Meanwhile, Andrei Kostin this week declared that the disconnection of Russian banks from the international payment system SWIFT would mean war. And, of course, we will urgently need to send the American ambassador from Russia, although this system is Belgian.
But, incidentally, it does not matter. The important thing is that there is more and more talk about the military scenario, and Russian television is spreading this topic. We criticized the Russian authorities a lot, and therefore we considered it necessary to give the podium to its mouthpiece, the journalist Mikhail Leontyev. Interview with him, we recorded the day before.
Dmitry Dubov: Mikhail Vladimirovich, hello. Do you think the current heat of international passions has already matured to the real threat of nuclear war?
Mikhail Leontyev: Well, in fact, the decision was made to slow, I emphasize: slow strangulation of Russia. That is, we are practically told that either you will perish or a draw. I now do not understand what place our partners, Western ones, generally think in, offering such a strange choice. We do not offer them a choice: die or a draw. Do they really want a draw? Because in reality it turns out that Russia has no other choice. In fact, indeed, peace, that is, salvation from a military catastrophe, depends on the ability of our, it means, partners, to understand that Russia will certainly use nuclear weapons. weapon, if she will face the threat of death. I have said many times that the basis of our relations with the United States is not the hydrocarbon trade, but the doctrine of mutual guaranteed non-destruction. And everything else - it is already peace, friendship, chewing gum, and it is held on this solid foundation, and this foundation must be borne in mind.
Dmitry Dubov: Nobody talks about peace and chewing on the background of the nuclear threat and Russia's aggressive policy in the post-Soviet space. So maybe leave the neighbors alone?
Mikhail Leontyev: You are an Israeli journalist. Do you really can in your right mind and solid memory say that Russia annexed the Crimea, and there are some separatists in Ukraine? There are no Russian separatists! We were practically attacked.
Dmitry Dubov: Who! Who attacked you?
Mikhail Leontyev: A special operation is underway, the goal of which is to involve Russia in this conflict. Because the world situation from the point of view of the United States is such that they needed a new cold war. They needed a new opponent. We resisted this in every way. And still resist. "We behave aggressively." Well, come back! Well, aren't you ashamed? Well guys, well? Especially - Israel. We very much appreciate that Israel in this position, in this situation, takes an extremely restrained position, I would even say friendly to Russia. We really appreciate it.
Dmitry Dubov: Well, thank you for appreciating, of course, but let's answer the question again - who attacked Russia, who crossed the border of the Russian Federation?
Mikhail Leontyev: Do you understand that Russians and Ukrainians are one people? When people with portraits of Bandera begin to walk around Ukraine ... Well, the Israelis need to understand who Bandera is? This is a Bandera power! We can not accept the departure of Ukraine under the Bandera power.
Dmitry Dubov: Wait! I tell you about one thing, and you tell me about something else. The nationalists did not go to the parliament of Ukraine.
Mikhail Leontyev: In Ukraine, the vast majority of the population is silent gloomily. Except for a few western areas. Who profess a certain ideology. He inspired at a known time in a known way. And what, by the way, this ideology means for the Jewish population is very well known.
Dmitry Dubov: Chairman of the Parliament - Groisman, a Jew by nationality.
Mikhail Leontyev: Yes, and there is Kolomoisky, you watch his videos, where he offered ten thousand for Moskal's head, yes? Look, here Kolomoisky is a shame of the Jewish people. Look at this nits!
Dmitry Dubov: So, you know, let's still observe the elementary framework of decency.
Mikhail Leontyev: Is Russia bombing Donetsk? Russia is bombing Lugansk, right? Are our planes flying there? Russia, perhaps, be hit by this unfortunate "Boeing" fighter?
Dmitry Dubov: Listen, the "Boeing" is under investigation. Maybe it is the separatists?
Mikhail Leontyev: Maybe even so. But you have no information. If you seriously stop here and think, you will admit that you have no information, but there are unsubstantiated accusations, propaganda. Goebbels propaganda!
Dmitry Dubov: Propaganda is when Russian channels are invented history about the crucified boy, sorry.
Mikhail Leontyev: A country that decides to shoot down a civilian aircraft with the aim of blaming Russia - well, what is this, this is the Hitler method.
Dmitry Dubov: But there are cadres, there are cadres of how separatists from residential areas are shelling ...
Mikhail Leontyev: But the plane is shot from aviation guns! There are traces!
Dmitry Dubov: Once again I ask - here are some frames that show, we are now showing them directly, the rockets are launched from the installation, which is located behind the residential building, the Donetsk airport is being fired.
Mikhail Leontyev: At the Donetsk airport, there are no visitors to the airport; by the way, they were shot at the time of the attack on this airport, right? There are no people there, there are Ukrainian power structures, and on the other hand - power structures of the so-called unrecognized republics. And there is a fight! There is a fight, well, and what's new about it? Civil War.
Dmitry Dubov: And then, as a result of the return fire, the inhabitants perish ...
Mikhail Leontyev: What kind of inhabitants? What kind of residents can be in a combat area? Well, someone in the basement ... in Stalingrad, people also hid in the basement, and where, if they have nowhere to go? Retracted, scum. And the army dragged. And the Security Service did not even want the special forces to fight. This is a tragedy, a colossal tragedy for a whole nation, you know? And here you have these same propaganda nonsense, about "Russia is behaving aggressively." If Russia behaved aggressively, there would be no Ukraine for a long time, well, you know perfectly well, it’s just ridiculous.
Dmitry Dubov: Not at all funny. Aggressive politics is when they threaten with nuclear weapons. And direct aggression is a war in Georgia.
Mikhail Leontyev: The Georgian army attacked primarily the positions of Russian peacekeepers. Russian soldiers were killed. Russia was the guarantor, the internationally recognized guarantor of the non-resolution of the conflict of interethnic by force.
Dmitry Dubov: Peacekeepers did not have a mandate to fight. Russia introduced a regular army, and where are the peacekeepers? When there was an operation in Chechnya, not a single state rushed to save the Chechens ...
Mikhail Leontiev: Listen, well, you tell me. Israel when enters the army in Lebanon, for any reason?
Dmitry Dubov: Israel for any reason? Georgia, like Lebanon, shelled Russia? You what?
Mikhail Leontyev: Well listen, here we are, our company has a plant in Lysychansk, right? They fired at the plant. That's how you imagine the militants, they sat down at the refinery? Are they crazy or what?
Dmitry Dubov: Well, what Ukrainian separatists are doing is duplicating the actions of Hamas.
Mikhail Leontyev: In a war, residential buildings are used as objects of war, of course. What do you wonder? I do not know, this is a meaningless conversation, let's finish it.