more so Bashar al-Assad gathered his strength and began to win. Just yesterday. So, Bashar obeyed, crowdsourcing helped.

    We are all here a bit from the Internet crowd, telling the top how to do things. True, those to whom we are prompting will not listen at all, but this is another matter. This nonsense will not stop us from prompting and giving suggestions.

    Author + for work.
    1. skifd
      skifd 9 October 2015 19: 02 New
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      Quote: akudr48
      Author + for work.


      A simple and clear as day thought has repeatedly sounded here - if an author who has nothing to do with this event posts this on the network, then forgive me, he is not the only one who is "overly concerned" with the safety of our servicemen who are there. Well, not one day all this was being prepared, all this is now perfectly understood. Presumably, possible risks were calculated, options to minimize them, just think about what ... why the hell did the first ships with "caliber" go for a walk in the Caspian Sea ?? Equipment, uniforms from the Syrian Army? Here, one logistics strikes the imagination of the "unexpected" (no, "one" knew, but that would be like this .. and so much .. and what ..? !!? wassat ) With such a level of planning, do not take care of the comfort of our "eagles" of their work? !!! wassat am Yes "do not tell my slippers" (C) !!! A person posted an article, shared, so to speak, "summations" (otherwise, without him, something is wrong, and no one .. and nothing ..), and WHAT ??? Well the question is now, because of what spears to break ??

      By the way, the picture of the airfield hangs on two (at least, at what - a long time ago) Ukrov sites, and the described security modes are easily found on the Internet. It’s possible to write an article to someone else as well, if there was a desire and a necessary topic.
  14. Oman 47
    Oman 47 9 October 2015 08: 12 New
    +1
    Big heads in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are at least NOT DARKER than the author of the article.
    You can judge by the deployment of the group and other points.
    Not Chechnya in the 90s.
  15. Are
    Are 9 October 2015 08: 21 New
    +5
    The article is good for "sofa experts": how the security of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria is organized is a military secret and no one is going to reveal it to us in the comments tongue soldier
    If the author (s) were hoping for a provocation --- what if someone shared their knowledge --- contact the General Staff of Ukraine - they all know drinks
    1. Oleko
      Oleko 9 October 2015 15: 33 New
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      ARE RO  Today, 08:21 New


      The article is good for "sofa experts": how the security of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria is organized is a military secret and no one is going to reveal it to us in the comments. Tongue soldier
      If the author (s) were hoping for a provocation --- what if someone shares knowledge --- contact the General Staff of Ukraine - everyone knows drinks there

      Ours and the Syrians are at the checkpoints, a helicopter is constantly hovering over the base. There are two rooms in the dining room, one for officers, the other for contract soldiers. The menu is the same. There is a bakery. There are baths. Brooms are made from eucalyptus trees. The Syrians are helping. The houses are cozy. For 3 beds and 6 beds. This is the material of the Zvezda TV channel special correspondent. With regard to air sorties, the Yankees can "work" in their own military-industrial complex. I spent more, ordered more. And we have it in Suvorov style: not by number, but by skill.
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  16. Are
    Are 9 October 2015 08: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Allex28
    Here, many pretend to be experts, but in order to make an expert assessment, you must at least have full information, and .... hiIt was assumed that after the first series of Russian air strikes, the army of Bashar al-Assad will go on a decisive counterattack Who was supposed to?Or do you have access to strategic information? In short ... No.

    laughing who has such access ---- comments are not written here wink
  17. da Vinci
    da Vinci 9 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +1
    The outcome of the Syrian war is far from clear.
  18. EvilLion
    EvilLion 9 October 2015 08: 42 New
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    Who will let you shoot the organization of the defense base? Well naive ...
  19. gukoyan
    gukoyan 9 October 2015 09: 11 New
    +1
    Why is the article so pimimistic?
    I do not think that our carelessly approached the issue of their security. Here in Syria are not green conscripts, but contract soldiers, that is, pros in their field. Especially in Syria, the landscape is not difficult many plains, in Afghanistan, constant transitions and jumps in the level above the sea ... Moreover, technology does not stand still.
  20. Crucian
    Crucian 9 October 2015 09: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: kuz363
    Minus to the author. Why did they print the manual for terrorists? Yes, he writes a lot correctly. But this does not justify the dangers of his article.

    I think that in addition to strategic interests, support for Assad and the fight against terrorism, one of the aspects of aviation in Syria is also a demonstration of military strength, the ability for decisive and effective actions of the Russian Federation and, as a result, raising the prestige of not only the Air Force, but also the army and the fleet as a whole. He is not an expert in these matters, but there is no doubt that Shoigu and Co. considered the likelihood of the terrorists' desire to destroy the aviation that effectively affects them, namely to expand the airbase with all the aircraft. To consider an article in which "what if terrorists will sneak up and blow up everything" as a textbook for terrorists, in my opinion, is ridiculous. There are also no downs and oligophrenics among them and can't help but think about it. And measures to protect and prevent shelling of the base cannot but be taken, and besides the safety of the life of drugs and expensive military equipment, in addition to the necessity of decisively declaring oneself, one's presence and effective activity, not to fall face down in the mud. Therefore, I think, to say that the author of his article said something new and dangerous for the base is at least not serious.
  21. corsar26
    corsar26 9 October 2015 09: 37 New
    +1
    By the way, in total during the “Desert Storm” MNS aviation (which is more than 2300 combat aircraft) made about 38 thousand sorties,

    it’s not clear why this comparison? it turns out that this whole armada, for the entire operation, made 16 sorties per plane?
  22. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 9 October 2015 10: 31 New
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    Regarding the sorties. In Syria, as has been repeatedly reported, the Americans (+ group of 60) have been "having fun" for a year now, but where is the result? The article is, in general, correct, but the Afghan experience was probably taken into account and the results of the work of the Aerospace Forces are obvious. Wait and see.
  23. andrejwz
    andrejwz 9 October 2015 11: 30 New
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    6. And where is the Syrian offensive?

    Author of prayamo on "The Adventures of Shurik" - And the kampot?
  24. sogdianec
    sogdianec 9 October 2015 11: 32 New
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    Why compare the activity of NATO aviation in Yugoslavia and Iraq, with ours in Syria? We have no goal ... to expand the country to the "state of atoms". We are not going to bomb settlements with civilians. Helping the Syrian army in the fight against ISIS and nothing more.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 9 October 2015 12: 35 New
      +3
      In the photo you can see the debris
      Just a photo of construction equipment
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  26. Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 12: 40 New
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    Quote: andj61
    Generally, about the security of the base - the questions were raised in a timely manner. And private houses are close to the runway, and the greenery is nearby, and the planes are wing to wing! Anonymous author, or not - security issues should be given close attention.

    Quite right. Questions were raised, but for some reason they were met with hostility. They immediately remembered UAVs, satellites, thermal imagers, helicopter protection of the perimeter, yes, and how could it be without electronic warfare. And what will this electronic warfare or satellites and thermal imagers give, when a Toyota is driven a couple of kilometers to the strip in the residential (private) development zone, two or three people deploy a mortar in the back of a mortar in a couple of minutes and fire through the parking lot ...

    The author posed the correct questions, especially the person in the subject ... And there is not noticeably any inclinations from him "why climbed". Or if a person raises uncomfortable questions - immediately an enemy and "who are you working for, bastard"?
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 9 October 2015 14: 49 New
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      Quote: Old26
      The author put polls right, especially the person in the subject ... And there is not noticeably any inclinations from him "why climbed". Or if a person raises uncomfortable questions - immediately an enemy and "for whom are you working, bastard?"

      Yes, this is not the essence of dear Old26! He did not pose any questions, all the more inconvenient. A superficially written article, having such experience of staff work, a person was simply too lazy to analyze the existing security system at airfields in Syria, especially even on the pictures of our "partners" you can get a lot of interesting things about organizing security. And besides, even here on the VO, an article by a Syrian military pilot slipped through, where it was clearly stated that the airfield was in a double cordon. The outer ring is the government army, the inner ring is our own guards.
      And frankly, over the 15 years that the respected author has been absent from the service, much has changed dramatically. Moreover, most likely ours are now running there in a combat situation the maximum number of new developments !!! I won’t be surprised if info pops up that robotic patrols travel around the base, etc., etc.
      1. War_Child_83
        War_Child_83 5 January 2018 01: 23 New
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        It took 2 years and 2 months and at the Khmeimim airdrome came on December 31, 2017.
    2. corporal
      corporal 9 October 2015 15: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      Or if a person raises uncomfortable questions - immediately an enemy and "for whom are you working, bastard?"

      Here the Israelis lately tactfully pointed out the problem of the insecurity of aircraft and personnel, and by the way, they also mentioned mortars and MLRS, so they grabbed such disadvantages - fellow Direct enemies of the people in 37.
      Well our hoo-patriots don't like uncomfortable questions request In their understanding: - we will tear them all with one left, and from one of our species everything should be at least decayed, at the maximum - give oak. And in general, nothing can fly to the airport with OUR planes by default.
      In short, full fool
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 9 October 2015 16: 27 New
        +2
        The corporal agrees with both you and Stary26. Once there were two attempts at the attack, they will mean more. There may be a donkey with a golden cart and a car with explosives. You don’t have to rely on all this technique, any yawn will be used to do harm. And the Americans will not apply to help the ISIS to substitute the bandwagon for us.
  27. Indifferent
    Indifferent 9 October 2015 15: 44 New
    -1
    The author is a pensioner, wrote an article for the same pensioners as myself! Now there will be something to "chew". By the way, there have already been two attacks on the airfield. A couple of dozen militants were killed. The rest fled. Will there be more attacks? By itself! It's a war. Can there be losses? Unfortunately they can. Send 50 trucks with cargo for a couple of thousand km and someone is sure to get into an accident and even fatal. But we take this as the norm.
    In our country, 30 people die in traffic accidents annually. At least someone stopped driving? And this is twice as much as the loss in 000 years in Afghanistan. This is how the people react strangely to human losses. Some for granted. Other ay-ay-ay! And everywhere people and everyone is sorry.
    The only thing I don’t agree with the author is that we need air armies. This is where they are not really needed. Now night vision devices are infrared and radar sights. Adjustable bonbon and other lotions, which in Afghanistan could not be. One aircraft with ultra-precise weapons can solve the same problem as a regiment 30 years ago. So the quality is different.
    Who doesn’t know. One BAB KAB-500 costs 3 million rubles !!!! We don’t have so much money to buy such bonuses for the air army and to herach every motorcycle with them, as the Americans do. A man graduated from so many academies, but did not learn to count money in the war.
  28. Meta-65
    Meta-65 9 October 2015 19: 57 New
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    from the very beginning of this war, it has always been compared with Afghanistan. In some ways, it probably looks like the East, the mountains, but our weapons are much better, it’s true after all. God forbid that there would be such losses as in Afghanistan.
  29. vell.65
    vell.65 9 October 2015 23: 23 New
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    Quote: ctepx
    I think you are mistaken regarding the author’s intentions)).
    Answer

    Is it possible that the author was given a complete alignment of the protection of the "Khmeimim" base, and that they are not yet particularly at war, it’s a matter of time.
  30. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 09: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Corporal
    Here the Israelis lately tactfully pointed out the problem of the insecurity of aircraft and personnel, and by the way, they also mentioned mortars and MLRS, so they grabbed such disadvantages -

    What to do if it's always a problem. By the way, I will not reveal such a big secret, my colleague has relatives living in Adler, so he told a lot about the control he had for the period before and during the Olympics in relation to such trucks as the Gazelle ...
  31. Awaz
    Awaz 11 October 2015 10: 03 New
    +1
    Well, like I’m somewhere in the commercials about flights, I saw some kind of construction work in the background, though briefly. All the same, people there understand the situation and remember the experience of Afghanistan. Definitely while the bandits were not getting close to the base, but there were probably attempts already. Ours have been working for more than 10 days, and if desired, the bandits could organize at least one sortie with serious consequences during this time. But so far it does not work out. Or ours control everything well or bandits put to sleep vigilance ...