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Yevgeny Pozhidaev: In anticipation of a strike: the possibilities of Syria and the power potential of Russia

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Yevgeny Pozhidaev: In anticipation of a strike: the possibilities of Syria and the power potential of RussiaThe belligerent moods of the West vis-à-vis Syria have clearly declined. However, the threat of impact - albeit limited in scale - remains. What can oppose the potential force action Damascus? Apparently, very little. Attempts to attack American ships on the high seas are likely to end in nothing. The Syrian fleet is ephemeral - its largest combat unit is a patrol ship with a displacement of about 1 thousand tons, and the main striking force is 8 of the Moskit 205 missile boats with old anti-ship missiles P-15, blinking in the 1960's wars and upgraded in 1972


A more serious threat is land anti-ship missile systems. 4 "Redoubts" (the beginning of flight tests in 1963-m), and 6-12 P-15 hardly now represent a real force. However, Syria has two divisions of modern anti-ship missiles "Yakhont" (ammunition - 72 missiles). The maximum range of their flight - to 300 km. However, the Syrians, obviously, will have to launch them along a low-altitude trajectory, otherwise the missile’s chances of breaking through the air defense system are small. In this case, the maximum range will be only 120 km. As a result, the Americans will potentially be able to attack targets throughout Syria far away from the range of its anti-ship missiles.

In other words, prevent a missile attack or aviation Damascus is not able to. What can he oppose to them? The state of the Syrian Air Force does not give reason for optimism. Since the late 80s, Syrian aviators have hardly received any new weapons. As a result, the once quite formidable Syrian Air Force is apparently much less numerous than is commonly believed. Syrian fighter aircraft are 19 Mig-29 (The Military Balance data of 2010, modernized in the late 90s - the beginning of the “zero”, 11 Mig-25 interceptors, 60-100 Mig-23 different modifications, up to 150 Mig- 21. Problems with spare parts led to the fact that the average annual air raid by the beginning of the conflict did not exceed 30 hours, for comparison, the Iraqi Air Force in 1991 totaled 41 Mig-29, 33 Mig-25, 123 Mig-23, 208 Mig-21 , 75 Mirage F.1., And had extensive combat experience gained during the war with Iran.In general, not only the United States, but also Israel and Turkey possess the overwhelming superiority over the Syrian air force.

Israeli military aircraft are X-NUMX heavy F-72 fighters (A, B, C, D), X-NUMX heavy fighter-bomber F-15I, 25 light fighters F-15 (A, B, C and D), 260 light multi-purpose fighters bomber F-16I. In other words, the number of modern combat aircraft from Israel exceeds that of Syria by more than twenty times. Turkey has the 102 F-16, 168 Phantoms F.16, 124 Tiger F.4.

Let's look at the Syrian air defense. By 2010, the country’s early warning system for an air attack of the country consisted of 22 ground-based radars of archaic Soviet designs (P-12, P-14F, P-15). Later, 6 of them were replaced by modern Chinese Type 120 radar (4 radar) and JYL-1 (2 units). At the same time, the low efficiency of standard (not over-the-horizon) radars with respect to targets flying at low altitudes has been repeatedly and clearly confirmed by experience. Thus, the early warning system that existed at the beginning of the conflict could have detected 60-meters and less “Tomahawk” flying at an altitude of only two minutes before the impact, even if the target was the radar itself. The technical condition of the radar is also quite doubtful - it is believed that up to half of the Syrian radars require repair, 20-30% are sky-ready. There was never a solid radar field at low altitudes over Syria, where the situation was aggravated by a mountainous terrain, even before the conflict began. After two years of fighting, during which the rebels at the peak of success controlled more than half of the territory, the situation, of course, has become even worse.

The “firepower” of Syrian air defense looks impressive in theory. For example, Syria has X-NUMX Dvina and C-300M Volga, 75 Cube, 75 C-200 Neva and C-140M Pechora, 125 Osa, 125 C-60. However, first, the number of actually deployed, and obviously combat-ready systems is less, and often by an order of magnitude. De facto from this list, Syria is able to withstand with assault X-NUMX C-44, X-NUMX-C-200, 37-C-75-C, 39 C-KS, as well as 125 batteries (5-units) C-200-A-CRA, as well as 50 batteries (14-units) and A-C "Osa". For comparison - Iraq in 56 had 1991 C-300 and C-75, 125 SAM "Cube", 114 "Wasp". Secondly, these complexes are mostly catastrophically obsolete. For example, C-80 and C-75, which were in Iraq’s arsenal, were suppressed by noise interference with an 125-10 W / MHz intensity, while the density of interference not created by the newest electronic warfare facilities of the United States reaches 25 kW / MHz. In other words, outdated Soviet-made air defense systems in an attack by the United States or Israel are absolutely useless - as has been shown by the recent example of Libya.

The number of modern anti-aircraft complexes in Syria is extremely limited. These are 28 ZRK "Buk-М1-2" and "Buk-М2E", 36 "Armor-С1", and, probably, 6 С-300. Let's look at this arsenal more closely. “Buk-М1” during the “Five-Day War” created a lot of problems for Russian aviation, but this was caused only by the neglect of electronic warfare at the initial stage. The interference immunity of the complex is very low in practice: “the same Mi-8cm-n-pg (EW helicopter) suppresses the“ Buk-М1 ”so that it cannot work at all”.

As for Pantsir-С1, the opinion of experts about it is also far from enthusiastic. "The real results of firing tests showed a low capability of the complex to fire at targets maneuvering and flying with a course parameter more than 2-3 km; the possibility of firing at targets flying at speeds over 400 m / s was not confirmed, although in the complex performance characteristics the speed is equal to 1000 m / s; the maximum firing range of 20 km is provided for air targets flying at a speed of no more than 80 m / s (at the E-95 target), since the available overload missiles at this range do not exceed 5 units. " The "Tomahawk" speed, by comparison, is 245 m / s.

The advertised C-300 in practice is also not a super-weapon - so, the notorious "high noise immunity" of the complex is in reality quite apocryphal. In other words, Syria’s ability to withstand an air attack is extremely limited.

The "ground" capabilities of the Syrian army, at least in theory, are much more serious. The country has a vast, albeit rather archaic, arsenal. So, the Syrian army is armed with 4750-4950 tanks, including 1500-1700 relatively modern T-72s (in the arsenal of Iraq in front of the Desert Storm consisted of about 1100 such vehicles), five hundred self-propelled guns and about one and a half thousand towed guns. In general, the Syrian land army is relatively equivalent to the Turkish, which, obviously, hinders the activity of Ankara. However, due to Turkey’s gigantic air superiority, Syria has virtually no chance of a clash with its northern neighbor.

Syria’s missile arsenal is quite significant - by the beginning of the crisis, the country had 48 units of Scud missiles with more than 250 missiles with a range of up to 700 km. However, the accuracy of this weapons, and especially its North Korean clone with an increased range, is low (circular probable deviation to 2 km), which makes it difficult to use against "compact" military facilities. Missiles "Point" (about 200 units with 18 launchers) can already be used to strike air bases, etc., but their range is only 70 km. In general, an effective missile attack on military targets in the case of Syria is practically realizable only in the event of a collision with a "compact" Israel.

In other words, it is obvious that Syria will “miss” a limited strike; At the same time, in order to overthrow the legitimate government, a full-fledged and rather costly intervention will be needed, comparable in scale to the “Desert Storm”. Actually, this is a very transparent way determines the current actions of the US administration.

What could be the role of Russia in the case of the implementation of the force scenario? In general, the actual capabilities of the Russian Federation for the "projection of power" in the Eastern Mediterranean are quite limited. The domestic fleet in its current version is radically inferior to the American - in some respects by orders of magnitude. Intervention in the conflict forces fleet outside the confrontation with the United States, it is also difficult: the Russian Navy has very limited capabilities for strikes in the “fleet against the coast” mode - for example, the only Russian aircraft carrier, in fact, is in a “half-ready” state. Any ambitious landing operation is also unrealistic. Syria’s arms supplies are necessary, but it’s impossible to reanimate the Syrian air defense and air force in a short time — this will take at least several years. Unfortunately, Moscow is not able to do more for Damascus than it already does for purely technical reasons. So far, the Russian Federation does not have the force potential sufficient for active actions outside the post-Soviet space.
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 September 2013 06: 55 New
    10
    As I understand it, in Syria, air defense prevails over the Air Force, which suggests that Damascus has long been thinking more about defense, not attack.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 13 September 2013 07: 18 New
      +7
      You didn’t understand anything after September 11, the Yankees were blacklisted, We also checked in, everything was interrupted, and only then we slowly began to engage in Syria, the Yankees very closely followed us and the Jews followed the Syrians, Spit on these conventions when the Jews invaded Gaza, But remember what was happening with us before Syria, only in the last two years before the war with the Democrats a beard began to do something, And these reviews about anything there have lost control even worse and this is very serious, She has practically nothing to answer to the impudent and very serious to the enemy
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 13 September 2013 17: 59 New
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        Russia can restrain Amer’s criminals by simply covering it with its squadron from the sea. Well, the amers are not so crazy that they will climb through Syria through us.
        1. matross
          matross 13 September 2013 18: 19 New
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          Quote: Sandov
          Russia can restrain Amer’s criminals by simply covering it with its squadron from the sea

          Can. If he will have a squadron there. And not that now. And the squadron is battle-worthy, this, unfortunately, is ALL of our Navy, if we talk about surface ships, of course.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 28 New
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      Comparing the arsenal of Syria and the United States is at least incorrect. It is clear that nothing good shines for the Syrians. It is necessary to strengthen the diplomatic direction, unless of course the Americans ALREADY decided to strike.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 September 2013 09: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        Comparing the arsenal of Syria and the United States is at least incorrect. It is clear that nothing good shines for the Syrians. It is necessary to strengthen the diplomatic direction, unless of course the Americans ALREADY decided to strike.

        I agree Rauf.
      2. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 11: 20 New
        -11
        The Americans are already deciding to hit.
        The question is so that their allies do not suffer and who will come to power after the fall of the Assad regime.
        The United States does not want radical bearded men to come to power ...
        When they solve these issues, then they will dump Assad by no means indulging ... they will kill aviation, armored vehicles, artillery, and the rest will be the task of the SSA.
        1. bif
          bif 13 September 2013 21: 06 New
          +2
          We would like to hit, we would have done it a long time ago ... because. lit up the boltology, then bluff and sits.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 September 2013 07: 02 New
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    According to Mr. Pozhidaev (what surname is that), in general, we have air defense systems only against birds! it is not clear then why our "friends" are so "afraid" ?????
    1. paul1969
      paul1969 13 September 2013 12: 01 New
      +1
      this propagandos and provocateur mattress - my opinion!
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 24 New
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      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      According to Mr. Pozhidaev (what surname is that), in general, we have air defense systems only against birds! it is not clear then why our "friends" are so "afraid" ?????

      And we have such a site topwar.ru - not one or two. In their opinion, if only the technical characteristics of the enemy’s weapons prevail or the enemy has some advantages (in the area of ​​the Kyrgyz Republic, the Air Force, the Navy, aircraft carriers - a good example), nuno - put your legs up and your ass ...
      According to their logic, both "Varyag" and the defenders of the Brest Fortress and 28 Panfilovites and the 6th Pskov airborne company did not act wisely ...
    3. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 13 September 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      it seems to me that Eugene got in some way, the article did not bother to think about the purity of the source fellow
  3. Kiliny
    Kiliny 13 September 2013 07: 12 New
    +9
    More than once they wrote about this. But this is the most pessimistic article. In general, everything will depend on the tactical actions of Damascus, the determination of the main directions of the strike, and accordingly the effective dispersal of air defense systems, communications and interaction, etc. Not so bad
  4. Rash
    Rash 13 September 2013 07: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    According to Mr. Pozhidaev (what surname is that), in general, we have air defense systems only against birds! it is not clear then why our "friends" are so "afraid" ?????

    they’re not afraid of Syria, they’re afraid of ours.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Rash
      they’re not afraid of Syria, they’re afraid of ours.

      Do you think Russia will fight with NATO over Syria?
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 13 September 2013 08: 07 New
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        No, this NATO will not fight with us over Syria!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 13 September 2013 08: 14 New
          -2
          In geopolitics, there is no place for capriciousness. Be realistic, if the US has already decided to strike, it will strike anyone. And if the Russian Federation intervenes by shooting down at least one "tomahawk", then this will automatically mean a declaration of war.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 08: 22 New
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            Quote: xetai9977
            Be realistic, if the US has already decided to hit, then they will hit anyone.

            Yes, they’ve already decided, but they don’t beat everyone. Do not know why?
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 13 September 2013 08: 34 New
              +3
              The United States somehow did not differ in listening to other opinions and reading international laws. They didn’t hit, so they have some considerations. But they did not suddenly become humanists ..
              1. GRDS
                GRDS 13 September 2013 08: 46 New
                +5
                Failure to comply with international law will lead to the collapse of the institutions of this law - including the UN, then it will be possible to spit on everything. It will be possible to raze Qatar and the SA into the ground - they are dictators and are not crappy)). And then there will be 3MB.
                I think our "Druzya" are also not fools - they understand that by breaking international law you can get anything you want, including riots on your territory!
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 40 New
                +5
                Quote: xetai9977
                They didn’t hit, so they have some considerations. But they did not suddenly become humanists ..

                They didn’t become humanists, it’s just that those who constantly lie, they no longer believe in him. The USA no longer believes, even their own citizens. The blow must be substantiated, everyone needs proof, but this is not.
              3. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 13 September 2013 18: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: xetai9977
                The United States somehow did not differ in listening to other opinions and reading international laws. They didn’t hit, so they have some considerations. But they did not suddenly become humanists ..


                That is yes. The United States pursues a rare idiotic foreign policy, but the main trouble is still in its democracy. Those who actually own the states must, by mistake, obey the president. And the president has a very independent and multifaceted figure, they will say a word and then do not know how to take it back ...
          2. GRDS
            GRDS 13 September 2013 08: 26 New
            +8
            International law makes it possible to destroy everything that threatens the life of the ship in neutral waters - these include the "Tomahaffk" which flies in the vicinity of the ship.
          3. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 September 2013 08: 57 New
            +6
            Honestly, I take your disadvantages as a compliment for not becoming like some jingoistic patriots shouting "let's drive NATO!" "Breaking China on the knee" "Sinking the US Navy" sitting at their computers and drinking beer, and rejoice that it is not for them to make informed decisions on which the lives of hundreds of millions of people depend. Continue in the same spirit.
            1. optimist
              optimist 13 September 2013 09: 41 New
              -13
              Quote: xetai9977
              Honestly, I take your disadvantages as a compliment for not becoming like some jingoistic patriots shouting "let's drive NATO!" "Breaking China on the knee" "Sinking the US Navy" sitting at their computers and drinking beer, and rejoice that it is not for them to make informed decisions on which the lives of hundreds of millions of people depend. Continue in the same spirit.

              Pay no attention, dear. It's just that many people want to believe in the fairy tale "About how the Great Pu stopped the war." Amers are not idiots and understand that retreating, they will screw up to the fullest. They probably have a pack of aces up their sleeves, like a seasoned sharper. So it's too early to salute from victorious guns ...
              1. matross
                matross 13 September 2013 12: 05 New
                +6
                Quote: optimist
                Amer is not an idiot and they understand that having retreated, they screw up to the fullest.

                Not the idiots could well have calculated the situation with the allies and opponents in advance. But they didn’t count ...
                And now, screwed up, they are afraid to act, so as not to aggravate this.
                Quote: optimist
                many people want to believe in the fairy tale "About how the Great Pu stopped the war."

                Would you like Putin screwed up? Gloating? Is your surname not Navalny? negative
                1. optimist
                  optimist 13 September 2013 13: 06 New
                  -6
                  Quote: matRoss
                  Would you like Putin screwed up? Gloating? Is your surname not Navalny?

                  some too straightforward thinking. if against the gdp with his accomplices thieves, then be sure for another thief?
                  1. smart ass
                    smart ass 13 September 2013 14: 31 New
                    +3
                    I’m always interested in the opinion of a person .. Tell me if the president is not a GDP now, then who is your worthy to hold this post ??? Specifically, please tell me the last name /
                    1. optimist
                      optimist 13 September 2013 14: 37 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Clever man
                      Namely a surname please call me /

                      Do you seriously think that in the 140-millin country there is no substitute for the Yeltsin-Chubais you. Have you ever heard of people like Kvachkov, Khabarov, Rokhlin? But this is bad luck: they are all either sitting or killed ....
                      1. matross
                        matross 13 September 2013 14: 53 New
                        0
                        Quote: optimist
                        Kvachkov, Khabarov, Rokhlin

                        Quote: optimist
                        either sitting or killed

                        Dear people. But still alive, the scale is too small.
                        I'm sorry to intervene hi
                      2. optimist
                        optimist 13 September 2013 16: 12 New
                        +2
                        Quote: matRoss
                        But still alive, the scale is too small.

                        Judging by the number of minuses, putinoid today exacerbation. Still, Friday the 13th !!! laughing
                      3. Vlad Gore
                        Vlad Gore 19 September 2013 14: 25 New
                        0
                        I respect the people listed by you. But you clearly lack the argumentation of your point of view. And the reference to different "exacerbations" there is clearly not an argument. smile
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 13 September 2013 11: 04 New
          +8
          Quote: xetai9977
          sitting at computers and drinking beer, and rejoice that it is not for them to make informed decisions on which the lives of hundreds of millions of people depend. Continue in the same spirit.

          Quote: optimist
          "About how the Great Pu stopped the war"
          -
          Listen, dear non-patriots, blows where? Where are the blows of the Americans, if you believe that it was not the efforts of Russia in the person of its political leaders that stopped the US aggression? Where are the blows? Where is the attack? Why have you put the pros here? Okay, you can agree that
          Quote: xetai9977
          "Let's drive NATO!"

          - stupidity, but you will prove that to bend any country that will enjoy ALL (political, diplomatic, resource, economic, up to MILITARY) support of Russia! "is not the same, if not a great stupidity laughing We do not take the Middle East of the 50s-80s as an example - NATO was not close there, whatever you were aware of, these are local conflicts. Take Vietnam, the Korean conflict - and so on - there was the United States as the main NATO member. And now, since you accused the hurray-patriots of stupidity, prove the opposite, prove that your statement (and therefore, you yourself are not stupid) "NATO will bend Russia!" Is not stupid. Start, you accused, you will prove that themselves are not like that.
          1. optimist
            optimist 13 September 2013 11: 13 New
            -3
            Quote: aksakal
            Listen, dear non-patriots, blows where?

            Stretch your memory, dear, and remember Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. And those "performances" that were played before the blows. In the case of Syria, only the next act has been played, but the "play" has not yet been completed. Listening to these "optimists", I recall an incident from my life: I brought my 5-year-old son for vaccination. He, watching as the nurse took medicine into the syringe, kept repeating: "No, she will not give an injection !!!" laughing But we are adults and we understand. that the "injection" will be made necessarily. The whole question is just when and how ...
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 13 September 2013 14: 02 New
              +8
              Aksakal, if he is indeed an aksakal, and not a plagiarist of a name, is always distinguished by a balanced judgment. And this user of another name cannot say a word without insults. All the misfortunes of the patriots are that they do not come from realism, but live in a virtual world. Patriotism is a great thing, but only it should not be based on illusions. Otherwise, it will not be patriotism, but hatred. What this threatens, we all remember very well.
              1. optimist
                optimist 13 September 2013 14: 44 New
                -2
                Quote: xetai9977
                Patriotism is a great thing, but only it should not be based on illusions. Otherwise, it will not be patriotism, but hatred. What this threatens, we all remember very well.

                Gold words! In 1914, the same "would-be heroes" were going to give "lyuly" to the Germans. And they fertilized the fields of Galicia and other questionable areas with their bodies. Putler now needs to switch the attention of the people from internal problems to external ones (like Nikolashka in 1914). Only to threaten the Americans in the Internet posts is one thing, and to feed the worms in the ground for the dubious interests of the authorities is another ...
                1. VDV 80-82
                  VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 18: 34 New
                  -2
                  Ha! the dubious interests of the authorities ... didn’t we choose Putin to represent our interests ??? This is the President of Russia! not Azerbaijan ... and it represents the interests of Russia, and not your country! therefore, to decide the questions of war and peace for HIM !!!
                  1. matross
                    matross 13 September 2013 18: 40 New
                    -2
                    Quote: VDV 80-82
                    solve issues of war and peace for him !!!

                    5 points! But the champion is “Zenith” !!! laughing
                  2. optimist
                    optimist 13 September 2013 21: 32 New
                    -2
                    Quote: VDV 80-82
                    therefore, to decide the questions of war and peace for HIM !!!

                    Well then, go to Syria as a volunteer, and when the local bearded men catch you and start chopping a penis into nickels, yell "For Russia, for Putin !!!" laughing
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 13 September 2013 12: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: aksakal
            Take Vietnam, the Korean conflict - and so on - there were the United States as the main member of NATO.

            Aksakal, you, as Aksakal, should be wise.
            And you equate the Union with oligarchic Russia, where the ball is ruled not by ideology, but by money. This also needs to be taken into account.
            Quote: optimist
            In the case of Syria, only the next act was played, but the "play" is not finished yet

            But this expression is much closer to the truth than shouting about the victory of Russia. I would really like to, but there is one small nuance. The script is not Russia and the director is not Putin, the figure is of course, but by no means a queen. I would put it in chess terminology, he should become a horse, in which case he could bounce in time, and try to attack the queen. And he climbed the rooks in this matter, he is a powerful, but straight-forward figure, and they are usually exchanged. And the reason for this behavior is not in politics and in economics, in money. And maybe also in mysticism, in occultism. Who knows. You believe in Allah or someone else, and he is also a person, and who knows what sauce is in theirs bashki is boiled.
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 13 September 2013 13: 09 New
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Aksakal, you, as Aksakal, should be wise.
              And you equate the Union with oligarchic Russia, where the ball is ruled not by ideology, but by money. This also needs to be taken into account.

              I agree. It seems that this "sage" does not quite understand what he is talking about. And the "play" has really not been played yet. The United States does not like to be in the role of losers, and for sure they have considered the options with opposition from Russia and the situation with chemical weapons. Everything will be clear in the near future. Already today, according to Euronews, one of the UN inspectors who visited Syria, in an interview with the host, doubted the possibility of implementing Russia's plan for international control over chemical weapons and indirectly confirmed the need to overthrow Assad and take the country under control. Prepare public opinion for blows.
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              And you equate the Union with oligarchic Russia, where the ball is ruled not by ideology, but by money. This also needs to be taken into account.

              ... do not forget, dear opponent, in Russia, Russian people still live. And they have their own opinions on everything around. And we’ll deal with the Alegharchs ourselves, as well as with the liberoids ...
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 13 September 2013 16: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                And we’ll deal with the Alegharchs ourselves, as well as with the liberoids ...

                Yes, for 20 years we have been dealing with the "alegarchs" (oligarchs) and for 13 years together with Vladimir Vladimirich, dear Rus, but something bad is going on. Isn't it time to change the dismantlers?
                Quote: Rus2012
                Russian people still live

                Many of the Russian people do not live, but exist, because such a life cannot be called life. But the "Russians" here often live and flourish. When will we start to understand Rus?
            3. olviko
              olviko 13 September 2013 16: 31 New
              +2
              Well, come. The pawns began to speculate who the queen is and how to walk.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 13 September 2013 16: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: olviko
                Well, come. The pawns began to speculate who the queen is and how to walk.

                But who should argue then? He should represent yours and my interests, and not the interests of John and Samantha. We should also reason, my dear.
          3. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 13 September 2013 14: 31 New
            +3
            I think the United States and Israel liked the idea of ​​waiting with a blow in exchange for the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons arsenals. Put the country in control without war ... Work with the media. Prepare more carefully ... And then find another reason ...
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 September 2013 09: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        There is no place for hatred in geopolitics. Be realistic, if the US has already decided to hit, then they will hit any

        They’ll hit, they won’t hit, time will tell. But it’s for sure that some kind of dirty trick was started with this international control over Assad’s chemical weapons. Something was very smooth there, at first Kerry voiced, then Putin made a proposal, he was amicably supported. that they threw the bait, the fish swallowed, it’s left to hook. In the foreign press, the publications go in the style that since this is an initiative of Russia, they should embody it and be responsible for it. goals can only guess.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 13 September 2013 15: 12 New
          +5
          Do not forget and not the poor Saudis with the Qatari. They have already spent more than one billion, trying to overthrow Assad. They agreed to even reimburse expenses to the anti-Assad alliance. They could throw another five billion. It does not seem that they are determined to retreat. They will put pressure on the allies with tripled energy, if only to achieve the goal.
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah 14 September 2013 05: 26 New
            0
            Quote: xetai9977
            Do not forget and not the poor Saudis with the Qatari.

            That's it. Once they have oil. And there is very little democracy. And what else does Amers need. They are on the move, no matter who they bomb.
            I think no one will object to the democratization of these rich Pinocchio.
            Unless the Pinocchio themselves. It’s time for some to think.
      3. kostyan77708
        kostyan77708 13 September 2013 10: 22 New
        +3
        it won’t be ... a rocket is not a plane or a ship ... Iran intercepted UAVs, so they didn’t attack it ...
      4. uhu189
        uhu189 13 September 2013 12: 27 New
        +1
        Will not be, especially automatically. Since the declaration of war will hit the United States and NATO as negatively as the Russian Federation. Why do you think that for the Russian Federation this will be a disaster, but not for the West? War is a mutual evil, and I’m not sure that the United States is ready to declare war on Russia with ease after countering their attack on Syria. By the same logic, when NATO helped Georgia in the 2008 year by providing data from its AWACS aircraft about the air situation - was this an occasion to declare war?
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 45 New
          0
          Quote: uhu189
          Since the declaration of war will hit the United States and NATO as negatively as the Russian Federation

          We forget to take into account the factor of violation of international law established after 2MV ...
          And this is much more serious than Syria, Iran, etc.
          After this event, the role of force, its use, as well as all other humanistic ideas and spells of liberoids will come to a new application and balance. And it’s not a fact that everyone will like it, the Yankees and other trash ... The outlines and contours are already visible (RF + PRC, SCO, EURASES ...), and they really don’t like it ...
          The world will be completely different ...
          And soon ...
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 13 September 2013 14: 52 New
            +2
            I am afraid that the fact of violating international law is a thing that has already happened, unfortunately ... You yourself wrote about this in your penultimate article ...
      5. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        if the Russian Federation intervenes by knocking down at least one "tomahawk" then this will automatically mean a declaration of war.

        ... is that what you decided?
        For information, in recent days, the Russian fleet in the middle-earth was only occupied with the task of training to bring down KPs.
        Read the Pandos Press ...
  • tungus
    tungus 13 September 2013 07: 16 New
    +5
    The article does not take into account the factor of Iran, which has already stated that it will fit into the war by any means if the amers do start it. And Iran is not Iraq at all. This is 80 million people, a half-million army and its military-industrial complex. And Iraq can also support the Syrians. And although he will not fight directly with the United States, he can send several thousand terrorist fighters to both Israel and the Saudis or Turks. But only the lazy did not write about the Russian fleet, which could significantly supplement the means of detecting Syrian air defense.
    So, not everything is so simple with Syria. That is why amers have a jerk and not confidence.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: tungus
      Iran factor not taken into account

      If Iran intervenes, and the Iranians are not fools to openly intervene, then this will be a real gift for Israel and the United States. They have long been looking for a reason to strike Iran, and here the reason is already on a silver platter. Iran’s participation will be limited to a couple of other sabotage and several shelling, they will not risk more. The forces are not enough to oppose the US alliance + ALLIES + ISRAEL.
      1. tungus
        tungus 13 September 2013 10: 39 New
        10
        Iran will fit in any way. Actually, they have already announced this.
        The fact is that there are no fools in Iran, and they understand that they are after Syria in any way. And therefore, they have nothing to lose.
        Moreover, it was not for nothing that Iranian generals came to Moscow, as the Kuwaiti press wrote in particular. The issues of interaction were resolved. And Russia, in the event of the outbreak of war, will arm Iran, and may now arm it through third countries. So is China. Because, we do not need the US access to the Caspian Sea and the blazing Caucasus, and China under no circumstances agrees to lose Iranian oil, which today is 20 percent of Chinese consumption.
        And therefore, Iran will fit into Syria. He understands that in the war he will be helped by two superpowers. And he has no choice, because otherwise he cannot survive.
        And this will be the third world. Israel will be plowed from three sides, from Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq-Iran will strike from there. And Iran will block the Strait of Hormuz, good is what. Well, the Saudis will not be good.
        And the most interesting, the states understand this. That is why we have been hearing formidable statements for weeks now, but we don’t see any actions. And NATO also withdrew for a reason, because in Europe there are no fools either, except for Hollande.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: tungus
          And the most interesting, the states understand this.

          In the states, two forces are fighting: the Rodhilts & Rockefellers.
          Moreover, those that are for the war - they say paid by the Saudis.
          It will not work for a long time to pull out - they will ask you to answer for obligations ...
          But, there is a third option - to remove the lender! :) It is in the spirit of a cowboy ...
          So what are we waiting for-sss
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah 14 September 2013 05: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            remove the lender! :)

            !!!
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        If Iran intervenes

        China intervenes, do not you?
    2. alone
      alone 13 September 2013 21: 32 New
      0
      the intervention will receive a blow to nuclear facilities. The Iranian Air Force and Air Defense are almost not far behind the Syrian. All the same junk. And the economic situation is depressing.
  • left-wing
    left-wing 13 September 2013 07: 40 New
    +4
    Our fleet does not need to enter into a confrontation with the US fleet, they have talked about this more than once, but our fleet can shoot down Axes quite successfully.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 September 2013 08: 08 New
      0
      "Shoot down axes" in your opinion does not mean confrontation?
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 13 September 2013 09: 56 New
        +3
        does not mean.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          does not mean.

          + 1!
    2. Horla
      Horla 13 September 2013 10: 51 New
      +1
      Only flying towards our ships.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 September 2013 13: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Horla
        Only flying towards our ships.

        the fleet is built so that they don’t fly by ...
        1. alone
          alone 13 September 2013 21: 35 New
          0
          and the Israeli or Lebanese territorial waters of the Russian ships do not. How will they shoot down missiles that fly through Israel?
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 14 September 2013 03: 32 New
            0
            Our ships have a security architecture built in such a way that even if a target of any type passes along a tangent trajectory, the target is fixed, followed and computational measurements are taken. If measurements are promptly delivered to the Syrians, the target can be shot down even in "manual mode", which any "square" can handle in 15-20 seconds.
  • regdan
    regdan 13 September 2013 07: 52 New
    +4
    Article is garbage. Another expert decided to write an article. Firstly, there will be no blow to Syria. The gop company’s money is dumb. Secondly, 90% of Americans want to lynch Barack Huseynovich, this is the most dangerous for Gutalin. Thirdly, they will shoot down flying axes, which so successfully advertised on false and corrupt media. This will strike under the breath of the American military-industrial complex. And if the American longboat is drowned, and Syria can do it, then the blow will already be below the belt. Russia and China will track ax throws and transmit information to the Syrian army. Each general in each country will demand money from his parliament, president, prime minister and council of elders for the purchase of Russian weapons. Every politician in every country will try to make an image for himself in Russian arms. He will go to Moscow and if he doesn’t get an audience with the Most Unimpressed, he will definitely visit the Russian military-industrial complex. And if you manage to conclude a contract for the purchase of Russian weapons will become a political heavyweight in your region. It is more correct to consider what will be good for the United States whether they strike or do not strike. Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 13 September 2013 08: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: regdan
      Another expert decided to write an article.

      This "next examination" from a cohort of people who scream, the Americans have all the most, the most ..., and everyone else has pus.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 13 September 2013 07: 54 New
    -6
    Of course, the article is plus, the person wrote, he worked. For labor, plus. But you couldn’t strain. It’s all known that we have the strength to protect ourselves now, I’m silent about putting pressure on anyone (except the same Latvia or Estonia). In addition to nuclear weapons, we do not have a real strike force.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 13 September 2013 13: 51 New
      +3
      There are real forces or not, only the General Staff knows, well, the Commander-in-Chief from the Defense Ministry! So let's talk about it better! And then there are so many strategists and tactics, I won’t save! And what to be, not to be avoided! Guess, not guess, but there will be what is destined !!!
  • GRDS
    GRDS 13 September 2013 08: 03 New
    +9
    "The advertised S-300 in practice is also not a superweapon - so, the notorious" high noise immunity "of the complex in reality is quite apocryphal. In other words, Syria's ability to resist an air attack is extremely limited."

    Minus. A person who does not know how the complex works with active jamming judges the inability of the complex to work on goals. At our complexes, in the 90s, it was possible for a short time to change the purity to any of the "I will not tell you the number, who knows who knows" of different ranges. It is very problematic to score all frequencies. And this was on the old S-300 complexes, I think that now the modernized complexes will have better noise immunity.
    1. GRDS
      GRDS 13 September 2013 09: 50 New
      +1
      I apologize not for PURITY, but for FREQUENCY!
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 13 September 2013 13: 53 New
        +1
        Error words, but not thoughts ....
    2. 787nkx
      787nkx 13 September 2013 11: 02 New
      +4
      In practice, the S-300 has been tested, as a system (more than one SAM), can work effectively with any electronic countermeasures.
    3. kostya_a
      kostya_a 13 September 2013 15: 00 New
      +2
      I agree, the S-300 is really unique and the Yankees still can’t get it. And the fact that the article is written about supposedly not able to bring down maneuverable targets, complete nonsense. It was created as a continuation of the Tunguska, which could do this, moreover, in automatic tracking mode.
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 13 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    The author does not take into account the fighting spirit of the Syrians. This will be World War II for them! hi
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 13 September 2013 09: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      The author does not take into account the fighting spirit of the Syrians. This will be World War II for them! : hee:
      If the same fighting spirit as in 1967 and 1973, then polar foxes will be established in Syria. And even if by some miracle they gained this spirit, it will not replace either modern technology, which is negligible there, nor even the ability to use it, which the Arabs have always lacked.
      But Obama is unlikely to start throwing axes, at least not during a discussion of Putin's idea of ​​eliminating chemical weapons in Syria. And diplomatic processes usually do not move fast.
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 14 September 2013 05: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        fighting spirit

        A civil war has been going on in the country for 2 years, but all the chanterelles are gone.
        Is this talking about something?
  • major071
    major071 13 September 2013 09: 08 New
    +7
    Most likely the author took all the data from the same articles of prominent "professionals" of military affairs. Plus for the work to the author. Article minus for non-professionalism.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 13 September 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    Quote: GRDS
    At our complexes, in the 90s there was an opportunity to change within a short time purity
    That is, how is it, such as preparing for the arrival of a higher authority? To all personnel on a broomstick and a rag and cleanliness from the fence to lunch? Or did you still mean frequencies?
    1. GRDS
      GRDS 13 September 2013 09: 45 New
      0
      Sorry "ochipyatka" came out repeat
      Of course, FREQUENCIES!
      Thank you for correcting!
  • mitya24
    mitya24 13 September 2013 09: 46 New
    -1
    [quote = links] but our fleet can shoot down Axes quite successfully. [Many such assumptions have appeared recently. It is not clear where such confidence comes from. Or our fleet, perhaps, had once shot down these very axes. I don’t remember something, to be honest. The experience is dull. Yes, our boats have recently begun to walk more than before. To friends, for example, to Venezuela and Cuba, to drive Somali pirates - that’s yes, I won’t argue, but I don’t remember remembering to scoff at the axes ...
    S-300 is the same story. As they say little empiricism. No one knows how the complex will behave under the current conditions. In 99 this experience could have been accumulated, but then the Yeltsin testes did not have enough coolness to protect the Slavs. But now, because of the Arabs 3, the world is not in a bastard to start.
    1. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      Slavs Slavs discord! there are Poles, too, supposedly Slavs ... and such scum ... you still need to search!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 13 September 2013 09: 48 New
    +2
    All-weather experts breed just like after the rain!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 September 2013 09: 50 New
    +2
    Well, for example, an ax will fly into the air defense of the ship, they can shoot it down, hell knows what’s on its mind, it can fly to us.
  • nod739
    nod739 13 September 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    should not be underestimated
    in 67, 2 Egyptian Soviet-style mosquito boats launched the Jewish destroyer Eilat, firing two missiles
    Of course p-15 is an obsolete weapon, but Yahont means something quite
    1. kostya_a
      kostya_a 13 September 2013 15: 06 New
      0
      Too far gone at 67. During the 1st Lebanon war, an Israeli boat decided to fix something and fell into the area of ​​action of improvised Hezbollah missiles. It was with such a rocket that they hit it. Lucky that this is an Iranian copy of the Chinese copy of the French anti-ship missiles ... oh how! In short, it exploded, and it got into the hangar. It all ended in fire, barely extinguished. And here are the Yakhonts, who act as part of a group, one leading the rest of the followers. They can be detected only when approaching!
  • olviko
    olviko 13 September 2013 10: 15 New
    0
    The article is not very, especially about Russian potential. The fleet can not, it cannot, for which then so many ships were collected in this Mediterranean puddle. For show-offs? The topic of radio electronic warfare is not disclosed, as if only the West has such means, or are their missiles and planes not affected by R.E. interference? Although, of course, it is clear that the author, as in the rest of us all, does not have information about what was brought to Syria over the previous couple of years, it is accordingly difficult to judge the true possibilities.
  • Vityaz68
    Vityaz68 13 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +2
    I THINK THAT RUSSIA HAS SUFFICIENTLY MILITARY FORCES AND EFFICIENCIES OPPOSING AMERICA!
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 13 September 2013 10: 18 New
    0
    Comrades, when discussing the topic of outdated air defense, one should not discount the fact that the famous "stealth aircraft" F-117 was shot down in 97-98, I don’t remember exactly when, but shot down by our Soviet "Cub", developed in the 60-70s. And the more modern S-300s will still be cooler, which is why the United States is afraid to go there so easily. Moreover, there is information that at the end of August they shot down an F-22 and four tomahawks. So they quieted down.
    1. alone
      alone 13 September 2013 21: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Sunjar
      Comrades, when discussing the topic of outdated air defense, one should not discount the fact that the famous "stealth aircraft" F-117 was shot down in 97-98, I don’t remember exactly when, but shot down by our Soviet "Cub", developed in the 60-70s.


      Yugoslavs claimed that he was shot down from s-125.
  • Sergeant
    Sergeant 13 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Vityaz68
    I THINK THAT RUSSIA HAS SUFFICIENTLY MILITARY FORCES AND EFFICIENCIES OPPOSING AMERICA!


    No, do not think so, unfortunately ...
    There are also effective forces, but far from enough .. For too long, they did not do that ...

    In the near future we need to wait for some trick or provocation (political): they will try to put us in our place ... Is it sustainable?
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 13 September 2013 10: 58 New
      0
      The answer of amers should be adequate.
      Such stress, and in a constructive way, a lot of good things can be done.
    2. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 18: 43 New
      +2
      sergeant! the defeat begins not on the battlefield, but in the head! who are you scared of? weapons must be able to use! and the Yankees are not so omnipotent at all, so get the rubbish out of your head! since Putin decided to break s, then he will break! not just because he rested his horn!
  • eplewke
    eplewke 13 September 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    The author's soap! Raving! I mixed all the domestic equipment with dirt. Even the S-300 ... In the furnace of such observers ...
  • Bob
    Bob 13 September 2013 10: 54 New
    0
    "Unfortunately, Moscow is unable to do more for Damascus than it is already doing for purely technical reasons."
    That is why, to protect Syria, you should call on China, which has great interest in Iran and in Syria as a consequence, too. The military potential of China in comparison with the Russian Federation (not in the nuclear segment) is approximately equal, and in some elements (the possibility of mobilizing troops) is an order of magnitude superior.
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 11: 41 New
    -2
    Quote: xetai9977
    Honestly, I take your disadvantages as a compliment for not becoming like some jingoistic patriots shouting "let's drive NATO!" "Breaking China on the knee" "Sinking the US Navy" sitting at their computers and drinking beer, and rejoicing that it is not for them to make informed decisions on which the lives of hundreds of millions of people depend.

    Right The less jingoism, the healthier the nation as a whole.
    In addition, NATO has nothing to bend except nuclear weapons, and China has nothing, and this is nuclear weapons and they have them in normal quantities.
  • VladimS
    VladimS 13 September 2013 11: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    According to Mr. Pozhidaev (what surname is that), in general, we have air defense systems only against birds! it is not clear then why our "friends" are so "afraid" ?????


    This is to make us uncertain. Everything is lost, everything is lost !!
    This is what he is waiting for. And it’s quite obvious whose mill ...
    Connection with the historical Motherland, it is invisible. Well, how not to help.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 September 2013 11: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    Quote: Rash
    they’re not afraid of Syria, they’re afraid of ours.

    Do you think Russia will fight with NATO over Syria?
    no, but if necessary, Russia will defend its interests. angry
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 11: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Bob
    That is why, to protect Syria, you should call on China, which has great interest in Iran and in Syria as a consequence, too.

    The USA and Europe are the main markets for Chinese products.
    In the Chinese, for round idiots, do you keep chtol? What hangover China to quarrel with the main trading partners? Because of some Assad Shmassad there? laughing
    1. Bob
      Bob 13 September 2013 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: FireFly
      The USA and Europe are the main markets for Chinese products.

      So it was and so it is. But this does not mean that it will always be so. Learn China, dear. Study the party’s program documents and see that China is no longer what it was yesterday. And everything is changing, and not for the better for the West. Therefore, they are furious ...
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 14 September 2013 05: 49 New
      0
      Quote: FireFly
      What hangover China to quarrel with the main trading partners?

      Trading partners are famous for the fact that they love to throw everyone who can not give them a brazen red face.
      So it can climb and will not, but they will show the fist.
  • Lockbase170
    Lockbase170 13 September 2013 11: 48 New
    0
    "Large wardrobe, falls loudly!" Sometimes you don't need to have a superweapon to bite off eggs ...
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 11: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    no, but if necessary, Russia will defend its interests.

    Now explain to me what interests Russia has in Syria (except for the free distribution of weapons to Assad)?
    1. Lockbase170
      Lockbase170 13 September 2013 11: 59 New
      +1
      And what are the interests of the United States in Syria, except for the free distribution of weapons to the rebels?
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 12: 11 New
        0
        No need to answer a question with a question - the resource is positioned as Russian ... laughing
        So all the same: what interests does Russia have in Syria (except for the free distribution of weapons to Assad)?
        1. Lockbase170
          Lockbase170 13 September 2013 12: 44 New
          +1
          A reliable trading partner ... at least
          1. alone
            alone 13 September 2013 21: 41 New
            0
            belay which is traded in loans and then written off fellow and this is called reliable trading request
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 13 September 2013 14: 05 New
          +1
          Europe feeds on gas from Gazprom, and with the fall of Syria, a pipe will be laid from Arabia to a straight line and a kerdyk to "our" Gazprom, and how much goes to the RUSSIAN budget from Gazprom? That is the answer why RUSSIA is harnessed to Syria!
        3. Onotollah
          Onotollah 14 September 2013 06: 01 New
          0
          Quote: FireFly
          what interests do Russia have in Syria

          Elementary Watson:
          Strategic.
          Stability, at least relative at the southern borders. Non-proliferation of various "democratic" revolutions and their consequences on the countries bordering on us. Territorial integrity of Russia in the future.
          Political.
          Formation of a new center of political forces.
          Financial.
          Are these weapons free?
          Again advertising - see how aggression with Russian weapons is successfully reflected. What is hinting at.
          The gas pipeline again.
          Moral.
          Poke in the poop with the muzzle of sworn friends.
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 13 September 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      Yes, damn it, Assad will fall, a gas pipeline will pass to the Mediterranean from Qatar to Europe. For this alone it is time to bomb this Qatar. In addition, search the Internet for "Israel's borders along the Torah", and what Russia stood up to you will become clear.
    3. olviko
      olviko 13 September 2013 14: 09 New
      +1
      The answer is contained in the text of the so-called The Doha Protocol, published on the website of the Algerian newspaper L′Expression. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are promised contracts for the restoration of Syria after the end of the conflict in exchange for privileges in oil and gas production in Syria and on the Mediterranean shelf off its coast. In addition, Syria is ordered to allow Qatar to conduct a gas pipeline through its territory to Turkey and from there to Europe. And here are the main points of the Doha Pact. They annul all Syria’s agreements with Russia and China in the areas of armament and exploration of oil and other natural resources, freezing all relations with Iran, Russia and China. For Russia, as you probably understand, this is the loss of tens of billions of bucks. Among other things, in the Syrian Tartus there is a logistics point of the Russian Navy - the only Russian base in the far abroad where ships of the Russian navy in the Mediterranean can be based. If Bashar al-Assad leaves, “In the geostrategic sense: we may lose our presence in the Mediterranean. Then the logic may be this: they will lock the Bosphorus and Dardanelles for our Black Sea Fleet, and we will lose access to the World Ocean here, but find ourselves in the Black Sea basin. Further, after Syria, there will be Iran. After the destruction of Syria, Turkey, unambiguously, is turning in the direction of the North Caucasus and the Black Sea basin, and begins a political and economic offensive in this direction. In all this action, the main goal of the West is not Syria. Syria is just an obstacle that needs to be removed. And the goals are Russia and China. ” Well, not enough? Let's continue. Tens of thousands of Russian citizens live in Syria, mainly women and children, and Russia, like any self-respecting state, is obliged to protect them, by all means, up to armed intervention. Do you doubt it? look at the USA, try to offend their citizen, immediately get greetings from the aircraft carrier.
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 16: 02 New
        -2
        Here, children, all the interests of Russia in Syria have become clear.
        It turns out that there is no brotherhood, there is no friendship of peoples, there is a bare mercantile interest laughing
        1. olviko
          olviko 13 September 2013 16: 49 New
          0
          Well, you see how good it is! Finally, enlightenment has come upon you.
          We feel social disasters as much as they affect our affairs. Titus Livy

          Source: http://www.probydis.ru/aforizmy-po-temam/aforizmy-o-obshchestve/1232-aforizmy-o-
          interesah-obschestva-i-lichnosti.html
          © Relizz.com
        2. Onotollah
          Onotollah 14 September 2013 06: 06 New
          0
          You say so as if it’s bad.
          And yet, our cunning Vi, they asked us for interests, that's why.
  • Lockbase170
    Lockbase170 13 September 2013 12: 15 New
    0
    My personal opinion is this: the United States needs to move the "prickly" Assad in order to get into Syria. they like them there fought internecine strife, but we do not need this on many counts, from political to financial economic .. "This is our area, and we protect it." "" For a kid "- go out, or you will get a bite ..."
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 12: 28 New
      0
      Are you so rich to afford it?
      After all, all this is money from your personal pockets, which you simply give to a ball to some mustached uncle for distant lands.
      Of course, your business ... As they say, the rich have their own quirks ... laughing
      1. Lockbase170
        Lockbase170 13 September 2013 12: 36 New
        +4
        A good show is more expensive than money! Without investing a penny, you can’t raise a ruble;)
        1. FireFly
          FireFly 13 September 2013 13: 13 New
          -3
          IMHO, there are only losses, throw money in there or not ...
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 13 September 2013 14: 55 New
        0
        We give much more to this guy having an "independent" central bank ... Although, it would be high time for our efforts to have a normal naval base and an airfield in Syria.
        1. FireFly
          FireFly 13 September 2013 16: 05 New
          -1
          It’s better to have it all on your territory, since in Syria you have to give up everything. Money down the drain.
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 12: 22 New
    -2
    Quote: aksakal
    And now, since you have accused the hurray-patriots of stupidity, prove the opposite, prove that your statement (and, therefore, you yourself are not stupid) "NATO will bend Russia!" Is not stupidity.

    And the meaning of NATO to bend Russia?
    What does Russia have that cannot be bought cheaper in another country?
    Oil / gas is a temporary phenomenon, the United States will become exporters of resource importers in a couple of years, and then oil / gas from the Middle East will go to Europe (infrastructure is already under construction), and yours will not be needed because of the high cost .. What do you have to offer the world besides hydrocarbons?

    ZY M. Leontiev, "Gazprom that burst"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQIUue8GS2w
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 13 September 2013 13: 26 New
      0
      If you can take it like that, then why buy? In any case, the idea is in this, and Russia has it all.
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 13 September 2013 14: 12 New
      +1
      FireFly-IN RUSSIA, there is ALL that is not in the West! I’m not going to list it, it’s not in vain that they will bury us for so many centuries !!! If RUSSIA decides to close the borders, it will live well without the West !!!
      1. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 15: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        I’m not going to list it, it’s not in vain that they will bury us for so many centuries !!! If RUSSIA decides to close the borders, it will live well without the West !!!

        It seems to be so, but only the situation has slightly changed, especially in the energy sphere - the next revolution has ripened with new sources of energy.
        This means that the West will practically never need your resources very soon, except that China will take at very ridiculous prices ...
        And if you also close yourself with everything else, then slide down to the level of North Korea. Do you need it?
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 13 September 2013 13: 19 New
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    Of course, the "first flyweight" against the "heavy" in the ring has no chance.
    But we still have time to add a couple of gadgets to the glove of the first while we are looking for a referee who will take the shame to announce the start of the fight, I'm sorry, beating ..
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 September 2013 13: 52 New
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    The analysis is realistic. For screamers, like a break, it's like a sobering cold shower.
    It is clear that the author is repelled by the attack on Iraq, comparing its then potential with the current Syrian one.
    As for the strength of the domestic fleet, it is, to my great regret, and with pain in my heart, this is a bitter truth.
    In such analyzes, in my opinion, it is better to overestimate the enemy and underestimate yourself.
    Russia already threw Japanese hats over, and in the First World War took Berlin, almost a month later, and the Finns in 1939, and before the Second World War ...
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 13 September 2013 15: 04 New
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      And all the more valuable for our fleet is the opportunity to conduct training on the detection, transmission of target designations and the destruction of tomahawks in a combat situation. Nobody will start a war with us because of this ... Firstly, we will not kill anyone ... Secondly, the truth is on our side. In the third point of the Americans not iron they also want to live ...
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 13 September 2013 15: 37 New
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        And all the more valuable for our fleet is the opportunity to conduct training on the detection, transmission of target designations and the destruction of tomahawks in a combat situation. Nobody will start a war with us because of this ... Firstly, we will not kill anyone ... Secondly, the truth is on our side. In the third point of the Americans not iron they also want to live ...

        I absolutely agree with you, but one is not opposed to the other. smile
      2. FireFly
        FireFly 13 September 2013 15: 58 New
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        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        And all the more valuable for our fleet is the opportunity to conduct training on the detection, transmission of target designations and the destruction of tomahawks in a combat situation. Nobody will start a war with us because of this.

        And all the countries present there will at the same time test their weapons and electronic warfare in combat
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 14 September 2013 06: 21 New
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      Quote: Peaceful military
      Russia already threw Japanese hats over, and in the First World War took Berlin, almost a month later, and the Finns in 1939, and before the Second World War ...

      All this is true, but let me say:
      Quote: Peaceful military
      and the Japanese
      after there was Khalkhin Gol and the defeat of the Kwantung Army.
      Quote: Peaceful military
      and in World War I took Berlin
      before that they took it and after that they took it.
      Quote: Peaceful military
      and Finns in 1939
      and the Finns too.
      Quote: Peaceful military
      and before the Second World War ...
      after WWII
      Story sir ...
  • FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 14: 07 New
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    Quote: Max Otto
    If you can take it like that, then why buy? In any case, the idea is in this, and Russia has it all.

    What do you think it means to take it like this?
    If the war, then this is a complex matter, long in time and very costly, and it’s not at all a fact that profits will cover losses.
    And given the complexity of production and transportation, it is much more profitable to trade, looking in parallel with other suppliers with more reasonable prices, especially since there are many profitable offers around the world.
    Only China needs to fight ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 September 2013 14: 22 New
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    The article, of course, is correct in the sense of armament .... But the author did not take into account one important circumstance: the SPIRIT FORCE of the Syrian people. In the event of a fall in legal power in Syria, a massacre will begin (Iraq, Libya, these were flowers) .. The situation is already destroying Syria only as a single state but also the majority of the population (ethnic religious cleansing) .. and the next will be Russia and they all understand this very well. I think if there begins a massacre then Russia should stand there to die as in 41st near Moscow until the use of nuclear weapons ( God forbid .. !!) These are the things in the tank troops ...
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 15: 46 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      But the author did not take into account one important circumstance: the POWER OF SPIRIT of the Syrian people.

      The population of Syria is heterogeneous. What kind of people do you mean - the Alawites, Sunnis, Shiites, Christians or someone else?

      Quote: MIKHAN
      In the event of a fall in legal power in Syria, a massacre will begin

      This is one of the reasons why the US is in no hurry to strike at Assad - it is important for them that moderate forces take power in the country, and not radical bearded men.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      and the next will be Russia, and they all understand this very well.

      Why would it all be? Your government is not going to use WMD against the same demonstrators on Bolotnaya ... Or am I wrong?

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia needs to stand there to death as in 41st near Moscow until the use of nuclear weapons

      fool
  • Altona
    Altona 13 September 2013 15: 56 New
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    The mechanical calculation of tanks, boats, airplanes and their firepower gives only an idea of ​​the potential capabilities of the opponents ... Any attack of the Empire of Good takes place with overwhelming superiority in the air, on earth, the possibilities of a democratic army are easily leveled by the fighting spirit and stubbornness of the defenders ... A good example- Iraqi Basra in 2003 ... So, in land operations, packs of dollars are much more effective than any armadas of the American armored cavalry ... As regards the capabilities to detect Syrian air defense, the Syrian military probably will not bother with this at all ... Operational data will be provided by Russia, China and Iran ... Americans, too, are not all-wise and know-it-alls, again Israel will have to harness the rough work of conducting reconnaissance, adjusting fire, detecting missile launches and sorties ...
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 16: 16 New
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      Quote: Altona
      in ground operations, packs of dollars are much more effective than any armadas of the American armored cavalry ...

      There is such an article - "Tactical lessons of the last two wars in Iraq for a combined arms commander", I advise you to find and study soldier

      And so:
      "... one captive commander of an Iraqi tank battalion gave the following figures: when his battalion entered Kuwait, he had 39 tanks, after six weeks of aerial bombardment, he had 32. The rest were lost during a 20-minute battle with American tanks .. . "

      "A very illustrative example is the defeat of the Iraqi Medina division during the second war. According to the commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd American Infantry Division Perkins, despite the preliminary estimate of damage at 80% of the total number of armored vehicles of the Iraqi division, his brigade did not meet One (!) Iraqi vehicle, damaged from the air. The Iraqis used an effective trick - they set up a conventional defense, with the usual positions of armored vehicles and .... placed all real combat vehicles outside these positions in palm groves, in garages, hid them next to mosques and But this dispersal led to the rapid defeat of the division by ground forces. The Iraqis were unable to organize coordinated fire with these concentrated vehicles on the attacking American units. Iraqi tanks and other armored vehicles drove into positions to open fire one by one and quickly destroyed by concentrated fire Americans. The fact that the Americans entered from the north and hit the Iraqis from the rear played a role. Many Iraqi tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were oriented to the south, they left their positions and tried to turn around, which entailed delays in the opening of fire and contributed to their destruction ... "

      Interesting in general material.

      Quote: Altona
      Operational data will give Russia, China and Iran

      If they are not drowned out by American electronic warfare

      Quote: Altona
      Israel will have to harness the rough work of reconnaissance, fire adjustment, detect missile launches and sorties

      But sho, did they think to sit aside? Will not work.
      In addition, they recently wrote that fire spotters have already entered the territory of Syria ...
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 13 September 2013 16: 01 New
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    Author - if you are so smart and knowledgeable, why is it so poor .....
    No article. Pure bravado.
  • forevering
    forevering 13 September 2013 16: 19 New
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    realist author. all right.
  • Troy
    Troy 13 September 2013 16: 38 New
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    The article is crap - it’s understandable, it’s also understandable that if there is a limited blow, Syria will survive. But the operation in the image of Iraq will not master. And you get the second zone of chaos, with one difference, dead Assad or living. I only hope that Putin will push the situation to the conclusion we need. Amer is not stupid and perfectly understand what ram they got into, and it is important for them not to lose face, but now they themselves do not need a full-scale war. It is important for them to get out of this situation beautifully, without cringing in front of the Allies, and this is now very important for them, especially with such a split in the ranks of NATO.
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 13 September 2013 21: 46 New
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    It is necessary, like the cat Leopold from the cartoon, to take the OZVERINA pill and tear everyone up, and then purr: "Guys, let's live together ... But do not forget that our armored train is on the safe track ..." Murrr ...
  • alone
    alone 13 September 2013 21: 53 New
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    The armament data in the article cover pre-conflict Syria. Currently, these data have undergone major changes. The ground forces have suffered significant losses in military equipment, a significant number of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles have been partially destroyed or fell into the hands of the militants. Part of the OTR have already been shot at the positions of the militants. several key airbases and inados should be taken into account that even if it was possible to withdraw combat aircraft, they are concentrated in large numbers in controlled aerodromes. There are also losses in air defense systems.
    1. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 23: 53 New
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      They write that Neyrib Airport is currently fighting in Aleppo, and the SSA has also taken control of a tank regiment in the Sheikh Saad region of Deraa city.
  • understudy
    understudy 14 September 2013 00: 06 New
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    Quote: Rus2012
    And we’ll deal with the Alegharchs ourselves, as well as with the liberoids ...

    I wildly apologize, but is it possible to clarify the time of the onset of this bright period, when they stop planting potatoes and five heels for a bag of potatoes, but declare the confiscation of property for embezzlement? How long will the same hated faces flutter from one chair to another just because somewhere once they dragged amphoras from the throat of a pike carried away by a crane on a fighter?
  • Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 19 September 2013 14: 36 New
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    At least the fact remains. If earlier in the case of Iraq or Libya, the United States even refused to enter into discussion with any of the opponents of the strike. And even more so, the question of postponing the blow itself was not even on the agenda. Now the situation is completely different. The United States not only delayed (or perhaps canceled) the strike, but also entered into diplomatic contact with countries with a different point of view. Moreover, they approved the proposals put forward by Russia. All this is a fact. good Another thing is how it all ends. Time will tell. wink