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Ukrainian inhabitants began to frighten the Black Sea Fleet

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His presence on the territory of Ukraine allegedly could draw her into the conflict around Syria


KChF of Russia in Sevastopol - like a bad tooth in the mouth of Ukraine. But he begins to whine only when friction appears in relations between the two countries. Then the Ukrainian politicians are seized with the desire to urgently go to the "dentist" and remove the "tooth" (I mean the fleet). Or at least talk about it a little louder, scaring your man in the street with the mythical danger that Russian warships supposedly represent for him in the far southern outskirts.

Their movements are forced to recall the already forgotten parody of the poems of the classic of Ukrainian Soviet literature Pavel Tychyna: “There is a woman in the garden, and a fleet in the air! Let the Soviet government live. Here! ”Now, a woman from the garden, peacefully harvesting potatoes, is trying to convince through the TV that a big trouble can come to her from the KCF. Let her shake, nothing to sleep.

About "flotophobia" was discussed in the Sunday story of the channel "TSN" (belongs to the entrepreneur Kolomoisky) "Ukrainian-Syrian war." The transfer was devoted to the scandal around some supplies weapons to Syria, reports "New Region".

“More questions about deliveries of weapons to the Syrians arise to the Black Sea Fleet, because its territories are closed to us. What is being taken from there - one can only guess. This fleet is alien to us - a gigantic military base, whose ships can carry nuclear weapons on board; marine aviationcapable of destroying at sea and on land; tens of thousands of military personnel trained to sink a ship and capture coastal bridgeheads. And all this - on 18 hectares of land, where Ukrainians are forbidden to step. Like a stranger fleet you can find yourself in a foreign war - we felt again, now in Syria. And although the Black Sea Fleet base remains a scandalous tourist attraction for us, it remains to pray that there will not be a blow to the Syrian conflict, ”said Kiev television.

Um, and when it was possible for strangers to walk around a foreign military base? Loaned - maintain the terms of the contract. TV men, of course, will not be allowed there. But the official authorities, I suppose, still have access - within certain limits. “Who needs it, he knows,” as President Putin once remarked (on a different, true, occasion).

But this moment is being blown up in the program, from which it is concluded that Ukraine, unwittingly, can be named as a third party in the Syrian war: “The situation was similar in 2008, when the Russians actually fired at Georgia and sank its ships. .. Then we were saved by the warm relations of Tbilisi and Kiev. Now from Sevastopol to the zone of the Syrian conflict, ships of the Black Sea Fleet run smoothly, coming from our territory ... "

So Ukraine was afraid of Georgia in 2008 year? Now who? Retribution Syrian rebels? If so, then it opens up a new facet of international relations, prompting all countries on whose territory American military bases are located to fear a retaliatory strike from the regimes that Unkle Sam shamelessly bombs, “setting the right path”. True, this did not happen until recently, but fear has large eyes.

And then it came to sore. Russians pay "a symbolic amount of 97 million dollars", delivering a "discount" for this on the most expensive gas in Europe.

Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis in Russia, added fuel to the fire. “In the current geopolitical conditions of the Russian Federation, the base in Sevastopol is absolutely not needed. She is completely satisfied with Novorossiysk, ”he commented on the situation. “Against this background, two new scandals, initiated by the Kremlin, look very significant: they believe that we have unreasonably taken a tax on fuel for the fleet since 1994, and should return it. And abandoned the "thread" - remind the authors of the report. "Thread" is such a training complex in the Crimea, imitating the deck of an aircraft carrier. It was used for training sea pilots, and Ukraine, by its mood, let the Russian military on it, or not, as Krymskaya Pravda wrote.

Khramchikhin clarified the situation with the simulator: “Russia is tired of paying money to Ukraine, which is constantly trying to manipulate it. Russia has built a similar complex at home, and the question is closed on this. ”

In fact, judging by the photographs, the costs to create a new one are not such there, and dancing all the time on one leg in front of the southern neighbor to put it on "The Thread" is not a great pleasure. Let now there Ukrainian pilots are trained when they have aircraft carriers.

The Russians continue to create lawlessness in Sevastopol, Ukrainian TV reporters throw their hands: “Especially the cruisers Moscow and Saratov, based in Sevastopol, regularly cruise with weapons to Syria, and often disappear from GPS satellites along the way.”

“And why are they on the GPS?” - I just want to ask.

“Tension is clearly growing, especially after the statement by the advisor to Mr. Putin Glazyev that after signing the Association Agreement with the EU, Ukraine may lose its status of a strategic partner. Alien fleet in our waters after these words looks very different. Ukraine is faced with the question: is it not worth revising the agreement with our strategic partner so far? The distant Syrian war showed that the Black Sea Fleet is a benefit to the Kremlin and problems to Kiev, ”TV journalists emphasize.

Probably, Ukraine would be satisfied with a military base, which gave an obligation not to intervene in any military conflicts and never shoot anyone. And that while paying well. Peace, in general, military base. But why is this needed? And there are no analogues in the world. Weapons in order and placed in distant territories, to rely on him in politics.

The matter has not yet reached the revision of the contract and is unlikely to come, but the Ukrainian authorities have other opportunities to make the sailors more difficult. For example, border guards may delay the ship’s entry into the sea, which happened at the end of last week with the sweeping guard, heading for the Mediterranean, RIA reported News with reference to the source in the division of the surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet. “They (the customs officers) began to re-form the lists of the entire crew, looked through all the documents, asked questions. It seems as if the process was artificially delayed, ”the source said, quoted by the REX news agency.

According to him, “Sharp-witted” was supposed to leave Sevastopol at 9 in the morning local time (around 10: 00 Moscow time), but at noon (13: 00 Moscow time) the ship “had not even started the main engine and had not started preparations for the exit in the sea". The source stressed that "such inhibitions" in his practice has not yet been.

Later in Mindokhodov Ukraine explained why the incident occurred. A large anti-submarine ship of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, “Sharp”, was detained by border guards due to errors in the documents that were made by the Russian side responsible for the paperwork regarding crew members, the Information and Communication Department of the Main Department of the Ministry of Revenue and Tourism in the city of Sevastopol reported.

The frontier guards discovered a significant number of mistakes in the crew’s list - incorrect spelling of the surnames, names and patronymic of crew members, series and numbers of passports and officers' identity cards. Until the elimination of errors, the ship continued to remain in the Sevastopol Bay. There were no claims to the design of other documents from representatives of the Ukrainian outfit, reports Forum.ua with reference to "UNIAN".

An interesting situation. So it is in the case of hostilities, when it will be necessary to urgently leave the base, can the Ukrainian border guards start such checks of the KCF ships and detain them?
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  1. experienced
    experienced 23 September 2013 15: 41
    +8
    Not a day without articles about Ukraine on the site !!! laughing
    To be the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol! THREAD has its own! Heroam fat !!! wassat
    Bugaga, just now drew attention to the author lol
    “A similar situation was in 2008, when the Russians actually shot at Georgia and drowned its ships ... Then we were saved by the warm relations of Tbilisi and Kiev."

    And then the Georgians would occupy Kiev ... laughing
    Freshman:
    In the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine there was a depressurization of the Druzhba oil trunk pipeline, the regional department of the state emergency service reported.
    25 people and three pieces of equipment were involved in the liquidation of the accident; the cause of the depressurization has not yet been established.
    The Ukrainian section of the oil pipeline is operated by Ukrtransnafta.
    1. Civil
      Civil 23 September 2013 16: 33
      +12
      And with Sevastopol in the light of the latest decisions of Ukraine, she will have to leave, if not all of Crimea ...
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 September 2013 16: 55
        +1
        Border guards found a significant number of errors in the crew list - incorrect spelling of the names, patronymics of the crew members, series and numbers of passports and identity cards of officers.


        The next time we start taking tests from crews arriving from Syria, look for chemical weapons. Or do you think only you (the Russian Federation) can pickle trucks with socks on the border for a week, taking radioactivity tests, recount, etc.))))
        1. astra
          astra 23 September 2013 19: 42
          +25
          Quote: Kars
          The next time we start taking tests from crews arriving from Syria, look for chemical weapons. Or do you think only you (the Russian Federation) can pickle trucks with socks on the border for a week, taking radioactivity tests, recount, etc.))))

          Join the EU, we’ll close our borders altogether, because you need to protect your market. And if you try to join NATO, the eastern part of Ukraine, the pro-Russian regions will separate from the western part of Ukraine and join Russia and the people will heal better and the Black Sea Fleet sailors will not have to feel Crimea as a guest. Ukraine in NATO will never be.
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 September 2013 19: 46
            +1
            Quote: astra
            Join the EU, generally close the borders, as your market needs to be protected

            And why haven’t you closed the border with the EU at all now and are not protecting your market?
            Quote: astra
            .And if you try to join NATO

            We want to enter, we want not to enter.
            Quote: astra
            regions will separate

            And why didn’t they separate and join last year? What are you waiting for?
            Quote: astra
            H.Ukraine in NATO will never be.

            Who said and why?
            1. astra
              astra 23 September 2013 19: 57
              +11
              Quote: Kars
              And why haven’t you closed the border with the EU at all now and are not protecting your market?

              We protect and relations will be just like with the EU
              Quote: Kars
              . We want to enter, we want not to enter.

              I think differently, according to the rules, those countries that do not have disputes over territories can join the NATO, but we can challenge the return of the Khrushchev Crimea. Yes, and most people will be against joining the NATO.
              Quote: Kars
              And why didn’t they separate and join last year? What are you waiting for?

              We will not do anything, when you enter into an association with the EU and as a result, the standard of living will fall even more, then the number of supporters of joining Russia will increase, we will be asked to gladly accept.

              Quote: Kars
              Who said and why?

              The people say. But what are the moods of the people in Crimea when NATO ships enter Crimea
              1. Kars
                Kars 23 September 2013 20: 22
                +1
                Quote: astra
                We protect and relations will be just like with the EU

                It’s strange that I don’t know that the border with the EU is closed by Russia? Are you sure about this? As for relations, we don’t need more than the EU.
                Quote: astra
                I think differently, according to the rules, those countries that have no disputes over territories can enter NATO, we can challenge the return of the Khrushchev Crimea
                I think, and we can - So what prevents it from doing it yesterday? And can you start by challenging at least Alaska? And the rules - if they need to be changed. Turkey and Greece have territorial disputes, and even among themselves-- and both are members of NATO.

                Quote: astra
                And the majority of people will be against joining NATO.

                Who said that? Can the people be mostly on the side? And most common people will not distinguish the OSCE from NATO?
                Quote: astra
                We won’t do anything
                And why? What prevents it?

                Quote: astra
                from when you enter into an association with the EU and as a result, the standard of living will fall even more,
                And what if it doesn’t fall?

                Quote: astra
                The people say.

                I personally told you so?
                Quote: astra
                Do you know the mood of the people in Crimea when NATO ships enter Crimea

                Crimea is not the whole of Ukraine, and the mood there is nothing special. What was there when you visited last week? (Well, in September)
                1. astra
                  astra 23 September 2013 20: 47
                  +11
                  I see you offended by something. The impression is created on your comments that you want in the EU and NATO or not?
                  Quote: Kars
                  It’s strange that I don’t know that the border with the EU is closed by Russia? Are you sure about this? As for relations, we don’t need more than the EU.

                  As for border closure, if Ukraine joins the EU, I will exaggerate it, there will be the same relations as with the EU, there will be a visa regime.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Who said that? Can the people be mostly on the side? And most common people will not distinguish the OSCE from NATO?

                  You see, you can also say MAY, as I say, I don’t speak for all the people, but I express my point of view just like you. I judge by the news and means of the mass media as well as friends from Ukraine.
                  Quote: Kars
                  And why? What prevents it?

                  We are not England and America to solve our problems with the help of force. Join the EU, it will become bad, ask yourself back. What do you think that all EU countries live so well? and waiting for you with open arms? and solve your problems? I think you yourself know that this is not so.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I personally told you so?

                  I see protests in Ukraine, do not watch TV? Do not read newspapers?
                  Quote: Kars
                  Crimea is not the whole of Ukraine, and the mood there is nothing special. What was there when you visited last week? (Well, in September)

                  There was no unrest in other regions since the entry of NATO ships is not a big problem, but if your government decides to join NATO, I am sure not only Crimea but also most of Ukraine will take to the streets.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 23 September 2013 21: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: astra
                    What do you want in the EU and NATO or not?

                    I personally do not want in the CU and NATO. And the EU is a long prospect.
                    Quote: astra
                    We’ll exaggerate in association with the EU

                    but you don’t exaggerate. otherwise it seems very likely that you are exaggerating your abilities.
                    Quote: astra
                    The same relations as with the EU, the visa regime will be.

                    I am for it.
                    Quote: astra
                    You see, you also say MAY, as I say, I don’t speak for all the people, but I express my point of view just like you

                    No, here you are just trying to appropriate the voice of the people by making APPROVALS, in contrast to my ASSUMPTIONS.
                    Quote: astra
                    The people say. But to

                    I don’t see any doubts or question marks here, so you exaggerate again.
                    Quote: astra
                    We are not England and America to solve our problems by force
                    Well, yes, all veterans of the local conflicts of the USSR, Chechen and Georgian companies will confirm this.

                    Quote: astra
                    Join the EU, it will become bad, ask yourself back

                    You see, again, a statement with a claim to prophecies. Wang wasn’t in the family by chance?
                    Quote: astra
                    What do you think that all EU countries live so well?
                    Why think so? On TV, they cover the EU’s problems, unemployment in Spain, France’s problems, etc.

                    Quote: astra
                    and waiting for you with open arms?

                    why wait for us? Or are you hinting that you are waiting for us?)))
                    Quote: astra
                    I think you yourself know that this is not so.

                    Well, at least they do not create additional problems like some.
                    Quote: astra
                    I see protests in Ukraine, do not watch TV? Do not read newspapers?
                    right? direct such tests)) are you probably watching ORT?

                    Quote: astra
                    There was no unrest in other regions since the entry of NATO ships is not a big problem, but if your government decides to join NATO, I am sure not only Crimea but also most of Ukraine will take to the streets.

                    Are you sure again? Even in the Crimea, there was no particular unrest for a long time. And you are all over the country.
                    1. astra
                      astra 23 September 2013 22: 24
                      +9
                      Quote: Kars
                      I personally do not want in the CU and NATO. And the EU is a long prospect.

                      And I personally want to see Ukraine, Belarus and other countries of the former USSR in a single state.
                      Quote: Kars
                      but you don’t exaggerate. otherwise it seems very likely that you are exaggerating your abilities.

                      But did you think of teaching me ?, here, teach your loved ones and give advice.
                      Quote: Kars
                      I am for it.

                      We will see.
                      Quote: Kars
                      No, here you are just trying to appropriate the voice of the people by making APPROVALS, in contrast to my ASSUMPTIONS.

                      I can just as easily carry your words to me to you, mirror.
                      Quote: Kars
                      I don’t see any doubts or question marks here, so you exaggerate again.
                      There is a period there, which means I speak in the affirmative on my own behalf. So you again misunderstand me.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, yes, all veterans of the local conflicts of the USSR, Chechen and Georgian companies will confirm this.
                      And what do you say from veterans of Soviet conflicts and other conflicts, are you a war veteran? if you speak so affirmatively for them. I can say it off because I myself participated in Chechen 1 and we fought for a just cause - let the slack and Chechnya be a different state, you would not let the Crimean Tatars separate from Ukraine, so we did not allow separation.
                      Quote: Kars
                      You see, again, a statement with a claim to prophecies. Wang wasn’t in the family by chance?

                      You yourself attribute the claims to the prophecies, but I affirm because I don’t see it that way. We will see how good it is to live or feel bad.
                      Quote: Kars
                      why wait for us? Or are you hinting that you are waiting for us?)))

                      I repeat - I would like a country similar to the USSR-2 with all the former USSR countries. Do you really not understand that we are separately weak, but together we are strong.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, at least they do not create additional problems like some.

                      Yeah, I see how well Greece is living in the EU as they have no problems from the EU.
                      Quote: Kars
                      right? direct such tests)) are you
                      probably watch ORT?

                      Yes, because your channels cover the protests in a different way, and then everything is visible on the Internet.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Are you sure again? Even in the Crimea, there was no particular unrest for a long time. And you are all over the country.

                      The unrest was at the calls of NATO ships in the Crimea, but for sure there is simply not everything in the country that is always covered.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 23 September 2013 22: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: astra
                        And I personally want to see Ukraine, Belarus and other countries of the former USSR in a single state.

                        And of course, the main Moscow, and the Russian elder brother))
                        Quote: astra
                        I can just as easily carry your words to me to you, mirror.

                        no you can’t.
                        Quote: astra
                        But did you think of teaching me ?, here, teach your loved ones and give advice.
                        Well, you don’t want to take into account your personal problems.


                        Quote: astra
                        There is a point, which means I speak in the affirmative of myself

                        I have never seen such an interpretation of the mark of pinning point ..)) what else do you think up?
                        Quote: astra
                        And what do you say from veterans of Soviet conflicts and other conflicts, are you a war veteran?

                        You deny the presence of veterans of local conflicts and that they will claim in your opinion that they did not perform a power function))))
                        Quote: astra
                        I can talk about myself because I myself participated in the 1 Chechen and we fought for a just cause

                        Right, left - this is from which side to look, but just do not need to build pacifists from the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: astra
                        Claims on the prophecies you yourself attribute

                        and what else can be said about such your sayings?
                        Quote: astra
                        Join the EU, it will become bad, ask yourself back.

                        Quote: astra
                        Yeah, I see how well Greece is living in the EU as they have no problems from the EU.

                        Is it straight all the problems from the EU? Or maybe the Greeks do not want to work? Or is it the EU they forced loans to them forcibly? That's who and the Greeks themselves are to blame for their problems.
                        Quote: astra
                        Yes, because your channels cover the protests in a different way, and then everything is visible on the Internet.

                        And where did you get the idea that it’s not your channels that cover in a different way? What is visible on the Internet?
                        Quote: astra
                        The unrest was at the calls of NATO ships in the Crimea, but for sure there is simply not everything in the country that is always covered.
                        Well, what kind of excitement was there during the last calls of the NATO ships? During the latest Sea Breeze exercises? Enlighten? Yes, and before pickets with a couple - another dozens of pensioners - well, very terrible unrest.
                      2. astra
                        astra 23 September 2013 23: 50
                        +11
                        [quote = Kars] And of course Moscow is the main one, and the Russian elder brother)) [/ quote]
                        Imagine that Ukraine is fragmented into states and then decided to reunite and the Crimean Tatars say: And of course, the main Kiev, and the Ukrainian elder brother))
                        This is an analogy of your words.
                        [quote = Kars] no you can’t. [/ quote]
                        You are mistaken. Smog.
                        [quote = Kars] Well, you don’t want to take into account your personal problems. [/ quote]
                        Are you a teacher to teach me? My problems do not concern you exactly like yours do me.
                        [quote = Kars] I have never seen such an interpretation of the mark of pinning point ..)) what else do you think up?
                        And what are you not showing the signs? let me remind you of my quote and there is a dot at the end: [quote = astra]The people say.[/ Quote]
                        [quote = Kars] You deny the presence of veterans of local conflicts and that they will claim in your opinion that they did not perform a power function)))) [/ quote]
                        We don’t understand each other: how can I deny the presence of local conflict veterans if I myself am a participant in hostilities, if I don’t believe, I can prove that the power function was successfully performed both on a smaller scale and on a larger scale. Have you served in the army yourself?
                        [quote = Kars] Right, left - this is from which side to look, but you don’t need to build pacifists from Russia. [/ quote] Right, left can also be attributed to you: Ukrainians were on the side of the Georgians in the conflict in South Ossetia and Abkhazia and fought against the Russian troops, pacifists have to do with it?
                        [quote = Kars] and what else can be said about such your sayings? [/ quote] And what are you constantly asking questions? look at your post above almost everywhere you ask questions.
                        [quote = Kars] is it straightforward that all the problems are from the EU? Or maybe the Greeks don’t want to work? Or is it the EU who forcibly credited them with loans? That's who the Greeks themselves are to blame for their problems. [/ Quote]
                        3 questions !!! are tired, I can also ask questions instead of answers. As if the Ukrainians then after entering the EU did not repeat the fate of Greece, they apotted that they themselves were to blame.
                        [quote = Kars] And why did you get the idea that it’s not your channels that cover in another way? What is visible on the Internet? [/ quote]
                        I answer yours: And why did you get that your channels are illuminated in the right way? What do you need to show on the Internet then?
                        [quote = Kars] Well, what kind of unrest were during the last calls of NATO ships? [/ quote]
                        Google, Yandex to help you. I will help:
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 24 September 2013 00: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: astra
                        Imagine that Ukraine is fragmented into states and then decided to reunite and the Crimean Tatars say: And of course, the main Kiev, and the Ukrainian elder brother))

                        Why should I imagine this? Ukraine is a unitary state. And not an empire that has collapsed.
                        Quote: astra
                        You are mistaken. Smog.

                        prove it
                        Quote: astra
                        Are you a teacher to teach me? My problems do not concern you exactly like yours do me.
                        Do you learn from the principle only from teachers? Well, they suckle, and do not touch, but I am pleased to point out them to you.

                        Quote: astra
                        how can I deny the presence of veterans of local conflicts if I myself am a participant in the hostilities
                        So the USSR and the Russian Federation used force to solve their problems?

                        Quote: astra
                        ] Right, left can also be attributed to you: in the conflict in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Ukrainians were on the side of the Georgians and fought against the Russian troops
                        so what? firstly, secondly - is it proven? thirdly - sue and demand extradition - what's stopping you?


                        Quote: astra
                        b. As if the Ukrainians then, after joining the EU, did not repeat the fate of Greece, they poked apot that they were to blame.
                        Like, before joining the EU, everything is cool and there are no problems. And if we are naturally to blame for ourselves. And the Russian Federation will also be guilty - which will try hard to make Ukraine endure this test as hard as possible. Yes, this is even before the association in the EU is happening.


                        Quote: astra
                        Google, Yandex to help you. I will help:

                        video clip perfectly confirmed my words))) three cripples))

                        Published by 29.08.2013
                        A protest picket was held today at Grafskaya Wharf in Sevastopol, in which several dozen people participated, representing the Communist Party of Ukraine, the Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Union of Workers


                        By the way, Putin does not build socialism)))) so these people are not talking about him.
                      4. astra
                        astra 24 September 2013 00: 43
                        +8
                        Quote: Kars
                        Why should I imagine this? Ukraine is a unitary state. And not an empire that has collapsed.

                        I am trying to show you by examples your words that in case of unification the Russians will be the main ones and the capital in Moscow, you would not have tolerated the capital in Sevastopol and equality with the Crimean Tatars, they could also say with your words that you are "pulling the blanket over yourself."
                        Quote: Kars
                        prove it

                        Kindergarten)))
                        Quote: Kars
                        but I am pleased to point you to them.

                        No, it’s not pleasant for you, otherwise you wouldn’t have been discussing for so long. (I will write a little later in PM)
                        Quote: Kars
                        So the USSR and the Russian Federation used force to solve their problems?

                        But what's wrong with each country reflecting its interests. You also use force to pacify the Crimean Tatars and would fight with them if they really would want to secede.
                        Quote: Kars
                        secondly - is it proven?

                        There are videos on the internet proving the participation of Ukrainians on the side of the Georgians, at least anti-aircraft gunners shot down our planes. Slavs of the Slavs (((
                        Quote: Kars
                        Like, before joining the EU, everything is cool and there are no problems. And if we are naturally to blame for ourselves. And the Russian Federation will also be guilty - which will try hard to make Ukraine endure this test as hard as possible. Yes, this is even before the association in the EU is happening.

                        You are thinking interestingly, that means if Russia does not interfere with joining the association, then into the EU, and perhaps the consequences of joining will be disastrous, then Moscow is to blame again? or will you think that we will gloat? I hope that you will not think so, since the collapse of Ukraine is not profitable for us, even if in the EU the sexes of Russia and Ukraine are tied together by blood ties and many ties.
                        Quote: Kars
                        video clip perfectly confirmed my words))) three cripples))

                        Do you think people look like cripples? think badly about your countrymen.
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 24 September 2013 12: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: astra
                        in Moscow, you would not tolerate the capital in Sevastopol

                        while I’m still not happy with the restoration of the Republic of Ingushetia, there can be no question of the restoration of the USSR until PU becomes a communist and starts building socialism,
                        Quote: astra
                        Kindergarten)))

                        Of course it’s easy to say - smog.

                        Quote: astra
                        No, it’s not pleasant for you, otherwise you wouldn’t have been discussing for so long. (I will write a little later in PM)
                        nice, nice - you can open my profile and read the third paragraph.

                        Quote: astra
                        And what is wrong, each country reflects its interests.

                        Nothing particularly bad, but in the light of your statements
                        Quote: astra
                        We are not England and America to solve our problems by force.


                        Quote: astra
                        There are videos on the internet proving the participation of Ukrainians on the side of the Georgians, at least anti-aircraft gunners shot down our planes. Slavs of the Slavs (((

                        There is nothing there. And this is simple evidence of the absence of official notes from Russian foreign mines.
                        Quote: astra

                        You think interestingly, that means if Russia does not interfere with joining the association, then into the EU, and perhaps the consequences of joining will be disastrous, then Moscow is to blame again?

                        No, of course. Because Russia hinders these processes, instead of civilized cooperation.
                        Quote: astra
                        to think because the collapse of Ukraine is not profitable for us

                        Just the collapse, or deterioration of the economic indicators of Ukraine, is beneficial only to you - otherwise there will be no chance of laurels ... of the collector of Russian / Soviet lands ...
                        Quote: astra
                        about your people like cripples? think badly about your countrymen.

                        The people? Participating in the rally .. three cripples .. and this is a fact - and this is in the .. pro-Russian .. Sevostopol.
                      6. astra
                        astra 24 September 2013 12: 45
                        +5
                        Quote: Kars
                        , and there’s no question of the restoration of the USSR until PU becomes a communist and starts building socialism,

                        Let's continue.
                        And what is your Yanukovych communist? I don’t even refer Zyuganov to real communists, Primakov is an excellent candidate, but unfortunately he is old.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Of course it’s easy to say - smog.

                        Ok, let's go back
                        Quote: astra
                        Quote: KarsNo, here you are just trying to appropriate the voice of the people by making APPROVALS, unlike my ASSUMPTIONS. I can just as easily convey your words to me to you, in a mirror.

                        You, too, are trying to appropriate the voice of the people by making APPROVALS, and from myself I express my opinion. You see, I could)))
                        Quote: Kars
                        nice, nice - you can open my profile and read the third paragraph.

                        Well rejoice, only your teachings and efforts to me are useless, you will not convince me, so continue to rejoice)))
                        Quote: Kars
                        There is nothing there. And this is simple evidence of the absence of official notes from Russian foreign mines.

                        How do you know? Do you know everything presented from Min. Russian foreign notes of protest and statements?
                        Quote: Kars
                        No, of course. Because Russia hinders these processes, instead of civilized cooperation.

                        Russia has not yet taken all measures. There is a topic in the next branch.
                        You see, you constantly see the "malicious intent of Russia" It is easy to blame the neighbors for all the troubles. It's like - you see a speck in someone else's eye, but you don't notice in your log.
                        Quote: Kars
                        The people? Participating in the rally .. three cripples .. and this is a fact - and this is in the .. pro-Russian .. Sevostopol.

                        You didn’t watch the video that I put above? there are 200 people with banners and posters, what are 3 cripples? where did you get them?
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 24 September 2013 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: astra
                        And what is your Yanukovych communist?

                        And Yanukovych was going to restore something?
                        Quote: astra
                        You, too, are trying to appropriate the voice of the people by making statements

                        Where exactly?
                        Quote: astra
                        I express my opinion on my own.

                        Why is that?
                        Quote: astra
                        We won’t do anything

                        We are you personally I?

                        Quote: astra
                        In this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territory.
                        Here, too, personally I?
                        Quote: astra
                        You see, I could))

                        No, they could not
                        Quote: astra
                        Well rejoice, only your teachings and efforts to me are useless, you will not convince me, so continue to rejoice)))
                        but I don’t try to convince. There is no point in this, you are responsible as you wrote only for yourself. So why?

                        Quote: astra
                        How do you know? Do you know everything presented from Min. Russian foreign notes of protest and statements?

                        Well, present a note, or was it a secret? Don’t blame me - I can’t show the absence of a note in any way. And if it was, then this is your task.

                        Quote: astra
                        Russia has not yet taken all measures

                        even here MEASURES)))
                        Quote: astra
                        You see, you constantly see the "malicious intent of Russia"
                        Well, he is visible with a naked eye.

                        Quote: astra
                        ? there man 200
                        I’m saying natural three cripples, and 200 can’t get there. Even under the video on YouTube it says 20-30. Even the two-line line couldn’t be built. And there are probably party activists from all over Crimea.
                      8. astra
                        astra 24 September 2013 13: 39
                        +5
                        Quote: Kars
                        And Yanukovych was going to restore something?

                        But isn't he going for the next term?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Where exactly?

                        Read the comments.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Why is that?

                        Because. Again began to ask questions in your thread 6 questions!
                        Quote: Kars
                        We are you personally I?

                        Read carefully, you understand everything, and asking questions is easier than answering, what discussion will be if we answer questions with questions.
                        Quote: Kars
                        No, they could not

                        Well, in your opinion I could not, in my opinion I could.
                        Quote: Kars
                        but I don’t try to convince. There is no point in this, you are responsible as you wrote only for yourself. So why?
                        Where I am responsible for myself, where I express my opinion from my point of view of the majority.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, present a note, or she
                        was secret?

                        So you admit that you do not know whether the min.ost.del presented a note of protest or not, but then you claim that there was no betrayal.
                        Quote: Kars
                        even here MEASURES)))

                        what did you think
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, he is visible with a naked eye.

                        Well, consider whatever you want, we need a little.
                        Quote: Kars
                        I’m saying natural three cripples, and 200 can’t get there. Even under the video on YouTube it says 20-30. Even the two-line line couldn’t be built. And there are probably party activists from all over Crimea.

                        20-30 people are enough to express a protest mood, why should the entire population come to pickets.
                      9. Kars
                        Kars 24 September 2013 15: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: astra
                        But isn't he going for the next term?

                        And where does it mean? To restoration then? And he is at least for the second, and Putin to 5? (Just don’t have to talk about the Russian President’s IO Dam))
                        Quote: astra
                        Read the comments.

                        There is no such thing
                        Quote: astra
                        Again began to ask questions in your 6 thread of questions!

                        Taftalogy?
                        Quote: astra
                        I am not responsible for myself, where I express my opinion from my point of view of the majority.
                        Is it you who are turning out like that? Then at least somehow highlight it, otherwise it looks like you take too much on yourself.

                        Quote: astra
                        So you admit that you don’t know whether it showed a min.inost.del protest note or not
                        I affirm that it was UNFAVORABLE. And for this I can’t help knowing what was not.
                        And the fact that YOU did not present FACTS proves that no notes were presented. Otherwise, you would have trumped.


                        Quote: astra
                        what did you think

                        Yes, I thought so, I did not expect civilized cooperation.
                        Quote: astra
                        Well, consider whatever you want, we need a little.
                        who would doubt it. But this is excellent YOU (by the way, again, US)) characterizes.


                        Quote: astra
                        20-30 people are enough to express a protest mood, why should the entire population come to pickets.

                        Well then, according to Femen’s speech, we can say about the rejection of the policy of the Russian Federation by the entire female population of Ukraine. And then what about your Bolotnaya))))
        2. ksan
          ksan 24 September 2013 14: 40
          +1
          Kars (3) UA Yesterday, 22:53 p.m. ↑

          Quote: astra
          And I personally want to see Ukraine, Belarus and other countries of the former USSR in a single state.

          And of course, the main Moscow, and the Russian elder brother))
          If for me it doesn’t matter, let it be in Kiev as originally. Only that one people live in one state. Or do you think that the Little Russians, Belarusians, Great Russians are different nations?

          I personally do not want in the CU and NATO. And the EU is a long prospect.
          The EU is so far away that it is practically unattainable, but NATO is a realistic prospect with joining the FTZ. A cham you specifically do not like the vehicle ?? fellow
          And the fault of the Russian Federation will also be-which in a fit of neo-imperialism will be diligent so that Ukraine could bear this test as hard as possible
          Ну Kars You bent smile . Again, Russia is to blame for breaking into the FTZ ??

          I still do not like the restoration of the Republic of Ingushetia, and there can be no talk of the restoration of the USSR until PU becomes a communist and starts building socialism
          Well, this is generally a unique saying, then European integration is the path to communism wassat
        3. Kars
          Kars 24 September 2013 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: ksan
          Or do you think that Little Russians, Belarusians, Great Russians are different nations?

          Related, nothing more.
          Quote: ksan
          The EU is so far away that it is practically unattainable

          then I see no reason for your concern.
          Quote: ksan
          but NATO, the prospect of joining the FTZ is real

          justify your conclusions.
          Quote: ksan
          Well, Kars, you turned down. Again, Russia is to blame for breaking into the FTZ ??
          And then break into the FTA? but I’ll repeat it

          Quote: Kars
          Just the collapse, or deterioration of the economic indicators of Ukraine, is beneficial only to you - otherwise there will be no chance of laurels ... of the collector of Russian / Soviet lands ...

          Quote: ksan
          Well, this is generally a unique saying, so European integration is the path to communism

          And you can see the logical chain how did you come to this conclusion? You can paint your thoughts (
      2. anton 42
        anton 42 24 September 2013 15: 45
        +3
        Kars, you are either a provocateur or a blind man, if you don’t want to notice the realities, your youth is coming to Russia in our 20-25 years old to do apartment renovations and not to those over 30 as before, and not from the east but from the west of Ukraine. More than once by virtue of his profession, he had already met thereby replacing Moldavan, etc. And what do you think this says ???
      3. gyl
        gyl 27 September 2013 01: 24
        -1
        The fact that the Russians do not want to work is drunk on their villages and towns, while the Ukrainians, Moldavians and Belarusians have preserved the work ethic of their ancestors.
  • yastr
    yastr 24 September 2013 14: 04
    +3
    Quote: astra
    The same relations as with the EU, the visa regime will be.

    I am for it.

    Kars, what a donkey you are.
  • biglow
    biglow 23 September 2013 21: 17
    +11
    Quote: astra
    Quote: Kars
    And why haven’t you closed the border with the EU at all now and are not protecting your market?

    We protect and relations will be just like with the EU
    Quote: Kars
    . We want to enter, we want not to enter.

    I think differently, according to the rules, those countries that do not have disputes over territories can join the NATO, but we can challenge the return of the Khrushchev Crimea. Yes, and most people will be against joining the NATO.
    Quote: Kars
    And why didn’t they separate and join last year? What are you waiting for?

    We will not do anything, when you enter into an association with the EU and as a result, the standard of living will fall even more, then the number of supporters of joining Russia will increase, we will be asked to gladly accept.

    Quote: Kars
    Who said and why?

    The people say. But what are the moods of the people in Crimea when NATO ships enter Crimea

    I hope that Putin will have the strength to return to Russia all the ancestral territories on the basis of legal violations during their transfer from the Russian Federation to the union republics
    Otherwise, the integrity of Russia will not be restored
    1. astra
      astra 23 September 2013 22: 26
      +11
      Quote: biglow
      I hope that Putin will have the strength to return to Russia all the ancestral territories on the basis of legal violations during their transfer from the Russian Federation to the union republics; otherwise, the integrity of Russia will not be restored

      The Russian Empire will recover sooner or later.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 00: 43
      +1
      Quote: biglow
      I hope that Putin will have the strength to return to Russia all the ancestral territories on the basis of legal violations during their transfer from the Russian Federation to the union republics
      Otherwise, the integrity of Russia will not be restored

      You can hope for anything, but for now, tell all fans about what they gave to whom and who and what can take it back to read:
      The agreement between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR on November 19, 1990.
      "ARTICLE 6
      High Contracting Parties recognize and respect territorial integrity Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the borders that now exist within the USSR."
      Treaty of friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on May 31, 1997
      "Article 2
      The High Contracting Parties, in accordance with the provisions of the UN Charter and the obligations of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, respect territorial integrity of each other and confirm the inviolability of the borders between them."
      "Article 3
      The High Contracting Parties shall build relations with each other on the basis of the principles of mutual respect, sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, .. "
      Treaty Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine On the Russian-Ukrainian State Border January 28, 2003
      "Article 1
      In this Agreement, the term "Russian-Ukrainian state border", hereinafter referred to as "state border" or "border", means a line and a vertical surface passing along this line separating the state territories (land, water, subsoil and airspace) of the Contracting Parties. .. "
      "The Russian-Ukrainian state border passes as indicated in the Description of the state border between the Russian Federation and Ukraine (Appendix 1) and is depicted as a solid red line on the maps of the state border between the Russian Federation and Ukraine (Appendix 2).
      The description and maps of the state border attached to this Agreement constitute its integral part. "
      "Article 3
      Any natural changes that may occur on the ground do not change the position of the Russian-Ukrainian state border defined by this Treaty, unless otherwise agreed "
      All those who like to shout about "taking away" to read until you learn. There are no territorial claims between our countries, the border between the Russian Federation and Ukraine is delimited and demarcated (seemingly already completely).
    3. gyl
      gyl 27 September 2013 01: 26
      -1
      Yeah, you acknowledge that the Far Eastern regions are not primordial and it is necessary to bring them to China. Go on ..
  • USMC
    USMC 24 September 2013 20: 21
    -2
    Quote: astra
    The people say. But what about the mood of the people

    whom I know, basically it's all for NATO, so for the whole people you don’t have to sign
    1. astra
      astra 24 September 2013 21: 10
      +2
      Quote: USMC
      whom I know, basically it's all for NATO, so for the whole people you don’t have to sign

      whom I know so against NATO, so do not hide behind most
  • gyl
    gyl 27 September 2013 01: 13
    -1
    The US URO frigate came in, and under its cover, divers of the Ukrainian Navy caught some crap, an underwater electronic buoy at the entrance to the Sevastopol bay. Not a single grandmother on call, we don’t need to, she didn’t miss, the Crimea is no longer pro-Russian, it’s purely Donetsk, and the locals have sensitively caught it - and they don’t hesitate exclusively to the beat of the party line, there will be strong, but sure (from).
  • tomket
    tomket 24 September 2013 07: 26
    +4
    they are waiting for you there, well, unless they are just like an unplowed field for European homosexuals, are you ready to surrender to homosexuals?)
    1. gyl
      gyl 27 September 2013 01: 32
      -1
      - no, they’re not ready, so we say to the Euro-mosques, they are not against refusal, they don’t bother, tea is not dagi with chechi, and thank God, we are not famous Russian Cossacks to force us ...
  • cyber_punk
    cyber_punk 23 September 2013 20: 48
    -27%
    The trick is that Ukraine can also "close the market" and where will you then push your goods that are not competitive in the rest of the world? Belarus and Kazakhstan will not save you. And there is no need to talk about the pro-Russian regions here, it is enough to see how the miners of the Kuzbass survive to understand that the miners of the Donbass in Russia have nothing to catch and they will not heal better .. this is unclear only to the idiot. And the sailors of the Black Sea Fleet, so as not to feel like guests, is enough to behave appropriately, and not to arrange drunken shooting on the streets of Sevastopol, etc. .. otherwise they are already stupidly dangerous for civilians.
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 September 2013 21: 01
      +6
      Quote: cyber_punk
      The trick is that Ukraine can also "close the market" and where will you then push your goods that are not competitive in the rest of the world?

      And what is Russian? As a man in the street, I do not see. Although Russian chocolate and Baltika beer are not bad.
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 16
        -10%
        Orbit chewing gum was brought from Russia)))) Well, the turnover is billions ... not just gas, they produce something))
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 September 2013 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: cyber_punk
          not just the same gas, they still produce something))

          Naturally. Just when they say that we can do without Ukrainian goods, a similar question arises. For example, I recently learned that none of the Soviet factories for the production of televisions located in Ukraine has closed and Ukraine produces more than 500 thousand a year. As a result, there is 32 "LED" Electron "at home
          1. cyber_punk
            cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 55
            -10%
            I do not say that we will manage but we will not disappear. It’s just that you have to come up with your Onishchenko (preferably with a Russian surname) for a long time and answer Russia in her style .. we don’t like our sweets, in return we reject their beer and so on, a loss.
            1. biglow
              biglow 24 September 2013 09: 14
              +3
              your friend seems like 15 years old, although you have to look at the labels, the manufacturer is indicated
            2. ksan
              ksan 24 September 2013 15: 12
              +1
              cyber_punk UA Yesterday, 21:55 ↑

              I do not say that we will manage but we will not disappear. It’s just that you have to come up with your Onishchenko a long time ago
              Exactly "to spite my mother, I'll frostbite my ears" wink
            3. MG42
              MG42 24 September 2013 15: 28
              +3
              Quote: cyber_punk
              It’s just that you have to come up with your Onishchenko (preferably with a Russian surname) for a long time and answer Russia in her style .. we don’t like our sweets, in return we reject their beer and so on, a loss.

              Very stupid to swear with Russia, now after 2-3 weeks the heating season in Ukraine should begin ..
              Although it’s already outside + 10 degrees ..
        2. biglow
          biglow 23 September 2013 22: 35
          +1
          all Mars products are made in Russia, in Ukraine they do not have factories. So without sweets and gum some
        3. ksan
          ksan 24 September 2013 15: 05
          +1
          Orbit chewing gum was brought from Russia)))) Well, the turnover is billions ... not just gas, they produce something))
          Orbit chewing gum "belongs" to the Geyropeans fellow , it is unlikely that they will allow you not to let them into Ukraine. hi
        4. USMC
          USMC 24 September 2013 20: 46
          0
          Quote: cyber_punk
          Orbit chewing gum was brought from Russia)))) Well, the turnover is billions ... not just gas, they produce something))

          Sneakers are still Russian, though in Europe they are cheaper)))
      2. nikcris
        nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 38
        0
        The Baltic is a terrible crap, Russian drunks don’t consume it, and 75% of Babaevsky’s chocolate is nothing.
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 September 2013 21: 50
          +5
          Quote: nikcris
          The Baltic is a terrible crap, Russian drunks don’t consume it,

          I won't disappoint you much. The Baltika that is sold on the territory of Ukraine is bottled by the Ukrainian "Slavutich" and it is not bad, but this is a Russian brand.
      3. gyl
        gyl 27 September 2013 01: 37
        0
        well, and the products of the Russian automobile industry, and vodara, and the products of ROSATOM - competing with Westinghouse, the supply of ore, coal and electricity, but good turnover, 25% to Russia, and oil and gas have already been reduced.
    2. biglow
      biglow 23 September 2013 21: 32
      +12
      Quote: cyber_punk
      The trick is that Ukraine can also "close the market" and where will you then push your goods that are not competitive in the rest of the world? Belarus and Kazakhstan will not save you. And the seamen of the Black Sea Fleet, in order not to feel like guests, is enough to behave adequately, and not to arrange drunken shooting on the streets of Sevastopol, etc. .. otherwise they are already stupidly dangerous for civilians.


      Russia has a fairly large market and those crumbs that are not sold in Ukraine will not affect

      The Black Sea Fleet sailors are at home in their native base in the city of Sevastopol and no one goes drunk. And do not tell residents of Lviv what to do at home
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 46
        -16%
        I was born in Odessa, I have never been to Lviv. They go drunk and go to self-propelled guns, you did not serve to see. You are a fat fat troll.
        1. biglow
          biglow 23 September 2013 22: 30
          +5
          Quote: cyber_punk
          I was born in Odessa, I have never been to Lviv. They go drunk and go to self-propelled guns, you did not serve to see. You are a fat fat troll.

          I served in the army, but did not drink or drink vodka. And there’s no where to go to self-propelled laughing
          In Sevastopol, I have never seen drunken sailors of the Black Sea Fleet. Although I live here as if ....
          1. cyber_punk
            cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 44
            -7
            Do you control them all? Do you run after everyone? Well, you don’t drink well, I don’t smoke and didn’t smoke in the army, but this does not exclude the fact that others smoke.
    3. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 35
      +4
      And what is not the same with the miners of Kuzbass? I have an aunt and cousins ​​in Osinniki - they don’t complain about fate belay
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 49
        -3
        And in Seversk I have a grandmother and cousin and they don’t tear to Russia .. probably because the brother is a normal person from those that will not disappear anywhere. And to all the losers in Russia and Ukraine it’s sucks, they hope for someone that they will come and feed, yeah.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 23 September 2013 23: 44
      +5
      Quote: cyber_punk
      The trick is that Ukraine can also "close the market" and where will you then push your goods that are not competitive in the rest of the world?

      don’t worry, but your confectioners will have to oh how tight if the TS closes the markets
    5. ksan
      ksan 24 September 2013 15: 00
      0
      The trick is that Ukraine can also "close the market" and where will you then push your goods that are not competitive in the rest of the world? Belarus and Kazakhstan will not save you.
      Is Russia "closing the market" ?? On the contrary, Russia invites to the Customs Union, and tries to explain (for the umpteenth time) that Ukraine's entry into an FTA with the EU will negatively affect both, Russia and Ukraine. Only Ukraine "will get more" hi
  • Fofan
    Fofan 23 September 2013 20: 32
    +8
    Quote: Kars
    The next time we start taking tests from crews arriving from Syria, look for chemical weapons. Or do you think only you (the Russian Federation) can pickle trucks with socks on the border for a week, taking radioactivity tests, recount, etc.))))
    what is it? more likely to be like during the August 2008 "mirage" entry.
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: Fofan
      what is it? more likely to be like during the August 2008 "mirage" entry.

      True, true. Then we will increase the tariffs for utility services. We will introduce limits on electricity. We will connect environmental supervision. If you can think of a lot of things.
      1. astra
        astra 23 September 2013 20: 55
        +7
        Quote: Kars
        True, true. Then we will increase the tariffs for utility services. We will introduce limits on electricity. We will connect environmental supervision. If you can think of a lot of things.

        In this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territory. We have the right not to conquer the Crimea from the Ottomans.
        What then are the Zapadents - declare war?))) Do not speak for all the people of Ukraine, the Easterners will support us, and the Zapadents will be expelled from Crimea.
        1. cyber_punk
          cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 23
          -16%
          You, too, do not speak for all the people, nor for the Easterners either. Even in Donetsk and Lugansk, not everything under Putler’s wing is torn, and in Kharkov, Poltava and the Dnieper, every year less and less .. generations who did not live in the USSR without nostalgia for missiles on a cube and tanks in Berlin grow.
          1. biglow
            biglow 23 September 2013 21: 34
            +5
            Quote: cyber_punk
            You, too, do not speak for all the people, nor for the Easterners either. Even in Donetsk and Lugansk, not everything under Putler’s wing is torn, and in Kharkov, Poltava and the Dnieper, every year less and less .. generations who did not live in the USSR without nostalgia for missiles on a cube and tanks in Berlin grow.

            and you will go under the bullets for the three times convicted president? laughing
            1. cyber_punk
              cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 02
              -7
              I did not go to those elections, so your question is not at the address.
            2. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 24 September 2013 00: 57
              +2
              and you will go under the bullets for the three times convicted president?

              Sorry for the clarification. hi For twice. Not convicted. lol
          2. uizik
            uizik 23 September 2013 22: 14
            +19
            Yes, for sure, the generation grew up mainly on the hatred of Russians cultivated by the authorities! All the years of independence, the authorities latently slowly but surely instilled and inculcated the "Zapadensky" mentality. Everything was done to oppose the peoples of Ukraine and Russia. And what they write; turn it off, increase the fee, this is so show-off. On the contrary, the tilt towards the EU is the hysteria of Ukraine. They realized that they themselves are nothing-zero. There is no chance of becoming great. And running errands is a chance to live at the very least on the leftovers of the owner. In the history of Ukraine she has done such tricks more than once. The result is a count in a dupa from the "owners". So go ahead for the "orders"!
            1. cyber_punk
              cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 24
              -15%
              In fairness, the Westerners have reasons to hate the Russians; not a single Bandera member was in Moscow or Irkutsk. But how many visitors from the RSFSR "noted" in Ukraine can not be counted. But you are exaggerating this mythical hatred, the percentage of these characters in the population of Ukraine is not so great ... you should work for ORT. I wonder what are the chances of Russia to be great with Kitay ... while Russia wants to push China oil and gas, and not a sign of a great power ... this is a sign of a raw material appendage.
              1. biglow
                biglow 23 September 2013 23: 37
                +7
                Quote: cyber_punk
                In fairness, the Westerners have reasons to hate the Russians; not a single Bandera member was in Moscow or Irkutsk. But how many visitors from the RSFSR "noted" in Ukraine can not be counted. But you are exaggerating this mythical hatred, the percentage of these characters in the population of Ukraine is not so great ... you should work for ORT. I wonder what are the chances of Russia to be great with Kitay ... while Russia wants to push China oil and gas, and not a sign of a great power ... this is a sign of a raw material appendage.

                and who works at construction sites, not residents of Galicia.
                Find variag magazine in LJ and read how the banderlogs of their own inhabitants were destroyed, only for suspicion of supporting the new government.
                And under the king of landless Galicians in Siberia they settled and gave allotments of land and they went there voluntarily.
                We teach a normal story and not Bendery legends about heroes and fat
              2. AntonR7
                AntonR7 24 September 2013 15: 07
                0
                And which country with the resources does not sell them ?! And here an appendage who is rich in what he sells.
          3. astra
            astra 23 September 2013 22: 44
            +10
            Quote: cyber_punk
            You, too, do not speak for all the people, nor for the Easterners either. Even in Donetsk and Lugansk, not everything under Putler’s wing is torn, and in Kharkov, Poltava and the Dnieper, every year less and less .. generations who did not live in the USSR without nostalgia for missiles on a cube and tanks in Berlin grow.

            I don’t speak for all the people, like many here I want a united powerful empire as under - the USSR or tsarist Russia. Putin or Lukashenko makes no difference to me who will head the united state, but not like Yanukovych.
            1. cyber_punk
              cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 54
              -20%
              Tsarist Russia was not powerful, the most stupid defeat for the Japanese in 1905 was a confirmation of this. All the king’s power consisted in filling up the enemy with the corpses of soldiers. Such geniuses as Suvorov, Brusilov or Makarov were rare, mental cripples such as Admiral Rozhdestvensky prevailed and so in most areas of activity. Well, in the USSR, too, they loved to fill up with corpses. But this is not power, it is a spit on people. And modern Russian ilita supports these traditions of power.
              1. astra
                astra 24 September 2013 00: 00
                +9
                Quote: cyber_punk
                Tsarist Russia was not powerful, the most stupid defeat for the Japanese in 1905 was a confirmation of this. All the king’s power consisted in filling up the enemy with the corpses of soldiers. Such geniuses as Suvorov, Brusilov or Makarov were rare, mental cripples such as Admiral Rozhdestvensky prevailed and so in most areas of activity. Well, in the USSR, too, they loved to fill up with corpses. But this is not power, it is a spit on people.

                I agree with you. The last tsar was weak, the empire fell, then the USSR fell for the second time. Western countries helped in many of the falls, but they succeed in separating Russia and Ukraine from different directions, using contradictions and stepping on sore spots. But there will be no mistakes? any country had both white and black stripes, let's hope that we exit from the black strip.
              2. AntonR7
                AntonR7 24 September 2013 15: 11
                -1
                Tsarist Russia was powerful, and I will tell you and Astra that it was only because of the revolution that it was decided not to continue the war with Japan, which we certainly would have won according to the estimates of the then experts, but considering what kind of world it was (not in Japan’s favor) and Russia didn’t pay the indemnity as if the Japanese wanted it, this world is more in our favor than the Japanese one and the king was not weak, it was he who, contrary to Witte, insisted on a favorable world for us.
              3. ksan
                ksan 24 September 2013 15: 38
                0
                cyber_punk UA Yesterday, 22:54 ↑

                Tsarist Russia was not powerful, the most stupid defeat for the Japanese in 1905 was a confirmation of this. All the king’s power consisted in filling up the enemy with the corpses of soldiers. Such geniuses as Suvorov, Brusilov or Makarov were rare, mental cripples such as Admiral Rozhdestvensky prevailed and so in most areas of activity. Well, in the USSR, too, they loved to fill up with corpses. But this is not power, it is a spit on people. And modern Russian ilita supports these traditions of power.
                Is it in Ukraine so history is taught ???? Yes-ahhh, then what can I argue about? fellow
          4. aleks77
            aleks77 24 September 2013 01: 07
            +6
            I’m sure that from a third to half of the tank crew of tankers and rocket launchers was from the Ukrainian SSR, it also applies to missiles with tanks.
            And the corn mailer who sent missiles to Cuba, where did he come from?
            And that considerable part of the missiles that carried democratic values ​​and freedom where was aimed? (because of which I had to launch missiles to Cuba)
          5. MG42
            MG42 24 September 2013 15: 32
            +4
            Quote: cyber_punk
            .growth generations who did not live in the USSR without nostalgia for missiles in the cube and tanks in Berlin.

            Punks grow up who don't need anything nafik and all this is multiplied by the Ukrainian principle "I don't know anything from the edge of my house", they sit from morning till night at the computer and troll .. hi
        2. Kars
          Kars 23 September 2013 21: 31
          +1
          Quote: astra
          In this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territory

          Why didn’t you announce it before? And on what basis?
          Quote: astra
          We have the right not to conquer the Crimea from the Ottomans.

          And not you either. Especially since we conquered Crimea from the Germans together. And not only Crimea - my grandfather defended Leningrad for example, although he always called ka-tsapov.
          Quote: astra
          do not speak for all the people of Ukraine, the Easterners will support us,
          Well, I, as an Easterner, will not support you)))
          1. astra
            astra 23 September 2013 22: 36
            +11
            Quote: Kars
            Why didn’t you announce it before? And on what basis?

            If we had a president like Stalin, all the countries of the former USSR would have been a part of a long time ago.
            Quote: Kars
            And not you either. Especially since we conquered Crimea from the Germans together. And not only Crimea - my grandfather defended Leningrad for example, although he always called ka-tsapov.

            Then who? Germans?))) In June-July of 1771, Russian troops conquered the Crimea. Video on the topic:
            Quote: Kars
            Well, I, as an Easterner, will not support you)))

            I personally do not need to be supported, well, you are obviously an Easterner with pro-Western views, I hope that you are a minority.
            1. Kars
              Kars 23 September 2013 22: 42
              +1
              Quote: astra
              If we had a president like Stalin, all the countries of the former USSR would have been a part of a long time ago.

              Nda-rosii appears to need Georgians to feel like a superpower.
              Quote: astra
              Then who? Germans?))) In June-July of 1771, Russian troops conquered the Crimea. Video on the topic:

              you still in the days of the Greeks and Elada de want the Ocunutsa))) maybe the Scythians? And even in 1771 ..Russian ..the army included Ukrainians.
              Quote: astra
              I personally do not need to be supported, well, you are obviously an Easterner with pro-Western views, I hope that you are a minority.

              hope, hope.
              1. astra
                astra 23 September 2013 22: 53
                +6
                Quote: Kars
                Nda-rosii appears to need Georgians to feel like a superpower.

                Ohhh, you’re my friend, a nationalist, it seems like the president of the Georgians makes you laugh.
                Quote: Kars
                you still in the days of the Greeks and Elada de want the Ocunutsa))) maybe the Scythians? And even in 1771 ..Russian ..the army included Ukrainians.

                You can’t argue against history. Crimea was conquered by Russian troops, including nationalities in the modern sense, since then Russian words were given to all Russian Ukrainians, Belorussians, Uzbek Tatars, etc. there was no division according to nationality, hence the conclusion that Russia was then strong.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 13: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Ooh, yes, you, my friend, a nationalist, it seems that the Georgian president makes you laugh

                  More like a racist.
                  Quote: astra
                  .And what are you better than a Georgian, if so ironic.

                  Did I say I'm better?
                  Quote: Kars
                  Nda-rosii appears to need Georgians to feel like a superpower.

                  It seems more like it is the Russians who feel like second grade, and are insisting on the arrival of the superman
                  Quote: astra
                  If we had a president like Stalin, all the countries of the former USSR would have been a part of a long time ago.

                  Quote: astra
                  hence the conclusion that Russia was then strong.

                  And how does this relate to the current situation? The Second World War is closer in timeline, and the population of the Ukrainian SSR took an active part in it, so for all its current territory it paid the full price of blood and sweat.
                2. astra
                  astra 24 September 2013 14: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  More like a racist.

                  fascists were also racists
                  Quote: Kars
                  Did I say I'm better?

                  So it turns out, just ironic.
                  Quote: Kars
                  It seems more like it is the Russians who feel like second grade, and are insisting on the arrival of the superman

                  just in the EU you will be considered 2 sotrom. that bad if a strong person comes to power.
                  Quote: Kars
                  therefore, for all of its current territory, it paid in full with blood and sweat.

                  losses? this does not happen
                3. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 15: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  fascists were also racists

                  It happens. And you probably are not against the assimilation of immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus with the Slovenian population?
                  Quote: astra
                  So it turns out, just ironic.

                  so I’m not above a Georgian, but above you.
                  Quote: astra
                  just in the EU you will be considered 2 sotr.

                  Why would it? Especially given the destructive passion of Europeans for tolerance?
                  Quote: astra
                  . that bad if a strong person comes to power.

                  Can you invite someone from the DPRK? Like Rurik? (Well, like something about Varangians there)

                  Quote: astra
                  losses? this does not happen
                  What doesn’t happen? And Ukrainians have lost more than one million people in the Second World War.
                4. astra
                  astra 24 September 2013 21: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  And you probably are not against the assimilation of immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus with the Slovenian population?

                  Russia does not divide people according to nationality.
                  but for you, only one Ukrainians and no one else?
                  Quote: Kars
                  so I’m not above a Georgian, but above you.

                  Yes, you already lose your mind once you write nonsense. Let me remind you:
                  Quote: Kars
                  Nda-rosii appears to need Georgians to feel like a superpower.

                  And here I am writing about Stalin and the superpower, what relation do I have to not drag the gag.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Why would it? Especially given the destructive passion of Europeans for tolerance?

                  and to sexual minorities)))
                  Quote: Kars
                  Can you invite someone from the DPRK? Like Rurik? (Well, like something about Varangians there)

                  Why go so far? I personally like Lukashenko.
                  Quote: Kars
                  and Ukrainians lost more than one million people in World War II.

                  All the peoples of the USSR have lost people; do not set yourself apart only.
                5. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 21: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Russia does not divide people according to nationality.

                  doesn’t divide? But you do not answer the question
                  Quote: Kars
                  And you probably are not against the assimilation of immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus with the Slovenian population?

                  there at the end is not a point but a question mark.
                  Quote: astra
                  but for you, only one Ukrainians and no one else?

                  It’s also enough different. Therefore, in principle, it would be nice to have a visa regime with the Russian Federation and its Chechens.
                  Quote: astra
                  Yes, you already lose your mind once you write nonsense. Let me remind you:

                  Quote: Kars
                  Nda-rosii appears to need Georgians to feel like a superpower.

                  you probably read poorly? the phrase is just about you - Russia)) which needs GEORGIAN and not Russian))) that would return to the status of a superpower)) so it’s over YOU.
                  Quote: astra
                  and to sexual minorities)))

                  Does it bother you so much? Are you afraid for your identity if everything is allowed and gays are not oppressed, can you get overtaken?
                  Quote: astra
                  Why go so far? I personally like Lukashenko.

                  also an option, but rather weak - caved in front of the Russian Federation, put its pipe in, it’s still kicking, but it’s not visible for long.
                  Quote: astra
                  All the peoples of the USSR have lost people; do not set yourself apart only.
                  Well, so they paid for their territories with blood, but didn’t allocate them — I’m just trying to translate the arrows.
                  Quote: Kars
                  The Second World War is closer on the timeline, and the population of the Ukrainian SSR took an active part in it, therefore, for the whole of its current territory it paid in full with blood and sweat.

                  Or say no?
                6. astra
                  astra 24 September 2013 21: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  doesn’t divide? But you do not answer the question

                  No, does not share, where did you see what we share?
                  Which question?
                  Quote: Kars
                  there at the end is not a point but a question mark.

                  I answer - I am for the return of emigrants to Russia and the Russian-speaking population.
                  Quote: Kars
                  It’s also enough different. Therefore, in principle, it would be nice to have a visa regime with the Russian Federation and its Chechens.

                  Soon after 2015, the visa regime will be in place, many people of Ukraine will lose their jobs.
                  Quote: Kars
                  you probably read poorly? the phrase is just about you - Russia)) which needs GEORGIAN and not Russian))) that would return to the status of a superpower)) so it’s over YOU.

                  I read normally, but I write in a disfigured manner. All Russians, Kazakhs, Georgians, Ukrainians, etc., can be elected for president. but with Russian citizenship.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Does it bother you so much? Are you afraid for your identity if everything is allowed and gays are not oppressed, can you get overtaken?

                  It’s just not annoying but laughs, such a desire for geyneurope, soon you will personally be in your environment.
                  Quote: Kars
                  also an option, but rather weak - caved in front of the Russian Federation, put its pipe in, it’s still kicking, but it’s not visible for long.

                  It’s not too weak, the pipe is visually visually passed and received cheap gas in return, if they had received the same cheap gas in a vehicle, it is limited by the size of small Belarus, and it would have turned around on the scale of Russia and Belarus.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, so they paid for their territories with blood, but didn’t allocate them — I’m just trying to translate the arrows.

                  Nothing to say here and blame the shooter, argue the charge.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Or say no?

                  In your opinion, this is an argument in favor of the separation of the Ukrainian SSR from the USSR, if only the Ottomans themselves would have conquered Crimea, then all the grounds for Crimean membership in Ukraine.
                7. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 22: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  No, does not share, where did you see what we share?

                  Well live by illusions
                  Quote: astra
                  Which question?

                  Quote: Kars
                  And you probably are not against the assimilation of immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus with the Slovenian population?

                  Quote: astra
                  I answer - I am for the return of emigrants to Russia and the Russian-speaking population.

                  Well, something like that does not tear you apart, not counting the hot spots.
                  Quote: astra
                  Soon after 2015, the visa regime will be in place, many people of Ukraine will lose their jobs.

                  How is it that they will lose their jobs because of the visa regime? Do you think a visa in the Russian Federation will be more difficult to get than a Schengen? But your cops, maybe the money will be reduced, there will be less illegal immigrants.
                  Quote: astra
                  I read normally, but I write disfigured.

                  I did not know that the Georgians, in response to your desire for the coming of Stalin, were camouflaged.

                  Quote: astra
                  it’s not annoying, but laughs, such a desire for geyneurope, soon you will personally be in your environment.

                  How did you not please European values?
                  Quote: astra
                  Just not annoying
                  Yes, no, it’s somehow unlikely, so focusing on sexual minorities - this should alert you.

                  Quote: astra
                  It’s not weak, it’s an adrenely sighted pipe that it has handed over in exchange, it’s got cheap gas, if it were in a vehicle, it would have received the same cheap gas

                  Think for yourself why the Russian Federation has someone to blow cheap gas at a loss? From spiritual kindness? No, this is a scheme for pumping dough to support the Russian economy, and the rest of the CU members will act as donors.
                  Quote: astra
                  there is nothing to say, and you blame the shooter, justify the accusation.

                  Nothing to say about?
                  Quote: astra
                  In your opinion, this is an argument in favor of the separation of the Ukrainian SSR from the USSR, if only the Ottomans themselves would have conquered the Ottomans then all the grounds for the Crimea’s membership in Ukraine

                  We won it from the Germans in 1943, like Stalingrad, Minsk, Leningrad (although we do not pretend to be) - and the Ottomans go through the woods, just like in the Russian Empire that was bosociated. And this is not an organization in favor of secession, this is an argument that you ( RF) we (Ukraine) do not owe anything.
                8. astra
                  astra 24 September 2013 23: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well live by illusions

                  Judge by yourself?
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, something like that does not tear you apart, not counting the hot spots.

                  How do you know? Are you a seer?))) You are mistaken recently on TV, they showed migrants from Argentina, Old Believers, settled in Russia and there are a lot of them, however, I foresee the question how do you know, I can ask the same how do you know how much it got to us and how many refused you live in Ukraine how do you know about Russia.
                  Quote: Kars
                  How is it that they will lose their jobs because of the visa regime? Do you think a visa in the Russian Federation will be more difficult to get than a Schengen? But your cops, maybe the money will be reduced, there will be less illegal immigrants.

                  Haha, there are more illegal immigrants from you, and you just need more visas, our vacationers only need to try to get to the Ukrainian resorts, as a result, you will lose more. It’s easy to get a visa, you just need to enter another country work so needs a work visa and getting good from the employer to whom it goes. Why do we need to go to work for you if your salaries are many times less than ours. So, Ukraine will lose more from the visa regime.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I did not know that the Georgians, in response to your desire for the coming of Stalin, were camouflaged.

                  And what are you giving my quotes for yours? I wrote this about the desire for a person to come to power in the format of Stalin.
                  Quote: Kars
                  How did you not please European values?

                  Question to the question of what the vehicle does not suit you.
                  Quote: Kars
                  to focus on sexual minorities - this should alert you.

                  When you are in the EU and gays will openly walk around and impose homosexual values ​​in Ukraine and you cannot arrest them, then it will be too late for you to be alarmed.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Think for yourself why the Russian Federation has someone to blow cheap gas at a loss? From spiritual kindness? No, this is a scheme for pumping dough to support the Russian economy, and the rest of the CU members will act as donors.

                  There is profit from Belarus, though not as big as we get from you))) but everything is in Belarus’s plus with cheap gas, we are guaranteed to pump to the West. Kazakhstan would not join if it weren’t profitable.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Nothing to say about?

                  Why are you blaming the shooter?
                  Quote: Kars
                  We won it from the Germans in 1943, like Stalingrad, Minsk, Leningrad (although we do not pretend to be) - and the Ottomans go through the woods, just like in the Russian Empire that was bosociated. And this is not an organization in favor of secession, this is an argument that you ( RF) we (Ukraine) do not owe anything.

                  Do not confuse the USSR in the 2nd World War and not Ukraine, then there was no such state, all nations fought, do not distinguish yourself. And the Russian troops conquered Crimea from the Ottomans.
                9. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 23: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Judge by yourself?

                  Naturally, as not feeding illusions about yours.
                  Quote: astra
                  How do you know? Are you a seer?)

                  In general, seers are those who predict ... the future. But I'm talking about the past. But you can refute me with statistics on migration to Russia, just as you refuted me by showing a note of Russian foreign mines regarding the participation of Ukrainians in the Georgian conflict) )
                  Quote: astra
                  Haha illegal immigrants just from you more, and you just need more visas

                  and what haha ​​then?
                  Quote: astra
                  So Ukraine will lose more from the visa regime.

                  vryatli, maybe even tax deductions will rise if everyone goes to work in Russia officially, and let the rest work at home.
                  Quote: astra
                  And what are you giving my quotes for yours? I wrote this about the desire for a person to come to power in the format of Stalin.
                  )))))

                  Quote: astra
                  If we had a president like Stalin, all the countries of the former USSR would have been a part of a long time ago.

                  show the words the format is like Stalin? is Stalin and that’s it. But what format is it))) do you need the Georgian government in power? do you want to say that?
                  Quote: astra
                  when you are in the EU and gays openly walk around and impose homosexual values ​​in Ukraine and you cannot arrest them, then it will be too late for you to be alarmed.
                  And what is it possible in the Russian Federation to arrest gays? They are forbidden to openly walk around?)) They made fun of)) about to impose - is it somewhere in the EU? Is it an imposition?
                10. astra
                  astra 26 September 2013 01: 55
                  +3
                  Forgot to answer, miss corrected.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Naturally, as not feeding illusions about yours.

                  Well, let's see where your illusions lead
                  Quote: Kars
                  In general, seers are those who predict ... the future. But I'm talking about the past. But you can refute me with statistics on migration to Russia, just as you refuted me by showing a note of Russian foreign mines regarding the participation of Ukrainians in the Georgian conflict) )

                  Well ask, I will answer the question with a question in your key: you asked a question
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, something like that does not tear you apart, not counting the hot spots.

                  I answer your question as above
                  Quote: Kars
                  can you confirm your words with statistics?

                  Then disprove me with the statistics of statements of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, once you have said so, answer with arguments and not put this concern on me, you asked a question, do you reinforce the statistics
                  Quote: Kars
                  and what haha ​​then?

                  Your illegal immigrants are more in Russia than Russians in Ukraine.
                  Quote: Kars
                  vryatli, maybe even tax deductions will rise if everyone goes to work in Russia officially, and let the rest work at home.

                  What do you think, what is the number of legal workers Russia will provide with work to the detriment of itself? and issue visas to Ukrainians? We will try to provide jobs for our citizens, not strangers.
                  Quote: Kars
                  )))))
                  laughing

                  Quote: Kars
                  show the words the format is like Stalin? is Stalin and that’s it. But what format is it))) do you need the Georgian government in power? do you want to say that?

                  Is it really so hard to come to terms? - a man with the most endowed with looks, decisions, etc. character traits.
                  Quote: Kars
                  And what is it possible in the Russian Federation to arrest gays? They are forbidden to openly walk around?)) They made fun of)) about to impose - is it somewhere in the EU? Is it an imposition?

                  In Russia, gays are not allowed to openly promote their ideas and views of homosexuality, but in Europe it is possible. Europe will force you to allow same-sex marriage if you refuse. You say so as if you had not read numerous articles on these topics here.
                11. Kars
                  Kars 26 September 2013 15: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: astra
                  Well, let's see where your illusions lead

                  I don’t have any illusions.
                  Quote: astra
                  Then disprove me with the statistics of statements of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, once you have said so, answer with arguments and not put this concern on me, you asked a question, do you reinforce the statistics

                  Did you understand what you wrote?
                  But about the notes of the Russian Federation on the participation of Ukrainians in the war in Georgia, you are not presenting)))
                  Quote: astra
                  Your illegal immigrants are more in Russia than Russians in Ukraine.

                  And so what? The more illegal immigrants legalized the better for the budget of Ukraine.
                  Quote: astra
                  What do you think, what is the number of legal workers Russia will provide with work to the detriment of itself? and issue visas to Ukrainians? We will try to provide jobs for our citizens, not strangers.

                  I’ve written the flag in my hands, just for the sake of pulling it for too long, however, as with everything else.
                  Quote: astra
                  Is it really so hard to come to terms? - a man with the most endowed with looks, decisions, etc. character traits.
                  Why do I have to guess - everything was clear, and so the Russian Federation is needed ..varyag ..

                  Quote: astra
                  You say so as if you had not read numerous articles on these topics here.
                  I? I have not read.

                  Quote: astra
                  Europe will force you to allow same-sex marriage

                  I have nothing against gay marriage.

                  Quote: astra
                  Gays are not allowed in Russia to openly promote their ideas and views of homosexuality

                  ))) so they are arrested or not?
                  Quote: astra
                  you cannot arrest them here
                12. astra
                  astra 26 September 2013 23: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  I don’t have any illusions.

                  So do I.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Did you understand what you wrote?
                  But about the notes of the Russian Federation on the participation of Ukrainians in the war in Georgia, you are not presenting)))

                  I understood it and you don’t understand. Conflict yourself if you yourself said:
                  Quote: Kars
                  There is nothing there. And this is simple evidence of the absence of official notes from Russian foreign mines.
                  Just you have to confirm your words if you write.
                  Quote: Kars
                  And so what? The more illegal immigrants legalized the better for the budget of Ukraine.

                  I am not against legalization, especially highly intellectual staff, for example, if the designers of KB Yuzhnoye started working with ours then the BZHRK would have revived.But with the introduction of visas, the number of illegal immigrants in Russia will sharply decrease, and I am glad because they are putting people at work for us.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Why do I have to guess - everything was clear, and so the Russian Federation is needed ..varyag ..

                  And what is bad, for example, Catherine 2 is German, but as I raised Russia, I would not mind the second such take.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I? I did not read

                  And if you read why ask
                  Quote: astra
                  Quote: Kars
                  And what in the Russian Federation can arrest gays? They are forbidden to walk openly?

                  Quote: Kars
                  I have nothing against gay marriage.

                  Why? Are you religious? if so then it’s not by god, but if not by God it means against. Would you allow your son to marry a man, or daughter a woman? You surprise me ....
                  Quote: Kars
                  ))) so they are arrested or not?

                  Am I a judge to know everything? It seems they are being detained, fined for violations and then released.
                13. Kars
                  Kars 27 September 2013 00: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  I understood it and you don’t understand. Conflict yourself if you yourself said:

                  Quote: astra
                  Just you have to confirm your words if you write.

                  How can I confirm the LACK? Are you out of your mind? But the fact that YOU cannot present them proves everything.
                  Quote: astra
                  With the introduction of visas, the number of illegal immigrants in Russia will sharply decrease, and I’m glad, because they hinder our work.

                  I am also glad of this. Let ours go home, and Tajiks to you.
                  Quote: astra
                  And what is bad, for example, Catherine 2 is German, but as I raised Russia, I would not mind the second such take.

                  Why are you confirming me? Talking about the desire for the Vikings.
                  Quote: astra
                  And if you read why ask
                  Strange, I clearly wrote that I did not read.

                  Quote: astra
                  Why?

                  This is their own business.
                  Quote: astra
                  Are you religious?
                  not really.

                  Quote: astra
                  What would you allow your son to marry a man, or daughter, a woman?

                  And why not? If it is their free will.
                  Quote: astra
                  Am I a judge to know everything?

                  But you write as if you know.
                14. astra
                  astra 27 September 2013 00: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  How can I confirm the LACK? Are you out of your mind? But the fact that YOU cannot present them proves everything.

                  And what then are you asking stupid questions and statements? You yourself refuse your words, you write:
                  But on the note of the Russian Federation on the participation of Ukrainians in the war in Georgia you do not present)))
                  I asked you to provide evidence of the presentation of a note of protest min.inost.del. since the first ones themselves said, and then you ask without first answering my question.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I am also glad of this. Let ours go home, and Tajiks to you

                  No Tajiks will remain at home, however, like all the illegal immigrants of the former USSR except the CU countries.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Why are you confirming me? Talking about the desire for the Vikings.

                  I do not quite understand what they wrote.
                  I can’t believe that you didn’t read such topics here with such a long history of finding and the number of comments.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Quote: astra
                  What would you allow your son to marry a man, or daughter, a woman?
                  Well, you struck me !!! we are with different views. But what about the grandchildren? what will you adopt strangers? But what about the continuation of the clan?

                  And why not? If it is their free will.

                  Quote: Kars
                  But you write as if you know.

                  When it seems to be baptized, where are my solid statements of knowledge, what are you making up?
                15. Kars
                  Kars 27 September 2013 00: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  I asked you to provide evidence of the presentation of the protest note min.inost.del. since the first ones themselves said, and then you ask without first answering my question

                  Are you kidding me?)))
                  Quote: astra
                  There are videos on the internet proving the participation of Ukrainians on the side of the Georgians, at least anti-aircraft gunners shot down our planes. Slavs of the Slavs (((
                  Quote: Kars
                  There is nothing there. And this is simple evidence of the absence of official notes from Russian foreign mines.
                  How do you know? Do you know everything presented from Min. Russian foreign notes of protest and statements?

                  But you did not present official NOTs, and you are trying to prove something.

                  Quote: astra
                  No Tajiks
                  But say illusions do not suffer.

                  Quote: astra
                  I do not quite understand what they wrote.
                  What is incomprehensible here - you confirm the longing for the Varangians (decrypt the Varangians? Not a cruiser)

                  Quote: astra
                  I can’t believe that you didn’t read such topics here with such a long history of finding and the number of comments.

                  I am not interested in this topic, and I commented there saying that such articles have no place in the VO (while not reading articles)
                  Quote: astra
                  When it seems to be baptized, where are my solid statements of knowledge, what are you making up?

                  Well, I'll quote easily
                  Quote: astra
                  and you can’t arrest them

                  )))
                16. astra
                  astra 27 September 2013 01: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  Are you kidding me?)))

                  Same as you)))
                  Quote: Kars
                  But you did not present official NOTs, and you are trying to prove something.

                  Why should I give evidence of the Foreign Ministry if the first ones mentioned the midi about the Foreign Ministry, I ask you where is the evidence of the statements of the Foreign Ministry?
                  Quote: Kars
                  But say illusions do not suffer.

                  Argument your accusations of illusions, or is it easier to evade the answer? What is not clear?
                  Quote: Kars
                  What is incomprehensible here - you confirm the longing for the Varangians (decrypt the Varangians? Not a cruiser)

                  Well, you don’t just have to mock about the Varangians, I can start too. The Varangians Ruriks, Ekaterina were foreign nationals, and Stalin was a citizen of the USSR in your opinion Stalin Varangian?))) What illusions prevent you from thinking?
                  Quote: Kars
                  I am not interested in this topic, and I commented there saying that such articles have no place in the VO (while not reading articles)

                  The horizons need to be expanded.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, I'll quote easily

                  So what? they pulled out a phrase and give it out for a firm statement. I, too, can protest any of your phrase for approval.
                  Quote: Kars
                  We won it from the Germans in 1943, as did Stalingrad, Minsk, and Leningrad

                  Is self-esteem not overstated by chance?)) Ukrainians alone could only conquer small towns)))
                17. Kars
                  Kars 27 September 2013 01: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Why should I give evidence of the Foreign Ministry if the first ones mentioned the midi about the Foreign Ministry, I ask you where is the evidence of the statements of the Foreign Ministry?

                  Are you really like that? I affirm that the Russian Foreign Ministry did not put forward a NOT))) about the participation of Ukrainians in the war in Georgia. And therefore, not bringing such notes is proof of my words. But you can refute me. If you can. physically not possible.
                  Quote: astra
                  Argument your accusations of illusions, or is it easier to evade the answer? What is not clear?

                  That you will not have Tajiks and Uzbeks, and you don’t even have to argue. Who will work for you? Especially in Moscow as janitors))
                  Quote: astra
                  Ruriks, Catherine were foreign nationals, and Steel was a citizen of the USSR in your opinion Stalin Varangian?))) What illusions prevent you from thinking?

                  And if the new Stalin - then he will be a Varangian. Since Georgia is a sovereign power--)))
                  Quote: astra
                  The horizons need to be expanded.

                  For this I can read something about aviation.
                  Quote: astra
                  So what? pulled out a phrase and give it out as a firm statement.

                  But what kind of context is it? Are you killing that in Ukraine they cannot arrest gays)) but you yourself don’t know whether this can be done in Russia or not)) so what is it?
                  Quote: astra
                  Is self-esteem not overstated by chance?)) Ukrainians alone could only conquer small towns)))
                  Well, why is it overpriced? Not alone, but together - but we will not demand 15% of Stalingrad.
                18. astra
                  astra 27 September 2013 02: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  I affirm that the RF Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not put forward a NOT))) regarding the participation of Ukrainians in the war in Georgia. And therefore, not bringing such notes is proof of my words. But you can refute me. If you can, it’s impossible to present something that was not physically possible.

                  Well, you give !!! didn’t you work by chance? How do you know that the Foreign Ministry put forward or did not put forward protest notes, you can only speculate, but you can’t know for sure. And the accuracy of knowledge is proved even by inserting a video of the Foreign Ministry’s protest statement, and if it didn’t exist, there wasn’t any .
                  Quote: Kars
                  That you will not have Tajiks and Uzbeks, and you don’t even have to argue. Who will work for you? Especially in Moscow as janitors))

                  Of course, there will be not only Tajiks, but also others, but in much smaller quantities than now. Just if the migrant workers didn’t take our citizens out of work, then the salary would not drop so much and citizens would continue to work if the number of illegal immigrants would be less for employers you want to have to raise salaries to attract your citizens. By the way, you also have them.
                  Quote: Kars
                  And if the new Stalin - then he will be a Varangian. Since Georgia is a sovereign power--)))

                  And in Russia, in addition to Russians, it is full of other nationalities, including Georgians. I.e. Russians
                  Quote: Kars
                  For this I can read something about aviation.

                  You cannot broaden your horizons with technical knowledge alone, otherwise it will turn out that you are special in technology and in politics and economics a layman.
                  Quote: Kars
                  But what kind of context is it? Are you killing that in Ukraine they cannot arrest gays)) but you yourself don’t know whether this can be done in Russia or not)) so what is it?

                  Am I going to do my phrases that you highlighted in the comments above for you? Reduce your time? take the trouble to find it yourself. But you, whoever kills me your problems with gays sideways = marry same-sex marriages to the health of those who interfere with you. And we ourselves will figure it out and arrest them judging by the TV news clips and gloriously.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, why is it overpriced? Not alone, but together - but we will not demand 15% of Stalingrad.

                  What do you contradict yourself if you conquered together means the conquered territories are not subject to division, as the army is one, the country is one. Then we should demand 15% of Kiev after all, it was conquered together because you think so.
                19. Kars
                  Kars 27 September 2013 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Well, you give !!! you didn’t work by chance?
                  NOTa Mida is public information. Just for the public.
                  )))) you again forced me to burst))
                  Russian Foreign Ministry sends a note to the Netherlands about Greenpeace

                  http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/19/arctic/
                  And you say specialists))
                  Quote: astra
                  Of course there will be not only Tajiks, but also others, but in much smaller quantities than now

                  Retreating?
                  Quote: astra
                  Do you want to have to raise salaries to attract your citizens

                  Of course))) or legalize the Tajik.
                  Quote: astra
                  And in Russia, in addition to Russians, it is full of other nationalities, including Georgians. I.e. Russians
                  And you didn’t intern them after the war))

                  Quote: astra
                  technician special in politics, economics profan.

                  It is impossible to know everything, and especially on topics that are not of interest to everyone.
                  Quote: astra
                  Am I going to do my phrases that you highlighted in the comments above for you?

                  Meaning? I have already copied a phrase about arrests several times.
                  Quote: astra
                  What do you contradict yourself if you conquered together means the conquered territories are not subject to division, as the army is one, the country is one
                  So one country was divided and what is incomprehensible here.
                  Quote: astra
                  .Then, we, too, should demand 15% of Kiev, after all, it was won back together, in your opinion.

                  Yes, that's why everything went off-set - we don’t demand a piece of Moscow, which you too used to, and you are from Kiev. The Ukrainians themselves built bam and magnet, mastered the north, and you got it, and we are Crimea.
                20. astra
                  astra 28 September 2013 00: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  NOTa Mida is public information. Just for the public.
                  )))) you again forced me to burst))

                  Find in my words what I say that mid notes have limitations? Again, write a gag, it's from your words you need to laugh
                  Quote: Kars
                  And you say specialists))

                  What does this have to do with our argument?
                  Quote: Kars
                  Retreating?

                  Clarify in more detail

                  Quote: Kars
                  Of course))) or legalize the Tajik.

                  We’ll provide for our work, not strangers
                  Quote: Kars
                  And you didn’t intern them after the war))

                  Why didn’t you intern yours?
                  Quote: Kars
                  It is impossible to know everything, and especially on topics that are not of interest to everyone.

                  Of course you can’t, but you can have a little idea.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Meaning? I have already copied a phrase about arrests several times.

                  And that I also quoted your phrases, what excites you?
                  Quote: Kars
                  So one country was divided and what is incomprehensible here.

                  Those who argue what they’ve divided, all the same, they did without a referendum without asking anyone.
                  Cunningly bent)) in your territory given for the work done? and the fact that the number of Ukrainians is several times less than the Russians you don’t take it into account? Russians won their territories with blood and you decided such things, you blew you and not our territories, you received Crimea for free and still have the audacity to creep into other territories, you can only dream
                21. Kars
                  Kars 28 September 2013 12: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  Find in my words that I say that mid notes have limitations?

                  Quote: astra
                  What does this have to do with our argument?

                  )))))) Well, do you imagine a note of the Foreign Ministry on the participation of Ukrainians in the war with Georgia? Or will you try Slits
                  Quote: astra
                  Well, you give !!! you didn’t work by chance? How do you know that the Foreign Ministry put forward or did not put forward protest notes

                  )))))
                  Quote: astra
                  We’ll provide for our work, not strangers

                  What Tajiks will draw up citizenship))
                  Quote: astra
                  Why didn’t you intern yours?

                  We didn’t seem to be at war with Georgia,
                  Quote: astra
                  Of course you can’t, but you can have a little idea.

                  Well, I have a small idea that suits me perfectly.
                  Quote: astra
                  And that I also quoted your phrases, what excites you?

                  me? except for your lack of understanding and plums? and those are not really.
                  Quote: astra
                  Those who argue what they’ve divided, all the same, they did without a referendum without asking anyone.

                  I didn’t see any particular demonstrations, but I saw them against the GKChP.
                  Quote: astra
                  Cunningly bent)) in your territory given for the work done? and the fact that the number of Ukrainians is several times less than the Russians do you not take this into account?

                  Where?
                  Quote: astra
                  The Russians won their territories with blood and you decided to get ready for it, I blew you and not our territories, we received Crimea for free and still have the audacity to creep into other territories, you can only dream

                  it’s not just with our blood that we received Crimea for nothing, excluding participation in the Second World War, we also betrayed the eastern regions to the RFSR. And by the way, where do I bury myself in other territories? And all the more I dream about them. I am quite happy with the current one.
                22. astra
                  astra 29 September 2013 01: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  )))))) Well, do you imagine a note of the Foreign Ministry on the participation of Ukrainians in the war with Georgia? Or will you try Slits

                  Just you merge: I wrote-
                  Quote: Kars
                  Quote: astra
                  There are videos on the internet proving the participation of Ukrainians on the side of the Georgians, at least anti-aircraft gunners shot down our planes. Slavs of the Slavs (((
                  I emphasize not a word that said the Russian Foreign Ministry protested about the participation of Ukrainian mercenaries in the Georgian side, I just pointed out that there are many videos
                  And here you write:
                  Quote: Kars
                  There is nothing there.And this is simple evidence of the absence of official notes from Russian foreign mines.
                  You yourself write that there are no statements by the Russian Foreign Ministry on participation.
                  The question is, who needs to show demand? from you, of course, if the first ones themselves affirmatively wrote in the absence of statements by the Foreign Ministry, I later asked you
                  Quote: astra
                  How do you know? Do you know everything presented from Min. Russian foreign notes of protest and statements?
                  I was the first to ask for evidence of knowledge that the Foreign Ministry stated or not. So you assigned my words to yourself and ask me and accuse me of plum, or is it too lazy to re-read your comments again?

                  Quote: Kars
                  What Tajiks will draw up citizenship))

                  Are you stupid? is it really hard to guess that its citizens are Russia, not foreigners.
                  Quote: Kars
                  We didn’t seem to be at war with Georgia,

                  where does the war come from? we have a multinational country and we are not going to intern.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, I have a small idea that suits me perfectly.

                  small concept loose.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I’m besides your lack of understanding and plums? and those are not really.

                  you write this incomprehensibly and merge, and the minuses that they put to you and numerous disputes on this thread are too much confirmation, even your countrymen did not agree with you and asked you not to speak for everyone.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I didn’t see any particular demonstrations, but I saw them against the GKChP.

                  Did you follow the situation in the country at the age of 9 and understand everything?)))

                  Quote: Kars
                  Where?

                  In statistics
                  Quote: Kars
                  it’s not just with our blood that we received Crimea for nothing, excluding participation in the Second World War, we also betrayed the eastern regions to the RFSR. And by the way, where do I bury myself in other territories? And all the more I dream about them. I am quite happy with the current one.

                  Soon it may not work.
                23. Kars
                  Kars 29 September 2013 14: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: astra
                  You yourself write that there are no statements by the Russian Foreign Ministry on participation.

                  This proves that there was nothing. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have to explain why the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation with clear evidence didn’t put a note when he put a note against the Greenpeace ship. But after that you wrote that in order to know if there was a note or not you have to be a special person))) )


                  Quote: astra
                  How do you know? In
                  Because they weren’t there, I know from there. But once again I’ll let you refute me)))

                  Quote: astra
                  you write this incomprehensibly and merge, and the minuses that they put to you and numerous disputes on this branch are unnecessary
                  I need proof of a minus on a site where most citizens of the Russian Federation, and even many suffering from neo-imperialism - I am surprised that there are so few of them))
                  So come up with more weighty evidence.

                  Quote: astra
                  Did you follow the situation in the country at the age of 9 and understand everything?)))

                  Yes, I remember when I was surprised by a taxi driver with a story about the meeting of Reagan and Gorbachev in Reykjavik. Mom still loves to retell it.
                  Quote: astra
                  In statistics

                  In statistics WHAT and WHERE?
                  Quote: astra
                  Soon it may not work.

                  All amuse yourself with the illusions?
  • Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 23: 18
    +1
    Quote: astra
    There is a profit from Belarus, albeit not as big as we get from you)

    Quote: astra
    .Kazakhstan would not join if it would be unprofitable.

    Of course of course.
    Quote: astra
    Why are you blaming the shooter?

    So you periodically and it is perfectly visible.
    Quote: Kars
    The Second World War is closer on the timeline, and the population of the Ukrainian SSR took an active part in it, therefore, for the whole of its current territory it paid in full with blood and sweat.

    Quote: astra
    losses? this does not happen

    What else to call it?

    Quote: astra
    Do not confuse in 2 the world was the USSR and not Ukraine, then there was no such state, all nations fought do not distinguish yourself
    The USSR was also there, and even I do not refuse from the fact that Ukraine was formed after the collapse of the USSR, and before it contributed its share, and therefore the Russian Federation does not owe anything.

    Quote: astra
    And the Russian troops conquered Crimea from the Ottomans.
    And so what? Before that, the Ottomans captured the Crimea from someone else now?
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 23: 48
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Of course of course.

    Конечно.
    Quote: Kars
    So you periodically and it is perfectly visible.

    Quote: Kars
    What else to call it?

    In that quote, when answering, the Internet did not completely send my words, but only separate words, so it’s such a clumsy place, the site hangs and it’s glitches. Regarding your question, I’ll answer again, I hope that all the words pass:
    Quote: Kars
    And how does this relate to the current situation? The Second World War is closer in timeline, and the population of the Ukrainian SSR took an active part in it, so for all its current territory it paid the full price of blood and sweat.

    There is no real without the past, for example, you cannot build a house without a foundation, and you need to judge by an earlier history on the timeline. Russia first conquered the Crimea from the Turks, hence our full right to consider it their territory, and the fact that the Soviet troops conquered Crimea from the Germans so here the merit not only of Ukrainians but also of many other peoples.
    Quote: Kars
    The USSR was also there, and even I do not refuse from the fact that Ukraine was formed after the collapse of the USSR, and before it contributed its share, and therefore the Russian Federation does not owe anything.

    Of course it should not because we do not dispute the formation of Ukraine, but do not agree on the Crimea.
    Quote: Kars
    And so what? Before that, the Ottomans captured the Crimea from someone else now?

    And the fact that the conqueror has the right to call the conquered territory his own, we conquered means ours, conquer something and your territory will be.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 September 2013 11: 40
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Of course

    it is visible from the available statistics.
    Quote: astra
    In that quote, when answering, the Internet did not completely send my words, but only individual words, therefore such clumsy, the site hangs and that’s glitches

    and believe me in this?
    Quote: astra
    There is no present without a past, for example, you cannot build a house without a foundation, and so, according to the timeline, you need to judge from an earlier history.

    Then why not the Greeks?
    Quote: astra
    Russia was the first to conquer the Crimea among the Turks, hence our full right to consider it their territory,

    This does not give you any right to consider anything. Otherwise, the Mongols can also consider Moscow as their territory.
    Quote: astra
    and the fact that the troops of the USSR conquered Crimea from the Germans, so here the merit not only of Ukrainians but also of many other peoples
    and the Byelorussians got their independent Belorussia, Russia got their own Russia, and so on. I will not claim to be Leningad on the defense of which my grandfather lost his health.

    Quote: astra
    Of course it should not because we do not dispute the formation of Ukraine, but do not agree on the Crimea.

    After that, should I disagree for the Kuban and Belgorod Oryol Oblasts?)) And in accordance with international treaties of the Russian Federation I agree on the Crimea.
    Quote: astra
    And the fact that the conqueror has the right to call the conquered territory his own, we conquered means ours, conquer something and your territory will be.

    Well, so we conquered it in the Second World War and then approved it during the division of the USSR. And the Republic of Ingushetia ended after the world war preview and rubbed the Romanovs))) And what did she conquer --- by the way, and Poland and Finland? What is the problem then?
  • astra
    astra 26 September 2013 01: 00
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    it is visible from the available statistics.

    Of course you can see, then we'll see your statistics from getting closer to
    EC
    Quote: Kars
    and believe me in this?

    Take my word for it, honestly.
    Quote: Kars
    Then why not the Greeks?

    And where is the evidence of the Crimean Greece? and then if so then the Ottomans, if I am not mistaken, took the Crimea from the Greeks, then we from the Ottomans.
    Quote: Kars
    This does not give you any right to consider anything. Otherwise, the Mongols can also consider Moscow as their territory.

    And I do not argue that the Mongols at one time ruined Russia, but in the end, now the Mongols are not the rulers of Russia, for whoever defeated the master.
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: astra
    and the fact that the troops of the USSR conquered Crimea from the Germans, so here the merit not only of Ukrainians but also of many other peoples
    and the Byelorussians got their independent Belorussia, Russia got their own Russia, and so on. I will not claim to be Leningad on the defense of which my grandfather lost his health.

    In your opinion, if all the peoples of the USSR who participated in the liberation of the USSR from the Nazis have the right to an independent state? !!! and then not only Ukraine, Belarus and other countries but also Tatarstan, Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. must have independent states? !! here you obviously gave a blunder. Since, in your opinion, then the Crimean Tatars have the right to have their own state of Crimea, what do you not give then? Then the soldiers didn’t even think that they would liberate future states from the USSR.
    Quote: Kars
    After that, should I disagree for the Kuban and Belgorod Oryol Oblasts?)) And in accordance with international treaties of the Russian Federation I agree on the Crimea.

    And I do not agree on the eastern regions, Crimea, etc. according to your any country can be cut into regions?
    As soon as you try to join NATO, Russia will immediately return Crimea to itself through an international court. In addition, there is a resolution of the Supreme Soviet of Russia of May 21, 1992, which recognizes the Khrushchev decree "having no legal force from the moment of its adoption." And this resolution was not canceled until And the Vienna Convention of 1969 - "On the Law of International Treaties" and it spelled out - that all international and federal treaties between countries and their individual subjects are allowed to be declared null and void - if they were concluded in violation of the norm of DOMESTIC LAW of particular importance !!! So that
    according to international law, Russia today has absolutely legal grounds for claiming the Crimea and Sevastopol in a completely legal manner!
  • astra
    astra 26 September 2013 01: 01
    +3
    Quote: Kars


    Well, so we conquered it in the Second World War and then approved it during the division of the USSR. And the Republic of Ingushetia ended after the world war preview and rubbed the Romanovs))) And what did she conquer --- by the way, and Poland and Finland? What is the problem then?

    It's like talking to a young man (if it's not a secret how old are you?)
    Not you - but we conquered, that is, all peoples, "do not pull the blanket over yourself" during the conquests and liberations there was one army - the USSR and not the joint army of a separate state of Ukraine, Belarus, etc. Is it really so difficult to understand? !!!
    About Poland and Finland, before the German attack on the USSR, Poland and Finland, before the Nazi attack, were already independent states, they were conquered by Germany, then they liberated the countries of Poland and Finland, they regained their former statehood. If Ukraine and the USSR were separate states then another thing after the war Ukraine gained its statehood. And it turned out that the USSR freed not only itself but also other states from the Nazis.
  • Kars
    Kars 26 September 2013 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: astra
    It's like talking to a young man (if it's not a secret how old are you?)

    31
    Quote: astra
    Not you - but we conquered that is, all the peoples, "do not pull the blanket over yourself

    )) You WE have long been gone. And I do not pull the blanket over myself, but only the part that is due.
    Quote: astra
    About Poland and Finland, before the German attack on the USSR

    ))))) he burst. As the Crimea, so you remember the king of peas, but as Poland and Finland are so independent states, and not the former parts of the Republic of Ingushetia))

    Quote: astra
    b.That if Ukraine and the USSR were

    They were not, but at the same time they became according to the constitution of the USSR, Ukraine was a republic.
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 00: 01
    +3
    And what didn’t they answer to my comment above? I didn’t get it all I had to split into 2 posts.
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: astra
    It's like talking to a young man (if it's not a secret how old are you?)

    31

    Thank you. I thought correctly.
    Quote: Kars
    )) You WE have long been gone. And I do not pull the blanket over myself, but only the part that is due.

    There are still war veterans and labor veterans, if not in the USSR, but in different states.
    Dreaming is not harmful)))
    Quote: Kars
    ))))) he burst. As the Crimea, so you remember the king of peas, but as Poland and Finland are so independent states, and not the former parts of the Republic of Ingushetia))

    Have you eaten? so I have to laugh at your words, because you write with such errors the meaning of the word is not clear))). Well, remember when Ukraine was formed? the state of Ukraine was before and before World War 2 and after the independent state of Ukraine there was nothing, so there was nothing to creep into the Crimea. Ukraine was restored as a state after the collapse of the USSR
    Quote: Kars
    They were not, but at the same time they became according to the constitution of the USSR, Ukraine was a republic.

    I myself know this, I say that if before the war Ukraine was a separate state not part of the USSR, then after the war it would, like Finland, Poland would continue to remain an independent state.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 September 2013 00: 16
    +1
    Quote: astra
    There are still war veterans and labor veterans

    And what remained?
    Quote: astra
    Dreaming is not harmful)))

    And what to dream is a fait accompli.
    Quote: astra
    Have you eaten?

    ABOUT RZHAL.a did not devour.
    Quote: astra
    Well, remember when Ukraine was formed? the state of Ukraine was earlier, and before the 2 of the World War and after the independent state of Ukraine, there was nothing to cry for Crimea. Ukraine was restored as a state after the collapse of the USSR

    You’re strange. After the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, Ukraine was there for some time, then it was forced to join the USSR as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
    As part of the USSR, Ukraine made a full contribution, received Crimea for which it transferred Belgorod and Orel regions to the Russian Federation, and following the collapse of the USSR, it received the current territory, which was legally confirmed and recognized by more than one hundred states.
    Quote: astra
    then I myself know, I say that if before the war Ukraine was a separate state not part of the USSR, then after the war it would, like Finland, Poland, would continue to remain an independent state.

    You are not really a funny person.
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 00: 49
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    And what remained?

    Did your grandfather stay?
    Quote: Kars
    And what to dream is a fait accompli.

    Which fact?
    Quote: Kars
    ABOUT RZHAL.a did not devour

    Then I neighing more correctly, but not about neighing. I also laughed at you
    Quote: Kars
    .After the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, Ukraine was there for some time, then it was forced to join the USSR as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
    Something I have not heard about this, your inventions? if not then lay out the facts, links.

    Quote: Kars
    As part of the USSR, Ukraine made a full contribution, received Crimea for which it transferred Belgorod and Orel regions to the Russian Federation, and following the collapse of the USSR, it received the current territory, which was legally confirmed and recognized by more than one hundred states.

    There is no need to come up with excuses; before Ukraine was accepted into Russia, Ukraine was even less within its borders than within its current borders, excluding Crimea.
    I can’t argue with the results of the countries of the former USSR, with the exception of Crimea. We will not grimace at our legal territories, they will be ours sooner or later.
    Quote: Kars
    You are not really a funny person.

    When there is nothing to answer, they resort to grins, personalities, rudeness, etc. other tricks. This also applies to you if you don’t answer.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 September 2013 01: 03
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Did your grandfather stay?

    No, he didn’t stay. He left one lung at the Senyavinsky heights. It is strange that I found him at all.
    Quote: astra
    Which fact?

    Ukraine and territory.
    Quote: astra
    Then it was more correct neighing, and not about neighing.

    I prefer the second option.
    Quote: astra
    Something I have not heard about this, your inventions? if not then lay out the facts, links.
    You did not hear about the UNR and ZUNR? About the first president Grushevskog? And the link - in Google the words Ukraine.

    Quote: astra
    There is no need to come up with excuses; before Ukraine was accepted into Russia, Ukraine was even less within its borders than within its current borders, excluding Crimea.

    And I paid for everything in full.
    Quote: astra
    We will not glance at our legal territories, they will be ours sooner or later.

    They are not your legal. Not more than Poland or Finland, well, or the port of Arthur
    Quote: astra
    When there is nothing to answer, they resort to grins,

    And what to answer your jokes?
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 01: 45
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    No, he didn’t stay. He left one lung at the Senyavinsky heights. It is strange that I found him at all.

    Your grandfather was unlucky, like mine, but this does not mean that they are gone as you ask:
    Quote: Kars
    And what remained?

    Quote: Kars
    Ukraine and territory.

    Forget about the territory beyond the borders of Ukraine, and Crimea may all of Ukraine will be in a single state in the future.
    Quote: Kars
    I prefer the second option.

    Of course it was necessary to take for granted that you are from Ukraine.
    Quote: Kars
    You did not hear about the UNR and ZUNR? About the first president Grushevskog? And the link - in Google the words Ukraine.

    No, I have not heard. on the internet, different articles and the views of journalists on the same topics remain to whom the reader chooses to believe. Okay, neither you nor I give links, but what we write is from your opinion.
    Quote: Kars
    And I paid for everything in full.

    You can think twice, I didn’t give money for joining the Republic of Ingushetia))) But now Ukraine is an independent state and can’t fully unite not only with Russia but also with the IMF, and when the USSR was in, the republic of Ukraine owed nothing to anyone, but the USSR paid debts, so it’s still a question of who has completely absorbed.
    Quote: Kars
    They are not your legal. Not more than Poland or Finland, well, or the port of Arthur

    Wow where Port Arthur brought you))) note, port Arthur was rented and not our territory. With Poland and Finland we parted lawfully, but I can’t agree with Alaska. And Crimea is our legal territory under the temporary authority of Ukraine, while there is no great need to return play for now)))
    Quote: Kars
    And what to answer your jokes?

    When it’s hard to answer, you comb them into the category of Hochma, the topic is not about armored vehicles, where you probably feel like a fish in water, here I can discuss with you endlessly, there’s time and now we’ll continue to make each other laugh
  • Kars
    Kars 27 September 2013 02: 11
    +1
    Quote: astra
    that they are gone as you ask:

    And? The question is valid. AND WHAT? Well, what remains is it changing?
    Quote: astra
    Forget about the territory beyond the borders of Ukraine, and Crimea may all of Ukraine will be in a single state in the future.

    In principle, I don’t pretend to be abroad. And Ukraine will remain a single state.
    Quote: astra
    Of course it was necessary to take for granted that you are from Ukraine.

    Vryatli here is a matter of residence.
    Quote: astra
    No, I have not heard.

    Why didn’t they go to school like this?
    Quote: astra
    You might think in two ways, I didn’t give money for entering RI, I’m joking

    but I'm not joking.
    Quote: astra
    But now Ukraine is an independent state and cannot fully replenish not only Russia but also the IMF,

    Why did you get this? We’re still paying, and Russia shouldn’t do anything special. With this, the great and mighty RF brings external borrowing.
    Quote: astra
    when the republic of Ukraine was in the USSR, Ukraine owed nothing to anyone, and the USSR paid its debts, so this is still a question of who has completely absorbed it.
    Yes, but Ukraine contributed its share to the USSR budget, from which the USSR paid its debts. So there are no questions.

    Quote: astra
    Wow where Port Arthur brought you))) note port Arthur was rented and not our territory. With Poland and Finland, they legally parted

    As for Port Arthur, everything was more complicated there, and it was strange to legally disperse with Poland and Finland, and you do not like the expense of Ukraine with anything.
    Quote: astra
    And Crimea is our legal territory under the temporary authority of Ukraine

    Crimea is not your territory, and is under the authority of Ukraine, and you only have to rent a base. And it does not stop you from raising the price.
    Quote: astra
    while there is no great need to regrow

    Well, yes, of course, as usual - the Russian Federation can, but so far does not.
    Quote: astra
    When it’s hard to answer, here you are combing them in the category of hoh

    Well, really, you’ll do this, you yourself probably don’t understand what to write.
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 02: 40
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    And? The question is valid. AND WHAT? Well, what remains is it changing?

    You asked a stupid question -
    Quote: astra
    Quote: Kars
    And what remained?
    Do you really doubt that the front-line soldiers still remained? Your grandfather remained the answer and the question remained, you said no, respectively, you received the answer that someone remained, and who died or died. Why should you ask such childish questions.

    Quote: Kars
    In principle, I don’t pretend to be abroad. And Ukraine will remain a single state.

    You know my position or our Crimea in the future or Ukraine as part of Russia, no one forbids hoping.
    Quote: Kars
    Vryatli here is a matter of residence.

    Of course people are different
    Quote: Kars
    Why didn’t they go to school like this?

    In Ukraine, history is probably taught differently, unlike ours, so that in different countries the history is written differently.
    Quote: Kars
    but I'm not joking.

    regret that Ukraine did not pay Russia for joining?)))

    Quote: Kars
    Why did you get this? We’re still paying, and Russia shouldn’t do anything special. With this, the great and mighty RF brings external borrowing.

    Yes, there’s a constant muttering on TV that Russia gave a loan to Ukraine since Ukraine has nothing to pay the loan taken from the IMF. The Ukrainian national debt is many times greater, and Russia has one of the lowest in the world. Will you argue?
    Quote: Kars
    Well, yes, of course, as usual - the Russian Federation can, but so far does not.

    Think correctly. For example, they wanted to and protected Syria from NATO, but if they didn’t want it, they would have bombed Syria like Lebanon, Iraq. And they put Georgia in its place. We’re in a hurry)))
    Quote: Kars
    Well, really, you’ll do this, you yourself probably don’t understand what to write.

    The same thing can be said about you, you learned to discuss excellently, you turn words around, get away from uncomfortable questions, etc. you have to answer in the same way. Notice that you initially unsubscribed by questions, continue to answer in brief phrases, but in most I answer in detail.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 September 2013 15: 30
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Do you doubt that the war veterans still remain?

    Are you trying to build a campaign that you don’t understand? I have no doubt that the veterans have remained, I ask what’s wrong with that?
    Quote: astra
    You know my position or our Crimea in the future or Ukraine as part of Russia, no one forbids hoping.
    Hope? Hope.

    Quote: astra
    In Ukraine, history is probably taught differently, unlike ours, so that in different countries the history is written differently.

    Strange clearly wrote that during the USSR they did not hide it.


    Quote: astra
    regret that Ukraine did not pay Russia for joining?)))

    Probably and so it happened))
    Quote: astra
    Yes, there’s a constant muttering on TV that Russia gave a loan to Ukraine since Ukraine has nothing to pay the loan taken from the IMF. The Ukrainian national debt is many times greater, and Russia has one of the lowest in the world. Will you argue?

    Why argue, take a look at the topic and understand yourself.
    Quote: astra
    Think correctly.

    ))) why not indulge in illusions, for the sake of laughter.
    Quote: astra
    they wanted to take an example and defended Syria from NATO
    Syria was defended by US citizens who, in social surveys, did not want a new Iraq, support for Obama’s incarnations at least about 50% would have bombed Syria in the Stone Age, and Russian floating scrap metal is only for Russian citizens.

    Quote: astra
    flip words away from uncomfortable questions

    Can I have a specific question?
    Quote: astra
    Note that at first you unsubscribed by questions, continue to answer in brief phrases, but in most I answer in detail

    Well, this shows that who is trying to hide the void behind the number of words.
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 23: 43
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Are you trying to build a campaign that you don’t understand? I have no doubt that the veterans have remained, I ask what’s wrong with that?

    It seemed to me that in your phrase, so what? he is neglected and now he defended the front-line soldiers.
    Quote: Kars
    Hope? Hope.

    We hope as we know in the near future.

    Quote: Kars
    Strange clearly wrote that during the USSR they did not hide it.

    What exactly did not hide?
    Quote: Kars
    Probably and so it happened))

    It turns out that it came down)))
    Quote: Kars
    Why argue, take a look at the topic and understand yourself.

    I understand and read the news
    Quote: Kars
    ))) why not indulge in illusions, for the sake of laughter.

    You say that you do not have illusions
    Quote: Kars
    Syria was defended by US citizens who, in social surveys, did not want a new Iraq, support for Obama’s incarnations at least about 50% would have bombed Syria in the Stone Age, and Russian floating scrap metal is only for Russian citizens.

    Envy?))) Judging by the written, I see what excited))
    You and someone like you say there is no scrap metal, if not for this scrap metal NATO would have been bombed in Syria a long time ago. And the fact that the American people influenced the decision not to bomb Syria, you are mistaken, when Vietnam amers bombed why the people did not listen, however, like many wars. Russia has allowed America to leave with dignity with its head held high such as if you destroy a chemical weapon we will not bomb it. I foresee a big argument that I’ll say in advance that you won’t convince me as I am.
    Quote: Kars
    Can I have a specific question?

    You imagine how much time you need to spend to find and cram your tricks.
    Quote: Kars
    Well, this shows that who is trying to hide the void behind the number of words.

    Emptiness is precisely in your short answers, since they can not always be understood.
  • Kars
    Kars 28 September 2013 12: 20
    +1
    Quote: astra
    he is neglected and now he has defended the front-line soldiers.

    Why? But they didn’t answer the question.
    Quote: astra
    We hope as we know in the near future.

    Who gave you such a false hope?
    Quote: astra
    What exactly did not hide?

    how Ukraine was annexed to the USSR.
    Quote: astra
    It turns out that it came down)))

    but even though protest movements were all the time. \

    Quote: astra
    I understand and read the news

    But for some reason, you show your ignorance of the topic. And the campaign is watching the Russian news.
    Quote: astra
    You say that you do not have illusions

    I do not eat, but assented to your illusions.

    Quote: astra
    Envy?))) Judging by the written, I see what excited))

    No, your self-conceit just smiles at me. I remember how Israel bombed Syria just when the Russian cruiser approached.
    Quote: astra
    You and someone like you say there is no scrap, if not for this scrap
    Well, for some reason, when the fleet was divided, Ukraine received too little (it is not clear why only the Black Sea Fleet was divided, we participated in the co-creation of all fleets), although I think Ukraine does not need cash.

    Quote: astra
    And the fact that the people of America influenced the decision not to bomb Syria, you are mistaken, when Vietnam amers bombed why the people did not listen, however, like many wars

    Your naivety is fully visible. You are too old to be aware of the changing world. You think in terms of the past century.
    Quote: astra
    .A Russia gave America a worthy idea to leave with its head held high, such as if you destroy a chemical weapon, we will not bomb it.
    As soon as chemical weapons are destroyed, Syria will remain completely defenseless, and it is not a fact that everyone will not replay.

    Quote: astra
    You imagine how much time you need to spend to find and cram your tricks

    I SPECIFICALLY asked - ONE question, not all. You either do not know how to read, or are trying to dodge.
    Quote: astra
    Emptiness is precisely in your short answers, since they can not always be understood.

    Well, what is difficult for you to understand is quite understandable.
  • astra
    astra 29 September 2013 01: 03
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Why? But they didn’t answer the question.

    I answered you the post above, if you do not understand is not to blame.
    Quote: Kars
    Who gave you such a false hope?

    And who gave you false unbelief?
    Quote: Kars
    how Ukraine was annexed to the USSR.

    Quote: Kars
    how Ukraine was annexed to the USSR.

    according to history. 1922 - December 30, the RSFSR together with Ukraine (USSR), Belarus (BSSR) and the Federation of Transcaucasian Regions (ZSFSR) formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) .... 1939 - In accordance with the agreement with Germany, to the USSR annexed Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, previously captured by Poland during the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921.
    Pereyaslavskaya Rada - a meeting of representatives of the Ukrainian people led by Bohdan Khmelnitsky, which decided to join Ukraine to Russia. It was held on January 18 (January 8 according to the old style) in 1654 in the city of Pereyaslavl (today Pereyaslav-Khmelnitsky).

    Ukrainian lands in the first half of the XVII century were part of Poland, Hungary, the Ottoman Empire and Russia. Most of Ukraine - from the Carpathians to Poltava and from Chernigov to Kamenetz-Podolsk - remained under Polish rule. The struggle of the Ukrainian people against the power of the Polish gentry in 1648–1654 resulted in a real war led by the hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky.

    During this period, the Hetman’s government maintained diplomatic relations and entered into military-political alliances with many states - the Crimean Khanate, Turkey, the Moscow State, Moldova, etc. At the same time, Ukraine not only experienced administrative and religious oppression from Poland, but was also subjected to the expansion of the Crimean Khanate, which was formally considered an ally of Ukraine.

    By the end of the sixth year of this war, as a result of continuous battles with Polish troops and treacherous raids of the Crimean Tatars, entire regions of Ukraine were devastated. The constant betrayals of the Crimean Khanate, the insecurity of other allies pushed the hetman to maintain close contacts with Moscow, which was interested in increasing influence on Ukraine. Bogdan Khmelnitsky several times turned to the Russian sovereign Alexei Mikhailovich with a request to accept the Zaporizhzhya Army into Russian citizenship. The division into the eastern and western was because Nikita Khrushchev at one time, when the USSR was, had attached part of the native Russian lands to the ethnic Russian population to Ukraine. Of course, he did not think then that the USSR would collapse.
    But Ukraine withdrew from the USSR IN TROE more than it was before it!
    And before that, Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire.

    And now the Ukrainians are frantically looking for their "selflessness" by throwing mud at Russia. Not the most far-sighted path.
    That is why now so often questions arise "voluntarily - not voluntarily"
  • Kars
    Kars 29 September 2013 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: astra
    I answered you the post above, if you do not understand is not to blame.

    Did not answer.
    Quote: astra
    And who gave you false unbelief?

    I have no false no faith. Because no prerequisites can be seen in confirming your illusions.
    Quote: astra
    according to history. 1922 - December 30, the RSFSR together with Ukraine (USSR), Belarus
    Strange, where are the years from 1918 to 1922?

    Quote: astra
    o Ukraine withdrew from the USSR IN TROE more than it was before it!

    What do you want? You have to pay for everything.
    Quote: astra
    And now the Ukrainians are frantically looking for their "selflessness" by throwing mud at Russia

    Why pour a shower? Find where I said the truth about Russia? And the truth is sometimes dirty.
    Quote: astra
    That is why now so often questions arise "voluntarily - not voluntarily"

    Who does such neo-imperialists have these questions from?
  • astra
    astra 30 September 2013 00: 40
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Did not answer.

    Answered.
    Quote: Kars
    I have no false no faith. Because no prerequisites can be seen in confirming your illusions.

    is, you just don’t notice, but from the side you know better) and you got lost in your illusions so that you give out your illusions for mine.
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: astra
    according to history. 1922 - December 30, the RSFSR together with Ukraine (USSR), Belarus
    Strange, where are the years from 1918 to 1922?

    Quote: astra
    o Ukraine withdrew from the USSR IN TROE more than it was before it!

    What do you want? You have to pay for everything.

    Sadly yes))) I foresaw how much you do not feed and give you the territory you all will be few.
    Quote: Kars
    Why pour a shower? Find where I said the truth about Russia? And the truth is sometimes dirty.

    But what do you imagine yourself to be true? You pass off a lie as the truth. The diagnosis is clear, Poland, Ukraine is constantly attacking Russia, and all because Russia is a superpower, and you are simple countries.
    Quote: Kars
    Who does such neo-imperialists have these questions from?

    And your business oligarchs speak for the people, not taking into account the opinion of the people.
  • Kars
    Kars 30 September 2013 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Answered.

    Can you answer the answer to my specific question
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: astra
    There are still war veterans and labor veterans
    And what remained?


    Quote: astra
    is, you just don’t notice, but from the side you know better)
    This is more visible to me from the outside))

    Quote: astra
    Sad yes))) p

    Why hurt? Joining the vet was not voluntary but with bayonets.
    Quote: astra
    Territory, everything will be not enough for you.
    So they wrote as if Ukrainians were sitting on a speech while the Russians fed us and gave them territories))

    Quote: astra
    And what do you imagine yourself to be truthful? You pass off a lie as truth
    Have you proved it?

    Quote: astra
    and all because Russia is a superpower, and you are simple countries.

    Is it your inferiority complex like this?
    Well, at least they recognized that Ukraine is a country, and not the Russian province)))
    Quote: astra
    And your business oligarchs speak for the people, not taking into account the opinion of the people.

    Well, like Putin and Medved are considered to be a Norod. Can there still be no aligarchs in the Russian Federation? And after the third term, Pu, you already have no right to choose, there’s nothing to say about freedom of speech and assembly.
  • astra
    astra 14 October 2013 01: 21
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Can you answer the answer to my specific question

    Which one? Or should I look for you?)))
    Quote: Kars
    This is more visible to me from the outside))

    Well, we are neighbors and we will always see from the side that you do not see.
    Quote: Kars
    Why hurt? Joining the vet was not voluntary but with bayonets.

    No, you asked for it yourself. Hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky turned to the Russian Tsar, Alexei Mikhailovich, with a request to accept Ukraine as part of Russia http://istoriarusi.ru/car/prisoedinenie_ukraini_k_rossii.html
    Quote: Kars
    So they wrote as if Ukrainians were sitting on a speech while the Russians fed us and gave them territories))

    If you hadn’t asked for a part of Russia, you would now be part of Poland
    Quote: Kars
    Have you proved it?

    There is no need for evidence.
    Quote: Kars
    Is it your inferiority complex like this?
    Well, at least they recognized that Ukraine is a country, and not the Russian province)))

    No, you just have zapadentsev Poles and the Baltic states toad presses that the territory you have is small from this just you inferiority complex))) and the province will not go anywhere)))

    Quote: Kars
    Well, like Putin and Medved are considered to be a Norod. Can there still be no aligarchs in the Russian Federation? And after the third term, Pu, you already have no right to choose, there’s nothing to say about freedom of speech and assembly.

    And I look at you the idylls of democracy in parliament endlessly fighting shame on the whole world, Yanukovych fearing competition in the elections put Yulia T. and your oligarchs are direct saints)) do not tell)))
  • astra
    astra 29 September 2013 01: 04
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    but even though there were protest movements all the time.

    Who?
    Quote: Kars
    But for some reason, you show your ignorance of the topic. And the campaign is watching the Russian news.

    The people here voted which of us knows and who does not know. What I’m watching does not concern you, I don’t ask what news you are watching.
    Quote: Kars
    I do not eat, but assented to your illusions.

    You assented to your illusions thinking that you assented to mine for you have long been lost in illusions) AU did not get lost?)))
    Quote: Kars
    No, your self-conceit just smiles at me. I remember how Israel bombed Syria just when the Russian cruiser approached.

    And your conceit smiles at me if you call our fleet rusty, yours is standing next to the wall for some year and the Ukraine cruiser can’t finish building))) Here's another news after you: http: //warfiles.ru/show-39618-irak-okonchatelno -otkazalsya-ot-ukrainski
    h-bronetransporterov.html And I remember how the USSR did not allow Israel to conquer Egypt and withdraw troops to its territory threatening to send troops, and President Izrail flew to Moscow to ask us not to put the S-300 to the Syrians.
    Quote: Kars
    Well, for some reason, when the fleet was divided, Ukraine received too little (it is not clear why only the Black Sea Fleet was divided, we participated in the co-creation of all fleets), although I think Ukraine does not need cash.

    Yes, you can’t even contain what you got from the USSR, but want more)))
    Quote: Kars
    Your naivety is fully visible. You are too old to be aware of the changing world. You think in terms of the past century.

    What can not argue?)) And move away, that is, how do you say merge?
    Quote: Kars
    As soon as chemical weapons are destroyed, Syria will remain completely defenseless, and it is not a fact that everyone will not replay.

    Here I agree with you in many respects. Perhaps this respite is used to strengthen arms deliveries from Russia and it will not be defenseless.
    Quote: Kars
    I SPECIFICALLY asked - ONE question, not all. You either do not know how to read, or are trying to dodge.

    What exactly do you want to learn from me?
    Quote: Kars
    Well, what is difficult for you to understand is quite understandable.

    If I write how you are in your style, you will constantly ask again, your self-esteem is just off scale.
  • Kars
    Kars 29 September 2013 14: 45
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Who?

    Ukrainians
    Quote: astra
    The people here voted which of us knows and who does not know

    people here is not an indicator)) Here you can vote for any student. And then I’ll start to tell that I am a marshal, smarter than anyone about a one-star general)))
    Quote: astra
    What I’m watching does not concern you, but I don’t ask what news you are watching.
    It may not concern, but it can be seen from afar.

    Quote: astra
    And your self-conceit smiles at me if you call our fleet rusty, yours is standing next to the wall for some year and the Ukraine cruiser cannot finish building)))

    Well, your fleet for the country with the largest area is real. And as for TKR Ukraine, it was high time to dismantle and sell it.
    Quote: astra
    , Israil’s president also flew to Moscow to beg that we hadn’t delivered the S-300 to the Syrians.

    Of course, I stood on my knees. With this, the supply of S-300 would only spoil the reputation of the Russian Federation when the Jews would bomb it at unloading.
    Quote: astra
    and you can’t even contain what you got from the USSR, but want more)))

    And it doesn’t matter whether we can contain it or not, but with a honest section we would have the right.
    Quote: astra
    arms from Russia and it will not be defenseless.

    Of course. Send S-300
    Quote: astra
    What exactly do you want to learn from me?

    confirmation of your words
    Quote: astra
    get away from uncomfortable questions

    Quote: astra
    If I write like you in your style you

    Can you?
  • astra
    astra 30 September 2013 00: 40
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    Ukrainians

    No wonder.
    Quote: Kars
    people here is not an indicator)) Here you can vote for any student. And then I’ll start to tell that I am a marshal, smarter than anyone about a one-star general)))

    Indicator. By voting, he gives preference or disagreement. With a long patience, you can reach the marshal, by the way the popularity of your comments is approximately 12.82 points, divide the number of points by the number of messages, get the rating of your comments, it turns out you take more comments, maybe for due to long communication with you, I will soon receive the second star, although the titles interest me a little.
    Quote: Kars
    It may not concern, but it can be seen from afar.

    And I also see a lot.
    Quote: Kars
    - It was high time for it to be dismantled and sold.

    We had to sell to us.
    Quote: Kars
    Of course, I stood on my knees. With this, the supply of S-300 would only spoil the reputation of the Russian Federation when the Jews would bomb it at unloading.

    Contradict yourself, if only he were 100% sure that he would destroy the S-300 during unloading, then he would not beg the GDP to supply the S-300.
    Quote: Kars
    And it doesn’t matter whether we can contain it or not, but with a honest section we would have the right.

    Then why didn’t they take part of the USSR debts upon themselves?
    Quote: Kars
    Of course. Send S-300

    S-300 supplies cannot be solved; a set of measures is needed to defend Syria.
    Quote: Kars
    confirmation of your words

    Which ones?
    Quote: Kars
    Can you?

    Have you not noticed? I’m already writing some comments in your style.
  • Kars
    Kars 30 September 2013 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: astra
    No wonder.

    It’s good that you don’t argue with that.
    Quote: astra
    Indicator. By voting, he gives preference or disagreement. With a long patience, you can reach the Marshal, by the way the popularity of your comments is approximately 12.82

    It’s not an indicator at all. And for a person with my opinion on Ukrainian-Russian relations 12 this is a lot that colleagues usually go with skulls after a couple of days of commenting. And by the way, I was subjected to a truncation of the rating from the administration several times.
    Quote: astra
    And I also see a lot.

    So prove at least something that you see? Otherwise you may have hallucinations.
    Quote: astra
    We had to sell to us.
    You are too greedy, you know that Ukraine cannot sell the cruiser to third countries without the consent of the Russian Federation and you want it for nothing. And our too naive riffraff dragged on.

    Quote: astra
    then it would not beg the GDP to supply the S-300.

    And he begged? And the destruction of the complex in which he is 100% sure would also have worsened relations between Israel and the Russian Federation by a hundred percent. Do they need it? Here, the PU managed to save face, especially after throwing the Assad that the S-300 already exists in Syria.
    Quote: astra
    Then why didn’t they take part of the USSR debts upon themselves?

    And what was the garbage section? Also, Ukraine did not receive part of the USSR’s foreign property, did not receive the right to debts to the USSR before third countries, did not receive part of the USSR’s gold and diamond reserves.
    Quote: astra
    Which ones?


    Quote: astra
    Quote: Kars
    I SPECIFICALLY asked - ONE question, not all. You either do not know how to read, or are trying to dodge.
    What exactly do you want to learn from me?

    About the question -BREWING one from which I dodged to answer. But here you are, for example, BOUND from evidence of the participation of Ukrainians in the war 08.08. and actions in this regard by the official bodies of the Russian Federation.
    Quote: astra
    Have you not noticed? I’m already writing some comments in your style.

    Not really.
  • astra
    astra 14 October 2013 01: 03
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    It’s good that you don’t argue with that.

    In Sevastopol there were protests against the entry of NATO ships, no one argues with this.
    Quote: Kars
    It’s not an indicator at all. And for a person with my opinion on Ukrainian-Russian relations 12 this is a lot that colleagues usually go with skulls after a couple of days of commenting. And by the way, I was subjected to a truncation of the rating from the administration several times.

    Of course, yes, you live here directly and take a number of comments. It is hard to believe about truncation. Probably you have a big black list?
    Quote: Kars
    prove at least something that you see? otherwise you may have hallucinations.

    Why should I prove to you? take the trouble to refute my arguments. And what do you have a lot of experience in hallucinations seems to be?

    Quote: Kars
    You are too greedy, you know that Ukraine cannot sell the cruiser to third countries without the consent of the Russian Federation and you want it for nothing. And our too naive riffraff dragged on.

    Can you greedy pick up the price?
    Quote: Kars
    ? And the destruction of the complex in which he is 100% sure would also completely worsen relations between Israel and the Russian Federation. And do they need it? Here, the PU managed to save face, especially after throwing the Assad that the S-300 is already in Syria.

    But the GDP does not need to be taken care of how Israel reacts to the supply of S-300 since the S-300 is a defensive weapon, but Israel delivered weapons to Georgia and did not blush that they will lose face in front of Russia.
    Quote: Kars
    And what was the garbage section? Also, Ukraine did not receive part of the USSR’s foreign property, did not receive the right to debts to the USSR before third countries, did not receive part of the USSR’s gold and diamond reserves.

    And what not? Who prevented Ukraine from taking the USSR debts with Russia and equally sharing foreign property and so on?
    Quote: Kars
    About the question -BREWING one from which I dodged to answer. But here you are, for example, BOUND from evidence of the participation of Ukrainians in the war 08.08. and actions in this regard by the official bodies of the Russian Federation.

    I do not dodge at all, read your own admit- http://compromat.ua/en/16/79047/index.html
    and more: http: //opinionblog.ru/kak-gruzinyi-na-voyne-ispolzovali-ukraintsev/ Here is the video
    Quote: Kars
    Not really.

    Bad reading.
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 8 November 2013 14: 29
    0
    On the grounds that the Russians conquered Crimea, and the rest of the nations were always smaller in percentage terms than the Russians and, let’s say, they circled in the orbit of Russian interests. Therefore, all the acquisitions of Russia are always Russian acquisitions.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 24 September 2013 00: 57
    -2
    Quote: astra
    In this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territory. We have the right not to conquer the Crimea from the Ottomans.

    Do not announce) Violation of a bunch of international treaties unilaterally and an encroachment on the territorial integrity of a sovereign state (Russia recognized by Russia and by some other agreements Russia is one of the guarantors of ensuring this integrity) will lower Russia in international relations below the baseboard and make the country an outcast like the DPRK
    1. astra
      astra 24 September 2013 01: 14
      +7
      Quote: Corneli
      Do not announce) Violation of a bunch of international treaties unilaterally and an encroachment on the territorial integrity of a sovereign state (Russia recognized by Russia and by some other agreements Russia is one of the guarantors of ensuring this integrity) will lower Russia in international relations below the baseboard and make the country an outcast like the DPRK

      Everything is possible ... When Georgia was forced to peace and Abkhazia and South Ossetia were recognized as independent states, now they are actually the republics of Russia - why didn’t they drag us through the courts? So they were indignant and quiet. I think that if Ukraine tries to expel the Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea or join NATO, then the fate of Georgia will be repeated. But I would not really like that, and I think the Crimeans themselves will not allow this, there are a lot of pro-Russian people.
      I hope that it won’t come to this because I think that sooner or later Russia and Ukraine and other countries will unite.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 September 2013 01: 31
        +3
        Quote: astra
        Everything is possible ... When Georgia was forced to peace and Abkhazia and South Ossetia were recognized as independent states, now they are actually the republics of Russia - why didn’t they drag us through the courts? So they were indignant and quiet.

        PPC comparison is simple belay The de facto Georgians did not own the territory of South Ossetia and this was a well-known fact. For 15 years there was a sluggish war (where did the Russian peacekeepers, for example, come from?). And the fact that Russia forced peace was a kind of peacekeeping operation; in fact, South Ossetia was an independent state.
        Now imagine Crimea, which in terms of territory and population is like the floor of Georgia. Are there Russian peacekeepers there? Russian citizens (not including Sevastopol) with dual citizenship? Crimea is at war with Ukraine for some time or demands independence? What is a legitimate reason to invade, besides fantasies?
        In addition, Ukraine is slightly larger and stronger than Georgia, and it is not reasonable to attack it (including in connection with the further, general development of events)
        P.S. No one will be dragging Russia through the courts, in fact, the development of events, with my inadequate invasion of Ukraine, is poorly predictable, since I can not imagine what disease I need to get sick to do this.
        1. astra
          astra 24 September 2013 09: 26
          +3
          Quote: Corneli
          Now imagine Crimea, which in terms of territory and population is like the floor of Georgia. Are there Russian peacekeepers there? Russian citizens (not including Sevastopol) with dual citizenship? Crimea is at war with Ukraine for some time or demands independence? What is a legitimate reason for the invasion, besides fantasies? In addition, Ukraine is somewhat larger and stronger than Georgia, and it is not reasonable to attack it (including in connection with the further, general development of events) P.S. No one will be dragging Russia through the courts, in fact, the development of events, with my inadequate invasion of Ukraine, is poorly predictable, since I can not imagine what disease I need to get sick to do this.

          If you imagine that Crimea is fighting with Ukraine for secession from Ukraine and joining Russia, do you really think that Russia will just see how they destroy the citizens of Crimea and Russians because there are many Russians in Crimea and then increasing the number of Russians is not a problem - you can give then the passports of Russia to the citizens of Crimea and Ukraine, then the war will actually be against the Russians, and Russia will not abandon its people and they will enter into coercion to peace. Or military or by supplying arms. Yes, Ukraine does not agree Georgia, but a small part of the Russian army was involved in the Georgian conflict, since the whole or most of the army does not make sense. And against a large enemy, accordingly, large forces, in terms of number and novelty of weapons, the Ukrainian army cannot compete with the Russian one, so the outcome will be in our favor, but with big losses.
          All these are dangerous fantasies, I don’t even want to imagine. I am against the war with Ukraine since I consider it fratricide and the leadership of Russia and Ukraine will not allow a conflict.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 24 September 2013 11: 25
            -1
            Quote: astra
            if you imagine that Crimea is fighting with Ukraine for secession from Ukraine and joining Russia, do you really think that Russia will just see how the citizens of Crimea and Russians are killed because there are many Russians in Crimea and then increasing the number of Russians is not a problem - you can give then the passports of Russia to the citizens of Crimea and Ukraine, then the war will actually be against the Russians, but Russia will not abandon its own people and will come in, forcing peace. Or military or arms.

            In order to arrange in Crimea such as in South Ossetia or Abkhazia (which generally lived for 10 years with their own armies and government), it is necessary to try. So the question would be "watch" Russia at the destruction of its citizens ... It is not the topic of this question. Since the Ossetian scenario in Crimea is not even close. As for passports, dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukraine, i.e. if a Ukrainian has a passport of a citizen of Russia, he is automatically either a criminal (if he starts calling for disconnection, for example) or a person of a foreign state (just a chumadan in his hands and deported to Russia), the same applies to Romanians and Poles with their claims. And in the Crimea, they tried to do separatism ... nothing happened then. A person with a Russian passport, in addition, does not have the right to participate in referendums or votes, since he is not a citizen of Ukraine (and does not have voting rights on the territory of this country)
            In general, it is legal to do such a thing (secession of Crimea) in the near future, unless something very VERY changing the situation occurs (a serious war, the complete collapse of the economy and power with riots in the country)
          2. astra
            astra 24 September 2013 13: 11
            +3
            Quote: Corneli
            In order to arrange in Crimea such as in South Ossetia or Abkhazia (which, in general, lived for 10 years with their own armies and government), it is necessary to try. So the question would be "watch" Russia at the destruction of its citizens ... It is not the topic of this question. Since the Ossetian scenario in Crimea is not even close.

            Russia will not act by military means, in extreme cases, if there is a civil war between the Easterners and the Westerners, Russia will help; no doubt, Russia will not tolerate massacres.
            And do not think that the whole population will stand against Russia, at least half of the population wants to be part of Russia, if in less than 2-3 years, when you are in the EU association, the number of Russian supporters will increase. And so it seems to me that there will be a referendum on the separation of the eastern part of Ukraine from Russia if the west of Ukraine decides not to recognize the results of the referendum, then I just think a civil war is possible, where Russia will just help the East, in the worst case, send troops and Russia will not be opposed by 40 miles and half.
            Quote: Corneli
            As for passports, dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukraine, i.e. if the Ukrainian has a passport of a citizen of Russia, he will automatically either be a criminal (if he begins to call for disconnection, for example) or a person of a foreign state (he’s been a little crazy and deported to Russia), the same applies to Romanians and Poles with their claims. And in Crimea, separatism has already been tried to be done ... nothing happened then. A person with a Russian passport, in addition, does not have the right to participate in referenda or votes, since he is not a citizen of Ukraine (and does not have voting rights in the territory of this country)

            If there is a referendum and the eastern part of Ukraine is requested to be part of Russia, then Russia will accept the offer and issue Russian passports.
            Quote: Corneli
            In general, it is legal to do such a thing (secession of Crimea) in the near future, unless something very VERY changing the situation occurs (a serious war, the complete collapse of the economy and power with riots in the country)

            The measures listed above are also unlikely to me. We will wait when the people of Ukraine live in the EU and find out where it is better with the EU or with Russia, and if it decides with Russia in the CU or even better as part of Russia it will be great. It seems to me that it makes sense to conquer countries no, because it’s better to try to involve Russia in joining the economy through economic measures. Just imagine for a moment that life in Russia has become much better, salaries at 100000–200000 rubles, pensions of 40000–50000, unless the people of Ukraine want to join Russia and receive such Well then, the Russian Empire will revive within the borders of tsarist Russia and I want to hope that the word Russian will mean all nationalities as in tsarist times.
  • Hort
    Hort 24 September 2013 09: 30
    +1
    from the point of view of international law, Khrushchev’s gift and the 97-year contract signed by Yeltsin (in the Crimea) have no legal force. If desired, they can be challenged and denounced through the same UN
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 11: 28
      -1
      Quote: hort
      from the point of view of international law, Khrushchev’s gift and the 97-year contract signed by Yeltsin (in the Crimea) have no legal force. If desired, they can be challenged and denounced through the same UN

      Friendship and Cooperation Agreement 97 years - has no legal force? belay And in more detail, why is it possible?
      1. Hort
        Hort 24 September 2013 12: 41
        0
        Yes, if only because before deciding on the transfer of settlements / regions (territories), a referendum is held among citizens living in the transferred region / city. What has not been done.
  • gyl
    gyl 27 September 2013 01: 43
    0
    I repeat, Crimea is not ownerless and post-Soviet; it is privatized and already Donetsk, and this is another reality.
  • imrek_ua
    imrek_ua 23 September 2013 21: 27
    +3
    Excuse me, but on whose behalf do you promise: "We are that, we are ..." Who gave you such serious powers?
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 22: 06
      +1
      Quote: imrek_ua
      Excuse me, but on whose behalf do you promise: "We are that, we are ..." Who gave you such serious powers?

      And who endowed here many other respondents, and the author of the article, with any powers whatsoever to write comments and articles?
      Quote: astra
      In this case, we declare Crimea the Russian territory

      Will you ask Astra about the powers? Or do you doubt them?
      1. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 23 September 2013 23: 53
        +3
        Articles and comments containing opinions and assessments are one thing, and your unsubstantiated threats of sanctions are another. And I asked you, because your "We" sounds from the Ukrainians, that is, from me too. And I do not agree with you in any way.
      2. astra
        astra 24 September 2013 00: 03
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        Will you ask Astra about the powers? Or do you doubt them?

        What are you not telling me directly, but complaining to others, since they started the discussion so continue. Decrease your authority.
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 September 2013 00: 07
          +1
          Quote: astra
          but complaining dr

          Am I complaining? I translate arrows))))
          Quote: imrek_ua
          and your unsubstantiated threats of sanctions are another

          But why is it completely different? Exactly the same.
          Quote: imrek_ua
          Well, I don’t agree with you at all.

          Do you agree with Russia and its trade wars? And what Ukraine needs to patiently endure?
          Quote: astra
          .Reduce your authority.

          and I won’t think about it.
          1. astra
            astra 24 September 2013 00: 17
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            Am I complaining? I translate arrows))))

            Here is your quote and comment in imrek_ua's answer:
            Quote: Kars
            Quote: astraIn this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territoryAster will ask about the authority? Or you do not doubt them?

            Quote: Kars
            and I won’t think

            Mutually.
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 12: 11
              +1
              Quote: astra
              Here is your quote and comment in imrek_ua's answer:

              And she argues that I'm complaining? Where? The phrase only shows the application of double standards by the Imer.
            2. imrek_ua
              imrek_ua 24 September 2013 12: 59
              +1
              What is the double standard? I pointed out to you that I do not agree with the threats that you express on behalf of Ukraine, since he is a Ukrainian himself. In simple terms: "Speak only for yourself, and the rest will speak for themselves."
            3. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 13: 04
              +1
              Quote: imrek_ua
              What is the double standard?

              how is it that you see that you do not agree with my threats, and you apparently agree with threats, not even threats about the actions of the Russian Federation?
            4. imrek_ua
              imrek_ua 24 September 2013 14: 09
              +1
              Again. You say "WE". I say: “Don't be“ WE. ”Speak in your own name. And I explained why.
            5. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 15: 45
              +1
              Quote: imrek_ua
              Again. You say "WE". I say: “Don't be“ WE. ”Speak in your own name. And I explained why.

              I personally see how you go away from the question.
              Quote: Kars
              with threats, not even threats about the actions of the Russian Federation, you apparently agree?

              Quote: Kars
              Do you agree with Russia and its trade wars? And what Ukraine needs to patiently endure?
            6. imrek_ua
              imrek_ua 24 September 2013 20: 52
              +1
              It is with your questions that you are trying to bring the dialogue into the plane you want.
            7. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 21: 27
              +1
              Quote: imrek_ua
              It is with your questions that you are trying to bring the dialogue into the plane you want.

              Strange all the same did not answer.
              Quote: Kars
              Do you agree with Russia and its trade wars? And what Ukraine needs to patiently endure?

              but the question is not very complicated.
            8. imrek_ua
              imrek_ua 24 September 2013 22: 15
              +1
              It's not a question. This is a provocation :)
            9. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 22: 25
              +1
              Quote: imrek_ua
              It's not a question. This is a provocation :)

              And you thought it would be easy? ”I jumped out — I don’t agree, don’t speak for me — but you can’t say anything for yourself, or you’re afraid.
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 13: 45
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    And she argues that I'm complaining? Where? The phrase only shows the application of double standards by the Imer.

    The post above. Mentioned me about the authority.
  • Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 15: 46
    +1
    Quote: astra
    The post above. Mentioned me about the authority.

    So this was an example for double standards.
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 21: 06
    +3
    What exactly are double standards?
  • Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 21: 24
    +1
    Quote: astra
    What exactly are double standards?

    That the question from the Imeriak was asked only to me.
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 22: 01
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    That the question from the Imeriak was asked only to me.

    But the imperiyak answered me, too, since my quote was quoted as follows:
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: astraIn this case, we will declare Crimea the Russian territoryAster will ask about the authority? Or you do not doubt them?

    What do you think should have been silent once I was hurt?
  • Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 22: 14
    +1
    Quote: astra
    What do you think should have been silent once I was hurt?

    Are you hurt by the mention?
    Quote: astra
    But the imperiyak answered me, too, since my quote was quoted as follows:

    But I didn’t answer you. If I try to Pushkin it and I will answer him?
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 23: 24
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Are you hurt by the mention?

    I don’t know what to expect from you, any of your references and comments addressed to me are unfriendly. About 2 weeks ago, talking to you on armored vehicles there the conversation was of a different nature.
    Quote: Kars
    But I didn’t answer you. If I try to Pushkin it and I will answer him?

    Pushkin doesn’t write here, you wouldn’t pass by if you would bring your quote to another opponent
  • Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 23: 32
    +1
    Quote: astra
    I don’t know what to expect from you

    it’s better not to wait.
    Quote: astra
    Here 2 weeks ago communicated with you on armored vehicles

    I do not remember.
    Quote: astra
    Pushkin does not write here

    but I can taste it.
    Quote: astra
    you wouldn’t pass by if you would bring your quote to another opponent
    maybe it would be.
  • astra
    astra 24 September 2013 23: 57
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    better not to wait

    And then what will happen?)))
    Quote: Kars
    but I can taste it

    your will
    Quote: Kars
    maybe it would be.

    I do not know
  • Kars
    Kars 25 September 2013 11: 31
    +1
    Quote: astra
    And then what will happen?)))

    Disappointment, the collapse of your illusions - but you never know what.
    Quote: astra
    your will

    naturally.
    Quote: astra
    I do not know

    also natural
  • astra
    astra 25 September 2013 23: 40
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Disappointment, the collapse of your illusions - but you never know what.

    Do you evoke your fears?))) Keep it to yourself.
    Quote: Kars
    also natural

    I, too, might have passed, depending on what mention.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 September 2013 23: 46
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Do you evoke your fears?)

    I’m too greedy for this. I don’t know anyone. Even fear.
  • astra
    astra 26 September 2013 01: 04
    +3
    Yes, fears slip through))) despite greed)))
  • Kars
    Kars 26 September 2013 15: 28
    +1
    Quote: astra
    Yes, fears slip through))) despite greed)))

    This is natural, but this has nothing to do with your illusions.
  • astra
    astra 26 September 2013 23: 33
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    This is natural, but this has nothing to do with your illusions.

    I have no illusions.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 September 2013 00: 02
    +1
    Quote: astra
    I have no illusions.

    Yeah, seen per kilometer))
  • astra
    astra 27 September 2013 00: 07
    +3
    And yours for 10 kilometers may be more)))
  • ksan
    ksan 24 September 2013 14: 51
    0
    Kars (3) UA Today, 00:07 ↑ Do you agree with Russia and its trade wars? And what Ukraine needs to patiently endure?
    The trade war is just one of the varieties of wars in which the state defends its interests. Maybe, of course, Ukraine wage trade wars. For example, abandon Russian oil or faucet gas shut off and look for sarin in the gas. And what, what if. hi
  • Corneli
    Corneli 24 September 2013 01: 01
    0
    Quote: imrek_ua
    Excuse me, but on whose behalf do you promise: "We are that, we are ..." Who gave you such serious powers?

    Do not worry ... Sitting just somewhere at the computer "Lord of the Galaxy", played with computer strategies and "conquer" and "take away" virtually on the Crimea forum from Ukraine. To reality, such posts have nothing to do.
    1. astra
      astra 24 September 2013 01: 23
      +6
      And you read who responded to the comment imrek_ua and you will understand who the comment was addressed to, and if you hint at me, I’m not a school student to play some games in strategy, but I express my point of view exactly like you. Nobody forbids expressing your vision , but the fact that you do not like my comment to me like that.
  • aleksandroff
    aleksandroff 23 September 2013 21: 44
    +7
    Fir-trees sticks, what Ukrainians became stupid. Which are fooled. They all think that Russia really needs them, that we will even go to war with them. How their Geyropa inflates. And after all, this Kars is probably from the rich, who does not even know about the needs of the people who work in heaps in Russia. My friends from western Ukraine came to Moscow to work and got married in such a way, and they remained, and not only in Moscow. This is twenty families. And never going to return to the BEDLAM called Ukraine. He wants to have their Geyropa, but they believe in all kinds of rubbish about gas. Our gas is more expensive inside, but they don’t believe stupid people. You do not need to feed you.
    1. cyber_punk
      cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 07
      -6
      You don’t need it, okay, then what are your bureaucrats so worn out? And as for those that work in Russia, there are no more of them than those that work in Europe, etc. And how many Russians work in geyrops?
    2. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 22: 10
      +1
      Quote: aleksandroff
      They all think that Russia really needs them,

      Well, you try to create that appearance.
      Quote: aleksandroff
      And after all, this Kars is probably from the rich, who does not even know about the needs of the people who work in heaps in Russia.

      I am not complaining, and this is their problem - let them work at home.
      Quote: aleksandroff
      He wants to have their Geyropa

      And what does this express? Concrete examples can be?
      Quote: aleksandroff
      Our gas is more expensive inside, but they don’t believe stupid people.
      These are your problems. And do not confuse gas for the population with gas for industry and utilities.

      Quote: aleksandroff
      You do not need to feed you.

      It’s just great. Tell it to your powers that be.
    3. imrek_ua
      imrek_ua 24 September 2013 13: 11
      +1
      What is it? Now one shouts "We will defeat you all", then the other: "Well, stupid ..." And as arguments, the slogans of politicians. You understand that all the pros and cons like the EU and the CU, which are being blown into our ears, are nothing more than agitation. Formation of public opinion. To achieve goals that are not known to the townsfolk. I don't know which is better, the EU or the CU. But! These spitting and banana peels at each other are certainly not good for either Ukraine or Russia. This is for the benefit of their enemies. Well, it's just, well, really, gentlemen and gentlemen, you don't understand this, eh? Sad ...
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 24 September 2013 22: 52
        0
        Quote: imrek_ua
        Sad ...


        it’s sad when a Ukrainian does not behave fraternally.

        Russian will "threaten with a finger", and the Ukrainian in response "Russia is pressing us"
    4. O_RUS
      O_RUS 24 September 2013 22: 46
      0
      Quote: aleksandroff
      Christmas tree sticks, what kind of Ukrainians have become stupid


      not all stupefied

      Quote: aleksandroff
      What are fooled


      and not when to engage in politics ... I want to eat

      Quote: aleksandroff
      this kars


      Troll he... anchor him in one place
  • Fofan
    Fofan 23 September 2013 21: 52
    +8
    Quote: Kars

    True, true. Then we will increase the tariffs for utility services. We will introduce limits on electricity. We will connect environmental supervision. If you can think of a lot of things.

    but not for the first time you will try to stir up such things. just get guessed, as always. you still can’t understand in any way that Ukraine without Russia is the same bargaining chip as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary.
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Fofan
      as always it happened

      when is it always? in recent history?
      Quote: Fofan
      to understand that Ukraine without Russia is the same bargaining chip as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary.

      well, it’s not the same --- we are much more than these countries. and Ukraine didn’t give up flattery to the bigwigs of world politics.
      1. Fofan
        Fofan 23 September 2013 23: 56
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        Quote: Fofan
        as always it happened

        when is it always? in recent history?
        Quote: Fofan
        to understand that Ukraine without Russia is the same bargaining chip as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary.

        well, it’s not the same --- we are much more than these countries. and Ukraine didn’t give up flattery to the bigwigs of world politics.
        the population in modern realities does not matter. China, India, the European Union are much larger than the United States in terms of population,
        The result is the US world gendarme. but if you just want to graze pigs, then the European Union is your choice.
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 September 2013 00: 22
          +1
          Quote: Fofan
          the population in modern realities does not matter. China, India, the European Union are much larger than the United States in terms of population,
          The result is the US world gendarme.

          Yes, in geopolitics you are almost zero.
          Quote: Fofan
          but if you just want to graze pigs, then the European Union is your choice.

          and what do you want? become a world gendarme?))) or can arrange a nuclear apocalypse?
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 07: 41
        +1
        Kars (3) UA Yesterday, 22:02 p.m. ↑
        ... we are much more than these countries. And Ukraine did not give up in vain ...
        More in terms of territory? In this case, Russia has no competitors)))
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 September 2013 11: 54
          +1
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          More in terms of territory?

          And the territory and the population. And the economy.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 23 September 2013 23: 46
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    If you can come up with a lot of things.

    Of course a lot of things, you can turn off the gas
    1. MG42
      MG42 24 September 2013 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Of course a lot of things, you can turn off the gas

  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 23 September 2013 23: 46
    0
    Quote: Kars
    If you can come up with a lot of things.

    Of course a lot of things, you can turn off the gas
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 23: 51
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Of course a lot of things, you can turn off the gas

      It’s just that Ukraine will not get one, and what will you live on? And then when you get dragged on the courts? And you lose almost all the gas arbitrations. China pays a little, but how it knows about problems will also reduce the price.
  • ksan
    ksan 24 September 2013 15: 26
    0
    Kars (3) UA Yesterday, 20:41 p.m. ↑

    Quote: Fofan
    what is it? more likely to be like during the August 2008 "mirage" entry.

    True, true. Then we will increase the tariffs for utility services. We will introduce limits on electricity. We will connect environmental supervision. If you can think of a lot of things.
    In my opinion, there’s nowhere to go on spoiling the World Fleet anymore. For that kind of money (4-4,5bn. $ Per year), the entire Ukrainian fleet should stand in the guard of honor at every exit of the Russian ship.
    According to the press service of the government of the Russian Federation, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin noted that the cost of renting a base of the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine is very high.

    "The price of the issue that was rolled out to us, it, in my opinion, is generally prohibitive. I would eat Yanukovych and your prime minister together with this money, but not a single military base in the world costs that kind of money," Putin said at a press conference following Russian-Ukrainian talks.

    According to the head of the Russian government, the price for ten years is about 40-45 billion dollars, several similar bases could be built for such money.
    .
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 23 September 2013 20: 43
    +2
    You are in line with us right up to Konotop ... if we need it
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      You are in line with us right up to Konotop ... if we need it

      But will the WTO just say so?
    2. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 23 September 2013 22: 00
      0
      Konotop is THAT ???
  • Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 23 September 2013 21: 22
    +3
    If "Sharpie" is given a combat mission, who in Ukraine will be able to stop him. ???
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: Patriot.ru.
      If "Sharpie" is given a combat mission, who in Ukraine will be able to stop him. ???

      Are you interested in the military component? I can make a few suggestions. And so violation of the agreement on basing the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will entail great consequences.
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 23 September 2013 21: 49
        +6
        When a combat mission is set, the consequences are not important.
        1. Kars
          Kars 23 September 2013 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: Patriot.ru.
          When a combat mission is set, the consequences are not important.

          Who told you such nonsense? It never occurred to you that smart people take into account the consequences before setting combat missions. But it’s obvious that it’s not your path to think.
          1. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. 23 September 2013 22: 26
            +4
            When posed, the "BATTLE TASK" Russians will fulfill it. As for example in Georgia. And they will do it anywhere. There are Russians. Russians.
            1. Kars
              Kars 23 September 2013 22: 56
              +1
              Quote: Patriot.ru.
              When set, "COMBAT OBJECTIVE"

              Quote: Kars
              But it’s evident that thinking is not your path.

              and Russians think before setting a combat mission?
              Quote: Patriot.ru.
              Like in Georgia

              Well, how many - 150 killed? Where would the Americans lose about five, and then from a car accident when delivering Coca-Cola.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 23 September 2013 23: 48
                +7
                Quote: Kars
                Well, how many - 150 killed? Where would the Americans lose five, and then from a car accident when delivering Coca-Cola

                Do you know the real US losses, for example in Afghanistan? !!
                you are either naive or stupid
                1. Kars
                  Kars 24 September 2013 12: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Do you know the real US losses, for example in Afghanistan? !!

                  For three days of the invasion? Do not confuse 8.08.08 and Afghanistan. Or is the Russian Federation still controlling the territory of Georgia?
        2. cyber_punk
          cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 14
          -14%
          Your quick-witted not so big military unit to frighten them. Yes, and the entire Black Sea Fleet is now just a military wing of the PRT PR department .. before the cameras, remove the rust trough, that's the whole combat mission. No offense, but the way it is. They sent several troughs to Syria, scared everyone, yeah, yeah, Putler’s dreams only.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 23 September 2013 23: 29
            +12
            Quote: cyber_punk
            They sent several troughs to Syria, scared everyone, yeah, yeah, Putler’s dreams only.

            Scared or not not for you to judge.
            But in fact, Babamka was put in place.
            The same will be with your Mazeps. Wait isho not evening. wink
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 23 September 2013 23: 48
    +2
    You prompted it well now trucks with socks will stand even longer))))))
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 24 September 2013 00: 48
    +6
    Quote: Kars
    Next time, we’ll start taking tests from crews arriving from Syria, a chemical


    Then get ready for a rectal examination at the border, followed by a ban on entry by the identified sodomites and people using the river for other purposes.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 06: 44
    +2
    Kars (3) UA Yesterday, 16:55 p.m. ↑
    ... Next time, we’ll start taking tests from the crews ...

    Yes, it’s really bad for you ... And don’t be shy if we help with analyzes. And people who are worthless are tense to strain ...
  • tomket
    tomket 24 September 2013 07: 24
    +3
    with the refusal to join the customs union, your socks will now have an aging like elite sorts of cognac))))))
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 07: 47
      +1
      Quote: tomket
      with the refusal to join the customs union, your socks will now have an aging like elite sorts of cognac))))))

      The price will also increase with age?))) And we need to sew on them stars too)
  • demeen1
    demeen1 24 September 2013 08: 35
    +2
    And what will Ukraine get from this? ; People like you need to take tests from your head
    1. Kars
      Kars 24 September 2013 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: demeen1
      And what will Ukraine get from this? ;

      And what does Russia get from braking Ukrainian goods at the border?
      Quote: demeen1
      People like you need to take tests from your head
      Look for Onishchenko.
  • artemiy
    artemiy 24 September 2013 08: 52
    0
    It is a pity that the Anglo-Saxons are pushing us between their foreheads!
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 24 September 2013 22: 59
      0
      Quote: artemiy
      It is a pity that the Anglo-Saxons are pushing us between their foreheads!


      maybe the matter is in the ukropatriots and Russophobes from Ukraine .... in their desire to keep their business, cash "cow" (******) and they put it on the country and on the people
  • ksan
    ksan 24 September 2013 13: 35
    0
    Kars (3) UA Yesterday, 16:55 p.m. ↑

    Border guards found a significant number of errors in the crew list - incorrect spelling of the names, patronymics of the crew members, series and numbers of passports and identity cards of officers.


    The next time we start taking tests from crews arriving from Syria, look for chemical weapons. Or do you think only you (the Russian Federation) can pickle trucks with socks on the border for a week, taking radioactivity tests, recount, etc.))))
    But indeed, it’s not far from "analyzes" fool Who is in the know, enlighten, nowhere did I find the "rules" for exiting and staying on the base of Russian ships. Is such lawlessness possible ?? belay
  • starshina78
    starshina78 23 September 2013 17: 10
    +14
    Why not ! Yanukovych and "PR" themselves will push the people to hold a referendum on secession from the main Ukraine of the east and Crimea, if in the event of Ukraine joining the EU, the entire industry of the east of Ukraine stops, and the people there will lose their jobs, and accordingly there will be no money for living. The most convenient moment for Yanukovych to hold a referendum on accession to the EU is now, if the people of Ukraine "no", he can preserve the unity of Ukraine.
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 23 September 2013 17: 53
      +17
      South do not forget. Nikolaev and Odessa in Ukraine, only extinction and degradation are shining. And so the port has already shrunk several times, and the ships have almost forgotten how to build.
      1. biglow
        biglow 23 September 2013 18: 25
        +9
        Quote: vostok1982
        South do not forget. Nikolaev and Odessa in Ukraine, only extinction and degradation are shining. And so the port has already shrunk several times, and the ships have almost forgotten how to build.

        Do not worry when the time comes, Russia will take everything that belongs to it by right. Let’s rent the lions for 100 years. Let them put it in order. laughing
        1. densh
          densh 23 September 2013 19: 31
          +14
          All you Poles do nasty things. laughing
        2. old man54
          old man54 23 September 2013 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: biglow
          And we will hand over the lions of Poland for rent for 100 years. Let him put in order

          over there ... the blows of Alaska have already been leased, for 100 years! how will we take it now?
          1. nikcris
            nikcris 23 September 2013 20: 22
            +3
            Alaska sold! This is not a lease by definition.
            They got bucks for her. Ukraine, as part of the then empire, could claim Anchorage. )))))))))))))))))))))))
          2. nikcris
            nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 40
            0
            They didn’t rent Alaska - they sold it corny.
          3. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 07: 50
            +1
            Quote: old man54
            Quote: biglow
            And we will hand over the lions of Poland for rent for 100 years. Let him put in order

            over there ... the blows of Alaska have already been leased, for 100 years! how will we take it now?

            We cannot raise Siberia, but you are talking about Alaska. We would not have kept her in any way.
        3. cyber_punk
          cyber_punk 23 September 2013 20: 57
          -17%
          In Lviv, there is more order than in most Russian cities.
          1. biglow
            biglow 23 September 2013 21: 27
            +13
            Quote: cyber_punk
            In Lviv, there is more order than in most Russian cities.

            lions now, began to fall apart, the city has no money to maintain in good condition even the historical part of the city, not to mention everything else. Roguli from villages see themselves as in a stable.
            I came recently to look at the former headquarters of our regiment. The ancient building was ruined.
            The Poles will arrange you. Wait for the owners laughing
          2. biglow
            biglow 23 September 2013 22: 39
            +6
            Quote: cyber_punk
            In Lviv, there is more order than in most Russian cities.

            If you have never been in Lviv, how do you know that there is order?
            Odessa, I never believe that such narrow-minded people live in such a cultural city. Although the region is still not Odessa .... like damn it is not Kharkiv .....
            1. cyber_punk
              cyber_punk 23 September 2013 23: 04
              -7
              No worse than in Russian cities, that's for sure, with the difference that Lviv is a beautiful city, and most of the Russian and Ukrainian in the style of socialist realism cause only nausea. What do you believe or not I do not care, watch ORT more often and go to the rallies of mummers "Cossacks" against NATO, each his own.
              1. karbofos
                karbofos 24 September 2013 00: 41
                +8
                I agree to each his own. to whom rallies of the Cossacks and to whom pedoparadiki. I see you closer second
          3. MG42
            MG42 24 September 2013 15: 19
            +2
            Quote: cyber_punk
            In Lviv, there is more order than in most Russian cities.

            In Lviv, let it be known to you comrade punkI don’t know, you know the meaning of this word wassat Well, this is lyrics, so there were difficulties with water supply, even round-the-clock was not there until 2009 .. >>
            This is the link for 2009 ..
            Yuliya Tymoshenko promised Lviv round-the-clock water supply
            She promised Lviv that Euro 2012 in our city will take place, in addition, we will have around the clock water in taps
            , and in general, President Viktor Yushchenko is to blame for everything.

            http://kp.ua/daily/270609/184939/
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 23 September 2013 21: 43
          +5
          Quote: biglow
          And we will hand over the lions of Poland for rent for 100 years. Let him put in order

          No, it’s better for Israel to restore historical justice, so to speak ... laughing
        5. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 24 September 2013 01: 28
          +2
          And we will hand over the lions of Poland for rent for 100 years.

          Well, why be greedy with a "good" neighbor? request What can not be given for good? Not so great the loss will be ... lol They do not recognize the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but they stick to Ukraine. And what kind of Ukrainians are they? what Galicia was not a part of Ukraine until 1939, but where? So they will reunite with their beloved Europe. In the face of their "loving" gentlemen, Poles ... good
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 23 September 2013 19: 48
      +12
      Yanukovych and "PR" themselves will push the people to hold a referendum on the separation of the east and Crimea from the main Ukraine

      Or maybe it is better to hold a referendum on the separation of the main Ukraine (including the east and Crimea) from the Galician misunderstanding, for some reason calling itself Ukraine? And we will give Yanukovych to them for that.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 23 September 2013 23: 06
        +1
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        And we will give Yanukovych to them for that.

        Better in parts ... repeat
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 24 September 2013 01: 35
          +3
          Better in parts ...

          Do you need it? request Superfluous work ... Butcher this carcass ... With live weight, on your hooves ... So it is more convenient. Transport costs less. laughing
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 24 September 2013 12: 20
            +3
            read the opinions of people ... very interesting. But it’s a pity that some campaigns live in dreams and dreams, divorced from reality, so to speak ....... But the reality is that - unfortunately, difficult times await Ukraine. Turnover will fall, the Ukrainian market will be entirely controlled by goods from the EU, the Russian market will be closed border controls will be tightened, and the EU will not enter because of low competitiveness, the population will be impoverished even more, rising prices for energy and utilities, unemployment to rise, radical sentiment they will also develop oil shale, which will also lead to environmental disasters, in total we have a poor country, without industry and production with a poor and sick population, and all this is entry into the EU!
  • mmmakm
    mmmakm 29 September 2013 17: 30
    0
    Russians will leave Sevastopol, Crimea will not.
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 23 September 2013 15: 45
    +22
    Yes, at such times, you remember the "kind" Nikita Khrushchev who gave Crimea to Ukraine ...
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 23 September 2013 16: 04
      +7
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Yes, at such times, you remember the "kind" Nikita Khrushchev who gave Crimea to Ukraine ...

      And did anyone see the gift "certificate" at all? If it exists, then it is necessary to show and dot all the "i" s, otherwise some conversations talk!
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 23 September 2013 19: 57
        +8
        And did anyone see the gift "certificate" at all? If it exists, then it is necessary to show and dot all the "i" s, otherwise some conversations talk!

        And you are not too lazy to google, you will find a lot of interesting things for yourself, up to the request of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the ARC to the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR on the inclusion of the ARC in the Ukrainian SSR. Just do not blame them, as well as Nikita. With all his tyranny, Nikita could not even imagine that whenever there were corrupt skins that would destroy the Great Country overnight.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 23 September 2013 20: 27
          0
          plus, although Nikita is still a breeder. Novocherkassk nibbled at him.
        2. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 23 September 2013 20: 55
          +7
          You are right plus, as the commentary deals only with the transfer of the Crimea, this was decided collegially, and if you believe the documents, then only to the benefit of the Crimea (then). But Sevastopol gave EBN to Ukraine. And it was GIFT, because there were no prerequisites, Sevastopol was a city of UNION subordination and, according to all the canons, was to remain with Russia. But having lost their heads, they don’t cry through their hair - Russia recognized the territorial integrity of Ukraine within the borders of the 1991 year, moreover, Russia acted as a guarantor of this integrity, and the keyboard screamers - we will take Crimea - commit a criminal offense. True, on the other side of the monitor they are not afraid ... wink
          1. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 23 September 2013 21: 57
            +2
            Correct comment, join! No luck in Russia and Ukraine in the 90s. In Russia, an alcoholic, in Ukraine, a nationalist. Both of them did not think about people. Yeltsin drank us and bitten fat, I just don’t know salty or smoked.
        3. Sibiryak
          Sibiryak 24 September 2013 07: 48
          +2
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          And you are not too lazy to google, you will find a lot of interesting things for yourself, up to the petition of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the ARC to the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR on the inclusion of the ARC in the Ukrainian SSR.

          For example, about Katyn, you can search for documents and find pieces of paper testifying that the NKVD is guilty of this crime and it is endorsed by the seal of the CPSU, isn’t it! laughing But this does not mean that it was so. With the modern development of information technology, what kind of paper can you cook up and place for general access, and you say google! laughing The petitions you mentioned from various presidiums of autonomous entities are no more than regional-level pieces of paper with a politicized subtext, a formality no more! All decisions on the territorial demarcation of the USSR were made in Moscow, with the participation of the "gifted" Khrushchev, the territorial entities were not endowed with such powers, and you speak collegially below laughing ! Without his participation, the adoption of such a decision threatened with very serious consequences, yet he is not Vanka-vstanka, but the head of the country!
          Just do not blame them, as well as Nikita.

          In your own opinion it just so happened, since there’s no one to blame, it's ridiculous even laughing !
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          For all his tyranny, Nikita could not even imagine that whenever there were corrupt skins that would destroy the Great Country overnight.

          Of course he couldn’t, he was simply incompetent laughing , they thought it over and put it in his ear, but he, in the simplicity of his soul, brought it to life! Once God has deprived ... of something, there was nothing to climb to the top, so no desire for power took its toll! Judah, he is also in Judah, fie!
          What you are trying to convey to me is a generally accepted version of this complicated story, which I do not agree with all aspects of!
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 20: 25
      +2
      The present was absolutely nominal. Sevastopol and bays with yachts and houses along the coast remained with the Union. Ukraine departed from the Economic Council with vineyards.
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 03
        -10%
        True, the vineyards were not there because Crimea after the war still could not be restored as part of the RSFSR, but as part of the Ukrainian SSR about the MIRACLE it was restored.
        1. xan
          xan 24 September 2013 15: 52
          0
          Quote: cyber_punk
          True, the vineyards were not there because Crimea after the war still could not be restored as part of the RSFSR, but as part of the Ukrainian SSR about the MIRACLE it was restored.

          what a "miracle" you are we already see
          shame
          against your background Russia is the top of decency
    3. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 23 September 2013 22: 16
      0
      Nikita is the son of his people, that's why he gave it. And if you remember Yeltsin, "I woke up, think about Ukraine. But now everything is over.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 23 September 2013 15: 46
    +6
    Perhaps, I'll pick up the minuses, but I can't help but note that Ukraine learned this from its "older comrades." If we have strained with Geyropa, Belarus or Ukraine, a gas attack immediately follows. If there are problems with Georgia or Moldova, Mr. Onishchenko is right there. So everything is logical. Unfortunately, though.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 23 September 2013 17: 24
      +2
      Unfortunately, in war, as in war (economy c)
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 20: 32
      +5
      Well, what do you want? I don’t buy Borjomi and Khvanchkar even without Onishchenko. I do not buy Latvian sprats. I have something to replace this trash with.
      Belorusskoye Substation - a symbol of quality - is not scary to eat, although local and fresher and tastier - more expensive, to cool ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 September 2013 20: 37
        0
        Quote: nikcris
        I don’t buy Borjomi and Khvanchkar even without Onishchenko. I do not buy Latvian sprats.

        I sympathize with you ....
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 46
          0
          In what? crying
          That I rub my pocket with tie-eaters and homosexuals?
          Now, by the way, I am washing down the dialogue with Inkerman wine.
          1. Akim
            Akim 23 September 2013 21: 54
            -1
            Quote: nikcris
            Now, by the way, I am washing down the dialogue with Inkerman wine.

            To health. Like it or not, not a single min.water can replace Borjomi.
            1. Hort
              Hort 24 September 2013 09: 43
              0
              yes, but for me, it’s better than the Taimyr (Norilsk) mineral water. And the most that neither is natural water. Three types
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 24 September 2013 01: 12
            +3
            Quote: nikcris
            That I rub my pocket with tie-eaters and homosexuals?
            Now, by the way, I am washing down the dialogue with Inkerman wine.

            "Currently sole manufacturer Borjomi Mineral Water is a subsidiary of Georgian Glass & Mineral Water Co, owned by Russian structure of Alfa Group. "
            Correctly high Friedman eats ties, especially since he is also a Jew, and even a native of Lviv. And the fact that he is a friend of Putin and 2 as of Russia ... this is his problem)
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 13: 18
              +1
              Quote: Corneli
              "At present, the only producer of Borjomi mineral water is the subsidiary Georgian Glass & Mineral Water Co, which belongs to the Russian structure of the Alfa Group." That's right Hi Fridman eats ties, especially since he is also a Jew, and even from Lvov ... And the fact that he is a friend of Putin and 2 as in Russia ... these are his problems)

              Ahahhaha .... I didn’t know.
    3. xan
      xan 24 September 2013 15: 57
      0
      Quote: Stiletto
      Perhaps, I'll pick up the minuses, but I can't help but note that Ukraine learned this from its "older comrades." If we have strained with Geyropa, Belarus or Ukraine, a gas attack immediately follows. If there are problems with Georgia or Moldova, Mr. Onishchenko is right there. So everything is logical. Unfortunately, though.

      How long have you got out of your panties? So they all do, in the international arena there is no place for nobility, there is only calculation. Ours have learned to use their advantages, what's wrong with that?
  • Roman_999
    Roman_999 23 September 2013 15: 48
    +10
    That's what they came to, the Slavs of the Slavs have come to fear, they begin to fear in favor of the West. Can not be so!
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 23 September 2013 16: 06
      +22
      Slavs of the Slavs are not afraid. You must be able to read between the lines. It’s just that some people want to give what they wish for the reality and try to show it with all their might. Now there is a political crisis between our countries. But it will pass, the government will change, we must be able to wait. We Slavs are patient. If only the goal was cherished
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 30
        +4
        There are no and never have been crises between our countries. At least in my relations with friends from Russia, nothing changes, friendship remains friendship ... crises happen in the brains of politicians and trolls on salaries in freedom or in a united Russia.
    2. Gato
      Gato 23 September 2013 23: 40
      +3
      Quote: Roman_999
      Slavs of the Slavs to be afraid

      Yeah, if you have to be afraid, it's for the Slavs.
      Somehow recently colleagues-colleagues arrived to me in Kiev, one from Belarus (special), the second from Moscow (police, gee-gee). We sat warmly, it seemed a little natural. They went together to the store - 30 meters from the house. An hour passes - no, the second - no, I ran to look - again there is nowhere.
      When come. With our local cops in an embrace, all ready in w ... pu.
      In general, all the main fun, friendship, festivals here began.
      And you say - they are afraid ..
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 23 September 2013 15: 51
    +6
    Actually, the Ukrainian leadership is rude in relation to RUSSIA.
    He beats himself in the chest all the time - that they are an independent state, forgetting that RUSSIA is an independent state.
    And dialogue should be on a mutually beneficial basis.
    Russia has done a lot of preferences UKRAINE and has the right to count on a mutual response.
    1. experienced
      experienced 23 September 2013 15: 55
      -1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Actually, the Ukrainian leadership behaves rudely towards RUSSIA. All the time it beats itself in the chest - that they are an independent state, forgetting that RUSSIA is an independent state.

      Bugaga, of course, this rudeness to declare its independence ... wassat Dear, turn on the logic hi How does Ukraine threaten Russia's independence? Who specifically from Ukrainian politicians forgot that Russia is an independent state?
      The site has not formed a small handful, dreaming of USSR 2.0, but is it not time for visionaries to move from their illusions to harsh reality? hi
      1. Gato
        Gato 23 September 2013 16: 37
        +13
        Quote: seasoned
        dreaming of the USSR 2.0, but is it not time for visionaries to move from their illusions to harsh reality

        So it is the harsh reality that makes you dream. By the way, no less "not a weak bunch" dreams of RI 2.0, although none of the respected members of the forum lived in RI 1.0 (unlike the USSR-1).
        Well, the harsh reality can only offer "sales dreams. "
        Well, for dreamers drinks
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 23 September 2013 17: 26
        +13
        Dreams sometimes come true!
        1. Gato
          Gato 23 September 2013 21: 39
          +2
          Quote: Djozz
          Dreams sometimes come true!

          Nikolay, unfortunately, dreams really have the property COME TRUE. At a good price, judging by mortgages and loans.
          But not those and not about that request
      3. alex13-61
        alex13-61 23 September 2013 19: 11
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        The site has not formed a weak bunch, dreaming of the USSR 2

        And you did not ask yourself the question: why do so many (most, according to polls on social networks) citizens of countries that emerged after the collapse of the USSR want to restore it? Why is the rating of Gorbachev and EBN so low? Probably, if under the conditions of the current cannibalistic capitalism, they would feel more comfortable, and no nostalgia would arise?
        1. cyber_punk
          cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 13
          -2
          Surveys are conducted in different ways, to whom it is profitable .. so it’s not worth it about the surveys .. especially those in the style of the first channel.
          1. alex13-61
            alex13-61 24 September 2013 08: 22
            0
            Quote: cyber_punk
            Surveys are conducted in different ways, to whom it is profitable .. so it’s not worth it about the surveys .. especially those in the style of the first channel.

            I wrote: "in social networks" ... what does the politicized (in any direction) media have to do with it ??? Go to the same "classmates" ...
    2. varov14
      varov14 23 September 2013 18: 12
      +1
      So their nigger monkey zombie on REN TV today showed.
  • bootlegger
    bootlegger 23 September 2013 15: 53
    +6
    Is this another naive idea to push the Fleet out of Sevastopol, through pressure from public opinion?
    I think all this is useless. And even if, although unbelievable, demonstrations begin to expel the Russian Navy, then the matter will not burn out.
    The stakes here are completely different. The fleet also has an iron guarantee of Ukraine’s absence from NATO and it will always be kept there. It is better for Ukraine to put up with it.
    1. Fin
      Fin 23 September 2013 16: 34
      +5
      Kindergarten "Camomile". They cannot even give any more or less convincing arguments. More than half of the city's budget from the Black Sea Fleet, jobs approx. 10 thousand would be silent already.
      BDK, in my opinion, are loaded in Novorossiysk. And what kind of cruiser Saratov is?
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 01: 18
      +1
      Quote: bootlegger
      Is this another naive idea to push the Fleet out of Sevastopol, through pressure from public opinion?
      I think all this is useless. And even if, although unbelievable, demonstrations begin to expel the Russian Navy, then the matter will not burn out.

      No, this is just another "denouncing" laughing article about Ukraine that nobody needs. In addition, the author of this creation is the well-known "amateur" of Ukraine, Mr. Romanov. In this case, believing him about the real state of affairs in Ukraine is like believing Bzezhinsky if only he wrote a "true" article about Russia)
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 23 September 2013 15: 58
    +3
    What is being taken from there - one can only guess.

    It’s clear where the ears grow from any order.
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 23 September 2013 15: 59
    +14
    If two brothers cannot reconcile, then there is a third party who will never let this happen. Look at the Rada, the Duma, these are the Knessets. And do not pretend that there is not a noticeably disproportionately large number of Jews in power of these two countries .. The truth is more expensive. That the Russian "politicians" and those of the Little Russia, all go to the synagogue. yes
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 September 2013 23: 39
      +3
      Quote: Stalinist
      That Russian "politicians" and that of Little Russia, all go to synagogue.

      +100 500 but there will be a true Holocaust, they will call it themselves.
  • moremansf
    moremansf 23 September 2013 16: 11
    +13
    Everything is decided by politics ... they lived before, they didn’t share anything ... they served side by side ... they wanted independence, they got it ... some people don’t like the price of gas, but others have problems with basing ships ... well and the directors are known to everyone ... It's a shame for the state !!!!!!!!!
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    2. Stamp
      Stamp 23 September 2013 17: 39
      +8
      Quote: moremansf
      ... well, the directors are known to everyone.

      Regarding the directors mentioned in the article.
      About "flotophobia" was discussed in the Sunday story of the channel "TSN" (owned by businessman Kolomoisky) "Ukrainian-Syrian war." The program was dedicated to the scandal over certain arms deliveries to Syria


      Kolomoisky built the largest Jewish center in the world in Dnepropetrovsk (PHOTO)
      More than 400 VIP guests from all over the world - rabbis of a number of countries and cities, as well as the chief rabbi of Israel, Shlomo Amar, ministers, ambassadors of the USA, Germany, Israel, guests from Russia, major businessmen and philanthropists of different countries - arrived in Dnepropetrovsk to open the largest in the world of the Menorah Jewish Center


      http://glavcom.ua/news/95486.html

      Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoisky on the right in the photo, and on the left another Rabinovich.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 September 2013 21: 02
        0
        Quote: Stamp
        Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoisky on the right in the photo, and on the left another Rabinovich.

        Here is an animated image of the three most influential oligarchs of Ukraine (the animated series "Fairy Russia")

        In the middle is pan Akhmetych, on the sides are Kolomoich and Firtych - Rinat Akhmetov, Igor Kolomoisky and Dmitry Firtash.
        According to the plot of this scene, Prime Minister Azirov (Azarov) came to ask for money ...
      2. rolik
        rolik 23 September 2013 21: 19
        +6
        Quote: Stamp
        Regarding the directors mentioned in the article.

        The other day, a friend under the nickname Corneli argued that Jews are only among the Russian oligarchs. Here among the Ukrainian moneybags they are not. Aw .... Mr. good, because there about the oligarchs of Ukraine .... they are ALL NOT JEWS. Yermolki, probably mistakenly dressed)))))
        1. MG42
          MG42 23 September 2013 21: 57
          +5
          Quote: rolik
          The other day, a friend under the nickname Corneli argued that Jews are only among the Russian oligarchs. Here among the Ukrainian moneybags they are not. Aw .... Mr. good, because there about the oligarchs of Ukraine .... they are ALL NOT JEWS. Yarmolki probably dressed by mistake

          I’ve already convinced Corneli that he’s not posting from Kiev, not knowing about the Ukrainian oligarchs of Jews, probably not under his own flag either, although there are many of them on the site ..
          Kolomoisky Igor Valerevich... ... For 20 years I. Kolomoisky has built a powerful industrial and financial empire, one of the most powerful in Ukraine, a group of privates is not unknown, destructive in essence >>

          Below photo
          Vadim Zinovievich Rabinovich - Ukrainian-Israeli businessman, public figure, president of the holdings RC-Group and Media International Group, president of FC Arsenal (Kiev), vice president of the European Council of Jewish Communities.

          - See more at: http://bp.ubr.ua/profile/rabinovich-vadim-zinovevich#sthash.qatDjYe1.dpuf
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 24 September 2013 02: 21
            0
            Quote: MG42
            I’ve already convinced Corneli that he’s not posting from Kiev, not knowing about the Ukrainian oligarchs of Jews, probably not under his own flag either, although there are many of them on the site ..

            Another "whistleblower" laughing
            I confused the face in the photo (Azarova with Rompuy) and wrote "
            Given that one of the 2 x (the one on the left) is the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov - it’s already funny) ...
            To which Volodin answered me and you:
            Oleg, either I did not understand what photo in your comment is about, or you confused the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov with van Rompuy ... If you are talking about the photo for the article, then here it is Rompuy and Barroso (these are the ones in the photo "expect "Yanukovych). Azarova in the photo is mute. smile
            Really strange >> how a citizen of Ukraine could confuse Mykola Azarov with Herman Van Rompuy? so it is only right to place the emphasis.
            To which I replied:
            Damn! (So yes !! That Rompuy!))) And so similar at first glance ... mb they are brothers? laughing
            And then in MG woke up the "great" mystery revealer:
            Volodin split you. You write that from Ukraine, this can not be confused ..
            How can you mix up your prime minister who has been crying for more than one year in a row
            Just need to get moonshine to drink at the most I can’t, but since you get on the clave and all the more without errors and punctuation marks, then ...
            I’m not Stanislavsky of course, but I don’t believe ..
            And MG suffered, they are great exposers to my suggestions and explanations:
            Easily) The same bald, gray-haired bespectacled man)))) (all the more so, to be honest, I laid on Rompuy, as I rarely see him (although we kind of peel on the gums with the EU ...) In fact ... low alcohol and lack of sleep, to Unfortunately, this is a fact (as well as the fact that I regularly make extremely stupid mistakes ... confusing letters ((((but the signs of pinning, my teacher at school hammered me for a long time)))
            P.S. so argue? or weak? You are writing the 3rd post, but you are afraid to argue ((Are you from Ukraine? That is, to "prove" who I can personally)
            Answer in style:
            P / S if a girl was hiding under a mask, then we would meet, but I don’t see the point .. at least for now. By the way, the photo was far from the pop-up wassat boutique and not even a boutique, and not a trade or office, but the fact that under the glass there it was not only meant that right under the dome, a Kievite could not know it, the main thing is that Google does not break searching ..
            Article Yanukovych selects association with the EU
            http://topwar.ru/33154-yanukovich-vybiraet-associaciyu-s-es.html#
            Who needs to read)
            And now, dear MG, I repeat. Put skype, throw me your account in PM, I call you in video mode and show my face with a passport together (the registration is indicated there)))
            After that, you unsubscribe here that they gave out their fantasies for reality and apologize.
            If you do not, you are just an ordinary liar
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 24 September 2013 02: 35
            +2
            Quote: MG42
            I’ve already convinced Corneli that he’s not posting from Kiev, not knowing about the Ukrainian oligarchs of Jews, probably not under his own flag either, although there are many of them on the site ..

            Add:
            I live in Troyeshchina, I work (a year) for obolon, I don’t go through the center and was there for the last time 10 years ago request I’m kind of a tourist, I wanted to see everything there, I looked back in my childhood) An exception, except that I drive small ones to the zoo, but it is far from Khreschatyk and it’s more convenient to go there by metro laughing So that I can safely take pictures of the latest buildings or restorations, I throw FIGs I recognize them, especially after 5 liter cans of rum-cola)
            In general, I am waiting for a letter with a Skype contact, I promise I will not swear) bully
            1. MG42
              MG42 24 September 2013 02: 43
              +3
              Quote: Corneli
              After that, you unsubscribe here that they gave out their fantasies for reality

              Corneli who is this in the photo? Mat. his state and nationality ..
              After "flying" with Azarov and van rem pey and that photo, I don’t know what to suspect, either a foreigner or dumb on the basis of alcohol .. request
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 24 September 2013 03: 30
                +1
                Quote: MG42
                Corneli who is this in the photo? Mat. his state and nationality ..
                After "flying" with Azarov and van rem pey and that photo, I don't know what to suspect, either a foreigner or you are stupid on the basis of alcohol .. request

                Smartly)
                Can't see skype?)
                P.S. His nationality and condition are of little interest to me right now ... google to help. And to know such a person, maybe the Russians. Here, everyone knows what Azarov and Rompuy look like ... and they do not have to be from Ukraine. So finish your photo collages and send Skype contact) Or are you afraid of something? For example, it turns out that you do not live in Ukraine, as you say, but to rot in Israel? laughing
                1. MG42
                  MG42 24 September 2013 04: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Corneli
                  For example, it turns out that you do not live in Ukraine, as you say, but to rot in Israel?

                  You exposed me. Look at the checkbox .. lol
                  Quote: Corneli
                  Smartly)

                  Oh yes 47 minutes to look for an answer to a simple question. The 1st Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Minister of Fuel and Energy earlier in the Cabinet of Azarov, because you saw the question right away, and given the speed of typing your sheets..minute 5 to reset the giraffe and set fasting .. I already managed to arrive in Israel during this time ..
                  Quote: Corneli
                  Can't see skype?)

                  I said I don’t see the point, they found out in 47 minutes, so it’s not so started ..
                  Quote: Corneli
                  His nationality and condition are of little interest to me right now ...

                  but in vain you need to expand your horizons ..
                  Quote: Corneli
                  Google to help

                  same to you..
                  Goodnight!
                  1. Corneli
                    Corneli 24 September 2013 04: 38
                    -2
                    Quote: MG42
                    Oh yes 47 minutes to look for an answer to a simple question. The 1st Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Minister of Fuel and Energy earlier in the Cabinet of Azarov, because you saw the question right away, and given the speed of typing your sheets..minute 5 to reset the giraffe and set fasting .. I already managed to arrive in Israel during this time ..

                    laughing laughing Do you seriously think that I was sitting and waiting for your post? I can not laughing Nothing else do I read? As he deigned to refresh the page and see the unread, he replied (by the way, you answered MY post in half an hour))) how so?) Well, you just hilariously leave the topic))))
                    Eh ... I didn’t see an answer to Skype, you pretend that there was no offer ... Well, well. What more evidence your cowardice (And the fear of prelude to dishonor well, or, xs, are you still afraid there) must? lol
                    P.S. And to expose you in an even more "clown" light, look in my personal account what comment was written in front of mine (Google's), where it is, and the time of writing:
                    My post in the same thread was in 03.28 much lower (since I did not have time to read all the comments)))
                    And at 03.30, refreshing the page, reading your post, googling) I already wrote the answer. These are 47 minutes, "Sherlock" you are our Israeli) Feil on feil)
                    And at 03.30 I’m already
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 24 September 2013 04: 58
                      +3
                      Quote: Corneli
                      (by the way, you answered MY post in half an hour))) how so?)

                      Cornelli, what do you mean with me ?, so I needed time to get to Israel, because you corrected your post within 10 minutes? love
                      You wanted to convict that I am in Israel = I gave you a flag to laugh .. winked
                      Quote: Corneli
                      Well, you just hilariously move off the topic)

                      Consider whatever you like to the bulb, because you admitted that you have not been in the center of Kiev for a long time and you yourself have moved off the topic .. bully

                      All now all questions have definitely gone after 15-00.

                      How can you not know what on Khreshchatyk and this building in Kiev you also did not recognize wassat
                      here I give a tip 100% <for dummies> >> clickable
                      1. Corneli
                        Corneli 24 September 2013 11: 12
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        Cornelli, what do you mean with me ?, so I needed time to get to Israel, because you corrected your post within 10 minutes?

                        We drank at broodershaft?) At cas I wrote it 47 minutes, then corrected 10 laughing
                        Quote: MG42
                        You wanted to convict that I am in Israel = I gave you a flag to laugh .. winked

                        You are confusing me) You are the "exposer" here. but I just cannot understand what prevents you from making sure that I live in Kiev laughing Are you ready to post a bunch of text, look for pictures, but there’s no time to call on Skype? Even if you don’t have it, you will spend as much as 10 minutes downloading, installing and creating an account! throw off my contact, I’m calling in video mode and voila: you’ll license my bright face with an identification card that automatically removes all questions (your face, if you don’t have a video camera, it’s not necessary for me)
                        Quote: MG42
                        How can you not know what on Khreshchatyk and this building in Kiev you also did not recognize

                        It’s easy if you don’t go there. About the station neighing, I wouldn’t think))) But it’s scary that I didn’t go anywhere on trains from Kiev? (The ceiling to the cottage is by train, but it’s more convenient for me through Kar. Dachi) laughing I sho homeless Schaub without fail to hang out at the station? Circus ... stupid circus)
                        You are ridiculous, uncle, it's a pity that you are afraid (In general, there will be no skype, the topic is closed ... And it starts to sound too "clownery". stop
                      2. rolik
                        rolik 24 September 2013 11: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: MG42
                        MG42

                        You have huge pluses, but tovarischu .... even minus put laziness))))))
                      3. Corneli
                        Corneli 24 September 2013 12: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: rolik
                        You have huge pluses, but tovarischu .... even minus put laziness))))))

                        Two "loneliness" found each other? laughing
                        Plus for supporting "lies" from a liar, it's cool!
                        P.S. I’ll surprise you very much, I don’t minus you either by the way, not my style)
                      4. MG42
                        MG42 24 September 2013 13: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Two "loneliness" found each other?

                        Cornelli, don’t run up ..
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Plus for supporting "lies" from a liar, it's cool!

                        What a lie? = you were taken in by the face about the table in the comments, is it really enough?
                        I didn’t ask about Boyko in vain, but you don’t even understand why, I never just ask for nothing to do, in the context of Igor Kolomoisky and Vadim Rabinovich, = Yuri Boyko is a continuation of the logical chain .. considering his latest scam with the purchase of oil rigs for production gas on the shelf of the Black Sea and much more .. well, and the characteristic features of his appearance, although he carefully conceals information about his parents ..
                        Quote: Corneli
                        P.S. I’ll surprise you very much, I don’t minus you either by the way, not my style)

                        Yes, you can minus, remember only how in a parody of Star Wars? my sword is longer than yours .. laughing but I'm lazy too, like rolikyou minus even paste wink


                        Quote: Corneli
                        In general, there will be no skype

                        I said that WILL NOT BE! I can write larger wassat
                        Quote: Corneli
                        the topic is closed ... And it starts to sound too "clownery". stop

                        At least one clever remark in this play .. drinks
                      5. Corneli
                        Corneli 24 September 2013 16: 06
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        Cornelli, don’t run up ..

                        Oops, oops ... is this a threat? laughing Do not hurt yourself there with your "long" sword)
                        Quote: MG42
                        What a lie? = you were taken in by the face about the table in the comments, is it really enough?

                        The most common) one wrote about how I vehemently "denied" the presence of Ukrainian Jewish oligarchs - lies! And quotes and links were provided by me)
                        The second (this is you) posts all opuses with photos - "revelations" laughing of my place of residence - lies! If you really had it interestingly, then I don't see any problems in my proposal with skype and online video confa) But you rested your horns (but WHY? The question is certainly interesting) and you don't want this, which are you afraid, I can only guess. The fact here is only your NOT DESIRE of the conference and YOUR endless posts with photos, where I was like "being driven") Ugh, damn it, I didn't like cowards since childhood! If a man - be able to admit your mistakes, and do not leave like a woman!
                        P.S. My HIS didn’t hurt me to admit that I was dumb with Azarov and Rompuy and nothing shameful or shameful, in this (error) I do not see how and in any of my fails (they will provide on normal - I confess my mistake, since I respect my opinion and I consider myself an adequate person). Everyone can be wrong, only some can admit it, while others bustle and otmazyvatsya until blue.
                        P.S.P.S. Your sad excuses remind me of another "adequate" Mr. Romanov. I stopped respecting him after he scribbled 10 posts about the fact that Akim is a girl! laughing And no explanations and comments reached him, he kept repeating "zombies"! in the end, just off topic. Do you want to be like this? your right (and your problems)
                      6. MG42
                        MG42 24 September 2013 16: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Hey Hey..

                        Geyropa .. no need to distribute here .. wassat
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Do not hurt yourself there with your "long" sword)

                        So beg for a minus, but I do not care too lazy ..
                        Quote: Corneli
                        P.S. My HIS didn’t hurt me to admit that I was dumb with Azarov and Rompuy and nothing shameful or shameful, in this (mistake) I do not see how and in any of my fails (they will provide on normal - I confess my mistake, since I respect my opinion and I consider myself an adequate person).

                        Too many mistakes with the Kiev railway station, with Khreshchatyk, Ukrainian Jewish oligarchs, Boyko are not in the subject, it seems that this simply shows your level of low knowledge in the Ukrainian trend ..
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Your sad excuses remind me of another "adequate" Mr. Romanov. I stopped respecting him after he scribbled 10 posts about the fact that Akim is a girl!

                        Akim himself wrote about himself in a feminine in the morning apparently did not wake up early or .. request
                        Quote: Corneli
                        And no explanations and comments reached him, he kept repeating "zombies"! in the end, just off topic. Do you want to be like this? your right (and your problems)

                        You need to be able to end the conversation. hi
  • rolik
    rolik 24 September 2013 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: MG42
    , destructive in nature >>

    As they say, which was required to prove.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 24 September 2013 02: 02
    0
    Quote: rolik
    The other day, a friend under the nickname Corneli argued that Jews are only among the Russian oligarchs.

    I can say this - Brehlo you my friend) fellow
    Post Alligator_S SU September 11, 2013 12:23
    In Ukraine, 90% of the population are Russians and Russians who are convinced that they are Ukrainians. At the same time, Ukrainian tricks constantly say only nasty things about Russia. But is it really worth wondering if it is difficult to find a Russian or a Ukrainian among the richest people of Ukraine and among our parliamentarians and in many branches of government ??? ...

    My "addition" to it:
    HM, Have you read the list of the richest people in Russia? Well top 10:
    1. Usmanov, Alisher Burkhanovich (Uzbek)
    2. Vladimir Sergeevich Lisin type Russian (and in the photo, a Jew-Jew))
    3. Alexey Alexandrovich Mordashov (neither found nor searched ... mb, same Russian)
    4. Vladimir Olegovich Potanin (also xs, possibly Russian)
    5. Vagit Yusufovich Alekperov (Azerbaijani)
    6. Mikhail Maratovich Fridman (the last name speaks for itself ... by the way from Lviv by birth))
    7. Mikhail Dmitrievich Prokhorov (I think, who needs to find himself, we will consider Russian)
    8. Viktor Feliksovich Vekselberg (Jew, I think it is clear)
    9. Roman Arkadevich Abramovich (I also think everyone knows who)
    10. Leonid Viktorovich Mikhelson (probably ALSO Russian !!!))
    This is the top 10 oligarchs of Russia. Of which there may be as many as 4 !!! Russian !!! and then WELL VERY not sure, just breaking into a biography .... [/ i]

    Who needs to be read, if I don’t remember WHERE I EXACTLY WRITTEN THERE IN UKRAINE there are NO JEWS OF OLIGARCHS? laughing
    Article Yanukovych selects association with the EU
    http://topwar.ru/33154-yanukovich-vybiraet-associaciyu-s-es.html#
    Further, my koment in the following article to you:
    ..I'm here the day before yesterday, the top 10 "richest" oligarchs in Russia mentioned ... minus (see Russian svidomites ()) It is difficult, apparently, to accept such "Russian surnames" as: Burkhanovich, Alekperov, Fridman, Vekselberg, Abramovich, Mikhelson (6 out of 10, the RICHEST OLIGARCHS in Russia, at least)

    Your Answer:
    ..And what are we actually about the Russian oligarchs, let's crack about the Ukrainian ... So who is it, dear Corneli, you are talking on the first roles ???

    My answer:
    The same as YOU))) Current surnames differ)
    And, from the Russian top, I gave examples of SPECIFIC Jews, the rest with "Russian" surnames, look something like Pan Kolomoisky)
    And actually, in general, I agree with your post ... only the situation in Ukraine does not differ from the situation in Russia (in terms of oligarchs in politics) ...

    There they wrote a lot for a long time ...
    Article War between Ukraine and Russia: is this possible?
    http://topwar.ru/33274-voyna-mezhdu-ukrainoy-i-rossiey-vozmozhno-li-eto.html#
    Anyone can read both of them and search where I said that Jews are only among the oligarchs of Russia laughing
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 23 September 2013 16: 13
    +14
    KChF of Russia in Sevastopol - like a bad tooth in the mouth of Ukraine.

    Rather, the healthiest.


    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 23 September 2013 17: 54
      +6
      The only healthy one, mind you.
  • Good fellow
    Good fellow 23 September 2013 16: 15
    +7
    Shredded politicians. Sneaky tricks. And unfortunately, such news, in such militant rhetoric, they crush people, not only inside the country, but also among their neighbors, setting them up for negative. It seems that politicians are short-sighted and they are not able to trace all the consequences of these decisions and probability for 5 years ahead what kind of words said by some blogger or not before a politician will have to answer the whole state. I don’t know to whom such statements are directed there, but certainly not to sensible people. It’s not conceivable for the two fraternal states to fight each other, where Peter, Nikita, Seryoga and Lyosha would meet in the field. Such screamers need to be kicked out of their own power and the media. On May 9, news from Ukraine showed how veterans who went to lay flowers at the eternal flame were insulted by the hooting of fascist elements under the lenses of public television channels. My heart was bleeding, I wanted to ask for forgiveness from the veteran and his wife, for the fact that they had to experience it themselves, they wanted to protect them. Sorry father, that the border between us was drawn by the state and we cannot protect you, just as you did in the Second World War.
  • ded_73
    ded_73 23 September 2013 16: 15
    +2
    Author, did you watch the issue or read about it? For those wishing to link - http://tsn.ua/video/video-novini/yak-bazuvannya-flotu-rosiyi-u-krimu-mozhe-vplin
    uti-na-bezpeku-ukrayini-u-vipadku-viyni.html? type = 2. So so, and not even a bite. RTR cannot be compared. As for the delay of the "Sharp-witted", then teach the sailors to write correctly, otherwise more than a hundred mistakes are too much.
    “In total, more than 100 mistakes were made in the spelling of names, surnames, patronymics, with a total crew of 302 people (there were also two military correspondents of the RF Zvezda TV channel).
    According to the department, the application for customs clearance was submitted on September 10. Border control arrived aboard the ship at 08:30 on September 12th.
    When working with documents, it turned out that the crew list contains a large number of errors - incorrect spelling of the names, patronymics of team members, series and passport numbers (officer identification cards) and so on.

    Representatives of the border authorities refused to accept the crew list in this form, i.e. enter false information into the "Garth" program about crossing the border of Ukraine.
    Within an hour, they persuaded the command of the ship to submit the corrected lists, and only after 10:00 the administration of the ship, collecting personal identification documents from the crew members, began compiling a new crew list. Upon completion of work and reconciliation of data, the clearance of the ship was completed. The outfit got off the ship at 12:20.
    "At 12:45 pm, customs and border procedures ended for the ship to enter the open sea, and now it is most likely on the high seas," the Sevastopol customs office said. (http://zn.ua/UKRAINE/ukrainskoy-tamozhne-prishlos-zaderzhat-vyhod-korablya-chf-
    rossii-k-beregam-sirii-129039_.html). And you believe in it. If there was another reason - hi would have stood hoo what.
    1. roma2
      roma2 23 September 2013 16: 30
      +4
      The border guards found a significant number of errors in the crew list - incorrect spelling of the names, patronymics of the crew members, series and numbers of passports and identity cards of officers


      This procedure Russian border guards, so it’s enough to fan the conflict only because the captain of the RUSSIAN ship neglected the performance of his duties and submitted the official authorities a document containing INCORRECT information.
    2. Denis_Rossiya
      Denis_Rossiya 23 September 2013 16: 59
      +4
      Sorry !!! .... why do you need to know the composition by name and even with passport data!?!?!? The base is a sensitive facility with its goals and objectives ... The actions of the fleet do not contradict the Lease Agreement, and there is no direct or potential damage to the Ukrainian side. And so what is there ..... in which composition ... it does not matter !!! Even calmly will not give fishing !!! wink
      1. roial
        roial 23 September 2013 17: 08
        -1
        Because this is the LAW (not only Ukraine but also the Russian Federation).
        Is the base located on the territory of another state? - located.
        This means that when leaving the territory of the Russian Federation, the border guard and customs passed.
        And upon arrival in the country where the base is located, they must pass the same control.
        When you go on vacation to Turkey, you don’t ask the Turkish border guards why they look at your passport and enter data from it somewhere ??
    3. Luna
      Luna 23 September 2013 18: 53
      +1
      ded_73, do you yourself believe in this bullshit or Russophobic "Mirror of the Week" and TSN are the ultimate truth for you? To hell with them, with their full names, although I also have little faith, but so that they cannot correctly rewrite the numbers from the certificate ....... bullshit on a moonlit night.

      If there was another reason - hi would have stood hoo what.

      Hysteria is not our method, and it happened just after the so-called. "trade war" at customs. Well, purely by chance in general. repeat
    4. 31231
      31231 23 September 2013 22: 38
      0
      I don’t know the truth, but according to customs rules, it seems like in Russia there are three errors in travel documents except for a passport.
    5. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 23 September 2013 23: 55
      0
      And the clerk is to blame for everything laughing
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 September 2013 16: 17
    +1
    They promise that another 3 years to suffer and that's it. There will be a base in Novorossiysk.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 23 September 2013 16: 21
      +3
      Novorossiysk is worse than Sevostopol. In addition, the main problem of the Black Sea Fleet is that the ships are there for 35 years !!!
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 September 2013 17: 01
      +7
      In Novorossiysk, the base will never be a substitute for Sevastopol, at least for climatic reasons - in Sevastopol there is no such "charm" as bora, in which it is necessary to take ships into the open sea.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 23 September 2013 17: 52
        0
        Yes, Novorossiysk is worse, but now even in Novorossiysk everything will not fit.
    3. aleshka
      aleshka 23 September 2013 17: 55
      +3
      that is, give Sevastopol ??? don’t write BAD !!! So many Russian soldiers and sailors perished in this city that giving it to Ukraine for the second time is too much !! The Black Sea Fleet should be based only in Sevastopol!
      1. cyber_punk
        cyber_punk 23 September 2013 21: 42
        -4
        You will be in Crimea, please visit military cemeteries .. you will be surprised to see how many non-Russian names there are including Ukrainian. Do it, and then balabolte if conscience allows.
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 23 September 2013 23: 57
          +4
          There were no Ukrainian surnames until the 20s of the last century, all the so-called Ukrainian surnames are Russian surnames. Or do you come from the "Great" Ukrov? laughing
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  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 23 September 2013 16: 28
    -2
    Ukraine, a splinter from Big Russia, has already steamed. It’s time for her to kick her ass like a nonsense jerk. If your brains are dumb, it’s very necessary to correct them.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 23 September 2013 16: 56
      +4
      There is no need to set anything right, Ukraine will be made their own rulers. And all the cockroach fuss with the release of the ship is not worth a damn. In 2008, the fleet left Sevastopol without asking anyone for permission and lists hi
      1. bif
        bif 23 September 2013 22: 21
        0
        I will surprise you, but the "Leper" out of sympathy for the "tie eater" issued a remarkable decree on 13.08.08. (after our ships had left ...)
        "... As reported, the President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko approved by his decrees the NSDC decisions of August 13, 2008 regarding the permitting procedure for crossing the border by military personnel, ships and aircraft of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, as well as coordination with the competent authorities of movements in Ukraine related to the activities of the Black Sea Fleet formations.

        So, according to the decree, ships and aircraft of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation can cross the state border of Ukraine only after a message is submitted to the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy, and the document must be submitted no later than 72 hours before the intended border crossing. The message must indicate how many people are on the ship (plane), and also must provide information about the presence of weapons, ammunition, explosives, military equipment on board. "
        http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/13aug2008/gtfo.html
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    1. roma2
      roma2 23 September 2013 16: 41
      -5
      Respected asshole, the processing time for 300 tons of crew takes no more than 30 minutes, during this time your fragile barge will not even have time to warm up its boilers.
      And before speaking out in such a tone about another country, look back at yours.
      Better go to the mirror and you will see there ... something that led to the collapse of that country with which flag you are hiding.
    2. Akim
      Akim 23 September 2013 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Zopuhhh
      If it is urgent to go to sea, the border guards will be drowned and they will be right ...

      And then they don’t go back and the two nations will POSTER for LONG.
      1. Luna
        Luna 23 September 2013 19: 01
        +4
        Uh-huh, after 080808 they already tried not to let "Moscow" go.
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 September 2013 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Luna
          have already tried not to let "Moscow" in.

          This is another situation. It was proposed to stoke the Ukrainian border guards, and not someone else, which actually puts the fleet outlawed. Or do you think you are silent? Do not step on a mine.
    3. cyber_punk
      cyber_punk 23 September 2013 22: 40
      -3
      You are the same. You want everything for free, so now boiling water ..))
  • SAG
    SAG 23 September 2013 16: 54
    +8
    The right hand said that the body is harmful to her and threatens her safety issues in this regard, decided to live separately + wipe someone else's ass! The catch is that the body will live separately, even if it remains disabled
    ... that's just sincerely sorry for ordinary Ukrainians, most of whom are the same Russian, but with different passports, trouble awaits them sad
    it’s a pity that the country's leadership is not familiar with the works of O. Fon Bismarck, who has already been more than a century old, or who deliberately neglects them to please their momentary greedy interests
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 September 2013 23: 46
      0
      Quote: SAG
      it’s a pity that the country's leadership is not familiar with the works of O. Fon Bismarck, who has already been more than a century old, or who deliberately neglects them to please their momentary greedy interests

      Here hedgehog wrote the answer to your question.
      The Jews rule us.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 23 September 2013 16: 55
    +3
    For everything, I want to say these inclinations with the Latin expression "Fortuna-non pennis, in manus, non recepi!"
  • mithridate
    mithridate 23 September 2013 16: 58
    +1
    begin to work out geyropeyskie and amerovskie money
  • SAG
    SAG 23 September 2013 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: SAG
    How one can find oneself in a foreign war with a foreign fleet - we felt again, now in Syria

    It remains to add that these Ukrainian patriots defended their interests in Afghanistan and Iraq by sending contingents there to defend democracy! Bravo! All the Order! soldier
  • Akim
    Akim 23 September 2013 17: 05
    +6
    Don't you think that 4 topics a day about Ukraine is too much? Srach just won’t bring good with a sneaker, and can push it even further.
    1. Genry
      Genry 23 September 2013 19: 07
      +3
      Tell this to the TV presenter and grandfather in a panama hat, who blurted out on the air that Russia was carrying chemical weapons to Syria and was going to declare Sevastopol Russian.
      That's where the trouble is for Russia, so in this TV story:
      http://tsn.ua/video/video-novini/yak-bazuvannya-flotu-rosiyi-u-krimu-mozhe-vplin
      uti-na-bezpeku-ukrayini-u-vipadku-viyni.html? type = 2
    2. El13
      El13 23 September 2013 19: 12
      +2
      You are right, dear Akim, but these are just flowers compared to what will happen after November ... unfortunately. Unfortunately, apparently, everything has already been decided, and for ten years Ukraine will "walk".
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 September 2013 19: 21
        -1
        Quote: El13
        but these are just flowers compared to what will happen after November ...

        Nothing will happen. On the contrary, everything will calm down. This is just an ordinary man scared, as with this information about the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. Genry
          Genry 23 September 2013 19: 49
          0
          Quote: Akim

          Nothing will happen. On the contrary, everything will calm down. This is just an ordinary man scared, as with this information about the Black Sea Fleet.

          There will be an occasion to scare even more and more reasonably. The farther from the USSR, the higher the waves of organic matter.
          1. Akim
            Akim 23 September 2013 19: 56
            0
            Quote: Genry
            There will be an occasion to scare even more and more reasonably.

            It’s like in medicine. Everything will get used to.
            1. bif
              bif 23 September 2013 22: 32
              0
              It’s like in medicine. Everything will get used to
              There is NO such thing in traditional medicine; I can tell you this authoritatively.
              1. Akim
                Akim 23 September 2013 22: 37
                0
                Quote: bif
                This is NOT in traditional medicine

                When loses part of the health adapts. I tell you this by personal example. drinks
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 23 September 2013 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          There will be nothing.


          Well then, welcome to the EU!
          1. Akim
            Akim 23 September 2013 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Welcome to the EU!

            I immediately recall the Crocodile magazine and caricatures of bourgeois life.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 23 September 2013 23: 48
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              I immediately recall the Crocodile magazine and caricatures of bourgeois life.

              Soon you will not learn all this from magazines.
              Wait a bit.
            2. El13
              El13 24 September 2013 00: 07
              0
              Dear Akim, what can you say about this short article? I would like to hear your opinion.
              http://takie.org/news/es_i_ukrainskij_chemodan_bez_ruchki/2013-09-20-6562
              1. Akim
                Akim 24 September 2013 05: 57
                0
                Quote: El13
                What can you say about this short article? I would like to hear your opinion.

                What will I say. There is truth, there is a lie. We will see. In any case, it was really said there that Russia turned away from all of Ukraine with the arrival of the pro-Western Yushch and did not turn around anymore. So it's just the result of denial. In 2004, there was friendship more than ever. But these are things of bygone days. As for the "suitcase without a handle" - believe me, those industries that worked with Russia will continue to work. Turboatom, Khartsyzsky plant, Lugansk diesel locomotive building, Mariupol cars, etc. There will be no interruption of economic ties. Initial reduction is possible. Because of resentment. In general, everything will work out.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 September 2013 17: 06
    +4
    A great mind is not necessary, to write unflattering expressions against each other. But to find compromises, to find the good that is between us, Russians and Ukrainians and to maintain such moments is the main thing in the life of our peoples. I say this because I was born, raised and studied in Ukraine. And I live in Russia. I have many friends in Ukraine. Believe me, they are very far from the policies pursued by the country's political parties. Therefore, I am sure that peoples should live together, regardless of that. that politicians are chatting.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 23 September 2013 17: 11
    +3
    So Ukraine was afraid of Georgia in 2008 year? Now who? Retribution Syrian rebels? If so, then it opens up a new facet of international relations, prompting all countries on whose territory American military bases are located to fear a retaliatory strike from the regimes that Unkle Sam shamelessly bombs, “setting the right path”. True, this did not happen until recently, but fear has large eyes.

    If the leadership of the EU winds up the leadership of Ukraine in this vein, then really, why are they not trying to get rid of American bases?
    Quote: bootlegger
    Is this another naive idea to push the Fleet out of Sevastopol, through pressure from public opinion?
    I think all this is useless. And even if, although unbelievable, demonstrations begin to expel the Russian Navy, then the matter will not burn out.
    The stakes here are completely different. The fleet is also an iron guarantee of Ukraine’s absence in NATO and it will always be kept there. Here Ukraine is better to accept.

    "A holy place is never empty". As soon as the Black Sea Fleet leaves Sevastopol, the NATO fleet will immediately settle there, and this is a knife under Russia's shoulder blade.
    So it remains to draw conclusions.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 23 September 2013 17: 16
    +8
    In the Seven Years War, Count Chernyshev took Berlin, first of all ordered to flog the publishers and journalists of local newspapers, for nonsense about Russian "barbarians" devouring Prussian babies in the morning! History is prone to repetition.
  • bif
    bif 23 September 2013 17: 23
    +4
    It amazes me that many of the newly formed republics, a little something "wrong", demand from the Russian Federation some kind of monetary compensation for "their repressed existence within the USSR (a la Holodomors and other plagues)" or the solution of territorial issues (all sorts of Central Asian claims) ... in short, the Russian Federation constantly "owes everyone", because the successor of the USSR.
    I really want to object to all these gentlemen. Either live on your own, you’re independent, and don’t tell a story, or if there are claims to the USSR (represented by the Russian Federation), so let's take it in order.
    By 1991, the USSR had a HUGE external debt, which the Russian Federation paid off .., and quite recently the Russian Federation finally paid off a loan FOR HELP under the "Lend Lease" (it was given in goods, and payment was made in GOLD). The Russian Federation has enough of such "pleasant legacies" from the USSR.
    "So gentlemen, it's time for YOU to return part of YOUR DEBT, which the Russian Federation has already paid for you!" - with these words it is necessary to start dialogues with the former republics.
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 September 2013 17: 31
      -1
      Quote: bif
      By 1991, the USSR had a HUGE external debt, which the Russian Federation paid off .., and quite recently the Russian Federation finally paid off a loan FOR HELP under the "Lend Lease" (it was given in goods, and payment was made in GOLD). The Russian Federation has enough of such "pleasant legacies" from the USSR.

      Question on economics. What debt did the USSR have (size)? And how many loans and assets over the hill were the USSR? Second, much more. Naturally, apart from Russia, no one was able to pay the debt. But your assets rightfully. So do not cry.
      1. bif
        bif 23 September 2013 17: 41
        +2
        Assets??? Yes, the entire industry of Ukraine is part of the assets of the USSR. So do not even start about assets.
        Naturally., Except for Russia, no one was able to pay the debt
        Naturally, it is to repay a debt that was taken together ...
        So no need to crythat gas is expensive ... You, by default, should think about it when there is still a desire to beg.
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 September 2013 17: 52
          -6
          Quote: bif
          Yes, the whole industry of Ukraine is part of the assets of the USSR

          Right. Only belonged to the Ukrainian SSR. I remind you. In the Soviet Union, each republic had its own ministries, except for the ministry of finance and defense.
          As for gas, the comparison is wrong, but Ukraine pays for it and reduces purchases.
          And believe in bourgeois Russia, it is easier to repay a debt than to the great USSR. It is not necessary to help CMEA and the peoples of Africa and Asia, who have embarked on the path of communism. Feed socialist Cuba, push a weapon for nothing, etc. etc.
          1. biglow
            biglow 23 September 2013 21: 13
            +4
            [/ quote
            [quote = Akim] [quote = bif] Yes, the whole industry of Ukraine is part of the assets of the USSR [/ quote]
            Right. Only belonged to the Ukrainian SSR.
            The territorial division in the Soviet Union was formal, as in any federal country. Industrial facilities were built where necessary.
            All these scum like Kravchuk when everything fell apart quickly stated that we owe nothing to anyone and we will not pay any obligations of the USSR. Lift the press of those years and read ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 September 2013 21: 26
              0
              Quote: biglow
              The territorial division in the Soviet Union was formal, as in any federal country

              Wow formal! At least you remember the brown school uniform. In the last years of life in the USSR - coupons of the Ukrainian SSR. Yes, all this was subordinate to the general ministries, but owned its own infrastructure. And the Crimean ASR was handed over to Ukraine, so that the economy would be planned and managed more correctly by the Ministry of Economy of the Ukrainian SSR. But since there was no money (there was a general treasury), what and where to build was decided by the supreme body.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 23 September 2013 23: 55
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                handed over to Ukraine, what would be more properly planned and managed economy

                But what is now preventing you from planning and managing correctly?
                In the 80s, 75 million m2 of housing was built in the RSFSR per year, and 25 million in the Ukrainian SSR.
                In 2012, 68 million were built in the Russian Federation (in fact, multiply by 2) in Ukraine, 5 million !!!!!!!!!
                I tell you this as an employee of a federal housing company. We work in 7 regions of Russia, we do not go to Ukraine.
                THERE IS NO ECONOMIC ACTIVITY !!!!!
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 September 2013 06: 15
                  0
                  Quote: ATATA
                  In the 80s, 75 million m2 of housing was built in the RSFSR per year, and 25 million in the Ukrainian SSR.
                  In 2012, 68 million were built in the Russian Federation (in fact, multiply by 2) in Ukraine, 5 million !!!!!!!!!

                  Well, they compared the era of socialism with a blood-sucking capitalist system. It is not being built because not everyone is ready to pay $ 400 (or even more) a month on loans. Large cities: Kiev, Odessa, Donetsk - yes, there is a massive building up. In Odessa, for example, there is already no place. I remember in the mid-90s Luzhkov came to us in Donetsk and shouted that to build the Moskovsky microdistrict. Then the Moscow bourgeoisie calculated that this was unprofitable and everything calmed down.
                  It is necessary to change the very structure of land allotment, and something else there. There is an opportunity for the family to receive a state program at 5% per annum, but a bunch of pieces of paper must be collected. Terrible bureaucracy. I am not an expert in this field to give a detailed answer.
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 24 September 2013 10: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    Well, compared the era of socialism, with the blood-sucking capitalist system

                    So the Russian Federation, this did not stop almost twice exceed the indicators of socialism.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 24 September 2013 11: 19
                      0
                      Quote: ATATA
                      almost double the indicators of socialism.

                      How do you write. It was 75. It became 68th. Some kind of strange math.
                      And multiply by 2 - I do not believe in it. An apartment is not money. You can’t hide it in a jar from prying eyes.
                      And by the way, I looked. statistics In Ukraine, 10,5 million squares of housing were built that year.
            2. cyber_punk
              cyber_punk 23 September 2013 23: 21
              -1
              And immigrants from the Ukrainian SSR who worked in virgin soil in Siberia or Kazakhstan is this also formal? Well, are you rowing yourself all over? GG And then others like you say that the Ukrainians are cunning, but where are the Ukrainians then
      2. Luna
        Luna 23 September 2013 19: 03
        +6
        Akim
        except Russia, no one was able to pay the debt. But your assets rightfully. So do not cry.


        So why the hell Ukraine periodically raises the question of the division of these assets?
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 September 2013 19: 24
          +1
          Quote: Luna
          What the hell Ukraine periodically raises the question of the division of these assets?

          Was it put forward by the official side? And some odious nationalist politicians dream of Zhirik’s laurels and swung to the Kuban. The dog barks - the caravan goes on.
          1. Genry
            Genry 23 September 2013 19: 38
            +2
            Even under Yanukovych, the question of re-division was raised.
            http://politdengi.com.ua/v-mire/27592.html
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 September 2013 19: 45
              0
              Quote: Genry
              Even under Yanukovych, the question of re-division was raised.

              So it's Pr ... ki.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 23 September 2013 21: 17
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Genry
                Even under Yanukovych, the question of re-division was raised.

                So it's Pr ... ki.

                Excuse me, but I will put it in words: "Pr ... ki" is leading Ukraine to the EU?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 23 September 2013 21: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Sorry, but I catch the word:

                  No need to catch. They would lead to the vehicle.
          2. Luna
            Luna 23 September 2013 19: 47
            +3
            Akim
            Was it put forward by the official side?

            04 July 2006 g
            Ukraine is not against sharing the property of the former USSR with Russia through the UN International Court of Justice, Vasily Filipchuk, head of the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, said at a briefing today
            Read the full story: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/22/01/2004/65102.shtml


            24/05/2010

            the president and government of Ukraine advocates an immediate division of property of the former Soviet Union between all the former republics of the USSR, Viktor Yanukovych said in an interview with three Ukrainian television channels on Sunday.
            http://globalist.org.ua/novosti/geopolitical-news/razdel-imushhestva-sssr-no4565
            8.html

            22.11.11
            Ukraine offers Russia to resume the negotiation process on the distribution of foreign property of the former USSR,
            This was announced today at a press conference by the press secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Oleksandr Dikusarov
            Source: http://censor.net.ua/n188876

            If it’s not enough, I’ll plant it again.
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 September 2013 19: 58
              +2
              Quote: Luna
              If it’s not enough, I’ll plant it again.

              Apparently greed played. Although we know little about all the details and are indignant only at the shell.
              1. Luna
                Luna 23 September 2013 22: 31
                +2
                And what is there to know? Money for a barrel for your share of debts, and then with a pure heart to demand something.

                By the way, the same applies to Russians pay "a symbolic sum of 97 million dollars"

                Mistake came out, Russia DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING. In the early 90s, Ukraine forgot to pay for gas for several years, and by 1997 the debt had accumulated at 2 billion dollars. Pennies, as usual, were not bland and then this debt was linked to the 1997 Big Agreement, according to which 97 million dollars are deducted from this debt annually. as payment for the rental base in Sevastopol.
                Little 97 million? Well, we’re not animals, they’re throwing the remaining 400 million dollars .......... and about 7,5 million dollars came running under the Kharkov Agreements. There was such a point there, if Ukraine wants to denounce the Agreement, it is obliged to return 100 dollars. discount for all years.
                You have it.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 23 September 2013 22: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: Luna
                  And what is there to know? Money for a barrel for your share of debts, and then with a pure heart to demand something.

                  But really there. Then the USSR’s gold and foreign exchange reserve must also be divided into a diamond fund. Moreover, at first divide, and then debt. To interest ran from deposits.
                  Enough. Do not return back.
                  1. Luna
                    Luna 23 September 2013 22: 50
                    +1
                    After gold semi-divide we divide.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 23 September 2013 23: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Luna
                      After gold semi-divide we divide.

                      Well, let's dig Scythian mounds wassat . He said the past cannot be returned. Therefore, do not poke that you are the only ones. Everywhere there are geese.
                      1. Luna
                        Luna 24 September 2013 01: 58
                        +1
                        So no need to poke that you are the only ones

                        Hmm, and who poked and even rested on their exclusivity?
                        It was you who decided that only Russia could pay its debts, and at what cost it was given to it trying not to think. There’s also no difference in poking a mole - in Ukraine, in Russia.
                        You just forget that Ukraine began to live from scratch, and Russia vomited, paying off these debts. And how I paid, so in Ukraine they immediately remembered that they were left out.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 24 September 2013 06: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: Luna
                        Just forget that Ukraine began to live from scratch,

                        Just do not forget. Therefore, Ukraine did not have money - you all remained in Moscow. We started from scratch and sold for a song a lot to save the economy. And wages were paid by candy wrappers called coupon-carbovans and inflation was furious. Elongated for 5 years, before the introduction of the hryvnia. As for the assets ... I think Ukraine is not right to throw the USSR on overseas property of the USSR, but there are probably a lot of pitfalls since such statements are made.
                      3. Luna
                        Luna 24 September 2013 12: 31
                        +1
                        First of all, Ukraine did not have DEBTS. And in Russia, rubles became steel wrappers. But you, probably, are hinting at another nonsense - Sberbank pulled out all the money from Ukraine and left it with nothing.

                        Ukraine proclaimed its independence in 1991, and introduced coupon-Carbovans in 1992. It’s the same as if you will arbitrarily introduce the euro today, Europe will be happy.

                        Yes, and for the first time coupons went on par with Soviet rubles, only for rubles you could buy NON-FOOD products. This means that Ukraine has closed its market from hungry consumers.

                        Only after the monetary reform in Russia in 1993 in Ukraine the ruble stopped flowing, because now it had to be EARNED.
          3. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 24 September 2013 00: 04
            +2
            No one except Russia took upon himself the debts of the USSR. As soon as Russia paid off the debt of the USSR, Ukraine immediately remembered the foreign property of the USSR. The logic is amazing in its rudeness.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 23 September 2013 17: 28
    +3
    Maybe someone will tell whose base is located in Cuba, or tell me!
  • roial
    roial 23 September 2013 17: 35
    0
    Quote: bif
    "So gentlemen, it's time for YOU to return part of YOUR DEBT, which the Russian Federation has already paid for you!" - with these words it is necessary to start dialogues with the former republics.


    Then let’s divide the foreign property, the gold reserve of the USSR between all the former republics of the republics ???
    This issue was closed back in 92 so there is no need to speculate on this now.
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 23 September 2013 17: 56
      +6
      The gold reserve of the USSR? And where does this beast live? Didn’t Russia start collecting gold from scratch? Can Gorbachev be divided at all?
    2. 31231
      31231 23 September 2013 22: 52
      +1
      But what about Russia’s gold reserve ?!
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 September 2013 23: 06
        0
        Quote: 31231
        gold reserve went to Russia ?!

        And who else, if the state bank was only in Moscow.
        1. Luna
          Luna 24 September 2013 02: 09
          0
          from 1989 to 1991 - the external debt of the USSR increased by 44 billion dollars. When in December 1991, Gorbachev read out his last appeal to the nation in his life, he (in the sense of duty) reached $ 70,2 billion.

          For decades to come, this debt will weigh the national economy in pood weights. Under Yeltsin, he also doubled. (Putin will inherit $ 158 billion worth of obligations.)

          With such overwhelming debts, Russia not only fell into foreign bondage, it also lost the opportunity to develop normally. The threat of bankruptcy has been hovering over the country all these years. A step to the right, a step to the left - and at once the lenders pulled the leash. Annual interest payments alone amounted to $ 15 billion. http://nstarikov.ru/club/22841
  • Curt
    Curt 23 September 2013 17: 49
    +3
    The site has not formed a small handful, dreaming of USSR 2.0, but is it not time for visionaries to move from their illusions to harsh reality? hi[/ Quote]

    We do not need any USSR 2.0, because USSR 2.0 will end up as USSR 1.0, it is necessary to create a new one that meets today's realities, and I would like to live to see the day when this happens
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 18: 09
      +6
      And I would like not to live to see the moment when the Kyrgyz Tajiks and other Romanians become full members of the renewed Union. In it, in addition to Russia, Belarus is enough for me. It is possible that with a small part of Ukraine. VOLUNTARY, of course, but ONCE AND FOREVER!
  • chushoj
    chushoj 23 September 2013 18: 11
    -5
    The animal Julia dreams of revenge from pro-Russian Ukrainians to the animal Yanukovych, who is most profitable than the animal Yushchenko sold Ukraine. The liquid-masson organization of the USSR leads astray everyone and does not allow fraternal peoples to unite. As the USSR was, so it rules the ball.
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 23 September 2013 18: 14
    +4
    “Especially the cruisers Moscow and Saratov, based in Sevastopol, regularly travel with weapons to Syria, and often disappear suddenly from GPS satellites along the way.”
    Whoever understands what is written here.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 18: 19
      +3
      We were pleased with the elevation to the cruising rank of "Saratov". drinks
      I'm from him, by the way lol
  • Altona
    Altona 23 September 2013 18: 55
    +10
    With regards to the Black Sea Fleet, I will never forget this jamb for Yeltsin, let it once again scroll in the coffin ... As in the movie "Brother-2": "You bastards will answer me for Sevastopol!" Our would-be bourgeois builders did not copy the most important things by the method of terrible copying ... One of them, the withdrawal of military bases and territories under them from under the mandate of the newly formed states ... The British base in Cyprus belongs to Britain and no Cyprus ... Guantanamo belongs USA, not Cuba ... But our poor students in power were interested in such details? Oh yeah, what am I talking about? They are not Losers, but traitors, "fighters for peace," you know ... "Fighters against alcohol," stealing wine in a German supermarket ... What else to talk about?
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 19: 10
      +2
      + + +
      Sevastopol was not a unit of Crimea. And if the base fleet is no longer where anyway - buy a bay from Ukraine. But vague doubts beg: Is it better to reel fishing rods from there to Tartus? There, the meaning, in my unprofessional opinion, is more serious. The bay (Sevastopol), protected from shelling and storms, becomes a grave at TNW. And underground garages for submarines will not help - they are still in touch, unfortunately.
      1. densh
        densh 23 September 2013 19: 51
        +1
        Far away you drove the Black Sea Fleet, especially when TYAU will not save either Tartus or Hong Kong. yes
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 23 September 2013 20: 42
          -1
          It was you who drove him ...
          But Tartus is preferable if you create a full-fledged base. It doesn’t work in the Black Sea even in the XNUMXth century. The theater is small - the goben jackal - a sailor for advice, etc. ... .........
          If you go back to the times of the USSR, then the Mediterranean is a puddle of the Black Sea Fleet.
          A nuclear strike is possible from any point. The fleet here will be secondary. Because there are no battleships, aircraft carriers. Stupid, because ...
          PS Aircraft carrier in 50-100 aircraft of various characteristics can attack our friend Mongolia? If not, to the forest with aircraft carriers fellow
          1. densh
            densh 23 September 2013 21: 01
            +1
            So do you need the Black Sea Fleet or not, and what does the sailor have to do with it? And about the fighting in the Black Sea in the 20th century, learn the history. hi
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 09
              0
              I taught her intently repeat
              We need a fleet, but without the voluntarism of the Sevastopol fraternities. In any case, the fleet will come out of the bays and look like that. But Ukrainians may not return to the base at any time.
              1. densh
                densh 23 September 2013 21: 42
                0
                So in the Mediterranean, the fleet will be under constant control. And supplying it there and servicing is much more difficult.
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 23 September 2013 20: 19
        +2
        The bay (Sevastopol), protected from shelling and storms, becomes a grave at TNW

        This bay is called Streletskaya. How it is protected from storms, ask my son, who served there on the Ternopil corvette. And with us, with you, by storms, ships were torn off from the berths! And you say it is protected.
      3. Altona
        Altona 23 September 2013 21: 01
        +1
        Why is it from Ukraine to buy a bay? We also have Cyprus ... In mind ...
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 13
          0
          Sevastopol - not an anchorage - there dofiga nafigacheno. Although, for today, apparently, almost everything ...
  • Anphy
    Anphy 23 September 2013 20: 21
    +1
    suddenly disappear from GPS satellites


    This is really strong! So this is how GPS satellites work! Apparently the correspondents are real professionals in their field whose "rafters are buzzing" and "falling down with a swift jack."
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 21: 20
      0
      Yes! About satellites that lose their target, it is very messed up. VUZOF results - journalists-economists-carnivorous toxidermists.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2013 22: 22
    0
    Quote: densh
    So in the Mediterranean, the fleet will be under constant control. And supplying it there and servicing is much more difficult.

    but what about the "scoop" supplied? And the fleet and entire divisions in "friendly" states? At the same time, they drove with a stream of weapons in all azimuths. And the weapons were reinforced with food. And not with any beans - I recall the performance in the early 90s on the central channel of a black-and-white African-African. He accused the USSR of supplying flour and malok, which the local monkeys do not eat - they eat boiled bananas, but we have them for obvious reasons.
    1. densh
      densh 23 September 2013 23: 05
      +1
      Do not confuse the capabilities of the USSR and modern Russia.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2013 22: 34
    0
    Quote: Old_Kapitan
    The bay (Sevastopol), protected from shelling and storms, becomes a grave at TNW

    This bay is called Streletskaya. How it is protected from storms, ask my son, who served there on the Ternopil corvette. And with us, with you, by storms, ships were torn off from the berths! And you say it is protected.

    I'm not trying to argue
  • Passer
    Passer 23 September 2013 22: 54
    +1
    Again the Slavs argue among themselves ...
  • komel
    komel 23 September 2013 23: 12
    +2
    N. Azarov cannot understand the market logic of Gazprom

    The difference in price between short-term and long-term contracts can be a big difference. As well as the fact that Russia lends gas to Ukraine. Gazprom provided Naftogaz of Ukraine with an advance payment for gas injection. It is by agreement of the parties that an agreement is signed that determines the price for a certain period of time. Under such agreements, an increase or decrease in prices is agreed upon for a specified period. Saying that now it’s somewhere cheaper or more expensive is not right for any of the parties to the agreement.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 23 September 2013 23: 16
    0
    Quote: densh
    Do not confuse the capabilities of the USSR and modern Russia.

    You know, a natural reflex often visits me when I see how modern Russia sends blankets to IL-76 to Africa. With pauses in the intervals of reflexes, I am tormented by the thought - but, what, you can’t buy these blankets in a neighboring country and bring them by truck?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 23 September 2013 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: nikcris
      You know, a natural reflex often visits me when I see how modern Russia sends blankets to IL-76 to Africa
      And I’m tormented by the thought of why dressed in Africa?
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 23 September 2013 23: 24
        0
        Well, who will understand them? MOZH they bugs for food in them bred ...
      2. Akim
        Akim 23 September 2013 23: 30
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        And I’m tormented by the thought of why dressed in Africa?

        This is probably from those times. I remember, we are pioneers in school, for Asia, whose humanitarian aid was collected for Africa. I am a sisters fur coat! brought
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 23 September 2013 23: 49
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          And we collected 50 kopecks from them all over the school. How they converted them into dates - I can’t imagine. But the dates in the store were consistently wormy. How their worms coexisted in date sugar is a mystery. Of dates, even moonshine (according to the recollections of Forex) was a direct route to LTP am
      3. Gato
        Gato 24 September 2013 00: 08
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        Quote: Alex 241
        And I’m tormented by the thought of why dressed in Africa?

        I assure you, in northern Africa, in the desert at night it is fucking cold.
        But why Russia sends blankets - I also do not understand. Moreover, one IL-76 flight costs more than all the blankets that he can take away. If they are not from mink and sable, naturally.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 23 September 2013 23: 28
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Like it or not, not a single min.water can replace Borjomi.

    I respect you Akim, of course, as a military expert, but I can say that you have not tried our Bashkir mineral water: Krasnousolskaya, Shikhan, Kurgozak ... And there are so many springs in the Northern Urals that Georgia has a rest with its Borzhom ... I do not take Udmurtia for example. Although their "Uvinskaya" for me is generally the most delicious mineral water in nature. So, there is no need for fitting ... And I probably remember the real Borzhom better than you taste ... Although, given the special relations between Ukraine and Georgia, it is possible that it flows like a river there. And I do not exclude that it is more full-flowing than the total flow of all sources in Georgia ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 September 2013 23: 38
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      Quote: retired
      And I do not exclude that it is more full-flowing than the total flow of all sources in Georgia ..

      I only buy it at the pharmacy. Rarely - not an amateur. As for the Bashkir sources, your truth - I have not tried it. But of all the tried varieties - for me it’s so super. And he cured small gastritis.
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 23 September 2013 23: 39
      0
      fellow drinks love
      I remembered the unforgettable "Mimino".
      Water in second place in the world in Dilijan, after San Francisco lol
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 03: 28
      +1
      Quote: retired
      Although, given the special relations between Ukraine and Georgia, it’s possible that you’re pouring a river there. And I do not exclude that it is more full-flowing than the total flow of all sources in Georgia ...

      Since January 2013 Borjomi belongs to the Russian Alfa Group
      As a result, from April Onishchenko allowed Borjomi to return to the Russian market)
  • komel
    komel 23 September 2013 23: 49
    +2
    Deputies of the Ivano-Frankivsk Regional Council (Ukraine) on September 20 decided to approve an agreement with the American company Chevron for the production of shale gas. 62 deputies voted “for”, 1 “against”, 11 abstained.
    Ecuador urged to bust Chevron
    On September 17, Correa arrived at one of the thousands of "oil swamps" left behind at the site of the previous development, and, smearing his hand in the mud, showed the press traces of untreated oil. This is the "Dirty Hand of Chevron," Correa said, thus giving the name to his initiative. “These are the implications of outdated technology. Chevron is a flagship shale gas company that uses polluting technologies such as hydraulic fracturing to extract it. Shale gas exploitation results in severe pollution of groundwater, surface water and air. In pursuit of geopolitical influence, conducted through transnational corporations, Americans do not tell anyone that they do not include the cost of land reclamation and water treatment in today's shale gas price.
  • Enzzo
    Enzzo 23 September 2013 23: 54
    0
    Russian with Ukrainian - brothers forever!
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 24 September 2013 00: 04
    0
    as it was said. that a revision of relations about Sevastopol is impossible. to say the least.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 24 September 2013 00: 15
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: nikcris
    The Baltic is a terrible crap, Russian drunks don’t consume it,

    I won't disappoint you much. The Baltika that is sold on the territory of Ukraine is bottled by the Ukrainian "Slavutich" and it is not bad, but this is a Russian brand.

    Do you think that I will rush to tear my throat for the "Russian brand"? Not guessing. If you will be pleased, at the moment I finished the second bottle of Inkerman. bully
  • nikcris
    nikcris 24 September 2013 01: 50
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    Quote: roial
    Because this is the LAW (not only Ukraine but also the Russian Federation).
    Is the base located on the territory of another state? - located.
    This means that when leaving the territory of the Russian Federation, the border guard and customs passed.
    And upon arrival in the country where the base is located, they must pass the same control.
    When you go on vacation to Turkey, you don’t ask the Turkish border guards why they look at your passport and enter data from it somewhere ??

    Turks DO NOT enter any data from my passport. They are in the scrap, as well as customs inspection. Do not believe me - take a walk. I have NEVER, WHO anyone even asked - what am I taking. Yes, in Turkey, customs officers simply sleep impudently on the tape. Politsaev, more affectionate than the Turkish, I also did not meet.
    Pin comments from the bridle ...
    PS Nah need a fleet asking for permission to sail? Nah not needed !!! Because in the summer - Novorossiysk, in the winter - Tartus. Or mixed up. Anyway, cheaper than Sevastopol and more practical with tasks. And if tasks are not needed, then the fleet is not needed - well, it’s a snuffbox!
  • Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 24 September 2013 10: 14
    0
    Quote: astra
    As for border closure, if Ukraine joins the EU, I will exaggerate it, there will be the same relations as with the EU, there will be a visa regime.

    It is a pity that friends from Kursk, Tula and Moscow will have to open visas.
    1. astra
      astra 24 September 2013 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: Jake Danzels
      It is a pity that friends from Kursk, Tula and Moscow will have to open visas.

      Yes, it’s a pity, the resorts of Ukraine will be empty at times, and many Ukrainians will have to look for work in their Ukraine.
  • holderrr
    holderrr 24 September 2013 10: 26
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    And of course, the main Moscow, and the Russian elder brother))

    Well, Kiev is not the eldest brother, and not Ukraine with a ruined economy, lack of economy, roads and army!
  • vkrav
    vkrav 24 September 2013 10: 31
    0
    Damn it, they scared the hedgehog with a bare ass! Either the roof completely disappeared from ukrov, or one of two. The Black Sea Fleet has always been here, and the Ukrainians have been only 20 years old. Yes, and the pipe is Ukrainian: they sold 3 million hectares of black soil to the Chinese, there’s nothing more to sell- that .. And you, let’s go further about self-propriety, non-sluggishness and other vilnuyu Ukraine. Until you are sold to spare parts for the same Chinese, you won’t get smarter ...
    http://news.mail.ru/economics/14892951/?frommail=1
  • deman73
    deman73 24 September 2013 11: 14
    0
    got everyone already with their whining - give us food for orphans
  • 123_123
    123_123 24 September 2013 11: 56
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    And then the Georgians would occupy Kiev ... laughing

    ... yeah, and lezginka danced on the Maidan) Georgians in general, as history shows, proved to be rather poorly established as warriors. with a few exceptions.
  • Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 24 September 2013 11: 59
    0
    Good day everyone! I have been reading the site for six months already, I could not resist registering, because I can not continue to read the chatter of some "respected" visitors, which they carry about Ukraine. There is such a profession to defend the homeland, and there is another vocation - to vilify Ukrainians every day. How long ?!
  • Vorkot cat
    Vorkot cat 24 September 2013 12: 32
    +1
    Ukraine no longer has its own fleet; they cut everything into metal.
    Well, they will scare a stranger laughing