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Myths about AK-47 and AK-74 weapons

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(a brief review of comments on the article The history of the assault rifle MP-43 from 21 September 2013 of the year)


Internet communication, if carried out correctly, will help get rid of the myths that were created during the Soviet era, but are reproduced by the current one - the complete opposite of it. An example of such a myth is weapon (automata) in the review title - already the concern was named after M.T. Kalashnikov!
As AK-47 has unquestionable quality - unsurpassed reliability. But M.T. Kalashnikov, his son Victor, and four colleagues write about the absence of this - the following montage of 1 and 3 WO 99 / 05467 (A1) sheets.

With the 1 Myth, the clarity is complete - the authors recognized - AK-47 does not have reliability!





Patent can be found here..

Translation: The disadvantage of this model is the low reliability, failures of the weapon when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of shooting, and insufficiently high performance.

Let's try to deal with the authorship. It is documented by patent WO 99 / 05467, that MT. Kalashnikov is a co-author of AK-74. There is no free access, but most likely there is no copyright certificate of the USSR, in which M.T. Kalashnikov is the only author or co-author of AK-47. In 1946, Sergeant Kalashnikov served on the range in the division of V.F. Fierce. In the same year, the sample submitted by Kalashnikov was tested and a conclusion was drawn on it - a quote from ... “the system is imperfect and cannot be refined”. Is it only Sergeant Kalashnikov who created the rejected option, or one of the officers told him which node to “borrow” is unknown - after all, the experience and knowledge of the officers who tested a lot of weapons and the knowledge of the Kalashnikov tank Sergeant were not comparable! We must not forget that the officers were not only Hugo Schmeiser’s Mkb42 / MP43.

V.F. Fierce, he said, made 18 suggestions for changing the original design, as if he forgot the negative conclusion and wrote a letter of recommendation to the Kovrov plant - to assist in finalizing the tested sample.

Taking into account the above, let everyone answer the question: “Could Sergeant Kalashnikov be the author of the idea (concept) of the machine gun or head the technical leadership in the group of officers?” The memoirs of contemporaries about the creation of the AK-47.

At the factory, design engineer A.A. Zaitsev, let's say correctly, by working together with technologists and Kalashnikov, was instructed to create samples for testing - the one brought was declared unusable. In this variant (prototype), approximately 400 changes were made - in addition to the 18 proposals made by V.F. Fierce!

Briefly reviewed the two stages of creating the AK-47. Collectives are changing, but only that MT is consistent There is always a Kalashnikov in the lineup - he seems to be “in action” in the process of the birth of AK-47!

By the way, in Kovrov, the former machine-gun machine, and now the “Vasily Alekseevich Degtyaryov Plant,” was put on its feet by Vladimir Grigorievich Fedorov (1874 - 1966) was the designer of the first “intermediate” caliber cartridge in the Russian Empire 6,5 mm, as well as the world's first automatic rifle for this cartridge!

It was reliably established that the AK-47 prototypes that were on the test of the second stage of the competition were created and manufactured in Kovrov! The past cannot be rectified, as well as the fact that Fate favored only M.T. Kalashnikov - he transports, from the landfill to the plant in Kovrov and back, different types of weapons - he is called the ONLY designer AK-47!

In my opinion, on the basis of the above, it is correct to call this brand of weapon as follows: “the AK-47 machine gun named after MT. Kalashnikov "! For dissenting readers, indicate the irrationality in my conclusion.

There is a patent WO 99 / 05467 as evidence that a weapon under the name AK-74 was created by a team in which MT Kalashnikov - one of the sponsors. But if the other co-authors do not object to their obscurity, and also against the fact that the “face of the company” is MT. Kalashnikov, then why should we not properly show our teeth to each other - when debunking Myths ?! Let's live in peace!

1. http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&page=0&ST=singleline&query=WO9905467&locale=en_EP&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com
2. http://www.mk.ru/print/articles/170356-razrabotchik-strelkovogo-oruzhiya-dmitriy-shiryaev-legendarnyiy-kalashnikov-ne-oruzheynik-a-podstavnoe
3. http://geraldika.udmurt.info/simvol/kalash/
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  1. domokl
    domokl 23 September 2013 07: 43
    36
    It is clear that when something new is being created, whether it’s an airplane or an airplane, the designer uses not only the ideas of others, but also the brains of others to develop some kind of components or parts. There is no dispute about this. The time of the ingenious inventors alone has long passed.
    I do not think that Kalashnikov will dispute this. But the fact that having all the achievements of others, someone combined them into a single one, and I am not afraid of this ingenious word, creation is the merit of merit. Then many have finalized, but the idea of ​​Sergeant Kalashnikov.
    So I think that the author, striving for historical justice (if you can call it that), slightly distorted the maps ...
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 08: 23
      14
      I would like to add, why does the author call cartridge 6.5 intermediate? This is the Japanese Arisaka rifle cartridge. For me, this speaks of the competence of the author
      1. Leonid SK
        Leonid SK 23 September 2013 08: 35
        +5
        Degtyarev created an intermediate cartridge with a short sleeve based on the Japanese 6,5 mm. But in service they did not accept him. there was a huge supply of Japanese ammunition.
        1. Rosomaha67
          Rosomaha67 23 September 2013 09: 08
          0
          ...... and in terms of dynamic characteristics, he was close to the cartridges that we now call intermediate .......
        2. maxvet
          maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 34
          +1
          But as far as I know, Fedorov used the rifle cartridge
      2. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 23 September 2013 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: maxvet
        why does the author call cartridge 6.5 intermediate? This is the Japanese Arisaka rifle cartridge.

        Fedorov was working to create a new cartridge, specially adapted for use in automatic weapons.
        In 1913, he began testing a new automatic (already in the modern sense of the word, that is, firing in bursts) rifle under the 6,5-mm cartridge of its own design.
        Fedorov’s cartridge had a muzzle energy of about 3100 J (versus 3600-4000 J of a full-time Russian 7,62-mm cartridge), which made it more suitable for automatic weapons, and a sleeve without a protruding rim, which made it possible to reliably feed it from a large-capacity store.
        But with the outbreak of World War I, there was no question of the development and mass production of a new cartridge. In 1915, Fedorov adapted his rifle to an even weaker Japanese cartridge of the caliber 6,5 × 50 mm Arisaka. These cartridges were purchased by the government along with the Japanese Arisaka carbines and were in stock in significant quantities. The main manufacturers of Japanese-style cartridges for Russia were British firms - Kainok, the Woolwich royal arsenal, as well as the Petrograd cartridge factory (200 — 300 thousand per month, according to the factory museum).
        It should be especially noted that both Fedorov’s cartridge and Arisak’s cartridge are typical rifle cartridges in terms of their ballistic properties, albeit of reduced caliber and power, but not at all like intermediate ones, as claimed by some sources. True, according to such “paper” characteristics as the caliber and muzzle energy of a bullet, the Arisak cartridge in a specific case of its use in the Fedorov’s assault rifle (with a barrel relatively short compared to a conventional rifle) is really comparable with the most powerful of the intermediate intermediate cartridges designed for a specific task destruction of targets protected by means of individual armor protection - such as 6,8 × 43 mm Remington SPC or 6,5 × 38 mm Grendel - but at the same time due to the use of much less advanced technologies in its design in terms of weight, dimensions and recoil momentum, it corresponded exactly to rifle cartridges (the Arisaka cartridge weighed 21 grams, the cartridge for the Mosin rifle - 22,7 ... 25,1 grams; their sizes were also very close), and therefore it was still too large and hard for successful use in manual automatic weapons such as machine guns in the modern sense of the word.
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 02
        0
        Tru-Fedorovsky cartridge was just intermediate. With Arisakinsky was only common caliber.
    2. Crocodile
      Crocodile 23 September 2013 09: 32
      28
      This is bent!
      AK-47 has no reliability!
      Have they tried to explain to the Afghan spirits that they have been fighting for nearly a hundred years?
      And then they seem to have succumbed to Soviet propaganda, they were ready to give everything for Kalash!
      The world used the most massive weapons in the world until a respected author -> author -> author opened his eyes to us!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 06
        0
        But it should be remembered that the AK-47 was the so-called microscopic series of pre-production prototypes, and they really did not have reliability. But the serial Kalashnikov assault rifles of the 1949 model - no one will say about them that they are unreliable. But I personally like AKC more -74.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 23 September 2013 10: 06
      18
      What nonsense ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???
      That would be a ride on mail.ru ...
      about the intermediate cartridge 6.5))))
      about 400 changes to the machine where a dozen parts))))
      Sergeant Kalashnikov-constructor !!!!!!, what does the rank of lieutenants mean, they probably tried to cram into co-authors (well, if you proceed from the LOGIC)))
      Patent from the category of Katyn falsifications))))

      in general BROWN (wasted time)))))
      1. Volkolak
        Volkolak 23 September 2013 12: 54
        +4
        Quote: Asgard
        That would be a ride on mail.ru ...

        It seems that McCain was writing an article. This is his answer to Putin through obsiralovo AK. laughing
    4. Yura
      Yura 23 September 2013 10: 33
      +6
      If someone told me what place of this machine, consisting of a little more than a dozen details, you can stick in 400 changes and 18 sentences to increase its reliability ?? !!!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 24 September 2013 03: 58
        +2
        Quote: Jura
        in which place of this machine, consisting of a little more than a dozen parts, you can stick 400 changes and 18 sentences

        The author of the article in a famous place am wassat
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 09
        0
        They say that when the Germans disengaged from the G-3, then they wanted to transfer the AK-74 to the NATO cartridge and take it into service. And all because of the legendary Kalashnikov reliability.
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 23 September 2013 11: 44
      14
      Quote: domokl
      So I think that the author, striving for historical justice (if you can call it that), slightly distorted the maps ...


      Author, a little Troll. From the most foul category - the old man wants to foul old age with his libel. We have a whole galaxy of these appeared - insulting veterans, this is one of them.

      In theory, this article should be deleted, it’s not the case here such material has been published, even if it is published in one's own estate, on porn sites.
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 23 September 2013 07: 43
    10
    AK- VERY RELIABLE automatic machine. Another thing, accuracy is lame. I hope that this drawback will be eliminated on the AK-12.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 23 September 2013 08: 44
      +1
      AK, as a mass machine for the 7 millionth army of that time, is even nothing, despite its accuracy. But for special forces - yes.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 23 September 2013 09: 44
      12
      Another thing, accuracy is lame.

      Learn to shoot and use normal ammo.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 September 2013 11: 00
      +6
      It beats tolerably short, and it’s great to be single, it’s ALREADY PUNCHING FORCE 7,62 is generally a fairy tale ...
      1. Walking
        Walking 23 September 2013 16: 59
        0
        When firing American Winchester cartridges, the accuracy was excellent. Unfortunately, the quality of Soviet cartridges was not up to par.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 13
          0
          Much depends on what kind of Soviet ammunition. 7,62 times of the war - those that equipped the SCS - they yes, were not up to par. But about 5,45 you have no right to say so.
    4. Basarev
      Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 11
      0
      Not so much suffering. I have a friend - a veteran of four wars. He went through the whole of Afghanistan from beginning to end, went both Chechen and fought in Georgia. So he never complained about the accuracy of the AK-74.
  3. Paul
    Paul 23 September 2013 07: 44
    13
    I don’t understand what this article is for?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 23 September 2013 09: 29
      25
      Quote: Pavel
      I don’t understand what this article is for?

      How to what ...? Another exposure of the "bloody regime". AK, this is a complete misunderstanding, not a machine gun. And it was not Kalashnikov who made it, but the Germans, Americans, Martians (underline the necessary). Well, at least Kalashnikov, the role of a loader has now been entrusted ... smile
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 September 2013 07: 44
    +4
    And that muddy the water then ..
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 23 September 2013 07: 45
    +7
    Any weapon is a collective work, BUT ... everything that was proposed in the machine was known before it existed, with one exception ... the mechanism for locking the barrel (if I'm not mistaken), this is all the know-how of the AK-47. mechanics have been known for millennia, the only question is how they are used in combination with each other.
  6. Averias
    Averias 23 September 2013 07: 47
    13
    And why is it written? Check in reality, the above is impossible. Yes, and why? Or what, you need to defame everything and everything? Myth is not a myth, what's the difference. Kalashnikov is an era. A whole generation has grown. Well, let’s beat us up at all, everything that was done in the era of the USSR. There were no epic heroes either, but legends about them were made up. What also needs to be destroyed?
    And at the expense of the machine, sorry author - but at least like that, but this is the most copied machine in the world. Yes, and I did not hear from the military what is described in the article (about breakdowns and moodiness). Kalashnikov is a symbol, this is our story. And do not wipe your feet about it. By the way, the author also did not bother to provide any evidence. Or is the author worried that the machine gun made a lot of people, and only Kalashnikov got laurels? I do not believe in such altruism. And examples, examples here: The same Colt, in fact, he is not the only developer. And the pistol leaves much to be desired (it’s not for nothing that they switched to Beretta), but come on, the pistol of his name.
    I do not quite understand at all why the article?
    1. Kubanets
      Kubanets 23 September 2013 13: 49
      0
      It’s not only libel who checked his AK on his own skin; hence, the opinion of the author of the article was probably only seen in the manual.
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 23 September 2013 07: 52
    17
    As AK-47 has unquestionable quality - unsurpassed reliability. But M.T. Kalashnikov, his son Victor, and four colleagues write about the absence of this - the following montage of 1 and 3 WO 99 / 05467 (A1) sheets.

    With the 1 Myth, the clarity is complete - the authors recognized - AK-47 does not have reliability!


    ВAll the world recognizes that AK is the most reliable machine in the world, even the amers in its television competitions recognized it as the best, but here some yuhplet doubts!
  8. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 23 September 2013 07: 53
    17
    This makes no sense. Is the Kalash unreliable? This is all a myth "??? Tell this to the millions of bastards who are familiar with weapons from the age from which the author has crawled under the table. Well, yes, everything is in the style of time ... What's next on the list of revelations? Ballet or synchronized swimming ?
  9. Belogor
    Belogor 23 September 2013 07: 53
    +5
    An article from 3 sources (foreign publication, MK and some article)
    Well, why should I take this on faith? I do not claim that this is the pinnacle of weaponry, but the popularity in the world of the machine gun of this designer is undeniable.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 September 2013 13: 31
      +1
      It can’t be unreliable, even frankly crap copies are in demand in the Middle East. And the weapons there are no worse than the author. And in the states, a boom in the civilian copy of Kalash:
      ,, Former Tennessee Marine Josh Laura told The Times: “I bought the Saiga because it was made in Russia, right next to my older brothers, AK. Not a single rifle in the world can compare with this in reliability. ”

      Facts are known when the marines, even in battle, used Kalashnikovs instead of their main weapon - the M16. Undoubtedly, preference was given due to the reliability and the caliber of 7,62 mm, which has a slightly higher power compared to NATO's 5,56 mm. "[media = http: //politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2012-09/1346447622_sayga.jpg]
  10. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 23 September 2013 08: 06
    16
    I wonder who the author works for. Because everything he wrote is a lie, at least about the reliability of the Kalash 100% lie.
    Dozens if not hundreds of millions of people used Kalashnikov assault rifles, including many visitors to this site.
    He served a total of 23 calendars in the USSR Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation; he used Kalashas of various modifications, including machine guns, in sweets. The reliability of this weapon is simply phenomenal.

    Sincerely.
  11. ben gun
    ben gun 23 September 2013 08: 07
    +3
    Having visited the Kalashnikov Museum in Izhevsk, I did not find (or did not see) information on the process of creating the AK-47 except for: 1. in 41, he was wounded and was in the hospital.
    2. in the 1948 year, the batch of AK-47 and AKS-47 was sent to military tests.
    1. fero
      fero 23 September 2013 20: 27
      0
      They didn’t see the info hanging (hung) on ​​the stand next to the first machine. On Saturday I’ll stop by and photograph for sure)
  12. alexng
    alexng 23 September 2013 08: 08
    14
    It looks like the author is a "wasteful nevmyrushy" from the near abroad. I wonder how much he was paid for this nonsense, or he probably meant the Romanian Kalash clone. But the article is more like a splash of bile on the basis of Russophobic idiocy. The whole world recognized the Kalash as the most reliable small arms, even amers had to admit this fact. It seems that the Russophobes have already run out of topics and switched to senile delirium. And interestingly, there was no Cyrillic minted there, as on provocative missiles in Syria? Something the trolls crushed completely.
    1. Yura
      Yura 23 September 2013 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: alexneg
      I wonder how much he was paid for this nonsense.

      Or maybe he is a volunteer from small dirty tricks?
  13. Oskar
    Oskar 23 September 2013 08: 22
    +6
    What did the author want? M.T. Kalashnikov kick? He is already a legend, like his brainchild.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 23 September 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Jackalite poor fellow ...
  14. Login_Off
    Login_Off 23 September 2013 08: 29
    +3
    author, smash your head against the wall!
    Do you want the inconsistency in your judgments ::: ..
    1. What fig are you referring to "not experience" of MT? Kalashnikov in his article? Did you know him? And from experience I can say that the same DaVinci made his inventions in his youth, and even such that the old scientists did not understand him. According to your logic, he was a moron? Well, or remember Lomanosov? Google will tell you more examples!
    2. The patent has many names, but it is known that it is one thing to come up with an idea, another thing to translate it into a product, it’s not for nothing that there are Designers, but there are just engineers who draw and can give suggestions, only there can be darkness and some proposals they accept it, while others reject it. Who do you think eliminates / makes decisions ??? Let me tell you - M.T. Kalashnikov, as a designer.
  15. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 23 September 2013 08: 31
    +6
    negative Another pathetic attempt to wishful thinking
  16. olviko
    olviko 23 September 2013 08: 31
    13
    "The disadvantage of this model is low reliability, weapon failure when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of fire, insufficiently high operational characteristics."

    According to available estimates, this type (including licensed and unlicensed copies, as well as third-party developments based on AK) includes up to 1/5 of all small arms firearms available on Earth. [3] Over 60 years, more than 70 million Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications have been produced. They are in service with 50 foreign armies. [4] The main competitor of the Kalashnikov assault rifles - the American automatic M16 rifle - was produced in the amount of approximately 10 million units, and is in service with 27 armies of the world. According to many experts, AK is the standard of reliability and ease of maintenance. There are cases when American soldiers in Vtnam threw their unreliable M-16s and fought from the killed Vietnamese, the AK-47. AK is inferior to the M-16 in terms of accuracy of firing in bursts, but who prevents them from shooting solo. From hitting one bullet 7,62 in the head, the latter scatters like a watermelon - sorry for the details. A trained shooter calmly hits a growth target from a distance of 400m, and large distances, under real conditions, are not common. As a rule, military operations take place on rough or wooded areas, in settlements where visibility is limited. Well, for long ranges there are snipers and SVD. I consider AK an excellent weapon, not for a shooting gallery, but for a real battle, for war.
  17. 128mgb
    128mgb 23 September 2013 08: 36
    14
    An excellent example of anti-Soviet (anti-Russian) propaganda! The article can be used as a teaching aid for teaching different kinds of "right and left-wing defenders."
  18. Bort radist
    Bort radist 23 September 2013 08: 36
    +8
    MiG - in the name the names of two designers, an example of an exception to the rule is usually the name of one person for a brand. Behind the brand, especially for military purposes, dozens of names and discoveries remain hidden. The author has not discovered anything new, the question arises of whose mill pour water? The purpose of this article.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 40
      +2
      Quote: Bort Radist
      MiG - in the name of the names of two designers, an example of an exception to the rule

      probably not such an exception-DShK, GSh, LaGG, and so completely agree with you
  19. Oskar
    Oskar 23 September 2013 08: 38
    +5
    I watched or read (I don’t remember - it was long ago) an interview with an American, a Vietnam war veteran. So he dreamed of having AK in his hands instead of M-ki precisely because of its reliability, but was afraid - they could shoot their own, scorching a characteristic sound.
  20. Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 23 September 2013 08: 48
    14
    The author wishes to wash his mouth with soap and brains with bleach. Thanks to people like him, we already learned that T-34 is junk, fleet of junk, S-300 junk, and in general how we live here miserable and are still trying to fight the Great Dash ... AK is an automaton No. 1 and you can at least for Mr. nothing will change from this. And to lay out this garbage in VO, where half of AK saved his life - is simply ridiculous.
  21. Ustas
    Ustas 23 September 2013 08: 56
    +4
    Author Kacheev V.I.

    Did you want to cut the dough on the basis of the Copyright Act?
    I’ll only tell you this, Mr. Author, that we ourselves consider the Kolashnikov rifle not as a personal invention, but an invention of the entire Soviet people.
    And therefore, one does not have to stick to the glory of one invention by individual individuals.
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 September 2013 09: 00
    +8
    I read somewhere (real story) Amer special forces in jugnly Vietnam on a mission. We ran into a corpse (decomposed already in a swamp slurry ..) Turned over hoping to determine the rank .. under the corpse a Kalash is covered in mud and worms .. One Amer raises it shakes off "Oh Russian machine gun ..) twitches the bolt and pulls the trigger .. there is a line all the specialists fall face down in the swamp out of surprise, thinking that they have been ambushed. These are the things ... And the fact that they are trying to belittle the merits of our gunsmiths is normal .. They just envy! Kalashnikov is a legend and our pride!
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 23 September 2013 13: 13
      +3
      Don't pull the trigger, cock the trigger, pull the trigger, learn the materiel!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 34
        0
        There was even a fantastically absurd word "trigger"
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 24 September 2013 16: 33
      0
      - Was in the video "Weaponology" - Weapons in their language.
  23. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 23 September 2013 09: 04
    12
    If the AK-47 is unreliable, then, in comparison with it, what is the reliability of the M-16? Until now, many Vietnam veterans are convinced that the rifle that failed at the most inopportune moment is to blame for the death of their comrades.

    There was a joke: "The M-16 is a very good rifle. You can use it to kill a Vietcong and remove an AK-47 from him!" In Iraq, the US Marines often preferred the AK over the M-ki.
    Kalash, however, fully corresponded to the concept and requirements for weapons of the time - to give poorly trained soldiers more reliable weapons than the armies of a likely enemy, with an aiming range of 200-400 meters, and high lethal force.
    And the article is a minus.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 23 September 2013 13: 52
      0
      Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan and the PPS took on combat operations respect him for the large ammunition capacity and rate of fire
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2013 10: 34
        0
        How do you personally think it is possible to modernize the PCA? With SCS it seems to work out.
  24. Horst78
    Horst78 23 September 2013 09: 12
    +5
    Given the size of the article, some kind of nonsense turns out. Unrelated information and conclusions. Article -
  25. Tanysh
    Tanysh 23 September 2013 09: 21
    +3
    Judging by the malicious text, the author did not have enough for a bottle. The idea is in the air. Many people process it, but there is a person who collects fragments of a mosaic into a whole picture.
  26. wulf66
    wulf66 23 September 2013 09: 29
    +4
    Another bells and whistle.
  27. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 23 September 2013 09: 33
    23 th
    Remarks of the author (V.I. Kacheev) according to the first comments.
    There are NO new myths besides those listed by me! It was clear to me that the myth of the super reliability of the AK-47 would be persistently reproduced - therefore, it was described at the very beginning. But, dear, strain the gyrus, you do not agree with Kalashnikov, his son Victor and FIVE more colleagues, that YOUR SIGNATURES confirmed in international patent WO 99/05467 (A1) that the AK-47 is unreliable. Indicating the shortcomings of the AK-47, the inventors of this patent said that in the patented AK-74 there are NO listed disadvantages of the AK-47. Is it so hard to understand ?! The myth that US Army soldiers preferred the AK-47 does not match the U.S. Army Command Circular, in which FORBIDDEN: 1. Use deodorants. 2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16. Deodorants were forbidden because smells spread very quickly in the jungle - the Vietnamese learned about the approach of American soldiers by Smell. AK-47 was banned because SOUND fuse release ALSO WERE HEARED FROM EDITION.
    For Leonid SK: a 6,5 mm caliber cartridge was developed by Vladimir Grigoryevich Fedorov - the captain of the Russian Imperial Army - be ashamed, sir of your ignorance !!!
    1. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 23 September 2013 09: 40
      +5
      which by their SIGNATURES have confirmed, in the international patent WO 99/05467 (A1), that the AK-47 is unreliable
      - unreliable in comparison with what, with what weapon?

      I ask the author (I politely omit the double "f" in the middle of the word "author") to name a more reliable machine gun, the AK-47.

      Forward.
    2. 31231
      31231 23 September 2013 10: 52
      +1
      In addition to reversing, it is forbidden to cross everything that is continuous on the road, so what ?!
    3. avt
      avt 23 September 2013 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: V. I. Kacheev
      2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16. Deodorants were forbidden because smells spread very quickly in the jungle - the Vietnamese learned about the approach of American soldiers by ODOR. AK-47 was banned because the SOUND of the removal of the fuse was also heard from a distance.

      Well, finally, a very specific technical justification for the "unreliability" of AK! You can calm down and not rack your brains over it. laughing
    4. olviko
      olviko 23 September 2013 12: 27
      +1
      Dear author! Let's leave the desk compositions for a moment and imagine ourselves in the jungle's place as an American infantryman. What do you prefer: keep the circular, fight with the M-16, which can jam at any moment or save your skin to grab onto Kalash, as the only hope to survive? But really it is a matter of life and death, there is no longer a sound of removal from the fuse.
    5. Djozz
      Djozz 23 September 2013 13: 18
      +3
      Have you ever removed an AK from a fuse? I doubt that you held it in your hands!
    6. picnic
      picnic 23 September 2013 15: 21
      +8
      "that the SOUND of removing the fuse was ALSO HEARED FROM OUT"

      I don’t know how the AK-47 does, but the AK-74 removes the fuse from the fuse in general almost silently.

      How can sound be heard in the jungle from afar, is it a desert or something? This is the jungle. There, day and night, is a continuous cacophony of all kinds of sounds.
  28. Borz
    Borz 23 September 2013 09: 52
    +7
    Disgusting article, disgusting libel. "Kalash" monuments were erected, children were named after him. The question to the author, why?! Is it for outstanding fighting qualities?
  29. Nikvan
    Nikvan 23 September 2013 09: 52
    +4
    It’s a pity, the next dummy that the author wanted to say remained outside the scope of the article, so the next opinion is about nothing
  30. Algor73
    Algor73 23 September 2013 10: 18
    +3
    It’s hard to judge anything if you don’t know the truth.
  31. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 23 September 2013 10: 23
    -5
    for the JO Indian - Your quote: "- unreliable in comparison with what, with what weapon?" If you had to write an application for an invention, then the standard procedure is that the applicant (inventor) chooses the PROTOTYPE, i.e. closest to the claimed device, a technical solution. The claimed device was AK-74. Consequently, the AK-47 UNRELIABLE - compared to the AK-74! Here is a paradox, sir - M.T. Kalashnikov created the AK-47, and then, MORE THAN AFTER 50 YEARS RECOGNIZED - he constructed an unreliable weapon - DOESN'T IT LATE HAS RECOGNIZED THIS ?! But FIVE HIS COLLEAGUE, INCLUDING VICTOR'S SON !!! And now my question for JOE: "Are there any PRINCIPAL differences in the AK-74 design?" If not PRINCIPLE DIFFERENCES IN DESIGNS, and this TRUE, it turns out that criticizing the AK-47, M.T. Kalashnikov simultaneously condemns the AK-74 !!!
    HOW TO UNDERSTAND THIS ?!
    1. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 23 September 2013 11: 18
      +2
      The author, therefore, is more reliable than the AK-47 AK-74, right?
      And if you continue to reason logically, then compared with other models of automatic small arms, the AK-74 is generally the top of reliability, and super reliable, right?

      Consequently, the AK-47 is unreliable - compared to the AK-74!
      - I understand that the claims of the invention require just such a phrase construction.

      Now i I URGE You will recognize that the AK-47 is much more reliable than most samples of automatic small arms of those times, and many samples of the times of today (except for the AK line, since you love accuracy so much).

      I just do not want to search and quote conclusions about the superiority in reliability of AK over other machines, American, European, Israeli and others, and others, and other experts. But in the evening, if you don’t acknowledge that AK compared to so many models of non-AK weapons is more reliable, I’ll do it.
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 23 September 2013 11: 35
      +3
      Sorry for being rude, but you are an ordinary demagogue and plutocrat. Probably from liberal circles? If so then I am not surprised.
      With disrespect.
  32. Victor
    Victor 23 September 2013 10: 23
    +5
    Anger and envy. One word-author is dirty trick.
  33. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 23 September 2013 10: 29
    +4
    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    FORBIDDEN: 1. Use deodorants. 2. Use AK-47 instead of the standard M-16.

    Maybe it was forbidden. But I personally saw on TV news the use of AK amers in modern conflicts (Iraq, Afghanistan), at least as a backup. It was rightly noticed, less than reliable. And then the author of any invention wants to make his thing even better, i.e. more than others find fault. Unless of course he is worried about the job.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 23 September 2013 11: 52
      0
      So there amers and PPSh did not disdain, you can poyuzat photos from there. Fact. wink
  34. Taoist
    Taoist 23 September 2013 10: 33
    +9
    Rare nonsense ... Although in general it is not nonsense. Everything is built according to the laws of the "disclosure" genre. A "certain document" is presented, a "premise" is issued on its basis, and then the reader is smoothly brought to the required conclusion ... The Rezunoids case lives on and wins.
    The fact that this whole construction does not withstand collisions with logic is not taken into account, because units still know how to build connected logical chains longer than from 3x points. negative
  35. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 23 September 2013 10: 37
    +6
    I didn’t understand the meaning of the article. The point was to water the gunsmiths that their brainchild was guamo ... it didn’t work out, people choose AK and don't care what it is 74 or 47, Chinese or Russian, Serbian or Polish. About not reliability, the author is even floods, if the author ran with the ak-74 and he constantly wedged on him during firing, this means that his sergeant did not kick at 5 points when cleaning his weapons, but relying on something described somewhere and the tables, well, softly speaking incorrectly .. I’ll open the secret that Kalash should be cleaned, it’s a fairy tale that you don’t need to clean it;)
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 23 September 2013 11: 47
      +1
      About not reliability, the author even pours

      Apparently he relies on data on weapons of the Bulgarian or Chinese assembly. Even on YouTube there is a video where, at an arms exhibition, the Bulgarian assembly refuses to shoot ... hi
  36. Earnest
    Earnest 23 September 2013 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And that muddy the water then ..

    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    Jackalite poor fellow ...

    I really want "unparalleled bullets of the brilliant gunsmith V. Kacheev" sell in volumes of AK them. Kalashnikov, yes, the author?))
  37. Parabelum
    Parabelum 23 September 2013 10: 40
    +9
    The author, I have one more idea. In fact, the aircraft YAK, TU, SU, IL, etc., were not made by Yakovlev, Tupolev, Sukhoi, Ilyushin. The team made them! Well this is a template break! Immediately write down the article "Impostors in Aviation" or "Petty Thieves of Big Ideas".
    The author you opened my eyes, go for it ... may everyone be rewarded according to his deeds, as they say.
    1. DuraLexSedLex.
      DuraLexSedLex. 23 September 2013 10: 43
      +1
      Plus TO YOU!
  38. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 23 September 2013 10: 40
    +2
    Quote: leon-iv
    Another thing, accuracy is lame.

    Learn to shoot and use normal ammo.

    you say correctly, you need to learn how to shoot, I hadn’t fired with Kalash for 7 years before this shooting
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxDkHhF8PU
  39. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 September 2013 10: 42
    +6
    "There is no freely available, and most likely not at all, the USSR author's certificate." Translated into human - I did not see means not at all. I don’t believe it means the others have invented everything. Immediately you can see the author thoroughly studied the issue and now boldly and reasonably tears the covers.
    I can tell you the next topic Korolev - FAU-2, I think the result will be just as amazing.
  40. Earnest
    Earnest 23 September 2013 10: 48
    +8
    Quote: VI Kacheev
    SOUND OF DISCHARGE FROM ALSO WERE HEARED FROM

    The beginning of my service was marked by three foreman lessons: 1) to hem a collar; 2) open canned food with a bayonet-knife in one circular motion; 3)slightly bend the fuse AK-74 in secret and watch. This is not Kacheev’s bullet, but the science of survival laughing
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 24 September 2013 16: 39
      0
      - Craftsmen "wound up" the lever with a thin line ...
  41. washi
    washi 23 September 2013 10: 55
    +2
    The main Whose idea?
    The Tu-2 aircraft helped Korolev to calculate. But they named after the person who submitted the idea and put it together. Although the ideological support of SERGEANT Kalashnikov was definitely and it was he who was moved into heroes. Although the TKB-408 was no worse than the AK-47.
  42. stroporez
    stroporez 23 September 2013 10: 56
    +1
    smacks of delirium ..... and nodding to the fact that "sergeant", "officer" - at all, in my opinion, is not correct. In 1695, the "secret ship" was "presented" to Tsar Peter by a serf ... ..... probably ran into the same "dunduk", that's why it didn't "stick" ..........
  43. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 September 2013 10: 59
    +5
    After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of "studies" have appeared that call into question our entire past. Their main motto is all myths! and off and on: Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov were not, and there were almost no partisans in the rear, etc. So we got to Kalashnikov. Spit on the worldwide recognition of the machine. I will say simply: the dog barks, the caravan goes.
  44. Transbaikal
    Transbaikal 23 September 2013 11: 03
    +5
    In the year 85, when crossing a mountain river (it rained for a week) in the Karmadon Gorge, the cadet missed an AK-74 assault rifle (did not take the weapon behind his back). After three days of searching (with attempts to block the river with a dam, etc.), the assault rifle was found approximately in kilometer downstream. When they got it, it was white, as after "sandblasting", the receiver cover was not there, the receiver itself and the trigger are packed tightly with sand, the barrel is decently bent. After cleaning the submachine gun, the professors of the OP department conducted an experiment: they attached the store, reloaded, tied the AK to the BMP barrel, to the trigger a rope (you never know what ?!) The whole store flew out of the barrel without any problems !!! author, you're wrong !!!
  45. avt
    avt 23 September 2013 11: 09
    +4
    "Let's live together!" ----- The author calls us. But now he’s lying. What actually comes out of what was said earlier ----------- ,, There is a patent WO 99/05467 as evidence, that the weapon under the AK-74 brand was created by a team in which MT Kalashnikov is one of the co-authors. But, if the other co-authors do not object to their obscurity, as well as to the fact that the "face of the company" is MT Kalashnikov, then why should we show teeth to each other incorrectly - when debunking Myths ?! " Even judging by this quote, it also recruits supporters. Well, the maximum I agree to, and even then probably only for now, so this is ----------- ,, In my opinion, on the basis of the above, it is correct to call this brand of weapon like this: "AK-47 assault rifle named M.T. Kalashnikov "! For dissenting readers, indicate the inconsistency in my conclusion. "Well, thank you" at least not named after Schmeiser. Or is this the next stage in the "struggle for historical justice"?
  46. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 23 September 2013 11: 12
    -9
    For Earnest - your quote: "I really want to" unparalleled bullets of the brilliant gunsmith V. Kacheev "to sell in the volume of the Kalashnikov AK, right, the author?))"
    I won’t say anything about volumes, but to implement IN METAL inventions: bullet according to patent 2484416RU, unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve according to patent 2486438RU - CERTAINLY SAME !!! Agree that we are talking about the differences between the AK-47 and the StG-43, but the cartridge is also from Germany. A bullet in a cartridge in 1881 was proposed by Krupp - http://www.ada.ru/guns/ballistic/bc/index.htm
    And now, after more than 130 years, the Russian inventor bypassed Krupp - it is recognized by patent experts. Of course i I WISH give the Russian soldier a new small weapon that is being developed UNDER THE CARTRIDGE - axiom. Yes, and I proposed a cartridge! And what's so strange about this A WISH any inventor. Russian patent experts admit that my bullet BETTER bullets of Olin Corporation (USA), which also recognized this, ASKING FOR DRAWING OF MY BULLET AS A GIFT !!! But, unfortunately, it is recognized abroad, and in Russia it is NOT SO - if you are interested, then follow the link: http://vpk.name/news/2013-04-16 My inventions and my authorship are DOCUMENTED - see who wants to . But there is no copyright certificate on the AK-47 - although the museum has other AS M.T. Kalashnikov. If there was an A.S. USSR on AK-47, then in a museum it would be MANDATORY EXHIBITED !!! But there is no such among others - that’s the debate on this topic.
    1. military
      military 23 September 2013 12: 40
      +4
      It seems that the author’s motivation for writing this article is based on the ambitions of an unrecognized gunsmith genius ... I would be glad to be mistaken, but ... request
  47. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 23 September 2013 11: 31
    -2
    For AVT - Your quote: "For dissenting readers - indicate the inconsistency in my conclusion." Well, thank you "at least not the name of Schmeiser. Or is this the next stage in the" struggle for historical justice "?"
    The meaning of my question is simple - THE LOGIC OF CONCLUSION IS BROKEN OR NOT? And you tell me about Hugo Schmeiser ?!
    For Earnest - and at the factory (MT Kalashnikov) it was not necessary IMPROVE safety lock - that the foreman did not teach you this? THIS IS ALREADY A SIGN OF LIABILITY AS A MANUFACTURING PLANT, SO AND M.T. Kalashnikov - foreman knows how to reduce the sound, and the plant and M.T. Kalapshnikov HOW AND DON'T SUSPECT ABOUT THIS !!!
    1. viktorR
      viktorR 23 September 2013 12: 25
      +4
      Kacheev cease. You look like an algae envious. Maybe your bullet will survive something, but as practice will always show. And do not kick that they say you did not recognize the nugget, etc.
      And with regard to the patent, it states that the forty-seventh in comparison with the seventy-fourth is not reliable, and you perfectly understand this, you just distort it. In general, all your statements, including comments, do not add credibility to you, but rather the opposite. I advise you to think all the same for what reasons. Everyone around believes that you are wrong.

      PS and please less demagoguery.
      1. aleks77
        aleks77 23 September 2013 13: 31
        +2
        Reptiles didn’t recognize me as the most worthy; now, at least I spit on the portrait, let everyone know.
    2. avt
      avt 23 September 2013 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: V. I. Kacheev
      The meaning of my question is simple - THE LOGIC OF CONCLUSION IS BROKEN OR NO?

      Uh no! The logic of your inference is quite to myself in your quotes, I have indicated. And the conclusion "here is quite one and specific - Kalashnikov himself did not really do anything and the general is fake, well, out of the kindness of his soul," we agree to a wedding. " to give out his quite concrete human envy for a logical conclusion, and even under the guise of a struggle for the restoration of "historical justice" in relation to the members of the design team. Moreover, add "sugar syrup" to the article about the fact that - "let's live together" Well, I don’t believe that I haven’t found the Author's Certificate, because I know this system from the inside - I had a chance to work at VNIIPGE That on Berezhkovskaya embankment. And also - in the USSR they always did copyright first, they immediately paid for them at once, and there is nothing unusual in the fact that a large number of authors indicated. But the patent, for which the state paid and took away the rights, the authors could no longer make up, quite some lawyer based on the copyright was. And weakly challenge the name of the 1912 Colt and demand from the Americans to call him Browning 1912 Colt name?
  48. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 23 September 2013 11: 42
    +1
    Another vcep.
  49. Support
    Support 23 September 2013 11: 46
    +3
    Most likely banal envy. They recognized me abroad, but not at home. Then you need to break through your invention, prove its necessity, look for someone who will help in this matter, and not splash ....... onto pages and set even more people against yourself.
  50. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 September 2013 11: 48
    +1
    Kalash does not need advertising! We in Russia do not like to publicize their achievements (and they don’t really know how to compare them with the West). The weapons produced in Russia in the world have proven to be the most reliable simple and effective .. (Kalashas are even on the arms of some countries ..)