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KRET proposed to adapt equipment from military helicopters for “Armata”

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Concern "Radioelectronic Technologies" (included in Rostec) is ready to adapt for the Russian newest armored vehicles, including for "Armata", its developments, designed to equip combat helicopters, reports Look With reference to the adviser to the deputy director of the enterprise, Vladimir Mikheev.




"We can offer a range of developments for this technology - from the control system weapons to a fully autonomous navigation system based on storied inertial navigation systems and multifunctional indicators, ”said Mikheev.

“And if we can control the guns and missiles of a helicopter, we can do the same on tank"He added.

According to Mikheev, some samples of armored vehicles are already equipped with multifunctional indicators created by the concern.

“The control position of the tanker today is becoming like a helicopter cockpit. In the tank - the same multi-functional indicators that are resistant to explosion factors. We manufacture these products at aviation technologies that initially already satisfy most requirements for ground equipment, ”he said.

The newspaper reminds that in the middle of August the test schedule of the T-14 tank was approved: the production should be completed in 2016 g, then the military will pass, and after them the issue of adopting the vehicle will be decided.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 8 September 2015 15: 44 New
    +8
    They call helicopters flying tanks. A new military specialty will appear. Or universal ...
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 8 September 2015 15: 57 New
      +3
      Armata - in the air! laughing
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi 8 September 2015 16: 05 New
        +5
        Soon, the capsule with the pilot will be universal: a tank, helicopter, attack aircraft or boat.
        Everything will become much simpler .... or more complicated, time will tell!
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 8 September 2015 16: 08 New
          +3
          When shooting (in the video below) it is clear that the recoil seriously shakes the tank. So the gun system is old, nothing revolutionary. This is disappointing. Interestingly, what was done to stabilize the shooting on the go. The good news is that the tests and the "finalization of the file" is in full swing. I sincerely and very much hope that the rearmament program with the universal Armata platform will also be accelerated. But not how it happened with the T-90 - out of ten vehicles, nine are for export, one to the troops ...
          1. alex-defensor
            alex-defensor 8 September 2015 17: 38 New
            +1
            And what is this spit in the photo? No, the breed is certainly visible, but what is the alphanumeric number of the project?
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 8 September 2015 18: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            When shooting (in the video below) it is clear that the recoil seriously shakes the tank. So the gun system is old, nothing revolutionary. This is disappointing.

            It was more likely not a gun, but a soft suspension - the problem apparently has been preserved since the time of Object195 - General Mayev spoke about this in his interview - because of the powerful recoil of the 195 gun, he literally crouched. Here, apparently, the same case.
          3. Alex_Rarog
            Alex_Rarog 8 September 2015 18: 50 New
            +1
            In the sense of shaking? Do you think that it is really possible to create a 120 mm gun that has no recoil? Are you laughing?
            On the other hand, even if it is done for what?
      2. avg
        avg 8 September 2015 16: 22 New
        +4
        That's right, but an officer sits in a helicopter with at least 5 years of training, and in Armata a fighter is yesterday’s schoolboy. If you forget about it, then in a battle a “misfire" can happen, as in a parade.
        Many probably remember how the shooting results of tankers fell when the T-55 and T-62 were changed to T-72 and T-64, until they learned how to handle new equipment. Even so far, many gunners are better at firing conventional ammunition than a TOUR that they are simply afraid of. Probably need to think about the contractors.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 September 2015 16: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: oleg-gr
      They call helicopters flying tanks.

      Helicopters are the souls of dead tanks. (with)
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 8 September 2015 16: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: oleg-gr
      They call helicopters flying tanks.

      Helicopters are the souls of dead tanks.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 8 September 2015 18: 24 New
        +2
        novobranets
        Helicopters are the souls of dead tanks.



        .... rather angels of death of tanks ...
        1. AUL
          AUL 8 September 2015 19: 17 New
          0
          I don’t understand one moment. KRET now offers its own electronics complex for Almaty. Sorry, but what now stands there in that case? As far as I understand, the design of iron in such products is carried out for specific electronics with specific functionality. Indeed, in modern conditions, all breakthrough and other solutions that do not have global analogs are all 90% of electronics. In this case, an alternative suggests itself:
          1) what drove along Red Square in the parade is nothing more than an armored box with a diesel engine and a gun, albeit in an uninhabited tower. And then what passes the military tests - only iron? Not serious...
          2) In Armata there is already its own electronics complex (tankonics, by analogy with avionics), and KRET was absent for some time somewhere; Well, I decided to offer my developments, suddenly a ride.
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 9 September 2015 04: 04 New
            0
            KRET specialists in electronic warfare. + to the available capabilities in Armata, given the availability of reserves of electric armament, it offers and installs electronic warfare equipment on this armored vehicle. Additionally and not instead ...
  2. kil 31
    kil 31 8 September 2015 15: 45 New
    +5
    The newspaper recalls that in mid-August, the T-14 tank test schedule was approved: production should be completed in 2016, then the troops will pass, and after them the issue of taking the machine into service will be decided I won’t survive the hike. And how beautiful it all began.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 8 September 2015 16: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Kil 31
      And how beautiful it all began.


      Actually, it's pretty quick.
      If you do not believe me, look at the history of the T-90.
      It was created in the 89th year, the GSI passed in the 89th, in the 91st it was recommended for adoption into production, mass production was deployed in the 92nd.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 September 2015 15: 46 New
    +17
    The first shots of Almaty! nothing special (everyone secrets) and yet look guys hi
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 September 2015 15: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      nothing special

      In any case, the sound is not gritty, which indicates not high energy, it seems to be shot off with a reduced charge.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 8 September 2015 16: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        which speaks of not high energy

        ))) Well, I don’t know, I don’t know)) the sound is "not whipy" and the barrel / gun is different ... but you will notice what kind of recoil after the shot)) that pumps such a multi-ton colossus. laughing
        (Meehan, thanks for the video).

        Ha! boom wait 13th!
        About the remaining achievements of the T-14 will be known only to spectators of the "Star" on Sunday, September 13, at 09:55.
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 September 2015 18: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Scoun
          but you notice what kind of recoil after the shot)) that pumps such a multi-ton colossus.

          The 45-ton T72, when fired from a standstill, rolls back a couple of tracks when fired, if it is not on the mountain brake, and in Almaty the muzzle energy is stated above. And what shakes is because of the height of the recoil line. It is higher than on previous tank models
          So for comparison
          And a muzzle energy similar to the muzzle energy of the Octopus

      2. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 8 September 2015 16: 08 New
        +9
        1) microphone recording sound distorts sound
        2) corrected the sound track during installation
        3) return ...
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 8 September 2015 17: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          microphone recording sound distorts sound

          And you can’t prove anything! :) The sound is not unclean and the truncated is gone. And the tank deploys the recoil, which means that all the old stuff, again, the mustache is gone.
          If so smart, why don't you work in intelligence?
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 8 September 2015 18: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Oleg147741
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            microphone recording sound distorts sound

            And you can’t prove anything! :) The sound is not unclean and the truncated is gone. And the tank deploys the recoil, which means that all the old stuff, again, the mustache is gone.
            If so smart, why don't you work in intelligence?

            So visible and audible, from different angles a different sound. Naturally, before showing on TV in the editing sound engine made beauty.
          2. svp67
            svp67 8 September 2015 18: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Oleg147741
            The sound is not whipy and the whisker is gone.

            Well, if that scares you so much, then you may already be afraid. And what I suggested is the usual stage of testing, it may well be that the loading mechanisms are brought to mind.
            1. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 8 September 2015 22: 32 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Well, if that scares you so much,

              Yes, not the sound scares me! :) And the words about the sound are not mine, I quoted!
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    2. Bombardier
      Bombardier 8 September 2015 15: 59 New
      +19
      Armata still did not have time to shoot, and comedians in nete exhibit pictures! laughing
    3. Engineer
      Engineer 8 September 2015 16: 13 New
      +4
      good suspension - quickly damped the vibrations from the shot.
  4. arane
    arane 8 September 2015 15: 47 New
    +2
    Very interesting! Why not? Maybe it's time to move from an armored tractor with a gun to a powerful multifunctional tactical unit!
  5. WUA 518
    WUA 518 8 September 2015 15: 47 New
    +9
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201509081350-ws0o.htm The most secret and newest tank in the Russian army, the T-14 Armata, was first shown to reporters at the training ground. The host of the Zvezda TV channel, Alexei Yegorov, had a unique opportunity to see how the novelty behaves on the roads, sit inside the “Almaty”, learn about the secrets of the tank’s armor, its engine, and most importantly - to see firsthand how the T-14 fires!

    The crew of “Almaty” is three people, you can fully control the tank together. The commander can fire all means on board without the help of a gunner. And this too is the next record of “Almaty”. About the remaining achievements of the T-14 will be known only to the spectators of Zvezda on Sunday, September 13, at 09:55.

    “The latest modification of the 125 mm gun was installed on the Armata. It is specially designed for an uninhabited fighting compartment. The power of this gun is significantly increased. New materials were used, the pressure that occurs when firing is increased ... There are plans to put a gun of even greater caliber. The modularity of the design and the unified interfaces of the combat module allow these modernization events to be organized relatively quickly and easily, ”said Andrei Terlikov, general director and chief designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering.

    However, the standard gun “Armata” is a formidable weapon. It shoots precisely at the target for five kilometers in any weather and time of day. The host of the Military Acceptance program was one of the first to see Armata fire. The journalist watched the first shot from the outside, the second was made in the presence of the Leading Star, which was allowed inside the tank.

    One of the most sensational issues of the Military Acceptance program is dedicated to Armata, the Terra Incognita of Russian weapons. Neither his speed, nor the rate of fire of his weapons, nor the material of which the armor is made, nor other tactical and technical characteristics are known. The audience of the Zvezda TV channel will first learn about some of the secrets of Armata. Watch the Military Acceptance program on September 13 at 09:55 only on the Zvezda TV Channel!
    1. 3vs
      3vs 8 September 2015 15: 56 New
      +1
      And where are the results of the shooting ?!
      1. opus
        opus 8 September 2015 16: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: 3vs
        And where are the results of the shooting ?!

        from such a distance?

        Is it necessary? There meters xnumx from the force
        -------------------------
        The automatic loader or suspension, or shoulder strap, or the platform as a whole were practiced
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 8 September 2015 16: 11 New
          +1
          1) the suspension drops, they would shoot in motion
          2) the epaulette disappears, they shoot at corners and with an enhanced charge
          1. opus
            opus 8 September 2015 16: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            1) the suspension drops, they would shoot in motion

            Do you think the impulse (recoil) is completely absorbed by the platform, dissipated in Os?

            (my eyes and sensations say the opposite)
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            2) the epaulette disappears, they shoot at corners and with an enhanced charge

            Well reinforced so far.
            - why then?
            tearing off (destroying usolyo) on the shoulder support then there will be sin and cos elevation angles, both of which (as is known less than 1), respectively, shooting with elevation obviously does not guarantee strength checks to the maximum
            the bearing is roller or tapered (the ball is no longer used), respectively
            1. engineer74
              engineer74 8 September 2015 16: 43 New
              +19
              What did you get to the bottom of the video ??? As it usually happens:
              "-Petrovich! TV has arrived - the test shoot!
              - What on ... figs tests !?
              - With shooting!
              - Got it! Ivanovitch! Zhahni something somewhere, just do not beat the journalists!
              - Boo sde! For a day off ... "
              And you “what are they shooting at?”, “What are they testing?”, We’ll see very soon the video of real test firing! wink
              1. opus
                opus 8 September 2015 17: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: engineer74
                What did you get to the bottom of the video ???

                I didn’t get to the bottom of anything or anything ...
                belay
                1. engineer74
                  engineer74 8 September 2015 17: 42 New
                  +3
                  I didn’t personally mean you, simplicity, if it touched! hi
                  It just got ridiculous from a serious discussion of a flashy video.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 8 September 2015 20: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: 3vs
        And where are the results of the shooting ?!

        Here. laughing
  6. svp67
    svp67 8 September 2015 15: 48 New
    0
    Yes. It would be interesting to see what they did.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 8 September 2015 15: 48 New
    +1
    If the tank capsule is isolated from the external environment and weapons, it would be logical to use the same controls that have already been developed and implemented in existing military equipment. If the reliability of the weapon control systems is acceptable for the tank, then this should be done.
  8. Maxom75
    Maxom75 8 September 2015 16: 00 New
    +3
    Here is a variant of unification, and tanks and planes with the same set of equipment, a series looms and, as a result, a reduction in price. That's right.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 8 September 2015 16: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Maxom75
      unification option, and tanks

      There will be no unification as such; technologies will simply be applied, another pop statement from KRET.
  9. satelit24
    satelit24 8 September 2015 16: 05 New
    -12
    That is - this imperfection also has no normal equipment!?
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 8 September 2015 16: 15 New
      +3
      .... and from cardboard .... and shoots ??? .... Where did you speak your target armor? laughing
    2. Homo
      Homo 8 September 2015 16: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: satelit24
      That is - this imperfection also has no normal equipment!?

      This is from a hangover such a conclusion?
      1. satelit24
        satelit24 8 September 2015 17: 28 New
        0
        Because - gun shells are only being developed! And now, about the equipment, they unobtrusively offer to replace it.

        Yes, and the t-95 (black eagle) thanks to Serdyukov was hidden in a duplex! And now the rawhide reinforcement PR!
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 8 September 2015 18: 15 New
          +1
          satelit24
          Because - gun shells are only being developed!


          A new one is being developed, but the old ones have not diminished .... "shoot, I do not want to."
          1. satelit24
            satelit24 9 September 2015 16: 48 New
            0
            EGOrkka turns out to be old leopards do not break through!
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 8 September 2015 18: 40 New
          0
          Quote: satelit24
          Because - gun shells are only being developed!

          “Only” it’s well said - there was already an article on Vo about the creation of a line of new shells 900 mm long against the old 700 mm for the 2A82 gun - that is, shells are already there and are being tested.
          As for the "replacement" - everything is simple - the banal competition of their category - we have experience, we will do better.
    3. akula900
      akula900 8 September 2015 19: 15 New
      +1
      there is even a very tricked out
    4. 1Andrei
      1Andrei 8 September 2015 23: 05 New
      0
      Quote: satelit24
      That is - this imperfection also has no normal equipment!?

      Well, damn it, you get out of such a star
      1. satelit24
        satelit24 9 September 2015 17: 22 New
        0
        From where pink glasses do not wear!
  10. 44 World
    44 World 8 September 2015 16: 15 New
    +1
    Everything will be completed and will become a super weapon, the main thing at the parade was shown to the whole world!
  11. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 8 September 2015 16: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: WUA 518
    There will be no unification as such; technologies will simply be applied, another pop statement from KRET.

    The statement of the developer of the complexes and control systems is quite normal. Why is the “pop statement”? You assume that the CRET is being drawn, but this is not the organization, everything is proposed to be installed EXISTING, and not the equipment being developed fool !
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 8 September 2015 16: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: gladysheff2010
      equipment!

      I don’t need to twist my finger at the temple and knock on the head. Unification: Unification (from Uni ... and lat. Facio - I do)
      reduction to uniformity, to a uniform form or system. Assumes that you take a set of equipment from a helicopter and put it on a tank, we will not talk about weight and size characteristics in this case. By simple ballistic corrections when firing from an aircraft gun: the target moves in a straight line, the target moves in a circle, the target maneuvers, lowering the projectile in the plane of the barrel, the correction for the parallax base, for bomb and mine torpedo weapons: calm relative velocity, characteristic speed, characteristic time. Is this apparently what you need for a tank? I’m not talking about guided missile weapons, for I have to write a whole treatise.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 September 2015 17: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: WUA 518
        . Assumes that you take a set of equipment from a helicopter and put it on a tank, we will not talk about weight and size characteristics in this case.

        Good evening! wink Apparently, this refers to the very principles of controlling a tank, which will be akin to controlling a combat helicopter, for example, a helmet that allows you to direct a gun by turning your head, etc.
        but it’s really not clear how to unify completely different things: some have bombs, missiles, an air gun, others have a tower with a cannon and a review.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 8 September 2015 17: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          For example, a helmet that allows you to direct the gun by turning the head, etc.

          Andrew welcome. In Israel, experimenting with visual modeling systems that allowed the tank crew to see through the armor did not work, and led to the crew suffering from seasickness, could not withstand the vestibular apparatus.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 8 September 2015 18: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: WUA 518
            Andrew welcome.

            Good evening, Sasha. wink
            Quote: WUA 518
            In Israel, experimenting with visual modeling systems that allowed the crew of the tank to see through the armor failed, and led to the crew suffering from seasickness,

            Maybe the helmet is similar to the helmet of the pilot f-35. That is, it seems like a helmet with 3d glasses? ... request
            Best regards drinks
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 8 September 2015 18: 12 New
              +1
              Andryush, here you have to think, with 3 mode, how to combine the external vision of the situation and not lose control of the equipment inside the tank, and how not to overload the crew with all this information.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 8 September 2015 18: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: WUA 518
                Andryush, here you have to think, with 3 mode, how to combine the external vision of the situation and not lose control of the equipment inside the tank, and how not to overload the crew with all this information.

                In the form of a simulator ... how do you flyers then ... but where are the screens to be mounted? But the idea is interesting ...
        2. WUA 518
          WUA 518 8 September 2015 18: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          tank driving principles themselves

          Andryush at least used our external base optical rangefinder, it would have already been the case. How many times I asked our guys tankers, everyone says: Yes, the thing is necessary, but why not use it, there is no answer.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 8 September 2015 18: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: WUA 518
            Andryush at least used our external base optical rangefinder, it would have already been the case. How many times I asked our guys tankers, everyone says: Yes, the thing is necessary, but why not use it, there is no answer.

            I agree, Sash ... but I think that it’s faster and easier to install something like this not on the main tank, but on a support machine such as a “terminator.” And about visibility, so apparently these will be cameras placed on armor ... but here's how to bring this all to the tank pilot, a big question.
            Maybe in the form of a simulator, like pilots ... the devil knows him. request
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 8 September 2015 18: 21 New
              +3
              It will be necessary to ask our tankmen what is best for them. And then we are now wielding the death star laughing
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 8 September 2015 18: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: WUA 518
                It will be necessary to ask our tankmen what is best for them. And then we are now wielding the death star

                Well, Armata itself is positioned as not quite a tank, but a combat robot. Besides, let's not forget that we were the first to step on this track with the t-95 ... accordingly, as the skiers say, we should rut the track. wink Accordingly, it’s even harder for us ...
  12. twincam
    twincam 8 September 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    Well done developers.
    a plane and a helicopter are also essentially flying tanks.
    I can of course be mistaken, and google scrap, but the plane weighs about 30 tons, which is quite comparable with the mass of the tank (medium).
  13. afrikanez
    afrikanez 8 September 2015 17: 26 New
    +2
    (They call helicopters flying tanks.) Well, tanks will be called crawling helicopters laughing
  14. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 8 September 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    Something, it seems to me that on Armata there are already working electronic systems. MSA was discussed
    two years ago, the military complained about the high cost ... Now, apparently, the price has been decided. What can
    offer KRET, this machine is already installed! And the navigation system, and communication, and the control system
    chassis, and an interactive battlefield system, and much more ...
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 September 2015 07: 13 New
    0
    What first comes to mind is a system of all-round visibility and guidance, maybe an electronic warfare system for knocking down particularly smart shells and missiles.