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How in the old days: will the Stingers strike?

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The other day, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the Russian aviation (Su-24M and Su-25) made flights at eight IG facilities in Syria. Destruction of the militants command post in El Latamna area confirmed. IG terrorists are likely to respond with some anti-aircraft weapons captured from the Syrian army. Some observers write about the American Stingers. However, there is simply no exact data on the arsenal of Islamists.


How in the old days: will the Stingers strike?


The spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov, reported last week about the destruction of the militants command center in Syria. "The objective control data confirms the complete destruction by the Su-24M aircraft of the command post of the militants of the terrorist group" IG "in the area of ​​El-Lathamn", - quotes Konashenkova RIA News".

In addition, Su-24M strikes destroyed the headquarters of the management of terrorist groups and the ammunition depot near Tell-Bis.

"Russian newspaper" October evening 5 explained why the National Defense Control Center of Russia was chosen as the place for daily briefings on the actions of the Russian air group in Syria. After all, a secure facility on the Frunze Embankment of Moscow is located thousands of kilometers from the areas of strikes against IG. However, information is flocked here.

“Those who are professionally involved in the coverage of combat operations, or simply follow their course closely, have certainly paid attention to such detail. For example, in the morning a short message appears on the information tapes: today, the Su-25 attack aircraft attacked the training camp for terrorists in the area of ​​the village of Kesladzhuk. And already at 11 hours, the official representative of the military department, Major General Igor Konashenkov, not only tells reporters about the details of this strike, but also comments in detail on the image of the targets hitting the monitors of the National Center. ”


In reality, a huge reservoir of data coming into the building on Frunze Embankment remains “behind the scenes” (intelligence reports, data from space satellites, etc.).

The correspondent of "RG" told the following:

“... On the computer map, the duty shift sees which planes are now in the air and on the ground, on which routes and to what purposes attack aircraft and bombers are moving. A separate line on the monitors spelled out the geographical coordinates and the nature of these goals. There is an ammunition depot, here is their underground bunker, and this is the control point.

If necessary, officers on duty shift can contact the commander of our air group and promptly retarge any of the aircraft. This, for example, is done when, at the last moment, the Center received data on the newly discovered and more important ISIS object in terms of destruction. ”


The publication also reports that information for decision-making at the Center is verified through operational sources and systems of visual tracking and control. Computers calculate the details of the upcoming operation: what kind of aircraft, how many sorties, what types of ammunition. Next, the computer makes recommendations. The choice of a specific option - for the person.

Now we will be transferred to Syria.

According to a newspaper source Kommersant of the bodies of operational military control at the airport Hmeymim near Latakia formed mixed air group of bombers Su-24M and Su-34, Su-25SM and multipurpose fighters Su-30SM, attack helicopters Mi-24 and multi-purpose Mi-8 from those what are in service with the Russian Federation VKS.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not disclose the number of servicemen involved in the operation. The first deputy chief of the General Staff, Nikolai Bogdanovsky, notes the publication, only stressed that "soldiers do not participate in any actions abroad".

According to experts polled by Kommersant, there are two possible scenarios for Moscow’s actions in Syria: defensive and offensive. The essence of the first: to help government forces maintain control of the Mediterranean coast and adjacent areas (there live Alawites). Latakia and Tartus are also located there.

The essence of the second: it can be carried out in parallel with the defensive, it is more risky, but more advantageous from the point of view of the international image of Russia. The ideal option here would be the release of Palmyra. According to experts, Russian special forces, with the support of aviation and Syrian troops, would be able to do this. However, before the retreat, the terrorists from the "IG" could blow up ancient buildings, which would reduce the propaganda effect of the release to nothing. In addition, it is relatively easy to take Palmyra, and to keep this “oasis in the desert” is much more difficult. This threatens Moscow with a bogus war.

Also, we add from ourselves, a logical question arises about the likely response of the militants of Russian aviation. Is everyone just fleeing to Iraq (to where they control the territory of the "caliphate") and to Jordan (they are already running there)? The press writes about the possible use of air defense systems. Which ones is hard to say. They write, for example, about the Stingers. About the "legendary" weapons Mujahideen.

The commander of the 4 th air army of the Air Force and Air Defense in 1998-2001, lieutenant-general of the reserve, Hero of Russia Valery Gorbenko said "Free Press"that Russian specialists are well able to protect airfields, and "the experience of Afghanistan has certainly not been forgotten." Therefore, the probability that the militants "IG" will be able to shoot down planes on takeoff and during landing is minimal.

If the Islamists try to “pull over” to the Syrian positions, the Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters, as well as the Su-25CM attack aircraft will be used. True, in this case on the ground should be air gunners, reminds Gorbenko.

As for the MANPADS available to the "IG", then in this regard there is no accurate data. The American Stinger, the expert notes, can hit targets at a height of five thousand meters. However, Russian combat aircraft are equipped with “heat traps”. “I think our pilots will use them widely, hiding from MANPADS fire,” said Gorbenko.

Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Colonel Vladimir Anokhin, who carried out combat missions in Syria in the 1970-s, believes that the possibility of "IG" should not be overestimated.

“The capabilities of the Islamic State’s air defense are rather modest,” he told the Free Press. - Basically it is low-power cannon artillery plus ZSU-23-4 Shilka anti-aircraft guns, also of Soviet manufacture, which the militants seized in Iraq. “Shilka”, I remind you, is intended for the destruction of air targets at ranges up to 2500 meters and altitudes up to 1500 meters flying at speeds up to 450 m / s. I believe this weaponry does not pose a threat to the Su-24M and even more so for the Su-30CM and Su-34. I think in this case it is quite possible to assume a zero percent loss. ”

According to the expert, the anti-aircraft equipment at the disposal of IG can be dangerous for helicopters (low-flying low-speed targets). Therefore, according to Anokhin, without thorough reconnaissance, combat helicopters in Syria are impractical.

So, experts suggest that the militants of "IG" American "Stingers", as well as the Soviet ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", captured by militants in Iraq. Experts are not inclined to overestimate the capabilities of "IG" and believe that the militants will not be able to shoot down Russian planes on takeoff and landing on the airfield. The experience of Afghanistan is not forgotten.

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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2015 06: 11
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    Experts are not inclined to overestimate the capabilities of “IG” and believe that the militants will not be able to shoot down Russian aircraft on takeoff and landing on the airfield. The experience of Afghanistan is not forgotten.


    Oleg, hello.
    I would very much like to believe in it, but for this it is necessary to protect the take-off-landing-climb zone, like the apple of an eye.
    Attempts with MANPADS will be all the same.
    1. amirbek
      amirbek 7 October 2015 06: 30
      +5
      most of the MANPADS have probably already been burned
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 7 October 2015 09: 40
        12
        If necessary, the Americans will still throw the PZR igil and newer than the old stinger. Exploration will again lead the hunt for caravans.
    2. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 06: 40
      33
      Quote: aszzz888
      Attempts with MANPADS will be all the same.

      MANPADS are an expensive thing. It will be much cheaper for them to use the Katyusha at the airfield itself. The 40 km zone around it is not sterile. And children like to put PU cooked from the corners, connect a timer from a washing machine or microwave and tear. Cheap and cheerful.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 7 October 2015 06: 49
        +5
        hell will fall from the "corner". MLRS will not be imperceptibly adjusted either. Most likely crawl up with Stinger
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 06: 56
          12
          Quote: Tlauicol
          hell will fall from the "corner". MLRS will not be imperceptibly adjusted either. Most likely crawl up with Stinger

          Even as they hit the target size of 3 for one and a half kilometers.

          And MLRS customize without problems. It's a question of time.

          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 15
            +5
            get into the airfield, and request here it is necessary to adjust the Grad division. But with Stinger it will be easier to approach the airfield by 15-20 km. Recently they wrote here about the Afghan landing on the Su 24: “The pilots of the air group landed planes on a steep glide path, when a sharp descent from a height of three kilometers begins just 15 kilometers from the airfield.” - shoot down - I don’t want
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 October 2015 07: 20
              +4
              Quote: Tlauicol
              get into the airfield, and here it is necessary to adjust the Gradov division

              Why division? One rocket approximately every 30 minutes from different directions and see how this disrupts the combat activity of the group. You can’t stand in line in the canteen ...
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 31
                +8
                as an option good . although I am more for the new Budennovsk, Beslan, Dubrovka, explosions in the subway and other attacks below the belt more worried
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 7 October 2015 09: 32
                  +6
                  Ukrainians here threw yet another idea of ​​the Igilovsky air defense: posting information on pilots and their families on the Peacemaker’s website would be a terrible box office and stingers!
                  1. stavr550
                    stavr550 7 October 2015 14: 02
                    +4
                    they hell in ... will kiss with a lick of a lick we were worse off
                  2. Witamin72
                    Witamin72 7 October 2015 14: 29
                    0
                    torn ....
                  3. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 7 October 2015 16: 10
                    +1
                    and where can they get this info? Is it freely available?
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 7 October 2015 17: 55
                      +4
                      Quote: silver_roman
                      Is it freely available?


                      Unfortunately, Roman is already there, and even in our editions .. today I have already read who flew when "fornication" to the Turks, where are they from, etc.
                      1. silver_roman
                        silver_roman 8 October 2015 10: 06
                        +1
                        infa about the crews participating in combat missions in general should be strictly classified. for this you need to open criminal cases. And "our" publications will be sold to mom, if only to give out a sensation in their lousy rags!
                    2. delvin-fil
                      delvin-fil 8 October 2015 05: 15
                      +3
                      Unfortunately, no one canceled the social network. There is a ban for the command staff, but there is no ban for conscripts ("oh, my commander went to Syria") and for family members ("my husband / son"). And many (especially children) post photos of their husbands / fathers.
                      ... and then "social engineering"!
                  4. delvin-fil
                    delvin-fil 8 October 2015 05: 12
                    0
                    Yes Yes! This pig farmer from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has business, of course! stop
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              3. igorka357
                igorka357 7 October 2015 08: 51
                +6
                And agents and informers will calmly watch, the turntables will sit on their belly ... the Syrian guards will also wait, but I think the specialists from the GRU are most likely involved in the protection, but they will have no time to sleep! You think they decided and drove into battle ... any security Our flyers were not planned badly! And the area is such that the peacekeeper will hand over the launchers instantly! And single launches from the "corner" is a million-chance chance to hit the planes, it is possible, of course, but a war, it’s a war!
                1. yegor_k
                  yegor_k 7 October 2015 15: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: igorka357
                  Yes, I think, and specialists from the GRU are most likely involved in the protection,

                  Completely shredded? It’s just that the special forces haven’t set the guard ...
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 8 October 2015 20: 20
                    0
                    Quote: yegor_k
                    Completely shredded? It’s just that the special forces haven’t set the guard ...

                    If you don’t know, then the Leningrad NPP is guarded by special forces scouring at distant approaches and scaring mushroom pickers. There was a report somewhere with the commander
              4. andj61
                andj61 7 October 2015 08: 55
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Why division? One missile approximately every 30 minutes from different directions and see how this disrupts the combat activity of the group.

                Of course, such a danger exists.
                It has long been known - the best air defense - our tanks at enemy airfields. MLRS near aerodromes is also a serious problem. Controlling the perimeter and the territory up to 20 km deep is not a trivial task. The Mi-24 seems to be doing this. True, this is not enough - you need reinforced cover on the ground.
              5. Russian jacket
                Russian jacket 7 October 2015 10: 26
                13
                I don't always agree with the professor ... But ... Here he is right. A case from the history of Afgan. At the very beginning, the introduced regiment stood up as in the USSR. With swept paths and tents in the middle of technology. After the first bombardment with "spirits" everything was done as it should ... hi
              6. THE_SEAL
                THE_SEAL 7 October 2015 14: 52
                +3
                Hahol was born - a Jew cried. But Bandera veterans brag about how in Western Ukraine during the Second World War the Jews pulled out gold crowns before being shot. then drove in a herd to the ditch and at an expense.
              7. Foxmara
                Foxmara 7 October 2015 16: 04
                +6
                around the airfield, a pair of crocodiles constantly patrols with thermal imagers. including not really crawling.

                “And the last question today, literally this afternoon there was a message from the militants that they launched an attack on the airbase where Russian forces are based, was there really such an attempt?

                Haha. How can I tell you. Yes and no. You know, they drove a jeep with missiles, like even three of them destroyed. They drove, put them at such a distance that the Russians could not get it. Well, imagine, the airbase there is covered with artillery and powerful MLRS systems, not the same nonsense that the militants have on their jeeps. If they did it within reach, they would be covered immediately. No, they were firing towards the airbase, but from such a distance that even if Allah had helped them, the missiles would still not have reached. But Allah helps Assad. As soon as they launched, they were noticed by the nearest Syrian checkpoint, and they were destroyed by artillery strikes of the Syrian army. That's the whole story. "
              8. ancient
                ancient 7 October 2015 17: 53
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                One missile approximately every 30 minutes from different directions and see how this disrupts the combat activity of the group. You can’t stand in line in the canteen ...


                I agree, +! Even the 1st is enough for this "idyll" to end, unfortunately recourse
                Behind the river there were both the 1st and 2nd lines of defense and "crocodiles" took off and there were periodic control overflights and ... this did not prevent the spirits from doing "their own affairs" soldier
              9. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 7 October 2015 20: 52
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                You can’t stand in line in the canteen ...

                The professor secretly monitors the news. The poet’s soul could not stand it? :)
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              11. Bochik
                Bochik 7 October 2015 22: 41
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Tlauicol
                get into the airfield, and here it is necessary to adjust the Gradov division

                Why division? One rocket approximately every 30 minutes from different directions and see how this disrupts the combat activity of the group. You can’t stand in line in the canteen ...

                This is how, especially the national character is constantly disgusting to write? You probably sleep and see how our guys were put there ... Learn from Avigdor Eskin to be a good Jew, evoking only positive emotions. And then, apart from squeamishness, you do not cause anything ...
            2. ancient
              ancient 7 October 2015 17: 49
              +4
              Quote: Tlauicol
              get into the airfield, and


              Yes, the runway is not a target, but a target..material ... a fragmentation mine and ... 24-kam and 34-kam..can come "kirdyk" ... Rooks, of course, are "stronger" (not in terms of thickness armor, but in terms of a simpler avionics).

              Quote: Tlauicol
              : “The pilots of the air group landed the planes on a steep glide path, when a sharp descent from a height of three kilometers begins just 15 kilometers from the airfield.” - shoot down - I don’t want


              Well, the same interview was given by the deputy politician ... what can you take from him ... about the Afghan gradient, of course, I heard something, that's for a red word ... turned.

              But how many "daughters of officers" then climbed ... and the Far one by 750 meters and the close one by 250 meters and to the point of alignment and urya .... (somewhere I listened or read about the method of landing with IOD on the L-39 and now that's it "urya"
          2. ICT
            ICT 7 October 2015 07: 32
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            And MLRS customize without problems


            we here on the forum a little earlier thought about it

            http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/1478-s-chem-stolknetsya-rossiyskaya-aviatsiya-v-sir
            ii /

            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 07: 36
              +2
              Quote: TIT
              we here on the forum a little earlier thought about it

              At 1.20 -1.25, people walk so calmly past a burning plane.
              1. mejik
                mejik 7 October 2015 08: 15
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: TIT
                we here on the forum a little earlier thought about it

                At 1.20 -1.25, people walk so calmly past a burning plane.

                On 1.10, this person was moving away from the plane and fell at the time of the explosion.
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              3. Manul
                Manul 7 October 2015 10: 32
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                At 1.20 -1.25, people walk so calmly past a burning plane.

                The same man had been hit before by a blast wave. Then he walked calmly, and then - obviously limping ..
            2. tlauicol
              tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 44
              +3
              Awesome selection! By the way, I was thinking, one bearded uncle with a powerful rifle, day or night, can make holes in airplanes and do not need any missiles
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 7 October 2015 10: 52
                +4
                Quote: Tlauicol
                By the way, I thought here, and one bearded uncle with a powerful rifle day or night

                anti-sniper complex at least leave him without eyes, and finally without a head ...
            3. igorka357
              igorka357 7 October 2015 08: 53
              +2
              It just pulls from these hysterical screams when they get somewhere ..))))! Fucking natives!
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 07: 38
            12
            Quote: Professor
            And MLRS customize without problems. It's a question of time.

            Here's how they will drive and shoot, then you will shout, I told you. And while only your "friends" from the USA are shouting .... Stop bombing.
            1. ICT
              ICT 7 October 2015 07: 46
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              you will scream


              well, there’s no point in screaming, and in our history all threats have been realized

              1. How did il-Xnumx die in Agan?
              2. How to find out the maximum human capacity mi-26?
          4. Das Boot
            Das Boot 7 October 2015 08: 26
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            And MLRS customize without problems. It's a question of time.

            I liked this:
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 October 2015 08: 31
              +4
              So the car was camouflaged by all the rules. This time under the municipal truck. Can and under the ambulance. It may be so.
              ATGM "TOU". Disguise.
              1. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 7 October 2015 08: 37
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Can and under the ambulance. It may be so.

                Well, in such a way, under any arba, several guides can be pinched :-)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 7 October 2015 08: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  Well, in such a way, under any arba, several guides can be pinched :-)

                  Here I am about that. This is a much more serious threat than MANPADS.

                  Quote: igorka357
                  MLRS and then MLRS that the volley fire system, and not single starts!

                  Single launches are much more effective in this case since they can improve the base for a long time. Want salp? They can and in one gulp.
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 7 October 2015 11: 50
                    0
                    Well, see for yourself, these missiles have just started flying, and the expansion is already .. good! Their guidance is simple ... about that way and that’s it!
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 7 October 2015 09: 01
                +5
                I read it myself prof ... how the Germans brought down everyone to the bottom, or it can remind how the Americans smashed any car that didn’t stop from the block for 150 meters ... there will be cases of medicine!
            2. Aleksandr81
              Aleksandr81 7 October 2015 10: 48
              +2
              Well, the elevation angle is possible and it will turn out to adjust and fix but what about the firing sector? Do not park the truck to align in the direction of the airfield.
          5. igorka357
            igorka357 7 October 2015 08: 46
            0
            MLRS and then MLRS that the volley fire system, and not single starts!
        2. Sea snake
          Sea snake 7 October 2015 16: 36
          +6
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Most likely crawl with Stinger

          Already crawled and shot down .... Video confirmation from ISIS ---

          belay laughing
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 8 October 2015 20: 17
            +1
            Quote: Sea Snake
            Already crawled and shot down ...

            Tin-plate
            By the way, I watched here on another video, there a voice-over says so scared "U..allah akbar ...." in a whisper
            How by the way it translates, otherwise they repeat the same thing in the subject and not in the subject
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 7 October 2015 06: 54
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        PU welded from the corners, connect a timer from the washer

        So there the accuracy is appropriate, from cannons to sparrows. You can get somewhere, but you don't know where. And to drive the whole "Grad" - spectacles, you can not get there.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 7 October 2015 07: 17
          +7
          Quote: inkass_98
          So there the accuracy is appropriate, from cannons to sparrows. You can get somewhere, but you don't know where. And to drive the whole "Grad" - spectacles, you can not get there.

          Hail is unlikely, but for example, the Chinese 107 mm Type 63 (IN THE PHOTO) which is very popular among all sorts of "rebels" - easily.

          The 8500 range is m. It weighs only 600 kg, is compact and mobile, it is cheap - it’s not a pity to quit.
          1. Good me
            Good me 7 October 2015 08: 29
            +1
            Quote: Bongo
            Hail is unlikely, but for example, the Chinese 107 mm Type 63 (IN THE PHOTO) which is very popular among all sorts of "rebels" - easily.


            I read it, wondered what kind of "beast" ... Found a description on the net. It turns out that with the standard use of this MLRS, it is prescribed to remove the wheels, and the launcher in this position rests on the openers and front supports (visible in the photo) ...

            And in the photo, as you can see, the wheels are present when shooting, which is obviously not good for them.
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            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 7 October 2015 09: 52
              +2
              Quote: Good Me
              in the photo, as you can see, the wheels are present when shooting, which is obviously not good for them.

              It depends on the situation. The front-line soldiers told me when the M-30 and its modifications M-31 (in the common people "Luka Mudishchev") were launched together with a box from any hillock! smile
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 7 October 2015 11: 10
            +3
            Quote: Bongo
            Hail is unlikely, but for example, the Chinese 107 mm Type 63 (IN THE PHOTO) which is very popular among all sorts of "rebels" - easily.


            And these options are not uncommon:











            1. Neksel
              Neksel 7 October 2015 21: 55
              +3
              Quote: wanderer_032
              Quote: Bongo
              Hail is unlikely, but for example, the Chinese 107 mm Type 63 (IN THE PHOTO) which is very popular among all sorts of "rebels" - easily.


              And these options are not uncommon:













              Inspired by ....
      3. Bongo
        Bongo 7 October 2015 07: 04
        +3
        Quote: Professor

        MANPADS are an expensive thing. It will be much cheaper for them to use the Katyusha at the airfield itself. The 40 km zone around it is not sterile. And children like to put PU cooked from the corners, connect a timer from a washing machine or microwave and tear. Cheap and cheerful.

        Oleg seems like you're right yes Everyone knows "Stingers" and "Needles", but these compact anti-aircraft systems, contrary to the opinion of the average man, require competent use, maintenance and consumables. For example, all the "Stingers" delivered to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, by the beginning of the 90s "sour". The service life of the battery does not exceed 2 years.

        In the same Afghanistan, aviation losses at aerodromes from rocket and mortar shelling were almost more than MANPADS.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 22
          0
          it’s hard to drag with a mortar, range again, secrecy, and the fire action will take more time for the people. And with MANPADS for 15 km from the strip you can take
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 October 2015 07: 28
            +4
            Quote: Tlauicol
            it’s hard to drag with a mortar, range again, secrecy, and the fire action will take more time for the people. And with MANPADS for 15 km from the strip you can take

            The mortar is easily transported in Zaporozhets. sad

            Quote: Homo
            I see you are such an analyst and strategist cool, and those who are planning an operation in Syria are so-so, loshki from the street. And before your statement, they did not know that they could crawl, drive up and shell.

            There is no need to be an analyst. Judging by how the equipment was built at the airport (without caponiers and shelters) they did not think about shelling.



            Quote: Homo
            And beyond the perimeter of the aerodrome they do not see and do not control.

            This is 100%. They do not see and do not control unambiguously. To control and see it is necessary to sit in each aul within a radius of 40 km.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 07: 41
              +6
              Quote: Professor

              There is no need to be an analyst. Judging by how the equipment was built at the airport (without caponiers and shelters) they did not think about shelling.

              Probably because they covered the airfield.
              1. Professor
                Professor 7 October 2015 07: 43
                10 th
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Probably because they covered the airfield.

                Alexander, what covered? Have you bought Nautilus and LCD in large quantities or covered it up with the traditional "maybe"? Find me one concrete shelter at the base?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 07: 56
                  10
                  Quote: Professor
                  Alexander, what did you cover with?

                  Probably those whom the media will not show and will not tell.
                  Quote: Professor
                  Find me at least one concrete shelter at the base?

                  That's when they come to the base, then scream.
                  In the meantime, better tell us where the Americans fired for the whole year, but they never got anywhere. 7000 sorties, from ISIS were only supposed to stay slippers.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 7 October 2015 08: 19
                    10 th
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Probably those whom the media will not show and will not tell.

                    ... and what does Russia simply not have? wink
                    I can not understand. The bourgeoisie (USA, Germany, Israel) have means of protection for airfields, but they are also stupid and dig in like crazy. request

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's when they come to the base, then scream.

                    Then it will be too late to scream.

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    In the meantime, better tell us where the Americans fired for the whole year, but they never got anywhere. 7000 sorties, from ISIS were only supposed to stay slippers.

                    The Americans simply do not have Kiselyov and Solovyov who tell how Eagle was broken after a dozen sorties. lol
                    1. Das Boot
                      Das Boot 7 October 2015 08: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      The Americans simply do not have Kiselyov and Solovyov who tell how Eagle was broken after a dozen sorties.

                      winning stories are needed propaganda at the start of the campaign. Sooner or later, I think, it will become a routine and will gradually fall out of the attention of the layman. Will return when, God forbid, losses occur. But the reaction will be different.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 10: 02
                      12
                      Quote: Professor
                      ... and what does Russia simply not have?

                      I didn’t know damn it. You even inform Mossad, otherwise they don’t even have such info as you own.
                      Quote: Professor
                      The Americans simply do not have Kiselev and Nightingale who tell how it was broken

                      Americans have the State Department, CNN, McKein, a psychoanalyst, a stock exchange, and a computer. There is no need for a bigger ordinary American.
                      And one more conclusion from what you wrote, as I understand it, you don’t miss a single show of Solovyov and Kissel-meritorious, meritorious laughing
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 October 2015 16: 41
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Americans have the State Department, CNN, McKein, a psychoanalyst, a stock exchange, and a computer. There is no need for a bigger ordinary American.
                        - Alexander, how could you forget Fox News? The one that in Moscow dug palm trees in due time, and the square in Qatar gave out as the Libyan area wassat laughing
                        And why didn’t we mention our beauty Psaki? Kiselev with Solovyov just nervously smoking on the sidelines laughing
                        Oh, and by the way, something the professor really doesn’t like Solovyov - meanwhile, he’s also kosher comrades, therefore ayah! - Professor violates taboos! It is obliged to praise Solovyov, and Wasserman, and Kedmi. You know, professor, your strength is in unity, and here you are arranging confusion and reeling. Well, almost like goyim laughing
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 October 2015 16: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Americans have the State Department, CNN, McKein, a psychoanalyst, a stock exchange, and a computer. There is no need for a bigger ordinary American.
                        - Alexander, how could you forget Fox News? The one that in Moscow dug palm trees in due time, and the square in Qatar gave out as the Libyan area wassat laughing
                        And why didn’t we mention our beauty Psaki? Kiselev with Solovyov just nervously smoking on the sidelines laughing
                        Oh, and by the way, something the professor really doesn’t like Solovyov - meanwhile, he’s also kosher comrades, therefore ayah! - Professor violates taboos! It is obliged to praise Solovyov, and Wasserman, and Kedmi. You know, professor, your strength is in unity, and here you are arranging confusion and reeling. Well, almost like goyim laughing
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                    4. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 7 October 2015 12: 25
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      The Americans simply do not have Kiselyov and Solovyov who tell how Eagle was broken after a dozen sorties. lol

                      And how can Kiselev and Solovyov help? How is the ISIS construction industry "ditched"? The Americans will smear all excavators on the sand and the terrorists will have nowhere to hide. It is then that the coalition will celebrate the victory. Not funny.
                    5. Rrrj
                      Rrrj 7 October 2015 16: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Etc.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      That's when they come to the base, then scream.

                      Then it will be too late to scream.
                      Etc.

                      And you, dear business?
                      + There is, everything is there - whoever goes with this iron ingot will be covered halfway. The only option is to shoot from a wooden gun \ barrel - hehe - though the destroyers of legends have already checked - they say x ... it works.
                    6. Bort radist
                      Bort radist 7 October 2015 19: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      The Americans simply do not have Kiselev and Nightingale who tell .....

                      That's why the Americans have a "Professor"! We confess in places Kiselev and Solovyov nervously smoke on the sidelines. request
                      1. Hello
                        Hello 7 October 2015 19: 28
                        +1

                        Oh wei professor speaking on television? Tell the channel to take a look too bully
                  2. Das Boot
                    Das Boot 7 October 2015 08: 32
                    +7
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    7000 sorties; ISIS should have only slippers left.

                    57. Some sources are about 000. So - not even slippers. Dust. laughing
                  3. Good me
                    Good me 7 October 2015 08: 33
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's when they come to the base, then scream.
                    In the meantime, better tell us where the Americans fired for the whole year, but they never got anywhere. 7000 sorties, from ISIS were only supposed to stay slippers.

                    Silence, professor ... It is clear. If we were talking about the Iron Dome ...
                    1. Rrrj
                      Rrrj 7 October 2015 16: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Good I
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      That's when they come to the base, then scream.
                      In the meantime, better tell us where the Americans fired for the whole year, but they never got anywhere. 7000 sorties, from ISIS were only supposed to stay slippers.

                      Silence, professor ... It is clear. If we were talking about the Iron Dome ...

                      What are you, dear - this is nonsense in the world - you can’t joke like that - gygygs wassat
                  4. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 7 October 2015 09: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's when they come to the base, then scream.

                    As they say - time will tell. Then the comments will be relevant hi
                2. _Krechet_
                  _Krechet_ 7 October 2015 09: 59
                  +5
                  I am not a military man, but I can make the assumption that it is much easier to cover the base by monitoring the surrounding territories with the help of drones. Run with a dozen and watch for inexpensive. This will be an active defense, not a passive one, like caponiers.
                3. WUA 518
                  WUA 518 7 October 2015 10: 15
                  +7
                  Quote: Professor
                  Alexander, what did you cover with?

                  We look at the photo, next to the "mixer".
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 7 October 2015 10: 46
                    0
                    Quote: WUA 518
                    We look at the photo, next to the "mixer".

                    And is this papelats capable of providing 24/7 cover from NURSs and artillery shells?

                    Quote: Bongo
                    If for Su-24M and M2 in Khurba, concrete concrete shelters were constructed (pictured) which is not available at the airfield in Syria.

                    And I’m just about that.
                    1. WUA 518
                      WUA 518 7 October 2015 10: 55
                      +5
                      Quote: Professor
                      cover from NURSs and artillery shells?

                      The professor has not yet come up with a better cover from ground fire than monitoring and patrolling the adjacent territory. I am more annoyed that the locals are hanging around the base. This is a real threat.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 7 October 2015 10: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: WUA 518
                        The professor has not yet come up with a better cover from ground fire than monitoring and patrolling the adjacent territory. I am more annoyed that the locals are hanging around the base. This is a real threat.

                        Here you have another photo 20 km east of the base. Who can patrol and control all this?
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 October 2015 22: 53
                        0
                        Yes, anti-personnel mines will fill up all this, and those that respond only to human steps.
                      3. carbofo
                        carbofo 4 November 2015 21: 13
                        0
                        Well-trained little animals and secrets, even a trained person with arms will not always be able to have time to do something.
                        And the detection system in animals is hundreds of meters, even if you are hiding.
                        Then there are thermal imagers, seismic sensors, acoustic sensors, night vision devices, field radar systems, even your worms will not creep if everything is properly organized!
                    2. Bort radist
                      Bort radist 7 October 2015 19: 23
                      0
                      Quote: WUA 518
                      It bothers me more that the locals hang around the base.

                      Hopefully intelligence has returned.
              2. Bongo
                Bongo 7 October 2015 10: 19
                +6
                Quote: Professor
                Find me at least one concrete shelter at the base?

                I drove past Khurba today, once again convinced how vulnerable the aircraft are at the airport. sad If for Su-24M and M2 in Khurba, concrete concrete shelters were constructed (pictured) which is not available at the airfield in Syria.

                But such giants as An-12 and IL-76 cannot be hidden in cover. In Libya and Yemen, quite a few planes were burned during shelling and bombing at airfields.

                1. aleks 62 next
                  aleks 62 next 7 October 2015 16: 56
                  +3
                  .... Passed by Khurba today, once again convinced ...

                  ... Khurba is a unique case .... Such shelters, even at that time, were few ... (there is one wing of the gate - 120 tons) .... There were mainly earthen caponiers with an embankment ...
              3. olegactor
                olegactor 7 October 2015 10: 49
                0
                strategist ... but I forgot about the marines ... 1500 people .... from n ... owls in Iraq, they are covering up the base ... less than the people ... and about the downed planes ... 1-2 for 10 years
              4. Rus2012
                Rus2012 7 October 2015 10: 59
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Find me at least one concrete shelter at the base?

                ... that means they're not going to "stand there forever."
                Or over time, everything will be done permanently as "in case of a nuclear war": with caponiers, shelters and "bounces"
              5. Alex77
                Alex77 7 October 2015 20: 09
                0
                Here the professor is perhaps right.
          2. tlauicol
            tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 57
            +4
            probably the videoconferencing system knows for certain that the militants do not have a single rifle with armor-piercing incendiary cartridges soldier Broken
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 7 October 2015 09: 05
            +4
            So informants sit in every aul, but they hear out not one by one, sniff out, look out ... yes, what can I do with you again, you’re smarter than the Russian General Staff ... I’m shocked, mossad and waved learn from your textbooks ...)))?
            1. Rrrj
              Rrrj 7 October 2015 16: 49
              0
              Quote: igorka357
              So informants sit in every aul, but they hear out not one by one, sniff out, look out ... yes, what can I do with you again, you’re smarter than the Russian General Staff ... I’m shocked, mossad and waved learn from your textbooks ...)))?

              Great Obama himself takes lessons - gygy wassat
          4. tlauicol
            tlauicol 7 October 2015 09: 35
            0
            too close need to fit constipation
          5. ism_ek
            ism_ek 7 October 2015 15: 25
            +1
            Latakia is the homeland of Assad. The entire local population supports Russia. There is no terrorist underground.
            A mountain range separates the base from the "front line". The number of passes is limited. Most likely they are all controlled by the Marine Corps. The dominant heights are also protected. Therefore, they sit quietly.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 7 October 2015 20: 27
              0
              Quote: ism_ek
              Most likely they are all controlled by the Marine Corps. The dominant heights are also protected. Therefore, they sit calmly.

              Most likely the "specialists" are working there, while the General Staff was planning an operation.
      4. Rus2012
        Rus2012 7 October 2015 10: 56
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        contrary to the opinion of the layman, they require competent use, maintenance and consumables.

        + more "early warning" about the direction of the aircraft's appearance. For the "start-up time" is also limited.
    3. Homo
      Homo 7 October 2015 07: 20
      12
      Quote: Professor
      MANPADS are an expensive thing. It will be much cheaper for them to use the Katyusha at the airfield itself. The 40 km zone around it is not sterile. And children like to put PU cooked from the corners, connect a timer from a washing machine or microwave and tear. Cheap and cheerful.

      "If you are so smart, why don't you go in formation?" I see you are such a cool analyst and strategist, and those who are planning an operation in Syria are so-so, guys from the street. And before your statement, they did not know that they could creep up, drive up and fire. And beyond the perimeter of the airfield, they do not see or control. am
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 October 2015 14: 41
      0
      Quote: Professor
      MANPADS are an expensive thing. It will be much cheaper for them to use the Katyusha at the airfield itself. The 40 km zone around it is not sterile. And children like to put PU cooked from the corners, connect a timer from a washing machine or microwave and tear. Cheap and cheerful.

      As I understand it, someone wants to make their own little gesheft and offer us to buy a little expensive Iron Dome, but missiles will not run out in its launchers? wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 7 October 2015 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        As I understand it, someone wants to make their own little gesheft and offer us to buy a little expensive Iron Dome, but missiles will not run out in its launchers?

        1. Do not judge others by yourself.
        2. LCD is not for sale right now. War itself is on the nose.
        1. Rrrj
          Rrrj 7 October 2015 16: 51
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Alexey RA
          As I understand it, someone wants to make their own little gesheft and offer us to buy a little expensive Iron Dome, but missiles will not run out in its launchers?

          Etc.
          2. LCD is not for sale right now. War itself is on the nose.

          But sadness is a misfortune - we will be without - having no analogues in the world - damn it.
    5. Conn
      Conn 7 October 2015 18: 31
      +1
      They are patrolled around the clock by the very Mi-24 (Mi-35) and Mi-8, plus the Syrian army checkpoints, plus the mobile groups of our soldiers, plus intelligence from space and much more. Your fantasies come in handy hohlopitekam!
  2. alexander 2
    alexander 2 7 October 2015 06: 59
    +2
    Of course they will. But here nature itself is on our side. There were mountains in Avgan, and here is a desert where it is much more difficult to hide.
    1. region46
      region46 7 October 2015 10: 31
      +3
      one Jew is smarter than our General Staff ..... well, damn it, as in a joke
  3. Rus2012
    Rus2012 7 October 2015 10: 49
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    Attempts with MANPADS will be all the same.

    The American "Stinger", the expert notes, can hit targets at an altitude of five thousand meters.

    ... I wonder what kind of stringers are these?
    As you know, the most modern FIM-92 "Stinger"
    has a height of max - 3800 m
    Firing Range: 200-4500 m

    Domestic Willow, the most advanced MANPADS in the world -
    GRAU index - 9K333, rocket - 9М336, designed to hit low-flying air targets in oncoming and catch-up courses under the influence of false thermal noise. It is highly likely to hit low-emitting targets - cruise missiles and UAVs. The 9M336 missile of the 9K333 complex is equipped with an infrared tri-band homing head, a solid-fuel engine that allows you to hit air targets at ranges up to 6 km and at altitudes up to 4,5 km.
  4. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 7 October 2015 17: 02
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    Attempts with MANPADS will be all the same.

    By the way, according to the German wave, there was a radio broadcasting some kind of airfield firing hail from surrounding heights
  5. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 7 October 2015 17: 20
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    Experts are not inclined to overestimate the capabilities of “IG” and believe that the militants will not be able to shoot down Russian aircraft on takeoff and landing on the airfield. The experience of Afghanistan is not forgotten.


    Oleg, hello.
    I would very much like to believe in it, but for this it is necessary to protect the take-off-landing-climb zone, like the apple of an eye.
    Attempts with MANPADS will be all the same.

    Recently, the Vesti 24 program showed how Russian helicopter pilots in pairs fly around the territory adjacent to the military base at an altitude of 5-10 m. And this happens around the clock. And, I think, not one pair of helicopters.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 7 October 2015 06: 14
    +5
    The operation should have been called "Shock and Awe", after its start, many "allies" were seized by shock, and many awe smile
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 7 October 2015 12: 29
      +1
      Ugh on you. And if they all got diarrhea?
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 7 October 2015 13: 23
        +1
        Well, then the operation "Diarrhea and scrofula" repeat
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 06: 18
    17
    I believe this weapon does not pose a threat to the Su-24M, and even more so to the Su-30SM and Su-34. I think in this case it is quite possible to assume a zero percentage of losses ”
    Assad lost half of his planes in the sky. So don’t say gop until you jump over.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 October 2015 06: 26
      +5
      hi
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Assad lost half of his planes in the sky. So don’t say gop until you jump over.
      Yes, our pilots and those who are planning operations should not relax. They are not using air defense systems now, but they can do so at any time. It is quite possible, I repeat "possibly", that somewhere now, in the sultry Arabian sands, specialists from the "moderate opposition" are being trained to work on modern air defense systems
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 7 October 2015 06: 56
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Assad lost half of his planes in the sky.

      Yeah, and not without the help of Turkey and Israel. Borefoot shot down mainly helicopters and low-flying aircraft.
    3. Good me
      Good me 7 October 2015 08: 58
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Assad lost half of his planes in the sky. So don’t say gop until you jump over.


      Probably, the addition will not be amiss. A lot of the air fleet available in the Syrian Air Force was lost even before the war, due to problems with repair and maintenance. The skeletons of planes that have not already flown, we saw in the photo from the airbases captured by the Basmachi.

      And what flew (and flies so far) is already hopelessly outdated, plus, possibly, some tactical miscalculations in planning air strikes, or reckless pilots.

      I am writing about "recklessness" only because I do not know the qualifications of the pilots, their level of training. Perhaps inexperience also contributed to the losses ...
  • valokordin
    valokordin 7 October 2015 06: 21
    +8
    The experience of the war in Afghanistan is not forgotten, just as the delivery of air defense means to the souls of our partners is not forgotten. It remains, taking advantage of the time factor, to sharply intensify hostilities both in the sky and on the ground. Allah help us.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 7 October 2015 06: 25
    +2
    Stingers are good near airfields. In the desert, getting to the takeoff is a completely different rebus than in the highlands of Afghanistan. It will be seen.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 06: 41
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      In the desert, getting to the takeoff is a completely different rebus than in the highlands of Afghanistan.

      Is Latakia a desert? wink
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 7 October 2015 10: 00
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: shinobi
        In the desert, getting to the takeoff is a completely different rebus than in the highlands of Afghanistan.

        Is Latakia a desert? wink


        laughing normal.
        Quote: shinobi
        .In the desert, get close to take-off

        ... on the beach to get to the take-off ....
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 10: 07
          +1
          Quote: Das Boot
          ... on the beach to get to the take-off ....

          Why on the beach? To the east of the mountain with zelenka.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 October 2015 10: 07
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Is Latakia a desert?

        I also think, where is the desert? Especially on the right.
        (clickable)
  • alex-cn
    alex-cn 7 October 2015 06: 29
    +5
    If you consider how many all kinds of weapons (including MANPADS) disappeared without a trace in Libya, then I would not be as optimistic as some experts. The militants are not fools either, they will begin to disperse, disguise themselves, snuggle up
  • Platonich
    Platonich 7 October 2015 06: 37
    +1
    Quote: alex-cn
    If you consider how many all kinds of weapons (including MANPADS) disappeared without a trace in Libya, then I would not be as optimistic as some experts. The militants are not fools either, they will begin to disperse, disguise themselves, snuggle up

    They are already hiding with equipment in the settlements.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 7 October 2015 06: 39
    +2
    Ishil could have brought the RBS 70 from Iran - he will get it at 5000m. Or from Tunisia, Pakistan, SAR, Bahrain - there are many "well-wishers".
  • ssn18
    ssn18 7 October 2015 06: 40
    +2
    In the meantime: "It became known about the arrival of the newest Krasukha-4 electronic warfare systems of the Russian armed forces in Syria."
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1444151618
    Now, I think, the use of MANPADS will be at least ineffective.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 06: 47
      +2
      Quote: ssn18
      In the meantime: "It became known about the arrival of the newest Krasukha-4 electronic warfare systems of the Russian armed forces in Syria."
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1444151618
      Now, I think, the use of MANPADS will be at least ineffective.

      What is the relationship of rubella with MANPADS? fool
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 7 October 2015 06: 56
        +4
        Now they’ll write about Khibiny, wait
      2. ssn18
        ssn18 7 October 2015 07: 09
        0
        1. Turn on the brain.
        2. Internet to help repeat .
      3. tracker
        tracker 7 October 2015 08: 03
        -1
        direct and not only Krasukha is there, active GOS lose control and go out
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 08: 20
          0
          Quote: Pathfinder
          direct and not only Krasukha is there, active GOS lose control and go out

          Active GOS at MANPADS? lol
          1. tracker
            tracker 7 October 2015 08: 23
            +1
            and inactive too? watch the video about "Vitebsk" and your hopes for stingers will not come true
        2. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 7 October 2015 08: 23
          +3
          Quote: Pathfinder
          active GOS lose control and go out

          and where on active MANPADS?
          1. tracker
            tracker 7 October 2015 08: 34
            -1
            and where did I say that active GOS at MANPADS? and to extinguish MANPADS there are funds already in Syria
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 7 October 2015 08: 35
              +1
              Quote: Pathfinder
              and where did I say that active GOS at MANPADS?

              So others on that theater are not and are not expected
      4. Mister22408
        Mister22408 7 October 2015 10: 26
        0
        ... both electrons run around.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 October 2015 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: ssn18
      the use of MANPADS will be at least ineffective.

      How does a thermal MANPADS depend on the use of electronic warfare?
  • Gerasim
    Gerasim 7 October 2015 06: 42
    0
    Russia is fighting in Syria not with IS, but with the United States. This is not good, but the Stingers are also not a gift. But what the United States is preparing as a "gift" for Russia, what is being used to equip the "IS army", probably the whole world will soon find out!
  • Glot
    Glot 7 October 2015 06: 44
    +3
    I think that the Igilovites could well be provided by their owners with something modern and compact in terms of combating aviation. That would run on our planes, and try to drop our image.
    So do not relax in this regard.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 7 October 2015 10: 03
      0
      Quote: Glot
      I think that their owners can provide something modern to the Ishilovites

      from nowhere modern air defense systems are not taken. Everything can be tracked and set the source.
      1. Glot
        Glot 7 October 2015 12: 10
        0
        from nowhere modern air defense systems are not taken. Everything can be tracked and set the source.


        You can, if you try hard, and so what? Never mind.
      2. Glot
        Glot 7 October 2015 12: 10
        0
        from nowhere modern air defense systems are not taken. Everything can be tracked and set the source.


        You can, if you try hard, and so what? Never mind.
  • 1304
    1304 7 October 2015 06: 51
    +1
    Interestingly, the President-S system is used on aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria.
    http://topwar.ru/77220-kret-pristupil-k-proizvodstvu-sistem-bortovoy-oborony-pre
    zident-s-dlya-samoletov.html
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 7 October 2015 07: 13
    0
    I hope our pilots do not have to face the manpads and would like to wish the guys a speedy return home!
    But if we assume that work out of a bow or crossbow on takeoff and landing? What will be? laughing
    Do you get scratches? laughing
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 7 October 2015 07: 19
    +1
    When exchanging data, states are more likely to palm off misinformation and send them into ambushes.
    Not in the heat of emotion (the crocodiles will groan them) from them already sounded threats about the loss of Russian aircraft in the war against their hired gangs.
    These are scripts that they already thought out.
    Therefore, arms will provide (their) and misinformation to Russia.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 7 October 2015 19: 31
      0
      Quote: nikolaev
      When exchanging data, states are more likely to palm off misinformation and send them into ambushes.

      So then they also want to establish contacts with them in order to know where not to bomb and where not to fly laughing
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 October 2015 21: 50
      0
      Quote: nikolaev
      When exchanging data, states are more likely to palm off misinformation and send them into ambushes.

      All that is required of well-wishers is not to get into the zone of responsibility of Russia.
      We’ll figure it out ourselves with intelligence
  • Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 7 October 2015 07: 42
    0
    If they dare to bring down our planes, we must shoot down their planes in Afghanistan. Send a group and land everything that flies.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 7 October 2015 07: 49
      -1
      where will the group be based? shoot down then in the Baltic states - there to our border 0 (zero) km - and nothing fly!
      1. max702
        max702 7 October 2015 10: 48
        0
        Quote: Tlauicol
        where will the group be based?

        But this is the work of "special services" .. So that there is a result, but no questions .. Those who need to understand everything, okay. Drying will fall here ... in Afghanistan, Qatar, or else where Boeing will fall ... Two or three such exchanges and silence will come ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 October 2015 07: 50
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    There is no need to be an analyst. Judging by how the equipment was built at the airport (without caponiers and shelters) they did not think about shelling.

    And you, it turns out, know exactly how you built the technique? Even your "Massad" is now scratching his turnips, but "Professor" already knows and sees everything. You don't have to be an analyst here to avoid feeling Zionism and not love for Russia in almost every comment you make.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 07: 54
      15 th
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And you, it turns out you know exactly how the equipment was built?

      And you do not see how to build?

      Quote: rotmistr60
      There is no need to be an analyst, so that in almost every comment you do not feel Zionism and not love for Russia.

      He would have disliked Russia, would have rubbed his hands from the apparent stupidity of planning an operation in Syria.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 08: 04
        10
        Quote: Professor
        would rub his hands from the sheer stupidity of planning an operation in Syria.

        Here he is alone, smarter than all of our General Staff good Well, in any case, he himself thinks so lol
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 08: 23
          -5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Here he is alone, smarter than all of our General Staff

          The clever Genshatab already once exhibited the equipment exactly in a row in the same region which was subsequently destroyed on the ground in a matter of minutes. Now we went in the second round.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 08: 49
            0
            Quote: Professor

            Clever Genshatab already once exhibited equipment exactly in a row in the same region which was subsequently destroyed on the ground in a matter of minutes

            Now, if anyone can destroy it, only the United States, and this is a warrior in whom you do not believe. Or what did you believe?
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 October 2015 08: 58
              -8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Now, if anyone can destroy it, only the United States, and this is a warrior in whom you do not believe. Or what did you believe?

              1. Since there are airplanes today, they can be destroyed from the ground in one gulp. And they will do it once and for all.
              2. Airplanes without identification marks in Latakia have already seen. It is expected that Tornadoes or Falcons without identification marks will burn all your equipment in one go.
              3. There will be no nuclear war.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 09: 09
                +8
                Quote: Professor
                they can be destroyed from the ground in one gulp. And they will do

                I am stocking up with pop corn, I'm waiting. When will it be fucked? - You lighthouse, what would I not miss.
                Quote: Professor
                . It is expected that Tornadoes or Falcons without identification marks will burn all your equipment in one go.
                And the Junkers museum in the air lift.

                Yes, and from Topolya we also erased the identification marks.
                Quote: Professor
                3. There will be no nuclear war.

                Well, fine, we continue to bomb .... Americans continue to whine .... and you continue to fantasize. laughing
                1. ssergn
                  ssergn 7 October 2015 10: 10
                  +3
                  Well, prof, what’s what, and the air defense base is provided for anyone, and I think everything is done as an adult. Therefore, about the Falcons is in vain.
                2. Rrrj
                  Rrrj 7 October 2015 16: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Etc.
                  Quote: Professor
                  . It is expected that Tornadoes or Falcons without identification marks will burn all your equipment in one go.
                  And the Junkers museum in the air lift.

                  Yes, and from Topolya we also erased the identification marks.
                  Quote: Professor
                  3. There will be no nuclear war.

                  Well, fine, we continue to bomb .... Americans continue to whine .... and you continue to fantasize. laughing

                  Wahahah wassat I will not say a clown (not culturally) - I will say a clowning.
        2. rumpeljschtizhen
          rumpeljschtizhen 7 October 2015 10: 53
          +1
          because the equipment and personnel are not really hidden again at random.
          That you will write when they hit the airfield and there will be losses ... what are the machinations of the Zionists ???
      2. bulvas
        bulvas 7 October 2015 08: 27
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        would rub his hands from the sheer stupidity of planning an operation in Syria.



        Amazing confidence that all normal specialists from Russia have left,

        and those who stayed are complete mediocrity


        1. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 08: 38
          -5
          Quote: bulvas
          Amazing confidence that all normal specialists from Russia have left,

          "normal specialists" lined up the equipment in a row like at a parade in belligerent Syria, and even a tanker between the planes was placed as a "control shot." fool
          1. Mister22408
            Mister22408 7 October 2015 10: 32
            -1
            This was a photo shoot for low-orb optics partners.
          2. WUA 518
            WUA 518 7 October 2015 11: 25
            16
            Quote: Professor
            "normal specialists" lined up equipment in a row
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 October 2015 11: 36
              +1
              Quote: WUA 518
              Quote: Professor
              "normal specialists" lined up equipment in a row

              At the parade, and not so line up. But this is only in the parade. And in everyday life like that
              1. WUA 518
                WUA 518 7 October 2015 11: 42
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                At the parade, and not so line up.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 7 October 2015 11: 56
                  -2
                  Oh well. Find at least one in the open. wink
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 12: 07
                    +4
                    Quote: Professor
                    Oh well. Find at least one in the open.

                    And why google photo for 2011? No fresher? T And it’s stupid to compare an un-equipped airfield with the Israeli base, which has been built for decades.
                    And then, put a photo, the old one, where the planes are without cover. You showed me a year and a half ago on the site.
                    And yes, you still haven’t answered where the Americans flew 57000 sorties ??? You set a minus, but will there be arguments?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 7 October 2015 12: 44
                      -6
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And why google photo for 2011? No fresher? T And it’s stupid to compare an un-equipped airfield with the Israeli base, which has been built for decades.

                      Ring that Google gives that I show.
                      Now the military airfield of Latakia was "unequipped". What have you "equipped" it over the years? After all, you have a "base" there? wink


                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And then, put a photo, the old one, where the planes are without cover. You showed me a year and a half ago on the site.

                      What are you talking about?

                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And yes, you still haven’t answered where the Americans flew 57000 sorties ??? You set a minus, but will there be arguments?

                      I don’t remember to minus, but I’m not going to answer for the Americans. Whoever they want to bomb is their business. They don’t ask anyone for permission. God be their judge.

                      Quote: Good Me
                      And here

                      And here all parking is not protected.

                      Quote: WUA 518
                      Well, we also have airfields with arched shelters, there are derogations. But they always fly with the central heating center.

                      It should be so. Only here in Latakia they are waiting for some majahed or a militia to bang on them.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 13: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        ". What have you" equipped "it over the years? After all, you have a" base "there?

                        We arrived there only in August ...... you write as if you are envious.
                        Quote: Professor
                        What are you talking about?

                        I do not want to search in your comments myself
                        Quote: Professor
                        I don’t remember minus, but I’m not going to answer for the Americans

                        Once a minus set, then I do not agree. And for amers it’s silent, and soon you’ll erase your fingers. God is our judge.
                        Quote: Professor
                        . Only here in Latakia they are waiting for some majahed or a militia to bang on them.

                        Huh, aren't you tired?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 7 October 2015 13: 35
                        -3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        We arrived there only in August ...... you write as if you are envious.

                        The "base" has been there since the time of the Tsar of the Peas, but what is there to envy?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I do not want to search in your comments myself

                        I do not understand what you mean?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Once a minus set, then I do not agree. And for amers it’s silent, and soon you’ll erase your fingers. God is our judge.

                        What am I to say for amers? They are bombing Ishil, IMHO they are doing it right. Is it possible to defeat Ishil by military means and even more by bombing? No. Regarding "God is our judge" - what is allowed to Jupiter ... well, further in the text.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Huh, aren't you tired?

                        Say the king is naked? No, not tired.
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 14: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        The base "has been there since the time of the King of Peas,

                        After all, you know that you're lying, but you're lying, why?
                        Quote: Professor
                        They bomb Ishil, IMHO they do it right.

                        And they bomb yes? -I didn’t just think they didn’t bomb, well, since you say ......
                        Quote: Professor

                        Say the king is naked? No, not tired.

                        The naked king, strange, but what did Bibi go to Moscow with the speed of a stoned cockroach to the naked king to Moscow? Is it a thing to buy?
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 7 October 2015 15: 06
                        -3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        After all, you know that you're lying, but you're lying, why?

                        I'm not lying. "Base" in Syria since Soviet times. Since 1971.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And they bomb yes? -I didn’t just think they didn’t bomb, well, since you say ......

                        They say that it’s Isil who is being bombed. It seems yours did not deny it. There is even a view.



                        That’s what they say about your Turks.
                        Turkish Prime Minister said that only two out of 57 Russian aircraft strikes in Syria fell on the "Islamic State"
                        But I don’t believe the Turks.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The naked king, strange, but what did Bibi go to Moscow with the speed of a stoned cockroach to the naked king to Moscow? Is it a thing to buy?

                        Did I say your [deleted] naked king? Defending your base is the naked king (just like the Jew Schwartz). wink
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 15: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        I'm not lying. "Base" in Syria since Soviet times. Since 1971.

                        Well, everything is clear, without comments
                        Quote: Professor
                        But I don’t believe the Turks.

                        Well, why, they don’t lie.
                        Quote: Professor
                        Defending your base is the naked king (just like the Jew Schwartz).

                        Why haven’t they still fired at her?
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 7 October 2015 17: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, everything is clear, without comments

                        I am glad that everything is clear.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, why, they don’t lie.

                        Their leaders do not deserve my trust.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Why haven’t they still fired at her?

                        And thank God. Are you in a hurry somewhere?
            2. WUA 518
              WUA 518 7 October 2015 13: 49
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              It should be so. Only in Latakia they are waiting

              Oleg, I don’t think that the mixer and the concrete pouring machine just stand there for entourage.
            3. Professor
              Professor 7 October 2015 14: 00
              0
              Quote: WUA 518
              Oleg, I don’t think that the mixer and the concrete pouring machine just stand there for entourage.

              Why? Normally pour concrete. SAM, as expected, guards the airfield.
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 7 October 2015 18: 44
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Now the military airfield of Latakia was "unequipped". What have you "equipped" it over the years? After all, you have a "base" there?

            Ahem ... Are you a troll or don't you really see the difference between Latakia and Tartus?

            The base, or rather 720 PMITO Navy, was in Tartus - a piece of the mooring wall, warehouses and a workshop with tugboats. Our base in Latakia was left in 1991. Until recently, we did not have an airfield in Syria.
          4. Professor
            Professor 7 October 2015 18: 59
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Ahem ... Are you a troll or don't you really see the difference between Latakia and Tartus?

            Hmm ... And which airfield served this base in Tartus?
          5. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 October 2015 10: 13
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Hmm ... And which airfield served this base in Tartus?

            Aerodro? Until recently, the entire "base" was there - 4 people of constant l / s, 2 berths, headquarters, barracks, 2 warehouses and several utility buildings. All the rest - temporarily based on Tartus rear ships (variable composition from the composition of the Mediterranean connection).

            Tartus is precisely the PMTO: a harbor with minimal infrastructure for basing the floating rear of the fleet. All supply comes with this very rear and support vessels.
  • Good me
    Good me 7 October 2015 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Oh well. Find at least one in the open.


    And here ? wink lol
  • WUA 518
    WUA 518 7 October 2015 12: 22
    +3
    Well, we also have airfields with arched shelters, there are derogations. But they always fly with the central heating center.
  • carbofo
    carbofo 4 November 2015 21: 16
    0
    Do they even exist there?
  • rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 7 October 2015 10: 51
    -3
    That marazs "hurray for patriotism"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
      That marazs "hurray for patriotism"

      Well, what a pilot is up to you.
  • 1536
    1536 7 October 2015 07: 51
    +4
    The Afghan experience is not forgotten. Surely paid good answers and poultices. But McCain doesn’t know!
    1. tracker
      tracker 7 October 2015 08: 07
      +3
      there were already attempts to bring homemade MLRS, were discovered and eliminated in time, the perimeter control was organized even before the arrival of the bulk of the technicians and pilots
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 7 October 2015 07: 54
    +3
    To give information about the upcoming actions to the State Department is like transferring to ISIS.

    US Senator John McCain called the fighting in Syria "an" indirect war "between the United States and Russia. According to the Republican, Moscow began to treat Washington" with contempt and disdain ", as evidenced by the dispatch of Russian aircraft to help Bashar al-Assad" 48 hours after " meetings between Obama and Putin on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly. "
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/295346-rossiya-zaprosila-u-zapadnoy-koalici
    i-dannye-o-dislokacii-terroristov-v-sirii.html
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 October 2015 08: 07
      +2
      Quote: nikolaev
      To give information about the upcoming actions to the State Department is like transferring to ISIS.

      You give one coordinates, and then you hammer on other goals. We missed what to do winked
  • Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 7 October 2015 08: 03
    +2
    I wonder why in Syria they will not test mi 28 and ka 52 helicopters in real combat conditions?
  • Old26
    Old26 7 October 2015 08: 09
    0
    Quote: Amirbek
    most of the MANPADS have probably already been burned

    I would like to believe, but unlikely. We do not know how many ISIS had them initially, seizing the warehouses of the Iraqi army. It is not known how much "flowed" from Libya. Therefore, it is better to count on the fact that they have them, they are in sufficient quantity and of different types, incl. and ours.

    Quote: ssn18
    In the meantime: "It became known about the arrival in Syria of the newest Krasukha-4 electronic warfare systems of the Russian armed forces." Http://rusvesna.su/news/1444151618 Now, I think, the use of MANPADS will be at least ineffective.

    Well it started ... "Rubella-4" and MANPADS ... How could it be otherwise. She now, like "Khibiny" will be in "any hole plug"

    Quote: ssn18
    Turn on the brain. 2. Internet to help

    Exactly, they wrote correctly, indeed, before writing about "Rubella-4" it would really be worth at least to look at the Internet. Then they would know that this is a wide-range station of powerful noise interference, developed by order of the Strategic Missile Forces. Taking into account the specifics of these troops and delivered in the amount of 18 copies. Nah ... to the station created for the Strategic Missile Forces to drag to Syria? How can it help in the fight against MANPADS with IR seeker ???
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 October 2015 19: 01
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Exactly, they wrote correctly, indeed, before writing about "Rubella-4" it would really be worth at least to look at the Internet. Then they would know that this is a wide-range station of powerful noise interference, developed by order of the Strategic Missile Forces. Taking into account the specifics of these troops and delivered in the amount of 18 copies. Nah ... to the station created for the Strategic Missile Forces to drag to Syria? How can it help in the fight against MANPADS with IR seeker ???

      And who said that "Krasukha-4" is planned to be used against MANPADS?
      Electronic warfare station 1RL257 "Krasukha-4" is designed to counter airborne radars of strike, reconnaissance and unmanned aircraft of a conditional enemy.

      That is, it is protection against reconnaissance of our base by aviation radars and UAVs.
  • Old26
    Old26 7 October 2015 08: 11
    -2
    Quote: Socialism 2.0
    If they dare to bring down our planes, we must shoot down their planes in Afghanistan. Send a group and land everything that flies.

    Yeah. And stand on a par with terrorists? Yes. Is it possible to prove that it was the Stingers who were shot down? And if they get shot down "Needles"whose planes will "land" (everything that flies)?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 October 2015 10: 21
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Yeah. And stand on the same level with the terrorists?

      These methods are good when "village to village"! smile
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    3. max702
      max702 7 October 2015 10: 53
      -1
      There is a war going on, and we didn’t start it .. It is because of such cleanliness that our people are dying .. If the USSR would have erased a couple of "gas stations" in the Middle East in due time, you look and would not have collapsed, and how much they would have respected ..
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  • roofless
    roofless 7 October 2015 08: 13
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJeA0GWs8yQ
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  • roofless
    roofless 7 October 2015 08: 16
    +1
    Stingers will not help them, with such a protection system) EW Vitebsk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJeA0GWs8yQ

    PS
    The first comment I do not know how to get videos from YouTube
  • roofless
    roofless 7 October 2015 08: 16
    0
    Stingers will not help them, with such a protection system) EW Vitebsk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJeA0GWs8yQ

    PS
    The first comment I do not know how to get videos from YouTube
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 7 October 2015 08: 18
    0
    Quote: Gerasim
    Russia is fighting in Syria not with IS, but with the United States. This is not good, but the Stingers are also not a gift. But what the United States is preparing as a "gift" for Russia, what is being used to equip the "IS army", probably the whole world will soon find out!

    The United States seems to have abandoned the bad idea of ​​helping ISIS.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2015 08: 21
    0
    The experience of Afghanistan is not forgotten...As they say, God forbid ..
  • 75 hammer
    75 hammer 7 October 2015 08: 56
    0
    And something hail began to bullet for 40 km ????????? !!!!!!!!!! And talking about Kasana is generally funny
    , Professor your fly in the ointment should be more grounded! And provoking a discussion with unfounded shouts is not "professional"! Fu-fu!
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 October 2015 09: 07
      +1
      Quote: Hammer 75
      And something hail began to bullet at 40 km ?????????


      Well, somehow ... "Grad-M" or "Tornado", as it is also called, "shoots" just 40 km ...

      Another conversation, of course, is that we only have them in service (if I'm not mistaken).

      Although yesterday warrior from Israel, assured that the Arabs have something similar, just in the "Grad" caliber ...
  • Dimka off
    Dimka off 7 October 2015 08: 59
    0
    However, Russian combat aircraft are equipped with "heat traps." “I think our pilots will use them widely, hiding from MANPADS fire,” Gorbenko said.

    Is this a joke? Or is Gorbenko unaware that modern MANPADS have not been fooled by a heat trap for a long time?
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 October 2015 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Dimka off
      Is this a joke? Or is Gorbenko unaware that modern MANPADS have not been fooled by a heat trap for a long time?


      New, "multispectral" MANPADS, of course, cannot be fooled by the traditional "trap". But they also have authority.
    2. ism_ek
      ism_ek 7 October 2015 15: 00
      +1
      In principle, MANPADS have not changed since the time of the Afghan war. Well, the homing head has become more accurate, but having studied its characteristics, it is not difficult to pick up a heat trap for it.
      A new generation of portable anti-tank missiles, which work well on helicopters and UAVs, has appeared. You can't fool them with a heat trap
  • donavi49
    donavi49 7 October 2015 09: 03
    +3
    Pleased with these experts.

    In general, we must look at all the broads, and not at the IG. For even the jihadists are bombed. So, here everyone has:
    - The Osa-M air defense system, was captured by an 1 vehicle with a full BC - 6 missiles. At first we studied, and then they shot down 3 LA - 2 rotors and MiG-23. Since they were shooting, then all downed aircraft can be recorded on the Wasp, losses by the way are recognized. The car is not destroyed - just missiles ran out.

    - several TZM Cuba with missiles -

    - several C-75 items are incomplete.
    - MANPADS Needle from Assad warehouses.
    - MANPADS FN-6 from friends from Sudan.
    - MZA on 12,7-57mm.

    Assuming emergency assistance from the United States or sponsors, then it would be quite possible to be a Wasp, as the most Babahoustable and effective tool. A single cube will be knocked out by the moment, but the tenacious wasp and the broads were able to figure it out.

    Plus an accident, the other day in Gut they shot down a MiG-21 from an MZA or MANPADS. Yes, SAA bombed with a dagger on the cross, which makes it more vulnerable.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 7 October 2015 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      Single cube knock out

      Where does the "Cube" come from, dear?
      The "cube" was not exported ... Toko "square" 2K12E Which with a different system of recognition of nationality, which is understandable, the main thing is altered noise immunity, i.e. "we know the key."
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 October 2015 14: 45
        +1
        Well, not the point. The bottom line is that a cube-square, but at least Buk outbid where, it does not really help much.

        The wasp is more stable (tenacious) in those conditions and it has been mastered by the specialists available to the broads.

        That is, throwing missiles from Eastern Europe to Osa, or even a couple of Os, will be much more noticeable than the Stingers, if all the US decides to play this rather dangerous game.
        1. figter
          figter 7 October 2015 17: 59
          +1
          donavi49 UA Today, 14: 45 ↑
          Well, not the point. The bottom line is that a cube-square, but at least Buk outbid where, it does not really help much.
          The wasp is more stable (tenacious) in those conditions and it has been mastered by the specialists available to the broads.
          That is, throwing missiles from Eastern Europe to Osa, or even a couple of Os, will be much more noticeable than the Stingers, if all the US decides to play this rather dangerous game.

          Since when has the Osa air defense system become more tenacious than the Buk air defense system? "Wasp" is ancient, like a mammoth, lamp with a minimum level of noise immunity in the modern sense of this understanding. Any competently placed active interference will immediately crush the receiving device, no matter how you tune out the interference with the power and SDC settings. The only plus is its autonomy (that is, the ability to circularly detect targets and independently fire them) and the ability to fire from a short stop with fast movement. In terms of noise immunity, it is not even close to the Buk air defense system! The "Buk" complex is of a higher class and uses a more modern element base. With a competent commander (chief) of the crew, it is quite problematic to crush the Buk with interference. And in Georgia, in spite of the fact that there were stupid Papuans in the cars, the Buk was the only force that in any way hindered the flights of our aviation.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 7 October 2015 09: 26
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Why division? One rocket approximately every 30 minutes from different directions and see how this disrupts the combat activity of the group. You can’t stand in line in the canteen ...

    That’s why you need a ground cover for the airfield and from turntables, so that THIS would not be. In short, we'll see. The pros work there - they know how to do it.
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 7 October 2015 09: 41
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    The experience of Afghanistan is not forgotten.

    You should not rely on one Afghan experience, moreover, more than 20 years have passed and it is one thing to smash caravans in the mountains and the other to be able to work jewelery at headquarters, warehouses, etc. in populated cities
  • Old26
    Old26 7 October 2015 09: 57
    0
    Quote: roofless
    Stingers will not help them, with such a protection system) EW Vitebsk

    This is, as they say, "closer to the body". The Vitebsk component designed to protect MANPADS from the seeker will really play a role. But all the same, one should not absolutize a system that has not yet passed combat tests. Of course, it will be able to intercept the vast majority, but it should not be absolute.
    At one time, heat traps were considered a 100% guarantee of non-defeat of targets equipped with missiles with IR seeker. But nevertheless, sometimes "Rooks" with this system "caught" MANPADS missiles.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 7 October 2015 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      IR GOS

      Against IS, there is something different, an older version - "Lipa",
      Optoelectronic jamming stations.
      SOEP-V1A "Lipa" was a heating element (nichrome coil or xenon lamp) and a system of rotating lenses that created a pulsed stream of continuously moving infrared rays around the helicopter, causing the rocket's tracking system to swing. SOEP-V1A "Lipa" proved to be very effective from helicopters, more than once we observed how, deceived by "Lipa" and traps, the missile began to rush to the sides and explode in the distance, during testing it thwarted the attack with a probability close to 1, although it had "dead zones" below and did not fully provide protection from the Stingers ..
      There is something newer, for example, a laser station for optoelectronic suppression of the LSOEP of the President-S onboard defense complex
      “President-S” is designed to protect aircraft and helicopters from being hit by aircraft missile, anti-aircraft missile and anti-aircraft artillery systems by detecting the fact of threats and counteracting attacking means.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 7 October 2015 10: 03
    0
    Quote: jarome
    What are you all the same pontorez

    And he’s got a job to breed such a srach, it has surfaced, he’ve gotten something into the mud, but if it’s not work, then it’s probably a phobia, I’ve been watching him for a long time. a strange person, well, you don’t like what they write and discuss here, don’t go, you don’t necessarily get in, well, really a phobia or some kind of worse perversion.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 7 October 2015 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Alget87
      no, it’s sure to fit, well, really a phobia of some kind or worse, some kind of perversion.

      Maniac wassat
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 7 October 2015 10: 07
    +1
    Quote: Good Me
    Although, yesterday, a warrior from Israel assured

    Well, they will not rust behind them, they will soon sign the Iskanders to the Dushars, they are the "chosen of God" damn it.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 7 October 2015 10: 13
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Solovyov and Kissel-meritorious, meritorious

    He probably has a big cupid for them, a secret admirer, the poor fellow is toiling from unrequited love. lol
    1. castle
      castle 7 October 2015 12: 06
      +2
      Well done Alget87! Directly on the instructions of Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Public Education and Propaganda of Germany, for its employees, it works! I quote the Reich Minister: "Propaganda is always addressed only to the masses, and not to the intelligentsia, therefore its level should be guided by the perception abilities of the most limited among those whom it should influence." and "Propaganda should affect feeling more than reason, since the mass is essentially feminine, so feelings are more intelligible than thought." Well, for those who believe in the truth: "Propaganda should be limited to a minimum and repeat it constantly. Persistence is an important prerequisite for its success." and "Propaganda cannot be objective, it must be fundamentally subjective one-sided." (Goebbels quotes are taken from the Russian media).
      And yet, this is no longer Goebbels: "If Caesar needs your help, help him remove those who disagree with him. Can't you kill the truth, throw mud at the source of truth. And the praetorians, loyal to Caesar, then, in accordance with the wishes of those in power, the case complete, and you will receive a reward. "
  • IAlex
    IAlex 7 October 2015 10: 49
    0
    Well, if you sit and nurse and do not help with weapons, training and loot "opposition democratic terrorists / militias" in the countries occupied by the United States, then they will continue to beat in the face ...
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 October 2015 12: 53
    0
    To begin with, there is a reaction to every action. So there is a danger to the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria and will only increase every day in Syria.
    These are shelling of the territory of the airdrome by unguided missiles and the actions of sabotage groups and attacks on combat guards and espionage and ambushes from MANPADS on possible traffic routes, etc.
    I really hope that our General Staff constantly analyzes the situation and develops appropriate countermeasures .....
    Now the curators of the terrorists are recovering, counting, counting, practicing new tactics and be sure to lead their idiots into battle. So we’ll throw hats later, for years, peace will reign in the region.
  • Geser
    Geser 7 October 2015 13: 12
    0
    The West will not refuse to help ISIS, especially the Americans. After all, ISIS is the brainchild of the States. There is no doubt that MANPADS will be used by the militants. But besides MANPADS, the bandits may have more powerful air defense systems - French "Crotali", American "Patriots". It is very likely that Ukraine through the Saudis will sell the air defense systems it has in service to the ISIS, and even send its anti-aircraft gunners to help the bandits. So they already did in August of the eighth, then it was the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners who began to command the Georgian anti-aircraft complexes. So our aviation should strengthen its work, and the Syrian ground troops should quickly knock out the bandits and take their positions.
  • artura0911
    artura0911 7 October 2015 13: 17
    +2
    It seems to me that the "professor" was born in spite of Russia))))) Or to be more precise, as a child he probably lived in Russia and everyone was making fun of the bespectacled violinist. That's where the dislike for Russia grows.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 7 October 2015 13: 44
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, fine, we continue to bomb .... Americans continue to whine .... and you continue to fantasize.

    Well, yours tried to get closer to the Russian ab and for some reason, afterburner, rushed back to their native Israel, probably the missiles were rotten while they flew! Or maybe the Russian air defense told them that there was no need to fly there, eh? There are no caponiers - there was no time to build them, but the guards were not asleep - they constantly fly around the adjacent territory with the help of both UAVs and turntables, especially before flights. So you can't go there with equipment, and a single "stinger" can theoretically seep, but with all the bellicose statements of the "friends" you trained, for some reason this does not happen. I wonder why? The nearest warehouses have been destroyed, and there are no single heroes, apparently the latter are made only in Hollywood! The Professor's imagination is rich, but more and more reminiscent of a pyzhalka to discredit the actions of the Russian Federation on the BV.
    There are always dangers in war, but there are ways and methods to avoid and prevent them! Our hypocritical liberal pacifists are much more dangerous for the Russian Federation, unfortunately there are many of them in the circles of government! hi
  • nixon
    nixon 7 October 2015 14: 47
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    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Bayonet
    About this we somehow do not mention ....

    Yes, they don’t mention it - they just put the minus quietly ... smile
  • Idunavs
    Idunavs 7 October 2015 14: 48
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    Professor in this topic revealed the essence of all the troubles of the Jews, and it is that they seem to be smarter and more cunning than everyone else.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 7 October 2015 15: 06
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    Especially for the "professor", an article by Evgeny Satanovsky "We are going to the East" appeared on the next branch, if you do not make it difficult to get acquainted, this is the most professional and objective specialist in the Middle East, with the appropriate opportunities.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 October 2015 15: 09
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      Yevgeny Yanovich has been mowing lately under a fool. What is the reason I do not understand. The Saudis and Isil have the same thing with him, but he suddenly completely forgot Hezbollah ...
      1. Hello
        Hello 7 October 2015 15: 45
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Yevgeny Yanovich has been mowing lately under a fool. What is the reason I do not understand. The Saudis and Isil have the same thing with him, but he suddenly completely forgot Hezbollah ...

        It can be understood between the Wahhabis and the Ishilovites you cannot find the difference without a microscope. As for the Hezbollah, I agree. Yours faithfullyhi
        1. marshes
          marshes 7 October 2015 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: Hello
          It can be understood between the Wahhabis and the Ishilovites you cannot find the difference without a microscope. As for the Hezbollah, I agree. Yours faithfully

          Perhaps it’s time to explain to people. Who the Wahhabis-Saudi Arabia are, they do not seem to attack Israel, although there are tactical missiles from the PRC, perhaps TNW. And the Salafis are an international rabble from a socialist (communist) religious group, from the theme of the Proletariat, sorry Muslims, all countries unite. There Patrice Lumumba, ideology and preparation, smacks of. smile Gina, Hotabychy laughing , released back in the years 50-70,80 from the bottle, so they got stronger. And who knows how to drive them back into the lamp alone.
        2. Professor
          Professor 7 October 2015 17: 39
          +4
          Quote: Hello
          It can be understood between the Wahhabis and the Ishilovites you cannot find the difference without a microscope.

          This can be understood by us ordinary people when we cannot find such a difference, and it is not excusable to him as an expert.
  • marshes
    marshes 7 October 2015 16: 51
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    Funnyly, two days ago, he raised the topic of the use of NURSOV, MLRS against air groupings in Syria. So this topic is already being discussed. laughing Witness NEXUS, and who was then on the site, of ours.
    They brought Vietnam’s experience there somewhere, where they saw it. They used home-made NURSYs against low-flying helicopters, bamboo and Iroquois’s amers were used.
    Something like this, it seems, was shown in "The Apocalypse of Our Days", a good movie. There against the boat ...
    And since the human mind is "sharp-witted" There are other ways to knock down the turntable, but I will leave this for the army of Kazakhstan. laughing
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 7 October 2015 18: 20
    +1
    After reading some comments, you understand more and more the meaning of "why a woman is not allowed on the square," I think Kuzhugetovich, having read the comments, will radically change tactics, and vacancies will appear in the General Staff.
  • sagitch
    sagitch 7 October 2015 18: 51
    +3
    Marshals, generals and all, with and without experience. I read all the comments and seemed to be present at the meeting of the headquarters of ISIS. Enough stop talking ?! But they also know how to read!
  • da n ya 1914
    da n ya 1914 7 October 2015 20: 09
    +1
    I don’t know for sure, but the Stingers are already outdated and cannot effectively fight our planes.
    1. Shnd
      Shnd 11 October 2015 21: 03
      +1
      Not a fact, they also modernized it.