There is money - it's up to arms

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[AVV]

Problems in the defense industry are being solved, but not as quickly as we would like, Serdyukov has also made a mess of things here, and there is a lack of control by officials, who should have been monitoring the industry by virtue of their position! Rogozin and other government officials need to pull everything out, money has come in and not a small amount, it is necessary that they not steal and Rogozin was right to suggest classifying theft in the military-industrial complex as treason!!!

[Locksmith]

Quote: AVV

Problems in the defense industry are being solved, but not as fast as we would like

I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder

[GSH-18]

Quote: Locksmith

I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder how winked

I agree, junk 100%!
Only negative points are given. But there are already positive ones too, and not a few, and in different branches of the national economy. The article is one-sided. The material is in doubt.

[avg]

Quote: Locksmith

I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder

I’m not going to judge how old the article is. But another thing is surprising. All the authors in the ranks are not small, but which of them did what to prevent the collapse that they write about? At the same time, there are many examples when it was vigorous actions that prevented any responsible person from ruining the design bureau, factory, etc. I think that if each of them took at least some steps within their competence, today's article would be more optimistic.

[Joker]

All the authors in the ranks are not small, but who of them, what did he do to prevent the collapse of which they write about?

Excuse me, but is the word billionaire written before the rite? Without money, how are you going to pull out something? No money, no development, only stagnation.

[ty60]

for theft in the military industrial complex for ten years with confiscation. Only I think to disperse first. Completely. they won’t adopt the law on confiscation at home.

[Russ69]

Quote: AVV

The problems in the defense industry are being solved, but not as fast as I wanted

What has been destroyed for more than 10 years, in a year, two, three cannot be restored. You just have to solve gradually and whine less "mustache, gone"

[teacher]

Quote: Russ69

What has been destroyed for more than 10 years, in a year, two, three cannot be restored. You just have to solve gradually and whine less "mustache, gone"

And since what year has Putin been in power - almost 14 years. And all gradually, but gradually.

[Ivan Petrovich]

by the way, Hitler had been in power for 12 years, and heaped so much ... still slurping

[Ptah]

Quote: Ivan Petrovich

by the way, Hitler stayed in power for 12 years

Aloizych pulled the nation out of a deep ass, consolidated the nation (albeit with dubious slogans). He planned the nationalization of banks. Here he fell not to the liking of the Judeo-Anglo-Amers.
And after 39 years, Hitler became furious and, after one five-year period, returned Germany to the position of 30 years ago.
It became almost like the same Hunchback - just too straightforward and charismatic
Therefore, the attitude of some modern historians in Germany is twofold. He saved the nation - he almost ruined it. More precisely, he pushed to perdition. Finish already without him ...

[Ivan Petrovich]

I mean what can be done in 12 years. And you can do IBD all your life (imitation of violent activity)

[Bashkortostan]

Russia's problems are not in armaments, but in interethnic conflict. Russia is not a country, but a fragile union of independent (unofficially) republics.

[TS3sta3]

petty mind provocateur?

[bagel]

Well, why doesn’t the Federation set it as a task to make Caucasians an example of the Muslim world? For every Caucasian in higher education, at least, education lowers the degree of aggression, plus we get the engineers and specialists we need.

[bagel]

As I introduced, why not? So many rabbits at once in one fell swoop, compulsory higher education for the entire Caucasus

[ty60]

they already want to become graduates. They just don’t want to study, buy a diploma. And by profession they work, but there is a market nearby.

[Alex Danilov]

This is the United States, not a country, but a banana republic. Russia is the only superpower in the world. Peaceful and kind, not attacking anyone, but if you attack Russia, it will kill the enemy. That's all.

[Ptah]

Quote: Alex Danilov

Russia is the only superpower in the world. Peaceful and kind, not attacking anyone, but if you attack Russia, it will kill the enemy. That's all.

Oh, yoptyt ....
But is there something more specific? Or confine ourselves to this position. It says about the military-industrial complex.

[Aleksey_K]

And please tell me, was there a republic of Bashkiria in tsarist Russia? And she appeared, correctly, in the USSR. And then separatist sentiment began. We are a state that was forcibly annexed to the USSR. When did the Russians stir up ethnic strife? It is you, the Tatars, and others. They constantly kindle the nat. discord. They don’t give you life. Not! Just some of your citizens want to become khans or shahs. Just remember that the shah is one, and the rest, like slaves are shy at him. Ordinary people do not win anything.

[Dimsan]

The article is good, no doubt. But about the automatic loader is a very controversial moment! Yes, and about the shipyards in Ukraine, I’m tired of reading and listening to the order, we have dozens of factories at our place, and we remember about long ago overseas ... well, silly!

[11111mail.ru]

Correctly said in due time Comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything. Wrong cadres have been leading our country since 1993. So we have as a result what is described in the article.

[Asgard]

Quote: 11111mail.ru

comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything.

And rightly so. Frames, Brains and Volya, including the "political" ...

And what has changed. Кthe hellas that destroyed the country were in the same places (though they were reusable), the resident is the same as he did 200 Oligarchs from the beginning of the 2nd year, (he also hangs out, then with Medvedev (with Kabaeva))) ...
In Rostekhnologii, a specialist-Serdyukov was hurt ...
Automobile plant "Ural" on the verge of closure ....
KAMAZ can no longer make a car without imported components ....
No electronics, wait. People got caught who in America in the Store (funny))))))) bought "dual-use" boards - the Russians will use them in military sights)))
And we sell space engines ourselves (TECHNOLOGIES OF PURE MILITARY PURPOSE)))
And more US military satellites - we launch the remnants of the "Voevod" Satan (according to NATO qualifications)))

People get sick, write articles, and in Petrozavodsk the shipyard is being closed-He is the only one who can make LARGE-tonnage hulls (not magnetic)) for mine sweepers ....

Yes, and by the order of the Government from July, the electricity tariffs are increased, and the Kola Atomic is transferring its assemblies to 50% of capacity - NO CONSUMERS))))) And this is extremely unprofitable, since the "assemblies" can work for a while and preferably for FULL POWER)))))

In general, the same as in the article, only briefly))) We are dying of Comrades, about brown marches in the media and TV, with the support of Ura-kryakalok on the forum with "epaulettes" of sergeants (they sing mantras A Russian woman rises from her knees)))) )

bitterly: I’m traveling around the Country and see something else.
By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is being shut down in a single-industry town, another 40 electrolysis baths were stopped a week - 5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)))))))
Absolutely survived, but not They alone))))

[Ptah]

Greetings, Vladimir.
I'll start from the end ...

Quote: Asgard

5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)

Here it is necessary not to engage in recruiting, but to stimulate the neighbors of "modera Romanov" to increase the birth rate in the region itself. And how can you make people multiply, if the resource-supplying companies "tarian hoht zalu.pirt", when a good salary, even in the military-industrial complex, goes into the pockets of "money bugs".
Even, which I absolutely do not believe, if we manage to persuade people from the Central Organ of Russia to "move the camp" to the East, then who will work in the remaining positions.
A very fresh example. The "Zelenodolsk Shipyard", which has been remembered more than once, is filled with orders for military (and not only) ships for ten years in advance. Last year, the foundation was laid for a new hull welding boathouse. Only there are no welders. Locksmiths and turners, in the majority, are already 50-60 years old. To people - to some machines even more. If men can still stand at the machines, then age no longer allows to carry frames and stringers.
But there is no youth, and therefore abandoned the construction site. But in the vacancies, a list of 2 A4 sheets.

For the rest, something got sick of saying. There are many conversations — good, ideologically correct, conversations. And there is work! And they say there is money. There are NO people. Only...
"Record" for fertility ... Where? In which regions? If you superimpose the fertility chart by region on the schedule of closed enterprises, what will the picture show? Right. The inverse relationship ...

About the state in the agricultural complex? Oh, better not. Dry mixes will customize the Swedes and Japanese. Cucumbers and potatoes are Chinese and Jews. What kind of electronics ...
I bought a satellite dish. The latest model of the receiver, in which stands / as stated / "The first Russian percent. Fully developed and assembled in Russia."
Very well! Now we will sell it to the Papuans, and again we will buy agricultural products. After all, our country is all in the Arctic.
Bastard, yes bast, start over ...
Again, some kind of skew is seen. Is it really impossible to simultaneously distribute funds for "rockets and corn" ... Khrushchev succeeded, Brezhnev more or less.
About that and the article.

[Ivan Petrovich]

their brains are completely washed by this 1 "channel", VVP said it, so it's right. Gasoline has gone up in price - right, the Olympics were driven away for some unknown reason - that's how they get pride... But UAZ stopped the conveyor, I live nearby, I know. KAPO named after Gorbunov (in Kazan) stopped producing Tu-214. And this "modernizer of novels" probably drives a foreign car, not a Lada Kalina (although the president himself drove one) and has never left the Moscow Ring Road

[Ptah]

We caught a wedge and introduced the neologism "modernity of novels" into circulation. Whom to fit this definition? If Sanya is Romanov, then I would assume that he, on the contrary, "WAS NOT ENROLLED WITHIN THE Moscow Ring Road". With DV he.
So I drive a brand new German "SUV" and I have an uncovered "Schengen", but today I had to go shopping and buy some instrument - that's when I got on * opo. From the "industrial growth of Russian industry."
Launch and develop new aircraft. WELL!
Boats lay and plan with the bookmark. FINE!
Cars, some have two in the family. GOOD TOO!

And today I bought CHINESE shovels, forks and rakes. And also a hammer, pliers, a hacksaw, screwdrivers and something else ...
Tags are like tags, but you read carefully, so one "sha-o-lin" and "hong-gil-dong".
Let not the Finnish "Fiskars", but at least some "Tomskchermet" - there must be ... Otherwise, all "independence" is down the drain. I'm not talking about household power tools. It is apparently difficult to make it in general, let alone a "walking excavator", a carrier "Proton" or PAKFA T-50. Here they are ready to be made in abundance, but a tin toy - well, it just doesn't work ...
A lot of talk about starting a business. Where? Close to big cities. And what to do to people in thousands of Russian villages. Everyone move to the city? And who will feed the city? China....
A lot of nasty hunger picker? But with a Chinese hammer. And then not here, were there articles in which smart people talk about the reasons for the growth of China itself? And there they started with just small and medium, often private, business. He brings taxes and income to the treasury of the state, from which you can draw on tanks and planes.
There should be a balance, and then the BEND ...

[Ivan Petrovich]

Well, then it drives a right-hand drive Japanese woman. They almost didn’t raise an uprising when our government wanted to ban right-wing steering :) it means that he also opposed the government :) and also Moder from the authorities ... ah-ah and where only the authorities look ...

[Mature naturalist]

Quote: Asgard

By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is closed in a single-industry town

There is such a problem: aluminum is not needed in the world in such quantities: the dishes are not popular, beer cans, too, windows are made of plastic. All tend to buy wires from copper.
The crisis of overproduction.

[Aleks tv]

The article has a lot of interesting things.
At least that voiced questions with the staff.

But here it is:

But in practice, when performing training shooting exercises on the move, for emerging and moving targets, not all trained crews manage to accurately fire three shots in two minutes, allotted for showing the target. And this is natural. In real shooting, the crew needs to detect the target, determine the range, corrections for the wind and the movement of the target, enter the initial data into the sight, aim and shoot. After the shot, evaluate the results of the shooting, if necessary, make amendments again, aim and re-shoot. Thus, in a combat situation, the crew, using the loading mechanism, is capable of firing no more than two aimed shots per minute.
With this in mind, the expediency of an automatic loader in a tank is extremely doubtful. After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified service, prone to difficult failures, a large part of the tank’s internal volume is occupied by its installation, which worsens the already insufficient crew ergonomics and disunites it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew because of the large number of elements of the mechanism moving in the open space of the combat compartment.

Crap is complete ....
Excuse me, Comrade Colonel General, but it is from you Yuri Dmitrievich... did not expect this.

Wonderful.

[ty60]

2s3 acacia. The presence of ammunition in the barrel bore already gives an advantage. Even a regular HE briefly takes the tower with 54 ki when it hits the lure. On the ZhUTSe he put it like that. Although, it’s more likely by accident. 80 year

[Jager]

With this in mind, the expediency of an automatic loader in a tank is extremely doubtful. After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified service, prone to difficult failures, a large part of the tank’s internal volume is occupied by its installation, which worsens the already insufficient crew ergonomics and disunites it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew because of the large number of elements of the mechanism moving in the open space of the combat compartment. etc. etc.

And this nonsense is being spouted by the Chief of the Main Directorate of the Ground Forces??? I stopped reading the article after that. He should be a smart person, he hasn't taken the Unified State Exam yet, but to say THIS...

[bagel]

If the truth were to be needed, then we would pay more for it, but the authorities have more than their own pockets.

[Intensive]

It seems that Serdyukov was removed (the ones who installed it), and there are state defense orders, but somehow, there is somehow no seriousness regarding the stated intentions to increase the country's defense capability. There is no deep penetration into the existing problems in the defense industry.

[servant]

Why are you all clinging to Serdyukov? All that is now entering the troops is all under contracts concluded by the hated minister. Where are the new contracts? One blab ....

[Alex Danilov]

Anyway, the Russians should have EVERYTHING better, stronger, faster and smarter, more reliable and more durable, at the same time, YOURSELF not to buy abroad, but to do YOURSELF. And Russians should be the best.
Yes, about a charging machine, a controversial question, do you prepare tankitsit better. Do you understand that with the help of science and new technologies war can change radically? You need to develop everything, in all directions and in all directions, improve everything and do better, faster stronger, smarter and so on.

[ty60]

My friend, quickly charged, quickly shot. Everything else is a problem of guidance systems. However, you need to adjust the entire complex to the maximum possible, and not to poorly trained fighters. While we are solving problems with sights, rangefinders, calculations, the automatic charging device works, problems are being improved. the new sight has an EXERCISED loading mechanism. Where were the author’s brains?

[kind]

The money spent by the state must be worked out within three years. Let's make those who study, get our education at the expense of the state, then go to the factories - go to work out the education we received.

A few days ago I talked with an assistant professor at the Department of Atomic Energy at the Federal University, and so he told me that more than 50% of the students in their faculty have insufficient secondary education, study poorly, and are not going to work in their specialty. Why then do we teach them, spend time and money on their studies ??? We made a request to the university library for students to visit it. We were told that, in addition to teachers and graduate students, very rarely anyone visits them. As a result, many current students are not capable of analyzing logical thinking. They are looking for answers to basic questions on the Internet and without it are completely helpless. Here they are the fruits of progress.

Yes, I forgot, the salary of a teacher in a prestigious technical university is 10-15 thousand rubles.
The old people will leave soon, but there is practically no replacement for them. We will invite from abroad ??? So they will not go for the money. Yes, and they do not need it.

[Hitrovan07]

The collapse of education is one of the collapse of Russia planned by the "unknown fathers". Unfortunately, society (including you and me) "swallows, chews and keeps silent" (you don't go to rallies with posters, I really do too, but that's not an excuse). So that everything is according to plan

[Stinger]

That's how we live. Vanka is here, Manka is gone. Manka is here, Vanka is gone. And we've lived to the point of impotence. We have money, and a good girl, but we can't do anything. Apparently we're missing Viagra. In the form of a good kick in the pants.

[voliador]

When they fell apart, they only thought about how to fill their pockets as soon as possible. And now the roasted cock pecked in the ass.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Asgard

Quote: 11111mail.ru

comrade Stalin: cadres decide everything.

And rightly so. Frames, Brains and Volya, including the "political" ...

And what has changed. Кthe hellas that destroyed the country were in the same places (though they were reusable), the resident is the same as he did 200 Oligarchs from the beginning of the 2nd year, (he also hangs out, then with Medvedev (with Kabaeva))) ...
In Rostekhnologii, a specialist-Serdyukov was hurt ...
Automobile plant "Ural" on the verge of closure ....
KAMAZ can no longer make a car without imported components ....
No electronics, wait. People got caught who in America in the Store (funny))))))) bought "dual-use" boards - the Russians will use them in military sights)))
And we sell space engines ourselves (TECHNOLOGIES OF PURE MILITARY PURPOSE)))
And more US military satellites - we launch the remnants of the "Voevod" Satan (according to NATO qualifications)))

People get sick, write articles, and in Petrozavodsk the shipyard is being closed-He is the only one who can make LARGE-tonnage hulls (not magnetic)) for mine sweepers ....

Yes, and by the order of the Government from July, the electricity tariffs are increased, and the Kola Atomic is transferring its assemblies to 50% of capacity - NO CONSUMERS))))) And this is extremely unprofitable, since the "assemblies" can work for a while and preferably for FULL POWER)))))

In general, the same as in the article, only briefly))) We are dying of Comrades, about brown marches in the media and TV, with the support of Ura-kryakalok on the forum with "epaulettes" of sergeants (they sing mantras A Russian woman rises from her knees)))) )

bitterly: I’m traveling around the Country and see something else.
By the way, Nadvoitsky Aluminum is being shut down in a single-industry town, another 40 electrolysis baths were stopped a week - 5ooo workers offer to come to modernization Romanov in the Far East)))))))
Absolutely survived, but not They alone))))

Well done Asgard! ! You can read only "pleasure" you can shoot yourself right away .. Just wait for figs! You know how to tinker in the souls .. and you all go somewhere and go .. And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..) I'm just my observations and VAF, this also applies .. (super specialists damn .. in all areas)))) Here are the things ..

[EvilLion]

After all, this complex technical device requires constant qualified maintenance, it is prone to hard-to-repair failures, a significant part of the internal volume of the tank is occupied for its installation, which worsens the already insufficient ergonomics of the crew, disconnected it inside the tank. In addition, being in a tank became dangerous for the crew due to the large number of movement elements in the open compartment of the fighting compartment of the mechanism.

Nonsense, the inclusion of a loader in terms of internal volume consumption is even more costly, and this is an increase in the size of the tank without any benefit, or a decrease in protection. The work of a loader in a tank is an occupation in itself extremely dangerous, and only moving parts there, only the cannon with the stabilizer turned on is worth something. And I recommend remembering the accident in the final of the tank biathlon. I have no doubts that things like that with the same "Abrams", cases when the loader, with his hands moving a heavy projectile in a moving car, is injured, occur constantly.

As you know, a combat vehicle requires constant maintenance, engineering equipment of a position in battle and its constant protection. Only to guard the car in a combat position, crew members, alternating every two hours, having no place to rest, being in a straitened position inside the car, lose their working capacity after three or four days, not to mention the ability to conduct combat operations. It is no accident that during the war the T-34 tank had a crew of five people, including a radio operator gunner.

Yeah, and in aviation, in general, 1-2 fly, and 20 people serve them. Let's face it, a tank with its ammunition load on the 1-2 battlefield and a fuel reserve of at most 500 km has absolutely zero autonomy and can only operate as part of a unit where a lot of people work for the crew, starting from drivers of vehicles with ammunition. A tank breaking away from its own will be abandoned by the crew in a couple of days anyway, and if it is not possible to evacuate, it will be blown up. So what the hell to put in a tank, where so close yet another potential corpse? Let him sit in the unit and, by order of the tank commander, between the battles, the cannon helps to clean and load shells.

[bubla5]

Again, they dumped for 1986, slow-witted bullshit, while the industry was still flourishing, it all started with a drunkard in 1991, with its default and impoverishment of the population, the closure of vocational schools, I only remember 140 vocational schools closed in a city with 4 tons of population, and so everywhere in the USSR. So those still young reformers Chubais, Kiriyenko, Germans and so on ruined the country

[Intensive]

Quote: MIKHAN

And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)

What rotten then he said everything is so. They are activating factories, they are changing poor leadership to incompetent. Nothing is done fundamentally. Technical re-equipment is not carried out. Salaries at the expense of suverurochny are supported. 10 is exported and 1 unit to Russia.

[tochila]

AZ in the tank is the success of our designers! Imported tanks in terms of dimensions are just a grenade launcher's dream !!!

[Ivan Petrovich]

Europe and America have spent 20 years to master this technology and a lot of money, which we simply do not have. Therefore, it is hard to believe that we in 2015 or 2014 can make a so-called black wing from composite materials. And what will this lead to? If this is not done, then the MC-21 project will go even further. This is what concerns the state of civil aviation technology. Practically, our domestic aviation technology is excluded from the process of transportation of civil aviation. Of course, there is a real tragedy.
and the Olympiad then profiled ...

[Karabin]

In 2000, the tank was worth 17,5 million, now - more than 140.

The cost of a tank increases by an average of 9,5 million per year. By the bright future in 2020, at this rate, a tank will rise in price to 205 million, and this is provided that the inflation rate of the previous decade is maintained. In addition to tanks, other types of weapons have been pompously announced for 2020, the rise in prices for which since 2000 is unlikely to be inferior to tank prices. This is one of the reasons that the rearmament program will ultimately fail.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Intensive

Quote: MIKHAN

And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)

What rotten then he said everything is so. They are activating factories, they are changing poor leadership to incompetent. Nothing is done fundamentally. Technical re-equipment is not carried out. Salaries at the expense of suverurochny are supported. 10 is exported and 1 unit to Russia.

What is he hinting at then? Burn tires? "Putin out." Asgard for president? What is there to whine about? When has it ever been easy in Russia in its entire history? This is a pure saboteur! I don't argue that he is smart, but these are the most dangerous ones, who drip and drip poison drop by drop. In the times of Gorbachev, they also dripped on people's brains like that, little by little. And then everyone knows what happened. Turmoil and collapse! So I stand by my opinion, I have a nose for saboteurs. Forgive me.

[The contemplative]

It seems to me that the title of the article "There is money - it's about weapons" does not fully reflect the meaning that was put into it during the round table on the topic "Is the Russian military-industrial complex capable of providing the army with modern weapons?" Although the participants in the discussion correctly understand the meaning of the topic of the "round table", nevertheless, the site administration may have an opinion on this news that differs from the opinion of the authors of the materials.

[Rem]

Met a young guy in the morning (got a job for us)
me: where I served
he: infantry
me: what kind of troops are these
he: infantry (perplexed)
me: who was that doing that
he: infantry didn’t do anything
me: what a part
he: don't know infantry
me: well on chevrons that was something
he: there was nothing


they talked
and here's a new modern weapon - who wants it? They don't even have any insignia

[loginovich]

A curiously distinguished lawyer of the GDP reads such articles or takes a word for the accountants Chubais Curly Gref.

[AlexA]

Quote: MIKHAN

And Romanov figured out you correctly .. with a "rotten" you are a friend .. And very cunning .. (such can talk anyone and on any topic ..)

Well, you can, of course, calm yourself down like "It's okay, beautiful marquise." Only self-deception will be more dangerous than alarmist sentiments.
Asgard, though crushing with emotions, but sets out everything on the case.

Quote: Locksmith

I have a feeling that the article is 5 years old so, where do the authors get such junk, you just wonder

And here's another "pacifier". Yes, the article is not outdated, but too late. These problems were outlined 20 years ago. And to this day NOTHING has been done to rectify the situation. Without going into technical details (technical solutions are always a debatable issue), it should be admitted that the authors of the article are right in emphasizing the main problem - the lack of young qualified personnel. And without them, you can throw as many trillions as you like, and all of them will only be plundered.
So do not wring the little cap, but think about how you can support these concerned specialists. They are talking business.

[Mikhail3]

The issue of personnel, the most basic, the heart of the problem, will not be resolved. In the coordinate system built now, it cannot be solved in principle, therefore all other arguments about the remaining shortcomings are generally pure theory, a spherical horse in a vacuum.
I’ll tell you more, there is a rapid technical degradation of the rest of the world, the whole civilization is collapsing before our eyes! The reasons? Yes, as easy as shelling pears. The world is captured by the financial elite. And this is really a post-industrial society, which is about to free itself from the industry, and therefore from the 9 / 10 of humanity.
The modern world is built by engineers, and it is engineers who support its functioning.
But ... Well, let's take our factory, any. Who should be the plant manager? He should be a technical specialist who for decades rose to the top of a large production. Who is he now? And the choice. The first director, the most numerous, is a bandit. Prokhorov. That is, the trade union organization responsible for sports, and so - a bloody murderer and a vile thief. The next one is an effective manager. That is, a bandit from the gang of the first director with financial education and managerial training. What is manager training? This is training in dastardly tricks that allow, through the imposition of abomination and hatred, to raise indicators for a short time in order to have time to get a profitable job before the fall of the company. Further - a purely financier. The man is a "cost reduction", of the production methods, who knows the only one - cutting everything. Well, sonny daughter. Regardless of education, a high specialist in cocaine, women and feces on the heads of one and all. All.
Tell me, good people, what methods of our managerial elite are suitable for high-tech production? Shooting? Pitting and cheating? A consistent decrease in salaries, the quality of raw materials, and the voltage in the light bulbs in the workshop (the pressure in the streetlights that illuminate our roads is already 180B. Which leads to a decrease in the life of the lamps by several times. But the financial report ...) Or can they help us in the production of spacecraft orgies?
Further. The few remaining engineers. In some places they even get paid with a gnashing of teeth! But do you really think that raising production is a salary? Raising production, this is the work of a large engineering team for wear, and most importantly ... Do you know what is most important? Engineer's word should be DECISIVE. That is, in general. That is completely. Can you imagine that ?! Here sit Prokhorov and the one who knows how the Prokhorov plant works. And the engineer says - give so much money, do what I say and don’t go where you don’t need to. And ... Well, you get the point.
This is a dead end, and in the current staffing of the entire administrative elite of the country, it is unsolvable. Engineers don't know how to shoot back. Therefore, they cannot defeat the bandits themselves. Engineers do not know how to steal from everyone with the help of clever financial schemes. Therefore, they will not move the financiers. Engineers cannot move progress and take production out of place and the role of spittoon. And "measures to enhance the role ... to stimulate" and other deception will not do anything. Nothing at all. There will be no modern industry and no breakthrough in technology under existing conditions. WILL NOT BE.

[sxn278619]

We must take an example from the United States. The Central Bank will print more money and then everything will be fine.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: AlexA

Well, you can, of course, calm yourself down like "It's okay, beautiful marquise." Only self-deception will be more dangerous than alarmist sentiments.
Asgard, though crushing with emotions, but sets out everything on the case.

I didn’t seem to write that "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast .." Otherwise, you shouldn't just be smart here on the forum .. (alarmist moods.) Such "experts" of all the troops and politicians simply hammer and ridicule those who actually care about the military-industrial complex.. They are simply afraid to write here (they do it clumsily and not so "professionally" ))) Now all the masters and experts are spitting at Russia.. That's how things are! You are spitting into a well from which you will have to drink. Here, many young people try to write and such people put their faces in the dirt.. Conclusion, before writing the "true truth", think for whom and why you need it.. No need to promote yourself..!

[The contemplative]

If, to follow - It is necessary to take an example from the USA. The Central Bank will print more money and then everything will be fine, then we will support a foreign economy through the acquisition of their goods. In the United States, money printing is accompanied by procedures for their placement in various countries for humanitarian programs (projects) and the enslavement of these countries to the United States in the form of debt obligations for cash (imported) funds, and other schemes are practiced. For example, the Salvation Army and other structures were created at the time.

[Aleksey_K]

This is the result of the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. For so many years, the military industrial complex was destroyed. In the conditions of the market in Russia there are no very rich military industrialists who would see in the production of ultramodern weapons an opportunity for long-term enrichment. A return to socialism in the military-industrial complex because of Putin is impossible, because he is also in the same harness with a greedy dog ​​pack.

[iv82an]

In early February, a round table was held in the State Duma on the topic: "Is the Russian military-industrial complex capable of providing the army with modern weapons?" The forum was chaired by State Duma deputy, member of the State Duma Defense Committee Vyacheslav Tetekin.

Again "round table". Again they carry water in the sieve, but they carry firewood to the forest.

I also wanted to refer to one historical (literary) example.

Zinoviev, grabbing a handful of his beard, said:
- I would have to impose some more to apply to the settlements and settlements ... Well, I would like to salt ...
Prince Volkonsky, a sharp-witted old man, replied:
- There is no tax on bast shoes yet ...
“Truly, truly,” the boyars rustled, “men wear twelve pairs of bast shoes a year, put two tribute money on a pair of bast shoes,” and we’ll beat the khan.
It became easy for the boyars. We decided the case. Some wiped sweat, others twirled their fingers, swelled. Others were relieved to let the evil spirit into their fur coats. Outwitted Vasily Vasilievich. He did not give up, - breaking the rank, jumped up, rattled with a cane.
- Madmen! Beggars - throw treasure into the mud! Hungry - push away the hand that holds out the bread ... But what, the Lord has darkened your minds? In all Christian countries, - and there are such that our county is not worth it, trade is growing fat, people are getting richer, everyone is looking for their own benefits ... Only we doze off solidly ... Like a plague, people run pinkly, - desperately .. Forests are full of robbers ... And they go wherever they look ... Soon Russian land will be called desert! Come, Swede, Englishman, Turks - own ...

A. Tolstoy "Peter I"


I do not understand such phrases

There are orders, there is money, but there is no one to work

Who invented that there is nobody to work? From the release of my group in KB, research institutes only 2 people work.
I know an example. From the release of 9 people, only one remained in Russia, the rest over the hill. Prof. unsuitable and therefore not taken to the research institute?

Main phrase

Before 90, interesting work, its prestige, the prestige of the enterprise in the world allowed young specialists from the best universities to be received. Today, they are the backbone of firms. But now those who want to work in the defense industry have become much smaller and simply are not enough. It is necessary to take unusual measures and we should not forget that it takes years to grow a specialist.

Vladimir Svetlov,
General Director of IBC "Torch" (1991 – 2006)

Only embarrassing

OJSC MKB Fakel offers for rent warehouse, production and office areas of 20 sq. M. m. up to 1000 square meters. m. Open areas from 0,1 ha.
Rental rates are anti-crisis.

The company requires: Young specialists, graduates of 2012-2014, graduated from technical universities with qualifications of engineers:
for work by designers, technologists, electricians, testers, meters, programmers and other technical specialties.
Salary from 35 thousand rubles + compensation for rental housing (for nonresident). Citizenship of the Russian Federation.

P.S. Picture question! Where is the entrance to the headquarters of the VEGA RADIO CONCERN?

[ia-ai00]

... in Russia over the past decades there has been a real "deengineering."

But this is nothing but sabotage on a national scale. A group of scoundrels that promised "heaven in 500 days" destroyed industry, plundered all the country's resources, destroyed education.
In the USSR, applicants at entrance exams presented their level of knowledge to the ADMISSION COMMITTEE, and now a "dark-minded" person can become a student based on the results of FAKE results of the Unified State Exam. And the government creates all the "conditions" so that people who received an education in Russia, who are something, ready-made specialists, become "guests" in search of work with a decent salary in gayRopa and the USA, but the doors to Russia are open to illiterate, unskilled people who only "increase" the level of crime in the country.
Why country Stupid follow the DIRECTIONS of the USA and gayROPA? What, the LIFE EXPERIENCE of FATHERS and GRANDFATHERS - down the drain? They themselves "have a moustache", only their "mentors" pull them by this "moustache", and as time shows, to complete collapse.

[AlexA]

Quote: MIKHAN

Such "specialists" of all the troops and politicians simply slaughter and ridicule those who actually support the military-industrial complex .. they are simply afraid to write here (they are clumsy and not so "professional"))) all the experts and specialists are now rushing Russia ... That's it

Of course, one can angrily brand those who doubt anything as "enemies of Russia". But reality presents bitter pills. For example:

26.02.2014/18/06, Moscow 06:XNUMX:XNUMX The State Duma rejected the appeal of a group of deputies to initiate a parliamentary investigation into the activities of the former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov.
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140226180606.shtml
And here's another.
An equally significant event was the information that the defense of former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov sent a petition to the Investigative Committee to apply an amnesty to their client in honor of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949990666103

Such information does not give reason for complacency. Therefore, it is not the enthusiastic cries of "Urya!" And the call to "get someone!" But the raising of concern about the situation to the country's leadership.
For reference: he worked in rocket engine building for 35 years. So I am writing about what I know and what I see with my own eyes.
And young people need to know the whole picture. And that’s good, and that’s not very good.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: AlexA

Quote: MIKHAN

Such "specialists" of all the troops and politicians simply slaughter and ridicule those who actually support the military-industrial complex .. they are simply afraid to write here (they are clumsy and not so "professional"))) all the experts and specialists are now rushing Russia ... That's it

Of course, one can angrily brand those who doubt anything as "enemies of Russia". But reality presents bitter pills. For example:

26.02.2014/18/06, Moscow 06:XNUMX:XNUMX The State Duma rejected the appeal of a group of deputies to initiate a parliamentary investigation into the activities of the former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov.
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140226180606.shtml
And here's another.
An equally significant event was the information that the defense of former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov sent a petition to the Investigative Committee to apply an amnesty to their client in honor of the 20th anniversary of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949990666103

Such information does not give reason for complacency. Therefore, it is not the enthusiastic cries of "Urya!" And the call to "get someone!" But the raising of concern about the situation to the country's leadership.
For reference: he worked in rocket engine building for 35 years. So I am writing about what I know and what I see with my own eyes.
And young people need to know the whole picture. And that’s good, and that’s not very good.

Plus to you..! and still there should be a golden mean between "hooligans" like me.. and "everything is lost.. everyone is a thief".. I won't name names (everyone knows).. I would remind you that in Russia there has never been a time when everything was good! It's just that panic, criticism, and treason go hand in hand.. I think so..! You "experts" only whine about how bad and ruined everything is.. I would shoot such people immediately! If you can't do without whining, better keep quiet like "Yeah.."

[Capyar 48315]

the problem with the staff must be solved by offering poor young people to study for free on the necessary specialties with a guarantee of employment and a decent salary (of course, with an agreement on the after-school period of compulsory working out and control over studies). Work with talented students in this direction with the payment of special scholarships. to lure foreign specialists (and from other industries). And do not say that it will be to the detriment of something - VPK ALWAYS AND ANYWHERE a development tractor

[Cristall]

Quote: iv82an

.
Zinoviev, grabbing a handful of his beard, said:
- I would have to impose some more to apply to the settlements and settlements ... Well, I would like to salt ...
Prince Volkonsky, a sharp-witted old man, replied:
- There is no tax on bast shoes yet ...
“Truly, truly,” the boyars rustled, “men wear twelve pairs of bast shoes a year, put two tribute money on a pair of bast shoes,” and we’ll beat the khan.
It became easy for the boyars. We decided the case. Some wiped sweat, others twirled their fingers, swelled. Others were relieved to let the evil spirit into their fur coats. Outwitted Vasily Vasilievich. He did not give up, - breaking the rank, jumped up, rattled with a cane.
- Madmen! Beggars - throw treasure into the mud! Hungry - push away the hand that holds out the bread ... But what, the Lord has darkened your minds? In all Christian countries, - and there are such that our county is not worth it, trade is growing fat, people are getting richer, everyone is looking for their own benefits ... Only we doze off solidly ... Like a plague, people run pinkly, - desperately .. Forests are full of robbers ... And they go wherever they look ... Soon Russian land will be called desert! Come, Swede, Englishman, Turks - own ...

A. Tolstoy "Peter I"

I quoted it myself and love this example ... 300 years already, and phrases of winged wings as for today

[colonel manuch]

In order for all the flywheels and cogs in the state machine, and from it in industry, to "spin", I will not again rely on Joseph Vissarionovich - although he was the last of the great, and these great STATESMEN are called STATISTS! They are the ones who lead the MANAGERS, but the trouble is that in the government there are only a few of them (managers) you can count them on your fingers. That is why practically all of our development programs are stalling, and not just the military-industrial complex.

[Yves762]

I understand that the article is a copy-paste from this http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19271

There may be someone thread and gash this one (not indisputable, but still):http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19272

[valokordin]

The letter of respected people reflects the state of affairs in the military-industrial complex so correctly that no victorious reports of our leadership are true. Collapse, only collapse and only gas and oil prevent the country from falling apart. All this corrupt mosquito media is playing a comedy and hanging noodles on ordinary citizens. The State Duma did not accept the proposal of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to conduct a parliamentary investigation into the activities of Hero of Russia Marshal Serdyukov. Why, are they afraid? Either they themselves are involved in something or it is not 37. You inevitably come to the conclusion that the Soviet power saved the country, but now they will not allow it to revive and will sing fairy tales about effective managers, in Russian clerks like the unsinkable red-haired agent of influence.