Military Review

There is money - it's up to arms

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In early February, a round table was held in the State Duma on the theme “Can the Russian military industrial complex be able to provide the army with modern weapons? The forum was chaired by State Duma Deputy, member of the State Duma Committee on Defense Vyacheslav Tetekin. The discussion of the problem was attended by leading experts in the field of the defense industry and military leaders. A very difficult situation in the domestic "defense industry" has become the object of a detailed analysis of specialists. The speakers drew attention to the growing personnel problem, deficiencies in the control system of the military-industrial complex, problems with the rhythm of financing and other pressing issues, without which it is impossible to provide the army and navy with modern weapons in the necessary quantities. The participants of the "round table" shared their vision of a way out of this situation.


There is no one to work

Aviation the industry has always felt the need for qualified designers, engineers, technologists, technicians and, of course, workers. But now the lack of qualified specialists is especially acute. Indeed, in Russia over the past decades there has been a real "deengineering." Today we feel the consequences of a serious violation of the principle of continuity of generations, which provided both design bureaus and serial factories with the necessary personnel.

There is money - it's up to arms


The situation began to worsen with the second half of the 80-s of the last century. Proclaimed in February of the 1986, at the XXVI CPSU Congress, the policy of accelerating, reconstructing scientific and technological progress, increasing the role of mechanical engineering and its further development did not actually produce results. Moreover, young specialists who were trained by aviation institutes and technical schools, due to low wages, began to look for jobs not in their specialty.

This process is even more accelerated with the collapse of the USSR. Now affects almost 20-year break in the influx of young personnel. It is not only about engineers. Even more difficult was the situation with skilled workers, whose preparation today is forced to deal with the production plants themselves.

Especially difficult situation was in the design offices involved in civil aviation. There was a period when a serial factory, which had qualified specialists, did not receive orders, did not have money. Today you can observe another situation. There are orders, there is money, but there is no one to work. Significantly decreased the number of designers. Perhaps, there remains the last chance to change the current situation, while experienced specialists continue to work, who are able, under the right conditions to be created, to pass on their experience to the young shift.

Under the proper conditions means the organization of wages. Previously, everything was simple and natural. The size of the salary corresponded to the qualifications and was acceptable to the young specialist. In the design bureau, the lead designer, who had to use the work of young employees, was simply obliged to monitor their work, constantly explaining how to most efficiently solve the technical problem that ended with the release of working documentation going into production. This method of work ensured rapid growth of qualifications and, accordingly, wage increases. All this happened quickly enough.

The solution to the issue of training today is the main for the revival of the domestic aircraft. The loss and non-completion of personnel means the loss of invaluable practical experience gained over decades, since it is not stored on paper, not on tracing paper, not in books and dissertations, not on a computer’s hard disk, but in human memory.

Of course, computerization of design and production, the presence of many programs provide solutions to complex problems in the field of aerodynamics, strength, and aircraft frame creation, but understanding how to best use all this when creating a new aircraft comes with experience that accumulates much faster when working with those who already has it.

It will take serious efforts to grow the recruitment of specialists, make up the technological gap, rebuild the destroyed. And this should be dealt with immediately, without sparing means.

Heinrich Novozhilov,
aircraft designer, twice Hero of Socialist Labor, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences


Troops need industry feedback

Of course, the state and capabilities of the country's military-industrial complex (DIC) directly depend on the level of the Armed Forces, their combat capability and, as a result, the defense capability of the country as a whole.

But this statement is valid only if close, continuous, interdependent feedback and interaction on the development of tactical and technical tasks (TTZ) for the development of weapons and military hardware will be established between the military-industrial complex and the consumer of weapons and military equipment, that is, the troops. equipment (IWT) and technical solutions in their implementation. At the same time, the results of military tests when adopting a model for service should be prioritized.

Excessive independence of the defense industry, neglect of the demands of the troops led and always will lead to unnecessary and sometimes harmful for the troops technical solutions in the development of weapons and military equipment that do not improve their performance, but lead to a banal appreciation of products. In our time, this is especially true.

I will refer to an example. It is known that in the Ground Forces one of the main models of military equipment is a tank. So, starting with the T-64 (sixties) and to this day everything Tanks equipped with a tank gun loader. Many participants in the development of this mechanism became laureates of the State Prize. The main advantage of this mechanism was formally recognized as the possibility of increasing the rate of fire of the tank gun by more than two times and reducing one crew member of the (loading) tank, which ultimately reduced the total number of tank troops.

And this is actually the case. But let's see what benefits the troops received from this innovation, from the point of view of the commanders who used this technique in battle.

So, when manually loading a tank gun, the maximum technical rate of fire can be four to five shots per minute, while using an automatic loader - up to 10. But in practice, when performing exercises, firing on the move, not all trained crews are able to make three shots in two minutes, which are allotted to a target, for appearing and moving targets. And it is natural. In real shooting, the crew needs to detect the target, determine the distance, adjust for the wind and the movement of the target, enter the initial data in the scope, aim and shoot. After the shot, evaluate the results of the shooting, if necessary, re-amend, aim and re-shoot. Thus, in a combat situation, the crew, using the loading mechanism, is able to produce no more than two aimed shots per minute.

With this in mind, the expediency of an automatic loader in a tank is extremely doubtful. After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified service, prone to difficult failures, a large part of the tank’s internal volume is occupied by its installation, which worsens the already insufficient crew ergonomics and disunites it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew because of the large number of elements of the mechanism moving in the open space of the combat compartment.

For these and other reasons, it is not by chance that the enterprises leading in the tank construction of the country are not in a hurry with the introduction of this technical device.

Regarding the reduction of the crew from four to three people, this decision led to the intractable damage to the survivability of tank units. As you know, a combat vehicle requires constant maintenance, engineering equipment and a position taken in combat and constant protection. Only for guarding a car in a combat position, the crew members alternate with each other every two hours, without having a place to rest, being inside the machine in a cramped position, lose all working capacity in three or four days, not to mention the ability to conduct combat operations. It was not by chance that during the war the T-34 tank had a crew of five people, including a gunner-radio operator.

The given example illustrates how sometimes the good intentions of the defense industry complex do not correlate with the practice of the troops and how, on the contrary, it is difficult for the insistent requests of the troops to be resolved. For all that, it is necessary to take into account some regularity manifested by the DIC when accepting orders. Industry is eager to take orders for the production of weapons of destruction. They are easier to manufacture, they are metal-intensive and, therefore, more expensive to manufacture. Can not be said about the automated control systems of troops and weapons, especially in the tactical level of control, communications, troop reconnaissance, satellite navigation and ground equipment of consumers to it, EW. Great efforts are required for the industry to undertake the production of these kinds of products. As a result, we observe an imbalance in the structure of weapons in general. With an overabundance of weapons, there is a lack of devices to ensure their use, negating the combat capabilities.

A long-standing and still existing state of affairs can only be straightened by that official and only by the governing body, which will be entrusted with full and sole responsibility for the condition of the troops, for construction and development, for preparation and, preferably, for their application. Only in this case can the full interested cycle be realized from obtaining a sample of a weapon to its use for its intended purpose. Until recently, such command bodies were the Commanders-General of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with commanders-in-chief, endowed with corresponding functions and structures.

For all history The ground forces have only once been organized since their organizational design in 1946 - in the period from 1955 to 1964, they for the first and probably the last time were close to relative independence in matters of technical policy during their construction and development. During this period, all groups of troops, military districts, separate armies and higher educational institutions of the Ground Forces, as well as the main developers and customers of weapons and military equipment according to the nomenclature of the Ground Forces were subordinated to the commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces as the First Deputy of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

During this period, the commander-in-chief was given the right, in addition to other tasks, to develop and approve annual plans for experimental design and research work on the subject of strategic weapons, as well as to place orders for the weapons and military equipment and ammunition industry for the USSR Armed Forces.

This concentration of independence, supported organizationally, allowed the scientific and technical revolution in the Ground Forces to take place during this period, a sharp qualitative leap in providing the troops with the latest types of weapons and military equipment, which significantly changed the characteristics of general arms and led to the improvement of forms and methods of combat operations and operations. .

Designed and adopted weapons of military equipment of that period are still basic models and are only slightly modernized.

In 1964, the CB Main Office was re-disbanded. During the subsequent formations, the previous tasks were only declared, but their solution was not supported by organization. The last formation of the Main Command Committee of the Army, with just over a hundred people, is formally responsible for the construction and development of the Ground Forces, but is really devoid of any levers of influence on the technical policy in them. And the troops themselves are not subordinate to him. For the first time, the Air Force and Air Defense, as well as the Navy, found themselves in the same position.

As of today, there are no competent command and control bodies endowed with the functions mentioned above in the structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Thus, without a revision of the place and role of the consumer in the system of development and orders, the forecast for the quick and high-quality rearmament of troops is questionable.

Yuri Bukreev,
Chief of the Main Directorate of the Ground Forces (1998 – 2001), Colonel-General


It takes years to grow a specialist

Back in the 60s of the last century, the experience gained in the development of anti-aircraft guided missiles, their operation and use in combat conditions, made it possible to formulate requirements and begin to solve the problems of creating anti-aircraft missiles and systems that provide real anti-aircraft cover for our country geopolitical situation and world politics.

Thus, the now well-known C-300 systems with the 5B55 rocket, designed to destroy planes and cruise missiles at all ranges and their combat use, appeared. In this rocket, many properties were designated by the word "for the first time", and for that time even "for the first time in the world."

I would like to mention the guaranteed reliability system introduced for the first time during the creation of these missiles, which allowed this technically complex weapon to last unchecked troop operation up to 30 years with constant readiness for launch.

The experience of creating rocket technology showed that the required reliability of rockets and their onboard equipment is provided not so much by duplication of the most important components and their careful selection, but by the harsh conditions of their laboratory tests. Flight tests should be carried out only in cases where the required parameters and loads can not be reproduced in laboratory conditions.

By assigning an important role to ground testing, we take into account that in the process of ground testing, the measurement of various parameters is greatly simplified, and visual and instrumental evaluation of the operation of blocks and assemblies becomes possible.

A significant increase in the cost of rocket technology and a reduction in the cost of its manufacture and testing constantly have an impact on developers, reducing the number of test samples, and for carrying out ground tests only individual specimens are required.

What problems today hinder progress? Now we have the main problem - funding, which directly affects the updating of laboratory and bench equipment, the introduction of new technologies and software, increasing information management systems and attracting personnel. The creation of a new technology at a developing enterprise begins with an experimental design development. The first stage, related to pre-project work and research experiments, is usually performed in the course of research work and research and experimental work, is absent. In accordance with federal law 94, only the sample design stage itself is put up for competition. It is believed that the enterprise should produce the pre-project preparation stage at its own expense.

In our country, the developer of armaments has the state defense order as the main source of income, which includes OCD, and he cannot, and more than that, he has no right to allocate funds from OCR for R & D, equipment and stands. This is stopped by the customer as inappropriate use of funds.

Also, everyone knows that each development enterprise has a design service, high-class specialists. It includes a fairly multidisciplinary theoretical group of specialists solving the problems of substantiating the concept and appearance of future models of equipment. The maintenance of these specialists in the absence of constantly carried out R & D and R & D is possible only from overhead costs. This is the main difference between conventional serial enterprises and developers of new technology; this can not but affect the final price of products.

The source of development of the head enterprises of the industry could be the attraction of budget funds in the development and maintenance of the national technological base and the modernization of production. Targeted financing in this situation could be planned in the development of a target program for the creation of the aerospace defense of the Russian Federation.

Today, the company has laboratory and test bases that allow 19 types of unique tests to be carried out in ground conditions. Created a creative team capable of creating modern rocket technology. In fact, this is the national treasure of Russia. To support everything, and even more to bring it in line with today's requirements, is an expensive matter and is not always within our reach, especially in terms of finance.

Before 90, interesting work, its prestige, the prestige of the enterprise in the world allowed young specialists from the best universities to be received. Today, they are the backbone of firms. But now those who want to work in the defense industry have become much smaller and simply are not enough. It is necessary to take unusual measures and we should not forget that it takes years to grow a specialist.

Vladimir Svetlov,
General Director of IBC "Torch" (1991 – 2006)


We lose energy security

Since 1994, industrial output in Russia did not exceed 15 – 17 per cent of the production in the Russian Federation during the period of the Soviet Union. I exclude oil, gas, wood, fertilizer, and so on.

Since 2000, product prices have multiplied. In 2000, the tank was worth 17,5 million, now it's more than 140. Metal has risen in price, electricity has risen in price, we are in a constrained position on many issues.

If we talk about the basis of defense, it should be based on the self-sufficiency and autonomy of the country in ensuring its activities and national security. What I mean? First of all, food, the ability to meet the needs of the country in all major types of technical and industrial products, the provision of all types of goods, including textiles.

One of the most painful problems was that the collapse of the industry and the transition from the branch to the functional principle completely violated cooperation. And if earlier at the head of the corner was a factory or an enterprise, the leading manufacturer, now there is a management company, a service center or some other organization that is not responsible for anything.

Due to the fact that the sectoral structure and regulatory framework have been eliminated, the standards used by the old memory have been destroyed, but no one develops them, no one is responsible for them. The relevant ministries were enterprises of science, economics, technology, training, management, materials.

There is a process of de-structuring of scientific organizations, and in all areas: aviation, radio electronics. On the threshold is another sale of enterprises, which does not promise anything good.

We are losing energy security as such. All over the world, the main and main criterion of safety is the state’s ability to produce energy products: internal combustion engines, gas turbine engines, and electric motors. We do not make cars, the need of the engine to the car is lost. We do not produce civil aircraft, we have no need to produce aircraft engines. We do not produce element base. Look, enter any house - not a single domestic receiver, not a single domestic phone. The element base is the quintessence of the information space.

Providing information, energy, material, mobile - we are able to create everything ourselves.

In the Ministry of Defense, the problem is not that there are few technical means. It is important that the entire combat readiness system is destroyed, the system for maintaining technical readiness, the system of personnel training and the regulatory framework are destroyed.

A technological fence is being built between us and the developed countries.

We will try to keep at the level of the Papuans.

We need to develop science. Science must go ahead, above all industry science. Combat readiness depends largely on the state of the industry. And our man, he knows how to fight and will fight, we must give him what.

Anatoly Sitnov,
Chief of Armaments of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (1994 – 2000), Colonel-General


Need munitions ministry

I firmly believe that if the money allocated for the development of the military-industrial complex does not fall under public control, half of this money will be stolen. We need to think about how to create this control, what needs to be done for this.

At one time, we ourselves compiled a technical industrial plan and in December it was approved. At the same time, they were confident that during the whole financial year not a single natural monopolist would increase the price for us. Now there is no such certainty.

We need a law that would prohibit a natural monopolist from manipulating the prices of his services during the financial year.

We now have 50 on 50 in high school: 50 is the state budget, and 50 is a commercial education.

The money spent by the state must be worked out within three years. Let's make those who study, get our education at the expense of the state, then go to the factories - go to work out the education we received.

Peter Romanov,
State Duma deputy, Hero of Socialist Labor


Transportation on foreign aircraft

In my speech I will briefly dwell on two issues: the state of civil aviation technology and the state of aviation industry science, in what position it is today.

Unfortunately, today 85 – 90 percent of traffic in Russia is performed on foreign aircraft. That is, practically civil aviation equipment does not participate in transportation in the industry. This is a huge problem. Although in fact we have beautiful planes: IL-96, Tu-204, Tu-214, Tu-334. They are quite competitive with their foreign counterparts. Everyone knows that. Nevertheless, there is no mass production. Where is she, serial equipment? She is not there either, and no one is going to do it. What, we will continue to fly on the western technology? You understand perfectly well that if civil aviation technology ends, and this applies to personnel, science, and everything, then the production of military equipment will also end in a certain amount of time. It is all interconnected.

In principle, we have our industry today. UAC is developing two aircraft - one of them "Superjet" about a hundred people. And the second machine is being created - MC-21, which should appear and make the first flight in 2016. They used to say: in 2014, in 2015, now this is all moving away to 2016, serial production - to 2017 a year. And by this time Western machines will appear again, A-320-NEO, Boeing-737, which again will not allow us to enter a good international market with our new products, because we will not be the first.

In the car MC-21 laid good new things, especially composite materials. But we are not ready in today's state for the production of the wing of them.

We have no opportunities for this. The fact that TsAGI is now experiencing two Tison, made the Austrian company "Fisher". But this is a good thing. We are gaining knowledge, getting something, but this has very little to do with the real industry. In Kazan and Ulyanovsk, they want to build two new factories or workshops based on old factories to produce these materials.

Europe and America have spent 20 years to master this technology and a lot of money, which we simply do not have. Therefore, it is hard to believe that we in 2015 or 2014 can make a so-called black wing from composite materials. And what will this lead to? If this is not done, then the MC-21 project will go even further. This is what concerns the state of civil aviation technology. Practically, our domestic aviation technology is excluded from the process of transportation of civil aviation. Of course, there is a real tragedy.

And all the time we did new things and worked on the groundwork for five, for ten years, that is, we brought the existing equipment and made the groundwork for the future, but today it is not. And here come the young specialists from the MAI, the level of training both in the MAI and in the Physical and Technical Institute, well, in general in high school, he is now very, unfortunately, lowered. It's clear. Why? Because what can you learn personnel? Frames can be learned from the real business when real planes are built, and they are practically not built. Certain modifications are being made at Sukhoi, at Ilyushin, but there are no new machines.

Vladimir Dmitriev,
Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Deputy Chairman of the Military Industrial Complex under the Government of the Russian Federation (2006 – 2008)


Military equipment with imported equipment

There is a branch of science and technology, which is also decisive in achieving the highest indicators - optics. It is present everywhere: in industry (in all sectors), in agriculture. Russia did not have its own optics, German was used. And, surprisingly, the leader of our revolution, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, a technically illiterate person, thought about it. One of the first government decrees in 1918 was a decree establishing the State Optical Institute in St. Petersburg, Leningrad. Who told him I do not know.

One more. All the old scientists, academics, practical optics - no one emigrated abroad. And since there was no Academy of Sciences, science was created within this institute.

It so happened that in our Academy of Sciences of this unit as such was not. We had two academicians - Prokhorov and Basov, the Nobel Prize laureates - for lasers received it. Everything else was concentrated in the walls of the State Optical Institute.

But in order to destroy the defense industry, you just have to pull one link. This happened: the institution was liquidated, it no longer exists. Since there is no institution, there is no science.

The current remnants of nothing new, fundamental can not create. The only one who has kept all the Soviet achievements is the Lukashenko dad. Belomo operates in Belarus - the largest, second largest enterprise of the optical industry.

I will just give one example: why are we now putting imported equipment in our military equipment?

Here we say: why the "Mace" does not fly? Because they made two major mistakes: they liquidated the institute of military representatives - a unique control body and removed the specialists in the Ministry of Defense, who were equal to our designers. By eliminating this, we lost everything.

If there is no science, what to talk about?

It should be repeated - we liquidated specialists, we liquidated the main designers. Here sits the last outstanding designer, we no longer have. At the head of all put the manager. But money only helps development, they do not create science. At the head of the institute can not stand the manager.

We have no workers. And no matter how much money is allocated, if there are no workers, nothing can be done. We also had a system of vocational schools. There were recruited less affluent people, but there were growing personnel. There is nothing now. Well, how do you imagine how much time is needed to restore this system?

See how any project was previously developed within the walls of institutions. Projects were discussed on technical councils, on board of the ministry. When Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov, the cleverest man who went through all this school, became the Minister of Defense, the main projects were considered at the board of the Ministry.

We had specialized all divisions. Well, how could you have thought of giving our MIT a naval missile "Bulava"? We have a great company "Makeev", Makeevskaya "Sineva" flies, and our "Bulava" will not fly.

In addition, there is still not our electronics. Specialists made mobile complexes. The first rocket was the most secret, called Temp-2С. We have 10 pieces done. Then they were declassified. After “Temp-2C” went “Pioneer”, “Topol” is all “Temp-2С”. Previously, if 11 did not launch positive, the rocket was not put into service.

God forbid that the Bulava was pulled out ... This is a big specificity: a sea rocket and a land rocket.

In addition, there is a problem with specialists - there simply are no young people.

Igor Kornitsky,
President of the Association "Optoelectronic Instrument Engineering"


Fleet out of production


We all know well the achievements of both the Russian shipbuilding industry and the Soviet Ministry of Shipbuilding, as well as the shortcomings. I would like to cite some figures in order to understand what we have left and what we lost.

There was a large shipbuilding program before the Great Patriotic War. Battleships and heavy battle cruisers, not to mention other ships, are mortgaged. Only during the war did we get 211 submarines, but we didn’t have them left from royal times. And 211 received.

But for these twenty two and a half years, we got only three boats.

For 1941 – 1945, the fleet received two light cruisers, 20 destroyers, 40 minesweepers, 59 patrol ships, 15 big hunters, 54 submarines, 900 combat boats.

In 1957, our fleet has already received the first nuclear submarine. Can you imagine what a jump it is! There was also a shock segment - 1966 – 1978 years. 122 nuclear submarines took the Navy for 12 years. The 35 nuclear boat was built in 251 years, and in a year and a half 22 three.

I'm not talking about surface ships, as part of fleet both missile cruisers and heavy nuclear missile cruisers were located, and went on to nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Now we would have at least two or three nuclear aircraft carriers in the North and Pacific Fleets.

Sailors mastered them, all ships carried combat service from three months to one year. But these 22 have passed a year and a half, and the ships are all walking, swimming, performing the task, and these are all our ships. No new in the ocean has not yet appeared. Why?

We all remember: in the Soviet Union there was a plan, there were personal responsibilities. There was a customer - the Navy and the contractor - the Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry. Who is the customer now? I do not know...

You can buy the Crimean factories in Kerch and Feodosia, they built ships of a different kind. Well, create, of course, necessary.

And we need a strict plan and personal responsibility, someone must be responsible for the result. Be sure to control the finances. The navy should be associated with the production of ships. At all times it was, only now is not. Fleet out of production.

Valentin Selivanov,
Chief of General Staff - First Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Navy (1992 – 1996), Admiral


Aging machine park

I think that I will not tell you anything new if I say that the defense of our country and the implementation of its armament program in many respects can be carried out only in the case of modernization, first of all, of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. Because today, without modern technologies, the products of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex certainly cannot meet the requirements that are imposed on it.

If we talk about the structure and condition of the metalworking equipment park, today the park of metalworking machines in the industrial complex of the country, including the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, is calculated on the order of 1,2 – 1,3 million units of machines and presses together. Since 1991, it has shrunk dramatically, in 1991 and 1992, totaled about 3,7 million units. But the saddest thing is that this park is not only quantitatively seriously damaged, it is qualitatively at a very unsatisfactory level today, since more than 80 – 85 percent has been in operation for more than 20 years. These figures suggest that the current equipment is morally and physically outdated and requires a radical update. Moreover, 90 percent, including enterprises of the military-industrial complex, I want to emphasize this particularly - equipment that was produced in its time in the Soviet Union and partly in Russia.

Today, less than 4,5 percent of the total amount of equipment used in the country's industry, has a life of less than five years. Only this equipment can to some extent be called modern and progressive. The skating rink, which rolled in all areas, rolled through the machine tool industry. Over the entire reform period, from 1992 – 1993 to the present, 43 enterprises have died in the industry.

Science has suffered very seriously. Of the 22 branch institutes in the industry, there are six that are practically not engaged in applied, research science, they survive. This is the reality of the present day.

Speaking about the volume of production in the industry, I can demonstrate the graphics. We always show them to our top management if it succeeds. Here is a diagram on the chart: 1991 – 1992 years, when we made 70 thousands of units of machines and presses together per year, by 1997 – 1998-m reached the level of nine thousand, you can see what the decline in production. Balanced at the level of eight to nine thousand to 2008 of the year, in 2008-m production once again fell after the crisis, and now we balance at the level of five to six thousand units per year.

It must be said that we managed to break through a number of government decrees and orders, which to some extent changed the attitude towards the industry as a whole. I think that it’s very important that the industry’s problems began to be discussed at the highest political level, and that today, as we say, the words “machine tool industry” began to be mentioned both by the President and the Prime Minister - also in some degree our victory. I speak a little with irony, but you understand that you probably cannot do without it.

So, we managed last year under the auspices of the Prime Minister to hold a targeted meeting on the machine tool industry. In 2011, a government decree was issued, according to which, for the first time in the last 20 and more, the machine tool industry development subprogramme for the period 2011 – 2016 was approved. Its first stage was implemented during 2011 – 2013. For the first time in more than 20 years, we received five billion budget resources for 2011 – 2013 years, and the industry has begun to manufacture a modern product.

Last year, modern measuring equipment and metalworking equipment were made on the 101 theme, new modern technologies were created for which the equipment was created.

We succeeded in issuing Government Decree No. 2011 in 56, at the end of last year, due to the repeal of FZ-94, it received a new name - 1224 Decree, which was signed on December 24. It is called "On the introduction, on the introduction of prohibitions and restrictions on the supply of products for enterprises working for the needs of the defense and security of the country in the presence of the Russian equivalent." Within the framework of this decree, at the cost of incredible efforts, we were able to establish the priority of domestic products, although the representatives of the military-industrial complex and enterprises of the military-industrial complex are very offended at us. But if there is no domestic consumption market for the machine tool industry, primarily in the defense industry, we will not get the proper development.

I head a working group that prepares the presence or absence of analogs, and I will say that over the past few years, 20 has developed a clear supply system for the enterprises of the military-industrial complex for importing equipment.

We talk a lot about this topic, we argue a lot with enterprises, with heads of enterprises. Yes, we are also not sinless, during this time we have lost to a certain extent the technical level of many developments and the quality of workmanship, but there are no miracles when everything, unfortunately, has subsided.

But nevertheless, as a result of these actions, we managed to persuade many. At the end of 2011, at the request of enterprises of the military-industrial complex, we gave permission to receive 93 per cent of the volume of the product they ordered for import. Today we have already reached the level of the fact that 33 – 35 percent of all applications sent by the defense industry enterprises have a Russian equivalent. So, of course, there is a certain impulse for the development of the domestic market, in order to create a modern product to the requirements of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. And it is very important, I believe that as a result of the implementation of this decree, we have become a little bit closer with the enterprises of the military-industrial complex.

We offer them all the time: “Attract us at the stage of creating technical assignments for the products you are going to produce, so that we develop the equipment for which you will manufacture them for these developed and in the future manufactured products”.

Unfortunately, we have not been able to find a common language for a long time, but now there are already certain advances in this direction, and this is a positive thing.

What do the enterprises of the military-industrial complex need from the point of view of modern technologies?

I assure you, nowhere, in one sphere you will not find complex information, except for us, and only thanks to this 56-th resolution. Because over the past two or three years we have been processing about three thousand applications, we have the opportunity, having accumulated all the needs of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, to form modern trends in metalworking technology, taking into account which we must develop. This is also very important. Therefore, speaking of the state of the industry, I will say that the situation is very difficult, it is critical.

No matter how hard it is, but 20 trillions of rubles have been allocated to re-equip the Russian army, three trillion of this money is intended to re-equip defense enterprises. I think that, probably, it would be expedient to raise the question of allocating at least 10 – 15 percent of these resources to the creation and re-equipment, re-equipping of machine tool enterprises.

I have complete statistics showing how we are limited in the supply of a modern product, we are prohibited from supplying modern equipment to Russia for defense enterprises that work in the field of dual technologies.

If they receive this equipment, it is done in different roundabout ways, through third-fourth countries, but this is not the case. And we have a lot of examples when they stop and shut off foreign equipment, especially American-made. We can recall specific facts, for example, in 2010, and in 2011, and in 2012, when equipment was disconnected at a number of enterprises when it was moved a meter or two from the moment of initial installation.

I consider that it is necessary to use any opportunity, any tribune to convey our concern to the top leaders. For example, we, the machine tool builders, succeeded in approaching Putin several times at various events — and only after that the solution of the issue began and five or six years ago we were able to start forming a subprogram.

Georgy Samodurov,
Head of the Association of Machine Tool Manufacturers


No equivalent to the Defense Council

I would like to highlight two fundamental issues: responsibility and manageability. These are two cardinal problems, and if we do not solve them in the coming years, the defense industry will remain in the same grave condition.

You all remember very well that we had a Defense Council, headed by the General Secretary of the Central Committee. The main defense problems in the country were brought to the Defense Council and general designers and directors of leading production plants were invited there directly. The Defense Council was the highest authority. Now its counterpart is needed, because the country's defense capability is the main task.

I will cite one historical example. In Tula 400 years ago, the first weapons factory was established. Started with private entrepreneurs. One did the trigger, the other trunks, the third ... in general, a dozen companies. Peter the Great was convinced that Russia's private capacity could not be strengthened in private enterprise, and immediately issued a decree on state-owned state-owned factories. That's what saved Russia in later times. Both the successors of Peter — Catherine, and Pavel, and other heads of state — strengthened their defense capability through centralization. And what do we get? We have the opposite, only private enterprise. Do we solve such major issues with private entrepreneurs? Never decide.

Farther. A few years ago I spoke with the article on the MIC - "MIC in the twilight." He remains in the twilight. Four years ago, I said that the Military-Industrial Commission, if it is in fact a commission, should deal with financing issues. With our old Soviet military industrial complex there was a special fund for the development of new products of all kinds: aviation, shipbuilding, electronics, in general, in all areas of the Nine. Now this is not. The military-industrial commission is not able to finance the latest problems. Our military-industrial complex is purely formal, and not an active body.

Further, in terms of manageability. Before this meeting, I spoke with many factory directors and once again made sure that if the state defense order was not formed in the old days at the beginning of the year, then the position on financing slightly shifted. Some plants have approved or signed contracts for several years. Financing is supported at the expense of these contracts, that is, first of all, the issuance of wages, but now it’s bad with defense orders.

Until now, the price - the main problem is that we have delayed contracts on defense orders.

For example, in February, we have not yet created so-called contests. After all, two or three enterprises create contests, and then they only give out, let's say, where they do it cheaper. In our Soviet time, who was the main person in charge? Military representative at the enterprise. The military representative essentially said, this is the price, the director confirms - and there were no competitions, everything was fine, the Ministry of Defense agreed on this price. That's how it was agreed, without any competitions. And now the competition ... It's February already, and there are no competitions yet. After this competition will meet. February will end when we will execute contracts, the state defense order?

In Soviet times, we received a draft plan for this company in December for each enterprise. Coordinated the draft plan in terms of volume, in number, in all parameters. We knew what to do next year and what will be given to us.

Now there is nothing like this. After all, why should the program be in the company? At the expense of this program, the director should think about the number, about all matters related to the arrangement, communications, etc.

And now there is no program. I do not know what I will do not only this year, I do not know what I will do tomorrow. A clear program to 2020, to 2030 of the year, but there is nothing like this among enterprises. In the first place, there should be at least five years for each enterprise to receive a certain amount. But not this.

And the third. Now the enterprises of the military-industrial complex are divided into so-called concerns, associations, and so on and so forth. They then appear, then again they are not. Ultimately, everyone is talking about what? What is needed is a single Ministry of Defense Industry, which should be responsible for everything - both for the control of funding, and for timely contracts.

In short, we now have: some enterprises have gone to nowhere, they have been liquidated. The first task is a personnel problem. How can we provide 25 millions of jobs in the future?

Nikolay Shakhov,
formerly deputy head of the boron industry department of the Central Committee of the CPSU
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  1. AVV
    AVV 26 February 2014 15: 11
    +4
    Problems in the defense industry are being resolved, but not as fast as we would like, Serdyukov got things done, and the lack of control by officials who needed to monitor the industry by post needed to be pulled out by Rogozin and other government officials, the money went and didn’t small, it is necessary not to plunder and correctly proposed Rogozin to qualify theft in the military-industrial complex as a betrayal of the motherland !!!
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 26 February 2014 17: 58
      +5
      Quote: AVV
      Problems in the defense industry are being solved, but not as fast as we would like

      I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder winked
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 26 February 2014 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: Locksmith
        I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder how winked

        I agree, junk 100%!
        Only negative points are given. But there are already positive ones too, and not a few, and in different branches of the national economy. The article is one-sided. The material is in doubt.
      2. avg
        avg 26 February 2014 20: 48
        +4
        Quote: Locksmith
        I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder

        I’m not going to judge how old the article is. But another thing is surprising. All the authors in the ranks are not small, but which of them did what to prevent the collapse that they write about? At the same time, there are many examples when it was vigorous actions that prevented any responsible person from ruining the design bureau, factory, etc. I think that if each of them took at least some steps within their competence, today's article would be more optimistic.
        1. Joker
          Joker 26 February 2014 22: 41
          0
          All the authors in the ranks are not small, but who of them, what did he do to prevent the collapse of which they write about?

          Excuse me, but is the word billionaire written before the rite? Without money, how are you going to pull out something? No money, no development, only stagnation.
    2. ty60
      ty60 26 February 2014 19: 45
      0
      for theft in the military industrial complex for ten years with confiscation. Only I think to disperse first. Completely. they won’t adopt the law on confiscation at home.
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 26 February 2014 17: 12
    +3
    Quote: AVV
    The problems in the defense industry are being solved, but not as fast as I wanted

    What has been destroyed for more than 10 years, in a year, two, three cannot be restored. You just have to solve gradually and whine less "mustache, gone"
    1. teascher
      teascher 26 February 2014 18: 47
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      What has been destroyed for more than 10 years, in a year, two, three cannot be restored. You just have to solve gradually and whine less "mustache, gone"

      And since what year has Putin been in power - almost 14 years. And all gradually, but gradually.
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 19: 48
      +3
      by the way, Hitler had been in power for 12 years, and heaped so much ... still slurping
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 26 February 2014 20: 54
        +4
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        by the way, Hitler stayed in power for 12 years

        Aloizych pulled the nation out of a deep ass, consolidated the nation (albeit with dubious slogans). He planned the nationalization of banks. Here he fell not to the liking of the Judeo-Anglo-Amers.
        And after 39 years, Hitler became furious and, after one five-year period, returned Germany to the position of 30 years ago.
        It became almost like the same Hunchback - just too straightforward and charismatic
        Therefore, the attitude of some modern historians in Germany is twofold. He saved the nation - he almost ruined it. More precisely, he pushed to perdition. Finish already without him ...
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 21: 21
          +1
          I mean what can be done in 12 years. And you can do IBD all your life (imitation of violent activity)
  3. Bashkortostan
    Bashkortostan 26 February 2014 17: 28
    -20%
    Russia's problems are not in armaments, but in interethnic conflict. Russia is not a country, but a fragile union of independent (unofficially) republics.
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 26 February 2014 18: 03
      +3
      petty mind provocateur?
    2. bagel
      bagel 26 February 2014 18: 12
      +1
      Well, why doesn’t the Federation set it as a task to make Caucasians an example of the Muslim world? For every Caucasian in higher education, at least, education lowers the degree of aggression, plus we get the engineers and specialists we need.
      1. bagel
        bagel 26 February 2014 18: 17
        0
        As I introduced, why not? So many rabbits at once in one fell swoop, compulsory higher education for the entire Caucasus laughing
      2. ty60
        ty60 26 February 2014 19: 50
        +2
        they already want to become graduates. They just don’t want to study, buy a diploma. And by profession they work, but there is a market nearby.
    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 26 February 2014 18: 29
      +2
      This is the United States, not a country, but a banana republic. Russia is the only superpower in the world. Peaceful and kind, not attacking anyone, but if you attack Russia, it will kill the enemy. That's all.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 26 February 2014 20: 59
        0
        Quote: Alex Danilov
        Russia is the only superpower in the world. Peaceful and kind, not attacking anyone, but if you attack Russia, it will kill the enemy. That's all.

        Oh, yoptyt .... belay
        But is there something more specific? Or confine ourselves to this position. It says about the military-industrial complex. laughing
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 26 February 2014 20: 32
      +5
      And please tell me, was there a republic of Bashkiria in tsarist Russia? And she appeared, correctly, in the USSR. And then separatist sentiment began. We are a state that was forcibly annexed to the USSR. When did the Russians stir up ethnic strife? It is you, the Tatars, and others. They constantly kindle the nat. discord. They don’t give you life. Not! Just some of your citizens want to become khans or shahs. Just remember that the shah is one, and the rest, like slaves are shy at him. Ordinary people do not win anything.
  4. Dimsan
    Dimsan 26 February 2014 17: 31
    +7
    The article is good, no doubt. But about the automatic loader is a very controversial moment! Yes, and about the shipyards in Ukraine, I’m tired of reading and listening to the order, we have dozens of factories at our place, and we remember about long ago overseas ... well, silly!
  5. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 26 February 2014 17: 34
    +7
    Correctly said in due time Comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything. Wrong cadres have been leading our country since 1993. So we have as a result what is described in the article.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 26 February 2014 18: 07
      +14
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything.

      And rightly so. Frames, Brains and Volya, including the "political" ...

      And what has changed. Кthe hellas that destroyed the country were in the same places (though they were reusable), the resident is the same as he did 200 Oligarchs from the beginning of the 2nd year, (he also hangs out, then with Medvedev (with Kabaeva))) ...
      In Rostekhnologii, a specialist-Serdyukov was hurt ...

      Automobile plant "Ural" on the verge of closure ....
      KAMAZ can no longer make a car without imported components ....
      No electronics, wait. People got caught who in America in the Store (funny))))))) bought "dual-use" boards - the Russians will use them in military sights)))
      And we sell space engines ourselves (TECHNOLOGIES OF PURE MILITARY PURPOSE)))
      And more US military satellites - we launch the remnants of the "Voevod" Satan (according to NATO qualifications)))

      People get sick, write articles, and in Petrozavodsk the shipyard is being closed-He is the only one who can make LARGE-tonnage hulls (not magnetic)) for mine sweepers ....

      Yes, and by the order of the Government from July, the electricity tariffs are increased, and the Kola Atomic is transferring its assemblies to 50% of capacity - NO CONSUMERS))))) And this is extremely unprofitable, since the "assemblies" can work for a while and preferably for FULL POWER)))))

      In general, the same as in the article, only briefly))) We are dying of Comrades, about brown marches in the media and TV, with the support of Ura-kryakalok on the forum with "epaulettes" of sergeants (they sing mantras A Russian woman rises from her knees)))) )

      bitterly: I’m traveling around the Country and see something else.
      By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is being shut down in a single-industry town, another 40 electrolysis baths were stopped a week - 5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)))))))
      Absolutely survived, but not They alone))))
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 26 February 2014 18: 52
        +5
        Greetings, Vladimir.
        I'll start from the end ...
        Quote: Asgard
        5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)

        Here it is necessary not to engage in recruiting, but to stimulate the neighbors of "modera Romanov" to increase the birth rate in the region itself. And how can you make people multiply, if the resource-supplying companies "tarian hoht zalu.pirt", when a good salary, even in the military-industrial complex, goes into the pockets of "money bugs".
        Even, which I absolutely do not believe, if we manage to persuade people from the Central Organ of Russia to "move the camp" to the East, then who will work in the remaining positions.
        A very fresh example. The "Zelenodolsk Shipyard", which has been remembered more than once, is filled with orders for military (and not only) ships for ten years in advance. Last year, the foundation was laid for a new hull welding boathouse. Only there are no welders. Locksmiths and turners, in the majority, are already 50-60 years old. To people - to some machines even more. If men can still stand at the machines, then age no longer allows to carry frames and stringers.
        But there is no youth, and therefore abandoned the construction site. But in the vacancies, a list of 2 A4 sheets.

        For the rest, something got sick of saying. There are many conversations — good, ideologically correct, conversations. And there is work! And they say there is money. There are NO people. Only...
        "Record" for fertility ... Where? In which regions? If you superimpose the fertility chart by region on the schedule of closed enterprises, what will the picture show? Right. The inverse relationship ...

        About the state in the agricultural complex? Oh, better not. Dry mixes will customize the Swedes and Japanese. Cucumbers and potatoes are Chinese and Jews. What kind of electronics ...
        I bought a satellite dish. The latest model of the receiver, in which stands / as stated / "The first Russian percent. Fully developed and assembled in Russia."
        Very well! Now we will sell it to the Papuans, and again we will buy agricultural products. After all, our country is all in the Arctic.
        Bastard, yes bast, start over ...
        Again, some kind of skew is seen. Is it really impossible to simultaneously distribute funds for "rockets and corn" ... Khrushchev succeeded, Brezhnev more or less.
        About that and the article.
      2. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 19: 40
        +5
        their brains have been completely brainwashed by this 1 "channel," VVP said, that is correct. Gasoline has risen in price, that's right, they drove the Olympiard for some unknown reason, so they get pride ... But UAZ stopped the conveyor, I live nearby, I know. KAPO named after Gorbunov (in Kazan) stopped producing Tu-214. And this "modernization of the novels" drives a foreign car, probably, and not Lada-Kalina (although the president himself drove) and did not leave the Moscow Ring Road
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 26 February 2014 20: 45
          +2
          We caught a wedge and introduced the neologism "modernity of novels" into circulation. Whom to fit this definition? If Sanya is Romanov, then I would assume that he, on the contrary, "WAS NOT ENROLLED WITHIN THE Moscow Ring Road". With DV he.
          So I drive a brand new German "SUV" and I have an uncovered "Schengen", but today I had to go shopping and buy some instrument - that's when I got on * opo. From the "industrial growth of Russian industry."
          Launch and develop new aircraft. WELL!
          Boats lay and plan with the bookmark. FINE!
          Cars, some have two in the family. GOOD TOO!

          And today I bought CHINESE shovels, forks and rakes. And also a hammer, pliers, a hacksaw, screwdrivers and something else ...
          Tags are like tags, but you read carefully, so one "sha-o-lin" and "hong-gil-dong".
          Let not the Finnish "Fiskars", but at least some "Tomskchermet" - there must be ... Otherwise, all "independence" is down the drain. I'm not talking about household power tools. It is apparently difficult to make it in general, let alone a "walking excavator", a carrier "Proton" or PAKFA T-50. Here they are ready to be made in abundance, but a tin toy - well, it just doesn't work ...
          A lot of talk about starting a business. Where? Close to big cities. And what to do to people in thousands of Russian villages. Everyone move to the city? And who will feed the city? China....
          A lot of nasty hunger picker? But with a Chinese hammer. And then not here, were there articles in which smart people talk about the reasons for the growth of China itself? And there they started with just small and medium, often private, business. He brings taxes and income to the treasury of the state, from which you can draw on tanks and planes.
          There should be a balance, and then the BEND ...
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 21: 27
            0
            Well, then it drives a right-hand drive Japanese woman. They almost didn’t raise an uprising when our government wanted to ban right-wing steering :) it means that he also opposed the government :) and also Moder from the authorities ... ah-ah and where only the authorities look ...
      3. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 27 February 2014 02: 11
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is closed in a single-industry town

        There is such a problem: aluminum is not needed in the world in such quantities: the dishes are not popular, beer cans, too, windows are made of plastic. All tend to buy wires from copper.
        The crisis of overproduction.
  6. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 February 2014 17: 53
    +5
    The article has a lot of interesting things.
    At least that voiced questions with the staff.

    But here it is:
    But in practice, when performing training shooting exercises on the move, for emerging and moving targets, not all trained crews manage to accurately fire three shots in two minutes, allotted for showing the target. And this is natural. In real shooting, the crew needs to detect the target, determine the range, corrections for the wind and the movement of the target, enter the initial data into the sight, aim and shoot. After the shot, evaluate the results of the shooting, if necessary, make amendments again, aim and re-shoot. Thus, in a combat situation, the crew, using the loading mechanism, is capable of firing no more than two aimed shots per minute.
    With this in mind, the expediency of an automatic loader in a tank is extremely doubtful. After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified service, prone to difficult failures, a large part of the tank’s internal volume is occupied by its installation, which worsens the already insufficient crew ergonomics and disunites it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew because of the large number of elements of the mechanism moving in the open space of the combat compartment.

    Crap is complete ....
    Excuse me, Comrade Colonel General, but it is from you Yuri Dmitrievich... did not expect this.
    request
    Wonderful.
    1. ty60
      ty60 26 February 2014 20: 31
      0
      2s3 acacia. The presence of ammunition in the barrel bore already gives an advantage. Even a regular HE briefly takes the tower with 54 ki when it hits the lure. On the ZhUTSe he put it like that. Although, it’s more likely by accident. 80 year
  7. Jager
    Jager 26 February 2014 17: 54
    +4
    With this in mind, the expediency of an automatic loader in a tank is extremely doubtful. After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified service, prone to difficult failures, a large part of the tank’s internal volume is occupied by its installation, which worsens the already insufficient crew ergonomics and disunites it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew because of the large number of elements of the mechanism moving in the open space of the combat compartment. etc. etc.

    And this nonsense is carried by the head of the Main Directorate of the Ground Forces ??? After that I quit reading the article. It seems like a smart person should be, the exam has not yet passed, but SUCH to freeze ...
  8. bagel
    bagel 26 February 2014 18: 06
    +4
    If the truth were to be needed, then we would pay more for it, but the authorities have more than their own pockets.
  9. Intensive
    Intensive 26 February 2014 18: 24
    +2
    It seems that Serdyukov was removed (the ones who installed it), and there are state defense orders, but somehow, there is somehow no seriousness regarding the stated intentions to increase the country's defense capability. There is no deep penetration into the existing problems in the defense industry.
    1. servant
      servant 26 February 2014 18: 54
      0
      Why are you all clinging to Serdyukov? All that is now entering the troops is all under contracts concluded by the hated minister. Where are the new contracts? One blab ....
  10. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 26 February 2014 18: 27
    0
    Anyway, the Russians should have EVERYTHING better, stronger, faster and smarter, more reliable and more durable, at the same time, YOURSELF not to buy abroad, but to do YOURSELF. And Russians should be the best.
    Yes, about a charging machine, a controversial question, do you prepare tankitsit better. Do you understand that with the help of science and new technologies war can change radically? You need to develop everything, in all directions and in all directions, improve everything and do better, faster stronger, smarter and so on.
    1. ty60
      ty60 26 February 2014 20: 44
      0
      My friend, quickly charged, quickly shot. Everything else is a problem of guidance systems. However, you need to adjust the entire complex to the maximum possible, and not to poorly trained fighters. While we are solving problems with sights, rangefinders, calculations, the automatic charging device works, problems are being improved. the new sight has an EXERCISED loading mechanism. Where were the author’s brains?
  11. kind
    kind 26 February 2014 18: 37
    +4
    The money spent by the state must be worked out within three years. Let's make those who study, get our education at the expense of the state, then go to the factories - go to work out the education we received.

    A few days ago I talked with an assistant professor at the Department of Atomic Energy at the Federal University, and so he told me that more than 50% of the students in their faculty have insufficient secondary education, study poorly, and are not going to work in their specialty. Why then do we teach them, spend time and money on their studies ??? We made a request to the university library for students to visit it. We were told that, in addition to teachers and graduate students, very rarely anyone visits them. As a result, many current students are not capable of analyzing logical thinking. They are looking for answers to basic questions on the Internet and without it are completely helpless. Here they are the fruits of progress.

    Yes, I forgot, the salary of a teacher in a prestigious technical university is 10-15 thousand rubles.
    The old people will leave soon, but there is practically no replacement for them. We will invite from abroad ??? So they will not go for the money. Yes, and they do not need it.
    1. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 26 February 2014 23: 02
      0
      The collapse of education is one of the collapse of Russia planned by the "unknown fathers". Unfortunately, society (including you and me) "swallows, chews and keeps silent" (you don't go to rallies with posters, I really do too, but that's not an excuse). So that everything is according to plan crying
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 26 February 2014 18: 37
    +4
    That's how we live. Roly is, there is no Manka. Manka is, there is no Vanka. And survived to impotence. And there is money, and the girl is good, but we can’t do anything. Seen Viagra is not enough. In the form of a good pendal.
  13. voliador
    voliador 26 February 2014 18: 42
    0
    When they fell apart, they only thought about how to fill their pockets as soon as possible. And now the roasted cock pecked in the ass.
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 February 2014 18: 48
    -5
    Quote: Asgard
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything.

    And rightly so. Frames, Brains and Volya, including the "political" ...

    And what has changed. Кthe hellas that destroyed the country were in the same places (though they were reusable), the resident is the same as he did 200 Oligarchs from the beginning of the 2nd year, (he also hangs out, then with Medvedev (with Kabaeva))) ...
    In Rostekhnologii, a specialist-Serdyukov was hurt ...

    Automobile plant "Ural" on the verge of closure ....
    KAMAZ can no longer make a car without imported components ....
    No electronics, wait. People got caught who in America in the Store (funny))))))) bought "dual-use" boards - the Russians will use them in military sights)))
    And we sell space engines ourselves (TECHNOLOGIES OF PURE MILITARY PURPOSE)))
    And more US military satellites - we launch the remnants of the "Voevod" Satan (according to NATO qualifications)))

    People get sick, write articles, and in Petrozavodsk the shipyard is being closed-He is the only one who can make LARGE-tonnage hulls (not magnetic)) for mine sweepers ....

    Yes, and by the order of the Government from July, the electricity tariffs are increased, and the Kola Atomic is transferring its assemblies to 50% of capacity - NO CONSUMERS))))) And this is extremely unprofitable, since the "assemblies" can work for a while and preferably for FULL POWER)))))

    In general, the same as in the article, only briefly))) We are dying of Comrades, about brown marches in the media and TV, with the support of Ura-kryakalok on the forum with "epaulettes" of sergeants (they sing mantras A Russian woman rises from her knees)))) )

    bitterly: I’m traveling around the Country and see something else.
    By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is being shut down in a single-industry town, another 40 electrolysis baths were stopped a week - 5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)))))))
    Absolutely survived, but not They alone))))

    Well done Asgard! ! You can read only "pleasure" you can shoot yourself right away .. Just wait for figs! You know how to tinker in the souls .. and you all go somewhere and go .. And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..) I'm just my observations and VAF, this also applies .. (super specialists damn .. in all areas)))) Here are the things ..
  15. EvilLion
    EvilLion 26 February 2014 18: 48
    +1
    After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified maintenance, it is prone to hard-to-repair failures, a significant part of the internal volume of the tank is occupied for its installation, which worsens the already insufficient ergonomics of the crew, disconnected it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew due to the large number of movement elements in the open compartment of the fighting compartment of the mechanism.


    Nonsense, the inclusion of a loader in terms of internal volume consumption is even more costly, and this is an increase in the size of the tank without any benefit, or a decrease in protection. The work of a loader in a tank is an occupation in itself extremely dangerous, and only moving parts there, only the cannon with the stabilizer turned on is worth something. And I recommend remembering the accident in the final of the tank biathlon. I have no doubts that things like that with the same "Abrams", cases when the loader, with his hands moving a heavy projectile in a moving car, is injured, occur constantly.

    As you know, a combat vehicle requires constant maintenance, engineering equipment of a position in battle and its constant protection. Only to guard the car in a combat position, crew members, alternating every two hours, having no place to rest, being in a straitened position inside the car, lose their working capacity after three or four days, not to mention the ability to conduct combat operations. It is no accident that during the war the T-34 tank had a crew of five people, including a radio operator gunner.


    Yeah, and in aviation, in general, 1-2 fly, and 20 people serve them. Let's face it, a tank with its ammunition load on the 1-2 battlefield and a fuel reserve of at most 500 km has absolutely zero autonomy and can only operate as part of a unit where a lot of people work for the crew, starting from drivers of vehicles with ammunition. A tank breaking away from its own will be abandoned by the crew in a couple of days anyway, and if it is not possible to evacuate, it will be blown up. So what the hell to put in a tank, where so close yet another potential corpse? Let him sit in the unit and, by order of the tank commander, between the battles, the cannon helps to clean and load shells.
  16. bubla5
    bubla5 26 February 2014 18: 55
    0
    Again, they dumped for 1986, slow-witted bullshit, while the industry was still flourishing, it all started with a drunkard in 1991, with its default and impoverishment of the population, the closure of vocational schools, I only remember 140 vocational schools closed in a city with 4 tons of population, and so everywhere in the USSR. So those still young reformers Chubais, Kiriyenko, Germans and so on ruined the country
  17. Intensive
    Intensive 26 February 2014 19: 09
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)


    What rotten then he said everything is so. They are activating factories, they are changing poor leadership to incompetent. Nothing is done fundamentally. Technical re-equipment is not carried out. Salaries at the expense of suverurochny are supported. 10 is exported and 1 unit to Russia.
  18. tochila
    tochila 26 February 2014 19: 29
    0
    AZ in the tank is the success of our designers! Imported tanks in terms of dimensions are just a grenade launcher's dream !!!
  19. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 19: 30
    +1
    Europe and America have spent 20 years to master this technology and a lot of money, which we simply do not have. Therefore, it is hard to believe that we in 2015 or 2014 can make a so-called black wing from composite materials. And what will this lead to? If this is not done, then the MC-21 project will go even further. This is what concerns the state of civil aviation technology. Practically, our domestic aviation technology is excluded from the process of transportation of civil aviation. Of course, there is a real tragedy.
    and the Olympiad then profiled ...
  20. Karabin
    Karabin 26 February 2014 19: 34
    0
    In 2000, the tank was worth 17,5 million, now - more than 140.

    The increase in the cost of the tank an average of 9,5 million per year. To a brighter future in 2020, at such a rate the tank will rise in price to 205 million, and this is subject to the inflation rate of the previous decade. In addition to tanks, other types of armaments were pathetically announced by 2020, the rise in prices for which since 2000 is hardly inferior to tank ones. This is one of the reasons that the rearmament program will ultimately fail.
  21. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 February 2014 19: 39
    -2
    Quote: Intensive
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)


    What rotten then he said everything is so. They are activating factories, they are changing poor leadership to incompetent. Nothing is done fundamentally. Technical re-equipment is not carried out. Salaries at the expense of suverurochny are supported. 10 is exported and 1 unit to Russia.

    And what is hinting at then ..? Burn tires? "Putin get out .." Asgart for the presidency ..? Why whine .. When in Russia in its entire history it was easy ..? This is a pure saboteur ..! clever I do not argue but these are the most dangerous ones that drip and drip drop by drop of poison In the days of the humpback, too, so on the brain dripped and dripped little by little .. And then everyone knows what happened .. Confusion and disorder! So, with my opinion, I still have a flair for saboteurs ... Excuse me ..
  22. The contemplative
    The contemplative 26 February 2014 19: 48
    0
    It seems to me that the title of the article "There is money - the case for weapons" does not fully reflect the meaning that was put into it during the "round table" on the topic "Is the military-industrial complex of Russia able to provide the army with modern weapons?" Although the participants in the discussion correctly understand the meaning of the topic of the "round table", nevertheless, the administration of the site regarding this news may have an opinion different from the opinion of the authors of the materials.
  23. Rem
    Rem 26 February 2014 19: 58
    +1
    Met a young guy in the morning (got a job for us)
    me: where I served
    he: infantry
    me: what kind of troops are these
    he: infantry (perplexed)
    me: who was that doing that
    he: infantry didn’t do anything
    me: what a part
    he: don't know infantry
    me: well on chevrons that was something
    he: there was nothing


    they talked
    and then a new modern weapon - to whom? they don’t even have insignia
  24. loginovich
    loginovich 26 February 2014 20: 10
    +1
    A curiously distinguished lawyer of the GDP reads such articles or takes a word for the accountants Chubais Curly Gref.
  25. AlexA
    AlexA 26 February 2014 20: 11
    +3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)

    Well, you can, of course, calm yourself down like "It's okay, beautiful marquise." Only self-deception will be more dangerous than alarmist sentiments.
    Asgard, though crushing with emotions, but sets out everything on the case.
    Quote: Locksmith
    I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder

    And here's another "pacifier". Yes, the article is not outdated, but too late. These problems were outlined 20 years ago. And to this day NOTHING has been done to rectify the situation. Without going into technical details (technical solutions are always a debatable issue), it should be admitted that the authors of the article are right in emphasizing the main problem - the lack of young qualified personnel. And without them, you can throw as many trillions as you like, and all of them will only be plundered.
    So do not wring the little cap, but think about how you can support these concerned specialists. They are talking business.
  26. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 February 2014 20: 17
    +2
    The issue of personnel, the most basic, the heart of the problem, will not be resolved. In the coordinate system built now, it cannot be solved in principle, therefore all other arguments about the remaining shortcomings are generally pure theory, a spherical horse in a vacuum.
    I’ll tell you more, there is a rapid technical degradation of the rest of the world, the whole civilization is collapsing before our eyes! The reasons? Yes, as easy as shelling pears. The world is captured by the financial elite. And this is really a post-industrial society, which is about to free itself from the industry, and therefore from the 9 / 10 of humanity.
    The modern world is built by engineers, and it is engineers who support its functioning.
    But ... Well, let's take our factory, any. Who should be the plant manager? He should be a technical specialist who for decades rose to the top of a large production. Who is he now? And the choice. The first director, the most numerous, is a bandit. Prokhorov. That is, the trade union organization responsible for sports, and so - a bloody murderer and a vile thief. The next one is an effective manager. That is, a bandit from the gang of the first director with financial education and managerial training. What is manager training? This is training in dastardly tricks that allow, through the imposition of abomination and hatred, to raise indicators for a short time in order to have time to get a profitable job before the fall of the company. Further - a purely financier. The man is a "cost reduction", of the production methods, who knows the only one - cutting everything. Well, sonny daughter. Regardless of education, a high specialist in cocaine, women and feces on the heads of one and all. All.
    Tell me, good people, what methods of our managerial elite are suitable for high-tech production? Shooting? Pitting and cheating? A consistent decrease in salaries, the quality of raw materials, and the voltage in the light bulbs in the workshop (the pressure in the streetlights that illuminate our roads is already 180B. Which leads to a decrease in the life of the lamps by several times. But the financial report ...) Or can they help us in the production of spacecraft orgies?
    Further. The few remaining engineers. In some places they even get paid with a gnashing of teeth! But do you really think that raising production is a salary? Raising production, this is the work of a large engineering team for wear, and most importantly ... Do you know what is most important? Engineer's word should be DECISIVE. That is, in general. That is completely. Can you imagine that ?! Here sit Prokhorov and the one who knows how the Prokhorov plant works. And the engineer says - give so much money, do what I say and don’t go where you don’t need to. And ... Well, you get the point.
    This is a dead end, and in the current staffing of the entire administrative elite of the country, it is unsolvable. Engineers don't know how to shoot back. Therefore, they cannot defeat the bandits themselves. Engineers do not know how to steal from everyone with the help of clever financial schemes. Therefore, they will not move the financiers. Engineers cannot move progress and take production out of place and the role of spittoon. And "measures to enhance the role ... to stimulate" and other deception will not do anything. Nothing at all. There will be no modern industry and no breakthrough in technology under existing conditions. WILL NOT BE.
  27. sxn278619
    sxn278619 26 February 2014 20: 18
    0
    We must take an example from the United States. The Central Bank will print more money and then everything will be fine.
  28. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 February 2014 20: 33
    -1
    Quote: AlexA
    Well, you can, of course, calm yourself down like "It's okay, beautiful marquise." Only self-deception will be more dangerous than alarmist sentiments.
    Asgard, though crushing with emotions, but sets out everything on the case.

    I didn’t seem to write that "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast .." Otherwise, you shouldn't just be smart here on the forum .. (alarmist moods.) laughing Such "specialists" of all the troops and politicians simply slaughter and ridicule those who really support the military-industrial complex .. they are simply afraid to write here (they do it clumsily and not so "professionally"))) to rush Russia now all the masters and specialists .. That's it! You spit into the well from which you will have to drink. There are a lot of young people trying to write with their muzzles in the mud .. Conclusion before you write "true truth", think for whom and why you need it .. No need to promote yourself ..!
  29. The contemplative
    The contemplative 26 February 2014 20: 39
    -1
    If, to follow - It is necessary to take an example from the USA. The Central Bank will print more money and then everything will be fine, then we will support a foreign economy through the acquisition of their goods. In the United States, money printing is accompanied by procedures for their placement in various countries for humanitarian programs (projects) and the enslavement of these countries to the United States in the form of debt obligations for cash (imported) funds, and other schemes are practiced. For example, the Salvation Army and other structures were created at the time.
  30. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 26 February 2014 20: 44
    +3
    This is the result of the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. For so many years, the military industrial complex was destroyed. In the conditions of the market in Russia there are no very rich military industrialists who would see in the production of ultramodern weapons an opportunity for long-term enrichment. A return to socialism in the military-industrial complex because of Putin is impossible, because he is also in the same harness with a greedy dog ​​pack.
  31. iv82an
    iv82an 26 February 2014 20: 48
    +2
    In early February, a round table was held in the State Duma on the topic: "Is the Russian military-industrial complex capable of providing the army with modern weapons?" The forum was chaired by State Duma deputy, member of the State Duma Defense Committee Vyacheslav Tetekin.


    Again "round table". Again they carry water in the sieve, but they carry firewood to the forest.

    I also wanted to refer to one historical (literary) example.
    Zinoviev, grabbing a handful of his beard, said:
    - I would have to impose some more to apply to the settlements and settlements ... Well, I would like to salt ...
    Prince Volkonsky, a sharp-witted old man, replied:
    - There is no tax on bast shoes yet ...
    “Truly, truly,” the boyars rustled, “men wear twelve pairs of bast shoes a year, put two tribute money on a pair of bast shoes,” and we’ll beat the khan.
    It became easy for the boyars. We decided the case. Some wiped sweat, others twirled their fingers, swelled. Others were relieved to let the evil spirit into their fur coats. Outwitted Vasily Vasilievich. He did not give up, - breaking the rank, jumped up, rattled with a cane.
    - Madmen! Beggars - throw treasure into the mud! Hungry - push away the hand that holds out the bread ... But what, the Lord has darkened your minds? In all Christian countries, - and there are such that our county is not worth it, trade is growing fat, people are getting richer, everyone is looking for their own benefits ... Only we doze off solidly ... Like a plague, people run pinkly, - desperately .. Forests are full of robbers ... And they go wherever they look ... Soon Russian land will be called desert! Come, Swede, Englishman, Turks - own ...

    A. Tolstoy "Peter I"


    I do not understand such phrases
    There are orders, there is money, but there is no one to work


    Who invented that there is nobody to work? From the release of my group in KB, research institutes only 2 people work.
    I know an example. From the release of 9 people, only one remained in Russia, the rest over the hill. Prof. unsuitable and therefore not taken to the research institute?

    Main phrase
    Before 90, interesting work, its prestige, the prestige of the enterprise in the world allowed young specialists from the best universities to be received. Today, they are the backbone of firms. But now those who want to work in the defense industry have become much smaller and simply are not enough. It is necessary to take unusual measures and we should not forget that it takes years to grow a specialist.

    Vladimir Svetlov,
    General Director of IBC "Torch" (1991 – 2006)


    Only embarrassing

    OJSC MKB Fakel offers for rent warehouse, production and office areas of 20 sq. M. m. up to 1000 square meters. m. Open areas from 0,1 ha.
    Rental rates are anti-crisis.

    The company requires: Young specialists, graduates of 2012-2014, graduated from technical universities with qualifications of engineers:
    for work by designers, technologists, electricians, testers, meters, programmers and other technical specialties.
    Salary from 35 thousand rubles + compensation for rental housing (for nonresident). Citizenship of the Russian Federation.


    P.S. Picture question! Where is the entrance to the headquarters of the VEGA RADIO CONCERN?
  32. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 February 2014 20: 53
    +3
    ... in Russia over the past decades there has been a real "deengineering."

    But this is nothing but sabotage on a national scale. A group of scoundrels that promised "heaven in 500 days" destroyed industry, plundered all the country's resources, destroyed education.
    Under the USSR, applicants at the entrance exams represented the level of knowledge - the ADMISSION COMMISSION, and now a "dense" person can become a student according to the results of FALSE USE results. Moreover, the government creates all the "conditions" for people who were educated in Russia, who are something of themselves, ready-made specialists, to become "gasters" in search of work with a decent salary in gayrope and the USA, but to Russia the doors are open to illiterate, unskilled people who only "increase" the crime rate in the country.
    Why country Stupid follows US DIRECTIONS and GayRops? What, the EXPERIENCE of life of FATHERS and GRANDFATHES - down the drain? Themselves "with a mustache", only for these "mustaches" are pulled by "mentors", and as time shows, to complete collapse.
  33. AlexA
    AlexA 26 February 2014 21: 20
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Such "specialists" of all the troops and politicians simply slaughter and ridicule those who actually support the military-industrial complex .. they are simply afraid to write here (they are clumsy and not so "professional"))) all the experts and specialists are now rushing Russia ... That's it


    You can, of course, those who at least doubt something, angrily branded "enemies of Russia." Only here reality presents bitter pills. For example:

    26.02.2014/18/06, Moscow 06:XNUMX:XNUMX The State Duma rejected the appeal of a group of deputies to initiate a parliamentary investigation into the activities of the former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov.
    http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140226180606.shtml
    And here's another.
    No less significant event was the information that the defense of the ex-Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov sent a request to the Investigative Committee to apply amnesty to his client in honor of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949990666103

    Such information does not give reason for complacency. Therefore, it is not the enthusiastic cries of "Urya!" And the call to "get someone!" But the raising of concern about the situation to the country's leadership.
    For reference: he worked in rocket engine building for 35 years. So I am writing about what I know and what I see with my own eyes.
    And young people need to know the whole picture. And that’s good, and that’s not very good.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 27 February 2014 22: 09
      0
      Quote: AlexA
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Such "specialists" of all the troops and politicians simply slaughter and ridicule those who actually support the military-industrial complex .. they are simply afraid to write here (they are clumsy and not so "professional"))) all the experts and specialists are now rushing Russia ... That's it


      You can, of course, those who at least doubt something, angrily branded "enemies of Russia." Only here reality presents bitter pills. For example:

      26.02.2014/18/06, Moscow 06:XNUMX:XNUMX The State Duma rejected the appeal of a group of deputies to initiate a parliamentary investigation into the activities of the former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov.
      http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140226180606.shtml
      And here's another.
      No less significant event was the information that the defense of the ex-Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov sent a request to the Investigative Committee to apply amnesty to his client in honor of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
      http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949990666103

      Such information does not give reason for complacency. Therefore, it is not the enthusiastic cries of "Urya!" And the call to "get someone!" But the raising of concern about the situation to the country's leadership.
      For reference: he worked in rocket engine building for 35 years. So I am writing about what I know and what I see with my own eyes.
      And young people need to know the whole picture. And that’s good, and that’s not very good.

      Plus you ..! and yet there should be a golden mean between "urakles" like me .. and "everything is gone .. all thieves" .. I will not name nicknames (everyone knows) .. I would remind you that in Russia there has never been practically time for everything well ! Just alarmism, criticism, and betrayal of the Motherland go alongside .. I think so ..! You "specialists" just whine how bad and ruined everything .. I would have shot these right away! If you can't do without whining, be quiet like "Yeah .."
  34. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 26 February 2014 21: 39
    +1
    the problem with the staff must be solved by offering poor young people to study for free on the necessary specialties with a guarantee of employment and a decent salary (of course, with an agreement on the after-school period of compulsory working out and control over studies). Work with talented students in this direction with the payment of special scholarships. to lure foreign specialists (and from other industries). And do not say that it will be to the detriment of something - VPK ALWAYS AND ANYWHERE a development tractor
  35. Cristall
    Cristall 26 February 2014 21: 55
    0
    Quote: iv82an
    .
    Zinoviev, grabbing a handful of his beard, said:
    - I would have to impose some more to apply to the settlements and settlements ... Well, I would like to salt ...
    Prince Volkonsky, a sharp-witted old man, replied:
    - There is no tax on bast shoes yet ...
    “Truly, truly,” the boyars rustled, “men wear twelve pairs of bast shoes a year, put two tribute money on a pair of bast shoes,” and we’ll beat the khan.
    It became easy for the boyars. We decided the case. Some wiped sweat, others twirled their fingers, swelled. Others were relieved to let the evil spirit into their fur coats. Outwitted Vasily Vasilievich. He did not give up, - breaking the rank, jumped up, rattled with a cane.
    - Madmen! Beggars - throw treasure into the mud! Hungry - push away the hand that holds out the bread ... But what, the Lord has darkened your minds? In all Christian countries, - and there are such that our county is not worth it, trade is growing fat, people are getting richer, everyone is looking for their own benefits ... Only we doze off solidly ... Like a plague, people run pinkly, - desperately .. Forests are full of robbers ... And they go wherever they look ... Soon Russian land will be called desert! Come, Swede, Englishman, Turks - own ...

    A. Tolstoy "Peter I"

    I quoted it myself and love this example ... 300 years already, and phrases of winged wings as for today
  36. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 27 February 2014 01: 13
    0
    So that all the flywheels, wheels in the state machine, and from it in the industry "spin", I will not again rely on Joseph Vissarionovich - although he was the last of the greats, but they call these great STATE GOVERNMENTS! you can count them (managers) on one hand. Therefore, practically all development programs are stalled in our country, not just the defense industry.
  37. Yves762
    Yves762 27 February 2014 01: 43
    0
    I understand that the article is a copy-paste from this http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19271

    There may be someone thread and gash this one (not indisputable, but still):http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19272
  38. valokordin
    valokordin 27 February 2014 03: 41
    +1
    The letter of respected people reflects the situation in the military-industrial complex so correctly that no triumphant reports of our leadership are true. The collapse, one collapse and only gas and oil do not allow the country to fall apart. All this corrupt media mosquitoes act out comedy and hang noodles for ordinary citizens. The Grand Duma did not accept the proposal of the Communist Party to conduct a parliamentary investigation into the activities of the Hero of Russia Marshal Serdyukov. Why are you afraid? or themselves are involved in something or not for 37 years. Involuntarily you come to the conclusion that the Soviet government saved the country, but now it will not be allowed to revive and they will sing fairy tales about effective managers, in Russian clerks like an unsinkable red-headed agent of influence.