Operation "Battleship". Part two

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By the beginning of Operation “Battleship”, the forces involved in it already included more than 50 ships: transport, military, and auxiliary. All of them were divided into two convoys. 25 April 1942 of the year Durban launched the first of them - it was called the convoy "Y". It consisted mainly of low-speed vessels — both of the special landing craft Bachakero and Dervent, six transports, a tanker and a hospital ship. They were accompanied by the cruiser Devonshire, three squadron destroyers, minesweepers and various auxiliary ships. The task of the convoy was to go through the Strait of Mozambique during the week and drift a hundred and fifty miles west of the northern tip of the island of Madagascar. Here at the starting position they had to wait for the approach of the main forces.



Three days later, the second Z convoy left the port, carrying five assault and three military vehicles, as well as the main strike forces of the operation: the battleship Ramillis, the aircraft carrier Illastries, the cruiser Hermione and six destroyers. Vice Admiral Neville Sifret and Airborne Force Commander Major General Robert Sturges were aboard the battleship. Both convoys merged and drifted at the latitude of Diego Suarez on May 3. Here, another Indomiteable aircraft carrier and two destroyers approached them from the north. These ships were transferred to Sifret from the Eastern Forces fleetoperating in the Indian Ocean.

Attention is drawn to the utmost caution with which the British command acted, despite the enormous advantage in forces. Obviously, the possible presence (or sudden appearance) of Japanese forces in this theater was taken into account. So, it was decided to land a landing not from the east - from the Gulf of Diego Suarez, but on the west coast. Closing it almost solid, in several rows, reef barriers required more time to disembark. In general, they made it extremely risky, but it was easier to detect enemy submarines here.

Diego-Suarez Bay has a narrow entrance from the east from the Indian Ocean - a strait half a mile wide, protected from the south by Fort Orange. And, besides, the edges of the strait are replete with reefs (they also make the northern shores of the bay unsuitable for shipboarding). The bay has four bays, diverging in all directions from the central lagoon. Actually Diego-Suarez is actually divided into two cities by a narrow internal strait leading into the south-western bay. The north-western part of the city (mostly poor neighborhoods of wooden buildings) is located on the peninsula of Andrakak. The administration, seaport and naval base is the southern part of the city - the Antsirana peninsula (Antsiranana), which gave the modern name to the city.

The main forces of the assault force (“commandos” from the Royal Marine Corps and the 29-I infantry brigade) were supposed to land on the Courier Bay, separated from the bay by a narrow isthmus. Their task was to rapidly seize the northwestern part of Diego-Suarez and the fort Cap Diego. Since the isthmus and the bay were mostly well-swept by coastal artillery, speed and surprise were the most important conditions for success.

Another landing force (17th brigade), reinforced tanks, had to land south - in the bay of Ambararat. His task was to seize the port and naval base. To do this, it was necessary to overcome a considerable distance (through forests and plantations, overcoming the possible resistance of the French troops) and break through to the southern outskirts of the city. And finally, the 13th brigade, smaller in number and the weakest in armament, was to land the second wave the next day on May 6, in order to support the main forces.

At the same time, part of the warships, having rounded Cape Amber (the northern tip of the island), were to approach the bay from the east.
At three o'clock in the afternoon of May 4, a hundred miles from Cape Amber, the main forces, following a signal from Ramillis, headed for the coast.

The cruiser Hermione went the fastest - he was supposed to conduct a demonstration in the morning of 5 using lighting and smoke projectiles on the opposite, east bank in order to divert the enemy’s attention from the actual landing site for a while.

On the night of May 5, the warships stopped at the outer barrier of the reefs, waiting for the backward transports. During this time, the destroyer "Laforey" was able in the dark to pass through a narrow winding passage between the reefs, which the French considered impossible, and marked the fairway. Behind him, Winchester Castle and other ships headed the landing craft of Courier Bay. Just before dawn, they stood at the shore, ready for disembarkation.

Despite the fact that at night minesweepers destroyed two mines from a barrier in the bay, their enemy explosions did not wake them up. The advanced commando group seized the old Fort Windsor Castle on the north shore of the bay with little or no resistance. His coastal battery (four 138-mm guns) was the greatest danger to the landing, after riffs and mines. The Commandos captured almost the entire garrison of the fort - about 300 people. The units of the 29 Brigade landed on the shore. The path to the opposite bank of the Diego-Suarez Bay was clear.

At the same time as the landing of the assault forces, the Fairy Albacore bombers took off from the decks of aircraft carriers. The main blow they inflicted on the airfield Arrashar. The Grumman F4F Wildcat (or Martlet) fighter-bombers who escorted them did not allow the French fighters to take to the air. They covered the landing area and stormed the location of anti-aircraft batteries. On the ground, five “Moran Sunier 406” and two “Pote 63-11” were destroyed. "Fairy Swordfish" in three groups of six cars attacked targets in the harbor of Diego Suarez. The first group (torpedo bombers), dispersed, began to circle in the dark over the port water area. First of all, they were interested in the D'Antrcasto advice note and the auxiliary cruiser Bougainville. The French sailors partly facilitated their task by opening fire from anti-aircraft guns, and thus finding the location of their ships. Four torpedoes, issued in the advice, passed by or under it, after which D'Antrcasto approached the coast under the cover of coastal anti-aircraft batteries. And “Bougainvillea” was unlucky - he got one hit, gave a lurch to the port side, and then exploded.

Operation "Battleship". Part two


The second group, Suordfish, dropped deep-seated bombs and also achieved success, hitting the Bevezier submarine. The boat was removed from the anchor and maneuvered, submariners fired anti-aircraft fire. They were intensively supported by anti-aircraft gunners from the cargo transports standing nearby, but they did not manage to save the boat. Already after the attack, the Bevezier sank, eight people from its crew died.

The third group dumped leaflets with an ultimatum on the city, in which the word "honest gentlemanly" was given that the British have friendly intentions "and after the victory the island will be returned to France." However, after the flyers on the coastal batteries and moorings fell bombs.
Meanwhile, the entire first half of the day, the main forces of the landing force were concentrated on the shore of the Courier Bay. The transports continued to go through the main passage between the reefs. The minesweepers also cleared other fairways, but around noon the corvette "Orikjula" was blown up by a mine. (He sank the next day. It was the only ship of the British fleet lost during the operation.)

After that, the remaining units began to be transported to the coast by landing barges from an external raid. This circumstance, together with the increased wind, slowed down the landing (it lasted until the evening), but did not stop the units of the 29 Brigade, already ready to march - their number was about 2000 people. By May 17 5 watches, they occupied the north-western part of Diego-Suarez (Andrarac peninsula) - and again almost without resistance. Thus, the first landing fully performed its task in strict accordance with the plan of operation.

It was heavier than the second landing force, which landed to the south, in the bay of Ambararata. The landing itself went almost without difficulty and even faster than at the Courier.

The only delay was due to the “Bachakero”, or rather its ramp, which turned out to be too short (the coastal strip had unstable unstable soil with numerous depressions filled with water at high tide). Coming close to the shore of the bay, this transport managed to land only "Valentine". Cars and tractors with artillery guns could not overcome the unstable ground. In search of a suitable site the ship lost the whole day. In the end, the captain of "Bachakero" made a risky decision. He ordered at full speed rush to the shore. Subsequently, this case significantly influenced the design and tactics of using large landing ships, but this time it was the reason that the British heavy artillery lagged behind the main landing forces almost a day.

Already in 9.30, units of the 17 Brigade, reinforced with armored vehicles, began to move eastward along a single road, surrounded by wooded hills, very convenient for stopping the convoy or setting up an ambush. Fortunately for the British, the French did not have sufficient forces here. They rightly believed that to capture the southern part of Diego-Suarez, the British would be much more comfortable to land on the eastern shore. From there, first, closer, and second, the terrain is flatter.

Only in 11 hours a small detachment of guards, seeing the British advance on the road, opened fire. The terrain conditions allowed the French troops to detain the enemy for a long time, even with small forces, but the outcome of the collision was quickly decided by the Valentine. Tanks made a proper impression, forcing the defenders to fold weapon. The unexpected success that followed the successful landing made the English so self-confident that they were not afraid to reveal their location to the enemy. They sent a captive French officer to Diego-Suarez demanding immediate surrender. However, the commander of the garrison, Colonel Edwar Klerbu, was already engaged in organizing the defense of the southern part of the city and the naval base, despite the serious losses caused by the morning raid. Now, having learned which way the British were on, he managed to quickly arrange an ambush on their way. At this time, four light tank Mk VII, burst far ahead, were hit, and their crews were captured. By evening, the fashion show completely ceased to resemble a light walk. At the southern approaches to the city, the British reached a narrow place called Bon Nouvel, which was a narrowing watershed between swampy rivers that flow into the bay on both sides of the southern outskirts of the city. All the roads leading to Diego-Suarez from the depths of the island converged here between two forts.

Artillery would be very useful here, especially the four 94-millimeter howitzers, which at that time were just being taken ashore from Bachakero. But the French had here as two batteries of 75-millimeter field guns. Nevertheless, five "Valentine" broke through the space swept from the forts, but the infantry was cut off. As a result, these tankers were captured. Despite the arrival of the rest of the tanks, the British failed to advance before dark.



Meanwhile, D'Antrcasto, taking advantage of the lack of English aviation, began to shell the British position on the Andrakak peninsula. However, in the evening, “Swordfish” from the aircraft carrier “Illastries” unexpectedly appeared from the west over the bay and attacked advice notes with 227 kg bombs. Due to a direct hit, D'Antrcasto was forced to throw himself ashore. Then there were two more raids, but the crew left the ship only the next day, after artillery shelling from the destroyer Laforei.

All this day, French aviation practically did not offer any resistance, except for reconnaissance flights, during which two aircraft were lost. The losses of the British carrier-based aviation also amounted to two cars: one Albacore and one Suordfish were shot down over the bay and their crews were captured.

At night, using the darkness, the destroyer "Anthony" was able to enter the bay and land several dozen commandos in the port. They managed to free the pilots and they returned home in the morning.

At dawn on the 6 in May, the 29 Brigade, reinforced by parts of the 17 Brigade that approached the night, resumed the assault on the French positions in Bon Nouvelle. Bloody battles and artillery duels continued throughout the day, but due to the fact that the British had to attack almost in the forehead no noticeable result was achieved. The Albacores, who bombed the forts several times a day, did not help either. Two battalions of the South Lancashire regiment managed to get around Bon Nouvel from the left flank, having infiltrated through the swampy jungle. But because of the malfunction of the radio, they could not develop success and were forced to return, having suffered losses.

The paratroopers who occupied the north-western part of Diego-Suarez were also unable to provide support to the attackers. The strait separating the city turned out to be an insurmountable obstacle for them due to the fire of coastal batteries.

The only success of the English on this day can be considered three "Pote 63-11", shot down over the bay.

Only successful actions of commandos could provide a way out of the existing equilibrium. In English sources it is usually indicated that it was they who ultimately decided the outcome of the operation.

Indeed, in the evening, "Anthony" with fifty commandos on board again managed to get into the bay. This time it was shelled by the coastal batteries, but the British again managed to land troops and even destroy the only searchlight of the French. After that, the destroyer left at full speed, and the paratroopers staged indiscriminate firing at the piers. Having lost only one person, they penetrated deep into the deserted city and seized the arsenal building. In addition to a large number of weapons and ammunition, the marines found and freed there about fifty British prisoners. This brilliant operation led to the confusion of the French and is believed to have forced them to surrender. However, at the same time, the British launched a night attack on Bon-Nouvel. Suddenly, the French (that is, mainly Malgashi) ceased resistance, although they did not know about the captured arsenal. The true reason for which they suddenly didn’t want to fight is still unknown. But, anyway, by 3 hours of the morning 7 in May the port city and naval base were completely captured, the army and naval commanders of the French surrendered. Resistance during the day provided only a few small garrisons of the forts on the shores of the bay.

In describing all of these events, British sources avoid the details of the two night raids of the destroyer Anthony to a well-guarded port, as well as with the successful landing of commandos. Obviously, the British command had, at a minimum, a French secret fairway map, and possibly its own people in the garrison. The fact is that the destroyer needed not only to walk for a quarter of a mile in view of the battery of Fort Orange, and then come close to the coastal batteries guarding the port, but also to avoid minefields. (By the way, Orangay capitulated with one of the last 7s in the evening in May, and only after Ramillis approached the shore and made several shots of the main caliber for the fortifications of the fort.) Thus, the British secret services in this operation also turned out to be height. Note that after the surrender of all the French garrisons, the British spent two days trawling the bay, the straits and the approaches to the bay. And even after that, at first, the Polish transport Sobesski was first pushed in (the Poles, for some reason, are very proud of it), and the rest ships came after it.

The fate of two other French submarines was tragic. At the time of the British landing, Le Hero was on the open sea 500 miles from Madagascar, escorting transports to Djibouti. Having received a radiogram about the beginning of the invasion, the submarine lay on the opposite course. On the morning of May 7 in the area of ​​Courier Bay “Le Herault” attacked the aircraft carrier Illustries from the surface position, but it was discovered by Soordfish, which carried out anti-submarine patrols. The boat went too late for an urgent dive and was seriously damaged. A fitted Jenista corvette picked up submariners from the 37 water, the remaining 24 drowned or were eaten by sharks.

The third Monge submarine returned to the combat area only on May 8 from Reunion Island. Her crew did not know about the invasion, but, finding the enemy ships, also attacked the Illustries. Destroyers rushed towards the "Active" and "Panther". They accurately hit the target depth charges. No one escaped from the 69 crew members.



During the fighting under Diego-Suarez, the French side lost 167 people killed and missing (among them 119 sailors) and 343 wounded. The already weak forces of the French aviation were virtually destroyed: the British shot down or destroyed sixteen Moran-Saulnier 406 and four or five Pote 63-11 in the stands. The same fate befell the available forces of the French fleet. The losses amounted to auxiliary cruiser, an advice and three submarines. The advice d'Iberville and the fourth submarine “la Glorieux” managed to break through to bases in the southern part of Madagascar, and then went to Toulon.

During the three days of fighting, the British lost about 100 killed and 300 wounded, four aircraft and one corvette.

So British control over the port and base Diego-Suarez was established. The fighting on the rest of the island of Madagascar with significant interruptions continued for another six months. Despite the hopelessness of the resistance, Governor Armand Leon Anne rejected proposals for surrender and joining the Free French. In the summer, additional units of the South African British Army were transferred to the island, and they had to carry out grueling combat operations against the partisans. Finally, the French administration capitulated only on November 5. But all these events on the island no longer had a significant impact on the course of the war. Much more important was the need to keep in Madagascar impressive naval forces, far exceeding any landing needs for support from the sea. These ships, of course, were very necessary in other theaters. But the desire to preempt a possible Japanese invasion forced the British command to hold a powerful squadron here. The appearance of Japanese submarines in the summer off the coast of Mozambique seemed to confirm these fears. (One Japanese torpedo even hit the Remillis parked in the bay, but it did not sink.) However, the French did not wait for the approach of large forces and the landing of the Japanese.

And in conclusion, we will repeat that this was the first in the Second World War classic operation on the landing of troops, equipped with tanks and artillery, on an unequipped coast. Subsequently, Churchill wrote about her like this:

“According to the secrecy that surrounded his planning, and to the accuracy of tactical execution, the Madagascar episode was an example of a combined landing operation. The news of him came at a time when we were in dire need of success. In fact, for many months this episode was the only example of good and skillful leadership of the war. ”
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  1. +6
    6 January 2015 14: 06
    Indeed, little is written about this, but Vichy France (officially recognized, by the way, by the United States) was an ally of Hitlerite Germany and fought on her side not only in Madagascar, but also in North Africa and Southeast Asia. I fought badly, yes, but fought. Here is such a "winner" of Germany ...
    1. +5
      6 January 2015 14: 24
      The French even contrived from Syria
      bomb Tel Aviv in the summer of the 41st ... with the victims.
      Their energy would be yes on the other side recourse .
      1. +2
        6 January 2015 14: 27
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Their energy would be yes on the other side
        so in the other direction, during the operation "Musketeer" worked ...
    2. +3
      6 January 2015 20: 48
      Quote: Aleksander
      Indeed, little is written about this, but Vichy France (officially recognized, by the way, the USA) was an ally of Nazi Germany and fought on its side not only in Madagascar, but also in North Africa and Southeast Asia.

      Yet Vichy France was not an ally of Germany, her government pursued a policy of neutrality. But in fact, Vichy’s policy, yes, served the interests of the Germans.
      Formally, in Madagascar, of course, the French were by no means allies of Germany, formally they simply defended their territory from the aggression of the aggressor, which in this case were the British. Well, in fact it was like that - the Vichy government, of course, could not hold the French colonies in their hands, and they were dribbled by everyone who was not lazy. But only if the British acted as the aggressor, the French fought, and very often - fiercely. But if their colonies were occupied by Germans or Japanese - the French armed forces sat like a mouse under a broom.
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      2. +1
        6 January 2015 23: 25
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Yet Vichy France was not an ally of Germany, her government pursued a policy of neutrality. But in fact, Vichy’s policy, yes, served the interests of the Germans.


        You're right i missed the word "actually" France was an ally of Germany (fighting everywhere against the troops of the anti-Hitler coalition). In addition, the Vichy government offered Berlin the participation of French troops in the war against the USSR.
        1. +2
          7 January 2015 22: 30
          Quote: Aleksander
          In addition, the Vichy government offered Berlin the participation of French troops in the war against the USSR.

          I'm afraid to lie, but in my opinion the number of Frenchmen on the eastern front was ... let's say, a noticeable amount.
    3. Kassandra
      0
      7 January 2015 17: 55
      not they started. the first to be attacked by the British, and almost everywhere.
      1. +1
        7 January 2015 22: 31
        Quote: Kassandra
        not they started. the first to attack them were the British

        The Germans were the first to attack them.
        1. Kassandra
          +1
          7 January 2015 23: 20
          Vichy France emerged from the war immediately attacked by the British.
          1. +3
            8 January 2015 23: 37
            Quote: Kassandra
            Vichy France emerged from the war immediately attacked by the British

            :))) Of course you're right. But you completely forget about the conditions under which and under what circumstances France withdrew from the war. You forget that the peace treaty of the Vichy government was one of the most idiotic documents in the history of France.
            France had every opportunity to capitulate, abstracting from its own colonies and fleet. Those. like yes, continental France certainly surrenders, but after all, the nizadach, the colonies and the navy for some reason decided not to obey the Vichy and are ready to continue the fight ... Darlan had ALL the possibilities. He did not use one. For an extremely dubious opportunity to "steer" a part of France, Vichy sold EVERYTHING.
            1. Kassandra
              -1
              9 January 2015 00: 13
              France simply surrendered and that's it ... and the colonies, represented by de Gaulle, then themselves "abstracted" as they wanted.
              1. +2
                9 January 2015 00: 34
                Excuse me, are you generally a story like? Well, at least a little? Out of the corner of my eye?
                Aren't you ashamed to write such a heresy?
                1. Kassandra
                  -1
                  9 January 2015 01: 27
                  are you international law? and then the level in politics, like that of the courtyard punks ... however, these are now running the show in it - there is someone to "learn" from, in addition to television ...
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2015 17: 33
                    Quote: Kassandra
                    and you are international law?

                    And what international law allowed the French to fight the British in Dakar and Madagascar but prevented Germany from confronting Africa and Japan in Asia?
                    Quote: Kassandra
                    and then the level in politics, like a yard punks.

                    Don't transfer your ideals to the past. Neither Japan, nor Germany, nor Italy, nor Poland, nor Britain, nor the USSR shunned the use of force in politics. Or refusal to provide assistance to an ally - if we recall the "strange war" of France.
                    1. Kassandra
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                      21 January 2015 04: 31
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Do not transfer your ideals to the past.

                      Do you have any? Although, what kind of demshizovoy yard punks can have ideals ... France have you already become an ally of Japan in WWII?
                      1942 is not 1940, when the crimes of the English before the French already took place. after that, it made no sense to harness for the British in the Pacific.
  2. +3
    6 January 2015 16: 30
    And on the eastern front, the French noted, volunteers.
  3. +6
    6 January 2015 17: 26
    How proud are they "spit"in the coffee to the invaders!
    Let us honor the glory of the French sailors who did not surrender on treacherous terms, the French pilots who did not agree to internment, and who fought valiantly throughout the war; French infantry, tank and gunners who were loyal in Dunkirk but returned later; French partisans - "poppies"; French underground workers who worked in the interests of the USSR and its allies!
    But we must not forget about the stinking republic of Vichy, about the huge number of collaborators, about the very workers who drove to the front day and night - against us! - armored and aircraft. We must not forget all those who fed, watered, welcomed, appeased, and provided all the necessary for the Nazis. Until danger passed (until 1944), the valiant and proud France proudly hid its valor in a French hollow.
    1. +2
      6 January 2015 20: 31
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      But we must not forget about the stinking republic of Vichy

      And the French volunteers who died on the Borodino field in 1941, too, should not be forgotten. On occasion, the second side to Mistral must be moored.
    2. +3
      6 January 2015 20: 41
      By the way, the Reichstag (the last, as it were, a stronghold of Hitlerite Germany) was defended to the last by the French SS men from the Charlemagne division (Charlemagne). Here is such a symbol ....
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    4. +8
      7 January 2015 09: 34
      "who turned out to be devotees in Dunkirk, but then returned" ///

      It struck the British: many French soldiers together
      with the English were with great difficulty transported to
      England They were naturally invited to enter into the emerging
      De Gaulle's army. Almost everyone refused! They asked to let them go home.
      They were released. After the Gestapo returned, they were checked, almost all
      let go home.
      But in 1944, when Marshal Petain announced enrollment in French
      Waffen SS divisions, recruiting stations bursting with volunteers!
      Moreover, on the Eastern Front, where they were all sent, they showed
      high stamina, as if they were notorious Nazis.
      If they showed such resistance in 1940 ... fool
  4. +5
    6 January 2015 18: 08
    first, Polish transport “Sobesski” was launched forward (for some reason, the Poles are very proud of this)
    If we had done this, ours would still have been shouting about "Russian treachery and heartlessness" ...
  5. +1
    7 January 2015 18: 39
    You know, it's quite difficult to give up stereotypes. When I had to read a book about the squadron "Normandie" by François de Jofre in the late 60s, I did not quite understand the difficulties, how they and why they fled North Africa. Now everything is clear for a long time. Then I read and found out in documents that the Allied landing in North Africa was opposed by the troops of Vichy France. So, not everything is so simple ...
    1. +2
      8 January 2015 14: 16
      Quote: moskowit
      When I had to read a book about the squadron "Normandie" by François de Jofre in the late 60s, I did not quite understand the difficulties, how they and why they fled from North Africa.

      As a child, I watched the film "Normandie-Niemen", there this moment was also somehow gently bypassed, with a couple of phrases and that's it. Then we were friends with France ...
  6. +2
    8 January 2015 11: 36
    The French suffered a great deal from the British in September 1940, when the French battleships shot the English squadron in ports in northern Africa. Then, in 1942, the Americans again finished off their fleet with their Massachusetts liquor. The French remained sedimented and De Gaulle later had problems with the reunification of France.
    1. +2
      8 January 2015 14: 27
      Quote: Sem Faraday
      The French really inherited from the British in September 1940,

      Not only. In general, the French fleet in WWII got it from almost everyone. Perhaps only the Italians and the Japanese were not noted.
      1. Kassandra
        -3
        8 January 2015 16: 12
        ... Is the USSR "noted" in this?
        1. +3
          8 January 2015 17: 12
          Quote: Kassandra
          ... Is the USSR "noted" in this?

          Is that just a lunge? Or should I answer?
          1. Kassandra
            -3
            8 January 2015 20: 49
            any correction is perceived as an attack? in this case - it is necessary laughing
            1. +2
              8 January 2015 23: 43
              Just, as I think, before you write something, you need to read at least something. The USSR fleet did not have the slightest opportunity to somehow influence the French, and the mention of the USSR in this context does not make the slightest sense. Like the vast majority of your remarks, excuse me.
              1. Kassandra
                -4
                9 January 2015 00: 17
                The Soviet fleet could influence the French - the submarines made a round-the-world transition ... but without doing it they had a very significant impact on the entire war with just two torpedoes (Tirpitz and Gustlova).

                you follow your "cues" better ... then someday maybe I will forgive.
                1. +3
                  9 January 2015 00: 46
                  Quote: Kassandra
                  The Soviet fleet could influence the French - the submarines made a round-the-world transition ... but without doing it they had a very significant impact on the entire war with just two torpedoes (Tirpitz and Gustlova).

                  My dear man, well, you got me with your ignorance.
                  First of all, Pre-war the round-the-world transitions of our submarines you dreamed of only under the influence of the strongest narcotic substances.
                  And so, for a second, the first round the world was made by the crew of "Triton", commanded by Edward Beach in 1960. The Americans exactly copied Magellan's route. On February 16, a US submarine left the New London naval base, sank deep off Long Island, and headed for St. Peter's. Having descended to the Drake Passage, the Yankees rounded Cape Horn, crossed the South Pacific Ocean, passed the straits of the East Indies, the Indian Ocean and headed north. On May 10, Triton returned to base, covering approximately forty-one thousand miles in eighty-four days.
                  Secondly, the submarines in WWII were NOT considered a means of destroying the enemy fleet. Therefore, our submarines in theory could wind at least 40 equators around the waterline - there would be no sense in this.
                  Thirdly, Tirpitz WAS NOT torpedoed by Lunev. The fact is, as it were, well-known.
                  Fourth, Gustlov’s torpedoing had NO effect on the war, nor could it have
                  Quote: Kassandra
                  you follow your "cues" better ... then someday maybe I will forgive.

                  I can’t convey how much I need the forgiveness of the next
                  "But the cheap one had ambition with him,
                  And the goat tenor was with him "(V. Ryabov)
                  inadequacy, which seems to him that he knows something about history.
                  1. Kassandra
                    -4
                    9 January 2015 01: 45
                    But how did large submarines end up in the Far East? by rail?

                    "Tirpitz" was toped by Lunin and not by Lunev ... love
                    on Gustlov, all trained crews for boats of the XXI series died, and their non-participation (120pcs) in the war for this reason was very important.

                    maybe it’s just that you’re just Natsik or do you have something on the British flag? bully
                    or are you in nature a meteorite shell-shocked? laughing
                    1. +1
                      9 January 2015 13: 31
                      Submarines Series
                      "Pike" disassembled into compartments and sent by rail to the Far East. The first gathered in Vladivostok. Initially, the Pacific Fleet consisted mainly of submarines. The USSR did not come across directly with the French in the clashes.
                      The only thing they did not give us was the last third Black Sea battleship, withdrawn by the Wrangels. He remained in Bizerte.
                      1. Kassandra
                        -1
                        9 January 2015 13: 57
                        Submarine "S" came under their own power in wartime conditions.
                        and it is known why it consisted mainly of submarines?

                        it was written to the fact that he could run into French, but then he did not seem to come across ...

                        Italians and Japanese, by the way, were noted to a minimum.
                      2. +1
                        11 January 2015 17: 16
                        Quote: Kassandra
                        Submarine "S" came under their own power in wartime conditions.

                        Which, I wonder, "S" came to the Pacific Fleet in wartime? Maybe we are talking about the submarines who left the Pacific Fleet during wartime? laughing
                        Explain at the same time, do not be shy, what kind of spreading effect could the transition of our submarines in 1942-43 have on the NEWLY France?
                      3. Kassandra
                        0
                        21 January 2015 04: 22
                        such...

                        and where does the 1942-43 year? The USSR had long-range boats before that.
                    2. +1
                      11 January 2015 17: 03
                      Quote: Kassandra
                      But how did large submarines end up in the Far East? by rail?

                      laughing Exactly by rail, with the subsequent assembly of individual sections at Dalzavod. That's why I love our jingoistic patriots - well, you don't read books, okay, but is it really too lazy to type in a search engine? Or has Google banned? Although, in general, yes - at least one submarine of the "Sh" type crossed the Northern Sea Route :))) Such is the round-the-world passage ... Send you a globe, or can you yourself find out how the Northern Sea Route differs from the Northern Sea Route?
                      Quote: Kassandra
                      "Tirpitz" was topped by Lunin and not by Lunev ..

                      Tirpitz WAS NOT Torpedoed by either Lunin or Lunev or from the Moon laughing Because the torpedoed ship (you won't believe it) requires repairs, which the Tirpitz did not undergo after this exit to sea. In theory, it is possible that the torpedoes hit the armor belt, then their rupture would not damage the ship and it would not need repairs. But such a hit would obviously be described in the combat logs of the ships of the German squadron and the Tirpitz, which, again, is not. The Germans never concealed the damage to their ships by manipulating their internal documentation.
                      At the same time, it should be understood that the Germans had no reason to hush up such an attack - if the "Tirpitz" really interrupted the campaign from the damage inflicted on it, this fact would certainly appear in a heap of various reports to the naval (and not only) command - otherwise his return would be difficult to justify.
                      In general, Tirpitz returned back precisely because there was no sense in chasing him after a scattered convoy.
                      Quote: Kassandra
                      on Gustlov, all trained crews for boats of the XXI series died, and their non-participation (120pcs) in the war for this reason was very important.

                      wassat
                      And you are talented. To ensure such a quintessence of dense illiteracy in one sentence - this must be possible.
                      First of all. Let it be known to you that the non-participation of boats of the XXI series in the war occurred because only TWO of the 120 boats of this type were completed. The rest were in varying degrees of readiness, and even the Doenitz boys could not fight on an unfinished submarine. And they tried to finish them up to the very end of the war, if that, but they didn’t have time in a trite.
                      Secondly - do you seriously believe that the appearance of these 120 boats in the winter of 1944 - in the spring of 1945 was capable of at least SOMETHING to change something? What exactly, do not tell?
                      Thirdly. On "Gusloff" there were as many as 918 cadets of the junior groups of the 2nd training submarine division and, probably, several dozen submarine officers. The rest of the passengers are wounded German soldiers and civilians. Taking into account the fact that the number of the crew of type XXI submarines was 58 people, the number I indicated would be enough for 16 submarines.
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                        11 January 2015 17: 03
                        Quote: Kassandra
                        maybe it’s just that you’re just Natsik or do you have something on the British flag?

                        It may be that I am a little seriously interested in the history of my country (and not only mine) and I hate the hurray-patriots who are not capable of adding two and two, but at least correctly putting the indefinite article "b-d!" in the phrase "who is the last for vodka?" And the fact that fantasizing non-existent merits (despite the fact that REAL feats, about which everyone has forgotten enough) only blackens our history and is completely beyond their understanding.
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                        21 January 2015 04: 06
                        under Stalin, you would not just be shot for lying so "interested" ...

                        about Sevmoruput, I’ve already found something myself about the transition of the same S-56 to other warm seas, you may still find it through Google.

                        Tirpitz after torpedoing Lunin with the K-21 just got on the repair. then already in the fjord he was finished off by British aviation. the escort destroyer saved him from the second torpedo that was approaching him, covering himself.
                        the Germans had the same reason to hush up as you have here. and there are not enough pages in that ship’s log for that number.

                        all German boats of the XXI series were completed - there was no one to go on them. how seriously they could influence the course of the war, you can estimate by comparing their performance characteristics with boats of previous types.
                        at least 1700 there were actually cadets ... you have no idea how boats are designed and built, or how their crews are trained. not all officers on the submarine.
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      8 January 2015 15: 34
      The reason for the British was very simple: France surrendered
      Nazi Germany. It was clear that the French Navy would
      requisitioned by the Germans (taken in trophies like tanks, guns and
      other heavy equipment, which, incidentally, was used later
      against the USSR).
      The British delivered an ultimatum to the French sailors: or go
      to our side, or leave the ships. French ultimatum
      rejected. And they began to fight with them, as with an ordinary enemy.
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        8 January 2015 16: 12
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The reason for the British was very simple: France surrendered to Nazi Germany. It was clear that the French Navy would be requisitioned by the Germans
        That's right, the logic of war is inexorable: an ally who has become an ally of the enemy becomes an enemy. Another thing is that with Vichy France there was almost as much sense as with Italy.

        taken in trophies, like tanks, guns and other heavy equipment, which, by the way, was later used against the USSR
        Yes, not so much. French tanks did not fit into the Blitzkrieg strategy and were not used by the Germans in battles with the Red Army. In any case, the list of German tank divisions did not appear on the 22 of June. I don’t know about the rest, but I also don’t think so, if used, it hasn’t failed yet.
        But the fleet is another matter, it is a self-sufficient thing, it was quite possible and needed to be used. Why they didn’t come up is not clear. Of course, Gibraltar is insurmountable for them, but there were bases in Italy, plus an Italian fleet under German leadership (a la Souchon PMV) would completely spoil the blood of the British in the Mediterranean.

        The British delivered an ultimatum to the French sailors: either go to our side or leave the ships.
        EMNIP, there was a third option: destroy ships or intern in a neutral port. IMHO, the most reasonable option: after the war, in case of victory, it would be possible to return the ships, and show off in the pose of the winner.
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          8 January 2015 17: 15
          "French tanks did not fit into the blitzkrieg strategy and the Germans in battles with
          The Red Army was not used "///

          Used. Although not formally part of the Panzervaffe.
          Because of this confusion.
          Sevastopol in 1942 was stormed precisely by French tanks: slow,
          but with strong frontal armor. Under them heroically rushed sailors with bundles
          Garnet. There were no German tanks during the assault.
          1. Kassandra
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            8 January 2015 20: 52
            if these were trophies of 1940, then "it's okay"

            German tanks during the assault were.
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            8 January 2015 22: 38
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Used. Although they were not formally part of the Panzervaffe. Because of this confusion.

            Interesting infa, did not meet. If it’s not difficult, please share information on this topic, where else but Sevastopol. Better in PM, here the topic is somewhat different.

            Thank you in advance!
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              8 January 2015 23: 45
              Quote: Alex
              Better in PM, here the topic is somewhat different.

              Honestly, I myself would love to know something about it. The question of using French tanks on the eastern front is EXTREMELY interesting
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                10 January 2015 00: 24
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: Alex
                Better in PM, here the topic is somewhat different.

                Honestly, I myself would love to know something about it. The question of using French tanks on the eastern front is EXTREMELY interesting


                You are right, this is interesting. Therefore, I remembered from someone’s memoirs about the participation of French tanks in the assaults of the pillboxes of fortified areas in Belarus and Ukraine in the summer of 1941. It was about two-gun tanks.
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          8 January 2015 20: 17
          The British really needed large ships, especially battleships, to fight the German fleet and they tried to capture them from the French or at least permanently disable them. They managed to capture the Lorrain in Alexandria and destroy the Brittany, while seriously damaging the Dunkirk and Provence. Later, Richelieu was damaged in Dakar, and the move was taken away. Although it also cost the British dearly, the Resolution took almost a year to be repaired. In general, France was the easiest to go through WWII. Her dockers repaired German submarines in Lorian and St Nazaire, from where they sailed until June 1944 to hunt in the Atlantic. In France, the German divisions rested after the Eastern Front. French fishermen fished in the Atlantic, their whalers almost reached Antarctica, no one bombed them. France provided food for Germany during the occupation.
          1. Kassandra
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            8 January 2015 20: 58
            they probably really didn’t need them to be with the Germans
      2. Kassandra
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        8 January 2015 16: 16
        not necessarily what would become

        she declared war to them, maybe even before that?
        England simply has a tradition since the destruction of Copenhagen in 1806.


        French trophies are trophies but Hitler occupied Vichy France only after the Allies landed in Algeria in 1942
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    9 January 2015 04: 15
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Honestly, I myself would love to know something about it. The question of using French tanks on the eastern front is EXTREMELY interesting
    They were also used as ... And near Moscow ... And the chassis was especially used for the alteration of numerous German sau. And Vespe, and early models ... The Germans, by the way, used a huge amount of our 76 mm, captured in Orsha, where they were taken on the eve of the war on the orders of Pavlov. True, they installed their muzzle brake on them and reworked something.
    I won’t post many words here, but for fun read here - http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/f/

    In general, the Germans used everything that they captured, and Czech tanks were moving, and especially Soviet ones.

    You will find a lot of information here - http://beloepyatno.blogspot.ru/2010/05/blog-post_04.html

    And here it’s not only about French tanks in the service of the Wehrmacht - http://battlefront.ru/view_articles.php?id=244
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      10 January 2015 19: 07
      Quote: Santor
      And the chassis was especially used for the alteration of numerous German sau. And Vespe, and early models ... The Germans, by the way, used a huge amount of our 76 mm, captured in Orsha, where they were taken on the eve of the war on the orders of Pavlov. True, they installed their muzzle brake on them and reworked something.
      About German alterations of trophies is well known. And they also liked our Hrabin 76-mm, it is a fact.

      and Czech tanks were moving, and especially Soviet ones.
      The Czechs were not used, but were included in the Wehrmacht's armament system, were repeatedly modernized in parallel with the "troikas" and were withdrawn from the Panzerwaffe along with them. But our trophies were used as they were received. But here's what is interesting: it seems like the possibilities for their replenishment were rather big (given the number of T-XNUMXs produced, like it or not, the captures will be in significant quantities), but somehow I didn’t have to hear about significant successes in this direction. However, I did not specifically research this topic, so many thanks for the links, I will definitely look it over.
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        11 January 2015 14: 50
        "(given the number of" thirty-fours "produced like it or not, but the captures will be in significant quantities),
        but somehow I didn’t have to hear about significant successes in this direction "////

        T-34-76 was used in 1942-43. in the amount of several dozen (40-50) division of the Waffen SS Reich. They were not given the German tanks (some squabbles of jealousy between the SS and the Wehrmacht), like they said: "get out as you want." "Reich" organized in the captured Kharkov a workshop for the repair of T-34 tanks at the plant (evacuated, but some machines remained). Collected from all collection points of trophies, made "from three-one". But, by the way, they improved: the commander's cupola, sight, reliable fastening of shells in the hull (the trouble of the T-34). These T-34s contributed to the breakthrough of the Germans in the southern sector of the Battle of Kursk - the Soviet troops at first took them for their own and let them in. Later in the war, their traces were somehow lost. Gradually knocked them all out, most likely ...
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      11 January 2015 18: 45
      Thanks for the links, I will definitely learn! hi