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Police cut. Who will keep order?

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Russia is undergoing another large-scale downsizing of the Ministry of the Interior. According to the presidential decree, approximately 110 thousands of posts should be reduced - both in the central office of the Ministry, and in the field, in the territorial divisions of internal affairs. In fact, almost every tenth employee of the internal affairs bodies will be reduced. Thus, the second time in the last few years, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation is undergoing such a significant transformation. Prior to this, large-scale reductions in the internal affairs bodies took place in connection with the adoption of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Police” and the renaming of the police to the police, which resulted in the re-certification of personnel. Many policemen, regardless of titles and seniority, had to say goodbye to the service in the Ministry of the Interior and look for another job. According to the police officers themselves, not all of the newly certified police officers were the most worthy, and on the contrary - many serious professionals for some reason did not pass the re-certification and were forced to resign from the internal affairs bodies. Today, the situation repeats itself - large-scale reductions await both staff members and those who work "on the ground."


Prior to the signing of the presidential decree, the number of bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation was defined in 1,113 million employees. The presidential decree states: “to establish the maximum staffing level of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation (without personnel for the protection and maintenance of buildings), funded from federal budget allocations, in the number of 1 003 172 units, including ATS personnel in the number of 835 825 people, federal state civil servants - 5123 people, workers - 162 224 people. " The decree establishing the new number of internal affairs agencies of the Russian Federation was signed by Vladimir Putin on July 13 2015. Actually, this date can be considered the starting point of a new personnel reduction in the Russian law enforcement system.

Police cut. Who will keep order?
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The purpose of the reduction is to reduce the costs of the Ministry

The decision to reduce the number of internal affairs bodies is dictated by considerations of a financial and economic nature. Given the economic problems faced by the Russian state in 2014-2015, it was decided to reduce the cost of government agencies, including the internal affairs bodies. Since the beginning of 2015, the financing of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation has been reduced by 100 billion rubles. And this is despite the fact that in the Russian Federation, two new subjects appeared - the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, which constituted the whole Crimean Federal District. Deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation tried to convince the government to abandon the idea of ​​such a large-scale reduction of the internal affairs bodies, but this turned out to be an impossible task. The line of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation prevailed, and the president signed a decree on the reduction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. That is, in contrast to the previous reduction, this time, economic reasons contributed to the decision to reduce staff, rather than concern for improving the efficiency of the police and other units of the Interior Ministry. The reduction in the number of posts will affect the central office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the General Directorate for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption, the General Criminal Investigation Department, and other police structures. It is assumed that a number of hardware posts will be reduced by transferring employees working for them to coordinate the territorial units of the internal affairs bodies. In the General Directorate for Criminal Investigation, the General Directorate for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption, the Directorate of Special Purpose Units can reduce to half the posts.

Of course, the cuts will hit primarily those units that carry out information and cultural support for law enforcement. For example, employees of the press services of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and territorial subdivisions, United Integrated Office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs media group expect reductions (it includes: television editorial, Radio Militia Wave, radio station Shield and Sword, as well as the Police of Russia magazine, Professional ”,“ Medical Bulletin of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ”,“ Commonwealth ”), publishing houses, cultural centers, museums, libraries, musical ensembles of the internal affairs bodies. The need to reduce the staff of such units is due to the spread of information technology and related changes in the organization of educational work. According to officials, the Ministry of Internal Affairs can do without many employees of these units, although it is difficult to deny that the prevention of crime and crime also depends on competent information support, as well as on the openness of internal affairs bodies to the public, cooperation them with community organizations and civic initiatives. On the other hand, museums, libraries, musical groups contribute to the overall raising of the morale of employees, increase the authority of the internal affairs bodies in society, attract young people who want to connect their lives with service in law enforcement. Yes, there may be employees of press services and museums who are not directly involved in police operations, but their contribution to the common cause of fighting crime has also always been significant, it is difficult to underestimate him, and, moreover, to draw definite conclusions that without correspondents, museum workers or musicians can easily get along.

According to the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Kolokoltsev, this time the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will do everything possible so that the cuts do not affect the “base” units working “on the ground” - the criminal investigation department, district police, patrol and traffic police and road patrol. After all, when the police reform was carried out, connected with the transformation of the police into the police, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation reduced its number by about 20% of employees. It was planned to reduce the apparatus and ineffective policemen, but in reality, the consequences of the reform led to a huge shortage of just the most necessary police officers - precinct police officers and traffic police officers. Is there any guarantee that this situation will not happen again in 2015? So far, despite assurances from the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation of the “harmlessness” of cuts for the general background of the fight against crime, the public has already had questions on the course of ongoing organizational and staff activities. So, it became known that the strongest cuts will be held in the units of the Main Directorate of Private Security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation - the GUVO is expected to be reduced by about 30%. Recall that the General Directorate of private security is one of the most powerful and numerous police structures. Its responsibilities include the protection of objects and property of all forms of ownership while maintaining the functions of the police in the protection of public order and the fight against crime. Private security is a unique subdivision of Russian law enforcement. Perhaps, this is the only structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which exists not only at the expense of the state budget, but also as a self-supporting organization - private security provides enterprises, institutions and citizens with paid services for the protection of objects and property.

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What awaits the "night police"?

The structure and functional responsibilities of private security are rooted in the Soviet past of the domestic law enforcement system. 3 March, March 1920, 95 years ago, an industrial police force was created to protect industrial facilities and stocks, which became the predecessor of private security. In February, 1924 was created departmental police, whose duties included the protection of the property of state enterprises and institutions, the protection of law and order in protected areas. The departmental militia was maintained at the expense of those objects of the national economy, the protection of which it carried out. In 1952, under the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, the Independent Departmental External Guard (VNSO) was created, which in 1959 was given the authority to inspect and control the departmental security units that carry the guard and security services at industrial and national facilities. In 1966, the “Model Provision on Private Security at Internal Affairs Bodies” was adopted. After the transition to a market economy, the private security guards of the Ministry of Internal Affairs received new incentives for their existence and activities. The “dashing nineties” forced many enterprises and even individual citizens to turn to private security for help in organizing the protection of their property. At the same time, the units of private security also perform the functional duties of the usual units of the patrol and inspection service, guarding public order along the route of their patrols. Differences from the patrol service are that if a signal arrives from a protected object, the private security crew quickly responds to it and is removed from the patrol route, going to the protected object. Thus, private security makes a great contribution to the protection of public order on the streets. Many law enforcement officers believe that private security units are among the most effective and efficient in the ranks of the modern Russian police. After all, it is not for nothing that the off-site security service is called the “night police” - detention groups of the off-site security guard arrive promptly at a signal at any time of the day, they are on the streets, patrolling after midnight police have stopped their work. In addition to guarding objects, private security officers also check documents of suspicious citizens on the street, deliver persons in a state of alcohol and drug intoxication to territorial departments, travel to family scandals and fights in places of public rest, participate in operations to catch dangerous criminals. Never provoked complaints and combat training of private security officers. By the way, private security arrives on calls in helmets, body armor and with automatic weaponsThis is a combat and combat unit of the domestic police.

“Regulation on private security at the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation” was adopted on August 14 1992, and in 1993-2005. The private security also included the militarized security guard (VOKhR), which was responsible for the protection of objects and property. After the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Okhrana (FSUE Okhrana) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation was established in 2005, it was reassigned to the units of the militarized and guard guard, as well as the technical services that were previously part of the private security. Actually, the police units remained in the Department of State Protection of the Property of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. In 2006, the number of private security in the Russian Federation was about 350 thousand people, including 157 thousand certified police officers and 113 thousand militarized and guard officers of the FSUE “Protection”. In 2012, the number of PSB units, in accordance with the ongoing reform, was reduced by 22%. In accordance with the latest measures to reduce the number of internal affairs agencies, more than 43 thousands of employees will be fired from private security. It is assumed that in the ranks of the General Directorate of private security will be reduced, first of all, hardware services, as well as police, serving the protection of commercial financial institutions and museums. At the same time, the reduction of the FSUE “Protection” will not be made, since more than 40 thousand employees, who are considered civilians and are self-supporting, work in this structure. By the way, the FSUE “Protection” after its creation and increase of efficiency turned into a structure, in many respects resembling private security, except without performing police functions. Among the reasons for the reduction in the number of private security units are usually called the high cost of funding for police officers engaged only in the security service at commercial and some government facilities. It is emphasized that the police protection of important administrative institutions and objects of state importance will not be refused - in fact, in this case the state has no other way out. But commercial customers and government facilities, mandatory protection for which is not provided by the legislation of the Russian Federation, will no longer be able to use the services of private security.

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Who will protect the objects?

By 1 in November 2015, in accordance with the decree of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Kolokoltsev, the General Directorate of private security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation must terminate the agreements on the protection of stationary objects. Until recently, police officers protected 3,5 thousands of objects of state importance, but as a result of the ongoing reduction of positions in departments and departments of private security, the number of protected police facilities may be reduced to 262. In accordance with the law, Russian ministries will be able to create their own security services. Currently 15 federal ministries and departments have the right to create their own protection. These are the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Communications, the Ministry of Transport, the Ministry of Energy, Rosatom and Roscosmos, a number of other structures. As for those organizations that do not have the right to form their own guards, they will have to apply for security services to FSUE “Protection”, which is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, or to private security companies and enterprises. Needless to say, this decision caused bewilderment to many people familiar with the specifics of the activity of private security. It is well known that private security is much superior to private security companies in the possibilities of applying sanctions to violators of order - after all, private security officers are police officers and can apply sanctions that employees of private security companies do not have the right to. Secondly, private security in a profitable way differs from private security companies and in the real level of combat and service training of its employees. As certified police officers, private security officers have an appropriate level of training and are well aware of their rights and obligations. Among the private security personnel, most have experience in military service, both urgent and as officers. As well as employees of other police units, private security officers are regularly checked for professional competence, they organize advanced training. Differs for the better, as compared with private security guards, and the moral and psychological motivation of private security officers.

Last but not least, the cost of security services provided by the private security department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation has always been significantly lower than that of FSUE Guard, which is also part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (approximately two to three times). About the ratio "price - quality" in comparison with private security companies can not speak.
Naturally, a large-scale reduction in private security is already causing discontent among citizens and commercial organizations. It is doubtful that this step is justified in the conditions of the economic crisis, accompanied by inflation and the deterioration of life of the population and potentially contributing to the growth of crimes and offenses, including penetration of protected objects. With regard to territorial units, field-based structures of private security have always been an important component of the overall system of public order and the fight against crime. Take, for example, the Rostov region. According to the reports of the press service of the State Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Rostov region, a significant part of the crimes is prevented by private security officers, they also most often “take” criminals without delay. Recall that it was the private security crew that discovered the famous “gang of Amazons”, which carried out attacks and murders of law enforcement officers in the territory of the Rostov region. In addition, the Rostov region is currently a potentially problematic region for law enforcement, given the close proximity of the belligerent Donbass, a large influx of refugees and the associated consequences, which may also have a criminal nature. However, according to some sources, only in the Rostov region intend to reduce to 15% of private security personnel. However, they promise that the cuts will affect only employees serving at security posts in commercial and state organizations, while the engineering and technical staff and the composition of the detention teams will continue to serve as usual.

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For many government agencies, the decision to remove police guards from them has become extremely unpleasant. news. Thus, the objects of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation will lose their police protection. First of all, we are talking about state museums, which until recently were protected by the police. The risk of being left unguarded greatly disturbed the leadership of the country's museums and the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation as a whole. Ultimately, the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Medinsky, said that the protection of state cultural and historical values ​​would be entrusted to employees of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Protection" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who will serve in posts instead of police officers. The Ministry of Culture asks the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the protection of objects of national importance for 63. Despite the fact that the services of the FSUE "Protection" are much more expensive than the services of private security, domestic museums and libraries have nowhere to go. The Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation will have to contact the Ministry of Finance on the allocation of additional funds from the federal budget for the protection of state museums, libraries and other cultural objects of federal significance. At the same time, the personnel of the protection of museums can hardly change. The fact is that most of those private security officers who will fall under the reduction, but will want to continue the service related to law enforcement, are likely to transfer to the FSUE “Protection” and continue to serve on the same facilities, only as unattended security officers. Until 1 November 2015 Russian museums, libraries and archives must conclude an agreement with FSUE “Protection” for the protection of their premises and territories, since with 1 in November 2015, The activities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in fulfilling contractual obligations in the field of protection with cultural institutions will be terminated. Most likely, most of the Russian cultural institutions will conclude agreements with FSUE “Protection”. Of course, they have the opportunity to turn to private security companies, but not every museum agrees to cooperate with private guards, since the leadership of cultural institutions may doubt the level of training and the level of integrity of employees of any security companies. In addition, FGUP Okhrana is staffed primarily with former police officers, security agencies, and former members of the armed forces. That is, the level of training and moral and psychological motivation among the employees of the FSUE "Protection" is at the proper level. It should also be noted that the employees of FGUP Okhrana are armed not only with pistols, but also automatic weapons, and within the Federal State Unitary Enterprise there are mobile immediate response teams patrolling the areas around protected objects on cars and promptly arriving at a signal coming from the protected object. The reform of the protection of museums will also include the introduction of the protection of museums by mobile patrols. In the event of an alarm button or phone call, the employees of FSUE “Protection” will quickly go to the protected object, finding themselves there in a few minutes. At the same time, the police private security will also be involved in the protection of museums. So, the alarm signals will be received both at the security guard center of the FSUE “Protection”, and at the control panels of the private security units. Accordingly, the signal to the museum will arrive either a mobile patrol of the FSUE “Protection”, or the crew of the private security detention group. The heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and FSUE “Protection” promise that the security of state institutions of culture protected by the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not suffer from the ongoing changes in the security service.

The cuts are waiting for the device, but can they affect the “ground”?

The management of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation reports that the bulk of the cuts will affect hardware posts. However, the employees themselves - current and former - are quite skeptical about such allegations. They rely on the experience of previous years, when, under the pretext of optimizing the activities of the internal affairs bodies, the most serious reductions followed precisely in the lower divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The head of the police trade union, Mikhail Pashkin, in an interview with the newspaper Vzglyad expressed doubts that grassroots divisions would be able to avoid cuts. During the previous cuts, notes Pashkin, “ended up cutting the bottoms. Tops a little bit reduced, and then they filled the posts "on the ground." The number of private security - 45 thousand people. Where will they go? The same with the rest, which will be reduced. We are told that in the Ministry of Interior 6% is incomplete, and it is these posts that will be reduced. But have you ever seen one vacant position of the head or personnel officer? The bulk of the incomplete - "on the ground." And we are told, "land" will not be reduced. It means that they will reduce the number of working employees ”(quoted in: The Ministry of Internal Affairs prescribed to reduce every tenth employee // http://www.vz.ru/society/2015/7/13/755925.html).

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Indeed, after the famous reform carried out by the previous Minister of Internal Affairs, Rashid Nurgaliyev, the number of, for example, district police officers was significantly reduced. Meanwhile, it is the district police that is the most important link in the protection of order, on which not only crime prevention, but also the interaction of the police with the population rests. The public perception of the protection of public order, the fight against crime and, in general, of power, depends on the activities of the district police officers. If people do not see the results of the work of the district police officer, they begin to perceive the executive branch negatively - first the police, and then the administration. At the same time in the ranks of the district there is a large shortage, which affects the performance of this unit. One precinct authorized today works for two, three, or even five colleagues, and he simply does not have time to fully service the entire territory entrusted to him. In turn, the population begins to complain - why the police are not working? Overworked precinct precincts are dismissed from internal affairs agencies or transferred to other units, no one goes to precinct posts, which ultimately creates a lot of problems not only for the police, but for the whole society.

At the same time, there are a number of police posts that, in the opinion of the Moscow police union, can be reduced without any special negative consequences for the protection of public order. The union of police officers includes the following positions (the Ministry of Internal Affairs prescribed to reduce every tenth employee // http://www.vz.ru/society/2015/7/13/755925.html):

1) Chiefs of duty units. In the territorial divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, the actual operational duty organization is carried out by senior operational duty officers of district offices. However, if the functions of the chief of the duty officer are transferred to the senior operational duty officer, then an additional duty officer should be introduced. At the level of the directorates and the main directorates of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, in the opinion of the trade union, it is advisable to leave the post of the head of the duty unit - he will be engaged in analyzing and collecting information and monitoring the performance of the duty units of the lower-level police units.
2) Deputy Chiefs - Chiefs of Police at all levels of territorial units. The fact is that this post actually duplicates the post of the head of the OMVD, UMVD and GU MVD. Meanwhile, each activity of the internal affairs body has its leader. Therefore, the police union makes a recommendation to reinstate the former positions of deputy chief of the criminal police and public security police.
3) Deputy heads of departments of inquiry at all levels. This position, from the point of view of the management of the trade union of police officers, does not bear any duties, except for the replacement of the head of the department of inquiry during his absence. Therefore, the functional responsibilities of this position can be quietly transferred to senior investigators, which should be spelled out in the relevant job description.
4) Deputy Heads of Divisions of District Police Commissioners. This position has similarities with the post of deputy head of the department of inquiry, since it does not impose any duties on the employee who replaces it, except for replacing the head of the department during his absence at the workplace. The deputy chiefs of district officers do not serve specific areas and do not fulfill the duties of a district police officer, which does not at all contribute to the effectiveness of the activities of the district police officers.
5) Employees of private security departments and departments who guard the objects of public institutions and perform the duties of security guards. Among these officers there are not just certified police officers, but employees of the middle and senior commanding officers of the police, who actually have no other duties than carrying out security activities at the facility. Therefore, the trade union of police officers spoke in favor of transferring the protection of objects to FSUE “Okhrana” or private security companies.
6) Employees of the commandant units that carry out access control on the territory of the departments and divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. A strange situation arises when the internal affairs agencies, whose employees have the right to carry firearms, are guarded by the same police officers. Therefore, the staff of the curfew groups must be included in the duty units of the units, and the duty personnel must fulfill the duties of guarding the buildings.
7) Police convoy staff. The convoy divisions are charged only with escorting the suspects and the accused, except for the performance of which the police officers employed in the convoy divisions no longer do anything. According to the police union, the functional duties of a convoy can be transferred to the bailiff service. Moreover, in the territorial divisions, the duties of escorting suspects and accused are often carried out by officers of various police departments, from patrol officers to district police officers and criminal investigation officers.

Of the listed categories of police officers whose posts could be reduced, the most questions are raised only by the idea of ​​reducing the convoy police. So far we do not know anything about the fact that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is going to reduce convoy units and, moreover, to transfer the escort functions of suspects and detainees to the bailiff service. Meanwhile, the very possibility of such a move contributes to very lively discussions in specialized forums. Bailiff services are in fact civilian organizations staffed by civil servants, not all of whom even have experience in the military or have received special training. The convoy and guard units of the suspects and detainees, operating as part of the territorial police units, are “classic” combat police units - regiments, battalions, companies, platoons, squads, which are strictly ordered and carried out by certified police officers. The transfer of escort service to the bailiffs will significantly worsen the protection of suspects and detainees, moreover - in the future it can entail a lot of tragic situations. On the other hand, it raises questions and uses for escorting officers of other police units, since the latter (local police officers, criminal investigation officers, officers of the patrol and inspection service) must fulfill their duties without being diverted to escort duties.

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In addition to the reduction of private security units, it is not excluded that the number of internal affairs bodies in transport will significantly decrease. The transport police has always remained a fairly separate unit, but one should not underestimate its need in the common cause of fighting crime. Employees of the transport police perform very specific and complex tasks in the fight against crime and the protection of public order, often significantly surpassing the tasks of the territorial police units in terms of complexity. However, the Minister of Internal Affairs, V. Kolokoltsev, stated that employees of the linear divisions of the interior, guarding the order in water and rail transport, should not expect reductions. In 2011-2012 A very dubious idea of ​​a complete reduction of transport police units has already been discussed, but the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, fortunately for the employees, and, above all, for the citizens themselves, did not take this step. As a result, at present, the transport police units will not seem to be affected by reductions, at least - that part of them that works directly "on the ground", that is, on trains, at train stations, on water transport. It was decided not to make reductions also in the small aviation units of the internal affairs bodies and in the special-purpose units performing the most dangerous and complex functions, including in the framework of ensuring the anti-terrorist security of the Russian Federation.

It should be noted that the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, realizing the significant geographical, economic, socio-demographic, political differences of the regions of the Russian Federation, decided to reduce the posts in the internal affairs bodies at the regional level to be guided by the analysis of the specificity of a particular region. So, in Moscow, almost 7 thousands of posts are being reduced. In the Rostov region, about 1200 posts will be reduced at the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for the Rostov Region and the North Caucasus Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in transport. However, considering that the World Cup will be held in Rostov-on-Don in 2018, and the region as a whole is border and adjacent to the belligerent Donbass, the regional administration, as a result of negotiations with the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, reduced the number of abbreviated posts. As a result, not 10% police posts will be reduced in the region, but only 5%. In the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories, with the reduction of posts, the specifics of the regions will be taken into account, as in the republics of the North Caucasus. It was decided not to reduce positions in the Crimean Federal District, as well as in police units guarding order in a number of national regions of the Far North and the Far East, in view of the small number of personnel. Thus, the reductions do not affect the Chukotka and Nenets Autonomous Districts, the Jewish Autonomous Region. Thus, it is pleasing that in case of organizational and staffing events, the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation will take into account the real needs of society for the police, at least in the “problem” regions of the Russian Federation.

Remains relevant and the issue of employment of those police officers who fall under the reduction and will be forced to leave the ranks of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation. After all, many of them have served most of their lives in the police and have no civilian profession, or have lost their skills due to their long-term service in law enforcement. Of course, a significant part of the police will join the ranks of the same FSUE “Protection”, departmental security of the Russian Railways and other state corporations, and private security companies. But some experts warn about the possibility of leaving some downsized employees in shadow structures that offer money and opportunities incompatible with the wages of security guards. To prevent this, or, at least, to a considerable extent, minimize it, the authorities, with the participation of the public and commercial organizations, need to develop a program for the employment of former law enforcement officers.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 September 2015 06: 16 New
    +23
    There are no words except mat request Reformers got fucking am Instead of overclocking half of the chopsticks and taking their objects under guard, pump money into the budget ... fool Well, the fact that GZ will go first under the knife can not even write Objects, then there will be less negative About the retirees who used to be the backbone of the militarized and guard detachments, the conversation is separate. The second time in the morning I remember the Lavrovsky netlen recourse
    1. not a liberal
      not a liberal 14 September 2015 06: 36 New
      +11
      Really only a mat! Not a single living employee was reduced in the internal affairs department, and 39 out of 18 were left in private security. fool
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 14 September 2015 06: 41 New
        +9
        Quote: not a liberal
        Really only a mat!

        Exclusively am I was in this system from 93 to 99 and I know it from inside to and when I came to the department byd 5 chiefs When 35 only senior officers quit request Now the system will be completely killed
      2. -Kosmos-
        -Kosmos- 14 September 2015 10: 28 New
        +11
        They cut not only the guard. They cut a lot of people, but those who need it. They cut mainly those who work on the ground. We left 4 out of 3 platoons in our unit, 3 out of 2 battalions of the traffic police left. In the regional air traffic control unit in each RCF out of 8 operas, we left 4 each. There are no guardians in the region at all, they dispersed everyone ... And this is with an increase in crime throughout the region. The head of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate is already 70 years old! Probably not a particularly valuable and experienced employee, one ten young it’s worth ... And those who are sitting in the offices in the offices spit on the ceiling and don’t even know what the “earth” is at all ... They didn’t get lucky with the ministers ...
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 14 September 2015 18: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: -Kosmos-
          Cut a lot of people, but those who need

          Surprising is the fact that the police turned into the police, that is, in fact, they turned into professional office hired employees ... we go to the traffic police - there is no major, some girl - damn well, not older than 27 - captain, a little thicker than the standard thickness of the traffic police - Major, what the hell? Asterisks by the way cost money !! According to the physiognomies, it’s clear that these employees were not engaged in any service that was “dangerous and difficult” for a very, very long time wink But all over the world (since our iPhone is equal to the west), internal DPS employees are office workers, without ranks and, therefore, without additional payments, and a policeman is ALWAYS a police officer, regardless of his time at the moment, for which the money in mostly they pay, and benefits come from there too.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 15 September 2015 17: 05 New
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            Quote: Locksmith
            But all over the world (since our iPhone is equal to the west), internal DPS employees are office workers, without ranks and, therefore, without additional payments, and a policeman is ALWAYS a police officer,

            This problem is not only the police, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but the general.
            Although who is to blame and what everyone does is known.
            Roughly speaking, the one who can be fought, detained, sent to a counter-terrorist operation — the military (officers of the security forces equated to military service).
            The rest, also important, procurers, doctors in hospitals, media figures, musicians, personnel officers, accountants of various kinds and others — civilians, in the civil service, at least in peacetime.
            But, unfortunately, our leaders often reduce precisely those "who can be sent into battle ...
      3. AKESHA
        AKESHA 14 September 2015 15: 12 New
        +3
        The strange wording (reduction to reduce costs) is all the more reduced by the departmental which at least somehow pays for itself and it really is the most prepared unit on the street online. All the same, the lobbyists lobbied for the interests of Chopovtsy. It is a pity that now when the most inveterate criminals of the 90s go free. there will be no one to meet them
        1. lukke
          lukke 14 September 2015 16: 13 New
          -1
          You do not confuse PPP and Extra-departmental?
          1. AKESHA
            AKESHA 14 September 2015 21: 23 New
            0
            No, I don’t confuse only the person who gave 18 years of service to the Ministry of Internal Affairs knows which unit is considered the most prepared for work on the street.
        2. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 14 September 2015 19: 59 New
          +3
          By the logic of things, then, it is worth making changes and additions to the branch of law to expand the rights to self-defense and exceeding it (only protecting the life and health of oneself, loved ones and those in need, housing and property, without any conditions where any aggressor and the criminal must know that he is a potential corpse) and the principle "my house is my fortress", as well as the types of wearable weapons.
          Otherwise it will only get worse.
          After all, the authorities do not care, they will always have time to protect them.

          And with (relatively prosperous in comparison (!) And with twice as large population) Soviet period, there were whole standards for the number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per population.
          Now, what “effective managers” at the expense of the safety of the population did you decide to save the budget (by no means the fault of the population) ?!
          Again, shortsightedness and illiteracy, incompetence and impunity (which is the basis of permissiveness)?

          And again I want to quote P. A. Stolypin: "In Russia they like to start reforms only because it is easier to hide the inability to rule."
          You need to save on the oligarchs - so all the colossal state support in crisis moments into the "black hole" (and the result always tends to zero!). Not everyone can create a private guard, of which there will be more and more. Capitalism, however!

          "For those in power, there is no greater sin than cowardly evasion of responsibility." P.A. Stolypin.
    2. Barboskin
      Barboskin 14 September 2015 06: 37 New
      +23
      I would like to note that the rank-and-file and sergeant staff disappeared somewhere. Now majors are sitting at the entrance, the streets are patrolling with the rank of no less than a captain, a month ago, because of a drunken brawl under the window, he called the police, a major and a lieutenant colonel arrived.
      I recall the Soviet army joke:
      General Colonel- Do you have a pair of sensible majors?
      Colonel - That's right!
      General - Send to me, otherwise you need to move the cabinet in the office.
      1. ussrex
        ussrex 14 September 2015 07: 23 New
        +4
        When I served, in this joke, one general asked the other two colonels for the same purpose. And also such orders were remembered: “To put a slagbaum or sensible major at the entrance ...”
      2. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 13: 17 New
        +2
        ..... I would like to note that somewhere the rank and file and sergeant disappeared ....

        ..... laughing ..... Violet !!!! !!!! We have a feeling here that the police in the Russian Federation do not exist .... For a little over a year of Crimea entering the Russian Federation, I saw 2 times policemen on the streets of the city (two !! !), as well as the presence of the traffic police .... The question is about that gopher: "Do you see him ???? .... No ... But he still exists !!! ...". ... "Gophers" still get their salaries .... And they are considerable ... It is good that the majority of the people are law-abiding - everything goes on self-regulation ..... But slowly, irresponsible citizens are beginning to play pranks .... hi
      3. Locksmith
        Locksmith 14 September 2015 18: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Barboskin
        I would like to note that the rank and file and sergeant staff disappeared somewhere.

        Yesterday I saw a private and a sergeant, about 20 years old, that is, those who served time urgently, the sergeant carried a cigarette in his fist - the truth was not delayed publicly wink but did not throw laughing
    3. wanderer_
      wanderer_ 14 September 2015 07: 44 New
      +5
      I join the mat. At first they reduced us in the army, and as soon as we got a civilian, they reached out here with our own hands. I have a question. Here we are the healthy, young, smart peasants that the country taught, fed, dressed and spent so much money on us .... and what, now we are to be scrapped? fool
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 14 September 2015 10: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: wanderer_
        I join the mat

        It seems that this is a diversion of legalized criminal structures such as chop. The reason for this is a shortage of funds in the budget of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and those units that earn these funds are being reduced. I am 100% sure that the next step will be the adoption of the Law on the expansion of the powers of the PSC and then lawlessness will really begin with disassemblies and spheres of influence as in the 90s.
        1. wanderer_
          wanderer_ 14 September 2015 10: 29 New
          +4
          That's for sure, if it comes to the ridiculous .... I go to the prosecutor’s office, and it is guarded by the private security company, not the police .. that's where the budget money goes request
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 14 September 2015 13: 34 New
          +2
          - Just don’t need about the “criminal legalized structures” ... 30 percent of the “former” work in them, and after these idiotic reforms there will be even more ... No, so that the interaction between the private security companies and the Ministry of Internal Affairs is established, they are pushed against their foreheads! And why, in fact - the "feeders" are different! Here, besides the greed of some big ranks, there are no other reasons!
          - As for the "expansion of powers" - this has not "come up against anyone", more work - the same money
    4. lukke
      lukke 14 September 2015 12: 43 New
      +2
      Private security services, as practice shows, are cheaper than non-departmental (do not believe it - ask). What kind of budget did you mention there? You at least study the question first. Reduced private employees will not remain without work.
      But the absence on the screen of mummified monkeys with a constant tan in the rank of senior officers, I welcome with two hands !!!
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 14 September 2015 15: 31 New
        +4
        .... But the lack of mummified monkeys on the screen with a constant tan in the rank of senior officers ....

        .... I'm afraid that monkeys will just remain ..... laughing
    5. twviewer
      twviewer 14 September 2015 15: 58 New
      +2
      I had a funny story: a small store set up an illegal fence to unload goods 1.5 * 15m directly on the roadway in the center of St. Petersburg. So it was three months until Comrade General sent a check. The fence somewhere evaporated, an official answer was not found !!! :)
      the point is: the construction was like an eyesore and hundreds of police officers calmly drove past this "fence" every day. They did not respond to citizens' appeals. Are they blind, illiterate, irresponsible or still corrupt ?! who needs such a police ??
    6. Predator
      Predator 14 September 2015 16: 44 New
      +2
      So they will check in practice the expression-The most expensive thing for the state to have a cheap and small police
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 September 2015 06: 40 New
    +10
    In fact, almost one in ten employees of the internal affairs bodies will be reduced

    It is necessary to reduce in the central apparatus and the departments of small officials from the police, who sit in their pants and receive a decent monetary allowance. In no case should the operational staff and district police officers be touched. Certification is possible and necessary, but it is a very good tool for the boss to get rid of those who are personally objectionable to him.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 14 September 2015 06: 45 New
      +10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Certification is possible and necessary, but it is a very good tool for the boss to get rid of those who are objectionable to him personally.

      With the previous certification, we have already cleared the ranks of "too literate" smile
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 14 September 2015 10: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Bayonet
        With the previous certification, we have already cleared the ranks of "too literate"

        I do not know what to write. Faced personally, with these loafers. The wife with the money was stolen from the wife at the enterprise. So, they called me several times about fingerprints, it’s all nonsense. The investigator asked her a question, saying that where did you get such a sum of cash in your wallet, where did you get it, and whether it was. (The amount is huge)))) 12 tyr laughing ) The wife was shocked, says, the impression that I myself stole. So, he says, I’m no longer kicking there, not on any pretext. This is our trust in the authorities. About young lieutenants who were in the department, this is a separate issue. The guys went into the passport office, these greens in uniform, with arrogance, and out loud, they turned to them. It's what Chip is, and the Dales got into it. Here is such a culture in the organs. Scribe. Well, what more to talk about? Culture needs to be developed. am
        1. zubkoff46
          zubkoff46 14 September 2015 13: 23 New
          +4
          About culture - even 50 years ago there was a joke on this subject: grandmother sneezed in a tram. A nearby policeman wished her good health. The audience in the car rustled "What kind of militia we have .." To this, the policeman replies in a youthful voice: "But what about it! After all, we are f ....!"
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is necessary to reduce in the central apparatus and the departments of small officials from the police, who sit in their pants and receive a decent monetary allowance.


      Right! A colonel like 300 thousand gets, correct if the information is not correct.
      1. polukrovci
        polukrovci 14 September 2015 09: 31 New
        +8
        fantasy. Colonel in whom reg receives about 60.
  3. not a liberal
    not a liberal 14 September 2015 06: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Quote: not a liberal
    Really only a mat!

    Exclusively am I was in this system from 93 to 99 and I know it from inside to and when I came to the department byd 5 chiefs When 35 only senior officers quit request Now the system will be completely killed

    I’ve been in this system since 95, though in a civil position, since I fell under the rink of the previous reform, at the beginning of which there were 62 employees in the security unit.
  4. Glot
    Glot 14 September 2015 06: 50 New
    +6
    Today they cut, increase tomorrow, then again ... And they will allocate money for all this, and saw, saw, saw, and saw. )))
  5. hohkn
    hohkn 14 September 2015 06: 50 New
    +11
    In fact, almost one in ten employees of the internal affairs bodies will be reduced.

    That's just one in ten. By the end of September, 10% of the personnel should be reduced.
    According to the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Kolokoltsev, this time the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will do everything possible so that the reductions do not affect precisely the “basic” units working “on the ground” - criminal investigation, district police, patrol and road patrol services.

    Here they are just being reduced to their full height. In our city, criminal investigations of both BEP and district police officers are being reduced. The regional traffic police regiment is generally "multiplied by zero", only the city traffic police regiment remains. Recently, a friend got into an accident, traffic cops waited four hours, and then another three hours were spent on registration. GAI officers on the analysis were not in place - went on an accident.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    There are no words except mat

    Similarly. The second (or the third?) Time on the same rake! Rake running seems to be not only the Ukrainian national sport. fool
    1. captain
      captain 14 September 2015 09: 03 New
      +11
      Dear hohkn, your friend waited four hours for traffic cops, this is an indicator. But it was not Putin who gave the command to reduce the rank and file and sergeants, Putin gave the command to reduce, but did not indicate which category. We in the Ministry of Internal Affairs have a logistics service, personnel officers, doctors and other services whose employees may well be civilians. We have a huge number of staff headquarters, various political officers and other services. Why have so many people wearing epaulettes and retiring in 37 years (who graduated from educational institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs)? How much money do these people get from the budget? Why do we have more bosses than subordinates? Why do we not have enough people working on the ground? In our country, soon there will be more officials and managers than those working in production or in the service sector. The bulk of the officials attach their children, relatives, friends, etc. to subordinate structures. For this purpose, the staff of the ATS units is inflated. It is necessary to divide the police into federal, which will deal with especially grave, grave and moderate crimes, subordinate only to the federal center and municipal, which will deal with other crimes and report to regional and municipal authorities. And to retire employees must go to 55 years, as in almost all countries of the world, and not 37. There isn’t enough money for retirement in the budget, given that we have all the justice, the prosecutor’s office, the Ministry of Emergencies and a number of other departments on pennies leaving at a very young age. We have one with a bipod, seven with a spoon.
      1. Slavs69
        Slavs69 14 September 2015 12: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: captain
        must be 55 years old

        Yes, it would serve as joy, but optimization ..... the position is reduced.
      2. Nosgoth
        Nosgoth 27 September 2015 18: 58 New
        -1
        And the father does not even know what the boyars are doing ...
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 14 September 2015 15: 24 New
      +3
      Rake running seems to be not only the Ukrainian national sport. fool

      Well, this is an inevitable process. When the enterprise is sanitized, the enterprise itself ... of course, loafers from the bosses reduce workers from subordinates. And appoint someone from the side ... Sredyukov. No one will go to sanitize the police, no one wants to be Serdyukov.
      And the article is just brilliance. Somehow I came across statistics - how much our Ministry of Internal Affairs spends on “prevention and prevention”. Gasped. If this money was spent on real prevention, crime in Russia would cease to flow. Plus this same media holding ... and most of all delivered by private security!
      If someone is not in the know, private security is a completely commercial enterprise. The acting is extremely dishonest - her employees do not experience any problems with carrying and using weapons, for example.
      At one time, non-departmental (it’s not clear with what fright) worked honestly - and a stream of real money flowed into the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But the money was reported! Paw in them did not come out. Now it is terribly unprofitable ... and the flow of black money steadily flows up the pyramid. Against physics, but completely according to the laws of corruption. And then the government launches some horrors! Time you are unprofitable - 30% of parasites out! What are you ?! But what about the black hundreds of millions that commerce pay by the cash register? So there are articles about the shaft of crime, which will sweep away, it’s worth only to take the feeder from some people.
      The reform, of course, will not succeed. Now, if it concerned exclusively the central apparatus, which would reduce thousands on 200, just half of the necessary reduction would be. But where there ... however, some tails still nip. Well, at least thanks for that.
  6. otto meer
    otto meer 14 September 2015 06: 53 New
    +7
    Maybe the reduction is certainly bad, but! In the form that the police now have (sorry police), this is a bulky, inefficient machine, mired in bureaucracy and bribery, nepotism and protectionism. This is confirmed by a number of resonant cases when real ghouls-killers received suspended sentences, or were released with an apology, and people who really defended themselves and their loved ones received "in full". Yes, I know, this is not the fault of “honest cops”, but of courts, prosecutors, etc. etc. But for me, as for the average layman, this is all one mafia. Here are extra-departmental security, cut them, what a pity! Only behind my boxes every night there is one patrol (crew? Hz, three men with machine guns, in a dozens of dozens) of this extra-departmental, they just sleep, or they have a cultural rest with bodies, sometimes under vodka. Every night. Now, if they are reduced, probably nothing will change.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 14 September 2015 06: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: otto meer
      , three men with machine guns, on a dozen tattered) of this extra-departmental, they simply sleep, or culturally rest with bodies, sometimes under vodka. Every night

      In the 90s we were not up to sleep request Maybe since then, something has changed in the country what
      1. otto meer
        otto meer 14 September 2015 10: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan67
        In the 90s, we were not up to sleep. Maybe since then, something has changed in the country
        And you know, maybe it has changed. Just now thinking about it. About three weeks ago, I cut one alkagan of another and so many policemen came in large numbers! Three cars, eight people, two majors, such a vigorous activity was developed. And before this was an ordinary ordinary business. I can’t say that the blind people were "piled out", but 2-3 corpses for six months, somewhere, it was for sure. I also remember that it was fraught with walking in other regions, but now go even in the afternoon, at night, no one needs you for nothing. But here is another problem looming - "Keshkelde, Zheldera" begin to raise their heads and this will be a big problem.
    2. ussrex
      ussrex 14 September 2015 07: 26 New
      +8
      An honest cop will never be in the same mafia with a judge and a prosecutor. Purely IMHO.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 14 September 2015 08: 33 New
        +4
        Do you in principle imagine honest judges and prosecutors?
      2. fif21
        fif21 14 September 2015 09: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: ussrex
        An honest cop will never be in the same mafia with a judge and prosecutor
        Well, in the first cops there, but there are policemen. And the fact that they have their own mafia is you right wassat
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  7. pexotinec
    pexotinec 14 September 2015 07: 00 New
    +11
    Our battalion has been completely reduced. The owners are in shock. A reduction of up to 95% SVR is expected. It is necessary to reduce the Finance Ministry, it might be more sense or cut their salaries, but to someone who came up with the idea of ​​reducing the SVO to drive a healthy nail into the head. It’s not the apparatus that is being cut, but who on earth is a fact. Soon to be reduced. Oh, how awkward.

    Ps Already in the first six months, the number of crimes increased by 16%. It comes to the fact that the heads of the territorial departments go out to inspect the scene of the incident due to a lack of employees.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 14 September 2015 08: 35 New
      0
      The head of the district department leaves to personally inspect the scene? This cannot be! Do not mislead people on the site! am
    2. Bruss
      Bruss 14 September 2015 11: 52 New
      -1
      In-in! Guessed to cut what really money for the budget and earns! Theater of the absurd!
  8. kolkulon
    kolkulon 14 September 2015 07: 06 New
    +2
    But the bureaucracy is not destiny to reduce?
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 14 September 2015 08: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: kolkulon
      But the bureaucracy is not destiny to reduce?


      And salaries. By the way, deputies also ...
  9. Deniska999
    Deniska999 14 September 2015 07: 12 New
    0
    I have no words. Our officials are completely crazy.
  10. samuil60
    samuil60 14 September 2015 07: 21 New
    +13
    That is why there really would be a sense - so from the reduction of the Ministry of Finance. And not only Siluanov, but also Ulyukaev, Dvorkovich, Shuvalov, Livanov and others like them. Then, perhaps, the country would have sighed. But seriously, in the 80s, when I was still living in St. Petersburg, the police really were present on the streets day and night. And it worked. Then, in the 90s, she disappeared behind the iron doors of the branches, locked up to all locks, where she still sits, appearing only at rallies and ceremonies organized by local authorities. Shpane and crooks - expanse! And, no matter how much dirt our people would pour, with such police work, for example, in the USA, they would already have no way out, even during the day. Well, we will survive these reductions ...
  11. GUKTU
    GUKTU 14 September 2015 08: 02 New
    +5
    It would be better to reduce the monetary content of the deputies and all parties. But each deputy still has a bunch of assistants.
  12. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 14 September 2015 08: 07 New
    +12
    So I celebrated the anniversary yesterday:) I have been serving in the Police for 20 years, and soon I’ll probably have to look for another job, I work in the traffic police as a traffic accident officer, we have a company of 50 people, and although they say that they will not cut anyone on the ground, everyone they’re lying, they’ve already told us that there will be no company, they want to reduce 21 people, remove the duty part of the traffic police, generally the complete collapse of the system (and what does nothing say before the election, in the same PSB people even know whether to look for work or not, and we have silence, most likely at the last moment they will confront the fact
  13. 31rus
    31rus 14 September 2015 08: 07 New
    +2
    A state that does not want to take care of the safety of its citizens will receive sooner or later problems (public order, drug addiction, economic and criminal crimes, etc.), the solution of which will drag on for a long time (drug addiction, miss the situation, lose youth) if in general turn the tide and even more money investing (economists are bad for us), here’s the true concern for the people, and what you don’t need to protect, pay a penny, put in no way, but the question is to me such "commanders"
    1. Btv
      Btv 14 September 2015 09: 16 New
      +2
      And now everything is fine with us! No addiction, nothing straight. I have a cop over the fence, and drug addicts hang out on the bench from morning till night. I’ve never seen a patrol take at least one of them. Or else, the same patrol will be collected by two cars, I mean PPS , 300 meters from the cops in a small thicket, and they hide there, instead of patrolling. Distinguished service! And how many more of these there will be typed in the city, not to mention the state as a whole! And if you get a job with the police, you should at least be a hero of Russia with legal education !!! It’s interesting when the sergeant’s staff manages to get this education if he walks along the street, and he looks 23 years old and at the same time he served in the army and here he has been in service for several years !!
    2. fif21
      fif21 14 September 2015 09: 57 New
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      A state that does not want to take care of the safety of its citizens will receive problems sooner or later
      It seems that ordinary citizens get problems. After everything I’ve read, I want to buy AKMS or TT! The chatter of our rulers, I no longer believe. But their affairs suggest an amnesty, a reduction in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and a deterioration in the standard of living of the population! This is a signal that my safety is only my problem. And I sneezed at their law on exceeding the limits of self-defense! I want to live, but let the one who wanted less evil rot in the earth.
  14. Support
    Support 14 September 2015 08: 17 New
    0
    But all is well, rushing from the zombie’s screen. By the way, why does Medvedev have bags under his eyes? Obviously not cash. Is the iPhone boy sick?
  15. Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 14 September 2015 08: 17 New
    +3
    I fully confirm that they are cutting live. At the same time, they do not touch the staff. In full growth, the threatened period is on the nose, and these bureaucrats are cutting off the security services and then cutting off the money allowance for everyone, and now we have reached the protection of law and order!
  16. Whowhy
    Whowhy 14 September 2015 08: 19 New
    +4
    I experienced three contractions in my time. Each time, in spite of the promises, the “land” was also given. Often cut those who are objectionable to the authorities - "cuts the truth, the womb."
    Once again, it seems, they will destroy the service of psychologists ...
    But from what economic considerations, I wonder, are they going to reduce private security to ???
    The saddest thing is the steady degradation of power and a voluntaristic approach to all organizational activities. Where is the scientific approach ???
    Each reduction, in my memory, led, first of all, to the destruction of established structures and activities aimed at protecting citizens. Then it was recovering bit by bit for a long time and ... - bang, again everything down the drain. Three years later, I am sure (as it was every time) the number of police will be restored to the previous level, but snotty newcomers will replace the professionals ...
    In captivity, gloomy thoughts come to mind - but isn’t this specially done ??? After all, a sharp drop in living standards and, as a result, a significant increase in crime and social tension are expected ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 14 September 2015 08: 39 New
      0
      They intend to reduce non-departmental security for the simple reason that security is a business. And in the country, and so on, over 1 million work in private security companies. For state protection there is a FSO, they themselves are involved in the personal protection of power structures. Everything else is at the mercy of "arms entrepreneurs."
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 14 September 2015 10: 08 New
        +5
        In our city, there were 78 PSCs and OVOs for 16 thousand people. Each little jumped LLC jumped up with its secret police (the ability to carry a rifled short barrel is legal). After 2010, something changed: PSCs of all kinds of CJSC, LLC and TP turned into light-emitting diodes ( security services for enterprises) and VHCs (corporate protection services). What they got was no weapons, salaries collapsed, trained people left, those who came came. The protection of commercial banks was quickly transferred by snowdrops to two more or less strong private security companies, the results were but yaks, only in profile. About twenty years ago, 3 crews plus 20-30 stationary posts stood on duty at the PSB. Now, God forbid, one and a half cars and four hospitals. At the same time, the arrival standards simply disappeared (it used to be 8 minutes in the afternoon and 6 minutes at night) .Now we come to another tricky question - what is the difference between the conclusion of an agreement on the protection of property with the PSB and with private security companies? Legislative framework-private security companies in theory can only stand at the door and checking the operation (triggering an alarm), and the employees of the extra-extra-judicial all the same are full-fledged police officers with all those who get out. Now let’s imagine what will begin when the PSB posts are removed from museums and special objects and all this is handed over to private security guards. In general, the topic of private security companies and departmental security squads deserves a separate article for discussion.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 14 September 2015 15: 40 New
          0
          Kh.A. Just stopped by the guys in the traffic police. After the regional regiment was disbanded, the remnants were brought into the regional company (the remnants from the third battalion and the city traffic police). . The rest of the bosses, the deputies of the bosses, and so on. For the sake of fun, asked who will work then? And in response, a shrug and an answer, just to sit until retirement !!!
  17. Megatron
    Megatron 14 September 2015 08: 27 New
    -9
    It’s very good that SVRs are being reduced, it’s time for these freaks to disperse.
    Regarding the offenses and the seizure of everything possible from citizens, they are ahead of the rest.
    1. polukrovci
      polukrovci 14 September 2015 09: 35 New
      +4
      Look at yourself.
    2. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 05: 53 New
      -1
      They offended you, poor fellow? So flog less! And then get drunk, the property will pass ** ut, and then begins: "I coped the bad cops ..."
  18. Fox
    Fox 14 September 2015 08: 31 New
    +7
    but to reduce it ... it is NECESSARY !!!! only the infantry will be taken away again. When I served, there were 100 people in the department. There were 80 of them on the ground. Now there are 45 other offices on the ground. These would be: psychologists, accountants , technicians, deputies, who knows why there is nothing to drive out, there would have been more order. The comrade served 23 years in the DC, the day for two of them-19 years. And the bosses became three times more!
  19. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 14 September 2015 08: 39 New
    +5
    Mr. Rogozin shows the robots. Maybe police robots will be made ... But seriously, the government should not go into the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but rather increase the staff. The influx of migrants, troubled neighbor Ukraine. Now the flow of weapons from the atom will go. Not enough money for the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Let's make in the Duma not 450, but 88 deputies. The Federation Council will be reduced several times.
    1. fif21
      fif21 14 September 2015 10: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Tankist_1980
      Let's make in the Duma not 450, but 88 deputies. The Federation Council will be reduced several times.
      In the Duma, a dozen deputies are enough, and the Federation Council of three people. I am convinced that the effect will be the same.
      1. the villain
        the villain 14 September 2015 23: 33 New
        0
        Quote: fif21
        In the Duma, a dozen deputies are enough, and the Federation Council of three people. I am convinced that the effect will be the same.

        Do not tell, I think that the harm from them, in this situation, is not by interest, but by several times less hi
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  20. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 08: 41 New
    -10
    Quote: Ruslan67
    There are no words except mat request Reformers got fucking am Instead of overclocking half of the chopsticks and taking their objects under guard, pump money into the budget ... fool Well, the fact that GZ will go first under the knife can not even write Objects, then there will be less negative About the retirees who used to be the backbone of the militarized and guard detachments, the conversation is separate. The second time in the morning I remember the Lavrovsky netlen recourse

    clever))))
    cut the business and give planned .....

    It’s time to reduce your parasites for a long time, oil is getting cheaper - you don’t need a budget.

    Threat country of pensioners from the budget, and not a healthy economy will be.
    zzy create your product in demand, enter the market, otherwise you are used to being service ..... parasites.
    1. Tomich2
      Tomich2 14 September 2015 09: 33 New
      -5
      I completely agree with you, the district police officers are so useless at all, on what issue you will not contact, they are not authorized, they are never in place, either on hunting or fishing.
      Let the whiners go to the plants.
  21. Chulman
    Chulman 14 September 2015 08: 41 New
    -3
    Oyo yo! Everyone has no words, only mats! Why are you crying? And why didn’t you since your youth go to wave the Kyle? Didn’t want to inject?
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 05: 54 New
      0
      We didn’t go so that you, a hard worker, do not clean your drunk mopping face every week from nothing to do
  22. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 08: 47 New
    -3
    requisitions arrange and settle things, that’s the whole mentovka.

    Threat you must be in check with the people to be, take care of my sleep and pocket. All.
    Zzy with private traders is easier for me to work, the order is an order of magnitude higher, because they are afraid of losing their job, contract.
    zzy here or you plow for a piece of bread that I give, or go outside.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 September 2015 08: 56 New
    0
    So what? The country is swinging, or rather, a base is being created for it. Of course, under good intentions.
    I wonder when the criminals will understand that now everything is possible?
    When will citizens be massively armed with improvised means, going out into the street?
    Is "hello 90 e" again awaiting us?
    Ambulance, by the way, is also being actively reduced, driving a wave of negativity at it plus forcing doctors to quit.
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 05: 55 New
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      Quote: Zomanus
      driving a wave of negativity at her

      And we are going. It is not only the power to blame. You yourself often need to turn on your head.
  24. Megatron
    Megatron 14 September 2015 09: 02 New
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    Something like that.
  25. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 09: 04 New
    -5
    The 90s is a period, a period of redistribution of roles in the future, some of whom are rich, some are nobles, and some are peasants.
    PS now nobles will not let the peasants rebel, for the period of formation of market relations has passed.
    We have a decent society and the children of even energetic people of the 90s become icons of decency.
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  27. fif21
    fif21 14 September 2015 09: 21 New
    +4
    Keywords are abbreviations for economic reasons. Let's look at the issue from an economic point of view. Who in the Ministry of Internal Affairs brings revenue to the state? DPS-yes, PPS-yes, Precinct-yes, Extra-departmental security-yes, departments for economic crimes, yes, "permits" -yes. Reducing these services, the state causes economic harm to itself! Since they fully or partially pay for themselves. So the proverb comes to mind - the fish rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail!
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  29. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 09: 26 New
    -5
    all that came out of mentovik and is connected with it ..... this one about business is ALL THIS ROTTEN CORRUPTION.
    reduce this system, treat .... reduce and treat again.
  30. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 14 September 2015 09: 31 New
    +5
    Who will protect the civilian population ?? The population itself, there is no hope for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, remember the cases when one police head was broken in the market when his colleagues stood quietly on the sidelines.
  31. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 09: 32 New
    -4
    clean the residence permit and the district police officer will start to fight, such a feeder.
    Threat there is no registration - write it in the database, and do not arrange requisitions.
    zzy the whole system is arranged to collect money, and not to establish order and control.
    zzy because it is not registration that prevents crime, but competent analysis and information collected by the precinct ..... BUT NOT COLLECTING MONEY, PENALTIES, or TICKETS for apartments.
  32. Bassoon
    Bassoon 14 September 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    Hedgehog it is clear that those who are on the ground will be reduced first of all. The staffers will remain with their own.
  33. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 09: 34 New
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    Now they are directly guarding.
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    Who will protect the civilian population ?? The population itself, there is no hope for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, remember the cases when one police head was broken in the market when his colleagues stood quietly on the sidelines.

    so he paid them, they seemed to be obliged and stood ....
  34. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 14 September 2015 09: 34 New
    +11
    Gaucher American and Chulman. Have you guys tried to serve in the organs? In the 90 years? I know for myself
    11 years worked in the police department of the region. I saw the whole kitchen. And two Chechen, and bandit wars and lawlessness. AND
    I buried the children who died ... I know what amplification is, operations are endless, nights are sleepless, duty
    at football matches, cordon with the threat of terrorist attacks ... And that, I worked in those services, and the main occupation was motor transport! And those on earth?
    And with a tongue balabolit-specialists enough ...
    1. wanderer_
      wanderer_ 14 September 2015 11: 54 New
      +3
      This is true, they can only use the language here ... all the hardships of the service, those who through our relatives have gone through it, and it’s not worth discussing with these, is useless.
  35. interpolrus1
    interpolrus1 14 September 2015 09: 36 New
    +7
    The day before yesterday was at 11 OP Ekaterinburg wrote a statement and incidentally chatted with the opera. According to him, in the OP there are 3 live operas. Personally, he works with "motorcycle racers", "youngsters", "apartment owners," and there’s a whole bunch of everything - I don’t remember what. In addition, duty - every other day at the belt. In such situations, what crimes can he solve, but his keyboard on the computer blushes from intense work to 12 o’clock in the afternoon.
  36. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 09: 43 New
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    Quote: AlNikolaich
    Gaucher American and Chulman. Have you guys tried to serve in the organs? In the 90 years? I know for myself
    11 years worked in the police department of the region. I saw the whole kitchen. And two Chechen, and bandit wars and lawlessness. AND
    I buried the children who died ... I know what amplification is, operations are endless, nights are sleepless, duty
    at football matches, cordon with the threat of terrorist attacks ... And that, I worked in those services, and the main occupation was motor transport! And those on earth?
    And with a tongue balabolit-specialists enough ...

    why do we live like this?
    exhaust outlet?
    shit system?
    Threat mentovka - money and power, that’s the temptation with problems.
    zzy what you do not hand over for bribes and excess?
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 05: 56 New
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      And in your Debilostan decided to take their? You weren’t Pavlik Morozov in a past life?
  37. Marley
    Marley 14 September 2015 09: 48 New
    +3
    TASK:
    They were going to reduce 30% of the GUVO employees.
    Previously, 3,5 thousand state facilities were protected. values, and in the near future only 262 will be protected!
    Question: How did it happen that by reducing the staff by 30%, we get a reduction in the number of facilities protected by them by almost 92,5%?
    Very interesting))
  38. Nord2015
    Nord2015 14 September 2015 10: 01 New
    +1
    However, police people fear as well as bandits. And as regards the extra-departmental, he himself saw how at one enterprise, ChOPovtsy were screening out a detachment of military police officers in front of the inspecting police chief, supposedly they were on patrol, and they were sleeping peacefully behind a wall in the garage. I do not row all under one comb. But the renaming of the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not reach its goal. Did the stick-based service rating system remain? Has the population become more trusted?
  39. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 10: 08 New
    -4
    Quote: Marley
    TASK:
    They were going to reduce 30% of the GUVO employees.
    Previously, 3,5 thousand state facilities were protected. values, and in the near future only 262 will be protected!
    Question: How did it happen that by reducing the staff by 30%, we get a reduction in the number of facilities protected by them by almost 92,5%?
    Very interesting))

    from 3,5 thousand objects of state significance to 262.

    Threat of the rest of the people at commercial facilities.
  40. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 10: 15 New
    -3
    all for FSUE "Protection".
    Threat reduction of powers and social. state obligations.
    zzy apartments do not need to be given, pensions on a common basis, honey. insurance, as we have peasants, earn money ourselves .....
  41. provincial
    provincial 14 September 2015 10: 18 New
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    "The purpose of the reduction is to reduce the costs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs" - but for some reason the increase in explosives.
  42. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 10: 20 New
    -3
    Quote: provincial
    "The purpose of the reduction is to reduce the costs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs" - but for some reason the increase in explosives.

    BB does not take money and conscripts are cheaper.
    Threat there is already State security, and not the dream of Vasya and Petit.
  43. Mera joota
    Mera joota 14 September 2015 10: 37 New
    +5
    In Novosibirsk there is a regional police department, regional police department and city police department. In each herd of obese police officers. We have survived more than one reform and reduction, and this will survive ...
    PS: the last reform in our area reduced three! police department, people in order to contact the police had to pedal to distant lands ... In the only department on duty there was real hell!
  44. Storsh
    Storsh 14 September 2015 10: 48 New
    +7
    am am am
    A bit of history - remember how and with what the reduction of the armed forces in the 90s began. With the cries of mother-fucking mothers about their "children" who do not want to go to serve in the army. From the strongest press, TV and other media to the Moscow Region, the constant “bulging” of all the chernukha and negativity. After the country's opinion about its army formed properly under the ax of reduction, first of all went professionals who were displeased to the authorities, but who knew how to do their job.
    Remember how the reduction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs took place in 2010. Preparation of public opinion - according to the methodology already developed at the Moscow Region. Two-year-old chernukha in the media, opinion prepared, those in power react - minus 22% of the personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the street. Moreover, speaking of my land, I can even name the numbers. Before the reduction, a little more than 17 thousand people per two-million population. Out of 17 thousand - about 5 thousand administrative staff. After the reduction, the total number of police personnel is about 12 thousand, of which apparatchiks are the same 5 thousand. am
    The load on one precinct before the reduction was 3,5 thousand people. After the reduction - 7 thousand. for a settlement of 7 thousand people - 1 ment.
    In our town, before the reduction, there was a department of 300 people. People walked quietly through the streets in the evening, of course there was enough kov - but the cops reacted on time, there were calm on the streets. After the reduction, 57 people remained. People in the evening disappeared from the streets.
    Another reduction will surely take a ride on the grassroots structures - none of the apparatchiks wants to retire.
    I always had and the question arises - are they up there only thinking about the "budget"? And as I understand it, more about personal budget. And the second question - who finances these "revolutions" in the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc.
    Now in the media, a company about chernukha in medicine and education is expanding more and more ... Looking forward to organizational conclusions?
    Respectfully, retired police lieutenant colonel.
  45. provincial
    provincial 14 September 2015 10: 50 New
    +2
    And we give gas to the police for 5-7 liters per day. And the last time I saw a local police officer in 1993, he checked the storage of hunting weapons and that’s all. But on the road at the beginning of the month and the end there are strange policemen who are clearly not like the traffic police , making them breathe in the nose, and not in the device.
  46. Free wind
    Free wind 14 September 2015 10: 56 New
    +5
    By the number of policemen, we have long been ahead of the entire USSR, although the people have become 2 times smaller. fanned the police, not yesterday, of course, but. In 88 in our region, the police chief was a major, and there were 15–20 cops, now the colonel is the chief, there are well over a hundred people, and the number of people in the region and the town is 3 times less. Many policemen have shops, of course, everything is written down to relatives, they are so poor.
  47. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 14 September 2015 11: 11 New
    +3
    The funny thing about this sad thing is that no reduction in financial costs will occur. They will reduce costs in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - they will increase it by an even larger amount in the same Rosatom and similar ministries. Here on this occasion I have a question. But isn’t it more profitable to “reduce” the mediocre government, led by the most competent manager Dmitry Anatolyevich, at least for the mediocre reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs under the leadership of Nurgaliyev. Such crazy funds were spent on this reform, and it was recognized as unsuccessful. And correctly, the author of the article noted that at the level of the municipal department, the number of bosses, as a result of that reform, increased.
    Maybe it’s better to deal with Skolkova or Nana, but what about 5 lyam. the monthly salary of the former head of Russian Railways, or the salary of Mr. Sechin, maybe there are "hidden" financial reserves that the country needs now.

    Something I, today, a hefty emotional. But I really, like the hero of the Magnificent film, are offended that our really Great Power has such a mediocre government.
    1. fif21
      fif21 14 September 2015 13: 51 New
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      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      But isn’t it more profitable to “reduce” the mediocre government, led by the most competent manager Dmitry Anatolyevich, at least for the mediocre reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs under the leadership of Nurgaliyev.
      You can not scold a man for his dream! lol Since childhood, Dimon dreamed that the police were called the police. wassat A dream come true ... Gazprom dreams come true laughing
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  48. bbss
    bbss 14 September 2015 11: 13 New
    0
    Another headache.
  49. wanderer_
    wanderer_ 14 September 2015 11: 40 New
    +6
    Quote: goshaam
    It’s time to reduce your parasites for a long time, oil is getting cheaper - you don’t need a budget.

    Threat country of pensioners from the budget, and not a healthy economy will be.
    zzy create your product in demand, enter the market, otherwise you are used to being service ..... parasites.


    I apologize for YOU ... But what do you even know about the service? .. you think you get good salaries and give apartments? .. only if something happens, then immediately run to the police, they say help relatives ... you trolls e * **** ... It is true that the song sings: ... our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance it is sometimes not visible ....
    1. Bruss
      Bruss 14 September 2015 12: 13 New
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      Do not pay attention to him! There are a couple of specialists here! On emotions, along the way, they deduce!
      1. Commissar of the NKVD
        Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 05: 59 New
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        Surely served in a shameful article and now they have all the bad
    2. vlade99
      vlade99 15 September 2015 04: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: wanderer_
      run to the police, they say help relatives ... you trolls e ***** ... It is true in the song sung: ... our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance it is sometimes not visible ....

      You lie and do not blush. The author of this song, Dima Rubin, is drinking a strong drink with me and recalls how he wrote it. The question he asked me is, what does this have to do with the police?
    3. Redlight
      Redlight 15 September 2015 18: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: wanderer_


      I apologize for YOU ... But what do you even know about the service? .. you think you get good salaries and give apartments? .. only if something happens, then immediately run to the police, they say help relatives ... you trolls e * **** ... It is true that the song sings: ... our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance it is sometimes not visible ....


      I agree with a colleague. We will not even come at times, but our service is not visible to them at all. Yes, they do not want to watch.
  50. goshaam
    goshaam 14 September 2015 11: 47 New
    -5
    Quote: wanderer_
    Quote: goshaam
    It’s time to reduce your parasites for a long time, oil is getting cheaper - you don’t need a budget.

    Threat country of pensioners from the budget, and not a healthy economy will be.
    zzy create your product in demand, enter the market, otherwise you are used to being service ..... parasites.


    I apologize for YOU ... But what do you even know about the service? .. you think you get good salaries and give apartments? .. only if something happens, then immediately run to the police, they say help relatives ... you trolls e * **** ... It is true that the song sings: ... our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance it is sometimes not visible ....

    it's your emotions.
    she’s sick of asking again, she’s even sick, but for some reason you’re getting a salary.
    Threat, my wife and I rented a house in a neighboring house where we were registered, so the district police officer never got off extorting 3000 rubles from us, called his wife for questioning, and took his passport.
    PS until the whole porch once thrown out of the porch it onto the street ......
    Zzy I would forks .... but we are not savages.

    zzy I do not need to whine for the service ......


    Do not compare intelligence with the cops.
    1. wanderer_
      wanderer_ 14 September 2015 12: 12 New
      +1
      of course the family is not without freaks, but it’s not necessary to judge everybody like that .... only it turns out interesting, you give the money for petty offenses, and then cops are tiny, so don’t break it and don’t give the money ... you’re used to pocket money Suvat, and then whining that the cops robbed.
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 14 September 2015 13: 08 New
        +2
        Paraphrase ...
        No need to judge everyone by one ... dropped out of the "system".
    2. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 September 2015 06: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: goshaam
      Threat, my wife and I rented a house in a neighboring house where we were registered, so the district police officer never got off extorting 3000 rubles from us, called his wife for questioning, and took his passport.
      PS until the whole porch once thrown out of the porch it onto the street ......

      Truth? Or maybe you and your wife thumped like bastards, you interfered with your neighbors living, stole, drugged, so he pressed you. They threw out the whole entrance? Tell your grandmother this, if the blue gopot, with whom you live in the same entrance at least thought to do it, then you, as the instigator, would already be sitting under the bunk on charges of raping the platypus.