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United Russian world


Ignoring the interests of the Russian people, ousting the Russian question from the public sphere led to skyrocketing marginalized and aggressive displays, said the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill at the XVII World Russian People's Council.



“In a sense, Russia is a synonym for Russia. Today we have a different geopolitical reality, when in the vastness of this historical Independent states arose in Russia, many of which are also heirs to this historical Russia. Therefore, when I talk about Russia, I always mean this great civilization space, ”the patriarch explained.

In his speech, published on the official website of the Moscow Patriarchate, he stressed that Russia can offer the world the experience of building fair and peaceful interethnic relations, since "there were no peoples-masters and slaves-peoples in Russia".

In his opinion, in the modern world, the “model of the organization of society” prevails, based on “a system of permanent confrontation, competition and struggle, supposedly inevitable and necessary for progress”.

“Our ideal, on the contrary, is a solidarity society, a society of social symphony,” Kirill said, adding that people of different opinions and beliefs do not always understand social values ​​in the same way.



Perhaps such a clear emphasis on the positive role of the Russian community in the broadest sense of the word, sounded at such a representative forum for the first time in all recent years. Surprisingly, the people of Russia and the entire post-Soviet space have already been accustomed to the fact that the word “Russian” is almost an abusive, politically incorrect ... They say that the mention of Russian is undisguised chauvinism, a sight for imperial ambitions.

The World Russian People’s Cathedral emphasizes that at the very moment when the fact of the Russian world’s creativity began to be disputed (by the way, not without the help of foreign political technologists), endless interethnic and interfaith regional disputes began to appear. Today, these conflicts are approaching their climax, often expressed in bloody dramas. And to continue to stratify further - what our “partners” only applaud, for whom the greater the separation, the less the “specific princedom”, and the higher the level of tension between the “specific princes” of the big Russian world, the better ... Is it for our state there was no such lesson in history?

It remains to rely on the fact that the words of the Patriarch are not a momentary emotional outburst after certain events, but still the beginning of a long journey aimed at restoring the bewildered Russian world. Well, I want to believe so much ...

Comments from our readers:

D1m1drol:
The correct words of the patriarch says. A sense ...


ZU-23:
Well, let him at least say, the thought is material. Maybe, God forbid, all good things come true.


EwgenyZ:
The sense will be only if they themselves begin to change: Save yourself, and thousands will be saved around you (Seraphim of Sarov). For now only we listen and we do not do.


Morporg:
It is necessary that the constitution be included that the Russian people is state-forming.


Reserve regiment

The Government of the Russian Federation has adopted Resolution No. XXUMX, which determines the frequency of calling reservists for training fees. In the document, they are referred to as training sessions necessary to maintain the appropriate army skills with reservists.

Results of the week. "And if we do not wipe at our William, Shakespeare ?!"


Let us clarify that this is not about all citizens in the reserve, but only about people who voluntarily joined the professional mobilization reserve. The law on its creation entered into force 1 January this year.

The commentary posted on the cabinet’s website says: “At present, normative legal acts do not allow reservists to participate in training sessions on combat training plans of units (military units) in order to prepare them for practical actions as part of regular military units. positions for which reservists are intended for military service in wartime.
Changes approved by the decree will allow to call on reservists for monthly training sessions to maintain the required level of their individual skills. "



It is noteworthy that both joining the ranks of the so-called professional mobile reserve and the subsequent calls to military training (as they are called in the Ministry of Defense) were going to be held solely on a voluntary basis. It turned out that volunteers are not as many as we would like. In order for their number to grow, they decided to interest materially - as much as possible with the funding specified in the documents. It turned out that if you try to recruit 5 thousands of reservists a year, then the Ministry of Defense is ready to add each of the officers' representatives to his salary (at the main place of work) 8 thousand rubles, and soldiers with sergeants - about 5 thousand rubles. If you increase the volume of the mobile reserve to the thousands of "bayonets" announced at the beginning of the 20-30, then the surcharges will look, as if softer to put it, quite unattractive. You can, of course, follow the “voluntary-compulsory” line, but, as the hero of one film said, this is not our method! ..

By the way, the age limit for a reservist soldier - 42 of the year, a junior officer - 47 years, a senior officer - 57 years is defined. As they say, not everything, but we will have time.

Comments from our readers:

Andrey Yuryevich:
I went to the “training camp” twice, just put my liver down, booze every day, refused to go for the third time - it took a ride, and now I would agree, but already for 50 ...


Egor-dis:
The path begins with the first step. The first step has been taken. And then - solving problems as they come. So, something good, and not far from the Swiss version.


ZU-23:
I begin to think about joining a professional mobilization reserve.


Catastrophe "Alligator"

Emergency in the metropolitan area Zhulebino: on Tuesday afternoon, a Ka-52 combat helicopter, better known as the Alligator, crashed there. It all happened near the landfill of the Kamov aircraft factory - on the field next to residential buildings. According to preliminary data, the helicopter flew from the Chkalovsky military airfield to the site in Lyubertsy. Experimental car passed flight tests.



Immediately after the fall, two powerful explosions thundered, one of which bystanders took video. Most likely, the fuel tanks rushed, as there was no ammunition on board. There was a strong fire, thick black smoke clouded the nearest houses. Both pilots survived. According to some data, they managed to eject, according to others - until the last time they tried to take the car away from residential buildings and left the helicopter only on the ground. With numerous injuries, both pilots were hospitalized in 36 city hospital.



The onboard integrated Ka-52 helicopter registrar was delivered to the MAC laboratory, the decoded data from which should shed light on the causes of this catastrophe. While the working group reports that both pilots did not eject, they left the fallen helicopter already on the ground, after taking Ka-52 to a safe distance from residential buildings (to the nearest high-rise building from the crash site, only about 100 m). At the moment, one of the helicopter pilots Vladimir Yurtaev is in serious condition; nothing else threatens the life of the other pilot - at least, the doctors at 36 Hospital say so.

Pilot Yuri Timofeev said that the disaster occurred, quote: "because of some kind of defect," which did not allow to maintain control over the helicopter at the final stage of the flight.

Comments from our readers:

Bashkaus:
On the one hand they talk about the crash and the ejection, on the other hand, about a hard landing. I think everyone understands the difference. One thing can be said with certainty: the “Star” has worked on 100%.
1-For the first time used a new helicopter escape system, previously used only on mannequins. 2-If there was still a hard landing, it means that the shock-absorbing chairs made on the same "Star" fulfilled their function.
According to the photos, the blades seem to be in place, which means there was no ejection, although there are no lower blades, maybe there is a synchronizer there, but I do not really believe in that. On the other hand, the lanterns are broken down along the line of the pyro-tape, which indicates abandoning the cabin by means of ejection.
Right, I do not know what to think.


Wedmak:
Could pyrolent not work from a fire? The hatches of the cabin are open and it seems that it is normal. It looks like a hard landing. In any case, the fact that the pilots are alive after such a fall is a big plus for the Star and the designers of the helicopter.


Alex tv:
Around one house ... And they managed to put the car aside ... It is easy to say, hard to do. Flint, not people.


Why is Germany interested in the Chechen language?

The Federal Constitution Protection Service, which performs the functions of internal intelligence, has announced the recruitment of officers with knowledge of the Chechen language. The corresponding vacancy is posted on the website of the special service. The main requirement for applicants is knowledge of the Russian language, and proficiency in Chechen is desirable and can increase salary. The tasks of the new employees will include the collection and analysis of information about extremists and potential terrorists in the territory of Germany. In an interview with Deutsche Welle, the secret service representative explained that the department constantly recruits people with knowledge of various languages, so there is nothing unique in a vacancy demanding Chechen.





No wonder Of course, nothing ... After all, now the North Caucasian lezginka, along with shooting weddings, is a specific attribute not only of the North Caucasus Federal District or Moscow, but also of ... large German cities. In the past 2013 period alone, the Federal Migration Service recorded about 15 thousands of Russian citizens entering the country, of whom, according to the same service, over 13,5 thousands came from the North Caucasus republics (mainly from the Czech Republic). Apparently, the German intelligence services believe that it is unlikely to succeed in defending the constitution with the use of the German language in communicating with such guests ... and therefore they are switching to the “Nokhchyn motte” ...

Comments from our readers:

A52333:
The woman was not in trouble, the woman bought a pig.


Morporg:
Apparently the mantra about rebels and innocent refugees no longer rolls.


Strashila:
It is more correct to say: Chechen militants are accepted with knowledge of German.


Reach Miami by hand

Two supersonic strategic bomber Tu-160s arrived at the Managua airfield in Nicaragua, the RF Ministry of Defense Press and Information Department reported on Thursday. The flight was carried out in accordance with the plan of combat training aviation Russian Air Force. On Monday, it was reported that two Russian strategic missile carriers Tu-160, raised from an air base near Engels, landed in Venezuela. It was from the local Mayketia aerodrome that they rose to fly to Nicaragua. Planned landing was performed at the Managua airport.



"The flight took place over the neutral waters of the Caribbean, after which the planes entered the airspace of the Republic of Nicaragua and carried out a planned landing," - said in a statement.



Assuming that there are readers in the Military Review who did not have excellent geography marks at school, it is worth noting: the distance from the Nicaraguan capital to, for example, the American resort of Miami is slightly more than 1,5 thousand km. This is almost as much as from Moscow to Sochi. In this regard, one can imagine how uncomfortably our long-time “partners” from the United States felt. It has long been so close to the American borders, the freest borders in the world, that the airborne rocket carriers of the “partner” state did not fly by. Apparently, in Washington, they began to guess that the reboot went along a non-standard trajectory ...

Comments from our readers:

INTER:
Another would be to visit Cuba and fly around the neighborhood))))


Hudo:
More would please news that Russian strategic bombers successfully bombed the hotbeds of terrorism - Doha and Riyadh. Nothing, wait.


Jogan-64:
Great news! It has long been time to fly over America in the framework of the doctrine of friendship between peoples and the fight against terrorism ...


Understand. I'm sorry ...

540 thousand rubles per second advertising video dedicated to the so-called innogradu Russia - "Skolkovo". 540 thousand rubles! And the total amount spent on three clips with a total duration of 1 minute 40 seconds, amounted to 54 million rubles. This is the most expensive advertisement in modern Russian history. The average price of a minute of advertising time even for the largest global companies rarely exceeds 100 thousand dollars (about 3,3 million rubles). In other words, in less than a two-minute advertisement in Skolkovo about 50 millions were stolen! This is the scale! Here is this corrupt "horsepower"!





Such information turned out to be publicly available after the Prosecutor General’s Office’s report on checking the work of Skolkovo. The total amount of misuse of funds pulls more than 120 billion rubles. Everything is here: both affiliated companies, and not giving a damn about decisions of relevant departments, and the lack of documents on the right to manage property and transfer funds to companies that have not entered into any agreements with Skolkovo. Full corruption set.

There is a set, but the reaction so far, to put it mildly, is restrained. The vice presidents were reprimanded, they declared that they should be reimbursed. And that's it! ..

Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich said that the information that came from the Prosecutor General’s Office was not new. According to him, two months ago it was known about violations. And now in "Skolkovo" "already correct violations."

An interesting movie ... They fix it ... For three years, the money was scrolled through affiliated desks, and now they decided to fix it. Well, just the situation in the style of "We will no longer do ...". "Understand. Forgive "? ..

Comments from our readers:

Starfish:
And the schemes are all old.

"And they also found affiliated companies that, under the auspices of Skolkovo, obtained the right to preferential taxation, while at the same time doing their business exclusively"

Such as early as the beginning of 90-x used. Even here, the nanoprocess is not committed. No "scientific" discoveries - only the banal theft in especially large.


The same Lech:
SKOLKOVO Mdaa - Serdyukov, it seems, here with his women's battalion he nervously smokes aside (and the scope, speed, and scale of manipulations with our budget are impressive).


Savva30:
I can guess ... Comrade Viktor Vekselberg, no matter what to do ... They steal subordinates ... Classic !!!


Big check

On October 30, 2013, under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, a sudden check of the combat readiness and exercises of the forces of nuclear deterrence, aerospace defense was conducted, fleet and Long-Range Aviation. According to the Office of the Press Service and Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, during the training, the control system of the Armed Forces, the reliability of passing training orders and signals from the Central Command Post of the RF Armed Forces to command posts of formations and military units included in the country's nuclear shield, as well as the functioning aerospace defense systems of Russia.



Strategic bombers, submarine missile carriers of the Pacific and Northern fleets, strategic mobile and stationary missile systems, forces and facilities that solve the tasks of aerospace defense were involved in the training.



During the verification of combat readiness, sea-based ballistic missiles were launched from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Barents Seas, missiles were launched from Iskander and Tochka-U systems; of a conditional enemy, the Topol ICBM was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, and the Voevoda ICBM from the Orenburg special area Dombarovsky. The targets were successfully hit, and, which is particularly gratifying, emergency situations were avoided.

Hyperliberal masses, of course, began to seethe. We got a barrel organ with inscriptions in different languages ​​“Putin’s militarism is going on” and howling the old song that, they say, “Russia has no enemies at all” and the “For some reason” SNF is ... Well, if they howled, everything is done correctly - now we have hyperliberals as a political barometer ...

Comments from our readers:

Sapper:
Long time no such large-scale exercises. I do not remember this in my memory. I read in the 1983 year, there were mass launches of ICBMs (I was 12 years old), but 1991 operation "Behemoth-2". Only then there was no anti-missile training.


Rusbat:
A very up-to-date check, especially in the light of recent events involving Israel.


Israeli strike

The representative of the White House confirmed to CNN that the Israeli Air Force fighters struck the 31 of October on the base of the Syrian government forces, located near Lattakia, reports correspondent ITAR-TASS Andrey Bekrenev.



The purpose of the air strike, according to a representative of the American administration, was a warehouse with missiles and other military equipment. Israelis feared that this equipment could be transferred to Hezbollah.

Earlier, we add, President Assad promised to give an answer to such attacks. However, this is not the time for such a reaction: first, Syria is cooperating with the OPCW; secondly, in November a peace conference can be held to resolve the conflict. In such circumstances, Syria has its hands tied: additional conflict with Israel is contraindicated.



Comments from our readers:

Hon
The “soap” says that Russian-made air defense systems were destroyed there. Syria would not transmit such systems now, since it can be useful to itself.


Alexander Romanov
Yes, it is clear that they would not. Just nothing new to justify aggression can not come up.


alone
The blow struck from the territory of Lebanon. The only thing the air defense forces could do was simply to watch the planes. But the strange thing is that the Lebanese sky is like a courtyard. And where is the notorious Hezbollah? That they are the type so going to destroy Israel?
Sheikh Nasrallah, of course, an odious person. But as they say, sitting in a bunker doesn’t mean that you rule the country))


Divorce and maiden name

If Qatar continues to follow the United States and even gathered, according to proven rumors, to move from war to friendship with Syria, against which the White House just decided not to use Tomahawk, Saudi Arabia does not share its enthusiasm with its neighbor and competitor. Moreover, disappointed Riyadh decided to disperse from the United States altogether. The list of reasons for geopolitical chilling is vast and will be longer than the list of the differences between characters that divorcing spouses expose to each other.



A few days ago, Prince Bandar bin Sultan announced the withdrawal of Saudi Arabia from the orbit of Washington. According to Reuters, while talking to a certain European diplomat, the prince, who works as the chief of the intelligence service, hinted at the disappointment of his homeland with the policy of the United States.

It was about Syria. It turned out that the United States is not a state that could cope with the crisis in Syria.

The prince scout does not like the fact that the White House indulges Tehran. (By the way, in the light of Obama’s stalling of the next portion of sanctions against Iran, Bin Sultan’s statement turned out to be even prophetic. And by the way: Iran is Saudi Arabia’s raw material rival.)

Finally, Mr. Scout remembered the old: in 2011, the United States did not support the suppression of the anti-government uprising in Bahrain — they did not act in the same team as the Saudis.

The Saudis demarche was relatively calm in Washington.

As the correspondent reported ITAR-TASS Yulia Romanova, the statement of Prince Bandar bin Sultan will not change the "foundations of relations" between the kingdom and the United States. This was announced at a press briefing for journalists by the deputy head of the US State Department press service Marie Harf.

Moreover, the US Foreign Office "did not receive such a message" from Riyadh, said the State Department spokeswoman. She added: “We are cooperating in solving many difficult tasks, and I would say that we are pursuing the same goals, whether we are talking about ending the civil war in Syria, returning the democratic government in Egypt or preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapons. The basis of our relations and cooperation with Saudi Arabia is solid. ”

If you look into the past, the friendship of the Americans with the Saudis is really “strong”: after all, it is sealed with petrodollars. And just this year, this strong strategic "friendship" marks 40 years. Anniversary, however!

In 1973, the United States, in order to support global demand for its currency, actually created petrodollars. Between the USA and Saudi Arabia a deal was madeAccording to which every barrel of oil purchased from Saudi Arabia was nominated in US dollars. Moreover, according to the new rules, any country that would like to buy oil from Saudi Arabia, had to first exchange the national currency for US dollars.

In exchange for Saudi Arabia’s readiness to supply its oil exclusively for dollars, the United States offered it weapons and protection.

And by the year 1975 all the OPEC countries decided to estimate their own oil reserves exclusively in US dollars - and also in exchange for arms and military protection.

Thus arose the global petrodollar system, which quickly created artificial demand for the American currency throughout the world.

Austrian economist Jerry Robinson believes that the separation of 15 in August 1971 by President Richard Nixon August XNUMX was made just to get the opportunity to print and throw as many dollars into the world economy as America — with its unbridled consumption and unwillingness to save — need to.

From here, let us return to the words of Marie Harf, and a strong friendship: “The basis of our relations and cooperation with Saudi Arabia is strong.”

Speaking with a diplomat, Prince Bin Sultan, according to Reuters, stated that his state very soon "will significantly change the foreign policy course" and will reconsider relations with the United States. The prince’s message was that from now on Riyadh did not want to spin like a weather vane under the American wind.

Prince Bandar, however, was late with the demarche. Qatar managed to dress up in the clothes of a peacemaker, Washington always insured itself with gosdepovskimi statements about the heterogeneity of the Syrian opposition and that he has no clear idea about the opposition, but has only an idea of ​​democracy, but Riyadh (like Ankara), not hesitating, armed and financed militants fighting against the Assad government, and is now doing the same. Saudi Arabia was in the role of extreme. Number one terrorist-Wahhabi is about to be pointed. According to weather forecasters, the Arab Spring is expected in Riyadh ...



Comments from our readers:

Revolver
The Saud have not yet brought the matter to the extreme, after which America can decide to democratize with the use of "axes" and other assistant "democratizers". From a military point of view, democratizing Saudis is a bit of a fig. They are the same warriors as Obama is the Pope. But the garbage is that at the moment when hostilities do not even begin, and only to traders seem possible, the price of oil will soar above the roof, and, accordingly, the economies of almost the whole world will be drained into the toilet. America actually imports little oil from the BV, more and more from Latin America, and even a huge strategic reserve that can be thrown into the market if the need forces it. But Europe, India, China and Japan will collapse, and the US economy is too tied to these countries to survive this painlessly. Does America need it?


avt
And how! Especially in relation to the main creditor of China. Immediately solved a lot of problems. For whom we must - we forgive.


Revolver
Can not overwhelm one China. Europe and Japan, too, will collapse and pull America along. Yes, and China ... Do you know how much it buys from America and heavy equipment, and electronics (not household, and how much more serious), and especially - agricultural products? From the loss of the Chinese market, many companies in America will sneeze, the same "Boeing", "GE", "Caterpillar", "Monsanto", "Conagra" and many smaller companies and farmers. I do not think that Russia will be able and, most importantly, will want to buy what is now going to China, although in the case of oil reaching somewhere around $ 200-300 for a barrel, Russia will be swimming in money.

So Saud democratized will be only if it really presses.


Botanologist
The issue of oil prices is solved by lifting the embargo from Iran. Jumping, of course, but within reason.
The matter is different: why does America need to democratize the Saudis at all? They remove the embargo from Iran, reduce the price of oil, thereby releasing the reins of all neighbors who are not averse to pinching their beards from the Saudi royal family. And very soon all these proud princes will understand that you need to answer for the market.
But here is the question: why mess with the Saudis? Surely, after these demarches, special envoys and the king personally, who successfully fell the day before yesterday into a coma, explained in detail to the Americans the beauty of their new PR strategy and gave a million oaths of loyalty and friendship to the grave. Along the way, and something serious as a gift. For believing everything they say is not respecting yourself.


Yes, we scan

The US military industrialists are unhappy with Barack Obama - Syria, you know, did not otdemokratizirovat "Tomahawks", and the Iranian underground objects are not bombed expensive anti-bunker bombs - but they have to blame themselves. It was necessary to make a financial bet not on the Republicans, but on the Democrats. McCain, of course, defends the interests of the military-industrial complex in Congress, but somehow it’s too clumsy: playing poker at meetings, then taking pictures of bearded kidnappers, declaring them champions of democracy. Those who financed the Obama election campaign are quite happy with life and business.



John McCain has always supported the idea of ​​a military strike against Syria. Flightless zones, missiles, financing and arming the "opposition" - in short, the full Libyan program. Resource fbii.org With reference to the “Daily Mail” kindly reminds that of the ten senators who supported the “shock” resolution on Syria, from military-industrial corporations to the election campaigns of the 2007 and 2012. McCain received the most money - 176300 $.

If this Republican prefers America to invest in the military-industrial complex, then Democrat Obama seeks to develop high technologies. “Google”, “Microsoft”, “Apple”, “Facebook” and others - they all owe something to B.H. Obama. Although B.H. Obama himself owes them something.

The other day on Finmarket An article has been published about IT giants who help the White House in exchange for helping the White House to them. The material contains data from the Roosevelt Institute, namely, a statistical analysis of the financing of the presidential campaign 2012 of the year, made using the latest information from the Federal Election Commission and the Internal Revenue Service.

It turned out that if big business as a whole is suspicious of President Obama, then its separate modern segment (telecommunications, high technologies, computers and software), on the contrary, is ready for Obama to cherish and nurture.

The researchers calculated the percentage of companies that spoke for each candidate in the 2012 election of the year, and determined the percentage of money allocated by firms to support candidates.

The breakdown of support by industry showed amazing results. Obama’s support in the sectors listed above was much higher than support among American businesses in general. Candidate Mitt Romney was supported by companies from these sectors much less often.

Well, and practical results: many Obama supporters were waiting for a change in the course of national security policy, but the opposite happened: the secret citizen monitoring programs were expanded.

Summary: the political system is dominated by those companies that wish to sell information to the government that wants to buy them.

Wants? Rather, add on my own, sell to the government, which accounts buy this information - regardless of whether it can process and use it. Political marketing is something special and completely dispenses with market demand: here, future heads of state make offers that they cannot refuse. An analogy caught? .. Well, here. IT companies are the mafia of the 21st century. Octopus.

There is one more thing to add. In the age of cellular communication, blogs, social networks and e-mail, large corporations appeared, possessing a huge resource - information. At some point, the temptation to sell it becomes very high. In addition to information, companies also have suitable technologies for tracking and transmitting data - the development of which, by the way, is paid for by the federal budget, since the data goes to the NSA, the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

Elections, inauguration, Obama on the throne, the deal took place. Through the words of Jay Carney (White House spokesman), the president quietly issues another statement about total surveillance and wiretapping: they say the US authorities do not rule out restricting intelligence gathering. Meanwhile, NSA Director Keith Alexander blames Snowden before Congress, declaring the actions of the whistleblower unconstitutional and threatening to ruin US national security.

That's how it turned! Facebook and Microsoft are now responsible for national security. That way America will go far. The common people there will not notice how the presidential candidate will be not Hillary Clinton, but Mark Zuckerberg.

As for McCain, this hapless senator, rushing into Syria (rumored to Iran, to help Israel), is just a fragment of the past. While he is deciding the fate of Syria in Congress, playing poker on an iPhone, the NSA calls the journalists in the hall so that they do not miss the moment and take pictures of the gambler - for history ...



Comments from our readers:

Joker
I personally like Obama. Say what you like, but he rests with might and main and the next does not want to unleash war, but he is being crushed slowly from all sides.


makarov
I do not even doubt that the US government structures are shareholders of “Google” and other similar resources, and maybe even the initiators of their creation.


cdrt
1. What for?
2. The main shareholders of Google seem to be known (they would have bothered to get into the reports of Google - all the major ones are listed there).
3. "Google" was created virtually "in the garage." No one knew that he could create a market for himself and grow hundreds of thousands of times. By the way, there were also search engines before him - just Bryn and his comrades thought up how to earn money from it.
4. Google's search algorithms and the algorithms needed by government structures seem to be radically different.


22 Amendment

According to the 22 th amendment to the US Constitution, one person can hold the post of American president for no more than two terms. The amendment was accepted because Franklin D. Roosevelt ruled the United States for four terms: in 1940, he was elected for a third term, in 1944, for the fourth term. After the end of World War II, American democracy in the face of Congress imposed a two-term limit, fearing a possible dictatorship: some future tyrant could take advantage of Roosevelt's precedent. The 22 amendment was approved in 1947 and ratified in 1951.



As the historical perspective showed, the amendment made sense. In 2008, in the United States, he was elected President Barack Obama — the man in whom the gloomy predictions of George Orwell began to come true in the country (see the novel 1984, which depicts a totalitarian American future with Big Brother, watching screens in cramped apartments and the Department of Truth ). In 2013, Barack Hussein really thought about the third presidential term and, according to rumors, has already spoken on this topic with a knowledgeable lawyer - the US Attorney General.

Stephen Wallace in "National Report" writes that Barack Obama is likely to consider what was once unthinkable: go for a third presidential term. At the same time, the journalist reports that recent polls have shown: an increasing number of Americans support this idea. Others either did not make a choice, or do not mind.

Referring to documents allegedly placed at the disposal of the National Report (including private electronic correspondence between Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder), the journalist points to some “specific”, even if “speculative”, questions from Obama seeking advice in regarding a circumvention of the 22 amendment or such editing of the US Constitution that could pave the way for the next legal re-election.

Where did the web portal on which the so-called “citizen journalists” work, the correspondence of Obama and Holder? It turns out that there is a certain anonymous source, prescribed in the office of the American Attorney General. He kindly agreed to talk to a journalist.

The mysterious stranger noted that today the Constitution prohibits being elected for a third term, however, as every American knows, the Constitution is a living document. If necessary, it can be changed as the people see fit. The very fact of that, the anonymous said further, that there were already 27 amendments, shows that the idea of ​​Obama’s third term - even if it would require overcoming what seems insurmountable - is quite realizable.

What need can lead to constitutional changes?

According to the source, preventing the attempts of the extreme-right Republicans to seize control over the executive branch is in the interests of all Americans. These are exactly what the administration of Barack Obama can declare a threat to democracy. And the threat will require "emergency measures."

The Attorney General in his responses informs the president that the states should ratify the amendment to 3 / 4, and indeed, 26 of them are controlled by Republicans.

Obama, on the other hand, is oppressing his line, relying on extraordinary powers and unforeseen circumstances.

Responding to the Prosecutor General, he asks for a list of "unforeseen" circumstances that would give the president extraordinary powers - say, in wartime. He also asks a question about the restrictions of rights when declaring martial law by the president.

Conspiracy therapists, add on my own, will find here plentiful food for thought. Stories with hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins, FEMA camps, a huge amount of ammunition, which are officially purchased by the US Department of Homeland Security along with bulletproof and fireproof checkpoints and special equipment, total surveillance and interception of the NSA, pressure from the Obama administration on opposition journalists, extension of the “Patriotic Act” "And the introduction in 2011 of the Year of the" Authorizing Act on National Defense ", which transferred the so-called anti-state affairs into the able hands of army representatives or the special services and to remove the legal procedure from the cases, - all this “seems to hint” that the ironic comment of Comrade Wallace did not appear from scratch.

As for the threats to which we will have to respond with emergency measures, there is no need to go far for an example: quite recently the federal government turned off for sixteen days. And Republicans from Congress were to blame for this, including, among other things, the Obama health insurance program (nicknamed “Obamacare”).

And one more thing to add.

Barack Obama does not want to concede in anything to one of his main political competitors on the planet, Vladimir Putin. If the first one likes to make pompous speeches in public, hiding in a bulletproof booth, the second one takes articles in the New York Times. Obama declares American exclusivity, and Putin makes this exclusivity a matter of timely criticism. Obama brews beer, and Putin catches pike. The American president advocates for homosexual rights, and his Russian rival does not approve of same-sex love. The Syrian crisis hurt the reputation of the aggressive owner of the White House, and the Kremlin strategist became famous as a 21st century peacemaker. Barak Hussein rules his second term in his state, and Vladimir Vladimirovich is already the third ...



Comments from our readers:

Canep
And let them cancel the 22 amendment and reelect Barak Huseynovich, then not only Orwell's predictions will come true, but also Vanga. And the monopoly on democracy will collapse, it is supported by less than 40% of voters.


Igor39
I am for! Obama, finish off the USA! This will be the Negro revenge.


Boris55
Do you want to ruin the case - often change managers.
The idiotic system of limiting the tenure of the head in his post is beneficial to anyone, but not to the people.
1. If a manager copes with his duties, and people's life improves from year to year - why change for whom it is not known?
2. If a manager does NOT cope with his duties, and the life of the people deteriorates from year to year - why wait for the end of the term?


bolonenkov
The first point is the right one, and the second one needs some work, as it will be a driver of revolutions and other things.


Muadipus
I completely agree!!! So it should be, but with a debugged system of impeachment.


vadson
It is necessary every two years to hold a popular referendum on the impeachment of the entire leadership, then they will work.


Resident of the moon

“The clock in the Führer’s office struck midnight, he turned to the orderly and nodded. After 20 minutes, three came out of the secret tunnel that connected the bunker to the surface, ”according to British historians Gerrade Williams and Simon Dunstan, the operation to evacuate Adolf, his mistress Eva and her son-in-law, Hermann Fegelein from a Berlin bunker, began. Their version, outlined in the book The Gray Wolf: Adolf Hitler's Flight, is recounted in an article for The Daily Mail by writer and historian Guy Walters. "Inopressa".



According to Williams and Dunstan, the Fuhrer and his entourage arrived on Hohenzollerndamm Street. There they waited "Junkers-52" running experienced Luftwaffe pilot Peter Baumgart. Through Denmark and Spain, the company flew to the Canary Islands, and from there it was taken by submarine to Argentina.

Hitler landed approximately 300 miles south of Buenos Aires, near the small port city of Nekochea. He never traveled outside of Argentina. There he learned “family happiness by marrying Eva Brown, who bore him two daughters,” and died on February 13 on the 1962 year, at the age of 73.

Walters gives other available versions of the fate of Hitler, among which are notable the images of the Spanish monk Hitler; an Italian hermit who settled in a cave; shepherd in the swiss alps. According to other rumors, Adolf is hiding somewhere in the Antarctic. Walters admits that some of these versions "were undoubtedly the result of organized disinformation by the Soviets."

Among the versions, by the way, there is one according to which Hitler lives on the Moon.



Comments from our readers:

Alexander Romanov
And what, to Mars was weak to fly?


Hort
By the way, the Antarctic version has the right to exist. Because:
1. Examination of the corpse of Hitler was carried out with a huge number of "muddy" moments, with an expert took a non-disclosure subscription, and all data is classified.
2. There are eyewitness testimonies (I don’t try to judge how reliable they are) that during the storming of Berlin, an order was given for a short-term cease-fire, and in this period of time Opel left the surrounding ring at high speed and headed towards the Swiss border.
3. Even before the war, the Germans were flying around the Antarctic, which they called “New Schwabenland” - New Schwabia.
4. Soviet polar explorers did not have a clue as to what their colleagues from the GDR were doing, although the scientific exchange with others was carried out to one degree or another.
5. The bulk of the international polar stations in Antarctica are located along the perimeter of the “borders” of this very New Swabia (Queen Maud Land).
6. I think everyone heard or read about the incident with the American fleet off the coast of Antarctica, when the fighters were fighting with unknown aircraft, according to the design - with discos. There, even then the American admiral "went crazy", although his testimony was for a long time kept secret by the CIA. So, there is a hypothesis that after that an Allied landing force landed on the coast, but it did not reach a major battle, since the Germans threatened to detonate a nuclear charge (obtained by cold fusion). As a result of the negotiations, an agreement was reached that they would not be touched, and they would not be fouled.
7. According to this hypothesis, Hitler died on his underground / sub-iced base ~ in 57, and the remaining Natsik and their descendants moved to Argentina, since the base ran out of resources.
8. Well, and as a result: Patrushev, when he was the office director (2005 or 2009 a year, if my memory serves me), flew to Antarctica. Why the head of security to fly to the penguins, it is not clear. Considering that Antarctica is an international demilitarized zone with a specific legal regime.
In general, I myself, of course, am skeptical of this version, but it causes curiosity, especially since there are many indirect coincidences :)


Unity revisionists

In the new single textbook of the history of Russia there will be no concept of a separate October revolution. From the “great” and “socialist” it will turn into a continuation of the “Great Russian Revolution”, launched in February 1917, transfers Interfax.



Initially, historians formulated the task of denying the October Revolution recognition of it as “great” and “socialist”. But many citizens came out in favor of somehow keeping mention of it.

“As a result, the textbook speaks of the great Russian revolution, which took place in its development several stages (in parenthesis: including the October Revolution). There is no word either “great” or “socialist,” said Sergei Zhuravlev, a member of the team of the Historical and Cultural Standard, in an interview with Dozhd TV channel.

He stressed that the formulations and personalities included in the concept of a single textbook are the result of public consensus.

The Russian Historical Society has completed work on the concept of a single history textbook and submitted it to President Putin for approval.

Who developed a uniform standard for teaching history in school? Interfax calls the working group headed by Naryshkin, Education Minister Dmitry Livanov and Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky. Based on this concept, new history textbooks for secondary schools will be developed.

By the way, in addition to changing the interpretation of the events of October 1917, the term “Tatar-Mongol yoke” was revised in the textbook. As Interfax notes, this wording will be replaced with an ethnically more neutral one - the “yoke of the Golden Horde”. Replacement adopted under pressure from scientists of Tatarstan.

The saddest thing here is not even this historical tolerance, let us add on our own, but the task initially posed by historians according to the latest definition of the October Revolution. Such a task is at least a manipulation of the public consciousness, and at the most a method of activity of the “Ministry of Truth”. After all, it is well known how society can bend before paper authority and the regalia of scholars. Since they say - not "great" and not "socialist", it means they know. The message is accepted by the masses. And in the end, we have nothing but a modest national desire to leave this or that “mention” ...

Another time, reformers and references are crossed out.

And in the third they will write that Hitler was overpowered by the United States with the help of Russians.

What is not a "mention"?



Comments from our readers:

pensioner
I feel that our story for a long time to feed everyone will be ...


major071
What kind of dolbonosiki we write textbooks. Soon they will write that there was no World War II, but there was a continuation of the First World War, and the Russian-Japanese war of the beginning of the 20 century flowed smoothly into the surrender of Japan in the 1945 year.


SPLV
The review, as always, is sensible.
The most unpleasant news is about a new history textbook. The great French revolution remained so. Where is October? There, where ordered anti-Russian customers. After a short time, I am afraid, in the textbooks at the request of the Tatar “historians” there will appear a “Russian horde” instead of the Russian Empire, then a “Moscow-Kiev branch of the Crimean kaganate”. Since the time of Peter the Great, various foreign interested forces have been trying to belittle us and our history.
If we lose the Great October Revolution, the greatest country of the 20-th century - the USSR will disappear immediately! After this revolution, if someone does not understand, social guarantees in the world appeared, we won the war! After all, the birth of the USSR in terms of significance in history is comparable with the emergence of Christianity: this allowed changing the stereotypes of thinking throughout the world.
PEOPLE NOT KNOWING THEIR HISTORY HAVE NO FUTURE. And once again they want to deprive us of history and, accordingly, the future by order of pseudo-historians. I love my country. But the state is starting to hate.


Great and terrible

The magazine "Forbes" put the Russian president on the first line of his annual list of the most powerful people on the planet, pushing the US president to second place, reports “Russian service“ BBC ”.



“Who is stronger — the powerful head of a rusting, but still daring superpower, or a hand-in-chief commander of the most influential country in the world?” The authors of the list ask themselves, referring to Putin and Obama.

Regarding Putin, the publication notes that he has strengthened control over Russia, and the use of the word "dictator" in relation to him no longer seems strange. But against the background of the recent congressional crisis, Obama is more and more like a “lame duck”.

In the third place on the Forbes list is the President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping, in the fourth place, Pope Francis, and in the fifth, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, notes Bi-Bi-si.

As transmits RIA News", magazine experts could put Vladimir Putin in the first place in the ranking of the most influential people in the world for his role in resolving the Syrian issue. That is what the chief editor of Forbes, Michael Nor, said.

“I cannot say exactly why Putin was the first. This is a collective expert opinion, but I can assume that the decision was made at the height of the budget crisis in the United States, during the shatdaun, when Barack Obama gave up the slack. In addition, the US president was unable to take the initiative when a scandal erupted in the world over the actions of American intelligence, at a time when Vladimir Putin is decisively acting on the international arena. So, this year he played a key role in resolving the Syrian issue. That is why, in my opinion, the experts chose the president of Russia, ”said Nor on the Russia 24 channel.

“In total, we evaluated 150 candidates by four main criteria: first, the financial resources available to the leaders, secondly, we took into account how much the candidates wanted to be in power and how actively they used their influence last year, in which areas it spread, ”the expert added.

We note at the conclusion of the review that this year the experts simply did not have a choice.



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Starfish
This is how it is. And he strengthened the control, and the most powerful. And someone here ranted that they were liberals with DAM at the head and corrupt officials were very powerful, and the guarantor could do nothing with them. And they, reptiles, education and medicine are felled, they will soon be paid in full, science is felled, the army is shaken as they wish for many years. And they steal mercilessly in the army, in Sochi, and throughout the country. Imported migrants in huge quantities. And do not give yourself to plant. Serdyukov and Vasilyeva didn’t care about the lunatic like.
That's it. And no control and power is not enough for them.
Or maybe everything is easier? And he just doesn't want to do anything about it? Maybe everything suits him?


* "And if we do not wipe at William, ours, Shakespeare ?!" - the phrase from the movie "Beware of the car!"
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 November 2013 08: 45
    15
    Forbes Magazine put the Russian president on the first line of his annual list of the most powerful people on the planet, moving the US president to second place
    This is the recognition of Russia as a great power! Good to hell .. but it’s too early to rejoice. Internal problems have accumulated above the roof!
    1. APES
      APES 3 November 2013 09: 24
      55
      It is alarming when TAM begin to somehow elevate and praise our statesmen.

      As one former general of the former KGB said:

      "If they start to shit there, then WE did everything right."
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 40
        10
        There is such a thing ... (West applauded Gorbach ..) Putin hasn’t seen this yet ... (thank God) they quietly hate and clap their teeth .. laughing
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 3 November 2013 10: 25
          12
          "Putin hasn't seen this yet."

          Well, it's you in vain, they praise more and more often. they simply cannot immediately begin to praise with all their might - the people they have are of course brainwashed, but not so much. so that they scolded for so many years, and then immediately began to praise very, very strongly.
          especially praised after the agreement on depriving Syria of chemical weapons. apparently they needed it very much. reason to think.
        2. olviko
          olviko 3 November 2013 11: 48
          +4
          "they quietly hate and clap their teeth .."

          If someone does not digest you, it means that he simply could not eat.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 3 November 2013 11: 00
      +3
      Well, we and the people, we solve external problems almost without problems, but bite among ourselves like dogs. But Obama, by and large, has never earned a place in the top five, except this time he finished second, because it’s good that he did not start bombing Syria, and because of America he always got the first place.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 November 2013 11: 39
      13
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Forbes Magazine put the President of Russia on the first line of his annual list of the most powerful people on the planet This is the recognition of Russia as a great power!


      And for me, this is the opinion of a smelly and corrupt American publication. It is much more important that fellow citizens think of their leader.
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 3 November 2013 17: 13
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      This is the recognition of Russia as a great power!

      Following your logic, if Forbes did not mention the president of Russia, then Russia should not be considered a great power?
    5. kvodrato
      kvodrato 4 November 2013 10: 48
      0
      The history of Russia or how they hid our past
  2. major071
    major071 3 November 2013 08: 49
    10
    Forbes Magazine put the Russian president on the first line of his annual list of the most powerful people on the planet, moving the US president to second place

    Obama nervously smokes aside and is going to a third term.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 3 November 2013 09: 22
      +6
      interesting - he will swear an oath on the bible again in mittens? and will it work the first time? laughing
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 3 November 2013 13: 52
        +1
        Why in the Bible? Maybe in the Talmud?
    2. Migari
      Migari 3 November 2013 10: 02
      +7
      Obama will not pull for a third term:
      The rating of US President Barack Obama fell to a record low, only 42% of Americans currently support his decisions. This is evidenced by the results of a sociological study published on Wednesday, which was jointly conducted by The Wall Street Journal and the NBC television company.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 3 November 2013 10: 27
        +2
        "Obamka will no longer pull for a third term"

        it's a pity, our "friend" laughing
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 3 November 2013 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: Starfish
          "Obamka will no longer pull for a third term"

          it's a pity, our "friend" laughing

          And there will simply be no third term! America will fall apart during new elections! fellow
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 3 November 2013 13: 53
          0
          Yours, say?
    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 3 November 2013 11: 10
      +7
      Yes, it’s better for us Obama than any new fool will come and rise in anti-Russian rhetoric.
    4. Serg 122
      Serg 122 3 November 2013 13: 25
      +1
      Obama nervously smokes aside and is going to a third term.

      Putin's laurels do not give him peace! Putin means for a third term is possible, but Obamik no way ?! laughing
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      2. does it
        does it 3 November 2013 21: 53
        -5
        Quote: Serg 122
        Putin's laurels do not give him peace! Putin means for a third term is possible, but Obamik no way ?!

  3. bodriy
    bodriy 3 November 2013 08: 52
    16
    As a person keen on history, I really can't wait to pick up a single textbook ... I hope the stock of validol at home is enough to read it !!!
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 08: 55
      +8
      I would also like to read .. And I, too, sooooo doubt that the truth will be written there ..
      1. APES
        APES 3 November 2013 09: 30
        +7
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I doubt that the truth will be written there ..


        Unfortunately, I think the vast majority will not care .....

        And for a thinking person:
        most importantly, one should not be afraid of mistakes; one must be afraid to stay in them.
      2. olviko
        olviko 3 November 2013 11: 29
        +5
        As always, there will be something like: "Russian history before Peter the Great - one memorial service, and after Peter the Great - one criminal case."

        F. Tyutchev
      3. V. Salama
        V. Salama 3 November 2013 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And I, too, sooooo doubt ...
        What will be written there and how is stated in
        Anti-Medinsky. DISCLAIMER. How the party in power "rules" history / Sergei Kremlev, Yuri Nersesov, Andrei Burovsky, Vadim Dolgov, Andrei Raev. - M .: Yauza-press, 2012.
      4. Day 11
        Day 11 3 November 2013 13: 57
        0
        That's for sure! I wonder how it will be painted there about the 90s? And 37-38?
      5. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 4 November 2013 20: 15
        +1
        Mikhan, Good evening !!! They will lie, as always !!! They, seizing power, do not get used !!!
        The funny thing is that the people who are still living in our country will again be fools !!!
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 3 November 2013 09: 23
      10
      I think that you won’t get rid of validol ......... I have under this business - the floor of the box of cognac is in stock ........
      1. bodriy
        bodriy 3 November 2013 09: 25
        +5
        So can we arrange a collective reading ?! repeat
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 43
          +1
          A good idea!!! drinks
          1. Guilty
            Guilty 3 November 2013 11: 06
            +4
            And take me !!!!!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 3 November 2013 13: 59
              0
              And I am with you too!
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        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 November 2013 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: bodriy
          So can we arrange a collective reading ?!

          Take the third?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 13: 39
            0
            And I am "For" to participate) drinks
            1. densh
              densh 4 November 2013 14: 39
              0
              The Internet is a booze, original! I, too, share. good
        4. stroporez
          stroporez 3 November 2013 10: 36
          +2
          I think how this scribble will appear. The administration should organize a platform for discussion. and everyone will stock up on "painkillers"
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 3 November 2013 13: 28
            +3
            And I, too, sooooo doubt that the truth will be written there ..

            True, it will be written, only whose? Each one has her own ...
    3. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 13: 37
      +1
      Unfortunately, most likely it’s not enough ((but you need to read, the enemy’s rhetoric must be known!
    4. Genur
      Genur 3 November 2013 14: 02
      +1
      Interestingly, will there be something about Tartaria in the History textbook?

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

      http://energodar.net/nasledie/tartariya.html
      1. Genur
        Genur 3 November 2013 14: 29
        +3
        Moscow, and the city of Petrov, and Konstantinov grad
        - Here are the kingdoms of the Russian treasured capital ...
        But where is the limit to him? and where are its borders
        “North, east, south, and sunset?”
        Coming times, their fate will be exposed ...
        Seven inland seas and seven great rivers ...
        From the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China,
        From the Volga to the Euphrates, from the Ganges to the Danube ...
        Here is the Russian kingdom ... and will not pass away forever,
        Somehow the Spirit saw and Daniel foretold.

        Fedor TYUTCHEV
        November 1848, XNUMX
        Doesn’t say anything ??
    5. densh
      densh 4 November 2013 14: 34
      +1
      And we in Ukraine have already experienced this. Until now I remember when I came across a reprint of a Canadian textbook on the history of Ukraine. Wonderful illustrations, such as a crowd of beast-shaped bearded men, armed with specific axes and a signature: ruin Kyiyiv ( hitoo lazy to write "my"). laughing So, I would also be interested to get acquainted with the new creation of the Russian ITORGS.
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  4. Deniska999
    Deniska999 3 November 2013 08: 53
    13
    So, first things first. It seems to me that the new history textbook will be worse than the previous ones. I watched his project. There is still no refutation of the Norman theory and I, as an amateur historian with experience, are very worried. It is necessary to stop feeding inventions about calling the Scandinavians. I am silent about the October Revolution - and there is a further perversion of Soviet history. About Hitler, by the way, is a very interesting version about the flight from Berlin. Regarding the shelling of Jews by Syria: complete lawlessness.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 09: 04
      19
      Quote: Deniska999
      . About Hitler, by the way, a very interesting version about the flight from Berlin

      Don’t read the bullshit, Hitler flew to Saturn, and from there he rushed to Sirius, this is the exact information laughing
      1. Dovmont
        Dovmont 4 November 2013 11: 04
        +1
        Exactly! Back in 1943, our NKVD conducted Operation Saturn to prepare Hitler's link to this planet !!!
    2. a52333
      a52333 3 November 2013 09: 18
      -5
      It is better to rename the October Revolution into an English intelligence operation with the participation of sailors, and supported by Ulyanov by fax from Finland. A mournful event. You can draw an analogy Kerensky - Humpbacked, Ulyanov - Elkin.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 3 November 2013 10: 04
        +5
        It’s in vain that you .. (I didn’t minus you) .. Everything that we now have and are proud at that time was born .. Blood of course shed a lot (son on father, brother on brother .. it was all!) And yet Russia is alive and developing and this is the most important thing!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 08
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          In vain you are so .. (I did not minus you) .. All that we now have and are proud of at that time was born

          Everything that we have was born and built over the centuries !!!
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 3 November 2013 13: 25
            +7
            What was born there for centuries? Before the revolution, neither heavy industry nor mechanical engineering,
            no technology ... What plants were there, so the Germans and the Jews were Jews with their lobby in the Duma. Or Nikolashka
            would Rodzianko industrialize?
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 13: 41
              +1
              "BEFORE" slavery was built for centuries, and "AFTER" factories with spaceports ... and so ... as we can see, many still disagree))
            2. fzr1000
              fzr1000 3 November 2013 14: 48
              0
              Yeah, of course not at all. Laziness is simple, read it or find information on the factories of St. Petersburg, N. Novgorod, Tagil on the Internet ... you will be very surprised if you slept on school history in the country.

              For reference "In steelmaking, rolling, mechanical engineering, cotton processing and sugar production, Russia was ahead of France and was in 4th place in the world. In oil production, Russia in 1913 was second only to the United States." (Http: //www.protown .ru / information / hide / 6597.html)
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 3 November 2013 15: 03
                +6
                Quote: fzr1000
                ... if at school he slept on the history of the country.

                (http://www.protown.ru/information/hide/6597.html): "... Despite the impressive successes in the development of industry, Russia still remained an agrarian-industrial country. The gross output of agriculture and animal husbandry in 1913 The country lagged far behind the most developed countries in the production of industrial goods per capita by 1,5 times the gross output of large-scale industry. By this indicator, the USA and England in 1913 surpassed Russia by about 14 times, and France by 10 times. Thus, despite the exceptionally high rates of industrial growth, Russia was still inferior in terms of economic development to the outbreak of the First World War to other great powers ... "
                In fact, it is better to study such things with the teacher, and he will explain what the control questions will be.
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 3 November 2013 17: 44
                  +1
                  Industrial products - the term includes too wide a range, including and consumer goods.
              2. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 15: 42
                +1
                I didn’t speak to you, what right do you have to “poke” me!
                Respect your interlocutors!

                And "naked" numbers by themselves do not mean anything. All this industry worked for anyone, but not for the people and the state!
              3. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 4 November 2013 22: 02
                +1
                Quote: fzr1000
                “In steelmaking, rolled products, mechanical engineering, cotton processing and sugar production, Russia was ahead of France and was in 4th place in the world.

                Gyyy, were there many world powers then? The entire planet consisted of Germany, Austria-Hungary, France, Britain, Russia and their colonies. Let's put another question - "Who smelted steel and mined sugar LESS than Russia?" How many places are there in this "competition" if we consider that all sorts of Poland, India, Finland, China, Egypt, Central Asian khanates, Vietnam and Algeria were colonies?
                1. densh
                  densh 5 November 2013 00: 07
                  +3
                  It’s especially fun to talk about the industrial development of Russia, when you read the recollections of the First World War — the shortage of ammunition and weapons that could not be produced, the low technical level of ordinary soldiers, pay attention to the state of the army at the beginning and end of the war and compare it with state of the armies of allies and even enemies. The numbers speak for themselves, where is all the industrial power? Or are the Bolsheviks also to blame.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 5 November 2013 15: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: densh
                    It is especially fun to talk about the industrial development of Russia when you read the memories of the First World War

                    Russian industry, even in the "best" years of the 10s of the 20th century, was unable to provide its own army with weapons and ammunition. Mosin rifles were ordered in the USA, Adrian's helmets in France, etc.
            3. a52333
              a52333 3 November 2013 16: 35
              -3
              Quote: Tyumen
              Or Nikolashka
              would Rodzianko industrialize?
              Stolypin would have spent if not for the "revolutionaries"
          2. Serg 122
            Serg 122 3 November 2013 13: 30
            0

            Don’t read the bullshit, Hitler flew to Saturn, and from there he rushed to Sirius, this is the exact information


            Papadrobne laughing please !!! wassat
        2. a52333
          a52333 3 November 2013 16: 41
          0
          8 millions !!! Survived, of course. In the second world 20 millions. Let's revolutionaries call 1 / 3 Hitler. 3 / 5 of Hitler taking into account emigration.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 3 November 2013 13: 48
        +2
        They forgot to mention Yakovlev. Well ...!
      3. Tektor
        Tektor 3 November 2013 18: 51
        +1
        The October Revolution is better renamed the operation of British intelligence ...
        It's just that everything that you know about the Great October Revolution is a myth, a fairy tale, carefully guarded. In fact, everything was very interesting. In the battle, the forces of three sovereigns merged: England with the states, Germany and Russia. Moreover, the Russian headquarters of the revolution was headed by the counterintelligence unit of the General Staff, which had been preparing the revolution since 1915 ... Kerensky, Bronstein and Ulyanov are actors. The real coup was carried out by a detachment of militants under the command of Dzerzhinsky, who made their way to Zimny ​​through underground communications, disarmed the security of the cadets and arrested the interim government. By the way, two of the members of this provisional government were among the revolutionaries ... They were released the next day from Petropavlovka. And when, just liberated from places not so distant, the "Red Army" in Smolny learned that the Winter Palace was empty and no one was guarding it, they immediately rushed to rob it ... This is how Eisenstein's myth "Lenin in October" was born. By the way, where Lenin was, no one knows for sure: he appeared when it became obvious that "the revolution had taken place" ...
        1. densh
          densh 4 November 2013 14: 57
          0
          And Lenin was bottling drinks .
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 4 November 2013 21: 08
            +1
            Dzerzhinsky, Stalin, Uritsky and many members of the General Staff and counterintelligence took part in the real headquarters of the revolution. It was they who commanded the actions of the army and navy, as well as special services. That is why the Russian state did not collapse! Lenin, the representative of the Rockefeller interests, I must say played a significant role: he completely neutralized Bronstein, the representative of the interests of Rothschild. Lenin also managed to concentrate in his person the interests of the German General Staff and the interests of Finnish separatism. At the most crucial moment, under the leadership of Lenin, there were about 10 thousand Latvian riflemen, 2 regiments of Finns, and many German prisoners, who came from Germany with two barges with weapons. Trotsky could do little to oppose this. Here Lenin and "led" the "uprising". And General Krasnov managed to gather only about 2 thousand soldiers near Pskov to support the provisional government of Kerensky. Kerensky simply left at the right moment, supposedly for help, but he was no longer remembered ... The fleet and regular troops were subordinate to the General Staff and were able to organize actions to neutralize the assistance to Trotsky from the British, who wanted to break through and capture Kronstadt ...
            1. densh
              densh 4 November 2013 23: 47
              +1
              And at that time, a death star dangled in orbit, two battleships of the "Star Destroyer" class and a legion of imperial stormtroopers - only Lenin, with such an international crowd, did without them. Dear Tektor, do not be offended, but what you have stated is going through the department of Novodvorskaya You can relate to historical events in different ways. But it is better, first of all, to be guided by common sense and not turn everything into a military fantasy thriller.
              Let me tell you a secret - this "revelation" tormented the liberal intelligentsia in the frenzy of perestroika, and then they somehow forgot about it. hi
              1. Tektor
                Tektor 5 November 2013 00: 14
                0
                That is, you will say that a strong bond between Stalin and Shaposhnikov B.M. did not have? And where and when could a strong male friendship be born between the "son of a shoemaker" and a career military man from the Academy of the General Staff of the Empire? It's just that Stalin's biography was slightly corrected in his early years so that there were no unnecessary questions.
                1. densh
                  densh 5 November 2013 00: 22
                  +1
                  And is this also a revolution? Was its plan developed by Boris Mikhailovich, under the wise guidance of Comrade Stalin?
    3. Donvel
      Donvel 3 November 2013 13: 32
      +4
      A single textbook of history in theory seems to be aimed at countering the falsification of history, but in reality it turns out that the children will be laid with the same program in their heads. This is a very powerful means of ideology, not a means of education. You cannot look at any science from one side, and even less so at history.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 08: 41
        +1
        As for ideology, it’s not so bad, everyone uses it. Another thing is who, we have something more often to the detriment. Just do not need that consideration from different angles will save from damage. History is always viewed with an emotional touch.
        1. Donvel
          Donvel 4 November 2013 13: 22
          +1
          Ideology is also ambiguous. The Soviet is one thing, the USSR served primarily the people and only the second for itself. Modern Russia, first of all, and secondly, thinks about the good of the elite, therefore its ideology (if any) does not deserve confidence.
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 03
    +8
    In such circumstances, Syria's hands are tied: an additional conflict with Israel is contraindicated.
    Israel uses this ... Sooner or later they will punish you for your arrogance (screeching will be on the whole planet), as always!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 3 November 2013 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (screech will be all over the planet)
      -dyk he did not stop
  6. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 09: 07
    11
    So far, the working group reports that both pilots did not catapult, but left the fallen helicopter already on the ground after they took the Ka-52 to a safe distance from residential buildings (to the nearest high-rise building, only about 100 m from the crash site)
    Nails would be made of these people — it wouldn’t be stronger in the world of nails! Mayakovsky.
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 3 November 2013 10: 47
      +7
      The old school, in the Soviet Union, did not do other people. I don’t argue, well done, they didn’t allow victims and they themselves survived.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 13: 43
        +2
        Not just well done, HEROES !!!
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 3 November 2013 09: 09
    21
    New history textbook, say? Calm Will you have to rewrite soon?
    The head of the State Archival Service, Olga Ginzburg, says that the originals of the agreement on the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (the “Bialowieza Agreement”) are not in the archives of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
    “We, as well as the archives of the Federal Archival Agency of Russia and the Department of Archives and Record Keeping of the Ministry of Justice of the Republic of Belarus, constantly receive requests to provide the original of the Bialowieza Agreement for review. We raise our hands - neither in Ukraine, nor in Russia, nor in Belarus the original of this document is available, ”Ginsburg said.
    According to her, sometimes it happens that some documents do not go to the archives or are lost.
    Recall that the Bialowieza Agreement was signed by the leadership of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine on December 8 of 1991.
    The document provided for the creation of the CIS, which actually meant the collapse of the USSR.
    In February, information appeared in the media that a copy of the document was in the CIS Executive Committee, but the original was not in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus.
    One of the signatories of the Bialowieza Agreement - the former head of the Belarusian Republic Stanislav Shushkevich - noted that he does not remember exactly how many copies of the agreement were signed. He admits that there could be three originals of the document (for each of the signatories), or there could be one
    On October 25, Belarus handed over Ukraine the chairmanship of the CIS in 2014.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/238609
    xxxxx
    Perhaps there were three versions of the original and none were preserved? (Well, how to get drunk! belay ) Or maybe they all imagined Belovezhskaya agreement? Wanted, but not signed! laughing And what? We still say that Khmelnytsky signed an agreement with the Russian Tsar on an equal union of the two states, and did not ask to take Ukraine under his arm! The ORIGINAL of this contract is not there either! So can we rewrite the story again? And do not recognize the copies of the Belovezhskaya AGREEMENT? wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 09: 49
      14
      Quote: Egoza
      “We, as well as the archives of the Federal Archival Agency of Russia and the Department of Archives and Record Keeping of the Ministry of Justice of the Republic of Belarus, constantly receive requests to provide the original of the Bialowieza Agreement for review. We raise our hands - neither in Ukraine, nor in Russia, nor in Belarus the original of this document is available, ”Ginsburg said.

      The people, and maybe there was no agreement. Three of them were blown up to delirium tremens, blurted out, and then .....
      It will be interesting for me to look at the faces of politicians when we find out that there was no agreement wassat
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 3 November 2013 09: 57
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It will be interesting for me to look at the faces of politicians when we find out that there was no agreement

        the muzzles will be indifferent (with a brick), and the words in the sense that there's nothing to be done, and this is for the better what
      2. Igor39
        Igor39 3 November 2013 11: 49
        +5
        Then you have to send troops of the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in all republics, to establish a socialist order. smile
        1. vitamin ky
          vitamin ky 3 November 2013 16: 41
          +2
          and in my opinion, this is an option-I'm tired of the screeching screech — this whole mess, not a country, but a bunch of specific principalities with local kings (presidents) who wants to and where they rule, you still need to unite — a united army, a single people and other components of a powerful state -separation as a method has already shown its failure and depravity -IMHO !!
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 3 November 2013 10: 30
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      the originals of the agreement on the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (the “Bialowieza Agreement”) are not in the archives of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.


      Let the request be made to the Library of Congress of the mattress - the original three bastards there and sent for the report to the customer.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 12: 34
      +5
      What are you, what are you ... Remember 1989-1991. about the "secret supplements" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. After all, then they convinced the "progressive democratic community" of the authenticity of the COPY! that piece of paper. This is what a field of activity has opened up for the girls!
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 November 2013 09: 17
    10
    Thanks to the authors. A great review. and special thanks for not including the Ukraine-EU theme. good
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 19
    +6
    Moreover, under the new rules, any country that would like to purchase oil from Saudi Arabia must first exchange the national currency for American dollars.

    The biggest scam of the 20th = century ..! And one of the reasons for the collapse of the (economic) USSR ... How did we miss this?
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 3 November 2013 09: 23
    13
    At today's press conference, presidential contender Vitali Klitschko was asked a question about his attitude to homosexuality, Dumskaya reports.
    In particular, one of the journalists present asked how the politician relates to one of the EU directives, which supposedly allows the promotion of homosexual relations.
    In response, the leader of the UDAR party noted with approval that this question clearly worries the young man who asked him.
    “I have to confess ... For a long time, many, many years, I am a convinced lesbian ", belay - answered Klitschko. According to him, everyone has the right and choice, and European values ​​are the protection of these rights and freedoms, and sexual relations are everyone’s personal business, everyone has the right to privacy, and there is something to regulate and prohibit here, according to politicians, you can’t.
    However, propaganda of gay marriage, Vitali Klitschko considers unacceptable.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/238602
    XXXX
    This is the phrase of the week! And he is pushed to us by the president !!!! laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 09: 50
      14
      Quote: Egoza
      “I have to confess ... For a long time, many, many years, I am a convinced lesbian,” Klitschko replied.

      wassat wassat wassat This moron also marks the presidency of Ukraine wassat
      1. tomas.09
        tomas.09 3 November 2013 14: 05
        +1
        The people have those leaders whom they deserve))))
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 17: 43
          0
          Quote: tomas.09
          The people have those leaders that they deserve)

          No, respected, unfortunately, the goy people deserve those leaders who "have" them.
      2. Borz
        Borz 4 November 2013 12: 22
        +1
        So we have not a country, but a training ground.
      3. densh
        densh 4 November 2013 15: 10
        +1
        Lesbian is a joke. Thank you for not supporting Euro value.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 52
      +8
      Klitschko blurted out .. hehe (Donetsk boys will not understand him ..)))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 11: 16
        +7
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Klitschko blurted out .. hehe (Donetsk boys will not understand him ..)))

        But in Europe it will be set as an example laughing I wonder with what slogans his fans will stand on Maidan. what Lesbian is our president laughing
    3. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 10: 31
      +4
      For a long time, many, many years, I am a convinced lesbian-He has a bright life-blow after "blow" ... wassat
      1. family tree
        family tree 3 November 2013 11: 15
        12
        Come on laughing Anecdote in the topic:
        A man enters a bar, already warmed up, at the counter two pretty ones. Man:
        -I have a beer, champagne girls!
        One of them:
        - In vain you try, we are lesbians.
        -This, who is it? belay
        -Well, we love women.
        -Ltd! Bartender! Three beers! Us! Lesbians! wassat
        From there a joke and went
    4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 3 November 2013 11: 53
      +3
      the president of him what you need! real rubber Arnie! laughing laughing laughing
    5. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 4 November 2013 12: 53
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      “I have to confess ... For a long time, many, many years, I am a convinced lesbian,”

      Well, Duc is the same phrase from a well-known anecdote ("Doctor, I am a lesbian. There are so many beautiful men around, but I only have women getting up"), Klitschko once again emphasized by this that he is a normal heterosexual man.
      Quote: Egoza
      According to him, everyone has the right and choice, and European values ​​are the protection of these rights and freedoms, and sexual relations are everyone’s personal business, everyone has the right to privacy, and there is something to regulate and prohibit here, according to politicians, you can’t.
      However, propaganda of gay marriage, Vitali Klitschko considers unacceptable.

      And what is wrong? In my opinion, he said everything correctly. No one has the right to interfere in someone else's bed life. But to promote gay marriage is also not the case. I completely agree with Klitschko. IMHO, he will be the most appropriate president of Ukraine.
  11. bif
    bif 3 November 2013 09: 33
    10
    Israeli Air Force fighters attacked the base of the Syrian government forces near Latakia on 31 in October. The purpose of the air strike, according to a representative of the American administration, was a warehouse with missiles and other military equipment. The Israelis feared that this equipment could be transferred to Hezbollah ...
    Earlier, President Assad promised to give an answer to such attacks. However, this is not the time for such a reaction: firstly, Syria is cooperating with the OPCW; secondly, in November a peace conference on the settlement of the conflict may take place. In such circumstances, Syria's hands are tied: an additional conflict with Israel is contraindicated.

    Israel its attacks on other states, hiding behind the old hurdy-gurdy "about the weapons of Hezbollah", the states are conducting "democratic" wars under the division of "fighting Al-Qaeda" ... One "school" - one field of berries.
    Israel provokes a situation like the jackal Tabaki, who encouraged the python Kaa "..and they also called you the earthworm." There is yet another stupidity of Netanyahu, which Russia and Syria easily coped with. Israel was left with its provocation in its hands and, possibly, with Obama’s increasingly unwillingness to fight. Obama refused to bombardment under the pressure of Russian initiatives, .. Israel was and is an active player in the overthrow of Assad, and, of course, he advocates that the war continues, there were bombings. In this case, the Assad regime will weaken and the mutual destruction of the Arabs "will go more fun." Which, in general, is one of the main goals of Israel. Netanyahu does not lose hope of reaching Iran, but this is possible only with the 2 factor — the desire of the United States to bomb and the possibility of an air corridor over destroyed and ruined Syria.
    1. alone
      alone 3 November 2013 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: bif
      Earlier, President Assad promised to give an answer to such attacks. However, this is not the time for such a reaction: firstly, Syria is cooperating with the OPCW; secondly, in November a peace conference on the settlement of the conflict may take place. In such circumstances, Syria's hands are tied: an additional conflict with Israel is contraindicated.


      Asad’s previous attacks didn’t have his hands tied. But he couldn’t answer. Asad simply understands that if he answers, this will be the end of his reign. He is not yet able to deal with the militants who captured half the country, and if he answers, he will get a flurry of missile and airstrikes.

      Quote: bif
      Netanyahu does not lose hope of reaching Iran, but this is possible only with 2 factors - the desire of the United States to bomb and the possibility of an air corridor over destroyed and devastated Syria.


      Israel can bomb Iran even now and it does not interfere. It is enough to send planes through the north of Syria. there, as everything under the control of the militants and a single air defense system has been destroyed. So the route northern Syria-north of Iraq-Iran is quite real. To understand this, just look at the map of Syria, where the territories are marked by occupied militants and know a little about geography.
      1. bif
        bif 4 November 2013 00: 40
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Israel can bomb Iran even now and it doesn’t interfere. It is enough to send planes through the north of Syria

        It will be a one-way flight. Syria’s air defense is a controversial issue, but there is definitely a need to use refueling and this is the Achilles heel.
      2. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 09: 04
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        will receive a flurry of missile and airstrikes.

        I always said why Assad should open the 10th front or even the first. All that he wanted to convey to Hezbollah he would have passed on long ago. Israeli aggression is beyond doubt.
        1. alone
          alone 4 November 2013 22: 09
          +1
          Hezbollah as a military-political force, there is a blogger Assad. Everything that goes from Iran to this organization is transmitted through Syria, i.e. through Assad.
  12. Hleb
    Hleb 3 November 2013 09: 35
    16
    Kazakhstanis with the victory of you by the way)
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 09: 46
      10
      I am joining! Such fighters in Kazakhstan! Handsomely ..
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      2. Apollo
        Apollo 3 November 2013 10: 11
        12
        Good morning everybody hi

        quote- “Our ideal, by contrast, is solidarity society society social symphony", - said Cyril, adding that people of different views and beliefs do not always understand social values ​​in the same way.

        It is very well said by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill.

        When a terrible incident happened in Biryulyovo, when a young guy Yegor Shcherbakov was stabbed to death in front of a girl, ordinary citizens all as one expressed their indignation at the lawlessness of migrants and the inaction of law enforcement agencies and this was justified in my opinion. Patience is not unlimited, for years the accumulating problems have poured into mass protests. Almost all media including electronic and our forum expressed the most negative assessment.
        Just recently, a policeman, I will not focus your attention on nationality, was brutally murdered , a resident of Moscow for many years living in the city of Hero of Moscow an Azerbaijani by nationality, an elderly person. The first I express my sincere condolences to the family of the deceased. The second. I am struck by inaction, societies as well as law enforcement bodies of the headquarters and the Ministry of Internal Affairs itself. The murder was committed not just by a person but to the cops. Kolokoltsev brilliantly reported on the detention of E. Shcherbakov, the suspect in the murder, why he is silent now. Why did the prosecutor’s office in Moscow, the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs Directorate and the ministry get water in their mouths? What prevents you from reporting to society and why we are silent. Shame on you all. am
        As for society, again silence, where are mass protests and indignation, or the deceased is not a person ?! winked
        My opinion is double standards. That's all.
        In conclusion, I suggest that everyone who owns the pen prepare an article in general about law enforcement and the mess that reigns there.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 3 November 2013 10: 33
          11
          Sincerely sorry .. (there are plenty of creatures everywhere) .. That’s just alarming Azerbaijan (in the negative) began to appear in the media (everything is clear with the Chechens) .. Not all of this is casual .. Especially after Putin’s friendly visit to Azerbaijan and the conclusion of treaties ( and not only in the military sphere ..) They want to clear off clearly .. and who I think is not hard to guess ..
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 3 November 2013 10: 39
          +4
          In continuation of his comment on the quote from the patriarch.
          This case I have cited generally goes beyond the limits of rational behavior, a moron who committed the beating of an 12 summer teenager.
          URGENTLY! 12-year-old Azerbaijani beaten with skinhead in Moscow
          A Russian woman stood up for him, who helped to detain the criminal

          In Moscow, it seems that the rampant nationalism has entered a phase of insanity. The minval.az website learned that on November 1 in the Zelenograd district of Moscow was an 25-year-old nationalist in a bus, an 12-year-old Azerbaijani visually impaired boy was brutally beaten. A Russian woman Tatyana Anatolyevna stood up for the boy. We contacted her, and here is what she told us:
          - Everything happened in Zelenograd district, near Nikolsky park, where there is a correctional school for children with disabilities. I have drawn attention many times to this boy who is traveling with me on the bus: quiet, calm, well-groomed, his eye squints a lot. So on the first of November, the 4 boy entered the bus, including this boy.
          After 10 minutes of travel behind me, I heard foul language from an adult and the girl giggling. I caught the eye of a woman standing in the center of the cabin and looking towards the scolding. And she purposefully went there, and began to say to these people: how, they say, aren’t ashamed of you, you are showing off in front of your girlfriend, scolding children! And the guy answers her: I do not scold the person, I scold .....! The woman realized that it was useless to argue with him and got off the bus. I looked around and saw that a guy of 25 years old was already standing near these schoolchildren and clinging to them. And the Azerbaijani boy was sitting closer to the aisle. The bus went, and the guy yelled: "...., they came in to sell potatoes!"
          more details here http://minval.az/news/25153

          I am overwhelmed with feelings of READING and a disabled teenager for what ?! am

          So, I have stated an indisputable fact, the failure of interethnic policy in Russia. Who likes it or not, but it is a fact.Who will answer for this is a rhetorical question and nonetheless !!!

          Note- a word marked with an ellipsis and excluded by me from the text is prohibited by the rules of VO
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 3 November 2013 10: 58
            10
            In vain you are pulling the Apallon Patriarch here ... He did not call for this! Murder and pride is a big sin for us .. There’s something else here .. Bleeding us again (the best option for the collapse of Russia) There have been many resentments .. Terry nationalism is a destroyer of everything (Germany is an example for that ..) I can’t say anything more ..
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 05
              +1
              Quote: MIKHAN
              You should not Apallon

              You spelled my nickname incorrectly.
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Draw the Patriarch here ... He did not call for this!

              I just can’t understand, did I write my comment in English or in German? I wrote like in Russian. As for the patriarch, I mean Patriarch calls for the consolidation of societyand individual individuals and a group of people, on the contrary, are leading the cause of the collapse of Russia, or is it not clear?! Let's recall the recent past, how the USSR collapsed, quarreling peoples among themselves, the same thing is happening now, but in Russia, the people are trying to rock the boat of stability and interethnic harm in society. For the future, read the text of my comments more carefully or do you read between the lines ?!
              1. MIKHAN
                MIKHAN 3 November 2013 11: 29
                +4
                I think you need to calm down Apollon ...
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: MIKHAN
                  I think you need to calm down Apollon ...

                  hi
                  I'm as calm as a "boa constrictor", but where did our colleague Kaa disappear, no idea ?! winked Romanov, can you write, where is our Kaa ?!
              2. Egoza
                Egoza 3 November 2013 11: 46
                +3
                Quote: Apollon
                a group of people, on the contrary, are leading things to the collapse of Russia or is it incomprehensible ?! Let us recall the recent past, how the USSR collapsed, quarreling peoples among themselves, the same thing is happening now, but already in Russia, the people are trying to rock the boat in society

                I fully support. People! leave such cases unanswered and rebuffed at the official level is NOT! Everything should be clear and in accordance with the law. Fascism is already raising its head. They started with us (Ukraine), now they are trying to get to you! am
              3. smile
                smile 3 November 2013 13: 45
                +3
                Apollo
                This is exactly what is clearly an attempt to repeat the scenario of the collapse of the Union within the framework of Russia. Confess. I am extremely outraged by the thoughtlessness of my colleagues, proclaiming almost crusades against "foreigners" at the first possible and impossible reason .... where their mind is at this time, I personally do not know ... probably, due to lack of need, it goes into sleep mode.
                1. alone
                  alone 3 November 2013 13: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  This is exactly what is clearly an attempt to repeat the scenario of the collapse of the Union within the framework of Russia. Confess. I am extremely outraged by the thoughtlessness of my colleagues, proclaiming almost crusades against "foreigners" at the first possible and impossible reason .... where their mind is at this time, I personally do not know ... probably, due to lack of need, it goes into sleep mode.


                  Hi Vladimir! I completely agree. But for some people mine is not smooth. The collapse of the USSR just began with this. Everyone began to divide each other into friends and foes. The script is the same, but the performers are different
                  1. smile
                    smile 3 November 2013 14: 23
                    +2
                    alone
                    Hi!
                    And some performers remained in their places. Incidentally, it amazes me how much every criminal case involving representatives of different nationalities is inflated by representatives of a liberal camp - look, any crowd of swamp throats, leaders who immediately try to set fire to the crowd with completely illiberal nationalist slogans, immediately runs up to any incident.
                    Everything is simple, and the USSR and Russia could not be destroyed by anything except separatism and interethnic strife. We would have endured any cataclysms, but interethnic strife literally buried the Union ... yes, Russia got a heavy "interethnic legacy", and I don’t know how we will disentangle it, but if we don’t cope with this problem, Russia will not.

                    And to those who are here yelling about "churrrk and migrants", rejoice at the pogroms, I advise you to think carefully, who benefits from their "righteous anger" .... and who incites this anger.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 3 November 2013 14: 30
                      +2
                      Great Volodya! He said everything correctly! My thoughts
                      1. smile
                        smile 3 November 2013 14: 57
                        0
                        Day 11
                        Hi Dan! That's right, these are your thoughts, while you sleep I’m borrowing them from you ... :))) Well, it’s a sin not to borrow a useful thing. :)))
              4. UmaR
                UmaR 4 November 2013 00: 58
                +2
                In every sense I agree with you hi .
          2. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 11: 08
            +9
            Quote: Apollon
            A Russian woman Tatyana Anatolyevna stood up for the boy.

            It would be generally sad if no one stood up, and this guy is a wimp, and would-be, before the child shows his boldness.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 17
              12
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              and to

              No, it’s not, Andrei, but a skinhead fascist, which must be pressed. What worries me is that the state takes liberties for the fascist elements that are raising their heads confidently. All the trash behind nationalist slogans, not only in Russia but also in other republics, is raising its head. Why go far? You look at what happened the other day, in the stands, in the Shinnik match -Spartacus.
              Take a look at these photos. And this is at a time when our ancestors shed blood over the Country.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 11: 31
                +6
                Quote: Apollon
                Take a look at these photos.
                It is probably good that my grandfather did not live to this day and does not see this disgrace. RUSSIAN !!! Who brings up our children?
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 44
                  +7
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  It’s probably good that my grandfather did not live to this day.

                  No, it’s not good Andrey, your grandfather just had to live and live.
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  and does not see this disgrace.

                  I’m interested in another who brought these scum to light. am
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  RUSSIAN !!! Who brings up our children?

                  winked
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 56
                    +7
                    I am outraged by the fact that NO ONE at the stadium did not intervene didn't rip nazi flag with the bastard’s hand holding it and not FILLED HIM.
                    1. Same lech
                      Same lech 3 November 2013 12: 30
                      +4
                      Alas, dear, this will not be tolerant and in violation of the LAW - but our dear leaders in quotation marks of OUR STATE urge to comply with the law.
                      But you know what kind of thing it turns out - this kid who holds the flag sees what is happening with the law in KREMLIN and draws the appropriate conclusions, while ultranationalists and stormtroopers VATAAP also quotes him a simple way to solve all the problems that he expresses through this flag.
                      My great indignation to the organizers of the match (because they did not immediately stop the match on this occasion) and the police for the next weak-willed observation - that’s who we NEED TO ASK FOR THE FIRST TIME.
                      1. Apollo
                        Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: The same LYOKHA
                        My great indignation to the organizers of the match (because they did not immediately stop the match on this occasion) and the police for the next weak-willed observation, there is someone to BE ASKED FOR FIRST.

                        Briefly, punish all those guilty and extremely harsh.
                      2. Same lech
                        Same lech 3 November 2013 12: 39
                        +2
                        that’s the whole point - if a kid with a fascist flag finds out that the policemen who did nothing to stop him were fired and the organizers of the match were fined for a large amount and a criminal case was opened for the propaganda of FASCISM, and that ALL the XE XE police were put on his ears to find him and punish him I think he will not have the desire to continue such experiments with the Nazi Symbol.


                        Further (I want to say separately) DAM - our beloved DIMON himself took part in the involuntary propaganda of Fascism.
                        To be honest, in my country, the most affected by FASCISM is to rename the POLICE into the POLICE Dumber than reform, you can’t imagine my negative attitude to it.
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: Apollon
                    I am outraged by the fact that no one in the stadium intervened or tore off the Nazi flag

                    Everyone looked at the cop fight
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 50
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Everyone looked at the cop fight

                      1. Sadly, where is society rolling, bread and circuses are not enough ?!
                      2. Tomorrow, these young men will feel even greater impunity and will hang a Nazi flag at the Kremlin.
              2. olviko
                olviko 3 November 2013 12: 01
                15
                "Who is raising our children?"
              3. Proud.
                Proud. 3 November 2013 13: 47
                +4
                Quote: Andrey KZ
                . RUSSIAN !!! Who brings up our children?

                Nobody brings up these "kids". Therefore, they grow up as "weeds".
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 3 November 2013 11: 40
            +5
            Quote: Andrey KZ
            and this guy is a wimp and would-be

            Quote: Apollon
            No, it’s not, Andrei, but a skinhead fascist

            No, Apollo, it is a wimp and. Even a fascist who respects himself, as you put it, wouldn’t come off on a child. You must defend your convictions with equals, and not look for the obviously weakest. Unfortunately, our family was not without a freak. hi
        3. svp67
          svp67 3 November 2013 11: 10
          +3
          Quote: Apollon
          I am overwhelmed with feelings of READING and a disabled teenager for what ?!

          And how will he answer? This is done only by FARED SALES. Well, you overwhelm you with a feeling of hatred, so go and fight with men, children and women are "out of the game" here, especially the disabled ...
        4. tomas.09
          tomas.09 3 November 2013 14: 10
          -1
          Yes, you take Apollo your compatriots home. Zadolbali already Azerbaijanis.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 3 November 2013 14: 54
            +3
            Quote: tomas.09
            Yes you take Apollo

            Take the trouble when you contact me or you haven’t been taught this ?!
            Quote: tomas.09
            their compatriots home

            what are they a thing or things to take them away ?! By the way, some people have a Russian citizen’s passport in their pocket and are just as full citizens as you are. As for illegal migrants, let your government deal with them and let them in, the FMS and the law enforcement agencies.
            Quote: tomas.09
            Zadolbali already Azerbaijanis.

            Azerbaijanophobe, and you’re tired of me!
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 3 November 2013 23: 15
            +4
            Quote: tomas.09
            Yes, you take Apollo your compatriots home. Zadolbali already Azerbaijanis.

            I put a minus. I am a nationalist, but by this word I mean love for my nation, and not hatred for others. I have a friend, a half-blood Azerbaijani father, and I really respect his father, because he is a MAN with a capital letter. I do not like blacks, but some compatriots are furious even more.
      3. alone
        alone 3 November 2013 10: 41
        -3
        do not bother Apollo. no one will punish anyone and no one will write anything.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 11: 33
          28
          Quote: lonely
          do not bother Apollo. no one will punish anyone and no one will write anything.

          Don’t write crap, a normal man will not raise his hand at a disabled kid. U, Aphids want to say tutt that all Russians are such animals. If you behaved like a human being in Russia, this would not have happened at all. All this is only a consequence, and the reason is in the behavior, including of your fellow countrymen.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 3 November 2013 11: 41
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            a normal man doesn’t raise a hand for a disabled boy

            That’s exactly what’s normal, it means that the abnormal ones who raised their hands must be crushed (spread rot) and that’s fast.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Uh, Aphids want to say tutt that all Russians are such animals.

            No he alone just ironically wrote so and not a word about animals.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Would behave humanly in Russia

            Rightly noticed. good
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            this would not have happened at all

            I agree, but this does not mean that it is impossible to apply measures to unbridled thugs.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            All this is only a consequence, and the reason for the behavior, including your countrymen.

            punitive measures are necessary for all, both spoiled migrants and fascist elements.
            Hello Alexander hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 11: 55
              12
              Hi Apollo hi
              Quote: Apollon

              No, he is lonely, he just wrote ironically.

              This is not irony, since I did not see that the Russians would behave like this in Baku, in Yerevan, Tbilisi, Bishkek, Grozny. There is no such, and therefore irony is not appropriate.
              Quote: Apollon

              I agree, but this does not mean that it is impossible to apply measures to unbridled thugs.

              And who said that no action was taken. You know the personal example of a Mechanic well.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 04
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi

                Mutually hi
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is not irony, since I did not see that the Russians would behave like this in Baku, in Yerevan, Tbilisi, Bishkek, Grozny. There is no such, and therefore irony is not appropriate.

                Do you know why Alexander, holding power she created the prerequisites for revelry of migrants and youths with arms raised.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And who said that no action was taken. You know the personal example of a Mechanic well.

                I know and agree about the example of a mechanic, but we are talking about two cases I have cited.
                Where is the resonance in society and persons representing law enforcement agencies ??????? !!!!!!! winked
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 18
                  +9
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Do you know why Alexander, the power that has held it, created the prerequisites for rampant migrants

                  This was perhaps Putin’s most important mistake. Now he understood, but time was lost.
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Where is the resonance in the society of persons representing law enforcement agencies ???

                  Why were you waiting for him? Now, if the authorities show how they judge the Russian for beating a Caucasian .......... estimate what will be in the comments. People are tired of Apollo, stayed, it's time and honor to know.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    This was perhaps Putin’s most important mistake. Now he realized

                    good
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    but time is lost.

                    there is still time, but the delay in death is similar.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Why were you waiting for him? Now, if the authorities show how they judge the Russian for beating a Caucasian

                    And here Russian by nationality is a policeman, a guardian of the law who committed the murder !!!
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    People are tired of Apollo, stayed, it's time and honor to know.

                    The main and indispensable condition of the rule of law is the inevitability of punishment, where is it ?! winked
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 41
                      +7
                      Quote: Apollon

                      And here Russian by nationality is a policeman, a guardian of the law who committed the murder !!!

                      1.Laif News is not held in high esteem, a lot of channels are lying.
                      2. If the media begins to circulate one piece of news, in exchange on other channels, they will daily broadcast the facts of the crimes of the Caucasians, and there are many of them.
                      3. Prosecutors, roofers, Oboronservis, Serdyukov, Shepilyavy (former usurper (governor) Prim, Krai ... You’ve heard about the punishment, though you can take lower, gypsy heroin camps (mansions) and so on and so forth.
                    2. Apollo
                      Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      1.Laif News is not held in high esteem, a lot of channels are lying.

                      In my opinion, many channels lie or hide. Therefore, I always compare the facts from various sources and only analyze and draw conclusions.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      2. If the media begins to circulate one piece of news, in exchange on other channels, they will daily broadcast the facts of the crimes of the Caucasians, and there are many of them.

                      I am against replicating crimes on the body and radio channels, freedom of speech is not permissiveness.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      3. Prosecutors, roofers, Oboronservis, Serdyukov, Shepilyavy (former usurper (governor) Prim, Krai ... You’ve heard about the punishment, though you can take lower, gypsy heroin camps (mansions) and so on and so forth.

                      Therefore, he wrote that it was against publications before the end of the investigation, because the situation in society was already going through the roof.
                    3. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 6 November 2013 04: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Prosecutors are roofers, Oboronservis, Serdyukov, Shepilyavy (former usurper (governor) Prim, Krai ... You’ve heard about the punishment, I heard something. Although you can take lower, gypsy heroin camps (mansions) and so on and so forth.

                      For some reason, in KZ officials are all embezzlers and moral hoopoes, but hell, who of ordinary people will turn his tongue to accuse our officials of harboring foreign crime. Whatever the official or the policeman was a bribe-taker, he will let the "ethnic organized crime groups" get loose. In Kazakhstan, the indigenous people have no complaints about migrants, or Uzbeks, or Caucasians, or Gypsies. If it were not for the Russian media, hardly anyone in KZ would have suspected that the Vainakhs allegedly behave like greyhounds, and the Gypsies allegedly bank on drugs. The Vainakhs are a very polite nation, guest workers are generally law-abiding, and the Roma do not even think of breaking any laws of Kazakhstan. And all because the Kazakhs will hide any impudent person BEFORE THE POLICE ARRIVES.
                      And you again have Jews, Germans, Azerbaijanis. We are to blame ...
                2. alone
                  alone 3 November 2013 12: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Why were you waiting for him? Now, if the authorities show how they judge the Russian for beating a Caucasian .......... estimate what will be in the comments. People are tired of Apollo, stayed, it's time and honor to know.


                  So in order to save his power, one must close his eyes to how people of other nationalities are beaten and killed? very good method to calm
                  the anger of their own people, which was formed as a result of the policy being pursued. And the most important thing is that you, Alexander Romanov, are quite competent and adequate person, justify this. I just have no words! You will go far with such a policy.
            2. alone
              alone 3 November 2013 12: 13
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And who said that no action was taken. You know the personal example of a Mechanic well.


              that's when measures will be taken, then we'll talk.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 42
                +5
                Quote: lonely
                that's when measures will be taken, then we'll talk.

                Yes really. Damn, here Apollo with his posts additions, his head is already spinning. Maybe you read his post in relation to the case you are talking about.
                1. alone
                  alone 3 November 2013 12: 53
                  +1
                  I don’t need to read Apollo’s comments. He thinks in his own way, I think in his own way. If we are from the same country, this does not mean that we are robots and reason the same. A murderer is a murderer, a scumbag is a scumbag. And nationality has nothing to do with it. Once violated the law , punish in full.
                  but they are justified by the fact that now the Russian punishment for beating up a Caucasian can lead to undesirable consequences for the authorities, it’s a fiction. And such thoughts are criminal. Because they justify the crimes.

                  migrants are not to blame for the fact that, by announcing a state program to improve the demographic situation in Russia and increase the population, Putin and his team hoped that herds let people from other countries come to Russia, and the local population would accept it. And now because of the mistakes of statesmen ordinary people and locals and visitors suffer.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 3 November 2013 13: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: lonely
                    why not read Apollo's comments

                    In how winked and it is already interesting laughing
                    Then the ideal way, for you, put me on a blacklist, though I will see your comments.
                    Quote: lonely
                    .he thinks in his own way, I in his own way. if we are from the same country, this does not mean that we are robots

                    I absolutely agree with this message of yours.
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 13: 36
                    +5
                    Quote: lonely
                    The murderer is a murderer, a scumbag is a scumbag. And nationality has nothing to do with it. Once violated the law, punish in full.

                    And now are you talking about that scumbag that Aliyev raised in his rank? Well, the one who hacked the sleeping ax. Or is it only Russian?
                  3. alone
                    alone 3 November 2013 13: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And now are you talking about that scumbag that Aliyev raised in his rank? Well, the one who hacked the sleeping ax. Or is it only Russian?


                    this applies to everyone. not only Russians. but for some reason you are silent when the generals declared the national heroes of Armenia NJDE and the draw. These generals commanded the Wehrmacht's Armenian Legion.

                    )) Double standards as you understand.
              2. Apollo
                Apollo 3 November 2013 13: 11
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, really. Damn, here Apollo with his posts additions,my head is already spinning.


                I sympathize with you, Alexander, believe me, and sincerely. wassat
      4. alone
        alone 3 November 2013 11: 54
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Don’t write crap, a normal man will not raise his hand at a disabled kid. U, Aphids want to say tutt that all Russians are such animals.


        I don’t write crap. And I don’t compare all Russians with this creature. on the contrary, you put us all on the list of nonhumans, this is it! secondly, well, where is your hero of the Kokokoltsy? why doesn’t he want to look into the eyes of his subordinate who beat the old man to death? why didn’t he want to look into the eyes of the one who beat this disabled boy?

        that's why I push, no one will punish, and no one here will write an article !!! am
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        4. UmaR
          UmaR 4 November 2013 01: 45
          +1
          Lonely, you are absolutely right, completely agree with you!
      5. Normal
        Normal 3 November 2013 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Don’t write crap, a normal man will not raise his hand at a disabled kid. U, Aphids want to say tutt that all Russians are such animals. If you behaved like a human being in Russia, this would not have happened at all. All this is only a consequence, and the reason is in the behavior, including of your fellow countrymen.


        For once I agree good
  13. alone
    alone 3 November 2013 10: 43
    +5
    Yesterday, November 1, at about 15:30 in a Moscow bus number 12 in Zelenograd, a 14-year-old disabled boy, an Azerbaijani by nationality, was brutally beaten.

    According to Vesti.Az, a witness to the incident reported about this to Zelenograd24.

    She was riding the bus on route 12, which was following from the MLC when she heard foul language behind her. Turning around, the passenger saw that the man, apparently 25 years old (he was traveling with a companion), deliberately provoked a conflict, shouted to the 14-year-old decently dressed boy of non-Slavic appearance the phrase that all migrants should be driven out of the country, that Russia was coming the campaign for the expulsion of migrants, insulted the student with foul language, called him "chock". In response, the boy only made excuses, but did not offend the offender. Later it turned out that the teenager is an Azerbaijani, whose family has been living in Zelenograd for 10 years. In addition, he is disabled and attends correctional school.

    Some passengers, in particular one woman who later got off at the Studentskaya bus stop, defended the teenager and urged the man to calm down, but he did not give up. Further, when this woman came out, an enraged man, apparently not getting the expected response, began to strike the teenager, in turn, the boy was not able to escape or dodge the beatings, as he was in a sitting position.

    An eyewitness said that she could ask the man who had beaten the child to stop, fearing that he might hit her as well, as she said, he was intoxicated, and there was no smell of alcohol. The passenger strongly encouraged those around him, in particular men, to help and nip the conflict, but no one helped. By a fortunate coincidence, the bus stopped right near the police on duty, in the area of ​​the Musorgsky Children's Music School (7 Yunosti Street). Then law enforcement officials intervened in the conflict.

    The bully man was detained. However, realizing that he was threatened with responsibility for the committed act on the basis of ethnic hatred, the attacker tried to “negotiate” with the police, as well as with the battered teenager. Since his attempts were unsuccessful, he began to set forth his version of the incident, where it turned out that the boy himself got into a fight.

    The victim was taken to a children's hospital in Tushino with suspected concussion. Later it became known that the disabled boy was transferred to the Morozov Children's Clinical Hospital, the child has a serious eye injury. Eyewitnesses claim that the teenager was covered in blood, the attacker beat not only on the head, but also in the stomach.

    There are not so many witnesses who testified: the woman who told this story to our editorial office, and another pensioner from Moscow, who was also on the bus. An Azerbaijani boy was traveling with two minor friends who did not testify, since at the time of the incident they were without parents.

    All eyewitnesses of what happened, especially the woman who came out at the Studentskaya bus stop, are called on to contact the police: “We call eyewitnesses, who had a full bus: People! Do not be indifferent, be PEOPLE !!! Do not hide in your holes, call the police and testify! “The drunk brutally encroached in broad daylight on a child who is also disabled, considering it completely normal, hiding behind the law on the expulsion of migrants!”

    The district police department said that residents can contact the duty department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Matushkino and Savelki districts by calling: 8 (499) 735-52-64, 8 (499) 735-55-26.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 3 November 2013 14: 29
      -1
      We arrived in Russia, shit, now they pay !!!
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: tomas.09
        We arrived in Russia, shit, now they pay !!!

        Who pays? Disabled boy?
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 3 November 2013 15: 52
        +1
        Quote: tomas.09
        We arrived in Russia, shit, now they pay !!!

        I think that it’s you who have taken such a grudge, it turns out that you have a personal hostility towards me and, in my person, to all Azerbaijanis .......for two warnings from me for a veiled obscene forum.Now everything is clear with you.
  14. Normal
    Normal 3 November 2013 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: Apollon
    .Why the Moscow city prosecutor’s office, the Main Directorate of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate and the ministry got water in their mouths. What prevents you from reporting to society and why we are silent. Shame on you all.
    As for society, again silence, where are mass protests and indignation, or the deceased is not a person ?!
    My opinion is double standards. That's all.


    Well, why are silent. We are not silent:
    ayyildiz RU Yesterday, 23:30 PM ↑
    A police officer beat and killed an elderly Azerbaijani man in public, why is the media SILENT ?????

    .....
    rus69 SU Yesterday, 23:36 ↑
    And to whom, is it interesting ...? If it were the other way around, they would immediately trumpet it.

    .....
    Normal (3) SU Today, 09:33 p.m. ↑
    Quote: ayyildiz
    A police officer beat and killed an elderly Azerbaijani man in public, why is the media SILENT ?????
    It is necessary to understand that you learned this news orally from eyewitnesses, then personally filmed and posted this video?

    Quote: Russ69
    And to whom, is it interesting ...?
    .....
    Well, you and your like-minded people are interested.
    And most really not. The fact that people of far from high moral and ethical qualities often serve in the police is not a secret. There is nothing that would be sensationally outrageous in this news. The cop - of course scum, if everything was really so. But who is it now surprising? Who is outraged? Everyone is already used to it and put up with it.

    Quote: Russ69 If it were the other way around, then they would immediately trumpet
    ....
    That is, if an Azerbaijani would brutally beat and kill a Russian policeman? Of course they would have trumpeted! How would you like to? So that in this case everyone is silent? Wake up! - We are in Russia and a crime committed by a foreigner against a Russian will always cause a resonance. This is natural. In any case, as long as the majority of Russians are in Russia.

    Well, about double standards ....
    Quote: Apollon
    Just recently, a policeman, I will not focus your attention on nationality, was brutally murdered , a resident of Moscow living for many years in the city of Hero Moscow Azerbaijani by nationality

    On the one hand, we pretend that nationality does not matter, on the other hand, we immediately indicate nationality. We are indignant at the fact that, due to the murder of a Russian by an Azerbaijanian in Russia, the Russians went out into the street and forced the police to gut, otherwise the Russians did not go out and the police did not show ostentatious activity.
    Yes, double standards exist. But we have a right to this - we are at home and the Russian is closer and dearer to the Russian, despite all the efforts of liberals and multinationals.
    But you apply double standards, and you do this not only at home but also at a party, and by no means in favor of the owners, but exclusively in your favor. So what do you want?
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 10: 19
    +8
    Quote: Gleb
    Kazakhstanis with the victory of you by the way)

    Yeah, Gennady Golovkin is a monster!
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 3 November 2013 11: 19
      +5
      In my city there are former Russian comrades from Kazakhstan, so they cried that they drove them out of there, and they thumped to the fullest. Now, if they were at least a quarter like Gena Golovkin, then they would obviously have no problems laughing
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 3 November 2013 10: 47
    +3
    In general, it’s beautiful and technical, as I walked through a pear)))
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 11: 51
    +2
    A boxing evening was held in New York, the main event of which was a duel between the middleweight champion of the WBA title Gennady Golovkin (Kazakhstan, 27-0, 24 KO) and challenger Curtis Stevens (USA, 25-3, 18 KO).

    Golovkin won an early victory over his opponent - Stevens corner, seeing that their boxer stopped responding to the opponent’s blows, stopped the match at the end of the eighth round.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 3 November 2013 16: 55
    +4
    Gleb, MIKHAN RAKHMET! The opponent did not see the hit - this is the most terrible thing in boxing and at the same time the most spectacular. Here is his "face" - he did not even understand where this came from. Golovkin is currently the most famous Kazakhstani boxer, he won all the fights - well done. A techie from god. Actually, we had a lot of technical boxers - Konakbaev, Zhirov, Sapiev; now here is Golovkin. There is still a lot on the way - at the last world boxing championship in Alma-Ata (80 years of Kazakhstani boxing) 4 gold, 2 silver, 2 bronze - 1st place in the team. They did not hit the dirt in the anniversary year. Since the collapse of the USSR, our boxers have taken Becker's cup through the Olympics - either the most technical or the most entertaining boxer (in London Sapiev took it, also a techie from God). And as a rule, one gold, silver and one bronze medal. At every major competition, I always think that here, hypothetically, the Union team will show. And almost always the rest of the world is in one gate. For example, in this championship, it is enough to add Azerbaijan to the Kazakhstani awards (there are 2 golds, in heavy weight, he is generally handsome, he has already become a two-time champion, in the final Dychko scored ours). Yes, we were able to keep the boxing school, which can not be said about the fight. By the way, the Klitschko brothers came to the World Cup - they come from our place, then went to their native places. In my opinion, their father is related to the Air Force - Nikolaevka, Lygovoe, Kyrgyzstan.
    Yes, how much thank you? AND YOU ALSO CONGRATULATIONS ON VICTORY OF OUR GENERAL BOXER.
    You must agree that the gena is a real boxing genius, it’s a pleasure to watch, such a baggage of boxing abilities, such a technique, such a speed - everything is there. In his weight there are no equal emy. drinks hi
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 4 November 2013 12: 43
    +3
    Quote: Gleb
    Kazakhstanis with the victory of you by the way)

    Thank! And you too!) Gene is the pride of Kazakhstan, a wonderful boxer and a wonderful person outside the ring, which is respected by all Kazakhstanis. I can’t help but recall how he did not forget to congratulate his native country from Kurban-Ait in the Kazakh language from America, which greatly touched the Kazakh-speaking compatriots. Golovkin is a real Russian man! I am proud of such Kazakhstanis!

    In general, it is noteworthy that whoever you do not take from professional CIS boxers - everyone is somehow connected with Kazakhstan, including the Klitschko brothers))) Our land does not give birth to good football players, but it issues excellent boxers regularly and a lot))))
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 November 2013 09: 59
    10
    Pleased with the Patriarch. Maybe the revival of the Russian people will really begin.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 10: 15
      +7
      I agree with you! Clever sane man (you can see in the eyes) Faith will save Russia! No matter how they tried to bite and humiliate her! Orthodoxy is the core of Russia (no offense to other respected religions.)
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 November 2013 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I agree with you! Clever sane man (you can see in the eyes) Faith will save Russia! No matter how they tried to bite and humiliate her! Orthodoxy is the core of Russia (no offense to other respected religions.)

        good
      2. alone
        alone 3 November 2013 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        (seen through the eyes)


        remembered the movie "Mimino" lol
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 3 November 2013 11: 41
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: MIKHAN
          (seen through the eyes)


          remembered the movie "Mimino" lol

          laughing good
          "In five years I will help, genatsvale" laughing
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 12: 43
      -1
      Duty-free cigarette-vodka suppliers = I DO NOT BELIEVE.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 November 2013 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Duty-free cigarette-vodka suppliers = I DO NOT BELIEVE.

        "Was there a boy"? “I didn’t hold the candle,” so I don’t presume to judge so categorically. hi
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 17: 10
          -2
          To an unbeliever: put your fingers on the keyboard of your PC and drive at least such a phrase into any search engine: deliveries of duty-free alcohol and cigarettes by the Orthodox Church to Russia in the 90s. Read, think. After all, not everything that is published on the Internet is nonsense ?!
          Here is one of the first ones:
          Then, in the fall of 1996, the public was amazed to learn that the Russian Orthodox Church is the largest supplier of cigarettes to Russia, which, however, was code-named “humanitarian aid”. It is clear that this “help” (with a volume of 50000 tons of tobacco), imported by the church through its channels, was exempted from customs duties. What brought the fighters for the immortal human soul very good profits ... Then, in the fall of 1996, when Metropolitan Kirill was required to present a financial report for the so-called. “Humanitarian aid,” he refused, saying that he was not ready to do it yet.
          Quote: Peaceful military
          therefore I do not presume to judge so categorically.

          That is right. “Do not judge, but you will not be judged” (Matt. 7,1).
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 3 November 2013 18: 05
            +2
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            To an unbeliever: put your fingers on the keyboard of your PC and drive at least such a phrase into any search engine: deliveries of duty-free alcohol and cigarettes by the Orthodox Church to Russia in the 90s. Read, think. After all, not everything that is published on the Internet is nonsense ?!
            Here is one of the first ones:
            Then, in the fall of 1996, the public was amazed to learn that the Russian Orthodox Church is the largest supplier of cigarettes to Russia, which, however, was code-named “humanitarian aid”. It is clear that this “help” (with a volume of 50000 tons of tobacco), imported by the church through its channels, was exempted from customs duties. What brought the fighters for the immortal human soul very good profits ... Then, in the fall of 1996, when Metropolitan Kirill was required to present a financial report for the so-called. “Humanitarian aid,” he refused, saying that he was not ready to do it yet.
            Quote: Peaceful military
            therefore I do not presume to judge so categorically.

            That is right. “Do not judge, but you will not be judged” (Matt. 7,1).

            I repeat once again, for the guys "from the armored train" that "I did not hold a candle," but that liberals, special lovers of the Internet, are talking about it, because it is available, almost free, uncontrollable and fashionable, I am not impressed. so your advice
            put your fingers on the keyboard of your PC and drive into any search engine
            leave your children, if you do not feel sorry for them, of course.
            God bless you and God. hi
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 08: 43
              0
              Quote: Peaceful military
              Lord and God

              What's this? New creed? Be careful with what is written.
              How does the heart express itself?
              How else can another understand you?
              Will he understand how you live?
              A spoken thought is a lie.
              Exploding, indignant keys, -
              Eat them - and be silent.
              F.I. Tyutchev
              And, if it does not bother you, please read my comment on the below you. There bast also in line.
          2. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 3 November 2013 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            To an unbeliever: put your fingers on the keyboard of your PC and drive at least such a phrase into any search engine: deliveries of duty-free alcohol and cigarettes by the Orthodox Church to Russia in the 90s. Read, think. After all, not everything that is published on the Internet is nonsense ?!
            Here is one of the first ones:
            Then, in the fall of 1996, the public was amazed to learn that the Russian Orthodox Church is the largest supplier of cigarettes to Russia, which, however, was code-named “humanitarian aid”. It is clear that this “help” (with a volume of 50000 tons of tobacco), imported by the church through its channels, was exempted from customs duties. What brought the fighters for the immortal human soul very good profits ... Then, in the fall of 1996, when Metropolitan Kirill was required to present a financial report for the so-called. “Humanitarian aid,” he refused, saying that he was not ready to do it yet.
            Quote: Peaceful military
            therefore I do not presume to judge so categorically.

            That is right. “Do not judge, but you will not be judged” (Matt. 7,1).

            In catching up, about the Internet, the media and other de (ry) mocratic "charms" in which you are clearly mired:
            hi
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 08: 32
              0
              Quote: Peaceful military
              In catching up, about the Internet, the media and other de (ry) mocratic "charms" in which you are clearly mired:

              Where can we get other media and other Internet? In the absence of stamped paper, you have to use the toilet. If you are not afraid of losing your ideological innocence, use a search engine and familiarize yourself with the content of the speech "Alexy II before the rabbis of New York", at the same time compare the date of the speech and EBN's first visit to the USA.
              Since we both use the Internet as a tool, learn to separate grains from tares.
          3. yur
            yur 4 November 2013 00: 16
            +3
            It's a lie! And if you trust any information from the Internet so much, then search and easily find data that it was Kirill who was against the supply of tobacco and alcohol, that he was threatened with physical harm if he interfered with the suppliers of "poison". When he did not break down, they began to throw mud at him, they tried to defame his reputation and it seems that they still have it to this day. After all, a real Russian person has nothing more important than his Motherland and God, so the enemies are trying to strike at faith and love for Russia.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 08: 20
              +1
              Quote: yur
              Cyril was against the supply of tobacco and alcohol

              So "the boy was," was with it. Assuming that the aforementioned one is personally white and fluffy, you DO NOT challenge the very fact of having duty-free cigarettes and alcohol?
          4. Russ69
            Russ69 4 November 2013 04: 37
            +1
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Then, in the fall of 1996, the public was amazed to learn that the Russian Orthodox Church is the largest supplier of cigarettes to Russia, which, however, was code-named “humanitarian aid”. It is clear that this “help” (with a volume of 50000 tons of tobacco), imported by the church through its channels, was exempted from customs duties.

            A little misinterpreted. It was Cyril who opposed this trade, and thanks to him, the church left this trade.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 08: 12
              0
              Quote: Russ69
              the church left this trade.

              Well, although one would admit: WAS ...
    3. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 November 2013 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Pleased with the Patriarch. Maybe the revival of the Russian people will really begin.

      About the same ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 3 November 2013 10: 14
    11
    Thank you Oleg! That is why among well-known versions of the type:
    Hitler landed about 300 miles south of Buenos Aires

    Hitler lives on the moon.

    other available versions about the fate of Hitler, among which the images of the Spanish monk Hitler are noteworthy; Italian hermit who settled in a cave; Shepherd in the Swiss Alps. According to other rumors, Adolf is hiding somewhere in the Antarctic.
    missing such: Hitler did not leave Berlin at all! He simply went down a floor below, wiped out a stingy male tear, crossed himself and lifted up the hatch ... For many years then, Hitler, in heavy thought, paced the reception hall without even realizing that he crossed the border between the 2nd social systems 40 times a day. ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 November 2013 11: 43
      +4
      Quote: retired
      For many years then, Hitler, in heavy thought, paced the hall for receptions, not even realizing that he crosses the border between 2 social systems on 40 times a day ...

      What are you hinting at? What, they hid him in the Bandera caches? belay
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 November 2013 12: 00
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        What, they hid him in the Bandera caches

        Yes, no, he means that he flogged so many shoals on earth that for a long time they could not decide where to send him. He didn’t deserve paradise and hell, as it’s not enough, he crossed 40 times a day laughing
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 3 November 2013 12: 45
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        What are you hinting at? What, they hid him in the Bandera caches?

        Nothing to where Bendera dug ... what
  • pensioner
    pensioner 3 November 2013 10: 22
    +9
    Quote: Egoza
    “I have to confess ... For a long time, many, many years, I am a convinced lesbian”
    It seems to him that not only his brains were lost in the ring ...
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 10: 34
      +7
      Candidate of Sciences ... what can you get from him:PhD in physical education and sports. winked
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 10: 40
      +3
      Good Ukraine spread rot men .. !!! Brothers all the same .. drinks
    3. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 10: 59
      +6
      Let's imagine for a second "At the barrier": Valuev-Klitschko .... both candidates of sciences .. aha .. um-m.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 10: 24
    +2
    hi Israeli strike- the "exceptional" confirmed that they were "ruled" by the children of Moses. As akin to gypsies, they have a lot in common - they have spread all over the world and carry lies, pretense and deception ...

    United Russian world- EVERYTHING WE WILL GET! hi
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 November 2013 10: 35
    23
    For the review, as always, plus
    Patriarch Kirill: You can not continue to ignore the majority of Russian
    The patriarch touched upon a key topic today. What happens to us? We are told about tolerance, the multinational people of Russia, unity, respect for national cultures, and so on. And what actually happens? The merchant on the market Matveevsky throughout the country declares where it is written What is Russian land? Guest worker at the Yaroslavl station barely speaking in Russian claims that Allah gave him the right to live where he wants and how he wants and where it is writtenthat Moscow belongs only to Muscovites? But they are right, oddly enough. The Constitution does not say a word about the Russian majority, there is a certain multinational people and indigenous and small nationalities.The passport also does not have a column of nationality, so at the next census we see in the column the nationality of Cossacks.Siberians and even Orcs and aliens. That is, from the young nails, a disregard for their nationality is gradually being brought up, which means to the historical and cultural values ​​of their people, which is why we observe the wedding with shooting, butchering of sheep, and aggressive behavior of the multinational Russian people. AND where it is written What do you need to observe Russian generally accepted norms of behavior on Russian soil, where the Russian majority lives? Instead, it is necessary to show tolerance to aggressive and ostentatious planting of alien customs, holidays and ceremonies. And those who do not agree with this are considered chauvinists and extremists who cry, beloved by Jewish journalists, Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Now they recall the experience of the USSR, where there was a slogan “All people are brothers” and point. But the state hammered this slogan into the heads of everyone without exception, and it was supported by powerful ideological and punitive measures. If you tried to hang a swastika on the stadium, people themselves would have torn on the spot, not to mention the law enforcement agencies, no Wahhabite mullah would have followed the KGB district department, and the so-called The Russian Jewish Congress, headed by the fascist Albats, would have been treated for a long time in institutions corresponding to their statements. Today, the state and local authorities operate according to the "democratic" principle - “Everything that is not forbidden, everything is permitted!"(which recently on the site defended our Israeli language Einstein). After all, the main idea of ​​civilized - Having stood on the corpse of a friend, you become 10 cm higher! ” We see the same thing in interethnic relations. The lack of a coherent state policy on this issue indulges criminal ethnic clans and diasporas. Ignoring the interests of the Russian majority will not lead Russia to a new Eurasian project, but will turn it into a second Kosovo. Moreover, the same market traders and vegetable hucksters. Who poke into our eyes today with what we eat at THEIR cafes and restaurants, buy at THEIR stores and therefore must sit quietly and not talk, they will suffer even more when, including due to their greed and stupidity Russia will turn into one big Iraq with Libya in addition. Even Stalin, the Georgian by nationality, understood the importance of the Russian people for maintaining calm and peace for all the peoples of Russia, large and small.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2013 10: 36
      +9
      Often those who deny our shrines and values ​​transfer their feelings to the Russian people, who are the main creator of our civilization, the bearer of its ideals. It is as if these forces are trying to support everything that can weaken, divide, and ideologically and morally disorient. It seems that these circles are most of all afraid of the real revival of Russian civilization, a revival on the basis of faith, combined with life, with socially significant action. Now, at the World Russian People’s Council, we must clearly and unequivocally say: a symphony of ethnic groups, which gives our civilization a unique look, is impossible without the participation of Russians.

      Патриарх Кирилл
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 3 November 2013 10: 58
      12
      Quote: Ascetic
      Therefore, we observe the fact of a wedding with shooting, butchering of sheep,
      Something is being done wrong with you, I don’t know what, you know better. I live in the south of Kazakhstan and have never! I have not seen anyone praying or cutting sheep on the street. On the example of Kazakhstan, I can say with confidence that Islam and Christianity can and should coexist peacefully. On Easter we bake Easter cakes, give them to neighbors, bring them to work and have tea, with eggs and Easter cakes. In my hometown, Kazakh children are in front of my parents' gates in the morning and shout Nina, the woman Nina, mother comes out and gives out cakes to everyone. It’s the same for Uraza Bairam, and and others eat pilaf with baursaks together.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2013 11: 38
        +8
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        e. I live in the south of Kazakhstan and have never! I have not seen anyone praying or cutting sheep on the street.


        about that and what's wrong
        Quote: Ascetic
        it is necessary to show tolerance to aggressive and ostentatious planting of alien customs, holidays and ceremonies. And those who do not agree with this are considered chauvinists and extremists who cry beloved by Jewish journalists, Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation


        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 November 2013 12: 06
          +3
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          never! never seen someone praying on the street





          There are not enough mosques in Moscow; more needs to be built.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2013 12: 10
            +7
            Muslims of Moscow, despite the dank weather, rain with wet snow and police cordons came to the holiday prayer.

            Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated Muslims on the beginning of the Eid al-Adha celebration. Eid al-Adha is freely and widely celebrated in Russia in numerous mosques, prayer houses and families, and this strengthens Islamic traditions, enriches the culture of the peoples of our country, serves to promote interfaith dialogue and interethnic harmony. .

            The state will continue to provide the necessary assistance to the spiritual administrations of Muslims, Muslim communities in organizing the Hajj and holding celebrations.

        2. MG42
          MG42 3 November 2013 17: 26
          +1
          Really cut sheep right on the streets of Moscow? There are cops in the frame there, they may have hobbled them for further transportation from gazelles to cars, the video unfortunately ends. Probably cut in another place?
          The video caught a lezginka with an AK, she takes it out of the trunk and dances >>
      2. Igor39
        Igor39 3 November 2013 12: 11
        +4
        Kazakhs, like Russians, celebrate not only religious holidays, but also pagan ones, such as Nauryz and Maslenitsa, the spirit of the ancestors of the pagans lives in us. My grandmother, a Belarusian, when she scolded me, she said: Hap you Perun! But it seems like 1000 years have passed .. .
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      Stalin himself a Georgian by nationality understood the importance of the Russian people to maintain calm and peace for all the peoples of Russia, large and small.

      Unfortunately, he said thanks to the great Russian people only once, at a reception in 1945.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 3 November 2013 16: 52
        +5
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Quote: Ascetic
        Stalin himself a Georgian by nationality understood the importance of the Russian people to maintain calm and peace for all the peoples of Russia, large and small.

        Unfortunately, he said thanks to the great Russian people only once, at a reception in 1945.


        Cases are far more significant than any words. The castling of Zhukov-Rokossovsky during the capture of Berlin - so that it was a Russian by nationality who commanded the troops plunging the capital into ashes and ashes, for example. It will not be enough - I will gladly give a ton of other examples of the same property.
        P.S. In addition, the Georgians upon the fact of their birth comrade Stalin repeatedly called himself Russian of Georgian origin.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 3 November 2013 16: 56
          0
          You messed up a little bit. Zhukov-Konev. And Rokossovsky Zhukov always pushed himself into the shadow of himself, the great
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 3 November 2013 17: 26
            +1
            19 April another competitor appeared in the race for Berlin. Rokossovsky reported to Stalin that the 2 of the Belarusian Front was ready to storm the city from the north. On the morning of this day, the 65-I army of General Batov forced a broad course of the Western Oder and moved to Prenzlau, cutting through the German army group "Vistula". At this time, Konev's tanks easily, as in a parade, moved northward, almost without meeting resistance and leaving the main forces far behind. Marshal deliberately took the risk, hurrying to go to Berlin before Zhukov. But the troops of 1-Byelorussian were already approaching the city. His formidable commander issued an order: “Not later than 4 in the morning on April 21, at any cost, break through to the suburbs of Berlin and immediately send a message to Stalin and to the press about this.”

            Rokossovsky writes:
            “In November 1944, I was appointed commander of the 2nd Belorussian Front, having personally received from Comrade Stalin the task of preparing an offensive operation to break through the enemy’s defense at the r. Narew and the defeat of the East Prussian group of Germans ... "

            G.K. Zhukov was appointed commander of the 1st Belorussian Front, and the honor of taking Berlin was granted to him. Rokossovsky asked Stalin why he was being transferred from the main direction to the secondary section:
            “Stalin replied that I was mistaken: the sector to which I was being transferred was included in the general western direction, on which the troops of three fronts would operate - the 2nd Byelorussian, 1st Byelorussian and 1st Ukrainian; the success of this operation will depend on the close interaction of these fronts, so the Stavka paid special attention to the selection of commanders. <...> If you and Konev do not advance, then Zhukov will not advance anywhere either, concluded the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 09: 03
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          Stalin repeatedly called himself Russian of Georgian origin.

          I don’t know this, maybe he had good teachers at the seminary? Those who realized the significance of the St. George Treatise for the historical fate of Eastern Georgia (Kartli and Kakheti), and the liberation of Bulgaria also happened somewhere near Soso Dzhugashvili’s birthday, probably something was put off in his memory.
          And the recognition of "Russian" in a narrow circle = this is a well-thought-out move, it was not in vain that he was for some time the people's commissar of nationalities, and with the political dominance of small-town internationalists, with whom he fought in the future, an extra curtsy to the Russian people was not burdensome for him.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 10: 40
    +3
    "By the way, the age limit for a reservist-soldier has been set - 42 years, a junior officer - 47 years, a senior officer - 57 years."-did not have time... crying
    Why is Germany interested in the Chechen language?- probably amendments to the constitution ... PREFERENCE to Czechs .. because of gayes tolerance ... laughing
  • Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 3 November 2013 10: 45
    11
    As expected, Skolkovo turned into a banal public relations project, with a cut in budget funds.
    Anecdote in the topic:
    - Why in Russia there will never be innovations and modernizations?
    - Because, at the price of oil less than $ 70 per barrel, there is no money for it, and more than 70, this is for x..n no one needs. smile
  • Normal
    Normal 3 November 2013 10: 53
    0
    Patriarch Kirill: You can not continue to ignore the majority of Russian

    It remains to rely on the fact that the words of the Patriarch are not a momentary emotional outburst after certain events, but still the beginning of a long journey aimed at restoring the bewildered Russian world. Well, I want to believe so much ...


    So here it is; ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored ... That's it! It is impossible further ignore.

    I want to believe, but just something I can’t believe. After all, wasn’t this ignorance happening at the time of the flourishing and stormy activity of Cyril?
    Patriarch Kirill (in the world Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev; ...
    since February 1, 2009 - Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church, ruling bishop of the Moscow diocese ...
    ..... Since 1990 - Chairman of the Commission of the Holy Synod on the revival of religious and moral education and charity, member of the Synodal Bible Commission.
    February 25, 1991 was elevated to the rank of Metropolitan.
    .....
    Since 1994, she has been conducting the spiritual and educational program “The Word of the Shepherd” on Channel One [18].
    In 1995-2000, the chairman of the Synodal Working Group on the development of the concept of the Russian Orthodox Church on church-state relations and the problems of modern society; Under his leadership, the Foundations of the social concept of the Russian Orthodox Church, adopted in 2000 by the Anniversary Bishops' Council, were developed.


    ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_(Patriarch_Moskovsky)
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 3 November 2013 11: 15
    +3
    This is not a nanoslip but a macro boil that can only be removed by surgery. Where are you, surgeon ?!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 3 November 2013 12: 49
      +5
      Quote: Budilnik
      Where are you, surgeon ?!

      Is on the way: The incident occurred in the Krasnoyarsk Territory

      A curious incident occurred in the city of Bogotol, Krasnoyarsk Territory - a surgeon who operated on a drug courier who carried drugs in his stomach, borrowed part of the cargo and immediately used it for its intended purpose.
      1. kush62
        kush62 3 November 2013 14: 15
        +3
        And yesterday, in Norilsk, doctors took out a medical instrument, the so-called Reveden sole, measuring 32x7,5 centimeters from the patient’s abdominal cavity, which had been left by the previous operating team of doctors.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 November 2013 11: 24
    +9
    Russia can be destroyed if faith and values ​​are replaced .. Orthodoxy is the core of Russia has always been and will be (I hope) And all these attacks on the Patriarch (for many years already) are links of one chain.! I’m baptized in adulthood .. I believe .. in church I don’t go .. sin I just love Russia and that's it !!
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 11: 32
      +8
      You are not the only one here, believe me! hi And faith ... faith inside and God inside each has his own god ... each.

      Everyone chooses for themselves
      A woman, a religion, a road.
      Serve the devil or the prophet -
      Everyone chooses for themselves.
      Everyone chooses by themselves
      A word for love and for prayer.
      A sword for a duel, a sword for a battle
      Everyone chooses by themselves.
      Everyone chooses by themselves.
      Shield and plate, staff and patches,
      The measure of final reckoning
      Everyone chooses by themselves.
      Everyone chooses for themselves.
      We choose too - as we can.
      We have no complaints to anyone.
      Everyone chooses for himself!


      Yuri Levitansky hi
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 3 November 2013 12: 59
        +4
        Living in harmony with your faith - you are completely healthy, but if you start defending your point of view - how faith in God will make you kill, faith in UFOs - afraid of kidnapping, faith in a cup of coffee in the morning - will become the center of your universe and ruin your life . The physicist will begin to give you arguments that the sky is not blue, and the biologist will prove that the grass is not green. In the end, you will be left face to face with an empty, cold and completely unknown world, which our world most likely is. So no matter what ghosts you inhabit your world. As long as you believe in them - they exist, while you do not fight with them - they are not dangerous. "Dr. James Rogers.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 13: 14
        0
        Levitan is ideologically sustained, I put you a plus sign.
        But again, I, a sinner, remembered Timur Sultanovich Shaov: I will bring to mind excerpts from "After the 2008 crisis":
        - A lot of cod, brilliance is: Third Rome since dawn,
        Oh, what a pity it was yesterday.
        We drank a lot (there was money), but we drowned the stove with currency and spat on neighbors from the porch ...
        Flaring, the cross on the belly, life was seething, like a jacuzzi ..
        We were angry with the apparently creator!
        Exchanges closed, banks closed and the most important, our steering,
        He sits gloomily, as if after a booze, and looks frowningly, as if not his own.
        After all, we tried for you bastards, we did not spare ourselves sometimes ..
        Why did God create Americans? Some losses from them with us.
        And sympathetic authorities say: money is not happiness
        You would have spent them anyway!
        It is comforting as a patient: they say it’s not you one that’s worthless!
        There’s a bedmate died a long time ago!
        The population - part invigorates, part spits, swears
        The rest quietly fall into the spleen
        Businessmen who are not in exile scratch the poor in the back of the head.
        If it goes comb the hole.
        And you scratch, though not scratch,
        But all experts give advice:
        Drain the water, turn off the engine, dry the oars, put out the light.
        About how many wonderful discoveries still promise us time and anyway:
        It’s even useful for someone to go out into the fresh air from the casino!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 November 2013 11: 50
    +6
    I smell like blood ... How much hatred has accumulated around and weapons! Again, how will it start in the 17th?
    1. alone
      alone 3 November 2013 11: 57
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I smell like blood ... How much hatred has accumulated around and weapons! Again, how will it start in the 17th?


      I wouldn’t want to of course. And if God forbid, of course, it suddenly starts, it will be much worse than in the 17th. Believe me, I myself do not wish this to my own enemies. hi
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 3 November 2013 12: 05
        +3
        I’m also afraid to imagine ... (we’ll not swing our horses on our horses again ..)
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 12: 03
      +1
      Not, as in the twenty-first century, seriously ... until it stops, if the authorities wait ... request Mosques grow like mushrooms .. in towns and villages, and the government allocates land to them. fool
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 3 November 2013 12: 14
        +5
        It's not about mosques, but in the heads ..
        1. alone
          alone 3 November 2013 12: 31
          +1
          when there are huge social contradictions in society, when the absolute majority barely makes ends meet, and a small handful bathes in champagne, all sorts of heralds, recruiters and orators appear who begin to hammer all kinds of nonsense into people's heads. Muslims "," Hizbut-Tahrir ". The current jihadists-Wahhabis have a very powerful organizational structure, they have excellent funding, they have a program and plans on how to achieve their goals. Some here accuse Islam as a religion of being militant. But how to be those who became the Christian Wahhabis? it's not about religion, it's about social injustice. a person who has already lost his meaning resists to lawlessness, begins to look for a way out in religion, and then these emissaries are just waiting for him. They instantly process him, help finance, and then start using this person in their goals. if the society is educated, they will fail. Mostly poorly educated people fall on their hooks.
        2. Valery Neonov
          Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 12: 46
          0
          In the heads of those who hold power.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2013 13: 44
      10
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .How much hatred has accumulated around


      Look at the moment of demonstration with 1: 05 (you can skip the human rights activist’s ravings) and especially pay attention to the moment at 1: 34

      1. Apollo
        Apollo 3 November 2013 15: 42
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        Look at the moment of demonstration with 1: 05 (you can skip the human rights activist’s ravings) and especially pay attention to the moment at 1: 34

        Well here. Write ... briefly,pushed, real cattle!
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 4 November 2013 23: 29
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          Quote: Ascetic
          Look at the moment of demonstration with 1: 05 (you can skip the human rights activist’s ravings) and especially pay attention to the moment at 1: 34

          Well here. Write ... briefly,pushed, real cattle!

          Notice, this cattle does this, not on its own land, and you want the youth to see this daily, recognize the right of foreigners to host their house.? And the second, as you noticed, a Muslim woman was bonding, and what to say about you, Muslim men, I read all your comments, especially at the beginning of the thread they are deliberately emotional, and it seems to me that you specifically pedal this topic. And the one who beat and killed that unfortunate resembles this woman who professes a cult of treachery, strength and arrogance coming from impunity and does not depend on nationality or faith.
    4. smile
      smile 3 November 2013 14: 53
      +3
      MIKHAN
      Do not worry, there will be no 17 years, in order for it to repeat, it is necessary that the situation in Russia be the same. And now the situation is radically different, and not close by.
      In fact, we like to talk about the new seventeenth, the swamp wing of society, this is also an element of propaganda, something like an attempt to influence "inflationary expectations" .... I think there will be no big blood, not acceptable.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 3 November 2013 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: smile
        In fact, we like to speak about the new seventeenth with a gasp the swamp wing of society

        Good afternoon, Vladimir hi
        Not only about the seventeenth, but also so overgrown and lost fear that they talk about dismembering Russia, where the FSB and other competent authorities are looking, is not clear ?! winked
        1. smile
          smile 5 November 2013 01: 04
          0
          Apollo
          Yes, the FSB looks ... looks .... spits sometimes ... that "we are not 37 years old" ... what can you say? Reluctance to talk about this topic .... Here we sit with the whole country and look .... sawing: ((((
  • Egoza
    Egoza 3 November 2013 11: 55
    +4
    I don’t know how it is with you, but in my calendar it says that today, November 3 ...
    DAY OF MISSILE TROOPS AND ARTILLERY !!!
    DAY OF ENGINEERING TROOPS !!!
    Therefore, I congratulate you on your professional holiday! Health, good luck, happiness .... well, more money!
    Oh yes! Today is also Social Worker Day!
    In our country, they now treat respected assistants from the social sphere ... Social workers were offered when visiting residents - single, elderly, whom they help, at the same time asking who they would vote for, who would vote for the Party of Regions - put next to the number of that apartment a cross, and campaign for one! Oh, these crosses !!! Who is the signal to? request
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2013 12: 22
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      I don’t know how it is with you, but in my calendar it says that today, November 3 ...
      DAY OF MISSILE TROOPS AND ARTILLERY !!!


      You know, I am more than sure that your gunners celebrate their professional holiday in the old fashioned way, November 19th. And the Engineers celebrate Day of the Engineering Troops on January 21st.

      You can transfer them, so that "not like in Russia" it will be, but how to change the people?
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 3 November 2013 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      DAY OF MISSILE TROOPS AND ARTILLERY !!!

      Lena! This is also my holiday. But actually, it's November 19th. I suggest not to depart from tradition. And what did the Ukrainian gunners do there on November 3? Did they see a gun in some 1500 bearded years?
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 3 November 2013 11: 59
    +4
    Earlier, we add, President Assad promised to give an answer to such attacks. However, this is not the time for such a reaction: first, Syria is cooperating with the OPCW; secondly, in November a peace conference can be held to resolve the conflict. In such circumstances, Syria has its hands tied: additional conflict with Israel is contraindicated.
    Well!? The classic punch below the belt. negative

    Horsepower Corruption: 540 thousand rubles per second
    This is the power of our industry. For whatever we undertake, but at the exit the product is the same - "Vorostvo in especially large sizes". request
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 12: 49
      +1
      Oh, if it were theft ... there would be an article (158 of the Criminal Code), and so "not intended use" ...
  • wax
    wax 3 November 2013 12: 26
    +1
    Initially, historians formulated the task - to refuse the October Revolution to recognize it ...
    They decided to fill the story with Botox, and at the same time discredit the story not only as a science, but also as a chronicle.
  • starhina01
    starhina01 3 November 2013 12: 30
    +2
    huge plus per article yes I want to read a history textbook that they plan to introduce. I wonder what they wrote what
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2013 12: 56
      10
      Quote: starhina01
      I wonder what they wrote there


      Well, for example, the concept of the Tatar-Mongol yoke has been canceled with which it is completely in solidarity.
      The term "yoke", meaning the power of the Golden Horde over Russia, not found in Russian chronicles. He appeared at the junction of the XV — XVI century in Polish historical literature. The first to use it was the chronicler Jan Dlugosch (“iugum barbarum”, “iugum servitutis”) in 1479 and professor at the University of Cracow Matvey Mechowski in 1517. [3] In 1575, the term “jugo Tartarico” was used in the record of Daniel Prince about his diplomatic mission to Moscow [4]
      In Russian sources, the phrase "Tatar yoke" first appears in the 1660s. in the insert (interpolation) in one of the copies of the Tale of the Mamaev Massacre [5]. The form “Mongol-Tatar yoke”, as more correct, was first used by H. Kruse in 1817, whose book was translated into Russian and published in St. Petersburg in the middle of the XNUMXth century, since the term “Tatar yoke” is incorrect, distorting the real meaning.
      From Wikipedia
      The Golden Horde puts Russian lands under its control abandoning at the same time attempts to occupy them. In 1243, Yaroslav Vsevolodovich, who inherited the throne of Vladimir, was called to the Horde and received from Batu a label on the possession of all Russian principalities, excluding South-Western and Kievan Rus.. So began the notorious yoke. In general, the Golden Horde of Batu Khan was called Ak (White) Horde, and the eastern, which included the western territories of modern Kazakhstan and Central Asia, was Kok (Blue) Horde. the creators of the Golden Horde state were mainly the Türkic-Tatar and Mongolian elite of Genghisides, assimilated soon by the local population then his The ethnic basis was made up of various Turkic-speaking tribes: Kipchaks, Oguzes, Volga Bulgars and Tatars, who migrated from Central Asia to the West in the pre-Mongol time, as well as those who arrived in the 20s and 40s of the XNUMXth century as part of the armies of Genghis Khan and Batu Khan.
      Yoke cannot yet be called by the fact that the steppes did not try to destroy the traditional economic system and religion. Batu Khan was a pagan, his son Sartak was generally a Christian, and only under Berke the Golden Horde itself left the Mongol Empire and Islam was accepted. Under the reign of Berke, in the late 1250s, the first census of the Golden Horde was conducted and in those states that were subordinate to it, including in Russia.
      It is especially worth noting that Tolerance among the Tatar rulers was not a whim, but a style of behavior legitimized by the Great Yasa. For the first half of the XIII century, at the peak of the religious wars in the Middle East and the extermination of "heretics" and "schismatics" by fire and sword, this was a truly revolutionary piece of legislation. The Yasa text itself contains the following rules:
      "1. It is ordered to believe that there is only one god on earth, the creator of heaven and earth, that creates life and death, wealth and poverty, as he pleases and has the highest power. 2. Religious workers, doctors and body washers are exempted from all taxes. ”

      Outstanding Eurasian historian G.V. Vernadsky wrote:
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2013 13: 13
        +7
        “Following the commandments of Yasa Genghis Khan, the predecessors of Mengu-Timur did not include Russian priors, monks, priests, and priests in the number counted during the census. Now, the privileges of the clergy as a social group, including family members, were approved; church and monastery land with all the people working there did not pay tax; and all "church people" were exempted from military service. Mongol officials were forbidden, on pain of death, to take away church lands or demand the performance of any service from church people. Anyone guilty of slander and vilification of the Greek Orthodox faith was also sentenced to death. To strengthen the impact of the charter, the name of Genghis Khan was placed at its beginning. In gratitude for the privileges granted, Russian priests and monks expected them to pray to God for Mengu-Timur, his family and heirs. It was emphasized that their prayers and blessings should be zealous and sincere. "And if one of the clergy will pray with a secret thought, he will commit a sin." Thanks to this label, as well as a number of similar ones issued by the heirs of Mengu-Timur, the Russian clergy and people under its jurisdiction constituted a privileged group, and thus the foundation of church wealth was laid. Having released this label, Mengu-Timur followed the traditions of Genghis Khan and the practice of the heirs of Genghis in China, as well as other local Mongol khans. ”

        The main channel of the historical process of the development of Russian statehood did not lie in the western, captured by Latinism, Russia, but in the eastern, captured by Mongolia.Eastern Russian lands also became part of an alien - Mongolian state. However this state was a world empire, not a provincial power.This empire did not interfere with the internal cultural life of its parts - including the Russian land.
        This empire fought with its western neighbors - Lithuania, Hungary, Poland, and these neighbors were just enemies of the Russian people. The Mongol-Tatar wave supported on its crest the defense of the Russian people from the Latin West. When the Mongol empire finally collapsed, its former part, Ulus Dzhuchiev, the Golden Horde, continued the traditional policy of fighting the West. In 1380, Moscow for the first time openly opposed Sarai on Kulikovo Field and resisted. It would be far from known whether she could have stood against Lithuania without Mongolian help in those same years. Strong Lithuanian Prince Vitovt expanded his possessions more and more to the East. The big question is, without Saray’s intervention in the struggle, how the matter would end: would the center of Russian statehood be strengthened in Orthodox Moscow or in the semi-polar Vilna. The barn decided the case.

        In 1399, Vitovt’s army suffered a terrible defeat on the Vorskla River from Edigey. After this defeat, Lithuania could not recover for a long time; Latin pressure on the East has since been undermined. The historical significance of the battle at Vorskla in 1399 is no less than the battle at Vorskla no more than 300 years later (Poltava - 1709).
        The Battle of Vorskla in 1399 is one of the greatest events in Russian history, although the East Russian regiments did not participate in this battle at all, and the West Russian regiments participated on the side of Vytautas.
        G.V. Vernadsky Mongol yoke in Russian history
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        sartak generally christian

        1. Names should be written in CAPITAL letters, hence Sartak.
        2. L.N. Gumilyov mentions Sartak as a Nestorian. Therefore, for Sartak, Mary is not the Mother of God, but the Mother of God, hence the denial of the Holy Trinity. No, Sartak was NOT a Christian!
        A comment +.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 November 2013 14: 12
          +7
          Quote: 11111mail.ru
          2. L.N. Gumilyov mentions Sartak as a Nestorian. Therefore, for Sartak, Mary is not the Mother of God, but the Mother of God, hence the denial of the Holy Trinity. No, Sartak was NOT a Christian!


          You can believe Gumilev, of course, but there is another story of the Arab historian al-Jauzdani, when Sartak did not want to see his uncle Berke
          "You are a Muslim, and I profess the Christian faith; to see the face of a Muslim is a misfortune."

          In fact, it was precisely after the Mongol conquest of Russia that two parties of princes took shape, One of the Westernist papists headed by Daniil Galitsky, Mikhail Chernigovsky and Andrei Yaroslavich Vladimirsky. They agree to recognize the Pope’s supremacy in exchange for military assistance against the Mongols. The second batch, anti-Western, is headed first by Yaroslav Vsevolodovich, then by Alexander Nevsky. It is supported by the Orthodox clergy. They agree to pay tribute to the Mongols in exchange for help against external and especially internal opponents. This is the root of the division of a single people into Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians. This probably led to Westernism and Eurasianism as two streams from one small brook.
          1. starhina01
            starhina01 3 November 2013 15: 01
            +3
            thanks for the comment (lesson) undoubtedly + hi
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 3 November 2013 17: 44
              +7
              Stanislav (Ascetic), as always good on top, thanks! The steppe nomads were in force, held the answer for all; then the turn of the Slavs came. This union of Slavs and Turks must be continued - time has been tested and there are no other drinks - the western gingerbread is only appetizing in appearance, and the eastern one is flavored with spices. And only his own, such a seemingly plain and often rejected, always tasty and healthy. hi
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 17: 22
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            You are a Muslim, and I profess the Christian faith;

            The quote is 100% undeniable. Try to answer a small question: is it possible to consider a Christian a person who denies the dogma of the Holy Trinity? But he was a Nestorian. I’ll try to give you an idea - the historian who professes Islam has put the SECOND POLITICAL phrase into the mouth of Sartak.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 3 November 2013 20: 22
              +3
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              - the historian professing Islam put the SECOND POLITICAL phrase into the mouth of Sartak.

              Most likely it is. I only know that daughter with
              Sartak was married to Belozersky Prince Gleb. Her name was Theodore in my opinion. But I don’t know by birth the Christian name or after marriage. In general, Nestorianism was just common among the Turkic peoples.

              Guillaume de Rubruck, sent by the French king Louis IX for missionary and diplomatic activities, who visited the Khan’s headquarters of Sartak on the Volga in 1253, quotes the following words of Sartak’s close associates:
              Do not say that our master is a Christian, he is not a Christian, but “Moal”, since the name “Christianity” seems to them to be the name of which nation. They are extolled to such great pride that, although they may have some faith in Christ, they do not want to be called Christians, wanting their name, i.e. Moal

              WILHELM DE RUBRUK ITINERARY
            2. Yuri Y.
              Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 10: 06
              +1
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              Is it possible to consider a Christian a person who denies the dogma of the Holy Trinity

              These are just dogmas of faith, faith has not gone away. How to call it if God is Christ.
  • Lantau
    Lantau 3 November 2013 12: 34
    +4
    Quote: APES

    As one former general of the former KGB said:

    "If they start to shit there, then WE did everything right."


    Not certainly in that way. "If the West scolds us with the last words, then we are doing everything right" Andrey Gromyko
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 3 November 2013 12: 41
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    I don’t know how it is with you, but it’s written on my calendar that today, November 3 ... DAY OF ROCKET TROOPS AND ARTILLERY !!! DAY OF ENGINEERING TROOPS !!!

    Is this probably in anticipation of the release of a new history textbook holidays changed?
    Personally, I raise a glass for artillery on November 19, according to an old habit.
    What, there is one more reason? smile
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2013 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      What, there is one more reason?

      Are you a Ukrainian artilleryman?
      1. alone
        alone 3 November 2013 12: 58
        +1
        Shovels, congratulations. Your professional holiday drinks
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2013 13: 14
          +2
          No, not mine. I celebrate, as expected, the 19th.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2013 13: 25
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Are you a Ukrainian artilleryman?

        The artilleryman is more correct Ukrainian.
        1. Kars
          Kars 3 November 2013 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          No, not mine. I celebrate, as expected, the 19th

          And I am today. I’ll go to the Boguslaev Museum in the evening and drink tomato juice on my Genocide))))


          http://kriminal.tv/news/Vozle-zaporojskogo-muzeya-aviatsii-poyavilas-novaya-voen
          naya-tehnika-.html
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 14: 41
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            And I am today. I’ll go to the Boguslaev Museum in the evening and drink tomato juice on my Genocide))))

            This is patriotic. And most importantly, not like in Russia.

            By the way, in honor of what event is this date? Just poked a finger into an empty place on the calendar?
            1. Kars
              Kars 3 November 2013 14: 48
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              in honor of what event is this date?

              And in honor of what date in the Russian Federation on the 19th?
              Quote: Spade
              It is patriotic

              I haven’t seen him for a long time. I myself haven’t been to the new park yet.
              Quote: Spade
              he celebrated, as expected, on the 19th.

              In what year? And maybe he was still a citizen of the Russian Federation?
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 3 November 2013 15: 06
                +3
                Quote: Kars
                And in honor of what date in the Russian Federation on the 19th?


                On November 9, 1942, the Soviet troops launched a counteroffensive near Stalingrad. Artillery reactive systems played a key role in this counterattack. By the order of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on October 21, 1944, the merits of the gunners were marked by the establishment of the holiday - Artillery Day. In 1964, the holiday was renamed the Day of Missile Forces and Artillery. In Soviet times, we, the strategist-rocket launchers, officially celebrated this day as their holiday (on December 17 they also did not forget, but in a narrow circle). Then the secrecy was such that the abbreviation of the Strategic Missile Forces is not like a separate holiday, you will not find it anywhere in the open press. Only in 1995 Yeltsin issued a decree celebrating Strategic Rocket Forces Day on December 17.
                Ukraine marks November 3, 1943 as the beginning of the liberation of Kiev, while near Stalingrad the highest density of artillery fire was also created at the breakthrough site.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 3 November 2013 15: 19
                  +1
                  The date of November 19 was not chosen for the holiday by chance: on November 19, 1942, with a powerful artillery preparation of the Red Army, a counterattack began during the Battle of Stalingrad.


                  But did the counteroffensive near Moscow begin with clappers? Repelled an attack on Leningrad and Sevastopol?


                  In 2007, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Anatoly Stepanovich Hrytsenko in his speech dedicated to the Day of Missile Forces and Artillery, said the following:
                  “This holiday is dedicated to one of the greatest operations that was carried out on the territory of Ukraine during the Great Patriotic War. On this day in 1943, the liberation of the capital of our state from Nazi invaders began, during which for the first time during the war the highest density of artillery was created at the enemy’s breakthrough defense area, a fire roll was carried out on four lines and the artillery corps were massaged at the enemy’s resistance nodes ... maintaining constant high combat readiness, with their patriotism, professionalism and skill, rocket launchers and artillerymen enhance glorious national historical traditions and strengthen the authority of the state ...
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 3 November 2013 15: 58
                    +6
                    Quote: Kars
                    But did the counteroffensive near Moscow begin with clappers? Repelled an attack on Leningrad and Sevastopol?



                    The offensive near Moscow began on December 5, 1941, with units of the 30th Army near Konakovo without artillery bombardment and with the expectation of a complete surprise of the strikebefore you troll learn history at least It's sad to get away from such a dense. Although Svidomo excusable.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 3 November 2013 16: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      30th Army near Konakovo without artillery bombardment and with the expectation of complete surprise

                      So there was no artillery at all? And you say before Stalingrad she did not take part in the hostilities?

                      As a result, by the beginning of the counterattack, the Soviet forces included 1 thousand people, 100 guns and mortars, 7652 rocket artillery installations, 415 tanks (including 774 heavy and medium ones) and 222 aircraft
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      . Although Svidomo excusable

                      everything is excusable to me.

                      Quote: Ascetic
                      without artillery preparation

                      Maybe this is what?
                      The formations of the left flank of the 29th Army, Lieutenant General I.I. Maslennikov (from December 12, Major General V.I. Shvetsov) went on the offensive on December 5, but were unable to break through the defenses of the infantry divisions of the 9th Army.



                      On December 5, by order of the Supreme Commander, a great battle began in the area of ​​the city of Kalinin. The task assigned to the front command was not only to occupy Kalinin, defeat the Kalinin group of Germans, but also to go behind the enemy units operating against Moscow.
                      The main blow in the center - through the Volga, the 256th, 119th and 5th rifle divisions were struck, the density of artillery - only 45 guns per 1 km of the breakthrough front. At 11 o'clock on December 5, units of General Maslennikov, who defended north-west of Kalinin, went on the offensive.
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 16: 17
                        0
                        Well, it started
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 16: 33
                        -3
                        This is near Moscow. Look at the galoshes of this gendarme. By the way, the women are not very "oppressed"
                      3. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 17: 11
                        +7
                        These residents, less fortunate - apparently the fascists did not have such warm galoshes, so they took the inhabitants of Volokolamsk hostage and hung them.


                        Having liberated the Moscow region from German invaders in January 1942, our troops first saw firsthand the terrible traces of the fascist “new order”. The Hitlerites captured 37 districts of the Moscow Region for only three months, but this short-term occupation turned out to be cruel in terms of size, nature of destruction and casualties. In all 37 districts, facts of mass extermination of civilians were recorded. In the occupied territory there remained mainly old people, women with children. They had to go through terrible days. During the three months of the Nazis' stay in the suburbs, 2882 civilians were executed, more than 680 people were tortured and hanged. 22475 people were driven into slavery, of which - 11735 children under 16 years of age.
                      4. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 17: 16
                        -3
                        I never denied it. Everything was. But what about this photo? Screening? After all, it’s clear that this is realism
                      5. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 17: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: Den 11
                        I never denied it. Everything was. But what about this photo? Screening? After all, it’s clear that this is realism


                        In the soldiers 'brothels and officers' clubs and casinos in the German rear, among the staff recruited from local residents, the laughter also did not subside ... You should not conclude from this that happiness was flowing around and joy was in full swing.
                      6. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 17: 41
                        -2
                        Yes, this is all clear. I just try to look at it from all sides. Okay, there are ROA traitors. But how to look at the Lokot Republic (RONA)? Also traitors? Who did they betray, the people or the system? Or, after all, it’s not so simple. Huh? What do you think? I’m without a catch
                      7. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 17: 56
                        +1
                        You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes harvested from blackthorn, or figs from burdock? Matthew 7.16.

                        Do you know the fact of the "activity" of Kaminsky and his associates?
                      8. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 18: 03
                        -1
                        Then what kind of ... they fought with the partisans (it should be noted quite successfully). Kaminsky is understandable-nemchura. But after all, Voskoboinik can not be attributed to them. Did you try to figure this out on yourself? Are you aware that their self-government was not criminal, But the actual one? And did you know such facts that when two Hans raped a local girl, they were put into consumption (and the Gauleiter did not help)
                      9. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 18: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Den 11
                        ? And did you know such facts that when two Hans raped a local girl, they were put into consumption (and the Gauleiter did not help)


                        The Gauleiter had a choice, either to "smear" the rapists in one way or another and, as a result, in the end to fight the partisans on their own, or not to prevent the rapists from being consumed - and the discipline was pulled up and the fools were still chestnuts from the fire for him dragged to counteract the partisans.
                        Two woodcocks with one shot, as Parthenigenoss Schölenberg used to say in the famous film.
                      10. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 19: 09
                        0
                        By the way, here is RONA. Consult the Hans-sergeant major. This is the Kursk arch. Look at their faces
                      11. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 19: 28
                        +1
                        Oooh! "Consulted", this is too much. Hans-sergeant servant introduces into tactical setting and shows them on the map or terrain the order of their further actions.
                        And in appearance, they were quite snotty youths posing for the camera. They didn’t mature enough ... The Kursk Bulge is not mocking at a peaceful man.

                        Another documentary evidence of the Lokotsky experiment of Kaminsky is the acts of forensic medical examinations, which cite the facts of the mass destruction of civilians.

                        From the act of forensic medical examination of September 6, 1943: “We, the undersigned Colonel Pozhitkov F. T., Lieutenant Colonel Khvostovich N.S., Major of Justice P. Dunaevsky and military doctor of the 3rd rank A. V. Butorina, Guard Petty Officer Pozhitkov B.F. and Corporal Martynov V.G. drew up a real act in the fact that on the territory liberated from the German invaders, in the Shemyakinskaya dacha of the Brasovsky district of the Oryol region, 2 groups of Soviet citizens brutally shot on September 1943, 44 were found, fleeing in the forest from being hijacked into German slavery during the retreat of the scoundrels under the onslaught of our Red Army. A detailed examination revealed that in one group there were 16 corpses, including 6 children aged from 10 months to 21 years, in the second group - 9 corpses, including 5 children. In addition, seven corpses were found near these groups of those shot, three of them children and four women. Inspection of the corpses and confirmation of the survivors established that the brutal execution was carried out from two machine guns at a distance of 8-25 meters with explosive bullets, after which the Hitlerite scoundrels threw hand grenades at their victims, and those who still had some signs of life were finished off with rifles , as evidenced by the shell casings in the places where the machine guns stood, grenade explosions and separately lying shell casings near the corpses of the executed. The corpses are severely disfigured, many of the skulls are broken and torn off the limbs, pieces of soft tissues, the medulla from the bursting of grenades is scattered around the shot and even on the trunks and branches of trees. From the positions of the corpses, it can be seen that mothers who had babies, saving them, were pressed to their chest and covered with their bodies. <...> Hitler's monsters shot the village of der. Gavrilova Guta, Suzemsky District, Oryol Region Ivankova Anna Stepanovna, 2 years old, in front of her young children: Viti - 6 years old, Vanya - 3 years old, Klava - XNUMX years old, with a burst from a machine gun in the head, at the moment when Ivankova begged, kneeling , don't shoot her children. <...> The eldest of the kids, Vanya, and the grandmother who came up on time, who saved him, said that the Nazis, having shot their mother, gave them candy each so that the children would not cry. This act was drawn up at the place where the bodies were found in the forest of the Shemyakinskaya dacha near the village. Voronov Log, Brasovsky District, Oryol Region ".

                        http://mywebs.su/blog/history/12696.html
                      12. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 19: 39
                        0
                        Yes, they made their choice. And their fate is unenviable. If Hans is captured, he has a chance. This is 100% cordyk
                      13. Hudo
                        Hudo 3 November 2013 19: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Den 11
                        .If a hans is captured, he has a chance. This is 100%


                        Captivity? It is unlikely! The first word in Russian - and the kayuk immediately and in place. If you accidentally live to a dispute in the Special Department, then there the cunning people will be interrogated, and at once they will determine the aggravating circumstance that the young drisch is not burdened with special strategic knowledge - also a kayuk. Well, rightly so.
                      14. Day 11
                        Day 11 3 November 2013 19: 52
                        0
                        Okay, thank you for talking. We have to run. hi
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2013 18: 05
          0
          They even failed their masters.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 November 2013 16: 43
    +3
    30A at the time of the counteroffensive belonged to the Western Front. It was commanded by Major General D.D. Lelyushenko. It was she who was tasked with delivering the first blow from the southern flank of the Kalinin ledge, thereby ensuring the main strikes by the armies of the Kalinin Front (29 and 31A) in the direction of Kalinini (Tver). This episode of the 30A offensive without artillery preparation is even in the film "Battle for Moscow", as well as the feat of the sergeant in
    Vasilkova who near the village of Ryabinki threw himself on a bunker and crushed the barrel of an enemy machine gun with his chest. At the place of his feat, a memorial was built according to the project of the sculptor Vladimir Kalensky, recently this sculpture group has been updated and reconstructed.
  • Kars
    Kars 3 November 2013 16: 46
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    . This episode of the offensive

    So this is still an EPISODE? And the artillery was used in a counter-offensive near Moscow? Or not?
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 November 2013 16: 52
    +2
    In Konakovo itself was the headquarters of the 30th Army. On December 5, 1941, it was precisely the units of the 30th Army that, without artillery preparation and with the expectation of complete surprise of the attack, went on the offensive, however, the main counteroffensive of the Soviet troops near Moscow began a day later, since not all the troops managed to concentrate in the original areas. The main striking forces of the 30th Army attacked in the vicinity of the villages of Dmitrov Gora, Malye Ruchey, Urazovo, Fedorovskoye, Yuryevo. The famous local historian A.I. Basukinsky in the first post-war years made a map of the location of military units on the territory of Konakovsky district and the direction of their attacks on the enemy and their advancement over the next few days. On his map near the city of Konakovo and in the vicinity of the village of Dmitrov Gora and to the east were the 185th, 86th, 365th rifle divisions, 82nd cavalry division, 8th and 21st tank brigades. By December 10, they liberated Arkhangelsk, Novozavidovsky, Zavidovo, Kozlovo and other villages of Konakovsky district. The advancing units met with fierce resistance. The front line of defense of the German troops in the Konakovo direction was broken. On December 12, Novozavidovsky, then Zavidovo, Kozlovo were released. By December 20, the entire territory of Konakovsky district was completely cleared of invaders.


    There are military reports in the museum of local lore written by hand. Diaries and memoirs. There was. I saw. I read. From the version of Pedevikia, the 30th army of the beginning of the first and not the 6th but the 5th is somewhat different. And the Kalinin Front on the night of 5 to 6. The same version, by the way, was held by the military consul of the film. In general, there are still disputes about who was 30A under operational control specially designated Kalinin Front or remained part of the West. It is all the more strange that in the official version of the Kalinin offensive operation, with what actually the counterattack began, there is no mention of it.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 3 November 2013 16: 09
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    In what year? And maybe he was still a citizen of the Russian Federation?

    Weird question. We did not postpone the holidays of the combat arms to other dates, "so that not like the neighbors had"
    1. Kars
      Kars 3 November 2013 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      Weird question

      Strange answer.

      Quote: Kars
      he celebrated, as expected, on the 19th.
      In what year? And maybe he was still a citizen of the Russian Federation?


      if he celebrated before 2007, then he had no choice. So your mention of HIS is not clear.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2013 16: 42
        +1
        He quit RA in 2006. Lives in Odessa, a graduate of the artillery there. Artillery Day marks the 19th. I keep in touch with him. He is Ukrainian. But he was never a Ukrainian artilleryman.
        1. Kars
          Kars 3 November 2013 16: 52
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          But he was never a Ukrainian artilleryman.

          And I was never Soviet or Russian.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 16: 57
            +3
            Ukrainian artillery appeared out of nothing? Or became the heir to the artillery of the Galicia division?

            It is foolish to invent holidays from scratch just so that everything is "not like a neighbor's" or "under the Moscow occupation"
          2. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Ukrainian artillery came from nothing?

            And why do not you celebrate the appearance of artillery in the kingdom of Muscovy?
            Quote: Spade
            It is foolish to invent a holiday from scratch

            Do you think the liberation of Kiev is an empty place?
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 17: 23
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            And why do not you celebrate the appearance of artillery in the kingdom of Muscovy?

            I have not heard about the state "kingdom of Muscovy". Where is it?


            Quote: Kars
            Do you think the liberation of Kiev is an empty place?

            This is a big date. November 3 would be worth celebrating Independence Day of Ukraine.

            However, as Artillery Day, this date is not applicable.
          4. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 17: 28
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            I have not heard about the state "kingdom of Muscovy". Where is it?

            Yes, somewhere in your steppe.

            Quote: Spade
            However, as Artillery Day, this date is not applicable.

            However, on the basis of what? Do you want to say that the date of the offensive at Stalingrad is better than that? Or do you want it like that?
            Quote: Spade
            November 3 would be worth celebrating Independence Day of Ukraine.

            And then what is the day of the surrender of Kiev?
          5. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 17: 36
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            Yes, somewhere in your steppe.

            We have not only steppes. There are forests, mountains, and even tundra, but the "kingdom of Muscovy" is not and never was


            Quote: Kars
            However, on the basis of what? Do you want to say that the date of the offensive at Stalingrad is better than that?

            Because for the first time artillery had to play a decisive role in the course of a major offensive and it fulfilled its mission with honor.

            Prior to this, artillery played an auxiliary role as a means of supporting combined arms units.
          6. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 17: 49
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            We have not only the steppes. There are forests, mountains, and even the tundra, and

            swamps. do not forget the swamp.

            Quote: Spade
            Because for the first time artillery had to play a decisive role in the course of a major offensive and it fulfilled its mission with honor.


            Why is it suddenly? Without artillery, war is not war at all. And how do you determine what a DECISION is? Can artillery still ring the ring? And why precisely the OFFENSES? That the defense does not channel your way))) Just say that you want it like that. You will understand.
            Quote: Spade
            Prior to this, artillery played an auxiliary role as a means of supporting combined arms units.

            who told you such nonsense? confirm your words?

            artillery is the most important branch of troops
            artillery = god of modern warfare
            I.V. Stalin May 5, 1941
          7. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 18: 16
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            Without artillery, war is not war at all. And how do you determine what a DECISION is? Can artillery still ring the ring?

            Dear, artillery first acted as a separate branch of the army, first a successful artillery attack was carried out.

            Just don’t start again about the 20th army. I didn’t interfere with your communication, but the artillery offensive during Operation Mars was failed. The first pancake. Even the fire system could not be violated during artillery preparation. As a result, unjustifiably high losses of combined arms units.
          8. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 18: 20
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Dear, artillery for the first time acted as a separate branch of the armed forces, and for the first time a successful artillery offensive was carried out.

            Prove your words. What to substantiate?


            In the Red Army in the period from 1936 to 1942 there were the following types of troops (forces):
            Armored forces;
            Artillery;
            Air Force;
            Signal Corps;
            Railway troops;
            Engineering troops;
            Rifle troops;
            Cavalry
            Chemical troops;
            From 1943 to 1955, the following were added:
            Armored forces;
            Technical troops;
            Automotive troops;
            Radio engineering troops;
            Aviation;
          9. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 18: 29
            +3
            Dear, you should understand that there is a big difference between "being named" and "being". There are individuals who, until their death, are only called men, but never become them.

            Before the offensive at Stalingrad, artillery was only called a separate branch of the army, after it became it.
            Namely, after the first successful artillery attack
          10. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Respected

            no need to make efforts on yourself.

            Quote: Spade
            Before the offensive at Stalingrad, artillery was only called a separate branch of the army, after it became it.

            Prove. And where does the artillery attack?

            The first experience in organizing and conducting an artillery attack was obtained when the 20th Army broke through the enemy’s defense on the Lama River (during the Moscow battle of 1941-1942). The completely artillery offensive was first carried out in the counteroffensive of Soviet troops near Stalingrad (November 19, 1942) and since then it has firmly entered the practice of military operations


            But why should this mean that Artillery has become something else? Will you say that before THIS artillery didn’t exist? The gunners didn’t die? Didn’t they accomplish feats?

            By the way, here is a refutation of independence

            ensuring close interaction with the advancing rifle (tank) units (formations) and stable control of artillery, concentrated on the breakthrough site, was combined into artillery groups subordinate to combined arms commanders.
            General army submission, and interaction, what is not an auxiliary role?
            Quote: Spade
            There are individuals who, until their death, are only called men, but they never become

            I'm not interested in the problems of your personal life.
          11. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 18: 47
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            Prove. And where does the artillery attack?

            Despite the fact that this is the only type of battle in which artillery acts independently. In all other cases, it works in accordance with the instructions of combined arms commanders.


            Quote: Kars
            Quote: Spade

            There are individuals who, until their death, are only called men, but they never become
            I'm not interested in the problems of your personal life.

            laughing Actually, I didn't mean you. And what, "on the thief and the hat is on fire" (c)?
          12. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Despite the fact that this is the only type of battle in which artillery acts independently.

            Why do you think so?
            Quote: Kars
            Ensuring close cooperation with the advancing rifle (tank) units (formations) and stable control, artillery concentrated on the breakthrough site was combined into artillery groups subordinate to combined arms commanders.

            And at the same time, it cannot independently solve the main problem.
            Quote: Spade
            I actually

            So I wrote
            Quote: Kars
            I'm not interested in the problems of your personal life.
          13. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2013 19: 12
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            Why do you think so?

            Since I studied it.

            And let their authors be responsible for quotes from Wikipedia. There is a "discussion" page - ask them for clarification
          14. Kars
            Kars 3 November 2013 22: 11
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Since I studied it.

            Yes, and many others I noticed that you were poorly taught. Especially think with your own head.
            I still remember with laughter the argument about modern long-range howitzers)))
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2013 20: 07
        +8
        Quote: Spade
        Actually, I didn't mean you. And what, "on the thief and the hat is on fire" (

        The man himself admitted that it’s good to trade in fifth point in the magazines for pederasts as well as the Klitschko brothers.
      3. Kars
        Kars 3 November 2013 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        The man himself admitted that it’s good to trade in fifth point in the magazines for pederasts as well as the Klitschko brothers.

        Well, if only you would answer for your words, it would be generally good. But you should tell a lie to spit, where you need to erase it there, delete, rewrite. Moderators are such moderators))))
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 19: 24
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    it was Soviet or Russian

    Yes, probably burst, now gushing.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 3 November 2013 14: 43
    +3
    Our regimental launch was a Ukrainian artilleryman, he celebrated, as expected, the 19th.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2013 15: 48
      +7
      Quote: Spade
      Our regimental launch was a Ukrainian artilleryman, he celebrated, as expected, the 19th.


      We remember in the year 1992, our am, of whom almost half of the officers in our regiment began to receive letters with tridents to transfer the Ukrainian army.
      They read neighing the whole regiment. No one left.
      Only
      Serega P - he got around and borrowed a little money from everyone, went on vacation supposedly to probe the ground about the independent army, and bought a Niva in Ukraine at that time with our money it was possible to buy almost for nothing. Then he gave a little bit of the year to everyone, no one seemed to be indignant at the sums, then they borrowed small ones. In general, this divorce was perceived as a misunderstanding, the same Seryoga with whom they shared a piece of bread would suddenly come and say, now we are all different and our roads are diverging and I don't know you and you me too. This is an absurdity that does not fit into the head. And everyone perceived him as a make-believe and as a temporary phenomenon, as a hangover no more.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 4 November 2013 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        We remember in the year 1992, our am, of whom almost half of the officers in our regiment began to receive letters with tridents to transfer the Ukrainian army.
        They read neighing the whole regiment. No one left.

        But the Kazakhs from the Russian army still transferred en masse to Kazakhstan in the 90s. Remained mainly Kazakhs-natives of Russia. Our father’s friends often gathered at our place — almost all former Russian officers who returned to the KZ in the 90s. By the way, they made up the backbone of the power organs of Kazakhstan in those years. Then there was a clear goal to saturate the troops with ethnic Kazakh officers, since by 1991 almost all of the officers were Slavic (especially since they were not native to the Kazakh SSR), and unpleasant things constantly occurred when military units were plundered and taken away to the Russian Federation. The mess was scary because The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan had no idea what and how much is in stock. Only in the first half of the 2000s did the inventory be completed. Officers and warrant officers who left for Russia and Ukraine actually dragged everything from door handles to weapons (and even strategic bombers tried to steal in the Russian Federation). But the worst thing was not that general theft had divorced, but the fact that with the departure of officers-natives of other republics in Kazakhstan, the 300th army lost control and adequacy. Entire divisions were without commanders.
        Thank God, the then Minister of Defense (Hero of the USSR) Sagadat Nurmagambetov and First Deputy Minister of Defense Anatoly Ryabtsev (ex-commander of the 40th Army) managed to stop the robbery and laid the foundations for a normal army of the republic. Both of them, unfortunately, have recently passed away (Ryabtsev - the other day).
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 4 November 2013 18: 49
          +2
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          Both of them, unfortunately, have recently passed away (Ryabtsev - the other day).


          I didn’t know, Earth rest in peace for him. He served urgently in 781 orb 108msd 40A then Tukharinov commanded. Ryabtsev commanded just after Gromov and the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Correctly?
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 4 November 2013 21: 53
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            Ryabtsev commanded just after Gromov and the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Correctly?

            Yes, that's right - after Gromov. Ryabtsev had a hard time, many officers of the Kazakh army openly sabotaged the new realities, tried to really transfer their military units to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Ryabtsev even had to command him to open fire, if suddenly some kind of military aircraft tries to fly to Russia. Unpleasant things, of course, were then. Some officers generally considered Ryabtsev a traitor, since he did not allow the conclusion of the materiel unit in the Russian Federation. He strictly adhered to the agreements between Kazakhstan and Russia. There are articles on the internet where some ex-Kazakhstani officers, now living in Russia, write nonsense about how they allegedly stole artillery, planes, nuclear weapons from Kazakhstan, and defy Ryabtsev as an enemy of Russia. But if such a thing happened, the relations between our countries would be greatly complicated. Ryabtsev understood this and made difficult decisions for him, which turned out to be absolutely correct and fair.
            By the way, Ryabtsev, a native of the Rostov region, not only remained in Kazakhstan after 1991, but also transferred his son-officer from Russia to Kazakhstan.
            Ryabtsev in Kazakhstan is considered a worthy general; he has always been respected. An honest man of the right training, in contrast to the ex-commander of the TurkVO, or Maermanov, who warmed his hands on Kazakh-Israeli contracts, and even more so Taburetkin.
  • individual
    individual 3 November 2013 12: 47
    +4
    Patriarch Kirill made a statement on Russian domestic problems.
    We heard him.
    I would also like to hear opinions from leaders of other faiths.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: individ
      I would also like to hear opinions from leaders of other faiths.

      It’s true and important that timely Your comment followed!
      1. alone
        alone 3 November 2013 13: 01
        +1
        and the best thing would be that all the religious leaders would meet and make a joint statement! I think it would sober up the head of some citizens.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          the best thing would be that all religious leaders would meet and make a joint statement

          100% support! That would be a circus! They cannot find a common language in one denomination ... And they’ll say such a thing together!
          Quote: lonely
          I think it would sober up the head of some citizens.

          Sermons are an important tool for communication between pastors and the flock.
          Remember V.S. Vysotsky in a song about poets:
          ... he was a poet, he said that if you don’t kill, you’ll kill everywhere I’ll find a pier! But nails in his hands, so that he would not do anything, that he would not write and did not think about anything!
          The third millennium has passed since this sermon, and people are still the same and do the same. He correctly said that "my kingdom is not of this world."
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 4 November 2013 05: 06
      +1
      Quote: individ
      I would also like to hear opinions from leaders of other faiths.
      Someone from Tatarstan from the imams of the tale already. Not literally, but the meaning is this: "The titularity of the Russians should not bother or offend anyone. We speak Russian, therefore the titular nation is the Russians."
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 3 November 2013 13: 08
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Are you a Ukrainian artilleryman?

    No, the Soviet self. But you can support the guys.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2013 13: 15
      +2
      I'm not sure that the guys are delighted with this transfer.
  • individual
    individual 3 November 2013 13: 16
    +2
    Quote about the flight of the TU-160 in Nicaragua:
    "Apparently, in Washington, they began to guess that the reboot followed an abnormal trajectory ..."

    Well no.
    Everything follows a given path!
  • individual
    individual 3 November 2013 13: 32
    +1
    Quote:
    "In the new unified textbook on the history of Russia there will be no concept of a separate October Revolution. From a" great "and" socialist "it will turn into a continuation of the" Great Russian Revolution ", begun in February 1917, reports" Interfax "."

    Each new head of the herd makes a new fence and grows cabbage to his liking.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 November 2013 14: 04
    0
    Rewriting history for the sake of certain groups and ethnic groups living in Russia is an ungrateful affair. Such tolerance will distort the essence of historical events, will contribute to the emergence of confusion in the minds of contemporaries. How can the Great October Socialist Revolution be deleted from history? She had a huge impact on the development of all mankind. If specialists with a pro-Western orientation have a hand in creating a new history textbook, again we get a libel on the history of Russia
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 3 November 2013 14: 28
      +1
      All right write. How can the February and October war unite? It was a war for
      the choice of path for Russia. Or the February liberal-bourgeois, or Leninist Soviet.
      They cannot be a priori
      continuation of each other.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 3 November 2013 19: 54
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      If specialists with a pro-Western orientation have a hand in creating a new history textbook, again we get a libel on the history of Russia

      It took place in 20-30. 20th century. As part of advanced teaching. If it were not for the Second World War, then in the history of the small town spill, there would have remained: A.V. Suvorov - a chain dog of Catherine II, M.I. Kutuzov - a sleepy lazy person who gave Moscow to be burned by Napoleon’s troops. Russian Empire - a prison of peoples, etc. etc. There was even such an organization, created to eradicate the Russian (primarily) culture, PROLETKULT was called.
  • lex fim
    lex fim 3 November 2013 14: 53
    +3
    Money rules the world, and Jews have 80% of the money. That means that they will be sold as officials want. Well, what the Jews who read the Talmud want, what they want.
  • Altona
    Altona 3 November 2013 14: 55
    +4
    On ignoring the interests of the Russian people, several thoughts arose ... For the Patriarch, the presence of the Russian people is important, because it is an ethnos that cements the small peoples of Russia, it is the main bearer of Orthodoxy ... If the concept of "Russian" is finally deleted, then "dear Russians, you know, "will rush to other, alien and non-traditional beliefs and ideologies for Russia ... For the authorities, Russians are unprofitable in all respects, they get confused under the feet of arriving guest workers and prevent them from sawing the loot and selling the remnants of the USSR ... On the other hand, the authorities will have to admit that she has a Jewish oligarchy, a Caucasian horde and Russian serfs ... And she will never admit this ... Young people, by the way, are very sensitive to trends, and her demand for National Socialism does not disappear, not in vain on football In the matches, we already see the Sabbath of 80 years ago, with torches and banners with a swastika ...
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 November 2013 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: "According to some sources, they managed to eject, according to others - until the last they tried to take the car away from the apartment buildings and left the helicopter only on the ground. "
    In an amateur video, the helicopter was dropping very rapidly. And the fact that the pilots survived the merit of the designers of our aircraft. And this is the most important thing! The helicopter is a pity, but our workers will make a lot of such wonderful machines, and it is a difficult and expensive task to make a pilot.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 3 November 2013 16: 59
      0
      One bad thing is not to fly them already. People with disabilities will not be allowed
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 November 2013 17: 20
    0
    Found why to argue
  • MG42
    MG42 3 November 2013 17: 41
    +7
    Quote: Apollon
    Well here. Write ..., short, pushed, real cattle!

    And what are these called?
    Hot Chechen and Dagestan youths who came to St. Petersburg for wrestling competitions, beaten in the subway a policeman. And no one stood up for him.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 November 2013 17: 48
      +2
      Quote: MG42
      And what are these called?

      The same word as in my previous post, only in the plural.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 3 November 2013 18: 03
    0
    United Russian world

    The guys didn’t read your comments (excuse me, I’m sorry today), but I even attribute the desire to troll our (Russian-speaking) Jews to our world (first of all). Somewhere apparently we are opposing, but these are instincts based on education. A Jew without money is weak, and a Russian without an army is also not strong. I like the theory about the origin of ashkenazi in Russia, we are all from here.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 3 November 2013 18: 13
      0
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      Ashkenazi theory of origin

      Can I have a little more details?
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 3 November 2013 19: 43
    0
    Now I don’t remember, sorry. But one Hungarian Jew pushed the theory that Ashkenazis originated from Russia. Look at the wiki, it may not be right, but I am who I am.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Borz
      Borz 3 November 2013 21: 32
      +1
      The same gentleman minus me and with his submission I was given a warning (allegedly for a flood), but in reality for my comments about the events in Biryulyovo. The news was about the supply of anti-ship missiles to Azerbaijan, but, as often happens, something else was discussed (national politics, geopolitics, arming allies and satellites, relations with them) .The radical measures proposed by me and directed against the dominance and lawlessness of migrants from the south did not like this "commander." And this despite the fact that other commentators allowed themselves much more Unilateral tolerance? Prejudice against people whose views do not coincide with theirs? Or what?
  • yurii p
    yurii p 3 November 2013 22: 21
    -2
    I never believed in a communist future and all the more I do not believe this rogue promising heaven in heaven and why not now and not here, idotism, who believes in these crooks is weak in spirit, and this is not only about the Christian religion, look everyone is covered by religion, that to justify their unrighteous actions, but we must look in accordance with the HUMAN conscience, and it seems that the state and church authority have lost the HUMAN ESSENCE.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 11: 25
      0
      Religion arose precisely because a person is weak in front of the world, it is an outlet for emotions. If there is no god, then he must be invented. If you remember the 10 commandments, then the human essence entered this human thought. And it can be interpreted from "-" infinity to "+" infinity, "-" these are the early crusaders and the current Wahhabis. (- not me)
  • Platov
    Platov 3 November 2013 23: 31
    +1
    I do not approve, when adults beat children it is cruel. But who can tell me how the number of Russians in Azerbaijan has increased and the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia has decreased.
    1. alone
      alone 4 November 2013 00: 37
      +1
      Quote: PLATOV
      But who can tell me how the number of Russians in Azerbaijan has increased and the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia has decreased.


      and what does this have to do with beating a disabled boy? If there are more of ours in Russia than Russians in Azerbaijan, let your government introduce a visa regime. Can Azerbaijanis be to blame for this? Strange reasoning. The authorities of Russia are guilty in this situation. let so many people into the country))
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 November 2013 01: 21
    0
    Assuming that there are readers in the Military Review who did not have excellent geography marks at school, it is worth noting: the distance from the Nicaraguan capital to, for example, the American resort of Miami is slightly more than 1,5 thousand km. This is almost as much as from Moscow to Sochi. In this regard, one can imagine how uncomfortably our long-time “partners” from the United States felt. It has long been so close to the American borders, the freest borders in the world, that the airborne rocket carriers of the “partner” state did not fly by. Apparently, in Washington, they began to guess that the reboot went along a non-standard trajectory ...


    More often such planned flights, you see, and the Merikatos will scratch their turnips. They are not the only ones to build bases around us. And not "all the cat is a butter dish".
  • Timur
    Timur 4 November 2013 01: 41
    0
    A White House spokesman confirmed to CNN that the Israeli Air Force fighters attacked a Syrian government base near Latakia on October 31, reports the correspondent. ITAR-TASS Andrey Bekrenev.


    Damascus seems to have denied this. or cross yourself?
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 4 November 2013 04: 49
    0
    I apologize, but what does Cyril have on his shoulders?
    Are these these colors?
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 4 November 2013 10: 08
      +1
      Well, let's say the Chechen flag .. heh heh ..))) I know this nit-picking ... The Czechs on the forums already squealed with indignation ... laughing
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 11: 32
        +2
        Haha, the colors develop historically (to the Chechen Republic). In Ukraine, Orthodoxy is no longer in the spirit repeat .
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 4 November 2013 12: 48
          +1
          Some kind of heraldry, the Czechs laid this bomb cunningly ..))) The Patriarch’s every part and color of the robe tells about 1000 stories to her .. (Yudashkin’s don’t let her go anywhere ..))) winked
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 12: 52
            0
            Damn just wanted to write, the car moderator did not miss one word. I agree.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 November 2013 13: 09
    +1
    They cling to our Patriarch (Orthodoxy and the Russian people) from all sides, namely there is no finding fault .. This is normal for Russia .. we are used to it!
  • Vaskes
    Vaskes 4 November 2013 14: 07
    -1
    I love you Russia said: the mayor of N hiding a rollback in an envelope to his desk
  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 4 November 2013 17: 13
    +2
    In the new unified textbook of Russian history there will be no concept of a separate October Revolution. From “great” and “socialist,” it will turn into a continuation of the “Great Russian Revolution,” which began in February 1917, Interfax reports.
    I would correct for the great Jewish revolution. IMHO.