American base in Uzbekistan?

Recently, the Uzbek Internet resource UzMetronom.com reported on the possible deployment of a US military base in Uzbekistan, which should replace the Transit Center in July in the suburb of Bishkek. And although the information about this has already been refuted by the Uzbek Foreign Ministry, the Americans themselves do not doubt the plans of preserving the military presence in Central Asia.

The reason for the appearance of assumptions about the US intention to place military facilities in Uzbekistan was the visit to Tashkent of the commander of the Central Command of the US Armed Forces, General Lloyd Jay Austin III. According to UzMetronom.com, the purpose of the visit is “to obtain the consent of Uzbekistan to be deployed in the Uzbek city of Termez, which is separated from Afghanistan only by Amu Darya, the American military contingent and military equipment, primarily aviation". Since the legislation of Uzbekistan prohibits the deployment of foreign military bases on its territory, the US base can operate under the guise of a logistics center, while being a full-fledged military structure.

The tasks of the base will include not only control over Afghanistan, but also electronic tracking of all the states of Central Asia, Kazakhstan, and partially Russia and China. For all this, the United States "according to rumors in diplomatic circles" is ready to pay Uzbekistan 1 billion dollars annually.

Americans already have experience of military presence in Uzbekistan. 2001 to 2005 At the military airfield in Khanabad, located in the Kashkadarya region of Uzbekistan near the city of Karshi, there was a US military base. Its status was governed by an agreement concluded in October 2001. The United States actually re-built the airfield, deploying a squadron of military transport aircraft C-130, about ten Black Hawk and 1500 helicopters of military personnel. The base was used to support US military action in Afghanistan. As known, story her stay in Uzbekistan ended after the US, under pressure from the public, demanded that the Uzbek authorities independently investigate the Andijan events 2005. In July, 2005 Uzbekistan stated that the United States should stop using the base for six months, and in November the last American plane left Karshi -Hanabad. The aircraft was partially redeployed to Bagram, and partly to the US base at the Kyrgyz airport Manas. However, the base in Manas was officially closed in July of this year, and the Americans who did not want to leave Central Asia had to find a new place for it.

Information about the possible deployment of a US military base in Uzbekistan is not the first time. In August, 2012, the Kazakh newspaper Liter, an organ of the ruling Nur Otan party, announcing the Central Asian tour of US Assistant Secretary of State Robert Blake, reported on the likelihood of a US military base deployed in Uzbekistan. Following this, the Russian Kommersant, citing sources close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan, reported on the negotiations between Washington and Tashkent over the creation of the Rapid Response Center, whose task would be to coordinate actions in the event of an aggravation of the situation in Afghanistan. The base was supposed to be the largest US military facility in Central Asia, which would assume most of the functions of supporting the American grouping in Afghanistan. In addition, the United States planned to transfer part of the military equipment and equipment being exported from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan.

In response, Russia in November 2012 announced plans to modernize the armies of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, putting them weapon and equipment for 1,5 billion. Since Dushanbe and Bishkek’s relations with Tashkent leave much to be desired, these plans did not cause any enthusiasm in Uzbekistan. In December, Uzbek diplomats assured the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, S. Lavrov, that there would be no US base in the republic. Nevertheless, Tashkent continued to refrain from participating in all unions and integration projects with the participation of Russia. In December 2012, he left the CSTO, and earlier left the EurAsEC, considering it ineffective. Uzbekistan initially did not participate in the negotiations on the establishment of the Customs Union, considering it as a threat to its sovereignty. In June of this year, President Islam Karimov criticized the agreement on the creation of a Eurasian Economic Union signed by Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus. “They say they create only an economic market and will in no way give up sovereignty and independence,” he said at a meeting with representatives of international business and foreign diplomats. “Tell me, can there be political independence without economic independence?”

The UzMetronom.com message about negotiations on the deployment of a US base in Uzbekistan may well be a “test balloon” designed to probe the reaction of Russia. At the same time, the development of US-Uzbek relations in recent years shows that this possibility should not be ruled out.

Unlike most states in the region, Uzbekistan unequivocally condemned Russia's actions in the Crimea and Ukraine.

4 March, before the Crimean referendum and the inclusion of the peninsula in Russia, the Uzbek Foreign Ministry expressed concern about the "real threats to sovereignty and territorial integrity" of Ukraine, calling for the use of force options and resolving the conflict solely by political means. 24 March, after the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Federation, the press service of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry reiterated the need "to refrain in international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state." In the opinion of Uzbekistan, the only reasonable way out of the current situation could be direct bilateral negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, the delay of which only leads to the aggravation of contradictions.

Since the beginning of this year, diplomatic contacts between the United States and Uzbekistan have noticeably intensified, not only at the political, but also at the military level. For example, 15, 28 and 30 in January at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan met with US Ambassador George Krol, who discussed with his Uzbek colleagues "relevant aspects of bilateral relations." On February 21, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan was visited by a group of students from the US National Defense University headed by retired general Joseph Hoar. On February 26, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Richard Hoagland arrived in Tashkent and held talks with Uzbek Foreign Minister Abdulaziz Kamilov. On April 18, a delegation of senior diplomats from a number of US diplomatic missions headed by Deputy Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asia, US Secretary of State Eileen O'Connor, visited the capital of Uzbekistan. May 7, US Deputy Secretary of State William Burns arrived in Tashkent on a working visit. 13 June, the head of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry in Tashkent held talks with the senior director for Russia and Eurasia of the US National Security Council Celesta Anna Wallender. 20 June A. Kamilov received the US delegation led by US Deputy Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Laurel Miller.

Finally, on July 29-30, a visit to Uzbekistan of General Lloyd Jay Austen took place, which raised suspicions about the possible opening of a US military base in the republic. Moreover, unlike all previous delegations, it was adopted by I. Karimov.

British diplomacy in Uzbekistan was quite high, although not as significant as the United States. January 29 and February 7 in the Uzbek Foreign Ministry held a meeting with British Ambassador George Edgar. 30 January, he participated in the negotiations that took place in the foreign ministry of Uzbekistan, together with American and French diplomats. In April, Baroness Saida Varsi, Senior State Minister for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, visited Tashkent and met in the Senate, the Cabinet of Ministers, the Foreign Ministry, and the Ministry of Foreign Economic Relations, Investments and Trade.

Western international organizations, dominated by US influence, also maintain active diplomatic ties with Uzbekistan. In January, the Special Representative of the European Union for Central Asia, Patricia Flor, visited Uzbekistan, discussing the development of economic relations. On June 4, the head of the Uzbek Foreign Ministry met with the new EU envoy for the region, Janos Herman. On May 9, 16 A. Kamilov met with the Special Representative of the NATO Secretary General for Central Asia and the Caucasus, James Appathurai, who visited Tashkent in connection with the official opening of the Alliance's bureau of relations with the states of the region.

In total, since the beginning of this year, according to official data, 10 meetings have been held with various officials and delegations of the USA, 4 - Great Britain, 2 - EU and 1 - NATO. In total, 17 rounds of various negotiations, and the 3 US delegations that visited the capital of Uzbekistan, were composed of military. For comparison, Russian diplomats held meetings with Uzbek colleagues, 5 diplomats, and 3 rounds of ministerial consultations, and official Russian delegations, according to information from the Uzbek Foreign Ministry, were not noticed in Tashkent.

That is, the activity of Russian diplomacy in Tashkent was at least twice lower than the combined efforts of the United States, Britain, NATO and the European Union.
Their interest in developing ties with Tashkent suggests that in the context of the unfolding confrontation with Russia, the West might like to stake on it, turning it into an outpost on the extremely strategic military-strategic southern frontiers of the Russian Federation.

The official pretext for this is the continued US presence in Afghanistan. Despite the fact that most of the US troops this year should leave it, some of them will remain there at least until 2016. And perhaps even longer, since no one is stopping the US President from making a new statement "in view of the changed situation." In Iraq, for example, it has already changed and demanded military intervention by the Americans. The format of the US military presence in Afghanistan is not completely clear. We are talking about a contingent of several thousand to several tens of thousands of military personnel who, naturally, will have to be supplied with everything necessary. Their presence is the pretext by which the United States wants to gain a foothold in Uzbekistan for a long time, increasing its influence in Central Asia. US Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, during his June visit to Tashkent, openly proposed the creation of an aviation maintenance office in the country to provide air transportation to Afghanistan. "The United States will be committed to maintaining peace and stability in Afghanistan and throughout the region after 2014, he told Uzbek journalists," The United States’s obligations in this very important region of the world remain. The USA is not going anywhere. ”

One gets the feeling that, both in Ukraine and in Central Asia, Americans are persistently acting on the patterns of Z. Brzezinski, who noted the key role of Uzbekistan in confronting the alleged “imperial ambitions of Moscow”.

"Uzbekistan, which from the national point of view is the most important and most populous country in Central Asia, is the main obstacle to the resumption of Russia's control over the region," he argued in the "Grand Chessboard." “The independence of Uzbekistan is crucial for the survival of other Central Asian states, and besides, it is least vulnerable to pressure from Russia.” The reasons for the fact that the republic is the main candidate for the role of regional leader in Central Asia, American geopolitics considered the most numerous population in the region, its mono-ethnic composition and strong national identity, based on deep cultural and historical traditions. He especially emphasized the fact that Uzbekistan has always consistently opposed the creation within the CIS framework of any supranational institutions capable of somehow limiting its sovereignty.

At the same time, caution of Tashkent in terms of deploying the US base is quite understandable.

Economically, Uzbekistan is still highly dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and a major labor market for guest workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1 / 5 GDP.

In addition, the presence of a foreign military base, which in a critical situation can be the object of military strikes, is not the most pleasant acquisition. Under the conditions of the strongest years of crisis in relations between Russia and the collective West, which is the strongest in the last 20-30, Tashkent has to consider this option.

Comments

[VICTOR-61]

TO DRIVE THESE UZBEKIVS FROM RUSSIA -that is a corrupt base to put an American base that everyone loves to cut money for free

[Penzuck]

Quote: VICTOR-61

TO DRIVE THESE UZBEKIVS FROM RUSSIA -that is a corrupt base to put an American base that everyone loves to cut money for free

4.2 million unemployed in the 2014 year. http://www.rosmintrud.ru/employment/employment/366
3,6 million Ukrainian citizens are located in Russia, representing the largest number of labor migrants, said Konstantin Romodanovsky, head of the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation. According to the head of the FMS, 2 million citizens of Uzbekistan also work in Russia.
In total, 14 million visitors have been registered, 11 million are hanging out in Russia. A chauvinist with Ganyi, the president of Ukraine is probably sweeping the street for you, maybe we will expel the Ukrainians? Why, iron logic!
Can you suggest something sensible? throat.

[the righteous]

Do you want Uzbekistan to build Uzbekistan with the help of America for our money? Let all the Uzbeks joke to their home and thank their president. The fewer migrants, the more entrepreneurs will be more responsible for their workers, and not exploit as slaves. Yes, and migrants now don’t really agree to work for a penny. And you shouldn’t talk about quality at all. Everyone knows how to do everything, but the question is how?

[Penzuck]

Suppose, pravednik, that you went to work in the USA and earned 300 000 rubles in half a year, and in Russia, in the same profession, 100 000, if you are kicked out, because of Putin back to Uryupinsk, will you scold Putin or Obama? Most likely Obama, but UZBEKS WILL IN YOURSELF WILL KILL YOUR PRESIDENT. Are you out of your mind, my friend? He drove out 2 of a million legal ones, he’ll snatch so many illegal ones (half of the crimes), but you’ll howl like a wolf. Legal plow for real money and pay taxes, and illegal immigrants, correctly, plow slaves. So what am I wrong about? Do you distinguish between the term Labor migrants (legal) and migrants who work informally? Drive everyone and close the border? Flag in hand and drum on the neck! Russia will have 3-4 million more enemies. The destabilization of Uzbekistan has started.

[iung]

And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us? read the Uzbek history textbooks there it is definitely written to Russia for them. To deport all non-legal and to review the legality of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks. Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.? Your mantra about hardworking janitors is beaten in order and does not correspond to reality. In my area, all the wipers are local and work hard. Apparently for people like you, the slogan “GO YOUR OWN RUSSIA” has never been relevant ...

[Penzuck]

Quote: iung

And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?

to the freemasons? I don’t give a shit about what politicians in Uzbekistan think about me at home, but the people with whom I spoke in Russia (construction crews) are completely normal.

Quote: iung

Deport all non legal

and legal workers are just 2 million according to the FMS. If you expel the Uzbeks, the Tajiks will occupy a niche.

Quote: iung

the legitimacy of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks.

FAQ Is it about the citizens of Uzbekistan or about the Uzbeks (smacks of nationalism)?

Quote: iung

Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.?

Russian-speaking arrived
to us, but I will not say anything about Russians (of which you probably spoke) (you yourself asked and answer in 2000, it was 1 million). The policy of the empire was colonial, and the policy of the USSR was anti-Islamic (including) Do you want to? Do Uzbeks conduct hostile policies against Russia? Not. So not enemies. And the Russians in Uzbekistan are really colonists. The disregard for compatriots led to tragedy, and given that every second Russian atheist is not surprising.

[iung]

moksha or erzya?

[Penzuck]

Erzya, the Russian-speaking assimilant.)) I hardly communicate with my ancestors. It’s a shame but nothing can be done.

[iung]

I should not sew nationalism), although this is now particularly trendy. Apparently, the interests of such construction dealers are spoiling the labor market. Not for you to tell the Mordvin about the mentality of the Uzbeks. The legitimacy of obtaining citizenship is a thing that is relevant in the light of all the left schemes. Ala, marriage to a grandmother, for you, it smells more like gerantophilia, and not nationalism

[Penzuck]

Quote: iung

I should not sew nationalism

Quote: iung

And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?

Quote: iung

Apparently, the interests of such construction dealers are spoiling the labor market.

Yes. but it’s half the trouble.

Quote: iung

Do not you tell Mordvin about the mentality of the Uzbeks

Quote: iung

I should not sew nationalism)

Quote: iung

The legitimacy of obtaining citizenship is a thing that is relevant in the light of all the left schemes. Ala, marriage to a grandmother, for you, it smells more like gerantophilia, and not nationalism

And this is finally but comments.

[g1v2]

Well, I saw a lot of Uzbeks and for the most part they were normal men. I have never heard any Russophobic statements from them. Another thing is that it would be a good move to blackmail Karimov with the possible deportation of migrants from Uzbekistan. Tk, he obviously will not be able to provide work for all returning migrants, which means that social upheavals are possible. We really do not need extra enemies, but don’t sacrifice our interests either. I think it’s time to learn from the experience of mattresses and begin to raise the pro-Russian opposition. Karimov is not eternal, and after his departure, you can put your man. And do not say that this does not concern us - it concerns, we will not support pro-Russian forces in neighboring countries or those that interest us, the Americans will put their people and we will be in the ring of enemies.

[iung]

To understand such things, you need to live there.

[Penzuck]

We do not need social tension in Uzbekistan, so this is not an option.

[iung]

Tension is hyper birth rate and standard of living.

[kyznets]

Russia, Comrade Penzuk, and so now there are 3-4 million enemies, and they are in Russia. And they will always scold Putin and the Russians. And to expel them, our officials and businessmen will treat their own people better, our officials and businessmen, and 3-4 million enemies of Russia will sit in their villages, and not at our side. And there is no need to throw accusations of "sGan chauvinism" and call yourself a bawler. This primarily characterizes you. You have no one to clean the streets, no one to work at construction sites except Uzbeks? Didn't you try to pay the Russians normally and didn't try to treat them normally? And did you try not to take part of the salary and bribes from them? There are no Uzieks in Belarus, and I was in the district town of Kobrin, Brest region. It's clean, tidy and well-groomed there. And they themselves work at construction sites. Accustomed to take by mouth, hand out labels. You are probably a civil servant or a businessman. You press very "competently" with numbers, but do not follow the words, like a schoolboy. Rudeness and demagoguery are not an argument.

[Penzuck]

4 million unemployed according to data from the FMS. Well, we will expel the Central Asians. 2 + 1 = 3 million (Tajiks and Uzbeks (legal migrants (legal labor migrants and illegal)) another million where to attach? Moldovans expel? (500 000), who else?
An example is a group of five people (Uzbeks) visiting 2 weeks in a village at the invitation of a local (not an official) team doing work, gets the money and dumps (a third rollback to the local businessman businessman) they take the same amount of work as the Russians. after 2 weeks the second group, etc. It is easier for a villager to hire Uzbeks and save money. How to hire a Russian, besides they still have to find. And the Uzbeks almost live in your neighbors. Entrepreneurs do not pay esn, that’s the whole benefit of illegal workaholics. When the 1 ment on the 20 000 population, how do you control everyone? It’s not accepted to knock with us (and there’s no reason, they don’t smoke anasha to the girls, they don’t bother, they know their business, they behave decently). To expel is not an option, you need to create jobs for the Russians!

[iung]

Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.

[Penzuck]

Quote: iung

Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.

And why didn’t they hit on illegal immigrants to the police, the FSB, the FSK, and the mass of options?
Che then raise the topic?

[iung]

Everyone was detained, as expected, but the media did not particularly deliberate on this topic and did not focus on the status of detainees.

[Penzuck]

Quote: kirqiz SSR

Yeah) you tell this to the Martians! they don’t smoke and don’t drink) not so long ago those who didn’t drink in three raped a girl in my area.

Where is your civic position? FSB, FSKN, police to the extremes? Half of the crimes according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs due to fault illegal migrants (not just Uzbeks), you want to drive out the Uzbeks, and all of them.

[iung]

What stupidity) why did you get that I want to drive out all the Uzbeks ?! it’s only that the government of Uzbekistan needs to be friendly towards Russia. Talking about the base is now very painful for Russia, and Mr. Karimov, as a very cunning politician, will not miss the chance to play such a card to receive bonuses both from current mattresses and from Russia. This is a type of Polish apples for Uzbekistan.

[KBR109]

Krasnodar. Tajiks and Uzbeks at construction sites. Our crowded out. Cheaper but worse. They smoke everything that burns, the level of serious ones was raised by 57% (including rape). They behave decently in the afternoon in the city center. Drive !!! I have already seen their families with children and grandparents. Forward Russia to Tajik patrols! Like in London!

[kyznets]

Firstly, the FMS data is still that data. We have more than half of the local unemployed unregistered. And many Russians, including work informally, like Uzbeks and Tajiks. Only for the money that Uzbeks really pay, normal Russian specialists (they know their job, don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t hooligans) will not go to work. And businessmen brought in Uzbeks and take in quantity. There is still a benefit: an Uzbek can be kicked out at any time and hire another. You can not pay an Uzbek. I work in construction. I see all this every day. And as before, the builder could earn, and how migrants bring down the payment. Although among the Uzbeks there are really fewer drinkers and smokers. When there were no migrants yet, local specialists were paid better, and held on to them, there were less scammers. And about the lack of working hands. Even under socialism there was such a term - intensification. This means taking not by increasing the number of people, but by mechanization, automation, and the quality of specialists. Bourgeois instead of three migrants with shovels will buy one harvesting machine, or a small excavator. In Kamchatka in the 60s, soldiers cleaned the roads after a blizzard. A battalion with shovels walked along the track and threw all day. And now this work is done in half an hour by one screw rotor. The issue is not the number of migrants, but the quality of power and businessmen.

[Penzuck]

And what will the orphan youth of Uzbekistan do? 2 million is the army, will the Wahhabis fill their brains and fight even against the Tajiks, even against the Kazakhs, if they don’t have a place in their homeland, where will they go (they won’t sit in villages)? The increase in 4 million people over 10 years, after deducting as Russian exterminated 1 million, 5 million Uzbeks, so here 2 million are just superfluous people. You are quoting the number of legal workers, the number of illegal workers will increase, the next ones will come out. Moreover, 1 million unemployed Russians are registered, the rest do not even itch, I got a job at the factory and earned 7000 steering wheels for six months, but as a result I snatched a good place and did not complain. And biomass continues to scold Putin. Take everything into your own hands and nae_vay. What do these unemployed live on? you will live on the 5500 allowance x_er and you will not raise children. So housewives and householders. So do not want to work! We are building a denouement in the northern meadow, so all the drivers of Slavic-looking equipment, the Turks, I only watched with a shovel (I see every day). The decline in fertility has led to a crisis in the labor sector, and here I do not know the Uzbeks.

[Su24]

I do not understand why some are dissatisfied here, but the flow of migrants and the dependence of the Uzbek economy on Russia is a real lever for influencing the foreign policy of Tashkent. It is enough to reduce by 1/3 the quota for Uzbekistan so that Karimov understands that it is better not to quarrel with Russia.

[WKS]

Quote: pravednik

Let all the Uzbeks joke to their home and thank their president. The fewer migrants, the more entrepreneurs will be more responsible for their workers, and not exploit as slaves.

Uzbek guys are cunning, they do not go into slavery. Their earnings are simpler and healthier, with teams of 5 to 15 people in the European part of the Russian Federation in the summer they take off some kind of hut for an overnight stay. On old (from somewhere procured) bicycles, they go round the surrounding summer cottages every day, take up any unskilled work, dig the earth, plant vegetables, weed, cut firewood, etc. Moreover, Russian knows only one, he is their boss.

[pazuhinm]

Tooting. Russians do not go to the construction site not because they are lazy. But because they do not agree to slavery. But Asians do not get used to it ...

[saturday86]

and you were in Asia in 90, I was on my own skin and felt the suitcase station Russia, do not know what you don’t know!

[Penzuck]

But I saw Tatar nationalism in Penza. As in 90's boys, spread rot in hostels. This is inside the Russian Federation. What do you want outside?

Quote: subbota86

don't know what you don’t know!

And I'm not talking. Under the USSR, that way, in 1969, 15-year-old boys, vocational schools were sent to Uzbekistan for practice, Three keep a bull, the fourth cuts off eggs. So the guys from there did not bring any negative. In the 70s, they already served in the army with the Uzbeks, nationalism sparred in all, most of them were spinning "the sun" when the rest were at zero. When you are strong, no one will touch you! And give slack and goodbye respect. So who's to blame? Uzbeks? or are we? now 5% of the population of Uzbekistan are Christians. 28 * 0,05 = 1,4 million. How many Russians died there 100-200 thousand, or maybe 300 - I don't know, but it's not worth stigmatizing all Uzbeks. These 5% live under serious pressure, but they do.

[Serg7281]

Who's the throat so it's you - Penzuck. I’m used to being cleaned by others, even migrant workers from Uzbekistan. You're used to just crap everywhere.

[Penzuck]

Screamer - A man who speaks a lot and in vain. Gorlopan = Screamer.

Quote: Serg7281

I'm used to being cleaned up by others

I do not litter.

Quote: Serg7281

You're used to just crap everywhere.

He came after me with a shovel?

But is it not idle talk about mosk_ilyaku-gi_lyaku, hva_tit kor_mit kav_kazz, uz_bekov - down? Where is your tolerance and libiry? In addition, in my commentary I tried to prove that it is impossible to judge the people only because we do not like the policies of their leader.

[siberalt]

"Drive these Uzbeks out of Russia"?

Ill-conceived or meaningless slogans are as harmful as verbal "dichlorvos" for cockroaches in the brain that sprinkles it.
Like the Uzbeks, the most advanced people in culture from all of post-Soviet Asia. And all these sorrows about the deployment of unfriendly military bases come from someone else's personal interests of our ruling clans. And nothing more. Just something is not shared. And no sane policy.
I will not tell you for the whole of Odessa, but for the Altai Territory, perhaps. Although the father of the apples "Almaty" will be closer to us, there are no fruits from there. Maybe Chinese clothes, disgusting confectionery and illegal cheap vodka and cigarettes. But from Uzbekistan the whole assortment of fruits, vegetables and melons, as well as pretty decent clothes. So much for the vehicle. Head to break, but something is wrong here.

[Zymran]

Strange, we don’t have clothes from Uzbekistan, we have from Kyrgyzstan. For people with low incomes, a great option. Fruits, vegetables - yes, quality from Uzbekistan.

Quote: siberalt

Here you have the vehicle. A head for a break, but something is wrong here.

I agree. Take better in the TS of Uzbeks. True, Karimov will not want to surrender all the state interests of the country in favor of the Russian Federation, as our 01 did.

[Buran]

And what has Kazakhstan lost after entering the TS ??? Rather, Russia, to a greater extent, is compromising its interests. After all, even the fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus is gaining access to the WTO through Russia, without any losses in its economy and long-term and costly negotiations, as was the case with Russia, already says something.

[Max_Bauder]

Our woodpeckers, if after gaining independence they invested in agriculture, now it would not be Brazil and Argentina (far from them), namely, we would deliver goods to Russia, meat, wheat, vegetables and fruits, all of this is growing in our country. But no, it’s cheaper for us to buy chemicals from abroad ... all these abroad, and sell our resources to them. Russia itself acted in exactly the same way, so it found itself in such a situation. Oligarchs, sir. So many jobs would be, and a strategic rear would be provided. Still, instead of supporting the northern neighbor, at least being neutral, well, these Europeans are importing their goods to us, but why smuggle Russia into Russia, is it so necessary to harm the ally ?! After all, they didn’t accept these sanctions to enrich them, but so that you and I would revive agriculture using the moment, because the clients are a whole state ?! competitor removed, which knocked down prices! Is it possible to start reviving our agriculture ?! losing weight with our ranks.

[Zymran]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Still, instead of supporting the northern neighbor, at least being neutral, well, these Europeans are importing their goods to us, but why smuggle Russia into Russia, is it so necessary to harm the ally ?!

Please, facts of smuggling of European goods from Kazakhstan to Russia to the studio.

Quote: Max_Bauder

After all, they didn’t accept these sanctions to enrich them, but so that you and I would revive agriculture using the moment, because the clients are a whole state ?! competitor removed, which knocked down prices! Is it possible to start reviving our agriculture ?! losing weight with our ranks.

The revival of agriculture is not a matter of one day or even a year. Here is a good article. http://www.radiotochka.kz/news/full/3800.html
And in general, Russians have long been exporting agricultural products from border regions. Even melons from the SKO go there.

[ODERVIT]

So if our woodpeckers invested in agriculture so invested in wheat, chicken ..... That cost yourself ....

[Zymran]

Quote: Buran

After all, even the fact that Kazakhstan and Belarus is gaining access to the WTO through Russia, without any losses in its economy and long-term and costly negotiations, as was the case with Russia, already says something.

You are clearly not in the subject. Kazakhstan was negotiating accession to the WTO and was in the final stages when it joined the Customs Union. And in the TS it was necessary to support the Russian level of protection and accession negotiations again reached an impasse.

By the way, only the completely idiotic and moronic position of the USA and the EU on issues of WTO accession prevented Kazakhstan from entering there earlier than in the Customs Union.

And what has Kazakhstan lost after entering the TS ???

Nuclear industry delivered to the Russians. The trade imbalance is increasing every year. Instead of normal cars - basins, rising prices. In addition, due to sanctions, the growth of investment in the country is slowing down.

[Buran]

Well then, it’s you who are not in the subject, after the inclusion of Kazakhstan in the WTO, your agriculture and industry would finally have made a pen. Apparently you are poorly acquainted with the conditions. And how do sanctions directly against Russia concern the state of Kazakhstan? Your officials are not allowed into the EU, your banks are discriminated against, supplies of machinery and equipment are closed to you ...? What is your nuclear industry, in uranium mining, or equipment manufacturing?

[Semurg]

Uzbekistan, like Kazakhstan, is in the orbit of interests of the former metropolis of the Russian Federation, the future empire of China and the real empire of the United States, and the main thing here is not to make a mistake with the choice (the National Academy of Sciences has long spoken Karimov on the subject of the union of Middle Asia, but something has not grown together, after that the construction of the vehicle began ) Kazakhstan .Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan have on their territory military bases, training grounds, military infrastructure of the Russian Federation (they are members of the Customs Union or are joining there), Uzbekistan makes its choice, Turkmenistan has already declared its non-block neutral status. Today, China is confidently in the lead in trade, investment, and investment in infrastructure, and if the pace is maintained, it will dominate in Central Asia without alternatives, and all military bases, training grounds, etc. will be in Central Asia until this threatens the interests of China.

[Penzuck]

siralt'u: And I'm talking about the same, the article may be informational stuff, but we are being led to this bullshit and still stir up interethnic strife. These guys are an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Moreover, public speaking in the media, here you will not get off with a fine. And instead of support, our friendly forum with the whole herd minus my comment. Why is our forum better than a censor? The fact that such comments are suppressed

Quote: VICTOR-61

To drive these uzbeks from russia

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[Giant thought]

Naturally, Russia needs to take countermeasures to prevent the emergence of a US military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, and there are plenty of options.

[Siberian]

news - a provocation, for such dim-witted users like you ...))))

[Max_Bauder]

I hope the Uzbeks come to their senses. Security is more expensive than money.

[Juborg]

Guys, absolutely out of topic, but now I was trying to watch Ryazanov's film "Garage", and I caught myself thinking that I could not watch it, look at these faces of traitors to Russia. In this film, those actors were selected (who are not yet dead) who sided with the junta and fascism.

[KBR109]

Intellectuals are the guano of the nation. Did the classic Ulyanov say?

[Lelek]

Quote: VICTOR-61

To drive these uzbeks from Russia

What a you, my friend, sweeping. With slogans like yours you can turn into Latvians.

[Bquunited]

VICTOR, sorry for the expression, you are Dumb!

[Cadet787]

The fate of New Russia can decide the naval landing
17.07.2014 - 11: 40
The media in recent days have repeatedly reported on the activities of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Novorossiysk militia on the Azov coast. These facts may indicate the preparation of a major landing operation behind enemy lines.
The experience of the Great Patriotic War shows that such landing operations often have a decisive effect on the scale of the army and even the front-line theater of operations (theater of operations).
Shocks on the coast become especially relevant, given the lack of effective anti-sabotage forces and means by punishers.

Konstantin Dushenov

[Kasym]

That's what I think. The base in RU would not have signed up long ago (before the withdrawal of the base from Manas), and Andijan is still remembered. Such frequent trips by Amer. delegations tell me that Karimov says neither YES nor NO. The people are very loyal to Russia and Russians. And Karimov perfectly understands the importance of the Russian Federation for the RU, especially since the Russian Federation has shown its teeth to the West, and he will take advantage of this.
By TS. Yes, Kazakhstan is taking a step back at the initial stage (the rise in import prices due to the rise in customs rates). But this is so that later there would be an opportunity to take 2 steps forward. And who does not understand this, he is not on friendly terms with the head. Here, Zymran, writes that they gave up the nuclear industry. IT IS NOT TRUE. KAZAKHSTAN WITH THE HELP OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION RELEASED TO THE HIGHEST PROFITABLE LEVEL - ENRICHMENT. Before that, we had the lowest income in the entire nuclear business - hake sales. Agreed 30% of the UCI in Angarsk and 15% in Uralsk. And where are the vaunted promises of the French and Canadians - they have been hanging noodles for 10 years ?! We got access to our uranium, but we didn't fulfill our obligations! WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNOLOGIES AT THE ULBINSKY COMBINE? Many people ask the question: "Why is the US not doing anything in the ROK (dirty tricks)?" Experts say the reason is URAN. But now in this business, with the help of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will take its rightful place (and earlier only the cheapest, the first level of redistribution). Both the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation have developed a common development strategy for this industry. Yesterday or the day before yesterday there was an article about Ukrainian uranium, but the same author wrote about Kaz. uranium - read it to anyone interested.
About the agriculture of Kazakhstan. Only last year, the government began to prepare a targeted program for the development of villages. households RK. So it is not surprising that the situation is awful, the state "hammered" on our villages and auls. I think now it will at least move - the day before yesterday the National Academy of Sciences fired the Akim (Governor) of the Alma-Ata Region. for this. But judge for yourself. Get meat from South America. It must be brought in, cleared through customs. And we have to take one spit, but there is no customs. It is one thing to "fence" a vegetable garden for 17 mil. people, the other for 170 million people. The vehicle makes it possible to fully raise the village. households - a sales market appeared. For the same apples. Same. There is where to sell - please ?! My own uncle has a garden, so I know what this is about. Previously, the apples of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation were pure contraband. "I am thinking of renting a truck with my neighbor in Russia too, we'll see." "To work with a retail network, large volumes are needed, and this requires" centers "for the consolidation of these food products (because we have small wholesale lots from peasants), so we need the help of the state." - Deputy of the State. Duma. This is what the authorities of Kazakhstan need to work on. I emphasize again. If there is a sales market, then this is half the battle. Or does someone think that our peasants do not want to drive good cars and live in good houses? The authorities need to do everything so that our peasants are a priority, they will not rust, just help a little.

[Kasym]

More interesting uranium facts.
The access to Kazakhstani raw materials is very beneficial for all players in the uranium market - then the total cost of the hake falls. Canadians and French have it very high. Due to the new method of extraction - acid leaching (something like that), it is cheap here.
All industry experts say that the price of raw materials will begin to rise rapidly - disarmament reserves are running out.
China exports up to 50% of all extracted raw materials (hake). In exchange, we have an agreement on lending to any sector of the economy - they keep their word. General agreements on investments and what has already been given, in total, over $ 50 billion.
Kazakhstan very persistently sought cooperation with the Russian Federation, because no one else would have given the opportunity to reach the highest level of redistribution and get max. profits (enrichment, centrifuges). But Rosatom signed up for cooperation only in 2006 (before that it was sitting on old stocks), but in fact it began in 2009. But before that, the USA, Canada, Japan, China and France have already climbed. "We turned to our ally and neighbor, but everything is busy there" - Kiriyenko, head of Rosatom. Well, now the Russian Federation has 22% of raw materials and 50% of all foreign production. And we have developed a common strategy in the uranium business, and the Republic of Kazakhstan got what it wanted - access to enrichment and its own percentage. The USA with its Westerhouse (or whatever it is) now depends on us. Experts say that now it is the turn of the Japanese to leave our market. And if Fran. from Canada. If they are fond of, they will be asked.

[saag]

Quote: Kasym

acid leaching

bz-zz, this cannot be in chemistry, this is a school course, called the neutralization reaction :-)

[Kasym]

“The underground leaching technology was developed independently in the USSR and the USA in the mid-1970s. The method was designed to extract uranium from typical roll-type deposits (a subspecies of sandstone-type uranium deposits) located in water-saturated permeable rocks, where conventional mining methods could not be used In both countries, the PSV method was developed on the basis of similar engineering and technological approaches. However, acid leaching was used in the Soviet Union and alkaline systems (mainly based on carbonates) were used in the USA. The choice of technology depends on the geology of the field and hydrogeological conditions. Alkaline (carbonate) leaching should be used in the ore zone of significant amounts of calcium. "
Well I do not know. This is described here. And they write "used acid leaching."

[Zymran]

Here are some equally interesting facts. http://www.diapazon.kz/kazakhstan/kaz-politics/37590-wikileaks-rossija-pytaetsja
-ogranichit.html

“The case of Mukhtar Dzhakishev, the former head of Kazatomprom JSC, is being sent to court amid growing rumors and the reasons for his arrest. In a video of interrogations published on Youtube on November 4 (2009 of the year), M. Dzhakishev claims that his arrest is related to Russia's strategy to limit Kazakhstan’s independence in the production of nuclear fuel, ”the US Embassy’s US Department of State said.

According to the document, a number of independent Kazakhstani and Russian analysts believe that "video recordings could play a role in the resignation of the head of the Kazakh National Security Committee on December 8."

The new head of Kazatomprom JSC Vladimir Shkolnik announced ambitious plans to continue the transformation of Kazatomprom JSC into a full-cycle producer. However, interlocutors from Germany and Canada noted the loss of Kazatomprom autonomy since they removed M. Dzhakishev. They also do not exclude that Russia played a role in this multifaceted drama.

Apparently, the videos are the recordings of the interrogation of M. Dzhakishev by the KNB. In the video M. Dzhakishev details his strategy on how to make a world-class uranium player out of Kazatomprom JSC. M. Dzhakishev tried to turn the company into a link of large uranium producers, in particular, the USA, Russia, France, China and Japan, and use these connections to improve the technical capabilities of Kazakhstan.

M. Dzhakishev also describes in great detail the agreement between Kazatomprom and Japanese Toshiba for the production of nuclear fuel tablets, the construction of a storage facility for these tablets in Japan, the construction of a uranium enrichment plant in Angarsk, the creation of the Kazatomprom-Toshiba-Westinghouse training center to train new specialists. According to him, this project could provide Kazakhstan with access to the nuclear fuel market.

M. Dzhakishev reports that he “received signals” at the end of 2008 that Rosatom began separate negotiations with a view to circumventing Kazatomprom and went to the Japanese, proposing the construction of a storage facility for Russian uranium tablets in Japan. Russia also wanted to buy a stake in the Canadian company Uranium One, which now works with Kazatomprom in two joint ventures.

M. Dzhakishev claims that he was trying to prevent Russia from gaining a controlling stake in the company by convincing Toshiba and one Chinese company to buy 20% in Uranium One. However, his arrest prevented the implementation of these plans. M. Dzhakishev believes that Russia asked for an arrest because she wanted to remove him from the case and leave Kazakhstan as a “banana republic," the message says.

[Zymran]

Quote: Kasym

By vehicle. Yes, the Republic of Kazakhstan at the initial stage takes a step back (price increases for imports due to higher customs rates). But this is so that then there is the opportunity to take 2 a step forward. And whoever does not understand this is not friends with his head

But what then would you call the one who proposed sending our troops to Ukraine under the guise of peacekeepers, but in fact on the spearhead of Putin’s attack, and even advised you to kindle the fire of war in the southeast more strongly? How can a Kazakh support separatists in general?

Quote: Kasym

Zymran writes that they gave up the nuclear industry. IT IS NOT TRUE. KAZAKHSTAN WITH THE HELP OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION REACHED THE MOST HIGH-PROFITABLE LEVEL - ENRICHMENT. Prior to that, we had the lowest income in the entire nuclear business — selling a hake. Agreed 30% of the cost center in Angarsk and 15% in Uralsk. And where are the vaunted promises of the French and Canadians - have they been hanging noodles for 10 years ?! Got access to our uranium, but failed to fulfill our obligations! WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNOLOGIES AT THE ULBINSK FACTORY?

Video recording of Dzhakishev’s testimony, and several more on the same portal.

[Kasym]

Dzhakishev. But this is not the sale of the nuclear industry to Russia. And I do not deny his merits. But ... he is not able to make centrifuges. And what the west writes. experts are independent about his "departure" and "loss" of status. player ... I'm funny ... Listen, Zimran, their uranium enrichment technology (membrane) turned out to be worse. And what can they offer on this topic? In fact, the West simply has a different design of tablets (form) and that's it. In fact, all of them were allowed in to give them access to their markets. EVERYTHING WILL NOT WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING MORE. In short, even read your link ... complete bullshit. Well, think for yourself: are the Kazakhs and the Japanese building a TsOU in Russia (Angarsk) without Russia's interest? Why not in Japan or Kazakhstan, because no one will give a centrifuge ?! Japan was needed as an INVESTOR. ALL.
No TECHNOLOGIES, design and parameters of their tablets, but at the Ulba Combine. WHERE? In short, on the topic YOU are zero.
About peacemakers. I just ASSUMED. And justified why. Because RUSSIAN UN WILL NOT LET. And who will stand between the Slavs when they kill each other? Americans, Germans, French, Poles or Hungarians? Yes, these are only happy with what is happening there. Besides us, it turns out nobody. And he suggested that they would ask us.
AND FURTHER IN UKRAINE. WHO came to power, on whose bayonets did everything begin? RIGHT SECTOR - Fascists! My two grandfathers fought! THEREFORE YOU DO NOT TREAT ME, ABOUT PUTIN AND ALL THIS! ALL THIS IS AN ANSWER TO THE ACTION OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR SIMILAR! WHAT SEPARATISTS IF IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TALK IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE WHEN NO ONE LISTEN TO THEM AND CALLS NON-PEOPLE!

[Semurg]

Kasym. Question in 86 in December where were and on whose side were your sympathies then and now? there then similar thoughts sounded about nationalists in the square as in your post about fascists. About grandfathers fought at all why? or if your grandfathers fought your truth is truer than Zymran?

[Kasym]

1st year student of FMPM KazSU. Studying from the second shift. Classes were canceled, a bureaucrat came and asked ... to stay at home. Several people went to the square. Just out of curiosity, there were different rumors around the city. We walked through the meeting place, across the square. Everything was peaceful, there were no special signs of the impending riots. Mostly students, young people from all districts of the city (especially those adjacent to the center, Salem, Kirpaki, etc.). The cops themselves did not know what to do from such an influx, they crowded together. And there were all sorts of conversations, someone tried to speak there, but they couldn't really hear. "Why Kunaeva? And who is Kolbin?" - these are the main questions. But I definitely haven't heard "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs" or something close to it. So what was there to do? In the evening, right in the snow with the boys, they drove them into bacon. And around 11 pm someone from the center came and talked about how "the cops were taken away in the square." On the trail. day flooded there with a crowd from the area, but where there. Everything is detached (half a kilometer away), and the local boys said that they were better off holding on. "The cops give a response for yesterday." I must say that the "boy" movements were strong in the city (at the level of the Kazan Groupings - there was such a thing, in the newspapers they published). Crossbows, knives were all the rage and fashion. I even suppose (only suppose) that the first blood could have been let out in such a way that it was the reason for further events. That's all there is to it. And what is your position? Then there was tension in society, but not more than a month or two. After all, if you look at it like that, then there was no international showdown. It is a fact. It's just that PROPAGANDA played a role. And those who suffered suffered. And there were no flags and SS symbols on the square, as in the history of Maydan.
Like Dzhakishev. He made a huge contribution to Kazatomprom. But like everyone used offshore to avoid double taxation, this was an ordinary practice for large companies. Well, maybe he tidied up something, but in fact he became a scapegoat. There are many things that I can’t write.
About Ukraine. Not for that grandfathers fought, so that now under the flag of the SS of Galicia thugs marched there. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT. AND WHY ZYMRAN PROVOCES THE PUTINS ... etc. I do not hide my sympathy for the militia, real men. The truth is that this WEST provokes Russia and constantly puts a spoke in its wheels. And not that Zymran or I speak the truth. SOURCE OF EVENTS IN UKRAINE NOR PUTIN - WHAT DOES HE NEED THIS? OR DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT MAIDAN STARTED PUTIN? HIS OLYMPIAD HAS - AND WHO USED THE MOMENT WITH THE EVENTS 08.08.08 - ALSO PUTIN? GDP, if it had invented such a thing, would have realized it only after 2 years - not earlier. And no matter how it happened, GDP lost - the Slavs killed the Slavs. Even if Ukraine turns its face or Russia "conquers" all of Ukraine, Russia will lose, only because by the time. Ukrainians will be joined by neutrals.
Another important point. If NATO enters Ukraine, the general security system will suffer - flight time is negligible. Therefore, the Russian Federation will do everything to get the whole of Ukraine. Understand how you want. But the interests of Russia (and therefore Kazakhstan) are strongly affected. What say this? Or will we continue to chew snot about sympathy? We are talking about the fact that the United States has the possibility of an unrequited strike! They did it once, why not bring Russia to its knees like that? We will be strong only in alliance with Russia, in other cases, we are a colony. That’s the whole logic. There are many more things that unite us, but the main thing for me, as a father, is security.

[Talgat]

I believe that there is no morality in politics. The United States and the West lie and bomb everyone. But the Russian Federation can now be blamed for something. But one cannot build an opinion and position depending on the propaganda of one or another side. It is necessary to decide who you are and where. This is a thousand-year conflict between the West and Eurasia
If we live here and great-grandfathers lived here - and we are not going to leave - then we must choose the side accordingly
The Russian Federation is now the heiress of not only the USSR - but also of the Golden Horde - and before that, desht and kipchak - and before this Attila
And I don’t believe that our republic can be happy by becoming an "island of the State Department" here or be really independent surrounded by major centers of power

[Semurg]

Kasym clarified something for himself. Now for the militias you admire. Answer how the Russian militias can fight against fascism-nationalism in Ukraine, having in Moscow annual "Russian marches" (or Russian Nazism is good and Ukrainian is bad), about the authorities and the supply of mts and militia weapons, I do not say the Russian authorities are pursuing their own goals (history from the DNR has a long history and did not arise in response to the Maidan). By the way, you are an Alma-Atan, so you know how in the 90s the descendants of Uyghur refugees from China in Chilik declared about "your state, and our land" until they were popularly explained that this was not so (or do you agree with those Uyghur claims, because similar things are said in Donetsk). There was no national painting of zheltoksan why then 95% of Kazakhs were on the square? And why did Kazakhs and Russians travel on different sites in buses after it? And why the first victim of the Maidan was an Armenian, and the subsequent victims on both sides were Russians and Ukrainians, and a Jewish president was elected, how did it happen with the Ukrainian nationalists. And the right sector and freedom gained less than 3%, while the Liberal Democratic Party and the Motherland in the Russian Federation gained 15-20% each (but all the same, Ukrainians are Nazis and Russians are not). At the expense of Ukraine in NATO, in my opinion, Russia did everything to make it happen (I remember the protests in Odessa against the entry of the American ship and now they will be happy about it). Russia's interests are their interests and they do not always coincide with our interests. About snot and the colony, it's how you like it if you yourself feel that you are not the first and not the last, after all, Toychibekov.

[Kasym]

Semurg, Zymran, Talgat, if you are adults, you must understand that dialogue is not built like that. You answer the questions that I pose. I answer and ask, and you only ask questions. This is not fair. Nevertheless, I will answer. I answered everything about uranium, the fact is that every day I see and talk with people from the INP (Inst. Nuclear Physics) near Alma-Ata. In fact, everything that Dzhakishev planned was all done, the strategy and plans did not change.
1) I do not deny the presence of nat. groups in the Russian Federation, but at least they started to do something with them. At least, they have not been seen in the box for a long time. And not like in Ukraine - there are already whole parties and movements. But the worst thing is that those same 2-3% make the weather in Ukraine.
2) You have a mistake about the Uighur. There were Uighurs who moved from the PRC. Now, if we stop supporting all our diasporas in Kazakhstan, we will get what is in Ukraine. Lesson number 1. There is no need to oppress national minorities, but on the contrary, to help so that our land becomes a real home for them. "Not a stepmother." Give schools, at least evening ones; the opportunity to learn language, culture, customs. traditional religion for them.
3) About 86 years. I can only add. The cops in the initial stage of escalating the situation were pressed hard, very hard. I even know representatives of various groups in Alma-Ata, who participated there and were proud that the cops were "stocked up" in full. Question: "Who do you think were the main residents of the hostels at the time?" That is why most of them were Kazakhs. And once again for those who do not understand. Well, there was initially no nat. slogans. Did not have! Then, when the mesevo began, this began to slip. And this can be called a provocation. And they picked it up, just the students. But I repeat that at least 30% at first, these were local boys. And when the cops wanted to oust the people from the square. The students resignedly began to leave. It was the local boys who got up to the knives and it started. It was like wall to wall, only on a large scale. And which often took place in Alma-Ata at that time. The cops got so bad that some were taken to the ROVD 2 times a day because they were "in a hot spot." So Alma-At. the boys had a lot of reasons to get even with the cops. And another fact for thought. Then the student could be expelled only for the smell of alcohol. So think about who was not initially afraid to ask for trouble against the cops.
4. So I write that the tension was in society, well, max. month. And then everything fell into place. (regarding buses). Well there was no interethnic. showdown or YOU deny it !?
5. Where did I write that Ukrainians are nationalists? The authorities simply sold out to the State Department and all things. Everything that happens in Ukraine is a script not written in Ukraine. Here is the main thing. This is the starting point. That is, no one defends the interests of Ukraine, Ukraine defends the interests of the West. It is regrettable. But what should Russia do? After all, they drove her into a corner, NATO goes to her, her security is in jeopardy! Georgia, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Yugoslavia, now Ukraine. Is the USA everywhere or does it seem to me? Now imagine what could happen to Russia? If they push it like that and make it an outcast, then RUSSIAN Fascists will appear. And then little will not seem to anyone. LET IT BETTER NOW FINALLY FIND OUT IN UKRAINE WITH THESE STATE STAFF PUPPETS OR GET RUSSIAN FASCIS ON THE BORDER. HOW DO YOU SUCH A DISPOSAL? And this is not fantasy. Well, imagine a driven one, not a mouse or a rat, into the corner of an angry bear with nuclear weapons. We will get in the first place and look at such a bear no matter what. How do you not understand this? I did not want to write this, because This is a Russian site. For a long time this thought has been sitting with me, since the beginning of the Maidan. If here the Russians will miss the beat, then there will be a proliferation of radical movements in Russian society — as you do not see, even on this site, in the mood of the people! ??? Well, this is visible to the naked eye.

[Semurg]

Quote: Kasym

Semurg, Zymran, Talgat, if you are adults, you must understand that dialogue is not built like that. You answer the questions that I pose. I answer and ask, and you only ask questions. This is not fair. Nevertheless, I will answer. I answered everything about uranium, the fact is that every day I see and talk with people from the INP (Inst. Nuclear Physics) near Alma-Ata. In fact, everything that Dzhakishev planned was all done, the strategy and plans did not change.
1) I do not deny the presence of nat. groups in the Russian Federation, but at least they started to do something with them.

1) I will answer. there are groups and are very active, until they switched to Ukraine but did not disappear there, gaining experience and stocking up on weapons. As for the fight against them, the authorities in the Russian Federation are not sure, they are rather trying to use them, but I think this bulldog will grow up and bite off the trainer's hand. 2) What is the mistake? Nat. minorities, first of all, should stop thinking that the land on which they live is their land and they will one fine moment move from this land to another country (your state, our land) is the land of Kazakhstan. If this is accepted by the diasporas, they have no problems with living in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and there is no need to especially arrange dances with tambourines around the diasporas, if there are a sufficient number of school students in places of their compact residence (Russians, Uzbeks in the south, I think there are Uyghur). 3) I don’t know which guys went to the cops with a wall, but the vast majority of those who suffered from beatings and repressions from cops and special forces are students from the hostel (and in your opinion it should have been a local international lads, it was just not there or they cleverly last moment slipped away). This is to the fact that the urban Russified Kazakhs for the most part were either against or neutral, the Russians were absolutely all negatively opposed. 4) The tension was asleep because the Kazakhs were washed and the Kazakhs understood until Almaty became Kazakh (at that time we were like 16% of the population, in Kiev the absolute majority of Ukrainians did not manage to wash there), we will not achieve anything and therefore the "mambets" by all means and by crook they began to burst into Almaty whatever it was (Kazaktyn Astanasy, Orystyn Baspanasy, Uygurdyn Askhanasy) 5) On this point, a person came to power in Kiev for whom 53% of voters voted in the first round, and these are not fascist bayonets of the right sector, as you wrote (time will tell if the bad one is good, but if the bad one is stupidly re-elected, and if the very bad one is chased away before the end of the presidency). For uranium and Dzhakishev, you yourself admit that his program is still working, but without him. It was removed because of the Russian Federation, according to the progress in uranium processing in the Russian Federation, we realized that as before, it would not work out and the Republic of Kazakhstan would be able to achieve this with others (very similar to the situation at Baikonur, if a couple of competitors are drawn there, the Russian Federation will immediately admit the Republic of Kazakhstan to joint projects, but there is still no figure of the caliber, skills and knowledge of Dzhakishev in this industry).

[Kasym]

Now you can discuss.
1. Well, at least here they figured it out. This "bulldog" will gain weight if the power has grown. will miss blow after blow. And it will be in the Duma if the Russian Federation loses in Ukraine. Therefore, if Yarosh and company rule (Semurg, well, what Poroshenko is the president? Agree, PS and Right Sector, Aydar, Azov, etc. military structures not under his control. A message just came that because of the betrayal of Azov again there was a cauldron. He declared at the Parade about 3 billion in service ... Well, this is crap. He is a puppet and his influence is limited), but the fact that this is the main force of doubt, there is no doubt that they wanted to go to Kiev recently and then what happened. In short, they win - the nationalists of Russia win. And off we go. Thousands of Limonovs will appear. Do you understand what will happen next or not? Therefore, we are vitally interested in the victory of the militia and the GDP - blood from the nose. Isn't that logical! We have been discussing this in my circle for half a year.
2. Is it possible to compare those Uighurs with ours? Well, Semurg, you surprise! It would be much more serious if our Uighurs went for it! Agree, then you can discuss. So, somewhere serious jamb. And this is not serious. You live in the Republic of Kazakhstan, we are not going to deprive them of their language, culture, customs. There are ANCs, etc.-all institutions are. Please offer what you want. Put on public display - as I understand it. So do not compare these 2 events (Uygurs. Sob. And Maidan)
3. Zemlyak, here you were not there. So why. I'm special. I wrap around this topic. But essentially. People came to the square (I was somewhere in the region of 2-3 hours. Day). Absolutely spontaneously - no organization. Agreed or not? It was, as is usually the case on holidays (in Alma-Ata, young people go to the square — all are clogged with New and Old). But there was only tension. People naturally stood in heaps (friends, etc.). Someone may have performed, but the point is in such a crowd. And that’s the main thing. FIRST cops. It was then that they were already regrouped and went to destroy everything — one student climbed up on my friend’s balcony on the 3rd floor of the 16th building (right, if you look at them) —he didn’t know where to escape from this massacre. Understand that the locals all know there, it is not surprising that visiting students fell under the distribution. Personally, I was between 2 16s and met a bunch of locals, especially since there are 23 schools where my children studied (I repeat this was between 2-3 hours a day). There were already a lot of people at that time. The Russians were against it, against Kunaev - think carefully !? Russian Alma-Ata will never say a bad word to Kunaev.
4. No, in Alma-Ata I slept for a month. Yes, and on the buses at first it was - about 3,4. Then at rush hour we traveled like a herring in a barrel and ... everything. I honestly don’t want to comment on this.
5. Kiev. Do you know what the people of Kiev say about the election of Yushchenko and Yanukovych? Well, he was recognized. But further. Just the facts.
a) instead of the promised negotiations with the East, a war with shelling of the civilian population with Grads and Points. Is this his sincere desire or someone suggested?
b) instead of the promised benefits with European integration, the complete extermination of the economy, tools, infrastructure, and the residential sector. Does he want this or does someone control it, does someone press on him?
c) closing the information space of Ukraine and a cynical lie about events in the East. Or isn’t it?
d) the plane of Malaysia. Or, too, came up with the GDP, agree it is too much.
e) he throws the last money to the war. He is a businessman and must understand what will happen in the winter. In fact, a bankrupt country has turned into an agricultural sector.
e) why so many baht. in the East, masked, and the militias are not afraid to hide their faces?
g) why are they fighting so badly? run to the occupants who treat and feed them for free; dysert. But Ukrainians in the USSR Armed Forces was half the Army. Why is this happening, the pilots do not want to fly, shoot anywhere, etc.? Yes, there is NO TRUTH behind them, that’s all.

[Kasym]

We can continue further. But this is enough. And what follows from here. For me, what is there anarchy, president, prime minister, etc. - talking heads and puppets. Power is for those who have power and money. Do you really think that Poroshenko can do something? Note all his promises were empty words. About money for volunteers, etc .. PSy is the spearhead of the Amer spear. And agree with them everyone is considered: from Poroshenko to Kolomoisky.
Uranus. And what does the sale of the interests of Kazakhstan have to do with it? Listen, everywhere experts talk about the OUTSTANDING achievements of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the uranium industry, so it’s ridiculous to hear about what Zymran writes. I corrected it. And he ... doused and dumped. Well, why so? This is not the first time. Yes, I agree that the Russian Federation had a hand with Dzhakishev — I wrote about this a year ago. But the East can be built, and uranium is limited in its quantity. And we have 3 reserves in the world. This is a trump card and the first place in production. And it’s very cheap. You think nothing of the ANAS as a bad negotiator, and everything will be fine on Baikonur, I don’t want to explain, I wrote a lot on this topic. You can not put the conviction of Dzhakishev on a par with nat. interests, Zymran got excited. He puts it in the argument of surrendering nat. positions. Dzhakishev has repeatedly said that without the Russian Federation it is difficult and impossible to achieve high profitability. The same is true for reactors - Russian owls. the best technologies. In all senses. It is possible to cite the fact that we had a fast neutron reactor, in the Caspian Sea - it makes no sense to plunge, but if you are interested, find yourself. In the USSR there were technologies for building medium and small reactors (there are no analogues). Here we have a good and excellent tandem with Russia (for uranium). It can be set as an example. Of course, there are questions everywhere, but if it works out, we will have an order of magnitude more instead of 1 billion a year.

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: Semurg

2) What is the mistake? Nat minorities should first of all stop thinking that the land on which they live is their land and at one point they will move with this land to another country (your state, our land) is the land of Kazakhstan. If this is accepted by the diasporas, they have no problems with living in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and there is no need to especially arrange dances with tambourines around the diasporas, if there are a sufficient number of school students working in places of compact residence (Russians, Uzbeks in the south, I think there are Uigur ones).

I live in Northern Kazakhstan and do not want any redrawing of borders. I want to live where my ancestors lived and are buried. I want to speak my language and pray in my church. Work and raise children.

But why shouldn't I consider the land where I live as my land? I am the same citizen of Kazakhstan, like all others. But in your opinion I am a person of lower rank. I pray to God that people like Kasima. Sober and far-sighted.

[Semurg]

Cossack. Well, if there are no plans to redraw the borders, then this is our common land, Kazakhstan. All posts about land and the state for those who want to-wanted to create their own state republic on the land of Kazakhstan (Uyghurs-Germans) or move with the land to the neighboring state-republic (Russian-Uzbeks). Speak and pray in your own language if you are comfortable, and it is advisable for children to give knowledge of the Kazakh (state) language in addition to the Russian language in the future if they have no plans to leave Kazakhstan for demographic reasons (but you may not give it later when competing in life, they will lose to two and trilingual opponents), because you are not outraged by the intention of the Russian authorities to introduce a language exam for migrant workers (temporary workers), and why then are they bothering the authorities to study the Kazakh language? I didn’t write that you are a person lower than me, the idea is different, everyone who calls for the dismemberment or weaning of part of Kazakhstan is my enemy (in particular, the Kazakhs who want to include part of Kazakhstan in the caliphate, this and some Russians that want to include part of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation, etc. -etc).

[Talgat]

Kasym, I fully support you. I have been reading your posts for a long time - you are saying everything correctly

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: Kasym

2) You have a mistake about the Uighur. There were Uighurs who moved from the PRC. Now, if we stop supporting all our diasporas in Kazakhstan, we will get what is in Ukraine. Lesson number 1. There is no need to oppress national minorities, but on the contrary, to help so that our land becomes a real home for them. "Not a stepmother." Give schools, at least evening ones; the opportunity to learn language, culture, customs. traditional religion for them.

It's nice to read an intelligent person. Unfortunately, I often hear: suitcase, train station, Russia.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Cossack Ermak

It's nice to read an intelligent person. Unfortunately, I often hear: suitcase, train station, Russia.

I have a pattern gap Didn't you say to the Uzbeks on the same branch, practically the same thing - a suitcase, a train station, Uzbekistan ?!
And is it really a descendant of the great warriors, just will not send to ..?! the one who tells him so ..
Especially in SevKaz ..

Quote: Cossack Ermak

But in your opinion I am a person of lower rank.

There is no such thing in the posts of Sagat-agay. He expresses a completely natural concern that, for example, SevKaz, as the Crimea did not move to Russia ..

Quote: Cossack Ermak

I live in Northern Kazakhstan and do not want any redrawing of borders. I want to live where my ancestors lived and are buried. I want to speak my language and pray in my church. Work and raise children.

I think that Semurg and Zymran, and most Kazakhs will subscribe to these lines. Does anyone forbid speaking Russian, praying, working and raising children ?!
Yes, and I personally, usually rejoice when Russian, or there the Belarusian calls RK his homeland ..

Quote: Kasym

What kind of reaction did you expect from Russia? SECURITY questions were touched ?!

Nobody argues about Kasym-agai. On the contrary, claims to the Kremlin, why didn't they work in Ukraine ?! Why did they start the situation ?! Why "handed over" Ukraine to the mercy of pravosek and the State Department ?! And they began to react, clumsily and awkwardly, while it was necessary to act as delicately and accurately as possible. And they began to react when it was actually too late to drink Borjomi ..

Quote: Semurg

and take a closer look at China

Here gentlemen, the Russian imperials survived .. that the Kazakhs are already eyeing China ..

[Semurg]

I watched a neighboring branch there, they harshly rejected you for the simple truth how you behave with others and will do this to you. At first it seemed to me the same that Russian-Ukrainian enmity was a bit of a shame (everyone pushed a little), and now I’m becoming more and more convinced of some almost manic hatred between them, which is very unusual for me and new. The Chinese came two months ago, lived at home for three days and lo and behold it turns out that people also have two arms and legs, they think how to grow up children, how to help parents and how to earn money for this.

[Kasym]

Alibek, for the life of me I don’t understand: “Why did Russia spoil the Republic of Belarus and Belarus with its subsidies? I think this is the main reason for failures in politics to the“ fraternal ”states! If they were shown a place right away, they would not run far."
And now YES, then there’s simply nowhere to retreat (for safety)! But Semurg doesn’t understand that they will come after us anyway after Ukraine (if the Kiev authorities win there). He is probably not in vain in the garage, we cook something at night. ... He stores "gifts".

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Kasym

Alibek, I don’t understand for the life of me: “Why did Russia spoil RU and RB with its subsidies?

Agay, don't read Soviet newspapers in the morning. Rossmi has long been hammered that they feed and support everyone. In Ukraine, it was not RU that was spoiled, but the oligarchs and Yanyk, and this, you see, is fundamentally different.

Motors1991 UA February 17, 2014 16:35 |
In December, Russia gave Ukraine 3 billion dollars, where no one knows where it went, Russia lowered the price of gas to $ 268, Dnepropetrovsk regional gas purchases from the Cyprus offshore gas at a price of 568 dollars per 1000 cubic meters and so on.

Banal situation, very similar to bullying in the army.
When officers delegate to senior servicemen to restore order in a subordinate unit.

Quote: Cossack Ermak

I just said that if a decision is made to create a base, then we must respond firmly and without illusions.

It is very important how it is served. With what tonality. The language of ultimatums will only provoke the growth of Uzbek nationalism, which in turn will be aimed at the Russian population of the Republic of Uzbekistan, of which 1 million

Quote: Semurg

caught up with a bunch of explosives, cops, special forces, but still could not suppress, since there were 80% of Kazakhs and had to return these areas to Kazakhstan).

Share the link.
By the way, did anyone hear about the alleged Ufa OMON refusal to take part in the crackdown in 1986. Something clearly looks like an "urban legend".
But the real one. Familiar Kostanays hold contacts with the Bashkirs. I will not shine in what area. In general, during feasts, Kazakhs and Bashkirs throw presents to each other. For fun, of course, but nonetheless ...
Kazakhs for Tevkelev, and for the Bashkir batyrs - tamyrs who campaigned for the Russian protectorate. Like - okay, we ignorant Kazakhs, but you knew how much a pound dare.
Bashkirs for not supporting them when they turned to ours for help against RI. And moreover, they stabbed in the back, becoming punitive ..

[Semurg]

What are the links? about the transfer of those regions to Uzbekistan and then three months ago? it was under the USSR, probably there are some decisions at the level of the Council of Ministers or whatever it was called. at the expense of the massacre probably in the archives of the KGB-KNB is. I only have the stories of my relatives from the Maktaral region (reliable for me, I don’t know for you) By the way, Mr. Gagarin, who was transmitted at the same time, did not return back, when asked to his relatives why they answered “syrgeli gigitter kotersinge katyspady al endyn kujattardy ozbek dep zhazypkoidy, endo olar Kazakstanga oralman dep kelemiz dese kujattarda ozbek dep zhazylu tour, solay bulgans durys biz tonkeris zhasaganda olar korkyp komektespedi al ende sart bolip otyrsyn.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Semurg

I have only the stories of my relatives from the Maktaral district (for me, reliable, I don’t know for you)

Generally completely new information for me.
It would be good for your relatives to send an expedition to collect materials on this topic. Surveys, interviews .. Kostanay is far from your places, and you could try to organize it ..
I’ll copy your comment, try to probe, maybe someone will be interested in the thread ..

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: Alibekulu

I have a break in the template. Did you say to the Uzbeks on the same branch, practically the same thing - a suitcase, a train station, Uzbekistan ?!

I just said that if a decision is made to create a base, then we must respond firmly and without illusions. Secondly, I spoke there about temporary arrivals to work, and not about citizens.

Quote: Alibekulu

And is it really a descendant of the great warriors, just will not send to ..?! the one who tells him so ..

Sent more than once.

[Alibekulu]

Shalom agayyndar There are no Kazakh topics, you have to spend aitys on other branches ..

Quote: Kasym

Not for that grandfathers fought, so that now under the flag of SS Galicia the young men marched there.

My grandfather died in WWII, but I in no way consider the Ukrainians to be fascists .. even close ..
By the way, agay can you give the criteria (standard, template) by which fascism can be identified ?!
As for the Westerners, the reason for their dislike is simple and understandable. Let's remember that they fought for independence from Poland for a long time, which in the end happened, but fell under the Stalinist repressive apparatus. How would you feel yourself if, for example, your father was shot, your mother was sent to "Algeria", and your brother was sent to cut wood in Kolyma ?! Look, even the "braked", I apologize, the Nordic Balts managed to bring that they were enrolled en masse in SS units, then what do you want from the Galicians ?!
Moreover, it was perceived sharply, so did the brothers in blood and faith ..

Quote: Kasym

I do not hide my sympathies for militias, real men.

I am sure that many of the militias are real men, unlike many couch dicks with "VO", but in the opposite direction they are fighting for their homeland - Ukraine. The same Akim, despite the fact that he is Greek by nationality ..
After all, Motherland, like Mother, is not chosen ..
After all, the Motherland, like Mother, is not betrayed ..

Quote: Kasym

SOURCE OF EVENTS IN UKRAINE NO PUTIN

Puten who else
At one time, when Kuchma introduced Yanyk as his successor, Lukashenko bluntly in the presence of Putin and Yanukovych said to Kuchma: "Why couldn't you find anyone in Ukraine except this criminal ?!"
As we know, the prisoner-president made a mess in Ukraine with his actions. Question to the GDP - "what the fuck .. did you support him ?!"
Recall that most Ukrainians voted for him, since he was perceived by Ukraine as a pro-Russian politician. And here feedback affected - the negative attitude towards Yanukovych was transferred to the Russian Federation, since he was considered a protege of the Kremlin.
I am sure that VV had the opportunity to block the candidacy of the "cap remover", since there were all the possibilities for this, and over all the years of his rule Kuchma showed that he was extremely sensitive to the "signals from the Kremlin." But Putin, who came from the 90s, understood and was close to Yanyk and what strings he could pull, keeping Ukraine under control ..
And by analogy with the World Cup 2014, he was characterized for Russia by the failure of their long-term leader, goalkeeper Akinfeev.
There he showed his truth level. Despite the fact that all the sports media in Russia, for many years, have claimed his goalkeeper status worldwide. In football, recall Maslachenko, the goalkeeper must cover the near corner. Why, I - to the fact that Puten had to keep the near zone - Ukraine, carefully and painstakingly building relations with the population of the fraternal country, and not relying on a person with a criminal type of thinking ..

[Semurg]

Salem Alibek. You can't refuse sarcasm. It's just that when the Russians write that the Ukrainians are fascists-Nazis it is customary, and when a Kazakh from Kazakhstan repeats it, it hurts the ear. My father fought in the Second World War and my father-in-law fought, and after the war he drank in the camps, but this is not an argument in a dispute over today's Ukraine. Kasym writes that KazSU studied I do not know how physics but communicated with the journalism department. After demobilization, they met them at Kazakhfilm, they dragged me to a pub, and there, having plucked up the "northern lights", they began to recite poetry in Kazakh with climbing on the table, I thought local beer lovers would beat us, but it turned out, on the contrary, a storm of applause and fraternization (and at 86 they were on the square ).

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Semurg

Salem Alibek. In sarcasm to you

Please contact "you". And then, somehow inconvenient. You are older than me ..

Quote: Kasym

I’ll try to enter from the other side - the Kazakh one. Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are brothers, the peoples closest to each other. Kazakhs, you know, in normal families, have a hierarchy where the supremacy of elders is recognized. And, as a rule, the head of the clan stands out. Ideally, this is the most adult and authoritative - older brother. And he takes on the role of a moderator, one of the main tasks of which is to resolve disputes, prevent a dispute and prevent conflicts.
By the way, the Russians adopted this from the nomads, in the form of "Yaroslavl series" - From the "Tale of Bygone Years" we read under 6562 - "..my sons: have your own love, you are not naturally brothers of the same father and mother; even if you are in love among yourself, God will be in you, and you will subdue the nasty ascent, and you will live peacefully; If you live hatefully, in strife and who is in trouble, then you will perish yourself and destroy the land of your fathers and your own, even with your great labor, but abide peacefully, listening to your brother. "
Before us is the dying "row" of the father, dividing his possessions between his sons with the commandment to peacefully keep this section, "do not betray the brother, nor drive her away." But what makes the most significant feature of the “series” is the desire to avoid the natural consequences of the partition: the breakup of the family union. Reminding sons that they are “brothers of one father and mother”
Russia, acting in the role of "older brother", managed to get into a fight with the Ukrainians and made them stay away from Belarusians. Apart from the definition - "idiots" I have no others ..
With Belarusians, the policy of "bend over with sag" - "Belkali". It is good that they have "Batko", which splendidly wriggled out of the prepared trap, but it seems that the fact itself does not delight the "young" .. Let us remember to the heap that when the Kremlin was dissatisfied with Alexander Grigorievich on NTV a whole cycle "Godfather" in 5 episodes. On Russia Today, a story was released under the headline "Cruel Luka", in which Lukashenka was directly called "the last dictator of Europe."
By the way, in Belarus on May 9, there was an unofficial decree banning "St. George's ribbons" ..
Yes, and Grigorievich himself, in this confrontation for some reason supports the "fascists" ..!?!
Well, the video ..

[Semurg]

On you so on you. Somewhere I agree on everything written by you. From a personal point of view, China was a "hidden dragon" for me, it is not clear what anyone wants, the USA was a bully who walks around the yard and builds everyone, the Russian Federation was seen as a patient who would recover and would try to call the bully to account (well, we will help him with this as much as we can). But it turned out that the Russian Federation recovered a bit and immediately became the same bully as the United States (horseradish radish is not sweeter). So I think it's time for the Republic of Kazakhstan to pump up its muscles and take a closer look at China (like the National Academy of Sciences started talking about strengthening defense capabilities and building defense enterprises and began to travel to China more often than to Moscow).

[Kasym]

Alibek, 18% of Kazakhs have one hapalogram (this is ginetics) with Russians. 42% Mong.yy .., 12% Caucasian, 5% Finno-Ugric, 2% Arabic, etc. .. We are carriers of all the known years .., incl. amer. Indians i.e. a common ancestor in the male line.
I agree with you, sovr. RF policy was not correct. Who denies it? I generally believed that there was no need to subsidize fraternal peoples. Yeltsin did a lot of mischief, it's not for nothing that the guys here spit on him. But we are just "outside observers", not participants. Therefore, we proceed and analyze what is.
Semurg, and what kind of reaction did you expect from Russia, SAFETY questions are raised ?! Munich's GDP said that NATO expansion is not acceptable! What year is this? It will be even worse if the Kiev authorities win. Where will the battalions of Kolomoisky and Yarosh Poroshenko send if the Yankees push? In Russia, what can happen is also understandable. The Limonovs will come out and how to plug their throats if they have a reason. GDP understands this. By the way, he has a lot of reasons to send troops: they kill Russians and Ukrainians (the United States is ready to use military force for = one citizen), journalists, using MLRS and specials. BP; thousands of refugees; shelling of territories. A bunch of reasons. But substantial assistance is not visible, otherwise the khan would have come to these authorities in Kiev. Do you really doubt-72 hours and the entire occupation of Ukraine?
Then, let's wait anyway. We cannot own all the information. Do you agree? So let's wait. At least, "there would be no happiness, so the misfortune helped," the sanctions opened up an opportunity for our agrarians - well, at least it grew. the market turned.

[Zymran]

Quote: Kasym

Alibek, 18% of Kazakhs have one hapalogram (this is kinetics) with Russians

This is not true. Haplogroups are not directly related to nationality. And by the way, the haplogroup R1a, which you call Russian, is most common among Tajiks and Kyrgyz and Pamiri, as well as among some groups of Indians.

As for uranium, Zymran cannot spend days on the Internet. I’ll answer tomorrow.

[Kasym]

AnAgA site, section peoples, Kazakhs. I am not a geneticist. But the fact that among us there are many people outwardly fewer than different, for example, from the Russians, the Mongols, etc. .. this is a fact. There is something about it. This is, as far as I know your topic.
Thanks for the answer. Zimran, advice - just look at what happened before the collapse of the USSR and now, as for uranium. Anatoly Tyurin. Big Uranus of Kazakhstan (1 and 2 parts).
Zymran, and please don't look for an "enemy" in me. I am ready for a normal question-answer discussion, and not in one gate, by filling in with questions and accusations.

[Semurg]

Quote: Zymran

As for uranium, Zymran cannot spend days on the Internet. I’ll answer tomorrow.

But I can’t sleep and the car will be repaired . I do not deny the Russian Federation, it may break into Ukraine, and maybe even how you write Kasym to get to Lviv in 72 hours, and then again the gulag and repressions will revive, and without them it will be difficult to break down partisanism and international isolation is understandable, and then that ruin and collapse (support on your own strength with tolls for everything), or let's rush around Washington? In general, we are still outside observers (but interested) and are watching an exciting action with heroes and antiheroes of which we ourselves choose from the characters, and here, apparently, Kasym and I have different heroes.

[Kasym]

Semurg, well, why turn everything around! Look at my old comments, where I 100% confidently explained that there would be no input. And he wrote, and argued that enough is economical. sanctions and to the edge of the matter will help with money. Not even a weapon that you can buy there. So why take the risk with the input, they themselves will figure it out. But now, if the west goes. help with weapons and people, I’m no longer sure that GDP will not respond in the same way.
From this, Zymran concluded that I was a supporter and "instigator" of war. Well, just how much you can repeat what will happen next; if Putin does not answer. Can't you see?
Semurg, you compared me with Toychibekov, I have no idea who he is. But your example with the bus (1986). Exactly the same asked ... Vasilenko, all of us "beloved". Honestly, I'm not cheating. Neither I, but mine with Marek, he caught.

[Semurg]

Quote: Kasym

Semurg, well, why turn everything around! Check out my old comments

Quote: Kasym

Do you really doubt-72 hours and the entire occupation of Ukraine?

Quote: Semurg

I do not deny the Russian Federation may break into Ukraine and maybe even how do you write Kasym to reach Lviv in 72 hours

Quote: Kasym

Semurg, you compared me with Toychibekov, I have no idea who he is. But your example with the bus (1986). Exactly the same asked ... Vasilenko, all of us "beloved". Honestly, I'm not cheating. Neither I, but mine with Marek, he caught.

Toychibekov has surfaced recently as a person offering to enter the Republic of Kazakhstan into the Russian Federation on the basis of autonomy and collecting money for a sniper for Kolomoisky (I don’t know where the committee members are looking here and a call for a review of the status of the Republic of Kazakhstan and a call for the murder of a foreigner and collecting money for this). The division of the bus into sites was something to deny, and the Kazakhs in the square were washed it was not invented by Vasilenko. I don’t know your social circle, but after those events, at all toys, commemorations, etc., the youth were told in plain text to go and cling by hook or by hook to the capital, so that there would be no repetition of the "mascara" they opened the Kazakh language and began to give residence permit to Kazakhs in Almaty, at least to a limited extent.

[Kasym]

Good evening, Semurg! Now I understand what kind of Toychibekov. He would have been sitting quietly, why is he promoting it so much. This took place during the Soviet Union, and waited for solutions to issues over several years (why?). I think how much they themselves earned, and distributed it (it’s necessary for a neighbor, for example, to help Kyrgyzstan; they decided without harm to themselves, it’s not fair when someone disposes of it except us). And so, only delay development. I do not agree.
Semurg, so I myself went on these buses every day. I say, as soon as a couple of times "the herrings were together in a full barrel", everything went away. Because the Russians did not fight the Kazakhs. Semurg, think for yourself how you can make a revolution in a day. No organization, no command. Therefore, anyone who starts talking about some kind of organization and "beautiful slogans" of the revolution, then this is, to put it mildly, not so. Everything is spontaneous and spontaneous. This is not Maidan, where there was funding, organization (tents, food, etc.), some commanders. Then, we must understand that this is the USSR with all its orders. Yes, if someone raised a "counter-location" poster and slogan, they would instantly "tied up and in jail" (I mean the initial stage). What was unexpected for the Polyburo of the CPSU and the modern USSR? The fact that ordinary people with fists, sticks, stones fought back. And in the beginning, cops and vigilantes got a lot. It was something new and unexpected. So, the fact that "the Kazakhs got there in the head" is not scary. THE MAIN THING WAS SHOWN THE POWER AND SPIRIT OF THE PEOPLE. IF WE ARE RIGHT, THERE IS A LOT OF GO AND I MUST BE COUNTED WITH IT. THEY WERE BANALLY SCARED THAT SIMPLE, UNAUTHORIZED PEOPLE CAN GO WITHOUT FEAR ON THE SILOVIKOV. That was the VICTORY.
In Alma-Ata, he knew only school No. 12 (DOSavskaya school) with Kazakh language. and RFMSh from grades 8 to 10 (4 grades in each A, B, C, D). They were still in the suburbs. Of course, it was not that excesses - it was a shame. Also children. the gardens. That's also why Toychibekov is wrong.

[Semurg]

Good evening. I did not write that the Russians fought with the Kazakhs, the Kazakhs fought with the cops, centuries, specialists. A crack in the other Kazakhs, mostly nonresident students, came out to the square protesting against the appointment of the "Varangian" Kolbin, and the Russians in Almaty did not care, they were just stupid against any Kazakh movements, and since they were the majority of the population of Almaty 80%, the troops of the Internal Troops and Special Forces broke the Kazakhs on the square and then took the student dorms by storm. If at the time Almaty was now 60% Kazakh, this would not have been (if not in the know, 5 cotton-growing regions under the USSR were transferred to Uzbekistan and there was a massacre there from Tashkent there 15 km and from other regions of Uzbekistan they caught up with a bunch of explosives, cops, spetsura but still could not suppress, as there were 80% of Kazakhs and had to return these areas to Kazakhstan). Well, the main thing is that you do not want to change the status and borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan under any sauce, this is the most important thing, but the fact that we see the situation in Ukraine differently and who is to blame for this is not important, for that we are living people so that opinions do not always coincide ... So that there is no shame with Kazakh schools in the capital, famines, Karlags, not our wars, Kazakhstan should remain sovereign, and not repeat the mistakes of our khans-biys with the exchange of sovereignty for imaginary security, which can simply destroy the Kazakhs as an independent people.

[adok]

Salam dos! here you hit the mark (sorry for my English, so closer). we were watered from the cradle (and the Russian Federation is still being watered) of a ton of propaganda about the treacherous attack of the Nazis. without delving into this complex topic, we can obviously say that the word fascism and fascists in the views of most of our former and current compatriots have become synonymous with cruel, vile, treacherous people, the perpetrators of the death of our grandfathers. and in the views of some peoples also Russo and Slavophobes. Naturally now, when state propaganda stigmatizes a certain people with the word fascists, everyone automatically estimates the above-described category of people. Georgians are fascists! Ukrainians are fascists! in 1986, Kazakhs are Nazis!

I am sure that many countries the neighbors of the Russian Federation would like to be friends with such a country - a huge, large market, great opportunities. but the RF historically has no friends. there are enemies, vassals, there are minions of the west, there are Russophobes. but no brothers, friends.

[Kasym]

Alibek, I'm sorry I don’t know how old you are, but then you have to disassemble from the time of the collapse of the USSR. In which the great role was played by the hands of Ukraine. And then Kravchuk quirked quite a few. I myself was last summer in Ukraine and have contacts there. The most sensible was called Kuchma. Yushchenko, too, has done a lot of business - they do not respect him at all.
Semurg, you go far. Where did I write that all Ukrainians are Nazi-Nazis? Where??? These 3-5% of all and muddy the water, i.e. being dolls. And the whole kitchen is run overseas. I wrote several times. So do not distort!
What turns out. Zmran, not knowing the topic, wrote nonsense. I corrected and explained. Further, his link, designed for the layman (I gave an example in Angarsk with the Japanese and showed that it was bullshit), and filled up with accusations, leaving the discussion. He did not answer anything. You are connected. And the same thing, unanswered charges and all that. It turns out how ... that Psaki speaks, and what she says cannot explain.
You yourself write about the pub and how everything went the way - I say that interec. there was no showdown. Propaganda began that the Kazakhs are separatists, nationalists. But after a month. everything was nullified, only because there wasn’t anything Kazakhs were talking about and blaming. And the difference between the performance on the New Square in Almaty and the Maidan is like heaven and earth.
FMPM - Faculty of Mechanics and Applied Mathematics.

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: Kasym

About the agriculture of Kazakhstan. Only last year, the government began to prepare a targeted program for the development of villages. households RK. So it is not surprising that the situation is awful, the state "hammered" on our villages and auls. I think now it will at least move - the day before yesterday the National Academy of Sciences fired the Akim (Governor) of the Alma-Ata Region. for this. But judge for yourself. Get meat from South America. It must be brought in, cleared through customs. And we have to take one spit, but there is no customs. It is one thing to "fence" a vegetable garden for 17 mil. people, the other for 170 million people. The vehicle makes it possible to fully raise the village. households - a sales market appeared. For the same apples. Same. There is where to sell - please ?! My own uncle has a garden, so I know what this is about. Previously, the apples of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation were pure contraband. "I am thinking of renting a truck with my neighbor in Russia too, we'll see." "To work with a retail network, large volumes are needed, and this requires" centers "for the consolidation of these food products (because we have small wholesale lots from peasants), so we need the help of the state." - Deputy of the State. Duma. This is what the authorities of Kazakhstan need to work on. I emphasize again. If there is a sales market, then this is half the battle. Or does someone think that our peasants do not want to drive good cars and live in good houses? The authorities need to do everything so that our peasants are a priority, they will not rust, just help a little.

That’s what the fellow countryman is talking about, it’s time to raise agriculture with the help of the state.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: VICTOR-61

To drive these uzbeks

Drive-drive))
otherwise it will turn out like with the Cossacks of Ermak, 200 years ago they came in large numbers, so until now they haven’t returned to Vaterland. Yes, and even grandfather's checkers sharpen in the evenings .. maybe the Uzbeks have hidden somewhere the thread of the Basmachi Kara-multuk

Quote: VICTOR-61

From Russia

Vitek is Uzbek, maybe Uzbeks are pulling in Russia to the homeland of their ancestors - in Siberia and the Urals there was an Uzbek state with its capital in Tyumen ..

Quote: Cossack Ermak

Where in Russia were slave markets?

History textbook to help, well, or Google. Serfdom is, slavery in its purest form. But if, for example, blacks were the slaves of the "gringos" so beloved by Russians, then the Russians had people of the same language, faith and nationality with them ..
And from the "indulgences" one can recall the decree of Catherine II on the ban on the sale and purchase of serfs in newspapers. The "enlightened" empress was very uncomfortable in front of Oyropa. And by the way, the origins of Ukrainians' dislike for the Great Russians are related to the fact that they were enslaved in the Russian Empire, i.e. turned into slaves. This especially applies to the already mentioned Catherine II. The position of the "German" was precarious and she bought loyalty by distributing serfs to the nobility. Since their number was limited, they had to enslave those freed from the "master's oppression" ..

Quote: iung

A social explosion will occur very quickly.

And this social explosion thrown out from Russia by migrant workers will be directed at the Russians living there ..

[megapatriot]

and to bombard Uzbekistan with vigorous bombs so that there is nowhere to build American bases

[Kasym]

Thank you, Kazak Ermak, for the kind words, but such half-Alma-Ata.
So that someone does not think, but I want to speak out about Ukraine (otherwise, I will definitely be sent to Putin's recruits by "local fellow countrymen", as they once called a state. Stavlenik and paid something like that).
There will be no entry - otherwise there will be relations between Russians and Ukrainians, as the Poles have with the Russians. On the other hand, it is impossible to place RU into NATO hands. All that remains is to "conquer" Ukraine from the inside and Poroshenko, without realizing it, "played along" with the GDP (God forbid, think that all this was organized by the GDP - I don't want to prove it now). The army has been created. How will events happen next?
1. Losing the East. The economy is in ruins, power will pass to those who have the power and money - these are PSs and mercenaries of Kolomoisky and others. We need a new goal, the economy is militarized - Transnistria, Crimea (which immediately comes to mind). And here and there the Russians. Again a blow to the RF. And what about the RF? GDP is not able to stop all the new Limonovs, popularity for the "betrayal" of the East at 0. The popularity of national. will gain momentum quickly - the LDPR will show flowers. Well, further describe, even imagine, creepy. Ukraine is an example of this. For the Republic of Kazakhstan, this is twice as bad. I can't even think further. Neither from the north, so the United States from the south of the Taliban fighters, etc. will send to us, the closest ally of the Russian Federation, because Ukraine has surrendered, why would you harness for the Kazakhs? The State Department will act there without any brakes.
2. Winning of the East throughout Ukraine. There are no PSs, well, etc .. The Russian Federation will show everyone what will happen if you get into "its territory of SECURITY interests." The Republic of Kazakhstan can breathe, the Limonovs can rest, the Nazis too, otherwise they will blow their heads off after Ukraine.
3. Winning the East on its territory. Everything will freeze here. EAEU is not profitable, beneficial to the West. Anyway.
Guys, THIS IS MY ANALYSIS OR FORECAST, NOT WISHES !!! So decide what the GDP will do. But this is only an analysis of what everyone knows. But there is something that we are not given to know. And here then there are many unknown factors. Therefore, proceed from what will happen.

[Kasym]

By 3) Even the likelihood of escalation in Central Asia will only increase, p.ch. RF on RU problems up to the neck.
Here is another interesting fact - Poroshenko is eating in Minsk. What for? Gingerbread cookies are definitely not waiting for him! I think that the question of money and winter is actually resolving the question of its future. And that's why. In Ukraine, his affairs are not AH. Kolomoisky with his mercenaries, Yarosh with his PS, winter, war and a destroyed economy. Prospect Zero. Remember IMF loan statements. There was a condition that they would allocate money if Ukraine was ONE (with the East; few remember that). That is, the IMF has a thousand and one reasons not to give. A half-billion supply from Merkel’s side is just chickens to laugh. One debt for gas 5 watermelons. China grain and old loans. And what to do Poroshenko? GDP based on 3 scenarios above, what will it do? Certainly not to go to Ukraine - otherwise everyone in the Russian Federation will write off, incl. bombed Donbass. It seems logical. Therefore, I think (and RK is profitable) GDP will set ultimatums that run counter to the State Department’s policy — don’t go to the grandmother. And play 2) the script. For this, it is enough, for example, to threaten to shut off gas completely in October, all transit. Demand repayment of debt for gas. In a word, crush so that little seems. Cut off from any financial flows, otherwise PSy and Kolom. all will be tidied up for war.
But if Poroshenko suddenly does not eat, it means he was given guarantees for grandmothers. Remember, at the parade, he announced 40 billion hryvnias for the army. To fulfill, it is necessary to let part of the trenches into war. This is clear. But here's where to get it, no fools in the EU Themselves suffered from sanctions. The recession has begun, they will find excuse.

[Pro100Igor]

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[Humpty]

You can’t even imagine how much the topic is. The tradition of the Uzbek village - all things in one ditch.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

They are embracing Russia systematically .. Oh, the Uzbeks you shouldn’t let them in to yourself! No matter how you regret it later!

[MBA78]

In 2005 they already regretted ... probably this is not enough!

[svp67]

American base in Uzbekistan?

and who wonders what. Glory to the CPSU

[DVxa]

Uzbekistan has always consistently opposed the creation of any supranational institutions within the framework of the CIS that could at least somehow limit its sovereignty.

The deployment of a military contingent of an outside state on its territory is already a loss of sovereignty ..

[Penzuck]

Russian base in Belarus, Armenia? Have we occupied these countries? Not! So where does sovereignty come from? And what about the NATO base in Ulyanovsk? We lost our
sovereignty? I doubt it. So why not cut grandmothers from Amer (better products) if you are not in union with them? Also, look at the map, what is the electronic intelligence interception zone? In any case, there is already an interception in Georgia, so the goal is not the Caucasus, but Kazakhstan and Siberia? So there were bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and the base in northern Afghanistan is worse than the Uzbek +/- 100 km?

[sanja.grw]

So We will restore electronic electronics in Cuba

[Imperialkolorad]

Our smaller friends always only look to whom it would be more profitable to sell.

[Siberian]

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Our smaller friends always only look to whom it would be more profitable to sell.

do not think in your own categories ... A little article for dibilov - Uzbekistan cooperates primarily with China and then with the rest, and Americans are not profitable for China in this region ...

[slizhov]

they only know how to sit on Russia’s neck, as Ukraine did, which fell apart into many fragments.

[brisk]

Quote: slizhov

slizhov Today, 07:45
as Ukraine did, which fell apart into many fragments.

Yes, I would not say that it fell apart. Especially for many fragments. At least for now. I live in Ukraine myself. Hryvnia walks, transport walks, people go to work. Banks work, money is transferred to cards, ATMs all work. As it was a year and five and ten years ago. The idea of ​​collapse is by no means obsessed. I’m trying to see when the yellow-blue flags become less on the cars, but it seems, as luck would have it, even more. This is despite the fact that prices are rising and the hryvnia is falling! (not so, however, quickly and a lot, but rather stably moderately). And this, mind you, is not Kiev, not Poltava, not Ternopil, but Zaporozhye. Those. the most-southeast. New Russia!

[Grbear]

brisk-y
I live in Ukraine myself. Hryvnia walks, transport walks, people go to work. Banks work, money is transferred to cards, ATMs all work. As it was a year and five and ten years ago.

You are strange people. In economics, there is a concept - a time lag, when time passes between two events and the latency of the process - a latent flow (the groundhog is not visible ...). Certain funds are spent to maintain the appearance of well-being, but they do not create material values, i.e. money down the drain, a loan at interest. BUT debts to the IMF have an "amazing" property - to accumulate exponentially, and until you pay off the interest on the previous tranche, you will not receive a new one. And then a double thrust - the acceleration of domestic inflation (printing of unsecured money) and, continuing to grow, external debt. You don't have to be an oracle or mathematician to see the result.

This new life cannot be appointed since Monday, and default - easily. For the population, it will be a surprise (we passed), because you still do not have official data for the 2nd quarter and data for June. Those who steer, they know, but they will not dare to open this data, even in sleek form.

The junta can no longer count on the restoration of Lugansk and Donetsk, as industrial zones - for political and economic reasons. And this was the source of the currency. The military-industrial complex focused on the Russian market "telepaths" due to military actions (and not all enterprises). Look - again, a double thrust: there are no receipts due to the war, and resources go to support it.

You can blame Russia for the search for the guilty (someone should be), but you have to get out yourself. With or without flags, you will have to work and show the Russian character (Polish, near-Baltic and Greek will not cope).
Good luck.

[brisk]

Quote: GrBear

but have to climb out themselves. With or without flags

Yes, that's right. Not flags should be demonstrated, but silently work and create a useful product. And hanging flags and demonstrating this is most likely just a narrow-minded mind and lack of culture. Shouting "Glory to Ukraine!" stupid and pointless exercise. We do not need to shout "Glory!" To ourselves. If you praise yourself, then there is no value in it. When others praise, then yes, it is valuable praise. Because it really will be for real achievement. 100% correct. I noticed that those who have at least some business of their own are especially zealous against Russia and unifying ideas (Ukraine + Russia) here in the southeast. There is a trading place on the market and is already resolutely opposed to Russia and any reunification attempts. This is a bit of a mystery to me. Is there a private business in Russia? Yes, it seems to be. And the turnover is not worse? Probably tell me which is better. Then what is the matter is not clear. The EU is yes, the US is yes, and Russia is not. These "businessmen" (mostly buy-sell traders) are the most zealous flag-hookers and russophobes. Although in Russia, I heard, the laws for small and medium private owners are much less favorable than for the same in Ukraine. Someone, I think I heard from Russian statesmen, called three months ago an omission that the representatives of the Russian authorities did not create in Ukraine over the past many years a number of supporters of Russia from small and medium-sized entrepreneurs.

[Buran]

The simplest way to remind Karimov of his place is to send all the Uzbeks home. This is not Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, we won’t have a big loss.

[Siberian]

Quote: Buran

This is not Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, we won’t have a big loss.

I didn't catch up a little ... That's just the point of the consequences of the destabilization of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, there are almost no consequences. But if Uzbekistan "explodes" the consequences will be, to put it mildly, "significant"

[mamont5]

"Economically, Uzbekistan is still strongly dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and the main labor market for guest workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1/5 of GDP."

To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.

[Bquunited]

Laughing however !!!

[iung]

A social explosion will occur very quickly.

[Penzuck]

Quote: mamont5

Laughing however !!!

Quote: mamont5

To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.

I answer both: 1. will not bend but will slow down the development of years at 5-10.
2. Nothing funny.
3.

Quote: mamont5

A social explosion will occur very quickly.

budget crisis again 3-4 years and anti-government fermentation, 5-10 years = igil. and get another abscess.

[iung]

You clearly do not understand the specifics of life in Uzbekistan. There is a very serious struggle with the radicals, and for them social problems are like manna from heaven to attract new adherents to their ranks. Imagine how many families literally survive due to the fact that relatives work in Russia.

[Loner_53]

Gaster? Yes. Uzbek? Yes. VON FROM RUSSIA!
GLORY TO RUSSIA!!!

[Siberian]

Quote: Loner_53

Gaster? Yes. Uzbek? Yes. VON FROM RUSSIA!

Yes, that's exactly what you need if you need F ... PA on the southern borders,

[Bquunited]

Forgot to say HEROES OF GLORY !!

and who are you after that?

[Loner_53]

YES, RUSSIAN HEROES OF GLORY !!!
Are you against it?
GLORY TO RUSSIA!
usa must be destroyed! The opinion is, put the base of the United States? Blow in the United States Gaster. On the capital transferred from RUSSIA, the economy of Uzbekistan is a very powerful help. And the base of the usa?

[A1L9E4K9S]

Present an ultimatum to Karimov, when organizing an American military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, we expel all Uzbek migrant workers outside Russia, close the border for the supply of goods from Uzbekistan, otherwise he rolled out sponges to occupy the vacant niche instead of Western countries, let him live in Russia to supply fruit and vegetables on American handouts.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: A1L9E4K9S

Present an ultimatum to Karimov, when organizing an American military base on the territory of Uzbekistan, we expel all Uzbek migrant workers outside Russia, close the border for the supply of goods from Uzbekistan, otherwise he rolled out sponges to occupy the vacant niche instead of Western countries, let him live in Russia to supply fruit and vegetables on American handouts.

And so it will be! Enough to milk Russia and spit in our faces ... We are a self-sufficient country and we have already proved it to the world more than once! We don’t want to be friends, we’ll fight (economically politically .. well, militarily I’ll say nothing better ..)

[saag]

Quote: MIKHAN

We are a self-sufficient country

This USSR was a more or less self-sufficient country, forcibly, this does not apply to Russia

[Drunya]

MOSCOW, Aug 23 - RIA News.
The data security of at least 25 US government employees was threatened after a cyber attack on the United States Investigation Services (USIS) company, which checks the personal data of employees of the US Department of Homeland Security, Reuters reported on Saturday night, citing a representative of the agency.
Work at the computer. Archive photo
© Fotolia / Sven Grundmann
Chinese hackers steal personal data of 4,5 million patients in the United States
The fact of a cyber attack became known at the beginning of the month. Reportedly, information about a perfect attack forced the Department of Homeland Security to suspend cooperation with USIS. There are indications that the attack was sponsored by a foreign state.
A ministry spokesman said employees whose data may have been stolen will receive notifications in the coming days. "We will release more information in the coming weeks as soon as we learn the details of the cyberattack," an unnamed source told the agency.
Earlier, the American edition of the New York Times, citing its sources, reported that in March of this year, Chinese hackers broke into the network of US government agencies, which stored data on tens of thousands of employees. Earlier, an American cyber defense company, Crowdstrike, accused the Chinese military of carrying out hacker attacks aimed at infiltrating US satellite and aerospace programs.
The United States has repeatedly called China and Russia countries with major cyber threats. China, in turn, has repeatedly denied any involvement in any form of illegal cyber activity and has claimed American cyber activity on the Chinese Internet.


RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140823/1021089564.html#ixzz3BBe9nmfF

[VNP1958PVN]

East business muddy-all your life and yours and ours!

[mig31]

If this happens, then the given state will order its citizens to live long, and will self-destruct as Ukraine ...

[MBA78]

the striped hyenas are sickened with their nasal smiles ... it's time to send them to hell

[brisk]

There were relatives for the Uzbeks ... How many amers' bases do the Latinos have now? In addition to Guantanamo, where they have planted their ass and have been sitting since 1959 and do not think to get off, no matter how much they say to them - "... yes, have a conscience, this is our land ...", something is not heard more about the bases of i_ndosia in Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay ... Yes, and from Panama, it seems, they were finally kicked out, although the Panamanians' channel was very seductive for their fleet ... So the task is specific for Russia - it must be explained intelligibly and clearly to the Uzbek comrades that such are the friends of the gringo. Or maybe the people there don't know.

[Starmos]

Lord! But when, finally, RUSSIAN PEOPLE WAKE UP ??? Do we all have a dream of reason? Are they surrounding us? .. Have they already surrounded us? .. They will continue to surround us, because they DO NOT RESPECT !!! Both the West and the so-called "world community" respect only strength. And what kind of force can we talk about in relation to a country in which the "guarantor of the Constitution" protects the interests of the oligarchic-pro-Western liberal stratum, whose homeland's security is on the drum, and whose interests are aimed exclusively at plundering resources and stuffing their own pockets? Only that country is strong in which the people and the authorities are united in their striving to build a truly socially oriented state of law. Based on the principles of social justice, completely owning ALL resources and means, having the IDEOLOGY of the Russian World and relying on a single popular support - such a state will INSERT. And anyone will be careful to surround him. And not to respect, or, even more so - to threaten, no one dares. For it will come out "more expensive".
Only fools can not see and understand this. And only enemies and traitors - dispute such obvious truths ...

[Shep]

Quote: mamont5

"Economically, Uzbekistan is still strongly dependent on the Russian Federation, which is a major investor and the main labor market for guest workers, whose remittances, according to some estimates, provide up to 1/5 of GDP."

To expel all Uzbek guest workers from Russia and the economy of Uzbekistan will be bent.

Have you been in Uzbekistan for a long time? Do you think the Stone Age is here? We already have a state program for returning and providing jobs to people who have left to work in the Russian Federation.
And at the expense of the base, we’ll see what happens. If it’s possible to drive out these amers at any time. As it was in 2005.
And why should Uzbekistan promote the interests of the Russian Federation? or China and Amer? We will be the best to keep in line at our place and think only about the interest of Uzbekistan :)

[iung]

What new have you got? Tashkent rebuilt? But what about cities like Ahangaran and Navoi? if everything is so rosy, then why is the crowd of your compatriots inundating our borders? how are things with aviation TAPOICH already buried?

[MBA78]

with aviation in any way ... very sorry

[iung]

Whenever I see a 76th heart bleeds ...

[Bquunited]

Ahangaran lives and flourishes. Angren and Navoi special industrial zones. Have you been to Navoi ??? Recommend. Beautiful, clean city!

TAPOICH is not our fault. UAC made offers that we refused. And that’s all. It's a pity of course, but ... it's life. Not agreed and that's it!

We produce cars and tractors, collect trucks and combines, mobile phones, household appliances, metallurgy works. The AMMC and NMMC are thriving. 8 million tons of grain were harvested this year, 3 million tons of cotton. The only production of liquid hydrocarbons has fallen dramatically. That's all.

[iung]

I'd love to believe in it ...

[Federal]

All promises in vain, all agreements, too, and why we need to reckon with them and pretend that nothing is happening. Arm and only arm! Because they understand only the power that opposes them.

[VD chauvinist]

Chasing is too easy and too stupid. With demographics they are all right. There are many young people. And imagine - bam, and everyone from Russia - out. And then immediately Alqaids, Taliban, etc ... Do we need this? WE SHOULD turn things so that for their elite such "sniffing" with democrats from across the ocean is EXTREMELY unprofitable. Our guys are big-headed, they will find where to press and what to pinch.
PySy. Karimov is a man of age. A change of leader is expected there. Would not oversleep.

[thinker]

This topic has already been discussed here. The states have great desires, but it is unlikely that this will happen with this base. UzMetronom works similarly with Echo of Moscow. And, most likely, with the money of the same states.
Karimov has just returned from China:

The President of Uzbekistan noted that during the negotiations in Beijing, more than twenty documents were signed regarding projects worth a total of 5,2 billion US dollars, as well as trade agreements worth 800 million dollars. The total amount of agreements amounted to 6 billion dollars.
The two heads of state discussed the development of the SCO, agreed to strengthen communication, interaction and cooperation, to contribute to an even greater number of significant steps in the cooperation of the SCO in the economy and security.

The Chinese national oil and gas corporation CNPC and NHC Uzbekneftegaz will create a joint company to build and subsequently operate the D gas pipeline, which will run along the route Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan-China. This was reported by Xinhua News Agency.
The capacity of the new gas pipeline will be 85 billion cubic meters, which will make this route “the largest gas transportation system in Central Asia,” the CNPC report says. The parties also announced their intention to build an enterprise for the production of polyethylene and liquefied gas with the subsequent delivery of finished products to the markets of Central Asian countries.

So do not get angry at this stuffing!

[MBA78]

people claim that there will be no base

[cerbuk6155]

Uzbekistan must adhere to its policy line and develop cooperation with both Russia and China, and they haven’t brought happiness to the Americas to any country, and Uzbekistan will probably agree about American bases, but to find a strategic ally for Uzbekistan that will not abandon it, this is task number 1 for him.

[fzr1000]

You have them at the door, they climb out the window. Amerians, however.

[MBA78]

and then a cracker will not help ...

[Cossack Ermak]

Introduce a ban on labor migration from Uzbekistan. Limit the import of goods. I know Uzbeks, they can only be explained to them at the level of money.

[Bquunited]

You don’t know!

[Bquunited]

Oh ho ho, how many pseudo-patriots of Russia gathered here, and also very educated and logically minded.

In short, all smart chauvinists!

1. Uzbekistan is an independent country. He wants a military base in the USA, Russia, or China, he will set up for himself! He doesn’t want, he won’t deliver! And this is up to you. Here are the Russian bases in Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Belarus! and what, are they nits? or not sovereign ???? or is only the one who’s a puddle under Russia ??? You don’t recognize them anyway! One HACHIKOM another GASTER call.
2. Uzbekistan does not live for free. Russian companies investing in Uzbekistan are not humanitarian organizations. LUKOIL's gas project is already in the black. So do not breed demagoguery about our addiction. And do not ascribe about 1/5 of GDP to transfers. This is to the Tajiks and the Kyrgyz. But certainly not for us. The country's GDP is 54 billion dollars. What do you think 10 billion workers send ????
3. Uzbekistan always tries to maintain a balance between giants (USA, EU, RF, and China), taking into account purely national interests. The fate of many small countries.
4.Uzbekistan left the Collective Security Treaty Organization after the events in the Republic of Kazakhstan, when the fucking Kyrgyz scumbags, with the support of law enforcement agencies, killed and robbed the Uzbeks, who have long lived in the south of the Republic of Kazakhstan. More than 2000 Uzbeks were killed and God knows how many injured. None of the CSTO members made a sound or threatened the Kyrgyz with sanctions, thereby revealing their true identity. Only the RKZ has expressed concern. Most likely, they wanted to drag us into a regional war !? God knows how it would end. How then to bend down under the others.
5. Uzbekistan is ready to be friends with everyone on mutually beneficial terms.
6. 400 citizens of Uzbekistan gave their lives defending the USSR and liberating the occupied lands of the Slavs. Sheltered hundreds of thousands of refugees. Last shared. Result; grandchildren and children of one name-calling children and grandchildren of others black and gasturbiteri.
7. Want to kick out! You are welcome! A holy place does not exist. The Chinese will come, who are already full in Russia, who, unlike the Uzbeks, have territorial claims (SIBERIA). 20-30 years old. Goodbye SIBERIA.

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: bqunited

1. Uzbekistan is an independent country. He wants a military base in the USA, Russia, or China, he will set up for himself! He doesn’t want, he won’t deliver! And this is up to you. Here are the Russian bases in Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Belarus! and what, are they nits? or not sovereign ???? or is only the one who’s a puddle under Russia ??? You don’t recognize them anyway! One HACHIKOM another GASTER call.

Russia is also an independent country. And if the decision to create an American base to the detriment of Russia is made, then you need to answer 10 times more asymmetrically. We’ll be more pragmatic.

Quote: bqunited

2. Uzbekistan does not live for free. Russian companies investing in Uzbekistan are not humanitarian organizations. LUKOIL's gas project is already in the black. So do not breed demagoguery about our addiction. And do not ascribe about 1/5 of GDP to transfers. This is to the Tajiks and the Kyrgyz. But certainly not for us. The country's GDP is 54 billion dollars. What do you think 10 billion workers send ????

I think it’s enough to apply a ban on the entry of migrants to Russia from Uzbekistan to export goods from there, in order to understand where Uzbekistan’s GDP comes from.

Quote: bqunited

3. Uzbekistan always tries to maintain a balance between giants (USA, EU, RF, and China), taking into account purely national interests. The fate of many small countries.

We absolutely want to support Uzbekistan’s desire to maintain a balance with the United States to the detriment of Russia. These are direct unfriendly actions towards Russia.

Quote: bqunited

6. 400 citizens of Uzbekistan gave their lives defending the USSR and liberating the occupied lands of the Slavs. Sheltered hundreds of thousands of refugees. Last shared. Result; grandchildren and children of one name-calling children and grandchildren of others black and gasturbiteri.

I have many friends and relatives who lived in the Uzbek SSR and abandoned everything and barely saved themselves when their neighbors who once Last shared

Quote: bqunited

7. Want to kick out! You are welcome! A holy place does not exist. The Chinese will come, who are already full in Russia, who, unlike the Uzbeks, have territorial claims (SIBERIA). 20-30 years old. Goodbye SIBERIA.

Well, the last you expressed your true attitude towards Russia. And then the question: Why do you want us with such wishes?

[Bquunited]

Cossack - change the flag!

1. Please. at least 100 times.
2. Reducing GDP by 10-20%, not scary. Greetings to the Russian textile industry and consumer wallets.
3. The answer is dumb. When Russia gives money for the construction of a hydroelectric station in the Republic of Kazakhstan, to the detriment of the Republic of Uzbekistan !! It's good. And what can 1500 gringos threaten Russia with ??
4. In Uzbekistan, the carrying of any type of weapon, including cold, is punishable by law. And the fact that they came with weapons in their hands is complete nonsense. Such tales are a dime a dozen. Hysteria was in all countries. all ran somewhere. On us, as in Russia, they do not kill for the light of skin and nationality. WE HAVE NO SKINHADS, NO, AND WILL NOT.
5. What did I say? What is your attitude to Russia? Chinese threat !! This is not my idea! there is such a risk since the 50s.

Cossack - you need to think wider. It is necessary to be able to analyze the Old. Draw conclusions based on logic. And you think like a crowd of ignoramuses. THEY ARE US AS SO WE ARE THERE SO !! METRONOM American project. Like FERGANA or CENTRAZ! Well, if these resources are interesting, then your brain was fucked by the CIA !! With what I congratulate you. You deserve it!

[Cossack Ermak]

I have nothing to change the flag. My ancestors have been living here for almost 200 years.

don't exaggerate about the 4th point. In 91, my distant relatives left a huge house after the "neighbors" came to them.

[Bquunited]

Then you are not spiritually connected with this flag! You are spiritually closer to Tricolor!

[KBR109]

Do not distort my dear! Uzbeks died in the Second World War 117900. That's it. And "don't leave the Russians, we need slaves" we still remember!

[Bquunited]

KBR - in the center of Tashkent there is a monument in which the names of all who died during the Second World War are inscribed.

"Don't leave the Russians, we need slaves" - this, being a republic of Uzbekistan, did not see or hear.

[fzr1000]

Uzbeks are somewhere in the second or third place among migrant workers after Tajiks in the Russian Federation. It is a fact. How many send home - is unknown, and it does not matter. What they have earned is sent. Regarding the independence of Uzbekistan, this is a glimpse, but the US base in a country with an unstable future (Karimov is ill) is an accelerated path to the Maidan.

[1536]

The Uzbeks, together with their "Chaikhana No. 1", will fly from Moscow after McDonald's directly to this American base.

[MBA78]

Yes, we don’t need such a fuck here ...

[RusDV]

Uzbeks living in Russia have nothing to do with it. And people living in Uzbekistan also do not make decisions. The Uzbek government, if it spits on Russia's interests in favor of the pin.dosovskys, pays ...... And this billion may then not be enough to completely flee the country. And from other Uzbeks who suddenly get tired of the government and need to change it ..... You don’t need to go to the fortuneteller .... it will be so .....

[Aandrewsir]

Are Uzbeks ready to sell for $ 1 billion and approving pat on the shoulder by Uncle Sam? Sad if so ...

[de_monSher]

Eh, people, people ... *)) What don't you tell you, don't try to explain - it doesn't matter how peas are against a wall ... *))) stupidly and stubbornly ready to bend their own ... I'm not talking about that big enough the percentage of normal and sober people I say. And I'm talking about the increased mass of couch "Anal-itegs" and "Eneralov" ... *)) You read their "cerebral" miscarriages, dressed in semi-literate texts and you firmly understand - you can still knock out stupidity with a strap ... in childhood .. dullness - you can't pick it out with a hot iron, at any age ... *)))

Dudes who are "Anal-itegi", or rather, - especially for the one who vyaknul something, a little higher than me - for your information, Uzbekistan is the only state in the CIS, which did not let in its territory "McDonald's" ... *) And the only state in the CIS, which, with an ultimatum, kicked in the ass, kicked out the US contingent from its territory in 2005. The first state in the CIS, which back in the late 90s, kicked out all sorts of USAIDs and other sabotage organizations of the United States from its territory ... *)) Russia at that time was making big eyes, ooh and ahala, it’s not democratic by type. .. *)

For everyone else ... "Anal"s. Russia has one official union state - Belarus. And, funny of course, one official ally = Allied agreement of November 2005 = - Uzbekistan ... *)) Under this agreement, in the event of hostilities against Russia, Uzbekistan is obliged to provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia ... *)

I don’t ... I understand, I understand - you don’t need allies, good neighbors ... *))) You only need to water shit: that the official Union State is Belarus, that the official ally is Uzbekistan. Well, if you don’t water, then hang your ears and catch everything that pours on them without losing a trickle of stink or a gram of dung ... *)))) Nude, nude ... funny you guys - continue in the same vein ... *)))

[Bquunited]

EXACTLY!!!!

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

And, of course, one official ally = an allied treaty of November 2005 = - Uzbekistan ... *)) Under this treaty, in case of hostilities against Russia, Uzbekistan is obliged

provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia

... *)

Funny of course, correct me where I will be wrong. How will Uzbekistan provide

provide all-round military and logistical assistance to Russia

in the event that the US enemy’s base is created on its territory and the latter uses hostile actions against us.

[Bquunited]

Cossack - if there is a war then you will see what kind of help there will be.

What a base! Here you are dumb! there is no base and never will be! And if there is a base and the USA will fight with the Russian Federation, they will stupidly set up a gringo!

[Cossack Ermak]

I am not a Cossack, I am a Cossack. A descendant of the Cossacks who participated in both the Bukhara and Samarkand war. In the Bukhara company, my ancestor received the St. George Cross.

While your stupidly "expose" the gringo, irreparable damage to Russia will already be inflicted. It will be easier not to create bases there at all. I still think that the income of Uzbekistan from friendship with Russia is several times higher than the Judean lard of greenery from the gringo.

[de_monSher]

Ummmmm ... do you really have problems with the Russian language? With comprehension of the read?

There will be no NATO bases in Uzbekistan. And the problem here is not that Russia will be harmed, but that Uzbekistan will be harmed. In the political sense, Uzbekistan was mothballed in the late USSR, and in fact, even the presence, hypothetical, of the base of neighboring Kazakhstan on its territory can lead to destabilization ... *)) = smiled =

Although, it is probably useless for you to explain. Your brain, apparently, is "mothballed" in the late 19th century, judging by the crosses of Herogiev's clattering in the frontal lobes ... *)))) To me, roughly speaking, do not be offended, do not care what crosses I received from the high bell tower your ancestor for the company = more precisely - the massacre. And where did you get this term from - Bukhara, Samarkand wars? *) = in Uzbekistan. It is much more important to me that at the beginning of the 20th century, our countries were moving in the same vector of development. And, in fact, these vectors will disperse, or merge, entirely depends on the flexibility of your thinking, and the thinking of many of your compatriots. You will suffer chauvinism - goodbye, how are you different from the USA then? You will be smarter and more judicious - that means in working order, calmly, without snot, drooling and pouring out other liquids, we will be good neighbors and friends ... *))

Mdja ...

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

Do you really have problems with the Russian language?

Respected. I do not teach you Uzbek, do not teach me Russian.

Quote: de_monSher

There will be no NATO bases in Uzbekistan.

If not, then all of the above makes no sense. I here read the opposite, "well, it will, but at any moment we will chase them." "How can 1500 pendos.s in Uzbekistan prevent Russia?"

Quote: de_monSher

spit from the high bell tower what kind of crosses did your ancestor get for company = more precisely - the massacre. And where did you get this term from - the Bukhara, Samarkand wars? *) = in Uzbekistan.

thirdly, a person who does not remember history has no future. I know what these wars were about. And I know why after this the flow of slaves from the Russian Empire to Central Asia stopped. And about the massacre is not necessary.

[de_monSher]

Respected. I do not teach you Uzbek, do not teach me Russian.

Dear, Russian language, for me - my native. I write on it, and not only notes, but also poems, novels, novels. I take part in writers' seminars, I get it cool on the head, if I mess up in grammar or semantics - and I don’t expose my little things я. You simply do not read even half of what they write to you, what do you expose your ambitions on top of your mind?

If it does not, then there is no sense to all of the above.

By and large, there is no point in this article. Another sucking out of the finger = at best =, "information". Why these stuffing are needed now, it's easy to guess if you think about it.

thirdly, a person who does not remember history has no future. I know what these wars were about. And I know why after this the flow of slaves from the Russian Empire to Central Asia stopped. And about the massacre is not necessary.

I also remember and know for what the Turkestan campaign of the Russian Empire was. Any attempt to cover up blood with another paint, for example, blue, "like the sky", in a direct way leads to political and historical prostitution... And in Uzbekistan, for your information, there was the same, rigid rejection of "Cossacks", "Cossacks" in the 18th and 19th centuries. In the 20th century, thanks to the USSR, it was possible to neutralize this rejection. So about the "flow of slaves", la-la, don't. He was at least mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

I will repeat again, I don’t care about the Cossacks, and the only thing that comes to mind about them is a saying - "Grandfather is a Cossack, father is a Cossack son and a grandson ... a dog." All association with the Cossacks in Central Asia.

I repeat. The period of the USSR was constructive. It was this period that gave a lot to the development of our countries. It is from that period that we must take all the best, and not from the time of the king of peas.

Mdja ...

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

So about the "flow of slaves", la-la, don't. He was at least - mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

That's just here for more details. When and by whom were slaves from Uzbekistan taken? Where in Russia were slave markets? And in the 17th, 18th and even in the 19th centuries, according to conservative estimates of experts, from 10000 to 40000 Russian people a year were driven into slavery in Central Asia.

My grandmother told me that back in the years 1880-1900 women and children were not allowed to work in the field and in the forest without the equestrian dress of the Cossacks.

[de_monSher]

That's just here for more details.

This does not mean anything to you, but ... I invite you to work with the remaining archives of the Bukhara Emirate, Kokand and Khiva. In the USSR, they reacted quite neutrally to that period, and many documents were preserved. In the 17-19 centuries, the Yaitskaya and the Ural Cossack army, made not one, not two, or even three, but dozens of campaigns on the territory of Central Asia. What you wrote above, regarding the Russians, your Ancestors, was exactly the same with my Ancestors. Documents - eat with them you can work. I saw them and met them. Alas and oh it's not an argument for you - in Central Asia, your Ancestors took up, and the story is written, by them, for you. Do you understand me?

I can just remind you, folklore - "From behind the island, to the rod ... to the open space, sea waves ... painted ... Razin's Stenki, boats". This is not an argument either, it is just an indicator of morals ... of the time. It is in the order of things to take a "polonyanka", an Iranian princess, and throw her into the sea ... *) Learn Old Uzbek, Tajik, and please go to Uzbekistan to work with the archives ... *)) No one will offend you there, they will welcome you - but as for obtaining copies of documents for review, you will have to bother ... *))

Like that... *)

[de_monSher]

Yes, yes, very funny ... *) Do you read Russian badly? Quote, specially for you:

And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005. The first state in the CIS, which back in the late 90s, kicked out all sorts of USAIDs and other wrecking organizations from the USA ... *)) Russia at that time was making big eyes, groaning and gasping, it’s undemocratic in type. .. *)

You understand that there is, I will not talk about honor, in politics the word honor is not in honor - there is simple pragmatism. Uzbekistan, it seems, is consistently pursuing a policy independent of either Russia, or China, or the United States. Unlike Russia or Kazakhstan, the financial system of Uzbekistan is not integrated into the world one. On the one hand, a huge minus, on the other - how to say =. He clearly outlined the borders - "with Russia - allies, friends. With China - financial affairs. America - just for balance and getting preferences from China and Russia."

Funny of course, correct me where I will be wrong. How will Uzbekistan provide

Nuuuu ... it’s not even funny anymore ... *) Can you explain what logistics is on your fingers? Transport infrastructures and their interfaces? Normal trade and food security? *)

Nude, nude ... *)

[Bobo beck]

Hello honest company.

[Bobo beck]

The mentality of Uzbeks and Slavs is very different, but competent people always find common ground. In Uzbekistan, today they are very good towards Russians, but in Russia - in different ways. Of course, excesses were enough in the 90s .... The trouble is that the attitude to Uzbekistan is based on thousands of dehkans who rush to Russia to earn money.

[iung]

You rightly noticed the image of the Uzbeks created the so-called haryp)

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005.

And the only state in the CIS that ultimately, kick in the ass, kicked the US contingent from its territory in 2005.
you read it badly. Before being kicked in the ass, they were launched into the territory of Uzbekistan.

[de_monSher]

you read it badly. Before being kicked in the ass, they were launched into the territory of Uzbekistan.

I do not quite understand your exercises in sophistry. In 2001, all the CIS countries, in a coordinated manner, sided with the United States in their fight against "world terrorism." If this step, the provision of a base in Khanabad by the United States, and a base in Termez, Germany, had not been approved at a meeting of the committee of chiefs of staff of the CIS member states, they would NOT have existed. The Germans do not show off much, and therefore they still use the Termez base. By the way, just like the Americans use Ulyanovsk. Dear, before you say something, is it worth reading full history question, huh?

[Bquunited]

Do not waste your precious time on! still do not understand. Cossack is not a politician and thinker, he is a soldier! Fulfill the orders of a single mind is not necessary.

[de_monSher]

Do not waste your precious time on!

Thanks for the support, but on the day off, you can spend time on stupid things ... *) And about this, I still can not resist -

Cossack is not a politician and thinker, he is a soldier!

- I do not agree. The Cossack was not a soldier, is not, and cannot be in principle ... *) The current state of the Cossacks is clowning. The past Cossacks are freemen and robbery. Makhnovism not out of the blue appeared, nevertheless ... *)

The Soviet government disciplined the Cossacks - and the Don, Ural, Siberian Cossacks showed themselves perfectly in the war. But ... under the whip! Tough! By the way, several Cossack regiments during the war were formed in Tashkent ... *) Then again everything returned to normal. Cossacks - is not the engine of the evolution of the state, but rather is a complete brake - having absorbed many features of the pre-Petrine streletsky army ... *))

[iung]

With all due respect to you, but about the merits of the Cossacks, you are very excited in your assessments. Soviet power physically destroyed the Cossacks.

[de_monSher]

Soviet power physically destroyed the Cossacks.

I am absolutely sure that we have different views on the Soviet period of development of our countries, pieces once united country. But, damn it, in this regard, so many copies have already been broken, and so many copies will still be broken, that I, secretly envious of Fomenko, with his new history, with your permission I will not arrange a discussion now ... *) Lada? I’ll just try to correct my message. So:

A soldier is a person, a citizen, a subject = what you need - emphasize = your country, which most often deliberately = if the state functions normally = goes to infringe on some of its rights and freedoms, in order to protect the rights and freedoms of their relatives, friends, friends, compatriots, fellow citizens ... For him there can be no concept - "my personal comfort". For him there is - "the comfort of my clients", in the first place, and "my own comfort" - in the second.

Cossack - "hunter" = an old Russian root, since he is engaged in something, exclusively in the "hunt" =, a person, in Soviet speaking, petty-bourgeois elementwho first of all thinks about his pocket, about his comfort and only then about others "abstract" things.

Which Cossack Soldier is being asked?

At the same time, historicallythat the Cossack turned into a Soldier, literally three or four times in history — the Patriotic, World War I, and World War II are some of these cases ... *) Moreover, the Cossack became a true Soldier only during the Second World War. In what ways this was achieved, I think it is not worth discussing in this context.

That's better?

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

Which Cossack Soldier is being asked?

And such a soldier from a Cossack. What Napoleon said give me an army of Cossacks and I will conquer the whole world. And again I say, do not meddle with your pork snout in a candy row. Not for you to discuss this.

[de_monSher]

And such a soldier from a Cossack. What Napoleon said give me an army of Cossacks and I will conquer the whole world.

Well ... since culture-cultures you weren’t taught by Parents ... *))

If you, dumb cattle = this is the answer to yours - selling skin, if something, for admins =, read carefully, then what I wrote earlier, Then they would read that - "3 or 4 times in the history of the Cossacks became Soldiers." And in these cases he included the Patriotic War of 1812.

This time ...

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

- I do not agree. The Cossack was not a soldier, is not, and cannot be in principle ... *) The current state of the Cossacks is clowning. The past Cossacks are freemen and robbery. Makhnovism not out of the blue appeared, nevertheless ... *)

Listen up. Uzbek thinker. Do not you, corrupt skin, writing poetry in Russian, to talk about the Cossacks. The Siberian Cossacks were distinguished by iron discipline, selfless devotion and high military spirit and skill. It was they who defeated your 50-fold superior army in the Bukhara and Samarkand campaigns.

And it is they who will come to you again if you star out of rank.

[de_monSher]

Listen up. Uzbek thinker. Not for you

Я You carefully, do not listen, but read. And so far I have seen only the male version of PMS = Fasting Menstrual Syndrome = against the background of an extensive menopause of brain activity.

And it is not for you, "a great connoisseur of the Cossacks", to try to figure out who is the "Selling Skin" and who is not. Look, General Shkuro also considered himself a Kuban Cossack, about the same "thoughts" you gave out on the mountain, and was completely naturally hanged for all his deeds ...

About "50-fold superiority of native troops during the Turkestan campaign", etc. etc. History is written and rewritten in the course of human existence more than once, not two or three. History is such a thing - selling girl. Look, even the true story of the capture of Bukhara by the Bolsheviks is completely different from official version. Only you, you never know, because brains to move your laziness ...

I repeat - it is necessary push off from the community of our countries, which was founded not by the Cossacks, not Tsarist Russia, but by the Soviet system, whether poor or poor, managed to create something similar to a common ideology and common mentality.

These are two ...

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

At the same time, historically, it turned out that the Cossack turned into a Soldier, literally three or four times in history - the Patriotic, World War I, and World War II are some of these cases ... *) Moreover, the Cossack became only a true Soldier during the Second World War. In what ways this was achieved, I think it is not worth discussing in this context.

Reread the story. And not only in Old Uzbek. Cossacks participated in ALL wars waged by the Russian empire. And moreover, they were the most successful and disciplined part of the Russian army.

[de_monSher]

And moreover, they were the most successful and disciplined part of the Russian army.

Ok ... if you don't stop. Well, I will consider the earlier layers of history, although they would also be interesting in terms of illustrating the mores of the Cossacks - the role of the Cossacks during the "times of troubles" is especially interesting, or let’s take the same Mazepa. But ... figs with him, I'll start with Peter's times. I will give just a few examples, but there are many more.

Nekrasovtsy - part of the Don army, led by Ataman Nekrasov. After the suppression of the Bulavin rebellion, the Cossacks in the 1708th year went to the Crimea and swore allegiance to the Crimean Khan. Armed raids on Russian border settlements because of which troops were specially sent against them under the command of ataman Frolov. They were partially exterminated, partially fled to the Turks, where they re-swore allegiance to the Turkish Sultan.

In all the wars of the 18th century, the Cossacks practically did not prove themselves, unlike the regular military units built by Peter, those Peasants whom Suvorov called "miracle heroes". Moreover, the entire history of Russia in the 18th century is replete with Cossack riots - from Bulavin to Pugachev.

19th century. I already noted the Patriotic War - there are no questions. But at the same time, sharply negative reviews of the Russian military leaders about the Cossacks can be seen during the Crimean War, during the war of 1877-1878. Their instability and lack of discipline were noted.

20th century. Makhnovshchina - as one example. And so - the inadequate cruelty of the Cossacks, their indiscipline and lack of control were noted. This was noted, for example, by the same Baron Wrangel. The result of all this was that the Cossacks in the USSR began to "destroy" ideologically and physically, trying to uproot their stupid, stubborn, strictly individualistic, predatory mentality.

About your "pearl" - "selling skin" addressed to me. My grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War with the Germans. My Father is a Soviet career intelligence officer who fought with the Chinese, and in North and West Africa. My Mother is a German translator, a specialist in "psychological wars". My sister is a military doctor. Brother - career officer, graduated soviet College in the Caucasus. I don’t understand your message - I’ll simply write to your nearness and obstinacy ...

Like that...

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: de_monSher

20th century. Makhnovshchina - as one example. And so - the inadequate cruelty of the Cossacks, their indiscipline and lack of control were noted. This was noted, for example, by the same Baron Wrangel. The result of all this was that the Cossacks in the USSR began to "destroy" ideologically and physically, trying to uproot their stupid, stubborn, strictly individualistic, predatory mentality.

You are a narrow-minded, narrow-minded, stubborn man. Confidently manipulating facts in a favorable light. A conversation with you is an attempt to catch a flea jumping from dog to dog. I don’t have time to sit in the Uzbek archives. I spent a lot of time in my local and nearby Russian, trying to find out the history of my family, hidden and warped by the Bolsheviks for a century.

An entire nation, the Russian Cossacks, was cut almost to the root by your international Jewry, since it was a force capable of resisting it. The good name and history of the Cossacks was also destroyed. The more I try to understand, the more I am amazed at the scale of this process.

This is genocide. Only in my family. Great-grandfather 6 sons returned with the Japanese alive. They ordered an icon in a local church. She is still there. They came from the domestic again all alive. And they all lay down in civilian clothes. Moreover, the Reds massacred in the village. The grandmother told how they used to bayonet old people, children and women at the door and did not allow them to be buried. Only my grandfather survived, as he was a boy since 1910. He, too, like your grandfathers fought in 1941 and ended the war in Prague.
I am proud of my ancestors. I know that they were great warriors and strong people. And I will also refer to your narrow-mindedness and narrow-mindedness when you blame the whole people - the Cossacks - for the stupidity of predation and approve of the massacre organized by the Bolsheviks.

[de_monSher]

You are a narrow-minded, narrow-minded, stubborn man. Confidently manipulating facts in a favorable light.

Huh ... that sounds funny. So I, who is trying to offer you a little change in point of view, at least on the history of the conquest of Russia by Central Asia, based on preserved documents, and not official fairy tales and myths - "history manipulator"? So?

Yes, I’m the one who understands that the same Russian conquest of Central Asia, the bloody conquest, believe me, is story, and it’s worth forgiving your ancestors, who were cutting mine at that time, for the sake of the fact that during the USSR we received a good impetus in development = all of us, not just Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan = there. I say it was worth it, and after that I "narrow-minded"? So?

I, whose many relatives suffered too, at the initial moment of the formation of Soviet power, and who, after all this, waved their hands to the past and went to defend their BIG homeland, and I am proud of them, quite legally, maybe "chauvinist" Uzbek?

Do not you think, dear, that you are not a little friendly with such concepts as logic, analysis, and just common sense? No?

[de_monSher]

was cut almost to the root by your international Jewry

It’s not worth it, I’m in relatives to ascribe a whole nation, even from the "holy" land. Choose expressions when you communicate with people, if you do not know how to choose, just keep quiet, learn to talk to begin with, perhaps - practice at the mirror ... *))

[Siberian]

Quote: Cossack Ermak

you read it badly. Before being kicked in the ass, they were launched into the territory of Uzbekistan.

Everything is logical, in order to kick out you must first let

[1536]

Dear, there is so little information about your state that the media report today on the creation of a US base on the territory of Uzbekistan is quite trustworthy. Whether it will or will not be this base is the business of your country, your people and your government. An ally is one who openly declares this and helps, than he can in a difficult moment for a friend. And do not fall into hysteria, bursting with long posts, over the fact that, for example, I briefly described the retaliatory measures that the Russian government can take on such an obviously unfriendly step of your state as the deployment of an American military base. Nothing personal, this is politics and everyone understands this. Or not all?

[special]

They will begin to deploy a NATO base at their disposal — to revise quotas for labor migrants, entry into Russia - according to foreign passports and for a period of not more than 30 days ... Everyone who is in the Russian Federation illegally-nah. to sunny Uzbekistan, build a NATO base ...

[MBA78]

but didn’t get away with all these bases ... let's say short and medium range charges

[Bobo beck]

[quote = special] They will begin to deploy a NATO base at their disposal — to revise quotas for labor migrants, entry into Russia - according to international passports and for a period of not more than 30 days ... Everyone who is in the Russian Federation illegally-fucked. in sunny Uzbekistan, build a NATO base ....


And also cooperation and contracts
RF with Nato and the States? Ulyanovsk?

[kirqiz ssr]

as soon as they post it it will be like in an advertisement with powder tide we will come to you the Taliban will say.

[Bquunited]

This we can stir up with the Kyrgyz! Even an army is not needed! Let's open the border - the relatives of those killed in Osh and Jalalabad will politely show the way to the north!

[Bassoon]

In this case, you must send all the Uzbeks from the territory of the Russian Federation. Suitcase-station-village.

[Bquunited]

Which will inevitably lead to a decrease in demographic growth in the Russian Federation !!

[zsdk]

You don’t need to touch ordinary Uzbeks, you need their president in an understandable form to explain the costs of cooperation with the United States, if this is indeed anticipated.

[asiat_61]

I was an electrician talking with an Azerbaijanian electrician. Conversation of the deaf. Elementary knowledge zero.

[Ivan 63]

The East respects power, I do not urge to fight, there are other methods: a visa regime, the supply of weapons to the neighbors of Tashkent, pressure on Karimov’s relatives, but what else can be done. And most importantly, does Islam really want an orange revolution - the Yankees are big docks in this.

[Leonardo]

Ukrainians, Moldovans, Uzbeks, Tajiks ... are not to blame for the fact that vassals from the US State Department, the European Union and NATO came to power in their republics. My personal opinion is this: As long as the world is ruled by the United States, this whole mess will continue. It is necessary to eradicate the influence of the United States on "small" peoples. As long as the USA exists ... there will be EVIL in the world. Evil must be destroyed. Destroying the EVIL ... and all the vassals will close their mouths and bury themselves like nasty cats in dirty crevices.

[Evilcat]

Not guilty. But it seems to me that you do not quite correctly evaluate the Uzbeks and Tajiks. They always had almost a slave system. Even in Soviet times. For those who wish to challenge, I remind you - schoolchildren, students were constantly exported to harvest cotton. Say we also exported potatoes? This is a completely different situation. And while the US is trying to expand its influence in the Asian regions of the former USSR, they don't shine. Local kings will score for all arrangements if they do not see their benefit.

[Russian Uzbek]

I wanted to speak on this topic:
1 East - a delicate matter
2 In the Ukrainian dementia, President Karimov was not noticed, i.e. realizes that letting amers into the country, it will be difficult to drive them out
3 Uzbek - a synonym for the word trader! already figured it means that they will beg from Russia
4 Amers cannot refuse in a rude form, they are afraid of a "color revolution"
5 They cannot refuse Russia in a rude form because; 2-3 million gaster vytrenny (or not released) is equivalent to the "color revolution"
6 see point No. 1

[Evilcat]

This Americans rashly acted.
Now the American instructors will compare their pilaf with their big Mac, their cognac (very good) with their bourbon.
And they will not want to return.

[Kovlad]

Quote: Penzuck

Quote: iung

And why do you think that the Uzbeks are not enemies to us?

to the freemasons? I don’t give a shit about what politicians in Uzbekistan think about me at home, but the people with whom I spoke in Russia (construction crews) are completely normal.

Quote: iung

Deport all non legal

and legal workers are just 2 million according to the FMS. If you expel the Uzbeks, the Tajiks will occupy a niche.

Quote: iung

the legitimacy of obtaining citizenship by ethnic Uzbeks.

FAQ Is it about the citizens of Uzbekistan or about the Uzbeks (smacks of nationalism)?

Quote: iung

Where do you think the Russian-speaking population of Uzbekistan has gone.?

Russian-speaking arrived
to us, but I will not say anything about Russians (of which you probably spoke) (you yourself asked and answer in 2000, it was 1 million). The policy of the empire was colonial, and the policy of the USSR was anti-Islamic (including) Do you want to? Do Uzbeks conduct hostile policies against Russia? Not. So not enemies. And the Russians in Uzbekistan are really colonists. The disregard for compatriots led to tragedy, and given that every second Russian atheist is not surprising.

Did you yourself have to live there? Judging by the words - no. I will not say that all Uzbeks are bad boys, I would rather say the opposite, they are very friendly and hospitable people. And there are specialists there too. But! the policy of the state of Uzbekistan cannot be called benevolent and hospitable! And millions of gaster from an unfriendly state are absolutely not needed.

[Sedoy]

and what will fly through the Persian Gulf - Pakistan - Afghanistan ...
ours can then ban flights through its territory, if not already banned ...

[Yugra]

And now, in return, with a savory kick in the ass of all Uzbek-gastric gastrikas back to their flawed country! Let them arrange a revolution for the over-presided Karimov! Let us see after that what base there will appear

[reinat]

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To pour crap on an entire country (Uzbekistan), one article-guess in the "Opinion" section is enough. But for the most part, the population of this country has pro-Russian sentiments.

[de_monSher]

But for the most part the population of this country, pro-Russian mood.

Yes, there is such a thing ... Mentality is close. And if you analyze, Uzbekistan has not taken no one a step that would run counter to Russia's strategic objectives and aspirations. Just for the time being it causes total aggression, total aggressiveness, of "sofa" analytes ... But this can already be attributed to inability analyze situation ...

[Shep]

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You have such an attitude to everything that even the desire to persuade you has disappeared.
"It's useless to argue with a fool"

[Shep]

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Quote: de_monSher

So about the "flow of slaves", la-la, don't. He was at least - mutual = robbery, direct slavery, and other delights of predation. And this is the basis of the so-called "Cossacks" =.

That's just here for more details. When and by whom were slaves from Uzbekistan taken? Where in Russia were slave markets? And in the 17th, 18th and even in the 19th centuries, according to conservative estimates of experts, from 10000 to 40000 Russian people a year were driven into slavery in Central Asia.

My grandmother told me that back in the years 1880-1900 women and children were not allowed to work in the field and in the forest without the equestrian dress of the Cossacks.

That is, YOU justify by this murder, robbery, rape, etc. that happened immediately after the occupation in all khanates and in the Bukhara emirate?
That is, the life of 40 thousand people of the Russian Empire is more expensive than hundreds of thousands of lives of peaceful people of our lands ??????????
Brilliant you stubborn soldier however.

[Shohruh-8605]

The vast majority of the Russian people are unkind in relations between the Uzbeks. there are a lot of questions inclined to national analysis. Incidentally, your dryness is not surprising already.