Myths about AK-47 and AK-74 weapons

(a brief review of comments on the article The history of the assault rifle MP-43 from 21 September 2013 of the year)

Internet communication, if carried out correctly, will help get rid of the myths that were created during the Soviet era, but are reproduced by the current one - the complete opposite of it. An example of such a myth is weapon (automata) in the review title - already the concern was named after M.T. Kalashnikov!
As AK-47 has unquestionable quality - unsurpassed reliability. But M.T. Kalashnikov, his son Victor, and four colleagues write about the absence of this - the following montage of 1 and 3 WO 99 / 05467 (A1) sheets.

With the 1 Myth, the clarity is complete - the authors recognized - AK-47 does not have reliability!

Patent can be found here..

Translation: The disadvantage of this model is the low reliability, failures of the weapon when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of shooting, and insufficiently high performance.

Let's try to deal with the authorship. It is documented by patent WO 99 / 05467, that MT. Kalashnikov is a co-author of AK-74. There is no free access, but most likely there is no copyright certificate of the USSR, in which M.T. Kalashnikov is the only author or co-author of AK-47. In 1946, Sergeant Kalashnikov served on the range in the division of V.F. Fierce. In the same year, the sample submitted by Kalashnikov was tested and a conclusion was drawn on it - a quote from ... “the system is imperfect and cannot be refined”. Is it only Sergeant Kalashnikov who created the rejected option, or one of the officers told him which node to “borrow” is unknown - after all, the experience and knowledge of the officers who tested a lot of weapons and the knowledge of the Kalashnikov tank Sergeant were not comparable! We must not forget that the officers were not only Hugo Schmeiser’s Mkb42 / MP43.

V.F. Fierce, he said, made 18 suggestions for changing the original design, as if he forgot the negative conclusion and wrote a letter of recommendation to the Kovrov plant - to assist in finalizing the tested sample.

Taking into account the above, let everyone answer the question: “Could Sergeant Kalashnikov be the author of the idea (concept) of the machine gun or head the technical leadership in the group of officers?” The memoirs of contemporaries about the creation of the AK-47.

At the factory, design engineer A.A. Zaitsev, let's say correctly, by working together with technologists and Kalashnikov, was instructed to create samples for testing - the one brought was declared unusable. In this variant (prototype), approximately 400 changes were made - in addition to the 18 proposals made by V.F. Fierce!

Briefly reviewed the two stages of creating the AK-47. Collectives are changing, but only that MT is consistent There is always a Kalashnikov in the lineup - he seems to be “in action” in the process of the birth of AK-47!

By the way, in Kovrov, the former machine-gun machine, and now the “Vasily Alekseevich Degtyaryov Plant,” was put on its feet by Vladimir Grigorievich Fedorov (1874 - 1966) was the designer of the first “intermediate” caliber cartridge in the Russian Empire 6,5 mm, as well as the world's first automatic rifle for this cartridge!

It was reliably established that the AK-47 prototypes that were on the test of the second stage of the competition were created and manufactured in Kovrov! The past cannot be rectified, as well as the fact that Fate favored only M.T. Kalashnikov - he transports, from the landfill to the plant in Kovrov and back, different types of weapons - he is called the ONLY designer AK-47!

In my opinion, on the basis of the above, it is correct to call this brand of weapon as follows: “the AK-47 machine gun named after MT. Kalashnikov "! For dissenting readers, indicate the irrationality in my conclusion.

There is a patent WO 99 / 05467 as evidence that a weapon under the name AK-74 was created by a team in which MT Kalashnikov - one of the sponsors. But if the other co-authors do not object to their obscurity, and also against the fact that the “face of the company” is MT. Kalashnikov, then why should we not properly show our teeth to each other - when debunking Myths ?! Let's live in peace!

1. http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&page=0&ST=singleline&query=WO9905467&locale=en_EP&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com
2. http://www.mk.ru/print/articles/170356-razrabotchik-strelkovogo-oruzhiya-dmitriy-shiryaev-legendarnyiy-kalashnikov-ne-oruzheynik-a-podstavnoe
3. http://geraldika.udmurt.info/simvol/kalash/

Comments

[domokl]

It is clear that when something new is being created, whether it’s an airplane or an airplane, the designer uses not only the ideas of others, but also the brains of others to develop some kind of components or parts. There is no dispute about this. The time of the ingenious inventors alone has long passed.
I do not think that Kalashnikov will dispute this. But the fact that having all the achievements of others, someone combined them into a single one, and I am not afraid of this ingenious word, creation is the merit of merit. Then many have finalized, but the idea of ​​Sergeant Kalashnikov.
So I think that the author, striving for historical justice (if you can call it that), slightly distorted the maps ...

[maxvet]

I would like to add, why does the author call cartridge 6.5 intermediate? This is the Japanese Arisaka rifle cartridge. For me, this speaks of the competence of the author

[Leonid SK]

Degtyarev created an intermediate cartridge with a short sleeve based on the Japanese 6,5 mm. But in service they did not accept him. there was a huge supply of Japanese ammunition.

[Wolverine67]

...... and in terms of dynamic characteristics, he was close to the cartridges that we now call intermediate .......

[maxvet]

But as far as I know, Fedorov used the rifle cartridge

[Aleksys2]

Quote: maxvet

why does the author call cartridge 6.5 intermediate? This is the Japanese Arisaka rifle cartridge.

Fedorov was working to create a new cartridge, specially adapted for use in automatic weapons.
In 1913, he began testing a new automatic (already in the modern sense of the word, that is, firing in bursts) rifle under the 6,5-mm cartridge of its own design.
Fedorov’s cartridge had a muzzle energy of about 3100 J (versus 3600-4000 J of a full-time Russian 7,62-mm cartridge), which made it more suitable for automatic weapons, and a sleeve without a protruding rim, which made it possible to reliably feed it from a large-capacity store.
But with the outbreak of World War I, there was no question of the development and mass production of a new cartridge. In 1915, Fedorov adapted his rifle to an even weaker Japanese cartridge of the caliber 6,5 × 50 mm Arisaka. These cartridges were purchased by the government along with the Japanese Arisaka carbines and were in stock in significant quantities. The main manufacturers of Japanese-style cartridges for Russia were British firms - Kainok, the Woolwich royal arsenal, as well as the Petrograd cartridge factory (200 — 300 thousand per month, according to the factory museum).
It should be especially noted that both Fedorov’s cartridge and Arisak’s cartridge are typical rifle cartridges in terms of their ballistic properties, albeit of reduced caliber and power, but not at all like intermediate ones, as claimed by some sources. True, according to such “paper” characteristics as the caliber and muzzle energy of a bullet, the Arisak cartridge in a specific case of its use in the Fedorov’s assault rifle (with a barrel relatively short compared to a conventional rifle) is really comparable with the most powerful of the intermediate intermediate cartridges designed for a specific task destruction of targets protected by means of individual armor protection - such as 6,8 × 43 mm Remington SPC or 6,5 × 38 mm Grendel - but at the same time due to the use of much less advanced technologies in its design in terms of weight, dimensions and recoil momentum, it corresponded exactly to rifle cartridges (the Arisaka cartridge weighed 21 grams, the cartridge for the Mosin rifle - 22,7 ... 25,1 grams; their sizes were also very close), and therefore it was still too large and hard for successful use in manual automatic weapons such as machine guns in the modern sense of the word.

[Basarev]

Tru-Fedorovsky cartridge was just intermediate. With Arisakinsky was only common caliber.

[Crocodile]

This is bent!
AK-47 has no reliability!
Have they tried to explain to the Afghan spirits that they have been fighting for nearly a hundred years?
And then they seem to have succumbed to Soviet propaganda, they were ready to give everything for Kalash!
The world used the most massive weapons in the world until a respected author -> author -> author opened his eyes to us!

[Basarev]

But it should be remembered that the AK-47 was the so-called microscopic series of pre-production prototypes, and they really did not have reliability. But the serial Kalashnikov assault rifles of the 1949 model - no one will say about them that they are unreliable. But I personally like AKC more -74.

[Asgard]

What nonsense ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???
That would be a ride on mail.ru ...
about the intermediate cartridge 6.5))))
about 400 changes to the machine where a dozen parts))))
Sergeant Kalashnikov-constructor !!!!!!, what does the rank of lieutenants mean, they probably tried to cram into co-authors (well, if you proceed from the LOGIC)))
Patent from the category of Katyn falsifications))))

in general BROWN (wasted time)))))

[Volkolak]

Quote: Asgard

That would be a ride on mail.ru ...

It seems that McCain was writing an article. This is his answer to Putin through obsiralovo AK.

[Yura]

If someone told me what place of this machine, consisting of a little more than a dozen details, you can stick in 400 changes and 18 sentences to increase its reliability ?? !!!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Jura

in which place of this machine, consisting of a little more than a dozen parts, you can stick 400 changes and 18 sentences

The author of the article in a famous place

[Basarev]

They say that when the Germans disengaged from the G-3, then they wanted to transfer the AK-74 to the NATO cartridge and take it into service. And all because of the legendary Kalashnikov reliability.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: domokl

So I think that the author, striving for historical justice (if you can call it that), slightly distorted the maps ...

Author, a little Troll. From the most foul category - the old man wants to foul old age with his libel. We have a whole galaxy of these appeared - insulting veterans, this is one of them.

In theory, this article should be deleted, it’s not the case here such material has been published, even if it is published in one's own estate, on porn sites.

[xetai9977]

AK- VERY RELIABLE automatic machine. Another thing, accuracy is lame. I hope that this drawback will be eliminated on the AK-12.

[Oskar]

AK, as a mass machine for the 7 millionth army of that time, is even nothing, despite its accuracy. But for special forces - yes.

[leon-iv]

Another thing, accuracy is lame.

Learn to shoot and use normal ammo.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

It beats tolerably short, and it’s great to be single, it’s ALREADY PUNCHING FORCE 7,62 is generally a fairy tale ...

[Walking]

When firing American Winchester cartridges, the accuracy was excellent. Unfortunately, the quality of Soviet cartridges was not up to par.

[Basarev]

Much depends on what kind of Soviet ammunition. 7,62 times of the war - those that equipped the SCS - they yes, were not up to par. But about 5,45 you have no right to say so.

[Basarev]

Not so much suffering. I have a friend - a veteran of four wars. He went through the whole of Afghanistan from beginning to end, went both Chechen and fought in Georgia. So he never complained about the accuracy of the AK-74.

[Paul]

I don’t understand what this article is for?

[Russ69]

Quote: Pavel

I don’t understand what this article is for?

How to what ...? Another exposure of the "bloody regime". AK, this is a complete misunderstanding, not a machine gun. And it was not Kalashnikov who made it, but the Germans, Americans, Martians (underline the necessary). Well, at least Kalashnikov, the role of a loader has now been entrusted ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And that muddy the water then ..

[Strashila]

Any weapon is a collective work, BUT ... everything that was proposed in the machine was known before it existed, with one exception ... the mechanism for locking the barrel (if I'm not mistaken), this is all the know-how of the AK-47. mechanics have been known for millennia, the only question is how they are used in combination with each other.

[Averias]

And why is it written? Check in reality, the above is impossible. Yes, and why? Or what, you need to defame everything and everything? Myth is not a myth, what's the difference. Kalashnikov is an era. A whole generation has grown. Well, let’s beat us up at all, everything that was done in the era of the USSR. There were no epic heroes either, but legends about them were made up. What also needs to be destroyed?
And at the expense of the machine, sorry author - but at least like that, but this is the most copied machine in the world. Yes, and I did not hear from the military what is described in the article (about breakdowns and moodiness). Kalashnikov is a symbol, this is our story. And do not wipe your feet about it. By the way, the author also did not bother to provide any evidence. Or is the author worried that the machine gun made a lot of people, and only Kalashnikov got laurels? I do not believe in such altruism. And examples, examples here: The same Colt, in fact, he is not the only developer. And the pistol leaves much to be desired (it’s not for nothing that they switched to Beretta), but come on, the pistol of his name.
I do not quite understand at all why the article?

[Kubanets]

It’s not only libel who checked his AK on his own skin; hence, the opinion of the author of the article was probably only seen in the manual.

[predator.3]

As AK-47 has unquestionable quality - unsurpassed reliability. But M.T. Kalashnikov, his son Victor, and four colleagues write about the absence of this - the following montage of 1 and 3 WO 99 / 05467 (A1) sheets.

With the 1 Myth, the clarity is complete - the authors recognized - AK-47 does not have reliability!

ВAll the world recognizes that AK is the most reliable machine in the world, even the amers in its television competitions recognized it as the best, but here some yuhplet doubts!

[Semen Semyonitch]

This makes no sense. Is the Kalash unreliable? This is all a myth "??? Tell this to the millions of bastards who are familiar with weapons from the age from which the author has crawled under the table. Well, yes, everything is in the style of time ... What's next on the list of revelations? Ballet or synchronized swimming ?

[Belogor]

An article from 3 sources (foreign publication, MK and some article)
Well, why should I take this on faith? I do not claim that this is the pinnacle of weaponry, but the popularity in the world of the machine gun of this designer is undeniable.

[Semen Semyonitch]

It can’t be unreliable, even frankly crap copies are in demand in the Middle East. And the weapons there are no worse than the author. And in the states, a boom in the civilian copy of Kalash:
,, Former Tennessee Marine Josh Laura told The Times: “I bought the Saiga because it was made in Russia, right next to my older brothers, AK. Not a single rifle in the world can compare with this in reliability. ”

Facts are known when the marines, even in battle, used Kalashnikovs instead of their main weapon - the M16. Undoubtedly, preference was given due to the reliability and the caliber of 7,62 mm, which has a slightly higher power compared to NATO's 5,56 mm. "[media = http: //politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2012-09/1346447622_sayga.jpg]

[JIaIIoTb]

I wonder who the author works for. Because everything he wrote is a lie, at least about the reliability of the Kalash 100% lie.
Dozens if not hundreds of millions of people used Kalashnikov assault rifles, including many visitors to this site.
He served a total of 23 calendars in the USSR Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation; he used Kalashas of various modifications, including machine guns, in sweets. The reliability of this weapon is simply phenomenal.

Sincerely.

[ben gun]

Having visited the Kalashnikov Museum in Izhevsk, I did not find (or did not see) information on the process of creating the AK-47 except for: 1. in 41, he was wounded and was in the hospital.
2. in the 1948 year, the batch of AK-47 and AKS-47 was sent to military tests.

[fero]

They didn’t see the info hanging (hung) on ​​the stand next to the first machine. On Saturday I’ll stop by and photograph for sure)

[alexng]

It looks like the author is a "wasteful nevmyrushy" from the near abroad. I wonder how much he was paid for this nonsense, or he probably meant the Romanian Kalash clone. But the article is more like a splash of bile on the basis of Russophobic idiocy. The whole world recognized the Kalash as the most reliable small arms, even amers had to admit this fact. It seems that the Russophobes have already run out of topics and switched to senile delirium. And interestingly, there was no Cyrillic minted there, as on provocative missiles in Syria? Something the trolls crushed completely.

[Yura]

Quote: alexneg

I wonder how much he was paid for this nonsense.

Or maybe he is a volunteer from small dirty tricks?

[Oskar]

What did the author want? M.T. Kalashnikov kick? He is already a legend, like his brainchild.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Jackalite poor fellow ...

[Login_Off]

author, smash your head against the wall!
Do you want the inconsistency in your judgments ::: ..
1. What fig are you referring to "not experience" of MT? Kalashnikov in his article? Did you know him? And from experience I can say that the same DaVinci made his inventions in his youth, and even such that the old scientists did not understand him. According to your logic, he was a moron? Well, or remember Lomanosov? Google will tell you more examples!
2. The patent has many names, but it is known that it is one thing to come up with an idea, another thing to translate it into a product, it’s not for nothing that there are Designers, but there are just engineers who draw and can give suggestions, only there can be darkness and some proposals they accept it, while others reject it. Who do you think eliminates / makes decisions ??? Let me tell you - M.T. Kalashnikov, as a designer.

[lewerlin53rus]

Another pathetic attempt to wishful thinking

[olviko]

"The disadvantage of this model is low reliability, weapon failure when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of fire, insufficiently high operational characteristics."

According to available estimates, this type (including licensed and unlicensed copies, as well as third-party developments based on AK) includes up to 1/5 of all small arms firearms available on Earth. [3] Over 60 years, more than 70 million Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications have been produced. They are in service with 50 foreign armies. [4] The main competitor of the Kalashnikov assault rifles - the American automatic M16 rifle - was produced in the amount of approximately 10 million units, and is in service with 27 armies of the world. According to many experts, AK is the standard of reliability and ease of maintenance. There are cases when American soldiers in Vtnam threw their unreliable M-16s and fought from the killed Vietnamese, the AK-47. AK is inferior to the M-16 in terms of accuracy of firing in bursts, but who prevents them from shooting solo. From hitting one bullet 7,62 in the head, the latter scatters like a watermelon - sorry for the details. A trained shooter calmly hits a growth target from a distance of 400m, and large distances, under real conditions, are not common. As a rule, military operations take place on rough or wooded areas, in settlements where visibility is limited. Well, for long ranges there are snipers and SVD. I consider AK an excellent weapon, not for a shooting gallery, but for a real battle, for war.

[128mgb]

An excellent example of anti-Soviet (anti-Russian) propaganda! The article can be used as a teaching aid for teaching different kinds of "right and left-wing defenders."

[Bort radist]

MiG - in the name the names of two designers, an example of an exception to the rule is usually the name of one person for a brand. Behind the brand, especially for military purposes, dozens of names and discoveries remain hidden. The author has not discovered anything new, the question arises of whose mill pour water? The purpose of this article.

[maxvet]

Quote: Bort Radist

MiG - in the name of the names of two designers, an example of an exception to the rule

probably not such an exception-DShK, GSh, LaGG, and so completely agree with you

[Oskar]

I watched or read (I don’t remember - it was long ago) an interview with an American, a Vietnam war veteran. So he dreamed of having AK in his hands instead of M-ki precisely because of its reliability, but was afraid - they could shoot their own, scorching a characteristic sound.

[Dimkapvo]

The author wishes to wash his mouth with soap and brains with bleach. Thanks to people like him, we already learned that T-34 is junk, fleet of junk, S-300 junk, and in general how we live here miserable and are still trying to fight the Great Dash ... AK is an automaton No. 1 and you can at least for Mr. nothing will change from this. And to lay out this garbage in VO, where half of AK saved his life - is simply ridiculous.

[Ustas]

Author Kacheev V.I.

Did you want to cut the dough on the basis of the Copyright Act?
I’ll only tell you this, Mr. Author, that we ourselves consider the Kolashnikov rifle not as a personal invention, but an invention of the entire Soviet people.
And therefore, one does not have to stick to the glory of one invention by individual individuals.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I read somewhere (real story) Amer special forces in jugnly Vietnam on a mission. We ran into a corpse (decomposed already in a swamp slurry ..) Turned over hoping to determine the rank .. under the corpse a Kalash is covered in mud and worms .. One Amer raises it shakes off "Oh Russian machine gun ..) twitches the bolt and pulls the trigger .. there is a line all the specialists fall face down in the swamp out of surprise, thinking that they have been ambushed. These are the things ... And the fact that they are trying to belittle the merits of our gunsmiths is normal .. They just envy! Kalashnikov is a legend and our pride!

[Djozz]

Don't pull the trigger, cock the trigger, pull the trigger, learn the materiel!

[Basarev]

There was even a fantastically absurd word "trigger"

[saygon66]

- Was in the video "Weaponology" - Weapons in their language.

[The Indian Joe]

If the AK-47 is unreliable, then, in comparison with it, what is the reliability of the M-16? Until now, many Vietnam veterans are convinced that the rifle that failed at the most inopportune moment is to blame for the death of their comrades.

There was a joke: "The M-16 is a very good rifle. You can use it to kill a Vietcong and remove an AK-47 from him!" In Iraq, the US Marines often preferred the AK over the M-ki.
Kalash, however, fully corresponded to the concept and requirements for weapons of the time - to give poorly trained soldiers more reliable weapons than the armies of a likely enemy, with an aiming range of 200-400 meters, and high lethal force.
And the article is a minus.

[soldier's grandson]

Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan and the PPS took on combat operations respect him for the large ammunition capacity and rate of fire

[Basarev]

How do you personally think it is possible to modernize the PCA? With SCS it seems to work out.

[Horst78]

Given the size of the article, some kind of nonsense turns out. Unrelated information and conclusions. Article -

[Tanysh]

Judging by the malicious text, the author did not have enough for a bottle. The idea is in the air. Many people process it, but there is a person who collects fragments of a mosaic into a whole picture.

[wulf66]

Another bells and whistle.

[VI Kacheev]

Remarks of the author (V.I. Kacheev) according to the first comments.
There are NO new myths besides those listed by me! It was clear to me that the myth of the super reliability of the AK-47 would be persistently reproduced - therefore, it was described at the very beginning. But, dear, strain the gyrus, you do not agree with Kalashnikov, his son Victor and FIVE more colleagues, that YOUR SIGNATURES confirmed in international patent WO 99/05467 (A1) that the AK-47 is unreliable. Indicating the shortcomings of the AK-47, the inventors of this patent said that in the patented AK-74 there are NO listed disadvantages of the AK-47. Is it so hard to understand ?! The myth that US Army soldiers preferred the AK-47 does not match the U.S. Army Command Circular, in which FORBIDDEN: 1. Use deodorants. 2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16. Deodorants were forbidden because smells spread very quickly in the jungle - the Vietnamese learned about the approach of American soldiers by Smell. AK-47 was banned because SOUND fuse release ALSO WERE HEARED FROM EDITION.
For Leonid SK: a 6,5 mm caliber cartridge was developed by Vladimir Grigoryevich Fedorov - the captain of the Russian Imperial Army - be ashamed, sir of your ignorance !!!

[The Indian Joe]

which by their SIGNATURES have confirmed, in the international patent WO 99/05467 (A1), that the AK-47 is unreliable

- unreliable in comparison with what, with what weapon?

I ask the author (I politely omit the double "f" in the middle of the word "author") to name a more reliable machine gun, the AK-47.

Forward.

[31231]

In addition to reversing, it is forbidden to cross everything that is continuous on the road, so what ?!

[avt]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16. Deodorants were forbidden because smells spread very quickly in the jungle - the Vietnamese learned about the approach of American soldiers by ODOR. AK-47 was banned because the SOUND of the removal of the fuse was also heard from a distance.

Well, finally, a very specific technical justification for the "unreliability" of AK! You can calm down and not rack your brains over it.

[olviko]

Dear author! Let's leave the desk compositions for a moment and imagine ourselves in the jungle's place as an American infantryman. What do you prefer: keep the circular, fight with the M-16, which can jam at any moment or save your skin to grab onto Kalash, as the only hope to survive? But really it is a matter of life and death, there is no longer a sound of removal from the fuse.

[Djozz]

Have you ever removed an AK from a fuse? I doubt that you held it in your hands!

[picnic]

"that the SOUND of removing the fuse was ALSO HEARED FROM OUT"

I don’t know how the AK-47 does, but the AK-74 removes the fuse from the fuse in general almost silently.

How can sound be heard in the jungle from afar, is it a desert or something? This is the jungle. There, day and night, is a continuous cacophony of all kinds of sounds.

[Borz]

Disgusting article, disgusting libel. "Kalash" monuments were erected, children were named after him. The question to the author, why?! Is it for outstanding fighting qualities?

[Nikvan]

It’s a pity, the next dummy that the author wanted to say remained outside the scope of the article, so the next opinion is about nothing

[Algor73]

It’s hard to judge anything if you don’t know the truth.

[VI Kacheev]

for the JO Indian - Your quote: "- unreliable in comparison with what, with what weapon?" If you had to write an application for an invention, then the standard procedure is that the applicant (inventor) chooses the PROTOTYPE, i.e. closest to the claimed device, a technical solution. The claimed device was AK-74. Consequently, the AK-47 UNRELIABLE - compared to the AK-74! Here is a paradox, sir - M.T. Kalashnikov created the AK-47, and then, MORE THAN AFTER 50 YEARS RECOGNIZED - he constructed an unreliable weapon - DOESN'T IT LATE HAS RECOGNIZED THIS ?! But FIVE HIS COLLEAGUE, INCLUDING VICTOR'S SON !!! And now my question for JOE: "Are there any PRINCIPAL differences in the AK-74 design?" If not PRINCIPLE DIFFERENCES IN DESIGNS, and this TRUE, it turns out that criticizing the AK-47, M.T. Kalashnikov simultaneously condemns the AK-74 !!!
HOW TO UNDERSTAND THIS ?!

[The Indian Joe]

The author, therefore, is more reliable than the AK-47 AK-74, right?
And if you continue to reason logically, then compared with other models of automatic small arms, the AK-74 is generally the top of reliability, and super reliable, right?

Consequently, the AK-47 is unreliable - compared to the AK-74!

- I understand that the claims of the invention require just such a phrase construction.

Now i I URGE You will recognize that the AK-47 is much more reliable than most samples of automatic small arms of those times, and many samples of the times of today (except for the AK line, since you love accuracy so much).

I just do not want to search and quote conclusions about the superiority in reliability of AK over other machines, American, European, Israeli and others, and others, and other experts. But in the evening, if you don’t acknowledge that AK compared to so many models of non-AK weapons is more reliable, I’ll do it.

[JIaIIoTb]

Sorry for being rude, but you are an ordinary demagogue and plutocrat. Probably from liberal circles? If so then I am not surprised.
With disrespect.

[Victor]

Anger and envy. One word-author is dirty trick.

[Yuri Y.]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

FORBIDDEN: 1. Use deodorants. 2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16.

Maybe it was forbidden. But I personally saw on TV news the use of AK amers in modern conflicts (Iraq, Afghanistan), at least as a backup. It was rightly noticed, less than reliable. And then the author of any invention wants to make his thing even better, i.e. more than others find fault. Unless of course he is worried about the job.

[Black Colonel]

So there amers and PPSh did not disdain, you can poyuzat photos from there. Fact.

[Taoist]

Rare nonsense ... Although in general it is not nonsense. Everything is built according to the laws of the "disclosure" genre. A "certain document" is presented, a "premise" is issued on its basis, and then the reader is smoothly brought to the required conclusion ... The Rezunoids case lives on and wins.
The fact that this whole construction does not withstand collisions with logic is not taken into account, because units still know how to build connected logical chains longer than from 3x points.

[DuraLexSedLex.]

I didn’t understand the meaning of the article. The point was to water the gunsmiths that their brainchild was guamo ... it didn’t work out, people choose AK and don't care what it is 74 or 47, Chinese or Russian, Serbian or Polish. About not reliability, the author is even floods, if the author ran with the ak-74 and he constantly wedged on him during firing, this means that his sergeant did not kick at 5 points when cleaning his weapons, but relying on something described somewhere and the tables, well, softly speaking incorrectly .. I’ll open the secret that Kalash should be cleaned, it’s a fairy tale that you don’t need to clean it;)

[Quiet]

About not reliability, the author even pours

Apparently he relies on data on weapons of the Bulgarian or Chinese assembly. Even on YouTube there is a video where, at an arms exhibition, the Bulgarian assembly refuses to shoot ...

[Earnest]

Quote: MIKHAN

And that muddy the water then ..

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Jackalite poor fellow ...

I really want "unparalleled bullets of the brilliant gunsmith V. Kacheev" sell in volumes of AK them. Kalashnikov, yes, the author?))

[Parabelum]

The author, I have one more idea. In fact, the aircraft YAK, TU, SU, IL, etc., were not made by Yakovlev, Tupolev, Sukhoi, Ilyushin. The team made them! Well this is a template break! Immediately write down the article "Impostors in Aviation" or "Petty Thieves of Big Ideas".
The author you opened my eyes, go for it ... may everyone be rewarded according to his deeds, as they say.

[DuraLexSedLex.]

Plus TO YOU!

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Quote: leon-iv

Another thing, accuracy is lame.

Learn to shoot and use normal ammo.

you say correctly, you need to learn how to shoot, I hadn’t fired with Kalash for 7 years before this shooting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxDkHhF8PU

[chunga-changa]

"There is no freely available, and most likely not at all, the USSR author's certificate." Translated into human - I did not see means not at all. I don’t believe it means the others have invented everything. Immediately you can see the author thoroughly studied the issue and now boldly and reasonably tears the covers.
I can tell you the next topic Korolev - FAU-2, I think the result will be just as amazing.

[Earnest]

Quote: VI Kacheev

SOUND OF DISCHARGE FROM ALSO WERE HEARED FROM

The beginning of my service was marked by three foreman lessons: 1) to hem a collar; 2) open canned food with a bayonet-knife in one circular motion; 3)slightly bend the fuse AK-74 in secret and watch. This is not Kacheev’s bullet, but the science of survival

[saygon66]

- Craftsmen "wound up" the lever with a thin line ...

[washi]

The main Whose idea?
The Tu-2 aircraft helped Korolev to calculate. But they named after the person who submitted the idea and put it together. Although the ideological support of SERGEANT Kalashnikov was definitely and it was he who was moved into heroes. Although the TKB-408 was no worse than the AK-47.

[stroporez]

smacks of delirium ..... and nodding to the fact that "sergeant", "officer" - at all, in my opinion, is not correct. In 1695, the "secret ship" was "presented" to Tsar Peter by a serf ... ..... probably ran into the same "dunduk", that's why it didn't "stick" ..........

[Ivanovich47]

After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of "studies" have appeared that call into question our entire past. Their main motto is all myths! and off and on: Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov were not, and there were almost no partisans in the rear, etc. So we got to Kalashnikov. Spit on the worldwide recognition of the machine. I will say simply: the dog barks, the caravan goes.

[Transbaikal]

In the year 85, when crossing a mountain river (it rained for a week) in the Karmadon Gorge, the cadet missed an AK-74 assault rifle (did not take the weapon behind his back). After three days of searching (with attempts to block the river with a dam, etc.), the assault rifle was found approximately in kilometer downstream. When they got it, it was white, as after "sandblasting", the receiver cover was not there, the receiver itself and the trigger are packed tightly with sand, the barrel is decently bent. After cleaning the submachine gun, the professors of the OP department conducted an experiment: they attached the store, reloaded, tied the AK to the BMP barrel, to the trigger a rope (you never know what ?!) The whole store flew out of the barrel without any problems !!! author, you're wrong !!!

[avt]

"Let's live together!" ----- The author calls us. But now he’s lying. What actually comes out of what was said earlier ----------- ,, There is a patent WO 99/05467 as evidence, that the weapon under the AK-74 brand was created by a team in which MT Kalashnikov is one of the co-authors. But, if the other co-authors do not object to their obscurity, as well as to the fact that the "face of the company" is MT Kalashnikov, then why should we show teeth to each other incorrectly - when debunking Myths ?! " Even judging by this quote, it also recruits supporters. Well, the maximum I agree to, and even then probably only for now, so this is ----------- ,, In my opinion, on the basis of the above, it is correct to call this brand of weapon like this: "AK-47 assault rifle named M.T. Kalashnikov "! For dissenting readers, indicate the inconsistency in my conclusion. "Well, thank you" at least not named after Schmeiser. Or is this the next stage in the "struggle for historical justice"?

[VI Kacheev]

For Earnest - your quote: "I really want to" unparalleled bullets of the brilliant gunsmith V. Kacheev "to sell in the volume of the Kalashnikov AK, right, the author?))"
I won’t say anything about volumes, but to implement IN METAL inventions: bullet according to patent 2484416RU, unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve according to patent 2486438RU - CERTAINLY SAME !!! Agree that we are talking about the differences between the AK-47 and the StG-43, but the cartridge is also from Germany. A bullet in a cartridge in 1881 was proposed by Krupp - http://www.ada.ru/guns/ballistic/bc/index.htm
And now, after more than 130 years, the Russian inventor bypassed Krupp - it is recognized by patent experts. Of course i I WISH give the Russian soldier a new small weapon that is being developed UNDER THE CARTRIDGE - axiom. Yes, and I proposed a cartridge! And what's so strange about this A WISH any inventor. Russian patent experts admit that my bullet BETTER bullets of Olin Corporation (USA), which also recognized this, ASKING FOR DRAWING OF MY BULLET AS A GIFT !!! But, unfortunately, it is recognized abroad, and in Russia it is NOT SO - if you are interested, then follow the link: http://vpk.name/news/2013-04-16 My inventions and my authorship are DOCUMENTED - see who wants to . But there is no copyright certificate on the AK-47 - although the museum has other AS M.T. Kalashnikov. If there was an A.S. USSR on AK-47, then in a museum it would be MANDATORY EXHIBITED !!! But there is no such among others - that’s the debate on this topic.

[military]

It seems that the author’s motivation for writing this article is based on the ambitions of an unrecognized gunsmith genius ... I would be glad to be mistaken, but ...

[VI Kacheev]

For AVT - Your quote: "For dissenting readers - indicate the inconsistency in my conclusion." Well, thank you "at least not the name of Schmeiser. Or is this the next stage in the" struggle for historical justice "?"
The meaning of my question is simple - THE LOGIC OF CONCLUSION IS BROKEN OR NOT? And you tell me about Hugo Schmeiser ?!
For Earnest - and at the factory (MT Kalashnikov) it was not necessary IMPROVE safety lock - that the foreman did not teach you this? THIS IS ALREADY A SIGN OF LIABILITY AS A MANUFACTURING PLANT, SO AND M.T. Kalashnikov - foreman knows how to reduce the sound, and the plant and M.T. Kalapshnikov HOW AND DON'T SUSPECT ABOUT THIS !!!

[viktorR]

Kacheev cease. You look like an algae envious. Maybe your bullet will survive something, but as practice will always show. And do not kick that they say you did not recognize the nugget, etc.
And with regard to the patent, it states that the forty-seventh in comparison with the seventy-fourth is not reliable, and you perfectly understand this, you just distort it. In general, all your statements, including comments, do not add credibility to you, but rather the opposite. I advise you to think all the same for what reasons. Everyone around believes that you are wrong.

PS and please less demagoguery.

[aleks77]

Reptiles didn’t recognize me as the most worthy; now, at least I spit on the portrait, let everyone know.

[avt]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

The meaning of my question is simple - THE LOGIC OF CONCLUSION IS BROKEN OR NO?

Uh no! The logic of your inference is quite to myself in your quotes, I have indicated. And the conclusion "here is quite one and specific - Kalashnikov himself did not really do anything and the general is fake, well, out of the kindness of his soul," we agree to a wedding. " to give out his quite concrete human envy for a logical conclusion, and even under the guise of a struggle for the restoration of "historical justice" in relation to the members of the design team. Moreover, add "sugar syrup" to the article about the fact that - "let's live together" Well, I don’t believe that I haven’t found the Author's Certificate, because I know this system from the inside - I had a chance to work at VNIIPGE That on Berezhkovskaya embankment. And also - in the USSR they always did copyright first, they immediately paid for them at once, and there is nothing unusual in the fact that a large number of authors indicated. But the patent, for which the state paid and took away the rights, the authors could no longer make up, quite some lawyer based on the copyright was. And weakly challenge the name of the 1912 Colt and demand from the Americans to call him Browning 1912 Colt name?

[Black Colonel]

Another vcep.

[Support]

Most likely banal envy. They recognized me abroad, but not at home. Then you need to break through your invention, prove its necessity, look for someone who will help in this matter, and not splash ....... onto pages and set even more people against yourself.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Kalash does not need advertising! We in Russia do not like to publicize their achievements (and they don’t really know how to compare them with the West). The weapons produced in Russia in the world have proven to be the most reliable simple and effective .. (Kalashas are even on the arms of some countries ..)

[Begemot]

The article is blatant chatter. You can chew on the topic of Shmeiser-Kalashnikov, reliable and unreliable, as much as you like. If a person has never encountered the creation of mechanisms or machines, he will never understand what distinguishes an ingenious product from an ordinary one. The most serious problem with automatic weapons was the sticking of the cartridge case in the chamber. This type of failure is the most unpleasant, as resuming shooting after it is very difficult (I hope there is no need to explain why). But non-automatic weapons did not have such a problem, and the reason is simple: after a shot, the bolt was opened first with a rotational movement and a slight misalignment of the gripping protrusion created a decent force at a distance of a fraction of a millimeter along the axis, which is quite enough to move the cartridge case in the conical chamber. This is the very genius feature that made the AK a legendary weapon. Everything else was also brought to the required parameters, but the main thing was the rotary shutter. And to write that the AK is unreliable was necessary, as the author of several inventions, I agree with the forum participants - this is the logic of the invention formula, and is by no means a recognized fact. Leave Grandpa Kalashnikov alone.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: domokl

So I think that the author, striving for historical justice (if you can call it that), slightly distorted the maps ...

the author honestly deserves a nail in the head

[military]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

the author honestly deserves a nail in the head

control nail...

[Tambov we ...]

Well, another kick in the direction of both AK and M.T. Kalashnikov personally. How many more will there be? And the Kalashnikov assault rifle is still unsurpassed. Kick, kick...

[bunta]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

The myth that US Army soldiers preferred AK-47s does not correspond to the circular of the US Army command, which FORBIDDEN: 1. The use of deodorants. 2. Use the AK-47 instead of the standard M-16. Deodorants were prohibited for the reason that odors spread very quickly in the jungle - the Vietnamese knew about the approach of American soldiers by the SMELL. The AK-47 was banned because the SOUND of the safety being removed COULD ALSO BE HEARD FROM A FAR AWAY.

The mention of deodorant and safety precautions in the same context is certainly impressive. They forgot about toilet paper, which could give away the group’s location.
Judging by the text and comments, the author has a mild degree of schizophrenia. Author, take haloperidol and:

[VI Kacheev]

For Indian JOE - Your quote: "
And now I STRONGLY ASK you to admit that the AK-47 is much more reliable than most models of automatic small arms of those times, and many models of the present time (except for the AK line, since you love accuracy so much).
I just don’t want to look for and quote conclusions about the superiority in reliability of the AK over other assault rifles, from American, European, Israeli and other, and other, and other experts. But in the evening, if you do not admit that the AK is more reliable than many non-AK weapons, I will do so."
BE SO KIND - JUSTIFY THE HIGHEST RELIABILITY OF THE AK-47, and I may learn something new.
So far one thing is clear to me - M.T. Kalashnikov, his son Viktor and four other colleagues BLACK ON WHITE in the patent WO 99/05467 (A1) they wrote about the UNRELIABILITY of the AK-47. Please don't forget this fact. In addition, it was good to confirm unfounded allegations IN NUMBERS, in particular, to compare the number of failures for different brands of weapons with an EQUAL number of shots. This will be technically correct. And now I take on faith what M.T. wrote about. Kalashnikov and FIVE more colleagues in the patent - THEY KNOW BETTER!!!

[The Indian Joe]

Well, you got yourself into trouble.
No one knows you as an expert. And now we quote:

The American TV channel Military Channel has compiled a rating of the best small arms created in the twentieth century. Each model was evaluated by military experts for accuracy of fire, combat effectiveness, originality of design, ease of use and reliability. First place was taken by the legendary AK-47, which received maximum points in 4 out of 5 categories.

- this is, of course, not an expert, but a fairly authoritative source who, as stated, created this rating precisely on the basis of the conclusions of experts.
I think everyone knows the rating of the Discovery TV channel about the AK-47.

Yet:

“The “Arms Capital of Russia,” as Izhevsk is called, has been supplying Kalashnikov assault rifles and similar weapons to other countries for a long time. But now the United States has become one of the main buyers of Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant products, writes The New York Times.

...

The publication writes that Americans value the Kalashnikov assault rifle not so much for its popularity in many world conflicts, but for its reliability."

Further, writes Semyon Fedoseev:

“And yet, in 1954, it was proposed to use “a lightweight version of the machine gun as a single model of individual infantry weapon.” By this time, the AK had already achieved the position of “reliability standard”, which it still occupies.

And finally, the opinion of the Expert - KardeN
(Employee of the special unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
having extensive combat experience in “hot spots”):

The most important feature of the AK, compared to the M16 family, is its notorious reliability.

- I think you've had enough.
And there was no need to prove the obvious to all sensible people. Even you admitted that the only more reliable Kalash is another Kalash - the AK-74)

And now I once again ask you to answer, is there an automatic weapon in the world more reliable than the AK-47 (except for the AK series)?

[nazgul-ishe]

Quote: Prop

Then you need to make your own invention, prove its necessity, look for someone to help in this matter,

Kalashnikov, Korolev, Tupolev, Kurchatov and many others were “punchers” “pushers”. To reproach that the engines were made by one body, another, automation or hydraulics, the third is a PRODUCT and the name is given to it according to the general one.

[Support]

Our weapons (all types of the Armed Forces and Navy) were forged in difficult times. In many endeavors we have surpassed potential opponents. Among these types of weapons, the AK occupies a worthy place, no matter 47 or 74. This is confirmed by our opponents, who in the most difficult combat conditions - desert, jungle, highlands - preferred the AK (RPK and PK too). And now lie? What did the author hope for? That we have already forgotten our History? And those of our great inventors and organizers who, excuse the pathos, forever entered World History, and not just ours. Including Kalashnikov. Or does the author want to cling to Kalashnikov as a critic who opened the world’s eyes to the imperfections of the AK 47? Let him go to the “spirits” or “Czechs” with his lecture. You see, they will “thank you” for the truth. A collaborator is no longer a joke.

[VI Kacheev]

For Begemot - your quote: “But non-automatic weapons did not have such a problem, and the reason is simple: after a shot, the bolt was opened first with a rotational movement and a slight misalignment of the gripping protrusion created a decent force at a distance of a fraction of a millimeter along the axis, which is quite enough to move sleeve in a conical chamber. This is the very ingenious feature that made the AK a legendary weapon."
Please describe the operation of the bolt assembly on the M-16 automatic rifle. Are there any differences in the CYCLOGRAM of operation - although the principle of locking is the SAME - by turning and installing on the lugs. Then maybe you will change your mind.

[Begemot]

I'm going to cry. The M-16 began to be developed when the AK-47 was already firing single shots and bursts. The bolt action locking principle has already been recognized as the best option for automatic weapons. I disassembled the M-16 with my own hands more than once, as I studied at an institute where there was a specialty in “Small Arms”, where this stuff was collected from all over the world. There are differences, I won’t go into too much detail, but go to a gun store and ask to see the Vepr-15 carbine, a copy of the M16, or more precisely the AR-15 from which the M16 was made, unfortunately I can’t offer another option, we don’t use the M16.

[Seaman]

Nonsense! Why did the author post this article? In my opinion, everything has been repeatedly proven by time. The article is a clear minus!

[Drosselmeyer]

Well, where are the traditional postulates “Kalashnikov copied his assault rifle from the StG-44”? It's a flaw on the part of the author.
Such authors always have some kind of pain in one place, if a simple person from the people has accomplished something brilliant.

[VI Kacheev]

For nazgul-ishe.
Thanks for the advice - I would rather have money - I made the first bullets with my own money! What, the current state DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE CREATION OF NEW TYPES OF SMALL WEAPONS?! I will answer myself - PERSONAL SELF INTEREST ABOVE THE INTERESTS OF SURVIVAL OF THE RUSSIA STATE IN A FUTURE WAR - THAT'S WHY THE CONCERN NAMED AFTER M.T. Kalashnikov is being done!!! It wasn't like this in 1941?! If you start testing my bullets in particular, IT IS "AUTOMATICALLY" to admit your own worthlessness!!! WHO WOULD GO TO SUICIDE BECAUSE OF SUCH A TRIPLE AS THE BLOOD OF A RUSSIAN SOLDIER?!

[Parabelum]

No sooner has the Kalashnikov concern appeared than it already turns out to be promoting and promoting “PERSONAL SELF-INTEREST ABOVE THE INTERESTS OF SURVIVAL OF THE RUSSIA STATE IN THE FUTURE WAR.” And there is no need to be capital, we can perfectly read small letters.

[vadimuch]

Dear author and some other authors!
Genius since Edison has not consisted of self-invention. All of the listed geniuses (undoubtedly) were organizers, and brilliant organizers in the field of science, technology and production. What they created at the head of the collectives is still our shield and sword. Understand the task, formulate it in accessible language for the team, track execution, correct errors - that’s all the main thing. Oh, and “push.” It couldn't be simpler. However, all modern leaders can only do the latter, and also the budget, i.e. sawing
Your article is harmful, promotes a liberal-slave position and works for the theory of “unwashed Russia”, a supplier of office plankton.

[VI Kacheev]

For the military - your quote: “It seems that the author’s motivation for writing this article is based on the ambitions of an unrecognized weapons genius... I would be glad to be wrong, but...”
I already wrote above that I have an ambition, which is expressed in the fact that if Russian patent experts and the Olin Corporation (USA) recognized that I managed to distinguish myself - MORE THAN 130 YEARS AFTER Krupp, then why not IMPLEMENT in METAL MY INVENTIONS?! What's bad about it?! But I understand perfectly well that this will NOT HAPPEN in Russia - where is the offense of the “unrecognized gunsmith genius”? Just a statement of a FACT - EXACTLY TO ME, THE RUSSIAN INVENTOR V.I. KACHEEV SUCCESSED, finally, "Germans" can wipe their noses. No one knows this fact DOES NOT DISPUTE opposing me with YOURS, BEST, TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS (inventions). What's the point of paying attention to the screaming of jingoistic patriots?! And on technical issues (comparing the designs of different brands of weapons), I am ready for dialogue.
Thank you everyone for participating in the debate,
with best wishes, V.I. KACHEEV.

[Support]

You went a slightly different route. And as a result, you lost possible allies and helpers. Don't touch the past, push the future forward. I repeat. You need to look for associates (you don’t have them? You can’t have them), look for sponsors, seek promotion of your invention. Remember, not all inventions took root easily - sometimes you have to fight. Did some “specialists” refuse? Contact another agency. But since you started promoting, it’s fundamentally wrong.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

I managed to distinguish myself - MORE THAN 130 YEARS AFTER Krupp, then why not IMPLEMENT MY INVENTIONS IN METAL?! What's bad about it?! But I understand perfectly well that this will NOT HAPPEN in Russia - where is the offense of the “unrecognized gunsmith genius”? Just a statement of a FACT - EXACTLY TO ME, THE RUSSIAN INVENTOR V.I. KACHEEV finally managed to wipe the nose of the “Germans”.

Dear Kacheev, exactly in this phrase there is the squeal of an offended genius...
I’m not trying to offend you... This is me, like a man...

Created something worthwhile???
Amazing !!!
A flag in your hands, a drum around your neck and a pipe in your teeth - this is what you wanted to hear???

Don't think that everyone will ooh and applaud.
Fight for your brainchild, and don’t denigrate a well-deserved weapon to please your pride.

[Aleks tv]

Strange article ...

Regarding the authorship of the weapon:
Even a drunken hedgehog in the remote taiga understands that weapons are not born NEW according to all ideas at once.
Mikhail Timofeevich put together several original ideas, added his own and gave the world a real MIRACLE.
He was able to do this, unlike others.
HONOR and PRAISE to him!

About reliability:
The whole world appreciates the AK. Dot. No comments needed.

Own opinion:
More than once I found myself in situations where without the Kalash there would have been nothing.
-In terms of reliability: I PERSONALLY DIGGED IT OUT, COVERED IT WITH EARTH, AND SHOOT FROM IT WITHOUT MISSING.
-In terms of accuracy: up to 400 meters I can hit a human-sized target even at my age.

I still remember the number of my FIRST AK, 7 digits..., the last 3 were the number of the bayonet knife (34 _ _ _ _ _)
It was an AK-74m.

[Sochi]

IG8117 AKM, carried 77-79, fired in any conditions without misfires.

[Djozz]

Until the mid-50s, AK-47 and SKS were carried in cases, because the weapon was classified, the AK47 was first shown in the film "Maxim Perepelitsa", if there were patents, they were classified as "Secret"!

[military]

Quote: Djozz

If there were any patents, they were classified as “Secret”!

there were no “patents” in the Union... the authors received the so-called. “Inventor’s certificate” (which was not essentially a document of protection)... for inventions for which the application had a stamp, the author’s certificate had only a number, date and full name. authors... without stating the formula and even without the name of the invention... at least, for me they are in this form... therefore, there is no need to dwell on the question “Was there a boy?” raised by the author...

[avt]

Quote: military

there were no “patents” in the Union... the authors received the so-called. “author’s certificate” (it was not essentially a document of protection)...

It’s a little different, our Certificates of Authorship were not recognized as a patent abroad, that’s the priority, as it was still possible to somehow discourage publication - not allow us to patent it, but in order to receive money from the invention, it was necessary to patent it, and not in one country and beyond specific convertible banknotes. So the state patented, paying and taking away the rights to the invention. Well, this was the system we had - Public, socialist, this is now capitalism - so spin as you want, or pay your own, or look for a sponsor. How Tesla Morgan.

[military]

Quote: avt

...in order to receive money from an invention, it was necessary to patent it, and not in one country and for specific convertible banknotes. So the state patented, paying and taking away the rights to the invention

"secret"?... "patent"?... abroad?... I beg you... How do you imagine “patenting” a stamped IZ in the states or Europe?... with the transfer of a set of application materials carefully translated into a foreign language?...
I was politely informed from VNIIGPE in 96, according to my last two “vultures” with positive decisions, that they no longer issue AS, and the procedure for registering patents (in the Russian Federation) for such applications has not been determined... the formula is not in the open dock state it and not publish it, and closed sources cannot and will not be taken into account by anyone if a problem of copyright infringement arises...
after which he spat and gave this lesson a cross...

[avt]

Quote: military

“secret”?... “patent”?... abroad?... I beg you..

“Elementary Watson” Well, of course, no one patents the most valuable and secret things. But when we are talking about foreign supplies and the possibility of obtaining a sample, no matter what way, then we talk about patenting and here they become as sophisticated as they can. The main thing is not to reveal, , know-how "the most important elements of a design or some method. The puzzle is still the same, but I can’t imagine who in 96 for those salaries would boil their brains

Quote: military

I was politely informed from VNIIGPE in 96, according to my last two “vultures” with positive decisions,

Well! Enough! Then everything was already collapsing and being sold off, the Japanese actually bought up the refusal fund, then it was easier and more honest to refuse under some plausible pretext, and no one would have given money to pay for the patent at state expense. I wasn’t there for long after the design bureau; I left in ’89.

[Djozz]

That's right, I forgot.

[MRomanovich]

All over the world in the weapons community, the reliability of the AK is not disputed by anyone, and the reliability of the AK is rated higher by everyone than other assault rifles, but no, there are always people who need to throw mud at Mikhail Timofeevich. I am sure that most (if not all) of these “experts” know weapons only from computer games or airsoft copies, or have even seen weapons only in magazines and the Internet. And that small part of these pseudo-experts, who nevertheless had the good fortune to hold a real weapon in their hands, does this with the goal of annoying everyone and everything in view of their inner bitterness or purposefully in order to sow confusion in the fragile minds of our youth.

[soldier's grandson]

maybe an article about the Chinese Kalash, then everything is correct

[svp67]

And WHAT is the article about? What are the author's personal interests? Was one of his relatives undeservedly forgotten? Author, wake up, any type of weapon is now the fruit of the work of the COLLECTIVE. In the USSR, since the 40s, it was universally accepted that the name of the weapon contained either the surname of the MANAGER or the corporate letter designation of the design bureau; there were, of course, exceptions, but they are rare. Can anyone really say that an artillery gun, a tank or an airplane was made by one person? Of course not, but it was so accepted and no one will change anything in the past now...

[Massik]

Why publish it here? I read nothing useful except to laugh a little

[sakmagon]

but don’t get excited, a person draws all his conclusions based on patents, which he is now working on for his own purposes, he really doesn’t succeed in anything else besides patents, but he caught his eye on an AK patent, on the basis of which he draws thoughtful conclusions and admits it himself, which compares two modifications of the same machine. The essence of the question is this: I’m a genius and they don’t recognize me, but Kalashnikov is a champion, and honor and glory to him, reduce your pride, go to church, repent of this sin and your invention will become easier if it’s worthwhile, you need to promote it in another way and not in a black way PR)))

[Taoist]

The author urgently needs to see a psychoanalyst (or, at worst, just a psychiatrist).
At first I thought that this was a banal “resunoid” (which, incidentally, is also a diagnosis), but here it’s “an unrecognized genius - an envious one”...
To be honest, I personally don’t really care whether “Sergeant Kalashnikov” was or wasn’t. The main thing is that unique mass-produced small arms were created. So simple that after 15 minutes of instruction even children could handle it. A weapon that did not require any tools to repair and maintain. A weapon that, despite all this, was VERY accurate in the hands of a skilled shooter. The list goes on...

Well, what about the author? Who will remember him in half a century? But Kalashnikov will be remembered.

[antibanukurayza]

The author is a suicide. When the whole world repeats at every step that there are no machine guns in the world equal to the Kalash in terms of reliability, the author is trying to prove that the earth is square. And this despite the fact that our enemies, the Americans, in one of the programs on the rating of small arms, raised the Kalash to first place in reliability and simplicity. Well, the M-16, of course, was raised higher than everyone else...
Aftorupaysyaapstoltyvofftop

[Jogan-xnumx]

I suggest that the author of the article take one AK, the one with the longest service life - the most broken one. And one cartridge for it. And try to shoot yourself. If the machine jams and the author remains in good health, This means he proved the complete unreliability of the AK!
I think that after this all the author’s opponents will enthusiastically perceive his other articles.
If not, the author’s opponents, having read the obituary, will rightfully consider themselves more competent in matters related to weapons...

[antibanukurayza]

From the realm of fantasy: “Given the popularity of the site, external enemies paid the author for a commissioned article about the unreliability of AK assault rifles.” Now the Russian Defense Ministry has expressed its readiness to purchase M-16s from the United States. And an article appeared on the site on the topic: Where to put all the Kalashes? Answer : Give it to the USA, let them transport it to Syria. They are much more reliable there in the sand and dust than those foreign analogues used by NATO mercenary forces.

[VI Kacheev]

For Alex TB - I quote you: “Don’t think that everyone will groan and applaud. Fight for your brainchild, and don’t denigrate a well-deserved weapon to please your pride.”
[b] [i]Like a man, so like a man.[/i][/b] I will try, to the best of my mental abilities, to establish differences in positions:
1. You a priori consider weapons developed by a team, for example AK-74, [b][i]THE MOST-MOST [/i][/b] - well, there are NO “MOST” weapons in the whole world.
[b][i]Have I stated your position correctly?[/i] [/b]
1.1. For me, a not at all stupid mechanical engineer, this weapon is SUBJECT OF THE STUDY - [b]that’s all![/b]
2. [b]Next, the psychology of a truly Russian person begins to work.[/b] Its essence is that how do you [b]DARE YOU CONDEMN our MOST-MOST?![/b] And you also show off your inventions - you’ve found a smart guy!!! This psychological attitude is hundreds of years old!!! As the history of the country has shown, the arguments of REASON are not perceived by truly Russian people. [b]DON'T TOUCH OUR EVERYTHING!!![/b] [b]"GERMAN" (a foreigner - in the generally accepted sense) may be smarter, but not you!!![/b] I'm not the first and, alas, not the last one to suffer such a fate - THAT MEANS I have done SOMETHING wrong before Heaven! You don’t have to look far for examples - for more than 40 years they haven’t [b]WANTED[/b] to establish the production of universal (not to be confused with controllable) ones, recognized as an invention in [b]THE USSR.[/b] What kind of conversation can there be about me?!
But a discussion with you is also an element of notification about my development. And in your opinion this is called a fight with [b]"Panfare." [/b] Sorry - I didn’t want to “interfere” anymore - if not like a man!!!

[Taoist]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

For me, a not at all stupid mechanical engineer, this weapon is a SUBJECT of research

Well, by the way, I’m also a mechanical engineer (military by the way) - but I just don’t see the “research”. Tables? Diagrams? Analysis of technical and technological solutions in comparison with analogues?
Available:
a) An attempt to question the authorship of Kalashnikov is generally understandable but of little interest. (see above)
b) An attempt, with one phrase taken out of context and, moreover, from an obscure document, to cast doubt on one of the main technical advantages of the AK scheme - reliability.

Study? Oh well...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

Sorry - I didn’t want to “interfere” anymore - if not like a man!!!

I had a hard time reading your entire comment...
There was already a squealing in my ears. A lot has been written in a chaotic manner.
There is no need to tear me apart to please the thoughts of your brains. Don't get them dirty. Okay?

AK is not the “best” from my point of view, as you wrote,
AK is “WHAT THE ARMY NEEDS”.
Is it clear ?
This is clear to me and to most of those who served.

And you, I say again - be a man - fight for your invention, and do not diss the Respected (deservedly!) weapon, raising your creations on this.
This does not make you look good either as a specialist or as a person.
Re-read your comment yourself - there is only one gall in it.
The “not stupid” (in your words) mechanical engineer is not visible at all in your comments.

I’m not attacking you or trying to insult you, I don’t really need this, but look at yourself from the outside...
You heard my (subjective of course) opinion.
I don't see any point in talking anymore.

[Earnest]

Quote: VI Kacheev

My inventions and my authorship are DOCUMENTED - see who wants it. But there is no copyright certificate for the AK-47 - although there are other A.S. in the museum. M.T. Kalashnikov. If there was a.s. USSR on an AK-47, then it would DEFINITELY BE EXHIBITED in a museum!!! But there is no such thing among others - so we are having a debate on this topic.

I would look with interest at how you would have drawn up an author’s certificate in the same 1947, with such an approach to other people’s successes. Who developed and patented the intermediate 7,62x39 mod. 1943? Where is your criticism on this topic? Judging by this article, if you had lived in those days, there would have been many documents in the archives signed by you, “I would like to bring to your attention that Kalashnikov is an enemy, Makarov is a spy, and Tokarev in general...”

[Free Island]

my opinion after reading the article is nothing at all... a set of letters, words, thoughts... some kind of uncontrollable chaos.... the author posted some link to some kind of patent... can I have a link to a certificate of the author’s sanity?

[sakmagon]

the characteristics of the AK have been confirmed for decades and millions of pieces, and no one says that in principle there is no better one, there is no better one for your tasks, to start a controversy based on a patent, ignoring practice, well, what kind of engineer are you after that, I’ll tell you which one - paper, they and stay, and if your invention is worthwhile, then unfortunately

[aleks77]

I don’t know the standards for the percentage of refusals, but somehow at the training camp in 2000. Before their end, the fire training teacher told us to dispose of the remaining cartridges (shoot everything, and collect the cartridges and dispose of them) and our holiday began. Somewhere after 10-12 magazines fired in long bursts, the AKM’s fore-end began to smoke and the palm of the hand began to smoke, after another 7-8 magazines there was a delay after the bolt was jerked, the shooting continued, but without enthusiasm the machine gun was unpleasant to hold in your hands, it smelled so hot .
I don’t know how this is considered reliable or not?

[Djozz]

And that during a clash they fire non-stop in long bursts, that the lining is already smoking, following your method you can ruin a Maxim machine gun by shooting non-stop until the water in the casing completely evaporates!

[aleks77]

So I’m not saying that they did the right thing, I’m asking that after such treatment it continued to work, is it considered reliability, or can anyone name more trouble-free examples of this weapons niche.

[Djozz]

Only CROWBAR!

[Proud.]

Out of curiosity, I entered this quote into the search engine:“The disadvantage of this model is low reliability, weapon failures when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low firing accuracy, and insufficiently high performance characteristics.”Here's what happened: “One of the main problems that faced the developers during the deployment of serial production of the AK was the stamping technology used to make the receiver. The first releases had a receiver made from a fairly large number of sheet stampings and milled from forging parts. A high percentage of defects forced the transition to milling technology in 1953. At the same time, a number of measures made it possible not only to prevent an increase in the weight of the weapon, but also to reduce it relative to samples with a stamped receiver, so the new sample was designated as the “Lightweight 7,62-mm Kalashnikov assault rifle ( AK)". In addition to the modified design of the receiver, it was also distinguished by the presence of stiffening ribs on the magazines (early magazines had smooth walls), the possibility of attaching a bayonet (the early version of the weapon was adopted without a bayonet) and a number of other, smaller details. In the future Over the years, the design of the AK has also been continuously improved. The development team noted “low reliability, weapon failures when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of fire, insufficiently high performance characteristics" of serial models early models!". Further. In 1997, the Eurasian Patent Office issued a patent to Mikhail Kalashnikov. True, not for the machine gun itself, but for technical solutions for its modernization. This document states: “The disadvantage of this model (AK-47) is low reliability, weapon failures when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of fire, insufficiently high performance characteristics.” Then why in 2006, the Military Channel, based on a survey of American and British gunsmith and military experts, put the Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle in first place? It received perfect scores in all categories except accuracy.

[Sochi]

Did Sergei Pavlovich Korolev personally draw and sharpen every detail for the rocket? but he developed a rocket and was the chief designer... The designers of airplanes and tanks also led teams that developed the ideas of the CHIEF DESIGNERS, and at the same time defended heaps of patents, improvement proposals, inventions... And no one is going to take away or belittle Kamov’s authorship, Sukhoi, Lavochkin, Koshkin, Grabin... The list can be continued for a very long time. And the reliability of the machine and its components has been proven by time and by our opponents.

[Varies]

they are already encroaching on something sacred - Russian weapons, with which half the world fights and does not complain, but on the contrary, they even praise them and hang them on flags.

[gagarinneon]

I have not met (or read) a more idiot than the author of this article........
I apologize, of course, for “idiot,” but I don’t think there’s a better word.
I personally walked through the mountains of Dagestan and Chechnya and never remember that a weapon let me down. I generally consider the AKMSl-74 to be one of the best assault weapons.

[goody]

Monstrous nonsense, the author clearly did not serve in the Armed Forces and did not even hold it in his hands . Ugh article - I didn’t even bother to read after the first paragraph...

[assassin]

nonsense! This is a no brainer, why focus attention, there is nothing to do, go dig a dam near Khabarovsk!

[VI Kacheev]

For Taoists - your quote: "a) An attempt to question the authorship of Kalashnikov is generally understandable but of little interest. (See above)"
Let me clarify - what you think "obscure document" - patent WO 99/05467 (A1), according to which M.T. Kalashnikov is one of the co-authors. Where is the doubt in CO-AUTHORITY?! It’s not my fault for the peculiarities of your military education! Subject of research - Myths about weapons AK-47 and AK-74. Has anyone provided graphs and tables for COMPARATIVE tests of, say, the M-16 and AK-74? Who revealed the METHOD FOR DETERMINING the reliability of the AK-47? So - empty verbiage according to the principle: “The whole world knows that...”, or are the Gordey TV channel mistaken for technical experts)?! like this "method" I question the TV channel’s determination of reliability. How so, M.T. Kalashnikov and 5 more of his colleagues admit that the AK-47 is unreliable (in a patent), and the TV channel claims the opposite?! Who should know better, the co-developers or the TV channel?! MINDLESSLY REPEATING TV channel, you are creating a myth.

[VI Kacheev]

For Earnest - okay, let's discuss the issue of patenting weapons - both in 1947 and 1979, as well as the 7.62X39 mm cartridge. Briefly I mentioned that this cartridge is a compilation of the German one. I don’t know why this cartridge was not patented - I patented mine (2486438RU). Why M.T. Kalashnikov not COMPLETED applications for a USSR copyright certificate are not my problem. I state that there is NO FREE ACCESS on the AK-47 from the USSR. If anyone knows, tell me where to find it. The AK-1979 was patented in 74!!! But very stupidly - they chose the PREVIOUS model - AK-47 - as a PROTOTYPE. But they could have taken the M-16 as a prototype! Who or what prevented you from doing this?! What to accept as a prototype - ALL ON THE AUTHORS - whatever you want, then accept it. Patent examiners will then make adjustments. BUT, ONLY IN THE WILL OF THE AUTHORS IS THE CHOICE OF A PROTOTYPE!!!

[Aleksys2]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

as well as a 7.62X39 mm cartridge. Briefly I mentioned that this cartridge is a compilation of the German one.

For a start

compilation - (lat. compilatio robbery; accumulation of extracts, collection of documents) work compiled by borrowing and not containing its own generalizations or interpretations; non-independent work;

Next:
Work on creating an intermediate cartridge in the USSR began back in 1939, although the question of this was raised much earlier. To study the issue, a 5,45 mm caliber cartridge was developed, and the task was given to design a self-loading rifle for this cartridge. However, due to the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War, the designers were switched to more relevant work.
The development of an intermediate cartridge was started again in 1943, after the participants of the Technical Council of the People's Commissariat of Armaments (NKV) were familiarized with captured samples captured at the front from the Nazis, as well as with the American M1 self-loading carbine, which was made available to the USSR for review.
Particular attention of specialists was attracted by the new German cartridge of 7,92 mm caliber with a sleeve length of 33 mm and the MKV 42 [N] carbine developed for it, which was tested in the active army. This 48 mm long cartridge had a mass of 16,2 g. With a bullet weight of 8,2 g and an initial speed of 700 m/s, it provided accurate shooting at a distance of 800 m. At the meeting, it was decided that it was necessary to develop a cartridge of reduced power to replace the rifle cartridge in such types of weapons as self-loading (automatic) rifles and light machine guns, as well as new types of small arms for them. Based on the new intermediate cartridge, it was possible to create a lightweight individual automatic weapon with a greater effective firing range than a submachine gun. OKB-44 was appointed responsible for the development of the new cartridge (later NII-44, which in 1949 became part of NII-61 and was reorganized in 1966 into TsNIITOCHMASH).
To determine the optimal characteristics of the cartridge, calculations were carried out to select the bullet speed and its mass for calibers 5,6 mm, 6,5 mm, and 7,62 mm. These calibers were chosen as the most frequently encountered in practice.
The following requirements were imposed on the new 7,62 mm cartridge: the cartridge case must be of a modern shape - without a flange; smaller weight and dimensions than a rifle cartridge; cartridge power reduced to 20% (compared to a rifle); the bullet energy at a distance of 1000 m should have been at least 25 kgm. The intermediate cartridge was to be used for firing from an automatic carbine-machine gun, a self-loading rifle and a light machine gun. The weapon chambered for the new cartridge had to be lightweight, including by reducing the barrel length. For the same purpose, it was considered possible to use thin rifle barrels for submachine gun carbines (machine guns) without fear of overheating, because They were supposed to be fired mainly with single shots and only occasionally, at the most critical moments of the battle, with automatic fire. Considering the flatness of the trajectory to be one of the main characteristics of the cartridge, OKB-44 decided from the very beginning that our cartridge should be better than the German one. The 7,92x33 cartridge had a direct shot range (DPV) of 300 m; for ours, the DPV was assumed to be equal to 325 m. And already on September 3, 1943, the NKV Technical Council reviewed the first two versions of the cartridge, one of them was chosen (later called 7,62 .1943-mm cartridge model XNUMX). After the September meeting, all weapons design bureaus and the research site for small arms and mortar weapons of the GAU (NIPSMVO) began developing weapons for a promising machine gun cartridge.
It is a shame!

[Taoist]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

Subject of research - Myths about weapons AK-47 and AK-74

You can laugh, of course, but such comparisons have been made more than once. As well as the banal “shot to failure” and more serious life tests under conditions of critical pollution and other things.
There are also more banal YouTube style checks http://topwar.ru/30039-kalashnikov-eto-sila.html
I won’t tell you about my experience... (and it exists not only in relation to the AK but also in relation to its “main competitor”)
You based your statement on one phrase from an English-language patent received half a century after the events described and, moreover, taken out of context. Because “insufficient reliability” is not a definition. "insufficient" in relation to what? How "insufficient"? You say that you are an engineer? So where are the numbers? Interest? Exact ratios? Are you saying that the reliability of AK is a myth? Well, prove it! At a minimum, showing a more reliable solution for small arms.

[VI Kacheev]

For Taoists - thank you for the correct debate. I do not question the fact that the weapons you named were subject to periodic life tests, as well as failure (malfunction) tests. TV commercials as confirmation of the reliability of operation in dusty conditions are nonsense! If only because there is NO CONTINUOUS DISPLAY OF TIME ON THE SCREEN. How to check that the sample that was taken out of the dust chamber was shot - only by continuously displaying the time - in order to exclude editing. Or maybe they didn’t shoot the sample that was in the dust chamber, but only the one SPRINKLED WITH DUST ON TOP, but cleaned inside?! All terms about the lack of reliability of the AK-47 were written (and signed) by the co-authors of the application - any questions for me?! What they wrote is me and REPEAT!!!
But I really like this quote from you: “Well, prove it! At least by showing a more reliable solution for small arms.” The correct formulation of the question. It's me and I WISH do - by starting testing bullets with your own money. And then we need ACTIONS from structures, in particular, TsNIITochMash. A representative of it called and offered to test the bullets for my money?! Can you imagine these guys - my inventions will be implemented by the state, and I also have to pay for it!!! It seems like there, in the wild west, the inventor is paid money for an invention (patent)!!! But Russia is a special country - the birthplace of elephants - what can I say?!

[Aleksys2]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

TV commercials as confirmation of the reliability of operation in dusty conditions are nonsense! If only because there is NO CONTINUOUS DISPLAY OF TIME ON THE SCREEN.

[Taoist]

You are very much confusing cause and effect.
1) The inventor is indeed paid money for a patent - but only if the inventor managed to interest (prove) that his patented solution is interesting for commercial reproduction. And here the burden of “creating an evidence base” lies precisely with the author of the invention.
2) Based on point 1. there is no difference between the state (as a potential customer and investor) and other “legal entities”.
3) A patent confirms only the fact of the “novelty of the invention” - it is not proof of the “need and interest” of it.

The “need and interest” (and, as a synonym, reliability) of the AK has been confirmed both by time and by the largest circulation in the history of small arms. Denial (or doubt) of this fact at least confirms the lack of logic or some kind of “interest” in precisely presenting the question in this way.

Translating the formal language into the “language of native aspens” I can only say one thing - “fire, comrade!”

[Corsair5912]

Translation: The disadvantage of this model is the low reliability, failures of the weapon when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of shooting, and insufficiently high performance.
In my opinion, on the basis of the above, it is correct to call this brand of weapon as follows: “the AK-47 machine gun named after MT. Kalashnikov "! For dissenting readers, indicate the irrationality in my conclusion.

When will Russophobes get tired of repeating the same lies?
The AK-47 was put into service in the middle of the last century and was produced in many countries around the world, precisely for its high performance characteristics, with simplicity and low cost of production.
And why cling to the name? The Tupolev design bureau consisted of more than just Tupolev, and the plane was named after him. As Kozma Prutkov said:

Returning home from service,
The young landowner, loving success in everything,
He gathered his peasants: “Friends, there is a connection between us -
Pledge of joy;
Let’s go, my friends, to inspect the fields!”
And the devotion of the peasants was inflamed by this speech,
He went shopping with them.
"What's mine here?" “Yes, that’s it,” answered the head, “
Here is timothy grass..."
“Fraudster!” he cried, “you acted criminally!”
Self-interest is beyond my reach;
I'm not looking for someone else's; I love my rights!
Of course, I’ll regret giving away my grass;
But return this one to Timothy immediately!”

This opportunity, for me, is not new.
Antonov is fire, but there is no law,
So that the fire always belongs to Anton.

(Antonov fire is the popular name for gangrene).

[bunta]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

I already wrote above that I have an ambition, which is expressed in the fact that if Russian patent experts and the Olin Corporation (USA) recognized that I managed to distinguish myself - MORE THAN 130 YEARS AFTER Krupp, then why not IMPLEMENT in METAL MY INVENTIONS?!

The most effective way to silence a genius is to accept his ideas on faith, admit that he is a great man, and forget about him. (c) J. Bernard Shaw.

[Taoist]

Everything is clear with the “client”. “They offended the mole, they peed in the hole” (c)
But what does Kalashnikov have to do with it?

[VI Kacheev]

EVERYONE! EVERYONE! EVERYONE! - WHO POURED DIRT ON ME!
link: http://www.nakanune.ru/service/print.php?news=2324905
12:30 24.09.2013 | economy
The new Kalashnikov AK-12 has not been approved for state testing.
The Ministry of Defense did not allow the Izhmash concern's new product, the Kalashnikov, to undergo state testing - the AK-12 assault rifle, developed as part of the creation of the new generation of combat equipment "Ratnik", writes Izvestia with reference to the headquarters of the Ground Forces. “The AK-12 assault rifle and other products based on it have not passed preliminary tests and have not been submitted for state tests at all. Instead, an assault rifle from the Degtyarev plant was chosen for state tests as the “Ratnik” combat equipment complex,” the publication quotes its interlocutor. According to the chief designer of the Degtyarev plant, Vladimir Gromov, we are talking about a new small arms based on the AEK-971 assault rifle, developed in the 1980s. A member of the testing commission from the Ground Forces told the publication that Degtyarev’s new assault rifle showed better accuracy and accuracy of fire, including when firing in bursts from unstable positions. At the same time, the samples presented by Izhmash (now the Kalashnikov concern) did not suit the military either in terms of reliability, accuracy, or ergonomics.

The High Command of the Ground Forces added that the Kalashnikov concern has about a month to eliminate the shortcomings identified in preliminary tests.

“If it shows the necessary characteristics, we will allow it to undergo state testing, but this is unlikely. Our requirements were known to the people of Izhevsk two years ago, and, nevertheless, they were unable to create a weapon that satisfies them. I doubt that they will be able to do it this is for a month,” the publication quotes its interlocutor as saying.

[The Indian Joe]

So what? They created better weapons - honor and praise to them. How does the fact of creating a new AK model detract from the reliability of the Kalashnikov assault rifle?

[VI Kacheev]

EVERYONE! EVERYONE! EVERYONE! - WHO POURED DIRT ON ME!
link: http://www.nakanune.ru/service/print.php?news=2324905
12:30 24.09.2013 | economy
The new Kalashnikov AK-12 has not been approved for state testing.
The Ministry of Defense did not allow the Izhmash concern's new product, the Kalashnikov, to undergo state testing - the AK-12 assault rifle, developed as part of the creation of the new generation of combat equipment "Ratnik", writes Izvestia with reference to the headquarters of the Ground Forces. “The AK-12 assault rifle and other products based on it have not passed preliminary tests and have not been submitted for state tests at all. Instead, an assault rifle from the Degtyarev plant was chosen for state tests as the “Ratnik” combat equipment complex,” the publication quotes its interlocutor. According to the chief designer of the Degtyarev plant, Vladimir Gromov, we are talking about a new small arms based on the AEK-971 assault rifle, developed in the 1980s. A member of the testing commission from the Ground Forces told the publication that Degtyarev’s new assault rifle showed better accuracy and accuracy of fire, including when firing in bursts from unstable positions. At the same time, the samples presented by Izhmash (now the Kalashnikov concern) did not suit the military either in terms of reliability, accuracy, or ergonomics.

The High Command of the Ground Forces added that the Kalashnikov concern has about a month to eliminate the shortcomings identified in preliminary tests.

“If it shows the necessary characteristics, we will allow it to undergo state testing, but this is unlikely. Our requirements were known to the people of Izhevsk two years ago, and, nevertheless, they were unable to create a weapon that satisfies them. I doubt that they will be able to do it this is for a month,” the publication quotes its interlocutor as saying.

[Aleksys2]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

EVERYONE! EVERYONE! EVERYONE! - WHO POURED DIRT ON ME!
link: http://www.nakanune.ru/service/print.php?news=2324905
12:30 24.09.2013 | economy
The new Kalashnikov AK-12 has not been approved for state testing.

Our answer to Chamberlain!
http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2013/9/24/22324945/
News
24.09.2013/12/39 14:39 Moscow time (XNUMX:XNUMX Ekb)
The “decline” of Kalashnikov is not expected: the Ministry of Defense has no alternative to the AK.

Today in Izvestia there was information that the new generation Kalashnikov assault rifle AK-12 was not approved for state testing, and the plant named after Izhmash became a competitor. Degtyarev with a machine gun based on the AEK-971. At the same time, the publication’s anonymous “sources” predict that the Ministry of Defense will refuse to purchase the legendary AKs. Experts interviewed by Nakanune.RU believe that in this situation we can confidently talk about the struggle of lobbyists, and not about the failure of Izhevsk gunsmiths.
According to Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense, it is possible to draw conclusions about the advantages and disadvantages only after testing.
“The AK-12 is being tested; it is a very good machine, which has a number of undoubted advantages. The testing and development stage is an obligatory element in the development of any modern firearms. Conclusions about the advantages and disadvantages should be drawn after all these tests are completed; additional ones will be introduced changes from the point of view of military requirements. After this, it will be possible to draw final conclusions regarding the characteristics and future fate of this machine gun," the expert believes.
At the same time, he notes that previously both the military and members of the military-industrial commission spoke positively about the AK-12.
“The Kalashnikov assault rifle is the most popular assault rifle, the main standard firearm in the Russian army, therefore, obviously, the transition to new types of automatic weapons on a massive scale will be carried out precisely on the basis of the products that the Kalashnikov concern is developing. I am in no way belittling the merits other design bureaus and developments, in any case, there will be fair competition and the winner will be determined on clear and transparent conditions,” suggests Korotchenko...

This news appeared 9 minutes after yours! And you couldn’t help but see her.
And again... It's a shame!

[Taoist]

The bat is itching...

“The director of one enterprise wrote a letter to the Center for Mathematical Modeling.
"There is an enchanting character Vasily Ivanovich Kacheev, who, having crossed a shuttlecock for badminton, a bullet from pneumatics and a sperm, received a unique bullet: http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2484416 http://militaryrussia.ru/forum/viewtopic. php? f = 840 & t = 2500

everything would be fine, there are a lot of such clowns, but our Vasily Ivanovich got into the epistolary genre hard, and our scribbler began to write everywhere about how brilliant he is, and how everyone around him is, because there is no way to give money just like that for all sorts of crap, so no, they force a genius getting dirty with tests and examinations, a patent that is? Eat! Give me money! Everything is as simple as feces.
And our scribbler writes and writes, in his pants, on fences, to the State Duma, to the military-industrial complex, to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, to TsNIITOCHMASH, to the Ministry of Defense, to the President and to the sportslotto. Well, also in all sorts of boarding schools, where all sorts of idiots certainly offend him, refusing to understand his genius, but rub his nose in his lack of education and engineering bewilderment. Nobody wants to appreciate the idea that if a bullet is lubricated with something slippery (well, with the same sperm, for example), then the air resistance will decrease! And the bullet will definitely fly faster, higher and more accurately. , head, it’s not for Vasily Ivanovich’s hat.
Well, such gems are completely patented.

But, it’s such a custom in our country that even letters from a patient ready for hospitalization in Kashchenko must be answered, and letters are circulating from the State Duma to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, from the military-industrial complex, etc. and everyone converges on TsNIITOCHMASH, and all this writing cruelly wastes the time of normal and valuable specialists, and destroys the brain of the director of the institute, Semizorov D.Yu., who is forced to write down reasonable objections to this nonsense.

I made an attempt to negotiate with the patient about carrying out tests, but to hell with it, after being naughty and fucked, our Vasily Ivanovich got really stupid and refused to communicate with me, maybe he was offended that I called him a prima donna in menopause, or maybe because he promised to beat him up for that he mocked me for being a 'fool'.

We have never seen practical tests of the flight of a metal sperm smeared with slippery dick and victoriously breaking through everything in the world. But the story does not end, now Vasily Ivanovich in distant Ugra, wiping away tears of hatred, holding a grubby pencil in trembling fingers with bitten nails, writes my name into his long black list, everyone who offended him there, everything is written down when Vasily Ivanovich gets rich , having sold his patent to the bourgeoisie (although he missed the deadline for filing an international application, but all the little things), now he will dance on the bones of his enemies. Yes, and with him, he would become rich in thoughts, but no, because our scribbler will not stop writing and normal people will be forced to sort this out again during their valuable working time.

Therefore, the idea arose of how to defeat the forces of good and light, the black, stinking garbage. Vadim, help me make a model to make sure that this iron sperm can fly only if it is dropped from an airplane.

Sincerely,......."

By the way, Kacheev’s bullet, as a result of mathematical modeling, showed (in comparison with a conventional bullet) 3.5 times worse performance in aerodynamics, and 60 times worse in gyroscopic stability! and a tendency to self-destruction due to the form." (c)

http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/83/1212808.html

But what does Kalashnikov have to do with it?

[VI Kacheev]

I don't see yours "response to Chamberlain" follow the link: http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2013/9/24/22324945/"
It's only AN ATTEMPT TO PRESENT WHAT IS DESIRED AS ACTUAL.
The desired thing is that, supposedly, "NO ALTERNATIVE TO AK-12!"
The reality is that THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE - AEK-971, which will undergo state tests!
AK-12 before state tests NOT ALLOWED but the concern
"Kalashnikov" has a MONTH to eliminate shortcomings. I quote: “At the same time, the samples presented by Izhmash (now the Kalashnikov concern) did not suit the military in any way. reliability, nor by accuracy, nor by ergonomics."
The AK-12 design does not have PRINCIPAL DIFFERENCES from AK-74 and AK-47!!! And M.T. himself WROTE about the unreliability of the AK-47. Kalashnikov and FIVE more colleagues in patent WO 99/05467 (A1). Russian Defense Ministry (life!) agreed with the opinion of M.T. Kalashnikov and did not allow the AK-12, which inherited ALL THE DISADVANTAGES of the AK-47, before state tests.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

The desired thing is that, supposedly, “THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE AK-12!”

Got it......................
Well, I really already got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, none of the military will mind if small arms appear that will be better in reliability, accuracy and ease of use than the AK.
Moreover, it is inexpensive to manufacture and easy to train fighters.

But your approach on this site is to POUR BIL on everyone and everything for the sake of your own ambitions.
This is unworthy of both a Russian person and a Russian gunsmith.
For me, the combination of your communication style and AEK already seems like an insult to this weapon.
These are the conclusions that emerge after reading your comments...

Can hare talk in this way???
Well, he's a know-it-all.
Have at least some respect for those to whom you write and about what (AK) you write about.

[Aleksys2]

Quote: V. I. Kacheev

This is just an ATTEMPT TO PASS WHAT IS DESIRED AS ACTUAL.

Have you tried looking in the mirror?

At the same time, a representative of the High Command of the Ground Forces explained that state tests are tests for state money. “Since the state doesn’t want to pay for testing the machine gun, it means it doesn’t need it. And no one forbids modifying the AK-12. In any case, the final decision on mass purchases will be made in 2014 after state tests and trial operation by the troops, a representative of the Ground Forces explained.
He added that for the military tests for the army several hundred samples of new machine guns, machine guns and sniper rifles will be purchased. Moreover, he did not rule out that the AK-12 would also be "taken to shoot."
The editor-in-chief of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, Viktor Murakhovsky, explained that the Kovrov machine gun has not been put into mass production, so the company will have to carry out a significant modernization of production. In addition, the Kovrov plant is a private enterprise, the share of military products occupies 12–15% of its total production volume. Therefore, if there is a large order for these machines, they will have to significantly expand production.
The chief designer of Kovrovsky, Vladimir Gromov, is counting on state help to purchase machine tools to create a production line of new machines.

[VI Kacheev]

Injun Joe sent an opus to my e-mail, to which I briefly answer: :
1. THERE ARE NO FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES IN THE DESIGN OF ONE NAME OF WEAPON OF THE AK FAMILY FROM ANOTHER!
2. AK-12 said: “Get out,” and AEK-971 said: “Welcome to the state tests for the RATNIK ROC!!!”
3. Therefore, the AEK-971 is more reliable than the AK-12!!!

[savarineko]

“Welcome” was said not by 971, but by 545, and that was far from final.

[Soviet_Union]

The disadvantage of the AK is its RELIABILITY. And businessmen from the military-industrial complex and all kinds of inventors do not like this.