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Circus with tanks

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Circus with tanksUkraine continues to demand from the West not only financial, but also direct military assistance. However, despite recent reports of strange shipments tanks T-72 Ukraine from Hungary, the West is clearly not eager to give Ukraine something more dangerous than dry rations and tents. What is the reason for this behavior, the newspaper LOOKED.

The appeal of the Foreign Minister of Kiev to the West with a request to provide direct military assistance did not find sympathy, despite the fact that the United States and the command of NATO allowed individual countries to independently choose the form of military-technical assistance to Ukraine. It is unlikely that the statement of the Verkhovna Rada Oleksandr Turchinov’s statement that “the time has come when Ukraine needs not only moral but also military assistance” will find a response.

“Bulgarian mines, for example, have a tendency not to explode, but for some reason screw into the asphalt at the most stabilizer. And Bulgaria is one of the largest suppliers of this stuff. ”

At the moment, state supplies of Western countries to Ukraine in the military area were limited only to military equipment - body armor, helmets, dry rations, tents, and so on. Arms shipments are not officially excluded, but there are many signs suggesting that this is still unlikely to happen.

The "large" countries are demonstratively unwilling to get drawn into the war in this way. But the "new Europeans" formally preferred to remain silent, although it was with them that the basic hopes of Kiev were connected. There was already documented evidence of the use of ammunition from old Polish stocks by Ukrainian troops. Moreover, the reserves are really so old that even humanitarian aid could not be calculated. But previously, Eastern European countries were repeatedly seen in trade in arsenals left over from the Warsaw Pact. Including, for example, to Georgia during the conflict in South Ossetia in 2004 and before the 2008 war. And Ukraine itself (both the state and individual citizens) behaved exactly the same way, and on a larger scale - which ultimately led to the complete depletion of the country's military-technical resource. And now, when the main mass of Ukrainian armored vehicles and aviation practically ceased to exist, Kiev can only hope for a reciprocal courtesy from its Western "fans".

The direct catalyst for the sale of Ukraine weapons from the old stocks of the former Warsaw Pact countries served as a strange история in Hungary, when local bloggers photographed a train with T-72 tanks moving by rail towards Ukraine. Moreover, it is Ukraine, since there is simply nowhere to roll there - as a result, the rails rest against the Zakhon border point (he is Ukrainian Chop). It quickly became clear that these are really Hungarian tanks, which the Hungarian Ministry of Defense quite legally sold through a tender (No. S14N08) to a certain company Excalibur Defense KFT (kft is in our LLC). This company is registered in Székesfehérvár, on Bakon street, 4 house with an authorized capital of 500 000 forint. In the column "profit" for 2013, the year in its reporting is round zero. There is evidence that several Czech citizens are its founders.

The Hungarian public in this story was not worried about the fact of selling somewhere (and so it is clear that the only neighboring country, which they may even need - Ukraine) of old tanks, but the price received for them. The structural unit of the Hungarian Ministry of Defense, which was responsible for the tender, helped the phantom company 22 million 40 thousand forints from the sale of the first batch (200 tank), that is, in fact, at the price of scrap metal. In total, the Excalibur received 58 tanks at a price that was a hundred times less than even the market, but the selling price. In this case, the photo clearly shows that the tanks have undergone pre-training. They are newly painted and almost polished. This somehow did not fit in with the appearance in the Czech press of a certain representative of Excalibur, Andrei Chirtek, who stated that the tanks had been bought from the Hungarian Ministry of Defense for their further "disassembly".

Everyone was surprised by the route along which the tanks moved through Hungary - in the opposite direction from the Czech Republic. The Ministry of Defense explained this by “logistics” - from the base in Kaloche, the train was moving through Nyiregyhaza, where it was photographed, to another base - in Nyirtelek - to perform some formalities. That is, the principle of “digging a ditch from fence to dinner” still works smoothly in the Hungarian army, despite all NATO standards. And why re-paint what is intended to become scrap metal?

The same company won the second tender for the purchase of 24 MIG-29, which cannot be named as scrap metal. Not to mention the helicopters. And all this with delivery until the end of August. In this case, from the formal side, everything seems to be normal. Tenders were announced in advance, there are references to the relevant Hungarian regulatory documentation and other "European standards".

This scheme is nothing new. The Hungarian government does not want to openly deliver heavy weapons to Ukraine. But it is absolutely not against earning an extra five kopecks on the old trash, selling it to civilian middlemen-adventurers from another country. And what will they do with this further? Budapest has nothing to do with it. An old circus trick. Yes, it seems improper to supply tanks there, and in general our political position is opposite, but the door will be slightly ajar. And 5% translate, please, at the expense of some company "Swindlers and Spies Inc." in Liechtenstein. Moreover, the profits of lovely gentlemen from the Czech Republic will amount to an astronomical amount, since Kiev in general doesn’t care how much to pay - this is essentially American money.

A tiny little detail has added extra fun to the whole story. The site Hidfo.net, on which photos of a tank train at the Nyiregyhaz station appeared from an anonymous user, was founded in 2012, and its slogan is Igazság hangja Magyarországban (“Sound of Truth in Hungary”). But at the time of its first launch, an inscription appeared in Cyrillic on the screen: “News the portal has been launched. ” The inscription disappeared after a couple of minutes, but the residue remained.

Calculate the real losses of the Ukrainian army in the New Russia is impossible. But if 35 is already downed from 29 MIG-33, then who and what is flying there? It is reasonable to assume that low-grade aircraft or those that were previously in illegal or semi-legal "leasing" in other parts of the world were launched. Ukraine returned from Africa all its helicopters that were there as part of the UN peacekeeping missions, forgetting to repaint the symbolism. Last year, a dozen Ukrainian MI-8s were transferred for conversion to Croatia, in which they were stuck due to the fact that spare parts for them were located in Sevastopol. Now, a delegation of US senators and generals is demanding that the Croats return the helicopters to Ukraine, promising to hand over their used (7–8 years of service) American turntables to Zagreb.

It is unrealistic to even assess the state in which the Ukrainian army was at the time of the outbreak of hostilities. Even it is impossible to proceed from official figures, since most of the warehouse reports for more than twenty years of theft and manipulation were simply falsified many times. Even if a certain tank was recorded on paper, and, moreover, it was in reality, it is not a fact that there was a battery, for example. Most likely, Kiev itself has a rather superficial idea of ​​its military power, but there is no time to carry out an inventory.

It is believed that European countries are limited to the Arms Trade Code of Conduct of 8 June 1998 and the International Convention on the Principles of the Arms Trade. It was to these documents that the Russian Foreign Ministry referred in its note about the Hungarian tanks delivered to Ukraine. But, first, the convention has not yet been ratified by anyone, and the Code of Conduct is a pleasant and touching set of words that Greenpeace and other extreme pacifists like to operate with. It is not even worth the paper on which it is printed. And the arms trade is such a wonderful area of ​​human activity, in which there is always an Excalibur company registered in a private house on the outskirts of the ancient capital of the Huns without signs of economic activity.

But it's all dead poultices. Neither Eastern Europe nor NATO as a whole will transfer to Ukraine such types of weapons that could critically affect the course of hostilities in Novorossia. Not only is it politically dangerous, it is also impractical and meaningless. The course of hostilities itself does not provide for a tactical superiority of the Ukrainian army at the expense of some fundamentally new types of weapons. Even the drones that are so dear to the heart of Barack Obama are knocked down by bundles. And simply building firepower is a two-edged process. And while he is not in favor of the armed forces of Ukraine. Kharkiv tank factory and so works in three shifts, repairing what could crawl out of the battlefield.

In addition, the quality, for example, of ammunition from the ancient stocks of the Warsaw Pact, to put it mildly, is no longer the best. Bulgarian mines, for example, tend not to explode, but for some reason screw into the asphalt at the most stabilizer. And Bulgaria is one of the largest suppliers of this trash. Prague, on the other hand, is one of the European leaders in the production of armaments and has long been firmly established (along with Budapest) into an informal center for illegal arms trade, and all these chains are controlled by dozens of foreign intelligence agencies and specialized agencies. And sooner or later, some of these chains will open up with great noise.

Backstage deliveries to Kiev of sub-standard equipment and ammunition of the old nomenclature can only delay the course of the war for some time. In this case, the responsibility for the death of people falls on the suppliers, but, as we can see from the example of Hungary, the state and politicians prefer not to participate directly in the arms trade process. And the conscience of a private person is a twilight thing. This, of course, is not the first or the last case, providing a wide field for the activities of numerous intelligence services and counterintelligence and the sudden enrichment of adventurers. But the war will ever end, the adventurers will be caught in the Danube, and it will turn out that all this was useless.
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  1. Bassoon
    Bassoon 21 August 2014 15: 01
    0
    Since the time of the stool, we have accumulated a lot of rubber equipment. Can we help them with such a makar?) For vrazhin waste is not a pity.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2014 15: 09
      +15
      Quote: Fagot
      Since the time of the stool, we have accumulated a lot of rubber equipment.

      Condoms offer leaky to put?
      1. Warlock_r
        Warlock_r 21 August 2014 15: 26
        +11
        Not no not, full of holes can not be! They (those to whom we supply) will multiply. And we need the opposite effect.
        1. Момент
          Момент 21 August 2014 15: 37
          +7
          Everyone understands that in the leaky budget of Ukraine there is no money, and only Russia supplied gas for free. As a result, Hungary kills two birds with one stone; it gets rid of the old trash and puts Ukraine on money.
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 21 August 2014 16: 08
            +2
            [img] http://www.metaprom.ru/board-metal/?id=279751&photo_show [/ img]
            Quote: Moment
            Everyone understands that in the leaky budget of Ukraine there is no money, and only Russia supplied gas for free. As a result, Hungary kills two birds with one stone; it gets rid of the old trash and puts Ukraine on money.

            Ukraine is "developing" by creating points for receiving scrap metal and radioactive waste. In this way, it is approaching Eurogeys and their values. Download further. Slaps !!! wassat
            1. severniy
              severniy 21 August 2014 17: 07
              +3
              Download further. wassat[/ Quote]
              +++ fucking social camp brothers ...
              1. lav67
                lav67 21 August 2014 17: 30
                +1
                this is thanks from them for those millions that went freeing them from fascism. short historical memory.
              2. severniy
                severniy 21 August 2014 17: 37
                +5
                Yes, there is fresh fun: the European Commission has allocated 4 million euros to promote Polish apples in the markets ... of China and India.

                This is an outright mockery of Warsaw politicians. China is the largest producer and exporter of apples on our planet. laughing
                It was even funnier with India. Although India does import apples (from China), this country is not a member of the WTO. The Indian government has recently imposed a barrage duty on apple imports. Duty rate - 50% of the value of apples sad
        2. shershen
          shershen 21 August 2014 16: 31
          +10
          It is better to apply economic sanctions to dill - to send all the dill prostitutes from Moscow home to Kiev.
          Six months later, the Ukopov civilization will die from tripper.
          By the way, do you know that every Ukrainian prostitute owes 16 hours to every man in the Moscow region on account of paying billions of dollars for gas.
          1. peter-tank
            peter-tank 21 August 2014 18: 25
            +3
            And why only the Moscow region? wassat Gas, for example, was produced from us - in Western Siberia.
            1. boomerang.
              boomerang. 21 August 2014 21: 26
              -2
              And why only the Moscow region? wassat Gas, for example, was produced from us - in Western Siberia.

              But because Moscow is selling this gas. wassat Without Moscow, gas would have remained where the field was. tongue
              1. jagdpanzer
                jagdpanzer 22 August 2014 08: 19
                -1
                Well, you rave and where does Moscow then?
                1. boomerang.
                  boomerang. 23 August 2014 17: 40
                  0
                  Well, you rave and where does Moscow then?

                  Well, don’t tell me, very much so. For example, let's say you have a huge piece of land, well, so 20 square meters. km and there they found huge reserves of gas.

                  What you need to do first, you need to hire people to protect this land, since there will be many who want to take this land from you. Well, let's say you found the money and protect your land.
                  Next, you need to hire a company to drill, pave roads.
                  Then you need to lay pipes, and the neighbor will also want to have a share for the laid pipeline.
                  Then you need to sell this gas and profitably, well, there are expenses, taxes, etc.
                  As a result, if this deposit was not taken from you, then you are lucky, but what incomes you will have is not yet known.
                  But Moscow does this in any hard-to-reach places, it organizes, protects and produces and sells gas. Without Moscow, it was hardly possible to do this, if very talented, and even then it is not a fact that it will always be like that, there are many examples, the same Iran.
            2. K-50
              K-50 22 August 2014 09: 37
              +1
              Quote: piter-tank
              And why only the Moscow region? wassat Gas, for example, was produced from us - in Western Siberia.

              In turn, citizens, in turn. Do not crowd, everyone will get wassat
      2. BOB044
        BOB044 21 August 2014 16: 03
        +1
        Is it dangerous. There will be even more dill with a bad head.
        1. Jacques
          Jacques 21 August 2014 16: 25
          0
          Yes, it seems there is no where else ....
      3. Nick
        Nick 21 August 2014 18: 42
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Condoms offer leaky to put?

        It’s better that they’re toothy so that the degenerates do not breed ...
      4. Cadet787
        Cadet787 21 August 2014 18: 47
        +4
        21.08.2014 - 14: 44
        Ukraine continues to supply militias with armored vehicles

        Ukraine continues to supply militias with armored vehicles | Russian spring
        We are constantly located in the computer networks of the power and law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and continue to inform the public of the data circulating there.

        In order to maintain access to information sources, we decided not to publish documents obtained as a result of hacking computers of Ukrainian military officials, as we did before, but to disclose only the facts that we see in these messages.

        So, having constant access to classified information of the Ukrainian security forces, we see that the fratricidal war is coming to an end. From new documents, we learned that during the period from August 8 to 15, the Army of the Southeast seized: T-64 - 18 units, infantry fighting vehicles - 24 units, armored personnel carriers - 11 units, BMD - 2 units, BMD - 9 units, MLRS "Hurricane" - 2 units, self-propelled guns 2S4 "Tulip" - 2 units, self-propelled guns 2S9 "Nona" - 2 units, self-propelled guns 2S1 "Carnation" - 10 units, mortars 82-mm - 6 units ., ZU-23-2 - 3 units, automobiles - 44 units.

        In total, from June 20 to August 15, during a punitive operation, as follows from the reports of the military themselves, the militia captured from the Ukrainian army: T-64 - 65 units, infantry fighting vehicle - 69 units, armored personnel carrier - 39 units, BRDM - 2 units, BMD - 9 units, MLRS BM-21 Grad - 24 units, MLRS "Hurricane" - 2 units, self-propelled guns 2S4 "Tulip" - 2 units, self-propelled guns 2S9 "Nona" - 6 units ., Self-propelled guns 2S1 “Carnation” - 25 units, D-30 - 10 units, 82-mm mortars - 32 units, ZU-23-2 - 18 units, cars - 124 units.

        Such extravagance of the security forces is too expensive for the country in which a military tax has been introduced for the population. How much more is the pro-American government of Ukraine ready to spend on the destruction of the civilian population, the destruction of enterprises and infrastructure to please the West ?! All this is happening against the backdrop of a constant economic downturn, a lack of money in the country's budget and the upcoming heating season, which Ukraine this time encounters without energy.

        We, CyberBerkut! We will not forget! We will not forgive!
      5. koshh
        koshh 21 August 2014 23: 50
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Condoms offer leaky to put?


        Worn-worn tires. Let them warm on the Maidan in winter. It is possible as humanitarian aid. True Maidan, in the best case for them, only in Lviv will remain.
    2. Jacques
      Jacques 21 August 2014 16: 23
      0
      What should we build a tank? Draw - sell!
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 August 2014 16: 28
      +1
      The Ukrainian army can not wait for any help from us, except for the coffins.
      1. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 21 August 2014 17: 29
        0
        Quote: Giant thought
        The Ukrainian army can not wait for any help from us, except for the coffins.

        What coffins? the tree can still be translated into them. They even rot well without coffins yes
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 21 August 2014 17: 56
          +3
          1 Hungarian forint = 0,0042 am. dollar. Hence, 22 tanks = $ 168. Hence, 840 T-1 tank = $ 72. belay How do you like this business?
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 21 August 2014 18: 21
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            1 Hungarian forint = 0,0042 am. dollar. Hence, 22 tanks = $ 168. Hence, 840 T-1 tank = $ 72. belay How do you like this business?

            This is the price that was received by Hungary for the tank from the Horns and Hooves office, but Ukraine received each tank, probably for $ 1000000 each.
            So it turns out - the power is new, but the problems are old !!!
            What did the people stand on the Maidan?
            1. tundra
              tundra 22 August 2014 01: 41
              0
              What did the people stand on the Maidan?
              And there were people standing? In my opinion, it’s just downs, they all hopped and shook their brains.
          2. K-50
            K-50 22 August 2014 09: 40
            +1
            Benya Kalomoysha put his hand, definitely wassat
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 21 August 2014 17: 51
      0
      Yes, everything is simple. Preparing for the defense of Kuev. laughing
    5. freedom2014
      freedom2014 21 August 2014 22: 13
      0
      Ukrainians are going to ask Russia for spare parts for equipment ...
    6. GUKTU
      GUKTU 22 August 2014 11: 39
      0
      Do not write what you do not understand
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 21 August 2014 15: 04
    +8
    tank trash for disposal ... that's where the loot is being sawed by an adult ... and you ice cream in the heat goes well, ice cream ...

    unlikely to help because the junk is utterly ...
    1. nfoma80
      nfoma80 21 August 2014 15: 15
      +9
      No matter how old this technique is, it can easily burn down houses and crush civilians! Yes, and there are a lot of people who want to buy this "old thing", in hot, hot Africa, against all sorts of lumumb, such tanks are the most Shors, there any UAZ with DShK is already an invincible Batmanmobile.
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 21 August 2014 15: 44
        +4
        No matter how old this technique is, it can easily burn homes and crush civilians with ease! ...

        That's right ... old or not ... but they shoot ...
        Therefore, when delivering this type of product, the end-user CERTIFICATE is required from the buyer (whoever this buyer is - a civilian merchant or state-owned company ... for scrap metal or ...) ... signed by either the prime minister or the deputy prime minister who oversees production and marketing of this product group ..
        So something in this article is not right ... or the author doesn’t own this topic in full ... or something doesn’t agree ... The sale version doesn’t go through in black either ... it needs to be taken across a couple of borders .. .and there, at adjacent customs, this certificate will require the same ...
    2. sds555
      sds555 21 August 2014 15: 18
      +3
      Destroyed dill positions in Minusinsk
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 21 August 2014 16: 43
        +2
        In Minusinsk. Krasnoyarsk Territory, no dill.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 21 August 2014 18: 28
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          In Minusinsk. Krasnoyarsk Territory, no dill.
          There are dill and delicious tomatoes. good Recommend.
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    3. Kars
      Kars 21 August 2014 15: 30
      +5

      An interesting T-72 is somehow.
      1. Maxsh
        Maxsh 21 August 2014 15: 44
        0
        Duc, judging by the rollers, this is not the 72nd, sort of ...
        1. BOB044
          BOB044 21 August 2014 16: 05
          +1
          This is the T-64 rather modernized.
          1. Kars
            Kars 21 August 2014 16: 10
            +1
            I’m talking about the second tank, and not the one that is screened on video. There T-72 with trucks from T-80. This is either an early modification T-72BA from the Russian Federation, or T-72 from a Kharkov tank, in Trivia they put native tracks from T -72
        2. mmrr
          mmrr 21 August 2014 17: 22
          +2
          Typical T-72, but the modernization was carried out apparently in Lvov. Such Lviv modernized were delivered in bulk to Georgia and in 2008 were captured in large numbers by our army.
          1. Kars
            Kars 21 August 2014 17: 29
            +3
            Quote: mmrr
            Typical T-72

            Caterpillars from T-80

            I haven’t seen any of them in Georgia.
            1. enot73
              enot73 21 August 2014 18: 08
              0
              And how do you like this T - 72? smile T-72BK / T-72BM / T-72BA - a complex of built-in reactive armor of the second generation "Contact-5" (developed by the Research Institute of Steel, 1986, Moscow). Security elements 4C22 are used. In terms of nomenclature and design, it is similar to the first T-90 series. As far as I know, such modernization is being carried out in Omsk.
              1. Kars
                Kars 21 August 2014 18: 14
                +1
                I have one. Yes, and it's hard to confuse with anything other than the T-90.
      2. enot73
        enot73 21 August 2014 17: 51
        0
        Quote: Kars
        An interesting T-72 is somehow.
        Look at the tracks and rollers - regular T - 64
        1. enot73
          enot73 21 August 2014 18: 13
          0
          Quote: enot73
          Look at the tracks and rollers - regular T - 64

          Sorry, I didn’t watch the video until the end, there really is a T - 72
        2. Kars
          Kars 21 August 2014 18: 13
          +2
          Quote: enot73
          Look at the tracks and rollers - regular T - 64

          Really?
          Quote: Kars
          I'm talking about the second tank, and not the one that is skinned in the video
  3. Vend
    Vend 21 August 2014 15: 05
    +9
    But even such a technique kills civilians and adds work to the militias.
  4. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 21 August 2014 15: 07
    +1
    Hungarians need to send a note of protest and promise to recall all this in its harshest form. soldier
  5. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 21 August 2014 15: 12
    +26
    Let Zimbabwe be asked
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 21 August 2014 15: 17
      +13
      Quote: sanja.grw
      Let Zimbabwe be asked

      You are mistaken. This is a cave painting recently found in one of the karst caves near Ivano-Frankivsk. guess who drew it? laughing
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 21 August 2014 15: 22
        +3
        Petya ? maybe a broken Klitschko’s brain? The list goes on.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 21 August 2014 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Barracuda
          Petya ? maybe a broken Klitschko’s brain? The list goes on.

          Nope. Great-eye. after they dug up the sea, they fought the Neanderthals in such a non-trivial way. laughing
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 21 August 2014 17: 18
          +4
          Quote: Barracuda
          maybe Klitschko’s broken brain

          By Klitschko’s broken brain, do you mean those eggs in a caricature? smile
      2. pahom54
        pahom54 21 August 2014 16: 35
        +1
        for RBLip

        The ancient Ukrainians were also unsurpassed artists ... Fat to the heroes !!!
      3. sanja.grw
        sanja.grw 21 August 2014 18: 40
        0
        I was led astray drinks
    2. maks197010
      maks197010 21 August 2014 16: 28
      +3
      Gunner - Parashenko, shooter - Julia! laughing good
    3. Sochi
      Sochi 21 August 2014 17: 11
      +1
      will not fly ... if you remember, then with such a blow the air is DRAWN.
  6. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 21 August 2014 15: 15
    0
    Quote: Wend
    But even such a technique kills civilians and adds work to the militias.

    Yeah, once a year and the rake shoots ...
  7. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 21 August 2014 15: 18
    +3
    Quote: vorobey
    tank trash for disposal ... that's where the loot is being sawed by an adult ... and you ice cream in the heat goes well, ice cream ...

    unlikely to help because the junk is utterly ...
    Germany during the war in Spain supplied weapons to both sides .. only Franco got better .. and the Spanish inter-brigades-WWI time .. that is worse .. cynical, but profitable .. laughing
  8. Neighbor
    Neighbor 21 August 2014 15: 23
    +1
    Militias are not allowed to work, they are forced to fight. Maybe scrap metal will live after the war.
  9. DMB-88
    DMB-88 21 August 2014 15: 25
    +2
    Any supplies of junta weapons are new and new victims of both military personnel from both sides and civilians!
    These supplies must be urgently stopped by any means: sanctions, pressure on the governments of supplier countries through the UN, etc. And of course, stop the commercial activities of ukrooligarchs in Russia!
  10. Vtel
    Vtel 21 August 2014 15: 26
    +1
    Yes, they’ll need at least some technique to put in and hto get into it, ukrohly tea is not stupid, but suddenly Motorola in the bushes and sho tady - 200. That’s the stench of blacks, the Swedes will be asked to sit down, and the psheks don’t sit in any, they still don’t dull dill.
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  12. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 21 August 2014 15: 31
    +6
    But the war will someday end, the adventurers will be caught in the Danube, and it turns out that all this was useless.

    And the amerikosovskie money grabbed something. Here is an interesting cycle of American money and weapons spent on "promoting democracy." For some reason, this money and weapons end up in the hands of very bad people, and then naturally - "September 11".
    By the way, here ISIS fighters say hello and thank Ukraine for the provided BTR-4.
    Svidomye also contributed to the cause of "the fight against American imperialism.
    1. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 21 August 2014 17: 29
      +1
      By the way, here ISIS fighters say hello and thank Ukraine for the provided BTR-4.

      So they are defective, the whole world already knows about it.
  13. RusDV
    RusDV 21 August 2014 15: 31
    +3
    Article +, of course. Professionally. In general, there is a feeling that we are on the eve of significant changes (well, or a grand schucher smile ) About 20 days later the Transnistrian guys will be ready .....
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 21 August 2014 17: 09
      0
      Quote: RusDV
      About 20 days later the Transnistrian guys will be ready .....

      for what?
      They ate for the blockade, then they have been preparing for a long time .. and everything is denser and denser
  14. alex47russ
    alex47russ 21 August 2014 15: 32
    0
    They definitely need to send a composition with condoms so that such degenerates would not come out into the light of day!
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 21 August 2014 16: 03
      0
      Quote: alex47russ
      They definitely need to send a composition with condoms so that such degenerates would not come out into the light of day!

      There you need a platoon with big rusty scissors.
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  16. Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 21 August 2014 15: 46
    +7
    They do not want to send heavy weapons to them, because everything is passed ... or they will be sold to the militia (Ukrainians pre-war people). They will still ask for a prosrut.
  17. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 21 August 2014 15: 57
    +4
    The essence of the article is reminiscent of the phrase: oh well .. well, why are you all messed up there, the trash ...
    Oh well. And let’s think about it ... 72 Soviet-built tanks in every way are of a higher quality than current UVZ tanks. And the storage conditions must be assumed they had at the level accepted in the EU.
    And if they put KDZ on them, and podshamanit as it should at the Lvov BTRZ, then these tanks are quite capable of fighting. And they were sent almost 2 battalion sets.
    Those. these tanks may well become a real hemorrhoid for militias and kill a lot of people in the Donbass.
    Well, do you still think that nothing special happened?
    1. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 21 August 2014 16: 10
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      Quote: wanderer_032
      Those. these tanks may well become a real hemorrhoid for militias and kill a lot of people in the Donbass.

      Maybe only crews are needed. There was infa from the words of a secretive who described the battle. In one tank for the commander - a major (it’s quite possible a battalion commander, NSh, zambombata), in the other - two officers in a carriage (just like on the IS-2 in the Second World War). But the Ukrainians did not use tanks in the amount of more than the company. So it looks like they have problems with people.
  18. argon
    argon 21 August 2014 16: 02
    +1
    Nevertheless, even this technique is capable of killing. Not only the military, but also the civilian population.
  19. Starmos
    Starmos 21 August 2014 16: 08
    +2
    Even the Western "owners" of the Maidan understand that high-tech weapons are in the hands of imbeciles and drug addicts, worse than the notorious grenade in the paws of a monkey.
  20. lexx2038
    lexx2038 21 August 2014 16: 17
    +1
    Apparently the Hungarians want us to come to them in free good tanks.
  21. maks197010
    maks197010 21 August 2014 16: 23
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    laughing
    Quote: Russian Alex
    They do not want to send heavy weapons to them, because everything is passed ... or they will be sold to the militia (Ukrainians pre-war people). They will still ask for a prosrut.

    wassat
  22. RUSLAT
    RUSLAT 21 August 2014 16: 26
    +2
    Good article. A subtle hint of sawing aid from the West. How much they will not give, they will all be stolen, it’s a pity there is no information how much Ukraine paid for tanks, the ratio should be no less than 1/100 ......
  23. sub307
    sub307 21 August 2014 16: 27
    +1
    "Arms deliveries are not officially ruled out, but there are many signs that this is unlikely to happen."
    I hope that this will be so.
  24. Lyton
    Lyton 21 August 2014 17: 03
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    They sent tanks, where they will take tankers, it’s necessary to put Negroes into battle, they seem to be more resilient and must run faster than Ukrainians.
  25. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 21 August 2014 17: 07
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    It is necessary for these countries, which decide on such assistance to ukram, in terms of retaliatory sanctions, to "twist" in full. And then they want to cut down the "denyuzhku" easily. To calculate how much they got and how much they lost, and they began to tear hair from all places. Then they might start thinking what can be sold and what is not.
  26. Cristall
    Cristall 21 August 2014 17: 15
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    an article from the category "Ukraine is breaking something there, buying illegally, etc."
    With such success, articles in Ukrainian sources about illegal assistance to the Russian Federation by the militia are exactly the same (still refute that there is no help — and that it is official — with weapons and money)
    Fight on all fronts ... including in our heads.
    The article is frankly badly written (there are dubbing of paragraphs) is replete with inaccuracies (which shot down 33 seconds 29 ?? or are those that with 19 Strongholds "were" destroyed?)
    in general, a lot of such in the ....
    By the way, by the way, buying a T72 may indicate that there is no time to train crews on the T64 (well, a much more tender tank for the crew)
    so simpler. At t72 you can learn more. Faster. By the way, the blockade of Transnistria from the Odessa region is being prepared precisely by T72.
  27. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 21 August 2014 17: 54
    +1
    The Magyars cannot forgive us their General Horthy, whom we buried in the cemetery, and no matter how much money the gypsies do, I wish the Khokhlov war children more Bulgarian mines, well, dig up worms for fishing. laughing
    1. tundra
      tundra 22 August 2014 01: 51
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      Gypsies Romanians. Hungarians are descendants of the Polovtsy and distant relatives of the Kyrgyz and Yakuts, at the genetic level, so to speak. The Magyars do not have any close peoples in Europe.
  28. cap54
    cap54 21 August 2014 18: 03
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    reports of strange shipments of T-72 tanks to Ukraine from Hungary

    Bulgarian mines, for example, have a tendency not to explode, but for some reason to screw into the asphalt on the most stabilizer. And Bulgaria is one of the largest suppliers of this trash
    Yes, everything is simple: for the disposal of this rubbish, these countries had to pay their money, and after selling this rubbish of Dill, they also received other people's money.
  29. andrew42
    andrew42 21 August 2014 18: 05
    +1
    Honestly, the article did not add optimism. The United States will print as many candy wrappers as the Nazis will need to purchase weapons. So far, they are buying junk. Not far off, I think, the procurement of NATO-vskoy equipment. Turchinov’s call for help is very eloquent. The corral of the population of Ukraine in fascist troops will also take its course. It’s less, it’s more. with the decline in living standards in Ukraine in the coming months, the flow of forced to earn pennies war will not subside. Meanwhile, the Donbass is being rubbed into dust, and no hints of a qualitative change in the situation in favor of the militia are visible. Obviously, it’s not enough to resist the pressure of the junta’s troops. Need their rout and flight. Otherwise, the psychological fatigue of those who defend the Donbass will soon manifest itself with might and main. It is impossible to live long and to fight in the highest degree of tension. And as winter declares itself, - here the grandmother also said in two. Whatever winter disruption will cover more, Donbass or Urkain, it is clear that the destroyed Donbass will be much harder. No food, no water, no shelter, no heat, no potatoes from the gardens.
    1. ua0km
      ua0km 22 August 2014 08: 43
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      For five years the USSR fought against the Nazis, did not get tired and won. I understand that the scale is not the same, but the truth must win, otherwise the price is worthless for us in the fight against fascism. I also consider myself an anti-fascist, but I don’t know what I really can do in this situation.
  30. doxtop
    doxtop 21 August 2014 18: 18
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    Quote: Russian Alex
    .

    Yes, this is nothing Churchill Gan Kerrior! )))
    Not a frequent guest in the pictures. :)
  31. special
    special 21 August 2014 18: 52
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    Try to derail the train ... What if it works? wassat
  32. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 21 August 2014 18: 54
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    Nevertheless, there is its own charm in greed and zhlobstvo-Ukrainians have clearly succeeded in this, but for Novorossia this is a blessing in disguise.
  33. reg_edit
    reg_edit 21 August 2014 19: 17
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    Quote: Kars
    I have one. Yes, and it's hard to confuse with anything other than the T-90.

    "The boys moved three or four kilometers away from their own and found a standing tank column in the amount of 18 T-90 tanks!" Igor believes that these were Russian troops - the terrorists had no T-90 tanks. "
    http://politobzor.net/show-29930-kak-gibla-30-ya-brigada-rasskaz-vyzhivshego-ukr
    ainskogo-soldata-v-myasorubke.html (sorry that from the same resource)
    Here, it’s evident that this Igor confused.
  34. ua0km
    ua0km 22 August 2014 08: 39
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    I know where there are a lot of tires, almost for nothing with the price and volumes we will solve.