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In the press, there were frightening reports about the plans of the United States. Washington intends to place on the military airbase in Büchel (Germany, Rhineland-Palatinate) two dozen brand new atomic bombs of type B61-12. Similar weapons may appear in Turkey and Italy. Some German experts believe that such a move by the US administration is a deliberate provocation against Russia.




September 22 Russian Agency "Prime" with reference to the German television channel "ZDF" reported on the American nuclear weapons, which may appear in Germany.

The Büchel military airbase may receive twenty new B61-12 type aircraft bombs from the United States. By citing this information, the ZDF channel relies on documents on the US budget.

Some details leads RBC.

The deployment of atomic bombs is planned at the Büchel Air Force Base in Rhineland-Palatinate. From the third quarter of 2015, funds were allocated for the adaptation of bombs for the German fighter-bombers "Tornado". Arms experts indicated that these bombs are much more accurate than those currently stored in Büchel. And in the event of war, German pilots will have to lift cars loaded with American bombs into the air.

RBC cites the opinion of Hans Christensen from the Washington Nuclear Information Projects organization. He says that "with the advent of new bombs, the boundaries between tactical and strategic nuclear weapons began to blur."

In addition, the expert said that the Americans will deploy exactly the same weapons at Incirlik air bases in Turkey and Aviano in Italy. Now there is work on modernization.

But in March of the 2010 of the year the Bundestag decided that the federal government should “put pressure” on the USA with the aim of withdrawing American atomic weapons from Germany.

And now, the former parliamentary state secretary at the German Ministry of Defense, Willy Wimmer, told reporters on the television channel that the new “attacking options directed against Russia” are “a conscious provocation.”

The B61-12 bombs placed in Buchel are equal to eighty bombs dropped on Hiroshima. Tests of this weapon took place in the USA at the beginning of July, 2015, reminds RBC.

It looks like we add, the Americans are bringing the cold war to the hot stage. Yes, even so hot, after which little from the planet Earth will remain.

Of course, the bombs are served under the “Russian threat” sauce. What else could have prompted the White House to make such a decision? In fact, the “hegemon” did not intend to turn fraternal France into nuclear ashes or bomb peace-loving London.

The idea of ​​placing new bombs, I suppose, is a kind of test for Europe "for lice." If Germany, whose public and whose parliament against bombs have long objected, will accept weapons without question, then this will mean: America’s European affairs are in perfect order. But if the Germans and all the others participating in the NATO bloc and now burdened with bombs, will be indignant, gentlemen in Washington will draw the appropriate conclusions and take adequate measures.

What do Russian experts think on this topic?

“To begin with, the Western press deliberately lies when it talks about strengthening Russia's military presence in the world,” said "Free Press" TASS military observer, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin. - Even at our own western borders, we are not building up any military infrastructure. Yes, we often conduct military exercises, our combat aircraft more often fly where it is not prohibited: in neutral airspace. However, this is nothing more than an increase in the level of combat readiness of the Russian army, which is not at all aimed at intimidating NATO and Europe. ” “But it’s NATO,” the expert noted, “first of all, the USA is increasing armaments near our borders. It concerns tanksinfantry fighting vehicles aviation».

As for the idea of ​​deploying modernized atomic bombs in Germany, the expert believes that the Americans are trying to put pressure on Russia and at the same time “tie” their allies in Western Europe.

“They keep 200 atomic B61 free-fall bombs on six bases in five European countries: Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey,” the analyst recalled. - At the same time, military pilots of non-nuclear countries are taught how to use atomic weapons. This is a direct violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Moreover, the pilots of military aircraft stationed in the Baltic states are also taught how to use atomic bombs. ”

The expert also noted another violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons by the West: the North Atlantic Alliance created a nuclear planning committee that includes NATO's 27 countries, except France. In this committee, only two states have nuclear weapons: the United States and the United Kingdom, but the rest of the 25 countries are also involved in nuclear planning. Sergey Lavrov pointed out to the Americans these violations, but there was no clear reaction, the expert noted.

According to Litovkin, the placement of the B-61-12 bombs threatens Russia, since "aircraft bombed with atomic bombs looming in the sky of the Baltic states can be above Smolensk and Moscow in 15-20 minutes of flight."

The leading expert of the Center for Military-Political Studies of MGIMO, Mikhail Alexandrov, who also was interviewed by the Free Press, disagrees with the expert.

“The likelihood that these bombs in a real combat situation will be able to fall on the territory of Russia is extremely small,” he said. - In the very first minutes of the war, most of the NATO airfields will be disabled. And those planes that still take off, will have to break through the Russian air defense system. In reality, the 2-3 of the aircraft can do this. Our missile systems, the same Iskander, are much more reliable. They can hit targets in Europe in minutes. However, they can be equipped with nuclear warheads. By the way, the new Russian Rubezh rocket, albeit an intercontinental one, may well be used to hit targets in Western Europe. ”

According to the expert, “what the Americans are doing can be called virtual intimidation of Russia.” The purpose of such intimidation is to convince the Kremlin to abandon support for Donbass, Alexandrov said.

Probably, we’ll add in conclusion that the idea of ​​sending new bombs to NATO was caused by the policy pursued by Obama as part of the "concept of containment of Russia", which Ambassador in Moscow at one time was Ambassador John Tefft, who replaced the talkative "reboot" Michael McFaul. Bombs, NATO exercises in Eastern Europe, numerous articles in the influential press about “Russian aggression”, “threatening the Baltic states”, “reviving the USSR”, “Putin's empire” and other newspaper and television nonsense, as well as constantly renewed financial sanctions fit into modern episodes of the Cold War, which did not stop even in the time of Boris Yeltsin, when the White House genuinely rejoiced at plunging Russia into the abyss of permanent debt and economic crisis.

We are waiting for the bombing reaction of the German parliamentarians and the German public. Or all went to the "Oktoberfest"?

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  1. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 September 2015 06: 20 New
    +19
    Europe is friends with the United States to the detriment of itself, without drawing conclusions.
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 26 September 2015 06: 57 New
      +19
      USA wants:

      - so that Russia starts a crazy arms race and breaks.

      But! Times are different now ... There will be no race. There will be an answer. Asymmetric.

      All interested refugees should be allowed to enter Europe freely. May Europe have problems.

      And sanctions impose against Ukraine. The real ones. Let Ukrainians run to Europe for help.
      1. BMW
        BMW 26 September 2015 07: 33 New
        +19
        HOORAY!!!!
        Give as many refugees to Europe as possible!
        Help the refugee - send to Europe.
        Central Asia is your home Europe.
        Crest, if Europe does not want to go to you, be smart, take the first step yourself.
        1. amirbek
          amirbek 26 September 2015 08: 37 New
          +2
          from the beginning refugees (mainly to Germany) ... now bombs (...)
          1. krot
            krot 26 September 2015 09: 25 New
            +3
            And our answer should be the same, not expensive! Without changing any infrastructure, you can deploy nuclear warheads on many cruise missiles, or you can also pull nuclear tactical ammunition to Europe. If only it was economical! )
            1. ZU-23
              ZU-23 26 September 2015 10: 14 New
              -2
              It is interesting how these preparations will end, because the mattresses have already exhausted all the show-offs to the point that they fly with warheads along our borders, and then what? After all, by any means we will not be the first to provoke, that we would be the first to shoot too, that’s how they later want to show off further, because of inaction, the whole world will ridicule them again and will start sending three letters completely.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 26 September 2015 10: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: ZU-23
                It is interesting how these preparations will end, because the mattresses have already exhausted all the show-offs to the point that they fly with warheads along our borders, and then what?

                And then it’s just interesting, are they not afraid to land with full arms?
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 26 September 2015 17: 14 New
                  +4
                  Unfortunately we got divorced. Traitors of the Gorbachev team "bought" the Western promises of peace and friendship - remember how many big words there were about saving the world from a nuclear catastrophe and from a nuclear confrontation

                  And as a result, where did they go from there and came - again the confrontation - but on completely unfavorable conditions for us - there is no Warsaw Pact, our troops left Germany, we surrendered all of eastern Europe, ruined our own country and there is no our USSR state

                  Remained in fact, Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan - which the three of them are unlikely to catch up with NATO’s gigantic military machine - but NATO hasn’t gone anywhere, on the contrary it has strengthened and in fact comes to Ukraine. Eurasia is in difficult times — if the khans of the Huns — Kipchaks, the Golden Horde or Stalin with the Russian tsars are looking at us from the sky — we will surely experience bitterness and disappointment — we have lost what our peoples have defended for thousands of years

                  The accession of Kyrgyzstan and Armenia to us is certainly positive - but at the moment it does little to help the overall defense

                  There is no way out - you need to temporarily rely on China and Iran - and use the time to restore and consolidate Eurasia - to become an independent center of power - you need to accept all of Central Asia and Mongolia, the Baltic states, Georgia and almost all of Ukraine are unfortunately lost at this moment
              2. zennon
                zennon 26 September 2015 17: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: ZU-23
                It’s interesting how these preparations will end, because the mattresses have already exhausted all the show-offs

                Nothing will end, since all these "messages" are simply false:

                The United States does not plan to deploy B61-12 atomic bombs in Germany in the coming years. This was reported by the deputy head of the press service of the US National Department of Nuclear Safety at the Department of Energy Shelley Laver. According to her, articles in the German press are inaccurate, while Laver also emphasized that the US government plans to start mass production of new warheads only by 2020.
                1. kamil_tt
                  kamil_tt 27 September 2015 15: 02 New
                  +1
                  the news about the alleged placement was published by all the media, but the refutation was forgotten. what is it called?
              3. igorka357
                igorka357 26 September 2015 20: 11 New
                0
                Dear ZU-23-2, or maybe 4 ..))) Do you think our missile carriers are on combat patrol at their borders with mock-ups flying? Already, as a Pvoshnik, judging by the nickname and picture, you should always know that the plane is always on duty flies with ammunition, for that it is also BATTLE Duty! And you still want to reveal the secret, ships even go to exercises with full ammunition ..)))!
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 27 September 2015 03: 42 New
                  +3
                  Quote: igorka357
                  Judging by the nickname and the picture, it should be known to you as a PvOshnik that an airplane on duty always flies with ammunition, for that it is also a combat duty!

                  You are wrong no Currently, nuclear weapons intended for the aviation component of the strategic nuclear forces are stored in warehouses. There are currently no combat patrols of American and Russian YES, primarily due to incidents in the past when nuclear charges were lost as a result of air accidents, and tensions in this area decreased as a result of the refusal of military patrols with nuclear weapons on board strategic bombers.

                  Russia benefited more from this, because the United States has a much larger number of combat-ready long-range bombers. Ships armed with which can be charges of nuclear weapons go out to sea without it. According to the international agreement, nuclear torpedoes, depth charges and KR are stored in peacetime on the shore. hi
                2. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 22 New
                  +1
                  Your untruth, Long-range Aviation flies WITHOUT warheads. Now there is no war, and there is no need to carry it with you.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 27 September 2015 13: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Your untruth, Long-range Aviation flies WITHOUT warheads. Now there is no war, and there is no need to carry it with you.

                    So exactly yes especially considering that planes sometimes fight.
          2. Wildcat-731
            Wildcat-731 26 September 2015 11: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Amirbek
            from the beginning refugees (mainly to Germany) ... now bombs (...)

            But if you combine those others: refugees to Germany (among which there is a lot of disguised terrorists from ISIS (but everyone knows who the puppeteer is from ISIS! am ) laughing ), and then there, in Germany, 20 pieces of bombs with nuclear filling, and under some kind of exaggerated sauce, reflecting the aggression of Russia "... recourse request
            Duck, who exactly are the firewood intended for? request
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 26 September 2015 10: 54 New
          +1
          If the mountain does not go to Mohammed, Mohammed goes to the mountain ...
          Apparently, in Europe they did not know ...
    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 26 September 2015 16: 04 New
      +5
      Only in vain do the gay men in the States hope. The Yankees are sitting overseas and are not really caplets on them if Europe has serious problems.
      And if:
      And in the event of war, German pilots will have to fly into the air vehicles loaded with American bombs.

      Then, according to the results of such a war, there will no longer be a state called Germany in the center of Europe, as I am afraid of a people calling themselves Germans - deutsche. Such a war, where German pilots will fly planes with American nuclear bombs on board, is possible only in the event of another European crusade against our country (Russia, USSR, Russian Empire - the name does not change the essence). What ended the previous crusades for Europe is well known. And for the Germans as a people, another war can end with total annihilation, so to say, by the totality of merits in previous world wars, and not even with physical annihilation - just after the next defeat, the Germans will disappear as a nation, completely dissolved and assimilated (among whom, I hope it’s clear) . There are so few Germans left, more and more migrants come, both Asian-African and quite European. And the German blood is diluted.
      PS For God's sake, do not consider my commentary as propaganda of ethnic hatred, etc. I just expressed my opinion on if "in case of war, German pilots ..."
      I have the honor.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        Germans will disappear as a nation, completely dissolved and assimilated
        That's bad luck. True Aryans will soon be completely gone. Where is this world heading?!?!
  2. Koronik
    Koronik 26 September 2015 06: 24 New
    +4
    “The probability that these bombs can fall into Russian territory in a real combat situation is extremely small,” he said. “In the very first minutes of the war, most of NATO’s airfields will be disabled. And those planes that still take off will have to to break through the Russian air defense system. In reality, 2-3 aircraft will be able to do this "
    I think the goal of deploying new nuclear weapons in Europe is to keep the allies tied.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 26 September 2015 06: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Koronik
      I think the goal of deploying new nuclear weapons in Europe is to keep the allies tied.

      It is unlikely, because when the allies might think- "Oh, figs, we didn’t subscribe to this. Go down with God, with all your junk." Who wants to become a target, for the sake of other people's interests. Moreover, the chances of becoming this very target are increasing every day.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 26 September 2015 07: 45 New
        +4
        And in order for this to become a reality, it is necessary to withdraw from the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles or to increase the number of bombers capable of carrying supersonic cruise missiles with nuclear warheads
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 26 September 2015 08: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          increase the number of bombers capable of carrying supersonic cruise missiles with nuclear warheads

          Already. Russia resumes production of the Tu-160.
          The production of supersonic strategic bombers Tu-160 will resume in Russia - Defense Minister General of the Army Sergey Shoigu set such a task on Wednesday. "Already today it is necessary to begin to solve the tasks not only of maintaining the serviceability and modernization of the Long-Range Aviation fleet, but also of reproducing the Tu- 160, "the minister said during a visit to the Kazan Aircraft Plant (KAZ) named after Gorbunov. According to Shoigu, the Tu-160 is" a unique machine, several decades ahead of time and still not fully utilizing the design capabilities incorporated into it. "

          Source: http://fishki.net/anti/1517657-tu-160-quotbelyj-lebedquot--vozobnovlenie-proizvo

          dstva.html © Fishki.net
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 26 New
            +2
            Let them resume first, and then they will say it. And they like to chat with us a lot, but then they don’t answer for their words.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 26 September 2015 19: 21 New
      0
      So it’s so ... But .. It is necessary to prepare for war (and there is a chance) to proceed from the worst scenario. Recall the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, and the flight of Matthias Rust showed a lot about the quality of decisions made in the air defense system.
      Quote: Koronik
      “The probability that these bombs can fall into Russian territory in a real combat situation is extremely small,” he said. “In the very first minutes of the war, most of NATO’s airfields will be disabled. And those planes that still take off will have to to break through the Russian air defense system. In reality, 2-3 aircraft will be able to do this "
      I think the goal of deploying new nuclear weapons in Europe is to keep the allies tied.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 27 September 2015 07: 59 New
        +2
        The air defense system was dumbfounded by innovations and reorganizations. Take the third air defense zone defending the area from Kamchatka to Lake Baikal with the same forces as in Komsomolsk on Amur in Soviet times. It’s not necessary to say that the equipment is different now, the kilometer in Moscow is equal to the Far East and also equal to 1000 m, and not 100m as innovators who reorganized the army in the Far East think. And the missile range remained the same as in Europe. Previously, two separate air defense armies 11 and 14 defended this territory, and now the Air Force and Air Defense Corps. So think about the probability of an air defense breakthrough from the East.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 27 September 2015 14: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Amurets
          The air defense system was dumbfounded by innovations and reorganizations. Take the third air defense zone defending the area from Kamchatka to Lake Baikal with the same forces that in Soviet times alone Komsomolsk covered on the Amur.

          You stepped on my "sore spot" crying Unfortunately, a significant part of VO visitors do not understand this. request Nikolay, read, maybe it will be interesting to you. True, I have a typo there, of course, not 9 C-400, but 19. hi
          The current state of the Russian air defense system
          http://topwar.ru/70364-sovremennoe-sostoyanie-sistemy-pvo-rossii.html
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 27 September 2015 15: 29 New
            +2
            I read it earlier, now I read it more carefully and she reminded me of youth. And now can I have an intimate question? You served in the 8 Red Banner Air Defense Corps.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 27 September 2015 15: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              I read it earlier, now I read it more carefully and she reminded me of youth. And now can I have an intimate question? You served in the 8 Red Banner Air Defense Corps.

              Of course you can ... Although I now live in Komsomolsk, I did not serve in the 8, currently liquidated Air Defense Corps. I was engaged in the repair and maintenance of very specific communication equipment from the brigade level and above, as well as PDITR events. The unit was in Khabarovsk at the headquarters of the 11 Army. But my area of ​​responsibility was Primorye. He quit in 1994 when the collapse began, in small ranks.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 27 September 2015 16: 31 New
                +2
                Thank you! I served in the 1969-1971 years in the 1530 ZRP well, although this regiment did not fall under reorganization. I know about the fate of the 8. I served as a private but after the army I had to deal with missile issues after the end of the KhPI. In 1971, Komsomolsk-on-Amur passed by the air regiment on Dzemgi, the 3-channel C-200 object was covered by 309; the 4-re of the C-75 division stood; the 4-th settlement Start; the 5-th where I served, ST Mylki where the fork in Amursk; 6-th beyond Amol Amur ; 7 for the refinery, I don’t remember what the position was called, and also in the 1971 year the C-125 regiment was deployed. I know for sure that there is one divi the zion was set up to cover the bridge over the Amur, in Khurbu, they looked at positions at the 24 warehouses and behind the airfield in Khurba. Such forces covered Komsomolsk after 1971.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 28 September 2015 05: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Amurets
                  Thank you! I served in the 1969-1971 years in the 1530 ZRP well, although this regiment did not fall under reorganization. I know about the fate of the 8. I served as a private but after the army I had to deal with missile issues after the end of the KhPI. In 1971, Komsomolsk-on-Amur passed by the air regiment on Dzemgi, the 3-channel C-200 object was covered by 309; the 4-re of the C-75 division stood; the 4-th settlement Start; the 5-th where I served, ST Mylki where the fork in Amursk; 6-th beyond Amol Amur ; 7 for the refinery, I don’t remember what the position was called, and also in the 1971 year the C-125 regiment was deployed. I know for sure that there is one divi the zion was set up to cover the bridge over the Amur, in Khurbu, they looked at positions at the 24 warehouses and behind the airfield in Khurba. Such forces covered Komsomolsk after 1971.


                  Good day! In principle, almost everything was correctly described by position, unfortunately for some reason Google earth is buggy, I wanted to throw off the layout of the SAM positions around Komsomolsk, but it didn’t work out. And still forced to correct you, you probably forgot request The S-200 air defense missile system is single-channel for the target, that is, it can direct several SAMs but only at one target.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 September 2015 05: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    SAM around Komsomolsk, but failed.

                    Hello Sergey! And on the hill on Amurstal, why are they turning for radars?
                    1. Bongo
                      Bongo 28 September 2015 05: 22 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Hello Sergey! And on the hill on Amurstal, why are they turning for radars?

                      Hello Sasha! This is an airborne radar. Previously, for a very long time there was an ancient P-14 and an altimeter PRV-16. Now the equipment has been updated, since recently (about 3 a year ago) a new station has been operating that looks like 64Л6-1 "Gamma-С1" (pictured). I stayed at the hillside, but I don’t know if they work or not.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2015 05: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Bongo
                        ! This is an airborne radar. Previously, for a very long time there was an ancient P-14 and an altimeter PRV-16.

                        It’s a strange village that rode on a base there in childhood. They drove right to them, radars spun, and around Nicago winked
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        -Pal Andreich! Are you a spy?

                        Yes, where am I to you, exposed Stirlitz tongue
                        Hello Rus laughing
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 28 September 2015 05: 53 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        on a lazy base there in childhood rode

                        Skiing with skiing wassat
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        exposed by Stirlitz

                        I am not exposed, but illuminated and, as a result, not allowed to travel abroad request
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2015 06: 14 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Skiing

                        Yes, the skis sucked.
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        with bad result

                        And the result, too, a clown in an argamak flew into me ... I understood in the hills, and he went down into me. I ski kirdyk and I ....... am
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 28 September 2015 06: 16 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        the skis sucked.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And the result too

                        Can I patch up the predictor of the past? what laughing
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        . Ski kirdyk and I ....

                        Really survived belay
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2015 06: 25 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Really survived

                        Contusion winked
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Can I patch up the predictor of the past?

                        Travel to Ukraine, where you will become popular. wassat
                      6. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 28 September 2015 06: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        selling his hut in St. Petersburg and rich rich snickering major

                        And if both it’s just a fucking lord laughing
              2. Bongo
                Bongo 28 September 2015 06: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It’s a strange village that rode on a base there in childhood. They drove right to them, radars spun, and around Nicago

                This is the normal duty mode, calculations either sleep or work on air targets. smile At RTV positions, it is crowded only during routine or repair work.
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 September 2015 06: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Bongo
                This is the normal duty mode; crews either sleep or work on air targets

                If only the prickles had surrounded, and the temptation was to climb inside.
              4. Bongo
                Bongo 28 September 2015 06: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                If only the prickles had surrounded, and the temptation was to climb inside.

                Barb, though purely symbolic was there. But will our people stop this? In 90, the familiar starley served there as the station commander (P-14 "Defense"). They had an eternal problem there, conscripts in the absence of commanders of girls from the village dragged and thumped. The problem with discipline was fundamentally resolved after they were contracted by aunt operators. At that time, in Komsom just stopped paying salaries at the factories and there were no problems with those who wanted to serve. Naturally, they tried themselves and did not allow the remaining fighters to dissolve.
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 28 September 2015 05: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And on the hill on Amurstal, why are they turning for radars?

        -Pal Andreich! Are you a spy? bully (Adjutant of His Excellency)
      3. Amurets
        Amurets 28 September 2015 07: 54 New
        +1
        In my time there was a command post of the 8th building.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 28 September 2015 07: 49 New
      +2
      Hello Bongo! Unfortunately, I forgot the axis of the breakdown of the 309th object. The channel on the S-200 was called the fire division. For the purpose, the division was single-channel. Under Komsomolsky there was a complex consisting of 3 fire divisions, therefore it was called 3-channel. In general, the position was divided into five channels, but two channels (divisions) were given away somewhere. It seems to be in the 23rd Air Defense Corps in Vladivostok. Therefore, the position on the ground does not look much increased compared to the 308 object. Initially, a 3-channel complex near Uglegorsk where the cosmodrome is being built now. And the position of the S-125 cover division was a little different than in the standard layout. The B-870 missiles of the first series had a lower boundary of destruction of about 3000 m. Therefore, the S-125 was placed. Our S-75 in 1971 were put on modernization of the M-2 with the use of optical guidance and a bunch of other gadgets. In fact, our Volkhovs were put on a hospital. On the surface were the RD-75, SRC P-18 and the PV cabin, the rest was hidden underground in concrete.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 28 September 2015 08: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Hello Bongo!

        Hello again, Nikolai! My name is Sergey hi
        Three C-200 divisions were deployed on Bochin until the mid-90's. Now there are ruins. The nearest C-200 positions were not far from Prince Volkonka near Khabarovsk. Currently there is C-300PS. Near Komsomolsk, the 1530th anti-aircraft missile regiment in Liana (five divisions) at the S-300PS remained. One division was deployed on a hill near Upper Ekoni, before there was C-125.
        Scheme as of the end of 80's
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 28 September 2015 12: 01 New
          +1
          Yes! Sergey, thank you for the card! I could not find only the fourth division S-125. My 5th division is marked for sure. From Mylok you climb up the hill and there will be a position at the top. Position C-125, which was near Amursk, was closer to the bridge. Today I put 2gis Komsomolsk, there is a little more accurate. Thank you for all the news. Yes, where Romanov asked, behind the Amurstal, stood the KP of the 8th Corps. There was also a nearby state reserve vault where they went for food twice when they were in quarantine. With me, the S-200s stood in Uglegorsk on the Russian Island. In principle, the S-200 began to enter the army en masse in 1969. Then I saw the S-300 in KapYar for the first time. So what we saw is far from what we see now.
    4. opus
      opus 29 September 2015 02: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      The S-200 air defense missile system is single-channel for the target, that is, it can direct several SAMs but only at one target.

      5 channel. As a rule (this is the maximum)
      and so 3-5
      each channel has its own Russian Orthodox Church




      Sergey-confuse channels and PU
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 26 September 2015 06: 26 New
    +1
    This is a direct violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

    Yervos completely beguiled the coast.
    It is time to withdraw from the "Agreement on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF)"
  • 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 26 September 2015 06: 26 New
    +3
    At least one detonated during unloading (cruelly, but it would have acted on everyone at once!)
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 26 September 2015 06: 35 New
      +8
      Undermining a modern nuclear device is not so simple. With a close explosion or hit, it will collapse, but will not explode. To initiate an explosion, you need to know the access and activation codes. Without them, a vigorous bomb is a piece of very expensive iron.
      1. BMW
        BMW 26 September 2015 06: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: novobranets
        To initiate an explosion, you need to know the access and activation codes.


        Where are our hackers? It is necessary to help the Germans understand that they are warmed.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 26 September 2015 07: 21 New
          +1
          Not. The Germans feel sorry. Nekhai explodes when shipped to the consumer. lol
          1. BMW
            BMW 26 September 2015 07: 27 New
            +1
            So the consumer is the Luftwaffe. Contradict yourself.
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 26 September 2015 07: 54 New
              +2
              Consumer, this is an American base located in German at the Buchel base. Laughter and sin in one bottle. But the Germans are forced, especially without asking them, to arm their planes with these bombs. So let these bombs burst fellow at the factory in the states, when loading. Dreams Dreams, what but it would be nice. yes
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 26 September 2015 07: 51 New
          +4
          And where do the hackers. Devices for initiating an explosion are located separately and are put on the product only before using weapons. The installation on the power of the explosion also occurs.
          1. amirbek
            amirbek 26 September 2015 08: 47 New
            0
            Do these bombs have a self-destruction system?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 September 2015 11: 11 New
              +1
              Yes, undermining one of the explosive charges and the bomb just shatters to pieces.
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              2. gjv
                gjv 26 September 2015 14: 48 New
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                the bomb just shatters to pieces

                Bomb B-61 at various stages of assembly. Nuclear Charge - A small silver cylinder to the right of the nose fairing
  • novobranets
    novobranets 26 September 2015 06: 30 New
    +5
    What are Germans thinking about? What do they rattle with weapons and disperse? To put it mildly, it is unusually frivolous to hope so. Let me remind you of one well-known phrase- "If in the first act of the play a gun hangs on the wall, then in the third it will certainly shoot." America overseas, and Germany, here it is, next to it. I urge the Germans to once again think about where the crazy little Frau leads them with their black friend.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 26 September 2015 16: 29 New
      +1
      Here's another opinion of a very not stupid German.
      Bundestag deputy, first deputy head of the Left faction, Sarah Wagenknecht, sharply criticized NATO’s decision to launch German Eurofighter fighter flights in the Baltic states with full ammunition on board, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten writes. According to Sarah Wagenknekht, those who sent German fighters to Eastern Europe "lost their minds," the article says.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150925/1280886096.html#ixzz3mqogiN4C
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 September 2015 06: 38 New
    +3
    Some German experts believe that a similar step by the US administration is a deliberate provocation against Russia.

    There is no doubt that this is a provocation prepared in advance by the Americans. And the information leak occurred according to their knowledge. The goal is to try to push Russia to another arms race and even just get on your nerves. Now Star Wars, as in the 80s will not work. Therefore, we took a slightly different path - imposing the thought that Russia is an enemy and an aggressor, strengthening the group in Europe, which naturally leads to retaliatory actions.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 26 September 2015 06: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Therefore, we took a slightly different path - imposing the thought that Russia is an enemy and an aggressor, strengthening the group in Europe, which naturally leads to retaliatory actions.

      Plus, the divert attention from the internal problems of the states, of which they during the tenure of the black lapping power, grabbed like a flea mongrel.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 26 September 2015 07: 38 New
        +1
        I agree with you. In addition to this, of course, it is necessary to add Ukraine and today's fuss of the United States around Syria.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 26 September 2015 08: 03 New
          +1
          Or they went the other way. There was no time to look, I heard from the corner of my ear a program in Russia about all these fires in Russia, droughts, etc., etc., the result of using a Boeing 747 laser through Nome and Ulyanovsk to Afghanistan. -My fake.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 30 New
            +1
            Read less, listen and watch the yellow press and the sensations of the Ren-TV channel. It will be good for health, you know.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 26 September 2015 08: 05 New
          0
          It is not for nothing that the state media everywhere speculate about the imaginary “Russian threat to democracy”, hushing up their problems, like Detroit, the overwhelming external debt, police arbitrariness, and growing unemployment.
  • BMW
    BMW 26 September 2015 06: 41 New
    +2
    Here they are the results of our liberal policy. We are crushed from all sides.
  • smith7
    smith7 26 September 2015 06: 41 New
    +2
    This is another manifestation of militaristic sentiments among our Western partners. The answer to Russian activity in Syria? For us in Russia, this does not bring anything good, but they are very afraid of us. It's true. “Russians are coming” is a nightmare for NATO. So the cold war returned. Get ready people! This is an expensive "pleasure." But it’s better to feed your army than someone else’s.
    1. nagel_Oz
      nagel_Oz 26 September 2015 09: 30 New
      0
      Quote: smith7
      For us in Russia, this does not bring anything good, but they are very afraid of us.

      I agree with you, rested in Turkey, and often after eating wink with a cigarette, talked with the Germans, of whom there are many. In conversations, I have repeatedly come across the opinion that Herr Putin is dangerous for Europe, so he can even fly bombs in Germany.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: smith7
      So the cold war returned.
      The situation in the country today is different, alas.
      Quote: smith7
      Get ready people!
      For what?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 September 2015 06: 50 New
    +5
    As I understand it, these "bombs" do not pose a special threat to Russia. But for Europe, yes! US from Europe makes a buffer zone of protection .... Ah Merkel Merkel!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 September 2015 10: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      As I understand it, these "bombs" do not pose a special threat to Russia
      Vitaliy, hi!
      Two words.
      1. If they hadn’t imagined, then ours wouldn’t have fussed, because they are replacing the old, freely falling B61, with those planning with digital aiming at the target and a GPS correction block (B61-12).
      2. Tornado IDS - the car is old, but reliable: 9t load, 7 suspension points, combat radius of 1400km. He is able at low altitude (under the radio horizon) to complete the task of "slipping the nuclear war under the Russian gates." Yes, he will not get from Büchel (AB Fligerhorst) to Moscow. And what if from the airfields of Poland? But such an opportunity exists. Then, it is not necessary to “take everything to Moscow”, there are many “interesting” industrial centers, such as Voronezh, Kursk, Belgorod, Lipetsk.
      Therefore, "the best cure for headache is the guillotine."
      In 5 minutes, the Iskanders will turn the storage base in Eifel into a lunar landscape, destroying the hornet's nest. And our air defense will have less work.
      This is the best, from a military point of view, solution to the problem. But the order is given to him by politicians (VGK).
      Yours faithfully, hi
      1. gjv
        gjv 26 September 2015 15: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA
        In 5 minutes, the Iskanders will turn the storage base in Eifel into a lunar landscape, destroying the hornet's nest.


        There are more nests.


        We need more Iskander and Frontiers.
  • tyras85
    tyras85 26 September 2015 07: 18 New
    +1
    To provoke RUSSIA is no good. Bear, he loves freedom, will not take someone else but will not give up his own!
    Yabp will be posted - get an answer. In full. There is something.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: tyras85
      apple will be placed
      Of course they will. Everything is within the framework of "obligations" to NATO allies.
      Quote: tyras85
      get an answer
      For what? For posting to the storage base? Do not say nonsense.
      Quote: tyras85
      In full. There is something.
      The wailing and expressions of extreme concern in the stands of the UN, yeah.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 September 2015 07: 19 New
    +1
    I hope that if something happens ..., Russia will not only give heat to Europe, but the United States will not leave without "attention", SIMULTANEOUSLY! am
  • tyras85
    tyras85 26 September 2015 07: 22 New
    +2
    Europeans, think it over! If you place nuclear weapons in your territories, you are potential dead! The first "swallows" from the apple will fly to you. America is far away, it substitutes Europe to the fullest.
    Breeds you like suckers.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 37 New
      0
      Nuclear weapons in Europe were in Soviet times and did not go anywhere. They just brought up fresh supplies. I do not understand the meaning of your moaning.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 26 September 2015 07: 26 New
    +6
    Some German experts believe that a similar step by the US administration is a deliberate provocation against Russia.... But the Germans do not even have the strength to protest, I'm not talking about the government .. about the people .. corrupted the people with tolerance ..
  • bubla5
    bubla5 26 September 2015 07: 35 New
    +3
    US must be destroyed
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 38 New
      0
      And who will the iPhone and Windu ??? And also films from DiCaprio and clips from Taylor Swift ?! wassat
  • Tungus
    Tungus 26 September 2015 07: 40 New
    +4
    Mattresses substitute the Bundes rather consistently. At first they were drawn into the Ukrainian crisis, making it the axis of the negotiation process. Then - the center of the migration dream. Next - bombs, for dessert - conflict in Volkswagen and BMW. I wonder what they prepared as a control shot?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 September 2015 08: 43 New
      +2
      Watch today the news on Russia-1. There is an interview with the German journalist Ishilovites. I don’t remember his last name, so ISIS’s blue dream is to get nuclear weapons.
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 26 September 2015 08: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: bmw
    HOORAY!!!!
    Give as many refugees to Europe as possible!

    Crest, if Europe does not want to go to you, be smart, take the first step yourself.


    Honestly, I don’t understand our neighbors at all: every day on all European channels there is news about crossing the border with the EU, thousands of refugees are breaking in and distributing them. And they sit and wait until they are admitted to the EU. What are you watching and waiting for? Want to go to Europe? So go there. Break through the borders, let them try to stop, only Germany needs to go through Poland! And there France is not far away, people are moving across the sea, through 3-4 countries, breaking through fences, and you are all waiting. Go to Berlin!
    1. BMW
      BMW 26 September 2015 08: 51 New
      +2
      Let them remember the glorious past of their ancestors.
      "Berlin is Tse Ukraine !!"
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 27 September 2015 07: 23 New
        +1
        In this you are right. Even in the 17th century, the Slavs caught sturgeons in Spee.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 26 September 2015 08: 27 New
    +2
    I will say rudely: Old Merkel along the way has long ago deployed Obama's black rocket in her "hangar".
  • hrenq
    hrenq 26 September 2015 08: 29 New
    +2
    Hitler kaput
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  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 08: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Amurets
    And in order for this to become a reality, it is necessary to withdraw from the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles or to increase the number of bombers capable of carrying supersonic cruise missiles with nuclear warheads

    Nikolay, we have already discussed this several times on various branches. And you are well aware of my attitude towards withdrawing from the Treaties and what this threatens us with in the military and economic terms. A sharp increase in the number of bombers is also impossible. EMNIP comrade SSI spoke about the capabilities of the USSR to build the TU-160. FOUR MACHINES PER YEAR.
    New supersonic CDs with nuclear warheads - something like this has not yet been observed. Only the old X-22 is in service. When the X-32 will appear and in what quantity is unknown. And by and large it’s anti-ship missiles. Can they carry YabZ Onyx - unknown. When will appear "Zircon" and whether he will be in the air variant - too ...

    Quote: MainBeam
    This is a direct violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

    Yervos completely beguiled the coast.
    It is time to withdraw from the "Agreement on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF)"

    There is no violation ... Read the agreement, best of all in the original, not retelling of the media

    Quote: 3
    At least one detonated during unloading (cruelly, but it would have acted on everyone at once!)

    Dreams Dreams. Does not detonate. And the fire will not take her. There is a new fireproof BB PBX-9502 IHE

    Quote: Amurets
    And where do the hackers. Devices for initiating an explosion are located separately and are put on the product only before using weapons. Then the installation on the power of the explosion occurs.

    Moreover, these bombs are fuses category F. This is a code device with a 12-digit code and a limited number of repetitions. After a certain number of repetitions, death is blocked

    Quote: ia-ai00
    I hope that if something happens ..., Russia will not only give heat to Europe, but the United States will not leave without "attention", SIMULTANEOUSLY

    Do not forget while calling for

    Quote: bubla5
    US must be destroyed

    and the fact that the same fate will befall Russia ...
    And many who call this for some reason forget ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 September 2015 11: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Can they carry Yabz "Onyx" - is unknown.

      "There is nothing impossible in love" (c)
      Information for consideration. Onyx warhead weight (3M55) = 300kg. Look how much the ballistic missile weighs, the weight of the answer to your question lies in it. The question is different: is it necessary? and the range of the BC max. 750-800km - not enough for such purposes - and it will be imprisoned for the sea ...
      Quote: Old26
      is unknown. When will the Zircon appear and whether it will be in the air variant - too ...
      Zircon (3M22) will be in the air variant, as it is positioned in the media with BraMos II: V = 4,5M D = 400km (tested), the forecast is 800-1000km. The missile is interspecific, so everyone will have it.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 27 September 2015 06: 41 New
        +2
        Hello! Guys! It’s a pity there’s too much time difference to chat online. Having lost thanks to KAA for Zircon, I somehow lost sight of this complex. I paid more attention to air-based Yakhont-m. How are the successes in its implementation? Because after 2010 I didn’t find any mention of him. Although I know for sure that in 2007 he passed state tests.
        Old26! Volodya is very glad that they finally met. I have a question about 3M25 Thunder / Meteorite. I don’t understand this is a fake or the work on this complex is actually continuing. Recently a message appeared that it seems to be in Achaluk, in the area of ​​Lavochkin's starts; Myasishchev conducted some roofing felts, roofing felts. I immediately warn you: the data is at the level of the YELLOW press. But a hint of the continuation of work; this June, photos of the Tu-95 are dated 2010.
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 26 September 2015 08: 48 New
    +3
    Seeing how hordes of migrants from all over the world are tearing to Germany, the thought arises - aren't the staff members willing to equip them with new bombs? Somehow it coincides in time, and migrants are in full swing with their charter in a European monastery, they demand to abolish the Christmas trees for Christmas, the ban on alcohol and pork, the restriction on clothes - you can’t put on everything you want and the same picture in Germany, it’s not without reason that neo-fascists gaining increasing popularity
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 September 2015 09: 44 New
      +1
      they demand that the Christmas trees be canceled for Christmas, a ban on alcohol and pork, a restriction on clothes - you can’t put on anything you want and in Germany the same picture

      The Germans will not give up, they will fulfill all the instructions of the United States.
      Refugees placed in the barracks of Dachau and Buchenwald
      GERMANY. According to reports from social networks, German authorities used the huts of memorial complexes at the site of the Dachau and Buchenavald concentration camps to host part of the Middle East refugees. Nothing has been reported on the re-conservation of other components of the camp infrastructure, but APN experts note as interesting the fact that it seems that museum objects - barracks - were suitable for housing.
      [2015-09-25]
      http://www.apn.ru/news/article34120.htm
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 26 September 2015 11: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Turkir
        GERMANY. According to reports from social networks, German authorities used the huts of memorial complexes at the site of the Dachau and Buchenavald concentration camps to host part of the Middle East refugees. Nothing has been reported on the re-conservation of other components of the camp infrastructure, but APN experts note as interesting the fact that it seems that museum objects - barracks - were suitable for housing.
        [2015-09-25]

        You see, what Germans are prudent, prudent and practical, barracks to museums, museums to barracks. Then the Russians will come and again everything will become a museum.
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 26 September 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Or maybe we should give someone a pair of ICBMs? North Korea for example? Well, type so that they fought off ISIS.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 09: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Gray 43
    Seeing how hordes of migrants from all over the world are tearing to Germany, the thought arises - aren't the staff members willing to equip them with new bombs?

    Do not look for a black cat in a dark room, especially when she is not there. The decision to create a new bomb, or rather a new modification, was made either in 2009 or in 2011, when the hordes of emigrants have not yet been observed

    Quote: Gray 43
    and migrants are already in full climb with their charter into a European monastery, they demand to abolish the Christmas trees for Christmas, the ban on alcohol and pork, the restriction on clothes - you can’t put on everything you want and the same picture in Germany, it’s not without reason that neo-fascists are gaining more and more popularity

    Let this be the problems of Europe. Played in tolerance - that’s it. And neo-fascism will raise its head. When guests start to set their own rules in your house, it is fraught
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 27 September 2015 07: 12 New
      +1
      Old 26. Yesterday, the news of Russia1 and then Russia24 showed a report by a German jounalist from Iraq and ISIS. And he warns, and I believe him, that people who are eager for power by any means and possession of nuclear weapons came their blue dream. They say in their interview that They won’t stop before the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, just to come to power. Sorry, I can’t give the name of the journalist, I just forgot.
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 26 September 2015 10: 05 New
    +1
    America implies that atomic bombs can cling to their planes Germans - US allies. The Russian Foreign Ministry may also declare that the nuclear bombs of the Russian Federation can cling to its planes Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia! And this statement must be accompanied by words that emphasize the US desire to spread nuclear weapons in Europe.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 10: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: da Vinci
    America implies that atomic bombs can cling to their planes Germans - US allies. The Russian Foreign Ministry may also declare that the nuclear bombs of the Russian Federation can cling to its planes Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia! And this statement must be accompanied by words that emphasize the US desire to spread nuclear weapons in Europe.

    America implies that nuclear weapons in the event of a large-scale conflict will hooked to the planes of the Federal Republic of Germany, Italy, Belgium, Great Britain ... In the same way as we once planned in case of a conflict, to transfer our nuclear warheads to our allies: Hungarians, Czechs, Poles, Germans. And just like the United States now, we taught them how to use these weapons.
    We really can now teach both Belarusians and Kazakhs how to use nuclear weapons.
    But the thing is that learning MISSES under the Treaty on the Prohibition of the Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, MISSES. So, we also will not succeed in blaming the United States for the spread of nuclear weapons in Europe. American weapons are under American control, and their location and presence on the territory of a country was determined and determined by the relevant bilateral and multilateral treaties and agreements between the United States and each of these countries.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 26 September 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    Another 01.05.2014 of the year on the website "Homeland-USSR" cccp-revivel.blogspot.com, an article was posted: Nuclear bomb B61-12 - New photos are displayed by new combat capabilities, by Hans M. Christensen, just about this sound bonbon with photos and description of the technical specifications. By the way, the possibility of deploying these ammunition in Europe was considered in the 2012 year and they should have been placed according to the plan exactly in the 2015 year, i.e. now. The RF Ministry of Defense was notified about this, just in the 2012 year we were ... " partners "hehe hehe, and now ... am
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 26 September 2015 15: 24 New
    +2
    From Berlin to Minsk 2 hours fly
    From Berlin to Moscow 2.5 hours fly
    Good landing wish Russian air defense and aerospace defense. Meteorologists remind Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, Ukraine that it is necessary to buy lead umbrellas to avoid.
    Air defense in Poland? Radar in the Baltic states?
    Russian gunners may wish a pleasant pastime. I would like to recall that the firing distance for example for Hurricanes can be 120 km, covering an area of ​​672 km in square meters. (this can be said a small town). Of course, the civilian population is pitiful, but during hostilities, Nehai settles next to potentially annihilating targets.
    Have a good sleep gentlemen Europeans.
  • arrows
    arrows 26 September 2015 17: 07 New
    +1
    All that is needed is a message from our Moscow Region that the placements and their adjacent places are now under the gun, and it’s necessary to add that the “bullet is a fool”
  • LMaksim
    LMaksim 26 September 2015 19: 33 New
    +1
    Atomic bombs in Europe are very easily treated by placing atomic bombs in Cuba, you can in Argentina. The Americans will again come to their senses for a while and remove their toys from Europe. In general, it’s not a matter of blackmailing the world with a nuclear club. It may one day shoot.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2015 20: 33 New
    0
    Quote: LMaksim
    Atomic bombs in Europe are very easily treated by placing atomic bombs in Cuba, you can in Argentina

    In argentina? Why not in Senegal? Almost 600 km closer.
    And the thought, I apologize, is so deep that you cannot see it in the depths. What are you going to deliver atomic bombs from Argentina? Or from Cuba?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2015 07: 59 New
      0
      The same Iskanders with JBL would fit well into Cuban architecture. smile
  • KRIG55
    KRIG55 26 September 2015 21: 28 New
    0
    Nobody seems to be asking the Germans if they want to store other people's nuclear bombs.
  • Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 26 September 2015 21: 29 New
    0
    The apocalypse guys can be pulled and delayed, but age is not the same as to miss the galactic fireworks. So that...
    1. litus
      litus 26 September 2015 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Bolhevik
      The apocalypse guys can be pulled and delayed, but age is not the same as to miss the galactic fireworks. So that...


      what a nice open face! Especially the left. Are these two "Ps" apparently? Comrades were late ...
  • Buffalo
    Buffalo 27 September 2015 07: 41 New
    0
    The old whore, Merkel, betrayed and sold Germany, along with all the other EU citizens. In the event of a real threat, this warehouse will have to be destroyed as a matter of priority, along with the entire EU.
  • Old26
    Old26 27 September 2015 09: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Greenwood
    The same Iskanders with JBL would fit well into Cuban architecture

    Several times already suggested that those who write this take at least Google cards, or Yandex cards, or to the extreme Wikimapia (this is even better). And just "measure" the distance from Cuba to the United States. Then in Wikimapia, activate the "military facility" position and just see if there is anything so serious as to take such a step.
    If they had done this, they would not have written it, for it would have been obvious that most of the "military facilities" concentrated in Miami are military institutions. And all the more or less serious, but again it is not known whether serious enough to launch a nuclear strike is out of the reach of the “Iskander”.
    But as a result of such a step, the United States will "seriously" take up Cuba, and easily arrange a blockade for it. And Russia is no longer the USSR to support Cuba as it was supported in the 60s. Plus, we give the Americans a trump card to place similar missiles near our borders. And Peter will be one of the main goals, along with the KBF bases. Plus one of the missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces under attack. That is, it will put us in obviously unfavorable conditions. This is called "spite grandmother frostbitten ears." That is, having shown its steepness, to deploy missiles in Cuba that the Americans will not be able to hit anything serious, but put a couple of serious goals at their fingertips (just offhand). And this despite the fact that the Americans will deploy only missiles permitted by the INF Treaty.
    And if, in response to such a placement, they withdraw from the INF Treaty (and by this step we give them a trump card). What then. The entire European part is under the blows of their missiles, but do we have a zilch in response to this? Do you offer this ???

    Quote: Amurets
    I have a question about 3M25 Thunder / Meteorite. I don’t understand this is a fake or the work on this complex is actually continuing. A message recently appeared that it seems to be in Achaluk, in the area of ​​Lavochkin's starts; Myasishchev conducted some roofing felts, roofing felts. I immediately warn you: the data is at the level of the YELLOW press. But a hint of the continuation of work; this June, photos of the Tu-95 are dated 2010.

    I also heard something similar, but again from the OBS series. In October, the comrade who serves there (should serve) should come on vacation, I will try to ask him, maybe I heard what he knows. And about the TU photo - alas, I missed it, I didn’t meet it, although it would be interesting to see

    Quote: Amurets
    Old 26. Yesterday, the news of Russia1 and then Russia24 showed a report by a German jounalist from Iraq and ISIS. And he warns, and I believe him, that people who are eager for power by any means and possession of nuclear weapons came their blue dream. They say in their interview that They won’t stop before the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, just to come to power. Sorry, I can’t give the name of the journalist, I just forgot.

    The report did not look, but it is natural. Moreover, ISIS captured EMNIP in one of the universities in Iraq (I don’t remember the city) a certain amount of isotopes, quite large. Nuclear of them can not be done, but the radiological, "dirty" - easily. Only the problem of delivery to the target will remain. And there will be many victims. And it is not strange, but now in the Middle East there are only a few countries that can stop them. Syria, Israel, possibly KSA. And having supporters in many countries of Northern Africa and the Middle East, they can gain access to SNF storage facilities. Again they won’t get nuclear weapons, but they can do a lot of “dirty” ones
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 27 September 2015 11: 02 New
      +1
      Yes, I agree. I still did not believe anyone, when a month ago, I expressed a similar thought about Ukroina. After the statement by Yatsenyuk and Turshchinov that Ukraine could possess nuclear weapons. Moreover, only Russia takes the nuclear assemblies of spent fuel. Photo Tu-95 saw on the Bastion, but unfortunately could not save. Saving and link were blocked.
  • Old26
    Old26 27 September 2015 12: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Amurets
    Russia. I saw the Tu-95 photo on the Bastion, but unfortunately I could not save

    I'll try to find. I also do not save materials from there. Sometimes you just have to save the link from the command line. True, then there is the problem of searching where I saved it. And at least a more accurate time or an approximate name of the material do not remember? Perhaps this is from some "Bastion" magazines?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 27 September 2015 13: 53 New
      +1
      Old26! I did not find it on the bastion, but here’s a link to the military [media = http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-406.html] there are a lot of interesting things to test. On the Bastion there was only an advertising booklet that seems to be MAXA 2011 and there one photo. These are earlier but more detailed. This is a forum but the main article.
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    Old26 27 September 2015 14: 43 New
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    If the “Bastion” had photos with launches, then surely only these. I have not seen others. And these are already 84 years old. They closed the program (as they say) because the rocket fell under the limitations of some of the treaties, most likely START-1 because it carried 2 warheads, and this was forbidden. But again, this is only at the rumor level.
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      Amurets 27 September 2015 15: 16 New
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      Old26! At the military, see the post above, the last launch of 1991 was noted. By the way, there are all the carriers for whom this missile was intended. And in 1991, you remember, in order to please the USA, the most promising weapons programs were reduced. Yes, I found out why Tyurin Design Bureau was shot down. Arsenal Plant and Arsenal Design Bureau redirected the development of launchers BRZHK. Remember, I used to write about Dukelsky and Florensky. So the experience of creating heavy artillery conveyors such as TM-12 and TM-14 played a cruel joke in the history of design bureaus. By the way, the forerunner of the complex conveyor TM-3-12 is in Moscow Poklonnaya Gora. And Arsenal could not lead the development of mobile complexes. There was no experience. Therefore, just stupidly drive the Arsenal plant into the search engine and he will give you the ins and outs of the plant since 1701
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    Old26 27 September 2015 18: 36 New
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    Old26! At the military, see the post above, the last launch of 1991 was noted. By the way, there are all the carriers for whom this missile was intended. And in 1991 you yourself remember in favor of the USA the most promising weapons programs were reduced.

    Later photos I did not see.

    Quote: Amurets
    Yes, I found out why Tyurin Design Bureau was shot down. Arsenal Plant and Arsenal Design Bureau redirected the development of BRZhK launchers. Remember, I used to write about Dukelsky and Florensky. So the experience of creating heavy artillery conveyors like TM-12 and TM-14 played a cruel joke in the history of design bureaus. the forerunner of the complex, the TM-3-12 conveyor is in Moscow on Poklonnaya Gora. But Arsenal could not lead the development of mobile complexes. There was no experience. Therefore, you just stupidly drive the Arsenal plant into the search engine and it will give you a low-grade factory since 1701

    I know this site. I periodically download the corporate press. Sometimes among hundreds of sentences an interesting phrase slips.
    It is possible that this was the second shot, or maybe the first - HZ. The fact is that he had another powerful competitor - Makeev’s design bureau. And judging by indirect evidence, Arsenal would have made a rocket that would have been lighter than Makeevskaya R-39.

    Unfortunately (for me), a book dedicated to Arsenal was published at one time, which generally describes all the projects that he worked on. The book is called "Design Bureau" Arsenal "1949-2009". But alas, I could not find her on the network. And there a lot would open our eyes.
    For example, apart from the index, rocket parameters

    - project F-16 - strategic missile with interchangeable warheads for submarine projects 667 и 999 (1970);
    - project F-17 - a strategic missile of intercontinental range for the submarine project 941!!!!!!!! THAT IS ROCKET FOR "SHARKS" (1971);
    - project F-19 - light mobile soil ground-based strategic missiles of medium range with three interchangeable warheads (1974) - then most likely there was a competitor "Pioneer". But alas, we can only assume
    - project F-23 - marine strategic missiles with an intercontinental-range missile with interchangeable warheads for the project submarine 667BDR (1977);
    - project F-24 - marine RK with an intercontinental-range missile with a monoblock for the submarine of the project 667B (1977);
    - project F-27 - light small-sized strategic missile of various types of basing (1981)

    Perhaps the last (F-27) except option PGRK could be for BZHRK

    By the way, there is some generalized data on the American bomb B-61-12, because of which the whole fuss fired. But it is necessary to systematize before spreading. The only thing that can be said with a guarantee that it will go not in addition to the B-61 mod.4, which is now in Germany and on other bases, but to replace it
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    Amurets 28 September 2015 04: 08 New
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    Old26! Makeev didn’t appreciate the R-39 missile, he was a supporter of the liquid-propellant rocket engine, but he perceived the R-31 missile and the re-equipment of the K-140 as a threat to the D-9 complex. And here are the F-16, F-23 and F-24 clearly threatened Makeev’s work. We have already discussed this topic, but I want to say that in addition to the 27th Strategic Missile Forces division they were supposed to form a medium-range division, but I don’t know the details of this work. In principle, they were waiting for the military tests of the RT experimental regiment to be completed -15. They knew about the complex, there weren’t about the designers. Then preparations were underway for accepting the BCM on the BAM. I don’t know who was counting, but it was impossible not only to launch from the untracked track, even the mass-dimensional layout was spreading. Most likely the F-27 project is here would come to a place. Causes of creep: permafrost and a large mass of RBC, although it went along the Trans-Siberian Railway without undue impact on the path. Regarding B-61-12, the fact that there will be a planned replacement of the nuclear arsenal by the storage period was known three years ago, but the fact that the design of the bomb would be changed was elementary to be foreseen. And the fact that they would switch to GPS guidance was also clear . Perhaps here you can find the possibility of blocking the fuse, by blocking the protection. Moreover, you wrote that there is a multiplicity mechanism in it. What am I talking about? You can try to block the fuse with false pulses.
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    Old26 28 September 2015 09: 07 New
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    You can try to block the fuse with false pulses.

    An interesting thought ..... The safety mechanism does use 12-digit limited input code. Is it possible to access it at a distance (remotely) and from what distance - this is an interesting question. It is possible that there is no and removal from the fuse is carried out along the “airplane-bomb” circuit until it is reset

    Quote: Amurets
    And here are the projects F-16; F-23 and F-24

    There were still projects, I chose the most "significant"that could be competitors to Makeevites

    Quote: Amurets
    but I want to say that in addition to the 27th division of the Strategic Missile Forces they were supposed to form a medium-range division, but I don’t know the details of this work. In principle, they were waiting for the end of military tests of the RT-15 experimental regiment. They knew about the complex, there were no designers.

    As we also did not know what was being tested RT-15 was one of at least three options.

    And about the American bomb. As always, their modernization is divided into phases. According to one - EMNIP "Phase 6.3" all electronic filling will be replaced. According to "Phase 2" Co-contractors must deliver 2018 kits by 500, making this bomb manageable. The power seems to be about 45 kt and there will be 3 or 4 levels of power change of which 45 kt is the maximum
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      Amurets 28 September 2015 14: 15 New
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      I don’t know for what reasons, but Viktor Petrovich Makeev did not like solid fuel rockets. I read his interview in the film about the D-9RM missile system and considered RSM-54 to be my best creation. Only that Tyurinsky D-11 could compete with him , then, in principle, a possible option. Moreover, in 1964 Korolev declared that solid-propellant rockets are better for the military. Plus, the creation of new solid propellant production technologies. My friend took part in the destruction of our various types of missiles at a training ground near Chita. They destroyed together with the Americans, launching .And what was the surprise of the Americans when not a single rocket exploded and not a single rocket refused. Unfortunately I don’t know exactly what they destroyed, but I can’t clarify by the world of communication. Americans allowed up to 30% of missile storage failures at that time more than 10 years. He said that they destroyed all the junk that was stored in warehouses.
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    Amurets 28 September 2015 13: 32 New
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    Old 26! I don’t understand anything? Did they do it purely tactical? In the strategic version, its power reached 1,1 mt. 45ct to destroy the mine, in my opinion too little even taking into account the penetrator action. According to RT-15. They expected the complex on a caterpillar track, taking into account that caterpillars would be better on the swampy soils of the Far East. Moreover, the R-17 complexes located here were tracked. About the remote cocking of the fuse I threw the book "Weapons of Aviation". There the idea was expressed about the use of a radio fuse, such as a nuclear case, but only for one product. Well, I will not explain the principle of operation, you will guess. There is nothing complicated in it.
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    Old26 29 September 2015 10: 08 New
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    Unfortunately, what exactly did they destroy? I don’t know

    I also heard about the shock of the Americans at the destruction. It was about the destruction of our "Pioneers" by the launch method.

    Quote: Amurets
    Old 26! I don’t understand anything? Did they do it purely tactical? In the strategic version, its power reached 1,1 mt. 45ct to destroy the mine, in my opinion too little even taking into account the action of the penetrator.


    Yes, exclusively tactical. In principle, this is the same bomb B-61 Model 4, with guided planes and GMP guidance only.
    As for the strategic one, you Nikolai got a little confused. Even the strategic options of the B-61, and these are models 1, 7 and 11 - none of them had power 1,1 mt. Maximum 340 ct. You just confused with In-83It is truly strategic and has power in 1,2 mt. But she can only be dragged B-52, B-1 and B-2.

    In principle, this bomb is not intended to destroy silos, just point targets. As for the penetrator, it’s 11 model. The penetration depth is 6-15 meters. And this is already enough for 90% of the explosion energy to go into seismic waves and hit buried objects.

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    According to RT-15, they expected the complex on a caterpillar track, taking into account that caterpillars would be better on marshy soils of the Far East. Moreover, the R-17 complexes located here were caterpillar.

    About options RT-15 I also spoke because, in addition to the main version, several more were developed:
    F-9- This is a promising option for the development of RT-15
    F-12- this is RT-15 with ramjet
    F-13 - with combined propulsion system
    F-14 - with a more powerful combat unit.

    It was even developed using a backlog of RT-15 (8K96) intercontinental mobile-based F-10
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    Amurets 29 September 2015 17: 40 New
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    Volodya hi! I agree with everyone without comment. But on the W-61mk1 bomb, the power is 1,1 mt. The B-58 carrier is on the underwing pylons. If the Academician and Vicki are lying encyclopedias, then I’m lying too
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    Old26 29 September 2015 19: 55 New
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    Quote: Amurets
    Volodya hi! I agree with everyone without comment. But on the W-61mk1 bomb, the power is 1,1 mt. The B-58 carrier is on the underwing pylons. If the Academician and Vicki are lying encyclopedias, then I’m lying too

    I'll try to check the archive.
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    Old26 30 September 2015 00: 26 New
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    Nikolay! shoveled a bunch of materials on the bomb, and I can only say this. In just two places, the capacities differed from all those in all the lists, reference books, and articles. In one place of power are indicated 10, 100, 345, 500 ct. I do not think that these figures are correct, since it is the power of 170 kt that is the know-how of this munition. 170, not 100. But on the Global Security there really is a capacity of 1,1 mt. Although something else is not clear then. This model has been upgraded to model 7, and the one 10, 170, 340 ct. The modernization concerned the replacement of the initiating explosive in the primary module from the octogen RVX-9404 OH with a more heat-resistant, low-sensitivity explosive RVX-9502 based on triaminotrinitrobenzene. And if it doesn’t change me, my sclerosis has been replaced by a safety system
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      Amurets 30 September 2015 04: 18 New
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      Volodya also shoveled a bunch of materials. Initially, this bomb was called the TX-61. On the B-58, in the container MV-1, the charge W-53 was used, but it really has a capacity of about 1mt, so it could be confused with the TX-61 bomb In 1968 it was renamed W-61. By the way, this is not a bomb, but a family of bombs created in one housing, specially for external suspension. It uses several types of charges from other BGs. Now that’s what the MV-1 containers often flowed by their design and the W-53 charges came out of a standing position. For this reason, about 20 charges were disabled (Ilyin. Bombers. Volume 1). And this is a link to a small history of this bomb. Http://atomas.ru/milit/mk61.htm