Boroday: "In fact, the shooters are already fighting on the side of the enemy"

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In an interview with the first Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed DPR, Alexander Boroday, “The Russian Reporter” for the first time discusses the unknown details of the war in the Donbass and above all - the actions and personality of the legendary Strelkov - Igor Girkin. Strelkov himself constantly confirms the myth about himself, including talking about his role in the Crimea, taking responsibility for the beginning of armed resistance in the Donbas, blaming many former comrades-in-arms for treason. History wars in the Donbass are not just a story, but also a current policy, and this interview is interesting not only as a squabble between former comrades-in-arms and the top officials of the DPR, but as another opportunity to get closer to understanding this conflict

When your famous interview for Topical Comments (http://actualcomment.ru/ya-russkiy-imperialist.html) appeared last year in which you said that Strelkov ordered the surrender of Donetsk and the retreat of military detachments to the territory of the Russian Federation , the Moscow "Strelkovskaya intelligentsia" and bloggers like Kolonel Rozhin, are up in arms against you ...

First, not so famous. The resource, to put it mildly, is not of "federal significance." Believe me, if I was so eager to tell the world "the whole truth" or organize "harassment of Strelkov", I would be able to choose a more powerful resource - with all due respect to "Actual Comments." And so - just people came, asked questions, I answered. I have nothing to hide. Secondly, I knew that they would “turn out to be in arms” and warned about it. As for this Colonel, it is just ridiculous. The most visible shooter blogger! In the recent past, an agent of the SBU, one of the tasks of which was to identify pro-Russian Crimeans through social networks, now it seems like “switched over to our side”. Came to Moscow. Even with his former curator, ask for money from patriotically oriented businessmen. Not allowed. I would like to look at the physiognomy of the numerous admirers of this “colonel” if they saw him in reality. That would be a laugh!

Is it possible to objectively restore various episodes of this war? Probably there are many witnesses, including the activities of Strelkova. For example, General Antyufeev, your former deputy.

Yes, Vladimir Yuryevich is here, in Moscow, is, and is not hiding. I periodically see him. And he is not so “secret” to be completely inaccessible. If necessary, I think, will answer many questions, just does not like Internet chatter. What can you do, such a person ... Here, in Moscow, there are actually a lot of Igor's friends. Unfortunately, mostly with the prefix "ex."

Once I published an excerpt from your interview that Strelok gave the order to leave Donetsk and withdraw to the territory of the Russian Federation, which canceled Antyufeev. And then Alexander Kots, in comments to this status, wrote something like this: “Alexander, how can you believe this Beard? Look, he has a glossy face. ”

Yes, what can I say? Argument serious. True, I never seriously followed my appearance and didn’t notice any “polishness” in myself, rather the opposite. The eyes are still sore and watery after the June poisoning with some kind of gas in the RSA — the enemy agents sprayed repeatedly. Is this a “glossy”? But Kotsu, of course, know better. However, a boring topic ... And then I can get to the "joints" ...

As for the credibility of my words, I don’t demand it. Especially from the "shooters". There is Antyufeev, who has documentary evidence in his hands of an attempt to surrender Strelkov Donetsk. There is Bezler, who, in his words, keeps a copy of the Strelkovo order for the surrender of Gorlovka (he was sabotaged by Bes). There is Gloomy, he is General Petrovsky, so it’s seemingly “Rifleman”, but he also recalled just now how Igor gave him the order to go along with the special forces to Snezhnoye, which had to be held until the main forces of the led by the Minister of Defense of the DPR troops. Gloomy, too, did not appreciate the greatness of the plan and refused to carry out the order ... And there is still Zakharchenko, Khodakovsky, Konanov1 ... All these people then represented the "military elite" of the DPR. So why adherents Strelkov, if they are so confident in its infallibility, do not ask each of them a direct question: "Was the attempt of surrender, or not?" Then it will become clear who can be trusted and who cannot.

You never asked yourself the question, why this attitude to you? After all, you have a big patriotic background - more than 20 years of patriotic activity, starting with the defense of the White House in 1993, Chechnya. Why is it that you are so "hostile to the rifle intelligentsia" as hostile to you as the fiend of hell?


I do not quite understand what the "Strelkovskaya intelligentsia" is? And why is she considered synonymous with “patriotic”? Those people with whom I communicate for many years, and who are Russian patriots, certainly didn’t treat me worse, except for Strelkov himself. Seriously, the majority of the SSS - “Sects of Strelkov's Witnesses” are patriotic neophytes. People who remembered about the Motherland recently. The majority, it seems, are exalted ladies of post-Balzac age, with not very high level of education. There are, of course, many ordinary decent people. Simply, they uncritically accepted the "myth of Strelkov". The myth, to the creation of which I myself put a lot of effort. This "uncritical" consciousness is largely due to the fact that people have long yearned for real heroes. And those who take away their "favorite toy" - in particular, people, naturally, dislike it. However, I, unlike Igor, are really not a politician. And to me, the popularity among the masses of “ZhZhistov” and “facebookies”, to put it mildly, is not too important. I will not lie that it is pleasant for me to observe the streams of outright slander and insults that fall out in my address and not only in my Igor Ivanovich and his paid and free supporters, but “the dog barks and the caravan moves on.” There, in Donetsk, there are still quite a few people who believe in me and who always wait for me. And in Russia there are a lot of them. Every day I communicate with someone from the former "my" fighters and commanders. I feel their support - February 23 phone almost exploded. This is important to me.


Photos from the personal archive of Alexander Borodaya


I remember talking to Strelkov on the phone and asked him if he would refute Borodai’s statement that Strelkov was going to surrender Donetsk to the Ukrainians. He replied no.

This is because he has nothing to refute.

You were not in Donetsk then, you were in Moscow. The order to leave Donetsk was canceled, as you said, by Antyufeev. Could you tell us more about this?


In order to understand “as it was” one must begin from the moment Igor came to Slavyansk. At that time, he “at the same time” cleared not only Slavyansk itself from our presence, but also a large part of the territory of the DPR, many large settlements: Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka, Konstantinovka, Artyomovsk. With a large population. In some cases, with convenient positions for defense. He has already appeared in Donetsk in a somewhat, let's say, depressed state. He believed in the possibility of victory, believing that "Russia has betrayed us." I immediately want to say that I cannot criticize him for this first digression. Just do not have the right. I was not in Slavyansk when he made the decision to surrender the city, and I did not see what was happening there. He commanded there as best he could, apart from all the others. On it a heavy burden of responsibility lay. And this decision is his right. Moreover, Igor spent many hours in order to convince me that this retreat was inevitable and legitimate. Then I agreed with him, and I will not change my point of view depending on the circumstances.

And what did he say?


Many things. He is now repeating all the same arguments. Therefore, I see no reason to discuss them endlessly. True, after Strelkov's “exit” from the territory of the DPR, he and his supporters had another new one, today the “main one” - he turns out to have passed Slavyansk in order to come running to Donetsk and save him from the surrender, which we allegedly planned. This is an outright lie, an attempt to reconstruct recent history, in order to whitewash itself. Then, of course, he had no such “fears”. By the way, at the exit from Slavyansk, he initially was not going to Donetsk. Planned to stay in Gorlovka. But it did not work out. "Bes" was not enough hospitable. But then other things began to happen. In particular, it was Igor who passed Karlovka. This is a very important point. Karlovka is the “western gate” to Donetsk. While Strelkova was not, Karlovka held out. And great. She was defended by various units acting in coordination. First of all, there were fighters from the "East" and from the "Demon". There were divisions of the "stronghold", if I am not mistaken, and the miners from "Kalmius" then joined.

But he told me in an interview that when he came to Donetsk, everything was relaxed there, no one fought.


By the time he entered the city, the fighting in Donetsk itself was already over. So it is, excuse me, our merit, and not our fault. Initially, there were two serious enemy bases in the city itself, which by this point had been taken by assault. These were the base at Shchors and the base at Bosse. The capture of the second was a particularly noticeable event, because, to our great regret, the enemy had managed to blow up the arsenal there. And this arsenal rushed for more than a day. The whole city heard it.
The base at Shchors was taken by the "Ataman Ivanych" and the fighters of the just-emerging "Kalmius" and, above all - by the "Jeweler" group - after an eight-hour battle. For us, this fight was successful because we managed to take more than 400 units of small weapons, three armored vehicles, grenade launchers and something else. For us, this was a tremendous step forward. In the area of ​​the airport, too, were fighting. Successfully acted together "Oplot" and "East". By the time Strelkov appeared, the airport was completely blocked by us. And the city was already well prepared for defense. Most of all for this, I must say, did Alexander Khodakovsky. It was just he, Zakharchenko and I who knew the plan completely. Since Donetsk remains at the moment a front-line city, I cannot talk about it. He, unfortunately, still may be relevant. However, I do not detract from the merits in this regard of such an unambiguous character of the Donetsk history as Vadim “Kerch”, who together with my assistant built fortifications on the outskirts of Donetsk - the very “Kerch”, in whose name “Strelkovskie propagandists” brazenly “covered "Another nonsense about me, although in fact he did not say anything like that.

At the same time, we did everything possible to ensure that the city lived at least a relatively normal life.

If Donetsk then did not fight, where were the fights?


They were relatively distant from Donetsk. Fighting near Dmitrovka, Marinovka, near Snezhniy, around Saur-Mogila, near Karlovka. So fights went. So by the time Igor appeared in Donetsk, Donetsk had been completely stripped of the enemy. And there was no enemy close to the outskirts of Donetsk. The fighting went on far approaches. It should be noted here for the sake of justice that our military situation, of course, was helped by the fact that considerable enemy forces were concentrated around Slavyansk. But when Strelkov came to Donetsk, the enemy followed him. And rather quickly the situation became critical.

So how did he pass Karlovka?

Yes, allegedly because of the threat of encirclement. That's when he left Karlovka, the enemy managed to break into Avdiivka and Peski and occupy the dominant heights, unlock the airport and start firing at Donetsk. Not only on the outskirts, but also in the center. And when Ukrainians from the Avdeevka area are beating the city center, this is partly a “merit” of the famous colonel Strelkov.

How was the decision to leave Karlovka made?

When Igor wanted to carry out this decision, nobody liked it. All the commanders agreed that Karlovka must continue to defend. By the way, then Khodakovsky’s dislike of Strelkov was born then as a person who is not quite adequate to the situation. At the council of commanders, it was decided not to leave Karlovka. Shooters then was forced to accept this decision. More precisely to pretend to be resigned. After three days, he quietly took about subordinate units. And in the end he left everyone else without flank support, which forced the rest to retreat. That is, he put us before the fact.

And after that you, as the prime minister, undertook some sort of debriefing? Strelkov called to answer?


It was already meaningless, by this time I understood the state of the legendary “Minister of Defense” and it was more important for me that he didn’t “mess up” with something new ... I wanted to do without voiced scandals.

By the way, what condition was he in then?


It is unpleasant to remember this. It was different. Tantrums, screams of some sort, occasionally tears, bouts of depression. I somehow felt like a psychotherapist. Conducted daily "soothing" conversation. And he was angry because of this. Enough, to put it mildly, other activities. And then you need to understand the psychology of Igor. So, as I understand it, after almost two decades of communication. By the way, I'm the godfather of one of his children. Almost a relative. The fact is that he plays the role all his life. Inflexible white officer. Knight of the "Swan Camp". The poet Arseny Nesmelov he likes - now I remembered who stole my book. The problem is that whites, unfortunately, were beaten. Betrayed, vilified and ... beaten. They, unbroken, retreated. They went on ice trips from Rostov or across Siberia, like the army of Kappel. Therefore, consciously or subconsciously, “a heroic retreat with unfolded banners” is the main general stereotype of Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin. He was ready to try on the role of Kornilov, Drozdovskiy, etc.

Say that he had tantrums. But he broke down?


He had no animal fear. He simply thought that he had done too much to die. All his life he wanted fame. Military honors, laurels. In vain, perhaps, he was so angry with his office, which, before the events, fired him "without the right to wear a uniform." And when he came to Donetsk, he already earned his fame. But he wanted to “touch the laurels” with his hands. And he had very exaggerated ideas about how he would be met in Russia. I know his dreams and hopes. They looked like this then: “The Kremlin. St. George's Hall. Skidding is Igor in his black new general's uniform. The president approaches him. Presents the star of the Hero of Russia. Then he hugs and, dropping a mean male tear, whispers: "Thank you, son." Then he turns to his suite and says: “Now I know who I can leave Russia for.” Retinue gasps, terrified and jealous ... ". Something like this. Well, it did not come true ... Well, why try to avenge for unfulfilled fantasies? Well it hurts the cause. The one for which he risked, for which people died ...

Drank?


Not. For all the time we drank two bottles of brandy with him. One more in April, when I briefly broke into Slavyansk. And the second - in the evening on the day of our meeting in Donetsk. And that helped us.

And then what after putting them Karlovka was?


Then there was the attempt of an offensive operation. I mean Stepanovka-Marinovka. I then specifically went with him to see how he led the troops directly.

And how to manage?


I don’t really want to comment. It is somehow inconvenient to evaluate other people's leadership talents. And then: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside." But, since I didn’t see it from the side, I’ll say a little. Hang out somehow very far from battle formations. The battalion commanders were left to their own devices. Well, we ran around Stepanovka from the enemy aviation. They took out several wounded soldiers in their cars. That’s all. Now I regret that I did not go with Sasha Zakharchenko for a distracting blow. Everything was “more fun" there. Then, by the way, the current leader of the DPR got his first wound in this war. However, it was necessary, of course, to go with Igor. Refresh impressions, so to speak. I participated in one of “his operations” during the second Chechen war. Then he commanded a small group. The plan was developed normally, and then practically did not lead anything, although he proved himself as an ordinary fighter. The operation was successful, although not the first time, but it was pure luck. In a word, he can plan an operation. As an ordinary fighter he used to be quite good (in this war he didn’t see it). He cannot command the battlefield. It goes into itself. However, this is my purely personal point of view. And I do not pretend to be right in this matter.

But this is a question for you. How could such a person, who had no experience in command of army units, be appointed Minister of the NPT?


There were no other options. The Secretary of Defense is not a purely military figure. It is also an ideological value.

But Strelkov himself, in an interview with Prokhanov, said that when he came to Slavyansk, there was already a detachment in 100-150 people. Katya Gubareva told me that she was the detachment of Strelkova who set up the camp in Slavyansk, because it was the most active small town in the Donetsk region.

Yes, people were waiting. I can’t say anything about Gubareva. I just do not know. At the end of March, Igor and I were sitting at the Rostov airport. There came to us all sorts of walkers from the Donbass. They told us: give us, above all, commanders. There were no other commanders then.

Shooters in an interview with Prokhanov said that he had a telephone conversation with someone who gave him a strict order not to retreat from the city before the retreat from Slavyansk. He was promised assistance in releasing Slavyansk. But to his question, when this help will come, nothing concrete could be answered to him. And then he decided to retreat. Why, in this case, if the Strelkov retreated from Slavyansk without an order, would not the organizational conclusions follow?

As you understand, Igor was not talking to me.

Tell me, honestly. If the Shooter had not left Slavyansk, would they unblock it?


Very likely. But the history of the subjunctive moods does not know. I will say one thing: no one considered him as a sacred victim. If they were considering, he would not be sitting in Moscow now.

Yes, but he said that the grenade launchers did not shoot, they were defective, there were almost no mortar shells left. As soon as he gets one tank, the Ukrainians have four. There was nothing to fight off.

It's true. But everyone had the same problems, not just Strelkov. But even in almost complete surroundings, only he fought.

Can you remember the moment when you learned that the Shooter left Slavyansk and Kramatorsk?


I was in Moscow once again. I had such a function that I had to go there every three to four weeks. They call from Donetsk: they say, the army of “barbarians” appeared with him, come back soon. I came to Donetsk a day or two later, when he appeared there. During this time, he managed to take a step that he is now extremely proud of - the overthrow of Donetsk Mayor Alexander Lukyanchenko.

Took power?


This is generally a complete idiocy. There was a mayor of Donetsk Lukyanchenko. Nobody interfered with anything. Local people very well responded to him, even the most "fierce deenera". By the way, he is not “Akhmetovsky”. They say he periodically quarreled with Akhmetov. And when they put pressure on him, he immediately said: I will resign. And they all persuaded him not to leave. I myself spoke with Lukyanchenko several times, and he did not express any complaints about the DPR. And did not require anything. Once I asked to relocate the roadblock near the Putilov bridge to 100 meters in either direction, so as not to interfere with public transport. Just a good business executive, who sincerely loved his city. Until the war really got to Donetsk, he was a very well-kept city. Kiev, while there was the legitimate mayor of Lukyanchenko and the illusion of dual power, remained, gave him wages to state employees. It suited me because the city lived at least some life. I didn’t have any money for salaries. What was touching him?

Why then did Shooters take it off?


Shooters called him and said: swear DNI! Lukyanchenko immediately realized that if he swore the DPR, he would immediately become a “criminal” and a “terrorist” - and he would have no money in his city treasury. He says Strelkov: I do not want. Igorek replied to him: then I will shoot the next day. It's funny that he demanded the DNI oath, although neither he nor his team brought any oath of the DNI. That's when Lukyanchenko took the legs in his hands and combs to Kiev. As a result, the next day I come and say to him: “Are you a fool, Igor? Why did you do all this? Well, what have you achieved? ”. He: "But this is Kiev mayor." I: "What is he Kiev? He is a local horseradish who sat here. He somehow provided the city normally. Will you manage it yourself? Come on, go ahead. You are the mayor now. ” He: "No, I'm not the mayor." I: “Oh, you are no longer the mayor? How to destroy everything, so you are our commander in chief, and it is unclear from what reason you are not in your competence. And how to answer for the consequences of your foolish decisions, you say that you are not the mayor. ” He: "Well, I will find the mayor." In the end, he brought a young guy - Pasha "Mad." Says: "Here, he will." I was acquainted with Pasha before that, he drove the columns and seemed to be doing quite well. I ask: “Pash, well, will you be the mayor? You will have such, such and such functions. ” Pasha, after listening, all this says: “Oh, damn it, I will not be the mayor. Do not, do not pull. Then I to Strelkov: “Something your mayor mayor does not want to be. It's amazing why? ”The shooters answered me:“ Well, then I don’t know. ” About ordinary people who lived in Donetsk, our Igorku's head did not hurt at all. He apparently believed that they do not exist. And I understood that they exist, and the existence of the Donetsk People's Republic depends on their existence. How did it all end? That and. about. Mayor of Donetsk became a man of Akhmetov.

And how did the Arrow come to mind to order the evacuation from Donetsk? Was he already surrounded?


The fact is that the whole territory of the DPR was in the operational environment. "Holes" on the territory of Russia remained only in the LC. And they had to get to them, as Zakharchenko used to say, by “thieves roads”. I felt it myself. Itself more than once slipped back and forth. Sometimes well, and another - not very.

So how was the evacuation order given?


Yes, just like any other. Only about him, of course, quickly learned Antufeev. He rushed to Igor and forced him to cancel this order. To which he had all the powers, as at that time he served as the head of the republic and, accordingly, the commander in chief. The fact is that when I left the territory of the republic, I signed a decree according to which all my powers for the time of absence are transferred to my first deputy, Vladimir Antyufeev. An open secret was that Igor, our Ivanovich, although he called himself the commander-in-chief, was in fact not one. He was Minister of Defense with a very wide range of powers. But the commander in chief in any country, even in a state such as the DPR, is at least its supreme leader.

And Igor Ivanovich?


But Igor got into trouble: everything was supposedly tryndets. We must go, otherwise they will crush us all now. But there is nothing to do - the order was withdrawn. Igorek knows who Vladimir Yuryevich is. And they already had experience of negative communication.

With whom, with Antyufeev?

Of course. Still in the Crimea.

And what was it?


He had something to do with the fact that Colonel Strelkov left Crimea “humiliated and insulted”. Igorek, at the end of that short epic, managed to pretty much "mess up" and even expected his arrest by Russian law enforcement agencies. But Sergey Aksenov stood up for him then.

Once again, I still can not understand, so if he is so "inadequate", then why should he have been taken to the Donbass? After all, he later "nakosyachil" and in Slavyansk, and almost was "nakosyachil" in Donetsk.

Where, then, did we have intelligent, brave, heroic commanders? Sat on the ass. Medals for joining the Crimea tried on. Strelkov did not hesitate and did not demand guarantees. He himself rushed into battle. And he's not a coward and not a fool. And his experience is serious. And charisma is enough. All this is a fact. He just broke loose at some point. And it is not so much his fault, how much trouble. Also, understand that Igor, like all of us, initially counted on a sprint race. Remember the song Vysotsky about how the sprinter was forced to run a long distance? But with Igor this happened, He “dashed off by ten thousand, as if by five hundred, and got caked.” When I became the prime minister of the DPR, I also thought: well, how long will this premiership last: five days, a week, or two whole weeks?

Why was it decided to remove the Arrow from the post of Minister of Defense? What was the reason for this: the fact that he was not loved by other commanders? So that he had a Russian passport, not a Ukrainian one?


There was a whole range of reasons. And do not oppose them to each other. Of course, from the point of view of the international community, the leadership of the Republic looked quite defiant: Prime Minister Borodai was a Muscovite, his first deputy, although a native of Riga, but also a Muscovite, and the most famous figure in the government, Igor Strelkov, is a Muscovite. Of course, when the contours of the negotiation process began to emerge, this situation became intolerable. Weakening the "morale" of Colonel Strelkov, let's say politely, also played a role. His political tricks and attempts to usurp power in the republic, bright speeches before the press, his presence in all forums. And in general, at the end of his stay, he was already a nominal figure who had lost real control levers. His orders were not executed, and he knew nothing about it. Worked alternative headquarters, which corrected them. Even parts of his “personal” Slavic brigade often walked in a completely different direction to which he sent them. Many Donetsk formations, such as “Oplot” and “Vostok”, in principle, did not obey Strelkov. Khodakovsky was not at all at one of his headquarters meetings — he came to me, and I specially sent Oplot at a government meeting to Strelkov for operational submission. But only in the operational. And the supply of the "stronghold" and "East" was also separate, which is very enraged by the minister.

And why is he offended by you?


There are several specific reasons. I’m sorry for some, I’ll keep silence, otherwise I’ll be completely postmodern. Well, in particular, because of the arrest of his fellow Vicki-Wiki. More precisely, due to the fact that he himself was not able to free her and at the same time terribly disgraced, entering into a public conflict with the same Antufeyev. And later I did not release Viku-Viku, although I had such an opportunity. So he already told me in Rostov: “I will never forgive you for this, I will take revenge.” Well, that's revenge. It is clear that the problem was not this aunt, but in the torn authority of the “legendary commander”. But in general, the casket just opens. Igor has fiercely competed with me for many years. And, frankly, in this competition did not win. I tried not to pay attention to it. Well, in the DPR, he was counting on a rematch. Well this is war! And in the war - he is more important. But fate, once again turned back to him. Again, despite all his glory, I was formally more important. He is the Minister of Defense, and I am the head of the republic. This was a heavy blow to the exaggerated self-love of "Colonel Strelkov." I really tried to calm him down there. I almost did not apologize for becoming prime minister.

After all, really not on purpose ...

And what's the story with Vicky Wiki, what was she accused of?


He knew about her frauds, and put the documents on his desk in the same pack. But Strelkov is very fond of flattery. And Vika-Vika constantly uttered fantastic monologues, such as: “Igor Ivanovich! You know, I do not believe anyone. All bastards. Everything! I do not believe myself, but I believe, Igor Ivanovich, only you! Only in you I see my hope. Russia for you! I'm ready to die for you! ”After these howls, Igor, who half an hour ago was going to arrest Vika-Vika, began to“ swim ”and gave this lady new powers and promotions. At the same time Strelkov himself never stole anything. In this I am absolutely sure. He is all just not interested. He plays other games. But for some reason he treats someone else's theft very easily. Like, everyone steals - and these are no better, no worse ...

And for what, by the way, Strelkov arrested the "people's mayor" of Slavyansk Vyacheslav Ponomarev?


I do not know. Arrows sent me a guy with a note: this name is now the mayor of Slavyansk, and the old I keep in the basement. Comical very note. I even saved it for history.

Tell us, how did this famous pseudonym "Strelkov" and the middle name "Ivanovich" appear?

Well, you understand that Igor Ivanovich never wanted to be "Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin"?

Because Girkin is a "Jewish surname"?

Well, of course. "Suspicious" at least. How do you want it? With such an exterior it is difficult to be a “native drozdovets”. Therefore, in a common company, Igor has always been a target for jokes. Good-natured, of course. But, the "Colonel Strelkov" does not understand and dislikes the jokes about himself.

Did he become a "Strelkom" in the Donbas or even earlier?

In Chechnya. In conclusion of our, in my opinion, too protracted conversation about Igor Girkin-Strelkov, I want to say the following: I really feel sorry for him. He managed with his teeth to wrest from his story his chance to become a national hero. But, despite the experience of the re-enactor, he could not stand up to the end of the role assigned to him. Worthy to leave could not. And now it is rapidly turning into the male version of the late Valeria Novodvorskaya. He has been sitting in Moscow for more than half a year and is screaming, heart-rending, like a tern. He pours dirt on all his associates, except for the personal environment. And if he “watered” only us - “retirees of the DPR”: me, Antyufeev, Bezler, Gloomy (he also got “nuts”) and others. Ugly, of course, but history will judge us. But he "exposes" those who are now strengthening the republic and fighting for it: Zakharchenko, Kononova, Purgina. Zakharchenko, won, was wounded for the second time for this war. Igor for his entire military career - never (Novgorod sit-rounds on a German mine - obviously does not count).

He even “exposed” the organization of a referendum in the Crimea, although he had nothing to do with it. It contradicts reality - for half a year it has been screaming about the “surrender of Novorossia”, although the republics continue to hold and strengthen. He is trying to destabilize the situation, fueling internal destructive forces (the mythical authorities of Novorossia) in them and promising "to return and hang all the traitors." He harshly criticizes military construction in the republics, and in the meantime, their armed forces are closing the Debaltsevsky boiler. Igorek from Moscow is unhappy - they are “badly” winning back the territories that he so “beautifully” passed in his time. Of course, in this stream of lies and absurdities, he, above all, drowns himself. But we have to state a fact - Igor Strelkov has long been fighting in the information war on the side of the enemy. He does it involuntarily, guided by his own, strictly personal, motives. But it makes little difference.

One more fact needs to be ascertained. Igor has managed to do something over the past few months. He did become a political figure of the federal scale. They want to notice this in the Kremlin and on the Old Square or they don’t want to. Another thing is that he is not only an opposition politician, but an extremely destructive one. His calculation is simple: there is a crisis in the country, power will not last long, and in the inevitable civil war Igor Girkin-Strelkov will head part of the “patriotic forces” and become the dictator of what remains of Russia. Personally, I think that the chances of implementing this simple program are quite minimal. But, unfortunately, they, nevertheless, are. I think some readers will wonder - is it really that bad? Is bad. If only because, first, the realization of Igor Strelkov as a full-fledged political leader is possible only through a bloody civil war. And secondly, the dictator from Igor will be of very low quality.
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  1. +21
    4 March 2015 05: 04
    Strelkov has really said a lot lately that everything has disappeared, chief ...
    1. +62
      4 March 2015 05: 55
      history will judge us.


      Subsequently, the analysis of history will put everything in its place. We will not draw hasty conclusions, often based solely on emotions. Most of us are fueled by the information that the primary sources on the network will present to us. After all, we have already reviewed a lot of things compared to what we were taught at school ... and how many interesting things are ahead of us .., and to admit is not always pleasant.
      1. +21
        4 March 2015 06: 38
        Yeah, I don’t really like these babskie squabbles
        To be honest, with all my dislike for Boroday, for his frankly sometimes fascist statements against Muslims of Russia (though he changed his rhetoric a bit after the event in Donetsk), he says I don’t like how Strelkov recently behaves like a man but water their former friends and live.
        1. +46
          4 March 2015 09: 31
          Whatever they were talking about Strelkov, and he came to the Slavyans with the guys, got up there and stood. So far, at this time, the rest were scratching their tongues.
          They stood in Slavyansk to the last, jumped out of an almost already formed boiler at the last moment.
          At that time, all the trepachki (including today) shared all power, and positions. And when Strelkov came to Donetsk and ran into this shit, he most likely decided to leave. Only in the open he will never say.
          1. +24
            4 March 2015 10: 08
            The condition for the supply of the military trade was his departure from all posts of the DPR. Set before a choice. He made it, it is possible to fight with the PTRD against the city, but not for long.
            1. +1
              4 March 2015 19: 20
              Quote: WooDoo
              The condition for the supply of the military trade was his departure from all posts of the DPR. Set before a choice. He made it, it is possible to fight with the PTRD against the city, but not for long.


              These are only his words and no more. No one except him spoke of this. Normal lies. After the order to surrender Gorlovka his authority disappeared and he had to go.
              1. +4
                4 March 2015 23: 25
                Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev

                These are only his words and no more.

                Come to Slavyansk with a platoon. And leave with 3000 fighters (volunteers), who became the basis of the BCH. Well, yes, you still need to provide a certificate from the registry office.

                Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
                After the order to surrender Gorlovka his authority disappeared and he had to go.

                Participants in the events say the opposite. And the fact that he is not allowed to return to the front indirectly confirms that everything is completely different from the way you are trying to voice.
                1. 0
                  5 March 2015 11: 04
                  Quote: WooDoo
                  Come to Slavyansk with a platoon. And leave with 3000 fighters (volunteers), who became the basis of the BCH. Well, yes, you still need to provide a certificate from the registry office.

                  And here it is? People are not Strelkova went to defend correctly. Maybe you think that if there were other people in his place, people would not come?
                  Quote: WooDoo
                  Participants in the events say the opposite. And the fact that he is not allowed to return to the front indirectly confirms that everything is completely different from the way you are trying to voice.

                  Who is talking? Strelkov himself says that he ordered to surrender Gorlovka, here is a link to his interview
                  http://www.rusdialog.ru/news/9766_1416499937

                  Who does not give him? The military commissariats work, let them come and sign up for the fighters. He can take the media with him, so that the docks would not accept. Only now he won’t go, just bragging again no more.
          2. +22
            4 March 2015 10: 48
            If you want to know what a friend really thinks about you, quarrel with him. And then you will find out what kind of friend he is to you. I saw the performance of this Beard in May 14th, when his journalists asked how to stop the shelling of Slavyansk. To which Boroday answered with a malicious smirk, they said it was unclear why Strelkov sat there, what he forgot there. As soon as he leaves there, they will stop bombing. Something I do not recall a single attempt to unlock Slavyansk from the south. There was no successful or unsuccessful attempt.
            1. 0
              4 March 2015 19: 23
              Quote: Mahmut
              tanut. Something I do not recall a single attempt to unlock Slavyansk from the south.


              Did Borodai condemn Strelka for leaving Slavyansk? Where did you read that. You lie about the interview, you just took the phrase out of context. I am for the truth.
          3. xan
            +19
            4 March 2015 11: 22
            Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
            At that time, all the trepachki (including today) shared all power, and positions. And when Strelkov came to Donetsk and ran into this shit, he most likely decided to leave.

            Strelkova left because he is not a citizen of dill, and this is not beneficial to the Kremlin.
            Shooters legend, his merits at the beginning of the war in the Donbass is difficult to overestimate. If it weren’t for Strelkov’s brotherhood, not Strelkov’s personal authority among the militias, they would have donated Donbass like Kharkov, and the Kremlin seemed to me to be the second number to work - you should be a nerd to not use Strelkov’s war in the interests of Russia. His access to Donetsk was a masterpiece in general, he destroyed all the cards for dealers - it immediately became clear that Donetsk could not be handed over or handed over.
            I read somewhere that Strelkov’s activity is very interesting for Western intelligence agencies.
            1. +18
              4 March 2015 12: 00
              So far, one thing is clear - this public srach is not for the benefit of the common cause!
              1. +1
                4 March 2015 16: 16
                Divide and rule - there has always been, is and will be the method of Satan .....
              2. -10
                4 March 2015 19: 24
                Quote: Efficiency
                So far, one thing is clear - this public srach is not for the benefit of the common cause!


                It is difficult to convince the sectarians Strelka that you need to be silent.

                Did the thing, go boldly. Silence is gold
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            3. +12
              4 March 2015 12: 40
              ... about Strelkov, you can talk for a long time ... but I want to say one thing, I believe him ... he came and did (bad, good, good, but did), and all these "critics" disagree and the suspected "whistleblowers" are now trying to increase their political weight on it ...
              ... I would like to draw attention to the fact that Strelkov is not a politician, unlike Starikov, for example ... and therefore speaks the truth, regardless of whether it is beneficial for the "official Russian opinion" or not ...
              ... don’t go to the person, he simply doesn’t know how to lie ... even if this truth plays against him
              PS. ... well, that's it ... my opinion
              1. +2
                4 March 2015 13: 50
                You are right ---- only the Lord God is not mistaken !!!! Anyone can screw up, and with regards to enmity ---- guys, no one has canceled the struggle for power anywhere !!!!
              2. +7
                4 March 2015 18: 07
                do not go to the person, he simply does not know how to lie ... even if this truth plays against him

                There is a song among the Cossacks "Cossack's Prayer" or "A Cossack stood on the mountain" .....

                On the mountain stood a Cossack - he prayed to God.
                For freedom, for love bowed low.

                Oh, you, oh, don't be afraid of me.
                I won’t touch you - don’t worry.
                Oh, you, oh, don't be afraid of me.
                I won’t touch you - don’t worry.

                And he asked the Cossack of truth for the people
                There will be truth on Earth - there will be freedom.

                Let it be so. Strelkov, telling the truth, puts all power in an uncomfortable position. A hypocritical policy only exacerbates the situation. Let them move. In April-May 2014, nothing was heard except gas. As if people did not exist. There was no Slavyansk, which was bombed.
                hi
                1. 0
                  4 March 2015 19: 29
                  Quote: I-Russian
                  Shooters telling the truth


                  Is that your faith? Why is the shooter telling the truth, but Zakharchenko, for example, is not? Explain what your faith is based on.
                  1. +8
                    4 March 2015 21: 37
                    Quote: Rusich not from Kiev


                    Is that your faith? Why is the shooter telling the truth, but Zakharchenko, for example, is not? Explain what your faith is based on.


                    My faith in God ... in the Slavs ... in the Russians ... in people who give their lives for the truth, for their homeland, including Russia, whoever says the opposite. Politicians have a wild fear of an awakening Russian spirit. Even TV does not help.

                    Strelkov is not a politician, though he is an officer. Yes, it’s not that busy, not his, humanitarian work.
                    Zakharchenko - only the tip of the iceberg, there is still Khodakovsky, Pushilin, bearded.

                    Russians have this expression:
                    It is necessary to judge by deeds, not by words.
                    1. +1
                      5 March 2015 10: 44
                      Quote: I-Russian
                      Zakharchenko - only the tip of the iceberg, there is still Khodakovsky, Pushilin, bearded.

                      Russians have this expression:
                      It is necessary to judge by deeds, not by words.


                      Do you refuse to Beard, Pushilin, Zakharchenko, Khodokovsky to be Russian? Are you a sectarian by any chance?

                      I will repeat on what basis you consider Strelkov’s words to be true and deny this to other people who also fought, were at the source of resistance.

                      Yes, you have to judge by business. Strelkov ordered to surrender Gorlovka and prepare for the surrender (evacuation) of Donetsk, these are his words. Who after this was a hero or soldier who could not fulfill his duty with honor to the end.
                      Here is a link to his words. By the way, this interview coincides.
                      http://www.rusdialog.ru/news/9766_1416499937
                      1. +3
                        6 March 2015 20: 17
                        Rusich is not from Kiev
                        Are you a sectarian by any chance?

                        If you are signed as Rusich, do you know what it means and who such Rusichs are? If you know, then why such a question?
                        Do you refuse to Beard, Pushilin, Zakharchenko, Khodokovsky to be Russian?

                        I will not even engage in polemics with you. In the public domain there is a sea of ​​information.
                      2. 0
                        7 March 2015 18: 07
                        Quote: I-Russian
                        Rusich is not from Kiev
                        Are you a sectarian by any chance?
                        If you are signed as Rusich, do you know what it means and who such Rusichs are? If you know, then why such a question?
                        Do you refuse to Beard, Pushilin, Zakharchenko, Khodokovsky to be Russian?
                        I will not even engage in polemics with you. In the public domain there is a sea of ​​information.

                        As expected on a direct question, there was no answer. I have to look for something and guess what t wanted to tell me.
                        Oh well
              3. -5
                4 March 2015 19: 27
                Quote: Oleg NSK
                I would like to draw attention to the fact that Strelkov is not a politician


                How is he not a politician if he is engaged in politics? You are not friends at all with the head))

                There is such a rule - do not believe the words, but believe the deeds. Strelkov surrendered almost everything where he fought. His merit is only that he sat in Slavyansk for two months and that very powerful cover of the Kremlin was in the form of 40 .000 of our military on the border.
                1. +7
                  4 March 2015 22: 29
                  Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
                  There is such a rule - do not believe the words, but believe the deeds.

                  The raid of the riflemen in Slavyansk - CASE. The distraction of the main forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces in Slavyansk made it possible for Borodya to now speak these WORDS. If it were not for the STRELKOV CASE, perhaps there would have been no DNI or LC at all.
                  Strelkov surrendered almost everything where he fought. His merit is only that he sat in Slavyansk for two months and that very powerful cover of the Kremlin was in the form of 40 .000 of our military on the border.

                  To grind with tongue about 40 of our troops as a cover (???), it's certainly not in Slavyansk two months "sitting" under shelling and almost surrounded.
                  1. -4
                    5 March 2015 10: 54
                    Quote: Normal
                    The raid of the riflemen in Slavyansk - CASE. The distraction of the main forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces in Slavyansk made it possible for Borodya to now speak these WORDS. If it were not for the STRELKOV CASE, perhaps there would have been no DNI or LC at all.

                    Reid is the case, but 150 militia people were waiting for him there, he didn’t come to the void. The APU didn’t have an army at that time. It’s necessary to face the truth, and not to compose myths. The first month of Slavyansk was blocked by the National Guard assembled in a hurry. Just look at what the APU did with Ilovaisk, when the army really fought and what happened to Slavyansk.
                    Perhaps it would not have been, but maybe there was no one would say that with 100%.
                    Quote: Normal
                    To grind with tongue about 40 of our troops as a cover (???), it's certainly not in Slavyansk two months "sitting" under shelling and almost surrounded.

                    About 40.000 I lied? Hmm .. that's the number. Yes, as a cover, which is why Slavyansk was not taken by storm in the first month. They even fired artillery blanks, not real shells. Or do you think that Strelkov alone instilled fear in Ukrainians and they were afraid of him so that they did not go on an assault or bomb a city like Ilovaisk for example to their four mothers?
            4. +8
              4 March 2015 12: 40
              Strelkov-Che Guevara of our time. Somewhere, maybe he is mistaken, but a true hero and Patriot of the Russian world!
          4. -3
            4 March 2015 19: 18
            Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
            And when Strelkov came to Donetsk and ran into this shit, he most likely decided to leave.


            This is where the wise guy comes from. He shouts in all the media that Surkov has left him. He wanted to surrender the Donbass, but Kononov sent him in Shakhtyorsk when he came to defend the defense, and the militia could defend this city and thereby save the whole thing.
            1. +6
              4 March 2015 22: 32
              Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
              He dreamed of surrendering the Donbass,

              And for this he rushed from the Crimea to Slavyansk, where he “handed over” Donbass for two months. Yeah.
              1. -3
                5 March 2015 10: 58
                Quote: Normal
                And for this he rushed from the Crimea to Slavyansk, where he "handed over" Donbass for two months. Yeah

                Yes, then he wanted to be a hero and waited for the army of the Russian Federation, but she didn’t come and he handed over village after village, city after city, gave the order to surrender Gorlovka, but he was sent to one place.
                The shooter after, as he considers Putin’s betrayal, decided to dump or force Putin to intervene directly with the help of the DPR’s drain. I can see from all his actions when he arrived in Russia.
        2. -9
          4 March 2015 11: 26
          Starikov about Strelkov:
          1. +6
            4 March 2015 18: 40
            2 Andrey Skokovsky, do not show us prostitutes. Your Starikov often contradicts himself, depending on the situation, I have been following him for more than a year, and I read books too, there is something to compare.
          2. +4
            4 March 2015 21: 09
            The old men here fulfill the order in a frying pan.
            Instead of a preface, nun was straightforward to say: "Who is against the domestic film?" - ops = "Who is against the president's interpretation of Crimea?"
            2. Clear pepper, that Crimea was taken away by interested people who have strength and power, and who have unconditional support of the Russian Federation, no "popular masses" without weapons of money and inspiration would rock anywhere, for 23-year-olds were quietly sitting on their ass, and would sit still 23. The situation is exactly the same as in Kiev with the Maidan (in the same way, help and support from outside the influential state), the current is faster, tougher and faster.
            Another thing is that the success of the event and the promises for the future and the previous policy of Ukraine in Crimea ensured the unconditional support of the population for the referendum (and especially citizens who found the USSR at a non-infant age). And now very few Crimeans can reproach both Aksyon and the Russian Federation for such a step. And for the residents of the Russian Federation, this is generally a holiday of inspiration. So the Shooter between us speaks close to the truth, another thing is out of place - to the time, for along the way he betrays the ideals of both the Russian Federation and his comrades-in-arms and works for the enemy. These memoirs may have been interesting in 20-40 years. But not now, and the hike is overwhelmed by the resentment of being removed from the taxis. kicking off the mind (by the way, he must understand about the "Chatterbox-find for spies")
          3. +2
            4 March 2015 23: 15
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            Starikov about Strelkov:


            And who does Starikov work for?
            Here is an example of his vile demagogy:



            What does Starikov say?
            He says, if all the husk is discarded, that the war on the Russian border is profitable Russia.
            He says that the infinity of hostilities and the death of civilians in the Donbass - the guarantee that there will be no war of Ukraine and Russia.
            He says that Donbass should remain part of uRAina and do not care that there will be an end to all Russian, the main thing is that it will be possible to TALK about the FUTURE victory. Many years will be possible just say (and get all sorts of nishtyaki for it) future victory (carrot on a rope in front of the donkey's face)
            And the fact that there all this time there will be a war to Starikov does not give a damn, he after all put aside emotions.

            What does Starikov say in the video you posted?
            What Shooters in both cases in the same company with Obama and others. Even for the sake of clarity, the list was running out (a demagogic, propaganda device designed to discredit an opponent)
            But if you think about it, then Strelkov is right - there wouldn’t be any green men in the Crimea - there would be Donbass, and if Russian armored personnel carriers were in Donetsk, then Donbass would become the second Crimea. The old people cannot refute this, and therefore he is trying to smear Strelkov with alleged unanimity with Obama Turchinov and Germans.
            But Strelkov confirmed his opinion with deeds (the opposite of what Obama and Turchinov would like), and Starikov confirms his demagogy with sharks on the paper, which themselves are part of the same demagogy.
            1. -1
              5 March 2015 11: 12
              everything turned upside down. Just like in ukrSMI bully
        3. +7
          4 March 2015 12: 24
          The fact is that for a long time no one touched Strelkov, mentioning his merits. But he constantly lays down the country with his remarks. But he is not some kind of politician like Zhirinovsky or an outsider. His words in the West can come back to haunt with additional troubles, and here: how many supporters and admirers who are ready to believe and follow the "leader" without hesitation.

          I myself personally was on the side of Strelkov in the summer and was indignant at Kurginyan. But lately, paying attention to his "strange" reservations appearing here and there, I began to follow more closely and I am more and more inclined that this is by no means accidental, but a principled anti-Putin position. Perhaps this is an insult, and perhaps everything is more complicated. And I think he will show himself.

          The other day I was just watching the January "duel" of Strelkov and Starikov - there are not quotes and statements of other people about him, but he himself, who he is or how he wants to show himself ...
          I made a very slippery impression. At first he stated that he was forced to leave Slavyansk because he did not have enough strength, and then for the rest of the time he convinced that it was necessary to go to Kiev in the summer - there were enough forces (namely, 10 thousand people). All of Starikov’s counterarguments (who is not very strong as a duelist, nevertheless) were surprisingly self-confident and arrogant, making peremptory statements about how this will happen and it won't, as if he were a visionary or at least president . And he is not the president. And the Minsk agreements already today refute his position.
          I'm not talking about constant ambiguous reservations about the Crimea, Mariupol, the Russian army. In general, I give a link - judge for yourself if anyone is interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G04tXnvKx8Y
          1. +5
            4 March 2015 19: 12
            Quote: MichaelS
            I made a very slippery impression. At first he stated that he was forced to leave Slavyansk because he did not have enough strength, and then for the rest of the time he convinced that it was necessary to go to Kiev in the summer - there were enough forces (namely, 10 thousand people). All of Starikov’s counterarguments (who is not very strong as a duelist, nevertheless) were surprisingly self-confident and arrogant, making peremptory statements about how this will happen and it won't, as if he were a visionary or at least president . And he is not the president. And the Minsk agreements already today refute his position.
            I'm not talking about constant ambiguous reservations about the Crimea, Mariupol, the Russian army.

            1. Not only have you seen this video, but the conclusions are completely different. You didn’t even understand about Slavyansk, nor about August. Learn to draw parallels and not lie, there was no talk about Kiev.
            1. Speaking about the retreat from Slavyansk, in particular, the lack of arms and food supplies. All supply went through the beloved Borodai Khodokovsky, who kept all the best for himself (at the same time without fighting, two operations in which he simply substituted militias from Russia not counting), and expired ammunition went to the Slavs. I myself saw a video of how Motorola’s squad tried to shoot tanks with such missiles ... And then Motorola himself said that it’s good that they didn’t shoot from an ambush, everyone would have died there. That is why Khodokovsky was the first to escape from Donetsk, so that they would not be put to the wall for betrayal, but Boroday defends him and lies that he was present at the commanders' council. This means that Borodai is lying on other issues, including the presence of discipline and the army in Donetsk.
            2. August. At that moment, many new weapons were seized by Novorossiya, and an army was created that went through combat rallying. Novorosia reached the border with the Zaporizhzhya region, surrounded by Mariupol in which a lot of weapons were thrown and there was practically no right sector. And it was with these weapons that several thousand more people could be armed. Strelkov says that it was first necessary to take the port city of Mariupol (which is exactly so), and not to stop the army first. and then retreat almost without fighting, giving Kiev half of the liberated territories.
            and about Starikov, he constantly calls ALL THE ENVIRONMENT OF PUTIN traitors of Russia, and in this video he defends Surkov. Doesn't such duplicity seem strange?
            1. +1
              26 March 2015 01: 25
              All your conclusions collapse on one fact. How can a sane commander give an order to surrender Gorlovka and prepare for the surrender of Donetsk? And after that, the shooter talks about Mariupol) Isn’t it funny?
        4. angella
          -3
          4 March 2015 12: 56
          Yeah, if Igor Ivanovich allows himself to make statements on the accusatory network, then why can't Borodai clarify the situation from his position? But, in general, Igor Ivanovich made a lot of publicity in the network, starting from thanks for help, etc. For a long time I have been paying attention to Putin’s manner of speaking out. He does not get involved in disputes at the level of the debater, he rises above the situation (dispute) and gives his assessment of how he sees it - this is the highest level! This is amazing. And Boroday can come from the same position - I think that it will be great: you can’t offend your opponent either, and he’s at his best
      2. +11
        4 March 2015 11: 51
        The devil knows who to believe, they all blame each other, of course it’s unpleasant.
        However, it should be noted that Strelok is still rather unclear in terms of communicating with people, he always mutters something under his breath and speaks evasively, half-hints, so you will never understand what he meant.
        In fact, why sit in Moscow if all the movement is in the south?
        PS. I am sure, gentlemen and I, of course we don’t know much yet ...
      3. angella
        +2
        4 March 2015 14: 49
        agree. We only know what we are shown and told.
        Everything, in fact, must be criticized from the standpoint of one's own thinking and common sense. We have revised many of our positions and beliefs in a year - I agree. Time will judge, historians will write, let's see who to believe ... Do not forget that in Russia liberal capitalism, the national economy has been transferred to private ownership, therefore, perhaps, here are the interests of private owners of the former national economy, as it is now fashionable to say - "business" ... I believe that it is in Russia's interests to annex Russian lands to Russian territory up to the Polish border, because they were occupied by the Americans and Germans. Another thing is how all this will be implemented and in what part of the land. They won't just leave there - they invested a lot of money. apparently, it will be a question of compensation - 4 western regions ... Donbass has already, in fact, kept from the American occupation. Who is holding back: Strelkov, Borodai, Zakharchenko or local militias are already particulars, but the fact that there will be a redistribution of our lands, I think, is in our favor. Prancing, identified as a nation, conceived by American propaganda, Russians are also particulars, although the inverted aggressive thinking of the population is, first of all, grief for the population itself, and for the state it is a big problem (I do not mean the governors of the American regime in Kiev - this is not the leadership of the state).
        Therefore, disputes and mutual reproaches now are not the best during the war.
        Although, I think that I was the first to start giving press conferences with Strelkov and, as far as I remember, accuse the Russian leadership of inaction or wrong actions. Therefore, "persecution of Strelkov" is doubtful for me. Let's remember: There is a war, against the background of which Strelkov expresses his dissatisfaction with Russia, creates some kind of funds and his own public organizations. What for? Why even mention any actions and inaction of Russia? And what is this admiration for Strelkov of the White Guard movement after 1917? I would like to remind you: White generals saved the tsarist Russian Empire with private capital. So for whose money did they save capitalism? We still have to reassess Leninism, but then, after 1917, Ulyanov nationalized the land, factories and plants in favor of the state, and Stalin did not ratify the Bretton Woods monetary system and we had a state bank with state treasury notes (state money). Wall Street Bretton Woods has cracked because it is, in fact, the world's thimblers. There were crises in the United States and Western Europe. BUT! They did not touch the USSR and Eastern Europe (CMEA countries). In the USSR there was a state economy - this, as they say, whose money is in charge ... So the White Guard admiration for Strelkov is another big question: what to admire? Somehow I think so ...
        1. +1
          4 March 2015 19: 23
          Quote: angella
          I would like to remind: White generals saved the tsarist Russian Empire with private capital. So for whose money did they save capitalism? We still have to reevaluate Leninism, but then, after 1917, Ulyanov nationalized the land, factories and plants in favor of the state, and Stalin did not ratify the Bretton Woods currency system and we had a state bank with state treasury bills (state money).
          Well, Stalin is a different story. he was forced to RESTORE THAT DESTROYED Lenin with Trotsky. It was your beloved Lenin who destroyed the country, exported echelons of gold products to the United States, destroyed engineers and university professors, peasants who could work independently on the ground, plunged the country into chaos and ruin ... Continue?
          1. +2
            4 March 2015 22: 06
            and the church destroyed and killed the murderer of monks, priests, lay people simply for professing Orthodoxy
    2. +17
      4 March 2015 06: 32
      Time will put everything in its place.
      1. +24
        4 March 2015 06: 46
        Strelkov’s role is obvious - a volunteer opposition to the Russian government with a group of like-minded people appears in time at the bifurcation points of known events and turns them in the direction Russia needs. His further statements in his views are a continuation of his distance from the Russian authorities, a kind of cover. Bottom line: Russia has nothing to do with Ukraine’s internal affairs, there is nothing to convict Russia of evidence, it remains only to continue to crucify itself publicly with unfounded accusations.
        1. +28
          4 March 2015 07: 21
          Well, Varnaga, remember yours. I know everything! BMD 4 we don’t need, Boomerang is already riding. Purchasing Lynx (Iveco) is buzzing, warriors are not expected and all that. Cool yes it went. All of your comments for 2012 would have to put it and poke it.
      2. +5
        4 March 2015 10: 19
        Well gentlemen! Six months ago, you minus me and accused me almost of treason for the fact that I questioned the activities of "Strelkov", but then his "Hollywood" role was still visible, but oh well, time will really show !!! Not everything has been said yet and not all conclusions have been drawn, let's see, the confrontation continues !!! And PUTIN "has not yet leaked everything", as the shooter, Musin, "El Murid" and all this "pi ... dabratiya" like to shout! In general, what is all this for, and to the fact that you don't need to be rams from which they make a "herd", and then they drive them to the "Maidan", but you need to have brains in your head and think with them, and not shout: "Shooter, we are for you into fire and water, we will tear any, etc. for you "
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          1. -3
            4 March 2015 14: 19
            ANIMAL, did you even understand what you wrote ?!
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        2. xan
          +9
          4 March 2015 12: 18
          Quote: Enemy of s
          Six months ago, you minus me and accused me almost of treason for the fact that I questioned the activities of "Strelkov", and after all, then his "Hollywood" role was still visible

          Nifiga a movie, dill chtoli too played along?
          Personally, I am 100% sure, first there was Strelkov with his Slavic epic, and only then the Kremlin decided that Donbass should win.
          1. xan
            +5
            4 March 2015 14: 57
            Quote: xan
            Personally, I am 100% sure, first there was Strelkov with his Slavic epic, and only then the Kremlin decided that Donbass should win.

            I would give Strelkov the title of Hero of Russia, but he won’t get it, because what he did is beyond the scope of the hero. On his own initiative, clearly not fully aware of the consequences of his actions, he changed the political situation in favor of Russia, and this is no longer just a heroic act.
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      3. 0
        11 March 2015 09: 38
        Quote: sibi
        Time will put everything in its place.

        captain evidence ... that's just often in the wrong places time puts. And for such posts, with nothing insignificant common phrases, it is necessary to put a minus by definition
    3. Victor Dyukarev
      +21
      4 March 2015 06: 48
      And so we in Transnistria PR on our own head the former commander of the 14th Russian Army A. Lebed in 1992.
      1. +28
        4 March 2015 06: 50
        Quote: Victor Dyukarev
        And so we in Transnistria PR on our own head the former commander of the 14th Russian Army A. Lebed in 1992.

        On your own head, you started a warrior with your own people, and the Swan quickly finished it by pushing your clowns by snot.
        1. +8
          4 March 2015 09: 49
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Swan finished it quickly by pushing your clowns through the snot

          Tell us more in detail to whom this talker Swan gave a snot? Transnistria was defended by militias and volunteers, while the 14 army was hiding in the barracks.
          1. +15
            4 March 2015 12: 00
            Swan signed a separate peace in Chechnya with the militants, not beneficial to Russia and the Chechen people, but beneficial to the militants, after which the war resumed again. The militants, feeling the strength, went to Dagestan, but with the help of the Dagestan people and the army were stopped. So, Swan is not a patriot of Russia at all. He acted for the sake of his ambitions. He wanted to become president after Yeltsin, tried to show the people that he was a peacemaker. Yes
          2. 0
            5 March 2015 00: 11
            Quote: Prometey
            Tell us more in detail to whom this talker Swan gave a snot? Transnistria was defended by militias and volunteers, while the 14 army was hiding in the barracks.

            If it were not for "this chatterbox" Swan, I do not think that the militias and volunteers would have done it.




            It is possible (and necessary) to critically evaluate the personality of Lebed and his subsequent political actions, but his role in the cessation of the war in Transnistria is undeniable.
            1. 0
              11 March 2015 09: 44
              Quote: Normal
              If it were not for "this chatterbox" Swan, I do not think that the militias and volunteers would have done it.
              they not only "sucked" but also threw out the Romanians with the Moldovans from the territory of Transnistria, and then the swan remembered that the army was in his submission.
        2. avt
          +17
          4 March 2015 09: 55
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and Swan quickly finished it

          Quote: Prometey
          Tell us more in detail to whom this talker Swan gave a snot? Transnistria was defended by militias and volunteers, while the 14 army was hiding in the barracks.

          The swan had already arrived at the end and growled beautifully in the television camera.
          1. Alexan
            +8
            4 March 2015 10: 50
            And the main one. the negative role of Cygnus was later, already in Chechnya ... Large shoulder straps and important posts show the man from the other side.
            1. -1
              4 March 2015 12: 17
              Quote: Alexan
              negative, the role of Cygnus was later, already in Chechnya.

              The swan is a military man, not a politician. At one time, having come into politics, he simply could not figure out how those who had already become proficient in these matters substitute him. He was appointed to a high post to do the dirty work, and he, not having enough experience in politics, fell into this trap. At that time, this was obvious, therefore the personality of A. Lebed was not subjected to great and systematic criticism, as far as I could tell from the then press.
              1. avt
                +3
                4 March 2015 13: 13
                Quote: take-off
                Military man swan

                Yes, it’s a fact, and on the day of the Airborne Forces in Krasnoyarsk, he roared from the rostrum that he was fine in the army.
                Quote: take-off
                K. At one time, having come to politics, he simply could not figure out how those who had already become proficient in these matters substitute him.

                laughingHike feed on myths and did not collide. When he went into politics, he began to treat people, in his own words, as to the steps of the upper stage of the rocket, which take him into orbit, and themselves fall off. But the "spent blocks" from his inner circle, starting with the photographer who captured the general in an informal, almost home, atmosphere, were very well used by the grated rolls from the teams of Chubais and the deceased Baba. His brother, his Polovcha, ended up in Khakassia, although he also fell out of the clip ...
              2. +4
                4 March 2015 13: 37
                He was appointed to a high post to do the dirty work, and he, not having enough experience in politics, fell into this trap.


                Dear, what "sufficient experience" is needed to subscribe to the Khasavyurt surrender, when the army, despite all the losses and problems, almost crushed the militants?
                1. +1
                  5 March 2015 00: 28
                  Quote: alicante11
                  when the army, despite all the losses and problems, still almost crushed the militants?

                  ...
                  6 August 1996 year detachments of Chechen separatists from 850 to 2000 people attacked Grozny. The separatists did not set out to capture the city; they blocked administrative buildings in the city center, as well as fired on roadblocks and checkpoints. The Russian garrison under the command of General Pulikovsky, despite significant superiority in manpower and equipment, could not hold the cityhaving suffered significant losses (over 2000 soldiers killed, missing and wounded).
                  At the same time as the storming of Grozny, the separatists also captured the cities of Gudermes (taken without a fight) and Argun (Russian troops kept only the commandant’s building).
                  According to Oleg Lukin, it was the defeat of Russian troops in Grozny that led to the signing of the Khasavyurt ceasefire agreements


                  Dear, what "sufficient experience" is needed to subscribe to the Khasavyurt capitulation,

                  To do this, it was necessary to have common sense. Without eliminating the leverage of the Chechen lobby in Moscow, it was pointless to continue the war.

                  It was a temporary, filthy "Peace of Brest", but - peace.
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              3. 0
                11 March 2015 09: 54
                Quote: take-off
                At one time, having come into politics, he simply could not figure out how those who had already become proficient in these matters substitute him.
                Have you seen his interview on the signing of the "peace" agreements? He openly declared there: "... if I had not signed this peace, then the army would have gone to Moscow ...". He was perfectly aware of everything, his task was at any cost to protect those who dragged him through his career, starting with the starley. Leblyat- this is the usual, ready for the protection of their masters for any betrayal and crime.
            2. 0
              11 March 2015 09: 48
              Quote: Alexan
              And the main one. negative, the role of Cygnus was later, already in Chechnya ...
              This is only the pinnacle of a traitor's career. And you can read about the beginning in his book "I have the honor." About how he graduated from the academy of the General Staff for a bribe in the form of his wife (a former Komsomol worker), about how he did nothing in Baku to protect Russians and Armenians from Azerbajanians ... There you will find a lot of interesting things.
        3. 0
          4 March 2015 10: 49
          Recall also that Swan didn’t leave politics and life with his own feet.
      2. +7
        4 March 2015 07: 31
        Quote: Victor Dyukarev
        And so we in Transnistria PR on our own head the former commander of the 14th Russian Army A. Lebed in 1992.

        That's right. I still remember.
        But hope was needed there, at least a ghostly one. The swan gave it. Exceptionally ghostly. That is why I went home after Bender, despite my persuasions to stay forever. And after the PMR, when I heard the name of this "gallant" general, I only spat.
      3. UFO
        +5
        4 March 2015 11: 27
        Quote: Victor Dyukarev
        we in Transnistria PR on our own head

        You put it on our head. After becoming governor-general in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, this figure "brought" all taxes from the region and property there.
    4. +17
      4 March 2015 06: 58
      I wrote about this back in the fall, I got the same minuses. The article correctly says that for half a year he has "lost everything." I have not trusted him and his articles for a long time. And I completely agree with the author that now he is playing his own game, and is waiting in the wings in Russia. And at the first bells, he will go to capture our cities, civil war is his dream.
      1. +9
        4 March 2015 07: 36
        Quote: rassel0889
        I wrote about this back in the fall, I also got cons.

        You are right, Strelkov DARK HORSE, and I also had doubts about him last summer, first with his tantrums that everything had disappeared from the Chef, but in the end it turned out to be exactly the opposite. At first I thought that it was such a tactic to mislead the enemy, but when he got in touch with El Murid, it all became clear to me that Strelkov was hanging out in the hole, not knowing where to pester. So the dark personality of Strelkov will be judged by history, as colleagues in the posts above emphasize, like us.
        1. +2
          4 March 2015 07: 47
          But what a dark horse is there ?! They have been trying to say about him for a long time that he was implicated in a major provocation against Russia. But not focused, but developed in the course of events. Those. he was stupidly used like any schizophrenic trying to become more significant than others ... So, to whom are mythical laurels, to whom are political benefits and money ... But all the same people suffer ...
          1. +4
            4 March 2015 10: 52
            Quote: TotalWar
            Those. it was stupidly used like any schizophrenic trying to become more significant than others.

            and you, all-encompassing warfor what use.
            You only registered yesterday:
            Registration Date: 3 March 2015 11: 34
            I think so - to reek of heart-rending, name-calling and fragmenting into VO.
        2. +2
          4 March 2015 08: 45
          About the dark person Strelkova I advise you to look at materials from the archive of the justice site no. (Tatyana Volkova) - there is something to think about. In general, against the backdrop of universal admiration, his personality in the days of the defense of Slavyansk and for some time after was somewhat alarmed by his obvious passions for symbolism, attributes of military operations and even some attempts in linguistics - the famous order to ban the mat. There were no other problems in Donetsk for the Minister of Defense. And at the expense of the political figure at the level of the dictator - this is nonsense! The figure is not of that level; he cannot even reach Rutsky. And the most important thing for him now, perhaps, is that they would forget about him for a long time, at a time when you can clean some ends and smooth out the roughness from his new biography under a new name.
          1. 0
            11 March 2015 10: 09
            Quote: miv110
            Strelkov’s dark personality, I advise you to look at materials from the archive of the justice site. (Tatyana Volkova) - there is something to think about

            for sure. beginning with who this wolf is:
            Volkova Tatyana Vyacheslavovna. Born in Moscow.

            Specialties in rights and diplomas: choreographer, web designer, truck driver, lawyer.
            The site of JUSTICE.NET
            First job: Moscow Circus on the Lenin Hills. For the past 11 years, legal adviser to the All-Russian Public Movement For Human Rights. In the interval, she was engaged in different things: she worked as a ballet dancer, acted in foreign courts as an expert in Russian law and law enforcement practice ...
            JUSTICE website. NO: http://pravosudija.net/profile/tatyana-volkova
            an ordinary provocateur with the money of the State Department ... I’m ashamed to use such sources, though if you don’t eat from the same feeder yourself.
        3. lankrus
          +5
          4 March 2015 12: 21
          Quote: Sirocco
          So the dark personality of Strelkov will be judged by history, as colleagues in the posts above emphasize, like us.

          Wow, the people are like a guamno in the hole. The breeze blew and carried to the other side. A head to think? For Strelkova speak his affairs. Anyone can groan and pervert his deeds and actions, when in your hands all the power of state propaganda.
          It amazes me, people accept the words of Beard for truth.
      2. +6
        4 March 2015 08: 21
        Quote: rassel0889
        I wrote about this back in the fall, I also got cons.

        To my shame, I also reconsidered my attitude towards Strelkov, especially a lot of questions appeared after he contacted M & A and ElMurid. Then cognitive dissonance began.
        Beard is right, I want the people of such a hero without fear and reproach, but not fate.
        There is no such thing. Yes, and Strelkov himself became a hostage of the halo with which the Rusnet surrounded him. Eh heh heh. recourse
        1. Alexan
          +3
          4 March 2015 11: 01
          Soon we quarreled with El-Murid ... And all of us who wanted a hero pushed Strelkov into politics. Boroday is right or wrong, one can judge from the number of comrades-in-arms who became disillusioned with Strelkov. Now journalists are asking forgiveness from Kurginyan (Maxim Shevchenko) for the harsh assessment of his statements about Girkin. Personally, I was alarmed by the "whine" from Slavyansk, when it was necessary to inspire. The last straw was the statement about the referendum in Crimea. Not everything is amenable to public disclosure! For us. Crimeans, it was already spitting!
          1. 0
            11 March 2015 10: 12
            Quote: Alexan
            The last straw was the statement about the referendum in Crimea. Not everything is publicly available! For us. Crimeans, it was already a spit!

            well, he would have proved that without help from Russia you would not have settled a referendum, as he bastard dared to tell the truth ...
      3. +3
        4 March 2015 10: 37
        Quote: rassel0889
        I wrote about this back in the fall, I got the same minuses. The article correctly says that for half a year he has "lost everything." I have not trusted him and his articles for a long time. And I completely agree with the author that now he is playing his own game, and is waiting in the wings in Russia. And at the first bells, he will go to capture our cities, civil war is his dream.

        I support last year, just in the fall, they were discussing Strelkov on the site and expressed his opinion about the politicians general, including Lebed, Kvachkov and others. They didn’t skimp on the minuses, but it’s like, Mikhalych ... lol
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    6. +18
      4 March 2015 08: 34
      It is noteworthy that articles of this kind are published almost simultaneously with Strelkov's criticism in the next opus by Kurginyan "SI-78,79,80". The SEC realized that on Strelkovo it had lost most of its adepts and in every next program it was trying to create a new construction of Strelkov's guilt. One question remains. If Strelkov did not restrain the punishers in Slavyansk, the Donetsk people would have managed to create rebel detachments in the city. And we are aware of the "blocking" of the airport with the execution of our own people and the supply of the punitive squadrons with food from the stadium warehouse. It is better to learn about Strelkov's contribution to the formation of armed resistance from his commanders, who do not live in Donetsk and city hotels. Is this why the witnesses are slowly being removed in order to take away the fame of Strelkov from the people?
      1. Robespierre9
        +19
        4 March 2015 09: 30
        Everyone has a painfully short memory. When various armed organized crime groups were just roaming around Luhansk, all sorts of Pushilins and Co. were preparing to drain Donetsk, no one needed a war with the Ukrainian army, they all wanted to merge quietly, they say, "it didn't work out, the enemy was too strong ...", but the capture of Slavyansk greatly interfered, it served as a sort of thorn - not very dangerous but very painful for the Ukrainian army, and it was because of Slavyansk that everything "started", there would be no Slavyansk - everything would have been merged quietly in a couple of days, there was NOT a SINGLE person, then whoever could provide the organization of a normal militia, there was only a darkness of politicians who would dissolve in case of something and that's all, they are not responsible for anything, and Strelkov organized a defense, someone else could have done it? Boroday? Maybe he's a military man laughing ? There, sabotage went on in full from all kinds of Gur type Penny, sitting against the background of two Kalash and not really capable of anything - play-actors and fools of all stripes, in short, PR people, this category is capable of only talking to the camera and no matter what. Yes, there was also Khodakovsky - a Judas agent of the "seven intelligence services" whom Penny actively promoted, maybe he would have done something valuable?
        1. Fin
          +13
          4 March 2015 11: 31
          Quote: Robespierre9
          Everyone has a painfully short memory. When various armed organized crime groups were just roaming around Luhansk, all sorts of Pushilins and Co. were preparing to drain Donetsk, no one needed a war with the Ukrainian army, they all wanted to merge quietly, they say, "it didn't work out, the enemy was too strong ...", but the capture of Slavyansk greatly interfered,

          I join the opinion. When Strelkov held Slavyansk everyone shouted cheers, now after several rash statements he is already almost an enemy. Who is the Beard? You look at his ever-running eyes, cunning ... people came to the DPR hoping to grab some piece of power with the corresponding cash flow. It didn’t work, he was offended at all, and now he’s pouring shit on whoever interfered with him or did not appreciate him. How many of them have already been eliminated. Tomorrow Khodakovsky will speak with the IIS and what will we begin to blame again? People capable of organizing an armed uprising with 60 people and growing up to several thousand-units !!!
          Let's try on this jacket and sadly put it in the closet.
    7. +1
      4 March 2015 09: 53
      The article is very interesting, thank you very much.

      Tell Alexander Boroday really has the title of Major General of the FSB? Maybe the journalists were wrong.

      Site
      http://www.apn.ru/news/comments13719.htm
    8. -2
      4 March 2015 09: 59
      The shooters always had some kind of panicky remarks.
      1. 0
        4 March 2015 11: 04
        Yes, yes, at first I thought that UkroSmi would be used. Through all appeals, there was only one red thread: Russia must lead troops. Moreover, if you estimate that reports of vacationers and units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Ukraine at that time could turn out to be true, then only two conclusions can be drawn from Strelkov’s speeches

        Option 1. We were betrayed by the Russian government and Putin, including, went to water reptiles. (we leave from Donetsk we go to Moscow)

        Option 2 - Strelkov needed an official entry of the RF Armed Forces into Ukraine.

        Considering that at that time, most of the general public of the Western world still firmly believed in bloody terrorists in Ukraine and was not a little sober by their own sanctions - I think we would get NATO troops to Ukraine at least.
        1. +7
          4 March 2015 12: 35
          Quote: kayman4
          Yes, yes, at first I thought that UkroSmi would be used.

          A little bit off topic, but here I dug a little humor about the Information Troops of Ukraine
          "These are the letters the wives of the fighters write:
          "Hello dear Petro Oleksiyovich, our dear President!
          The wife of the fighter of the Information Troops of Ukraine Mykola Nichiporuk writes to you.
          It will soon be a month before my husband fights on the information fronts. He fights boldly, doesn’t bow to crazy files and has already been awarded a nominal zhito-blakitnaya flash drive.
          But lately, strange things have begun to happen to her husband, apparently as a result of some kind of shell shock received by him in battles. So, recently, when I called him: “Mykola, go to dinner,” he turned around, answered: “I’m not Mykola, you were mistaken, soldier ...” and again clung to the monitor. I was dumbfounded and said that he sometimes needed to rest from the computer, to which he replied that he had no computer and never had, and that now he generally walks in the park with a dog, and he sees me for the first time.
          Then I was completely scared, since we have no dog. I decided to call my friend and consult, as her husband also serves in the Information Forces, in the rank of system centurion. I didn’t have time to say hello when a friend sobbed into the phone and informed me that her husband’s battalion had been in the cauldron for some week on the site. They were clamped there on all sides and cruelly troll and neigh, why her husband has been moaning and crying at the computer for a week, has not eaten anything, has become terribly thin and has begun to smell strongly, since the quilted jackets do not even allow them to go to the toilet. The command abandoned them, their free accounts ran out, and many fighters are no longer able to fight, because they erased their fingertips to the bone.
          And here a few days ago they bombarded them with heavy reactive information about the hryvnia exchange rate, which is why a lot of lads were killed from breaks in patterns incompatible with life. Then I realized that my problems in comparison with the problems of a friend were sheer nonsense and hung up. But yesterday I was especially worried.
          In the morning we drank tea and our five-year-old son asked why his favorite pastries are not on the table? And then her husband cried out that the table is full of all kinds of cakes, cakes and pies. The child cried and said that he did not see anything. The husband jumped up, called him a paid Kremlin bot, cut off a piece from an invisible cake with a knife, damaged a tablecloth, then stuffed an invisible piece into his mouth, put on a balaclava and went off to the computer with a marching step.
          I decided to write to you, dear Petro Oleksiyovich, since I have a question - when will the rotation be held in the Information Forces for treatment and rest of personnel? And one more question - will there be a discount on electricity for soldiers of the Information Forces? And then we received a receipt for the light, and I got lost twice, counting the number of digits in the total. Although my husband has already told me that I am lying, that life has become better, life has become more fun, and that the communal apartment in Ukraine has been and will be free, since Ukraine is the largest producer of electricity not only in the world, but throughout the entire solar system.
          Best regards, Oksana Nichiporuk. " smile
        2. 0
          4 March 2015 14: 07
          Yes, completely in the hole !!)) Musin (his Kent) back in June, foaming at his mouth, yelled: "If Putin does not bring in the troops, they will demolish him!" And the "elmurid" is always whining: "everything is lost, everything has been leaked." Even then I realized that "the Cossacks were sent"!
      2. +2
        4 March 2015 14: 11
        Brother are you !? quieter ... they don't talk about "heroes" like that! ))) "Heroes" are sent to Moscow in the midst of the Ilovaiskaya battle to fight the fifth column)))
    9. -2
      4 March 2015 10: 45
      Strelkov fought, and I would not want to draw any hasty conclusions about him.

      But on the other hand, his behavior after the forced (or what is it?) Resignation reminds me more and more of the hysteria of an abandoned capricious woman. The whole spectrum from "You owe me everything!" and "You could be the father of my children!" until "Fuck you find another one, I'm the best!" and "In spite of you, I'll go to another!"

      Why this chatter? !!
      If you are such an ideological fighter, then go fight at least as an ordinary! What, do you want to be generals? I don’t agree on anything even for the sake of defending the Fatherland? Some kind of careerism, by golly ... After all, he promised to return to Novorossia with at least a machine gunner? So keep your word, go. Or don't swing your tongue. The more statements from Strelkov, the more questions I have for him for some reason.

      As the saying goes,
      You said it once - and I believed. You said again, and I doubted ... You said the third time, and I realized that you were lying ...
      1. 0
        4 March 2015 15: 45
        Quote: Skating rink
        I don’t agree on anything even for the sake of defending the Fatherland?

        And what kind of fatherland is there to protect?
    10. Denis fj
      -2
      4 March 2015 16: 32
      “And we were all surprised - why Donetsk did not help the bleeding Slavyansk at all.” - Who knows this from? I suspect it was from Strelkov. Regarding Strelkov's withdrawal from Slavyansk, as a military man, I have no questions, but that is why the borders in Kramatorsk were not organized on the highway to Artemovsk, and they were then. and the destruction of Gorlovka could have been avoided, and Debaltseve with Pervomaisk. But this is so, the notes of an outsider, but what exactly could not be done was to allow chatter, both about the affairs in the DPR and the Crimea, and here I do not understand Strelkov
      1. xan
        +3
        4 March 2015 19: 12
        Quote: denis fj
        As for Strelkov’s departure from Slavyansk, I don’t have any military questions, but why there were no lines organized in Kramatorsk on the highway to Artyomovsk there were then. Because it was possible to keep Kramatorsk for a couple of months, then a couple more Druzhkovka and Artemovsky

        as the military does not understand that dill does not need Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, they needed Donetsk. They would simply go around the defenses and pearls directly to Donetsk. When Strelkov realized this, he took action.
    11. +2
      5 March 2015 04: 37
      Oh, and m.r.a.z. Borodai !!! How vile poison is pouring on Strelkov. And "VO" is also great, what - did the owners of the resource give new instructions?
      But then other things began to happen. In particular, it was Igor who passed Karlovka. This is a very important point. Karlovka is the “western gate” to Donetsk. While Strelkov was gone, Karlovka held on. And it’s wonderful. She was defended by various units operating in coordination.


      Held perfectly ?? Against whom, answer, cattle? Shooters in Slavyansk fettered the main forces of dill, while zharchchenki hovered. As soon as the Ukrainians arrived, everything immediately became HERO.

      But he told me in an interview that when he came to Donetsk, everything was relaxed there, no one fought.
      By the time he entered the city, the fighting in Donetsk itself was already over. So this, sorry, is our merit, not our fault


      I don't even know how to comment on this? And that the airport does not belong to the city ?? And what about the forces that were in Donetsk-Makeyevka somehow actively fighting? So active that in June almost the entire south of the DPR was surrendered without much fighting. Their zharchenok somebody bothered to send help to besieged Slavyansk ?? Bl.ya.kh.a fly, when Strelkov brought his brigade to Donetsk, there only the Oplot and Vostok detachments were not inferior in number to the Strelkovites. So, there is no need to fill in about how Donetsk fought successfully, until Strelkov, you see, did not interfere with them ...
      1. -1
        5 March 2015 06: 52
        And let's take a look at it soberly - if we accept the version of Ukraine.

        Even then, the Russian Federation supported the DPR and LPR - the vacationers were both legal and non-legal - if my memory did not change, 60-70 cases of desertion with crossing the border were recorded. Further, you can listen to stories about how brave militias restore the equipment captured from the APU or removed from conservation, but I want to pay attention - at least we need specialists to repair the LMS - there is no simple mech-water here, we need spare parts to restore the LMS - the cannibalism method doesn’t long-term storage (or rather its absence and how it is) for 90% of the machines one and the same units will fail, and finally, you need equipment to adjust the system of the FCS — just changing the dead blocks to new ones does not mean making the machine serviceable. Without all this, the tank turns into just a tractor, it’s true and it doesn’t take a long train :) Well, the T-64 is a capricious car, and the BCH is still riding them.

        Did Strelkov know about this? I think unconditionally and, nevertheless, in my speeches I said that Russia merged Donbass.

        In addition, the effectiveness of the actions of the militia - allow at least to think about introducing intelligence into the interests of the armed forces of the Russian Federation (monitoring from space, radio interception, radio suppression, radio games), it is very possible that actual control on an operational scale was carried out by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. I think without all this, Strelkov’s exit from Slavyansk would not have been possible.

        So I urge you to consider Strelkov's statements "about the drain" from these positions

        PS It is interesting that for the first time about Strelkov as an opinion about the PR-figure was voiced back in the month of June and not Borodai at all (they also went over it there) - then, however, I considered this a blunder of Ukrainian propaganda.
  2. +19
    4 March 2015 05: 04
    I think this interview will not last long on the site. Something similar has already happened with a similar article by Skomorokhov.
    I dealt with this issue quite deeply. And it seems to me that Boroday is right in many respects. But the most unpleasant thing is the position of Strelka respected by me. This is the position of a person offended by everyone. Just like I started, I am a legend, and I like that ... But A bearded man who has no less merits, understands how difficult it is to build a new state and is trying to help. But he does not criticize or yell. Everything is propal, we were merged, we were surrendered ...
    1. +7
      4 March 2015 05: 54
      domokl (2) RU "I was deeply involved in this issue ..."
      ==========================================
      You can continue your STUDIES further! But your conclusions are very doubtful! In order not to be verbose, I will simply say: all this is nonsense! Let's remember "Kurginyan" and his "chicks", and at the same time Surkov, etc. Learn more about their ACTIVITIES! Strelkov is an HONEST, ORDER MAN, that's why he was removed by these U. bastards ..
      1. +6
        4 March 2015 06: 05
        Quote: alexdol
        You can continue to continue your STUDIES! Here are just your conclusions are very doubtful!

        Naturally. Any conclusions are made on the basis of some facts. And the facts that I know allow me to draw these conclusions. If you have others, then let's argue. And so, sorry, your opinion is not worth it eggs ...
        1. +3
          4 March 2015 06: 40
          What do you think, why is his report on accepting a volunteer in the ranks of the BCH not satisfied?
          1. +1
            4 March 2015 06: 49
            Quote: WooDoo
            why is his report on accepting a volunteer in the ranks of the BCH not satisfied?

            Because his report was a PR, he was not going to enter there.
            1. +11
              4 March 2015 07: 14
              =)) what a wonderful explanation.
              1. -2
                4 March 2015 07: 22
                Quote: WooDoo
                =)) what a wonderful explanation.

                In fact what is happening.
                1. +9
                  4 March 2015 07: 40
                  Since when has anyone's assumption become a fact?
                  Too self-confident. In Kurginyanovsky.
                  1. +1
                    4 March 2015 10: 49
                    Quote: WooDoo
                    Too self-confident. In Kurginyanovsky.

                    I’m not familiar with Kurginyan, but as for self-confidence, the officers don’t suffer from such garbage. I went silently and wrote, and not to the whole country, so I wrote a report-CLOWN!
                  2. 0
                    4 March 2015 20: 55
                    Quote: WooDoo
                    Too self-confident. In Kurginyanovsky.

                    About this possessed one got a parody movie. Well, very entertaining and on topic ...
            2. Alexan
              +2
              4 March 2015 11: 09
              Most likely it was already a gesture of despair, a desire to prove. Igor Ivanovich is a brave man. He had already received his PR, now he would have to get away from him somewhere.
          2. Victor Dyukarev
            -1
            4 March 2015 06: 59
            He will start buzzing. There are people who believe Strelka. Nobody needs Buza.
            1. +5
              4 March 2015 07: 44
              Buzz - lied. Neither Motorola nor Brainwave.
              But their authority - yes. High
              1. +5
                4 March 2015 11: 54
                Bednov's authority was also not small. And where is Batman-Bednov now?
        2. +9
          4 March 2015 06: 51
          domokl (2) RU ".., then to the barrier and bet .."
          -------------------------------------------------- -
          Yes, I'm not going to argue with you! If what you see and hear even on these resources is not enough for you, then what can you talk about ?! So the "Ukrainian" power in the face of the parashenka and the group also endlessly asserts that the militias are SHOOTING at themselves !? And after all someone believes them ?! And there will be "analysts" who, on the basis of "FACTS", will JUSTIFY this! Only I DO NOT BELIEVE any of them! ...
          1. +1
            4 March 2015 11: 01
            Quote: alexdol
            domokl (2) RU ".., then to the barrier and bet .."
            -------------------------------------------------- -
            Yes, I'm not going to argue with you! If what you see and hear even on these resources is not enough for you, then what can you talk about ?!

            + + +
            add to this - to analyze not only this situation, but on a global scale.
        3. -3
          4 March 2015 07: 52
          Really! The facts speak for themselves! Everything that I. Girkin says, everything turned out the other way around! There is already such a persistent feeling that he took the "advance payment", but cannot work ...
    2. +24
      4 March 2015 06: 32
      You will study the relationship between Boroday and Surkov, then maybe Strelkov’s position will become clear to you. While Strelkov’s army successfully defended against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in Donetsk strip clubs were packed to capacity, and Boroday drank cognac with Akhmetov.
      1. +3
        4 March 2015 08: 54
        Please provide a link to a source about the gatherings of Boradai with Akhmetov.
      2. +2
        4 March 2015 10: 27
        This is not a sensation. Of course, they all (Borodai, Surkov, Zakharchenko, Pushilin) ​​contacted and are in contact with Akhmetov! It was like you were born yesterday ... What do you think, is it so easy to instantly establish business contacts with consumers and find sales for products in a world where there is very fierce competition ??? So they are a big plus for the ability to work in the political environment !!!
      3. +4
        4 March 2015 10: 55
        Quote: kenig1
        and Beard cognac with Akhmetov drank.

        During the years of service on the wanted list, I also had to drink cognac and vodka with different people. But there is no other result, but those are far away. So the joint drinking of alcoholic beverages has not yet been criminalized. I have criminalized what will follow this drinking.
    3. Victor Dyukarev
      +13
      4 March 2015 06: 56
      For a quarter of a century Russia has been "dumping" Transnistria. Those who yell are unable to understand that the Western world does not recognize the DPR and LPR, will not recognize the passports of the DPR and LPR, as well as these republics as the producing country. The same situation is with Transnistria. Formally, the PMR is a part of Moldova, but REALLY is an independent state with all the attributes of power. So it will be with Novorossia: FORMALLY - this is UKRAINE, but ACTUALLY - an independent state ... almost RUSSIA, There simply cannot be another in this situation.
      1. +5
        4 March 2015 08: 47
        So, these republics need to be annexed to Russia. The whole of Big New Russia, Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
        1. -3
          4 March 2015 10: 06
          As long as our economy is not stabilizing, there can be no talk of any kind of accession, all the more so the choice of accession should be made by people who live in these territories, and Transnistria doesn’t have any sense whatsoever, it’s easier to resettle the population there, only 300 thousand people remain.
    4. +4
      4 March 2015 07: 40
      Quote: domokl
      I think that this interview will not last very long on the site.

      I’m not sure about the site’s account, but I already read this article on the network 5-6 days ago. Well, at the expense of Strelka with his grievances, I will say so that they carry water to the offended. From a hero, with his whining, and complaints he turns into a rag.
    5. +10
      4 March 2015 07: 55
      Quote: domokl
      .But Boroday, who has no less merit,

      But can you elaborate on the merits of Beard?
      Shooters really fought before.
      Zakharchenko is really fighting now.
      Tell me in what battles did you personally take part and who did Borodai command?
    6. -2
      4 March 2015 08: 21
      Quote: domokl
      Beard is right in many respects. But the most unpleasant thing is the position of Strelka respected by me. This is the position of a person offended by everyone.

      I support your position - since September Strelkov’s interview raised a lot of questions and doubts.
      But ...
      There are many things in the world, Horatio's friend,
      What our wise men did not dream.
    7. +5
      4 March 2015 08: 53
      In my opinion, this is the position of the Bearded man offended by everyone. I can’t even remember anything sensible about him during the almost three-month premiere. In fact, a downed pilot.
    8. +10
      4 March 2015 08: 56
      Quote: domokl
      And it seems to me that Boroday is in many ways right
      I would not say.
      Tell me, honestly. If the Shooter had not left Slavyansk, would they unblock it?

      Very likely. But the history of the subjunctive moods does not know. I will say one thing: no one considered him as a sacred sacrifice. If they had considered it, he would not have sat in Moscow now.
      There was not one chance! Here Boroday is engaged in ordinary populism.
      1. +2
        4 March 2015 09: 31
        Beard is right in many ways. If measured in percent, then his 65-70 is typed. There is garbage, I agree, without it in any way. But many things, especially personal relationships, are true.

        Since last year, I have accumulated a bunch of stories about Strelka in Donetsk, only with the publication of problems. And there is.

        The fact that the portrait drawn by Boroday is 100% the same - believe it or not. But - a fact. We all crack what the media are telling us. So the image of the "Steadfast White Officer" was formed. Broken, however. And, do not steal, your own. This is me about the vote of confidence in Donetsk.

        Well, he organized the Order of St. Nicholas. Awarded. By the way, no one paid much attention to the fact that it was a copyrighted Wrangel Order. Read on the Internet.

        Girkin is a man. With pros and cons. I just played a little in "everything is lost." And in the image of a white officer.
        1. -1
          4 March 2015 10: 04
          I agree with you in terms of evaluating the article. For some reason, everyone trusts Strelkov a priori, and if something does not fit into the usual picture - libel. In this we are akin to Khokhlov, they also talk about the separatists, quilted jackets and the Russian military, also until their faces rest in the opposite, they do not believe. Boroday gave an assessment of the events from his point of view. I have long had questions about some coincidences that do not fit into the overall coherent picture. Now I get answers to some of them.
          1. +8
            4 March 2015 10: 24
            They trust Strelkov because they are judged by his deeds. Beards do not believe for the same reason))
            1. +2
              4 March 2015 10: 39
              The fact that we do not see the affairs of man does not mean that there are no affairs. Beard also had a different position, more public, and fewer speeches. I liked Strelkov’s affairs at first, until the moment when I began to see panic and doom in his interview. Sometimes he revised the interview several times to understand what exactly he meant, not to make false conclusions. I really did not like the cursing of the Kurginyan after the surrender of Slavyansk, I ceased to respect that. My opinion about Strelkov changed dramatically after he foreshadowed the imminent fall of Donetsk, but it did not happen. It’s not that I was deceived in hopes, I simply understood Strelkov’s isolation from reality at that moment, an element of resentment against his former associates, which did not allow him to soberly assess the situation.
              In conclusion, I will say that I respect Strelkov for what he did in Slavyansk, and I never condemn him for this, but I also listen to the opinion of Boroday.
              1. Robespierre9
                0
                4 March 2015 11: 40
                If things are not visible, this does not mean that they are. something like this
                1. 0
                  4 March 2015 16: 17
                  Quote: Robespierre9
                  If things are not visible, this does not mean that they are. something like this


                  Go tell it to the GRU, SVR and other special services.
                  1. Robespierre9
                    0
                    4 March 2015 22: 43
                    Look, with such an approach as yours, any swindler-kurgenyan will be able to say that he is the navel of the earth - and you will rush to defend him, because GRU SVR, etc. etc., you breed yourself by this approach.
              2. 0
                4 March 2015 13: 20
                You are right in your reasoning. Everything there is very muddy, and absolutely "good" guys are only, probably, men-miners who fight and die for their country as ordinary people. And politics ... to put it mildly, there are not enough saints there.
              3. 0
                4 March 2015 16: 14
                Quote: Cheshire
                The fact that we do not see the affairs of man does not mean that there are no affairs. Beard also had a different position, more public, but fewer speeches ...


                In conclusion, I will say that I respect Strelkov for what he did in Slavyansk, and I never condemn him for this, but to Beard’s opinion also listen.
                1. +1
                  4 March 2015 18: 43
                  I saw this article, but could not understand the source and author. I don’t refuse my words, really, I respect Strelkov for what he did in Slavyansk, I listen to the opinion of Borody.
            2. +1
              4 March 2015 14: 12
              I have great respect for Strelkov, but I do not always agree with his assessment of the situation as a whole, especially recently. And about the fact that there was a moment when he gave the order to evacuate troops from Donetsk, he himself spoke in an interview. This, as I recall, was the moment of the breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Shakhtersk. The situation was really critical. According to him, after he left for the place and made sure that the breakthrough could be stopped, he canceled the order. Beard gives a slightly different version, but the fact itself took place.
        2. -1
          4 March 2015 10: 23
          Guys, "I just played too" - there are more than one thousand human lives and destinies behind this. This is not "Zarnitsa" and not computer games. This is either pathology or stupidity based on pride, which contradicts Strelkov's external religiosity. Such people easily fall under manipulation (as it is sung in a well-known children's song) and commit inappropriate actions. It’s a pity that it’s like this.
    9. +5
      4 March 2015 09: 33
      We don’t know the truth. But.
      1. Such interviews are driven into the position of the offended, with the transition to personalities, which forces them to give in response the same level of "strawberry", which is somehow not like an officer. Or rather, hung labels and cliches.
      2. A trend has been taken to clean part of the activists (witnesses?). Someone physically eliminated, someone politically.
      3. If you conduct a debriefing, then evaluate the actions of all participants in the events, and not focus on one Strelkov.
      4. The article traces several clumsy methods of manipulating the reader's opinion (memes such as "Jewish surname"), which is alarming.
    10. Alexan
      +1
      4 March 2015 11: 06
      This article was published a week ago on WARFILES.RU, then reprinted everywhere. I am surprised that she appeared here so late. Most likely no one wants to believe the ears. eyes ...
    11. lankrus
      0
      4 March 2015 14: 31
      Quote: domokl
      . But the most unpleasant thing is the position of the Strelka respected by me. This is the position of the person offended by everyone.


      Fight with superior forces, without support, then get out of the environment, get a bucket of slop on your head, and why didn’t you die there. Then you will be thrown out of the case for which you fought and put an obvious r at the helm. And most importantly, Strelkov was right in almost everything, we now have a conflict at our borders and he does not think to stop, Obama today signed a continuation of the sanctions. Everything will increase and could end in August, support the Strelkov government.
      So when you go through this, then you can judge, but for now, your position is that of the enemy.
  3. +6
    4 March 2015 05: 06
    this makes no sense
    1. +6
      4 March 2015 06: 08
      Especially delivers - "that's who read my book." =)
    2. graphite
      +4
      4 March 2015 06: 09
      Quote: Niva
      this makes no sense

      I still don’t understand the purpose of this interview. Reduction of personal accounts or proof of Moscow’s involvement in the civil war?
      1. +1
        5 March 2015 11: 30
        An attempt to raise personal self-esteem due to slander against former associates is me about Boroday.
  4. +11
    4 March 2015 05: 07
    If we discard all the husks and personal showdowns: Was it really not clear from the very beginning that this is a revolutionary anarchist fighting until the first armistice? And absolutely incapable of anything larger than the strike battalion?
    1. +16
      4 March 2015 05: 33
      Quote: Ruslan67
      And absolutely incapable of anything on a scale larger than the strike battalion?

      Ruslan, the fact is that most of the militia commanders are military under duress. And the majority of the squad leader is trained, the maximum is a platoon. And they trained them in the Ukrainian army.
      However, the capable ones have grown, advanced.
      It seems to me that it is more about personal ambitions.
      1. +8
        4 March 2015 05: 47
        Quote: domokl
        it’s more about personal ambitions.

        I agree here good I’m used to reconstructions that everything was according to his plan and he was at the head. Such are the most dangerous, it’s not known where it can lead request
        I wonder who we stepped on kokoshi that we began to shove cons on the move what laughing
        1. +1
          4 March 2015 08: 03
          Ruslan I support your point of view !!
        2. 0
          4 March 2015 10: 28
          "Who we stepped on kokoshi for" - of course to the fans.
        3. +1
          4 March 2015 10: 51
          Quote: Ruslan67
          It’s interesting to whom we stepped on kokoshi that we began to shove cons on the move what laughing

          It's a strange question. Yes to the one who last year spattered saliva on the monitor "the President's successor, the President's successor." They still do not abandon this bad thought, only the move has become more cunning. The bet on the liberal opposition has failed, now the national-patriotic card is being played. And the goal is one - to plunge Russia into chaos, no matter which way - liberal or national-patriotic. The main thing is Maidan.
      2. +12
        4 March 2015 06: 09
        Quote: domokl
        It seems to me that it is more about personal ambitions.

        maybe so, just don’t forget that Strelkov naively hoped for Russian intervention, and continues to insist - and therefore in disgrace. For it gets in the way underfoot, reread to the supreme, and in fever reveals details.
        1. +15
          4 March 2015 06: 27
          Quote: twviewer
          , just do not forget that Strelkov naively hoped for Russian intervention,

          Lieutenant Colonel Girkin, retired FSB officer. He went through more than one war. Accordingly, the tales about what he hoped were very doubtful. Rather, he thought to force Russia to go to the Crimean version. But this is purely my conclusion. I can not imagine the facts.
          1. +3
            4 March 2015 06: 34
            Quote: domokl
            Rather, he thought to make Russia go to the Crimean version. But this is purely my conclusion. I can not imagine the facts.

            he could not and cannot.
            I got the introductory and went to Slavyansk .. business then.
            1. Victor Dyukarev
              +7
              4 March 2015 07: 07
              Quote: twviewer
              Quote: domokl
              Rather, he thought to make Russia go to the Crimean version. But this is purely my conclusion. I can not imagine the facts.

              he could not and cannot.
              I got the introductory and went to Slavyansk .. business then.


              Yes, the majority then hoped for the Crimean version, including the FSB in Russia.
          2. +3
            4 March 2015 08: 40
            So he himself spoke about it many times
        2. -1
          4 March 2015 10: 29
          The naive minister of defense is worse than a monkey with a grenade. I think that he is not a naive person, but this is stated above.
      3. Victor Dyukarev
        +4
        4 March 2015 07: 03
        Of course, at first the hard workers went to the militia, and many officers waited, held onto their posts. so it was in the PMR in 1992. But the guys grew up, learned to command companies, battalions ...
        1. +3
          4 March 2015 07: 55
          Quote: Victor Dyukarev
          Of course, at first the hard workers went to the militia, and many officers waited

          Everything was exactly the opposite. The first to go were the retirees and the Afghans ... But the miners are still not the bulk of the militia. There are, but few.
    2. +4
      4 March 2015 08: 55
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Now, if all the husk and personal showdowns are discarded: Was it really not clear from the very beginning that this is a revolutionary anarchist fighting before the first truce?

      Yes, he’s like a monarchist what
  5. +10
    4 March 2015 05: 10
    Not sure about the objectivity of the above, but the fact is that Strelkov’s time has passed. He was not ready for the scale that this war had acquired. All the more to the solution of rear, economic, humanitarian issues. This is no longer the level of reenactor. Now in the leadership of LDNR are people whom I fully trust.
    "According to their works, judge them"
    1. +4
      4 March 2015 07: 15
      Quote: armored optimist
      "According to their works, judge them"

      It’s not a matter of interfering in public squabbles between former comrade-in-arms. They are officers and they know that this harms their common cause, ambitions need to be dropped, and time will tell.
    2. +7
      4 March 2015 08: 28
      Almost all agree Armored optimizer. But in this interview, Beard has a lot of bile, and offense too. People are just people and the eternal question about the meaning of personality in history.
      The same Boroday would not take place without Strelkov and we would not know Zakharchenko. Well, there can not be a man for everyone, well, he is not a superman, although of course he is a HERO.
      It would probably be more correct to consider the significance of the communities of personalities in history before the truth.
      I will highlight the main conclusion - right now these people are squabbling in front of the whole country, AND AT LEAST ANYONE FRIEND WITHOUT A FRIEND AND WHAT THEY DID, THEY WOULD BE UNKNOWN. Someone was just the first, someone more important, everyone was important and irreplaceable in his role and with his own stupidities, but the matter nevertheless went on. Let's hope that our work will triumph and they will finally reconcile.
    3. +1
      4 March 2015 08: 41
      You are aware that the rector is a hobby - he worked for 10 years in the FSB!
  6. alexboy
    +23
    4 March 2015 05: 14
    Even if everything Boroday told here is true, he should be silent for the benefit of the common cause. And he talked about like dill in Kiev.

    So he has more important things to do for the benefit of the common cause. It's disgusting.
    1. +5
      4 March 2015 05: 48
      Quote: alexboy
      And he talked about like dill in Kiev.
      That's exactly how dill is what should alert and doubt the truthfulness of what was said. Strelkov’s personality is known, the merits are undeniable, therefore everyone who hurts his eyes, glory, go to the forest.
      1. +21
        4 March 2015 07: 55
        Quote: krpmlws
        That's exactly how dill is what should alert and doubt the veracity of what has been said.


        Punishers await Strelkov with fear
        The deputy commander of the anti-terrorist operation headquarters in sector "Valentin Fedichev told in Kramatorsk about two phenomena which" really frightened him ".
        The first is the sending to Odessa of the ex-commander of the DPR army, Igor Strelkov.
        “According to our data, Girkin was going to come to Odessa, aka Strelkov,” Fedichev claims. - After all, he is a professional organizer of terrorist acts, who at one time managed to actually solve the issue of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Lysychansk, Rubezhnoye, where his people went. There were only two “Urals” of these people, under which both the departments of the SBU and the city police department fell. Although the ratio there was incomparable - they could calmly repulse them.
        - So I have a question: sending him to Odessa is that, hope that the experience will be repeated with Slavyansk? It scares me. Truly scary as a soldier. It turns out that behind me there will be a front organized against me!
        Fedichev also wondered:
        - Are the Kharkov partisans small terrorist groups that do not reflect the mood of the citizens of Kharkov, or is it, on the contrary, the tip of the iceberg that we don’t know about?

        Source: http://politikus.ru/events/44660-karateli-so-strahom-zhdut-vozvrascheniya-strelk
        ova.html
        Politikus.ru
        xxxxxxxxxx
        Begin with this! And, interestingly enough - there was hardly a message that they were afraid of Strelkov’s return - revelatory articles immediately ran up again.
        Now is not the time to start a showdown, but after the liberation of the DPR and LPR, I hope in March, then people will sort it out with the current leadership, and who chose whom and how, and "xy out of xy" really.
  7. +16
    4 March 2015 05: 15
    Right now, the urashkas who idolized Strelkov for almost a year will come out, and now they will water him by shit. I would recommend to them, as the classic said, “not to open your lustful mouth,” but to take the machines and go to Donbass.
    1. +16
      4 March 2015 07: 48
      This conformism in the VO is also disgusting. If the article was about Strelkov's merits, the same "watering people" would sing praises to him and admire his courage and patriotism.
      And now, judging by the tone of the comments, the national hero Strelkov sharply faded. So soon they will write to the enemies. Although maybe already? After all, the title of the article symbolizes - "The shooters in fact are already fighting on the side of the enemy."
      1. +14
        4 March 2015 08: 17
        Arrow and everyone who supports it is drowned purposefully.
        Stupidly pour a stream interfering with facts with fiction, often contradicting each other.
        And this sketch is no exception: a mishmash from petty everyday life to conspiracy theories.
  8. +4
    4 March 2015 05: 21
    Something I just can't understand what role Strelkov plays at all, at first it seems like a fighter for a just cause, then he disappeared and now in Moscow something "muddies", maybe someone knows his true face explain
    1. 0
      4 March 2015 07: 48
      If, not knowing what to say, it’s easier to put a minus, and poorly explain the gentlemen of know-it-alls?
    2. +7
      4 March 2015 08: 43
      He is now engaged in humanitarian affairs - the social movement "Novorossiya". They have a website, there are detailed reports where, to whom, what they delivered. hi
      1. +1
        4 March 2015 08: 52
        Well, at least one explained, thanks hi
  9. +20
    4 March 2015 05: 21
    Get your hands off Strelkova. This Russian officer played a key role in organizing the struggle for New Russia. I look here a lot of fans divorced pouring mud at other people who really did a lot for Donbass and protecting people. Such articles are full of crap. Strelkova I think the hero and the point. For Strelkova, the militia speak out positively, and for MMM-schik Baraday is very mottled. Those who pour mud on him are cons from me.
    1. +4
      4 March 2015 07: 01
      No one forbids you to express your opinion, but this does not mean that others should support it. It’s necessary to observe at least some tact.

      Get your hands off Strelkova


      Well, straight "Freedom to Angela Davis".
    2. Victor Dyukarev
      0
      4 March 2015 07: 13
      Get your hands off Strelkova. This Russian officer played a key role in organizing the struggle for New Russia.

      It is one thing to command a company, a battalion, and another - higher. The hat turned out not to fit Senka. And the last statement: "If I commanded the troops of Ukraine ..." - completely crossed out his undoubted merits.
    3. +7
      4 March 2015 07: 50
      Totally agree with you.
      During the defense of Slavic, they prayed for AI
    4. +9
      4 March 2015 09: 00
      I have not heard any positive opinions about Boroday
  10. +4
    4 March 2015 05: 32
    Hmm, but not too early?
    And yet, there is already
    Quote: Stas
    Remove your hands

    Everyone’s personal right, it is possible to say the duty to speak out, but can we wait for other statements, other people who knew both?
    request
    1. +12
      4 March 2015 06: 11
      You are right that everyone can speak out. But pouring mud and objectively assessing the situation are two different things. It amazes me how short people have. Do not be Strelkova in the Donbass, there would be everything as in Odessa or Kharkov. The junta would press everyone to the nail and build along the windowsills. Strelkov gave people hope for upholding their ideals, freedom, honor, their land. And people believed in him and followed him. And this must be remembered.
      1. +6
        4 March 2015 06: 19
        Quote: Stas
        You are right that everyone can speak out. But pouring mud and objectively assessing the situation are two different things. It amazes me how short people have. Do not be Strelkova in the Donbass, there would be everything as in Odessa or Kharkov. The junta would press everyone to the nail and build along the windowsills. Strelkov gave people hope for upholding their ideals, freedom, honor, their land. And people believed in him and followed him. And this must be remembered.

        office games. used a patriot. the script has changed and the patriot is not. patriot in the trash
        here is a rough "official" estimate
        1. +12
          4 March 2015 06: 40
          We watch the original video and draw conclusions. Starikov is lying, telling nasty things about Strelkov, under the guise of patriotism.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G04tXnvKx8Y
          1. +9
            4 March 2015 07: 01
            Quote: Stas
            Old man lies

            lying, that’s the whole point.
            1. Robespierre9
              +8
              4 March 2015 09: 35
              All the Lobachevskys are chasing, that the old people, that the Kurginians, that Posner and the others, this is one office, Svanidze again got through to the "first federal" (Russia), and after that you will tell me that they are enemies with the mound? Don't tell my boots laughing
  11. +12
    4 March 2015 05: 47
    This kurginyanskaya ordering climbs out the second day in a row. =))
    1. +3
      4 March 2015 08: 45
      It is full of his fans)
    2. 0
      4 March 2015 13: 11
      And that kurginyan can order something here? wassat
  12. +6
    4 March 2015 06: 13
    I do not like it all! Time, of course, will put everything and everyone in their place, but the most important thing is that New Russia i.e. DNR and LC exist and are getting stronger, this is good.
  13. +1
    4 March 2015 06: 14
    It is a pity that this happens between the commanders of Novorossia.
    I'm not there, not for me to judge, of course ...
    But, apparently, with Lukyanchenko Strelkov did the right thing. Unreliable was. Reliable people in Kiev would not fall down.
    1. Robespierre9
      +4
      4 March 2015 09: 38
      Beard is not a commander, he is a small six like Pushilin, a PR public relations agent, no more.
    2. +4
      4 March 2015 09: 58
      I myself spoke with Lukyanchenko several times, and he did not express any complaints about the DPR
      If he really did not express complaints about the DPR, then the SBU would be immediately arrested in Kiev.
  14. Kitrouve
    +1
    4 March 2015 06: 18
    all nah! sick of learning how to live! I’m for the button - so that almost everyone will survive - I think the world will be built on real good - so everyone is wise that they themselves do not understand - stsuki - I will survive - God bless me - press the button - open the creature - ...
  15. +7
    4 March 2015 06: 19
    Shooters - Warrior, and Beard, if you use the airborne jargon - the child knows what. And everything else simply stems from this fact.
  16. +6
    4 March 2015 06: 29
    It began, on someone to hang up on the dogs, Borodai excuse me before Igor Ivanovich as before China. Someone at VO already said that they can do Igor Ivanovich (switchman). Often, we like good people to pour mud on it. Interesting is Borodai himself on whose windmill blowing?
    1. +8
      4 March 2015 07: 05
      There is now one wind turbine Akhmetov - Surkov ...
  17. +18
    4 March 2015 06: 52
    Here rot and flooded. The worst thing is that in my gut I understand that Borodai himself is telling half the truth, and this is the worst thing - it is difficult to form a coherent opinion. He (Bearded) has a stigma in the cannon too. I am not praising Strelkov, but a question arises. Why was Strelkov, with his adherence to principles, so appreciated by ordinary soldiers who fought and are fighting for the "ideal" Novorossia and not very much favored by the commanders above the level of the company (battalion), who have their own power, and therefore their interests. In reality, life always takes its toll, replacing the sublime - with everyday, vital. Where is the line, the golden balance - between idealism and practicality, this is a matter of attitudes for each of us. According to my feelings, Borodai made his choice far in the direction of "vital, everyday". I have no right to condemn this choice in a completely negative way, but it is precisely this choice that determines his words and activities today.
    1. +2
      4 March 2015 14: 01
      And there is.
      Rot began Kurginyan. Throwing shit on the fan about the exit of the Slavic group from the boiler. And he continues to smear this rot, forcing Strelka
      and others whom his sect wants to give more and more detailed comments on the topic.
    2. +2
      4 March 2015 14: 23
      The shooter himself said that he had experience in conducting special operations at the level of small groups. For the first time in my life I encountered the need to command large formations. He said that it was given to him quite hard. He is of course a colonel, but a colonel of the FSB, so the regiment never commanded. It has its own specifics. And he was far from staff work, these are again his words.
  18. 0
    4 March 2015 06: 57
    Nobody is going to throw mud at Strelkov. I believe that this is a person who appeared when circumstances demanded it, he became a kind of ideal of Novorossia's struggle for its rights, armed struggle, and in general his merits are great, he was able to raise the people of the LPR and DPR to armed resistance to the APU, somehow inspire him etc. And then we perceived his withdrawal from Slavyansk as a victory, but a good commander does not mean a good minister. In my opinion, he just tried on "not for Senka's hat." Perhaps Strelkov would be a good field commander like Motorola, but being the Minister of Defense is not that for you ..!
    1. +2
      4 March 2015 08: 47
      At that time, there were no other candidates - it was only just beginning. It’s not Khodakovsky the right word
  19. +15
    4 March 2015 06: 58
    In Boroday, in my opinion, there is some regret that Strelkov returned from Slavyansk, which somehow strangely coincides with the position of Kurginyan, and such an article has appeared for the second time in a short time, suggesting who benefits from this?
    1. +2
      4 March 2015 08: 49
      The cassade recently had a very interesting analysis about the situation in Slavyansk and Debaltseve. Analogs of situations were carried out - that is, an initially important position, losing one's role over time, the environment - then one more option, exit almost without loss, the second complete defeat in the end.
    2. +1
      4 March 2015 14: 25
      I don’t know what he’s talking about, but he says that Strelkov then convinced him of the need to leave Slavyansk, and now he’s not going to doubt it.
  20. -5
    4 March 2015 07: 20
    Quote: brasist
    Something I just can't understand what role Strelkov plays at all, at first it seems like a fighter for a just cause, then he disappeared and now in Moscow something "muddies", maybe someone knows his true face explain



    Look in the internet for a lot of interesting things about him surfaced .. There is even a screen of his "gallant texts" from 2010! Where he is very easily just a mess ... t GDP! According to those texts, it can be safely recorded in the fifth column! And even now, what he says is "how he captured the Crimea with the WEAPON .." !!! Guys, wake up! He's just a quiet belolentochnik who failed! It was not just that he was deprived of all titles with the ban on wearing "munidir" !!!! Have you seen many such deprived titles? This is my first time! Well this was how to screw up! And he is now talking clearly not for Donbass and Russia, but just against! According to his conversations, one can decide that everything that Ukrsmi writes is true! fool
    1. +3
      4 March 2015 08: 50
      Yeah, there’s such a math rewind, despite the fact that Strelkov even issued a decree banning the mate in the army) Very dubious texts))
    2. Robespierre9
      0
      4 March 2015 09: 42
      What did you do in 2010? And in 2001? Did you litter someone, huh?
    3. -1
      4 March 2015 11: 04
      Quote: press attache
      Look in the internet for a lot of interesting things about him surfaced .. There is even a screen of his "gallant texts" from 2010! Where he is very easily just a mess ... t GDP! According to those texts, it can be safely recorded in the fifth column!

      Even here at VO in May or early June last year, there was an article with a selection of statements by Strelkov from different years from Transnistria to the present, his views on life, on power, on the state system. Then this article disappeared from the site somewhere, it was apparently deleted, it was painful he spoke out of state power and GDP in the 2010-11 year there. I still thought that he was somehow muddy.
      1. +1
        4 March 2015 15: 49
        Quote: Captain45
        Even then I thought that he was somehow muddy.

        But I remember what "approvals" poured here when Strelkov was in Slavyansk, and now suddenly many "eyes have opened" :-) how it turns out to be easy to manipulate people
    4. 0
      4 March 2015 14: 27
      As far as I know, a certain length of service is needed to retire with a uniform. No length of service, no uniform.
  21. +7
    4 March 2015 07: 59
    Honestly, it’s not that unpleasant - it’s just painful to read such things ... How well it all started - the word “people's” republics were at the head of the idea of ​​struggle ... And now, it turns out, bickering for power, chernukha at each other ... It is very difficult to believe or not to believe in this situation, because we ourselves do not cook in that mess ... However, one thing can be said: there will be no unity between the leaders of the DPR-LPR movements, there will be no victory ...
  22. +11
    4 March 2015 08: 33
    At the moment, Strelkov does not command anything and is not a member of the governing bodies, so his current activities can be left out of brackets. Second, the fact that Strelkov fought without looking back at the local population, without taking into account the humanitarian component, is true, from here you can calculate the attitude towards the militia, while Ukraine was paying, it had supporters and opponents of the militia, since hostilities do not bring buns to the house , and the shells. Third, with regard to the military component, the militia units were scattered and fought the "Anglo-Boer" war, that is, they defended their areas without wide maneuver and coordination, this tactic would have lost to the Ukrainian military machine in any case. Fourth, it is necessary to leave on time and is no longer promoting, especially since the colonels do not command armies and puffs up for more meaning. In general, Strelkov left a generally good impression, for me personally ...
    1. +3
      4 March 2015 08: 58
      Unlike, for example, "General Major" Zakharchenko and from colonels-former gopniks, Givi and Motorola, Strelkov is a real colonel who has undergone real training and several hot spots. So, he already has much more right and experience to command armies than most wedding generals, including in the modern Russian army.
    2. Robespierre9
      -2
      4 March 2015 10: 29
      "Secondly, the fact that Strelkov fought without looking back at the local population, without taking into account the humanitarian component, is true, from here you can calculate the attitude towards the militia, while Ukraine was paying, it had supporters and opponents of the militia, since military operations do not bring home buns and shells. "

      This is the standard of Dill's logic - "if the Donbass people would not mind, they would not be bombed now," you ask: "so you are bombing?", "No, it's you yourself." The fact that it seems (logical) does not mean what happened in reality, the locals did not initially support Dill, and when they bombed and even earlier, if you did not know about it, it is better not to write at all.

      "Third, regarding the military component, the militia units were scattered and waged a" Boer "war.

      The Boers, if my memory serves me, fought very well, better than the militias, I must say, but with the militias a little different, no one supported the Boers .. The reassessment of the military power of Ukraine is also in the style of liberoids, like - they are ass on paper, and we (they mean -wooon then "byd.") nobody, not capable of anything. I hear this from professional mergers (ELMurid and Co) all the time. There is no coverage and the maneuver is not the same - the Ukrainian "bummer" is to blame for everything.

      "Fourth, it is necessary to leave on time and is no longer a PR, especially since the colonels do not command armies and puffs up for more sense."

      And you actually hto? Armies command that in the course of everything? No? And frequently puffed up? Or is it envy? wassat
      1. +2
        4 March 2015 12: 05
        Quote: Robespierre9
        And you actually hto? Armies command that in the course of everything? No? And frequently puffed up? Or is it envy?

        -----------------------
        And who are you? I just expressed my opinion. And you are trying to develop my own vigorous activity on my theses, and even with hanging labels ...
        1. Robespierre9
          -2
          4 March 2015 12: 14
          And you? I do not know with criticism who I’m not climbing on, unlike.
        2. Robespierre9
          -2
          4 March 2015 12: 31
          Eh, why are you screwing a weirdo, you think it’s not visible?
  23. +7
    4 March 2015 08: 48
    And I believe Strelkov!
    And it's strange to me why all the "marshals and generalisimuses" do not see Akhmetov's trace in a dull way, in the whole "Donbass" mess-provocation. All the people who are now in power in the DPR and LPR are, in one way or another, Akhmetov's people. do not understand that, for almost 24 years, Akhmetov is the real master of Donbass. There, in life, his people are EVERYWHERE !!! From the PPSnik, to the heads of administrations, including all the heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU. This is a system that cannot be broken in a year. And all the mess was originally created for bargaining, with Turchinov-Yatsenyuk-Parashenko-Kolomoisha.

    it was Strelkov, with his 50 fighters, who broke the whole game for Akhmetov. And Borodai, and Pushilin, and Khodakovsky, and (especially) Plotnitsky, these are Akhmetov’s people.
    http://nsn.fm/hots/igor-plotnitskiy-biografiya.php
    According to Zakharchenko, I can’t say, but judging by his
    behavior, also agreed with him and he is in the subject.
    And now I’m trying in every possible way to throw Shit on Stralkova. But it’s just that he is not claiming anything!
    1. +11
      4 March 2015 08: 56
      Quote: jekasimf
      And now I’m trying in every possible way to throw Shit on Stralkova. But it’s just that he is not claiming anything!

      ------------------------
      The fact that Strelkov went into depression or lost his composure is quite understandable ... A person struggles with circumstances, without external support, although he counted on broad material and propaganda support from Russia, and in return receives only criticism and envoys in the person of Kurginyan. ..Now, of course, the current leaders are more comfortable in something, from the Russian side there are humanitarian streams and statements "we will not surrender the Donbass militia". What was it like a year ago? Are you sitting in Slavyansk, bombarded with shells from Karachun and hell knows what they are hoping for?
      1. Robespierre9
        -5
        4 March 2015 10: 34
        You don’t have to wishful thinking, you weren’t there to guess something, don’t waste your time, otherwise I’ll start spreading rumors that you are crying in the pillow at night and writing in bed .. (it’s quite likely, right? )
        1. Robespierre9
          -3
          4 March 2015 12: 17
          Fuck, something with this Altona is wrong, there were cons, that all disappeared at once (not the amount, namely the cons), wind up?
  24. +5
    4 March 2015 08: 51
    there is a priest and there is a monk; the priest is strong in the struggle against sin and addiction; monk - against sin and passion; priest begins the truth monk finishes; for the withdrawal of personnel from the surrounded Slavic Strelkova should award at least the title of hero; shooter hero start
  25. +7
    4 March 2015 09: 02
    yes actually the hit on Strelkova really started, pay attention almost simultaneously to many inf. critical articles appeared in resources, 100% order
  26. +11
    4 March 2015 09: 10
    I remind you once again to find out who Strelkov is, watch the movie "Strelok2 Russia 2014". Events are taking place in another country. but they explain a lot about Slavyansk. As for Messrs Pushilin and Borodai, I did not believe them then, and I do not believe them now. These are real market people, that is, the loot is above all for them.
  27. +3
    4 March 2015 09: 19
    Without serious information, it is impossible to figure out what and how actually happened there.
  28. +2
    4 March 2015 09: 32
    To me, the whole discussion about Strelkov inspired only one association - "You know, the banner is red because it is drenched in blood. But this is blasphemy! That's right! So why the hell do we need this banner !?"

    My opinion is that, so that they don’t speak and write now and later, without mentioning El Murid, Kurginyan and many others, modern history will not lose anything, but without Strelkov, Boroday’s understandable business and ..., no .
    Therefore, for me personally, it is unpleasant that "internal showdowns" not only do not stop, but are gaining momentum, both past and new, constantly inspired by the DLNR. Especially between the elected government and the VVD Cossacks. Someone, such graters, as a good reason to gossip, but for the residents of Novorossiya, this is only an increase in anxiety for the fate of the Republics.
    In such cases, all the time you ask yourself: - "Who benefits from it!"
  29. -2
    4 March 2015 09: 36
    Normal Borodai interview. I didn’t feel the desire to "drown" Strelkov and even discredit him, he simply presented his views on the events of the summer of 2014.
  30. +13
    4 March 2015 09: 45
    The right-wing opposition, from among the siloviki (former and current), is the Kremlin’s terrible dream. Who are the liberal democrats from the opposition - slender intellectuals and creative hucksters. They are not dangerous, especially after the imprisonment of Hodor, the death of Birch, and as the last nail in the lid of the coffin of unrealizable dreams - a revealing and humiliating execution of Nemtsov. But right-wing conservatives, all kinds of sovereigns and monarchists who went through many wars in the 90s - 2000s themselves can encroach on the peace of the ruling elite. Of course, the Kremlin is trying to contact, direct and use them, creates parallel structures such as Anti-Maidan, but does not feel comfortable. For the tail (not the system right and left) twists the dog, the policy of the Kremlin, on the issues of New Russia. And Strelkov is the natural leader of opponents of the ruling elites (essentially the same liberal kleptocrats with bureaucrats to the heap), but who hold sovereign positions and defend national interests (in their understanding). During the war, conditional riflemen are allies of the Kremlin. But the war will end (sooner or later), and the paths will diverge, and the sweep will begin, a harbinger of which are statements by Boroday, Kurginyan and others engaged by the Kremlin (in the form of Surkov), political scientists and analysts.
    1. +1
      4 March 2015 20: 20
      Aeneas
      Perhaps the most sane and sensible comment. Properly dotted i. (+)
  31. +2
    4 March 2015 09: 50
    The fact is that Strelkov’s appearance was necessary both for us and the conductors in Ukraine. Therefore, he was promoted by everyone, in the right context for themselves. I expressed my attitude in a recent post on a different topic.
    Of course, they will support the conflict, but for some reason my conviction is growing that they simply will not be allowed, in any case, to win. After the first interviews with Strelkov in Russia, where he talked about the "north wind", I thought about it. Those. pledged Russia. They organized a military confrontation (brought in the troops) and did not disperse the people when they were still chasing the BMP with a cube. Everyone was surprised at the strangeness of the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Slavensk. The interested forces from the other side need a clear presence of the RF Armed Forces. In the summer company, solid stands for boilers. In the Debaltseve cauldron, too, according to the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an intentional loss. Well, not just that, of course, you need a view. In the event of a victory over the republics, our Armed Forces will definitely not be, the order has not been fulfilled and the hotbed of tension will disappear. Of course, they can try to figure something out to raise their spirit and whip up our atmosphere. Or they will try to win in order to free up forces for a direct attack on us, where the reason is Crimea. But I hope that VSN still appeared. Yes, and ours will not give the abyss, especially so that there is no last. Only longing takes anger, it's all the blood of our people. Even from the other side.
  32. +11
    4 March 2015 09: 50
    Something Borodai did not mention why they "left" him, for an hour now, not because he failed a project to link Russian and Akhmetov's business? The only thing that the aforementioned could do in Donbass then. so this is the solution to similar questions
  33. +10
    4 March 2015 09: 58
    And I still believe Strelkov (with all its minuses and pluses) One Slavyansk is just what it costs! And all this mouse fuss-bickering starts again ... Why would all this? hi
  34. +1
    4 March 2015 09: 59
    Poor when nagging inside allies. It's bad when you need to do work, hard boring work, politics interferes.
  35. +14
    4 March 2015 10: 05
    You do not understand, you did not feel it. As in May-July, all of New Russia with bated breath followed Slavyansk. As all people experienced messages that Strelkov was wounded, killed. To tears. Strelkov is a symbol of the struggle for the freedom of Donbass. Everyone wanted him and the defenders of Slavyansk to survive. Definitely, in what he is wrong. But he is clearly a positive hero!
    1. +9
      4 March 2015 10: 31
      I agree that Strelkov is not at all an infallible superhero, not a great commander, which he always emphasized. But the fact that he is absolutely honest, courageous and decent person, I have no doubt. No wonder that in such a short time they collected more than 100 million in aid. People believe Strelkov. I do not always share his position on some issues, everyone has the right to his point of view, but on the whole he is a worthy person. Unlike the same Beard or Kurginyan, who are trying to PR on spraying Strelkov with mud.
      1. Alexan
        0
        4 March 2015 11: 20
        The fact is that Borodai did not start it. Remember Strelkov's assessments of many military operations: "I would have put on trial. I would have shot for this ..." There are always a lot of mistakes in war, where the militias are fighting - all the more so. Even the battalion got it - Givi and Motorola. In general, there was no good word about the Cossacks, but they are still fighting, blood is shed ...
  36. act
    act
    +3
    4 March 2015 10: 20
    It’s too early to write memoirs and memoirs. All of these laundry rinsing interviews are not entirely appropriate right now.
  37. +3
    4 March 2015 10: 30
    Something seems to me that they specially arranged all this bickering. The water is muddied in muddy water, it’s difficult to discern either, what kind of relationships, motives, goals. Meanwhile, they calmly adhere to a certain plan of action.
  38. +4
    4 March 2015 10: 33
    In the comments on my status, Alexander Kots wrote something like this: “Alexander, how can you believe this Beard? Look, he has a polished face. ”

    Kotz was wrong, of course, not polished.
    Borodai's face, as in that joke: And whoever cheats will get it in the face. On a brazen, red face "
    Excuse me smile
  39. +3
    4 March 2015 10: 41
    I am not for Beard and not for Strelkova.
    Time will put everything in its place.
    Perhaps the conversation given above was not even mentioned.
    Now too big bets are being made on information stuffing, with the aim of splitting the militia forces and disinformation of civil society, according to the principle "When there is no agreement among comrades, their business will not go well."
    Each of them made a huge contribution to the development of New Russia.
  40. +3
    4 March 2015 10: 44
    I preferred to refrain from commenting, time will judge! And only time!
  41. +9
    4 March 2015 10: 57
    Personally, I hate to read comments where the authors write, they say, "eyes were opened" to Strelkov ... Correctly one wrote that many have a short memory! And I remember when every day everyone eagerly caught at least some news from Slavyansk - "Well, how is the Shooter?" And they sighed with relief when they read that they are holding on and fighting not like a child ... Who is Borodai? Did he risk his life? When "truces" are concluded, he is right there, giving interviews from right to left. But I remember how in one interview Borodai said that Novorossiya is "an unviable formation" and has no future! So guys, Borodai is a chatterbox, and Strelkov really fought, and it is useless to assent to those who now benefit from criticizing Russian patriot Strelkov ...
  42. +2
    4 March 2015 11: 00
    The principle of the Internet - whoever "craped" the last is right wink
    1. Alexan
      0
      4 March 2015 11: 23
      But why not see who was the first to "rubbish"?
  43. yur58
    +1
    4 March 2015 11: 18
    All these squabbles and showdowns are only in the hands of the enemy, weaken the army and the leadership potential of the South East. Those who do this pour water into the mill of Powder, Rabbit, Turchinov and other proteges of the US State Department.
  44. +6
    4 March 2015 11: 35
    The article is neither a plus nor a minus. The statement of Boroday's opinion provides information for thought, and nothing more. Perhaps the only meaningful thing that Borodai expressed correctly is that Strelkov is not a "system engineer" and not a "field commander-practitioner." Boroday just superfluous confirmed my personal opinion that Strelkov's sharpening is a special operation combining political / military / impulse-mobilization aspects. Slavyansk is a clear confirmation of this. Strelkov rocked the resistance to the junta, and forced the resistance to act without looking back. Only an idealist could succeed here. Pragmatists and systems specialists would take a long time to decide how to organize themselves "competently" and to pro-masturbate all the little time allotted. Strelkov, however, spurred the crisis and provoked a point of no return for Donbass. He did his job, and was able to find the strength to step aside. It is strange that Borodai, also pushed aside, so "reveals the sins" of his fellow political fate, and even extols Khodakovsky, who, according to repeated infa, is still a "Trojan horse". And Strelkov got the mayor off right. Burned a potential "political bridge" between Kiev and Donetsk, at once canceling out all possible separate negotiations. And the fact that the mayor is a business executive and "is not guilty of anything" is demagoguery, such a post should be held by a DPR-vets to the core. We were already singing about "business executives" - there was such a Chernomyrdin, also a "business executive". He was the boss in Russia as part of the American protectorate. Whatever they say, Strelkov-Girkin did his job 100%. And we will leave "the doomed white-officers" in his personal closet. As for the screams about "drain", it is great that these screams were systematically voiced. This formed critical public opinion, and through this, little by little, spurred on the leadership of the Russian Federation, which could well slide into an agreement with the United States and the junta.
  45. vasilupovich67
    +6
    4 March 2015 11: 36
    During the defense of Slavyansk in Donetsk, everyone loosened the rolls and, according to the Khokhlyatsky law, they were waiting for my hut ... If only the number of people who used to go to rest in those places (traffic jams for 1.5-2 hours) went and gave lyule all the time Kharkov could be reached ... But most of them are rotten ... They are waiting for what they will come, they will fight, they will help, they will die for them. And Lukyan sold land in the city and is well off in Kiev .. But no one was really preparing to fight for the city. Neither fortified areas on the approaches of the distant, nikher .. So the batteries are 8 - 12 km from the city and hrenyachat. Shot through though. And the former regionals climb into power. Vilely, however, everything ..
  46. +3
    4 March 2015 11: 44
    mumble, mumble through whom did everyone learn about the mumble? in jo..e saddle until the shooter appeared.
  47. 0
    4 March 2015 11: 57
    After the collapse of the USSR, Gennady Tendetnik continues to serve in the FSB, along the same political line. One of the results of Tendetnik’s activity is the arrival of Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin (future Igor Ivanovich Strelkov) to serve in the FSB in the middle of the 90's. In an interview with Nezavisimaya Gazeta (NG), the tenderer tells us that Girkin turned out to be a defendant in the FSB operative group case, but having stood out with his “intelligence and quick wits”, he was transformed from the defendant into an FSB officer:
    “Igor was taken by chance. The Moscow administration of the FSB had some business with a group of, it seems, monarchists. When the monarchists are sitting somewhere in their kitchen and talking on the subject: “We will bring the tsar, we will take up arms”, then naturally the special services have a question, how likely is it that they really will take up arms. Therefore, they were watched. But all to no avail. They only try: “For faith, the king and the fatherland”, “I have honor”, ​​“Your nobleness” - but nothing more. They don’t go to real actions. And Igor among them stood out with his mind and quick wits. Plus, he had already gone through two wars, and there was a certain reverence for him. Exactly the same reverence originated with my subordinates. They revered him, listened, apparently, and finally met him, and then came to me and said: “Gennady Nikolaevich, there is one good candidate for work. Let’s take it, all the more so since we are sending young employees to Chechnya for a break-in. And he already has military experience. ” When I found out that he was a defendant in the case of operuchetism, moreover in a group, I, of course, had doubts. But it was in 90's, time was dashing. And these two colonels persuaded me. ”
    The story of retired Gen. Gennady Kazantsev, Major General of the FSB (real name Tendetnik), in LiveJournal. The Tendetnik tells this story in LiveJournal, he writes under the nickname detnix, and on January 7 of the 2015 of the year Strelkov and Tendetnik on the AnnaNews air recollect how Girkin served under Kazantsev - http://youtu.be/mcu6P_I4tYg?t = 20m17s
  48. lankrus
    +8
    4 March 2015 12: 07
    What a bend. After all, no one even tries to imagine in what position Strelkov fought. Slavyansk. While in Donetsk they took selfies, they distributed interviews in Slavyansk, they killed. After all, no one even tried to help, neither by people, nor by weapons, nor by release. Donetsk was ready for surrender. Strelkov was originally a pariah. What howl rose when he left Slavyansk and led people out. Initially, Donetsk wanted to surrender, both the leadership of Donchan and the leadership of Russia, only the actions of the West convinced that the concessions were useless, the United States needed a reason. If there weren’t Strelkov in Slavyansk, we would really be fighting for the Crimea now, catch banderlogs in Russia and really have hundreds of times worse conditions. I don’t understand another thing, why does this persecution continue? Liberal revenge for losing?
  49. +7
    4 March 2015 12: 12
    Igor Strelkov has long been fighting in the information war on the side of the enemy

    It is a shame and insulting to tears.
    Both the article and the comments are an information war on the side of the adversary.
    Guys like a bazaar woman! Even if you know something about this internal war, leave the internal war! Solve the inevitable in the war internal problems of the military, at the scene, eye to eye, with an open visor, and not behind each other, in front of the eye of media cameras! How can fighters go into battle, defend their land and their Fatherland, seeing the dirty linen of the commanders on display? And what a joy to the enemies of the Fatherland, your showdown, men, gentlemen couch officers!
  50. Sendi7s
    +4
    4 March 2015 12: 19
    How terrible it all is ... Showdowns, petty grievances, pitting each other, pursuit of cheap popularity, brawls - and the result was the ruined Donbass, the grief of millions of people who lost their normal lives ...
  51. +8
    4 March 2015 12: 31
    To appreciate the significance of Strelkov, you had to be with him at that moment. The article looks like a fake. There are too many young guys howling against him with yesterday’s fight
  52. +6
    4 March 2015 12: 47
    All that remains is to find out which side Borodai is on. It may turn out that his “opponents” will be everyone who went to fight for the truly People’s and Free Russian Republics of Donbass, and not some “people’s” special territories within a unitary pro-European Ukraine, the “Prime Minister” of which is pulled by Akhmetov.
  53. +8
    4 March 2015 12: 52
    Again they attacked Strelkov. You can feel the hand of the Armenian Jew Kurginyan. What a bastard. He ate and drank with the liberals, and now he has retrained as “patriots”. So they are pouring dirt on the orders of the same Surkov and Dvorkovich, who went to kiss Borukh Eidman on the forehead. Well, comrade with liberal views, they robbed the country together. So, as long as this pack is at the helm, there will be no sense in the country. So there will be robbery, theft, matchmakers and bending over to the West. What else can we expect from these renegades .
  54. DPZ
    0
    4 March 2015 13: 15
    old interview or what? Bezler is mentioned and that he has some evidence on Strelkov. and Bezler has been dead for a long time...
    1. DPZ
      +3
      4 March 2015 13: 46
      Damn, I confused Bezler with Batman. God bless you with long days.
  55. +6
    4 March 2015 14: 18
    Not good, gentlemen and comrades. First they put the man on a pedestal, although he himself said more than once that this should not be done. Now let's throw it away. How are we better than the Banderlogs who demolish and desecrate monuments? Yesterday Mozgovoy, today Strelkov, tomorrow who will be VVP?
    For me, Strelkov will only cease to be a hero of Russia if he speaks out against GDP. The fact is that Strelkov postulates himself as a monarchist-power-holder, while VVP is a liberal-power-holder. The difference is not that big in the details of the political superstructure. Only socialists can speak out against GDP, to whom IIS cannot relate in any way. Therefore, the speech of the IIS against the GDP will mean that he lied. He lied from beginning to end, no matter how this speech was covered up.
    BUT THIS IS NOT YET! And I have no right to doubt a man who really fought for his Motherland. At the same time, of course, it is stupid to deny that IIS was in the wrong place at the head of the DPR army. Moreover, he himself admitted that he wanted to leave Donetsk. And he honestly said that the experience of Yugoslavia and Transnistria contributed to this. Isn't it a brave thing to admit your mistakes? It is stupid to say that IIS has become an enemy of Russia. He had a lot of opportunities to “lead” the protest from the patriotic side, to make a deal with the liberals, along the lines of “the enemy of my enemy, although not a friend, but a fellow traveler.” But no Nesmiyans could fool him and turn him against the Motherland, or go out on some kind of “march”.
    I also believe that IIS has every right to be offended, not at Russia, but at the authorities. He received no reward for his Slavic services. From the word "in general". This is ingratitude, black. Yes, he did not hold the city, he violated the order. But there, in a besieged city, not knowing whether there would be help, and even having a negative experience, it was difficult to wait. Moreover, he did not escape alone, did not save his own skin, but brought out all his fighters and many civilians who were threatened by fascist repressions. By the way, this speaks about his attitude towards people and refutes Borodai’s words. So should this make us forget what he did? After all, the future Marshal Konev also started near Vyazma, not at all successfully. But he was not thrown out in disgrace; “bloody” Stalin and “butcher” Zhukov gave him another chance. Was it really difficult to assess the contribution of IIS to the protection of Russians in Donbass? At least somehow, but no, they just threw him out, well, of course, he’s not “one of us.”
    1. 0
      4 March 2015 16: 12
      Quote: alicante11
      I also believe that IIS has every right to be offended, not at Russia, but at the authorities.

      Excuse me, but what kind of power do you mean? What kind of power should Strelkov be offended by? If it’s the power of the LDPR, that’s one question, if it’s the power (read Russia) it’s a completely different question.
      Quote: alicante11
      He received no reward for his Slavic services.

      From whom do you think he should receive an award for Slavyansk? Who should write a nomination for the award for him?
      Quote: alicante11
      Was it really difficult to assess the contribution of IIS to the protection of Russians in Donbass?

      Who should evaluate his contribution? The President of Russia? The authorities of the DLPR? Which government agency of which state officially oversees the “case of protecting Russians in the Donbass”? Please name it. I understand your emotions, but if there are no specific answers to the questions posed, then excuse me, everything else is an empty shock air.
      1. +3
        4 March 2015 16: 44
        Excuse me, but what kind of power do you mean? What kind of power should Strelkov be offended by? If it’s the power of the LDPR, that’s one question, if it’s the power (read Russia) it’s a completely different question.


        Of course, I will even point my finger at the Russian government - personally at the GDP. It's very bad of him. Don’t be a child, the LDPR does not have its own government - only puppets of the Kremlin.

        From whom do you think he should receive an award for Slavyansk? Who should write a nomination for the award for him?


        From GDP, of course, but why is it necessary to indicate “Slavyansk” in the submission? Do we not reward enough sons of oligarchs and top managers for fictitious exploits? Well, award IIS for services to the Fatherland, but what they are is another question.

        Which government agency of which state officially oversees the “case of protecting Russians in Donbass”? Please name


        I am begging you. WHY does everything need to be done officially? Has our state lost the right to secret actions and undercover operations? And the person will be pleased. TNPZ - labor is not wasted. And even more so self-sacrifice for the Motherland.
        1. 0
          4 March 2015 18: 14
          Quote: alicante11
          I am begging you. WHY does everything need to be done officially? Has our state lost the right to secret actions and undercover operations?

          So you answered yourself. You don’t know whether Strelkov was awarded or not, and that’s why you’re indignant. Well, if you officially award it, it means officially recognizing the participation of Russian special services in the Donbass events. Russia needs it if in all the stands Putin, Lavrov, Churkin prove that Russia on the outskirts does not stand in any way. And if he was awarded a secret decree, then we’ll talk about it We’ll find out when, pah-pah, Strelkov is buried (let him live for 120 years). Then why are you making such a fuss about not rewarding him? Oh, they didn’t tell you. Well, sorry, that means they didn’t consider it necessary. See the beginning of the comment.
          1. Robespierre9
            0
            4 March 2015 23: 14
            Don’t be ridiculous, no one was going to reward Strelkov, this is purely a bluff, they would have found the reward if they wanted, we have too many Chechen heroes, Kadyrov is there, etc., it doesn’t bother anyone, but here - no, we can’t, it’s bullshit, and this one too - stop squirming, or you’ll get paid wink ?
  56. +2
    4 March 2015 15: 09
    It’s not nice when everything starts with honest and bright ideals, and then turns into dirt and porn.
    You see, Zakharchenko was selling chickens, and now this too.
    The same Borodai, I don’t remember fighting anywhere on the front line, or getting out of encirclement. He commanded more and more from the headquarters. Or did he also start doing PR because it seemed like he was already going out of print?
  57. Awp
    +3
    4 March 2015 15: 13
    When I read this article on Warfiles, I was at a loss. When I read it a second time, I see that it’s definitely a crapshoot. The question is, why is Strelkov being denigrated? Now Strelkov is engaged in humanitarian aid to Novorossiya. Borodai is a professional manipulator. Now he is engaged in information cover of Donetsk. The goal emerges as follows: I did the job, helped organize the flow of humanitarian aid - thank you, goodbye, you are interfering with sharing.
  58. +1
    4 March 2015 15: 58
    I'm wondering what this comment is for
    Quote: Captain45
    Even here at VO in May or early June last year, there was an article with a selection of statements by Strelkov from different years from Transnistria to the present, his views on life, on power, on the state system. Then this article disappeared from the site somewhere, it was apparently deleted, it was painful he spoke out of state power and GDP in the 2010-11 year there. I still thought that he was somehow muddy.

    received a bunch of minuses. What’s wrong here? Or wasn’t there such an article on the Military Review website with Strelkov’s statements last year? Downvoters, oh, justify your assessments. Or, out of disappointment in your idol, the toad strangled you and now you’re quietly taking off the anger from this with minuses ? lol
    1. Robespierre9
      0
      4 March 2015 23: 08
      Remember who you “hated” in 2011, I’m a lot of people and in 2010 nothing was clear yet, then everything was different, you would have quoted Kurginyan how he loves perestroika, Gorbachev and all that stuff.. The world has changed a lot over the past the last five years, not everything is as clear as you write here.
  59. zanyks
    +5
    4 March 2015 16: 09
    Strelkov is a warrior, not a politician. There's no point in him getting involved in this.
  60. lankrus
    +3
    4 March 2015 18: 46
    It seems that half of the officers’ daughters, the Ukrainian armchair troops and, oddly enough, some foolish cheering patriots are washing Strelkov’s bones. The question is WHY???? It hasn't been there for a long time, it was merged. Nobody remembers the heroic defense of Slavyansk, the way out of encirclement, or the organization of the defense of Donetsk. They found the bastard who poured a bucket of slop on Igor Ivanovich and sucked it off. Bravo, gentlemen, reptiles.
    1. Robespierre9
      +1
      4 March 2015 22: 59
      It’s simple, they check the population to see how short the majority have a memory, as soon as the majority has a short memory for any reason - you can lie, as soon as the main part stops resisting - a powerful information “blow” will follow, and the person will be merged, and the technology will be checked - Well, like, loot (“PR”) wins everything, like that - they’ll screw it up, we’re not idiots. laughing
  61. -3
    4 March 2015 19: 11
    honestly - when I first saw Strelkov, I immediately had a double opinion about him...
    He’s all such a handsome hero, he’s full of charisma... and it was clear that he really liked it - and Channel One shows him, and he’s all modest...
    and each time this feeling intensified. and when he began to throw mud at everyone who, let’s say, “pushed” him out of this mud.... and the mood was decadent.... - I don’t like this person.
  62. +1
    4 March 2015 20: 06
    No need to bullshit Strelkov! It’s better not to raise this topic; it’s not timely now. Otherwise you will have to answer unpleasant questions. For example, if Debaltsevo, as some say, is a victory for Russia over the West, then the capture of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a victory for Obama over whom? And the withdrawal of the Russian armed forces from the border with Ukraine and the immediate beginning of the genocide of the population of Donbass through shelling from all heavy weapons, including Point-U, what do you think it was? So let's wait for our common victory, but for now let the showdown wait...
  63. +2
    4 March 2015 20: 11
    I didn’t even bother to read the article, because you can dig up incriminating evidence on everyone, you didn’t do something, you did something wrong, you said something wrong, etc. and so on.
  64. +3
    4 March 2015 20: 21
    The article is outright nonsense. Borodai is throwing mud at Strelkov. Not interesting. B. Rozhin recently wrote about this interview. Read it, there are answers to some questions http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2067864.html
  65. +4
    4 March 2015 22: 02
    Everything is logical. An article in the color of what was done with the Russian Spring. First, the idea of ​​Novorossiya was removed from the agenda, removing its bearers from the South-East. Now they are clearing information. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a year, Strelkov, for the vast majority, will become just a provocateur, guilty of the blood of thousands of people. Our Kremlin buy-sell sellers immediately had trouble in the Donbass in their throats and they did everything to prevent it from growing. Now they are maneuvering with this “Transnistria”, making peace in front of their partners, looking for options. They don’t care about people, about some Russian World, about ideas, about history, about memory. Loot and houses in the Alps, London and the Cote d'Azur, partnerships and other tangible things are more expensive. That’s why they are killing, informationally for now, the Strelkovs, driving them back into that marginal environment from which Crimea pushed them out.
  66. +2
    4 March 2015 22: 53
    The same information is repeated over and over again. So someone needs it. I would like to believe that “Military Review” has nothing to do with it. Although materials constantly appear here about what a bad person Mozgovoy is, etc. It seems that all this fuss was not without the participation of Kurginyan, who begins to shake at the word Strelkov. Question. Why publish all this at all? Why stir up all these passions? The positions of the parties are known. Meanwhile, they are doing one thing. Maybe it's time to calm down?
  67. 0
    4 March 2015 23: 14
    Since March 2014, all we have heard is how field commanders accuse each other of treason)))) if the shooters are a traitor, then who is the beard? after all, we all started together... wow
  68. +4
    4 March 2015 23: 17
    “Our father turned out to be not a father, but a bitch...”
    Darkness! Both the article and especially the comments are worse than bullshit nonsense, they make heroes out of shit, but in our country, on the contrary, they make heroes out of them! The “children of the 20th Congress” have just gathered. The most rampant are those who previously portrayed AI as nothing less than St. George the Victorious and with a halo, of course! And he sculpted poems below. And now, how come I didn’t notice... the enemy... and what a look they saw... and I told you even then! There is nothing to distinguish it from the “kitchen democrats” of the 80s, a living example of how they fought against the “cult of personality”, and even earlier they shouted in one hot country “Crucify him!”
    I don’t understand: is the Kremlin’s policy towards the LDPR impeccable, super simple, or upon closer examination looks like a scam?! If it’s impeccable, then watch the video of Debaltsevo’s grandmothers scraping Khokhlyat’s scraps out of jars at the Ukro garbage dump! But they were the ones who built everything that the current leaders show off with! Factories, mines, schools, hospitals, oil were explored! Why are there the same thieves, bribe-takers and embezzlers in the government over and over again if His Serene Highness has nothing to do with it? Is Russia in charge of the LDPR or not? If he is in charge, why is there no single headquarters and there is chaos and internecine fighting? It’s like a victory, what would these miners have been able to do without us, and if it’s a mistake, then you mean we’re not there! And as for Strelkov, I think that he is right in plunging the Kremlin into his own, or is it better to remain silent and shoot himself?! And for lovers of zugzwangs and other chess games or Chinese stratagems in which Putin is supposedly an ace, then do not forget that they are not wooden figures, but living people, our people and the best people once rose up and fought!
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  70. 0
    5 March 2015 04: 49
    Eh-heh-heh, I believe it again, I don’t believe it.
    Dear forum members, purely situational, this is not the first civil war in history, and please tell me, at least here, who do you remember from the heroes of the Civil War?
    request
  71. +1
    5 March 2015 13: 50
    Kotovsky, Parkhomenko, Kikividze, Mironov, Budyonny, Azin, Dundich, Makarov, Mokrousov, continue further Comrade Cynic?
    1. 0
      5 March 2015 18: 08
      Quote: Razvedchik
      Kotovsky, Parkhomenko, Kikividze, Mironov, Budyonny, Azin, Dundich, Makarov, Mokrousov,

      shot 6 August 1925
      killed in action January 3, 1921
      killed in action January 11, 1919
      On February 13, he was arrested and killed on April 2, 1921, by the way, the commander of the 2nd Cavalry, which few people know about, let alone remember...
      died October 26, 1973, commander of the First Cavalry, Marshal of the Soviet Union, three times Hero of the Soviet Union
      died in captivity in February 1920
      killed in action July 8, 1920
      died in captivity in the fall of 1943, commander, regiment commander in the 1st Cavalry (if he)
      died October 28, 1959
      I think you now understand my implicitly expressed opinion more clearly.
      hi
  72. 0
    8 March 2015 10: 22
    Borodai is the most honest man in the World! He even showed me the certificate. It was written: “I beard to believe!” and below the signature: “The Lord God, he is Allah!”
    And who are: Strelkovs, Batmans, Bolotovs..... I'm sick of this Donbass! They put us in an uncomfortable position in front of our partners... They were told in Russian: “We will save the Russian world, just not now... Now is the moment that’s inconvenient... And as soon as the moment comes, it will happen right away... And there are plenty of other things to do... the Jewish world needs to be saved from the Arabs, the Arab world from the Jews, there are some problems in Kyrgyzstan, the partners are not doing well with gas, things are just making your head spin......
    1. 0
      8 March 2015 11: 05
      Quote: Warrior Hamilton
      And who are: Strelkovs, Batmans, Bolotovs...

      Forgot to mention the Phantom, some didn't _
      An attempt was made on the life of the commander of the Prizrak brigade near Lugansk.

      http://lifenews.ru/news/150927
  73. 0
    10 March 2015 15: 20
    There is a good saying - “Spring will show who is where s..l!” And now is not the time to engage in squabbles.
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