Shtrafbat SS (Dirlewanger Team)

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Officially there was no penalty unit in the SS structures. But all the SS men knew that the faulty member of the Black Order would atone for his fault on the Eastern Front in the Sonderkommando, commanded by Oscar Paul Dirlewanger.

This sonderkommando (special unit) originated in 1940 year. Poland defeated a year earlier, it was impossible to name Poland. In the cities there were underground groups, in the forests - partisans. It was then that Gottlob Berger, one of the deputies of Himmler, proposed the creation of a special unit dedicated exclusively to the fight against partisans. He also proposed a candidature for the new division being created - his old friend Oscar Paul Dirlewanger.

Shtrafbat SS (Dirlewanger Team)
Oscar Paul Dirlewanger with the rank of SS Oberführer, 1944


Little biography

Oscar was born in 1895 in Swabia. Called to 1913 for annual military service, he returned home as a lieutenant in 1918, with three wounds, two Iron Crosses, experience in battalion command and firm conviction that his vocation is military service, or more precisely, war.

Dirlewanger joined the freykor, participated in the suppression of the left (received another wound), joined the NSDAP and the SA, and actively participated in the 1923 Beer putsch. Possessing an aggressive and unbalanced character, he was repeatedly detained by the police for participating in street riots.
It was at this time that he met and closely converged with Berger, who later became his patron.

In the 1934 year, Dirlewanger gets the 2 of the year in prison for corrupting a minor, expelled from the party and the SA. After leaving prison, he (on the advice of his friend Bergman) submits an application to the Condor Legion and departs for Spain to fight on Franco’s side.
At 1939, Dirlewanger returns to Germany with three new awards. Through the efforts of Bergman, he was rehabilitated, reinstated in the party and the SA, adopted in the SS with the rank of Hauptsturmführer.

That's who the deputy. Himmler offered the vacant post of commander of the special unit being created, who later became the name of his commander.

Poachers team

Dirlewanger accepted the offer of Bergman, nor did hesitate for a minute. He is again in the army! And then he asked for permission to recruit his unit by persons convicted of poaching. He argued his proposal with the following considerations: these people are good arrows, excellent trackers, they know how to navigate in the forest. Poachers more than anyone else are suitable for fighting "forest bandits."

The offer fell on the prepared ground. Just recently, Hitler received a letter from the wife of one partigenosse, who was convicted of poaching. The wife of the functionary asked to give her husband the opportunity to rehabilitate. During one of the meetings with Himmler in the spring of 1940, Hitler expressed his opinion that the faithful party members have nothing to do behind the concentration camp barbed wire, and if they want to atone for their service with the Reich, they should be given that opportunity.

In the summer of 1940, the first batch of 84 people arrived in Oranienburg from Sachsenhausen. At the place of recruitment, the zoderommand team received the name “Oranienburg Poaching Team”. So in the structure of the SS arose a unit formed from convicted members of the SS and NSDAP. In the future, recruitment for the unit of recruits in prisons and concentration camps will become the basic principle of recruiting the Dirlewanger team.

The emblem of the 36 th SS Grenadier Division "Dirlewanger"


First application

In the fall of 1940, the zonder team arrived in Poland. In the governorship-general, a unit was used to block Jewish settlements and ghettos in Dzikow, Lublin and Krakow. At the same time, the Sondercommand took part in anti-partisan operations, showing its high effectiveness. The team drew the attention of the SS head and the Lublin Globocnik district police. He increasingly began to use "poachers" to fight the partisans, sending to Berlin the most flattering reviews about the sonderkommando.

Service check

At the same time, letters were sent to Berger and Himmler about indescribable atrocities of the unit. To verify the incoming signals, SS Untersturmuführer Konrad Morgen arrived in Lublin, who revealed numerous cases of beating, extortion, robbery, rape, murder committed by members of the unit during the inspection. In his final report, Morgen considered it necessary to arrest Dirlewanger himself, and bring the members of his team back to the camp. Even from the point of view of a lawyer, the SS unit was not so much a military unit as a gangster formation.
And what do you think, what decision did the SS leadership take? Oscar Dirlewanger was given the title of Sturmbanführer, his team was reassigned directly to the headquarters of the Reichsführer SS and in January 1942 was sent to Belarus.

Achtung! Partizanen!

The guerrilla movement in Belarus to the 1942 year already created a serious threat to the Wehrmacht’s logistic support system. The number of individual units reached hundreds and even thousands of people. In service with the partisans there was not only small weapon, but also machine guns, field guns, anti-tank artillery, anti-aircraft mounts, mortars, howitzers and there were even Tanks! The units were commanded by professional military personnel who had undergone special training in the structures of the NKVD. The activities of the units were coordinated by the Central headquarters of the partisan movement, located in Moscow.

To liquidate the partisans, the Nazis conducted large-scale military operations involving Wehrmacht units reinforced with artillery, armored vehicles, aviation and tanks. These operations were a hell for German soldiers. Anti-partisan action was fundamentally different from fighting on the Eastern Front. The front line as such did not exist. Forests made use of aircraft senseless. Military intelligence was powerless. The lack of roads and wetlands did not allow the widespread use of military equipment. The battles were fierce, none of the parties took prisoners.

The executioner of Belarus

Zonderkommand "Dirlewanger" participated in most ongoing large-scale operations, always receiving the highest ratings from the leaders of the operation. Dirlewanger himself more than once went on the attack in the first chain of attackers and personally shot even those who were hesitant.

The unit not only participated in military operations, but also carried out tasks unique to it. Rangers of Dirlewanger tracked down partisans, determined their deployment and basing sites (this is where the poaching experience came in handy!), Attacked guerrilla columns marching and performed “specific” tasks — punitive operations.



"Specific Tasks"

Here are just some of the dry lines of the battalion's results report: “2 guerrilla and 176 suspects were shot,” “1 guerrilla and 287 accomplices were shot.” Each village, suspected of sympathizing with the partisans, was destroyed along with the inhabitants. Dirlewanger constantly petitioned for additional acquisition of his unit with flamethrowers.

The entire team of Dirlewanger was burned along with residents of more than 180 villages. Even if the village was not destroyed, livestock were confiscated, farm buildings and fodder were burned, a healthy population was hijacked to forced labor. The dead desert remained in the full sense behind the Sonderkommando.

Foreign volunteers

Achieving high results, the team (since November 1942 - Sonderbattalion) suffered high losses. In addition to poachers, they began sending convicts for smuggling, illegal possession of weapons and even just a criminal mob to the unit. But even this stuff was not enough, and in the spring of 1942, Dirlewanger achieved permission to form two companies in the battalion staffed by foreign volunteers. In the composition of the so-called. “Russian companies” were Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and representatives of other peoples of the USSR.

Note: On 30 on April 1943, 569 was listed as a Zonbattalian, of whom 367 was not German, in May the number of the battalion was increased to 612, and in June 1943 there were already 760 in the battalion.

2 May 1943 Mr. Dirlewanger was awarded the title of Obersturmmbanführer SS for his successes in the fight against partisans.

Eastern front

In November, 1943, the Red Army broke through the front and began to attack Vitebsk. The Germans plugged the hole with everything that was at hand. So the unit (already a regiment) turned out to be on the Eastern Front. "Poachers" were in an unusual situation for themselves. The experience acquired by them in the course of the anti-partisan struggle in the front-line conditions turned out to be absolutely useless. Part of the loss.

By January 1944, the regiment was cut by almost half. Not only criminals, but also “asocial elements”, in particular, those convicted of homosexuality and even political prisoners, come to replenish them. In May, the subdivision has an amazing “hodgepodge”: Latvians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Russians, Spaniards, Muslims and Caucasians. But the Germans remain the backbone of the battalion.

And in the rear of the Hitlerites at this time, on the eve of liberation, partisans are becoming more active. The regiment was removed from the front and returned to Belarus, because neither the Wehrmacht nor the SS had a unit equal to the "poachers" in terms of effectiveness (and cruelty) in the conduct of the anti-partisan struggle. Therefore, when an uprising broke out in Warsaw 1 on August 1944 of the year, one of the first to suppress it was the regiment under the command of the standard SS Dirlewanger.




Warsaw Massacre

Upon arrival in Warsaw, the regiment consisted of 881 people. (During the anti-partisan operations "Spring Festival", "Rain" and others. The regiment suffered heavy losses). In the first days, the first batch of prisoners from the camps in Mattskau and Danzig arrived to hold the SS convicts. In an effort to rehabilitate themselves, the arriving recruits did not spare anyone; they fought with cruelty and ruthlessness. Where the situation seemed hopeless, the Dirlewanger team appeared, the fighters of which immediately went to the assault, regardless of the losses. If there was an opportunity, they went on the attack under the guise of a human shield of women and children. No prisoners were taken, civilians were shot — all, regardless of gender or age. Hospitals were burned along with inexperienced patients and staff.

Sonderkommanda promotion was the fastest, the actions - the most successful, but accompanied by the highest losses. Despite the fact that during the suppression of the uprising, 2500 people arrived at the regiment, by the time the rebels surrendered (2 in October 1944), DNLXX left the people. Regiment losses exceeded 648%. The commander of the sonder regiment himself, who again personally led his people to the attack, received another (300) wound, Knight’s Cross and the title of SS Oberführer. Replenished with prisoners from Sachsenhausen, Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald and receiving the status of the SS brigade, the unit left for Slovakia to suppress the uprising that broke out there.

Report on what was done in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising


End of the Dirlewanger Team

In February, the 1945 year after the fighting in Slovakia and Hungary, the brigade arrived near the town of Guben (Brandenburg). It was necessary to fight already in Germany. By order from February 14, the 36-I SS Grenadier Division was formed on the basis of the brigade, and a day later the division commander, who once again personally led the counterattack, was wounded and left for the hospital. He never returned to the division.

Fritz Schmedes, who took part after the Red Army broke through 16 on April of the front in Silesia, considered it his main task to hand over the division to the Americans as soon as possible. Breaking away from the Soviet troops, he left the Elbe. By the time, only scraps remained from the division. For example, in the 73 regiment there were 36 people. The same picture was in the remaining divisions. However, the surrender to the Americans was not a salvation for the "poachers". Soldiers wearing a patch with a depiction of two crossed grenades on their sleeves were shot by Americans without ceremony.



The end of the ober executioner

Dirlewanger himself was detained in Altshausen by a French patrol, identified, arrested and put in a local prison. The guards in the prison were carried by the Poles. They knew who Dirlewanger was and were not going to forgive him anything: neither the executed Polish partisans, nor the dead participants of the Warsaw Uprising. For several nights, they led the prisoner into the corridor and, as they say, "took away the soul." On the last night, before they were to be replaced by a new guard, the Poles smashed the ober-executioner head with the butts. And although the act itself is not very beautiful, but unless someone condemns them?
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  1. +47
    11 October 2013 09: 15
    They knew who Dirlewanger was and did not intend to forgive him anything: neither the executed Polish partisans, nor the dead participants in the Warsaw uprising. Over the course of several nights, they led the prisoner out into the corridor and, as they say, “took the soul”. On the last night, before they were to be replaced by a new guard, the Poles smashed the head executioner with rifle butts. And although the act itself is not very beautiful, but who will condemn them?

    Blame? Yes, I applaud them mentally. Otherwise, by a court verdict in Germany, I would have received 10, served 5 and went to write memoirs in some warm Spain, living on a rather old veteran Bundes pension,
    1. Gennady1973
      +26
      11 October 2013 10: 20
      Exactly! In the Baltic States, old SSesovtsy are kondylyat on the roads. Normal act. And what about ethics, what would you, as men, do to a "man" who killed your loved ones?
      1. +5
        12 October 2013 00: 07
        aah, the old executioner dirlewanger? and they did the right thing to smash his dumb Nazi head with rifle butts. He can still be said easily got off. He had to be pulled out of the skin alive for the work of this dog and his mongrel
      2. sasha127
        +3
        12 October 2013 13: 51
        Yes, what kind of ethics is there, the Sabaque death of a saber.
    2. StolzSS
      +4
      12 October 2013 00: 32
      I am sure that in the place of those Poles the majority would have done the same ...
  2. +14
    11 October 2013 09: 16
    In battle, it is necessary to break the head of the enemy, and the prisoner to judge and punish according to the laws. The SS man is certainly not sorry for this, he got his, but the Poles showed their essence quite frankly.
    1. +15
      11 October 2013 09: 33
      Quote: svskor80
      The SS man is certainly not sorry for this, he got his, but the Poles showed their essence quite frankly.

      I can't blame them. And in the photo of the face of frank M. razi.
      1. +2
        12 October 2013 00: 08
        the word M.raz him like a balm for the soul)) scumbag he finished
    2. gsg955
      0
      11 October 2013 11: 33
      Psheks are much unarmed, and how many of ours were killed in 1920. in concentration camps. So thanks to Stalin for Katyn.
      1. andrey1508
        0
        11 October 2013 13: 20
        Every trash is enough in every nation. Stalin needs to be thanked for 37 years - he cut out the fifth column in the country, which remembered the civil war.
        1. +7
          11 October 2013 15: 06
          Quote: andrey1508
          he carved the fifth column in a country that remembered the civil war.

          And the other "columns" did not remember the civil one? Have they lost their memory?
        2. BBM
          BBM
          -7
          11 October 2013 17: 32
          it is a pity that your ancestors were not part of the destroyed.
        3. goldfinger
          +3
          11 October 2013 20: 03
          Quote: andrey1508
          Every trash is enough in every nation. Stalin needs to be thanked for 37 years - he cut out the fifth column in the country, which remembered the civil war.

          I can not resist, let banyat. Well, you scum!
          Themselves, I suppose you would have rushed to the "cutters" team?
          Because of such "cutters" and shy away from Russia.
          It’s a pity, your ancestors didn’t fall into the fifth column, all of them were probably in the cutters. An apple from an apple tree ...
          1. pavlo
            -5
            12 October 2013 00: 00
            Ass did not give a word!
          2. peter_shchurov
            -2
            12 October 2013 13: 34
            And I somehow do not feel sorry for those who participated in the Civil War, got what they deserved, creatures.
          3. catapractic
            +1
            13 October 2013 11: 21
            not about all in one measure.
        4. pavlo
          -1
          11 October 2013 23: 59
          Well, not Stalin, Yezhov!
          1. catapractic
            0
            13 October 2013 11: 23
            the owner is responsible for the dog
      2. +6
        11 October 2013 13: 22
        Stalin did not answer for Katyn, it was not his work, not our hands at all.
        1. catapractic
          0
          13 October 2013 11: 23
          however to the point
      3. +4
        11 October 2013 14: 55
        do not hang on Comrade Stalin Katyn.
      4. +8
        11 October 2013 17: 00
        The concentration camps were not for the isolation of prisoners, not for work, but for death, the Slavic brothers came up with for the Russians. Starved to death. Where is the burial place? Russia released the Czechs - the result? The theft of gold and the surrender of Kolchak. Brothers Slavs betray at any time. There are Russians (not by ethnicity), there are speakers of Slavic languages ​​...
        1. +3
          11 October 2013 18: 08
          Quote: VADIMKRSK
          The concentration camps were not for the isolation of prisoners, not for work, but for death, the Slavic brothers came up with for the Russians. Starved to death.


          Wow! And I thought the British were for the Boers.
          1. brr7710
            +2
            11 October 2013 20: 52
            Wow! And I thought that the British for the Boers. [/ Quote]

            The British are someone else, but the rest have improved the original version, so to speak!
        2. brr7710
          0
          11 October 2013 20: 51
          [qThere are Russians (not by ethnicity), there are speakers of Slavic languages ​​... [/ quote]

          I completely agree with this !!!
          How many times the Slav brothers were supported, and ended with "pogroms" in our homeland.
      5. -1
        11 October 2013 19: 36
        Quote: gsg955
        Psheks are much unarmed, and how many of ours were killed in 1920. in concentration camps. So thanks to Stalin for Katyn.

        Those. the Poles were only unarmed, but ours in Katyn were shot dead. But actually in the article about the uprising in Warsaw it is written where the Poles fought selflessly.
      6. brr7710
        0
        11 October 2013 20: 47
        Quote: gsg955
        Psheks are much unarmed, and how many of ours were killed in 1920. in concentration camps. So thanks to Stalin for Katyn.


        I don’t say that Stalin is guilty of the Katyn Tragedy, but I completely agree with you on determining the essence of psheks !!!
      7. catapractic
        0
        13 October 2013 11: 19
        if she certainly was ...
    3. andrey1508
      +19
      11 October 2013 13: 18
      Whoever fought by the rules is the one to be judged by the law of war. And who burned the civilian population and released the guts to parents in front of the eyes of children - you can’t spare, this is a mad dog.
    4. +9
      11 October 2013 15: 08
      Quote: svskor80
      In battle, it is necessary to break the head of the enemy, and the prisoner to judge and punish by the laws.

      They still treated him kindly. It was necessary to strip off the skin of the snow alive and maintain in consciousness, longer, a month, so that he lost his mind.
      1. +4
        11 October 2013 17: 20
        Sadism. But for my children, I would have come up with something ..... And the law is also good - for life and protection from the crime scene.
      2. vlad0
        0
        11 October 2013 18: 51
        ABOUT! Poles know how to do it! In 45-47, they "ripped apart" many of our soldiers and officers from the Polish contingent. Especially the pilots got it. A friend's grandfather served there in those years, so he hated psheks for life.
      3. catapractic
        +1
        13 October 2013 11: 27
        ss are not combatants, but war criminals cry on them
  3. +9
    11 October 2013 09: 21
    Recently in Germany there is a tendency to blame the victims of the occupation entirely on such parts of the renegades.
    1. brr7710
      -2
      11 October 2013 20: 55
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Recently in Germany there is a tendency to blame the victims of the occupation entirely on such parts of the renegades.


      just about, it’s better to blame others, and so we are peaceful Germans, Evil Hitler is to blame for everything !!!
    2. Dober
      +1
      12 October 2013 04: 47
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Recently in Germany there is a tendency to blame the victims of the occupation entirely on such parts of the renegades.

      Have you, Rinat, "recently" lived at least to some extent in Bundasia? So that among the Germans ... to eat, drink, work, rest and all that?
      If so, do you understand them well?
    3. catapractic
      0
      13 October 2013 11: 28
      Of course it’s easier and calmer for conscience
  4. Kovrovsky
    +15
    11 October 2013 09: 35
    On the last night, before they were to be replaced by a new guard, the Poles smashed the head executioner with rifle butts.

    The logical ending of the executioner and the sadist! Derlivanger's "brother-in-arms" was Bronislaw Kaminsky, also a famous executioner, who took part with his brigade in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising. The Germans, struck by its cruelty and atrocities, destroyed it themselves.
    1. +11
      11 October 2013 12: 06
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      Derlivanger's brother-in-arms was Bronislaw Kaminsky, also a famous executioner, who took part with his brigade in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising. The Germans, amazed by its cruelty and atrocities, destroyed it themselves.

      Not certainly in that way. As far as I remember, not only Germans banged Kaminsky, he was beaten by the ESECA, i.e. even for them the level of atrocities turned out to be prohibitive.
      What could be outrageous for SS men - I hardly have enough imagination for that. I have no doubt that Herr Kaminsky, in the next world, got a quick and enterprising service, and a high-quality frying pan. There seems to be a reward for business, "we are not 37 years old" no one will say ...
      1. pawel57
        +2
        11 October 2013 19: 52
        the thing is dark. Many write that between Kaminsky and ss I don’t remember the last name there have long been hostile relations. The German took advantage of the situation and killed Kaminsky. Having been captured, he gave out to mitigate his fate as the destruction of a terrible punisher by him. no witnesses. Kaminsky was respected by Himler and his subordinates.
        1. 0
          11 October 2013 20: 02
          You still don’t know the biography of Meletiy Zykov! A Soviet Jew, circumcised according to all the canons of Judaism. He joined the service of Hitler. That's the secret of World War II - a super secret! How so? You’ll understand the hell --- but the fact! Read
          1. 0
            11 October 2013 20: 18
            Maybe our comrades from Israel will clarify something on this type? Too dark personality.
        2. +1
          11 October 2013 21: 05
          Quote: pawel57
          dark thing

          Absolutely agree
          Quote: pawel57
          Many write that between Kaminsky and ss I don’t remember the last name there have long been hostile relations. The German took advantage of the situation and killed Kaminsky

          But once I took advantage of the situation, it turns out that there was something to use? After all, just taking it and banging would probably not have gotten away with it? Apparently Kaminsky did something so that there were formal grounds for its elimination, suitable even for the SS, and this says a lot
    2. 0
      11 October 2013 23: 35
      This comrade in 1935 was expelled from the CPSU (b) for criticizing collectivization, in August 1937 he was arrested and convicted allegedly for belonging to the Chayanov counter-revolutionary group (“Labor Peasant Party”). Initially serving a link in with. Suerka of the Uporovsky district of the Omsk region (now the Tyumen region), then a technologist for alcohol production at Sharashka in Shadrinsk. March 28, 1940 was recruited by the Shadrinsky department of the NKVD under the nickname "Ultramarine" for the development of exiled Trotskyists. In early 1941, he was released and sent to a settlement in Lokot. Before the war, he worked at the distillery in Lokta. On October 4, 1941, German troops occupied the village of Lokot, Oryol Oblast (now it belongs to the Bryansk). It would be better shot.
  5. +12
    11 October 2013 09: 38
    “For several nights they took the prisoner out into the corridor and, as they say,“ took the soul away. ”On the last night, before they were to be replaced by the new composition of the guard, the Poles smashed the head of the executioner with rifle butts. And although the act itself was not very handsome, but who can blame them? "

    - That's right, the dog - dog death.
  6. malikszh
    0
    11 October 2013 09: 39
    Loss of the regiment exceeded 300% - how so 300%? 100% is the maximum?
    1. +4
      11 October 2013 10: 08
      The regiment was constantly replenished
  7. +7
    11 October 2013 10: 19
    Quote: svskor80
    In battle, it is necessary to break the head of the enemy, and the prisoner to judge and punish according to the laws. The SS man is certainly not sorry for this, he got his, but the Poles showed their essence quite frankly.

    And in my opinion the Poles did the right thing. For the villain and flour.
  8. +4
    11 October 2013 10: 55
    It’s scary to imagine that such scum could live up to now.
    1. catapractic
      0
      13 October 2013 11: 32
      many survived look at the Baltic
  9. +2
    11 October 2013 11: 04
    There is a "rain man". Defendant - "man of war". Personal example and 12 wounds speak for themselves. Well, I got what I deserved.
  10. +7
    11 October 2013 11: 34
    Too easy for such a monster. In the vat with boiling oil, it is his place, after noble lyuli, of course.

    Hospitals were burned along with non-walking patients and staff.

    That's what I watch in German modern TV shows. Frozen Soviet soldiers are killing, robbing and raping Germans in hospitals (I don’t remember what kind of series: I watched it was distorted). They transfer their own story of incredible cruelty to the Russians. Of course, there was everything from our side, but on a much smaller scale. And indeed they asked for it themselves. After such a desire, there is no particular need to understand who is right and who is wrong.
    1. Lech from our city
      +6
      11 October 2013 12: 14
      This series is called OUR FATHER and MOTHER.
      The Germans in the modern version are trying to whitewash their ancestors and show our soldiers rapists.
      There is an attempt to rewrite the HISTORY.
      The only plus of this film is the battle scenes shown beautifully.
    2. Lech from our city
      +2
      11 October 2013 12: 19
      in reality, everything looked like this nonsense near our executed soldier
      1. -3
        11 October 2013 19: 53
        You shouldn’t expose this Lyokha. Do you know what the plus of our system at that time? The fact that they had a camera (everyone could afford it). We had everything strictly (accountable). They took a lot and gladly war and sent pictures to their homeland (after a little censorship). And our soldier did not have such, only officially appointed correspondents. The meaning is clear? That's why a lot of their "crap" still pops up, but ours is only in memory veterans.
        1. 0
          11 October 2013 20: 55
          Quote: Den 11
          You shouldn’t expose this Lyokha. Do you know what the plus of our system at that time? The fact that they had a camera (everyone could afford it). We had everything strictly (accountable). They took a lot and gladly war and sent pictures to their homeland (after a little censorship). And our soldier did not have such, only officially appointed correspondents. The meaning is clear? That's why a lot of their "crap" still pops up, but ours is only in memory veterans.

          There is one more circumstance. On an Internet walks a lot of pictures that have been changed. These are those where the Nazis are depicted laughing next to the hanged.
          There were real pictures and those that were taken. Of course, there were executions. But it is doubtful that there were a large number of people who want to be photographed against this background, and even with a smile. Well, then the interpretation of the pictures - who did it. They could have been shot underground workers, but write that a civilian, a soldier was killed in battle, the signature was shot. Did the photographers themselves do it. My great-grandfather and great-grandmother, along with another 0 people, were shot by policemen in the Smolensk region. But somehow no one took pictures. As far as I understood, it was a common practice - not to mess with yourself, but to "entrust this" heroic "business to the local - Russians, Balts, Ukrainians (I don't know about Belarusians)
          1. +1
            11 October 2013 21: 06
            Absolutely, old man, right! What I’m trying to prove on this site! There was a lot of shit on both sides. They just had a lot of cameras, and we got 0 (among the rank and file). That's where it all went ... About Photoshop -separate topic (VERY much). Fake-nemeryano !!!
        2. brr7710
          0
          11 October 2013 21: 01
          Quote: Den 11
          You shouldn’t expose this Lyokha. Do you know what the plus of our system at that time? The fact that they had a camera (everyone could afford it). We had everything strictly (accountable). They took a lot and gladly war and sent pictures to their homeland (after a little censorship). And our soldier did not have such, only officially appointed correspondents. The meaning is clear? That's why a lot of their "crap" still pops up, but ours is only in memory veterans.


          I don't even want to support Vasily, no. On the one hand, you are right, on the other hand, you are “morally” wrong.
        3. Lech from our city
          0
          12 October 2013 00: 33
          Hello Dan.
          I believe, on the contrary, the more information people get about those times, the easier it will be for them to understand what is happening then and in the modern world.
          As for the cameras, yes you are right, there was a skew; nevertheless, these pictures are a document
          Further, with regard to fakes, I try to weed out such pictures and show them only as a talented work of psychological war experts.
          1. 0
            12 October 2013 00: 40
            I agree with you Aleksey. Just need to somehow try to get to the truth! After all, for a very long time and mournfully, they "washed" our brains with the same thing. Do you agree with me?
            1. Lech from our city
              +1
              12 October 2013 01: 01
              It is difficult to be impartial when studying such things in the midst of a ton of rubbish; you find grains of real information; it is just worth its weight in gold.
    3. 0
      11 October 2013 15: 11
      Quote: Sunjar
      That's what I watch in German modern TV series, frostbitten Soviet soldiers kill, rob

      Our Germans were repaid with the same coin, crushed sanoboz with caterpillars, drowned sanitary transports, they gave little else, from Germany it was necessary not to leave a stone unturned, not to let go of Germans in the 53rd, so they died in our mines.
      1. +2
        11 October 2013 17: 44
        Something you Uncle is very angry. Old grievances? Both grandfathers fought, and cousins ​​too ... Starting with the Finns. The Germans built a lot in Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk - for example, a paper mill. My uncle (M.S. wrestling) had a good relationship with the Germans. And nonhumans in a cage and on display to others. Suddenly, who spit? Security will turn away. For life.
        1. brr7710
          0
          11 October 2013 21: 03
          [quote = VADIMKRSK] Something You Uncle is very angry. Old OA nonhumans in a cage and on display to others. Suddenly, who spit? Security will turn away. For life.


          And what do you know about life imprisonment?
  11. +8
    11 October 2013 11: 50
    Now look at the discipline of the Poles, and compare it with the discipline in our Soviet army: we have SUCH war criminals who survived before the trial (it’s another matter that we would have one sentence for people like Dirlewanger, unlike our allies).
    Although, of course, it is difficult to condemn Poles here.
    By the way, if anyone has seen the film "Or and See", it shows a punitive action in a Belarusian village. Surely the "fighters" from the Dirlewanger unit are shown there. I suppose as an image.
    1. sq
      +4
      11 October 2013 12: 18
      Quote: Fuzeler
      the film "Or and See", which shows a punitive action in a Belarusian village

      In fact, it was worse. No wonder the old people do not like to remember life in the occupation.
    2. Lech from our city
      +3
      11 October 2013 12: 20
      Cultured Germans entering a foreign village began their activities with the SHOT.
      1. wax
        +15
        11 October 2013 14: 03
        A huge number of such pictures, taken by the Nazi soldiers and officers themselves, unequivocally say that they did not consider the Russians people. This is how hunters are filmed against the background of their trophies. And here it doesn't even smell of any hunting, just murder for the sake of freeing the territory from subhumans. This is a fact, for the negation of which a criminal article should be introduced. And then the "filmmakers" too zealously seek different "sentimental" stories of love and philosophical reflections from the scoundrels, naturally and deservedly trampled into the ground by a Soviet soldier.
      2. catapractic
        0
        13 October 2013 11: 34
        Europeans - civilization is immediately visible
    3. pawel57
      0
      11 October 2013 19: 59
      There were also Poles. When shooting the film, the Ukrainian leadership requested that there be only Germans. Yes, German leadership and control.
  12. +3
    11 October 2013 12: 11
    Dog canine death.
  13. +2
    11 October 2013 12: 13
    even among the Reich fines, they were considered thugs hi
  14. +2
    11 October 2013 13: 38
    Among Americans and Poles there were many good people in those years. They did not tolerate all scum, they exterminated.
    By the way, in one photo there are such really bestial muzzles that it’s already chill on the back.
  15. vlad0
    +1
    11 October 2013 19: 03
    Frostbite. And people matched him. Apparently, Germany has never had big problems with such a rabble. The worst thing is that now the nemchura is trying to "wash away" everything. So far, only in front of themselves, but very active. One of the versions that they drum into their schoolchildren and migrants: the wrong people themselves overthrew Hitler in 44, and then surrendered to the Americans. And the victory of the Russians is Soviet propaganda. And the worst thing is that many people believe in it. Apparently, the 4th Reich is not far off, and the world will still see the face of German fascism.
    1. -6
      11 October 2013 19: 14
      Quote: vlad0
      . And the victory of the Russians is Soviet propaganda.

      YOU are scumbag ...
      1. vlad0
        +1
        11 October 2013 19: 25
        Respected! Participate in the forum in a sober state!
        1. 0
          12 October 2013 10: 03
          Quote: vlad0
          Respected! Participate in the forum in a sober state!

          Arguing about "sanity" would support their comments with REAL examples from textbooks ...
          The history textbooks published in the USA and the European Union are a LOT of falsehood, but not so much as you have cited. It is more logical to reproach them for the "streamlined" wording and manipulation of key facts (moments of history) ...

          It would be fairer to attribute your comment to "alternative sources", really active (and efficient! request ) "brainwashing" western "people"
      2. 0
        11 October 2013 19: 56
        YOU are scumbag ...

        slapped a minus for the inability to read.
    2. +3
      11 October 2013 19: 48
      Quote: vlad0
      Frostbite. And people matched him. Apparently, Germany has never had big problems with such a rabble. The worst thing is that now the nemchura is trying to "wash away" everything. So far, only in front of themselves, but very active. One of the versions that they drum into their schoolchildren and migrants: the wrong people themselves overthrew Hitler in 44, and then surrendered to the Americans. And the victory of the Russians is Soviet propaganda. And the worst thing is that many people believe in it. Apparently, the 4th Reich is not far off, and the world will still see the face of German fascism.

      I wonder where you get such information. I have a German niece's husband. So he knows everything perfectly and at school they are inculcated with aversion to fascism. But scum is in any country. Where are we from the Nazis? Are they something to rewrite, what story? Just scum. And the German chancellors travel to former concentration camps, make penitential speeches and kneel down in the literal sense (in my opinion this is Willy Brandt, but I could be wrong). Here we all feed on some rumors - one woman said. Here someone would have cited excerpts from the history books of England, the USA, Germany and looked.
      1. vlad0
        +1
        11 October 2013 21: 00
        One old acquaintance from Germany arrived last year, got married and drove away
        6 years ago there for permanent residence. So she "enlightened" us, accusing us of "ignorance, limited views", etc. And she was very happy that her son, who was born in the Russian Federation, is now teaching "normal" history. And she believes in it to the point of madness, but she considers us miserable. Like this!
        1. Dober
          +1
          12 October 2013 05: 06
          Quote: vlad0
          And she believes in it to madness, and considers us poor. Like this!

          Rare du.ra. Exclusive!
          I would understand her if I was married to a Muslim. Those. "I fell under the boots of my husband," and so Russian women will drive the entire German family under the sofa in three generations, without even breaking their voice.
          Emancipation and gender equality here ...
          I also have one boy born in Russia, another is already here.
          Now my wife and I are in such a stupor ...
      2. brr7710
        0
        11 October 2013 21: 08
        Quote: DoctorOleg

        Here someone would have cited excerpts from the history books of England, the USA, Germany and looked.


        You know, but I don’t believe them
    3. Dober
      +2
      12 October 2013 04: 56
      Quote: vlad0
      One of the versions that they grind to their schoolchildren and migrants: the German people overthrew Hitler in 44, and then surrendered to the Americans.

      Nonsense! There are textbooks in the next room, on which the boys are engaged. They certainly differ from the Russian ones. Cardinally !!!
      But not as you imagine.
      But I didn't understand about the migrants. Why do Turks, Pakistanis or Iraqis need the history of the Second World War? And how can I "hammer in" if I downloaded the textbooks of the USSR (even 4 versions of the Primer) in almost all subjects from the 40-50s to the early 90s?
  16. +2
    11 October 2013 19: 11
    It is strange that even the mattress covers did not spare the glorious fighters of the Wehrmacht with subhumans. An amazing fact, but our "democratic friends", who welcomed the German units with open arms, poisoned the personnel of the SS division with lead. Apparently, Himmler's pets did a good job. And I do not blame the Poles at all, I even support them - such scum cannot be judged by human laws, they are not people. Although the Poles turned out to be liberals and champions of humanism, it was necessary to give this to experiments. Would bring at least some benefit. The battalion commander was clearly frostbitten and crazy. In addition, he turned out to be amazingly lucky and tenacious. The number of injuries speaks for itself. It is a pity that he had not been shot back in the First World War. And he has a peculiar appearance in the photograph.
    1. 0
      11 October 2013 19: 54
      Quote: Jager
      It is strange that even the mattress covers did not spare the glorious fighters of the Wehrmacht with subhumans. An amazing fact, but our "democratic friends", who welcomed the German units with open arms, poisoned the personnel of the SS division with lead. Apparently, Himmler's pets did a good job. And I do not blame the Poles at all, I even support them - such scum cannot be judged by human laws, they are not people. Although the Poles turned out to be liberals and champions of humanism, it was necessary to give this to experiments. Would bring at least some benefit. The battalion commander was clearly frostbitten and crazy. In addition, he turned out to be amazingly lucky and tenacious. The number of injuries speaks for itself. It is a pity that he had not been shot back in the First World War. And he has a peculiar appearance in the photograph.

      The fact that the Allies greatly loved the Germans is a myth. They shot them well, especially at the beginning. And then too. After Nuremberg, there were several smaller trials of cones. Even when the process was being prepared, the legal norms were easily changed so that the fascist bosses could not hide behind the intricacies of laws. The executioners were given where they committed crimes - to Poland, the Czech Republic, Russia, where the gallows were waiting for them .
      1. brr7710
        0
        11 October 2013 21: 12
        The fact that the Allies greatly loved the Germans is a myth. They shot them well, especially at the beginning. And then too. After Nuremberg, there were several smaller trials of cones. Even when the process was being prepared, the legal norms were easily changed so that the fascist bosses could not hide behind the intricacies of laws. The executioners were given where they committed crimes - to Poland, the Czech Republic, Russia, where the gallows were waiting for them . [/ quote]

        Something they did not give Hess, although at that time ALLIES to us !!!
  17. 0
    11 October 2013 19: 12
    Dirlewanger himself was detained in Altshausen by a French patrol, identified, arrested and put in a local prison. The guards in the prison were carried by the Poles. They knew who Dirlewanger was and were not going to forgive him anything: neither the executed Polish partisans, nor the dead participants of the Warsaw Uprising. For several nights, they led the prisoner into the corridor and, as they say, "took away the soul." On the last night, before they were to be replaced by a new guard, the Poles smashed the ober-executioner head with the butts. And although the act itself is not very beautiful, but unless someone condemns them?


    Do you really need comments? ...
    1. pawel57
      +3
      11 October 2013 20: 14
      Know ambiguously. For the German, he is the hero of which the winners slandered and vile Poles in revenge for his military successes beat him to death. It would be better to condemn and hang him. All honor in honor, we are not Derlewanger. Grandfather Stalin a wise man would do so. The death of this Fritz does not cause pity, but politics intervenes with its own rules. If the ordinary flayer were scored, then that's okay. And here the commander of the famous division, it would be necessary to judge, like our Krasnov and Shkuro, to show the crimes and the inevitability of punishment for the following honors. Show victims that retaliation and power go hand in hand. The Poles, unaware, created a halo of the hero around the villain.
      1. 0
        11 October 2013 21: 12
        Who then could have imagined that in 70 years this very Dirlewanger would turn out to be almost a hero and supposedly a true German patriot ??? The Poles, who had butted Oscar's carcass with their butts, could not have imagined such a thing in the worst nightmare. Well, there was a trial of Vlasov and the company - and so what? For some, he is an icon, in spite of the court and the merit.
        PS: let the Balts on the British flag break with their parades of SS veterans, the truth was and remains for us.
  18. 0
    11 October 2013 20: 42
    There is a good story about the "work" of the Dirlewangler rabble by the Belarusian writer Ales Adamovich Punisher. I recommend to read.
  19. +1
    11 October 2013 22: 20
    Why don’t you guys want to grind this topic? I’m without malice. Can I just learn something new for myself ?!
  20. +4
    11 October 2013 22: 24
    1. Regarding the Poles: whatever you say, but the Poles in II MV showed themselves from the best side. They fought in any armies, under any banners, only to oppose Germany. In all of Europe, perhaps only the Serbs really fought with the Nazis. What exactly is to combat Polish the partisans originally created the "Dirlewanger" command, speaks for itself. The thugs did not go to France or Holland, but to the general government. And the Poles did not get to the German Althausen on a tourist voucher. Well, the Poles in 45-47, that's a different story.

    2. Did Dirlewanger have to be tried? In Nuremberg, 12 people were sentenced to be hanged. A total of 22 judged! 3 even acquitted! There was a trial of concentration camp doctors. Do you think everyone was hanged? No! Gottlob Berger is Himmler's deputy, the one who created this Sonderkommando and matched his friend there, and then repeatedly pulled him out of all the troubles, petitioned for his reward, etc. He was tried, so what? Already in December 1951 he was free! If Dirlewanger had been caught by the Soviet authorities, they would have been hanged for sure! But he ended up in the French occupation zone, and this is already "the territory of democracy." Do not kill him, the Poles - he could easily get off with a prison term of 10 years and get out in 5 years under the amnesty "for good behavior."
    1. 0
      11 October 2013 22: 48
      I agree with you. In general, they are not cowards. Slavs. It’s in blood. But the bastards are rare. Who drove into their brains about Greater Poland from sea to sea? Pan Pilsudski! (Although it must have been hammered into his brain before him) . At a subconscious level --- Pan Pilsudsky, I respect RUSIN! There is nothing to be done.
    2. +2
      11 October 2013 23: 40
      Especially when, together with Hitler, the entrails of Czechoslovakia were shared.
  21. +3
    11 October 2013 23: 12
    Why, minus one without explanation, is it like a man? No, youth, you are still weak to go to such a site, are weak. Let's earn further your pluses due to cheers-patriotism! (Due to the same). You for us -...!All clear?
  22. MG42
    +1
    11 October 2013 23: 37
    Quote: Posted by Klim Podkova
    Warsaw Massacre

    Upon arrival in Warsaw, the regiment totaled 881 people. They didn’t take prisoners, they shot civilians - everyone, regardless of the floor or age. Hospitals were burned along with non-walking patients and staff.


    The guards in the prison were Poles. They knew who Dirlewanger was and did not intend to forgive him anything: neither the executed Polish partisans, nor the dead participants in the Warsaw uprising. Over the course of several nights, they led the prisoner out into the corridor and, as they say, “took the soul”. On the last night, before they were to be replaced by a new guard, the Poles smashed the head executioner with rifle butts. And although the act itself is not very beautiful, but who will condemn them?


    And the Poles have something to grind a tooth on the SS in particular.
    The Germans filmed the scene of the mass execution of the Poles >> it is not clear which SS unit, but it is quite possible that those mentioned in this article.
    1. +2
      11 October 2013 23: 54
      Sergey, if you have such a desire to figure out who, where, for whom at that time --- I can collect the info. Yours also noted there. No offense. I will provide the numbers of the Einsatzgrupp and everyone else. If you are interested in this question, in PM
      1. MG42
        +3
        12 October 2013 00: 14
        Quote: Den 11
        Sergey, if you have such a desire to figure out who, where, for whom at that time was --- I can collect you info

        Of these warriors, the Leibstandart fought the best. But he also suffered losses corresponding to his courage ..
        Quote: Den 11
        Yours were also marked there. No offense.

        You mean the SS <Galicia> ??, so it does not relate far to me in any way, since my ancestors from the Kursk region after the war moved to Ukraine ... Well, perhaps by the citizenship of Ukraine ... but this is the same thing to write about a citizen of the Russian Federation and the ROA winked By the way, they fought under the tricolor ..
        1. 0
          12 October 2013 00: 29
          Yes, I know that this is not our flag! OUR --- black-yellow-white! Kaminsky residents there were thoroughly marked.
          1. -1
            12 October 2013 00: 33
            This is my flag!
            1. MG42
              +1
              12 October 2013 00: 48
              You said you had one of your grandfathers there .. an interesting piece of the film of the German film 2008 dug is calledbridge> hitlerjugend defensive battle with advancing Americans ... >>
              1. 0
                12 October 2013 00: 58
                Of course I watched! This is one of my favorites (subconsciously). And what? It's a fairy tale? No, old fellow, they fought (there was nothing left to lose). Only their homeland ... They threw such people at the end ... Grandfather is 100% one of them (I studied him, the old one, psychology is the same)
                1. Lech from our city
                  +1
                  12 October 2013 01: 04
                  There is an older version of this film in black and white, more realistic.
                  Yes, the young Germans of those times were distinguished by rare fanaticism, which, however, quickly passed when they met with a more cruel and strong enemy.
                  1. 0
                    12 October 2013 01: 14
                    I did not watch the old version of the film. Throw the link. Please
                    1. Lech from our city
                      +1
                      12 October 2013 01: 21
                      "Bridge" (German Die Brücke) - a film directed by Bernhard Wicca, filmed in 1959 based on the novel of the same name by Manfred Gregor.
                      type in the internet
                      1. MG42
                        +3
                        12 October 2013 02: 48
                        Quote: Lech from our city
                        "Bridge" (German Die Brücke) - a film directed by Bernhard Wicca, filmed in 1959 based on the novel of the same name by Manfred Gregor.

                        Probably in opposition to this film, the Americans inserted the final piece with their bridge intoSaving Private Ryan> final battle


                      2. +2
                        12 October 2013 03: 13
                        Do you know what the most powerful moment in the film is for me? This is when Hans sticks a bayonet-knife from Mauser 98K in his heart ...
                      3. MG42
                        +4
                        12 October 2013 03: 23
                        This scene is the culmination = this same Fritz, whom Abham had captured earlier, defended him, and an Italian-American, Caparzo, seemed to call him, wanted to finish him off when they mortally wounded a friend at a machine-gun point, in the end, Fritz escaped, and here Abham from fear settled on the stairs, carrying comrades cartridges for a machine gun, but still didn’t carry it, and the same German drove the bayonet to the Italian ..
                        Then, at the very end, fate will bring Fritz and Abham together, when the Germans surrender, he will say "Abham" and the American will shoot him so that he does not tell about his shame on the stairs ..
                        Strong for Hollywood however ..
                        Everything went to bed .. hi
                      4. +2
                        12 October 2013 04: 07
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Do you know what the most powerful moment in the film is for me? This is when Hans sticks a bayonet-knife from Mauser 98K in his heart ...


                        yes I agree a strong moment!
                        in the series (passion for Chapay) in the last series, the director tried to use this episode from the Area (there is a moment where the Kozak kills the Red Army soldier with a dagger, almost like Spielberg’s shot), he shot the truth quite carelessly, but quite recognizably, I immediately guessed where he had stolen it from))
      2. 0
        12 October 2013 00: 15
        You can learn a lot of information through the Bundes archive. The only thing is that not everyone will be allowed until the tsimes.
      3. +2
        21 January 2014 11: 00
        Quote: Den 11
        Yours were also marked there.
        Before you enroll all Ukrainians in the OUN-UPA and the Galicia division, ask for their political views. Nobody identifies you with the ROA or the SS like that.

        No offense.
        I'll try, but they spat in my soul.
  23. 0
    12 October 2013 01: 20
    Good day Denis.

    I will expose one photo:
    Members of "Bienenstock" und "Elbe" in the picture with Hajo Herrmann 07.04.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX
    1. +1
      12 October 2013 01: 32
      Thank you Sasha! I heard about these comrades, but I don’t have enough information (there is an interest to sort it out seriously). There is something, but not for a serious conversation. The general market doesn’t suit me. Once again THANKS! Squadrons, commanders .. .Will be interesting, tomorrow I’ll dig up through the Bundos and talk. We just don’t need Vicki. There’s a complete lie (not all of course, but 80 percent)
  24. catapractic
    0
    12 October 2013 15: 46
    dogs - dog death
  25. rezident
    0
    13 October 2013 23: 55
    German fines.
  26. military specialist
    0
    7 November 2014 23: 09
    It seems to me that the most laconic and accurate portraits of Dirlewanger and his henchmen from the punitive battalion were written by A. Adamovich in one of his best books about the war - "The Punishers". Despite the fierce criticism of the champions of "socialist realism" (who attested the work as "the poetry of a knife or the experience of hyperheroes"), it is difficult to find among the literary creations of that era anything else in terms of the depth of transmission of the psychology of people from among the executioners - punishers.
    Despite the well-deserved end (officially registered) in the death of this simultaneously brave soldier, sadistic pervert and professional executioner, there is still no unequivocal opinion. It is believed that he still fled to Argentina, where he successfully lived to old age, after which (according to the will) he was reburied in Germany. If true, then absolutely unfair.