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Appeal to the Russians. Letter from Dnepropetrovsk

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I went over the Internet and found what I found there. It will be useful for us to know what people in Dnepropetrovsk themselves think about everything that is happening in Ukraine.


Appeal to the Russians. Letter from Dnepropetrovsk


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"... First, about the situation, in general. Moods in the Southeast are waiting, there are relatively few activists on both sides of the conflict. These are not network activists," mouse and keyboard fighters ", but those who can , wants and acts in real life. Ethnic Ukrainians of the Southeast as a whole are behind the junta, are neutral at best, Russians are sharply opposed. But all these “for” and “against” do not yet go beyond kitchens and conversations among friends and work.

Active people make porridge, make history, the masses are connected in the following stages, there is nothing new here. The dynamics are such that the masses will soon join the conflict, and this will not be due to bloody excesses, but for purely economic reasons. On an empty stomach, the man in the street thinks better.

Maydanschiki. Those who support the Maidan, make an impression of completely inadequate, rageless mosseks, lowered from the leash. Any civilized dialogue and attempt to understand the situation calmly, with the help of logic and arguments to explain the essence of the processes occurring in Ukraine, cause them to have a fit of hysteria. Therefore, now there are many conflict situations in everyday life.

The information war against the junta in Ukraine is currently lost by us, at least some truth can be learned from the Internet, which is far from everyone. In general, “Internet users” are young people who are for the coup, and very often they support the most radical and frostbitten, of the same right-wing members. What to do, youthful maximalism.

A part of the population is saved from brainwashing by satellite TV, which few also have (the main sample is widespread. In the private sector, cable TV mostly works in high-rise buildings, but Russian channels, as you know, have already cut off). The zombies of the population are capital, judging by their acquaintances and neighbors. Putschists, their media, act brazenly, assertively and in conditions of no alternative, naturally win.

As a result, at the moment, the population of not only Western Ukraine, but even in the South-East is negative towards Russia, at best neutral. This is with regard to local Ukrainians. There is no need to harbor any illusions, the centenary Ukrainization bore fruit, the myth of the brotherly people has been completely dispelled. However, for the time being there is a significant part of Ukrainians (those who are from mixed families, have worked for a long time or studied in Russia) who are pro-Russian, there are no less than local Russians. So not everything is so bad, “if that”, there is someone to rely on.

The Russians, of course, have always been, are and will be for reunification with Russia and are now waiting for help from Russia and real steps on the part of the Kremlin to protect the world's largest Russian diaspora. Another point is that those who speak for the camera on behalf of the Russians beat themselves in the chest “nobody oppresses us here,” it's all bought fools (oligarchs allocate huge amounts of money to anti-Russian propaganda), often local Jews, I know for sure from my acquaintances . Many Jews have not yet understood that they are with the Russians in the same boat, and wagging their tail, curtsying "both yours and ours" (ala Dopa and Gepa) will not work for a long time. For the sake of interest, at least the Bandera / Pravosekov forums read that “revolutions” are going to do with them. Looks like the recent history of the Jews has not learned anything.

Now among the Russian and Russian-speaking (pro-Russian) Ukrainians living in Ukraine, one of the main problems is the organization of resistance of the junta that came to power. We do not have a single political force; there is no single ideological platform either. People are disconnected and confused. In Russia, they should understand and draw conclusions that it could not have been otherwise, the Kremlin spat 23, from a high bell tower on the Russians in Ukraine, and now they are waiting for a miracle that the Russians here quickly self-organize and throw the junta themselves. Blessed is he who believes. I hope that now the situation has changed dramatically, there is nowhere else to betray and retreat.

Without informational and financial assistance from outside, any form of protest will be crushed here within a month: a couple of weeks is enough for mobilization, grinding of units and initial training of national guardsmen, and then a tough sweep of the South-East collected by the SBU and kindly provided by the Natsik. . Kharkiv and Donetsk are only the beginning and an easy warm-up, any manifestations of disagreement, not to mention separatism, will be destroyed at the root. Lyashko and Sasha Muzychko are not exceptions, this is the rule, everything is there, there is even worse, take a word.

You probably noticed, the compromises do not go on a single issue, not on language, not on referendum, nor on federalization. But in this fanaticism their weakness, thanks to their foolishness, they have already lost the Crimea, I believe and hope - they will also lose Southeast. But in this situation, you need to act subtly.

In Russia, sentiments in Ukraine are poorly understood now; I looked at Russian television channels for the sake of interest, there the presentation of information is generally correct, but wrong conclusions are being drawn. In runet is the same. No Russian troops need to enter now. Even those who are neutral and are only beginning to see clearly where the putschists are leading the country will perceive this as an invasion and aggression. It is necessary to act in English, to rely on local forces, first of all the Ukrainian employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the military. It’s still a loyal to Russia environment, there’s someone to work with, but as time goes on, the top officials at an accelerated pace are completely changed to Westerners, even the middle commanders are cleaned, so if you don’t manage to organize a counterrevolution in March or April, then it will be very difficult, and only big blood ... "

"... How are things in Ukraine in terms of preparing for a hypothetical military confrontation with Russia. In this matter, many myths have already accumulated on the Russian side, which will have to be dispelled by facts.
First of all, I want to say about the military mobilization. She's coming here. Hidden, unseen, creaking, but coming. Example. In the Dnepropetrovsk region, the order is given to recruit into the army of seventeen hundred people. A little, but multiply by the number of regions of Ukraine and get a solid figure. In the loyal Western regions, mobilize more and faster, there is a massive Maidan of the Brain, this is understandable.

What is important is the fact of the continued mobilization and coalescence of military units. As it happens in the West and the East, I don’t presume to judge, the mobilization in the Center is tight.

The military commissars tear their hair, by hook or by crook, luring the persons in military service to the army. Hysteria on the Maidan and bravely scribbling in nete, how soon “they will spread the katsapnya on the wall” is one thing, but to go to war, to risk life and health is another, therefore there are no queues near the military registration and enlistment offices. The influx of volunteers or some high activity did not see either on the first day of mobilization, and even more so now. Maybe the situation is different in zapadenschina, but I doubt something strongly about this, there are few fanatics who are ready to die for oligarchy.

As for military equipment and logistics. There is equipment in Ukraine. As it does not seem strange, but not everything has been sold / stolen, much more can ride and even fly. Kharkov tank the Malyshev plant can quickly repair and upgrade existing armored vehicles, and there are many of them in Ukraine. For the same purposes, you can use factories in Kiev and Nikolaev. With rifle weapons There are no problems in Ukraine. Combat ready aviation few, but it is also there, and shock and fighter. Its small size and poor training of pilots are compensated by air defense systems, including MANPADS. Specialists of PMCs can provide logistics, the same goes for the development of military operations.

Many people do not know, but most PMCs are not focused on training and “supplying” militants, but on providing other services, primarily an organizational plan. The heads of the Ukrainian generals are sharpened for anything, just not for the performance of their direct duties, foreign "friends" from NATO and PMCs can compensate for this flaw. Such a Ukrainian army, such “fighters” will confront the Russian army in the event of a conflict. It’s impossible to say that this is a strong army, that it’s too weak and not capable, so I recommend uankozakidateli to temper their ardor and realize that the war, the invasion of Ukraine is an extreme measure and now it’s necessary to focus on local pro-Russian forces. It takes time to organize, establish connections, at least a month.

Another thing created by the National Guard under, but about her a little later. Now about what is being mobilized. Obviously, not for an attack on the Crimea, because even the latest Hutsul swineherd is clear that this will be suicide for both the Ukrainian army and the current regime. Troops in the regions bordering the Crimea are being built up exclusively for defense. The logic of the coup is absolutely correct. Those who have been to Crimea know well the main problem and weak point of the peninsula. This is WATER, or rather its absence. Everyone understands that in the event of water supply being cut off, and it is technically quite simple to do this by blocking the locks, the Crimea will not last even two months.

What Aksenov says about the control over the situation, about some pipelines from Kuban, is all fantasy. Apparently, Crimeans intend to expand their sphere of influence to the North, it is a matter of life and death, there are no options here. Therefore, no one in the Kuban canals digs in the direction of the Crimea, does not import pipes, and does not build pumping stations. The Crimea may, on the strength of a blockade, last for half a year on reserve and imported water, diesel power generators and humanitarian aid. This is not an option, and this is understood not only in the Crimea, but also in Kiev. The UA grouping in the Black Sea coast is being built up exclusively for blockade or deaf defense, if provocation is organized in the Crimea in order to unleash an armed conflict.

For the same purposes, in three regions: Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson, a total inspection of trains and vehicles leaving the Crimea is being carried out. Extinguish any manifestations of discontent with the locals. It must be admitted that for the Kiev junta this is the only correct tactic. Formally, they do not break anything, do not attack anyone. Public opinion, if Russia attacks, will generally be on their side. But the Crimea will be stifled, no matter what Aksenov sang, saying that "it is unprofitable for Ukraine." You would think that “there” everyone measures by financial gain. Therefore, the army group in the Black Sea region will be increased and strengthened by the most combat-ready units, including on the border with Transnistria - why, I think, and so it is understandable.

Now about Natsik, I mean the "National Guard of Ukraine." The fact that it was originally sharpened to perform punitive-protective functions has already been said enough, but the fact that this is actually the legalization of maydanovsky militants has so far been mentioned in passing. I want to note that these same Maydanovsky militants still do not represent a single force. They have different goals, sometimes diametrically opposed. "Right Sector", "Self-Defense Maidan" (the most numerous grouping), "Common cause" and "Warriors of Narnia" have different commanders, sponsors, ideologies and tasks.

The only way to smooth out the existing contradictions, which are already pouring into armed clashes, is possible only within the framework of a single structure, which the National Guard is intended to become. Therefore, the creation of NG is caused not only and not so much by the need for militants (they already are), in their training (they are quite suitable for punitive functions), but with the goal of subordinating this motley rabble to a single command, thereby ending the Makhnovshchina and atamanism. As can be seen, in this case the coup act absolutely correctly and adequately to the situation, which cannot be said about the actions of the Kremlin, which acts spontaneously and reflexively.

Of course, you can fantasize about some mysterious “cunning plan of Putin”, which has a trump card, but now it is obvious that the opponent has the initiative. And the victory in the Crimea is not the merit of Putin and Co., but above all the merit of the Crimeans who took the initiative. Putin's “foresight” is Chernomyrdin and Zurabov, this is drinking and eating at buffet receptions in honor of the abstract “Russian-Ukrainian friendship” of tens of millions of budget money that were not given in principle to numerous pro-Russian organizations of Ukraine, this is the direct and indirect economic support of the Russophobic leadership of Ukraine, all 23 years of existence of this understate.

Therefore, hats and capsies prevailing in Russia, we who live in Ukraine are not entirely clear. It is not clear how the Crimea problem will be solved if it is isolated (there are already problems in the banking sector, and this is just the beginning) that they are going to undertake in Russia to protect the Russian Southeast, except for the next "expression of the deepest concern" by the Russian Foreign Ministry and much more.

Russia is now hardly using the economic levers of pressure on the putschists. The free (unpaid) gas still shushes through pipes to Ukraine, cooperation continues in the military-industrial complex, contracts with local producers are not broken, in fact, direct and indirect sponsorship of the Ukrainian economy continues. The best way to visually show what a fake “independence” of Ukraine costs is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months. The Russians will survive this, do not be afraid for us, but for the fans of “separatism” this will be a good, clear lesson. The best way to teach a fool a lesson is to leave it to yourself. Having enjoyed real independence, those who are now loudest at the Maidan are bringing the bag with the heads of Sasha Bely, Pyagnyboka and Lyashko to the Russian border. There are no idiots to heat the 21 century in the house with wood and dry dung.

As in the case of the Crimea, the hope remains for the mistakes of the Kiev junta, for their provocations, foolishness and inability / unwillingness to compromise. So far, our strength, for the most part, is in their weaknesses and shortcomings. This is bad, this lag in pace, but at the moment, not only the Kremlin contributes to the awakening and consolidation of the South-East, but to the authorities of Kiev and the armed gangs of Yaroshjugend.
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  1. moremansf
    moremansf 20 March 2014 13: 07
    +15
    Everything should be the will of the people ... and only then ....
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 20 March 2014 13: 29
      +16
      But sometimes this will needs to be foreseen ... and directed in the right direction. But very polite laughing
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 March 2014 14: 40
        +28
        I carefully read ... Minusanul without hesitation ... The article is a flip-flop ... It seems to be correctly written, but ... I remembered two cases from life ... Somehow I was walking down the street, the car was stuck in a snowdrift ... A guy asks the driver- Help ... They pushed out, thank you said ... And once again the case ... I am walking down the street, I see men kicking a woman lying on the pavement ... Well, I charged him with all my heart .. I raised my aunt, and she let's yell-You attacked me and my husband ... And other ... Since then, I decided that I help only those who ask ...
        1. Ross
          Ross 20 March 2014 15: 07
          +1
          Article a week ago
          1. zzz
            zzz 20 March 2014 20: 59
            0
            But today I found this video on another site
        2. Hamul
          Hamul 20 March 2014 15: 18
          +6
          Dear - I support. I had such a situevina in Stavropol - a man in the center of the city beats a young girl - I come up - some kind of national (supposedly Armenian), a Russian girl. I’m in his ear, with pleasure - and the girl - "Run the girl - nefig to mess with non-Russians Slavic woman" - and she attacked me.
          It’s called don’t do good - you’ll smear it with shit. Also with NOT fallow.

          To what is written Tipo in the article minus the huge - on submission of information.

          And the actions of the Russian Federation - millet to wait - the people of Scha knots around the neck / belts will tighten - that’s the merciless riots - Putin doesn’t even need to do anything, but the Army of Urkaina + the National Guard - they will eat money. The money will settle at the oligarchs and abroad .. and still ahead of the sowing ... etc.
        3. A TYPE
          A TYPE 20 March 2014 15: 22
          +23
          Knowing from the inside the mentality of the suburban population, I am sure that the most terrible weapon will be the Russian size of pensions and salaries for Crimeans in April. And in Banderstadt they will be told that they are purebred Russians.
          1. sovety
            sovety 20 March 2014 18: 42
            0
            We do not comment on nonsense! laughing
        4. Curculum
          Curculum 20 March 2014 15: 44
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Read carefully ... Minusanul without hesitation

          Similarly, after the words
          Ethnic Ukrainians Southeast
          immediately before my eyes the builders of the pyramids appeared - "ancient uskry", so I read further.
          (there are already problems in the banking sector, and this is only the beginning)

          people have no idea what the "principles of interbank office work" are and what it means to readjust the "payment server" for the Bank of Russia (not to mention such trifles as ATMs), but that's all - solvable problems, and not in such a long period of time, approximately - 2 weeks maximum. Moreover, the payment system of Ukraine is almost identical to the Russian Federation. But the author submits this in a frightening manner, as if the problems would only grow.
          The apotheosis of the author's belching is
          but at the moment, the Kremlin is not so much contributing to the awakening and consolidation of the Southeast

          In general - a semi-poker article of hrenalitics.
          1. Retx
            Retx 20 March 2014 16: 33
            +2
            I especially liked the water. "To deprive Crimea of ​​water" - according to UN rules, blocking rivers and water resources is equivalent to military action. This is the reason for the operation.
            1. tomket
              tomket 20 March 2014 20: 10
              +3
              Israel didn’t stand on ceremony when the Arabs wanted to block the water from them, they shot them from tanks, and for those, the desire to change the riverbed quickly disappeared.
          2. Sergh
            Sergh 20 March 2014 16: 38
            +6
            Quote: Kurkul
            In general - a half-poker article of hrenalitics

            Ha, and I, too, I read, I read, I think, what kind of hodgepodge is such an Eprst? And then look !? And this is the St. Petersburg blogger El Murid i.e. Anatoly Evgenievich Nesmiyan, who knows everything, everywhere and about everyone, all over the world. I’ve been watching him for a long time, at one time he piled a lot of horror about Syria, in short, I would simply describe it as a PANICIER. Well, I will not be superfluous, you yourself read about it in the internet.

        5. pensioner
          pensioner 20 March 2014 17: 24
          0
          Quote: domokl
          I’m walking along the street, I see men kicking a woman lying on the pavement ... Well, I charged him with all my heart .. I lifted my aunt, and she let's yell, you attacked me and my husband ... And other ...

          A similar case was in Sverdlovsk in the 84th. yes A friend helped - the foreman of the special battalion of police. Or he could sit down ...
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 20 March 2014 17: 37
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Read carefully ... Minusanul without hesitation ...

          I agree.
          Went very clever articles, such delicious cakes with a good dose of hydrocyanic acid.
          Evaluations of such articles speak only about one thing _ Unfortunately, forum users are not used to the fact that truth interferes with lies.
          Here's an example _
          Russia now almost does not engage the economic levers of pressure on the putschists. Free (unpaid) gas continues to be piped to Ukraine, cooperation in the military-industrial complex continues, contracts with local producers are not broken, in fact, direct and indirect sponsorship of the Ukrainian economy continues. The best way to clearly show what the fake "independence" of Ukraine is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months. The Russians will survive this, do not be afraid for us, but for the fans of "self-determination" it will be a good, clear lesson.

          Whom do you respect dear? Bandera?
      2. VAF
        VAF 20 March 2014 17: 20
        +2
        Quote: Salamander
        But sometimes this will needs to be foreseen ... and directed in the right direction.


        It seems like it’s right, but is there any feeling that once again on a hump of someone else you can enter paradise?
        I wanted to put a minus to the article, but this paragraph: "Russia now almost does not use economic levers of pressure on the putschists. Free (unpaid) gas is still poking through pipes to Ukraine, cooperation in the military-industrial complex continues, contracts with local producers have not been broken, in fact, direct and indirect sponsorship of the Ukrainian economy continues. a way to visually show what the fake "independence" of Ukraine is worth - is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months. The Russians will survive this, don't be afraid for us, but for fans of "independence" it will be a good, visual lesson. The best way to teach a fool a lesson is is to leave it to yourself"so to speak .. stopped .. therefore neither - nor + request
        After all, it is written here is true! soldier

        And so ... thank you ... help ... visa regime. 3 million unemployed Ukrainians returning to their homeland ... well .... that 34 million is not enough?

        And where are the vaunted Donetsk miners who appeared on TV .. we’ll get them now, we’ll only get out of the mines, well ????
        Where is your "hero" Tsarev? That we have on all show-TV, then in the Crimea ... and what about the head of something protest ?.

        It is clear that 80% of Ukrainians have brains ... with salome ... do not be offended, but it is!
        But when the fascists will hang you by the balls ... then we’ll look at you. Then write.
        And so they gave the country to be torn apart by 15-18-year-old "bastards", you do not want to do anything yourself ..., in general, I look, I talk .. honestly .. bitter! soldier
        1. sniper
          sniper 20 March 2014 20: 27
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          ..grieved!

          Hi, Sergey, I completely agree with you, I have already written more than once, but I have to repeat myself ... Only Ukrainians can decide their fate and the introduction of troops at this stage of time would be a mistake. Crimea self-organized and asked for help - they provided help, but it was already a STATE, albeit unrecognized ... And what about the southeast? They cannot even protect their leaders ... What are they really calculating, how to always go to work in the mines, and get out in the bright future ??? But this doesn’t even happen in fairy tales ... Well, on the weekend to get together to rally, fill the faces of the banderlogs that come across and go back to work tomorrow, this is not a fight, but weekend tourism ...
          1. GP
            GP 20 March 2014 20: 41
            +1
            Quote: sniper
            Well, on the weekend, get together to rally, fill the faces of the banderlogs that come across and go back to work tomorrow, so this is not a fight, but weekend tourism ...


            This is already a lot! What are the options for working people? Work and protest, sabotage, push, pull over the undecided, especially young people, what else can be done when forcibly remodel, distort, distort?
            1. sniper
              sniper 20 March 2014 21: 49
              +1
              Quote: GP
              This is already a lot!

              A lot of course ... But it’s not enough, well, Russia can’t solve the problems
              in Ukraine by force, how much can be written about this ... It’s another matter that the Crimean Polite People, dispersed Golden Eagle, other Ukrainian patriots can help in the southeast, but only the Ukrainians themselves can decide the fate of the regions, and Russia will help them to keep what they have achieved. .. the only way in my opinion ...
      3. Sma11
        Sma11 20 March 2014 17: 47
        0
        Retired Major General of the FSB of the Russian Federation Yevgeny Lobachev told Pravda. Ru, how and when Russia will be able to stand up for the people's governor of Donbass Gubarev.

        - Will Pavel Gubarev, the “people's governor” of Donbass, be pulled out and saved? Now he is in a coma. Can Russia do something?


        - The development of events, behavior and decisions, the method of presenting the public on the part of our government and Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin gives a clear idea that we were ready for this situation. And most importantly, they were not just ready, but constantly watched her both from the outside and from the inside. Exactly at that moment, which was the most favorable for the speech, ours came out. I say this so that you can imagine the nature of the interaction between us and the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine.

        I am convinced that we are now ready for what is happening there. We just wait until the moment when it becomes absolutely clear that any force impact on our part will be on time and lawfully, which is the most important thing. Therefore, the hope that the guy will be pulled out, I have.

        But there is one small detail: I, like most people around the world, count on normal people, and now there are scumbags, not just fascists, but fascist bandits. Of course, anything can happen. But the fact that they just can’t get away with it, firstly, and secondly, that ours will seek a way to influence and intervene, does not cause any doubt.

        - Will Russia continue to protect the interests of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine, the Russian people, which became the largest divided people in the world?


        “Yes, I'm sure of that.” I emphasize once again - the only thing that awaits us is the moment when it will be possible to intervene without violating international law and elementary decency, that’s all. Will necessarily intervene. Watch carefully for the situation. As soon as the military actions on the part of the so-called "national guard" begin, then they will receive "by the horns" instantly throughout Ukraine.

        http://rusinform.net/general-major-fsb-v-otstavke-nashi-zhdut-momenta-kogda-mozh
        no-budet-vmeshatsya-ne-narushaya-mezhdunarodnogo-zakonodatelstva /
    2. acute
      acute 20 March 2014 13: 30
      +28
      This is not an article, but some kind of horror story for those who want to "attack" the independent one. Who told you that the armies will be sent to the east of Ukraine ?. Why are you scaring the people, and besides, you urge "you need to faster, otherwise you will be late? A provocation, not an article. The factories are repairing equipment, NATO is leading the troops. Well, okay, the people are either against it or simply keep silent. You do not fuss and live in peace. you get it, just it is not clear from your opus, what are you calling us to your place or will you pass by ?. Guys, this is your country, stir your rolls, as you do, it will be
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 13: 40
        +17
        I agree, the author is just a provocateur. Yes, and poorly thinking.

        There are few combat-ready aircraft, but they are also there, both strike and fighter. Its small number and poor training of pilots are compensated by air defense systems, including MANPADS. Specialists of PMCs can provide logistics, the same goes for the development of military operations.

        Flightless pilots, unrepaired aircraft - is this a strike force? Yes, I beg you, I personally watched the Mariupol airfield, there are only signs "Reception of non-ferrous metal" there. Rust and junk. 70 percent.

        Air defense of Ukraine - where is it? What is this about? Is it about the troops that, after a "successful" hit on a passenger plane, have not made a single launch for the entire time?

        Stop scaring Russian hedgehogs PMCs. There is no doubt, they are cool guys, but with a ratio of 1 to 10, 000 will not work.

        The article sucks. The author writes in the topic "Russians, help, or it will be too late!. And he himself will sit at home and wait for our guys to do everything for people like him. No ice ...
        1. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather 20 March 2014 14: 06
          +20
          Quote: Banshee
          Air defense of Ukraine - where is it? What is this about? Is it about the troops that, after a "successful" hit on a passenger plane, have not made a single launch for the entire time?

          Ukrainian air defense - this is our downed aircraft 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX
          1. stappler
            stappler 20 March 2014 15: 40
            -1
            I completely agree...
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 20 March 2014 16: 51
              +1
              Quote: Native grandfather
              Ukrainian air defense - this is our downed aircraft 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX

              These "Buki" Yusch removed from Kiev from combat duty together with people. They were probably the only ones capable of fighting at that time, where after the announcement (defeat of Mishiko) of this deal a scandal erupted in the Kiev parliament, but then the business was quietly hushed up.
        2. huut
          huut 20 March 2014 14: 16
          +18
          This is the author who mentions such hatred. You’re already mentally fighting in Ukraine with might and main, you already defeated everyone, shot, outweighed, etc.
          In Crimea, almost 100% turned out to be pro-Russian (according to the referendum), and even that turned out to be stubborn military men, who were somehow pulled out of military units. And what would happen in the Southeast in this situation? There the percentage of pro-Russianness is lower, which means there will be more stubborn ones, and therefore the likelihood of a military conflict is higher. But here we have already mentally crushed everyone, the victims themselves have not suffered and the threat of underground resistance in the event of a military decision is not taken into account at all. Uncover more and more new hats, and throw them higher.
          Of course, in military terms, you can’t compare Ukraine and Russia, only war is not needed - just one clash between the troops and some Ukrainians, even Russians, will immediately recoil from us, and then it’s so inflated that we will be forced to take the whole country instead of hats for weapons, and with lesser force we will not fight against Europe and America, who joyfully begin to solve their problems at our expense. At the expense of our lives. Continue mentally fighting the Ukrainian army, and we will come to this.

          Themselves to the holes wiped out here the phrase that "it is not technology, but man who is fighting." Well, let's say they don't have technical standards there, but people stayed. So they will just start fighting if we continue to spit on them, but look down on them, calling them non-combatants. And I do not mean the Westerners, they will fight in any scenario (except, maybe one), I mean those who hesitate and do not understand how to deal with the oath and similar dilemmas. And we are pushing them to confrontation with such sentiments - they must prove that they are not shit, as all sorts of "skorokhvats" think about them, but people. And there is also an ordinary soldier stupidly locked by orders of commanders in units. They can even shoot at the beginning, on the orders of some "confused" or "proving". Not only they will be guilty of this, but also all sorts of Russian talkers, who cannot see beyond their own noses, but who want to be "on a white horse, with a saber, so that stripes ... and a chest in orders ... and Shoigu personally ..."

          You are told that you need to decide peacefully. Adjust your plans for military victories with the word "peaceful".
          1. huut
            huut 20 March 2014 15: 06
            0
            The article, in fact, translates into a demand to provide them with a leader, but their own have not been revealed. And supply the pro-Russian organizations with money and work plans.
            If the second is still possible to give birth, then a full-fledged leader is so easy not to get out of his pocket, but it is desirable that he be a local ...

            These requirements should also be linked to the plans of the RF leadership. What are our "heads" plans? I dont know.
            You can judge by official statements and taking into account Putin’s manner of doing business. His manner was peaceful and diplomatic, at least earlier. Maybe his style is generally adaptive, and what was previously no longer the case, then you should not judge his plans for previous cases ... But let's say, peace and diplomacy. Putin says that it is necessary to peacefully, it is necessary to leave Ukraine whole, troops only to prevent obvious aggression against the civilian population.
            With such a wait-and-see strategy, three scenarios can turn out:
            First: With the deterioration of the economy and social sphere, the percentage of people "for Russia" will increase, and the regions will more quickly and happily pass under our leadership. This is a good option.
            Second: The same thing, they just will not transfer, but will receive greater independence as part of Ukraine. This is if the authorities in Kiev completely give up and more or less adequate people come in their place.
            Third: As in the first, but the desire to go will be suppressed by Ukraine brutally and bloody. In this case, troops will come in handy, which I will no longer enter as a result of caps, but for a real reason. This option is bad, from the point of view of an ordinary person, because it is bloody.
            And in terms of politics? I do not think that Putin seeks victims from any direction, but this is one of the options for a wait-and-see strategy.
            None of the options is needed, in principle, a strong regional leader. In the first version, it will be too independent, in the second it will interfere with negotiating with Kiev (although this will be tolerable), in the third - it is all the more unnecessary, the troops will decide everything.
            So, maybe they don’t worry about the leader because he is not needed according to the plan. It will appear - okay, there is none - and it is not necessary, it is provided. Still to know our plans ...

            And information sources work as they can. How to broadcast if cable channels are cut off? He says that few people have plates - should we buy them plates or what? Few people have the Internet - how to act in the case of plates? What else - flyers from airplanes, loudspeakers on the border and the dissolution of rumors through grandmothers? The author’s desires are fair, but everything that can be done, it seems to me, has been done - the majority in Russia are for Russian Ukraine. In Ukraine, half is against it, that’s the problem ... And if we have a wait-and-see strategy according to our plan, it can lead, in fact, to an increase in the percentage of the population that we need. The worse it is, the better for us. And they, in the end, too.

            In general, the author’s appeal is understandable, but with a sober analysis, too many white spots pop up, which does not completely understand the situation.
            And when not sober - * took out earflaps, left the ceiling *
          2. stappler
            stappler 20 March 2014 15: 37
            +1
            one hundred percent ... but here everything is cool, but they have everything shit, with brave Georgians and then at the beginning somehow, without remembering the Czechs ...
        3. Horst78
          Horst78 20 March 2014 14: 35
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          I agree, the author is just a provocateur. Yes, and poorly thinking.
          So I got some kind of bad feeling. It seems like "You are great", but you are "Fools", and the junta is "Smart".
          1. stappler
            stappler 20 March 2014 15: 41
            0
            - and so it is ... at least it looks like this ...
        4. indeveral
          indeveral 20 March 2014 14: 36
          0
          And about air defense, you are in vain. Yes, her preparation is much worse than Russian. But remember who shot down our planes in 2008 in Georgia. Ukrainian mercenaries. And again, they set the complexes.
        5. Walking
          Walking 20 March 2014 15: 17
          0
          The Kremlin for 23 years spit on Russian Ukraine? And as always, Russia is to blame, but it was poorly organized? All this rhetoric, come save me already tired of at least do something yourself. Crimeans fellows wanted, done.
        6. stappler
          stappler 20 March 2014 15: 32
          +6
          warriors. ... with one airborne regiment ..., the Czechs in 94 had 15 l-39s, and if it weren’t for the FSB with the purchase of colormetals, can you imagine bombing a residential quarter in Krasnodar, how many non-combatants would die, Chechnya taught nothing to anyone, but here far from Chechnya and not even brave Georgians, one must look soberly at things, four (official) shot down over Georgia is what, whose complexes are Ukrainian complexes.
          Hooray!!! we’ll throw all the caps ..., the author writes that the Russians must be knocked together there
          into a normal column, and not rely on the oligarchic circles of the Southeast (for example, Yanukovych). this is the essence of the article, and not in calculating the combat potential.
          now they are winning with fifth columns and sensible intelligence services, not tank wedges ...
      2. Stalnov I.P.
        Stalnov I.P. 20 March 2014 14: 05
        +10
        I think he correctly says that it’s time to form the West Column 5 in Ukraine and it’s time for us to support pro-Russian forces to do this quickly, accurately, unobtrusively and efficiently; however, the analysts in the relevant services think that we won’t go anywhere, we must work comrades.
      3. SuperVodka777
        SuperVodka777 20 March 2014 14: 30
        +2
        A friend told me that military equipment armored personnel carriers arrive in Liptsy (this is near Kharkov), the soldiers really have nothing to eat and they sleep under the armored personnel carriers on asphalt.
      4. Mhpv
        Mhpv 20 March 2014 14: 34
        +3
        Quote: akut
        This is not an article, but some kind of horror story for those who want to "attack" the independent one.

        Yaroslavna cry some kind.
        The author decided to give a couple of lessons and tips to Putin on how to act in Ukraine?
        23 years, the Kremlin spat from a high bell tower in Russian Ukraine

        Over these 23 years, Russia survived two Chechen companies, the Georgian war, dozens of terrorist attacks, the dashing 90s, repaid the debts of the USSR, and Ukraine, spitting seeds, watched TV and sawed its enterprises for scrap, looking at the West and wagging its tail, and now Russia is to blame for did not feed the Ukrainian oligarchs, so as not to arrange Maidans, sold "expensive gas" for which the inhabitants of Russia pay more than the Ukrainians (expensive gas was just simply again for the Ukrainian oligarchs).
        On an empty stomach, the average person’s brains think better.

        Well-fed lazy man wink
        You can of course fantasize about some mysterious "cunning plan of Putin"

        Do not fantasize so violently.
        And the victory in Crimea is not the merit of Putin and Co., but, first of all, the merit of the Crimeans who took the initiative

        Mostly only the Western and Ukrainian media shout about this, and people who understand understand that in this situation, Putin simply reacted with lightning speed to the envy of Obama and the Rada.
        Without Crimea, Ukraine is not needed by the states or the EU, and it will be "so don't get to anyone," and Ukraine will face the fate of Syria, so see for yourself quickly, self-organize, first of all, your land and your life.
        1. stappler
          stappler 20 March 2014 15: 46
          0
          - that's right ... and yet you need to support yours - purposefully, and you had to start at least in 2004, otherwise you believed Yanukovych, and he climbed into a chair and started yelling even more than all the European integrators put together ..., and the people who still somehow look our way hostage remained ....
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 20 March 2014 16: 59
          0
          Quote: mhpv
          Over these 23 years, Russia survived two Chechen companies, the Georgian war, dozens of terrorist attacks, the dashing 90s, repaid the debts of the USSR, and Ukraine, spitting seeds, watched TV and sawed its enterprises for scrap, looking at the West and wagging its tail, and now Russia is to blame for did not feed the Ukrainian oligarchs, so as not to arrange Maidans, sold "expensive gas" for which the inhabitants of Russia pay more than the Ukrainians (expensive gas was just simply again for the Ukrainian oligarchs).

          Hello, what are you talking about? There's an elder in Kiev's garden, uncle. What does it have to do with the oligarchs, gas, cut plants, seeds and other husks? them against Russia and the Russians. This is with complete non-resistance of the local authorities. They prepared these monsters from the Galician pro-Ukrainian elements. Now, when the hour "Ch" came, they seized power in Ukraine and led an openly Russophobic policy. The Russian and Russian-speaking population of Ukraine was not ready for This turn of events. And now, when help is really needed, the answer sounds: "Yes, you yourself organize, beat the reptiles in the tail and mane, drive them to hell, then we will help you." The class is in power, militants, armed, trained and organized for 23 years, and they must be confronted by the population with bare hands on bird rights. Or maybe real victims are needed from the Russians, then only there will be support? I would not like to think so.
          1. sniper
            sniper 20 March 2014 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            And maybe real sacrifices are needed from the Russians, then only there will be support? I would not want to think so.

            But in the case of the introduction of troops, there will be casualties, and not small ... I do not say that these will be the victims of our soldiers, but they will be attributed to us ... And then there will definitely be no people loyal to the Russians in Ukraine ...
          2. Mhpv
            Mhpv 21 March 2014 12: 16
            0
            Quote: revnagan
            Hello, what are you talking about? In the elderberry garden, in Kiev, uncle.

            What did you mean?
            In your opinion, if children grew up unnatural, then the kindergarten, school and Russia are to blame, but not their parents? Why do Caucasians who grew up in the same Russia don’t forget their traditions, that they give their homeland money so they don’t forget? No, parents primarily educate and instill love and to historical roots, and Russia has left you.
            Quote: revnagan
            Class-in-power militants armed, trained and organized over the 23 year, and they should be confronted by a population with bare hands on bird rights

            And where did they get the weapons? I hope you don’t know and don’t say what the West gave them, they fought with firecrackers and sticks for two months.

            Quote: revnagan
            Or maybe we need real sacrifices from the Russians, then only there will be support?

            It seems that you yourself are waiting for the victims more so that they stand up for you.
      5. tungus
        tungus 20 March 2014 15: 06
        +4
        Quote: akut
        This is not an article, but some kind of horror story for those who want to "attack" the independent one. Who told you that the armies will be sent to the east of Ukraine ?.

        The article is clearly superficial in terms of Russia's actions and plans. Nobody really will enter the army. In any case, without much reason. She was not officially introduced to the Crimea either.
        Now Ukraine will be pressured financially and politically. In terms of finance, the following information has passed:
        Market participants informed that yesterday, at midnight Russian time, Russia completely closed its borders for Ukrainian products. This was reported by APK-Inform. According to representatives of Ukrainian transport companies, cars with Ukrainian products are not allowed to enter the customs points of the Russian Federation. At the same time, no explanations are provided to the carriers.

        This is just the first step. In Russia, they began to arrest the accounts of companies of Ukrainian oligarchs. Roshen in Lipetsk, for example. They began to block the work of Ukrainian banks in Russia. The gas was not cut off only because the Germans had assured that they would quickly allocate money to Ukraine to pay off the gas debt.
        In fact, there is pressure from all sides. The junta has enough money for a week or two. Then the famine will begin.
        As for the Ukrainian army, the same problems exist here. Yes, the oligarchs dropped, refueled tanks and paid for mobilization. And then what? People need to be fed, organized, repaired, as half of those who have advanced to their destinations have not reached. For some long time the army will not be able to exist in such a regime, just the oligarchs will not have enough money, especially taking into account the border crossing for Ukrainian goods.
        If Kiev decides to impose a blockade of the Crimea, then here is the nuance:
        De jure Crimea is already Russian. And there live Russian citizens. And any attempt to block the Crimea will be interpreted as a declaration of war on Russia.
        And no NATO will shake for Ukraine. Protection of its citizens implies any action against the aggressor. And the blockade of Crimea, especially the water blockade, is aggression. Therefore, immediately after such steps, the Dnieper canal will be taken under control by Russian troops. And as a result, part of the Kherson region. And the hunt will begin on the junta. And in Kiev, though stupid people are sitting, they understand this. They didn’t take power there for the sake of Ukraine, but to cut loot. And therefore, when the loot is so close, no one will want to die. They will bargain. And this is good. Because time works for us.
        1. Burmistr
          Burmistr 20 March 2014 17: 27
          -1
          In Russia, they began to arrest the accounts of companies of Ukrainian oligarchs. Roshen in Lipetsk, for example. They began to block the work of Ukrainian banks in Russia. The gas was not cut off only because the Germans had assured that they would quickly allocate money to Ukraine to pay off the gas debt.


          How plausible is this?

          And no NATO will shake for Ukraine.


          But let me disagree with this. The Americans need war. Such a fucking turn of events cannot be ruled out either.
      6. stappler
        stappler 20 March 2014 15: 19
        0
        where did he write about the introduction of troops? horror story? - 20 years, no one has spent a ruble on the Russians, isn't it? and now we have what we have: young people, even in the east, even in the west, "beat her", we have already lost their country and will soon call them goats for the fact that a radar appeared near Kharkov about, oh, and I don't want to write " ... yes we are one regiment of the airborne forces ... to which everything is oak.Article in one hundred percent plus ... in our time, not with tanks, but with fifth columns and special services ...
        1. acute
          acute 20 March 2014 15: 40
          0
          have you read the article at all ?. Why does the author write about any plans to cut off Crimea from the mainland? Why does he describe how well the service in the Ukrainian Armed Forces is? Why does he write about when it will be late? What's late ?. Read what is written. Of course, the horror story writes and scares about what will happen. I do not want to send Russian troops into Ukraine. But I don't scare anyone either. Yes, everyone knows the facts, what can happen, but there is no need for appeals under the slogan, otherwise it will be too late, because ....... I do not write "let's disperse and beat." That it grew up there. This is bad for Russia, but it does not mean that we have to go tomorrow and fight Ukraine, because the American radar near Kharkov will interfere with us. Eh you would-be warriors, when did you see the war?
          1. acute
            acute 20 March 2014 15: 41
            +1
            And fight with fifth or sixth columns
      7. DEfindER
        DEfindER 20 March 2014 15: 57
        0
        Quote: akut
        This is not an article, but some kind of horror story for those who want to "attack" the independent one.

        Yes, the article has some sort of crumpled meaning, as if several people wrote with different views ..
        Questions were asked about the South East, but no answers were given what to do, and the answer is obvious - the people need to take power before it’s too late, seize the administration, otherwise the impostors will drag their own people, change the whole Ministry of Internal Affairs and then nothing can be done. People there already hear the western dialect of their policemen .. And if the anti-Maidan movement is suppressed, then you have to come to terms with the status of second-class people, which even kill is no longer considered a crime .. I want to contact the People of the South-East:
        Think now, and make a decision, otherwise it will be too late to think before entering the gas chamber!
    3. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 20 March 2014 14: 02
      +8
      Putin's "foresight" is Chernomyrdin and Zurabov, this is drinking / eating at receptions in honor of the abstract "Russian-Ukrainian friendship" of tens of millions of budget money that were not fundamentally given to numerous pro-Russian organizations of Ukraine, this is direct and indirect economic support for the Russophobic leadership of Ukraine, all 23 years of the existence of this under-state.

      Russia is now hardly using the economic levers of pressure on the putschists. The free (unpaid) gas still shushes through pipes to Ukraine, cooperation continues in the military-industrial complex, contracts with local producers are not broken, in fact, direct and indirect sponsorship of the Ukrainian economy continues. The best way to visually show what a fake “independence” of Ukraine costs is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months. The Russians will survive this, do not be afraid for us, but for the fans of “separatism” this will be a good, clear lesson. The best way to teach a fool a lesson is to leave it to yourself. Having enjoyed real independence, those who are now loudest at the Maidan are bringing the bag with the heads of Sasha Bely, Pyagnyboka and Lyashko to the Russian border. There are no idiots to heat the 21 century in the house with wood and dry dung.

      And here the comrade is right for all 300%.
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 20 March 2014 14: 11
        0
        this is Chernomyrdin and Zurabov
        whatever you say, neither one nor the other did anything ... maybe this was their task?
      2. RND
        RND 20 March 2014 14: 29
        -1
        Quote: Grandfather Native

        And here the comrade is right for all 300%.

        Is he comrade? Read - we have some fools sitting ... Do not be like ...
      3. stappler
        stappler 20 March 2014 15: 49
        -2
        handsome author ..., went through all ... especially our network strategists and tactics who like to count combat potentials ... our tank strategists are interested
        the rod at 60km per hour on plowing was seen at least once ...
      4. huut
        huut 20 March 2014 16: 51
        +1
        Quote: Native grandfather
        And here the comrade is right for all 300%.

        I will not breed pros and cons, just here is the news:
        http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1061466
        What is this if not "economic levers of pressure on the putschists"?
        300% got a little cramped ...
        1. Burmistr
          Burmistr 20 March 2014 17: 32
          0
          The accounts of the Ukrainian confectionery corporation Roshen in Russia are arrested, the company said


          Handsome!
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 20 March 2014 14: 14
      +7
      Quote: moremansf
      Everything should be the will of the people ... and only then ....

      Brothers, if it were not for the "little green men" and "polite people", no will of the people of Crimea would have saved them from the "trains of friendship" from Kiev. Or do you think that in Simferopol or Sevastopol, pro-Russian rallies were more numerous than similar ones in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk and many, many other cities? Is that not the will of the people? Or in Donetsk and Kharkov they "kneaded" the "Maydauns" more humanely than in the Crimea? Do not be so naive, it was the armed people in Crimea that served as a guarantee that the Russian the population will not break in at night Bandera. It was this protection that allowed the residents of Crimea to say to Kiev: “Fuck you ...” And precisely that Crimea is an unsinkable aircraft carrier, and the fact that there are numerous proven reserves of hydrocarbons around it, and that, that the possession of Crimea makes the construction of the South Stream (significantly!) cheaper - all these factors provided the Crimeans with protection from the outside. The rest of the Russian population of Ukraine has nothing of this. Besides the readiness to fight, which was clearly shown by the actions in Donetsk, etc., etc. I won't. But for some reason, no one considered these shares "the will of the people." It seems that only people with a dowry were taken into the family, and those who do not have a shelf are not needed.
      1. stappler
        stappler 20 March 2014 15: 59
        0
        there is no large oligarchy in the Crimea, it does not have to be considered, there was a legal justification, and this is very important, there is no such situation in Donetsk, and there are more duped ...
    5. igvladfil
      igvladfil 20 March 2014 15: 09
      0
      In a month or two, Ukraine will have a tough regime than it was in "Dudayevskaya Chechnya." And about a hundred thousand armed thugs, the author correctly writes, - you need to act quickly and tough, ahead of the curve.
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 20 March 2014 21: 34
        0
        Quote: igvladfil
        In a month or two, Ukraine will

        What will happen - see. Perhaps by that time there would be nothing even remotely similar to at least some kind of regime. For the life of Yarosh or Yatsenyuk, I won’t put a penny on a dispute. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to saddle such lawlessness without mass shooting. And who is capable of it now? There are many who wish, but here's to do ..... After the civil war, and it is most likely not to be avoided, Stalin is needed. And where is he ????
    6. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 21 March 2014 21: 41
      0
      Correctly
      We all saw the February revolution in Ukraine
      and you just have to wait for October.

      Like 100 years ago - you have to wait and
      the people themselves will make their choice.

      Then in Russia not only the southeast but also the center can depart.
  2. Sma11
    Sma11 20 March 2014 13: 09
    +9
    As in the case of the Crimea, the hope remains for the mistakes of the Kiev junta, for their provocations, foolishness and inability / unwillingness to compromise. So far, our strength, for the most part, is in their weaknesses and shortcomings. This is bad, this lag in pace, but at the moment, not only the Kremlin contributes to the awakening and consolidation of the South-East, but to the authorities of Kiev and the armed gangs of Yaroshjugend.


    The bitter and sad truth. But Russia now should not wave a saber. Everything needs to be done secretly. A lot depends on Crimea too.
    1. GDP
      GDP 20 March 2014 13: 27
      +12
      Choose leaders of different levels separately for cities, separately for the entire Southeast, individual activists with hundreds of mobile phones ...
      Otherwise, no one will help you!
      Protect the main organizers day and night!
      Give people information how to help you with money? - Disseminate this information through the network.
      Gather an asset for the information technology department, you can find many people in Russia who will cooperate with you in this regard ...
      Announce to all pro-Russian organizations the need to unite their efforts in a single headquarters.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 20 March 2014 14: 23
        -1
        Quote: GDP
        Choose leaders of different levels separately for cities, separately for the entire Southeast, individual activists with hundreds of mobile phones ...

        Let me paraphrase the classic: “They are too far from the people ...” We need a ready-made force capable of resisting the repressive machine of the STATE right now! Leaders, centurions, etc., etc., are swept away as soon as they appear.
        Quote: GDP
        Protect the main organizers day and night!

        Member, or something, brush it off !?
        Quote: GDP
        Give people information how to help you with money?

        Without organization, money is nothing. Organizers are immediately swept away. Amerikosy have grown Bandera for more than 20 years, we do not have this time.
        Quote: GDP
        Otherwise, no one will help you!

        Well, that already seems to be true.
        1. GDP
          GDP 20 March 2014 14: 58
          +3
          There will be another rally of many thousands, as in the same Kharkov or Donetsk.
          Ask people if there are people who are ready to watch the administration in shifts, day and night, and let them raise their hands.
          Ask a question - does anyone have tents, heating stoves, can anyone help with food?
          Find out if there are military officers willing to lead the defense of the camp? It's simple - let them raise their hands
          organize a record of self-defense activists, appoint hundreds. To every hundred - a notebook with phones ...
          If they want to decapitate the protest forces, arrest the organizers, they will have to disperse a large camp, even the 50-100 man and it’s problematic to quickly disperse without using weapons
          Then start establishing contacts with public organizations, form accounts, look for helpers, sponsors everywhere ...
          You just need to go to the rally and say these words ...
          Nobody will tell them besides you, nor some mythical FSB or intelligence officers, only you yourself ...
        2. stappler
          stappler 20 March 2014 16: 02
          0
          Yeah, Zatulin talked about the brotherhood of peoples for 20 years, before it was necessary to react ...
    2. Salamander
      Salamander 20 March 2014 13: 36
      +11
      Here is a very instructive comment by maydanut:

      "PUTIN GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY !!! I'm a SON BIRTH NOT FOR WAR !!! ... (and stuff blah blah blah) "

      Posted by Igor Healer

      As the saying goes, "no comment" fool

  3. Donskoi
    Donskoi 20 March 2014 13: 14
    +17
    I also subscribe to the article. So from here (from Ukraine) everything is seen. But I’m still an optimist and I believe that Russia will leave the West and the junta more than once
    1. Orik
      Orik 20 March 2014 13: 27
      +4
      Quote: Donskoi
      I also subscribe to the article. So from here (from Ukraine) everything is seen. But I’m still an optimist and I believe that Russia will leave the West and the junta more than once

      So it is seen in Russia, yesterday in the transfer of Mamontov to TV, all experts said that without power support the SE issue could not be resolved.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 13: 41
        +5
        If support is one thing. And to introduce an army and do everything for those who just sit neutrally at home is another.
        1. stappler
          stappler 20 March 2014 16: 04
          -1
          so no one is against it, there wasn’t any support at all ... there was inform support, and its opponent chopped off ...
    2. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 20 March 2014 14: 07
      +1
      The article put a plus. This is one of the visions of the situation in Ukraine, and you need to understand that a holistic picture of the situation is created from a combination of many such visions. Today, for example, I heard a story about how in Crimea Russians grabbed poor Crimeans and made them vote for Russia! What the author of the article wrote about distorted perception is true. But the colors are very thickened! Those who screamed about the Russian invaders two weeks ago, already yesterday choked with indignation after learning about the new government’s tax projects. The situation is difficult! Time, on the one hand, will make people hate Bandera, but on the other hand, it will create an army for Bandera to suppress popular discontent. What is now right to do is very difficult to determine. I am a realist, but I also believe that I am exhausted! They themselves will be mistaken, as with the Crimea, and we will take advantage!
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      2. Tamparu
        Tamparu 20 March 2014 14: 59
        +2
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7

        ....... But the colors are very thickened! Those who screamed about the Russian invaders two weeks ago, already yesterday choked with indignation after learning about the new government’s tax projects. The situation is difficult! Time, on the one hand, will make people hate Bandera, but on the other hand, it will create an army for Bandera to suppress popular discontent. What is now right to do is very difficult to determine. I am a realist, but I also believe that I am exhausted! They themselves will be mistaken, as with the Crimea, and we will take advantage!


        Respected! You're wrong!!!!
        Paints by the author are not exaggerated !!!
        All that he wrote is TRUTH !!!!
        At least in Kharkov, this is exactly so!
        An hour ago I talked with relatives from the Odessa region and Transnistria. Indeed, Ukraine has blocked the entry of all male Pridnestrovians between the ages of 18 and 65 who have Russian Citizenship. They simply are not allowed into Ukraine and that's it. Relatives in the Odessa region, male, were called up under the "gun". They served in the Airborne Forces. They cook ... and so it is clear where they are cooked.
        Therefore, everything that is written in the article is true.
        1. TAMERLAN 7
          TAMERLAN 7 20 March 2014 16: 02
          +2
          Quote: TampaRU
          Therefore, everything that is written in the article is true.

          I never said that it was a lie! I said - the colors are very thick! With such a mood and fighting spirit, the war cannot be won! We are largely to blame! We are not guests, we are on our own land, and we allowed this fascist filth to come to power! Stop whining - "everything is bad", stop waiting for help from Russia, you need to unite and act, task number 1 - first you need to decide on a leader about the Russian movement and support him. People, who has any suggestions?
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          2. Tamparu
            Tamparu 20 March 2014 17: 35
            +2
            Quote: TAMERLAN 7


            Quote: TampaRU

            Therefore, everything that is written in the article is true.


            I never said that it was a lie! I said - the colors are very thick! With such a mood and fighting spirit, the war cannot be won! We are largely to blame! We are not guests, we are on our own land, and we allowed this fascist filth to come to power! Stop whining - "everything is bad", stop waiting for help from Russia, you need to unite and act, task number 1 - first you need to decide on a leader about the Russian movement and support him. People, who has any suggestions?


            Yes, no one whines ... This power came and it is supported by our "zombie" Russian people in Ukraine. Attempts to communicate with them and persuade them lead nowhere. They are zombified !!!! Everyone wants to join NATO ... You should have heard what they say, horror. In short ... "RUSSIA is to blame for everything." For a week of communication between my and my family with such people, it can be stated that this percentage is 50-60 ... These are people with average income, with higher education, most of them have a small business of their own or middle, top-level managers. Some are ready to take up arms even now and go to defend their homeland from the invaders ...
            What to do, to fight? No! But, they do not support the idea and federalization of Ukraine. Only a unitary state within NATO and the EU! And some kind of economic collapse of Ukraine does not frighten them at all, they are ready to "tighten their belts and work" (is it not true, something familiar expression for us, Slavs?)
            And again, what to do? I have no thoughts in my head, although there are, but there are certain limitations ... though ...
            In general, and laughter and sin. I really don’t know what to do.
            1. GP
              GP 20 March 2014 18: 59
              0
              Quote: TampaRU
              In general, and laughter and sin. I really don’t know what to do.


              And what can a simple layman?
              The main force is unity of opinion!
              For you personally: work for yourself and your family. Parenting. Convince relatives, acquaintances, keep in touch and look for like-minded people.
              It is known that until the thunder strikes, the peasant will not cross himself, and when he strikes, he will do like everyone else.

              And how can We from Russia (ordinary people) help? Yes, the same. Language, culture, history, what we are proud of and what we are shameful about (People on the VO website, for example, and how many people came out in support of Crimea). This is what affects the government, which is very good. he will quickly lose his votes if he acts contrary to it, and this is the end of polit. career and separation from the "trough".

              This is how the Natsiks climbed to steer Ukraine, because they did not doubt their "rightness". Their own lard, according to the tinsel.
              IMHO.
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              2. Tamparu
                Tamparu 20 March 2014 19: 19
                0
                Quote: GP

                Quote: TampaRU

                In general, and laughter and sin. I really don’t know what to do.


                And what can a simple layman?
                The main force is unity of opinion!
                For you personally: work for yourself and your family. Parenting. Convince relatives, acquaintances, keep in touch and look for like-minded people.
                It is known that until the thunder strikes, the peasant will not cross himself, and when he strikes, he will do like everyone else.

                And how can We from Russia (ordinary people) help? Yes, the same. Language, culture, history, what we are proud of and what we are shameful about (People on the VO website, for example, and how many people came out in support of Crimea). This is what affects the government, which is very good. he will quickly lose his votes if he acts contrary to it, and this is the end of polit. career and separation from the "trough".

                This is how the Natsiks climbed to steer Ukraine, because they did not doubt their "rightness". Their own lard, according to the tinsel.
                IMHO.


                By the way, I want to ask a question. And what should citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine do now? hi
                1. GP
                  GP 20 March 2014 19: 53
                  0
                  Quote: TampaRU
                  By the way, I want to ask a question. And what should citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine do now?


                  Sitting on the couch for a thousand miles from the events at the computer to give advice ?! No, thank you, I won’t take sin into my soul.
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                  2. Tamparu
                    Tamparu 20 March 2014 20: 34
                    0
                    Quote: GP

                    Quote: TampaRU

                    By the way, I want to ask a question. And what should citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine do now?


                    Sitting on the couch for a thousand miles from the events at the computer to give advice ?! No, thank you, I won’t take sin into my soul.



                    Here too .... request
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 20 March 2014 20: 44
                  0
                  Quote: TampaRU
                  And what should citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine do now?

                  In all seriousness _ Address the president of the state whose citizens you are with this issue.
                  hi
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                  2. Tamparu
                    Tamparu 20 March 2014 20: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Cynic

                    Quote: TampaRU
                    And what should citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine do now?

                    In all seriousness _ Address the president of the state whose citizens you are with this issue.
                    hi


                    Well, yes, the GDP will hear us ... :)))))))))
                    I understand, you can return to Russia, but can you give up everything here? It is impossible to interfere with rallies and lead the resistance to the "Euromaidanists" or somewhere nearby. Unless somewhere near to stand and support the moral Ukrainians, who are with us, yes, we do. But, now we have the same condition as the Ukrainian military in Crimea ... well, somewhere like that ... hi
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 21 March 2014 08: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: TampaRU
                      Well, yes, the GDP will hear us ... :)))))))))

                      And if there will be more than one such appeal?
                      Tens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?
                      Apparently, such appeals are minuscule, if they cross the Independent border at all.
                      The barrier is not a tricky business!
                      So that only Russian mail and the Internet, for example _
                      http://letters.kremlin.ru/

                      Having found a solution, tell someone else yourself!
            2. sniper
              sniper 20 March 2014 20: 43
              0
              Quote: TampaRU
              "RUSSIA is to blame for everything." For a week of communication between my and my family with such people, we can state that such percentages are 50-60 ...

              And if only Russia introduces troops there will be much more ...
              Quote: TampaRU
              I really don’t know what to do.
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              2. Tamparu
                Tamparu 20 March 2014 20: 56
                +1
                Quote: sniper

                Quote: TampaRU
                "RUSSIA is to blame for everything." For a week of communication between my and my family with such people, we can state that such percentages are 50-60 ...

                And if only Russia introduces troops there will be much more ...


                This is VERY PERFECT I understand ...
            3. TAMERLAN 7
              TAMERLAN 7 21 March 2014 11: 12
              0
              Quote: TampaRU
              Would you hear what they say horror

              I live in western Ukraine! It is unlikely that you hear more terrible statements!
              Quote: TampaRU
              These are middle-income people with higher education, most of them having their own small businesses or middle-level managers. Some are ready to take up arms even now and go defend their homeland from the invaders ...

              Oh yes, I know this contingent very well! They are heroes (in words)! Don't worry, it's one thing to play Rambo out of yourself for some manager or petty bourgeois, and quite another to poke yourself under Russian tanks! Even not these heroes, but the real "moved" ones, will think a lot after the first real fight with guts on caterpillars!
              Quote: TampaRU
              WHAT to do, to fight?

              Definitely - no! Now this will be a serious mistake! And Russia will suffer greatly.
              Quote: TampaRU
              I really don’t know what to do.

              To begin with, be prepared for anything! If, for example, I go out on the street with a Russian flag, they will tear me apart! I'm ready to go out, but it's pointless now! The current government is extremely unreasonable, they are already destroying themselves. They are already destroying the economy, if Russia helps us with an economic collapse for Ukraine, legal, political pressure, "gentlemen's agreements" both with its allies and with the United States and Europe (for example, agree to merge the right sector), a situation will be created when it will be possible to gather enough people against the current government. Our goal is to remove the right sector from power. And believe me, it's not that hard. They themselves help us with this (beating up journalists).
  4. sashppppp
    sashppppp 20 March 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Ukraine will be cleared of Bandera garbage, a matter of time
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 20 March 2014 13: 15
    +26
    "There is no need to bring in any Russian troops now. Even those who are neutral and are just beginning to see where the putschists are leading the country will perceive it precisely as an invasion and aggression."

    In this I completely agree.

    "The best way to clearly show what the fake" independence "of Ukraine is worth is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months."

    I think that now everyone is waiting for just a reason for this.
    1. Retx
      Retx 20 March 2014 13: 30
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "The best way to clearly show what the fake" independence "of Ukraine is worth is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months."

      I think that now everyone is waiting for just a reason for this.

      already
      Yesterday, March 19, at 22:00 Ukrainian time (at midnight Russian time), Russia completely closed its borders for Ukrainian products. Source: http://censor.net.ua/n276761
      1. PPL
        PPL 20 March 2014 14: 10
        0
        Well, you would at least look at the source of information ... lol censor.net.ua - they can come up with something different. So far, what else is known:
        If borders are closed, we will not suffer in terms of products. Ukraine is a completely self-sufficient country, and its food market does not depend on either Russia or other exporters.
        ...
        - Today in Ukraine there is an overproduction of food, so we will not starve! - the expert says. - But Russia will have to tight without Ukrainian products.
        http://kp.ua/daily/030314/441734/
        So, believe it or not, decide for yourself.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 20 March 2014 14: 18
        +3
        Quote: RETX
        Source: http://censor.net.ua/n276761

        Well, this is such an authoritative source that there is nowhere else to go. According to them, we are already on the way to Odessa.
      3. solodova
        solodova 20 March 2014 14: 36
        +2
        I support the PPP. This site can be said Bandera. Lie .. lie everything ... and sometimes we would learn from them ...)) for example, with the closure of trade with Bandera. Roshen in Lipetsk today covered up, temporarily, already the first solid step in this matter.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 20 March 2014 13: 36
      +9
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "The best way to clearly show what the fake" independence "of Ukraine is worth is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months."

      guys, yes there is already, is. our people just do it quietly. already posted today, I repeat
      OMON BLOCKED THE ROSHEN FACTORY IN LIPETSK
      March 19 2014
      Riot policemen in Lipetsk blocked the entrance to the confectionery factory of the Roshen company, owned by Ukrainian businessman Petro Poroshenko. This was reported on March 19 by the local portal Gorod48.
      According to an online publication, in the morning, two police vehicles blocked the entrance to the territory of the factory located on Dovatora Street. Factory workers were not allowed inside, and office staff were gathered in a conference room. The police refused to explain their actions, saying only that "they are conducting a force cover for operational measures."
      As stated later by the head of the legal department of the enterprise Elena Almiyarova, the work of the factory, which employs about three thousand people, is stopped. According to her, police officers who refused to present documents are going to seize documents and equipment.
      In addition, as Roshen spokeswoman Irina Petrenko said, police also blocked another company factory in the Lipetsk region, located in the village of Sentsovo. According to Gorod48, law enforcement officials are looking for illegal migrants in the enterprise.

      By the way, he talked with a man, he works in Lipetsk at the ZSK (plant of building structures). So the plant worked on Ukrainian metal. now worth it. cars with metal slow down at customs under any pretext. and these problems began on Monday.
    3. Andrey57
      Andrey57 20 March 2014 13: 55
      +2
      I think that now everyone is waiting for just a reason for this.

      There is already a reason - Miller’s speech is confirmation of this, from April 1 gas supplies to Ukraine without discounts and prepaid, and this is almost a closed vent, otherwise, it will have to pay the geyropa.
  6. bulvas
    bulvas 20 March 2014 13: 15
    +1
    It is necessary to threaten the junta with sanctions, moreover, to present an ultimatum
    And politically no one digs and acts intelligibly

    If they have money for defense, there will be money to pay for it.
    1. Retx
      Retx 20 March 2014 13: 19
      +3
      They don’t have money for defense. SMSkami collected. All this is farce.
      And the National Guard is a bandit group for punitive purposes, but will be scattered at the slightest rebuff.
      http://coub.com/view/z0ok
      1. Niki
        Niki 20 March 2014 14: 21
        0
        it is only a way to legalize "black" cash. If allegedly millions of hryvnias were thrown in 5 hryvnias each, then on the one hand it is a propaganda, and on the other, just a cover for the stuffing-in of the cashed-out. How can one legally accept large sums of money from an unidentified group of persons for military purposes? That's right, through such an action!
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 20 March 2014 14: 27
        0
        Quote: RETX
        They don’t have money for defense. SMSkami collected. All this is farce.

        This is not a farce. This is FARS. You have not understood yet - the junta does not need victory. The junta needs blood. Any price, and as much as possible. Great blood, centuries-old enmity. They fulfill the will of the owners from the West. And if you do not give them hands Now, the junta will strengthen.
      3. solodova
        solodova 20 March 2014 14: 38
        0
        I don’t know the truth or not, but on one of the pro-Russian sites they wrote that there were calls from certain numbers (they were listed there) and Ukrainian money was withdrawn for INCOMING. army.
  7. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 20 March 2014 13: 17
    +9
    It is impossible to do anything until you decide on a single leader in the Southeast. And the Russian leadership will not do anything.
    1. Niki
      Niki 20 March 2014 14: 25
      +2
      And what will happen to the revealed real leader? What kind of professional protection does he need, with what firepower?
  8. GDP
    GDP 20 March 2014 13: 17
    +1
    The best way to clearly show what the fake "independence" of Ukraine is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months.

    we cannot - Crimea will suffer.

    How to help our outside of Crimea? I can not even imagine. Borders are overlapped. Money? But to whom to give them ??? There would be at least one more or less intelligible leader who rallied the people around him and able to organize his own defense. Here, the ordinary population of Russia would shower it with millions through web money too, if it is more or less cleverly organized ...
    1. GP
      GP 20 March 2014 19: 13
      0
      Quote: GDP
      There would be at least one more or less intelligible leader who rallied the people around him and able to organize his own defense


      He will not appear until there is unity, a sense of unity and his own righteousness, the more you are, the stronger. Crimea is a good example and agreed with the same Tatars.
      There was an opportunity - they took advantage and Russia helped.
  9. fleks
    fleks 20 March 2014 13: 19
    +11
    The first really adequate assessment of the situation in Ukraine, otherwise the patriots got a damn
    1. acute
      acute 20 March 2014 13: 35
      -4
      This is not an assessment, it is a provocative article. We have nothing to do there. don't excite people
      1. Donskoi
        Donskoi 20 March 2014 14: 10
        0
        Have you even read the entire article ?! Is the author of the troops calling for help? No. On the contrary. So why are you "kitty barrel"? :) Help is needed adequate, given the "madanuty" West, but with a Russian "twist" wink
        1. acute
          acute 20 March 2014 15: 51
          +2
          So you better read what help he calls for. Can you read it?
          "Without information and financial assistance from outside, any forms of protest here will be crushed within a month: a couple of weeks is quite enough for mobilization, grinding of units and initial training of the National Guards, and then, according to the lists of pro-Russian activists collected by the SBU and kindly provided to the Nazis, a tough sweep of the South will be carried out. Kharkiv and Donetsk is just the beginning and an easy warm-up, any manifestations of disagreement, not to mention separatism, will be destroyed in the bud. Lyashko and Sasha Muzychko are no exceptions, this is a rule, there are all like that, there are even worse, take my word for it . " this is the author writes
          Ie it's time to start military operations of Russia, otherwise it will be too late
  10. individual
    individual 20 March 2014 13: 20
    +13
    The letter correctly says that it was not Putin who annexed Crimea to Russia.
    This was done by the peoples of the Crimea!
    So why the South-East is biding its time, petty protests only incite the gangs of the "right sector".
    No one will do anything for you. The protest goes to the kitchen and the murmur will be stopped by the junta.
    Why wait when it becomes impossible and your newly appointed power will have to be removed by shedding the "sea" of people's blood.
    This junta must be strangled in the bud until its tentacles have grown.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 20 March 2014 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: individ
      The letter correctly says that it was not Putin who annexed Crimea to Russia.
      This was done by the peoples of the Crimea!

      But how, what would they be suitable for without the support of Moscow?
      Quote: individ
      So why the South-East is biding its time, petty protests only incite the gangs of the "right sector".

      Because there is no support mentioned. Because they are divided, there is no leader.
      1. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 20 March 2014 14: 19
        0
        Quote: Uncle
        Because there is no support mentioned. Because they are divided, there is no leader.

        And whom to support? A rally crowd sitting in the kitchens?
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 20 March 2014 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: Native grandfather
          And whom to support? A rally crowd sitting in the kitchens?

          What am I for? Putin clearly said, not verbatim, that if the Russians began to oppress and kill, Russia would be forced to intervene. No matter how cynical it sounds, when the people rise against the juntars and spill blood, then Russia will intervene. Perhaps Putin’s wait-and-see tactics are wrong and troops should be deployed now, but that’s the way and you won’t get anywhere. It has a rational grain: you (Russians in Ukraine) must fight for your future yourself, and we will help. But we won’t do it for you.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 20 March 2014 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: individ
      So why the South-East is biding its time, petty protests only incite the gangs of the "right sector".
      No one will do anything for you.

      exactly. more than once wrote on VO the same thing. I didn’t put anything to the article, for the simple reason that there are correct conclusions, and there is something that jars. "The Kremlin did not care ...."
      again, expectations of anything from the Kremlin, a miracle or something ... but how are they?
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 March 2014 13: 45
      +3
      Because there is no leader. In every revolution there must be a leader and a bunch of his deputies. And many activists who constantly balamute people. For this, resources are still needed: money, supplies of food and arms, and illegal assistance from Russia. And to protect against arrests, fighting squads are needed. Those. need to repeat the structure of the Euromaidan.
      1. GP
        GP 20 March 2014 19: 26
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Those. need to repeat the structure of Euromaidan


        To repeat the structure of the E-Maidan, the Idea of ​​the antipodes is also needed: "We are not Ukraine", around which people can be rallied, when the organization is outlined, the leaders are outlined, then there will be help for quite specific actions. The Crimeans did not hide the fact that they did not consider themselves a part of Ukraine, therefore they took away their constitution and status at one time; and achieved their goal.
  11. Sochi
    Sochi 20 March 2014 13: 20
    +2
    The problem is that there are no leaders. Help those who do something ... do not sit, act. It’s cruel, but until the south-east rises, until there are victims, Russia will not be able to do anything.
    1. Az_esm
      Az_esm 20 March 2014 14: 06
      0
      "There are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders ..."
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 March 2014 13: 21
    +4
    I believe that the people of Ukraine will soon eat Maidanyutsii from the belly, and draw the right conclusions. For the zamboyaschik is one thing, and when there is nothing to eat, no money and no work - this is another.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 March 2014 14: 06
      +2
      If you raise the Crimea, but you need to invest heavily, then this will bear fruit pretty soon!
      The difference in living standards will do more than talkers from the rostrum!
      1. acute
        acute 20 March 2014 15: 56
        +1
        These are the words not of the boy, but of the husband. Only it is necessary to do everything not as we usually do. Normal government funding and targeted programs and everything under the supervision of normal people
  13. terrible
    terrible 20 March 2014 13: 21
    +3
    Where is Kovpak 2?
  14. W1950
    W1950 20 March 2014 13: 25
    +3
    Yes, damn it, as, as I already wrote, the introduction of troops is fraught with a hit between two fires.
  15. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 20 March 2014 13: 25
    0
    I fully and completely support this opinion! The euphoria of success has already turned the head of our urya-patriots from "pedros to neo-Bolsheviks"!
    Further, according to the "father of Ukraine" Lenin - delay is like death! Our move!
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 20 March 2014 22: 13
      0
      Quote: Vlaleks48
      has already turned the head of our urya-patriots from "pedros to neo-Bolsheviks"!

      It is clear which field you are a berry.
      Quote: Vlaleks48
      procrastination of death is like!

      Whose death? Yours? Or the civilian population of Ukraine? Or our boys, whom you want to substitute under the bullets and in all other senses? Themselves with a gun in front, or are you hoping to sit out in the rear? I saw these in the 90s in the Caucasus.
      To climb into this hive now? !!!! So climb.
      Quote: Vlaleks48
      Our move!

      So go !!!!
  16. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 20 March 2014 13: 25
    +1
    the putschists act absolutely correctly and adequately to the situation, which cannot be said about the actions of the Kremlin, acting spontaneously and reflexively

    It seems that the author of the letter is sitting and waiting for the Kremlin to take the initiative to join the South of Ukraine to Russia. No dear, until you begin to act, the Kremlin will not tease bestowed dogs. And television will not provide you all. If you want - act, and Russia will support you with active actions. If you want to sit and wait, as your Jews do, you will not expect anything good. They waited during the 2WW period, and you will wait until you have to drop everything and run away from their homes. And then it will be too late to intercede for you.
  17. ole
    ole 20 March 2014 13: 26
    +1
    Very correct opinion of the author.
  18. igor-pchelkin
    igor-pchelkin 20 March 2014 13: 27
    +7
    Friends, but the author was in the top ten. We are threatened with all sorts of sanctions, but we tore the shirt on our chest and shout: "Come on!" But the reptile at our borders needs to be crushed, and the faster, the better. Then you still have to push, but she will have time to grow up. Sanctions against the Ukrainian economy are also painful for us, but while the fat one dries, the thin one dies. The junta has declared war on us. What are we waiting for? The US shits on us all the time, wherever it can. Let's send them a bag with "g ...". Opportunities - the sea! You just need to realize that any WTO, IMF, GXNUMX are tools to strangle us. What don't we have? Everything is! Little is missing only one thing - the determination to all get up completely from their knees. As Zhanna Bichevskaya sings. "We are Russians, we are Russians, we are Russians! We will rise from our knees anyway!" The time has come. Get up!
  19. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 20 March 2014 13: 27
    +27
    Yesterday I spoke with my friend from the Dnieper, 100% Russian-speaking and even Russian by nationality. He was sure that Russia had attacked Ukraine, that Russia had sent troops to Ukraine, that Russia had occupied Crimea, that Russia was planning to occupy the rest of Ukraine, that Russia needed to be defended.

    You understand???!!! It speaks RUSSIAN !!! Can you imagine the scale and power of Ukrainian propaganda propaganda ????

    I talked to him for 40 minutes. At the same time, he said that he watches both Ukrainian and Russian TV channels. When I tried to give him information without comment, that is, a video of how teenagers on the school line chant "Mos .. yaku to gillyaku", how ukrofascists beat passers-by in his native Dnipro, how fascist football fans beat a blogger in Donetsk, an interview with a Crimean self-defense fighter , this caused him rejection, and the materials were perceived as Russian propaganda. It took a lot of effort to get him to look through these materials, explain, explain, WHAT is happening in the country where the media are lying ... But it was not possible to "persuade" him 100%. Thank God, he began to doubt the interpretation of reality that is being imposed by the Ukrainian media. But I think it's not for long. For a day or two.

    And he is not some kind of Nazi fascist. No. He correctly refers to these scum. But he simply does not realize that the power in the country was seized by these very Nazis and fascists in alliance with bandits and the mafia, despite the fact that the West supported, organized, financed and led them. He and millions of normal citizens of Ukraine simply do not realize this.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 13: 43
      +2
      That’s the question: how much blood and humiliation will be needed for everyone to see clearly?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 20 March 2014 13: 50
        +5
        If you pick up a couple of major Ukrainian media and force them to give real information, then you can do without blood.
      2. Zheka40
        Zheka40 20 March 2014 14: 56
        -5
        But is it necessary that they would see the light? a normal person himself will separate the grains from the chaff, the rest go through the forest.
      3. Black
        Black 20 March 2014 15: 33
        +2
        Quote: Banshee
        That’s the question: how much blood and humiliation will be needed for everyone to see clearly?


        How much blood and frozen soldiers of the 6th Army of Paulus were needed to prevent the people of Germany from seeing, - no, just starting to open my eyes ???
    2. Demon0n
      Demon0n 20 March 2014 13: 49
      +1
      Ivan_Ivanov
      If a person does not have his own head, his own established worldview and his own system of perception (those same notorious "rose-colored glasses" that everyone without exception has), then nothing can be helped. Although this assumption (about the absence of a worldview) is false by definition.
      Another option is possible. The true attitude (...) of a specific person (under the influence of certain external factors) was revealed. It is enough to recall the existence of people such as Khodorkovsky and others (moral ...) to accept the fact of the existence of the phenomenon (and, consequently, the corresponding regularity). It may surprise the scale, but denying the fact is stupid.
      So try to talk to your friend about his worldview. Just do not be surprised if the conversation does not go well ... The mere words about "protection from Russia" say a lot.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 20 March 2014 14: 01
        +7
        Do you think I was different 7-10 years ago? No. I was just the same easily suggested, was the product of that system of values ​​imposed by the Western Ukrainian and Russian media.

        My friend was drugged by ukrofascist mass media and imperceptibly for himself imposed certain views.

        In the same way, he can be "decoded", open his eyes, using the same methods and tools. And it will be easier to decode, since the vision that was imposed on him is false and at odds with reality.
        1. acute
          acute 20 March 2014 16: 32
          0
          How many of you are easily suggested at the moment in Ukraine. What did you process so quickly?
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 20 March 2014 17: 17
            0
            more than 20 years.
            1. GP
              GP 20 March 2014 19: 31
              0
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              more than 20 years.


              More ... almost 100 years with varying intensity.
      2. hummel83
        hummel83 20 March 2014 14: 19
        +2
        And we have a lot of people came out to defend the USSR when it was falling apart? - Why was Yeltsin not put on a stake? - so many also voted for him. - I will answer Anti-Soviet propaganda worked well - and on all Soviet channels. - And there is no need here about "if your own head is not ..."
        1. Demon0n
          Demon0n 20 March 2014 17: 16
          0
          Quote: hummel83
          And we have a lot of people came out to defend the USSR when it was falling apart? - Why was Yeltsin not put on a stake? - so many also voted for him. "

          Quite right! They were fools themselves, everything is simple ... and you don't have to blame everything on others. What a bad habit of blaming everyone around for all your mortal sins? Stupidity and narrow-mindedness in modern conditions is an unacceptable luxury. Either you start to be interested in politics (and I would add: "not only in politics") or politics starts to be interested in you. In the context of the possibilities of conscious choice, an irrational choice (as a consequence of irrational thinking) is more terrible than a homopedonecromaniac with a nuclear bomb.
          No need to look for those responsible, it is better to look at yourself in the mirror and ask a reasonable question ...
          Some experience has benefited (others ...).
          Do you think the Russian Federation does nothing? We do it. We do what we can and consider it necessary (based on our interests, not those of others).
          By the way, "Russian" is not a nationality (it is worth considering this, as well as some consequences).
          There is no point in fighting for someone who does not want to fight for himself due to various reasons. Otherwise, you can go very far in your desires and actions. So far that the saved will hang their own saviors themselves.
          Do you think now in the Russian Federation there is no enemy propaganda? Maybe you should open your eyes?
          And now among us there are many who want to arrange another revolution with us. No revolution? Horrible! Probably something has changed ...?
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    4. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 20 March 2014 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      there are few wise people, mostly smart ones. So, I wish you more patience and wisdom in upholding the Truth.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 20 March 2014 14: 05
        +1
        Thank. Thank you very much!
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 20 March 2014 19: 02
          0
          Not at all hi
    5. Kazakh
      Kazakh 20 March 2014 14: 20
      0
      He and millions of normal citizens of Ukraine simply do not realize this.
      They will starve in turnips
    6. RND
      RND 20 March 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Yesterday I spoke with my friend from the Dnieper, 100% Russian-speaking and even Russian by nationality. He was sure that Russia had attacked Ukraine, that Russia had sent troops to Ukraine, that Russia had occupied Crimea, that Russia was planning to occupy the rest of Ukraine, that Russia needed to be defended.
      .... He and millions of normal citizens of Ukraine simply do not realize this. [/ B]

      Quite right. I, too, from such negotiations with friends in Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kakhovka just oh **** y. Screams, hysterics, "you are invaders, our Crimea is shallow." Brains are washed to the fullest ... And people are adults ... By age ... Without entering into polemics with them - INSTALL THE PLATE !!! Say more neh *** ... Or wait until the bacon ends. I feel sorry for them, fools ...
      ZY Regarding "nothing is being done" - in the "Roshen: accounts of a Ukrainian company in Russia arrested"
      Ha ha ha ...
    7. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 20 March 2014 15: 58
      0
      or do not want to realize, according to the principle of my hut on the edge? There is a good saying, "The road will be mastered by the walker." The article contains a dull listing of facts and the question of when Russia will do everything for us. In Ukraine, the CPU remains (I understand that sand is a bad substitute for oats, but there is no other way) and there are offices in almost every city in southeastern Ukraine. decide to them, negotiate, at least they are not Nazis. The east of Ukraine was biding its time as to how the Crimean issue could be resolved and itself was not very active and received a natural result.
      1. GP
        GP 20 March 2014 19: 38
        0
        Quote: Andrey 447
        or do not want to realize, by the principle of my hut from the edge?


        Backfill question: where is the home of the hut-skrynikov?
  20. darksoul
    darksoul 20 March 2014 13: 27
    +8
    I don’t agree with the author that I don’t agree with the author, in Crimea the people themselves prepared the ground and made a choice, now this is the war of the east we will help as much as possible but without aggression

    about the fact that Putin has no merit here, I do not agree fundamentally with you.
    -Wait for a week, make a statement on the introduction of troops that the world crap one's pants, devalue our papers, buy them to make money on it.
    -To enter troops into the Crimea and say that it’s not us, no matter how much in the ukraine ... the websites didn’t hang out ... proving, while officially declaring that Ukraine can not attack the Crimea in view of the fact that there are militias and Russia will adequately respond after the attack .

    For me it’s all right with endurance and with his kgb ... oh preparation, I wouldn’t be looking for an ace up my sleeve .... he can get out of him from anywhere
    1. skifd
      skifd 20 March 2014 13: 53
      +3
      Quote: darksoul
      about the fact that Putin has no merit here, I do not agree fundamentally with you.


      To show political will, perfectly aware of the consequences (what kind of dirt is pouring on Putin and Russia now, only the "Upper-Lower-Lumbu-Yumbu" has not condemned us), in our time it is worth something.
    2. GP
      GP 20 March 2014 19: 45
      0
      Quote: darksoul
      For me it’s all right with endurance and with his kgb ... oh preparation, I wouldn’t be looking for an ace up my sleeve .... he can get out of him from anywhere


      Once Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to increase the number of jobs by many million in Russia. Here following his logic and what happened, holds a promise.
  21. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 20 March 2014 13: 28
    +8
    What is the use of moaning, they say Russia does not help the Southeast.
    Go to the ATC - take weapons.
    Surround military units.
    Block entrances to areas and cities.
    Smash the banderlogs.
    Already select leaders spontaneously and give them protection.
    Until your priest rises from a chair at the computer and TV, nothing will happen. Tomorrow will be conc. camps with Russian prisoners.
  22. ronin
    ronin 20 March 2014 13: 28
    0
    An article with a little emphasis ... A man clearly opposed to Russia was writing. A lot of hidden threats.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 13: 44
      0
      Your truth. The author is a provocateur.
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 20 March 2014 14: 09
        +4
        Do not rush with big words. In many respects, the author is right, he himself was very much intimidated by the conversation with friends from Ukraine ... like adults ... how easy it turns out to divide us.
      2. yureccc
        yureccc 20 March 2014 14: 18
        +6
        lying !! if it weren’t for Aksenov-Crimea right now swimming in the blood ((Crimeans began to kill when they returned to Crimea by bus from Kiev
  23. Demon0n
    Demon0n 20 March 2014 13: 28
    +6
    We can’t help with anything. Citizens and only citizens can and should decide their fate. The Russian Federation will help as it can (taking into account its interests, political realities and opportunities) if the area of ​​activity has positive prospects.
    It is time for everyone to abandon the idea that the Russian Federation owes everything to everyone (all debts have been paid). Want order, clean up. If you want to become radicals - become radicals. Do you want ... - everything is in your hands. Nobody will do anything for you. Moreover, given the situation and the opinions of the citizens themselves.
    If you want to take offense at the Russian Federation (they say you were all betrayed and sold) - your right. If you only need the Russian Federation to do everything for you (while you watch the next show), after which "the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave," then this will not happen. At least not for your sake (in that case).
    Decide for yourself with your desires, views and worldview. Adults, but behave like children. If you want to be part of the Russian world - act on the basis of these desires. Do not want to be part of the Russian world - an alternative is offered, act. Plants (as history has shown) are of no interest to anyone (apart from the darling, they are of no use). For beautiful eyes in the face until they give, but it would be worth ...
    If you think that your actions are doomed to failure, then what is the point in the actions? Masochism?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 March 2014 13: 45
      0
      Quote: Demon0n
      If you think that your actions are doomed to failure, then what is the point in the actions?


      Yes, sit, cry, and wait until our army does everything for them. But he won’t do it - to blame whom? That's right, us. They didn’t come, they didn’t help out.
    2. hummel83
      hummel83 20 March 2014 14: 13
      +1
      Russia should help - informationally, financially and organizationally. And they also helped in Crimea - polite people took over the administration of Simferopol, I remind you, not self-defense. But this option will not work in VU - there is no such unanimous support from the population. It is necessary that the people "matured" - now they will receive new accounts of pensions and salaries - and begin to ripen. Those who did not understand will understand, and those who understood will become more resolute ... But such "shock therapy" is unfortunately necessary.

      I completely agree with the author regarding the deployment of troops and the worthlessness of the ambassadors Zurabov Chernomudin.
      As for the Crimea - I'm not sure that they will turn on the valve - because we also have a valve, but everything can be ...
      Z.Y. Banshee - or the provocateur himself, or simply - young hot)) - thank God Putin has already said that since he would like Banshee he will not act))
    3. sniper
      sniper 20 March 2014 20: 55
      0
      Quote: Demon0n
      . Want order, clean up. If you want to become radicals - become radicals. Do you want ... - everything is in your hands.

      I would add that if NATO missiles appear in your territory, then our missiles will be aimed at them, that is, into your territory ... And there is nothing to be done ...
      Quote: Demon0n
      all in your hands.
  24. saag
    saag 20 March 2014 13: 29
    0
    Quote: formidable
    Where is Kovpak 2?

    In the forests, Rivne should supposedly appear, but not in the steppe zone of eastern Ukraine
  25. Lelek
    Lelek 20 March 2014 13: 30
    +3
    The Nazis are acting, and the people are chewing snot - maybe Russia will intervene, and we will go home. Do not sit back - they will crush. You won’t act like Crimeans - they will trample and ruin, as in the Baltic states. angry
    1. Prutkov
      Prutkov 20 March 2014 14: 12
      +5
      The fascists have been trained for several years. They came to the Maidan already formed. They had leaders. And there are still no pro-Russian organizations. There are no leaders.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 20 March 2014 14: 34
      +3
      Quote: Lelek
      The Nazis act, and the people chew snot-perhaps Russia will intervene

      People don’t chew snot-look at what was happening in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk ... As people with their bare hands drove the banderlogs GUARDED BY THE MILITIES to the neck. Well and?! Where is the help!? The next morning it turned out that the most active anti-fascists for the night tied up. Next - what?
  26. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 20 March 2014 13: 30
    +1
    It is time to act as highly cultured and highly democratic countries. It's time to organize the occasions ourselves. repeat
  27. Quantum
    Quantum 20 March 2014 13: 31
    +2
    I agree that it is impossible to send troops to support the scattered ideals of the southeast population. By the way, Moscow understands this. Only the organization of self-defense of the Ukrainians themselves can throw off the power of the junta.
    Rallies and standing of the people will not give anything. The organization of the armed
    people ready to crush banderlog.
  28. johnsnz
    johnsnz 20 March 2014 13: 34
    +2
    A smart article. I only doubt the Kremlin's inaction. Rubicon passed. I hope that hidden mechanisms of destabilization of the "ruling" regime are included
  29. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 20 March 2014 13: 34
    0
    Quote: GDP
    The best way to clearly show what the fake "independence" of Ukraine is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months.

    No sanctions are necessary against Ukraine. On the contrary. A visa regime is being introduced, and we must facilitate it. And Ukrainians give citizenship faster, upon presentation of a Ukrainian passport.
    It is necessary to prove to the Ukrainians that they are our brothers. Ukrainians are not our enemies.
    It is better to start remembering the affairs of Bendera. Print literature and films. Especially in Polish, for friends of Bendera, Poles. Organize traveling museums in Europe following the example of "museums of the Soviet occupation".
    If it is possible to reopen criminal cases against SS veterans. Submit an SS ban to a European court. If they refuse, it will be clear who is behind the SS and who is against. Plus, even if half the SS veterans rummage around, not so veterans may turn out to be, we have mummified veterans.
    "Death to the fascist invaders." was written on Soviet tanks.
    1. Citizen7
      Citizen7 20 March 2014 14: 36
      0
      SUPPORT
    2. stillrat
      stillrat 20 March 2014 15: 09
      0
      Yes, for sure, and also substitute your right cheek when they hit on the left! Dear hhhhhhhhh All this has already taken place in the USSR, friendship of peoples, etc. and so on, as a result, we got "Russian invaders get out", and now they hit the table with their fist, albeit not too much, but they What is the result. The Balts, who last year marched with the entire group of un-killed SS men this year, were somehow ashamed to do it. The Glyadish will soon be respected and the Soldier of Bronze will be returned to their place, in order to avoid (so to speak).
  30. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 20 March 2014 13: 35
    +2
    Absolutely correct analysis of the situation, it is interesting what the Kremlin thinks about it. But for some reason it seems to me that the situation with Syria is no less important for Russia now, having lost Syria, we will lose all the advantages in politics and in the economy.
    1. stillrat
      stillrat 20 March 2014 14: 59
      -1
      Correctly said! Actually, the situation with Ukraine is Washington’s revenge on Moscow for Syria.
  31. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 20 March 2014 13: 36
    +2
    the main loss is the minds of youth.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. oblako
      oblako 20 March 2014 15: 16
      0
      The minds of young people are not a loss, but a material for work. Only for competent and smart work, competently. We analyze everything as to how their heads were "magnetized" .., but how to "demagnetize" we do not know. Or we don't attach any importance. In Crimea, it is necessary to put up a TV tower and open a broadcasting channel. You can say the minds of young people, this is exactly the main battlefield. Nothing is established once and for all, especially these very minds of young people. There are objective market laws. We sleep, and they act, we eat or study, and they act ... Now the junta will have a period of initial capital accumulation, cover this in the press, in the media. Banks, oil refineries, distillery "Nemiroff" are already being rolled over, or there will be more ... Open the eyes of young people, help them become disillusioned with ideas that have long compromised themselves, but young people do not know this ... commissioners - propagandists are needed))) in the media
  32. askort154
    askort154 20 March 2014 13: 46
    +6
    The main thread of the article is the author's resentment against Russia. Type: Russia used to not "Kahala" South East and now
    behaves "wrong". And she returned the Crimea by accident. And let me ask you, who swallowed the Orange Revolution?
    Who brought Yushchenko and Tymoshenko to power? Why did you silently sit down to learn the language of "Mova"? Why silently accepted
    "new history of Ukraine". which has brought up a new generation? Why did they silently swallow the "Maidan"?
    And now you reproach and ask Russia. If Russia acts according to your "strategy," then tomorrow
    will itself be covered in blood. Can you blame Putin? This is what you have led yourself to with the motto - "my hut is on the edge."
    Before you call for help, you yourself have to give all your best! Crimea resisted Hitler, and here you scare us with the Bender geeks, that they are under siege for half a year
    It will be returned. I conclude to myself - the article is provocative.
  33. Sergg
    Sergg 20 March 2014 13: 47
    +1
    Gas must be disconnected Ukraine !!! Break all economic ties. And the Kiev junta will come to an end.
    1. stillrat
      stillrat 20 March 2014 14: 56
      0
      It doesn’t come, in Ukraine and now with the economy at the seams, however, for some reason people are not running to arrange Maidan-3. Moreover, there is now such an information pressure on a simple citizen that it is scary to watch. Soon the inhabitants of the Russian embassy will see crowds of hungry housewives at their gates. Many Ukrainians, especially the older ones (new to the Internet) are quite seriously convinced that Ukraine is already at war with Russia. They almost dig holes in the yards. And you say!
  34. mamont5
    mamont5 20 March 2014 13: 47
    +1
    "Russia now almost does not use economic levers of pressure on the putschists. Free (unpaid) gas is still poking through pipes to Ukraine, cooperation in the military-industrial complex continues, contracts with local producers have not been broken, in fact, direct and indirect sponsorship of the Ukrainian economy continues. The way to clearly show what the fake “independence” of Ukraine is worth is to cut off all economic ties with it for a couple of months. The Russians will survive this, don't be afraid for us, but for fans of “independence” it will be a good, visual lesson. "
    I think something similar will begin in April. Old agreements are still in force and they do not want to violate them purely formally.
  35. vasyliy1
    vasyliy1 20 March 2014 13: 48
    0
    It is necessary to financially and ideologically help pro-Russian people in Ukraine, but after a couple of months, when there is nothing to eat there, it will help with arms and volunteers and forward to the former Soviet borders!
  36. parus2nik
    parus2nik 20 March 2014 13: 53
    +3
    What Aksenov says about control over the situation, about some pipelines from the Kuban, is all fantasy. You’re mistaken, my friend, from the Kuban I, moreover, live on the Taman Peninsula and what’s going on and how, for example, I know .. pipelines are not fiction .. Not right away, but there will be ... But in general, according to the article, that's right, rightly think, comrade ..
  37. rfgthfyu
    rfgthfyu 20 March 2014 13: 55
    +1
    The President, speaking on March 18, made it clear that until a certain point, Russia would not take active action in the East and Southeast of Ukraine. Everything should be decided by the Ukrainian people. Therefore, the author’s information in assessing the situation is of great interest. Western curators and sponsors pushed for a certain choice. I have no doubt that we are trying to do something in the direction we need. But efficiency and, most importantly, time are displeasing. We’ll do it anyway, but it will be a different situation, different money and a different attitude.
  38. Deadmen
    Deadmen 20 March 2014 14: 01
    0
    In such a case, you need to come up with such a chip somehow. I don’t know, it’s possible purely technically, but (roughly speaking) to bring in a mobile provider to alternatively distribute at least a radio with our news. To prevent zombies.
  39. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 March 2014 14: 09
    +5
    Quote: akut
    This is not an article, but some kind of horror story for those who want to "attack" the independent one. Who told you that the armies will be sent to the east of Ukraine ?. Why are you scaring the people, and besides, you urge "you need to faster, otherwise you will be late? A provocation, not an article. The factories are repairing equipment, NATO is leading the troops. Well, okay, the people are either against it or simply keep silent. You do not fuss and live in peace. you get it, just it is not clear from your opus, what are you calling us to your place or will you pass by ?. Guys, this is your country, stir your rolls, as you do, it will be

    A man does not scare, but writes real things. I support the letter at 100%. Russia lost the information war in Ukraine. I know a sufficient number of Russian-speaking ethnic Russians, who currently have a negative attitude towards Russia. For 23 years of independence, a new generation of military men have come to the army who do not remember the Soviet Army and are raised on other ideals. They will shoot. The old military is gone. Of course, for a long time the Ukrainian army will not be able to resist. But this is not required. The main thing is provocation. And do not think that all combat forces are now concentrated near the Crimea. The popular movement in the south-east of the country will be suppressed in the near future. And Russia will not be able to do anything. There are no leaders capable of leading people. And those that were already arrested. In Donetsk, Gubarev was arrested. Where it is located is not known. And is he alive at all? Why is Russia silent? The information war on the territory of Uraina is lost. But war in world space continues. But Russia is almost inaudible there. Why is so far the whole media space does not shout about force pressure on the leadership of the UT-1 channel by representatives of Freedom? Where are the representatives of the OSCE, where is the UN? Why does Russia not demand to present to the world community the oppositionists arrested by the new government? Maybe they are no longer alive? Namely, the image of the new government is being forged. Where is the action? Rallies alone.
    1. Citizen7
      Citizen7 20 March 2014 14: 40
      0
      EVERYTHING AT THE POINT - IF REALLY VIEWING ON ALL MEDIA, THE INTERNET OF THE EDITION EVERYTHING IS ON THE JUNE AND WASTE THE BRAINS BUT THE MOST OF BELONGES TO THE OLIGARHAT == SO MAY BE PRESSED ON THEM
  40. konvalval
    konvalval 20 March 2014 14: 10
    +1
    Quote: Demon0n
    Citizens and only citizens can and should decide their fate.

    Everything is correct, but Russia should help because there are most Russians. America because of its two people can smash the country, and we are shy. And it is right that these citizens should not wait for the manna of heaven. A rolling stone gathers no moss. They want to lie under Bandera’s, well, they don’t want to, get up a scolded country.
  41. tolancop
    tolancop 20 March 2014 14: 11
    +1
    There are sound thoughts in the article. That work in Ukraine was weak, if at all. The fact that the regime is trying to strengthen.
    But "come on, Russia, come on, otherwise it will be too late" I really didn’t like it ..
    The soil must be prepared for the offensive so that the arrival of the Red Army becomes a long-awaited event.
    About the Ukrainian army is also not convincing. I have no doubt that there are factories that can quickly repair equipment. Will they repair it, here's the question. Repair, he also costs money. As is the content of all this renovated. And who will be controlled by all the equipment is also an interesting question, if, as far as I have heard, the APU has not conducted any sensible exercises for a long time. In a day or two you won’t learn to handle equipment ...
  42. mabuta
    mabuta 20 March 2014 14: 12
    +1
    Even the Obama guesses that the junta will remain in the fools.
  43. mountain
    mountain 20 March 2014 14: 13
    0
    In the beginning, it’s not bad, but the ending, the spontaneous behavior of the Kremlin and the putschists are doing everything right, and the tanks are being upgraded in no time. And now, in order, what kind of spontaneous behavior the Kremlin did not notice and they did not explain to us. Further, the putschists are doing everything, right, but this time will tell and, no matter how these so-called military brigades would work, they would not arrange and last for a month, without a free man. And about technology, fuel, specialists, service staff, modernization, it’s not all serious, compared to regular troops and new equipment. There are problems with water in the eastern part of Crimea, but the costs should be as without them. I would be in your place and organized resistance groups, campaigns, a warning system and the safety of activists. And we have someone to think about and make a decision, to fulfill.
  44. Platov
    Platov 20 March 2014 14: 15
    +2
    Overlapping the channel is an occasion to introduce polite people into the territory of the southeast part of the outskirts. Prevention of humanitarian catastrophe, saving the lives of civilians, children and the elderly. A couple of dozen axes on the heads of the most stubborn and a peaceful discussion will begin, who owes what to whom and on what terms. And probably they will not do without landing for the wits of the most ardent maydanut.
  45. Denis fura
    Denis fura 20 March 2014 14: 16
    0
    Already now you need to do something and help the Crimea !!! I think the article is correct, in fact, Ukrainians really lived better than ordinary Russians, I understand that the RFP are small there, but everything is so cheaper due to free gas and accumulated loans that they are unlikely to be torn to Russia, they became collateral ones)))) )))
    Economic sanctions, or rather the normal laws of the economy, that’s what will work in full, but everything needs to be explained in detail, i.e. raising the gas price to explain that the leadership of your country is not friendly, so you won’t get any discounts, they will start stealing from the pipe to redirect the volumes to the maximum as they can, and for the stolen one to force Europe to pay, you ... sniff yourself and pumped into the pipe everything is correct, so - CANNOT NOT OUR !!!!! )))) and for oil and gas prices everything else will catch up, the cost of their goods will immediately show non-competitiveness with ours, which should also increase our producers .....
    In short, the main thing, in my opinion, is now a systematic work to tighten the nuts in the economic plan.
    Well, CRIMEA, the main thing is to remove the dependence on water and electricity, I think that everything will be more than paid off later.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 20 March 2014 14: 38
      +1
      If ordinary Ukrainians lived better than in Russia, it is unlikely they would have traveled here in droves to work
  46. Kazakh
    Kazakh 20 March 2014 14: 16
    0
    the putschists act absolutely correctly and adequately to the situation, which cannot be said about the actions of the Kremlin, acting spontaneously and reflexively.
    Miley completely (agree) laughing the result is obvious laughing If victory means the people defeated Stalin and not if the loss means Stalin is to blame the people and not heard. More about the squad write write down
  47. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 March 2014 14: 18
    +2
    Quote: RETX
    They don’t have money for defense. SMSkami collected. All this is farce.
    And the National Guard is a bandit group for punitive purposes, but will be scattered at the slightest rebuff.
    http://coub.com/view/z0ok

    No one thinks that SMSkami can feed and arm the army. But to consolidate society and foster the atmosphere before the threat of external aggression is just right. There is an information war.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 20 March 2014 14: 45
      0
      The information war and the real are somewhat different things. Information becomes outdated very quickly today, everyone shouts about Crimea, and tomorrow about the Malaysian Boeing. The West has grown in the information, but they just wiped it off under the butt of a mixer in Somalia.
      1. Good cat
        Good cat 20 March 2014 14: 51
        0
        I remembered something else. here they laid out an article and gave examples of manuals for Ukrainian "network fighters". There were just such texts
        and "my friend" and "no one needs" and "there is everything there is technology" and "purely Russian" and "attacked Ukraine." A strange article.
  48. diff
    diff 20 March 2014 14: 20
    +3
    An article with some subversive notes. Judge for yourselves: then 23 of the year we spit on Russians in Ukraine;
    the Crimea is threatened with a blockade that they allegedly will not survive;
    then suddenly Putin is not a visionary, that he is not able to correctly assess why we need Crimea;
    then a certain force, non-inevitable, comes to us and there is a need to think about it ...
    What sighs? You yourself either ask for protection, then blame us for the imperfect. Nobody encroaches on Ukraine and until the People themselves are activated, as in the Crimea. No one will invade, except for the USA and the EU! In Crimea, everything is going its normal course. If there will be a blockade of the Crimea, which no one doubts, I think we have enough mind and energy to build a bunch of desalination plants. Fortunately for this, everything is even ready-made stations.
    If you yourself are talking about possible resistance, then how can you doubt the Russian people. It is clear that Ukrainians do not feel love for us, but that’s not all. The rest understand who came with what. Today in Ukraine 10-15% are opposed to the Russian Federation. But there are people who can analyze the current situation correctly, at least for their people and the world.
    What is Putin's “foresight”? I don’t understand how the short-sighted politician was able to raise the country. Does he win in the casino of the grandmother for the country? If you are far-sighted, and there is no politician of this level, then where are you ... asking for power!
  49. lukke
    lukke 20 March 2014 14: 26
    +1
    For 23 years, the Kremlin spat from a high bell tower in the Russians of Ukraine, and now they are waiting for the miracle that the Russians here will quickly organize themselves and throw off the junta themselves. Blessed is he who believes
    Well, let's say this: 23 years before such insanity has not yet reached. For these 23 years, Russia and its peoples have experienced with interest more than one that Ukraine has never dreamed of, I will not even list. The merit of GDP in resolving the issue of Crimea is obvious even to the blind. But the author is right in some ways - common people cannot influence some processes, sometimes the force is not in the truth, but in the tower of the tank that shoots at the building with people in the center of the capital, however this is a different story ...
  50. Tor hummer
    Tor hummer 20 March 2014 14: 26
    -5
    Finally, the population begins to dispel conjectures about the "brotherly-Ukrainian" people and other nonsense. I have always said that Ukrainians and all of Ukraine as a whole are our worst enemies.
    Only by eradicating this abomination can we live in peace.
    1. kudwar68
      kudwar68 20 March 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Enemies are not enemies, and you will always get a knife in the back from them. I have never appreciated their "friendship of peoples". Since the days of Mazepa, they have changed little, and their flag is of Swedish colors, draw conclusions gentlemen.
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 20 March 2014 18: 49
        +1
        Quote: kudwar68
        Enemies are not enemies, and you will always get a knife in the back from them. I have never appreciated their "friendship of peoples". Since the days of Mazepa, they have changed little, and their flag is of Swedish colors, draw conclusions gentlemen.

        They are even worse than enemies. The enemy is even though he is explicit and with him everything is clear what to do. And these padlucks mimic the "brothers" and at a convenient moment they put a knife in the back, as you said.
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 20 March 2014 14: 53
      0
      "You argue apolitically, listen ..."
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 20 March 2014 17: 35
        -2
        Quote: Tor Hummer
        Finally, the population begins to dispel conjectures about the "brotherly-Ukrainian" people and other nonsense. I have always said that Ukrainians and all of Ukraine as a whole are our worst enemies.

        Quote: kudwar68
        Enemies are not enemies, and you will always get a knife in the back from them. I have never appreciated their "friendship of peoples". Since the days of Mazepa, they have changed little, and their flag is of Swedish colors, draw conclusions gentlemen.


        Quote: Good cat
        "You argue apolitically, listen ..."

        The new generation is growing up not only in Ukraine. Well, well ...