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Orange Revolution. Annihilation Instructions-2

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Discussion on the forum Instructions №1 showed that the orange theme, although fairly beaten, and boring, but needs to be continued, because it is replete with many white spots. It affects that democratic myths are firmly hammered into our heads of the media, and even understanding the goals of this myth-making, we remain captive to its particulars.


First, there is confusion with revolutions. The Orange Revolution, as it were, hides behind the great shadows of past revolutions, impersonating their heir. If the Orange Revolution is demagogic in nature, then how to deal with the Great Revolutions, the French and the Russian? They too? Not!

The Russian 1917 revolution of the year was prepared by our liberal intelligentsia for almost 100 years, since the Decembrist uprising of the 1825 year, behind it was a whole outlook, a program of life, and the deep problems of Russia, the peasant in the first place, which the imperial government could not solve in time. Its catalyst was World War I, it produced a “fire” on the Russian empire, like the German one. A whole library is written about it.

All revolutions have something in common, although all unhappy families are unhappy in different ways, as L.N. Tolstoy wrote; Professor Sharpe, a professor of ideological sabotage, studied this. The great French and Russian revolutions are social, although vivid demagogues took part in both, revolution is their time. And they become a disaster, not only for opponents, but also for their supporters.

Much has been written about the demagogy of Alexander Kerensky, the leader of the February Revolution, but, we note, his definition as a demagogue has not yet been given. Here our social sciences are lagging behind the philosophers of Antiquity, maybe not without intent, who were well versed in demagogues and gave them a sharply negative definition.

Kerensky was a great demagogue, so a couple of words should be said about him, for история sometimes repeated. At the beginning of 1917, the entire “creative class” of the then Russia was completely delighted with him, he was an ideal compromise figure, as they would say now, and performed remarkably publicly. Although there were visionaries who were immediately amazed at his appearance. It is well known that the physiologist Pavlov, a contemporary of the events, said: “A lousy lawyer, such a snot on the body of Russian statehood — it will destroy everything!”

Kerensky had one method of solving all problems - a psychotherapeutic one, he tried to speak every problem. He spoke endlessly, spoke endlessly, and it was obvious that he was receiving genuine pleasure from it, and he avoided making decisions to the last opportunity. (Like Gorbachev ...) In his youth, Kerensky dreamed of theater, but, to our misfortune, entered the law faculty. Russia paid dearly for the acting talent of the lawyer Kerensky. In exile he was an outcast, everyone cursed him.

Today one detail is of interest. Kerensky lived almost a hundred years, lived to the age of television, and once in an interview he noticed: if television was invented in my time, no one would have overcome me ... Of course, there is old bravado in this, but also a grain of truth. Today, at the disposal of demagogues things are worse: the Internet ...

Hence, the overwhelming passion for speaking, the enjoyment of this process itself is one of the hallmarks of a demagogue. Sweet, liberal couple, Irina Khakamada and Nikolai Svanidze - bright modern examples of fans to talk in public: the rapture of their own speeches, narcissism emanates from their “artistic performances”. What they say - for them, in fact, is secondary, the main thing is to produce an effect.

Contemporaries noted that Lenin, for example, was a mediocre speaker, in comparison with the best, although he also fascinated his audience, and did not have a passion for public speaking.

In addition to demagogues, the Great Revolutions had fundamental, age-old reasons. The Orange Revolution in this sense is radically different - it is inspired using the current problems of society, trying to exacerbate them using Sharpov’s sabotage methods, and it is always inspired from abroad by the so-called “soft power” - NGOs and NGOs. This, one might say, orange know-how, which tactically distinguishes it from the truly Great Revolutions.

Orange features of the 1991 revolution of the year in Russia, but it was not completely orange: NGOs and NGOs - “soft power” by J. Sharp, had not yet had time to give a lift to Russia, maybe that is why in the zero years Russia managed to escape from "Guardianship" of the West. Ukraine was less fortunate in this sense: “soft power” managed to grab her throat.

Orange revolutions are revolutions of the “well-fed” and creative; the upper strata of society use the lower classes in them as extras and a means of public relations. They are “made” against the background of rising living standards, not falling (compare 90's and “zero”). Our “hamsters” and “goats” are not poor at all, but they want to live even richer, like in the West.

The main slogan of the orange demagogues: “You deserve a better life!” (Compare, the slogan of network companies: You deserve the best products!) Even better than now, and what happened yesterday - is no longer important. The real problems of the country here and does not smell, but it carries a phony deception. They want to live in Russia as in Europe, here and now. This is schizophrenia, for this Russia must immediately become Europe, which is impossible, and nature does not need it: if you want to live like in Europe, go to Europe.

Here there is the stupidity of "hamsters", and the deliberate deception of their curators, but the proportions of this are not important. It is important that the orange parties in principle have no real programs, neither socio-economic, nor for the fight against corruption. Let us take the same Bolsheviks during the revolution: The factories are the workers, the land is the peasants, in any case, a clear slogan. And what does it mean: you deserve a better life? After all, after “everything” they can say: sorry, you were not worthy!

And this is not by chance: the orange, like the network companies, have a universal product that makes everyone happy with the simple method of its consumption. In this case, it is the “Western model of democracy”, the attachment of which to any problem magically cures it. Many people sincerely believe this: there is almost no corruption in the West! Therefore, it is necessary to give more “western democracy” to society, and there will be no corruption!

Navalny and his counterparts are just local instructors for the introduction of "Western democracy", but real American instructors are always behind them. For these real instructors, the main thing is the introduction of the “Western model”, because behind this magically way the country is plunging into an acute crisis and an abyss of corruption.

This is a big topic, and it requires a separate conversation, but for now let us recall that the touch with the magic wand of “Western democracy” brought Russia down in the 90s, and Ukraine was treading for nothing in one place (according to experts) and as a result turned out today in the IMF debt trap.
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  1. CTEPX
    CTEPX 18 September 2013 08: 58 New
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    I have to disagree with the author. All revolutions known to us, since the "Time of Troubles" (those that happened earlier are unknown to us), took place with the obligatory attraction of "external" funding)). And, in this sense, it is useless to oppose the "orange" events of the Great French or Great October Revolution, with the subsequent global wars.
    Our only hope for less sacrifices and more, for us, a favorable outcome is awareness and common sense.
    Yes, and work for the good of Russia)).
    1. Victor Kamenev
      18 September 2013 09: 35 New
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      External funding in such cases, or influence (ideological), is always there, but its role and influence on events in a "revolutionary country" is fundamentally different. All countries interact continuously and influence each other.
      But ... In the Great Revolutions, internal forces and problems prevail, although foreign states try to play them.

      The Orange Revolution is fundamentally different, it is dominated by external influence, it is inspired from abroad, and internal problems are only a cover here. In fact, here we are dealing with the ideological sabotage of foreign "communities", which is passed off as an internal "revolution." One of its aspects is to mix everything in one heap, it's easier to fish in muddy water, which means we need to separate "flies from cutlets".
      1. Mikola
        Mikola 18 September 2013 21: 24 New
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        After the Orange Revolution, ALL new parties in Ukraine focused only on European integration and they went to the Rada in the elections, that is, the people chose them by vote. If the Orange Revolution was only on a paid basis, the idea of ​​European integration would be buried in the elections ... But the myth that all revolutions are financed from abroad is beneficial to the government, which drives the idea that nothing can be changed in life into the minds of its citizens. The most ardent fighters and apologists of the idea of ​​paid revolutions are the authorities in which there is an authoritarian regime.
      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX 18 September 2013 21: 52 New
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        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        But ... In the Great Revolutions prevail, are the main internal forces and problems

        To become a "Great", orange "revolution", it will be enough to win as a result of external intervention)).
        By the way, all the "great" revolutions took shape after the victory over the invaders)).
        Those. our "internal forces and problems" are inspired by external forces with a multiple increase)).
  2. My address
    My address 18 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    Interesting article. Including by the role of the main mass, or deception of this mass from the very beginning. And then we part with our hands that we bought for scoundrels who knew they were scoundrels.
  3. Gato
    Gato 18 September 2013 10: 12 New
    +6
    The history of all past and future revolutions is described in the "Animal Farm" by J. Orwell, regardless of their classification into "great", "color", "flower", etc.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 18 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +2
      "... All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others ..." An excellent story-parable.
  4. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 September 2013 10: 45 New
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    When the mechanism of functioning of society is hopelessly failing, a revolution occurs. Because if one crew member sold half of the diesel fuel and the other half sold, the ship of that ... will drift. The situation is much worse when it was possible to prevent a revolution, then external forces are taking the ship, they can cut it into scrap metal, and the crew can be drowned.
    However, a situation is definitely unacceptable when revolutionary processes are at least to some extent controlled from behind a hillock! No updates to the ties slammed by thieves and fools will occur in the system, it will either be destroyed or transformed into one that directs all resources for the prosperity of another system, dying itself. Those who wish to learn more about this can read about the colonial possessions of Belgium.
    The ideal option, of course, is not a revolutionary way of development but an evolutionary one. When the highest and highest authorities control the number of thieves and fools, not allowing them to exceed a certain small percentage, and most importantly, and this is much, much more important than catching the thieves, the way is given to mind and work. We have problems with this, very big problems ... Although I believe that the highest power and part of the high power have already begun to realize this, and are trying to do something. I hope ...
    1. dmb
      dmb 18 September 2013 13: 05 New
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      If you logically continue your thought about keeping thieves and fools under control, then the current highest authority is honest and smart. I would like to hear at least a dozen names corresponding to this. I’m afraid with honest people. And the concept of mind, a thing in general is relative. When the government passes laws that make stealing legal (privatization, mortgage auctions ...), you don’t need to steal a lot of intelligence. Paul about the evolutionary path. I'd like very much, but this is most likely a utopia. Spain in 1937 and Chile showed how the attempts to change the social system by persuading the previous owners ended. I personally do not know examples of the stealing person stopping himself. especially when it comes to stealing in power.
  5. mithridate
    mithridate 18 September 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    with hot iron it is necessary to burn fifth columns in Slavic countries
  6. Ross
    Ross 18 September 2013 11: 23 New
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    Quote: My address
    If the Orange Revolution is inherently demagogic, then what about the Great Revolutions, the French and the Russian? They too? Not!


    Strange judgment! The October "revolution" was carried out with the money of the bankers of Walstreet (Jacob Shift transferred $ 200 million through Trotsky) and the French one was financed by the Rothschilds. All Oranges are sponsored by the State Department. And who pays, he calls the tune.
  7. Fastblast
    Fastblast 18 September 2013 11: 58 New
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    well, about the orange "revolution" it is certainly said loudly.
    it does not draw on revolution, and indeed in comparison with those, it is rather a mass meeting or rally, no more.
  8. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 18 September 2013 13: 25 New
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    I wonder who managed to convince people that democracy can be in a capitalist society. Capitalism is the power of money, by any means, and the best time for capital is war and revolution, it doesn’t smell like democracy. There was nothing better than socialism for honest people .
  9. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 18 September 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    Very good, systematic review. Much of what is written here is understandable to any sane person. The problem is that the sane in society is in the minority and many of them are ready to sell themselves to enemies.
  10. maxiban
    maxiban 18 September 2013 15: 18 New
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    If power is overgrown with moss and is buried in corruption, there will always be a force that wants to overthrow this power. An internal force, or an external one, or both, is not important. The main thing is not to overgrow with moss, not to swamp from the country, not to scoff at your own people. And all sorts of orange, white, blue and other revolutionary movements simply will not arise. A country is an organism, if an organism is sick, it must be treated, if not treated, then death.
    1. Normal
      Normal 18 September 2013 18: 00 New
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      Quote: maxiban
      A country is an organism, if an organism is sick, it must be treated, if not treated, then death.

      Good morning, Vasily! A plus!
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 18 September 2013 19: 34 New
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      Quote: maxiban
      A country is an organism, if an organism is sick, it must be treated, if not treated, then death.

      Sometimes you need surgical intervention ... With excision, or even amputation! The body must live!
  11. Victor Kamenev
    18 September 2013 16: 27 New
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    Common words are empty ... Orwell with his barnyard is a bad example, mixed God's gift with scrambled eggs. All are born equal, but scoundrels and heroes are always born, and no public court resolved this contradiction. Orwell himself was an informer - he reported in English. organs on progressive writers, that is, he was a beast, knew what he wrote from the bestial side. To believe him, in general, is impossible.
    There will always be problems in any country, there is no need to build Orwellian utopias. Problems must be "removed", while the orange strategy tries to exacerbate them. This is the whole point.
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 18 September 2013 21: 42 New
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      A very good strategy. The church is one of the best lightning rods in society. That is why those who need storms hate her and fight her. And those who want peace and prosperity support the Church, regardless of whether they believe or not. Retz, of course, is about the canonical Orthodox Church.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 18 September 2013 22: 01 New
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      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      Problems should be “removed”, while the orange strategy tries to exacerbate them. This is the whole point.

      This is the truth)).
  12. FIRE
    FIRE 18 September 2013 17: 06 New
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    Worse than “orange” demagogues are only “white-blue-red” demagogues (or whatever color our pseudo-patriots prefer). Under the mantras of Starikov, Leontiev, Fedorov, Kurginyan, and similar pro-Putin media swindlers, about the State Department, the Anglo-Saxons, Qatar and the fifth column, the attention of citizens is diverted from the real danger of threatening Russia - the revolution is not “orange”, but “green”.

    In recent years, Azerbaijani citizens have been actively involved in terrorist and extremist activities in Russia, Afghanistan and Syria. “There are a lot of Azerbaijanis. Who holds our markets? Our peaceful merchants. They are now being put in packs in Jobar. Now all this riffraff is there, ”Musin said.
    At the same time, he emphasized that the most high-profile crimes in Syria are committed by Russians - immigrants from the North Caucasus. “Now in Syria they are preparing terrorist leaders who will return to Russia in the future,” the expert said.
    http://vostexpress.org/m-musin-lagerya-po-podgotovke-boevikov-iz-sng-v-sirii-voz


    glavlyaet-lichnyiy-telohranitel-prezidenta-azerbaydzhana-ilhama-alieva /


    And who, I want to ask, allowed billions of Wahhabi-Salafi bastards from the Caucasus to creep all over Russia? Who, like a horn rested, on the issue of introducing a visa regime with anti-Russian, anti-Russian southern rags of the former USSR? Who in Russia has raised double standards to the norm, when some are given sentences on trumped-up charges, while others, for reasons of "tolerance", get away with even such crimes as murder?
    State Department?
    Anglo-Saxons?
    Bilderberg Club?



    On the fact of Khasavov's statement, a criminal case was initiated under Article 282 ("Inciting ethnic hatred"), but after a "thorough check", the prosecutor's office concluded that the promise to pour the blood of non-Muslims into Moscow was not inciting hatred. Khasavov continues to live and work in peace in the "kafir" Moscow, which he, together with the rest of the "caliphate", plans to drench with blood.

    In the meantime, Russia, under the yoke of the Ozero cooperative, is systematically turning into a NEW KOSOVO, the ICR was "excited" by Nemtsov's phrase uttered in Yaroslavl during a recent election campaign: "The liberation of Russia from crooks and thieves will begin in Yaroslavl."
    "In relation to Nemtsov, a check is being carried out to establish in his actions signs of corpus delicti under the article" Public calls for extremist activity committed with the use of the media "
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2013/09/130917_rn_nemtsov_yaroslavl_ex
    tremism.shtml

    Truly - just monstrous extremism!
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 18 September 2013 19: 49 New
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      Quote: FIRE


      On the fact of Khasavov's statement, a criminal case was initiated under Article 282 ("Inciting ethnic hatred"), but after a "thorough check", the prosecutor's office concluded that the promise to pour the blood of non-Muslims into Moscow was not inciting hatred. Khasavov continues to live and work in peace in the "kafir" Moscow, which he, together with the rest of the "caliphate", plans to drench with blood.
      Truly - just monstrous extremism!

      The prosecutor's office and the court can say anything about extremism and so on ...
      More important than another ...
      Dagir Khasavov, I remember you ...
      Guys, and you will remember him, and others on the occasion the same ...
  13. repytw
    repytw 18 September 2013 17: 13 New
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    Quote: Ross
    Jacob Shift transferred $ 200 million through Trotsky


    Can you imagine what kind of money it was at that time (about $ 15 billion, if not more, at today's prices), if the Bolsheviks had that kind of money, then there would be no ruin, hunger, socialism could be built right away with that money.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 18 September 2013 22: 09 New
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      Quote: repytw
      if the Bolsheviks had that kind of money, then there would be no ruin, famine,

      If the governor (please put your region) had such money, then ...
      to choose from: there would be no predatory tariffs)); there would be no shortage of kindergartens)); other ...
      Conclusion: there was no SUCH money from the governor)).
  14. Normal
    Normal 18 September 2013 17: 53 New
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    Another pro-government ritual; all who are against the government - orangeizna and the State Department's keepers, all who want a better life - "hamsters" and "goats"
    The author of the topic goes from under his feet. On the one hand, it’s really tired of everyone and not interesting, on the other hand, the government has the opposition it deserves.
    Roizman has won the election, woe to the author!, Without any orange technology and annihilation. For now, Navalny has not called for going to the Kremlin, and next to him there is neither Udaltsov, nor Nemtsov, nor Kudrin with Misha 2%, nor Ksyusha with Yashin, and most importantly the State Department was not noted. The topic goes away ... It's a shame, right? laughing
    Do you want a recipe against all color revolutions?
    The authorities had to work. Create a sustainable political system. To bring up a new generation of patriotic politicians who are sick not for their own pockets but for the State. But power is not leisure. Not all Siberian Cranes are trained to fly, not all amphoras are raised from the bottom and not all pikes are caught. Power is only occupied with ensuring its eternity, hence all sorts of color revolutions, and the happiness of power that it has in its opponents such hollow-necked as Navalny. If someone was as active as Roizman, the authorities would have to be tight. But in general I join this opinion;
    Quote: maxiban
    Today, 15: 18 New
    If power is overgrown with moss and is buried in corruption, there will always be a force that wants to overthrow this power. An internal force, or an external one, or both, is not important. The main thing is not to overgrow with moss, not to swamp from the country, not to scoff at your own people. And all sorts of orange, white, blue and other revolutionary movements simply will not arise. A country is an organism, if an organism is sick, it must be treated, if not treated, then death.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      18 September 2013 21: 13 New
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      You, apparently, are in the happy confidence that the State Department is asleep and sees how Russia is turning into a powerful state, and it is this that throws millions of dollars, and supports Navalny and Nemtsov, and Putin spreads rot with the help of the same Nemtsov and Bulk. Not to see the connection between the State Department and Navalny means to be blind, I don’t know how you are with your eyesight.
      Power is not an institution of noble maidens, it is taken from our aspens, and, unfortunately, there will always be scoundrels and corrupt officials, just like in life. And so everywhere, both in America and in China. But you have a special approach to your own country: to fight the "authorities" to the last "corrupt official." There is simplicity, which is worse than theft - a popular saying .... You have to fight, of course, but also think, and move the country forward, despite corruption. Mafia is eternal, Italian wisdom, if Russian is not enough for you.
      1. Normal
        Normal 18 September 2013 22: 16 New
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        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        You seem to be in happy confidence

        No, I do not abide. I used to doubt and not take a word. I try to think critically and not give in to enthusiasm. I try, to the best of my modest capabilities, to analyze and compare. I do not trust propaganda for those who don’t live the way they teach others to live. I judge by deeds, not by words and intentions. So all your maxims past the box office, give lectures about power and the eternal mafia to enthusiastic young students and careerists on Seliger, and I'm not your target audience, I’m too adult.

        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        Not to see the connection between the State Department and Navalny means to be blind,


        Do not give out your assumptions for my opinion. The relationship of the State Department can be found with almost any senior Russian official, and not just with Navalny. It’s easy not to see through the pro-Western liberal policy of the authorities and at the same time to see the opposition’s connection with the State Department. For this you are paid.
        Not to see Putin’s connection with corruption in Russia and the interest of the West in the corruption of our elite is what it means to be blind. And you, the blind, are thrown a pseudo-opposition that is fighting against the pseudo-patriot Putin and you are ready to lick it from head to toe in puppy delight. Bravo! The combination was a success! Putin will win - a liberal-pro-Western policy will continue under the talk of sovereignty, Navalny will creep into power; a liberal-pro-Western policy will continue under the talk of democracy.
        And by the way, where did you see the orange revolution in Russia? Where, except in Ukraine, and even then, a long time ago, power was changed with the help of orange technology? What reason do you have to say that any protest against the actions or inaction of the authorities is a sign of the Orange Revolution?
        You are simply replacing the just discontent of even the poorest, but active part of the population with ossification, mossiness of power, unwillingness of this power to work on problems that concern everyone, almost a mythical orange threat. You are flapping on the Internet, which you immediately declare a means of overthrowing your favorite power. Take it easy. Nothing depends on us. All of our and your moves have already been calculated and the options for the development of events are lost by smart people more than once.
        Only you are content with your role, but I do not agree that everything has already been decided for me.
        1. Victor Kamenev
          18 September 2013 22: 28 New
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          Hearty spitch! Things are simple: show us your wonderful alternative, your candidate instead of Putin, his party EP and so on, as well as at least some arguments that patriotism will increase, corruption will fall, and everything will become fair.

          You can find fault and to the post, it's not a tricky thing, but I would like to look at your pillar of faith. Or you, as always: to the ground, and then ...
          1. Normal
            Normal 18 September 2013 23: 09 New
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            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            Or are you, as always: to the bottom, and then ...

            Again;
            Do not give out your assumptions for my opinion.
            Is it really not clear?

            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            The case for small: present us your wonderful alternative, your candidate instead of Putin, his party EP

            What vulgarity? Well, how not tired? What is your alternative? And most importantly; to whom? Retired FSB Colonel? Will you list all the retired colonels? Why are they worse? The fact that they had no connection with German banks and did not carry a suitcase for Sobchak?
            About EP and talk is not convenient. Not even a year has passed since the change of president, more than half of the EP members will end up in the new party in power. No EP, Our House Gazprom, Unity, Fatherland and others. Just a PARTY of AUTHORITY and all - there will NEVER be a shortage of members. And is GDP really in United Russia? EP is another shit tap (like DAM) from the All-Great, which is always clean and radiant.

            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            as well as at least some arguments that patriotism will increase, corruption will fall, and everything will be fair in our country.

            Yes, an elementary argument - a new broom sweeps in a new way. Even if the president is someone from Putin's entourage (not a LADY), the change of the majority of those who stuck and lost weight (without the letters "p" and "d") from impunity and permissiveness is inevitable. And if there are landings, well, at least Serdyukov with his accomplices and a few more especially odious thieves, this "signal" will quickly spread throughout the entire vertical of power. Putin will never do this, and Sergei Ivanov, for example, is quite possible. The main thing is that the GDP should be really removed from the government.
            No one says that corruption will immediately disappear and there will be complete justice, and therefore patriotism will reach unprecedented values. But something still needs to be done with corruption, and the current government will not do anything anymore - it has been proved by time.

            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            You can find fault with a pillar, it’s not a tricky business, but I would like to look at your pillar of faith.

            Yes always please! The profile is open - you can familiarize yourself. I have almost every fifth post on the topic of power. But in order not to delve you, I bring an excerpt from one of them;
            Well, about the names ... I can tell you not one or two.
            Putin's Companions:
            Shoigu, Lavrov, Stepashin, Ivanov. Maintaining course in the general direction and removing particularly snickering close ones.
            Governors:
            Anatoly Artamonov - Kaluga region, Evgeny Savchenko - Belgorod region. Strong business executives who have proven their professional competence and ability to manage the economy of the regions.
            Generals:
            Yuri Baluevsky, Vladimir Kolokoltsev. The completion of high-profile cases, the destruction of corruption, the planting of thieves.
            Athletes:
            Fedor Emelianenko, Nikolay Valuev. Why not? We now have a judoka as president, and a very mediocre one. And here is the Great Fighter and "The Last Emperor" with tremendous charisma, faith in his soul and tremendous authority among athletes not only in the country, but also in the world, Emelianenko. And Valuev is also not a boy and his head is all right.

            Well, I think enough .... even without representatives of opponents of GDP policy and opposition.
            1. Victor Kamenev
              18 September 2013 23: 22 New
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              Your logic is strange: I like Shoigu, Ivanov and I, but they are also Putin's support! A "new broomstick" bet - sorry - god knows what! Not a state approach. It can also make you shed tears about Putin, as always, having lost your head.

              I note that your pathological hatred for Putin personally coincides with hatred for him, for example, McCain and others like him.
              Probably, these are also secret well-wishers of Russia. All the best.
              1. Normal
                Normal 18 September 2013 23: 50 New
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                Quote: Victor Kamenev
                Your logic is strange: Shoigu, Ivanov and I like it, but they are also Putin’s support!


                Yes, I do not like Shoigu and others, but I do not like the irremovability of power even more. This is stagnation and the inevitable lag behind opponents. And if the course pursued by the authorities is so dear to you, then I proposed to you the candidates at which this course will be maintained.
                But apparently you are not on the road, but Putin personally. Alas ... There is nothing to be done - love ... But I already Leaders, Fathers of Peoples, Personally dear Leonid Ilyich and other uncontested love ...
                Quote: Victor Kamenev
                A bet on a "new broom" - sorry - god knows what! Not a state approach.


                I'm not sorry. By this "God knows what!" most states on the planet are guided and do not believe that this is not a state approach. Even super authoritarian .... IRAN! And nothing - did not fall apart. Even ... CHINA! And nothing - soon it will be the first economy in the world. You tell the Chinese and Iranians that they have a "non-state approach."

                Quote: Victor Kamenev
                I note that your pathological hatred for Putin personally coincides with hatred for him, for example, McCain and others like him.


                Well this is not new. When there are no arguments, pro-government always resort to defaming opponents.
                You can not try; McCain has one claim to Putin, but I have completely different. And believe me, my claims are justified and the State Department has nothing to do with it. This is personal.

                Quote: Victor Kamenev
                . All the best.

                Similarly hi
                1. Victor Kamenev
                  19 September 2013 00: 11 New
                  +1
                  And I will not excuse you. Wha, do you think that in China "power" is changing with the new General Secretary? And in America with a new president, and in Europe with a new prime minister? This is childishness in half with stupidity.
                  Do not fall for a fox pen - it will show you many such tricks.
                  Obama is only the manager of AO America, this manager is controlled by completely different persons. Therefore, I'm sorry, but your reasoning about power is dilettantism, if not demagoguery. The Bush clan ruled the United States for 4 terms, 16 years! This is such a change of power!
                  You would like Kerensky, he talked a lot about democracy and "responsible government" for people like you.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 19 September 2013 07: 01 New
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                    Quote: Victor Kamenev
                    Wha, do you think that in China "power" is changing with the new General Secretary? And in America with a new president, and in Europe with a new prime minister? This is childishness in half with stupidity.

                    And who is talking about a change of power? Where did you find calls for revolution and a cardinal change of course? There were plenty of revolutions in Russia. The course should be stable for a long time and what
                    The Bush Clan ruled the US for 4 terms, 16 years!
                    , and in China the same power is more likely their advantage, rather than a disadvantage. But personalities must change. This is the whole world has understood, except you. The change of top managers is insurance against corruption and stagnation. This is a guarantee of a comprehensive approach to solving problems. This is the possibility of course variability in the general direction. This makes all revolutions unnecessary, since there is an opportunity to influence top managers, makes these managers themselves adequate and able to respond to a constantly changing situation in economics and politics. That's life.
                    And you stand up for the eternal rule of the GDP, that is, for the revolution, since there is no other way to replace the president. Or for the turmoil that certainly comes after the death of the "eternal" ruler. Learn history.
                    This is your position - childishness and stupidity. You have not answered ANYTHING to my argument. Instead, constantly ascribe to me your speculation and immediately criticize them. This is demagoguery and amateurism
                    Quote: Victor Kamenev
                    You would like Kerensky, he talked a lot about democracy and "responsible government" for people like you.

                    Here is another example.
                    "Tandem" likes to talk about "responsible government" and responsibility in general, and in general, Putin likes to talk a lot in our country that is correct and beautiful. Only now he and his associates have no responsibility whatsoever.
                    So which of us is a fan of Kerensky is another question.
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 19 September 2013 03: 43 New
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                  Quote: Normal
                  but the irremovability of power I do not like even more. This is stagnation and the inevitable lag behind opponents.

                  Hello! I have not been here for a long time request The devil, as you know, is in the details. There are many advantages to a replaced government, but also one very serious drawback is a short historical memory. what The elites do not disappear, but the signboard changes and as a result you get yesterday’s salad with today's sauce
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                    Normal 19 September 2013 07: 13 New
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                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Hello! I have not been here for a long time

                    Hi-hi ... Appeared - not dusty. laughing Did you bring a certificate? Or a note from parents? Why skipped?
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Shifted power has many advantages, but also one very serious drawback is a short historical memory
                    This is a theory, and our historical experience shows that each successive ruler begins by changing the course and criticizing the previous one. AS A RESULT, SHORT HISTORICAL MEMORY IS OBTAINED JUST WHEN THE POWER IS IMMITABLE. The elites of course remain, but with a planned change of top officials, the rotation of the environment and the removal of especially "distinguished"
                    Better yesterday’s salad (with the removal of spoiled ingredients) in today's sauce than sour yesterday’s dish.
                    I do not want to paint. I have already said enough on this subject in previous comments.
            2. FIRE
              FIRE 19 September 2013 00: 01 New
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              Sorry for the intervention, let me expand the list somewhat:
              Ivashov Leonid,
              Mironov Boris,
              General Shamanov.
              Quote: Normal

              About EP and talk is not convenient. Not even a year has passed since the change of president, more than half of the EP members will end up in the new party in power.

              I think that even the Taliban will come to power in Russia tomorrow, 99% of EP members will be cut off the next day, grow their beards and become us imams and mullahs.
  15. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 18 September 2013 18: 32 New
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    my mother told her in a fluffy manner Gorbachev is lying, but he is lying so beautifully that you start to believe, and even your wife assentes, how can I not believe