Japan's capitulation: atomic bombs or the Soviet blitzkrieg

According to a public opinion poll conducted by 8 on April of this year, here and to this day 56% of the population justifies the atomic bombing and only 34% does not approve of this atrocity. It is surprising that in Japan there are those who agree with the use of atomic bombs against their country. There are 14% of the total number of respondents. But the overwhelming majority, 79%, condemn the incineration in the nuclear fire of their countrymen.

"HUNDRED OF MILLIONS WILL LOOK LIKE A SINGLE!"

Most American historians claim that it was precisely the atomic strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that forced Japan to capitulate in August 1945. At the same time, the participation of the USSR in the war in the Far East is regarded as a secondary, if not unnecessary action. In turn, the right-wing nationalist forces in Japan, joining the USSR by the numerous requests of the allies - the United States and Great Britain - to the military actions to defeat the Japanese troops is called "Soviet aggression", allegedly undertaken to seize the territories.

At the same time, the fact that the Japanese government and military command were not going to capitulate after the destruction of the Hiroshima atomic bomb is obscured. The Japanese leaders hid from the people the fact that the Americans used the possessing enormous destructive force of the atomic weapons and continued to prepare the population of the country for the decisive battle on its territory "until the last Japanese." The issue of the bombing of Hiroshima was not even discussed at a meeting of the Supreme Council for the leadership of the war. The warning of American President Harry Truman against 7 of August on the radio about the US readiness to bring down new atomic strikes was regarded by the Japanese government as propaganda of the allies.

Despite the atomic bombing, supporters of the “war party” continued training throughout the country to prepare to resist the enemy in case of invasion - women, children and the elderly taught methods of dealing with bamboo spears, and guerrilla war bases were created in the mountains. The creator of the kamikaze suicide squads, deputy chief of the main naval headquarters Takadziro Onishi, categorically opposed to surrender, said at a government meeting: "By sacrificing 20 lives of millions of Japanese in special attacks, we will achieve absolute victory." The main slogan was "One hundred million will die as one!"

The victims of their own people did not embarrass the leaders of militaristic Japan. Do not scare them and atomic bombs. After all, they did not capitulate in the spring of 1945, when, as a result of massive "carpet bombing" of Japanese cities, according to various estimates, from 500 to 900 thousands of their inhabitants died, which exceeded the number of victims of atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Until the last, hopes remained for use in the "decisive battle" in the territory of the metropolis of the Kwantung Army, which retained the fighting efficiency, and of the Japanese troops in China. An option was also considered to transfer the emperor and his family to the puppet state of Manzhou-Guo created by the Japanese after the occupation of Northeast China in the event of the landing of American troops on the Japanese islands in order to continue resistance here. It was believed that the United States would not use atomic weapons against the population of union China.

Contrary to the claims of official Japanese historians that the Soviet attack was sudden, in fact, in Tokyo, intelligence information about the Yalta agreement about the upcoming entry of the Soviet Union into the war with Japan on the side of the allies received in time. 15 February 1945, Japanese intelligence leaders informed the Supreme Council for War Leadership that "the Soviet Union intends to secure a voice in deciding the future of East Asia." A warning sounded that by the spring the USSR could terminate the neutrality pact and join the allies in the war against Japan. The next day, Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu told Emperor Hirohito about this: “The days of Nazi Germany are numbered. The Yalta Conference reaffirmed the unity of Great Britain, the United States and the Soviet Union. ” The minister recommended that the Mikado not rely on a neutrality pact. General Hideki Tojo also warned the emperor about the possibility of the USSR speaking out against Japan, assessing this possibility as “50 on 50”.

DENONATED PACT

In preparation for entering the war with Japan, the Soviet government sought to comply with the norms of international law. 5 on April 1945 of the year the Japanese government officially announced the denunciation of the Soviet-Japanese neutrality pact of April 13 of 1941. The statement indicated that the pact was signed before the German attack on the USSR and before the outbreak of war between Japan, on the one hand, and Great Britain and the United States, on the other. The text of the statement read:

“Since then, the situation has changed radically. Germany attacked the USSR, and Japan, an ally of Germany, helps the latter in its war against the USSR. In addition, Japan is at war with the United States and Britain, which are allies of the Soviet Union.

In this situation, the Neutrality Pact between Japan and the USSR lost its meaning, and the extension of this Pact became impossible ... In accordance with the article 3 of the mentioned Pact, which provides for the right to denounce one year before the expiry of the five-year term of the Pact, the Soviet Government hereby declares ... its want to denounce the Covenant of 13 on April 1941 of the year. ”

Having denounced the neutrality pact, the Soviet government, in fact, four months prior to the entry into the war, actually informed the Japanese government about the possibility of the USSR participating in the war with Japan on the side of the allied United States and Great Britain. Tokyo understood this well. Already this fact makes unconvincing and helpless attempts of modern Japanese propagandists and their supporters found in recent years in our country, trying to accuse the USSR of "perfidy and perfidy." But it was possible to enter the war without any warnings, as Japan traditionally did.

The preparation of the USSR for the war was impossible to hide. Since the spring of 1945, the Japanese leadership has regularly received intelligence information about the redeployment of Soviet troops in the eastern regions of the country. For example, in mid-April, officers of the Japanese Embassy’s military office in Moscow reported to Tokyo: “Every day, trains from 12 to 15 pass through the Trans-Siberian Railway ... Currently, the entry of the Soviet Union into the war with Japan is inevitable. It will take approximately two months to deploy about 20 divisions. ”

This 6 of June 1945 at the next meeting of the Supreme Council for War Leadership did not inspire optimism about the real situation: “Through consistent measures, the Soviet Union prepares the ground through diplomacy to be able to oppose the Empire if necessary; at the same time he intensifies military preparations in the Far East. There is a high probability that the Soviet Union will take military action against Japan ... The USSR may enter the war against Japan after the summer or autumn period. "

Nevertheless, at the meeting of the council it was decided to continue the war: “The empire must firmly follow the course of the protracted nature of the war, regardless of any casualties. By the end of this year, this can not cause significant fluctuations in the enemy's determination to continue the war. ” In Tokyo, they still hoped that the United States and Great Britain would accept the compromise conditions of peace, which, in particular, provided for the preservation of Japan and Korea and Japan. On the other hand, diplomatic measures were taken to use the Soviet Union as an intermediary in the cessation of hostilities under conditions that satisfied Tokyo. However, in the “peace proposals” submitted to the Soviet government, the question of the Japanese ending the war was not directly addressed. In the USSR, naturally, they could not agree to any negotiations other than surrender, and therefore the Japanese proposals for mediation were rejected. The attempt of the Japanese government to send in July 1945 to Moscow as a special emissary of an influential politician, former Prime Minister of Japan, Prince Fumimaro Konoe, was not crowned with success. 12 July in the NKID (MFA) of the USSR was sent the message of Emperor Hirohito, which said about his desire to "put an end to the war." However, it again avoided the question of the cessation of hostilities by Japan. 18 July NCID informed Tokyo: "The Soviet government sees no way to give any definite answer about the message of the emperor, as well as the mission of Prince Konoe ..."

26 July 1945 was the Potsdam Declaration of the states at war with Japan, which set out the conditions for its unconditional surrender. On the eve of its text was broadcast on radio and became known in Japan. The Soviet government found it expedient to join the declaration, but announce it later. The absence of the signature of the Soviet Union under the Potsdam Declaration gave rise to the Japanese leadership’s hope of continuing the war, because in Japan the inevitability of defeat was associated only with the entry of the USSR into it. After discussing the text of the declaration at a meeting of the High Council on the leadership of the war, Japanese Foreign Minister Sigenori Togo telegraphed Ambassador Naotake Sato to Moscow on July 27: "The position taken by the Soviet Union regarding the Potsdam Joint Declaration will influence our actions from now on ..." urgently find out "what steps the Soviet Union will take against the Japanese empire."

In this regard, there is reason to believe that Japan’s refusal to capitulate immediately on the terms of the Potsdam Declaration was dictated by the still persisting hopes that the USSR’s entry into the war could be avoided or, at least, delayed by decisive diplomatic steps. In particular, it was planned to offer Moscow serious concessions, which included the return of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands previously alienated from Russia.

Nagasaki before (at the top) and after the atomic bombing. Destructions are simply monstrous. Photos from www.nsarchive.gwu.edu

MOKUSATSU - TO KILL SILENT

On July 28, at a press conference, Japanese Prime Minister Kantaro Suzuki said about the Potsdam Declaration: “We ignore it. We will go forward relentlessly and wage war to the end. ” Interestingly, after the war, Japanese historians tried to prove the “imperfection of the translation” of Suzuki’s statement. They argued that the Japanese word “mokusatsu” was not equivalent to the notion of “ignore”. Note that this is true, but only in the sense that “mokusatsu” is an even stronger and contemptuous expression, meaning “to kill with silence”.

The position taken by the Japanese government delayed the end of the Second World War, leading to new victims. Therefore, in strict accordance with the deadlines defined in the Yalta Agreement, the Soviet Union 8 August 1945 of the year declared war on Japan. The statement of the Soviet government said: “After the defeat and surrender of Germany, Japan turned out to be the only great power that still stands for the continuation of the war.

The demand of the three powers - the United States of America, Great Britain and China - from 26 of July of this year about the unconditional surrender of the Japanese armed forces was rejected by Japan. Thus, the proposal of the Japanese Government to the Soviet Union to mediate in the war in the Far East loses all ground.

Given Japan’s refusal to capitulate, the Allies appealed to the Soviet Government with a proposal to join the war against Japanese aggression and thereby shorten the time for the end of the war, reduce the number of casualties and promote the early restoration of universal peace.

True to its allied duty, the Soviet Government accepted the proposal of the allies and joined the Allied states ’statement of July of this year.

The Soviet government believes that ... its policy is the only means capable of bringing peace closer, freeing the people from further sacrifices and suffering, and giving the Japanese people the opportunity to get rid of the dangers and destruction that Germany experienced after its rejection of unconditional surrender.

In view of the above, the Soviet Government declares that starting tomorrow, that is, from August 9, the Soviet Union will consider itself at war with Japan. ”

The Soviet troops were tasked with defeating the Kwantung Army, as well as the Japanese troops in Korea, and liberating South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands with the least possible losses. This task was completed with honor. The group of Soviet troops created in the spring-summer of 1945 in the Far East numbered over 1,7 million people, about 30 thousand guns and mortars, 5250 tanks and self-propelled guns, more than 5 thousand combat aircraft. The sweeping crushing blows of the Soviet troops on the front with a length of more than 5 thousand km made it possible to defeat the formations and units of the Kwantung Army. For the Japanese army, this was the largest defeat in the war. In 24 days, 22 Japanese divisions were defeated. Losses of the Japanese killed 83 737 people and prisoners - more than 640 thousand.

Even before the defeat of the Kwantung Army in the morning of 9 in August of 1945, the Foreign Minister of Togo convinced Prime Minister Suzuki that the USSR’s entry into the war leaves for Japan no other option than to accept the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration. The influential minister-keeper of the imperial press, Koichi Kido, reported to Hirohito about the need to immediately stop the war. At the same time, fear was expressed that otherwise defeat in the war could push the masses to revolution. In an effort to avoid this, the political leadership of the country and the emperor’s entourage considered it necessary to capitulate to the Americans and the British as soon as possible in order to prevent the Soviet troops from landing on the Japanese islands.

THE ENEMY OF THE "MERILITY OF HEAVEN"

At noon 15 August 1945, the Japanese for the first time in all history the states heard the voice of their divine monarch, who, in a language difficult for commoners, announced the decision to end the war. As a justification of the impossibility of further resistance, it was pointed out that the adversary was using the "new and most serious bomb of unprecedented destructive power." Thus, it was made clear that Japan does not surrender, having suffered defeat in battles with the enemy, but is compelled to retreat before the overwhelming force of an unprecedented weapon. In this regard, there are still quite a few in Japan who believe that the use of atomic bombs by the Americans was "tenyu" - the will of providence, the mercy of heaven, which allowed the sacred nation of Yamato to leave the war with honor, without losing face.

In reality, the inevitability of the defeat of Mikado and its inner circle was associated not so much with atomic bombings as with the participation in the war, which crushed the military power of Nazi Germany of the Red Army. In the rescript dated August 17, 1945 "To soldiers and sailors," the commander in chief of the army and fleet Emperor Hirohito of Japan, no longer mentioning the American atomic bombs and the destruction of Japanese cities, named the entry into the war of the USSR as the main reason for surrender. It was clearly stated: "Now that the Soviet Union has entered the war against us, to continue the resistance ... means to jeopardize the very foundation of the existence of our Empire." For obvious reasons, American and Japanese historians and propagandists avoid mentioning this important document.

The facts show that without the USSR entering the war, the Americans could not quickly subdue Japan, “throwing atomic bombs at it”, as American military propaganda convinced the leaflets and radio on the Japanese people. According to the calculations of the American headquarters, at least nine atomic bombs were required to ensure the landing of assault forces on the Japanese islands. After the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the United States no longer had ready-made atomic bombs, but the production of new ones required a long time. “These bombs dropped by us,” said US Secretary of War Henry Stimson, “were the only ones we had, and the production rates at that time were very low.” It should not be forgotten that, in response to the atomic strikes, the Japanese could bring down American secret laboratories in huge quantities of bacteriological and chemical weapons accumulated in the Northeast China. This danger threatening the whole world was prevented by the entry of the USSR into the war. The former commander of the Kwantung Army, General Otozo Yamada, admitted at the trial: “The Soviet Union’s entry into the war against Japan and the rapid advance of Soviet troops deep into Manchuria prevented us from using bacteriological weapons ...”

Do not enter the Soviet Union in the war, it could continue indefinitely.

“FORGOTTEN” RECOGNITIONS

After 70 years have passed, the United States has been trying to “forget” about the recognition by American politicians and especially by the military of the important role of the USSR in defeating militaristic Japan. In 1945, the US military strategists proceeded from the fact that even if the developed plan for landing the US troops on the Japanese islands, codenamed “Downfall”, would have been implemented, there was no certainty that “the powerful Kwantung Army, while almost fully self-sufficient, would not continue the fight. " The commander of the Anglo-American troops in the Pacific and the Far East, General Douglas MacArthur also believed that the US troops "should not land on the islands of Japan itself until the Russian army begins military operations in Manchuria." Major US military and political figure General of the Army George Marshall said: "The importance of Russia's entry into the war lies in the fact that it can serve as the decisive action that will force Japan to capitulate." This is what happened.

Even US President Truman, who was openly anti-Soviet, admitted: "We very much wanted the Russians to go to war against Japan." In his memoirs, he noted that "the entry of Russia into the war was becoming increasingly necessary to save hundreds of thousands of Americans."

An unbiased analysis of the military-political situation in August 1945 in the Far East makes even the irreconcilable critics of the Soviet Union admit obvious facts. Thus, in a scientific study published in 2005 of the reasons for the Japanese government’s decision to surrender, professor at the University of California (USA), the ethnic Japanese Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, recognizes the decisive influence of the USSR’s entry into the war on the emperor’s decision to accept the terms of surrender. In the final part of his work “In pursuit of the enemy. Stalin, Truman and the capitulation of Japan "he writes:" The two atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not decisive when Japan made a decision to capitulate. Despite the crushing power of atomic bombs, they were not enough to change the vector of Japanese diplomacy. This allowed to make the Soviet invasion. Without the entry of the Soviet Union into the war, the Japanese would continue to fight until numerous atomic bombs were dropped on them, the Allies landed successfully on the islands of Japan itself, or aerial bombardments continued under naval blockade, which would exclude the possibility of further resistance. "

This opinion in his article in the journal Forin Policy, entitled “Victory over Japan was won not by a bomb, but by Stalin” is shared by Ward Wilson, author of the book “Five Myths about Nuclear Weapons”.

He indicates that in the summer of 1945 the American aviation 66 Japanese cities bombed with ordinary bombs, in whole or in part, the devastation was colossal, in some cases comparable to that of atomic bombing. March 9-10, 16 square miles burned out in Tokyo, killing about 120 thousand people. Hiroshima is only in 17th place in the destruction of the urban territory (in percentage terms). The author writes: “What alarmed the Japanese if they were not worried about the bombing of the cities as a whole, or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima specifically? The answer is simple - it was the USSR. ”

And further: “The traditional version that Japan capitulated because of Hiroshima is convenient, since it satisfies the emotional needs of both the USA and Japan itself. What is the benefit of the United States from the traditional version? The reputation of the US military power improved significantly, the influence of US diplomacy in Asia and around the world increased, the security of the United States strengthened ... On the contrary, if the Soviet Union entered the war as a reason for surrender, Moscow would be able to assert that 4 of the day managed what the United States did not could have achieved 4 of the year, and the idea of ​​military power and diplomatic influence of the USSR would have been strengthened ... During the Cold War, assertions that the USSR had played a decisive role would be equal to "aiding the enemy," Wilson said.

GOAL - RESIDENTIAL MASSIFIES

So, without rejecting the significance of the atomic bombings that brought about the capitulation of Japan, one cannot agree that it was they, and they alone, who determined the outcome of the war. This was also recognized by prominent political figures in the West. Thus, Winston Churchill, who served as British Prime Minister during the Second World War, declared: “It would be erroneous to believe that the fate of Japan was decided by an atomic bomb.”

It is convincingly proved that the atomic bombings were not caused by military necessity. In deciding on the use of atomic weapons, the American leadership did not target it against military targets, but against civilians in Japanese cities. This is irrefutable evidence. So, in the 2 of August of the American command issued by 1945 of the year of the American command, it was stated: “The day of the attack is 13 of August. The target of the attack is the center and industrial area of ​​the city of Hiroshima. The second backup target is the arsenal and downtown of Kokura. The third reserve target is the center of Nagasaki. ”

By striking atomic strikes against the densely populated areas of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the American government and command sought, above all, to achieve a psychological effect, killing as many people as possible for this. President Truman personally endorsed the proposal of his closest adviser, subsequently US Secretary of State James Byrnes, that “the bomb should be used as soon as possible against Japan, that it should be dropped into a military factory surrounded by housing for workers, and that it should be applied without prior warning ".

Atomic bombing pursued another important goal - to intimidate the USSR and other states, to achieve, thanks to the nuclear monopoly of US domination in the post-war world. Preparing the use of atomic bombs, Washington hoped that the bombing would help "make Russia compliant in Europe." Truman’s statement about this is well known: “If a bomb explodes, which I think will happen, I, of course, will have a cudgel for these guys.” In this regard, it is difficult not to agree with the statement of the famous English physicist, Nobel Prize winner Patrick Blackett that atomic bombing "was not least an act against Russia." Indeed, atomic strikes were not the last chord of the Second World War, but heralded the beginning of the Cold War.

The version that the Soviet Union "opposed the already defeated Japan", that the Kwantung Army was weakened and practically did not resist, does not hold water. The Japanese armed forces deployed on the territory of Manchuria and Korea, although partially deployed to other fronts, retained their combat power and until the end of the war remained the most trained and well-equipped ground forces grouping in which the military-political leadership of Japan placed great hopes in the plans to continue the “war to the bitter end. " In this regard, at least the bewilderment is caused by the allegations that at the time the USSR entered the war in Manchuria, only the 300-thousandth group of Japanese troops allegedly remained. And this despite the fact that, as mentioned above, some prisoners of war of soldiers and officers of the Kwantung Army numbered 640 thousand people.

The fact of history is that the Red Army of the Soviet Union made a decisive contribution to the defeat of the Japanese ground forces on the continent. The Soviet blitzkrieg deprived the Japanese leadership of the chances for troops to be transferred to the metropolis from China, thereby disrupting the plans for a bloody “battle for the metropolis,” and prevented militarist Japan from unleashing a bacteriological and chemical war that saved millions of lives, including the Japanese themselves.

Comments

[svp67]

Japan's capitulation: atomic bombs or the Soviet blitzkrieg

both that and another, and also exhaustion of resources and the general fatigue from war

[BilliBoms09]

In turn, the right-wing nationalist forces in Japan, the accession of the USSR, at the numerous requests of the allies - the United States and Great Britain - to military operations to defeat the Japanese troops are called "Soviet aggression", allegedly undertaken with the aim of seizing territories.

The USSR entered the war after denouncing the non-attack pact and declaring war. On the night of February 9, 1904, Japan attacked the Russian squadron in the Port Arthur raid without declaring war.

Most of the works of American historians argue that it was the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that forced Japan to capitulate in August 1945. Moreover, the participation of the USSR in the war in the Far East is considered as a secondary, if not completely unnecessary

In a month, Soviet troops defeated the millionth Katun army. According to American estimates, they would have taken Okinawa in 1947.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And yet, when the Kwantung army was completely dismantled .. (despite their bunker and mountainous terrain ...) the United States certainly did easier (saved ..) The only country that used nuclear weapons! Hundreds of thousands died (in an instant ..) and no one remembers this! Oh, Japanese, slaves of America .. And you still show us the bills ..? It's a shame and disgusting to listen to you ...

[samurai way]

I am sure Stalin did not even think to invade the central part of Japan, realizing what cost of Russian blood it would cost. The USSR regained the territory previously lost by the Republic of Ingushetia and that's enough. The United States also understood the prospects of war even more (although to be honest, it was not entirely) - the war would have dragged on for more than one year, and with the invasion of central Japan this is a total war, what Hitler would have done the Japanese, and this is millions. The Japanese on nuclear bombs and mass bombing were ready to start using bacteriological weapons as an extreme measure (yes, yes, this is mentioned in the article) on the territory of the United States !!!, and by means of which it strikes "balls" (this is quite a serious and penny delivery ). And the Japanese "pioneers" would have been more terrible than our heroes (glory to them and eternal memory). The percentage of prisoners would be very small on the part of the Japanese. Ps. Now for a little humor. After arriving from Soviet captivity, the first batch of Japanese directly from the ship in full force set off in a column to enroll in the office of the Japanese Communist Party ... but that's another story.

[Scraptor]

Preparations were under way for the landing in Hokkaido.
Look at the percentage of prisoners in the Kwantung army. With the "partisan movement" on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, it was also not very good.
Why did they start with balls and not like this?
http://topwar.ru/38883-avianesuschie-podlodki-tipa-sentoku-yaponiya.html

Through a much more primitive non-automatic and non-stratospheric balls, England attacked Germany in WWII, which scattered the wire causing short-circuits in the power grid.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: svp67

both that and another, and also exhaustion of resources and the general fatigue from war

in order to understand that the fatigue from the war for the japs ​​of that time is absurd, just watch documentaries about the preparation of Japanese pilots, read the postulates of bushido
True courage is to live when it is lawful to live, and to die when it is legitimate to die.

In war, the samurai's loyalty is manifested in the fact that without fear, go to enemy arrows and spears, sacrificing life, if required by duty.

If in a war the samurai happens to lose the fight and he has to lay down his head, he should proudly give his name and die with a smile without humiliating haste.

Being mortally wounded, so that no means can save him, the samurai should respectfully address the senior in position and calmly give up his spirit, obeying the inevitable

The samurai must, first of all, constantly remember that he can die at any moment, and if such a moment comes, then the samurai must die with honor. Here is his main business.

[svp67]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

in order to understand that the fatigue from the war for the japs ​​of that time is absurd, just watch documentaries about the preparation of Japanese pilots, read the postulates of bushido

You can read anything as a mantra, but fatigue from war happens not only in people, but also in the economy. And Japanese pilots are one of the most striking examples. Sorry, when your plane is worse than the enemy, when you can’t destroy it in the usual way, you can’t harm the enemy, but there is a trained spirit and faith in the infallibility of the order, you can only sacrifice your life. But then again, this resource is finite. Those who firmly believed in principles, when declaring surrender, raised their planes and threw them at their last peak or performed a sipoku ritual. BUT ... But Japan did not lose not the whole army, not the whole population, so the rest did not so holyly believe in these principles.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: svp67

Sorry when your plane is worse than your opponent

n on this basis, the Union was to capitulate in August 41

[svp67]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

on this basis, the Union was supposed to capitulate in August 41

Sorry, I don’t understand your train of thought.
Yes, that in 1941, that in 1942, our country was on the "hairs" of death, especially in 1942. Yes, our military equipment, and the entire war, was worse than the German, in the overwhelming majority. But the people were not "tired of war." This is the merit of the CPSU (b) that it was able to change policy, abandoning universal internationalism and remembering the great past of Russia and mobilizing people to repel the enemy, as a result there was a "bitterness" of people, which led to the fact that stubbornness and resistance only increased and then victories began, one louder than the other ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

ring, but talking about fatigue for a nation with the psychology of "ants" is also strange.
and about us, neither the Germans nor the rest of the "civilized" us either could not understand from their point of view, we HAD to sign a surrender because the enemy was stronger.
it is foolish to evaluate the actions of the people in terms of the idea of ​​what is right and what isn’t based on the mentality of another people

[Altona]

Quote: svp67

both that and another, and also exhaustion of resources and the general fatigue from war

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The United States achieved the same effect with conventional bombs, since most of the buildings were made of wood ... The American Air Force burned ancient Kyoto, killing about 100 thousand people ... But many in Japan did not even know about the atomic bombings, and who knew, even do not understand...
So, during the first bombardment of Tokyo on the night of February 23-24, 1945, all buildings were completely destroyed on an area of ​​approximately three and a half square kilometers. On the night of March 9 to 10 of the same year, 1700 tons of bombs were dropped on Tokyo, destroying all buildings on an area of ​​more than 40 square kilometers (almost half of the city’s total area). In a rising firestorm, when the flame spontaneously spread from one building to another, 100 thousand people died in one night. It was the most devastating bombardment in the history of wars without the use of atomic weapons. The water in the city canals boiled that night, and the air temperature was such that the buildings, undamaged by the bombs, would light up by themselves. It was a real fiery hell, in which all living things burned - hell, carefully planned and organized by the American military command. The bombing of Tokyo in March 1945 was a kind of rehearsal of Hiroshima.
The capture of the main islands of the Japanese archipelago - Kyushu, Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku was estimated by the American General Staff as losses of up to 5 million infantry, that is, to act as a combined group of 15 million fighters and a huge fleet ... That is, the scale of losses of "democratic soldiers" is unacceptable (voters are not will understand simply), and such an army grouping is unrealistic to collect and land. Therefore, the USSR, with its proven and seasoned front-line units, quickly solved the problem of the Japanese ground forces, its infrastructure and resources in mainland China ...

[svp67]

Quote: Altona

The United States achieved the same effect with conventional bombs, since most of the buildings were made of wood.

So what? Usual bombs hollowed out, hollowed out - so to speak "prepared the ground" and already with atomic bombs - finished off. It became clear to Mikado that his enemies are much stronger, moreover, they have such weapons that they can turn all of Japan, in a split second, to ash. And he could still fight, but then the blow of the Red Army also deprived him of the ground army. So that joint - coordinated action, that's what made Mikado make decisions, at that very moment about surrender. If it weren't for them, it would have happened anyway, but later.

[Scraptor]

What did they finish there? 2 cities out of 69 in one of which there was not a single survivor at all. At the same time, the use of nuclear weapons unleashed Japan's hands on the use of bacteriological WMD completely. What is the difference than killing the same or a greater number of civilians to take revenge and stop the air terror? Later they, if they had not taken away the Red Army from Detachment 731, would have done so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II
Mikado it became clear that now Ivan will come to them after Sakhalin and Manchuria. That’s why they jerked for a week, they couldn’t repulse WMD from the landing and decided to surrender completely to the Americans, although according to the decisions of Yalta the Soviet occupation zone was half from Japan, if not more, we would have to take it, not the Americans, would they come the kamikaze melt everyone in military vehicles before they were transferred to landing barges.
They succeeded in landing on tiny Okinawa, since only 2 of its airfields were bombed and they were far from flying from the "mainland" and during this time the landing party, not only climbed into a barge, but went ashore. In order to suppress everything in "big Japan", there would never be enough strength. They would have responded to WMD with WMD, and only the Soviet Union could defeat them, and that was difficult.

[Scraptor]

Americans and British landed in Normandy across the strait from small landing barges - such people will not be able to cross the Ocean.
Escort fighter jets in order to lead them from Okinawa to all of Japan and control the landing gear, too, cannot fly round-trip and will not be able to barrage the right time. And in an aircraft carrier or in military transport / UDC - a bomb. Topred with a mini submarine or kamikaze, and there is none.

[Scraptor]

If again some doubts then for some reason it was hollowed only by B-29 raids and not by carrier-based aircraft.
"Deck aviation" only once in 1942
Japan represented for the USA from the sea an almost impregnable fortress.

Turning its civilian population to ashes, the Americans turned out to be six months.
This is generally not even a war, but simply genocide (it was for this purpose started, as in Europe, and then supported).

[Basil50]

As I understand it, this article shows a model for the education of reverence for its master. The Germans and Japanese now with such sincere and reverent love follow the orders of higher beings from the USA, involuntarily recall the relations of the slave and the master. And only a few of these * proud * peoples are at least trying to object.

[Ibrahim Botashev]

The next time the West asks us for such help, we need to send them. Let them achieve everything themselves! Fascists and Japanese, they, damn it, won. Yeah, of course. These are our soldiers who died in the trenches of Volokolamsk, fought desperately in the Nalibov Forest, knowing that they were doomed. These were our soldiers and sailors who defended Sevastopol and Odessa in actual isolation. Our soldiers fought off the Germans near Leningrad, even dying of hunger! Our soldiers beat the enemy with engineer blades in Stalingrad! And it was our soldiers who broke the ridge to the Nazis on Kursk! And it was our soldiers who took Berlin. It was our soldiers who destroyed the entire Kwantung enemy group in a couple of weeks and liberated the territory, which is larger than Germany and Italy combined in area (Manchuria)! And what about the British and the Americans? They cannot destroy a technologically backward enemy in the smallest islands. Yes, the Germans spanked them like children in France! For 4 years, the Americans could not defeat a country that was at times inferior to it in economic and military power (about Japan)! Every now and then, the Allies had the courage to bomb civilians in Dresden, but I am silent about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in general.

[Scraptor]

In addition, our pilots, shortly before Kursk, defeated the Luftwaffe over the Kuban, which allowed the Soyuznek to begin bombing Germany. Only now, they did not bomb the factories there, but were engaged in "dehousing", and officially.
And Hiroshima (bvl city where some hospitals, like Dresden) and Nagasaki (small shipyard) are unofficial revenge with the help of weapons of mass destruction on civilian objects for a strike on the Pearl Harber naval base with conventional weapons.

In addition to the victories of the ground forces and the Air Force, the Soviet submarine left the crews without crews as well as putting on a Bismarck sistership, which the entire English fleet was chasing (why the British knowing this with their claws, scraping, and the Nazi wrecks, then hanging his relative, are now busy with falsifications stories here).

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here a documentary film doesn’t give a bad visual layout ...! We can show a lot of things to the Japs! Look, it’s interesting ...

[clidon]

In my opinion, there have already been detailed descriptions of how the Japanese government made the decision to surrender. The "party of war" has already undermined its credibility both by the loss of Okinawa and the unsuccessful use of kamikaze and the general understanding that the war is lost. The Japanese had already asked for peace at the beginning of the summer. Therefore, when nuclear bombs exploded over the cities (the number of which the Yankees had then was unknown), and the USSR entered the war, it became clear in Tokyo like no other day that the war was completely lost and its delay would only lead to the destruction of the Japanese nation.

[Scraptor]

Crap ... in the Battle of Okinawa, kamikazes on the contrary showed freedom to be effective.
but expecting something else from you was pointless.
The United States could not land on the large Japanese islands, in principle, if only from Soviet territory - Kamchatka and Sakhalin, walking along a chain of islands from north to south or traveling from Europe to northern Sakhalin along the Trans-Siberian Railway.
When disembarking across the ocean, until the infantry moved to the landing barges from the military transports, it is very (unacceptable) vulnerable. Carriers against the big shore - too.

[clidon]

Yes, such an efficiency that the Americans captured Okinawa, although the war party promised the nation that they would not give up a piece of land.
In this case, the preponderance of forces was rapidly growing not in favor of Japan. And Tokyo understood that the war was lost - the battle was only for conditions.

[Scraptor]

In your mind, to compare the capture of Okinawa and the loss of southern Sakhalin? (they consider them yours)? This is not talking about the disaster of the Japanese in Manchuria.
Or have CNN been revised?
During Okinawa, the battle was just going on, not even in time, because the Americans had already burned Japanese cities and the Japanese had developed weapons.

[clidon]

The war went on with the United States and the loss of Okinawa was a moral blow to those who insisted on war to the bitter end. The loss of the "colonies" was not perceived that way.
At the same time, no one in Japan made any bet on a bacteriological superweapon, which even against the Soviet army (at hand) was not widely used.

[Scraptor]

Is it also the BBC? The war was already going on with the USSR, and only Sakhalin (which they, like the Kuriles, considered theirs) weighs many times heavier than Okinawa. Or "didn't notice"?
Maybe they became but did not have time. They had to take revenge for the destruction of their civilians. And stop this business.
Would they be in the Red Army - would receive chemistry in response. And captured German too. In general, everything would be much worse. And no one would look at America.

Quote: clidon

In this case, no one in Japan did not rely on a bacteriological superweapon

you hang this pornography to someone else, this is an WMD and otherwise you would not be engaged in it.

[clidon]

And that is, a deserted island much steeper than Okinawa. You are far from even the BBC. The level of "carbon monoxide" with rent.
What makes you think (well, except for thoughts from your head) that the Japanese were going to take revenge on someone, and even for the death of civilians? This is in a militarized state, where the emperor was in the first, second and third places, and then the military and then civilians. Only when the threat of loss of the nation as such was created, the scales shifted towards unconditional surrender.
And of course, Japanese chemistry was much worse than German chemistry. ) The wunderwaffle immediately lost its superpower.

[Scraptor]

Why would it be deserted?

And in yours, do they happen sometimes? For the death of civilians in normal people, it is necessary to take revenge much more. It is incomprehensible - so do not relate to them.
The emperor is in their first place because he came from the moon (Shinto)
The German army was gone. The American was far away. Someone else was preparing to cross the strait to Hokkaido. And she was not going to exterminate the Japanese, unlike the Americans, but then, after all, having received completely from someone whom they looked down on for 40 years, complete Zen could come, so the emperor did not tell the whole "truth."

Well, in Okinawa, civilians were killed mostly and what's the loss? On a small, distant, deserted island? Would the Americans have killed almost all civilians in the cities - and since Japan is a militaristic state, what is the loss? Let's fight on! By the way, why don't you destroy them with anthrax? ... Constantly contradict yourself in the pro-American nonsense. Go try to raise the flag "with six" (By the way, this is also Japan).
Or shake a test tube at the UN without OZK and gloves so that nearby no one would move away, frown or run away.

[clidon]

Since it was sparsely populated.

Revenge is the third thing - the main thing is to win the war. And judging by the real story in Tokyo, they perfectly understood their capabilities. Although they tried to scare the Red Army by gathering rats and apparently preparing for BV.

The emperor is a descendant of the goddess Amaterasu, a living god.

The army of Russian communists, which had just "raped 2 million German women," and then mutilated 600 thousand prisoners in Siberia (and not only), of course, was awaited in Tokyo with great joy. Especially those who possessed capital, power, etc.

Either you don't want to read, or the usual voice in your head drowns out everything. ) The Japanese did not really care about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians when they were burned with lighters "War, these are victims." But when the state itself came under threat, I had to think.

[Scraptor]

So what? just repeat the previous comment?

It’s a pity that you were not raped Have you already watched "Child 44" on the news channel? There is about the clock but not about this case ...
With 2 million, they have long been knocked down to 500 thousand t. Of the 1,5 million official complaints to the police, basically the same ladies who were not paid complained.
I would like at the same time to learn about Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs (Moldavians, Georgians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Finns, Latvians, Ukrainians and Bandera)
now you can switch to another news channel to watch the movie "Fury" with tanks there is something about the western zone of occupation
600 thousand prisoners were "and then" and not before.
You see, it’s just not treated and you didn’t try to think that since a war is a war and what a big difference they’ll get bombed from above or come. And just how suddenly the state was put at risk - you yourself again contradict your voice in your head and yourself.
According to the "moon-faced" state, they were under threat because an unnamed enemy used a bomb, and only one.

[clidon]

The fact that you are a gambling hamlo market I have already concluded for myself. I won’t even discuss the war crimes of that time, especially since it doesn’t fit into the context of the issue under discussion. It is important how the Japanese government perceived it then. And it just did not burn with a desire to see Russians on the Japanese islands.
The bomb explosion, of course, impressed. Moreover, no one knew how many Yankees had such bombs. If you have already lost the war, then the meaning of resistance is lost.

[Scraptor]

From the previous comment, almost anyone (not the same as you) will conclude that you.
Well, it’s as if you were already trying to start it and put it into context (at the same time transferring war crimes from Germany to the USSR), so take it to the dark gateway until you go to court.
The bombing made an impression only in the sense that 3 bombers did what they previously did 300 and it was decided not to save fuel anymore and to start shooting down even single B-29s over Japan. The one who himself has WMD (and at that time was much more dangerous, bacteriological) did not lose, the one who lost it in Manchuria, and who then could not stop the Soviet attack from North to South on their skeletons.
They don’t play war at all, they play cards, not necessarily contour ones.
The Japanese government did not want to see the Russians in Tokyo and even in Hokkaido (which was a part of Japan only since 1879), because then a Shandian would come to their national idea with a sharp knife. They would have become Papua New Zealand again in terms of prestige, and so surrendered to the "UN" with which they fought 4g and not to the "northern barbarians" against which they could not stand even four weeks.

[clidon]

Actually, the effect of nuclear weapons lies precisely in the fact that one bomb makes as much as an armada of aviation. At the same time, the Japanese did not have the opportunity to defend themselves effectively.
I have already provided information on BO - at that time (and even now, in general) it was relatively ineffective.
They did not want to see the Russians in the first place because they were communists. Everyone was already aware of what it is.

[Scraptor]

Actually, so that the B-29 with it was not intercepted, he must be accompanied by a rather large armada, otherwise they will shoot down one, and then return the "bomb" back. Therefore, at that time in Japanese conditions it was not 1 in 100, but rather 1 in 7.
They did not have protection from the usual armada, which, due to the distribution of explosives over the areas, made "work more effective" (if not taking into account radiation damage).
And there was no protection because there was not enough aviation gasoline for air defense fighters - they saved for kamikaze in case of an invasion.
In addition to the "striking" examples of Tokyo (100-300 thousand in one raid) and Dresden (from 225 thousand in one raid), the city of Toyama (production of ball bearings), completely covered and destroyed by lighters on the night of August 8, 1945, all were killed (three wounded died almost immediately), the number of victims is silent, before the war there were 150.000
August 8, 1945 is somewhere in the middle between the 6th and 9th.

According to BO Iikogo your "information" is not interested. Medieval plague and smallpox epidemics google.
They did not want to see the Russians because they are better, and 40 years of the "Nanking massacre" fell on Tsushima. Everyone already knows that you. And therefore, you know that since 1937 communism in the USSR was no longer on a Cambodian but on a Vietnamese model.

[clidon]

Well, of course - only the armada could be much smaller and the ammunition it could spend a 0 + 1 nuclear bomb and there were near-zero chances to defend itself. When there is hope for protection, this is one thing when you know that you have lost, plus this weapon can be used and it is another against the army.

The Japanese tried to cause an epidemic of plague in China with the help of an air raid of aviation - it did not work. An epidemic also needs a situation and a powerful new strain. For that matter, even now scientists are arguing about what that medieval plague was.

[Scraptor]

TNT is cheap and empty bombers had to fly several "boxes" to reliably cover the "atomic" B-29. Those were not intercepted because the first time they thought that the scouts, the second time "embarrassed" Toyama on August 8th.

Everything turned out back in the Middle Ages, even by itself,
and let British scientists argue. There were no microscopes then, but the people knew what was happening. Fleas bite noticeably and the person fell ill in those places. Not fools in general, the connection of one with the other was monitored. Not like some ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: clidon

Revenge is the third thing - the main thing is to win the war

something that is natural for us is abnormal for others and vice versa

[Scraptor]

Well, if there are some strange problems with revenge (well, for example, you will be eaten piece by piece and you all will not and will not give back), then how about "pay with the same coin"?
They bombarded Japan with lighters and weapons of mass destruction to ashes, why couldn’t they use their weapons of mass destruction? At least with the aim of ending these bombings and blackmailing them in the future.

It is useless for him to explain; he is standing guard over the interests of the United States - that’s all.
Although the B-29 rogues are not guaranteed to fly from Tinian Island, which can also be infected, and Seyran, who flew from Japanese aircraft carriers, is also an airplane. And it is possible without an airplane at all.

[clidon]

Yes, it was quite normal for the Japanese - the desire of the nation, everything was subordinated to one victory over the enemy. Therefore, even the losses of the civilian population were hidden in every possible way, so as not to undermine the spirit.

[Scraptor]

Therefore, many such infantile Americans think that the F-15 was shot down even once, and the loss of 69 cities (and the fact that they stop answering calls) of course "can be hidden" ... As in the Sovinformburo, the fact that the Germans are in Stalingrad and not in the western border of the USSR.

Here you write that the losses of the civilian population in militaristic Japan, on the contrary, could not be undermined in principle - only the loss of tiny Okinawa (and not the big Sakhalin near) ... but that’s why the fact that there are fights and then the fact of its loss did not hide.

[clidon]

In wartime conditions, the possibilities for hiding information and its perception by the population are much greater.
Okinawa did not undermine the spirit of the Japanese people, but the position of the war party in the government.

[Scraptor]

Well, if she (information) is in Okinawa, then yes, but everything is nearby - the neighboring cities "disappeared" in the amount of 69 pieces (though one it wasn’t written down) and people are fleeing from Sakhalin by boats that are your Cuban chikanos (mostly from the dressing room) in Miami, in his capitalist paradise with brothels and drug dealers.
Of the Soviet soldiers in Cuba, no one followed suit.
By the way, few of the Germans who fled to the incinerated west survived too - there was hunger and no one was fed from the regimental kitchens (but they did not see Russian communism), and those who survived gave themselves to American soldiers for a chocolate bar to feed their children. A tractor in Germany then cost only 4 kg of oil. About the same thing happened in Japan.

The positions of the war party in the government were undermined by the powerful offensive of the USSR, a disarming blow to the Japanese WMD (not the 82nd or 101st Airborn did this, and especially not your miracle warriors from the KMP), and the threat of direct occupation of Japan by the Soviet troops from the North through narrow straits.

[clidon]

I honestly lose your thought in your flow.
Information in wartime is still filtered. And everything is written off to the adversities of wartime. And the decimal decides to fight with cowards and alarmists, of which the Japanese traditionally have few.
As for the captivity, you really think that the Japanese who fell under the American occupation lived worse than the Japanese who got to "Siberia". Exactly like the Germans?

The positions of the war party in the government were undermined by the powerful offensive of the USSR,

According to the recollections of the Japanese - no one thought of WMD at all - nuclear weapons and the entry of the USSR into the war, these are two decisive factors.

[Scraptor]

No wonder. What to write when there is nothing to write?
How is it filtered in the absence of 69 cities? Cellular connection is turned off, the signal does not pass?
The alarmists from southern Sakhalin all fled.

Of course worse. In Siberia, no one died of hunger and radiation sickness.

According to the recollections of the Japanese what? Is it from a nuclear bomb that the population from southern Sakhalin almost swam evacuated?
They are probably from ignorance
Why didn’t they stand there with bamboo stakes?

[Scraptor]

Okinawa is a pebble in the sea (somewhere out there), and if at least one more next, "slightly less deserted" Hokkaido (now only 5 million lives) was captured behind the "deserted island" below, then its national idea with a sharp knife, but not only without hands in the form of Sakhalin and the Kuriles, but also without a "head" (or without half a head), a fat polar fox would come.
In Japan, looking at the map, this would be seen not only by every adult but also by every schoolboy. With a severed head, samurai do not live long, and therefore of them samurai would already be none ...
Therefore, America was against it, after all, after the landing of Piri in 1854 and the "discovery" of Japan, the Japanese were hung on the ears that they were an almost-white race, therefore, they had to cut and educate the yellow (in China) and at the same time bite the white-wrong. And as soon as they were "opened" they immediately climbed.
With their "contracts" - right away.

[Scraptor]

At the second discovery of Japan, by agreement with the Japanese political elite, they "made it so" that they were bombed by the USSR and taken from the civilian Japanese all the firearms. Only the gamekeepers have it, of which there are only a few hundred in the whole of Japan (and sometimes even fewer).
Knives for seppuku (though this is only for women), and bamboo stakes, left.
The occupation was unconditional except for the immunity of the emperor - in this they are well done.
The USA hangs on everyone’s ears that he was almost a child and, retouching this fact, they blame them on the contrary that their couplings in the occupied country went without weapons.

[Scraptor]

If your next "didn't shmogla" is about the effectiveness of kamikaze, then in the Battle of Little Okinawa they did not fly from Okinawa. this has already been discussed here (as well as many other things below). In the battle for Japan, they would fly from Japan itself.

Quote: Scraptor

This is for Essex 24, only 240 kamikazes are needed and they burn with blue plamen + some more for each military transport that carries several thousand soldiers at once, but they are not enough for every raft from the Soviet self-propelled guns.
There were only 2 aerodromes on Okinawa and they were crushed right away, after which the kamikaze had to fly in a straight line from the metropolis and the only way they could approach was known (and they all the same drowned and burned it unintentionally), and in case of an American attack on the Japanese islands - just remember how their aircraft carrier ran after Doolittle’s raid, not getting enough of his and other planes back.
There were at least three approaches on the Falklands and they were non-kamakaze, although one crashed ... but even then his English bombs with English detonators did not explode.
And the Americans would have caught up with at least 100500 thousand planes for the Japanese then it would have been easier on their coast - a kamikaze flew into their bunch and "got lost" there. Even with a white scarf.

You already have at least three "noschmogla" and they are only about the fact that for the United States itself or its Navy, including the "super troops" of the ILC (recruited from garbage dumps, at which then psycho corporals yell, to whom no one risks saying something in the face because that if something goes wrong, then it is better to immediately step with your boot on ..., there was / is an immediate threat.
- Japanese (and any other) kamikaze
- Japanese Bacteriological Imagine WMD (!) from aircraft carriers and non-aircraft carriers
- one Soviet aircraft-type product followed by 12 records (and from which the F-35 was torn).
You can also write down in your archive how the USSR "inserted the Spiral" (probably that's why they called it that way), although the AUG and UDC (military transports) of the MiG-105 could simply launch the R-7 or any ICBM, even with a bucket of tungsten shot or a bundle of uranium rods inside and many other non-nuclear ones are even cheaper.
But it’s right, there is warmth, capitalism and apples, and where else to go for grated jeans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLQYVVn09x4

[Shurik70]

79% condemn their compatriots' incineration in a nuclear fire

Condemn something is condemned ...
But when asked whether it is worth making friends with America, the majority will answer "Yes".
You ask - how so, condemn, but friends?
They will answer with a shrug - this is in the past.

The Japanese are a strange nation.
On the one hand, they honor and respect the ancestors.
But here are no lessons from the past.

[clidon]

What lessons do you need to learn? Fight with America and love Russia? )

[Scraptor]

To be friends / not to quarrel with Russia and to send / curse such America.

from the article:
This danger to the whole world was prevented by the entry of the USSR into the war. The former commander of the Kwantung Army, General Otozo Yamada, admitted at the trial: "The entry into the war against Japan of the Soviet Union and the swift advance of Soviet troops deep into Manchuria deprived us of the opportunity to use bacteriological weapons ..."
were going to apply and there was a reason! And the fact is that if they applied the Americans themselves would have gone to the world, those that remained (minus 25%). It was not about "hundreds of thousands" of Americans.

[clidon]

And why should they send America, which not only has given them economic prosperity, but also protects.

were going to apply and there was nothing!

Maybe they were going, in some perspective, but its efficiency was low (considering the volumes), the reserves are quite small, and the answer is cruel. After all, he removed the restriction on the use of chemistry.

[Scraptor]

Well, yes, from China, as their Minister of Defense told them in 2007, when he publicly said who actually bombed them.
Their economic prosperity has already ended since the intellectual property from Russia did not go to them, but to the USA.

It couldn’t, but it was about to be assembled, and in the closest one, therefore, military unit was landed on this Detachment 731. Volumes - 2 warehouses of only the plague and anthrax. Need to clarify the effectiveness? It was their turn to answer the Americans.

[clidon]

I remember your bike about the insight of the Japanese in 2007. ) The whole country fell to the TV-radio and eagerly listened to what the minister would say. It is a pity that besides your friends in Vladivostok Japanese, this fact was not noticed by anyone.)
Well yes. Their prosperity began as soon as they received the drawings of Moskvich 412th. ) And ended with "Datsun-grant". )

And we were going to use chemical weapons throughout the war. And they got it. It is especially interesting how the Japanese would arrange a mass attack with fragile ceramic pots with fleas without actually any serious aviation forces at that time.
And for some reason, the rescue landing is not even mentioned in the memoirs:

After air raids on railway junctions, military facilities and airfields on the night of August 9-10, Soviet troops unexpectedly for the Japanese went on the offensive with three fronts. In some places, on the first day of the offensive, they advanced 50 kilometers. Yamada lost control of the situation on the fronts, and he did not even think of any massive use of bacteriological weapons. Detachment 731 was asked to act "at its own discretion," or, more simply, "cover up traces" and run.
Work on the evacuation of the detachment began on the night of August 10-11. In the memory of the former employees of the detachment, they were imprinted in different ways. Their memories, told by Morimura, are similar in only one: “These were terrible days, like a nightmare.”

The head of the detachment with materials calmly evacuated and worked fruitfully under the care of the United States.

[Scraptor]

Well, then you spread the tales here, and systemically.
What does the Vladivostok Japanese acquaintances have to do with it?
In the Far East from russian older knows anyone that the Japanese believed that they were bombed by the USSR. Those who went to Japan were warned about this.

Earlier ... What is over now, but America is "prospering"?
Well, the Germans generally got out (and not only with him, and in general for the same reason as the Japanese) ... From the aircraft-carrying submarines, it was written. If you have a bad imagination, it doesn’t mean that they’re really bad, otherwise others would do it.

Not understood - not surprising. Evacuation began on the 15th. You never know who forgot what to say or write - the Japanese emperor also then said that they were bombed by the enemy but did not specify which one.
But everyone, of course, immediately thought that they were innocent (she attacked just now).

The squad leader was evacuated with materials and not with finished goods warehouses. So who are they after that? And why is it immediately fruitful right now?

[clidon]

Of course, because in the Far East every day they communicate with the Japanese, and even with everyone. And they are there on the weekend. )

Do aircraft carriers generally bombed the United States many times? Once - with one light machine, as far as I remember. And to no avail. )

Well, you know better when the evacuation began and how it ended. It’s strange that it’s not the use of superweapons. ) So what about the landing?

[Scraptor]

It often happens. With all who communicate. Except one or two. One traveled to the states there to find out (but stood and kept silent while talking to others because they would not have believed him), the second was hibakusha. Usually they go to the Far East and not to them. They have more money.

To no avail in what sense and by what? More than once. They also fired artillery a couple of times. Balls of some kind launched into the stratospheric current, orashny ... no one else knew about it then.

Something strange is with you - how can you apply something that cannot be approached? The landing party died capturing and holding warehouses then almost all ...

Go to the cinema to see "Through the Gobi and Khingan", there were no go-about cameras then. The date of the landing was shifted by the directors to a later one. The losses were very heavy - no other Soviet film showed a field strewn with the bodies of soldiers, and even so that someone was dragging a parachute.
Americans show how in extreme cases someone is hanging on a tree and they are hooked.

The commandos attack on just a heavy water factory in Norway in three films of 1948, 1965, 2015 (and others) was photographed with much less realism, although at least 2 real paratroopers were shot in Perm, and this does not mean that this was not true.

[clidon]

Well, so - nothing of what I know, read, heard or communicated in Japan, this does not confirm. Neither Japanese news programs nor the Internet. But of course, those who talked with someone there are more visible. )

To no avail in the sense that Japan could not inflict any damage on the metropolis in real life or in plans. They tried to do something with great risk, but the point was zilch. immediately to achieve a little effect, a massive application was needed.

The landing party died capturing and holding warehouses then almost all ...

Not their little things any information is? And maybe this is the only source?

[Scraptor]

That is, the opinion of clidona absorbing from news channels (probably 10 years ago and in Japanese) is more than the experience of the whole Russian Far East?

WMD is, there are delivery vehicles - and could not? In WMD, the letter M is already there.

Ask people ... if of course they will communicate with you. You have already been told about the "kinushka" ...
But you, it’s only Japanese news programs that have buzzing, even Norwegian ones are not comme il faut.

[clidon]

And you do not speak for all of the Russian Far East. ) Speak better for yourself.

Could of course. But everyone understood that this could not win the war.

Ask people ... if of course they will communicate with you.

Everything is clear - your knowledge from the old cinema. I did not even expect this.

[Scraptor]

You are sent to the whole Russian Far East to ask anyone.

Who is all this? Speak for yourself ...

All clear with you. Ask people again if they will communicate with you ... Dial on the Internet for a large number of air and sea landings that took place in the Soviet-Japanese war.

[clidon]

If you wish, I can send you even further. )

Government of Japan.

I already realized that besides the information in the movie, you have zero.

[Scraptor]

Try it ... Only who else but in the Far East should know people because most of all they talked with the Japanese?

Of course, after August 15, they already understood. But not after the 6th or 9th.

Everyone already understood what kind of fruit you are, or rather a vegetable, or rather, once it was ...
As if a repeat - Dial on the Internet for a large number of Soviet air and sea landings that took place in the Soviet-Japanese war.

[clidon]

People in the Far East are not much different from people in any other region. And they have little more contact with the same Japanese. Someone drives for cars, someone sailed to sell fuel, but the Yapas do not go there in crowds and do not share frank information. As always, "someone heard something."

Even before the defeat of the Kwantung Army in the morning of 9 on August 1945, the Foreign Minister of Togo was convincing Prime Minister Suzuki that the entry of the Soviet Union into the war leaves for Japan no choice but to accept the terms of the Potsdam Declaration. The influential minister-keeper of the imperial press, Kido Koichi, reported to Hirohito about the need to immediately stop the war. At the same time, fear was expressed that otherwise defeat in the war could push the masses to revolution. In an effort to avoid this, the political leadership of the country and the emperor’s entourage considered it necessary to capitulate to the Americans and the British as soon as possible in order to prevent the Soviet Union from landing on the Japanese islands. Prime Minister Suzuki, speaking out against attempts by the military to delay the final decision on surrender, said at a meeting in the presence of the emperor that "it is necessary to put an end to the war while we are dealing with the Americans."

Well, with whom I deal, I understood a long time ago. )) A clown is the most accurate definition.
Come on red give the link. ) Or just finish your performance.

[Scraptor]

In the Far East, they always talked more with the Japanese cross-border and in the ports of other countries. With the same poachers.
This was all known even before the stagnation, the car had nothing to do with it.
When the Far East spoke about this in the European part of the USSR, almost no one believed. Everyone was taught that the US was bombing - how could the Japanese not know this at home?

The fact that they decided to give up on the night of August 14/15 rather than the 9th.
It is strange why the defeat in the war and the landing of the Americans did not cause a revolution. At least the bourgeois.

Let’s go multicolored and ask for this link on their professional holiday today ... and don’t forget about child 44 - maybe they will rape me.

[clidon]

This was all known even before the stagnation, the car had nothing to do with it.

Cool. It turns out that our people in the USSR were well informed about the affairs of the bourgeoisie, after they caught the poachers. And then they called and said - "Well, the Minister of Defense said and that's it ... everyone saw their sight!" Burn more !.

The fact that they decided to give up on the night of August 14/15 rather than the 9th.

And I showed you the fact of how to prepare for this date. Or do you think that such decisions are made in half an hour?
I don’t know what child44 is better and closer to you, but I already understood that you are just a talker-demagogue.

The conversation on this topic is over.

[Scraptor]

It turns out yes. It’s not difficult to make a conclusion - almost all Japanese who come across in a row cannot be crazy, which means some bastards taught them this (let’s put it for their sake, but not for our good), to better tolerate the occupation forces, were members of ASEAN ... And now they are trying struggle to grind the fact of it here.
Soviet school children usually did not believe in it and even laughed at perestroika when teachers tried to tell them that the Japanese think that the USSR bombed them atomically. The diplomatic mission when the Soviet citizen was traveling to Japan warned about this, including not to climb with his condolences to the Japanese, especially on these memorable dates.
Competent comrades looked at the speeches of "Moonface" where, as of August 15 and 17, only one bomb was said and whose it was not said, then they took Japanese school textbooks where it was also unwritten who bombed, but it says "The USSR attacked Japan (in Manchuria ) and Nagasaki was destroyed, "and quickly figured out who and how and for what grants twisted the brains of the Japanese.
Japan's defense minister, anticipating mass "epiphany and revolution", said who actually bombed the Japanese on TV only in 2007. They shouted at him so that he would not be such a nationalist spanking nonsense and even rushed with something ...

14/15 took half an hour. Otherwise, the Americans would not have had time to "help" them in just a week and a half. Troops for unloading in Yokohama and in other places still need to be assembled and many different plans developed.
By this date, they could not recapture 6 warehouses of their bacteriological WMD from the Soviet dens, and the motorized riflemen were already close to Detachment 731.

This is correct, otherwise they will remove the watch and not only "rape" in the gateway. As in Child-44.
But you already earned yourself an article.

[Revolver]

Quote: Shurik70

The Japanese are a strange nation.

Not without that. However, which is not strange?

Quote: Shurik70

They will answer with a shrug - this is in the past ...
On the one hand, they honor and respect the ancestors.
But here are no lessons from the past.

Yes, they are. For them, war is akin to a tournament. Counted points, awarded winners - EVERYTHING. The next tournament everyone starts from scratch. So it was from the time of their feudal warrior. In this battle, these two feudal lords are enemies, in the next they may be on one side. And vice versa. And not once.
In 1900, Japan was an ally of Russia against China. And then in 1904 the Russo-Japanese War. And in 1914, since after Tsushima Russia did not really have a fleet in the Pacific Ocean, it was the Japanese fleet that protected the Russian coast and trade routes from raiding the German Pacific flotilla.

[Scraptor]

Well, and what?

In 1914 not a single raider would have reached there through the British. The Japanese fleet, on the contrary, in violation of maritime law, simply blocked the exit of Russian / Soviet ships to the Ocean from 1905 to 1945, this shameful circumstance was one of the reasons for the termination of the neutrality pact of April 1941.

[Revolver]

Quote: Scraptor

Well, and what?

In 1914 not a single raider would have reached there through the British.

Read well at least this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_East_Asia_Squadron
- so offhand. The Germans had a base in Qingdao and a strong detachment of heavy cruisers. In particular, they sank the Russian cruiser Zhemchug and several smaller vessels. And who do you think stormed this base as a result? That's right, the Japanese. So at least check Wiki before you post, and even less minus.

[Scraptor]

Well, where did he reach? And who drowned him, the Japanese or the British?
The pearls were drowned by vrodeba because the French poorly guarded their base.
Qingdao was ten times weaker than Port Arthur. There, Japan simply decided to get hold of what lies bad while Germany is busy in Europe. This is not the enemy of my enemy, my friend, but each on his own.
Catch another minus. What about the fact that the Japanese did not release the Russian / Soviet fleet into the open Ocean until 1945?

[parusnik]

Japan's capitulation: atomic bombs or the Soviet blitzkriegSoviet blitzkrieg without or .... For one simple reason, at the Yalta Conference ... our type allies are Anglo-Saxons .. just begged Stalin to go to war with Japan, if the Americans hoped for an atomic bomb .. didn’t ask .. Sense. . threw bombs without the USSR ... However .. they still had to admit the territorial requirements of the USSR in the Far East, if the USSR entered the war .. And the atomic bombing of Japan, this is to scare the USSR, not the Japanese ...

[Denis_469]

"The 7 August radio warning of US President Harry Truman about the US readiness to unleash more atomic strikes was interpreted by the Japanese government as propaganda of the allies." - It's right. Japanese intelligence knew that the US had 1 uranium bomb and 1 plutonium bomb. Moreover, the uranium bomb was partially made using uranium captured on a surrendered German submarine, which was carrying Japan the missing uranium for a Japanese nuclear bomb.

Actually, Japan also managed to test its nuclear bomb in August 1945. But she did not manage to assemble her first combat nuclear bomb. Part of the prepared uranium was captured by Soviet troops in August 1945. After that, the issue of Japanese nuclear weapons was closed. And there was no chance of a continuation of the war.

After dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, the United States did not have more nuclear weapons. There were no prepared plutonium or enriched uranium.

[colonel manuch]

In the 45th USSR, I was able to independently break up the Japanese army not only in the continent, but also directly on the islands, REMEMBER: A LANDING was ready for landing in Hokayido, immediately after the defeat of the Quan- tian-speaking region. ATOMIC BOMBARDS FINALLY HAVE AN EFFECT, BUT ...., ALSO NOT HERE TO DECREASE HERE AND MADE BY THE US MILITARY AT THE PACIFIC MILITARY THEATER, FOR THE Pearl Pearl Harvest

[Scraptor]

They knocked out poorly guarded or generally unguarded Japanese tankers going along the Chinese coast from the submarine, then when the Japanese ran out of gasoline and the fighters were on the ground, they bombed their airfields and naval bases from the B-17, then the Japanese ships got out on the remains of solarium so as not to "stay" there, and constrained by the lack of fuel and aviation in maneuvering, reconnaissance and air cover were melted in narrow straits, and again mostly from the B-17
you can see on the wiki a photo of how Japanese battleships before being sunk write out monograms under the bombs on the water ... two at once.
Then, capturing the small Tinian, they simply began to destroy the Japanese civilian population with B-29 lighters, almost without encountering them due to a lack of hunchback of resistance to Japanese air defense. A total of 69 Japanese cities were destroyed, and not 2, and the Japanese are preparing to respond with conventional and aircraft-carrying submarines to bacteriological WMDs on American bases and American cities on the continent even before they use nuclear weapons (and then due to the use of unconventional weapons and conventional large-scale for unconventional purposes and radiation sickness, this would be self-evident).

Oil was extracted in Indonesia and the Philippines, and it was transported to Japan for distillation; they had no refinery at the place of production. There were also no radars and sonars, even radar detectors. And tankers were detected by the Americans with a radar with submarines and then drowned almost with impunity and into the light.

Then the USSR came to Manchuria and took away the "last argument of the emperor" in the person of the weapons of mass destruction of Detachment 731 and others. And then, almost immediately, the T-34-85 and IS-3 would have crossed two narrow straits from North to South, and after a couple of months of fighting they drove along the streets of Edo and Tokyo. Therefore, it remains only to rush back under the skirt of the United States, let the Americans in, indulge their national pride "Tsushima" and let them inspire children in schools that the USSR bombed them with nuclear weapons. Since the mid-19th century, Japan has always been an Anglo-American mongrel, then it just fell off the chain for 3,5 years. with it they injured and destroyed the Chinese.
The United States was against the fact that the USSR would take the Kuril Islands back and land on Hokkaido. They insisted on the conditions of the Portsmouth Peace that the Japanese demanded half of Sakhalin. And these two countries together with France threatened to internationalize the REE as before in Krymkuyu with Turkey.
Our marines, who were only a couple of hours late, drove them from the harbors of Port Arthur by machine gun bursts and light artillery.

If the Americans hadn’t bombed Japanese cities since February 1945, Japan might have surrendered to them on honorable terms before the USSR entered the war, but not after. They were prepared to take revenge and were able to kill up to 25% of the US population.

[Denis_469]

Quote: Scraptor

There were also no radars and sonars, even radar detectors.

It was all there. And in 1945 it was no worse than that of the Americans. Another thing is that the aviation industry could not produce the required number of powerful aircraft engines. So in Japan they created an excellent carrier-based fighter "A-7". Only now they released them, like, as many as 3 pieces. It's the same with everything else. There was a big failure in the air defense of surface ships. Because initially 25 mm were defective, and Japan could not create anything more modern.

Quote: Scraptor

And tankers were detected by the Americans with a submarine radar and then drowned almost with impunity into the lungs.

This is not true. There was no sense of impunity there.

[Scraptor]

Judging by the minuses and answers, it is clear that several proofs entered at once.
All this had nothing to fly, even with those "bad" motors that were. No one even climbed to intercept two or three "atomic" B-29s, since there was an instruction to rise only to intercept large groups and not "scouts", because harassing raids of even large groups had previously depleted the remnants of fuel at Japanese bases in the southern seas.
And the Japanese created an excellent analogue of the B-17/29 in what codes? About the same, because there’s nothing to fly on anyway.

And what did it smell like? There were no radars even on Japanese heavy cruisers - they shot at night by eye. But the tankers were knocked out not in 1945 when something may have appeared, but in 1942-43.

[Denis_469]

Quote: Scraptor

And what did it smell like?

As a rule, medium damage immediately after the attack. And in many cases, and severe damage. It’s just that Western historiography and official history do not write about damage to submarines. And they were such that, even after repairs, American planes lost a significant part of their combat capabilities.

Quote: Scraptor

There were no radars even on Japanese heavy cruisers - they shot at night by eye.

There were radars on Japanese ships. Moreover, of such quality that they were not inferior (in 1945) to American radars. And sometimes American pls confused Japanese 10 cm radars with American 10 cm radars. Moreover, these 10 cm appeared on large ships of Japan in 1944, and on anti-submarines and destroyers in 1945.

You do not read the official history, but the documents of submarines or surviving materials on their military campaigns. There the picture will be completely different than the official story.

[Scraptor]

There wasn’t much smell there because

Quote: Denis_469

There were radars on Japanese ships. Moreover, of such quality that they were not inferior (in 1945) to American radars. And sometimes American pls confused Japanese 10 cm radars with American 10 cm radars. Moreover, these 10 cm appeared on large ships of Japan in 1944, and on anti-submarines and destroyers in 1945.

and the tankers were knocked out for six months in 1942-43
on Guadalcanal, too, the Japanese were without radar relying on good night vision.

Historiography will not teach about submarine damage, you need to know how it is built and floats.

[Revolver]

Quote: Denis_469

So in Japan they created an excellent carrier-based fighter "A-7".

For its time and "Zero" was not bad, with the "wild cats [Wildcat]" dealt with once, having superiority in speed and maneuver. Only the "hellcat [Hellcat]" managed to surpass them in speed and vertical maneuver due to the huge propulsion, and in turns the "Zero" was out of competition until the end of the war.

Quote: Denis_469

They just released them, like, as many as 3 pieces.

They lost their meaning because Japan lost all aircraft carriers.

You may notice that the Japanese still made the most powerful battleships such as Yamato. But in a one-on-one clash against Iowa, I would bet on an American. The Japanese had ever shot from their monstrous 18 inches. The Americans already had a radar tip, so they covered almost the very first salvo at extreme distances, and 16 inches is also not horseradish. And the Japanese had everything they had - optical rangefinders with not the best optics. Although the first successful hit Yamato could be the end of Iowa.

[Scraptor]

They lost fuel. In Indonesia and the Philippines, there are a lot of coastal bases, and aircraft could fly from any small lanes.
An aircraft carrier then was much cheaper, smaller and simpler (even with an air group) than a battleship, it was just stupid that there was no fuel because the American submariners knocked out all the tankers with radars at night and the Japanese had no brains at the place of oil production in Southeast Asia.
They also did not have the courage to stockpile bacteriological weapons of mass destruction in Japan and not in Manchuria where they lost it, but this is not surprising since they used the Chinese as raw materials (well, like monsters) - not just for experiments, and be sick epidemics in Japan.

[Denis_469]

Quote: Nagan

nor lost meaning, because Japan lost all aircraft carriers.

By the time of Okinawa, Japan had more aircraft carriers than it had before the start of the war. There were simply no carrier-based fighters for them. "A-6" lost 2 battles: the Mariana Islands and Leite, after which it was clear that they were already outdated. Therefore, the aircraft carriers remained in the bases.

Quote: Nagan

But in a one-on-one clash against Iowa, I would bet on an American. The Japanese had ever shot from their monstrous 18 inches. The Americans already had a radar tip, so they covered almost the very first salvo at extreme distances, and 16 inches is also not horseradish. And the Japanese had everything they had - optical rangefinders with not the best optics. Although the first successful hit Yamato could be the end of Iowa.

The Japanese were shooting smartly from their gun mounts (460 mm). It should be remembered that hitting the American escort aircraft carrier "Yamato" was made with the 1st salvo. Another thing is that the projectile passed through the aircraft carrier without exploding, but you can't fire armor-piercing projectiles at non-armored ships. And it happened at a distance of about 25 km. The American battleships were not able to conduct effective artillery fire at such distances. The thing is that the Japanese battleship had an excellent radar control station for main caliber artillery fire. And in the caliber of the battleship's guns. A larger caliber allows for greater accuracy at long ranges. Moreover, the long-barreled 406-mm guns of American battleships gave great dispersion at long distances (we are watching the firing of 2 American battleships at 1 Japanese destroyer in 1944 - the shooting was like a shooting range, and not even a single fragment hit the destroyer). The larger-caliber guns of the Japanese battleship gave higher accuracy at long distances.

It's not just about the SLA. The point is also in the artillery itself.

[Scraptor]

Quote: Denis_469

after which it was clear that they were already out of date. Because the aircraft carriers remained in the bases.

go into battle with what is, or even aerial reconnaissance is not needed?
send ships completely without aviation because it is outdated - idiocy since, among other things, aviation is cheaper than corble.
Some sort of aircraft carrier there all the same was http://waralbum.ru/220012/
Japanese tactical aviation airfields were on the theater of operations! You could fly with them, unless of course there is fuel for this.

Of the 1543 Me-262 super-dupers, the Germans flew only 300.

And with artillery - yes, only the Americans had to fit into the limit of the Panama Canal for displacement, and it already limits artillery.

[Denis_469]

Quote: Scraptor

or even aerial reconnaissance is not needed?

For aerial reconnaissance were base reconnaissance aircraft.

Quote: Scraptor

send ships completely without aviation because it is outdated - idiocy since, among other things, aviation is cheaper than corble.

After the loss of deck pilots in two lost battles, the Japanese realized that deck pilots were too valuable to make them disposable by sending them into battle on the A-2.

Quote: Scraptor

Japanese tactical aviation airfields were on the theater of operations! You could fly with them, unless of course there is fuel for this.

And the Japanese base pilots and flew. And very active. At times, the American military plots totaled 70-80 detections of Japanese aircraft.

[Scraptor]

The aircraft carrier was still at least one.

Well, they would send newcomers ... Ships are more valuable.

And probably because all the plunged ...

[clidon]

The Japanese had no serious chance of a successful bacteriological war. And, I think, they were well aware of this:

Ishii's failure lies not in the lack of lethal potential in bacteria and viruses, but in the fact that it is too deeply hidden by nature. He did not even remotely succeed in anything resembling at least a separate episode from the pneumonic plague epidemic in Manchuria in 1910-11. All Ishii's attempts to use "bacterial rain" to infect people failed at the test site, and the Japanese could not resolve dozens of technical contradictions that arose during the transfer of the plague pathogen into aerosol for almost 14 years. As a result of these studies reaching a dead end, they chose the most dead end path in the development of their BO: ceramic bombs filled with plague fleas. In addition to biological aspects, it is necessary to take into account military-technical ones, which are usually not even considered by modern apologists of biological weapons of the Third World countries. To drop a bacteriological bomb on a military base or on an enemy city, you must have air supremacy. And this is beyond the power of such countries. At the firing range, on flat terrain, at some point the Japanese managed to detonate a ceramic bomb at a given height above the prisoners tied to pillars. Those, in turn, "waited" for the plague fleas to crawl on them. But in the face of enemy opposition and on rough terrain, this technique no longer worked. Now let's see if the Japanese BO could cause damage to the Soviet troops. Suppose a Japanese plane broke through the air defense system and struck with bacteriological bombs at the rear areas of the Soviet troops. Let us also assume that our soldiers did not see the spreading plague fleas and were bitten by them. All the same, the result of a bacteriological attack for the Japanese military would not be what they expected. The secret that Japan is waging a bacteriological war was not for anyone in 1945. Already in 1942, scientists T. Rosebery and E. Kabat mentioned the use of BW by the Japanese in China in their report to the American Congress. In the same year, during the Zhegan operation, the Japanese themselves seized an order from the chief of staff of the Chinese army to the division commander, printed on a hectograph, which said that the enemy was contaminating the area in the Juxian region with plague, and that special attention should be paid to this, and precautions should be taken ... The brutal nature of Japanese actions was also emphasized there. Therefore, there is nothing surprising in the fact that the Soviet army prepared in advance and carefully for bacteriological attacks. The entire personnel of the Far Eastern District was immunized with the highly effective "dry live plague vaccine NIIEG". The use of the anthrax pathogen by the Japanese would not have given a "positive" result either. In addition to the live anthrax vaccine, the production of penicillin was started in the USSR since 1944, which is used to treat anthrax today. The centralized supply of water excluded infection with the cholera pathogen from contaminated sources. Horses sick with glanders posed no danger to Russian tanks.

[Scraptor]

Another one...

Quote: clidon

The Japanese had no serious chance of a successful bacteriological war.

therefore, no one is now engaged in bacteriological weapons (as well as to a lesser extent chemical).
And the NBC-team you have in Amerik is just N-team (nuclear).

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Scraptor

therefore, no one is now engaged in bacteriological weapons (as well as to a lesser extent chemical)

?????????

[Scraptor]

it's all to him

[clidon]

Any research in the field of microbiology can be successfully summarized as preparation for such a war.
In real life, there is no serious evidence of the preparation of the United States or Russia (that is, the development and testing of new military strains, the accumulation of stocks of such weapons). But there is more than enough speculation.

[Scraptor]

Then remove the letter "B" from the NBC Protection Team.

Detachment 731 was not engaged in "research".

[clidon]

Detachment 731 was a division of the Japanese army. Modern microbiologists are not automatically equal fighting microbiologists. We have military centers of microbiology, but this does not mean that they are developing new combat viruses.

[Scraptor]

Well yes, you can bacteria ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: clidon

Any research in the field of microbiology can be successfully summarized as preparation for such a war.

in a row whether combat viruses should have a host of features, the same ebola does not pull on the fighting strain

[Scraptor]

After "Ishii's failure" I did not read any further ...
Combat Anthrax is also the development of Ishii in Detachment 731, do not compost people's brains.

[clidon]

Well, Anthrax certainly sounds cool, but for some reason the whole emphasis was on "vases" with fleas and cattle poisoning.

[Scraptor]

It sounds very unpleasant (and most importantly, is it familiar?), And it is Japanese. Cattle poisoning is Unit 100. Since when did plague and superplague become a "runny nose"?

[clidon]

It’s not a runny nose, but it’s not some kind of overwhelming prodigy. And those who were in Tokyo understood that "pots" can only annoy the enemy, which will negatively affect the surrender. The Emperor, after all, he could lose not only divinity.

[Scraptor]

Then it's to a speech therapist ... and before that, watch the movie "The Rock" with Sean Connery where the balls were green little glass, because they can't make porcelain in America

[clidon]

Are you campaigning, do you draw half of your knowledge in the cinema?

[Scraptor]

Hike you - everything ... And on the Discovery Channel.

[clidon]

Yes, now it will be difficult for you to otmazatsya. )

[Scraptor]

After the Som boat? There was recently an article about people like you, but they still don't know the whole truth.
Conversely, the medieval plague and smallpox epidemics google ...

[Scraptor]

Than using nuclear weapons for the Americans it would be easier for the Japanese to make Hiroshima once a week using conventional means (more were killed in Tokyo) and accumulate nuclear weapons that were in short supply then, the main motive was for Stalin to put almost all the most selective airborne forces to capture the Japanese Detachment 731, Truman, when he spoke about the "club against the Russian guys "I meant that too.

Having dropped the bombs, they were on very thin ice, because if the Soviet Union hadn’t launched an offensive, they would have flown the Japanese tide at the end of August along the western and at the beginning of October along the eastern coast. And Seyran with the submarine, he will get to the Great Lakes region. Not guaranteed, but just like the B-29.

After the capture of Detachment 731, the Japanese had the opportunity to kill 1,5 million Americans, but they did not become petty, especially since they were about to be captured by the USSR in Kyushu itself, inclusive.

[Scraptor]

This is for Essex 24, only 240 kamikazes are needed and they burn with blue plamen + some more for each military transport that carries several thousand soldiers at once, but they are not enough for every raft from the Soviet self-propelled guns.
There were only 2 aerodromes on Okinawa and they were crushed right away, after which the kamikaze had to fly in a straight line from the metropolis and the only way they could approach was known (and they all the same drowned and burned it unintentionally), and in case of an American attack on the Japanese islands - just remember how their aircraft carrier ran after Doolittle’s raid, not getting enough of his and other planes back.
There were at least three approaches on the Falklands and they were non-kamakaze, although one crashed ... but even then his English bombs with English detonators did not explode.
And the Americans would have caught up with at least 100500 thousand planes for the Japanese then it would have been easier on their coast - a kamikaze flew into their bunch and "got lost" there. Even with a white scarf.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Scraptor

get ready to take revenge and were able to kill up to 25% of the US population.

Nonsense.
Could - and would have done so. And then they would not care about sacrifices among their own for such a thing.

[Scraptor]

You have nonsense. They could and prepared, it was just necessary to develop more WMD and apply it immediately - there is less likelihood that they will have time to find a vaccine or an antidote. From February to August, everything was ready. Warehouses were seized less than a day before the start of the IJN shipment and in some bombs, carrier activation began.
What is difficult if even a non-flying submarine approaches the city and shells it even with just artillery?
Therefore, the Americans rushed about with their PLO even before the Cuban crisis, because the USSR got this "Japanese good" 2 warehouse packed.
In anecdotal warning, the Japanese boat sneaked off the US coast a couple of times and set fires and tularemia in California - like not a single boat (by extreme measure on the way back) was sunk and not a single plane was shot down.

[NordUral]

Our victories. They are already accustomed to fiery tornadoes. The Yankees did not stand on ceremony in Japan. Not only Dresden burned.

[Scraptor]

Dresden burned more than the British.

[Scraptor]

In Germany, 164 cities were burned and Dresden, like Hiroshima, were cities in which there were only hospitals.
There was a small shipyard in Nagasaki
In Dresden there was a small factory of optics, which on April 17, in order for the "Russians" to be missing, was destroyed by a raid of only 8 (eight, 100 times more than 772-795 were involved in the raid on the city), before that, on the remaining ashes littered with corpses, he regularly made optics, and the Germans fought mainly on the eastern front.
In residential areas there were dumped 2,7 kt per night. For all the time of bombing in all areas of the city 16,1 kilotons.
Americans on Wikipedia write that Hiroshima is 12-15 kilotons, that is, less. What characteristically write in the tablet on the right that twenty of them were killed there as well as English and Dutch prisoners of war (POW) and 20,000+ soldiers
but the fact that these soldiers were killed in hospitals and not in barracks - they don’t write about hospitals, there are only three paragraphs in the center of the article and with emphasis on militrary hospital only about one, although something is mentioned about Red Cross but only in relation to one another and located in a neighboring city ... About the fact that hospitals cannot be bombed at all - they leave ruminants behind the scenes, well, or they can.
And in civilian terms, they have such a spread in numbers ... It turns out that In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizable military garrison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
in as it should!
casualties and losses
20 US, Dutch, British prisoners of war killed
by the number of beeches more than
20,000+ soldiers killed
and some
70,000-146,000 civilians
Well, this is somewhere "collateral damage" - only 3,5 japs ​​for one Japanese solat. Echo of war ...

[Scraptor]

So-so-so-so-so-so-so-so-so !!!

"In the rescript of August 17, 1945" To the soldiers and sailors, "the commander-in-chief of the army and navy of Japan, Emperor Hirohito, no longer mentioning the American atomic bombs ..."

Emperor Hirohito on August 15 did not mention that they are American:
"using adversary "The new and heaviest bomb of unprecedented destructive power."

but the recent entry of the USSR into the war was not long before the Japanese of the 15th first learned about this bomb (and in the singular, although two have already been dropped) - the 2nd was already reset exactly the 9th, but the first is the 6th so it was better to mention one (bomb) .
in Japanese school books, Hiroshima was later described in passing. The main emphasis is USSR entered the war and the bombing of Nagasaki on the same day. Whoever doesn’t believe, let him take the old textbook and check.

the emperor does not lie - but he didn’t tell the whole truth, and then RayONO tried for grants

[Scraptor]

Facts indicate that without entering the war the USSR Americans couldn’t quickly conquer Japan, “Throwing it with atomic bombs”, as the American military propaganda convinced the Japanese population in leaflets and on the radio.

nothing of the kind has ever been scattered. there were often warning leaflets to leave the city before being burned with lighters, but not always and ... usually in English.

[Vadim12]

These are just myths - which Japanese are proud and independent, respecting the code of samurai, etc. Just slaves of America, they are not warriors, just drischi, who are morally omitted. Something else blather. For 24 days, their vaunted army was defeated, immediately became more talkative. Litter staff, still hoping for a return of the territories.

[Zomanus]

It would be nice for us to capture Hokkaido. I wonder what stopped? But this island is just opposite the Primorsky Territory ... Well, what about nuclear bombs. so apparently it's just us. Russians are tensing about this. Because in our climatic conditions, for us life is very valuable. And people in milder climatic conditions breed so quickly and so easily survive that for them this is a minor incident.

[Scraptor]

The fact that America (Baba Yaga) was against it was said that they will fight with us because of this. Because of Japan’s separate task, they violated the conditions handed out signed in Yalta and took everything to themselves. There were attempts to hinder the Kuril operation, but almost managed to
here and there
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Матуа
Stalin didn’t fight with them, although he could, people simply wouldn’t understand and why it’s not so special — Japan of the USSR should not be as much as Germany, although all of Hokkaido or only its Northern part, most of it in response to 40 years of occupation of southern Sakhalin if it’s not the United States, they took it for 50 years.

[Ibrahim Botashev]

Quote: Zomanus

It would be nice for us to capture Hokkaido. I wonder what stopped? But this island is just opposite the Primorsky Territory ... Well, what about nuclear bombs. so apparently it's just us. Russians are tensing about this. Because in our climatic conditions, for us life is very valuable. And people in milder climatic conditions breed so quickly and so easily survive that for them this is a minor incident.

Hokaido was a large island. The Soviet command was afraid of heavy losses during the landing. In addition, the country urgently needed to return to a peaceful life, the extension of the war would cost a lot of resources. Moreover, preparation for the landing in that section of the country, which leads to only one railway.

[TsUS-Air Force]

very interesting and informative! to make more documentaries and programs and run on television so that the country knows the story!