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Failed colonies of Russia

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Failed colonies of RussiaAs you know, all empires once arise, expand, but then inevitably fall apart. The USSR collapsed in 1991, in the same vein, and the modern Russian Federation. The Russian Empire collapsed in 1917. As a result of the 1917 Revolution, Russia lost Finland, Poland, Kars region (now Turkey), and lost the First World War. As a result, 1991 from Russia moved Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Estonia. Earlier, as everyone knows, Tsar Alexander II sold Alaska to America. However, few people know, the attempts to create colonies were undertaken by the Russians in Africa, in America, in the Pacific Ocean. About this, little is being written and known in our country, for example, many will be surprised by the fact that Russian colonies were in Hawaii and California ...


Missed colonies in America:

1. Tobago Island (now part of the state of Trinidad and Tobago). The total area of ​​300 square. km

The Russian colony off the coast of South America could become the island of Tobago, which was a colony of Courland, which became part of the Russian Empire. In 1652, the Duke of Courland Jacob took possession of Fr. Tobago off the coast of South America. During 30 years, 400 of Kurdish people moved here, and more than 900 Negro slaves were purchased in Africa. In Africa, the Courlanders acquired the island of St. Andrew (James Island, now part of the Gambia). However, in 1661, these territories in the two hemispheres were transferred to the use of England: the Duke of Courland actually contributed them as collateral for loans. When Courland became part of the Russian Empire, Catherine II tried to sue the two islands of the British to 1795, but without success.
Value: Trinidad is rich in oil, gas, and asphalt. Developed agriculture, tourism, metallurgy and chemical industry. Being relatively close to the United States and the Panama Canal, the island is of major strategic importance.

2. “Russian America”: Alaska, West Coast of North America, California

Alaska is a huge (1 481 347 sq. Km of land) - the US state, a former colony of Russia. The so-called Russian America was not limited to Alaska at all. Baranov and other leaders of the Russian-American company clearly understood the need for colonization of the west coast of America, up to California (and including it). Attempts to create settle at the mouth of the Columbia River (now Washington State, USA) proved impossible due to the fact that the Americans were the first to enter there. However, not far from San Francisco, the Russians still founded the famous Fort Ross in California, but then sold it. Alaska is rich in marine resources, oil, gas, gold, is of great strategic importance. The sale of Alaska is the most idiotic act of the Russian rulers before 1917.

Missed colonies in Asia

1. The Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus

You could have become Russian if it were not for the 1917 revolution, since, by agreement with the allies, Russia would receive these straits. It was possible to capture them during the Second World War, but this chance was also missed.

2. Siam (Thailand)

Thailand is a large country in southern Asia, between the Indian and the Pacific, 514 000 sq. km Sandwiched between the British and French colonies, the kings of Thailand sought the protection of Russia. King Rama V at 1880 announced his desire to enter into a friendly alliance with Russia. In 1897, King Chulalongkorn arrives in the capital of Russia with a secret plan for Siam to become part of Russia as a dominion. However, the British managed to convince the Thai king that the Russians would send him to Siberia, and Thailand would become not a dominion, but a colony of Russia. Obviously, Russian diplomacy lost because of its passivity and inability to neutralize the influence of the enemy.
Value: the country occupies an important strategic position, the economy is based on tourism, gas production, rice cultivation, etc.

3. Mongolia

Having disconnected from China, Mongolia became in fact Russia's possession, but the Bolsheviks chose to impose Soviet power on the Mongols in order to make it clear that the USSR was not the only “socialist” country.

4. Northern Iran

Northern Iran could have become Russian (southern - British) if Russia had not lost the First World War because of the 1917 revolution and the Bolshevik policy, which had been abolished by all the "colonial" treaties of the Russian Empire with Iran.

5. Western Armenia

Western Armenia could have moved away from Turkey to Russia if it had not lost the First World War.

6. Manchuria

Manchuria (Northeast China) could have become Russian, if not for the defeat of Russia in the Russian-Japanese war.

7. The Bolsheviks, in exchange for the recognition of their regime by Afghanistan, presented him with some adjacent areas.

8. Some of the principalities in Indonesia, fighting the Dutch, offered to enter under Russian citizenship.

The first and last full-time Russian consul in Indonesia, Mikhail Bakunin, for five years (1895 — 1899) repeatedly made proposals for the establishment of direct trade relations between Russia and the island state. He also informed Petersburg about the possibility of joint colonization of Java and Sumatra with the Dutch (the Dutch, therefore, wanted to make an ally in the fight against the British in this region). He proposed to make here a naval base that would control the approaches to the Russian Far East. Nicholas II answered Bakunin: "Friendship with England is more important to me than these wild places."

Missed colonies in Europe

The islands in the Mediterranean, Malta and the Ionian Islands, annexed by Russia during the wars with Napoleon, were, however, ceded to the British.

Missed colonies in the Pacific

1. Hawaiian Islands

An employee of the Russian-American company Georg Schaeffer (1779 — 1836) tried to attach the Hawaiian Islands to Russia. In November, 1815 Schaeffer reached Hawaii, after a successful treatment course, Kamehameha and his wife won the "friendship and trust of the great king" who bestowed Schaeffer several dozen cattle heads, fishing grounds, land and buildings under the factory.
But then the negotiations were upset and in May 1816 on the approached Russian ships "Discovery" and "Ilmen" Scheffer sailed to Kauai. Kaumualia was pleased to have the opportunity to get a strong ally and with his help regain independence. May 21 (June 2) he solemnly asked Alexander I to take his possessions under the patronage, vowed loyalty to the Russian scepter, promised to return “Bering” and his cargo, gave the company a monopoly on the trade in sandalwood and the right of unimpeded establishment of trading stations in their territories.

1 (13) in June, Qaumualia under a secret agreement singled out Schaeffer 500 people to conquer the islands of Oahu, Lanai, Maui, Malokai and others, and also promised all possible assistance in the construction of Russian forts on all the islands. Schaeffer bought the Lydia schooner for Qaumualia and agreed to buy the Avon armed ship from the Americans. Finalize and pay for the transaction should have been Baranov. The cost of the ships of Kaumualia undertook to reimburse the company with sandalwood.

Schaeffer and his people were granted several Hawaiian villages and a number of territories by the king, where Schaeffer made a series of renames: the valley of Hanalei named Sheffertal (valley of Schaeffer), the Hanapepe river - Don. He gave Russian surnames (Platov, Vorontsov) and local leaders.

In the possessions of Kaumualia Schaeffer, by means of the king provided him several hundred workers, he laid out gardens, built buildings for a future trading post and three fortresses, naming them in honor of Alexander I, his wife Empress Elizabeth and Barclay de Tolly.

The message sent by Schaeffer to the Main Board of the Russian-American Company Baranov reached the addressee of only 14 (26) in August 1817. Although confident in the need to join the islands, but not daring to act independently, company directors V.V. Kramer and A.I. Severin sent a report to the emperor and foreign minister K.V. Nesselrode. In February, 1818 Nesselrode set out the final decision:

“The Emperor deigns to believe that the acquisition of these islands and their voluntary admission to his patronage not only cannot bring Russia any substantial benefit, but, on the contrary, in many respects is associated with very important inconveniences. And therefore, His Majesty is pleased that Tomari King, expressing all possible affability and desire to keep affectionate relations with him, not accept the mentioned act from him, but only limit himself to decree of the above-mentioned benevolent intercourse and act to spread the merchandise of the American company with the Sandwich Islands, pokazika these will be consistent with this order of affairs "

Such a decision was in accordance with the general direction of the policy of Russia at that time. Refusing acquisitions in the Pacific, Alexander I hoped to keep Britain from seizing the territory of the decaying Spanish colonial empire. In addition, the government did not want to worsen relations with the United States before the start of negotiations on their inclusion in the Holy Alliance. In general, as always, our rulers do not mind anything for friends.

Thus, the king refused to accept the Hawaiian Islands for citizenship, and soon the Russians were expelled from the islands by our then American friends.

2. Papua New Guinea.

The great Russian traveler and scientist Nikolai Nikolayevich Miklukho-Maclay (1846 – 1888) tried to attach Russia to New Guinea. In 1883, he met with Emperor Alexander III, to whom he expressed his old thought. He wanted Russia to establish a protectorate over the free part of New Guinea before England or Germany did it. In fact, he proposed to join his coast (Maclay Coast in the north of New Guinea) to Russia. He hoped in this way to protect the natives from the barbarity of the colonialists. The king remained indifferent to his proposal. Although Maclay Coast was owned by Miklouho-Maclay, Russia did not react at all when the Germans took over the colony.

3. Islands

Russian navigators discovered in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans near the 400 islands, but for some reason they belong to France and England. Many islands of Polynesia (Society Islands, Tuamotu, Marquis, Tubouai) were discovered by Russian navigators. Even a whole archipelago exists - the Islands of the Russians (however, the Russian tsars did not need them, but they needed France). The names of the islands speak for themselves: Arakcheev, Volkonsky, Kruzenshtern, Spiridov, Barclay de Tolly, Chichagov, Kutuzov, Wittgenstein, Bellinsgausen.


Missed colonies in Africa.

Strangely enough, but the Russian kings to the rich Black continent almost did not show interest. Peter I was thinking about the colonization of Madagascar, for which he sent an expedition there at the head of the Swedish admiral Daniel Wilster. Peter the Great was the king of the clever, and he was well aware that for communications with the possessions of Russia in the Pacific Ocean, colonies in Africa were necessary for the parking of ships. However, due to the death of the king, the matter died down. However, the kings didn’t take any concrete action until that wonderful moment when all of Africa was already divided by the European powers. It was then that only for sluggish Russian rulers it became clear that a base in Africa is needed - on the way from European Russia to the Pacific Ocean, to Vladivostok. And even, it’s not that the kings understood it (that such a base is needed only in the Russian-Japanese war, when our squadron was refused to sell coal at ports by our future allies in the Entente).

There was only a timid attempt to colonize Ethiopia, which Nikolai Ivanovich Ashinov made (1856 - 1902). To begin with, it was necessary to convince the Ethiopians that we have one faith with them (this is not so). In 1883, Ashinov went to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), setting himself a plan to promote the political and ecclesiastical rapprochement of Abyssinia with Russia, and entered into relations with Negus John. Returning then to Russia, he, calling himself a "free Cossack", started an expedition to Abyssinia on 1889. At the head of a detachment of 150 Terek Cossacks founded the colony "New Moscow" in Fort Sagallo on the coast of the French Somalia (now Djibouti). However, this territory was claimed by our friends of the French at that time (and the Italians for Ethiopia itself). The French were in a difficult situation, but to their happiness, Petersburg hurried to disown Ashinov. 5 February 1889 Cossacks spotted a French squadron as part of a cruiser and three gunboats. Ashinov received from the messenger a letter with an ultimatum. But Ashinov, who did not know French, greeted the general, since he did not expect an attack from the friendly Russian empire of the country. The shelling of Sagallo began, as a result of which six Russians were wounded, several died. French shells destroyed all the landings. A shirt was raised over Sagallo as a white flag. Soon on the ships "Zabiyaka" and "Chikhachev" they were taken to Russia. In 1894, a retired captain of the Kuban Cossack troops N.S. Leontyev together with a prominent Russian traveler A.V. Eliseev, a retired staff captain of horse artillery K.S. Zvyagin and Archimandrite Ephraim organized an expedition to Ethiopia. In the old capital of Ethiopia - Entoto - the expedition was met by Emperor Menelik II. Leontyev succeeded in convincing the Russian government to donate to Menelik 30 thousand rifles, 5 million cartridges and 6 thousand sabers decorated as sold through French intermediary L. Chefne. In Massawa, all the materials were confiscated by the Italians, and only after the conclusion of peace between Italy and Ethiopia in 1896 were they transferred to the latter. In the period of the Italian-Ethiopian war 1895-96 Leontyev was in Ethiopia as a military adviser to the emperor Menelik. 9 May 1896 Negus granted Leontyev an honorary shield, a saber and a title of count, first established for this in Ethiopia. Leontyev also participated in the peace negotiations between Ethiopia and Italy. 12 August 1896 he arrived in Rome, where he reported on the latest conditions of the world proposed by Menelik. In 1897, Menelik appointed Leontyev Governor General of Uba and Bako counties in the south of the country. Leontyev tried to involve the Russian government in the exploitation of these territories, but was refused. However, he managed to get Russia to transfer Ethiopia another 30 thousand guns with ammunition, however, this party was arrested in London on the grounds that the trade certificate did not mention ownership weapons Russian government. In 1897, Russia sent its diplomatic mission headed by P.M. to Ethiopia. Vlasov. At this point, Leontyev, together with British, French and Belgian industrialists, founded the Society for the Operation of the Equatorial Provinces of Ethiopia, which Vlasov reported to St. Petersburg. The Russian government refused to further support Leontyev. The last milestone in his activities was the participation in the military campaign of the Ethiopian troops led by race Wolde-Georgis to Lake Rudolph (1898-1899). Leontyev was wounded and left Ethiopia forever. More fortunate one of his assistants, N.N. A masterpiece that hoisted the Ethiopian flag on the southwest shore of Lake Rudolph, thereby establishing the southern border of Ethiopia. Thus, due to the indecisiveness of the Russian tsars, it was not possible to get a colony in Africa.

The USSR, too, could well have seized any territory in Africa, in exchange for the aid and weapons supplied, but the Soviet leadership chose to donate. The General Secretaries (partly justified by the fact that they were in marasmus) preferred to be friends. So the USSR, for example, built a deep-water port in Berbera (Somalia), in the hope that there would be a Soviet base there. But after we built a port there, we were kicked out of there, and the base was placed by the Americans. Then the USSR began to create a military base in Eritrea (then part of Ethiopia), on the Dahlak Islands, but the Eritreans won the war with the Ethiopians, and we were kicked out again. If the general secretaries did not believe the words, and in exchange for weapons and assistance they would demand territory, the bases would still be Russian.

2) Libya: Churchill in the "Second World War" claims that he tried to give Stalin Libya at the Yalta Conference in exchange for reducing the Soviet dominions in Eastern Europe.


Arctic and Antarctica.

1. Antarctica was discovered by Russian navigators, but for some reason Russia never made any claims on the territory of this continent (rich in resources), unlike many other countries. For example, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Norway, Great Britain and France claim to parts of Antarctica, and we, who discovered it, have nothing to pretend.
Value: huge marine bioresources in coastal waters, gas, oil.

2. Russia's northern polar possessions / USSR are lost due to the lack of rigidity and consistency of Russia's foreign policy. Therefore, now the Polar possessions are disputed by other countries, not only the seas, but also the islands (Franz Josef Land - Norway, Wrangel Island - the USA, which does not prevent us from disarming further).
Value: marine bioresources, gas, oil.

3. The Svalbard Archipelago (Grumant) could have been Russian / Soviet, but due to the indecisiveness of Molotov (formerly Kings), was ceded to Norway.
Value: coal, marine bioresources, gas, oil, 90% of all fresh water.


Space
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Despite the fact that the USSR was the first to launch spacecraft on the Moon, Venus and Mars, for some reason he did not raise the question of the distribution of sovereignty to these space objects (or at least parts of them). By analogy, the US and the EU could claim Titan (Saturn’s satellite) and Jupiter, to which they first launched space probes.
Value: vast natural resources (metals, thermonuclear fuel in the form of deuterium, etc.), the promising possibility of terraforming (creating conditions suitable for human life), that is, settling.

Despite this, Russia (and the USSR) do not even try to extend their sovereignty to parts of the solar system. Although frankly speaking, having a voice in the UN Security Council, and a certain number of not yet rusty nuclear missiles, it was possible to share space with the Americans. In any case, in years 30-50 the problem will become actual, but by that time, will we have any arguments?
The conclusion is that the idiocy and pofigism of the authorities stipulates that, despite the fact that we were in space the first, the Americans, the Chinese, the Europeans, and the Japanese will be the owners there in the future, but not us.


What would happen if?

For example, if we didn’t miss the colonies, we would have had Ethiopia, the Hawaiian Islands, Alaska, the northeastern part of New Guinea, 1904, Thailand. What would have changed?

Well, first of all, Japan would not be able to defeat us if our fleet were not locked in Vladivostok and in Port Arthur, but located in the center of the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii. From there he could strike at the Japanese islands. The fleet, under the leadership of Rozhestvensky, was, firstly, better supplied, if we had colonies in Africa, and secondly, entering the Pacific Ocean, it would not break through meaninglessly through the Tsushima Strait, but would stand up in bases - in Hawaii or in Thailand, already from there making raids against Japan. And the lack of experience sailing in the southern seas in this war led to the fact that the shells from Rozhestvensky actually deteriorated due to humidity.

In a word, we would not lose the Japanese war, and therefore the 1905 Revolution would be weaker, the power of Nicholas II would be more popular, and therefore we would not have lost the First World War either. Therefore, there would be no 1917 Revolution. Explain how Russia would be different if 70 were more than the years of “Soviet power”, if not for the Civil War, the Genocide of the Cossacks, the Holodomor, Raskulachivaniya, etc. etc. I think normal people are not worth it. The Russian Empire did not develop, we approached World War II, firstly, with a large population, secondly, we would have Finland, which means there would be no Finnish front, and there would be no Siege of Leningrad ...

I must say that there are still individuals who fully justify the sale of Alaska and other concessions. Their arguments boil down to 2 points:
1) These distant territories are difficult to supply, expensive, they are far.
2) We would still have taken away everything by force. It is better to donate or sell.

Essentially, the 1 clause contradicts the 2 clause, because the 1 clause says that these territories are not needed, and 2 - that they are needed not only by us, but also by other countries. In fact, they are really needed, in any case, the Americans grant independence to Alaska not to rush (in Alaska, the topic of disconnection is popular).

So that?

1. To supply Alaska is no more difficult than Kamchatka or Chukotka - also by sea and aviation. If we do not need Alaska, then why do we need Kamchatka and Chukotka? What is the difference between them?
2. Still, because of Alaska, no one was going to fight with Russia, and the agreements with the United States and Great Britain on the delimitation of the borders of Russian America confirm this.

By the way, even during the Crimean War, the allies did not even try to seize Alaska, and the troops who attempted to seize Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky were defeated.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 11 January 2014 07: 40
    +9
    From our rulers everything can be expected - by kindness (tolerance) of the soul they can give a lot.
    Sometimes you start to think that going to bed in your country the next morning you can wake up in a neighboring country (in which leaders are much smarter than our worthless reformers).
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 08: 29
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      From our rulers everything can be expected - by kindness (tolerance) of the soul they can give a lot.


      Actually, much can also be expected from the people.
      I ruined two empires with my own hands. First, Russian, and then Soviet.
      Is it worth it now to talk about the lost colonies, the more so separated from the main territory?
      A good example is England or even America, which lost all the territories that they owned away from the center. The exception is rather the Hawaiian and Aleutian islands.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 11 January 2014 08: 41
        0
        Speaking of Alaska:
        1. Babon
          Babon 11 January 2014 09: 04
          +3
          They actually sold Alaska
          1. morpex
            morpex 11 January 2014 10: 40
            +9
            Quote: Babon
            They actually sold Alaska

            In general, there were two deals. First, in 1841, Russian California was sold to Sutter, a Mexican citizen for 43, thousands of rubles in silver. (The deal was a secret until 1857 of the year) Then, on 30 of March of 1867 of the year, Alaska ..
            Annoyingly different. From Sutter, only 5 thousand were received in cash, and in Alaska in general a comedy!
            The “proceeds” from the sale of the money never reached Russia. 7 of millions of dollars was transferred to London by bank transfer, and already gold bars bought for this amount were transported from London to St. Petersburg by sea. But a misfortune happened - the Orkney barque, on board of which there was a precious cargo, sank on the 16 of July 1868 of the year on the way to Petersburg. Whether there was gold in it at that time, or whether it did not leave the borders of England at all, is unknown. The insurance company that insured the ship and cargo declared itself bankrupt, and the damage was only partially compensated.
      2. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 11 January 2014 10: 25
        +3
        The empire was destroyed by those in power USING THE PEOPLE FOR ITS PURPOSES and not the people. Or do you know examples when the people were led by a turner, a locksmith, a plowman?
        1. Babon
          Babon 11 January 2014 11: 54
          0
          He was a civil engineer, by education, Yeltsin's surname.
          1. vo.dum
            vo.dum 11 January 2014 13: 40
            +2
            still that ... and in general, apart from GDP over the past 35 years, there is no one to remember ... and GDP is still at an average level ... maybe for now?
          2. wow
            wow 11 January 2014 15: 08
            +5
            He is the same civil engineer as I am a Spanish pilot !!! This category of people is well known to me personally. He graduated from somewhere somewhere, some university, but in his specialty he "breaks" to work, it is necessary to plow there. So, by hook or by crook, they climb first "in the Komsomol" line, and then "grow" along the party line. Get out into some "liberated" secretaries and off we go. From their so-called. "specialty" in a couple of years not a trace remains, well, only they beat themselves in the chest with a heel, that they are also from the proletarians, like they worked hard without unbending (at a construction site, for example)!
            1. Patriot
              Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 24
              +1
              that's for sure and full of them
          3. 225chay
            225chay 11 January 2014 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: Babon
            He was a civil engineer, by education, Yeltsin's surname.


            This was a great DESTRUCTOR ...
          4. Basarev
            Basarev 11 January 2014 20: 05
            +2
            There was also a Gorbachev combine ...
        2. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 13: 22
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          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          Empire ruined empire USING THE PEOPLE FOR ITS PURPOSES not people. Or do you know examples when people were led by a turner, locksmith, plowman?


          it follows from your message that the people are sheep, which are very easy to breed on such a slogan as "Justice", and partly be right. since those who arrange revolutions are rams. In Moscow, according to the results of the mayoral elections, about a quarter of a million, I bet that their parents were part of the herd that, with a smile on their face, destroyed the country of the Soviets.
          1. Patriot
            Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 28
            0
            no people are not rams, at least most are just our people not organized
        3. Patriot
          Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 22
          +1
          that’s just a simple worker, if he is put at the head of the country or appointed to an important position, he will quickly collapse and squander the country, firstly he will begin to enrich himself and help many relatives secondly, they usually don’t understand how to manage and quickly fall into the tricks of other politicians and turn into in puppets
      3. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 11 January 2014 13: 07
        +8
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Actually, much can also be expected from the people.

        Not as much as you think. Already wrote about this, so I repeat:
        "With the collapse of the USSR, the people's power was usurped by oligarchic structures in ALL the post-Soviet space. Therefore, the policy of the ruling classes does not depend in any way on popular opinion. Therefore, the people are for the restoration of the USSR, and the rulers are against. A customs union is enough for rulers to make it more profitable to trade, but not in no more! Otherwise, it threatens the national elites with the loss of sovereignty and power. "
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 13: 25
          -1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Not as much as you think. Already wrote about this, so I repeat:
          "With the collapse of the USSR, the people's power was usurped by oligarchic structures in ALL the post-Soviet space.


          Where does all this ears grow? If there were not hundreds of thousands of citizens in the squares in 1991, the USSR would still exist. And what happened later was a consequence of the next populist slogan "For JUSTICE", which was used in 1917 and in 1991 and in December 2012 to this day, and those who speak about this most often from the high rostrum of the rally already know in advance that it will not happen.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 11 January 2014 19: 49
            0
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            If there weren’t hundreds of thousands of citizens in 1991, the USSR would still exist.

            I think it is no longer a secret for anyone how "hundreds of thousands" of citizens are organized in the squares ... for example, the Maidan, Syria, or public sector rallies "for the GDP and edrosov", nevertheless the People - its politically active part - is an effective force and leader country relying on the masses, works wonders, the example of Stalin. Think about how many citizens will go out on the street of their own free will with portraits of modern "leaders"
            “20 years ago, on March 17, 1991, a referendum was held called the“ Referendum for the Preservation of the USSR ”.

            The turnout was 80,03%: 185,6 million out of 148,6 million citizens of the USSR with the right to vote took part. Of these, 113,5 million (78%) answered “Yes” to the question of preserving the USSR.
            The question of what kind of referendum it was, by whom and why it was held, and why it ultimately contributed not to the preservation of the USSR, but the exact opposite, remains relevant. "
            http://igpr.ru/video/referendum_za_sohranenie_sssr_i_izmena_rodine

            And yet ... I like how you consistently uphold your point of view, without putting labels on swamps (this is not about Bolotnikov’s uprising) and all-rallies. Be healthy! hi
            1. Patriot
              Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 36
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              Quote: S_mirnov
              The turnout was 80,03%: 185,6 million out of 148,6 million citizens of the USSR with the right to vote took part. Of these, 113,5 million (78%) answered "Yes" to the question of preserving the USSR. It is still relevant the question of what kind of referendum it was, by whom and why it was held, and why it ultimately contributed not to the preservation of the USSR, but to the exact opposite. "http://igpr.ru/video/referendum_za_sohranenie_sssr_i_izme
              na_rodine
              only the Soviet Union had a larger population even without the Baltic states and Georgia, and the referendum was really interesting and did not understand why it was held when they were going to ruin the country
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 09: 13
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      From our rulers everything can be expected-

      Your post says that you read, only the headline.
    3. varov14
      varov14 11 January 2014 10: 55
      +6
      to the same Lehe. Think about the fundamental meaning of the article, not even the article itself, but just a paragraph. This is written by a provocateur, one of the varieties of goblins. ------- "As you know, all empires once emerge, expand, but then inevitably fall apart. In 1991, the USSR collapsed, and the modern Russian Federation follows the same course. In 1917, the Russian Empire collapsed. As a result of the Revolution of 1917, Russia lost Finland, Poland, Kars region (now Turkey) lost the First World War. " The whole essence of the subsequent bodyagi to substantiate the essence of the first two sentences of the paragraph I have highlighted (I could not change the color for clarity). The last sentence is generally turned upside down, and clearly deliberately. That you are so bad about the ancestors, they kept what they could definitely hold. You can only hold back by a general idea, who is stopping you from joining the lost, interest the population living there.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 11 January 2014 11: 14
        +6
        Everything is natural, with strong rulers - Russia grows in territories, and with weak territories it loses.
        Now it seems to be not much, but there is no clear answer - why they gave it away - no. So hide the unsightly facts.

        "The new Chinese borderland - the well-known Amur Islands Bolshoy Ussuriisky and Tarabarov - are slowly but surely settling in the Chinese. Under the terms of an agreement between Russia and China signed by President Vladimir Putin on June 1, 2005, these territories are transferred from the new year to the sovereignty of the PRC. the neighbor got more than 300 sq. km "

        "On March 25, 2011, the law" On the ratification of the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom of Norway on the delimitation of maritime spaces and cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean "was approved by 311 deputies of United Russia. 57 members of parliament opposed the ratification of the treaty. Members of the Communist Party faction were dissatisfied with the document and voted against, while representatives of Fair Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party also spoke out against the ratification, but did not vote at all.
        Deputies from EP are already coming up with fables that this is another victory for the Russians, that now Norway and Russia have become real friends, that investments from Norway will flood into the country.

        Nikolay Bogdanov said: “I wonder what circumstances and obligations and to whom forced the diplomacy and the authorities of Russia in the Blitzkrieg version in March 2008 to sign a law on the delimitation of waters in the Varanger Fjord, and in April 2010 - an agreement on the delimitation of the disputed zone in the Barents Sea ". In his opinion, the loss of hydrocarbons for future generations of Russians located in the fields of the shelf that was ceded to Norway amount to up to 5 billion tons of recoverable resources in terms of oil. The annual loss of fish resources for Russian fishermen will be about 150 thousand tons, mainly of cod species, the expert said.
        http://forum.forvip.ru/index.php?showtopic=2886
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 13: 34
          +3
          Quote: S_mirnov
          "The new Chinese borderland - the well-known Amur islands Bolshoy Ussuriisky and Tarabarov - are slowly but surely being settled by the Chinese.


          This agreement was signed by Gorbachev. And we should not confuse the solution of territorial disputes with the separation of territories. Here is the slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus" - just the same.

          Quote: S_mirnov
          "On March 25, 2011, the law" On the ratification of the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom of Norway on the delimitation of maritime spaces and cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean "


          The dispute also existed under the USSR, and if you look at the final agreement, the decision was as compromise as possible. Moreover, most of the territory of the withdrawing Norway is a fish protection zone, and where fishing is allowed - an adjacent zone, that is, we and they catch fish there. The same goes for oil, as it was decided to develop the former disputed fields together.


          Quote: S_mirnov
          In his opinion, hydrocarbon losses for future generations of Russians who are in the deposits of the shelf offshore Norway amount to 5 billion tons of recoverable resources in terms of oil.

          Before talking about the lost carbon, we must first remove them, and while there was an indefiniteness in this matter, a line with two, we would have extracted something there.

          Moreover, our goal is the shelf, namely the Arctic, along the Lomonosov Ridge. Accordingly, Norway will no longer be able to make any complaints to us about this, since we have resolved all territorial disputes in this region of the North.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 11 January 2014 14: 39
            +2
            It’s possible to dissemble and explain for a long time something about Gorbachev and about the fact that we and future generations of Russians do not need these territories ... But the fact remains and it is undeniable - the Russian Federation in its present form is losing territories, but not gaining!
            Everything else is self-deception.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 16: 16
              +2
              Quote: S_mirnov
              You can dissemble and explain for a long time something about Gorbachev and about the fact that we and future generations of Russians do not need these territories ..


              In 1991, Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, according to which the border was drawn along the Amur channel. Daman Island at the same time finally passed to China. The irrigation war around the island of Tarabarov and the Big Ussuri Island continued, what is cunning ??
              Does anyone remember the angry articles of the liberals that Gorbachev was trading in his homeland and gave China several dozen “original Russian islands” at once?
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 11 January 2014 19: 57
                -1
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                In 1991, Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, according to which the border was drawn along the Amur channel.

                However, Russian land was given to the Chinese at GDP, and Satan was slaughtered at GDP. And the scalpel destroyed with GDP
                "According to the START-2 treaty, Russia was supposed to withdraw from service (and destroy) all RT-23UTTKh missiles by 2003. After the US unilaterally withdrawn from the ABM Treaty, Russia declared that this agreement was irrelevant. However, in 2003-2005, all complexes BZHRK were removed from combat duty and destroyed.
                "
                A rejection of the decisions of former leaders is not such an exception. An example is the Katyn issue, the decision of the State Duma and the military prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation, clearly at odds with the Nuremberg trials and the position of the leaders of the USSR!
            2. Patriot
              Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 44
              0
              apparently they’re afraid of war, but in my opinion they will only bring war closer
        2. vo.dum
          vo.dum 11 January 2014 13: 50
          +3
          Yes, the squandering of land is going on ... and no one is putting such questions to a referendum ... but it would be worth it ... but for now these rulers feel that they will not get a hat for it ... they will act. In general, the actions of the GDP are respected ( you may be at the same time disagreeing with his actions), but posing as a democrat and just a man, it’s ugly to give away what you didn’t earn ... but the ancestors of the very people who choose him earned money and on whose opinion and will he spits with high belfries ... fu ... radish ... maybe a politician makes decisions knowing something we don’t know ???
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 16: 15
            0
            Quote: vo.dum
            Yes, the squandering of land is going on ... and no one is putting such questions to a referendum ... but it would be worth it ... but for now these rulers feel that they will not get a hat for it ... and they will act

            Therefore, probably the Sea of ​​Okhotsk has finally become the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation, and half of the Arctic will soon depart to Russia. Therefore, probably the Caucasus is still ours, and not a colony of England and the USA, and Kaliningrad has not been surrendered to the Germans, and the Kuril Islands have not been surrendered to the Japanese.

            But for some reason, these 300 squares bother you. km of dormant territories that were divided equally with the Chinese, and now for the first time in our history there are no territorial differences with the Chinese, but only joint projects with good profits? Doesn’t it bother you that the USSR could not do anything about it?

            Transferring Crimea to Ukraine - this is squandering, signing an agreement with the same Chinese Gorbachev on Damansky and a dozen small islands - an obvious unilateral concession without dividends, selling Alaska and Russian California - squandering. The formation of a separate Ukrainian SSR is a squandering in its pure form, since there was no Ukraine, there was Poland and Russia, and the Poles profiled their western part, and we blinded a new state from it and a piece of our land, and now we are forced to do something with it to negotiate there.
          2. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 11 January 2014 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: vo.dum
            .and no one puts such questions to a referendum ... but it would be worth it.

            A referendum is the highest form of will of citizens (according to the constitution), and traders are afraid of their citizens like fire !!! Therefore, holding a referendum is the strictest taboo!
            http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/24/referendum/
            The newspaper is certainly pro-Western, but the fact of the cancellation of the referendum is undeniable! Nent of time to look for other sources about attempts to hold referenda, except that the IPGR Call and the law on the responsibility of authorities to the citizens of the Russian Federation come to mind.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 04: 34
              -1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              A referendum is the highest form of will of citizens (according to the constitution), and traders are afraid of their citizens like fire !!! Therefore, holding a referendum is the strictest taboo!


              The opinion of the people, although important, is not enough for a balanced choice. otherwise, how to explain the Yeltsin’s vote on the 2 term? There were frauds, but the EBN rating was really high.
              Or, hold a referendum in 1995 go about the secession of the North Caucasus? Would separate immediately!
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 12 January 2014 14: 52
              0
              Quote: S_mirnov
              A referendum is the highest form of will of citizens (according to the constitution), and traders are afraid of their citizens like fire !!!

              Can we stand with both feet on the sinful earth, returning from the sky-high heights of democracy ?!
              While there is a neutral wording _
              There is democracy, there are no democrats!

              wink
      2. Patriot
        Patriot 12 January 2014 23: 40
        0
        but we are actually going to collapse, because right now there is no common idea and if it doesn’t appear in the near future, I’m afraid that we will disappear, like many other countries
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 11 January 2014 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      From our rulers everything can be expected - by kindness (tolerance) of the soul they can give a lot.


      Stupidity and betrayal will always remain so.

      Quote: The same Lech
      Sometimes you start to think that going to bed in your country the next morning you can wake up in a neighboring country (in which leaders are much smarter than our worthless reformers).


      But it would be good on the contrary - I’m struggling to fall asleep with the president and the people in the country, and wake up in a tranny where everyone is busy with his own business and responsibly does his job, rather than sawing into his pocket.
    5. Deniska999
      Deniska999 11 January 2014 15: 44
      +3
      The author is a Russophobe and a very mediocre analyst.
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  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 11 January 2014 07: 42
    +14
    As you know, all empires once arise, expand, but then inevitably fall apart.-so is it worth it to be upset about the "lost" territories. There is more than enough space, order must be restored on it.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 11 January 2014 07: 47
      +11
      It is necessary to ask millions of Russians overseas overseas overnight - without any rights and who have become officially non-citizens of these breakaway territories. (THIS IS A TRAGEDY FOR THEM YES AND FOR US ALSO)
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 11 January 2014 08: 07
        +7
        Quote: The same Lech
        It is necessary to ask millions of Russians overseas overseas overnight - without any rights and who have become officially non-citizens of these breakaway territories. (THIS IS A TRAGEDY FOR THEM YES AND FOR US ALSO)

        And when did the government think about the people? Even in Soviet times, I think the best time is for an ordinary person, and then they managed to help half the world. And this is folk money. Well, now we don’t consider us people, right, the electorate.
      2. varov14
        varov14 11 January 2014 11: 13
        +4
        Lech do not distort. No need to justify ourselves, or we did not help the authorities? We are doing the same thing now, everyone wants a beautiful, separate apartment, and when we find ourselves in a hut, pouring crocodile tears, we were deceived.
        1. vo.dum
          vo.dum 11 January 2014 14: 01
          +1
          So it is ... but who wags someone ... the head with a tail or vice versa? But with all our conceit, the people are still the tail ... and if there is no head (power, elite) or there is nothing to be done about it, the people will go behind such a head ... though the tail theoretically has the right to choose a head ... but practically?
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 11 January 2014 17: 02
          0


          Yes, we helped the authorities because we expected help from it and received a headache in return in the form of various stupid reforms.
      3. vo.dum
        vo.dum 11 January 2014 13: 56
        +3
        Himself such ... and I already hear ... who are you to talk about the fate of Russia, go home and talk there ... and someone asked me in 91 what I want? They asked me at a referendum and wiped this piece of paper with my opinion one place. and there are many like me ...
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 07: 55
      0
      I agree! "Why the heck goat button accordion?" (C)
    3. monolit55
      monolit55 11 January 2014 08: 38
      +1
      I agree "after the fight, they don't wave their fists." But such conclusions as, what, and if By. have no sense now. The empire no longer exists. They cannot manage what is left. late ....
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 11 January 2014 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: monolit55
        they can’t control what is left

        In-in! No matter how much this is done.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 11 January 2014 09: 17
        0
        Quote: monolit55
        they can’t control what is left

        In-in! No matter how much this is done.
      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX 11 January 2014 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: monolit55
        Empire is gone.

        Well, Empire, suppose, there is still)).
        And, apparently, it has a chance of further development, including and due to other pre-empires.
        The article, of course, was written in a liberal-provocative style, apparently, the author used the prepared data when writing)). Repeatedly mentioned the loss (!?) Russia of the First World War. Following the logic of the author (or rather the style of presentation of the material by him) World War II - we also lost.
        But the last message - regret about squandering territories - is useful, slightly)).
  3. Volkhov
    Volkhov 11 January 2014 07: 43
    +1
    Suppose all these territories in Russia are everywhere Serdyukov and other famous people ... or is it the hope that the colonial cannibals will eat corruption?
  4. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 07: 47
    +3
    "There was only a timid attempt to colonize Ethiopia, which was undertaken by Nikolai Ivanovich Ashinov (1856 - 1902)."

    About 7 years ago, I worked on this topic closely, after which I made a publication entitled "How the Cossacks went to Africa", maybe anyone is interested: http: //lebed.com/2007/art5204.htm
  5. Lyapis
    Lyapis 11 January 2014 07: 49
    +15
    Here it is ... and the adversaries were leaked to Antarctica (which, in fact, cannot belong to any state, see the convention of December 1.12.1959, XNUMX) and we are disarming in the polar territories (the author probably has not read news on this topic for a long time) and even The moon with Mars (originally Russian territories, yes) was missed ...
    This is how polymers are wiped out! wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 08: 34
      +7
      Quote: Lyapis
      This is how polymers are wiped out!

      This is half the trouble, the second author persecutes and does not know that Russia has never been a colonial power.
      1. Lyapis
        Lyapis 11 January 2014 08: 45
        +7
        In general, the article is interesting. An impressive list of places in which our ancestors managed to visit. But here is the flow of information ... here the author really drives.
        Phrase: "Despite this, Russia (and the USSR) do not even try to extend their sovereignty to parts of the solar system"made my day! (laughed for about ten minutes) laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 08: 54
          +7
          Despite this, Russia (and the USSR) do not even try to extend their sovereignty to parts of the solar system
          This phrase says that the author well celebrated the new year and not only vodka laughing
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 11 January 2014 11: 33
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This phrase says that the author well celebrated the new year and not only vodka

            And the fact that his holidays didn’t end - white squirrels walking around the apartment were replaced by fun jumping squirrels, the arrival of the delegation of green devils is expected on the 14 ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 11: 43
              +2
              Quote: IRBIS
              on the 14th, the arrival of the green devils delegation is expected ...

              I'm afraid that 14 author will write another article under a dropper lying in a psychiatric hospital, declaring the Milky Way a colony of Russia.
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 11 January 2014 13: 39
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I'm afraid that 14 author will write another article under a dropper lying in a psychiatric hospital, declaring the Milky Way a colony of Russia.

                Sanya! Followers of the colonial sect "minus" you! belay All you do not see you a garden house in the area of ​​Alpha Centauri, and you will vegetate on the sinful Earth! Well, don’t worry, I’ll be somewhere nearby.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 13: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: IRBIS

                  Sanya! Followers of the colonial sect "minus" you

                  Yes, I know, and even today in PM they offered to voluntarily leave the territory of Russia after moving to Tel Aviv, while to Tel Aviv. Although I’m afraid, I’ll be declared the enemy there and sent to ..... what I would choose Cassiopeia, they say there is a climate winked
                  1. IRBIS
                    IRBIS 11 January 2014 14: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I would choose Cassiopeia, they say there is a climate

                    In the meantime, let's get better to FURY - he seems to have nothing to eat!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 15: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: IRBIS

                      In the meantime, let's get better to FURY - he seems to have nothing to eat!

                      So are you already with him? laughing
                      1. IRBIS
                        IRBIS 11 January 2014 15: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        So are you already with him?

                        No, Sanya, I work this weekend, I respond. In general, I spent all the holidays driving and so, to the vulgarity of soberness.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 15: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: IRBIS
                        . In general, I spent all the holidays driving and so, to the vulgarity of soberness.

                        I’m sorry, but Klim switched to kefir yesterday, could not stand the joys of the holiday laughing
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 11 January 2014 14: 03
              +4
              good
              we still lacked a colonial war with some aliens.
              they are dumb guys)))
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 15: 10
                +1
                Quote: silver_roman
                they are dumb guys)))

                But what technologies and under a certain moment and conditions, you can send them to put things in order in the United States. Judging by the face of a stranger, he does not really like fagots.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 11 January 2014 15: 30
                  0
                  This is a predator !!!)
                  another's kind of alien. although one xp * n.
                  the photo is probably just taken at the gay parade! lol
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 15: 36
                    0
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    This is a predator !!!)

                    Well, yes, a predator, they are just there in the third part, so I got confused. Given the American tolerance that there should be blacks in every film. In the fourth part, the special forces who went to fight the predator or strangers will be homosexual. for a predator of the USA it is almost a personal insultlaughing
        2. knn54
          knn54 11 January 2014 20: 12
          0
          -Alexander of novels: this phrase suggests that the author well celebrated the new year and not only vodka.
          Looking at Bush Jr. ... and the author of the article, I realized that it was too early to legalize drugs.
          For Russia / USSR NEVER were colonial powers.
    2. major071
      major071 11 January 2014 12: 09
      +9
       Alexander Romanov
      This is half the trouble, the second author persecutes and does not know that Russia has never been a colonial power.

      The author also forgot to add that representatives of failed colonies fought on the territory of Russia, laughing for example, Chapaev was an American Indian, as he was RED and fought with the whites. wassat
  • max73
    max73 11 January 2014 07: 50
    +3
    as it was said there - "be afraid of the Danians who bring gifts ...." There was no sense in believing Asian, African and other kings, because they are "friends" with everyone and many times ...) but with Alaska, I think, in vain parted
    1. sds555
      sds555 11 January 2014 08: 07
      +4
      They may have parted with Alaska in vain, but it was unlikely that after the revolution they could have remained in the composition, for example, Poland, Finland
      1. Ruslan
        Ruslan 11 January 2014 14: 13
        +1
        not the same thing. Alaska was not an independent state formed.
        1. sds555
          sds555 11 January 2014 20: 37
          0
          But on the other hand, the United States and English Canada, since the Yankees chopped off Cuba from Spain, taking advantage of the weakness of the once powerful country, taking into account the situation in the country after the revolution, troops would have entered there and keep in mind that Alaska was not separated from Russia by a small strait, a weakened country would most likely lose these territories . IMHO And it is not a matter of statehood, but of the country's ability to hold on to conquered territories by force in the long run
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 11 January 2014 07: 53
    +17
    If my grandmother had a traffic cop, she would be a traffic cop. If it were not for Ermak and Khabarov, we would be a "normal European country", without its Asian part. Do not be Stalin with Zhukov, we were now a reservation in the Gobi desert. So what we have is what we have. By the way, we are the largest country in the world + great chances of returning the lost lands.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 January 2014 08: 00
    +15
    It is not enough to conquer a city, it is even more difficult to keep it. The same applies to the colonies. The presence of a large number of colonies does not yet speak of the strength of the state. Spain at one time owned half the world on paper. Dreaming is not harmful, especially "if only."
    To become a great country in the colonial world, you need to have a really strong army and navy, you also need to carry out such a policy in the so-called colonies themselves so that the population of these colonies themselves seeks to remain subordinate to the metropolis. Otherwise, at the first opportunity, they scatter like ships in the sea.
    But history does not know the subjunctive mood. That is, that is ...
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 11 January 2014 08: 01
    +5
    It is enough for Russia to have influence in these territories, why should they be attached especially to Mars and the Moon laughing with Antarctica? Hawaii yes)))) this is our land! Nestor the chronicler wrote about them, like the winter parking of the Russian troops))) Give Hawaii America !!!! angry
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 08: 37
      +4
      Quote: bomg.77
      ? Hawaii yes)))) this is our land!

      California is also ours !!!!! And in general, based on the number of tourists from Russia in Turkey and Egypt, this is also our land. Do you want to challenge this?
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 11 January 2014 08: 50
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And in general, based on the number of tourists from Russia to Turkey
        Alexander hi this is not tourists, but the expeditionary force))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 08: 57
          +3
          Quote: bomg.77
          this is not tourists, but the expeditionary force))

          And how many ours are there in Germany wink Does Berlin last even a day? And then they all say, Chinas, everywhere Chinas ... oh well, where the Russians do not spit laughing
          hi Aleksey hi
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 11 January 2014 09: 31
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            hi Aleksey
            Hello and happy new year !! drinks Ours generally occupied everything everywhere)) and so they behave as if at home laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 13: 36
              +1
              Quote: bomg.77
              ) and so behave as if at home

              Especially drunk laughing And merry christmas drinks
  • SPACE
    SPACE 11 January 2014 08: 02
    +5
    The Germans launched the rocket, the Americans blew up the atomic bomb, and the Russians flew into space. American General: Russians opened British Columbia and it was to be called Russian Columbia, Juno and Avos. From a recent one, the Russians arrived in Antarctica and for no reason, they decided to drill a well at the east station, while in the ice, while drilling, the Americans found out that there was a lake at the drilling site! Here you have the other side of the moon. The ways of the Lord are inscrutable, and who after that are all sorts of bilderbergs and other world managers? laughing
  • Christian
    Christian 11 January 2014 08: 15
    +18
    The author is fundamentally wrong. Russia has never had COLONIES! The Russian Empire was not a colonial empire. Our Empire was of a different type — uniting and joining the Russian world who want that people! Soviet stamps, how strong they are ...
    1. shoemaker
      shoemaker 11 January 2014 08: 29
      -5
      You are not quite right: http://www.runivers.ru/vh/18_analitics_chukotka.php
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 11 January 2014 14: 10
        0
        Quote: zapatero
        You are not quite right: http://www.runivers.ru/vh/18_analitics_chukotka.php

        Granto.sosy)) For this, they are intended in the information war - to make a v.bros.
  • igordok
    igordok 11 January 2014 08: 18
    +2
    Selling Alaska is the most idiotic act of Russian rulers before 1917.

    Please, in more detail, what caused this "idiotic act".
    The Bolsheviks are to blame for the loss of Russia in WWI? The great colonial powers have nothing to do with it? I do not believe (s).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 08: 38
      +2
      Quote: igordok
      The Bolsheviks are to blame for the loss of Russia in WWI?

      And who was the soldier campaigning for peace with the Germans?
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        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 09: 27
          -2
          Quote: Corsair5912

          The soldier didn’t have to agitate

          Well, of course, you do not need to tell tales.
        2. Christian
          Christian 11 January 2014 09: 34
          +2
          Liberasts are in power and are campaigning !!!
        3. Deniska999
          Deniska999 11 January 2014 15: 46
          0
          Let me remind you - Nicholas II was the first to create barrage units because of the general desertion in 1914-1915.
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      3. Christian
        Christian 11 January 2014 09: 34
        0
        Only the Judo-Bolshevik gang is guilty of the death of Great Russia !!!
        1. Iamfromrurik
          Iamfromrurik 11 January 2014 09: 40
          +2
          Quote: Christian
          Only the Judo-Bolshevik gang is guilty of the death of Great Russia !!!

          I agree with you.
          Unfortunately, the bulk of the population was brainwashed by the Soviet liberoid lie. The main purpose of which is to slander everything that was before 1917 so that the Soviet regime would look advantageous against the backdrop of this lie.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 13: 13
          +2
          Quote: Christian
          Only the Judo-Bolshevik gang is guilty of the death of Great Russia !!

          Not only the bandits you mentioned, but also the so-called. "allies" in the Great War (Anglo-Saxons and French) as well as Socialist-Revolutionaries, anarchists, the bourgeoisie. The Black Hundred and the Union of Michael the Archangel were opposed.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 11 January 2014 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: igordok
      The Bolsheviks are to blame for the loss of Russia in WWI? The great colonial powers have nothing to do with it? I do not believe (s).

      Yes, that was the fifth column at the time.
      It is a pity that they could not settle in Madagascar, parts of Indonesia, Hawaii and Alaska.
      1. family tree
        family tree 11 January 2014 14: 54
        +2
        Quote: Christian
        Only the Judo-Bolshevik gang is guilty of the death of Great Russia !!!


        These Bolsheviks possessed tremendous power, I look. In February 1917, they were able to force, and the king abdicate, and the Provisional Government to be about nothing. Only 24000 people, to the multi-million dollar Russia.what They were powerful sorcerers, only zombied everyone wassat
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 11 January 2014 08: 34
    +3
    from the Don.
    We still need to equip foreign lands (Russia did not have colonies). We would have enough people to put Russia in order! And we are not Anglo-Saxons, who would join the territories and uproot the local population. We would have enough bases on acceptable conditions!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 January 2014 10: 11
      +1
      RI is an empire of the Chinese type when the people of the mother country are numerically superior to the peoples of the colonized territories. There is another type of empire where the people of the metropolitan empire are numerically much smaller than the colonized territories of Roman, English, and Mongolian.
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  • pv1005
    pv1005 11 January 2014 08: 47
    +1
    If yes, if only. It's too late to bite your elbows. We must live with what remains.
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 January 2014 08: 48
    +6
    There is no doubt that Russia is not a country of angels, and cases of voluntary annexation of peoples like Georgia is not the only way to expand the Russian Empire. Russia as a strong power, actively fought, fought in the Caucasus, fought in Central Asia, and if we look at the reasons for its interference in the life of the peoples of certain regions, we will see a defensive strategy almost everywhere: the Caucasus, the soft underbelly of Russia, where some of the brigands lived. the peoples where Russia was invited, and where the Ottoman Turks actively climbed, are a vivid example of such a defensive policy. Yes, the wars in the Caucasus were fierce, some of the most violent peoples suffered greatly, no one argues. But there have always been wars on earth. The question is how did the victors treat the vanquished, how did their lands join the victors? Did the peoples of the Caucasus suffer the fate of the Chinese, Hindus, African tribes, or even the fate of the Indians who were practically exterminated by the "civilized Europeans"? No, and no again! ("HAVE RUSSIA HAVE COLONIES?" PAVEL SKAKUN)

    Even in the epic of the Scandinavian peoples, our ancestors are mentioned as the country of Gardarika (the country of cities), where different peoples live in a union of equals among equals. Our ancestors have never been slave owners. And this policy has survived to this day. For example, already in the XX century all the peoples inhabiting the USSR rose to fight against fascist Germany. The culture of each people complemented the general culture of our Union-Russia. Currently, the West is trying to tear us apart, it has achieved something, but ask ordinary citizens from the CIS countries, even from the Baltic states, the majority regrets the collapse of the USSR. It is not so easy to erase a genetic sense of community from us, which is how our ancestors differed from the Western European barbarians (even the most "degraded" there considered himself master in relation to the indigenous population of the colonies)
  • valokordin
    valokordin 11 January 2014 08: 52
    +1
    It is impossible to grab everything, not to lose what is available. The Bolsheviks for peace not only with the Germans, but, as the territories could return. These are afraid of losing everything, as they lost their sovereignty and, above all, economic. Therefore, we are ruled by Chubais and Vekselberg. Therefore, all complaints are not to the president, but to Ginger Anatoly
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 09: 00
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      These are afraid of losing everything, as they lost their sovereignty and, above all, economic

      But you are not embarrassed that we are creating a vehicle, or rather they have already been created. And what is the sovereignty that someone has occupied you? Or are you just to write something when there is nothing to write.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 11 January 2014 20: 53
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      . The Bolsheviks for peace, not only with the Germans, but, as the territories could return

      Returned ??? The Bolsheviks persecuted 14 republics plus Poland and Finland without war and natural disasters; they simply persecuted, which is even more offensive.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 11 January 2014 08: 57
    0
    At least 15 writer must solder.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 09: 16
      +1
      Quote: ZU-23
      At least 15 writer must solder.

      And what, then he will come and get a new Solzhenitsyn. So it’s easier to shoot the dog with him.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 11 January 2014 10: 29
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what, then he will come and get a new Solzhenitsyn
        Well, it’s also a great option for Solzhenitsyn’s times, and today, with his hero like that, they’ll make a hod quietly smoke aside.
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    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 11 January 2014 09: 23
      +6
      Quote: ZU-23
      At least 15 writer must solder.
      Better for those who sold low-quality vodaru to him.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 11 January 2014 10: 25
        0
        Haha, you see Putininka who was scolded, he threw himself and thinks the other way around.
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  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 11 January 2014 09: 21
    +4
    Why is it in vain to whimper about the colonies overseas, if their original Russian lands turned into alien unfriendly states? Sitting in a gunny box do not dream of sables.
    To have colonies in the Pacific, in Asia and Africa you need to have a powerful ocean fleet, and for the fleet you need ice-free bays, which the Russian Empire did not have. Port Arthur and Dalniy were rented only for the sake of ice-free bays, for naval naval bases.
    And do not talk nonsense about the lost World War I and the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, Russia lost this war only because it got into its own business on the side of the original enemies.
    Russia had a chance to capture the straits only in the 970 year, when Svyatoslav Igorevich freed Bulgaria from the Greeks and stood at the walls of Constantinople.
    In later times, Russia would inevitably have to deal with the crusaders of the 11-13 century, with the Ottoman, French and British empires of the 14-19 century. The British in the 1914 year already controlled Gibraltar and the Dardanelles, it is unlikely they would have let Russia go there.
    1. alone
      alone 11 January 2014 18: 13
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      . The British in 1914 already controlled Gibraltar and the Dardanelles, it is unlikely they would have let Russia go there.


      The British and French generally controlled the Dardanelles just after World War I until the 23rd year. And the Turks lost the battle for the Straits in 1915.
  • Ruslan
    Ruslan 11 January 2014 09: 25
    +1
    and we could also have owned France and Prussia ... and what did we get from the victory over them? liberal uro ... boasted that the Russian army had paid all debts to local shops and brothels, although even black soil had to be taken out for Napoleon's attack, and from Prussia only cockroaches, which were called "Prussians". why? The emperor of Russia was fanatical of the defeated Frederick and therefore withdrew the troops, taking nothing from him. if only the gold took the uro ...!

    in order to acquire everything that is indicated in the article, the political will of the rulers was needed. and what do we have? one emperor refused to carry out the will of England, he was beaten up with a snuffbox by homosexuals and his son was already involved in a war with Napoleon, which we did not need. what can we talk about? Russia would not fall apart and that is joy. and then degenerates-separators have already appeared, Russia is big to them !!! scum !!!
  • demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 10: 03
    +8
    Once a drunken drunkard made an interesting judgment: one should take as much sovereignty as you can swallow. And he was right - if you grab something extra, like the island of Tobago, the Hawaiian archipelago, the coast of California and other territories listed in the article, you can choke. Russia was expanding territorially slowly but surely, and added to itself only as much as it could "digest". And with the annexation of Siberia, the problem of territorial acquisitions has become not so important for us. The main issue here was the security of our borders and access to the open seas. This was what was guided by.
    1. igordok
      igordok 11 January 2014 10: 15
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      Once a drunken drunkard,

      It is a sin to refer to Judas, but otherwise you are right.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 January 2014 10: 40
    0
    Now there is a slow but sure tendency for the return of lands, for example, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, you can call the status of these republics whatever you like, but for sure they are already ours, even if not legally yet (this is not yet necessary), but these lands are definitely under ours " protectorate ", I hope Transnistria is next in line, and in the near future the Union headed by Russia with such countries as: Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. As for Ukraine, there are certain difficulties known to all, but the fact that some part of it in the future will be in the Union (Association) is a fact. Plus to this the preconditions for unification with Mongolia or even further Serbia and Bulgaria.
    1. Pirr
      Pirr 11 January 2014 13: 59
      -2
      Quote: RUSS
      , and in the near future, the Union led by Russia with such countries as: Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. As for Ukraine, there are certain certain difficulties for everyone, but the fact that some part of it in the future will be in the Union (Union) is a fact. Plus, there are prerequisites for unification with Mongolia or even further Serbia and Bulgaria.

      Knowing the mood in Belarus, I will say that there will be no union "led by Russia"! Hack it in your nose! A union like the EU is another matter. Let's look at the viability of the Customs Union. Wait not long. Either-or .. "The eldest wife in the hostel", the new Gulchatay, will no longer be. Passed.
  • Boris63
    Boris63 11 January 2014 10: 41
    0
    Even if Russia "did not miss" the chance and all this "came true". The 20th century became the century of the collonial system collapse, and the retention of colonies is "blood" (and always). So why "goat button accordion" - to talk about what would be a big "headache".
  • SkiF_RnD
    SkiF_RnD 11 January 2014 10: 49
    +2
    stop
    The reasons for the defeat in the Russo-Japanese war lie in a different posit. And gunpowder, coal, and Hawaii are excuses. Now, if we had aviation then, then everything would have been oiled ... Could have won, and definitely. Northern Sea Route. Armor-piercing shells. Mukden. A number of fatal failures completed. So many opportunities for victory, lost in one war, I can only recall similar in the Second World War (with the disparate scale of these wars). And here is the disruption of the veil to us. Hawaii was not enough. Swimming experience in the southern seas (tear off tongue for chatter)
  • Victor1
    Victor1 11 January 2014 11: 15
    +1
    Nicholas II answered Bakunin: "Friendship with England is more important to me than these wild places."

    Stupid, nevertheless, he was a tsar, he was friends with England before, everyone knows the result, and how did he prosral the country, tens of millions of killed and ruined lives ..
    not that he could not take measures in 12 years from the moment of the first revolution to protect the homeland and the Russian people, and he himself could not have so renounced in favor of the more capable.
    All that was needed was to increase the social side of the common people, reform with an emphasis on the future, then no one would follow the revolutionaries.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 11 January 2014 11: 24
    +1
    Article plus
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: Clegg
      Article plus

      Just the opposite - minus.
  • Arhj
    Arhj 11 January 2014 11: 27
    +3
    The review is interesting, but there are a lot of "ifs". It is not enough to get a colony, it must still be kept. As for Alaska and a number of islands, our rulers must have gotten excited. But on the whole, the policy aimed at retaining neighboring and already subordinate territories has justified itself. We have retained most of our lands, but colonial empires have not.
  • Petergut
    Petergut 11 January 2014 12: 12
    +2
    The section about the Moon, Mars and Venus sincerely amused. lol
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 11 January 2014 12: 29
    +2
    Oh, these Omperts ... If, yes, if only ... In Siberia, they still drown firewood at home, and they are all about missed opportunities ... But Siberia, there was NEVER electricity in Chechnya in the Itum-Kalinsky District, and they they dream of Papuan ...
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 January 2014 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Oh, these Omperts ... If, yes, if only ... In Siberia, they still drown firewood at home, and they are all about missed opportunities ... But Siberia, there was NEVER electricity in Chechnya in the Itum-Kalinsky District, and they they dream of Papuan ...

      And what to heat if not with wood? To import coal? Hundreds of kilometers to lay a gas pipeline?
      In the whole world where there is winter and forests are heated with wood, and not just in Siberia.
      Electricity is not a problem. Now in cottages and small remote villages they put diesel stations and provide their electricity needs.
      Every blacksmith of his own happiness, if the inhabitants in that Chechnya wanted it, they would have electricity.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 12 January 2014 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        And what to heat if not with wood? To import coal? Hundreds of kilometers to lay a gas pipeline?

        In East Siberia, the largest gas fields, at least kill, but pull the gas pipeline to Abakan much closer than to Western Europe or China ...
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    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 January 2014 13: 01
      0
      Where winter is, there they drown.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 11 January 2014 14: 01
        +2
        Corsair,
        I live in the west of Kazakhstan. That is, we have winter. And, ours is not drowned but there is gas. Even in settlements where less than 1,000 people live. There is light, gas, and even the Internet. The speed is rather weak, somewhere around 250-500 kb per second.
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        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 11 January 2014 15: 03
          0
          Quote: Clegg
          Corsair, I live in the west of Kazakhstan. That is, we have winter. And, ours is not drowned but there is gas. Even in settlements where less than 1,000 people live. There is light, gas, and even the Internet. The speed is rather weak, somewhere 250-500 kb per second.

          And what in Kazakhstan to heat without gas? There are no forests there. Coal can, of course, be used. Gas and coal are suitable when settlements are compactly located near gas pipelines and railways. And if the village is 300-300 km from highways and roads, in the taiga? Yes, and you can get to it only by winter road and by air.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 11 January 2014 16: 29
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            And what in Kazakhstan to heat without gas? There are no forests there.

            dung for example
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 11 January 2014 17: 45
              0
              Quote: Clegg
              dung for example

              To have a dung, you need a lot, a lot of livestock.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 11 January 2014 18: 04
                +1
                Quote: Corsair5912
                To have a dung, you need a lot, a lot of livestock.

                Not only cattle, but also desire is needed. In remote places we do this, I mean villages where there are 10-15 houses. In winter, they gather in a bunch, then in the spring when rainy weather makes dungsters.
                I agree this is a long process, it would be a desire.
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  • Not hearing
    Not hearing 11 January 2014 12: 35
    +2
    During the Crimean War, nobody really wanted to conquer Russian Alaska, nobody needed it. Gold by this time have not yet been found. But then the situation changed dramatically.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 January 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Quote: Not Hearing
      During the Crimean War, nobody really wanted to conquer Russian Alaska, nobody needed it. Gold by this time have not yet been found. But then the situation changed dramatically.

      During the Eastern (Crimean) war, the British, Ottoman and French empires tried to deprive Russia of access to the Black, Baltic, Barents Sea and the Pacific Ocean.
      If they succeeded, Alaska, without the support of Russia, would have fallen away.
      But in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky the Anglo-French (6 ships, 216 guns, 2700 men) were defeated by the Russians under the command of Major General V.S. Zavoiko (23 guns 988 men and the frigate Aurora 56 guns 300 men).
      The losses of the invaders were such that they had a hunt for the conquest of Russian lands immediately passed.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 January 2014 12: 51
    +2
    The title of the article itself is not entirely correct, since Russia has never had any colonies, in the direct sense of the definition of -colony. All the lands that were annexed to Russia-Russia-USSR were not colonies.
  • baytygan
    baytygan 11 January 2014 13: 03
    0
    a base in Hawaii is good, on the one hand, why do we need Port Arthur then, on the other, the Japanese would attack Hawaii ...
  • 120352
    120352 11 January 2014 13: 04
    +1
    It's time to return the property ...
  • standby
    standby 11 January 2014 13: 04
    0
    Put the author +! There are many disadvantages, of course it’s unpleasant to think about missed opportunities, etc., but some work has been done to supply us with interesting facts, and there it is up to everyone to think about it! As for me, so to discuss what we couldn’t, we wouldn’t be able to save and develop what we have, but there are many, and it’s not very good! Recently, the film was watched about Sakhalin, what and how it was under the Japanese, and these are still striving for harmony enterprises that are still working, and now there’s complete devastation! The conclusion was made by the author himself - it’s a shame for the Japanese to do something bad ... I wish we could ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 January 2014 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: Standby
      Put the author +! There are many disadvantages, of course it’s unpleasant to think about missed opportunities, etc., but some work has been done to supply us with interesting facts, and there it is up to everyone to think about it! As for me, so to discuss what we couldn’t, we wouldn’t be able to save and develop what we have, but there are many, and it’s not very good! Recently, the film was watched about Sakhalin, what and how it was under the Japanese, and these are still striving for harmony enterprises that are still working, and now there’s complete devastation! The conclusion was made by the author himself - it’s a shame for the Japanese to do something bad ... I wish we could ...



      On Sakhalin, much was done by Korean slaves, who were brought there by Yap in the beginning of the 20th century, because the Yaps built there really are all of high quality. Today Sakhalin is a subsidized region, but there is progress, and I hope the authorities will finally work closely on Dal.Vostok and possibly with the help of the Japanese. As you already know, there are joint plans for agriculture in Dal.Vostok, and this is much better than Chinese greenhouses with chymose.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 January 2014 13: 18
    0
    The article is very interesting and informative. Colonies are certainly a good thing, although judging by the history of Russia, when acquiring them, it practically did not strive. But it lost a lot of its own, - thank God, at least what is left now. This must be preserved! there is no state ruler, no national idea, where are we going? statesmen have not yet replaced "effective managers", that is where the main trouble lies.
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 January 2014 13: 28
      +5
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      The statesmen have not yet replaced "effective managers", that is where the main trouble lies.

      Managers must be effective.
      But the statesmen are also different, there are native people who rely on their people, such as Ivan the Terrible and Stalin, and there are Westerners who rely on Western help such as Peter 1, Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
      Under native people, the country rises and develops even in difficult conditions, under Westerners in the most favorable conditions, the country is poor, and the people perish.
      Without foreigners, we are able to raise our country.
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 13: 27
    -1
    The article is definitely a minus. And not only in terms of ideology, for example, from the author:
    5. Western Armenia

    Western Armenia could have moved away from Turkey to Russia if it had not lost the First World War.


    The transfer of the conquered Armenian lands to the government of Mustafa Kemal is the merit of the Bolsheviks.
    http://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2012-07/3164.html
    "on the geographical (first of all, logistic) inferiority of Armenia, caused by the terms of the Moscow Treaty of March 16, 1921, the Kars Treaty of October 13, 1921, and their wider fixation by the Lausanne Peace of July 24, 1923. As a result of these agreements, Armenia lost its historical territories in Western and part of Eastern Armenia, has no access to the sea, is in a transport blockade by the same Turkey and its strategic ally Azerbaijan. "
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 13: 33
    +4
    Quote: In 1991, the USSR collapsed, in the same vein goes the modern Russian Federation.

    Why are you a respected author so pessimistic? I would like to know which country you are a citizen of? It is impossible to write about Russia like that. You can answer by law, which criminalizes the propaganda of separatism.
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 11 January 2014 13: 58
    +1
    And I am proud that my country has never had colonies. It's kind of honest. Although the Navy in different parts of the world did not interfere. And here we have given Kamran ...
  • Lukich
    Lukich 11 January 2014 14: 03
    +2
    ... if grandmother had a beard - she would be a grandfather ...

    this is the first.

    and the second:

    Russian tsars knew what Russia did from the Baltic to Chukotka better than England without India. (although Madagascar, nevertheless, had to be picked up!)
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 14: 21
    +2
    Quote: ochakow703
    And I am proud that my country has never had colonies. It's kind of honest. Although the Navy in different parts of the world did not interfere. And here we have given Kamran ...

    Why Russia is hated in the financial circles of the world elite .. ??? For the fact that Russia unites peoples not for money and loans .. Yes, we are at war .. (but we are trying to build something .. for free ..) We are like a bone in their throat .. (our "colonies" lived and live better than we yourself ..) .. The idea we have is this .. A soul for plowing .. (and whoever tries to impose on us other ideas, we usually tear a hot water bottle like a tuzik ..) The point is that we are a creative and social nation .. (we do not like hot dogs with cola in front of a TV set with a TV series .. and advertising ..)))) That's what he said so .. my soul hurts and my heart asks .. (this is serious if that ..)
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 January 2014 14: 43
    +1
    The author is so clinical that there is even no point in commenting on something, except perhaps the straits into which Russia has been hammering for centuries, only one trouble was not allowed.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 11 January 2014 18: 32
    0
    All words of the author are reduced to _
    Quote: Andrey Zelev
    Conclusion - the idiocy and indifference of the authorities determines that despite the fact that we were in ... the first, the owners there in the future will be Americans, Chinese, Europeans, Japanese, but not us.

    In Russia they spoke of such _ Verol!
  • Altona
    Altona 11 January 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Russia did not have colonies ... And an article from the field of alternative history ... We had outskirts that we settled in ... Now we have more territories that the low population does not allow us ...
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 January 2014 22: 15
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Russia did not have colonies ... And an article from the field of alternative history ... We had outskirts that we settled in ... Now we have more territories that the low population does not allow us ...

      Russia had no one to colonize; the population density beyond the Urals was extremely low.
      For example: in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug on the territory of 500 000 km. sq. only 30 000 Khanty and Mansiys live in Yakutia at 3 000 000 km. sq. 500 000 Yakuts and Evenks, in Chukotka at 700 000 km. sq. about 13 000 Chukchi and Eskimos.
      Before the advent of the Russians, all these small nations were actively dying, there were even fewer of them.
      All territories more or less suitable for life have long been inhabited and settled, not inhabited and not inhabited by 3 / 4 territories occupied by permafrost, on which even the forest does not grow.
  • galser
    galser 11 January 2014 20: 16
    0
    Quote: ctepx
    Quote: monolit55
    Empire is gone.

    Well, Empire, suppose, there is still)).
    And, apparently, it has a chance of further development, including and due to other pre-empires.
    The article, of course, was written in a liberal-provocative style, apparently, the author used the prepared data when writing)). Repeatedly mentioned the loss (!?) Russia of the First World War. Following the logic of the author (or rather the style of presentation of the material by him) World War II - we also lost.
    But the last message - regret about squandering territories - is useful, slightly)).

    This EMPIRE was given to you, it is necessary to build a strong state.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 11 January 2014 22: 27
    0
    That’s what, that, and you can’t sell, give, give, alienate, etc., etc. territories. never and under no circumstances. The proof of this is Alaska and Crimea.
  • Trinity
    Trinity 12 January 2014 00: 36
    0
    The author writes about the idiotic act of the Russian rulers. That there is a lot of gas and oil. But how could the Emperor at that time know about large deposits of gas and oil? Who told him that? Even if they had said, then there would have been no sense in it anyway. Well, the GOVERNOR didn’t know that in a hundred years internal combustion engines powered by petroleum products would appear, and gas would be used in industry, home heating and for other needs. Transport was then horse-drawn, houses were heated with wood, the fleet sailed on coal and partly sailed. How can one judge from the 21st century, about that time? All governments act on the current SITUATION of the time in which they lived and live. If then gas and oil were used as they are now used, then I am sure that ALEXANDER horseradish would sell Alaska to the Yankees and brother Konstantin would put a cookie to his nose, and not consent to the sale.
  • Mars President
    Mars President 13 January 2014 02: 39
    0
    Despite this, Russia (and the USSR) do not even try to extend their sovereignty to parts of the solar system.

    This information is not true. drinks
    http://f5.ru/president-of-mars