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How are China's strategic nuclear forces

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Despite loud rocket projects, China does not yet pose a real nuclear threat to the United States.


How are China's strategic nuclear forces


After China last year successfully tested a solid-fuel mobile intercontinental ballistic missile with a split head that could “reach” to any point of the United States, the world said that now Beijing has a powerful means of nuclear deterrence and the Americans will have to rely with the new status of the Asian dragon. However, if you discard the propaganda husk and analyze the real state of affairs in the Chinese strategic nuclear forces, a completely different picture opens up - the PRC simply “eats” the remnants of the Soviet technologies kindly provided in the 50-60 of the 20th century, and also sold by Russian specialists in the era of 90 chaos . The USSR built in China whole industries — rocket production and nuclear fusion — with hundreds of factories and research centers, trained tens of thousands of Chinese specialists, and transferred all the technological documentation to all of its projects. Despite such a fantastic gift, for 60 years of existence of large-scale nuclear missile programs and multibillion-dollar investments, Beijing has not acquired a nuclear triad, or at least a sufficient arsenal of effective means of delivering warheads to the target. The reality is that in a true nuclear war, against America, China will not stand an hour.



Modern Chinese military industry was born in the 1950s with the help of the USSR. We have created a contemporary military-industrial complex capable of producing the entire range of military products needed by the National Liberation Army of China (PLA). The numbers are impressive: the Soviet Union in China built 763 full-fledged factories with all the infrastructure and the most modern equipment, 97 scientific and technological centers, 11 test sites, including 4 underground ones. More than 120 thousand Chinese students studied at Soviet technical universities on military subjects for free, and about 6 thousand Russian scientists, 85 thousand technologists, and other technical specialists visited China on long business trips. Then built enterprises, for example, aviation complexes in Shenyang, Harbin, Xi'an and Chengdu, tank factory in Baotou (Inner Mongolia, the so-called factory No. 617), a complex of enterprises for the production of small arms and artillery weapons in the northeast of the country and many others are still the basis of the Chinese military industrial complex.

The USSR transferred to the People's Republic of China licenses for the production of a full range of weapons and military equipment - from aircraft to communications and engineering equipment. The strategic armament did not stand aside either: before the Soviet-Chinese gap, China managed to get a huge array of documentation and equipment necessary to create the full production cycle of nuclear weapons. Moscow also took care of the development of Chinese rocket production, providing Beijing with samples of the P-1 and P-2 missiles and their manufacturing technology. P-2, by the way, is the first Chinese medium-range ballistic missile - the famous "DF-2", which at one time greatly frightened Japan.

In 1951, a secret agreement was signed between the USSR and the PRC on providing scientific and technical assistance to the Chinese in the field of nuclear research in exchange for their supply of uranium ore, under which the Union transferred uranium enrichment technologies, construction of centrifuges and other stages of the production process to China. By the way, the centrifuges themselves of the latest generation of Soviet production were eventually brought from Moscow and given away along with all the necessary documentation, because the Chinese experts could not master their production at the Soviet factories in their homeland. The Chinese general in charge of the nuclear project, Hun Zi, in a letter to Lawrence Beria wrote: “The process of mastering the production of gas centrifuges does not work. I ask you again to send a team of specialists to Hayon to debug equipment and train our engineers. Unfortunately, it will be necessary to shift the start-up date of the 651 plant into commercial operation for the fifth time. I hope, this time, technologists will still be able to fully convey all the details of the technology ... "

The same happened with the development of the production of missiles. For 6 years, Chinese specialists could not even produce a prototype using the X-31 project submitted by the Union. As a result, in the 1957 year, the USSR concluded another agreement on the transfer of the Celestial Empire of Soviet rocket technologies with the full cycle of training local specialists by the forces of Soviet universities. As part of this agreement, the Beijing Institute of Physics and Atomic Energy was established, where nuclear research began, and in Lanzhou - the construction of a gas diffusion plant to enrich uranium. The turning point for the Chinese was the start-up at plant No. 601 in the capital of the People's Republic of China of an experimental heavy-water nuclear reactor supplied by the Soviet Union with a thermal power of 7 megawatts and a cyclotron. In honor of this event, a holiday was declared in the country, and a just-born daughter of the PLA commander was named after the cyclotron. In 1958, under the guise of the strictest secrecy, the Soviet government opened a nuclear test site near Lake Lobnor in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, where Chinese strategic forces are still conducting all of their tests.



After the P-2 short-range Soviet missiles were deployed on duty, China received the P-11 medium-range tactical ballistic missiles that were already equipped with nuclear warheads in the Soviet Union. As a result, the specialists of the USSR Ministry of Medium Machine Building at the Soviet factories, P-2, were launched into serial production under the name “Dunfen-1”, or “type 1059” (“Dongfen” - “East Wind”). The training squad with the Soviet P-2, formed in 1957, became the first compound of the new kind of troops, and the combat missile division, loudly called strategic, appeared in 1960. By the year 1961, the People’s Liberation Army of China already had 20 regiments equipped with Dunfeng-1 and P-11 (Chinese designation “1060 type”). In addition, the Celestial Empire acquired the production technology of jet bombers - front-line IL-28 (in China “Hun-5”) and long-range Tu-16 (“Hun-6”), which in the USSR performed the tasks of carriers
nuclear bombs. Earlier, the Soviet Union sent a large number of IL-28 and 25 heavy piston bombers Tu-4 to the PRC.

When Khrushchev came to power, Moscow fell out with Beijing and ceased to provide such a large-scale patronage of its southeastern neighbor that it immediately affected the course of China’s entire nuclear program. The launch of the Il-28 and Tu-16 strategic bombers was only possible in 1967 and 1968 respectively, and every second copy of the aircraft refused to take off.

While the USSR has already begun mass production of mobile missile kits with an active system for setting false targets and missiles with a range of up to 15 thousand km., October 27 1966, 12-kiloton uranium warhead delivered the first Chinese strategic ballistic missile Dunfeng at a range of 894 km -2 ”, developed on the basis of the Soviet Р-5М sample 1956 of the year. Joy at the government of China was full of pants: the Chinese defense industry for the first time managed to create a full-fledged nuclear missiles. On this occasion, special commemorative coins and chocolates were issued.

17 June 1967 from the board of the experienced long-range bomber “Hun-6” (Tu-16) - assembled from the Soviet nodes in 1959-m, was dropped the first Chinese hydrogen bomb. A two-phase charge based on uranium-235, uranium-238, lithium-6 and deuterium exploded at a height of 2960 m, showing the power of 3,3 megatons. A combat hydrogen charge with the megaton trotyl equivalent of 3, in which the Chinese first used plutonium (to initiate thermonuclear fusion), was tested as a 27 December 1968 tactical bombs by dropping the Hong-5 (IL-28) bomber. In the combat units of the PLA Air Force, “atomic” bombers came in the form of “Hun-XNUMHA” and “Hun-XNUMHA”. Then a more sophisticated “Qiang-5” appeared, which was developed on the basis of the Soviet MiG-6 fighter, mass-produced in the People's Republic of China under the Soviet license (J-5).

Since then, the qualitatively nuclear missile forces of the PRC have practically not changed. Vasily Kashin, a senior researcher at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, described their condition in the following way: “Until now, China’s strategic nuclear forces consisted of rather primitive and bulky intercontinental ballistic missiles. In addition, they launched the Dongfeng 31 and Dongfeng 31 A mobile solid-fuel missiles, which had range limitations and could carry only one warhead, which reduced their value and their ability to overcome the American missile defense system. The largest and most heavy Dongfeng 5 rocket is capable of striking most of the territory of the United States, but it is a huge and very vulnerable liquid rocket, preparing to launch takes at least 2 hours. There is one more missile, this is not quite the intercontinental Dongfeng 4, but after upgrading its range exceeded 5, 5 thousands of kilometers. However, it does not reach the continental part of the United States and is even more primitive. She can't even be based in the mine, she starts from the starting table. ”



These "Dongfeng 4" there are only ten pieces. There is a Dongfeng 31 mobile rocket, which has a range of about 8 thousands of kilometers and can touch some cities a bit
on the west coast of the continental US. The first, really real deterrent, is the Dongfeng 31-NA rocket. It is mobile, has a range of about 11 thousands of kilometers and also a monoblock warhead. This is the only rocket that has a chance to survive the first strike of the United States and hit a city on the Pacific coast of the United States, a number of cities in the north of the United States, that is, for example, to destroy Los Angeles and San Francisco. But there are only 15 units in China (the United States has about 2 thousands of such missiles). And the total of intercontinental missiles from the Chinese about seventy, but they do not pose a serious threat to America. In 1990-s, on the basis of technologies stolen in Russia, a program to create a heavy solid-fuel Dunfeng-41 rocket was launched. Its range is about 14 thousands of kilometers and it can carry up to 10 combat units. However, this rocket will be able to take up combat duty at least years through 20, the whole story tells us история Chinese rocket programs: from the moment of the first launch to real deployment, 20-30 years pass.

Experts are very skeptical about the capabilities of the Chinese strategic nuclear forces against the United States. On the question of how many Chinese missiles the Americans could intercept today, Vasily Kashin replies: “The Chinese do not yet have missiles with separable warheads, but they had researches in the field of false targets, that is, some kind of load that provides access to the target, Chinese strategic missiles may well carry. Another thing is that if the United States delivers the first missile strike, they will destroy a very large part of the Chinese nuclear offensive potential. The speech will, most likely, in any case, go that the United States, at best, will reach a unit of Chinese missiles. It is possible that no one will really fly. ”

Moreover, of the traditional nuclear triad — rocket troops, submarine fleet, and strategic aviation — only one has been created in China. They have one nuclear submarine armed with strategic missiles - this is the 092 project - the so-called Xia type. The range of its missiles just 1700 kilometers. But even this single submarine missile carrier with antediluvian rockets never went on combat duty, because, firstly, it constantly breaks down, and secondly, the boat is very noisy — it will be detected by all its neighbors as soon as it starts engines. The construction of a new generation of nuclear missile submarines with new missiles "Julan-2" with a range over 8 thousands of kilometers is now the boats of the 094 project. This rocket was tested for many, many years - 22, unsuccessful trials and 40 scientists and officers who were shot “for shoals”. And the new submarines themselves somehow (most likely through the espionage and “discharge” of technology from the Russian chaos 90) were copied from the Soviet project 1976 of the year “667 BDR”. But they couldn’t completely copy it either - according to the Pentagon, according to the technical characteristics they correspond to the indicators of the Soviet boats of only the beginning of the 1970-s. In terms of noise, the second generation (the Russian Federation and the United States are now the fifth). Still it is necessary to bear in mind the fact that they are not yet there, and the first copy will be completed in 5 years. Thus, in the field of the naval forces of nuclear deterrence, the Chinese do not pose a serious threat to the United States.



As for aviation, the situation is even more deplorable. Nuclear regiment carriers are currently considered to be one regiment of old Tu-16 type bombers, which the Chinese, actively using the “brains” of Russian scientists (to China, according to various estimates, left to 500 technical specialists from the aircraft engineering research institutes)
were able to modernize. Now it is called "Hun-6K". Thank God, we managed to reach an agreement with Russia about the supply of engines - as a result, the aircraft uses newer D-30KP engines. Of course, they are not considered new at our time (they were written off at the end of the 80's), but this is better than the Tu-16 engines of the Stalin era. Hun-6K is capable of carrying cruise missiles, which are an exact replica of the old Soviet X-55, but over the course of 30 years they have not been able to develop a miniature nuclear warhead for them - this requires special technology for the production of charges. All attempts to steal or buy these technologies failed - even Hu Jintao begged us, offered billions for help, but the Kremlin was adamant. At 2008, Beijing showed an interest in the Tu-22М3 and was even ready, in exchange for this aircraft, to provide a special mode of welfare for Russian goods on the Chinese market. But Moscow did not begin to consider this issue at all in a practical plane.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 20 January 2014 09: 53
    +5
    It was interesting to learn about China's strategic nuclear forces, but the author draws conclusions, in my opinion, very hasty. First, our doctrine is built on "deterrence will be based on their (strength) ability in response to cause damage, the size of which would call into question the achievement of the goals of possible aggression." Or, like the Americans, the consequences are too big. Secondly, I’m sure that we and the Chinese have an agreement, at least to jointly repel a nuclear strike. I don’t know if our missile defense systems can get it, but they’ll try to intercept everything that flies close to our borders. Thirdly, a massive launch of nuclear missiles will definitely be perceived as an attack on Russia, no one will look at where they were aimed at the start. Well, and fourthly, America’s economic dependence on China. America will not be able to reduce its appetites by 5 times in a short time.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 20 January 2014 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      First, our doctrine is built on "deterrence will be based on their (strength) ability in response to cause damage, the size of which would call into question the achievement of the goals of possible aggression."

      Now the military doctrine of Russia allows a nuclear strike to be applied first: for example, when attacking Russia with conventional military means, or even if such an attack threatens ...
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 January 2014 11: 37
      +5
      Quote: Svarog
      It was interesting to learn about China's strategic nuclear forces, but the author draws conclusions, in my opinion, very hasty.

      more than...
      The author has a complete mess with a description of the forces and means of the Chinese strategic nuclear forces.
      An example, he finally does not describe DongFeng 3 (DF3), - an analogue of the Soviet P-14 with a range of 4,5tys ... in the photo below.
      Then, do not forget the presence of anti-ship RSD DF21 ...
      Misfireless Chinese space program repeating the Soviet ...
      With uyyali?
      laughing
      Article och. superficial.
      It does not contain and does not describe both the doctrine and the methods of using the Chinese strategic nuclear forces ...
      For example, there is absolutely nothing about the famous containerized nuclear mines ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 January 2014 12: 57
        +4
        Quote: Rus2012
        It does not contain and does not describe both the doctrine and the methods of using the Chinese strategic nuclear forces ...


        The doctrine is simple, Chinese strategic nuclear forces are incapable due to low alert to retaliate and even retaliate. The first strike will require a long preparation, for mobile PGRK they simply carry blanks that are not in the PBG (in our understanding delay to startabout 1-2 hours), therefore, all preparations will be detected and the effect of surprise will be lost. In our worst case scenario, after receiving an order of 5 minutes, you will receive a sign as they say. The essence of China’s nuclear strategy came down to two points. In peacetime, deterring potential adversaries from starting a nuclear war against China and ensuring an independent foreign policy. In wartime - containment of the development of a conventional war into a nuclear one.
        Therefore, the main thing for the Chinese ensuring survivability of their RKwhat they are working on.
        In the photo of the nuclear submarine, the Chinese project Kalmar (667BDR) is one-on-one. We have four such submarines in service, all in Vilyuchinsk Pacific Fleet. K-44 "Ryazan", K-223 "Podolsk". K-433 "Saint George the Victorious", K -51 "Verkhoturye" (667BDRM Dolphin) in the photo
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 20 January 2014 18: 18
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          The doctrine is simple, Chinese strategic nuclear forces

          Dear Ascetic, have you heard about
          In response to nuclear missile blackmail by superpowers under the name nuclear deterrence (also deterrence), China in March 1979 painted the following image of "equal vulnerability" for the "American imperialists":
          On Chinese container ships serving regular shipping lines in the Atlantic and the Pacific, a standard sea container “X” with a nuclear charge of a hundred or two kilotons is put. The container is standard, unremarkable, the doors are closed and sealed. A vessel under the Chinese flag on schedule (as on duty) leaves the ports of the PRC and enters the ports of the East and West coast of the United States. At ports, he unloads and takes on board hundreds of containers of goods, but container “X” does not unload.
          But in a threatened period, this inconspicuous container “X”, the captain of the ship, having received a signal from Beijing, could accidentally lose in neutral waters, on the raid of New York or even unload San Francisco on the pier. And then through diplomatic channels it is enough to tell the American authorities that China will not flinch in the face of the practical use of a nuclear bomb that has been sunk or even left on the pier and that New York will be washed off the face of the earth. Such a "bright image" was enough for the PRC and the United States in 1979 to conclude an agreement "on strategic coordination" first for 20 years, and then in 1999 they prolonged it for another 20 years.
          Thus, the nuclear potential of China, even if it is negligible compared to the nuclear potential of the United States, is required only in order for foreign leaders to have the effect of possessing China with a nuclear trigger. This means that China has an equal right to vote when discussing any issues affecting the fate of mankind.

          source - Devyatov, GRU colonel
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 January 2014 11: 44
      +1
      Secondly, I’m sure that we and the Chinese have an agreement, at least to jointly repel a nuclear strike.

      about this, there is no doubt ... KVM moreover ...
    4. Stahlegewitter
      Stahlegewitter 20 January 2014 12: 13
      +1
      There is no serious missile defense system in the Russian Federation near the borders, there is only S-300V.
      China is an anthill that no one wants to touch, because it will spread everywhere and will already be a serious internal problem for almost all countries of the world.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 January 2014 13: 21
        +5
        Quote: Stahlegewitter
        China is an anthill that no one wants to touch, because it will spread everywhere and will already be a serious internal problem for almost all countries of the world.

        At the moment China is our unspoken strategic ally(Sijzyapin confirmed this during a visit in March 2013. he was even shown some new things at the General Staff of the General Staff of the Russian Federation.) Its strategic nuclear forces complement the Russian strategic nuclear forces in the Far East, actually providing our rear, but this is until we weaken and then it can become a direct enemy as it was during the time of Yeltsin. But in the foreseeable future this will most likely not happen unless liberal revenge takes place in Russia or a new Khrushchev comes to power. And the Indians of their Agni-5 are forcing China to behave more restrained part of its medium-range missiles, China will be forced to reorient to the south-west - to India. For Russia, India is a longtime ally and does not have a single interstate contradiction with us.
        Of course, in Russia there is a powerful anti-Chinese lobby (the same Khramchikhin for example), but at the moment it is more profitable for China to be friends with us, as well as for us, too.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 20 January 2014 13: 44
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          But this is until we weaken, and then he can become a direct enemy, as it was in the time of Yeltsin.

          At the time of Yeltsin, we had good relations with China.
          Yeltsin in China at a meeting with Jiang Zemin (December 1999):
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 20 January 2014 16: 15
            +2
            Quote: Onyx
            At the time of Yeltsin, we had good relations with China.


            Only in words. The double-faced Kozyrev policy just scared away the Chinese. Relations rather were neighborly-wary. Moreover, the vector of Russian foreign policy was directed exclusively to the West. During this period, I don’t remember any significant bilateral agreements with China. But since 2001. SCO agreement was concluded.
            2005 - ratified agreement on the settlement of disputed border issues between the two countries. The first joint military exercises are held. The SCO summit adopted a declaration calling on the United States to determine the timing of the withdrawal of US military bases from the former Soviet republics in Central Asia.
            2010 the largest energy contract with China for $ 100bn.
            Although it’s still a long way to allied relations, many Chinese politicians deny the possibility of such an alliance. Now we have a strategic partnership, in contrast to the Yeltsin’s neighborly guarded relations.
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 20 January 2014 18: 29
              0
              But at the time of Yeltsinism, we did not have any hostility with China, as you wrote above.
          2. commbatant
            commbatant 1 February 2014 21: 23
            0
            I wonder with what purpose God gave Russia nuclear weapons, after all, some kind of mission is assigned to 1/6 of the land
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 20 January 2014 19: 11
        +7
        In China, no idiots are observed in the leadership, but for fun look where the Chinese have the largest dams on the rivers and see what is located downstream and at the mouths of these rivers, then it will become clear to you that by blowing up several warheads you can quickly and completely wash away 2 / 3 of Chinese industry, together with the population of these industrial areas in the warm sea, as in reservoirs there is a volume of water of several annual drains. The Chinese also know this very well, even without taking into account the fact that a massive blow can be delivered. So all the talk about a hypothetical nuclear war between China and Russia is just fantastic, and will be so for a very long time.
    5. StolzSS
      StolzSS 20 January 2014 18: 28
      +1
      Firstly, where did you see our missile defense system ??? Secondly, China really does not have a missile-carrying submarine fleet and there are no sensible bombers. Yes, now they are building an AWACS aircraft and an IL-76 type transporter, only our engines are made by our Ukrainians and other scientists from the USSR. In 5 years, China will have transporters, AWAC refueling tanks and other special aircraft based on a heavy current transporter. Is a strategic bomber a modern question? They will not be able to sell the technology of building submarines to them, and it will not work to steal ... And they themselves will make huge grandmothers do it themselves. They’ll finish the Aircraft Carrier for anyone since there are specialists from Ukraine, although it will cost a lot of money, but here you have to do without options. And of course they will make rockets in 5 years hehe hi
  2. Altona
    Altona 20 January 2014 10: 34
    0
    Maybe they do not yet consider it necessary to aim at William of Our Shakespeare? All programs cannot pull at once ...
  3. Blinov_I
    Blinov_I 20 January 2014 10: 50
    +1
    "But China has only 15 of them (the United States has about 2 similar missiles)."
    Strange, but the wiki gives "By March 1, 2013, the United States had 1654 nuclear warheads," as I understand it for the whole triad.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 20 January 2014 11: 23
      0
      Yes, but you can use carriers with ordinary warheads.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 20 January 2014 12: 29
      +2
      Quote: Blinov_I
      "But China has only 15 of them (the United States has about 2 similar missiles)."


      The first, really real deterrent weapon is the Dongfeng-31-NA missile. It mobile, has a range of about 11 thousand kilometers and also a monoblock warhead. This is the only missile that has a chance to survive the first strike of the United States and hit a city on the Pacific coast of the United States, a number of cities in the north of the United States, that is, for example, to destroy Los Angeles, San Francisco. But China has only 15 of them (the United States has about 2 thousand of such missiles).

      If we talk about rockets (ground) mobile based the USA simply doesn’t have this type of missile. If we talk about a range of about 11 thousand km (ICBMs), then in the United States, if I’m not mistaken, 450 pieces are Minitmenov. Moreover, according to START-3, 1550 warheads are on 700 carriers. Now the US has only 809 carriers and 1688 warheads triad of ICBM-SLBM - Page Aviation.
  4. Bongo
    Bongo 20 January 2014 11: 16
    +6
    Despite loud rocket projects, China does not yet pose a real nuclear threat to the United States.

    But it represents a real threat to Russia. In China, there are a significant number of MRBD, which are strategic in relation to our country.
    In my opinion, the article is somewhat "one-sided", the data given in it no longer correspond to the realities.
    1. Stahlegewitter
      Stahlegewitter 20 January 2014 12: 16
      0
      You can rest assured that they’re being watched.
    2. commbatant
      commbatant 1 February 2014 21: 29
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      Despite loud rocket projects, China does not yet pose a real nuclear threat to the United States.

      But it represents a real threat to Russia. In China, there are a significant number of MRBD, which are strategic in relation to our country.
      In my opinion, the article is somewhat "one-sided", the data given in it no longer correspond to the realities.


      I agree, the author does not take into account the PLA’s possession of tactical nuclear weapons that can be applied to neighbors and US military bases located on their territory (Rep. Korea, Japan)
  5. Predator-74
    Predator-74 20 January 2014 11: 38
    -2
    "... But the wolf turned out to be a rag! .." laughing
  6. AVV
    AVV 20 January 2014 11: 42
    +1
    The latest Chinese developments have been created to a greater extent thanks to spy data, and purely their inventions account for less than 10%, but this is a big leap for China !!! The production technologies of the same Bison were bought from Ukraine !!! Buying, copying and spying are three skates on which holds the scientific military thought of China and 10% of its purely development !!!
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 January 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      The latest Chinese developments are largely created thanks to spy data, and purely their inventions are less than 10%, but this is a big leap for China !!!

      ... "espionage data" - say, dear colleague ...
      So be it... laughing
      I will explain a little ...
      In the years, approximately 1997-98xx, I remember, I think, and some others, the PRC officially entered our enterprises into their 5 summer plans ...
      Doesn’t resemble anything? :)))
      But this did not last long ...
      They said, the foreign committee against ...
  7. Samy
    Samy 20 January 2014 11: 50
    0
    But China has only 15 pieces of them .... At the current level of development of their industry, if they succeeded in real 15 pieces, nothing prevents them from making them another 1500. In taikun (space), they fly, electronics are all at the level of metals ( including rare ones), heaps, there is also its own chemistry. I think the author does not underestimate the very current state of affairs.
  8. Rus2012
    Rus2012 20 January 2014 11: 52
    +4
    "D-30KP". They, of course, are not considered new (they were written off at the end of the 80's), but they are better than the Tu-16 engines of the Stalin era.

    I will also add about Tu16 with D-30kp, i.e. HUN-6K.
    Kakby the author did not bring him downwardly - this is a glorious transonic machine and is not out of date at all, especially with this engine and new equipment!

    Move - D-30kp - for a military strategist of medium range - finally amazingly came out. Ours did not bother with this and wrote off all the Tu-16 after the release of the Tu-22M ... Somehow, it’s even a pity ...
  9. Leshka
    Leshka 20 January 2014 12: 14
    +1
    everything is exactly China is a strong power no matter what they say and we should be wary of it
  10. nikcris
    nikcris 20 January 2014 13: 29
    +10
    This is not a joke at all, but pure truth!
    Last Thursday, a colleague (K) went to the cottage - to see what the hell. At the entrance to the village gate. At the gate is a Chinese castle on a Russian chain. K inserted the key into the frozen lock and broke the ent key with two fingers. There’s no garbage inside the castle - there’s no access to the territory (((There is no light nearby - you can’t connect the grinder. I went to the household store, bought a hacksaw for metal and three Chinese double-sided blades. Sawing-sawing, sawing-sawing - only scratches on the handle. All SIX He’s worn out Chinese files on a Chinese temple, he thinks what quality castles of Chinese castles are. A guard appears here. He examines, goes into the house and brings in a fragment of a Russian canvas. He cuts a temple fragment in 30 seconds. fellow
    1. QWERTY
      QWERTY 20 January 2014 23: 00
      +4
      Your colleague is a pervert. Any Chinese padlock opens with one (exact) hammer blow))))
    2. dv-v
      dv-v 21 January 2014 06: 28
      0
      I suppose you yourself should understand that the "desevo" of the current guano)), and the assembly and sewing in that region of the world's kagbe brands hint ...

      personally, I’m not a bastard, instead of overpaying for our three-priced prices, wait 1,5-2 months for sending from China - the whole world actually uses their consumer goods. definitely, it’s necessary to make some efforts to get an adequate product for an adequate price, but I still haven’t had any reason to complain about what I’ve purchased - a considerable number, I’ll note.))
  11. AlNick
    AlNick 20 January 2014 15: 04
    +2
    Celestial Empire acquired the technology for the production of jet bombers - front-line Il-28s (in China, “Khun-5”)


    And why the Hung-5 with the insignia of the Polish Air Force? am

    This is really Harbin H-5
  12. Clueless
    Clueless 20 January 2014 15: 31
    0
    Well, there are no delivery vehicles .. think that it hinders them from stuffing it all into a container and jerking somewhere off the coast of the USA? The presence of nuclear weapons in any form already puts the USA in its place, for they will not want to receive such a surprise as a gift.

    Even if the United States launches nuclear weapons first, anyway, a couple of other warheads will remain with China, and sooner or later, then it will explode where necessary
  13. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 20 January 2014 16: 04
    +3
    Yes, the Chinese still have nowhere to rush. Just think, are there some USA? More than one empire will appear and collapse in the place of Americos, and China will continue to be China. This, of course, is a joke, but there is some truth in it.
    1. dv-v
      dv-v 21 January 2014 06: 34
      0
      of course!))

      I will not understand in any way what the people to China all fit with the standards of the "cold war". now there is generally no ideological confrontation of the sharpness that was earlier. especially in times of much greater dependency. are won back by party plays in third world countries, and by fiddling with terrorism. those. army with syas - above all insurance.

      and even more so - China, the history of this country, adit, it would be revered b, otherwise they would play too much, panimash. do not know anything at all ...))
  14. Power
    Power 20 January 2014 17: 43
    +5
    The author is like a little boy who, having met a tiger, closed his eyes and repeated endlessly "he is not real, he is not real, he is not real"
  15. La-5
    La-5 21 January 2014 00: 24
    0
    The Chinese with their own technologies are of course a disaster, but this is only for now. Since the 80s, China has been intensively developing its own weapons systems.
    1. dv-v
      dv-v 21 January 2014 06: 35
      0
      the law of dialectics - the transition of quantitative changes to qualitative ones.))
  16. Multicast
    Multicast 21 January 2014 00: 54
    0
    But it seems to me that it is still weak for China to advance to the first positions. Even if they have some technology, but militarily they are still 20 years behind. And on submarines, and on missiles and on brains. It is one thing to have factories for irons with juicers, and it is another thing to have a higher military school, military industrial complex and military experience, etc., etc. So far, Russia has nothing to fear from the Chinese. And the fact that the latest technologies are not sold to China is what I support. Only Ukrainians are ready to sell their last pants, in the hope that the Russians will give the 2nd - that’s depressing.
  17. commbatant
    commbatant 1 February 2014 21: 10
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    "In 2008, Beijing showed interest in the Tu-22M3 and was even ready, in exchange for this aircraft, in addition to money, to provide a special regime for Russian goods on the Chinese market. But Moscow did not consider this issue in practical terms at all."

    I consider this the most important paragraph in this article.
  18. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 7 2014 01: 05
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    Damn, damn, damn ... With their own hands they made and put in a sword that can be used against us. Now again everything is repeated, we do not even learn from our mistakes!