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What are fighting the West and Russia in the open spaces of Ukraine

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I am sending an article to the readers, which I collected from my thoughts and Internet sources in order to analyze why so much blood is shed in Ukraine.

Currently, the world’s struggle is in two directions - these are raw materials sources and markets. The war for the possession of raw materials is waged mainly by military means: aviation, heavy equipment, artillery and infantry units, for markets, the struggle is political, which is next to the struggle by military means.

Strictly speaking, everything is clear with Iraq, Syria, these countries possessing huge reserves of oil and gas, geographically located very conveniently for the supply of energy resources to the countries of Western Europe, do not possess nuclear weapons and although they have a strong army by local standards, they are not enough to counter Western expansion. These countries can be bombed by the West, contribute to the spread of radical Islam there, that is, to exclude the possibility of establishing strong leaders in them - such as Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, Bashar Asad, who is currently Syrian president.

Finding a strong leader in the power of these countries is not very happy with the European Union, and most importantly, the United States, since they can greatly influence the energy policy of both the United States and the European Union.

Now back to Ukraine. What attracted Ukraine to the European Union and the United States at the present time?

Ukraine is interesting to the European Union, first of all, with its sales market, and also with the possibility of transit of cheap goods to Russia. Until recently, Russia and Ukraine had a fairly preferential regime of commodity circulation, transparent borders, and, in fact, fairly close economic ties.

The EU has drawn Ukraine into its association to meet its economic needs.

Although Russia frowned, she agreed with this turn of events, but offered to sit down at the negotiating table in order to remove particularly acute problems of an economic nature, to minimize the economic damage from this agreement. The answer was received categorically: NO.

I think at that moment the United States was already involved in the game, even though they were already in the role of a “playing coach.”

So now what has Ukraine attracted to the USA?

Energy. The US is sleeping and seeing how they will supply oil and gas to the European market, weakening Russia's economic position and strengthening its own. But even according to statements by Washington officials, energy supplies to Europe can take place no earlier than 2020 of the year (optimistic forecast), and this is unacceptable for US geopolitics, since the energy market must be seized now.

According to the conclusion of US officials, Ukraine is the very energy resource that could largely replace Russian gas and oil for deliveries to Europe, since the world's largest gas transportation system is located in this camp.

A bit of economy, taken from Internet resources.

As of 2010, the proven reserves of oil in Ukraine are approximately 395 million barrels (54 million tons).

What are fighting the West and Russia in the open spaces of Ukraine


Source: USGS (green circles - oil fields, red - gas fields).

Another source. Oil and gas fields of Ukraine.



Oil fields: 1 - Starosamborskoe, 2 - Borislav, 3 - Dolinskoye, 4 - Prilukskoe, 5 - Ninovskoe, 6 - Burguvatovskoe, 7 - Kozievskoe, 8 - Reshetnyakovskoe, 9 - East-Sarat
Gas fields: 10 - Zaluzhanskoye, 11 - Xinumx - Abazovskoe, 12 - Xelenovskoye, 13 - Xelenovskoye, 14 - Xelenovskoye , 15 - Dzhankoye, 16 - Zadornoye, 17 - Glebovsky, 18 - Golicin, 19 - Storm.
Oil and gas fields: 27 - Nadvornyanskoe, 28 - Talalaevskoe, 29 - Gnidintsovskoe, 30 - Anastasievskoe, 31 - Kachanovskoe, 32 - Radchenkovskoe, 33 - Oposhnyanskoe, 34 - Friendly.

As you can see, the main oil and gas fields are located in the territory of Eastern Ukraine, namely in the territory of Donetsk, Lugansk regions and Crimea.

About the Crimea. Source: http://www.photoukraine.com/Russian/articles?id=111.

“Significant natural gas deposits have been discovered in the south of the country, in the flat part of the Crimean peninsula and adjacent areas of the Black Sea and Azov Sea shelf. The Glebov-Simferopol-Sevastopol gas pipeline was built with a branch to Yalta, Evpatoria and Sakam.
According to some experts, Ukraine has large promising areas where it is possible to discover hydrocarbon deposits (especially gas) on a global scale. First of all, such assumptions and hopes (of the world's largest reserves of natural gas) refer to the northern (Ukrainian) part of the Black Sea shelf. As one of the arguments, the fact is given that the Black Sea is the only sea water body in the world where the water column from the bottom to the depths of 150-50 m is filled with hydrogen sulfide. It is surmised that a huge amount of natural gas has accumulated under the bottom of the sea, which passes along faults to the water and saturates it, and the matter is only small — to learn how to extract it from there. ”

It can be concluded that the United States is fighting for a very significant energy jackpot.

The Crimea, and no one will be able to deny it, is the territory of Russia, and it is possible to “squeeze” it back only through the Third World War. The United States and the European Union are well aware of this, and therefore there is such a station howl.

For the East of Ukraine there is a bloody struggle with an unknown result for any of the parties, I mean the West and Russia, but I think that Russia will win the victory in this conflict of interests.

In the bottom line, we have the following. Europe has lost a huge Russian market, which the Asian and Latin American countries will fill with pleasure. Under the threat of energy supply, and, as a consequence, the energy collapse in Europe. But I think this will not happen.

The United States, in principle, has fulfilled its minimum program, that is, has reached the distance of Europe from Russia and the weakening of their economic ties (the weakening of the two largest world economies).

But their main task (the seizure of the energy market) and beyond the entire world economy, they did not fulfill and are unlikely to fulfill. But the struggle, and very cruel, continues, and who will be the winner, time will tell ...
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  1. Fuse
    Fuse 25 August 2014 14: 27
    +15
    Cyber ​​Berkut: Revelations of Doberman
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 25 August 2014 14: 32
      +27
      There is a struggle of tsevilizations ... Anglo-Saxon against Russian ... for more than one century .. it can be said that there is a struggle of evil with the light ... Ukraine is only a springboard for udoa in Russia .. everyone understands this ..
      1. herruvim
        herruvim 25 August 2014 14: 37
        +19
        Alexander III was informed about a new geopolitical initiative of the British Cabinet of Turkey’s military revenge in order to implement the Palmerston partition of Russia. This threatened a possible military threat. In response to the report, the Emperor punched the table with his hand and threw only one phrase: “The entire treasury - to war !!!”. According to some sources, the Tsar’s reaction was conveyed through spies to the British Prime Minister, the result was Britain’s refusal of the previously approved plan for a military campaign against Russia at the hands of Turkey.

        Throughout its history, the West has tried to overthrow Russia
        1. asar
          asar 25 August 2014 15: 10
          +9
          Margaret Thatcher: "It is unfair that Russia owns such a huge territory."
          Or Condoleezza Rice: "Russia has too much land."

          Margaret Thatcher:
          Read in full: http://gblor.ru/blogs/margaret-tetcher-eto-nespravedlivo-/240570

          And there’s nothing to add!
        2. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 25 August 2014 20: 44
          +4
          Quote: herruvim
          Throughout its history, the West has tried to overthrow Russia


          I’m always talking about the fact that we don’t have friends and allies in this star system. Especially on this planet.
          One thing depresses that Nicholas I did not stifle the Polatsk Natsiks in time who brewed the porridge, which we now disentangle in Little Russia.
        3. Cadet787
          Cadet787 25 August 2014 22: 47
          +2
          25.08.2014 - 22: 03
          The Dnepr battalion causes panic: because of the fighting near the border village, it calls all the men of Mariupol to the draft
          The electronic media of Mariupol published an emergency message from the Dnepr-1 battalion of the National Guard, which allegedly conducts a battle with tank units of the DPR army reinforced with tanks near the village of Markino in the Novoazovsky district, a few kilometers from the border with Russia.
          According to the assurances of the punishers, shots are fired already on the outskirts of Novoazovsk, which was supposedly under the complete control of the junta’s forces during the day.
          Further, the predators of Ukraine write: “From Mariupol - the territory from Novoazovsk to Mariupol is completely protected. But a breakthrough is possible .... We ask everyone who is ready to defend the city urgently to go to the military commissariats
          We need volunteers, we need help from people. The situation is very serious. ”
          In addition, the Dnepr-1 battalion noted that it is better for women with children to leave Novoazovsk and Mariupol. Being in these cities is dangerous.
          We will remind, earlier it was reported that the Kolomoisky falcons abandoned their positions in the area of ​​Starobeshevo-Kuteynikovo-Ilovaisk, leaving there surrounded by one or two companies of their comrades-in-arms.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 25 August 2014 14: 44
        +4
        That is why I was so glad when I learned about the upcoming next humanitarian expedition to New Russia. After all, a hungry soldier is a bad soldier.
      3. Момент
        Момент 25 August 2014 19: 21
        +5
        One can only wish America that they also have a "democracy" the same as Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, etc.
        1. Goga101
          Goga101 25 August 2014 20: 31
          +4
          The moment - And in the United States, things are gradually going to this - the next scandal with the murder of a black gopnik - something does not subside, and the TV reports from there more and more resemble either Sahrir in Egypt, or Maidan in Ukraine wassat In general, "what they fought for ..." laughing
      4. Lelek
        Lelek 25 August 2014 19: 45
        +3
        The main goal of the Anglo-Saxons is to show the world, and especially the Slavic world, that Russia is weak and not a defender of this world, and they (the Anglo-Saxons) did and will do whatever they want based on their selfish interests. Examples: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, NATO and US bases around Russia. Who is next?
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 25 August 2014 14: 39
      +3
      One thing is not clear, like two Georgians, but they speak Russian among themselves.
      1. wirbeln
        wirbeln 25 August 2014 19: 53
        +3
        Not two Georgians: Doberman Kartlian or Ajarian, a Jew from Haifa - 100% Mingrelian. In Georgia, each gorge has its own people. The international language is Russian.
    3. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 25 August 2014 14: 42
      +2
      I am sure that the Russian leadership understands this and will not allow the US plans to be fulfilled in Ukraine! The EU is now in a situation where they need to choose between Russia and the USA, Russia needs to be made clear to them that their companies will have priority but not like the USA, then everything will change, they will understand in close cooperation with us, they will benefit and everything will be fine with them!
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 25 August 2014 14: 43
      +4
      Western civilization can never defeat Russian, that’s why they (the Anglo-Saxons in the first place) are aware of the full potential of the war with us and are furious from impotent anger.
    5. muginov2015
      muginov2015 25 August 2014 14: 50
      +2
      This rooster is Georgian, according to the latest data in captivity. Who knows his future fate?
    6. askort154
      askort154 25 August 2014 15: 00
      +6
      A quote from the video .... "Do you want the Russians to come in here?"

      Here is the nonsense of war in Ukraine. Two Georgian Jews do not want the presence of Russians in Ukraine. These non-humans have no future, they are doomed, despite the support of the West.
    7. armageddon
      armageddon 25 August 2014 15: 06
      +3
      PPC ... Scum like Doberman will receive their award ... A loop and a bag on the head are guaranteed !!!
      1. 97110
        97110 25 August 2014 17: 20
        +5
        Quote: Armagedon
        Scum like Doberman get their reward
        The days were his photo shoot on the bus along with other corpses. Already received.
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    10. 23 region
      23 region 25 August 2014 22: 48
      +3
      Quote: Fuse
      Cyber ​​Berkut: Revelations of Doberman

      About a week ago they posted this ph (sorry if photoshop), then there was infa that they soaked him in the bus, I also do not know the truth or not. But in general DOG - DOG DEATH!
      1. DPZ
        DPZ 26 August 2014 06: 56
        0
        it is not true. first showed it, and then refuted.
    11. DPZ
      DPZ 26 August 2014 06: 51
      0
      it seemed to me that this dialogue is a pure ruling. but it’s not clear what has been done.
  2. Mihail177
    Mihail177 25 August 2014 14: 29
    +7
    For the East of Ukraine there is a bloody struggle with an unknown result for any of the parties, I mean the West and Russia, but I think that Russia will win the victory in this conflict of interests.
    And there is nothing to think about. "Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours !!" "
  3. mig31
    mig31 25 August 2014 14: 32
    +2
    It is quite clear what America wants - to create its own controlled "state" in the center of Europe in order to sever Russia from Europe and dictate its will to everyone ...
  4. Good cat
    Good cat 25 August 2014 14: 32
    +7
    But besides the presence of various deposits, there are also conditions for their occurrence, production difficulties, etc. If in Ukraine there are so many sweets of all kinds then why, in due time, did the USSR go to Sibir for gas and oil?
  5. Koloradovatnik
    Koloradovatnik 25 August 2014 14: 32
    +24
    The most important thing is not in oil. Ukraine is an integral part of the Russian world, without it the restoration of sovereign Russia is impossible. It -
    the battle of civilizations, the battle of two completely different worlds. Ukraine is the last chance for the USA to continue world hegemony. Ukraine is the only chance for Russia to regain superpower status. In Ukraine, it is decided either the world will continue to sink in blood, or the unipolar world order will disappear from the face of the Earth forever. And at the same time, Western civilization.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 August 2014 15: 52
      +8
      Koloradovatnik! Bravo! Not many today can rise to understand the essence of the problem at the geopolitical level. You seem to be good at "lessons learned at school." hi
      The unforgettable Otto von Bismarck said that Russia without Ukraine would not be able to be reborn again into the empire, repeated Adolf Aloizovich, as well as Z.K. Brzezinski. That is exactly what K. Rice told the world in the heat of frankness, being the US Secretary of State.
      And yet, colleague, it seems to me that you allow some stretch in determining the role of Ukraine in the issue of hegemony of the States over the world. This issue is being resolved (will be resolved) in the Asia-Pacific region, where the terrible Chinese Dragon crawls into the world stage of the struggle for peace leadership. The coming world fight will be there.
      Therefore, in order to prevent Russia from gaining strength economically and militarily, as the main ally of the PRC, the States provoked (and will probably organize) a series of color revolutions along the perimeter of Russia's borders. We can’t not respond to them: everywhere our former compatriots live. Everyone is crying out for help. The states correctly reasoned: when it’s burning near you, then you don’t have far destinies. I could handle my fire! Therefore, the Russian Federation, busy extinguishing new fires of color revolutions in the former Soviet republics, will not be up to the aid of China, Syria, Iran.
      Further, purely pragmatic goals are being pursued: splitting Ukraine from the Russian Federation and the CU, it is possible to solve the issue of Europe's dependence on Russian gas by producing and transporting it through the Ukrainian gas pipeline.
      Benefit: weakening of the position of Russia in the Old World, profit, a new market, weakening of the EU, as one of the world economic power centers. In the struggle for their own selfish interests, in the wake of NATO solidarity, it is possible to rally this W / P Union, to draw in their weapons to them, if they succeed, to push the bases to the borders of the Russian Federation, deploying them in Ukraine.
      The states are forced to solve the problem of their astronomical national debt ($ 17 tril.). This issue can only be solved by "writing off". And as you know - "The war will write off everything!" The main creditor to YuSerov is China. They will crush his sides. To keep the ally, we sell submarines, engines and aircraft (SU-35), SAM (S-400), and other modern MBT to the PRC. While it is in our interests.
      About the Russian Federation. The states see as their strategic task (goal) the division of its Siberian pantries, the dismemberment of the country into separate states. The solution is through the 5 column in cities with a population of one million people, then the Moscow State University and an ultimatum with the proposal to lay down arms, otherwise the physical destruction of 80-90% of the country's population. The remaining 15 million people will work in the mining industry. This plan is real. Partially voiced by M. Oldbright. She is a member of the Bilderberg Club. Therefore, the threat, oh how, is real! In order to implement this, the States need to achieve overwhelming military superiority over us. Russia is pushing, rearming, inventing new types of weapons. To prevent this, and all the resources were not used for defense and the living standards of the people, it was decided to drag us into a fratricidal war with the Ukrainians.
      Here is a simple layout I see from his swamp. IMHO.
    2. Bob
      Bob 25 August 2014 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: Colorado
      It -
      the battle of civilizations, the battle of two completely different worlds. Ukraine is the last chance for the USA to continue world hegemony. Ukraine is the only chance for Russia to regain superpower status.

      Everything is right! I will only add that in Ukraine, Russia is fighting against American domination in the interests not only of itself, but of the whole world, primarily those countries that are, to put it mildly, “tired” of American domination - these are all the BRICS countries, these are Asian and African and southern American countries that are dissatisfied with the dominance of the United States in finance and the unfair system of distribution of goods in the world, when consumers are the "golden billion" and producers receive handouts in the form of loans, a series of crises that wash away capital from countries, etc., etc. further aggravates the situation of these countries. The world is going through one of the most serious crises - the transition to the 6th technological order, the Asian countries should become the center of development, and China, first of all, the United States prevents this and openly declares its exclusivity and desire to fight for its dominance, moreover, by military means. 100 years ago, as now there was a change in the technological structure of the economy, a new center of power was formed - the United States, and then this struggle turned into 1 world, then there was 2 world, which finally secured the leadership of the United States in the capitalist world. Today the USA is the 1st economy in the world, China is the 2nd economy. Russia, on the other hand, is a serious obstacle for the United States to maintain its dominance, due to Russia's possession of a number of advanced military technologies, including nuclear and missile ones. The US could have dealt with China if it weren't for Russia, or by persuasion or by organizing a new "opium" war or something like that. Therefore, Russia received the first and main blow. Moreover, the West, represented by Germany, is interested in strong players in the person of the Russian Federation and the PRC to destroy each other, only this can explain the transfer to the leaders of China of an ancient map on which the Far East and Siberia are part of the PRC. As in 1-2 World War, the Anglo-Saxons were able to play off the strong rivals of the USSR and Germany. So now, the Americans act on the same principles.
      It can be stated that war is already underway, and this decision has been made by the main world center of power. This war will inevitably come to an open military conflict at the global level. Such is the world order created by the Western system - they have a world printing press (as a means of earning and obtaining material wealth and even greater power) and NATO as a way to advance their economic and military strategies, and to protect this machine. They (the Rockefellers and the financial elite of the West) do not accept anything else; they are vitally interested in preserving and increasing their wealth, and are ready to finance a new world war.
      The task of Russia in the current situation is to maintain and increase its military economic potential, to become not only a military center of power, but also a spiritual one, to become a platform for the development of a new world order, multipolar and fair. Well and most importantly - do not let yourself be destroyed in a fit of revolution (exported from near and far abroad), or military confrontation with the West.
    3. 23 region
      23 region 25 August 2014 23: 04
      0
      Quote: Colorado
      In Ukraine, it is decided either the world will continue to sink in blood, or the unipolar world order will disappear from the face of the Earth forever. And at the same time, Western civilization.


      “To restore the Soviet Union, one thing is absolutely necessary: ​​the restoration of Moscow’s control over Ukraine ... Ukraine’s gaining independence freed not only the Ukrainian people, but all of Europe. Without Ukraine, with its almost 46 million inhabitants and rich natural resources, Russia is a large and strong country, but not a superpower. ”

      This quote from Fram (David Frum - attracted a lot of attention due to his heretical views on domestic politics and his willingness to admit previous mistakes), suggesting that Russia, having absorbed Ukraine, would become a superpower, gracefully beat the old one walking on Twitter cliche: "Russia without Ukraine is a country, Russia and Ukraine are an empire." Judging by past experience, the transformation of Russia into a superpower, of course, would be bad news for both Europe and the United States.


      Should the United States, as Fram suggests, intervene in the drama that is currently taking place on the streets of Kiev? May be! However, please, speaking out for this, do not disturb the ghost of the Soviet Union, because the accession of Ukraine will not make Russia a greater superpower than it is.

      * Dear readers, please note that I am speaking hypothetically. I strongly doubt that Russia, even with a great desire, could completely swallow Ukraine, since in this case the western half of the country is likely to break away.
      (Mark Adomanis)


      Original publication: Would Absorbing Ukraine Make Russia A Superpower? No

      Опубликовано: 04/12/2013 10:24


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      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 26 August 2014 10: 03
        0
        Since ancient times, the main dream of the West was the complete destruction of Russia: Lithuania, Poland, Knight-Dogs, Napoleon, Hitler "worked" in this direction! And even now there are many who want to "get" our wealth, but there is one BUT - the "Wishlist" has not yet grown. And the fate of all our so-called. former "partners" is well known, but unfortunately she does not teach them anything to their stupid descendants!
  6. Rus2012
    Rus2012 25 August 2014 14: 33
    +15
    The United States, in principle, has fulfilled its minimum program, that is, has reached the distance of Europe from Russia and the weakening of their economic ties (the weakening of the two largest world economies).

    Not for that, cowboys nurtured a generation of Banderfascists.
    They had a main goal of three points:
    1. war with the Russian forces by the Slavs
    2. EU market closure
    3. Squeezing the Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea and reducing its role to a miniscule

    So far they have not completed a single point of their program ...
    And it seems, in the end, they themselves will collapse under the weight of insoluble problems
    1. Matrosov
      Matrosov 25 August 2014 14: 59
      +4
      Well, in general, the first was completed, although not in full and not quite like that, but the war is going on. Here, after all, it is important not only a full-fledged war between Russia and Ukraine, but also the "War of the Worlds". Now Svidomo Ukrainians blame Russia for everything, and a huge crack has run between our countries, and the further the wider it is. Lack of hot water, heating, crazy prices, no harvest, and so on, so on, so on. as there in the rhyme "the cat abandoned the kittens, it's Putin's fault!"
  7. DMB-88
    DMB-88 25 August 2014 14: 37
    +1
    Nearly 50 million people are a huge market, as well as cheap labor for geyropov! The minerals explored in the Soviet years are certainly a tidbit for world imperialism. The developed industry, metallurgy, chemical industry, shipbuilding, aircraft building and great achievements in the field of rocket science left from the USSR are also a bone in the throat of the imperialists, they do not need competition and, of course, undermining the Russian the defense, which is closely connected with the Ukrainian one, is the goal and task of the West. And given the fertile lands of Ukraine and favorable climatic conditions, it becomes clear the desire of the world bourgeoisie to seize this tidbit, finally tearing its historical part from Russia!
  8. GDP
    GDP 25 August 2014 14: 37
    +13
    If Ukraine really had such large gas deposits, then it would have long been able to satisfy all its needs with its own resources, and certainly Russia would not have risked raising gas prices ...
    But in reality, Ukraine satisfies only 20% of its needs at the expense of its resources, and this is without taking into account the lost deposits in the Crimea ...

    The excess of hydrogen sulfide at the bottom of the Black Sea is not associated with giant gas deposits, but is the result of decay of algae, as a result, due to the weak mixing of the water masses of the Black Sea, the lower layers of water are saturated with hydrogen sulfide ...

    Such a distribution can be explained by the fact that the Black Sea is arranged so that its water exchange with the Mediterranean Sea goes through the shallow Bosphorus threshold. Desalinated by river runoff goes to the Sea of ​​Marmara and therefore lighter Black Sea water, and towards it, more precisely under it, through the Bosphorus threshold, more salty and heavier Mediterranean water slides into the depths of the Black Sea. It turns out something like a giant sump, in the depths of which hydrogen sulfide has gradually accumulated over the past six to seven thousand years.
  9. strelok93rus
    strelok93rus 25 August 2014 14: 38
    +7
    In the media, information slipped that the development that Shell was conducting yielded nothing. The roofing felts of the map are old, the roofing felts are not the same, but in the area near Slavyansk the mattress covers with shale gas are broken off. But the mattresses nevertheless fulfilled one of the tasks, they put Baidon’s son on the Russia-Europe gas pipe so that he could watch the fenders!
    1. alexng
      alexng 25 August 2014 23: 44
      0
      Quote: strelok93rus
      But the mattresses nevertheless fulfilled one of the tasks, they put Baidon's son on the Russia-Europe gas pipe so that he could watch the fenders!


      But in the event of the junta's failure, and no one denies this, all this Baida went to bed in full, and nothing shines for him, since all these agreements will be canceled.
  10. saag
    saag 25 August 2014 14: 40
    +3
    Is there oil in Belarus? Then democracy will come there
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 25 August 2014 15: 40
      +4
      Quote: saag
      Then democracy will come there

      Riding on aircraft carriers of the 6th fleet. (c) Psaki.
  11. Selynin
    Selynin 25 August 2014 14: 40
    +3
    "The United States, in principle, has fulfilled its minimum program, that is, it has reached the distance between Europe and Russia."

    Well said.
  12. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 25 August 2014 14: 41
    +5
    Quote: Colorado
    The most important thing is not in oil. Ukraine is an integral part of the Russian world, without it the restoration of sovereign Russia is impossible. It -
    the battle of civilizations, the battle of two completely different worlds. Ukraine is the last chance for the USA to continue world hegemony. Ukraine is the only chance for Russia to regain superpower status. In Ukraine, it is decided either the world will continue to sink in blood, or the unipolar world order will disappear from the face of the Earth forever. And at the same time, Western civilization.

    good well said! + .. I will add that the fraternal people, for RUSSIA, always have and will be more expensive than any deposits of anything .. and the spirituality of our nation has always prevailed over purely selfish intires.
  13. Artybyrd
    Artybyrd 25 August 2014 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: Fuse
    Cyber ​​Berkut: Revelations of Doberman

    It’s just Achtung laughing well, "dialogue", Georgian Jews mother yih lol monsters
  14. corn
    corn 25 August 2014 14: 50
    +1
    When I hear "the struggle for energy resources", I understand this, when I hear "the struggle for sales markets", I do not understand this, because before you buy something you need to have the resources to buy.
    I will try to clarify my point.
    The struggle for the Russian market makes sense, until Russia can pay for goods, as soon as there is nothing to pay and there is nothing to fight for.
    Therefore, I really want to hear what Ukraine should produce or can produce and supply to the foreign market, so that then I can buy something, even at an overpriced price.
    You can fight for the market only if there is a disparity in favor of the winner.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 August 2014 15: 03
      +2
      You are absolutely right. They fight for sales markets with their goods:
      or cheap, or very high quality, or special (which are not
      from competitors). So that Ukraine can fight for markets, it
      must learn to produce goods that meet European and
      world standards.
      The most developed countries in the world that do not have their own natural
      Resources: Japan, Holland, South Korea.
      1. corn
        corn 25 August 2014 15: 17
        0
        Warrior wow
        These three countries sell their goods at a high price and buy with the proceeds what is profitable and from whom it is profitable (I understand that everything is not so simple, but the bottom line is that). I’ll simplify the question: what will Ukraine sell in order to buy something later, food for cheap, what would it be more expensive to buy?
        Is it possible that Western politicians can believe that through Ukraine it will be possible to drive goods into Russia, and those who hold power in Russia will not take their margin, and will give it to Ukraine. BRED.
    2. RUSLAT
      RUSLAT 25 August 2014 16: 05
      +2
      If the consumer (Ukraine) has nothing to pay, then she is offered a loan to buy a certain product. When there is nothing to pay for a loan, they offer to sell state property to a specific buyer at special (low) prices. Then they again offer credit, etc. .. Moreover, credit cannot be used to boost the economy! We experienced it ourselves in the Baltic states.
      1. corn
        corn 25 August 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Ruslat
        Then the Baltic states are not a sales market, but a grafter, which costs someone money.
        1. RUSLAT
          RUSLAT 25 August 2014 21: 52
          +2
          While there is something to sell, to buy something, it is a market. But today already 90 percent of the property of Latvia in the ownership of foreigners. So n .... q is already close .....
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  16. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 25 August 2014 14: 56
    0
    Ukraine where the territory is played by the poisoning of Europeans with Russia by the Americans-so as not to lose a unipolar world so recently we stuck across the throat of amers
  17. Starominchanin
    Starominchanin 25 August 2014 14: 56
    0
    Guys, I'm sorry that this may not be the topic, but what's on the front now? Judging by the map http://militarymaps.info/ - a grandiose rascal !!! Who has fresh info on Mariupol ???
  18. Starominchanin
    Starominchanin 25 August 2014 15: 03
    +1
    Is this true?
  19. Cristall
    Cristall 25 August 2014 15: 06
    +3
    while the media are working - the Russian Federation is very losing in the battle for the minds. And loses not somewhere but nearby. Relatives and even Russians themselves found themselves in Ukraine.
    And there are a lot of them.
    You need to be able to buy not only loyalty ....
    What generally prevented keeping Ukraine in its field? Next to it, there is an energy dependence on the market.
    Blanching zone ... in the end, any country closely monitors precisely its neighbors.
    You can, of course, like in ancient times, be friends with a neighbor's neighbor ... But it doesn’t work out.
    1. Starominchanin
      Starominchanin 25 August 2014 15: 13
      +1
      we lost 20 years, and now it’s very difficult to break something in the traditional ways and that’s why this Sabbath was allowed to begin in Kiev, so that enlightenment passed through blood and tears ....
    2. Alexan
      Alexan 25 August 2014 15: 27
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      You need to be able to buy not only loyalty ..


      You are right about 100. But the short-sighted policy of Moscow "bought" the loyalty of only the oligarchs. The selfish interests of a handful of moneybags control newspapers, TV, armies ... We must do so that LOVING THE HOMELAND would be beneficial to the Deripaska-Potanin-Abramovichs and the bureaucrats in power. Western business is profitable to deal with all sorts of ulyukayev-nabiulin there. The system is well-established and no one wants to change it in the Kremlin. Shouts of Glazyev and the patriots - into the void! Into the interested void ...
      1. RUSLAT
        RUSLAT 25 August 2014 16: 17
        +4
        Sheer stupidity! If I need to buy friend’s loyalty, then this is not a friend, but a mercenary. Which can change the owner, according to your friend, if he is paid more. Such a friend is worse than the enemy.
        1. 23 region
          23 region 25 August 2014 23: 17
          0
          Quote: RUSLAT
          Sheer stupidity! If I need to buy friend’s loyalty, then this is not a friend, but a mercenary. Which can change the owner, according to your friend, if he is paid more. Such a friend is worse than the enemy.

          So then who is the Baltic States for the EU? Friend or mercenary?
          1. RUSLAT
            RUSLAT 26 August 2014 00: 07
            0
            The Baltic states are farm laborers who are ready to work for the one who pays the most. This applies to the so-called elite, as ordinary people don’t get anything!
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 26 August 2014 01: 38
            0
            disposable bedding for dirty feet
    3. RUSLAT
      RUSLAT 25 August 2014 16: 12
      +2
      Buying a brother's loyalty? Oh well! And about losing in people's minds is a very big mistake! The media has nothing to do with it, there are always traitors and scum. I remember 90 years in Riga there was a group of Russian guys with placards “Russians away from Latvia.” To my question, is this not a betrayal? They were very surprised, because they pay for it ..... (for standing with a poster)!
    4. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 25 August 2014 17: 25
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      while the media are working - the Russian Federation is very losing in the battle for the minds. And loses not somewhere but nearby. Relatives and even Russians themselves found themselves in Ukraine.
      And there are a lot of them.
      You need to be able to buy not only loyalty ....
      What generally prevented keeping Ukraine in its field? Next to it, there is an energy dependence on the market.
      Blanching zone ... in the end, any country closely monitors precisely its neighbors.
      You can, of course, like in ancient times, be friends with a neighbor's neighbor ... But it doesn’t work out.

      In the 90s, our own mess prevented us from influencing Ukraine, Russia was then clearly unattractive even for Ukraine, which got the best piece of the Soviet legacy. Subsequently, until about 2005, Russia paid off its debts to the IMF, that is, it was not independent in its actions. After that, I confess, there is some truth in your invectives. At that time such "thinkers" as Chernomyrdin and then Zurabov were appointed ambassadors to Ukraine.
    5. 97110
      97110 25 August 2014 17: 32
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      What generally prevented keeping Ukraine in its field? Next to it, there is an energy dependence on the market.

      It’s good to be young and beautiful. At a time when it interfered ... in Russia there was a board of EBN and its consequences. And before EBN, too, it was ... The boys specifically resolved their issues. And you about government issues. ALL that was not prohibited was ALLOWED. And much is now not prohibited.
  20. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 25 August 2014 15: 18
    +3
    The west exaggerates the impact of sanctions on Russia, yes, our economy, which, like any other, is sharpened on loans, will have to look for new sources of them, most likely from our Chinese "comrades", who are already rubbing their hands with pleasure, since the payment for loans will inevitably rise due to the elimination of competitors. But I am sure that our partners miscalculated in another, more important one. They themselves, unwillingly, instead of a rather sluggish mood in society, included the famous Russian "Russians do not surrender." Proof of this is the actions of our heroes in the Donbass, in which, in fact, from scratch, in two or three months they created an army that proved its combat effectiveness. That is, mobilization sentiments have already appeared, which at one time saved the USSR in the Second World War. The West does not understand this, continues to press on us, which facilitates their victory in society. I hope that, firstly, within our power, at last, there will be a disengagement from the supporters of reliance on the West. If the West continues to press on us, then the cautious and prudent Putin will simply be forced to do it, despite the squeals and groans. which will happen because of this.
  21. andj61
    andj61 25 August 2014 15: 40
    +2
    Quote: GDP
    Desalinated by river runoff goes to the Sea of ​​Marmara, and therefore lighter Black Sea water, and towards it, more precisely under it, through the Bosphorus threshold, more salty and heavier Mediterranean water slides into the depths of the Black Sea. It turns out something like a giant sump, in the depths of which hydrogen sulfide has gradually accumulated over the past six to seven thousand years.

    All this does not explain the formation of such an amount of hydrogen sulfide. The Mediterranean Sea is a similar reservoir, but there is no hydrogen sulfide at all. The Caspian Sea is actually a lake - hydrogen sulfide is also absent. Yes and no, in the Black Sea there are so many bio-residues that could cause the appearance of this mass of hydrogen sulfide.
    So the theory presented in the article, although unsteady, can have a place. True, it does not answer one question - how gas or oil fields lead to infection with hydrogen sulfide, because there is not so much sulfur in these deposits.
    A much more plausible other explanation.
    Ice Age - freezing of the ocean and the formation of a "dam" between America - Greenland - Europe, as well as the Bering Strait. The accumulation of ice in the Arctic Ocean, and then, since the water under the ice is incompressible, the release of this water with ice onto the East European and West Siberian plains. Moreover, all the organic matter that was on the plain ends up in the Black Sea. Rotting in water with a lack of oxygen forms hydrogen sulfide.
    The same explains frozen mammoths in whose stomach undigested food. It also explains the formation in the steppe from the Volga to the Ob of a heap of salt lakes, while literally nearby there are fresh lakes - sea water has entered the lowlands - salt lake, ice has remained - fresh.
    True, this theory does not remove the issue of the Caspian Sea.
  22. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 25 August 2014 15: 46
    +1
    In pressure on Russia, the West acts ineffectively because it does not understand the mentality of Russians. I do not like the word mentality, because I associate it with the police department, but I did not come up with another. and the West is different. There is something wrong in a well-fed and prosperous France, small, not visible from here. And now Hollande's rating has fallen to values ​​apparently corresponding to the number of homosexuals and lesbians whom he has benefited.
  23. Astartes
    Astartes 25 August 2014 15: 48
    0
    The USA may not have earned money, but their main goal is rather to drive as deep a Wedge as possible between Ukraine and Russia, since it has long been known that Russia’s return without Ukraine’s return will never become a Super Power. Not for this, they were breaking up the Union in order to again allow the strengthening of the Russians. Therefore, Europe also holds the Shtatovsky’s tail because it is also sooo afraid of it. (They think that when Russia gains strength, it will deal with them the same way it does with Russia.)
    1. RUSLAT
      RUSLAT 25 August 2014 21: 59
      +2
      The United States measures everything on its own and, therefore, with regard to the Slavs, they always remain fools. They do not know the simple Slavic custom that the strongest friendship after a good fight. (of course, after the destruction of all the Nazis). After all, as it happens in life, two men fight, then the cops separate them, so they pile up the cops together, and then they go to drink for friendship .....
      1. 23 region
        23 region 25 August 2014 23: 23
        +1
        Quote: RUSLAT
        the strongest friendship after a good fight. (of course after the destruction of all the Nazis).

        I recalled from Zadornov. Tourist Germans drank fresh milk and poke money at the granny. What money, Germans, after all, we fought!
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 26 August 2014 07: 54
        0
        Quote: RUSLAT
        then they will go to drink for friendship

        Try to explain to the non-Russian, in the broad sense, that the banquet after the fight is organized and paid by the party that won the fight. And the loser, due to the current situation, cannot but take part, even in the complete absence of material means and the presence of a stomach ulcer.
  24. Luga
    Luga 25 August 2014 15: 56
    +3
    Personally, I have not put a plus or minus to the article. Maybe I didn’t understand something, but if the essence of what was written by the author is limited to the fact that Ukraine is potentially rich in hydrocarbons, so it was a target for mattresses, then it seems to me that this view is somewhat ... er ... one-sided, or something.
    I am convinced that in the battle for Ukraine, political aspects are considered in the first place, and the economic component for the states is limited by the desire to transform once prosperous areas with developed agriculture and industry, education, etc. tens of thousands of illiterate peasants mow every year in a corner of the wild, in which patriarchal life reigns, and hunger and typhoid or there, malaria.
    At the same time, one should not forget about the military-strategic position of Ukraine as a springboard for a possible campaign against Moscow. The fact that this campaign (military) mattress is still forced to refuse does not mean anything. They will never lose hope that sooner or later it will take place.
    Hydrocarbons, of course, are important and necessary business. But in order to get them, you need to invest money, and this, I assure you, is not and was not in the plans of the mattress. "Victory is when all the enemy soldiers are killed and all his things are broken." They invented this for themselves and live by this principle all their conscious life. This is exactly what will happen in Ukraine, if they win, they will kill everyone and break everything.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 26 August 2014 07: 59
      +1
      Quote: Luga
      Personally, I did not put a plus or minus to the article.

      And I set +. I also don’t agree with everything, and I can perceive the situation a little differently. But the author, in his spare time he worked with sources, summarized, made conclusions and presented his point of view. And I thank him for that.
      1. Luga
        Luga 26 August 2014 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: samoletil18
        And I set +. I also don’t agree with everything, and I can perceive the situation a little differently. But the author, in his spare time he worked with sources, summarized, made conclusions and presented his point of view. And I thank him for that.


        Maybe you're right. Convinced. hi Now I will put smile
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 26 August 2014 21: 33
          +1
          + from me, for support and understanding. hi
  25. Semenov
    Semenov 25 August 2014 15: 57
    0
    The essence of the West - for a penny they strangle themselves. This is the main difference between civilizations. What is Western democracy?
  26. hasanov8383
    hasanov8383 25 August 2014 15: 59
    +2
    Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, etc. Interestingly, which oil and gas country of the SSF fascists will democratize next time? "Oil was found in Antarctica. Soon SSFascists will overthrow the bloody tyranny of penguins" what
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 26 August 2014 21: 36
      0
      I would like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
  27. RUSLAT
    RUSLAT 25 August 2014 16: 20
    +1
    The article is one-sided. The idea is good, but the conclusions are very controversial, and the facts are doubtful.
  28. Signaller
    Signaller 25 August 2014 17: 04
    +2
    How much interesting have we learned about our own and others' bowels by reading the article. Very interesting, but .....
    For what war is being waged from Novorossia, just like a nail .. For the TRUTH, no more.
  29. wbigfire
    wbigfire 25 August 2014 17: 48
    0
    I put the article a minus, because it is a typical example when incorrect and, therefore, contradictory conclusions are drawn from the correct source data.
  30. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 25 August 2014 18: 09
    -1
    It is a pity for time wasted, the author can see, in addition to the ability to count money, he is not burdened with a sense of morality and duty to the Motherland and does not know history at all.
  31. andrew42
    andrew42 25 August 2014 18: 11
    +1
    I'm afraid they are pushing Russia into 2 fronts. If we get stuck in Ukraine for a long time, then Central Asia will flare up. True, Iran is still standing, and thank God. But to believe the crushed ahs of puppeteers from the United States like "ISIS is advancing! Everyone to fight ISIS" is nonsense. Tomorrow, the same ISIS will become an instrument of the invasion of the world behind the scenes, it is now being fed at the expense of its former sponsors. And as soon as the Islamic Caliphate comes to Asia, there will be greetings from the south. And there China is not far off. The biggest and most terrible threat of the 3rd anti-Russian echelon. Reformatted and delivered when the hour came. This third threat is the most terrible. Far East and Siberia are our everything. This is worse than NATO in Chernigov. Who will settle the Far East? White Americans fleeing angry blacks? :))
    1. 23 region
      23 region 25 August 2014 23: 36
      0
      Quote: andrew42
      I'm afraid they are pushing Russia into 2 fronts.

      Today on Censor was koment.
      Latvia needs to open a 2nd front against the Russian Federation. Then Russia is over.
      LAUGHING OUT LOUD.
      PS. Sorry, a little off topic.
      1. RUSLAT
        RUSLAT 26 August 2014 00: 12
        0
        And what army appeared in Latvia? Tell me where I would like to see.
  32. andrew42
    andrew42 25 August 2014 18: 14
    0
    This is such a thing. E7-e5 answered, but start introducing the endgame :)
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 26 August 2014 01: 47
      0
      Do you mean the Berlin endgame?
  33. Spasatel
    Spasatel 25 August 2014 20: 04
    +1
    Gentlemen, what are you spoiled for the article specifically? Yes, that's not the point ...
    The main thing is to understand the situation on a global scale, and here the author is right. Anglo-Saxons is our enemy, always and forever !!!
    So it was, is, and will be! This is what the author tried to convey to us. By the way, if Russia always had a difficult relationship with the Germans, and we beat our faces to each other's blood for many years, but for some reason I have a calm attitude towards the Germans. Well, what only happens with friends ...
    But the Anglo-Saxons are something else !!!
    Hatred of Russia and the desire to destroy it once and for all was written in their history as a red thread. And it was they who pushed their foreheads against Russia and Germany, Russia and Prussia, and so in all of our eventful history.
    But what is interesting - the leitmotif of ALL Anglo-Saxon policies is to receive dividends at the expense of others. Let them beat each other's faces and shed their blood - and we'll see. And we will catch our large fish in this muddy water.
    Bastards.
  34. Epizikl
    Epizikl 25 August 2014 22: 58
    0
    Yeah...
    And in this dirty struggle, the Anglo-Saxons do not give a damn about human lives, no matter how many of them die, that of their own, that of strangers!

    TOTALLY EVIDUAL POLICY AND GOALS !!!
  35. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 26 August 2014 01: 49
    0
    Eurasianism vs. Atlantism - Dugin's Theory
  36. nomad74
    nomad74 26 August 2014 02: 05
    0
    Quote: Good cat
    But besides the presence of various deposits, there are also conditions for their occurrence, production difficulties, etc. If in Ukraine there are so many sweets of all kinds then why, in due time, did the USSR go to Sibir for gas and oil?


    Because in Siberia and the Urals there really is oil and gas. But in Ukraine there is only a hypothesis so far, since there has not been much exploratory drilling, and in practice there are many cases where gas and oil seem to be explored, but they start drilling an production well, and here the result: a small debit, respectively, about commercial production it is not a question. Moreover, information on oil and gas reserves in Ukraine is contradictory. Rather, it’s all pure geopolitics to create a bridgehead against Russia, the rest is to divert eyes and brainwash!
  37. press officer
    press officer 26 August 2014 07: 21
    0
    Quote: mig31
    It is quite clear what America wants - to create its own controlled "state" in the center of Europe in order to sever Russia from Europe and dictate its will to everyone ...


    Rooster Parashka with Yaytsenyuh are trying hard to realize their dreams! am and the people of dill are waiting for a better life ... fool As my friend from Kherson said, "Europe doesn't need us either? Why did they invest so much money in our politics?" ... crying The finish ... and she is against the war and wants to return to the USSR .. and even believes that now dill can not be her homeland .. what But there is still hope that they will take their geyropa to themselves ... fool