American base in Uzbekistan?




Recently, the Uzbek Internet resource UzMetronom.com reported on the possible deployment of a US military base in Uzbekistan, which should replace the Transit Center in July in the suburb of Bishkek. And although the information about this has already been refuted by the Uzbek Foreign Ministry, the Americans themselves do not doubt the plans of preserving the military presence in Central Asia.

The reason for the appearance of assumptions about the US intention to place military facilities in Uzbekistan was the visit to Tashkent of the commander of the Central Command of the US Armed Forces, General Lloyd Jay Austin III. According to UzMetronom.com, the purpose of the visit is “to obtain the consent of Uzbekistan to be deployed in the Uzbek city of Termez, which is separated from Afghanistan only by Amu Darya, the American military contingent and military equipment, primarily aviation". Since the legislation of Uzbekistan prohibits the deployment of foreign military bases on its territory, the US base can operate under the guise of a logistics center, while being a full-fledged military structure.

The tasks of the base will include not only control over Afghanistan, but also electronic tracking of all the states of Central Asia, Kazakhstan, and partially Russia and China. For all this, the United States "according to rumors in diplomatic circles" is ready to pay Uzbekistan 1 billion dollars annually.

Americans already have experience of military presence in Uzbekistan. 2001 to 2005 At the military airfield in Khanabad, located in the Kashkadarya region of Uzbekistan near the city of Karshi, there was a US military base. Its status was governed by an agreement concluded in October 2001. The United States actually re-built the airfield, deploying a squadron of military transport aircraft C-130, about ten Black Hawk and 1500 helicopters of military personnel. The base was used to support US military action in Afghanistan. As known, история her stay in Uzbekistan ended after the US, under pressure from the public, demanded that the Uzbek authorities independently investigate the Andijan events 2005. In July, 2005 Uzbekistan stated that the United States should stop using the base for six months, and in November the last American plane left Karshi -Hanabad. The aircraft was partially redeployed to Bagram, and partly to the US base at the Kyrgyz airport Manas. However, the base in Manas was officially closed in July of this year, and the Americans who did not want to leave Central Asia had to find a new place for it.

Information about the possible deployment of a US military base in Uzbekistan is not the first time. In August, 2012, the Kazakh newspaper Liter, an organ of the ruling Nur Otan party, announcing the Central Asian tour of US Assistant Secretary of State Robert Blake, reported on the likelihood of a US military base deployed in Uzbekistan. Following this, the Russian Kommersant, citing sources close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan, reported on the negotiations between Washington and Tashkent over the creation of the Rapid Response Center, whose task would be to coordinate actions in the event of an aggravation of the situation in Afghanistan. The base was supposed to be the largest US military facility in Central Asia, which would assume most of the functions of supporting the American grouping in Afghanistan. In addition, the United States planned to transfer part of the military equipment and equipment being exported from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan.

In response, Russia in November 2012 announced plans to modernize the armies of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, putting them weapon and equipment for 1,5 billion. Since Dushanbe and Bishkek’s relations with Tashkent leave much to be desired, these plans did not cause any enthusiasm in Uzbekistan. In December, Uzbek diplomats assured the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, S. Lavrov, that there would be no US base in the republic. Nevertheless, Tashkent continued to refrain from participating in all unions and integration projects with the participation of Russia. In December 2012, he left the CSTO, and earlier left the EurAsEC, considering it ineffective. Uzbekistan initially did not participate in the negotiations on the establishment of the Customs Union, considering it as a threat to its sovereignty. In June of this year, President Islam Karimov criticized the agreement on the creation of a Eurasian Economic Union signed by Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus. “They say they create only an economic market and will in no way give up sovereignty and independence,” he said at a meeting with representatives of international business and foreign diplomats. “Tell me, can there be political independence without economic independence?”

The UzMetronom.com message about negotiations on the deployment of a US base in Uzbekistan may well be a “test balloon” designed to probe the reaction of Russia. At the same time, the development of US-Uzbek relations in recent years shows that this possibility should not be ruled out.

Unlike most states in the region, Uzbekistan unequivocally condemned Russia's actions in the Crimea and Ukraine.

4 March, before the Crimean referendum and the inclusion of the peninsula in Russia, the Uzbek Foreign Ministry expressed concern about the "real threats to sovereignty and territorial integrity" of Ukraine, calling for the use of force options and resolving the conflict solely by political means. 24 March, after the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Federation, the press service of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry reiterated the need "to refrain in international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state." In the opinion of Uzbekistan, the only reasonable way out of the current situation could be direct bilateral negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, the delay of which only leads to the aggravation of contradictions.

Since the beginning of this year, diplomatic contacts between the United States and Uzbekistan have noticeably intensified, not only at the political, but also at the military level. For example, 15, 28 and 30 in January at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan met with US Ambassador George Krol, who discussed with his Uzbek colleagues "relevant aspects of bilateral relations." On February 21, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan was visited by a group of students from the US National Defense University headed by retired general Joseph Hoar. On February 26, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Richard Hoagland arrived in Tashkent and held talks with Uzbek Foreign Minister Abdulaziz Kamilov. On April 18, a delegation of senior diplomats from a number of US diplomatic missions headed by Deputy Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asia, US Secretary of State Eileen O'Connor, visited the capital of Uzbekistan. May 7, US Deputy Secretary of State William Burns arrived in Tashkent on a working visit. 13 June, the head of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry in Tashkent held talks with the senior director for Russia and Eurasia of the US National Security Council Celesta Anna Wallender. 20 June A. Kamilov received the US delegation led by US Deputy Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Laurel Miller.

Finally, on July 29-30, a visit to Uzbekistan of General Lloyd Jay Austen took place, which raised suspicions about the possible opening of a US military base in the republic. Moreover, unlike all previous delegations, it was adopted by I. Karimov.

British diplomacy in Uzbekistan was quite high, although not as significant as the United States. January 29 and February 7 in the Uzbek Foreign Ministry held a meeting with British Ambassador George Edgar. 30 January, he participated in the negotiations that took place in the foreign ministry of Uzbekistan, together with American and French diplomats. In April, Baroness Saida Varsi, Senior State Minister for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, visited Tashkent and met in the Senate, the Cabinet of Ministers, the Foreign Ministry, and the Ministry of Foreign Economic Relations, Investments and Trade.

Western international organizations, dominated by US influence, also maintain active diplomatic ties with Uzbekistan. In January, the Special Representative of the European Union for Central Asia, Patricia Flor, visited Uzbekistan, discussing the development of economic relations. On June 4, the head of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry met with the new EU envoy for the region, Janos Herman. On May 9, 16 A. Kamilov met with the Special Representative of the NATO Secretary General for Central Asia and the Caucasus, James Appathurai, who visited Tashkent in connection with the official opening of the Alliance's bureau of relations with the states of the region.

In total, since the beginning of this year, according to official data, 10 meetings have been held with various officials and delegations of the USA, 4 - Great Britain, 2 - EU and 1 - NATO. In total, 17 rounds of various negotiations, and the 3 US delegations that visited the capital of Uzbekistan, were composed of military. For comparison, Russian diplomats held meetings with Uzbek colleagues, 5 diplomats, and 3 rounds of ministerial consultations, and official Russian delegations, according to information from the Uzbek Foreign Ministry, were not noticed in Tashkent.

That is, the activity of Russian diplomacy in Tashkent was at least twice lower than the combined efforts of the United States, Britain, NATO and the European Union.
Their interest in developing ties with Tashkent suggests that in the context of the unfolding confrontation with Russia, the West might like to stake on it, turning it into an outpost on the extremely strategic military-strategic southern frontiers of the Russian Federation.

The official pretext for this is the continued US presence in Afghanistan. Despite the fact that most of the US troops this year should leave it, some of them will remain there at least until 2016. And perhaps even longer, since no one is stopping the US President from making a new statement "in view of the changed situation." In Iraq, for example, it has already changed and demanded military intervention by the Americans. The format of the US military presence in Afghanistan is not completely clear. We are talking about a contingent of several thousand to several tens of thousands of military personnel who, naturally, will have to be supplied with everything necessary. Their presence is the pretext by which the United States wants to gain a foothold in Uzbekistan for a long time, increasing its influence in Central Asia. US Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, during his June visit to Tashkent, openly proposed the creation of an aviation maintenance office in the country to provide air transportation to Afghanistan. "The United States will be committed to maintaining peace and stability in Afghanistan and throughout the region after 2014, he told Uzbek journalists," The United States’s obligations in this very important region of the world remain. The USA is not going anywhere. ”

One gets the feeling that, both in Ukraine and in Central Asia, Americans are persistently acting on the patterns of Z. Brzezinski, who noted the key role of Uzbekistan in confronting the alleged “imperial ambitions of Moscow”.

"Uzbekistan, which from the national point of view is the most important and most populous country in Central Asia, is the main obstacle to the resumption of Russia's control over the region," he argued in the "Grand Chessboard." “The independence of Uzbekistan is crucial for the survival of other Central Asian states, and besides, it is least vulnerable to pressure from Russia.” The reasons for the fact that the republic is the main candidate for the role of regional leader in Central Asia, American geopolitics considered the most numerous population in the region, its mono-ethnic composition and strong national identity, based on deep cultural and historical traditions. He especially emphasized the fact that Uzbekistan has always consistently opposed the creation within the CIS framework of any supranational institutions capable of somehow limiting its sovereignty.

At the same time, caution of Tashkent in terms of deploying the US base is quite understandable.

Economically, Uzbekistan is still highly dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and a major labor market for guest workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1 / 5 GDP.

In addition, the presence of a foreign military base, which in a critical situation can be the object of military strikes, is not the most pleasant acquisition. Under the conditions of the strongest years of crisis in relations between Russia and the collective West, which is the strongest in the last 20-30, Tashkent has to consider this option.
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  1. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 23 August 2014 07: 39 New
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    TO DRIVE THESE UZBEKIVS FROM RUSSIA -that is a corrupt base to put an American base that everyone loves to cut money for free
    1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 08: 32 New
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      Quote: VICTOR-61
      TO DRIVE THESE UZBEKIVS FROM RUSSIA -that is a corrupt base to put an American base that everyone loves to cut money for free

      4.2 million unemployed in the 2014 year. http://www.rosmintrud.ru/employment/employment/366
      3,6 million Ukrainian citizens are located in Russia, representing the largest number of labor migrants, said Konstantin Romodanovsky, head of the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation. According to the head of the FMS, 2 million citizens of Uzbekistan also work in Russia.
      In total, 14 million visitors have been registered, 11 million are hanging out in Russia. A chauvinist with Ganyi, the president of Ukraine is probably sweeping the street for you, maybe we will expel the Ukrainians? Why, iron logic!
      Can you suggest something sensible? throat.
      1. pravednik 23 August 2014 09: 17 New
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        Do you want Uzbekistan to build Uzbekistan with the help of America for our money? Let all the Uzbeks joke to their home and thank their president. The fewer migrants, the more entrepreneurs will be more responsible for their workers, and not exploit as slaves. Yes, and migrants now don’t really agree to work for a penny. And you shouldn’t talk about quality at all. Everyone knows how to do everything, but the question is how?
        1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 09: 54 New
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          Suppose, pravednik, that you went to work in the USA and earned 300 000 rubles in half a year, and in Russia, in the same profession, 100 000, if you are kicked out, because of Putin back to Uryupinsk, will you scold Putin or Obama? Most likely Obama, but UZBEKS WILL IN YOURSELF WILL KILL YOUR PRESIDENT. Are you out of your mind, my friend? He drove out 2 of a million legal ones, he’ll snatch so many illegal ones (half of the crimes), but you’ll howl like a wolf. Legal plow for real money and pay taxes, and illegal immigrants, correctly, plow slaves. So what am I wrong about? Do you distinguish between the term Labor migrants (legal) and migrants who work informally? Drive everyone and close the border? Flag in hand and drum on the neck! Russia will have 3-4 million more enemies. The destabilization of Uzbekistan has started.
          1. iung
            iung 23 August 2014 13: 22 New
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            And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us? read the Uzbek history textbooks there it is definitely written to Russia for them. To deport all non-legal and to review the legality of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks. Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.? Your mantra about hardworking janitors is beaten in order and does not correspond to reality. In my area, all the wipers are local and work hard. Apparently for people like you, the slogan “GO YOUR OWN RUSSIA” has never been relevant ...
            1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 16: 17 New
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              Quote: iung
              And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?
              to the freemasons? I don’t give a shit about what politicians in Uzbekistan think about me at home, but the people with whom I spoke in Russia (construction crews) are completely normal.
              Quote: iung
              Deport all non legal
              and legal workers are just 2 million according to the FMS. If you expel the Uzbeks, the Tajiks will occupy a niche.
              Quote: iung
              the legitimacy of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks.

              FAQ Is it about the citizens of Uzbekistan or about the Uzbeks (smacks of nationalism)?
              Quote: iung
              Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.?
              Russian-speaking arrived
              to us, but I will not say anything about Russians (of which you probably spoke) (you yourself asked and answer in 2000, it was 1 million). The policy of the empire was colonial, and the policy of the USSR was anti-Islamic (including) Do you want to? Do Uzbeks conduct hostile policies against Russia? Not. So not enemies. And the Russians in Uzbekistan are really colonists. The disregard for compatriots led to tragedy, and given that every second Russian atheist is not surprising.
              1. iung
                iung 23 August 2014 16: 29 New
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                moksha or erzya?
                1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 16: 59 New
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                  Erzya, the Russian-speaking assimilant.)) I hardly communicate with my ancestors. It’s a shame but nothing can be done.
              2. iung
                iung 23 August 2014 16: 43 New
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                I should not sew nationalism), although this is now particularly trendy. Apparently, the interests of such construction dealers are spoiling the labor market. Not for you to tell the Mordvin about the mentality of the Uzbeks. The legitimacy of obtaining citizenship is a thing that is relevant in the light of all the left schemes. Ala, marriage to a grandmother, for you, it smells more like gerantophilia, and not nationalism
                1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 17: 02 New
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                  Quote: iung
                  I should not sew nationalism

                  Quote: iung
                  And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?

                  Quote: iung
                  Apparently, the interests of such construction dealers are spoiling the labor market.
                  Yes. but it’s half the trouble.
                  Quote: iung
                  Do not you tell Mordvin about the mentality of the Uzbeks

                  Quote: iung
                  I should not sew nationalism)

                  Quote: iung
                  The legitimacy of obtaining citizenship is a thing that is relevant in the light of all the left schemes. Ala, marriage to a grandmother, for you, it smells more like gerantophilia, and not nationalism
                  And this is finally but comments.
              3. g1v2 23 August 2014 16: 48 New
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                Well, I saw a lot of Uzbeks and for the most part they were normal men. I have never heard any Russophobic statements from them. Another thing is that it would be a good move to blackmail Karimov with the possible deportation of migrants from Uzbekistan. Tk, he obviously will not be able to provide work for all returning migrants, which means that social upheavals are possible. We really do not need extra enemies, but don’t sacrifice our interests either. I think it’s time to learn from the experience of mattresses and begin to raise the pro-Russian opposition. Karimov is not eternal, and after his departure, you can put your man. And do not say that this does not concern us - it concerns, we will not support pro-Russian forces in neighboring countries or those that interest us, the Americans will put their people and we will be in the ring of enemies.
                1. iung
                  iung 23 August 2014 17: 02 New
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                  To understand such things, you need to live there.
                2. Penzuck 23 August 2014 17: 03 New
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                  We do not need social tension in Uzbekistan, so this is not an option.
                  1. iung
                    iung 23 August 2014 17: 22 New
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                    Tension is hyper birth rate and standard of living.
          2. kyznets 23 August 2014 13: 33 New
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            In Russia, comrade Penzuk, and now there are 3-4 million enemies, and they are in Russia. And they will always blame Putin and it is Russian. And to drive them out, our officials and businessmen will treat their Russians better, and 3-4 million enemies of Russia will be sitting in their villages, and not near by. And you do not need to throw accusations of "ghana chauvinism" and call your name a gorlopan. This primarily characterizes you. You have no one to clean on the streets, no one to work on construction sites except Uzbeks? But didn’t they try to pay the Russians normally and didn’t try to treat them normally? And didn’t you try to take part of the salary and bribes from them? There are no prisoners in Belarus, and I was in the district city of Kobrin, Brest region. It is clean, tidy, well-groomed. And they themselves work at construction sites. Accustomed to take on the throat, hand out labels. You are probably a civil servant or businessman. You press the numbers very “competently”, but don’t follow the words like a schoolboy. Rudeness and demagogy is not an argument.
            1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 16: 32 New
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              4 million unemployed according to data from the FMS. Well, we will expel the Central Asians. 2 + 1 = 3 million (Tajiks and Uzbeks (legal migrants (legal labor migrants and illegal)) another million where to attach? Moldovans expel? (500 000), who else?
              An example is a group of five people (Uzbeks) visiting 2 weeks in a village at the invitation of a local (not an official) team doing work, gets the money and dumps (a third rollback to the local businessman businessman) they take the same amount of work as the Russians. after 2 weeks the second group, etc. It is easier for a villager to hire Uzbeks and save money. How to hire a Russian, besides they still have to find. And the Uzbeks almost live in your neighbors. Entrepreneurs do not pay esn, that’s the whole benefit of illegal workaholics. When the 1 ment on the 20 000 population, how do you control everyone? It’s not accepted to knock with us (and there’s no reason, they don’t smoke anasha to the girls, they don’t bother, they know their business, they behave decently). To expel is not an option, you need to create jobs for the Russians!
              1. iung
                iung 23 August 2014 16: 54 New
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                Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.
                1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 17: 06 New
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                  Quote: iung
                  Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.


                  And why didn’t they hit on illegal immigrants to the police, the FSB, the FSK, and the mass of options?
                  Che then raise the topic?
                  1. iung
                    iung 23 August 2014 17: 26 New
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                    Everyone was detained, as expected, but the media did not particularly deliberate on this topic and did not focus on the status of detainees.
                2. Penzuck 23 August 2014 17: 11 New
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                  Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.

                  Where is your civic position? FSB, FSKN, police to the extremes? Half of the crimes according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs due to fault illegal migrants (not just Uzbeks), you want to drive out the Uzbeks, and all of them.
                  1. iung
                    iung 23 August 2014 17: 43 New
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                    What stupidity) why did you get that I want to drive out all the Uzbeks ?! it’s only that the government of Uzbekistan needs to be friendly towards Russia. Talking about the base is now very painful for Russia, and Mr. Karimov, as a very cunning politician, will not miss the chance to play such a card to receive bonuses both from current mattresses and from Russia. This is a type of Polish apples for Uzbekistan.
              2. KBR109 23 August 2014 22: 42 New
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                Krasnodar. Tajiks and Uzbeks at construction sites. Our crowded out. Cheaper but worse. They smoke everything that burns, the level of serious ones was raised by 57% (including rape). They behave decently in the afternoon in the city center. Drive !!! I have already seen their families with children and grandparents. Forward Russia to Tajik patrols! Like in London!
              3. kyznets 24 August 2014 03: 20 New
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                Firstly, the FMS data is still that data. We have more than half of the local unemployed unregistered. And many Russians, including work informally, like Uzbeks and Tajiks. Only for the money that Uzbeks really pay, normal Russian specialists (they know their job, don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t hooligans) will not go to work. And businessmen brought in Uzbeks and take in quantity. There is still a benefit: an Uzbek can be kicked out at any time and hire another. You can not pay an Uzbek. I work in construction. I see all this every day. And as before, the builder could earn, and how migrants bring down the payment. Although among the Uzbeks there are really fewer drinkers and smokers. When there were no migrants yet, local specialists were paid better, and held on to them, there were less scammers. And about the lack of working hands. Even under socialism there was such a term - intensification. This means taking not by increasing the number of people, but by mechanization, automation, and the quality of specialists. Bourgeois instead of three migrants with shovels will buy one harvesting machine, or a small excavator. In Kamchatka in the 60s, soldiers cleaned the roads after a blizzard. A battalion with shovels walked along the track and threw all day. And now this work is done in half an hour by one screw rotor. The issue is not the number of migrants, but the quality of power and businessmen.
            2. Penzuck 23 August 2014 16: 51 New
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              And what will the orphan youth of Uzbekistan do? 2 million is the army, will the Wahhabis fill their brains and fight even against the Tajiks, even against the Kazakhs, if they don’t have a place in their homeland, where will they go (they won’t sit in villages)? The increase in 4 million people over 10 years, after deducting as Russian exterminated 1 million, 5 million Uzbeks, so here 2 million are just superfluous people. You are quoting the number of legal workers, the number of illegal workers will increase, the next ones will come out. Moreover, 1 million unemployed Russians are registered, the rest do not even itch, I got a job at the factory and earned 7000 steering wheels for six months, but as a result I snatched a good place and did not complain. And biomass continues to scold Putin. Take everything into your own hands and nae_vay. What do these unemployed live on? you will live on the 5500 allowance x_er and you will not raise children. So housewives and householders. So do not want to work! We are building a denouement in the northern meadow, so all the drivers of Slavic-looking equipment, the Turks, I only watched with a shovel (I see every day). The decline in fertility has led to a crisis in the labor sector, and here I do not know the Uzbeks.
          3. Su24 23 August 2014 22: 26 New
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            I do not understand why some are dissatisfied here, but the flow of migrants and the dependence of the Uzbek economy on Russia is a real lever for influencing the foreign policy of Tashkent. It is enough to reduce by 1/3 the quota for Uzbekistan so that Karimov understands that it is better not to quarrel with Russia.
        2. WKS
          WKS 23 August 2014 10: 58 New
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          Quote: pravednik
          Let all the Uzbeks joke to their home and thank their president. The fewer migrants, the more entrepreneurs will be more responsible for their workers, and not exploit as slaves.

          Uzbek guys are cunning, they do not go into slavery. Their earnings are simpler and healthier, with teams of 5 to 15 people in the European part of the Russian Federation in the summer they take off some kind of hut for an overnight stay. On old (from somewhere procured) bicycles, they go round the surrounding summer cottages every day, take up any unskilled work, dig the earth, plant vegetables, weed, cut firewood, etc. Moreover, Russian knows only one, he is their boss.
        3. pazuhinm 24 August 2014 19: 02 New
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          Tooting. Russians do not go to the construction site not because they are lazy. But because they do not agree to slavery. But Asians do not get used to it ...
      2. subbota86 23 August 2014 19: 44 New
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        and you were in Asia in 90, I was on my own skin and felt the suitcase station Russia, do not know what you don’t know!
        1. Penzuck 25 August 2014 11: 37 New
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          But I saw Tatar nationalism in Penza. As in 90's boys, spread rot in hostels. This is inside the Russian Federation. What do you want outside?
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          don't know what you don’t know!

          And I don’t say. Under the USSR, in 1969, the boys of 15-year-olds and vocational schools were sent to Uzbekistan to practice, Three keep a goby, cuts a fourth egg. So the boys did not bring any negativity from there. In 70, they were already serving in the army with the Uzbeks, nationalism was spying on everything, most of it was spinning “the sun” when the rest were at zero level. When you are strong - no one will touch you! And give slack and goodbye respect. So who is to blame? Uzbeks? or we? Now 5% of the population of Uzbekistan are Christians. 28 * 0,05 = 1,4 million. How many Russians died there 100-200 thousand, or maybe 300 - I don’t know, but it's not worth branding all the Uzbeks. These 5% live under serious pressure, but live.
      3. Serg7281
        Serg7281 24 August 2014 20: 13 New
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        Who's the throat so it's you - Penzuck. I’m used to being cleaned by others, even migrant workers from Uzbekistan. You're used to just crap everywhere.
        1. Penzuck 25 August 2014 11: 20 New
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          Screamer - A man who speaks a lot and in vain. Gorlopan = Screamer.
          Quote: Serg7281
          I'm used to being cleaned up by others

          I do not litter.
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          You're used to just crap everywhere.
          He came after me with a shovel?

          But is it not idle talk about mosk_ilyaku-gi_lyaku, hva_tit kor_mit kav_kazz, uz_bekov - down? Where is your tolerance and libiry? In addition, in my commentary I tried to prove that it is impossible to judge the people only because we do not like the policies of their leader.
    2. siberalt 23 August 2014 09: 01 New
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      "Drive these Uzbeks out of Russia"?

      Ill-conceived or meaningless slogans are just as harmful as the verbal “dichlorvos” for cockroaches in the brain that sprinkles it.
      Like the Uzbeks, the most advanced people in culture from all of post-Soviet Asia. And all these sorrows about the deployment of unfriendly military bases come from someone else's personal interests of our ruling clans. And nothing more. Just something is not shared. And no sane policy.
      I won’t tell you for the whole of Odessa, but perhaps for the Altai Territory. Although the father of apples "Almaty" will be closer to us, but there are no fruits from there. Only Chinese clothes, disgusting confectionery and illegal cheap vodka with cigarettes. But from Uzbekistan the whole range of fruits, vegetables and melons, as well as pretty decent clothes. Here you have the vehicle. A head for a break, but something is wrong here.
      1. Zymran 23 August 2014 09: 07 New
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        Strange, we don’t have clothes from Uzbekistan, we have from Kyrgyzstan. For people with low incomes, a great option. Fruits, vegetables - yes, quality from Uzbekistan.

        Quote: siberalt
        Here you have the vehicle. A head for a break, but something is wrong here.


        I agree. Take better in the TS of Uzbeks. True, Karimov will not want to surrender all the state interests of the country in favor of the Russian Federation, as our 01 did.
        1. Buran 23 August 2014 09: 52 New
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          And what has Kazakhstan lost after entering the TS ??? Rather, Russia, to a greater extent, is compromising its interests. After all, even the fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus is gaining access to the WTO through Russia, without any losses in its economy and long-term and costly negotiations, as was the case with Russia, already says something.
          1. Max_Bauder 23 August 2014 09: 59 New
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            Our woodpeckers, if after gaining independence they invested in agriculture, now it would not be Brazil and Argentina (far from them), namely, we would deliver goods to Russia, meat, wheat, vegetables and fruits, all of this is growing in our country. But no, it’s cheaper for us to buy chemicals from abroad ... all these abroad, and sell our resources to them. Russia itself acted in exactly the same way, so it found itself in such a situation. Oligarchs, sir. So many jobs would be, and a strategic rear would be provided. Still, instead of supporting the northern neighbor, at least being neutral, well, these Europeans are importing their goods to us, but why smuggle Russia into Russia, is it so necessary to harm the ally ?! After all, they didn’t accept these sanctions to enrich them, but so that you and I would revive agriculture using the moment, because the clients are a whole state ?! competitor removed, which knocked down prices! Is it possible to start reviving our agriculture ?! losing weight with our ranks.
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              Quote: Max_Bauder
              Still, instead of supporting the northern neighbor, at least being neutral, well, these Europeans are importing their goods to us, but why smuggle Russia into Russia, is it so necessary to harm the ally ?!


              Please, facts of smuggling of European goods from Kazakhstan to Russia to the studio.

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              After all, they didn’t accept these sanctions to enrich them, but so that you and I would revive agriculture using the moment, because the clients are a whole state ?! competitor removed, which knocked down prices! Is it possible to start reviving our agriculture ?! losing weight with our ranks.


              The revival of agriculture is not a matter of one day or even a year. Here is a good article. http://www.radiotochka.kz/news/full/3800.html
              And in general, Russians have long been exporting agricultural products from border regions. Even melons from the SKO go there.
            2. ODERVIT 23 August 2014 14: 14 New
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              So if our woodpeckers invested in agriculture so invested in wheat, chicken ..... That cost yourself ....
          2. Zymran 23 August 2014 10: 08 New
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            Quote: Buran
            After all, even the fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus is gaining access to the WTO through Russia, without any losses in its economy and long-term and costly negotiations, as was the case with Russia, already says something.


            You are clearly not in the subject. Kazakhstan was negotiating accession to the WTO and was in the final stages when it joined the Customs Union. And in the TS it was necessary to support the Russian level of protection and accession negotiations again reached an impasse.

            By the way, only the completely idiotic and moronic position of the USA and the EU on issues of WTO accession prevented Kazakhstan from entering there earlier than in the Customs Union.

            And what has Kazakhstan lost after entering the TS ???


            Nuclear industry delivered to the Russians. The trade imbalance is increasing every year. Instead of normal cars - basins, rising prices. In addition, due to sanctions, the growth of investment in the country is slowing down.
            1. Buran 23 August 2014 11: 17 New
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              Well then, it’s you who are not in the subject, after the inclusion of Kazakhstan in the WTO, your agriculture and industry would finally have made a pen. Apparently you are poorly acquainted with the conditions. And how do sanctions directly against Russia concern the state of Kazakhstan? Your officials are not allowed into the EU, your banks are discriminated against, supplies of machinery and equipment are closed to you ...? What is your nuclear industry, in uranium mining, or equipment manufacturing?
            2. Semurg 23 August 2014 11: 23 New
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              Uzbekistan, like Kazakhstan, is in the orbit of interests of the former metropolis of the Russian Federation, the future empire of China and the real empire of the United States, and the main thing here is not to make a mistake with the choice (the National Academy of Sciences has long spoken Karimov on the subject of the union of Middle Asia, but something has not grown together, after that the construction of the vehicle began ) Kazakhstan .Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan have on their territory military bases, training grounds, military infrastructure of the Russian Federation (they are members of the Customs Union or are joining there), Uzbekistan makes its choice, Turkmenistan has already declared its non-block neutral status. Today, China is confidently in the lead in trade, investment, and investment in infrastructure, and if the pace is maintained, it will dominate in Central Asia without alternatives, and all military bases, training grounds, etc. will be in Central Asia until this threatens the interests of China.
      2. Penzuck 23 August 2014 10: 08 New
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        Siiralt`u: And I’m talking about the same thing, the article is probably a stuffing informational, and we are doing this bullshit and still stir up ethnic hatred. This is an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Moreover, a public appearance in the media, you can’t get off with a fine here. And instead of supporting our friendly forum, the herd of all minus my comment. Why is our forum better than a censor? The fact that such comments are suppressed
        Quote: VICTOR-61
        To drive these uzbeks from russia
        . negative
    3. Giant thought 23 August 2014 09: 25 New
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      Naturally, Russia needs to take countermeasures to prevent the emergence of a US military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, and there are plenty of options.
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      news - a provocation, for such dim-witted users like you ...))))
    5. Max_Bauder 23 August 2014 09: 54 New
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      I hope the Uzbeks come to their senses. Security is more expensive than money.
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    7. Juborg 23 August 2014 11: 49 New
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      Guys, it’s absolutely not a topic, but now I tried to watch Ryazanov’s film “Garage”, and caught myself thinking that I couldn’t watch it, look at these faces of the traitors of Russia. In this film, those actors are selected (who have not yet deceased) who sided with the junta and fascism.
      1. KBR109 23 August 2014 22: 47 New
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        Intellectuals are the guano of the nation. Did the classic Ulyanov say?
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      Quote: VICTOR-61
      To drive these uzbeks from Russia


      What a you, my friend, sweeping. With slogans like yours you can turn into Latvians. fool
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      VICTOR, sorry for the expression, you are Dumb!
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      Cadet787 23 August 2014 14: 32 New
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      The fate of New Russia can decide the naval landing
      17.07.2014 - 11: 40
      The media in recent days have repeatedly reported on the activities of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Novorossiysk militia on the Azov coast. These facts may indicate the preparation of a major landing operation behind enemy lines.
      The experience of the Great Patriotic War shows that such landing operations often have a decisive effect on the scale of the army and even the front-line theater of operations (theater of operations).
      Shocks on the coast become especially relevant, given the lack of effective anti-sabotage forces and means by punishers.

      Konstantin Dushenov
      1. Kasym 23 August 2014 19: 28 New
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        I am what I think. There would be no base in RU, long ago I would have signed up (before the withdrawal of the base from Manas), and Andijan still remembers everything. Such frequent trips amer. delegations tell me that Karimov does not say YES or NO. The people are very loyal to Russia and the Russians. But Karimov perfectly understands the importance of the Russian Federation for RU, especially since the Russian Federation showed its “teeth” to the West, and he will take advantage of this.
        By vehicle. Yes, the Republic of Kazakhstan at the initial stage takes a step back (price increases for imports due to higher customs rates). But this is so that then there is the opportunity to take 2 steps forward. And who does not understand this, he is not friends with his head. Here, Zymran, writes that they gave up the nuclear industry. IT IS NOT TRUE. KAZAKHSTAN WITH THE HELP OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION REACHED THE MOST HIGH-PROFITABLE LEVEL - ENRICHMENT. Prior to that, we had the lowest income in the entire nuclear business — selling a hake. Agreed 30% of the cost center in Angarsk and 15% in Uralsk. And where are the vaunted promises of the French and Canadians - they have been hanging noodles for about 10 years ?! Got access to our uranium, but failed to fulfill our obligations! WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNOLOGIES AT THE ULBINSK FACTORY? Here are many who ask the question: "Why the US does not do anything in the Republic of Kazakhstan (dirty tricks)?" Experts say the cause is URANIUM. But now in this business, with the help of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will take its rightful place (and earlier only the cheapest, first level redistribution). And Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation have developed a common development strategy for this industry. Yesterday or the day before yesterday there was an article about Ukrainian uranium, but the same author wrote before that about the kaz. uranium - anyone interested read.
        As for the rural economy of Kazakhstan. The government only last year began to prepare a targeted program for rural development. households RK. So it’s not surprising that the terrible state-state “hammered” into our villages and auls. I think now at least it will move - the day before the National Academy of Sciences dismissed the akim (governor) of the Alma-Ata region. for this. But judge for yourself. Take meat from South America. It must be brought, cleared. And we should be lucky to spit, but there is no customs. It's one thing to “fence” a 17 mil garden. people, another for 170 mil. The vehicle makes it possible to completely raise the villages. households - a sales market has appeared. For the same apples. Same. There is where to sell - please ?! My uncle has a garden, so I know what I mean. Earlier, apples of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation are pure smuggling. "I think with a neighbor to rent a truck in the Russian Federation, we'll see." "To work with the retail network, large volumes are needed, and for this we need" centers "for the consolidation of these food products (because we have small wholesale parties from the peasants), therefore, we need the help of the state." - MP Gos. Thoughts This is what the Kazakh authorities need to work on. I emphasize again. If there is a market, then this is half the battle. Or does someone think that our peasants do not want to drive good cars and live in good houses? The authorities need to do everything so that our peasants are in priority, they will not rust, they just help a little. hi
        1. Kasym 23 August 2014 20: 01 New
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          More interesting uranium facts.
          The access to Kazakhstani raw materials is very beneficial for all players in the uranium market - then the total cost of the hake falls. Canadians and French have it very high. Due to the new method of extraction - acid leaching (something like that), it is cheap here.
          All industry experts say that the price of raw materials will begin to rise rapidly - disarmament reserves are running out.
          China exports up to 50% of all extracted raw materials (hake). In exchange, we have an agreement on lending to any sector of the economy - they keep their word. General agreements on investments and what has already been given, in total, over $ 50 billion.
          Kazakhstan very stubbornly sought cooperation with the Russian Federation, because no one else would have given the opportunity to reach the highest level of redistribution and max. profits (enrichment, centrifuges). But only in 2006, Rosatom signed up for cooperation (before that, it was sitting on old stocks), but in fact it began in 2009. But before that, the United States, Canada, Japan, China and France had already climbed. “We turned to our ally and neighbor, but everything is busy there” -Kirienko, head of Rosatom. Well, now the Russian Federation has 22% of raw materials and 50% of all foreign production. And we worked out a common strategy in the uranium business, and the RK got what it wanted — access to enrichment and its percentage. The USA with its Westerhouse (or whatever it is) is now up to us. Experts say that now it’s the turn of the Japanese to exit our market. And if fran. from canada. If it is articulated, then they will be asked. hi
          1. saag 23 August 2014 20: 26 New
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            acid leaching

            bz-zz, this cannot be in chemistry, this is a school course, called the neutralization reaction :-)
            1. Kasym 23 August 2014 20: 36 New
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              “Underground leaching technology was developed independently in the USSR and the USA in the mid-1970s. The method was designed to extract uranium from typical roll-type deposits (a subspecies of sandstone-type uranium deposits) located in water-saturated permeable rocks in which conventional mining methods could not be used In both countries, the PSV method was developed on the basis of similar engineering and technological approaches, but acid leaching was used in the Soviet Union and alkaline systems (mainly based on carbonates) were used in the United States. The choice of technology depends on the geology of the field and hydrogeological conditions. the ore zone of a significant amount of calcium should be used alkaline (carbonate) leaching. "
              Well I do not know. It is so described here. And they write "used acid leaching." hi
          2. Zymran 23 August 2014 20: 53 New
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            Here are some equally interesting facts. http://www.diapazon.kz/kazakhstan/kaz-politics/37590-wikileaks-rossija-pytaetsja
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            “The case of Mukhtar Dzhakishev, the former head of Kazatomprom JSC, is being sent to court amid growing rumors and the reasons for his arrest. In a video of interrogations published on Youtube on November 4 (2009 of the year), M. Dzhakishev claims that his arrest is related to Russia's strategy to limit Kazakhstan’s independence in the production of nuclear fuel, ”the US Embassy’s US Department of State said.

            According to the document, a number of independent Kazakhstani and Russian analysts believe that "video recordings could play a role in the resignation of the head of the Kazakh National Security Committee on December 8."

            The new head of Kazatomprom JSC Vladimir Shkolnik announced ambitious plans to continue the transformation of Kazatomprom JSC into a full-cycle producer. However, interlocutors from Germany and Canada noted the loss of Kazatomprom autonomy since they removed M. Dzhakishev. They also do not exclude that Russia played a role in this multifaceted drama.

            Apparently, the videos are the recordings of the interrogation of M. Dzhakishev by the KNB. In the video M. Dzhakishev details his strategy on how to make a world-class uranium player out of Kazatomprom JSC. M. Dzhakishev tried to turn the company into a link of large uranium producers, in particular, the USA, Russia, France, China and Japan, and use these connections to improve the technical capabilities of Kazakhstan.

            M. Dzhakishev also describes in great detail the agreement between Kazatomprom and Japanese Toshiba for the production of nuclear fuel tablets, the construction of a storage facility for these tablets in Japan, the construction of a uranium enrichment plant in Angarsk, the creation of the Kazatomprom-Toshiba-Westinghouse training center to train new specialists. According to him, this project could provide Kazakhstan with access to the nuclear fuel market.

            M. Dzhakishev reports that he “received signals” at the end of 2008 that Rosatom began separate negotiations with a view to circumventing Kazatomprom and went to the Japanese, proposing the construction of a storage facility for Russian uranium tablets in Japan. Russia also wanted to buy a stake in the Canadian company Uranium One, which now works with Kazatomprom in two joint ventures.

            M. Dzhakishev claims that he was trying to prevent Russia from gaining a controlling stake in the company by convincing Toshiba and one Chinese company to buy 20% in Uranium One. However, his arrest prevented the implementation of these plans. M. Dzhakishev believes that Russia asked for an arrest because she wanted to remove him from the case and leave Kazakhstan as a “banana republic," the message says.
        2. Zymran 23 August 2014 20: 51 New
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          Quote: Kasym

          By vehicle. Yes, the Republic of Kazakhstan at the initial stage takes a step back (price increases for imports due to higher customs rates). But this is so that then there is the opportunity to take 2 a step forward. And whoever does not understand this is not friends with his head


          But what then would you call the one who proposed sending our troops to Ukraine under the guise of peacekeepers, but in fact on the spearhead of Putin’s attack, and even advised you to kindle the fire of war in the southeast more strongly? How can a Kazakh support separatists in general?

          Quote: Kasym
          Zymran writes that they gave up the nuclear industry. IT IS NOT TRUE. KAZAKHSTAN WITH THE HELP OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION REACHED THE MOST HIGH-PROFITABLE LEVEL - ENRICHMENT. Prior to that, we had the lowest income in the entire nuclear business — selling a hake. Agreed 30% of the cost center in Angarsk and 15% in Uralsk. And where are the vaunted promises of the French and Canadians - have they been hanging noodles for 10 years ?! Got access to our uranium, but failed to fulfill our obligations! WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNOLOGIES AT THE ULBINSK FACTORY?


          Video recording of Dzhakishev’s testimony, and several more on the same portal.

          1. Kasym 23 August 2014 21: 59 New
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            Dzhakishev. But this is not a sale to Russia of the nuclear industry. And I do not deny his merits. But ... he is not able to do centrifuges. And what the west writes. experts about his "departure" and "loss" of status are independent. player ... I’m funny ... Listen, Zymran, their uranium enrichment technology (membrane) turned out to be worse. And what can they offer on this subject? In fact, the West simply has a different design of tablets (form) and that's it. In fact, they were all allowed to give them access to their markets. ALL - DO NOT WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING ANYTHING. In short, even read your link ... bullshit is complete. Well, think for yourself: Kazakhs and Japanese are building in Russia (Angarsk) a public educational institution without the interest of Russia? And why not in Japan or Kazakhstan, because no one will give a centrifuge ?! Japan was needed as an INVESTOR. ALL.
            No TECHNOLOGIES, design and parameters of their tablets, but at the Ulba Combine. WHERE? In short, on the topic YOU are zero.
            About peacemakers. I just ASSUMED. And justified why. Because RUSSIAN UN WILL NOT LET. And who will stand between the Slavs when they kill each other? Americans, Germans, French, Poles or Hungarians? Yes, these are only happy with what is happening there. Besides us, it turns out nobody. And he suggested that they would ask us.
            AND FURTHER IN UKRAINE. WHO came to power, on whose bayonets did everything begin? RIGHT SECTOR - Fascists! My two grandfathers fought! THEREFORE YOU DO NOT TREAT ME, ABOUT PUTIN AND ALL THIS! ALL THIS IS AN ANSWER TO THE ACTION OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR SIMILAR! WHAT SEPARATISTS IF IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TALK IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE WHEN NO ONE LISTEN TO THEM AND CALLS NON-PEOPLE! hi
            1. Semurg 23 August 2014 22: 24 New
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              Kasym. Question in 86 in December where were and on whose side were your sympathies then and now? there then similar thoughts sounded about nationalists in the square as in your post about fascists. About grandfathers fought at all why? or if your grandfathers fought your truth is truer than Zymran? hi
              1. Kasym 23 August 2014 23: 44 New
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                1st year student of the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics of KazSU. Studying from the second shift. Classes were canceled, the bureaucrat came and asked ... to stay at home. A few people went to the square. Just out of curiosity, rumors circulated around the city different. We walked along the protesters, on the square. Everything was peaceful, there were no special signs of the impending riots. Basically, students, youth from all areas of the city (especially those adjacent to the center — Salem, Kirpaki, etc.). Well, they’ve been busy for an hour. The cops themselves did not know what to do from such an influx, they got bored. And there were all kinds of conversations, someone tried to speak there, but really could not be heard. "Why Kunaeva? And who is Kolbin?" - these are the main issues. But “Kazakhstan for the Kazakhs”, I definitely did not hear or something close to this. Well, what was there to do? In the evening, right in the snow with the boys, they drove into the lard. And somewhere around 11 pm someone from the center arrived, talking about how "cops dug in the square." On the trail. day crowded there by the crowd from the area, but where there. Everything is disconnected (for half a kilometer), and the local boys said that it’s better to keep on. "The cops give yesterday an answer." I must say that the "patsansky" movements were strong in the city (at the level of the Kazan Groupings - there was such a thing, they were published in newspapers). Self-arrows, knives were in fashion and go. I even suppose (just suppose) that the first blood could be started up such that it triggered further events. That’s all. And what is your position? Then there was tension in society, but not more than a month or two. Indeed, if you look like that, then there was no interethnic showdown. It is a fact. Just some role played by propaganda. And those who suffered were injured. And there were no flags and symbols of the SS on the square, as in the history of Maidan.
                Like Dzhakishev. He made a huge contribution to Kazatomprom. But like everyone used offshore to avoid double taxation, this was an ordinary practice for large companies. Well, maybe he tidied up something, but in fact he became a scapegoat. There are many things that I can’t write.
                About Ukraine. Not for that grandfathers fought, so that now under the flag of SS Galichin the young men marched there. THAT'S WHAT ABOUT. AND WHY IT IS PROPELLED BY PUTINSKY ... etc. I do not hide my sympathies for militias, real men. The truth is that this WEST provokes Russia and constantly puts sticks in wheels. And not that Zymran or I am telling the truth. SOURCE OF EVENTS IN UKRAINE NEITHER PUTIN - NAFIG DOES IT NEED IT? OR DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER THAT THE MAIDAN STARTED PUTIN? IT HAS AN OLYMPIAD - AND WHO USED THE MOMENT WITH EVENTS 08.08.08/2/XNUMX - ALSO PUTIN? GDP, if you came up with this, you would have implemented it only after XNUMX years - not before. And no matter how it happened, the GDP lost - the Slavs killed the Slavs. Even if Ukraine turns its face or Russia “conquers” all of Ukraine, Russia will lose, only because of app. Ukrainians will join the neutrals. hi
                Another important point. If NATO enters Ukraine, the general security system will suffer - flight time is negligible. Therefore, the Russian Federation will do everything to get the whole of Ukraine. Understand how you want. But the interests of Russia (and therefore Kazakhstan) are strongly affected. What say this? Or will we continue to chew snot about sympathy? We are talking about the fact that the United States has the possibility of an unrequited strike! They did it once, why not bring Russia to its knees like that? We will be strong only in alliance with Russia, in other cases, we are a colony. That’s the whole logic. There are many more things that unite us, but the main thing for me, as a father, is security. hi
                1. Talgat 24 August 2014 07: 24 New
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                  I believe that there is no morality in politics. The United States and the West lie and bomb everyone. But the Russian Federation can now be blamed for something. But one cannot build an opinion and position depending on the propaganda of one or another side. It is necessary to decide who you are and where. This is a thousand-year conflict between the West and Eurasia
                  If we live here and great-grandfathers lived here - and we are not going to leave - then we must choose the side accordingly
                  The Russian Federation is now the heiress of not only the USSR - but also of the Golden Horde - and before that, desht and kipchak - and before this Attila
                  And I don’t believe that our republic can be happy becoming here an "island of the State Department" or being really independent surrounded by large centers of power
                2. Semurg 24 August 2014 10: 16 New
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                  Kasym. Clarified something for himself. Now for the militias that you admire. Answer how rosian militias can fight against fascism-nationalism in Ukraine having annual “Russian marches” in Moscow (or Russian Nazism is good and Ukrainian is bad), I don’t say about the power and supply of mts and militia weapons. The authorities of the Russian Federation pursue their goals (the history of the DPR has a long history and did not arise in response to the Maidan). By the way, you are an Almaty resident, who knows how in the 90s the descendants of the Uyghur refugees from China in Chilik declared about “your state, and our land”, until they were popularly explained to them that this is not so (or you agree with those Uyghur sayings because similar things are said in Donetsk). About there was no national paint of zheltoksan why then 95% of Kazakhs appeared on the area? and why, after him, did Kazakhs and Russians ride on buses at different sites? And why is the first victim of the Maidan an Armenian and the subsequent victims on both sides are both Russians and Ukrainians, and a Jewish president was chosen, as happened to the Ukrainian nationalists. But the right-wing sector and freedom gained less than 3%, while the LDPR and Motherland in the Russian Federation also gained 15-20% each (but still Ukrainians are Natsik and Russians are not). At the expense of Ukraine in NATO, in my opinion, Russia has done everything to make this happen (I remember the protests in Odessa against the call of an American ship and now they will be happy about it). Russia's interests are their interests and they do not always coincide with our interests. About snot and colony, this is how you like it if you yourself feel that you are not the first and not the last, after all, Toichibeyov.
                  1. Kasym 24 August 2014 15: 17 New
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                    Semurg, Zymran, Talgat, if you are adults, you must understand that dialogue is not built like that. You answer the questions that I pose. I answer and ask, and you only ask questions. This is not fair. Nevertheless, I will answer. I answered everything about uranium, the fact is that every day I see and talk with people from the INP (Inst. Nuclear Physics) near Alma-Ata. In fact, everything that Dzhakishev planned was all done, the strategy and plans did not change.
                    1) I do not deny the presence of nat. groups in the Russian Federation, but at least they started to do something with them. At least, they have not been seen in the box for a long time. And not like in Ukraine - there are already whole parties and movements. But the worst thing is that those same 2-3% make the weather in Ukraine.
                    2) About Uyghur you miss. There were Uighurs who moved from China. Now, if we stop supporting all our diasporas in the Republic of Kazakhstan, we will get what is in Ukraine. Lesson number 1. No need to oppress the national minorities, but rather to help our land become a real home for them. "Not a stepmother." Give schools, at least at least evening; an opportunity to learn a language, culture, customs. traditional religion for them.
                    3) About 86years. I can only supplement. The cops in the initial stage of escalating the situation were pressed hard, very hard. I even know the representatives of various groups in Alma-Ata, who participated there and were proud that the cops were от otovar ’in full. Question: "And who do you think are the main residents of the hostels at that time?" That is why most of them were Kazakhs. And again for those who do not understand. Well, there were not initially any nat. slogans. Did not have! Then, when the mess started, this began to slip. And this can be called a provocation. And just the students picked it up. But I repeat that at least 30% at the beginning, these were local boys. And when the cops wanted to oust the people from the square. The students meekly began to leave. "Just the knives" stood just the local boys and away we go. It was like wall to wall, only on a large scale. And which often occurred in Alma-Ata at that time. The cops were so spoiled that some were taken 2 times a day to the police department because they were "in a hot place." So at alma-at. boys had quite a few reasons to get even with the cops. And another fact for reflection. Then the student could be expelled only for the smell of alcohol. So think about who initially was not afraid to climb on the rampage against the cops.
                    4. So I write that the tension was in society, well, max. month. And then everything fell into place. (regarding buses). Well there was no interethnic. showdown or YOU deny it !?
                    5. Where did I write that Ukrainians are nationalists? The authorities simply sold out to the State Department and all things. Everything that happens in Ukraine is a script not written in Ukraine. Here is the main thing. This is the starting point. That is, no one defends the interests of Ukraine, Ukraine defends the interests of the West. It is regrettable. But what should Russia do? After all, they drove her into a corner, NATO goes to her, her security is in jeopardy! Georgia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Yugoslavia, now Ukraine. Is the USA everywhere or does it seem to me? Now imagine what could happen to Russia? If they push it like that and make it an outcast, then RUSSIAN Fascists will appear. And then little will not seem to anyone. LET IT BETTER NOW FINALLY FIND OUT IN UKRAINE WITH THESE STATE STAFF PUPPETS OR GET RUSSIAN FASCIS ON THE BORDER. HOW DO YOU SUCH A DISPOSAL? And this is not fantasy. Well, imagine a driven one, not a mouse or a rat, into the corner of an angry bear with nuclear weapons. We will get in the first place and look at such a bear no matter what. How do you not understand this? I did not want to write this, because This is a Russian site. For a long time this thought has been sitting with me, since the beginning of the Maidan. If here the Russians will miss the beat, then there will be a proliferation of radical movements in Russian society — as you do not see, even on this site, in the mood of the people! ??? Well, this is visible to the naked eye.
                    1. Semurg 24 August 2014 20: 44 New
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                      Semurg, Zymran, Talgat, if you are adults, you must understand that dialogue is not built like that. You answer the questions that I pose. I answer and ask, and you only ask questions. This is not fair. Nevertheless, I will answer. I answered everything about uranium, the fact is that every day I see and talk with people from the INP (Inst. Nuclear Physics) near Alma-Ata. In fact, everything that Dzhakishev planned was all done, the strategy and plans did not change.
                      1) I do not deny the presence of nat. groups in the Russian Federation, but at least they started to do something with them.

                      1) I will answer. groupings are and are very active, until they switched to Ukraine but did not disappear there they gain experience and stock up on weapons. I’m not sure about the struggle of the authorities in the Russian Federation, they are rather trying to use them, but I think this bulldog will grow up and bite off the hand of the trainer. 2) What is the mistake? Nat minorities should first of all stop thinking that the land on which they live is their land and at one point they will move with this land to another country (your state, our land) is the land of Kazakhstan. If this is accepted by the diasporas, they have no problems with living in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and there is no need to especially arrange dances with tambourines around the diasporas, if there are a sufficient number of school students in places of compact residence (Russians, Uzbeks in the south, I think there are Uigur ones). 3) I don’t know which guys went to the cops, but the vast majority of victims of beatings and repressions from cops and special officers are students from the hostel (and in your opinion it should have been a local international brother, it wasn’t there or they were clever in the last moment slipped away). This is due to the fact that the urban Russified Kazakhs, for the most part, were either against or neutral, the Russians were absolutely all negatively opposed. 4) The stress was asleep because the Kazakhs were washed and the Kazakhs understood until Almaty became Kazakh (at that time we were like 16% of the population, the absolute majority of Ukrainians weren’t able to wash there), I won’t achieve anything by this truth and falsehoods began to break in Almaty in whatever happened (Kazaktyn Astana, Orystyn Baspanas, Uyghurdyn Ashanasy) 5) On this point, a person came to power in Kiev for whom 53% of the voters voted in the first round, and these are not fascist bayonets of the right sector, like you wrote (the bad will tell the good, but if the bad will be stupidly re-elected, and if the very bad will be driven before the end of the presidency). For uranium and Dzhakishev, you yourself admit that his program still works but without it. It was removed from behind the Russian Federation, on progress in uranium processing in the Russian Federation, they realized that it won’t work out earlier and the RK will be able to achieve this with others too (very similar to the situation in Baikonur, if a couple of competitors draw up there, the Russian Federation will immediately allow the RK to joint projects, but in this industry there is no figure of caliber, skills and knowledge of Dzhakishev yet).
                      1. Kasym 24 August 2014 23: 03 New
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                        Now you can discuss.
                        1. Well, at least we figured it out. This "bulldog" will gain weight if the power grew. will miss blow after blow. And it will be in the Duma if it loses the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Therefore, if Yarosh and the company will rule (Semurg, well, what kind of president is Poroshenko? Agree, the PS and the Right Sector, Aidar, Azov, etc. are not under the control of military structures. A message has just arrived that because of Azov’s betrayal the boiler happened again. He announced about 3 billion in armaments at the Parade ... Well, this is crap. He is a puppet and his influence is limited), but that this is the main force of doubt, they wanted to go to Kiev recently and what happened later. In short, they win - the nationalists of Russia win. And off we go. Thousands of Lemons will appear. Do you understand what will happen next or not? Therefore, we are vitally interested in the victory of the militia and GDP - blood from the nose. Isn't that logical! We have been discussing this in my circle for half a year now.
                        2. Is it possible to compare those Uighurs with ours? Well, Semurg, you surprise! It would be much more serious if our Uighurs went for it! Agree, then you can discuss. So, somewhere serious jamb. And this is not serious. You live in the Republic of Kazakhstan, we are not going to deprive them of their language, culture, customs. There are ANCs, etc.-all institutions are. Please offer what you want. Put on public display - as I understand it. So do not compare these 2 events (Uygurs. Sob. And Maidan)
                        3. Zemlyak, here you were not there. So why. I'm special. I wrap around this topic. But essentially. People came to the square (I was somewhere in the region of 2-3 hours. Day). Absolutely spontaneously - no organization. Agreed or not? It was, as is usually the case on holidays (in Alma-Ata, young people go to the square — all are clogged with New and Old). But there was only tension. People naturally stood in heaps (friends, etc.). Someone may have performed, but the point is in such a crowd. And that’s the main thing. FIRST cops. It was then that they were already regrouped and went to destroy everything — one student climbed up on my friend’s balcony on the 3rd floor of the 16th building (right, if you look at them) —he didn’t know where to escape from this massacre. Understand that the locals all know there, it is not surprising that visiting students fell under the distribution. Personally, I was between 2 16s and met a bunch of locals, especially since there are 23 schools where my children studied (I repeat this was between 2-3 hours a day). There were already a lot of people at that time. The Russians were against it, against Kunaev - think carefully !? Russian Alma-Ata will never say a bad word to Kunaev.
                        4. No, in Alma-Ata I slept for a month. Yes, and on the buses at first it was - about 3,4. Then at rush hour we traveled like a herring in a barrel and ... everything. I honestly don’t want to comment on this.
                        5. Kiev. Do you know what the people of Kiev say about the election of Yushchenko and Yanukovych? Well, he was recognized. But further. Just the facts.
                        a) instead of the promised negotiations with the East, a war with shelling of the civilian population with Grads and Points. Is this his sincere desire or someone suggested?
                        b) instead of the promised benefits with European integration, the complete extermination of the economy, tools, infrastructure, and the residential sector. Does he want this or does someone control it, does someone press on him?
                        c) closing the information space of Ukraine and a cynical lie about events in the East. Or isn’t it?
                        d) the plane of Malaysia. Or, too, came up with the GDP, agree it is too much.
                        e) he throws the last money to the war. He is a businessman and must understand what will happen in the winter. In fact, a bankrupt country has turned into an agricultural sector.
                        e) why so many baht. in the East, masked, and the militias are not afraid to hide their faces?
                        g) why are they fighting so badly? run to the occupants who treat and feed them for free; dysert. But Ukrainians in the USSR Armed Forces was half the Army. Why is this happening, the pilots do not want to fly, shoot anywhere, etc.? Yes, there is NO TRUTH behind them, that’s all.
                      2. Kasym 24 August 2014 23: 04 New
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                        We can continue further. But this is enough. And what follows from here. For me, what is there anarchy, president, prime minister, etc. - talking heads and puppets. Power is for those who have power and money. Do you really think that Poroshenko can do something? Note all his promises were empty words. About money for volunteers, etc .. PSy is the spearhead of the Amer spear. And agree with them everyone is considered: from Poroshenko to Kolomoisky.
                        Uranus. And what does the sale of the interests of Kazakhstan have to do with it? Listen, everywhere experts talk about the OUTSTANDING achievements of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the uranium industry, so it’s ridiculous to hear about what Zymran writes. I corrected it. And he ... doused and dumped. Well, why so? This is not the first time. Yes, I agree that the Russian Federation had a hand with Dzhakishev — I wrote about this a year ago. But the East can be built, and uranium is limited in its quantity. And we have 3 reserves in the world. This is a trump card and the first place in production. And it’s very cheap. You think nothing of the ANAS as a bad negotiator, and everything will be fine on Baikonur, I don’t want to explain, I wrote a lot on this topic. You can not put the conviction of Dzhakishev on a par with nat. interests, Zymran got excited. He puts it in the argument of surrendering nat. positions. Dzhakishev has repeatedly said that without the Russian Federation it is difficult and impossible to achieve high profitability. The same is true for reactors - Russian owls. the best technologies. In all senses. It is possible to cite the fact that we had a fast neutron reactor, in the Caspian Sea - it makes no sense to plunge, but if you are interested, find yourself. In the USSR there were technologies for building medium and small reactors (there are no analogues). Here we have a good and excellent tandem with Russia (for uranium). It can be set as an example. Of course, there are questions everywhere, but if it works out, we will have an order of magnitude more instead of 1 billion a year. hi
                    2. Cossack Ermak 24 August 2014 23: 30 New
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                      Quote: Semurg
                      2) What is the mistake? Nat minorities should first of all stop thinking that the land on which they live is their land and at one point they will move with this land to another country (your state, our land) is the land of Kazakhstan. If this is accepted by the diasporas, they have no problems with living in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and there is no need to especially arrange dances with tambourines around the diasporas, if there are a sufficient number of school students working in places of compact residence (Russians, Uzbeks in the south, I think there are Uigur ones).

                      I live in Northern Kazakhstan and do not want any redrawing of borders. I want to live where my ancestors lived and are buried. I want to speak my language and pray in my church. Work and raise children.

                      But why shouldn't I consider the land where I live as my land? I am the same citizen of Kazakhstan, like all others. But in your opinion I am a person of lower rank. I pray to God that people like Kasima. Sober and far-sighted.
                    3. Semurg 25 August 2014 00: 27 New
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                      Cossack. Well, if there are no plans to redraw the borders, then this is our common land, Kazakhstan. All posts about land and the state for those who want to-wanted to create their own state republic on the land of Kazakhstan (Uyghurs-Germans) or move with the land to the neighboring state-republic (Russian-Uzbeks). Speak and pray in your own language if you are comfortable, and it is advisable for children to give knowledge of the Kazakh (state) language in addition to the Russian language in the future if they have no plans to leave Kazakhstan for demographic reasons (but you may not give it later when competing in life, they will lose to two and trilingual opponents), because you are not outraged by the intention of the Russian authorities to introduce a language exam for migrant workers (temporary workers), and why then are they bothering the authorities to study the Kazakh language? I didn’t write that you are a person lower than me, the idea is different, everyone who calls for the dismemberment or weaning of part of Kazakhstan is my enemy (in particular, the Kazakhs who want to include part of Kazakhstan in the caliphate, this and some Russians that want to include part of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation, etc. -etc).
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                  Kasym, I fully support you. I have been reading your posts for a long time - you are saying everything correctly
                4. Cossack Ermak 24 August 2014 23: 04 New
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                  2) About Uyghur you miss. There were Uighurs who moved from China. Now, if we stop supporting all our diasporas in the Republic of Kazakhstan, we will get what is in Ukraine. Lesson number 1. No need to oppress the national minorities, but rather to help our land become a real home for them. "Not a stepmother." Give schools, at least at least evening; an opportunity to learn a language, culture, customs. traditional religion for them.

                  It's nice to read an intelligent person. Unfortunately, I often hear: suitcase, train station, Russia.
                  1. Alibekulu 25 August 2014 00: 49 New
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                    It's nice to read an intelligent person. Unfortunately, I often hear: suitcase, train station, Russia.
                    I have a pattern gap what Didn't you say to the Uzbeks on the same branch, practically the same thing - a suitcase, a train station, Uzbekistan ?!
                    And is it really a descendant of the great warriors, just will not send to ..?! the one who tells him so ..
                    Especially in SevKaz ..
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                    But in your opinion I am a person of lower rank.
                    There is no such thing in the posts of Sagat-agay. He expresses a completely natural concern that, for example, SevKaz, as the Crimea did not move to Russia ..
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                    I live in Northern Kazakhstan and do not want any redrawing of borders. I want to live where my ancestors lived and are buried. I want to speak my language and pray in my church. Work and raise children.
                    I think that Semurg and Zymran, and most Kazakhs will subscribe to these lines. Does anyone forbid speaking Russian, praying, working and raising children ?! request
                    Yes, and I personally, usually rejoice when Russian, or there the Belarusian calls RK his homeland ..
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                    What kind of reaction did you expect from Russia? SECURITY questions were touched ?!
                    Kasym-agai no one argues about this. On the contrary, claims to the Kremlin, why did not work in Ukraine ?! Why did you start the situation ?! Why did they "surrender" Ukraine to the right-wingers and the State Department ?! And they began to react, clumsily and clumsily, while acting was necessary as delicately and accurately as possible. Yes, and began to respond, when, in fact, it was too "late to drink Borjomi" ..
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                    and take a closer look at China
                    Here gentlemen, the Russian imperials survived .. fool that the Kazakhs are already eyeing China ..
                  2. Semurg 25 August 2014 01: 33 New
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                    I watched a neighboring branch there, they harshly rejected you for the simple truth how you behave with others and will do this to you. At first it seemed to me the same that Russian-Ukrainian enmity was a bit of a shame (everyone pushed a little), and now I’m becoming more and more convinced of some almost manic hatred between them, which is very unusual for me and new. The Chinese came two months ago, lived at home for three days and lo and behold laughing it turns out that people also have two arms and legs, they think how to grow up children, how to help parents and how to earn money for this.
                  3. Kasym 25 August 2014 02: 18 New
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                    Alibek, just kill me, I don’t understand: “Why did Russia so spoil the RU and the Republic of Belarus with its subsidies? I think this is the main reason for the political failures to the“ fraternal ”states! If they immediately showed them a place, they would not have fled.”
                    And now YES, then there’s simply nowhere to retreat (for safety)! But Semurg doesn’t understand that they will come after us anyway after Ukraine (if the Kiev authorities win there). He is probably not in vain in the garage, we cook something at night. wink . "Presents" stocks.
                  4. Alibekulu 26 August 2014 00: 01 New
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                    Alibek, I don’t understand at least kill: "Why did Russia so spoil the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Belarus with its subsidies?
                    Agay, don't read Soviet newspapers in the morning. Rossmi has long been hammered that they feed and support everyone. In Ukraine, it was not RU that was spoiled, but the oligarchs and Yanyk, and this, you see, is fundamentally different.
                    Motors1991 UA February 17, 2014 16:35 |
                    In December, Russia gave Ukraine 3 billion dollars, where no one knows where it went, Russia lowered the price of gas to $ 268, Dnepropetrovsk regional gas purchases from the Cyprus offshore gas at a price of 568 dollars per 1000 cubic meters and so on.
                    Banal situation, very similar to bullying in the army.
                    When officers delegate to senior servicemen to restore order in a subordinate unit.
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                    I just said that if a decision is made to create a base, then we must respond firmly and without illusions.
                    It is very important how it is served. With what tonality. The language of ultimatums will only provoke the growth of Uzbek nationalism, which in turn will be aimed at the Russian population of the Republic of Uzbekistan, of which 1 million
                    Quote: Semurg
                    caught up with a bunch of explosives, cops, special forces, but still could not suppress, since there were 80% of Kazakhs and had to return these areas to Kazakhstan).
                    Share the link.
                    By the way, someone heard about the fact that the Ufa riot police allegedly refused to participate in the dispersal of 1986. Something clearly looks like an “urban legend”.
                    But the real one. Familiar Kostanays hold contacts with the Bashkirs. I will not shine in what area. In general, during feasts, Kazakhs and Bashkirs throw presents to each other. For fun, of course, but nonetheless ...
                    Kazakhs for Tevkelev, and for the Bashkir batyrs - tamyrs who campaigned for the Russian protectorate. Like - okay, we ignorant Kazakhs, but you knew how much a pound dare.
                    Bashkirs for not supporting them when they turned to ours for help against RI. And moreover, they stabbed in the back, becoming punitive ..
                  5. Semurg 26 August 2014 10: 45 New
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                    What are the links? about the transfer of those areas to Uzbekistan and then three months ago? it was during the USSR there are probably some decisions at the level of the council of ministers or whatever it was called. probably due to the massacre in the archives of the KGB-KNB. I only have the stories of my relatives from the Maktaral district (reliable for me, I don’t know for you) By the way, Mr. Gagarin, who was handed over at the same time, didn’t come back, asking relatives why they answered “they burned the jigitter kotersing katyspada al ende olardin kuzhattardy ozbek dep jazypkoydy, ende olar Kazakstanga oralman dep kelemiz des kuzhattarda ozbek dep zhazylu tour, solay bogany durys biz tonkeris jasaganda olar korky komektespedi al ende sart bolyp otyrsyn.This was understood by the residents of g.Gagarin at that time mainly sirgeli.
                  6. Alibekulu 26 August 2014 19: 45 New
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                    I have only the stories of my relatives from the Maktaral district (for me, reliable, I don’t know for you)
                    Generally completely new information for me.
                    It would be good for your relatives to send an expedition to collect materials on this topic. Surveys, interviews .. Kostanay is far from your places, and you could try to organize it .. recourse
                    I’ll copy your comment, try to probe, maybe someone will be interested in the thread .. hi
            2. Cossack Ermak 25 August 2014 09: 45 New
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              I have a break in the template. Did you say to the Uzbeks on the same branch, practically the same thing - a suitcase, a train station, Uzbekistan ?!

              I just said that if a decision is made to create a base, then we must respond firmly and without illusions. Secondly, I spoke there about temporary arrivals to work, and not about citizens.
              Quote: Alibekulu
              And is it really a descendant of the great warriors, just will not send to ..?! the one who tells him so ..

              Sent more than once. wink
    11. Alibekulu 24 August 2014 12: 38 New
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      Shalom agayyndar hi There are no Kazakh topics, you have to spend aitys on other branches ..
      Quote: Kasym
      Not for that grandfathers fought, so that now under the flag of SS Galicia the young men marched there.
      My grandfather died in WWII, but I in no way consider the Ukrainians to be fascists .. even close ..
      By the way, agay can you give the criteria (standard, template) by which fascism can be identified ?!
      As for the zapadentsev, the reason for their dislike is simple and understandable. Recall that for a long time they fought for independence from Poland, which in the end turned out, but fell under the Stalinist repressive apparatus. How would you feel if, for example, your father was shot, your mother was sent to Algeria, and your brother was sent to cut wood in Kolyma ?! There even “slowed down”, I apologize to the Nordic Balts, managed to convey that they enrolled in mass units in the SS units, what do you want from the Galicians ?!
      Moreover, it was perceived sharply, so did the brothers in blood and faith ..
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      I do not hide my sympathies for militias, real men.
      I’m sure that many of the militias are real peasants, unlike many sofa cherries with “VO”, but also in the opposite direction are fighting for their homeland - Ukraine. The same Akim, and despite the fact that he is Greek by nationality ..
      After all, Motherland, like Mother, is not chosen ..
      After all, the Motherland, like Mother, is not betrayed ..

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      SOURCE OF EVENTS IN UKRAINE NO PUTIN
      Puten who else yes
      At one time, when Kuchma introduced Yanyk as his successor, Lukashenko bluntly in the presence of Putin and Yanukovych said to Kuchma: "What could you not find in Ukraine except this criminal ?!"
      As we know, the porridge in Ukraine was brewed by the actions of the prisoner president. The question for GDP is "what the fuck ... did you support him ?!"
      Recall that most Ukrainians voted for him, since he was perceived by Ukraine as a pro-Russian politician. And here feedback affected - the negative attitude towards Yanukovych was transferred to the Russian Federation, since he was considered a protege of the Kremlin.
      I am sure that VV had the opportunity to block the candidacy of a “cap-taker”, since there were all the opportunities for this, and Kuchma for all the years of his rule showed that he very sensitively perceived the “signals of the Kremlin”. But Putin, a native of the 90s, was understandable and close to Yanyk and then what strings can be pulled, keeping Ukraine under control ..
      And by analogy with the World Cup 2014, he was characterized for Russia by the failure of their long-term leader, goalkeeper Akinfeev.
      There he showed his truth level. Despite the fact that all the sports media in Russia, for many years, have claimed his goalkeeper status worldwide. In football, recall Maslachenko, the goalkeeper must cover the near corner. Why, I - to the fact that Puten had to keep the near zone - Ukraine, carefully and painstakingly building relations with the population of the fraternal country, and not relying on a person with a criminal type of thinking ..
      1. Semurg 24 August 2014 13: 58 New
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        Salem Alibek. You cannot refuse sarcasm. It’s just that when Russians write that Ukrainians are Nazi-Nazis it’s usual, and when it repeats Kazakh from Kazakhstan it cuts the ear. My father fought in World War II and my father-in-law fought, and even after the war the camps took a sip, but this is not an argument in the dispute over today's Ukraine. Kasym writes that I did not know how to study Kazakh State University as a physicist, but I talked with the journalism faculty. After the demobilization, they met me at a Kazakhfilm in a pub and, having typed "Northern Lights", they began to recite poems in Kazakh with climbing onto the table, local beer lovers thought we would beat us, but it turned out to be a storm of applause and fraternization (and at 86 they were on the square )
        1. Alibekulu 24 August 2014 18: 51 New
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          Salem Alibek. In sarcasm to you
          Turn to you. And then, somehow uncomfortable. You are older than me ..
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          I’ll try to enter from the other side - the Kazakh one. Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are brothers, the peoples closest to each other. Kazakhs, you know, in normal families, have a hierarchy where the supremacy of elders is recognized. And, as a rule, the head of the clan stands out. Ideally, this is the most adult and authoritative - older brother. And he takes on the role of a moderator, one of the main tasks of which is to resolve disputes, prevent a dispute and prevent conflicts.
          By the way, the Russians adopted it from the nomads, in the form of the “Yaroslavl series” - From the “Tale of Bygone Years” we read under 6562 - “..my sons: have love in your own hands, as you are naturally the brothers of one father and mother; may you still be in love among you, God will be in you, and you will conquer the nasty rise, and you will live peacefully; "If you will hatefully live, in strife and wandering, you will perish for yourselves and ruin your land your father and your dad, even then you will harm your great work, but stay peacefully, obedient to your brother."
          Before us is the dying "row" of the father, dividing his possessions between his sons with the commandment to peacefully keep this section, "do not betray the brother, nor drive her away." But what makes the most significant feature of the “series” is the desire to avoid the natural consequences of the partition: the breakup of the family union. Reminding sons that they are “brothers of one father and mother”
          Russia, acting as an "elder brother" managed to mess with the Ukrainians fool and made Belarusians shun. In addition to the definition - "idiots" I have no others ..
          With Belarusians, the policy of "bending with the deflection" - "Belkali". It’s good that they have a “Father”, who splendidly twisted out of a prepared trap, but the fact itself is thought, does not delight the “young people” .. Let us recall to the point that when the Kremlin was dissatisfied with Alexander Grigoryevich, the whole cycle “Godfather” was broadcast on NTV in 5 episodes. On Russia Today, a story came out under the heading "Cruel Onion", in which Lukashenko was directly called the "last dictator of Europe" .. request
          By the way, in Belarus on May 9, there was an unofficial decree banning "St. George ribbons" ..
          Yes, and Grigoryevich himself, in this confrontation for some reason he supports the "fascists" ..!?!
          Well, the video ..
          1. Semurg 24 August 2014 21: 10 New
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            On you so on you. Somewhere I agree on everything you wrote. In my personal attitude, China for me was a "hidden dragon", it is not clear to anyone who wants it, the USA was a hooligan who walks around the yard and builds everyone, the Russian Federation was seen as a sick man who would recover and try to call the hooligan to account (well, and we will help him in this to the best of our ability). But it turned out that the Russian Federation recovered a bit and immediately became the same bully as the United States (horseradish radish is not sweeter). So I think maybe it’s time for the RK to pump its muscles and take a closer look at China (it seems that the NAS also started talking about strengthening defense capabilities and building defense enterprises and began to travel to China more often than to Moscow).
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            Alibek, 18% of Kazakhs have one hapalogram (this is ginetics) with Russians. 42% Mong.yy .., 12% Caucasian, 5% Finno-Ugric, 2% Arabic, etc. .. We are carriers of all the known years .., incl. amer. Indians i.e. a common ancestor in the male line.
            I agree with you, sovr. Russian policy was not correct. Who denies this. In general, I thought that it was not necessary to subsidize fraternal peoples. Yeltsin has done a lot of trouble, it is not for nothing that the guys here spit on him. But we are just “outside observers,” not participants. Therefore, we proceed and analyze what is.
            Semurg, and what kind of reaction did you expect from Russia, SAFETY questions are raised ?! Munich's GDP said that NATO expansion is not acceptable! What year is this? It will be even worse if the Kiev authorities win. Where will the battalions of Kolomoisky and Yarosh Poroshenko send if the Yankees push? In Russia, what can happen is also understandable. The Limonovs will come out and how to plug their throats if they have a reason. GDP understands this. By the way, he has a lot of reasons to send troops: they kill Russians and Ukrainians (the United States is ready to use military force for = one citizen), journalists, using MLRS and specials. BP; thousands of refugees; shelling of territories. A bunch of reasons. But substantial assistance is not visible, otherwise the khan would have come to these authorities in Kiev. Do you really doubt-72 hours and the entire occupation of Ukraine?
            Then, let's wait. We cannot own all the information. Do you agree? So let's wait. At least, “there would be no happiness, so misfortune helped”, sanctions opened the way for our farmers - well, at least grew. the market has turned. hi
          3. Zymran 24 August 2014 23: 59 New
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            Alibek, 18% of Kazakhs have one hapalogram (this is kinetics) with Russians


            This is not true. Haplogroups are not directly related to nationality. And by the way, the haplogroup R1a, which you call Russian, is most common among Tajiks and Kyrgyz and Pamiri, as well as among some groups of Indians.

            As for uranium, Zymran cannot spend days on the Internet. I’ll answer tomorrow.
          4. Kasym 25 August 2014 00: 42 New
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            AnAgA site, section peoples, Kazakhs. I am not a geneticist. But the fact that among us there are many people outwardly fewer than different, for example, from the Russians, the Mongols, etc. .. this is a fact. There is something about it. This is, as far as I know your topic.
            Thanks for the answer. Zimran, advice - just look at what happened before the collapse of the USSR and now, as for uranium. Anatoly Tyurin. Big Uranus of Kazakhstan (1 and 2 parts).
            Zimran and please do not look in me for the "enemy." I am ready for a normal discussion of the question and answer, and not at one gate, by backfilling with questions and accusations. hi
          5. Semurg 25 August 2014 00: 55 New
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            As for uranium, Zymran cannot spend days on the Internet. I’ll answer tomorrow.

            But I can’t sleep and the car will be repaired laughing . I do not deny the Russian Federation, it may break into Ukraine, and maybe even how you write Kasym to get to Lviv in 72 hours, and then again the gulag and repressions will revive, and without them it will be difficult to break down partisanism and international isolation is understandable, and then that ruin and collapse (support on your own strength with tolls for everything), or let's rush around Washington? In general, we are still outside observers (but interested) and are watching an exciting action with heroes and antiheroes of which we ourselves choose from the characters, and here, apparently, Kasym and I have different heroes.
          6. Kasym 25 August 2014 02: 04 New
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            Semurg, well, why turn everything around! Look at my old comments, where I 100% confidently explained that there would be no input. And he wrote, and argued that enough is economical. sanctions and to the edge of the matter will help with money. Not even a weapon that you can buy there. So why take the risk with the input, they themselves will figure it out. But now, if the west goes. help with weapons and people, I’m no longer sure that GDP will not respond in the same way.
            From here Zymran concluded that I am a supporter and “instigator” of the war. Well, just how much can you repeat what will happen next; if Putin does not answer. Is it really not visible?
            Semurg, here you compared me with Toychibekov, I have no idea who it is. But your example is with the bus (1986). That's exactly what I asked ... Vasilenko, all of us "beloved." Honestly, I’m not cheating. Neither I, but in mine with Marek he was hooked. wassat
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            Quote: Kasym
            Semurg, well, why turn everything around! Check out my old comments

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            Do you really doubt-72 hours and the entire occupation of Ukraine?

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            I do not deny the Russian Federation may break into Ukraine and maybe even how do you write Kasym to reach Lviv in 72 hours

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            Semurg, here you compared me with Toychibekov, I have no idea who it is. But your example is with the bus (1986). That's exactly what I asked ... Vasilenko, all of us "beloved." Honestly, I’m not cheating. Neither I, but in mine with Marek he was hooked. wassat

            Toychibekov has recently surfaced as a person proposing to enter the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation on an autonomous basis and collecting money for a sniper for Kolomoisky (I don’t know where the committee members look here and the call to review the status of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the call to kill a foreigner and raise money for this). The division of the bus into the sites was something to deny, and the Kazakhs washed it in the square, it wasn’t invented by Vasilenko. I don’t know your circle of friends, but after those events at all the toys, commemoration, etc., the youth said openly and cling to the capital with all hooks and lows, so that there would be no repetition of the “masks”, the good and the authorities recognized the inflection and school in my second opened a Kazakh language and began, at least to a limited extent, to give registration to the Kazakhs in Almaty.
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            Good evening, Semurg! Now I understand what kind of Toychibekov. He would have been sitting quietly, why is he promoting it so much. This took place during the Soviet Union, and waited for solutions to issues over several years (why?). I think how much they themselves earned, and distributed it (it’s necessary for a neighbor, for example, to help Kyrgyzstan; they decided without harm to themselves, it’s not fair when someone disposes of it except us). And so, only delay development. I do not agree.
            Semurg, so I myself rode in these buses every day. I say, as soon as a couple of times "the herrings were together in a full barrel", so it all went away. Because the Russians did not fight with the Kazakhs. Semurg, think for yourself how you can make a revolution in a day. Without an organization, some kind of command. Therefore, who begins to talk about some kind of organization and the "beautiful slogans" of the revolution, then, to put it mildly, this is not so. Everything is spontaneous and spontaneous. This is not Maidan, where there was funding, organization (tents, food, etc.), some commanders. Therefore, we must understand that this is the USSR for all its orders. Yes, if someone would have raised the “anti-provocative” poster and the slogan, they would instantly have been “tied to the jail” (I mean the initial stage). What was unexpected for the Bureau of the CPSU and the modern USSR? The fact that ordinary people fists, sticks, stones fought back. And at first, the cops and combatants got very strong. It was something new and unexpected. So, the fact that “the Kazakhs got there on the head” is not scary. THE MAIN POWER AND SPIRIT OF THE PEOPLE WAS SHOWN. IF WE ARE RIGHT, THEN WE CAN GO TO MUCH AND IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED WITH THIS. THEY ARE BANALLY AFRAID THAT SIMPLE, DRAFTING PEOPLE CAN GO WITHOUT FEAR FOR FORCES. This was the VICTORY.
            In Alma-Ata, he knew only school No. 12 (DOSavskaya school) with Kazakh language. and RFMSh from grades 8 to 10 (4 grades in each A, B, C, D). They were still in the suburbs. Of course, it was not that excesses - it was a shame. Also children. the gardens. That's also why Toychibekov is wrong. hi
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            Good evening. I didn’t write that the Russians fought with the Kazakhs, the Kazakhs fought with the cops, centuries, specialists. The crack in another Kazakhs, mostly nonresident students, came out to the square protesting against the appointment of the “Varangian” Kolbin, and the Russians of Almaty were just stupid against any Kazakh movements, and since they were the majority of the population of Almaty, 80%, the troops of the explosives and special forces broke the Kazakhs on the square and then took the hostels of students by storm. If, while Almaty was now 60% Kazakh, this would not have happened (if you don’t know about 5 cotton-growing regions under the USSR, they were transferred to Uzbekistan and there massacre went there from Tashkent 15 km there and from other regions of Uzbekistan they caught a bunch of explosives, cops, special forces but still could not suppress, since there were 80% of Kazakhs and had to return these areas to Kazakhstan). Well, the main thing is that you do not want to change the status and borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan under any sauce, this is the most important thing, but the fact that we see the situation in Ukraine differently and who is to blame for this is not important, we and living people do not always have the same opinions . So that there would be no shame with Kazakh schools in the capital, famines, karlags, not our wars, Kazakhstan should remain sovereign, and not repeat the mistakes of our khan-biys with the exchange of sovereignty for alleged security, which can simply destroy the Kazakhs as an independent people.
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    Salam dos! here you hit the mark (sorry for my English, so closer). we were watered from the cradle (and the Russian Federation is still being watered) of a ton of propaganda about the treacherous attack of the Nazis. without delving into this complex topic, we can obviously say that the word fascism and fascists in the views of most of our former and current compatriots have become synonymous with cruel, vile, treacherous people, the perpetrators of the death of our grandfathers. and in the views of some peoples also Russo and Slavophobes. Naturally now, when state propaganda stigmatizes a certain people with the word fascists, everyone automatically estimates the above-described category of people. Georgians are fascists! Ukrainians are fascists! in 1986, Kazakhs are Nazis!

    I am sure that many countries the neighbors of the Russian Federation would like to be friends with such a country - a huge, large market, great opportunities. but the RF historically has no friends. there are enemies, vassals, there are minions of the west, there are Russophobes. but no brothers, friends.
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      Alibek, I'm sorry I don’t know how old you are, but then you have to disassemble from the time of the collapse of the USSR. In which the great role was played by the hands of Ukraine. And then Kravchuk quirked quite a few. I myself was last summer in Ukraine and have contacts there. The most sensible was called Kuchma. Yushchenko, too, has done a lot of business - they do not respect him at all.
      Semurg, you go far. Where did I write that all Ukrainians are Nazi-Nazis? Where??? These 3-5% of all and muddy the water, i.e. being dolls. And the whole kitchen is run overseas. I wrote several times. So do not distort!
      What turns out. Zmran, not knowing the topic, wrote nonsense. I corrected and explained. Further, his link, designed for the layman (I gave an example in Angarsk with the Japanese and showed that it was bullshit), and filled up with accusations, leaving the discussion. He did not answer anything. You are connected. And the same thing, unanswered charges and all that. It turns out how ... that Psaki speaks, and what she says cannot explain.
      You yourself write about the pub and how everything went the way - I say that interec. there was no showdown. Propaganda began that the Kazakhs are separatists, nationalists. But after a month. everything was nullified, only because there wasn’t anything Kazakhs were talking about and blaming. And the difference between the performance on the New Square in Almaty and the Maidan is like heaven and earth.
      FMPM - Faculty of Mechanics and Applied Mathematics. hi
  • Max_Bauder 24 August 2014 16: 38 New
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    As for the rural economy of Kazakhstan. The government only last year began to prepare a targeted program for rural development. households RK. So it’s not surprising that the terrible state-state “hammered” into our villages and auls. I think now at least it will move - the day before the National Academy of Sciences dismissed the akim (governor) of the Alma-Ata region. for this. But judge for yourself. Take meat from South America. It must be brought, cleared. And we should be lucky to spit, but there is no customs. It's one thing to “fence” a 17 mil garden. people, another for 170 mil. The vehicle makes it possible to completely raise the villages. households - a sales market has appeared. For the same apples. Same. There is where to sell - please ?! My uncle has a garden, so I know what I mean. Earlier, apples of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation are pure smuggling. "I think with a neighbor to rent a truck in the Russian Federation, we'll see." "To work with the retail network, large volumes are needed, and for this we need" centers "for the consolidation of these food products (because we have small wholesale parties from the peasants), therefore, we need the help of the state." - MP Gos. Thoughts This is what the Kazakh authorities need to work on. I emphasize again. If there is a market, then this is half the battle. Or does someone think that our peasants do not want to drive good cars and live in good houses? The authorities need to do everything so that our peasants are in priority, they will not rust, they just help a little.


    That’s what the fellow countryman is talking about, it’s time to raise agriculture with the help of the state. hi
  • Alibekulu 23 August 2014 20: 01 New
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    To drive these uzbeks
    Drive-drive))
    otherwise it will turn out like with the Cossacks of Ermak, 200 years ago they came in large numbers, so until now they haven’t returned to Vaterland. Yes, and even grandfather's checkers sharpen in the evenings angry .. maybe the Uzbeks have hidden somewhere the thread of the Basmachi Kara-multuk soldier laughing
    Quote: VICTOR-61
    From Russia
    Vitek is Uzbek, maybe Uzbeks are pulling in Russia to the homeland of their ancestors - in Siberia and the Urals there was an Uzbek state with its capital in Tyumen ..
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    Where in Russia were slave markets?
    A history book to help, or google. Serfdom is, slavery in its purest form. But if, for example, the black slaves so beloved by Russian “gringos” were black, then the Russians had people of the same language, faith and nationality with them ..
    And from the “concessions” we can recall the decree of Catherine II on the ban on the sale of serfs in newspapers. The "enlightened" empress was very uncomfortable with Oyropa. And by the way, the sources of dislike of Ukrainians for the Great Russians also refer to the fact that they were enslaved in the Russian Empire i.e. turned into slaves. This is especially true for the already mentioned Catherine II. The situation of the "German" was precarious and she bought loyalty by distributing serfs to the nobility. Since their number was limited, they had to enslave those liberated from the "lord's oppression" ..
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    A social explosion will occur very quickly.
    And this social explosion thrown out from Russia by migrant workers will be directed at the Russians living there .. fool
  • megapatriot
    megapatriot 24 August 2014 20: 41 New
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    and to bombard Uzbekistan with vigorous bombs so that there is nowhere to build American bases
    1. Kasym 25 August 2014 03: 43 New
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      Thank you, Kazak Ermak, for the kind words, but such half-Alma-Ata.
      So that no one would think, but I want to speak out in Ukraine (otherwise I would be sent to Putin’s recruits by “local fellow countrymen”, as they once called a government steward and paid-up something).
      There will be no entry - otherwise there will be relations between Russians and Ukrainians, like Poles have with Russians. On the other hand, it is impossible to give RU into NATO hands. It remains to “conquer” Ukraine from within and Poroshenko, without realizing it, “played up” the GDP (God forbid to think that the GDP was organized by all of this — I don’t want to prove it now). The army is created. What will happen next?
      1. The loss of the East. The economy is in ruins, power will pass to the one who has the strength and money - these are the Dogs and mercenaries of Kolomoisky and others. We need a new goal, the economy is militarized - Transnistria, Crimea (which immediately comes to mind). Both there and there are Russians. Again blow to the Russian Federation. And what about the Russian Federation? GDP is not able to stop the new Lemons, popularity for the "betrayal" of the East by 0. Popularity national. will gain momentum quickly - LDPR flowers will appear. Well, further describe, even imagine creepy. Ukraine is an example of this. For the Republic of Kazakhstan, this is doubly new. I can’t even think further. Not from the north, so the United States from the south of Taliban fighters, etc. He will send us, the closest ally of the Russian Federation, because he surrendered Ukraine, why would you harness for the Kazakhs? There, already without brakes, the State Department will act.
      2. Winning the East throughout Ukraine. There are no dogs, well, etc .. The Russian Federation will show everyone what will happen if they get into "its territory of security interests". RK can breathe, the Limonovs rest, Natsik, too, otherwise the head will be demolished after Ukraine.
      3. Winning the East on its territory. Everything will freeze here. EAEU is not profitable, beneficial to the West. Anyway.
      Guys, THIS IS MY ANALYSIS OR FORECAST, NOT WISHES !!! So decide what the GDP will do. But this is only an analysis of what everyone knows. But there is something that we are not given to know. And here then there are many unknown factors. Therefore, proceed from what will happen.
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        By 3) Even the likelihood of escalation in Central Asia will only increase, p.ch. RF on RU problems up to the neck.
        Here is another interesting fact - Poroshenko is eating in Minsk. What for? Gingerbread cookies are definitely not waiting for him! I think that the question of money and winter is actually resolving the question of its future. And that's why. In Ukraine, his affairs are not AH. Kolomoisky with his mercenaries, Yarosh with his PS, winter, war and a destroyed economy. Prospect Zero. Remember IMF loan statements. There was a condition that they would allocate money if Ukraine was ONE (with the East; few remember that). That is, the IMF has a thousand and one reasons not to give. A half-billion supply from Merkel’s side is just chickens to laugh. One debt for gas 5 watermelons. China grain and old loans. And what to do Poroshenko? GDP based on 3 scenarios above, what will it do? Certainly not to go to Ukraine - otherwise everyone in the Russian Federation will write off, incl. bombed Donbass. It seems logical. Therefore, I think (and RK is profitable) GDP will set ultimatums that run counter to the State Department’s policy — don’t go to the grandmother. And play 2) the script. For this, it is enough, for example, to threaten to shut off gas completely in October, all transit. Demand repayment of debt for gas. In a word, crush so that little seems. Cut off from any financial flows, otherwise PSy and Kolom. all will be tidied up for war.
        But if Poroshenko suddenly does not eat, it means he was given guarantees for grandmothers. Remember, at the parade, he announced 40 billion hryvnias for the army. To fulfill, it is necessary to let part of the trenches into war. This is clear. But here's where to get it, no fools in the EU Themselves suffered from sanctions. The recession has begun, they will find excuse. hi
  • Pro100Igor 23 August 2014 07: 40 New
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    --------- laughing ----------
    1. Humpty 23 August 2014 08: 16 New
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      You can’t even imagine how much the topic is. The tradition of the Uzbek village - all things in one ditch.
  • MIKHAN 23 August 2014 07: 40 New
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    They are embracing Russia systematically .. Oh, the Uzbeks you shouldn’t let them in to yourself! No matter how you regret it later!
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      MBA78 23 August 2014 16: 34 New
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      In 2005 they already regretted ... probably this is not enough!
  • svp67 23 August 2014 07: 42 New
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    American base in Uzbekistan?
    and who wonders what. Glory to the CPSU negative
  • DVxa 23 August 2014 07: 43 New
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    Uzbekistan has always consistently opposed the creation of any supranational institutions within the framework of the CIS that could at least somehow limit its sovereignty.

    The deployment of a military contingent of an outside state on its territory is already a loss of sovereignty ..
    1. Penzuck 23 August 2014 08: 51 New
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      Russian base in Belarus, Armenia? Have we occupied these countries? Not! So where does sovereignty come from? And what about the NATO base in Ulyanovsk? We lost our
      sovereignty? I doubt it. So why not cut grandmothers from Amer (better products) if you are not in union with them? Also, look at the map, what is the electronic intelligence interception zone? In any case, there is already an interception in Georgia, so the goal is not the Caucasus, but Kazakhstan and Siberia? So there were bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and the base in northern Afghanistan is worse than the Uzbek +/- 100 km?
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        So We will restore electronic electronics in Cuba
  • Imperialkolorad 23 August 2014 07: 43 New
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    Our smaller friends always only look to whom it would be more profitable to sell.
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      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Our smaller friends always only look to whom it would be more profitable to sell.


      do not think in your own categories ... A little article for dibilov - Uzbekistan cooperates primarily with China and then with the rest, and Americans are not profitable for China in this region ...
  • slizhov 23 August 2014 07: 45 New
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    they only know how to sit on Russia’s neck, as Ukraine did, which fell apart into many fragments.
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      Quote: slizhov
      slizhov Today, 07:45
      as Ukraine did, which fell apart into many fragments.


      Yes, I would not say that it fell apart. Especially for many fragments. At least for now. I live in Ukraine myself. Hryvnia walks, transport walks, people go to work. Banks work, money is transferred to cards, ATMs all work. As it was a year and five and ten years ago. The idea of ​​collapse is by no means obsessed. I’m trying to see when the yellow-blue flags become less on the cars, but it seems, as luck would have it, even more. This is despite the fact that prices are rising and the hryvnia is falling! (not so, however, quickly and a lot, but rather stably moderately). And this, mind you, is not Kiev, not Poltava, not Ternopil, but Zaporozhye. Those. the most-southeast. New Russia!
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        brisk-y
        I live in Ukraine myself. Hryvnia walks, transport walks, people go to work. Banks work, money is transferred to cards, ATMs all work. As it was a year and five and ten years ago.

        You are strange people. In economics, there is the concept of “time lag, when time passes between two events and the latency of the process is a latent flow (groundhog is not visible ...). Certain funds are spent on maintaining the appearance of well-being, but they do not create material values, i.e. money down the drain on interest. BUT the IMF debts have a “marvelous” property - to accumulate exponentially, and until you repay the interest on the previous tranche, you will not get a new one. And then double traction - acceleration of internal inflation (printing of unsecured money) and, continuing to grow, external debt. No need to be an oracle or a mathematician to see the result.

        This new life cannot be appointed since Monday, and default - easily. For the population, it will be a surprise (we passed), because you still do not have official data for the 2nd quarter and data for June. Those who steer, they know, but they will not dare to open this data, even in sleek form.

        The junta can no longer count on the restoration of Lugansk and Donetsk as industrial zones on political and economic grounds. And it was a source of currency. The military-industrial complex oriented to the Russian market is "teleporting" due to military operations (and by no means all enterprises). Look - again there is a double craving: there are no revenues due to the war, and the resources go to its maintenance.

        You can blame Russia for the search for the guilty (someone should be), but you have to get out yourself. With or without flags, you will have to work and show the Russian character (Polish, near-Baltic and Greek will not cope).
        Good luck. hi
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          but have to climb out themselves. With or without flags


          Yes, absolutely right. Not flags should be shown, but silently work and create a useful product. And hanging flags and demonstrating this is most likely just a narrow mind and lack of culture. Shouting "Glory to Ukraine!" stupid and meaningless exercise. It’s not for ourselves to shout “Glory!”. If you praise yourself, then there is no value in this. That's when others praise, then yes, it is valuable praise. Because it really will be for a real achievement. 100% correct. I noticed that those who have at least some business of their own are especially zealous against Russia and unifying ideas (Ukraine + Russia) here. There is a trading place on the market and is already strongly against Russia and any reunion trepidations. For me this is a bit of a mystery. Is there a private business in Russia? Yes, it seems to be. And the speed is not worse? Probably tell me which is better. Then what is the matter is not clear. EU yes, USA yes, and Russia no. These "businessmen" (mainly buy-sell merchants) are the most zealous flag hookers and Russophobes. Although in Russia, I heard, laws for small and medium-sized private owners are much less favorable than for those in Ukraine. Someone, it seems, I heard from Russian statesmen called three months ago an omission that the representatives of the Russian authorities did not create in Ukraine over the past many years the ranks of Russia's supporters from small and medium-sized entrepreneurs.
  • Buran 23 August 2014 07: 53 New
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    The simplest way to remind Karimov of his place is to send all the Uzbeks home. This is not Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, we won’t have a big loss.
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      This is not Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, we won’t have a big loss.


      I didn’t catch up a little ... That's the whole point of the consequences of the destabilization of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, there are almost no consequences. But if Uzbekistan "explodes" the consequences will be, to put it mildly, "significant"
  • mamont5 23 August 2014 08: 02 New
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    "Economically, Uzbekistan is still heavily dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and the main labor market for migrant workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1/5 of GDP."

    To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.
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      wassat

      Laughing however !!!
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        A social explosion will occur very quickly.
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      Quote: mamont5


      Laughing however !!!

      Quote: mamont5
      To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.

      I answer both: 1. will not bend but will slow down the development of years at 5-10.
      2. Nothing funny.
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      Quote: mamont5
      A social explosion will occur very quickly.

      budget crisis again 3-4 years and anti-government fermentation, 5-10 years = igil. and get another abscess.
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        You clearly do not understand the specifics of life in Uzbekistan. There is a very serious struggle with the radicals, and for them social problems are like manna from heaven to attract new adherents to their ranks. Imagine how many families literally survive due to the fact that relatives work in Russia.
  • Loner_53 23 August 2014 08: 10 New
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    Gaster? Yes. Uzbek? Yes. VON FROM RUSSIA! am
    GLORY TO RUSSIA!!!
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      Quote: Loner_53
      Gaster? Yes. Uzbek? Yes. VON FROM RUSSIA!




      Yes, that's exactly what you need if you need F ... PA on the southern borders,
    2. Bquunited 23 August 2014 12: 36 New
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      Forgot to say HEROES OF GLORY !!

      and who are you after that?
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        YES, RUSSIAN HEROES OF GLORY !!!
        Are you against it?
        GLORY TO RUSSIA!
        usa must be destroyed! amThe opinion is, put the base of the United States? Blow in the United States Gaster. On the capital transferred from RUSSIA, the economy of Uzbekistan is a very powerful help. And the base of the usa?
  • A1L9E4K9S 23 August 2014 08: 13 New
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    Present an ultimatum to Karimov, when organizing an American military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, we expel all Uzbek migrant workers outside Russia, close the border for the supply of goods from Uzbekistan, otherwise he rolled out sponges to occupy the vacant niche instead of Western countries, let him live in Russia to supply fruit and vegetables on American handouts.
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      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Present an ultimatum to Karimov, when organizing an American military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, we expel all Uzbek migrant workers outside Russia, close the border for the supply of goods from Uzbekistan, otherwise he rolled out sponges to occupy the vacant niche instead of Western countries, let him live in Russia to supply fruit and vegetables on American handouts.

      And so it will be! Enough to milk Russia and spit in our faces ... We are a self-sufficient country and we have already proved it to the world more than once! We don’t want to be friends, we’ll fight (economically politically .. well, militarily I’ll say nothing better ..)
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        We are a self-sufficient country

        This USSR was a more or less self-sufficient country, forcibly, this does not apply to Russia
  • Drunya
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    MOSCOW, Aug 23 - RIA News.
    The data security of at least 25 US government employees was threatened after a cyber attack on the United States Investigation Services (USIS) company, which checks the personal data of employees of the US Department of Homeland Security, Reuters reported on Saturday night, citing a representative of the agency.
    Work at the computer. Archive photo
    © Fotolia / Sven Grundmann
    Chinese hackers steal personal data of 4,5 million patients in the United States
    The fact of a cyber attack became known at the beginning of the month. Reportedly, information about a perfect attack forced the Department of Homeland Security to suspend cooperation with USIS. There are indications that the attack was sponsored by a foreign state.
    A ministry spokesman said employees whose data could have been stolen will receive notifications in the coming days. "We will provide more information in the coming weeks as soon as we find out the details of the cyber attack," an unnamed source told the agency.
    Earlier, the American edition of the New York Times, citing its sources, reported that in March of this year, Chinese hackers broke into the network of US government agencies, which stored data on tens of thousands of employees. Earlier, an American cyber defense company, Crowdstrike, accused the Chinese military of carrying out hacker attacks aimed at infiltrating US satellite and aerospace programs.
    The United States has repeatedly called China and Russia countries with major cyber threats. China, in turn, has repeatedly denied any involvement in any form of illegal cyber activity and has claimed American cyber activity on the Chinese Internet.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140823/1021089564.html#ixzz3BBe9nmfF
  • VNP1958PVN 23 August 2014 08: 46 New
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    East business muddy-all your life and yours and ours!
  • mig31 23 August 2014 09: 07 New
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    If this happens, then the given state will order its citizens to live long, and will self-destruct as Ukraine ...
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      MBA78 23 August 2014 16: 47 New
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      the striped hyenas are sickened with their nasal smiles ... it's time to send them to hell
  • brisk 23 August 2014 09: 18 New
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    Relatives were found for the Uzbeks ... How many Amer latinos are there now? In addition to Guantanamo, where they planted their asses and have been sitting since 1959 and don’t think they’d get off their feet, even though they say to them - "... yes, have a conscience, this is our land ...", something is not heard anymore about the bases of P.Indosia in Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay ... Yes, and from Panama, they seem to have finally been kicked out, although the Panamanians had a very seductive channel for their fleets ... That’s a specific task for Russia - it’s clear to the Uzbek comrades that it’s clear and understandable is the gringo friends. And then maybe the people there do not know.
  • Starmos
    Starmos 23 August 2014 11: 02 New
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    Lord But when, finally, RUSSIAN PEOPLE WAKE UP ??? Do we all have a dream of reason? Are we surrounded? .. Already surrounded? .. And from now on they will surround, because they DO NOT RESPECT !!! Both the West and the so-called "world community" respect only power. And what kind of power can be discussed in relation to a country in which the “guarantor of the Constitution” protects the interests of the oligarchic-pro-Western-liberal stratum, for which the security of the Motherland is on the drum, and the interests are aimed solely at plundering resources and stuffing their own pockets? Only that country is strong in which the people and the authorities are united in the desire to build a truly socially-oriented state of law. Based on the principles of social justice, completely owning ALL resources and means, having an IDEOLOGY of the Russian World and relying on unified popular support - such a state is INSPIRING. And someone will beware around him. And no one will risk not respecting, or, even less so, threatening. For it will be "more expensive for yourself."
    Only fools can not see and understand this. And only enemies and traitors - dispute such obvious truths ...
  • Shep
    Shep 23 August 2014 11: 11 New
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    Quote: mamont5
    "Economically, Uzbekistan is still heavily dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and the main labor market for migrant workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1/5 of GDP."

    To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.


    Have you been in Uzbekistan for a long time? Do you think the Stone Age is here? We already have a state program for returning and providing jobs to people who have left to work in the Russian Federation.
    And at the expense of the base, we’ll see what happens. If it’s possible to drive out these amers at any time. As it was in 2005.
    And why should Uzbekistan promote the interests of the Russian Federation? or China and Amer? We will be the best to keep in line at our place and think only about the interest of Uzbekistan :)
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      iung 23 August 2014 13: 45 New
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      What new have you got? Tashkent rebuilt? But what about cities like Ahangaran and Navoi? if everything is so rosy, then why is the crowd of your compatriots inundating our borders? how are things with aviation TAPOICH already buried?
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        MBA78 23 August 2014 16: 57 New
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        with aviation in any way ... very sorry
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          iung 23 August 2014 17: 08 New
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          Whenever I see a 76th heart bleeds ...
          1. Bquunited 23 August 2014 18: 03 New
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            Ahangaran lives and flourishes. Angren and Navoi special industrial zones. Have you been to Navoi ??? Recommend. Beautiful, clean city!

            TAPOICH is not our fault. UAC made offers that we refused. And that’s all. It's a pity of course, but ... it's life. Not agreed and that's it!

            We produce cars and tractors, collect trucks and combines, mobile phones, household appliances, metallurgy works. The AMMC and NMMC are thriving. 8 million tons of grain were harvested this year, 3 million tons of cotton. The only production of liquid hydrocarbons has fallen dramatically. That's all.
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  • Federal 23 August 2014 11: 13 New
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    All promises in vain, all agreements, too, and why we need to reckon with them and pretend that nothing is happening. Arm and only arm! Because they understand only the power that opposes them.
  • VD chauvinist 23 August 2014 11: 29 New
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    To drive is too simple and too stupid. With demography, they are all right. There are many young people. And imagine-bam, and all of Russia-out. And then immediately the Alkaids, the Taliban, etc. ... Do we need this? WE NEED to turn things around so that for their elite, such “sniffing” with democracies from across the ocean would be EXTREMELY disadvantageous. Our guys are big-headed, they will find where to click and what to pinch.
    PySy. Karimov is a man of age. A change of leader is expected there. Would not oversleep.
  • thinker 23 August 2014 11: 36 New
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    This topic has already been discussed here. The states have great desires, but it is unlikely that this will happen with this base. UzMetronom works similarly with Echo of Moscow. And, most likely, with the money of the same states.
    Karimov has just returned from China:
    The President of Uzbekistan noted that during the negotiations in Beijing, more than twenty documents were signed regarding projects worth a total of 5,2 billion US dollars, as well as trade agreements worth 800 million dollars. The total amount of agreements amounted to 6 billion dollars.
    The two heads of state discussed the development of the SCO, agreed to strengthen communication, interaction and cooperation, to contribute to an even greater number of significant steps in the cooperation of the SCO in the economy and security.

    The Chinese national oil and gas corporation CNPC and NHC Uzbekneftegaz will create a joint company to build and subsequently operate the D gas pipeline, which will run along the route Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan-China. This was reported by Xinhua News Agency.
    The capacity of the new gas pipeline will be 85 billion cubic meters, which will make this route “the largest gas transportation system in Central Asia,” the CNPC report says. The parties also announced their intention to build an enterprise for the production of polyethylene and liquefied gas with the subsequent delivery of finished products to the markets of Central Asian countries.

    So do not get angry at this stuffing! hi
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  • cerbuk6155 23 August 2014 12: 05 New
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    Uzbekistan must adhere to its policy line and develop cooperation with both Russia and China, and they haven’t brought happiness to the Americas to any country, and Uzbekistan will probably agree about American bases, but to find a strategic ally for Uzbekistan that will not abandon it, this is task number 1 for him. soldier
  • fzr1000 23 August 2014 12: 06 New
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    You have them at the door, they climb out the window. Amerians, however.
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      MBA78 23 August 2014 17: 01 New
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      and then a cracker will not help ...
  • Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 12: 06 New
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    Introduce a ban on labor migration from Uzbekistan. Limit the import of goods. I know Uzbeks, they can only be explained to them at the level of money.
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      You don’t know!
  • Bquunited 23 August 2014 12: 27 New
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    Oh ho ho, how many pseudo-patriots of Russia gathered here, and also very educated and logically minded. soldier

    In short, all smart chauvinists!

    1. Uzbekistan is an independent country. He wants a military base in the USA, Russia, or China, he will set up for himself! He doesn’t want, he won’t deliver! And this is up to you. Here are the Russian bases in Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Belarus! and what, are they nits? or not sovereign ???? or is only the one who’s a puddle under Russia ??? You don’t recognize them anyway! One HACHIKOM another GASTER call.
    2. Uzbekistan does not live for free. Russian companies investing in Uzbekistan are not humanitarian organizations. LUKOIL's gas project is already in the black. So do not breed demagoguery about our addiction. And do not ascribe about 1/5 of GDP to transfers. This is to the Tajiks and the Kyrgyz. But certainly not for us. The country's GDP is 54 billion dollars. What do you think 10 billion workers send ????
    3. Uzbekistan always tries to maintain a balance between giants (USA, EU, RF, and China), taking into account purely national interests. The fate of many small countries.
    4.Uzbekistan left the Collective Security Treaty Organization after the events in the Republic of Kazakhstan, when the fucking Kyrgyz scumbags, with the support of law enforcement agencies, killed and robbed the Uzbeks, who have long lived in the south of the Republic of Kazakhstan. More than 2000 Uzbeks were killed and God knows how many injured. None of the CSTO members made a sound or threatened the Kyrgyz with sanctions, thereby revealing their true identity. Only the RKZ has expressed concern. Most likely, they wanted to drag us into a regional war !? God knows how it would end. How then to bend down under the others.
    5. Uzbekistan is ready to be friends with everyone on mutually beneficial terms.
    6. 400 citizens of Uzbekistan gave their lives defending the USSR and liberating the occupied lands of the Slavs. Sheltered hundreds of thousands of refugees. Last shared. Result; grandchildren and children of one name-calling children and grandchildren of others black and gasturbiteri.
    7. Want to kick out! You are welcome! A holy place does not exist. The Chinese will come, who are already full in Russia, who, unlike the Uzbeks, have territorial claims (SIBERIA). 20-30 years old. Goodbye SIBERIA.
    1. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 13: 18 New
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      Quote: bqunited
      1. Uzbekistan is an independent country. He wants a military base in the USA, Russia, or China, he will set up for himself! He doesn’t want, he won’t deliver! And this is up to you. Here are the Russian bases in Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Belarus! and what, are they nits? or not sovereign ???? or is only the one who’s a puddle under Russia ??? You don’t recognize them anyway! One HACHIKOM another GASTER call.

      Russia is also an independent country. And if the decision to create an American base to the detriment of Russia is made, then you need to answer 10 times more asymmetrically. We’ll be more pragmatic.
      Quote: bqunited
      2. Uzbekistan does not live for free. Russian companies investing in Uzbekistan are not humanitarian organizations. LUKOIL's gas project is already in the black. So do not breed demagoguery about our addiction. And do not ascribe about 1/5 of GDP to transfers. This is to the Tajiks and the Kyrgyz. But certainly not for us. The country's GDP is 54 billion dollars. What do you think 10 billion workers send ????

      I think it’s enough to apply a ban on the entry of migrants to Russia from Uzbekistan to export goods from there, in order to understand where Uzbekistan’s GDP comes from.
      Quote: bqunited
      3. Uzbekistan always tries to maintain a balance between giants (USA, EU, RF, and China), taking into account purely national interests. The fate of many small countries.

      We absolutely want to support Uzbekistan’s desire to maintain a balance with the United States to the detriment of Russia. These are direct unfriendly actions towards Russia.

      Quote: bqunited
      6. 400 citizens of Uzbekistan gave their lives defending the USSR and liberating the occupied lands of the Slavs. Sheltered hundreds of thousands of refugees. Last shared. Result; grandchildren and children of one name-calling children and grandchildren of others black and gasturbiteri.


      I have many friends and relatives who lived in the Uzbek SSR and abandoned everything and barely saved themselves when their neighbors who once Last shared

      Quote: bqunited
      7. Want to kick out! You are welcome! A holy place does not exist. The Chinese will come, who are already full in Russia, who, unlike the Uzbeks, have territorial claims (SIBERIA). 20-30 years old. Goodbye SIBERIA.

      Well, the last you expressed your true attitude towards Russia. And then the question: Why do you want us with such wishes?
      1. Bquunited 23 August 2014 13: 47 New
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        Cossack - change the flag!

        1. Please. at least 100 times.
        2. Reducing GDP by 10-20%, not scary. Greetings to the Russian textile industry and consumer wallets.
        3. The answer is dumb. When Russia gives money for the construction of a hydroelectric station in the Republic of Kazakhstan, to the detriment of the Republic of Uzbekistan !! It's good. And what can 1500 gringos threaten Russia with ??
        4. In Uzbekistan, the carrying of any type of weapon, including cold, is punishable by law. And the fact that they came with weapons in their hands is complete nonsense. Such tales are a dime a dozen. Hysteria was in all countries. all ran somewhere. On us, as in Russia, they do not kill for the light of skin and nationality. WE HAVE NO SKINHADS, NO, AND WILL NOT.
        5. What did I say? What is your attitude to Russia? Chinese threat !! This is not my idea! there is such a risk since the 50s.

        Cossack - you need to think wider. It is necessary to be able to analyze the Old. Draw conclusions based on logic. And you think like a crowd of ignoramuses. THEY ARE US AS SO WE ARE THERE SO !! METRONOM American project. Like FERGANA or CENTRAZ! Well, if these resources are interesting, then your brain was fucked by the CIA !! With what I congratulate you. You deserve it!
        1. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 14: 10 New
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          I have nothing to change the flag. My ancestors have been living here for almost 200 years.

          about the 4th point do not exaggerate. In the year 91, my distant relatives left a huge house after the "neighbors" came to them.
          1. Bquunited 23 August 2014 14: 31 New
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            Then you are not spiritually connected with this flag! You are spiritually closer to Tricolor!
    2. KBR109 23 August 2014 23: 00 New
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      Do not distort the dear! Uzbeks died in the Second World War 117900. That's it. And "Russians do not leave, we need slaves," we still remember!
      1. Bquunited 24 August 2014 12: 19 New
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        KBR - in the center of Tashkent there is a monument in which the names of all who died during the Second World War are inscribed.

        “Russians do not leave, we need slaves” - this, being a member of the Republic of Uzbekistan, I did not see and did not hear.
    3. fzr1000 24 August 2014 23: 17 New
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      Uzbeks are somewhere in the second or third place among migrant workers after Tajiks in the Russian Federation. It is a fact. How many send home - is unknown, and it does not matter. What they have earned is sent. Regarding the independence of Uzbekistan, this is a glimpse, but the US base in a country with an unstable future (Karimov is ill) is an accelerated path to the Maidan.
  • 1536 23 August 2014 12: 39 New
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    The Uzbeks, together with their “Teahouse No. 1”, will fly from Moscow right after this McDonald’s to this American base.
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      MBA78 23 August 2014 17: 09 New
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      Yes, we don’t need such a fuck here ...
  • RusDV 23 August 2014 12: 47 New
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    Uzbeks living in Russia have nothing to do with it. And people living in Uzbekistan also do not make decisions. The Uzbek government, if it spits on Russia's interests in favor of the pin.dosovskys, pays ...... And this billion may then not be enough to completely flee the country. And from other Uzbeks who suddenly get tired of the government and need to change it ..... You don’t need to go to the fortuneteller .... it will be so .....
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    Are Uzbeks ready to sell for $ 1 billion and approving pat on the shoulder by Uncle Sam? Sad if so ...
  • de_monSher 23 August 2014 13: 10 New
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    Eh, people, people ... *)) What don’t tell you, don’t try to explain - no matter how peas are against the wall ... *))) stupidly and stubbornly are ready to bend your own ... I'm not talking about that big enough the percentage of normal and sober people I say. And I’m talking about the increased mass of sofa "Anal-itEgov", and "Enerelov" ... *)) You read their "brain" miscarriages, dressed in semi-literate texts and you know for sure - stupidity can also be beaten out with a strap ... in childhood .. stupidity - do not pick out with hot iron, at any age ... *)))

    Dudes who are "Anal-itags", or rather, specifically for the one who blundered something a little higher than me - for your information, Uzbekistan is the only state in the CIS that did not let McDonald's ... *) And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kicked in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005. The first state in the CIS, which back in the late 90s, kicked out all sorts of USAIDs and other wrecking organizations from the USA ... *)) Russia at that time was making big eyes, groaning and gasping, it’s undemocratic in type. .. *)

    For everyone else ... ANALs. Russia has one official union state - Belarus. And, funny of course, one official ally = Allied agreement of November 2005 = - Uzbekistan ... *)) Under this agreement, in the event of hostilities against Russia, Uzbekistan is obliged to provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia ... *)

    I don’t ... I understand, I understand - you don’t need allies, good neighbors ... *))) You only need to water shit: that the official Union State is Belarus, that the official ally is Uzbekistan. Well, if you don’t water, then hang your ears and catch everything that pours on them without losing a trickle of stink or a gram of dung ... *)))) Nude, nude ... funny you guys - continue in the same vein ... *)))
    1. Bquunited 23 August 2014 13: 14 New
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      EXACTLY!!!!
    2. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 13: 45 New
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      Quote: de_monSher
      And, of course, one official ally = an allied treaty of November 2005 = - Uzbekistan ... *)) Under this treaty, in case of hostilities against Russia, Uzbekistan is obliged
      provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia
      ... *)

      Funny of course, correct me where I will be wrong. How will Uzbekistan provide
      provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia
      in the event that the US enemy’s base is created on its territory and the latter uses hostile actions against us.
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        Cossack - if there is a war then you will see what kind of help there will be.

        What a base! Here you are dumb! there is no base and never will be! And if there is a base and the USA will fight with the Russian Federation, they will stupidly set up a gringo!
        1. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 14: 06 New
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          I am not a Cossack, I am a Cossack. A descendant of the Cossacks who participated in both the Bukhara and Samarkand war. In the Bukhara company, my ancestor received the St. George Cross.

          While your stupidly “expose” the gringo, irreparable damage to Russia will already be done. It will be easier not to create databases there at all. I still think that Uzbekistan’s income from friendship with Russia is several times greater than the Judaic green lard from gringos.
          1. de_monSher 23 August 2014 14: 28 New
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            Ummmmm ... do you really have problems with the Russian language? With comprehension of the read?

            There will be no NATO bases in Uzbekistan. And the problem here is not that Russia will be harmed, but that Uzbekistan will be harmed. In the political sense, Uzbekistan was mothballed in the late USSR, and in fact, even the presence, hypothetical, of the base of neighboring Kazakhstan on its territory can lead to destabilization ... *)) = smiled =

            Although it’s probably useless to explain to you. Your brain, apparently, was "mothballed" during the late 19th century judging by the Herogiev crosses rattling in the frontal lobes ... *)))) To me, roughly speaking, be offended, do not be offended, I didn’t give a damn about the crosses your ancestor for the company = more precisely - the massacre. And where did you get this term from - the Bukhara, Samarkand wars? *) = in Uzbekistan. It is much more important to me that at the beginning of the 20th century, our countries moved in one development vector. And, in fact, these vectors will disperse, or unite, entirely and completely depends on the flexibility of your thinking, and the thinking of many of your compatriots. Will you suffer from chauvinism - bye, how are you then different from the USA? You will be smarter and more reasonable - that means in a working order, calmly, without snot, saliva and spills of other liquids, we will be good neighbors and friends ... *))

            Mdja ...
            1. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 14: 53 New
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              Quote: de_monSher
              Do you really have problems with the Russian language?

              Respected. I do not teach you Uzbek, do not teach me Russian.

              Quote: de_monSher
              There will be no NATO bases in Uzbekistan.

              If it does not, then there is no sense to all of the above. I read the opposite here, "Well, it will be, but at any moment we will chase them." "How can 1500 pe.dos.sov in Uzbekistan prevent Russia?"

              Quote: de_monSher
              spit from the high bell tower what kind of crosses did your ancestor get for company = more precisely - the massacre. And where did you get this term from - the Bukhara, Samarkand wars? *) = in Uzbekistan.

              thirdly, a person who does not remember history has no future. I know what these wars were about. And I know why after this the flow of slaves from the Russian Empire to Central Asia stopped. And about the massacre is not necessary.
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                Respected. I do not teach you Uzbek, do not teach me Russian.


                Dear, Russian language, for me - my native. I write on it, and not only notes, but also poems, novels, novels. I take part in writers' seminars, I get it cool on the head, if I mess up in grammar or semantics - and I don’t expose my little things я. You simply do not read even half of what they write to you, what do you expose your ambitions on top of your mind?

                If it does not, then there is no sense to all of the above.


                By and large, there is no point in this article. Another exhaustion from the finger = at best =, "information". For what these stuffing is now needed, it is easy to guess if you think about it.


                thirdly, a person who does not remember history has no future. I know what these wars were about. And I know why after this the flow of slaves from the Russian Empire to Central Asia stopped. And about the massacre is not necessary.


                I also remember and know for what the Turkestan campaign of the Russian Empire was. Any attempt to gloss over the blood, with another paint, for example, blue, "like the sky", directly leads to political and historical prostitution. And in Uzbekistan, for your information, there was the same severe rejection of the "Cossacks", "Cossacks" in the 18th, 19th centuries. In the 20th century, thanks to the USSR, this aversion was able to level. So what about the "stream of slaves", la-la, not necessary. He was at least mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

                I repeat again, I do not care about the Cossacks, and the only thing that comes to mind about them is the saying - "Grandfather is a Cossack, father is a Cossack son and grandson .. the dog." All association with the Cossacks in Central Asia.

                I repeat. The period of the USSR was constructive. It was this period that gave a lot to the development of our countries. It is from that period that we must take all the best, and not from the time of the king of peas.

                Mdja ...
                1. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 15: 39 New
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                  Quote: de_monSher
                  So what about the "stream of slaves", la-la, not necessary. He was at least - mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

                  That's just here for more details. When and by whom were slaves from Uzbekistan taken? Where in Russia were slave markets? And in the 17th, 18th and even in the 19th centuries, according to conservative estimates of experts, from 10000 to 40000 Russian people a year were driven into slavery in Central Asia.

                  My grandmother told me that back in the years 1880-1900 women and children were not allowed to work in the field and in the forest without the equestrian dress of the Cossacks.

                  1. de_monSher 23 August 2014 15: 54 New
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                    That's just here for more details.


                    This does not mean anything to you, but ... I invite you to work with the remaining archives of the Bukhara Emirate, Kokand and Khiva. In the USSR, they reacted quite neutrally to that period, and many documents were preserved. In the 17-19 centuries, the Yaitskaya and the Ural Cossack army, made not one, not two, or even three, but dozens of campaigns on the territory of Central Asia. What you wrote above, regarding the Russians, your Ancestors, was exactly the same with my Ancestors. Documents - eat with them you can work. I saw them and met them. Alas and oh it's not an argument for you - in Central Asia, your Ancestors took up, and the story is written, by them, for you. Do you understand me?

                    I just can remind you, folklore - "From behind the islands, to the rod ... to the expanse, the sea wave ... the painted ... stepped Razin’s walls, shuttles." This is also not an argument, it is just an indicator of morals ... then. In the order of things, take the “polonaise”, the Iranian princess, and throw her into the sea ... *) Teach Starouzbek, Tajik, and welcome to Uzbekistan, work with archives ... *)) Nobody will offend you there, they will welcome you - but about getting copies of documents for review, you have to work ... *))

                    Like that... *)
      2. de_monSher 23 August 2014 13: 58 New
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        Yes, yes, very funny ... *) Do you read Russian badly? Quote, specially for you:

        And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005. The first state in the CIS, which back in the late 90s, kicked out all sorts of USAIDs and other wrecking organizations from the USA ... *)) Russia at that time was making big eyes, groaning and gasping, it’s undemocratic in type. .. *)


        You understand that there is, I will not talk about honor, in politics the word honor - not in honor - is simple pragmatism. Uzbekistan, it seems, is consistently pursuing a policy independent from Russia, neither from China, nor from the USA = Unlike the same Russia or Kazakhstan, the financial system of Uzbekistan is not integrated into the world. On the one hand, a huge minus, on the other - how to say =. He clearly delineated the borders - "with Russia - allies, friends. With China - financial affairs. America - just to balance and get preferences from China and Russia."


        Funny of course, correct me where I will be wrong. How will Uzbekistan provide


        Nuuuu ... it’s not even funny anymore ... *) Can you explain what logistics is on your fingers? Transport infrastructures and their interfaces? Normal trade and food security? *)

        Nude, nude ... *)
        1. Bobo beck
          Bobo beck 23 August 2014 14: 34 New
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          Hello honest company.
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          Bobo beck 23 August 2014 14: 42 New
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          The mentality of Uzbeks and Slavs is very different, but competent people always find common ground. In Uzbekistan, today they are very good towards Russians, but in Russia - in different ways. Of course, excesses were enough in the 90s .... The trouble is that the attitude to Uzbekistan is based on thousands of dehkans who rush to Russia to earn money.
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            You rightly noticed the image of the Uzbeks created the so-called haryp)
        3. Cossack Ermak 23 August 2014 15: 27 New
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          And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005.

          And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005.
          you read it badly. Before they kicked them into the territory of Uzbekistan.
          1. de_monSher 23 August 2014 16: 07 New
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            you read it badly. Before they kicked them into the territory of Uzbekistan.


            I do not quite understand your sophistry exercises. In 2001, all CIS countries, in a coordinated manner, sided with the US in their fight against "world terrorism." If this step, the provision of a base in Khanabad of the USA, and a base in Termez - Germany, had not been approved at a meeting of the committee of chiefs of staff of the countries of the CIS, they would NOT have happened. The Germans do not show off much, and therefore still use the Termez base. By the way, just like the Americans use Ulyanovsk. Dear, before you say something, is it worth it to familiarize yourself with full history question, huh?
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              Do not waste your precious time on! still do not understand. Cossack is not a politician and thinker, he is a soldier! Fulfill the orders of a single mind is not necessary.
              1. de_monSher 23 August 2014 17: 53 New
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                Do not waste your precious time on!


                Thanks for the support, but on the day off, you can spend time on stupid things ... *) And about this, I still can not resist -

                Cossack is not a politician and thinker, he is a soldier!


                - I do not agree. The Cossack was not a soldier, is not, and cannot be in principle ... *) The current state of the Cossacks is clowning. The past Cossacks are freemen and robbery. Makhnovism not out of the blue appeared, nevertheless ... *)

                The Soviet government disciplined the Cossacks - and the Don, Ural, Siberian Cossacks showed themselves perfectly in the war. But ... under the whip! Tough! By the way, several Cossack regiments during the war were formed in Tashkent ... *) Then again everything returned to normal. Cossacks - is not the engine of the evolution of the state, but rather is a complete brake - having absorbed many features of the pre-Petrine streletsky army ... *))
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                  With all due respect to you, but about the merits of the Cossacks, you are very excited in your assessments. Soviet power physically destroyed the Cossacks.
                  1. de_monSher 23 August 2014 18: 38 New
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                    Soviet power physically destroyed the Cossacks.


                    I am absolutely sure that we have different views on the Soviet period of development of our countries, pieces once united country. But, damn it, in this regard, so many copies have already been broken, and so many copies will still be broken, that I, secretly envious of Fomenko, with his new history, with your permission I will not arrange a discussion now ... *) Lada? I’ll just try to correct my message. So:

                    A soldier is a person, citizen, citizen = necessary - underline = your country, which is most often consciously = if the state functions normally = goes to infringe on part of its rights and freedoms, in order to protect the rights and freedoms of its relatives, friends, compatriots, fellow citizens . For him, there can be no concept - "my personal comfort." For him there is - “the comfort of my clients”, first of all, and “my own comfort” - in the second.

                    A Cossack is a “hunter” = Old Russian root, since he is engaged in something, exclusively on a “hunt” =, a person, in Soviet terms, petty-bourgeois elementwho first of all thinks about his pocket, about his comfort and only then about others "distracted" things.

                    Which Cossack Soldier is being asked?

                    At the same time, historicallythat the Cossack turned into a Soldier, literally three or four times in history — the Patriotic, World War I, and World War II are some of these cases ... *) Moreover, the Cossack became a true Soldier only during the Second World War. In what ways this was achieved, I think it is not worth discussing in this context.

                    That's better?
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                      Which Cossack Soldier is being asked?


                      And such a soldier from a Cossack. What Napoleon said give me an army of Cossacks and I will conquer the whole world. And again I say, do not meddle with your pork snout in a candy row. Not for you to discuss this.
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                        And such a soldier from a Cossack. What Napoleon said give me an army of Cossacks and I will conquer the whole world.


                        Well ... since culture-cultures you weren’t taught by Parents ... *))

                        If you, dumb cattle = this is the answer to yours - selling skin, if that, for admins =, read carefully what I wrote earlier, Then we would read that - "3 or 4 times in history Cossacks became Soldiers." And in these cases, he included the Patriotic War of 1812.

                        This time ...
                2. Cossack Ermak 24 August 2014 15: 44 New
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                  - I do not agree. The Cossack was not a soldier, is not, and cannot be in principle ... *) The current state of the Cossacks is clowning. The past Cossacks are freemen and robbery. Makhnovism not out of the blue appeared, nevertheless ... *)

                  Listen up. Uzbek thinker. Do not you, corrupt skin, writing poetry in Russian, to talk about the Cossacks. The Siberian Cossacks were distinguished by iron discipline, selfless devotion and high military spirit and skill. It was they who defeated your 50-fold superior army in the Bukhara and Samarkand campaigns.

                  And it is they who will come to you again if you star out of rank.
                  1. de_monSher 24 August 2014 17: 09 New
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                    Listen up. Uzbek thinker. Not for you


                    Я You carefully, do not listen, but read. And so far I have seen only the male version of PMS = Fasting Menstrual Syndrome = against the background of an extensive menopause of brain activity.

                    And it’s not for you, “a great connoisseur of the Cossacks,” to try to figure out who the “Selling Skin” is and who is not. There, General Shkuro, too, considered himself a Kuban Cossack, about the same as you "thought" gave out the mountain, and was completely naturally hanged, for all his deeds ...

                    About the "50-fold superiority of the native forces during the Turkestan campaign," etc. etc. History is written and rewritten in the course of human existence more than once, not two, not three. History she is such a thing - selling girl. Look, even the true story of the capture of Bukhara by the Bolsheviks is completely different from official version. Only you, you never know, because brains to move your laziness ...

                    I repeat - it is necessary push off from the community of our countries, which was founded not by the Cossacks, not Tsarist Russia, but by the Soviet system, whether poor or poor, managed to create something similar to a common ideology and common mentality.

                    These are two ...
                3. Cossack Ermak 24 August 2014 15: 53 New
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                  At the same time, historically, it turned out that the Cossack turned into a Soldier, literally three or four times in history - the Patriotic, World War I, and World War II are some of these cases ... *) Moreover, the Cossack became only a true Soldier during the Second World War. In what ways this was achieved, I think it is not worth discussing in this context.

                  Reread the story. And not only in Old Uzbek. Cossacks participated in ALL wars waged by the Russian empire. And moreover, they were the most successful and disciplined part of the Russian army.
                  1. de_monSher 24 August 2014 17: 56 New
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                    And moreover, they were the most successful and disciplined part of the Russian army.


                    Ok ... if you don’t give up. Well, I will consider earlier strata of history, although they would also be interesting in terms of illustrating the customs of the Cossacks - the role of the Cossacks during the “troubled times” is especially interesting, or take Mazepa himself. But ... figs with him, I'll start from the time of Peter. I will give just a few examples, but there are many more.

                    Nekrasovtsy - part of the Don army, led by Ataman Nekrasov. After the suppression of the Bulavin rebellion, the Cossacks in the 1708th year went to the Crimea and swore allegiance to the Crimean Khan. Armed raids on Russian border settlements because of which troops were specially sent against them under the command of ataman Frolov. They were partially exterminated, partially fled to the Turks, where they re-swore allegiance to the Turkish Sultan.

                    In all the wars of the 18th century, the Cossacks practically did not prove themselves, unlike the regular military units built by Peter, those Peasants whom Suvorov called "miracle heroes." Moreover, the whole history of 18th century Russia is full of Cossack riots - from Bulavin to Pugachev.

                    19th century. I already noted the Patriotic War - there are no questions. But at the same time, sharply negative reviews of the Russian military leaders about the Cossacks can be seen during the Crimean War, during the war of 1877-1878. Their instability and lack of discipline were noted.

                    20th century. Makhnovshchina - as one of the examples. And so - the inadequate cruelty of the Cossacks was noted, their indiscipline and uncontrollability. This was noted, for example, by the same Baron Wrangel. The result of all this was that the Cossacks in the USSR began to ideologically and physically “destroy”, trying to uproot their stupid, stubborn, strictly individualistic, predatory mentality.

                    About your "pearl" - "selling skin" in my address. My grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War with the Germans. My Father, a Soviet intelligence officer, fought with the Chinese, and in North and West in Africa. My Mother is a translator of German, a specialist in "psychological wars." My sister is a doctor. Brother - career officer, graduated soviet College in the Caucasus. I don’t understand your message - I’ll simply write to your nearness and obstinacy ...

                    Like that...
                    1. Cossack Ermak 24 August 2014 22: 55 New
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                      20th century. Makhnovshchina - as one of the examples. And so - the inadequate cruelty of the Cossacks was noted, their indiscipline and uncontrollability. This was noted, for example, by the same Baron Wrangel. The result of all this was that the Cossacks in the USSR began to ideologically and physically “destroy”, trying to uproot their stupid, stubborn, strictly individualistic, predatory mentality.

                      You are a narrow-minded, narrow-minded, stubborn man. Confidently manipulating facts in a favorable light. A conversation with you is an attempt to catch a flea jumping from dog to dog. I don’t have time to sit in the Uzbek archives. I spent a lot of time in my local and nearby Russian, trying to find out the history of my family, hidden and warped by the Bolsheviks for a century.

                      An entire nation, the Russian Cossacks, was cut almost to the root by your international Jewry, since it was a force capable of resisting it. The good name and history of the Cossacks was also destroyed. The more I try to understand, the more I am amazed at the scale of this process.

                      This is genocide. Only in my family. Great-grandfather 6 sons returned with the Japanese alive. They ordered an icon in a local church. She is still there. They came from the domestic again all alive. And they all lay down in civilian clothes. Moreover, the Reds massacred in the village. The grandmother told how they used to bayonet old people, children and women at the door and did not allow them to be buried. Only my grandfather survived, as he was a boy since 1910. He, too, like your grandfathers fought in 1941 and ended the war in Prague.
                      I am proud of my ancestors. I know that they were great warriors and strong people. And I will also refer to your narrow-mindedness and narrow-mindedness when you blame the whole people - the Cossacks - for the stupidity of predation and approve of the massacre organized by the Bolsheviks.
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                        You are a narrow-minded, narrow-minded, stubborn man. Confidently manipulating facts in a favorable light.


                        Huh ... that sounds funny. So I, who is trying to offer you a little change in point of view, at least on the history of the conquest of Russia by Central Asia, based on preserved documents, and not official fairy tales and myths - "manipulator of history"? So?

                        Yes, I’m the one who understands that the same Russian conquest of Central Asia, the bloody conquest, believe me, is история, and it’s worth forgiving your ancestors, who were cutting mine at that time, for the sake of the fact that during the USSR we received a good impetus in development = all of us, not just Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan = there. I say it was worth it, and after that I narrow-minded? So?

                        I, whose many relatives suffered too, at the initial moment of the formation of Soviet power, and who, after all this, waved their hands to the past and went to defend their BIG homeland, and I am proud of them, quite legally, maybe "chauvinist" Uzbek?

                        Do not you think, dear, that you are not a little friendly with such concepts as logic, analysis, and just common sense? No?
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                        was cut almost to the root by your international Jewry


                        It’s not worth it, I’m in relatives to ascribe an entire nation, even from the "holy" land. Choose expressions when communicating with people, if you don’t know how to choose, just be silent, learn to talk for a start, or something - rehearse at the mirror ... *))
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            you read it badly. Before they kicked them into the territory of Uzbekistan.


            Everything is logical, in order to kick out you must first let
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          Dear, there is so little information about your state that the media report today on the creation of a US base on the territory of Uzbekistan is quite trustworthy. Whether it will or will not be this base is the business of your country, your people and your government. An ally is one who openly declares this and helps, than he can in a difficult moment for a friend. And do not fall into hysteria, bursting with long posts, over the fact that, for example, I briefly described the retaliatory measures that the Russian government can take on such an obviously unfriendly step of your state as the deployment of an American military base. Nothing personal, this is politics and everyone understands this. Or not all?
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    They will begin to deploy a NATO base at their disposal — to revise quotas for labor migrants, entry into Russia - according to foreign passports and for a period of not more than 30 days ... Everyone who is in the Russian Federation illegally-nah. to sunny Uzbekistan, build a NATO base ... hi
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      but didn’t get away with all these bases ... let's say short and medium range charges wassat
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    [quote = special] They will begin to deploy a NATO base at their disposal — to revise quotas for labor migrants, entry into Russia - according to international passports and for a period of not more than 30 days ... Everyone who is in the Russian Federation illegally-fucked. in sunny Uzbekistan, build a NATO base ....


    And also cooperation and contracts
    RF with Nato and the States? Ulyanovsk?
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    as soon as they post it it will be like in an advertisement with powder tide we will come to you the Taliban will say.
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      This we can stir up with the Kyrgyz! Even an army is not needed! Let's open the border - the relatives of those killed in Osh and Jalalabad will politely show the way to the north! soldier
  • Bassoon 23 August 2014 17: 21 New
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    In this case, you must send all the Uzbeks from the territory of the Russian Federation. Suitcase-station-village.
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      Which will inevitably lead to a decrease in demographic growth in the Russian Federation !! lol
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    You don’t need to touch ordinary Uzbeks, you need their president in an understandable form to explain the costs of cooperation with the United States, if this is indeed anticipated.
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    I was an electrician talking with an Azerbaijanian electrician. Conversation of the deaf. Elementary knowledge zero.
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    The East respects power, I do not urge to fight, there are other methods: a visa regime, the supply of weapons to the neighbors of Tashkent, pressure on Karimov’s relatives, but what else can be done. And most importantly, does Islam really want an orange revolution - the Yankees are big docks in this.
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    Ukrainians, Moldovans, Uzbeks, Tajiks ... are not to blame for the fact that vassals from the US State Department, the European Union and NATO took power in their republics. Personally, my opinion is: While the United States rules the world, this whole mess will continue. It is necessary to eradicate the influence of the United States on "small" peoples. As long as the USA exists ... there will be EVIL in the world. Evil is subject to destruction. Destroying the EVIL ... and all the vassals will close their mouths and burrow like filthy cats into dirty cracks.
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      Not guilty. But it seems to me that you do not quite correctly evaluate the Uzbeks and Tajiks. They always had almost a slave system. Even in Soviet times. For those who wish to challenge, I remind you - schoolchildren, students were constantly exported to harvest cotton. Say we also exported potatoes? This is a completely different situation. And while the US is trying to expand its influence in the Asian regions of the former USSR, they don't shine. Local kings will score for all arrangements if they do not see their benefit.
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    I wanted to speak on this topic:
    1 East - a delicate matter
    2 In the Ukrainian dementia, President Karimov was not noticed, i.e. realizes that letting amers into the country, it will be difficult to drive them out
    3 Uzbek - a synonym for the word trader! already figured it means that they will beg from Russia
    4 They can’t refuse rude forms to amers, they are afraid of the “color revolution”
    5 Refuse Russia in a rude form can not because; 2-3 million gaster brewed (or not allowed) is equivalent to the "color revolution"
    6 see point No. 1
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    This Americans rashly acted.
    Now the American instructors will compare their pilaf with their big Mac, their cognac (very good) with their bourbon.
    And they will not want to return.
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    And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?
    to the freemasons? I don’t give a shit about what politicians in Uzbekistan think about me at home, but the people with whom I spoke in Russia (construction crews) are completely normal.
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    Deport all non legal
    and legal workers are just 2 million according to the FMS. If you expel the Uzbeks, the Tajiks will occupy a niche.
    Quote: iung
    the legitimacy of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks.

    FAQ Is it about the citizens of Uzbekistan or about the Uzbeks (smacks of nationalism)?
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    Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.?
    Russian-speaking arrived
    to us, but I will not say anything about Russians (of which you probably spoke) (you yourself asked and answer in 2000, it was 1 million). The policy of the empire was colonial, and the policy of the USSR was anti-Islamic (including) Do you want to? Do Uzbeks conduct hostile policies against Russia? Not. So not enemies. And the Russians in Uzbekistan are really colonists. The disregard for compatriots led to tragedy, and given that every second Russian atheist is not surprising.


    Did you yourself have to live there? Judging by the words - no. I will not say that all Uzbeks are bad boys, I would rather say the opposite, they are very friendly and hospitable people. And there are specialists there too. But! the policy of the state of Uzbekistan cannot be called benevolent and hospitable! And millions of gaster from an unfriendly state are absolutely not needed.
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    and what will fly through the Persian Gulf - Pakistan - Afghanistan ...
    ours can then ban flights through its territory, if not already banned ...
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    And now, in return, with a savory kick in the ass of all Uzbek-gastric gastrikas back to their flawed country! Let them arrange a revolution for the over-presided Karimov! Let us see after that what base there will appear
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    To water the whole country (Uzbekistan) with shit, one article of the assumption in the Opinion section is enough. But for the most part the population of this country has pro-Russian sentiments.
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      But for the most part the population of this country, pro-Russian mood.


      Yes, there is such a thing ... Mentality is close. And if you analyze, Uzbekistan has not taken no one a step that would go against the strategic objectives and aspirations of Russia. It’s just causing a rush, total aggressiveness, of “couch” analyte EGs ... But this can already be attributed to inability analyze situation ...
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    m with weapons came their neighbors who to


    You have such an attitude to everything that even the desire to persuade you has disappeared.
    "It is useless to argue with a fool"
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    So what about the "stream of slaves", la-la, not necessary. He was at least - mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

    That's just here for more details. When and by whom were slaves from Uzbekistan taken? Where in Russia were slave markets? And in the 17th, 18th and even in the 19th centuries, according to conservative estimates of experts, from 10000 to 40000 Russian people a year were driven into slavery in Central Asia.

    My grandmother told me that back in the years 1880-1900 women and children were not allowed to work in the field and in the forest without the equestrian dress of the Cossacks.


    That is, YOU justify by this murder, robbery, rape, etc. that happened immediately after the occupation in all khanates and in the Bukhara emirate?
    That is, the life of 40 thousand people of the Russian Empire is more expensive than hundreds of thousands of lives of peaceful people of our lands ??????????
    Brilliant you stubborn soldier however.
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    The vast majority of the Russian people are unkind in relations between the Uzbeks. there are a lot of questions inclined to national analysis. Incidentally, your dryness is not surprising already.