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MiG-21 in India: the curse of the "balalaika"? Once again about 21

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Pending in the High Court of Delhi is the lawsuit of the pilot of the country's Air Force, demanding to recognize the world's most widespread MiG-21 fighter as an object that violates the human right to life.


And we are not talking about the life of those against whom this plane can be used - a lawsuit was filed by a pilot of the Indian Air Force, the commander of the wing Sanjit Singh Kyle, who claims that the plane not only violates its right to life, but also does not ensure the right to safe conditions labor, which guarantees the constitution of the country.

He filed a lawsuit to the court on July 17, 48 hours later after the MiG-21 crash near the Nal airbase in Rajistan, in which a young Indian pilot was killed.

MiG-21 in India: the curse of the "balalaika"? Once again about 21


The court accepted the application and postponed the meeting until October 10 in order to study the list of accidents involving these aircraft.

Open data, which hit the press, says that more than 900 MiG-21, which were obtained by the Indian Air Force, crashed more than 400 aircraft.

At the same time more than 130 pilots died. (If you consider how old they are ... and questions about the operation, my note.)

Over the past three years, 29 crashes have occurred in the Indian Air Force. 12 of them - with the participation of the MiG-21. In India, this aircraft, which for decades was the basis of the fighter fleet, was called the “flying coffin”.

True, exactly the same nickname received among its pilots and the enemy of the MiG in the Indo-Pakistani war - the American fighter F-104.

F-104 starfighter


"Balalaika"

MiG-21 appeared in the Mikoyan and Gurevich Design Bureau in the middle of the 1950-s. It was the second generation of fighters.

In all respects, the new MiG turned out to be an order of magnitude more sophisticated and technological than its predecessor, the MiG-19. In the Soviet Air Force for his characteristic shape of the triangular wings immediately nicknamed "balalaika".

He perfectly proved himself in many military conflicts and as a result became the most massive aircraft in stories aviation - In total, about 11,5 thousand aircraft were built.

This number takes into account fighters produced in India, Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union, but does not take into account Chinese copies - J7 fighters (that is, in fact, they were produced even more).

India decided to purchase MiG-21 in 1961 year. Deliveries began in 1963, and after a few years the MiG, together with another heavy fighter Su-7, took part in the war with Pakistan.

This plane changed the situation in the Indian Air Force, raised them to a new level.

"Wonderful lady"

In the course of the Indo-Pakistani conflict, he played an important role in air battles, and in many respects it was precisely at that time that Indian pilots began to have a special attitude towards him.

Among them, many, if not most, do not share the opinion of Sanjit Singh Kyle, who filed an application to the court.

"It was the best fighter of its time. How many years has it been flying with us, 40 years? And still in service. It's just a great plane," Colonel-General of the Indian Air Force, retired Yogi Paradise, told BBC Russian Service BBC.

Another General of the Indian Air Force, Anil Tipnis, published an article entitled “My Fair Lady - Ode MiG-21” on the Indian military analytical website Bharat Rakshak.

“For four decades, the MiG-21 became the basis of the Indian air defense both in peacetime and in wartime. He vigilantly defended the country day and night,” the general wrote in his note.

MiG does not forgive mistakes

MiG-21 became the world record holder in terms of the number of units released. They were armed with many allies of the USSR.

However, the number of accidents and catastrophes is an indisputable fact. The number of MiG-21 destroyed as a result of accidents, the number of pilots who died in these accidents is more than the number of pilots killed by the enemy.

Colonel-General of the Indian Air Force, retired Yogi Paradise, explained it simply: "The number of MiG-21 in the Indian Air Force is large, they are actively used, respectively, the number of accidents is also large." However, there are other versions.

First of all, as Vladimir V., a graduate of the Borisoglebsk Higher Military Aviation School, told Vladimir Biography himself, who had studied to fly the MiG-21, this aircraft, due to its flight characteristics, is difficult to control - it did not forgive the mistakes of the inexperienced pilot.

With a very small wing area, it was designed for high speed of flight, but in order to land the plane, a very large skill was required.

"About 21 th joked:" Why did he have wings? “So that the cadets were not afraid to fly.” It was very strict in terms of turnover. If it could not stand the power, it was removed, then everything failed, the vertical speed is high, and that's it, ”the pilot said.

At the same time, because of the same design features, the aircraft could not plan - if it began to fall, then it was only possible to eject.

True, other fighters of this generation suffered the same disease - in the USSR the Su-7 was considered the most dangerous, the Western air forces were told about the disasters of the enemy MiG-21 - the American F-104 fighter, whose accident rate corresponded to the levels of the Indian MiG-21.

The latter, being conceptually close to the MiG-21, also suffered from the fact that it was being prepared for high-speed flights, and not for a comfortable landing.

"Spare parts"

MiG-21 crashed near the Nal airbase in Rajistan, crashed during the landing approach. There are no official reports about the reasons for his fall, but it is known that an inexperienced pilot piloted it.

In India, as noted by many experts, there is the problem of the development of high-speed aircraft by cadets - they do not have time to gain experience in transplanting from training to high-speed aircraft.

Another problem is spare parts. As one of the leading Indian military experts, Uday Bashkar, told the BBC in an interview with the BBC, the military has many complaints about Russian enterprises regarding the quality of aviation parts.

"Over the past 10-15 years, as far as I know, after the Soviet Union became Russia, the incoming parts need ... to be checked," he said, stressing that this is not the official position of the Indian Air Force, but its personal opinion.

The problem of spare parts for MiGs really exists. Perhaps for reasons that the Indian analyst cautiously noted, and perhaps for other reasons, India is purchasing parts for fighters not only in Russia, but also in other countries.

In May, 2012, the Russian ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, stated that Indian MiGs were being broken because of counterfeit parts, advising them to buy them only in Russia.

Supply diversification

Now India’s Air Force has about a hundred MiG-21 fighter jets. They will be finally withdrawn from the lineup as new machines arrive - recently a tender for the supply of 126 fighters worth more than 10 billion dollars was completed in India.

The Russian fighter MiG-35 also participated in the tender, which as a result lost to the French Rafale.

In addition, Russia lost in the competitions for the supply of India military transport and attack helicopters.

In each case, experts note that the loss can be explained by the discrepancy between the Russian devices and technical conditions.

However, there is a general trend - India, which for decades has depended on supplies weapons from the USSR, now wants to try and Western weapons.

And that means the MiG-21, which has been guarding the Indian sky for four decades, will soon remain only in the memory of the Indians - as a reliable defender and not a very reliable aircraft.
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  1. DDW
    DDW 24 August 2013 06: 54 New
    23
    Do not like the MIG-21?
    Fly on brooms. It’s uncomfortable, but cheap and completely safe ...
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 24 August 2013 06: 59 New
      31
      It would have been a long time since the end of the matter was disposed of. The tires themselves are pulled accordingly and the result. Mig -21 is a good destroyer but it is not eternal.
      1. wow
        wow 24 August 2013 13: 55 New
        33
        The aircraft is very good, reliable and an excellent weapon in the hands of an experienced pilot. I started flying it from 75 years old in CHVVAUL and then flew in combat units of the Air Force until 83 years old. Then we retrained for the MiG-27. So compared to the 21st flight on the 27th is a struggle for life. During the entire time of my work on the 21st, we did not have a single case of an accident, let alone a catastrophe due to the failure of the AT. Now the Indian Air Force is operating physically worn-out aircraft, and only because of this they are "pouring" there. And of course, at the moment the car is simply outdated. And so, I repeat once again, the plane is excellent in every respect !!!
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 24 August 2013 16: 50 New
          11
          I agree with everything, except for some of the most important points, these are the machines built by the Indians themselves, they make it (or rather did it under our license), the last deliveries through the USSR were made in the early 80s. Then, in the 90s, they began a massive purchase of 21 mainly LSIs throughout the USSR, (except Russia), as a second-hand, including spare parts for it, a small volume of repair and modernization 21 was accompanied by some ARZs in Ukraine. That's all. Yes, there was a preliminary agreement with the MiG Design Bureau on the MiG-21-93, but it did not grow together, this was not the topic of the Indian 21 in the Design Bureau
        2. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 27 August 2013 22: 46 New
          +1
          I read somewhere that the Indians, in order to save money on training pilots, removed light reactive TCBs from the cadet training chain. And on the MiG-21 cadets were planted immediately after the piston aircraft. Was it really possible to think of such a thing? Then this would explain a lot why some pilots are afraid of him like a devil.
      2. denson06
        denson06 24 August 2013 16: 30 New
        +6
        The most common depreciation + Chinese spare parts ... not surprising .. Planes over 40 years .. Everything that happens next is the result of the growing influence of the West .. this is their scheme of work .. propaganda in the media and so on ..
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 24 August 2013 17: 14 New
        10
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        It would have been a long time since the end of the matter was disposed of. The tires themselves are pulled accordingly and the result. Mig -21 is a good destroyer but it is not eternal.


        That's right. In place of the MIG, a counterclaim should be filed for libel and damage to the reputation of the company.
      4. alone
        alone 24 August 2013 17: 29 New
        +6
        Open data, which hit the press, says that more than 900 MiG-21, which were obtained by the Indian Air Force, crashed more than 400 aircraft.

        At the same time more than 130 pilots died. (If you consider how old they are ... and questions about the operation, my note.)



        the plane cannot be bad in such quantities. why did mii work miracles in vietnam and break up in india? because the staff is poorly trained + curvature
      5. RDS-1
        RDS-1 25 August 2013 16: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        It would have been a long time since the end of the matter was disposed of. The tires themselves are pulled accordingly and the result. Mig -21 is a good destroyer but it is not eternal.

        The Hindus have a wonderful proverb on this topic: "The horse is dead - get off!" However, despite this popular wisdom, the toad still wins more often =)

        And about the brave Indian aviator, by the way, there is a no less wonderful Russian proverb: "Bad dancers get in the way."
    2. Che
      Che 24 August 2013 07: 02 New
      +9
      We probably have 21 left already, but in India they fly. Brothers technique tends to age. It's probably time to change to a new one. At one time, Jews were slaughtered in conflict with Arabs. Phantoms knocked down, as nuts amers clicked. There was a case, I ask the guys from Israel not to be indignant.
      1. berimor
        berimor 24 August 2013 11: 32 New
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        In fact, it was quite the opposite. In a war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aircraft shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of ours in an air battle (there is a lot of material about this). At the same time, three of our pilots died. Do not confuse the loss of Israeli aviation from the fire of our S-125 anti-aircraft missile systems with our calculations! At that time, I fought there as part of the 18th anti-aircraft special-purpose racine division and I know what I'm saying! You have to tell the truth, not close your eyes. And the missiles and sights on those moments were worse than on mirages and phantoms. According to some flight characteristics, the twigs were better (vertical maneuver and climb), but the main reason for the failure of our pilots was poor preparation for conducting a tough, modern air battle and very weak tactical training for both pilots and especially the management team.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 24 August 2013 12: 49 New
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          Quote: berimor
          In a war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aviation shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of ours in an air battle

          But at the same time, the Jews themselves were delighted with the seized Soviet equipment and said: if we supplied the USSR with weapons and the Arabs of the USA, the result would still be the same .. It’s far from the matter of technology, but of gouging the Arabs .. But to blame everything on technology is possible only when it is completely independent of the person. For example, an ordinary person with a machine gun is unlikely to be able to defeat a commando with a gun or even with a knife ..
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 24 August 2013 17: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: berimor
          In fact, it was quite the opposite. In a war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aircraft shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of ours in an air battle (there is a lot of material about this). At the same time, three of our pilots died.


          This material seems to say that they were waiting for these four and it was a well-planned ambush, designed specifically to catch and destroy these pilots. In the same place, the idea was given that the lack of losses from Israel in air battles is a myth, the losses were about equal, they were simply very silent about them.
          1. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 13: 45 New
            +1
            Heisenberg. You're right. I will not reveal military secrets, phantoms were confused not only by anti-aircraft gunners, but also by pilots. The information of that era speaks for itself. Where did the information stay silent.
      2. berimor
        berimor 24 August 2013 11: 58 New
        +1
        Actually, it was quite the opposite. In the war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aircraft shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of theirs in an air battle with ours (there is a lot of material on this). In this case, three of our pilots were killed. Do not confuse the loss of Israeli aircraft from the fire of our S-125 anti-aircraft missile systems with our crews! Then our rocketman gave the prochukhona to the Jewish "falcons". At that time I fought there as part of the 18th anti-aircraft missile division of a special purpose and I know what I am saying! We must tell the truth, not close our eyes. And the rockets and sights on those moments were worse than on mirages and phantoms. According to some flight characteristics, the MiGs were better (vertical maneuver and speed), but the main reason for the failures of our pilots was low training for conducting tough, modern air combat and very weak tactical training of both pilots and especially the management level. 21 was at that time one of the best air superiority fighters. And as for skill, the Arabs about our air defense systems also said "muskweiss" (bad), until our crews entered the battle!
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 24 August 2013 22: 38 New
          +3
          Berimor "As for the skill, the Arabs about our air defense systems also said" muskweis "(bad), until our crews entered the battle!"

          The same can be said about MiGs. The Vietnamese on MiG shot down phantoms, and the Arabs catapulted.
          As for the landing maneuver, I can cite the fact of landing the MiG21 in Feodosia in the late 80s with the engines turned off due to lack of fuel.
          So 21 knows how to plan.
        2. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 25 August 2013 00: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: berimor
          At that time, I fought there as part of the 18th anti-aircraft special-purpose racine division and I know what I'm saying! You have to tell the truth, not close your eyes.

          No need for a current trench, Munchausen.
      3. Airman
        Airman 24 August 2013 12: 18 New
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        Quote: Che
        We probably have 21 left already, but in India they fly ..

        Re-export a dozen MiG-21s to Russia and put on pedestals in Russian cities.
        1. Cpa
          Cpa 24 August 2013 15: 47 New
          +1
          There is such a pedestal in Novocherkassk!
          1. HAM
            HAM 24 August 2013 16: 30 New
            +2
            In Armavir too!
    3. andrejwz
      andrejwz 24 August 2013 08: 49 New
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      Quote: DDW
      Do not like the MIG-21? Fly on brooms. It’s uncomfortable, but cheap and completely safe ...

      Then the runway will have to be increased. And then the take-off run is not enough.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 24 August 2013 10: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: andrejwz
        Then the runway will have to be increased. And then the take-off run is not enough.

        So and so on any airdromes will lengthen and modernize. They also need to take Rafal.
        It will remain in the memory of the Indians - as a reliable defender and not very reliable aircraft. Such is the mental perdimanocle.
        Quote: Corsair5912
        This is true. What does Russia have to do with it, if the pilots cannot land a plane in peacetime in the strip of their air base? Let them buy western planes, if they do not mind their money and their pilots. The planes will fall at least, and the Indians will pay for them more.

        Hefty fiercely in the very eyeZ.
    4. ed65b
      ed65b 24 August 2013 10: 03 New
      +5
      Exactly, Harry Potty will be instructing. laughing
    5. Proud.
      Proud. 24 August 2013 11: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: DDW
      but cheap and completely safe ...

      A good broom also costs a lot, and flights are not always safe ...
    6. svp67
      svp67 24 August 2013 13: 02 New
      +8
      Quote: DDW
      Do not like the MIG-21?

      This is a common trend in the Indian establishment, it has long been divided into "English" and "Indian" parties. All attacks on our weapons from the "British ..."
    7. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 24 August 2013 14: 30 New
      +2
      During the negotiations on a new VTS between India and the United States, after the submarine accident, I was not surprised by such a statement. It was a matter of time. How many tanks did this "pilot" get ?.
      1. Airman
        Airman 24 August 2013 17: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        During the negotiations on a new VTS between India and the United States, after the submarine accident, I was not surprised by such a statement. It was a matter of time. How many tanks did this "pilot" get ?.

        And I will not be surprised that due to the greed of Rosoboronexport we will lose orders from potential buyers, and India is only the "first" swallow. An aircraft carrier that we have not been able to hand over for many years, a submarine, abandonment of the MiG-35 .... how long can you? Improve the quality of equipment and work, but ..... by whom? Not gastar ...
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 24 August 2013 06: 54 New
    +8
    For its time, there was a good plane. 40 years of service and 65 countries of the world - this result speaks for itself. I don’t think that a bad memory will remain about the MiG-21.
    And the diversification of arms supplies (and not just weapons) to India is inevitable. She is already happening. Russia will lose most of its revenue. And in order not to lose a very large one, it is necessary to develop the new and do the old with high quality.
  3. George
    George 24 August 2013 07: 02 New
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    Hello all.
    In May, 2012, the Russian ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, stated that Indian MiGs were being broken because of counterfeit parts, advising them to buy them only in Russia.

    Failure for no reason - a sign of Made in? request
    1. duke
      duke 24 August 2013 08: 11 New
      +9
      for some reason in Vietnam they do not fight

      In most cases of the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 fighter plane crashes, the pilots are to blame. With this recognition, the Times of India reported on Sunday, the Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Air Force, Marshal Krishnaswami, spoke.

      According to him, "pilot mistakes create problems, but they constantly improve their level of training."

      According to Krishnaswami, the MiG-21 aircraft is actively used for training pilots, which is constantly being modernized, and the Indian Air Force already has a training squadron called Bison.

      As the Indian Marshal noted, "The MiG-21 is like a gladiator's sword: it sometimes wounds, but you can't do without his help."
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 August 2013 10: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: duke
        for some reason in Vietnam they do not fight

        I read how pilots were recruited for MiG-21 in Vietnam. They were first fed for 2 years and only then started training. In Vietnam, the pilot of a military aircraft is the elite. And in India, the attitude is quite different.
        In India, as noted by many experts, there is the problem of the development of high-speed aircraft by cadets - they do not have time to gain experience in transplanting from training to high-speed aircraft.
        1. TRex
          TRex 24 August 2013 10: 28 New
          +8
          The population of India is a billiard man. Therefore, the attitude towards them is the same: plus or minus a hundred thousand weather don't... Somewhere I read the article "The Country of Non-Combat Losses", there is a brief analysis of accidents in the Indian Air Force, which proves that three quarters of accidents were due to human factors. Razdolbai, in short, that's why they beat like flies on the windshield of a car.
          "In November 2010, the Indian Air Force announced that in 45 percent of aircraft crashes, the cause of the crash was a pilot error. In 42 percent of catastrophes occur due to technical problems, and the remaining 13 percent are in unpredictable incidents, including bird collisions.

          The Indian Air Force is characterized by a high accident rate. In particular, from 1970 to 2000, the country annually lost an average of 22-23 aircraft and helicopters, and since 2000 - 10-15 aircraft per year. The Indian Air Force is currently undergoing a large-scale modernization of its fleet. It is planned to spend about one hundred billion dollars for these purposes in the next 12 years. This amount includes the purchase of training aircraft, fighters, military transport aircraft, anti-aircraft missile systems and bombers. "
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 24 August 2013 13: 58 New
            16
            Often had to travel the world.
            I made such observations - the Arabs, as warriors, are not bad, but extremely UNDISciplined, for any reason they "like" to gather in a heap of little ones - here they can be covered with a mine))))
            The Indians are still those Indians))) when some kind of "COMPLEX" situation arises, not written in the brain))) they fall into a stupor .....

            Only Russians can be organized into a Squad (not a herd or flock)) having distributed responsibilities and often operate INTUITIVELY, no one has trained them before ...
            ..but for this you need an Extreme situation ....
            while we drink bitter .....
            but we will quickly give up this business))))
        2. creak
          creak 24 August 2013 10: 36 New
          +9
          In Vietnam, pilots were fattened primarily not because they were the elite, but because of the lack of weight they could not bear the overloads arising during the air battle .. And the pilots, in most countries, have always been an elite and India has never was an exception ..
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 25 August 2013 11: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: ranger
            In Vietnam, pilots were fattened primarily not because they were an elite, but because they could not bear the load due to lack of weight,

            Yes, they lost consciousness, but they were taught discipline for two years and not only. Have you ever seen how they work in India?
            Here I will tell you.
            Each docker in the port has 5-6 assistants, how much he can pay and hires. Docker is easy to distinguish - he is in a vest, everything else is in tatters. So when they unload the ship, going on deck ..... there is no hunting to swear. Noise, din, screaming, waving, some dockers shouting their load, others drag in the opposite direction. In this anthill everything resembles chaos. And someone from this chaos will surely lock the mooring or keys, everything that is not screwed to the deck or not nailed. And in principle, this is their life, their national identity, their mentality.
            So they have pilots like them. Too emotional and not disciplined.
            1. creak
              creak 25 August 2013 19: 21 New
              +2
              I saw how they work in India, because at one time I happened to be in this country on a one-year business trip, by the way, at the factory where they were assembled under the MIG-21 license in Nasik, Maharashtra. So, judging by your description, YOU observed how dockers work in the port ... But the Air Force is not a port and the discipline is there, I have seen myself preparing for flights and organizing flights in the Indian Air Force. Everything was done according to the instructions and instructions prepared by our experts and Indian pilots flew, according to our experts, it’s not bad at all. And where did you see Indian military pilots to make such categorical judgments?
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 27 August 2013 22: 11 New
                0
                Quote: ranger
                And where did you see Indian military pilots to make such categorical judgments?

                I have not seen Indian pilots, but a little familiar with their mentality.
                For example, they don’t have such a concept as carrying capacity. How much luck is imposed and imposed and this applies to everything, even a donkey, even a car.
                If on the ladder it is written (Do not enter), then for them it is necessary to write (Do not get in the kill) the same applies to the buttons on the devices.
                And I'm not talking about their prejudices and religious characteristics.
                I did not say that they are bad, just for the service of pilots they need to be prepared from childhood, instilling punctuality and restraint.
  4. Belogor
    Belogor 24 August 2013 07: 04 New
    +5
    Or maybe the dancers are just bad?
    1. a52333
      a52333 24 August 2013 08: 49 New
      13
      You are wrong, they dance well, though WITH EVERYTHING ELSE - THE ENVIRONMENT IS FULL.
  5. Hudo
    Hudo 24 August 2013 07: 06 New
    12
    Pending in the High Court of Delhi is the lawsuit of the pilot of the country's Air Force, demanding to recognize the world's most widespread MiG-21 fighter as an object that violates the human right to life.

    In early childhood, when I climbed on an adult bicycle to ride "like a big one" and fell with it, I also really wanted to recognize the bicycle as an object that violates the human right to life. Over time, though, everything worked out. But seriously, you need to spend more time on simulators, and not to go around the courts.
    1. mole
      mole 24 August 2013 16: 45 New
      +3
      Always and everywhere there are juicy, prone to litigation!
  6. vitek1233
    vitek1233 24 August 2013 07: 08 New
    +5
    Learn to fly gentlemen Indians
  7. an_ursus
    an_ursus 24 August 2013 07: 14 New
    +3
    How much did you pay, uncle? ...
  8. bomg.77
    bomg.77 24 August 2013 07: 14 New
    12
    50 years of use, it’s time and honor to know). MIG21 not Duncan MacLeod) has its own life.
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    1. a52333
      a52333 24 August 2013 08: 51 New
      +7
      good and I, too, Necha blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked.
      They and t-90 does not shoot, and the boats are sinking.
  10. Jacob31
    Jacob31 24 August 2013 07: 20 New
    +6
    Yes, the Indians themselves knocked over the jambs, and they themselves dumped on the plane to the tune of the Americans !!! Hands would grow from that place and the planes would fly perfectly and the tanks were beautiful !!! They only with spears and rush so that they don’t do business))))
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 24 August 2013 13: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: Jacob31
      Yes, the Indians themselves knocked over the jambs, and they themselves dumped on the plane to the tune of the Americans !!!

      More than sure, their new expensive toys of rafal would fall no less .. They would rather have a simpler and more reliable technique, the 35th Mig just took into account the features of the Indians, and they would forgive mistakes and the pilots would not die .. they wouldn’t take it in vain Now fly on French gold bullion, or even be afraid to lift them even into the sky ..
    2. alone
      alone 24 August 2013 22: 00 New
      0
      give them a su-35, they will break anyway. preparing the summer squad is not a movie to shoot)))
  11. pinecone
    pinecone 24 August 2013 07: 34 New
    +8
    There is a connection with the recent Russian-made submarine accident. Undoubtedly, the initiative for filing a lawsuit came from the command of the Indian armed forces with the aim of evading responsibility for the poor level of training of personnel.
    By the way, the experience of the combat use of the MiG-21 in the North Vietnamese Air Force clearly demonstrated what this machine is capable of in the hands of well-trained pilots.
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 24 August 2013 07: 51 New
    +6
    Pending in the High Court of Delhi is the lawsuit of the pilot of the country's Air Force, demanding to recognize the world's most widespread MiG-21 fighter as an object that violates the human right to life.
    The phase shift of the flyer occurred wassat .A most likely they have full Americanization, though (this is the same as a phase shift). To file a lawsuit, even for a dead cockroach, would cut down the loot.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 August 2013 14: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Siberian
      The phase shift of the flyer occurred

      With such "symptoms", a pilot should definitely be written off, a pilot who is afraid of his car cannot perform flight tasks with high quality ...
  13. awg75
    awg75 24 August 2013 07: 57 New
    10
    I will not tire of repeating, TECHNOLOGY IN THE HANDS OF THE WILD IS A BREAST OF A METAL SCRAP ...
  14. George
    George 24 August 2013 08: 04 New
    +9
    No way Sanjit Singh Kyle has registered with us, huh? I drove everyone to the minus.
  15. Bosk
    Bosk 24 August 2013 08: 55 New
    +5
    Yes, a normal car is the 21st, here the "Human factor" is of no small importance, as they say, with inept handling, and a rake can become a "Weapon of mass destruction". Here there may be the beginning of a campaign to rid the aircraft fleet of 21s, because on the one hand the car is good, but on the other hand there are a lot of these machines and they already do not meet the requirements of modern combat in our time, so the soil is being prepared. By the way ... a little out of topic - who is this on our website since the night shift so actively minuses everyone?, This would be energy ... but for the benefit of the Motherland.
  16. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 August 2013 09: 57 New
    +5
    MiG-21 crashed near the Nal airbase in Rajistan, crashed during the landing approach. There are no official reports about the reasons for his fall, but it is known that an inexperienced pilot piloted it.
    In India, as noted by many experts, there is the problem of the development of high-speed aircraft by cadets - they do not have time to gain experience in transplanting from training to high-speed aircraft.

    Here it is.
    What does Russia have to do with it, if pilots do not know how to land an airplane in peacetime in the strip of their air base?
    Let them buy western planes if they don’t feel sorry for their money and their pilots.
    Airplanes will fall at least, and Indians will pay more for them.
  17. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 24 August 2013 10: 01 New
    +7
    It’s bad to be wooden to the waist!
  18. ed65b
    ed65b 24 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +9
    Hmm, the Indians survived for such pilots, tankers will soon reach out, with orders to tanks, and then infantry with suits against grenades, you see, you have to explode, you have to lie down, and so it kills. laughing
  19. Brummbar
    Brummbar 24 August 2013 10: 14 New
    +5
    The bells and whistles interfere with a worthless dancer.
  20. mithridate
    mithridate 24 August 2013 10: 53 New
    +4
    first you need to learn how to operate the machines, and then to file any claims
  21. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 August 2013 11: 02 New
    +7
    Make Dyraka pray, he will break his forehead.

    Perhaps, it is these words that most characterize the gentlemen of the Hindus and their relationship with the military equipment of Soviet and Russian production ...
    Either they extol their own "Arjun" to seventh heaven and scold the T-90, but they continue to buy it and supply it to the troops ... Either because of the carelessness of the crew, the submarine burned down. And I personally believe in the version of the terrorist act very, very badly ... But now the "expert" of the Indian Air Force is suing the "Twenty-first Migar". But his mental state is not a desire to discuss. And so everything is visible ...
    In a word - gentlemen, the Indians are slowly starting to get drunk. In Soviet times, they would not have thought of such a thing. And if they had thought of it, then they would very quickly and efficiently be brought to a sane state. Why was a couple of words through diplomatic channels enough ...
  22. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 11: 30 New
    +8
    One of the most successful pages of combat use of the MiG-21 is its service in the Indian Air Force. Her acquisition of MiG-21 fighters opened a new era for her Air Force. It was the first non-Western combat aircraft in the arsenal of India. His first meeting with Pakistani fighters took place on December 4, 1965. Then the Indian pilot missiles managed to damage the Pakistan Saber.

    In December 1971, hostilities began again between India and Pakistan.

    On December 4, on the first day of the war, an Indian MiG-21 shot down a Pakistani Saber. On December 6, before noon, the MiG-21FL was escorted by HF-24 Marut aircraft at low altitude. After the attack, the commander of the Maruts decided to deviate to the west in search of a possible target. At the moment when the "Maruts" went on the attack, the pilot of one of the MiG-21s, captain Samar Bmkram Shah, saw the plane, which he mistook for a Cessna O-1. Having made a sharp turn downward to determine the type of machine, Shah simultaneously looked instinctively back to make sure that there was no one on the tail. He saw two F-6s at a distance of about 1500 meters, and the third F-6 - higher, Shah, who was at an altitude of about 200 meters, immediately turned on the afterburner and raised the nose of the aircraft. Both F-6s approaching the aircraft made no attempt to follow the MiG-21. The Shah decided to attack the Pakistani plane, trying not to slip past it. The first F-6 headed in the direction where the Maruts left. The Shah pulled up behind a Pakistani fighter and fired a volley of his 23mm cannons from a distance of about 600 meters. The F-6 rolled over and fell to the ground. Also on that day, according to Indians, the MiG-21 shot down a Pakistani C-130.

    At 14:12 on December 21, two MiG-104FLs were on alert at the Jamnagar airbase and were lifted into the air: two Pakistani F-900 Starfighter fighters crossed the coastline at low altitude. Pakistanis attacked standing planes at the airport. One of the MiGs got on the tail of the Starfighter. The Indian pilot from a distance of 16 meters fired a long salvo from a twin gun. "Starfighter" caught fire and crashed into the sea, the pilot barely had time to eject. On December 6, Shah shot down his second F-XNUMX.

    On December 17, the dispatcher warned MiG patrols that a low-flying aircraft was approaching the airfield at high speed. “Starfighter” for unknown reasons did not attack the airfield and the Indian sat on his tail. The Indian fired two K-13A missiles, the second missile hit the target, but the Pakistani was able to continue the flight. Then the Indian supplemented the missile attack with a salvo of guns. After that, he began to return to the airfield, and the damaged F-104 exploded among the sandy hills. According to Indian data, later that day, the Indian MiG-21 shot down two more Starfighters already over Pakistani territory, and the Indian pilot Shah was able to knock out one F-104. According to Pakistanis, on December 17, only one Starfighter was lost.

    In addition to being used as an interceptor, the Indian Air Force also used the MiG-21 on the eastern border to gain air supremacy and assault operations. The most impressive was a raid on December 14 at the residence of the governor of East Pakistan. Six MiG-21FLs gave several volleys of 57-mm missiles at the residence, after which the governor rushed into the nearest trench and wrote a letter of resignation on a piece of paper.

    In total, Indian MiG-21s shot down 7-8 Pakistani aircraft and damaged 1. The only loss in aerial combat was the “instant” shot down by Saber on December 17.

    The next meeting of the Indian MiGs with Pakistani aircraft was the 90s. In 1997, the Indian MiG-21bis, an R.550 Magic rocket, shot down a Pakistani AV plane. On August 10, 1999, after the end of the Kargil war, the MiG-21bis shot down a Pakistan reconnaissance aircraft Br.1150 Atlantique.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%E8%C3-21
    So. something like that. Yours faithfully!
  23. High speed
    High speed 24 August 2013 12: 15 New
    +5
    About 5-6 years ago, television voiced Indian statistics on the reliability of its aircraft fleet over 30-40 years, I do not remember exactly.
    And what was said?
    The most reliable - MiG-21. I was pleasantly surprised ...
  24. Corsair
    Corsair 24 August 2013 12: 44 New
    +6
    True, exactly the same nickname received among its pilots and the enemy of the MiG in the Indo-Pakistani war - the American fighter F-104.


    The pilots of the NATO "Luftwaffe" gave the F-104 starfighter the nickname "Widowmaker" due to the huge number of accidents.
    And in the case of the MiG-21, it's more of a "gasket between the steering wheel and the seat" ...
    And in particular, the Germans did not respond about MiG. request
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 14: 48 New
      +2
      The Germans spoke so much about the MiG-19,
      Like the East German pilots who called the MiG-19 "killer" (10 out of 24 in service with the GDR Air Force were lost in accidents), Cubans were also unhappy with this machine. They called its operation "very problematic" and tried to switch to MiG-17 or MiG-21 at the first opportunity.

      http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/lamerica/cuba19/cuba19.html
      MiG-19S 3rd IAP Air Force GDR
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 August 2013 16: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        The Germans spoke so much about the MiG-19

        Despite the large number of improvements introduced on the MiG-19С, the fighter still continued to present unpleasant surprises. Numerous disasters did not contribute to the growing popularity of the car. On production aircraft, a defect was again manifested, associated with the automatic control adjustment (AGC) and hydraulic units of the control system. There were many cases of failure of power steering. This happened not only during the acceptance tests, but also during the operation of the “nineteenth” in combat units. Only after the changes in the design of the hydraulic boosters themselves, was it possible to get rid of this defect.

        Due to the unfinished technology for assembling the aircraft, the smallest metal chips remained in the pipelines, which clogged the jets, causing failures. Sometimes this led to a sudden rearrangement of the stabilizer, and the plane, getting out of control of the pilot, suddenly went into cabriolet or dive. At low altitudes, this often ended in disaster. It happened that the projectile ribbons located in the wing broke off during vigorous maneuvers. There were fires due to leakage of the hydraulic mixture from the control system and its getting on the engines. During prolonged use, the rubber protector of the N3 fuselage tank collapsed, and fuel leaked into the compartment under the engines. If the technical composition did not detect this in time, then during the operation of the turbojet engine on the afterburner, the fuel evaporated and the gas-air mixture exploded. In one of the flights of test pilot A.F. Nikolayev, the broken blades of the engine compressor pierced the fuselage in several places, causing fatal damage to the aircraft structure, after which the pilot had to eject.

        The introduction of the MiG-19S into mass production required a radical improvement in the spin characteristics of the new fighter, since it was obvious that the bulk of the combat pilots were significantly inferior in flight training to the test pilots. Moreover, this problem had to be solved quickly. After the completion of the State tests of the SM-9/2 and SM-9/3, tests for a spin of the production machine continued in 1958 at the LII (they were carried out by test pilot A.A. Shcherbakov) and at the GK NII VVS (test pilot V S. Kotlov). The pilots forced the "nineteenth" to "dump" even from heights of the order of 18000-19000 m, which exceeded the practical ceiling of the MiG-19S. These flights showed that an increase in the stall height leads only to a certain delay when exiting the spin. The behavior of the fighter in this mode has been researched to the point. Sometimes one of the engines stopped, and the pilot had to start it after the withdrawal. Quite often the plane in a spin reversed its rotation, and at a certain position of the rudders it was very late with the exit or showed a "suicidal" tendency not to leave it at all. During the flights, for the first time, studies of the behavior of a fighter in supersonic spin modes were carried out. Based on the test results, a technique was developed for getting the aircraft out of a spin, which the combat pilots began to master.

        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig19s.html#LTH
  25. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 12: 51 New
    +6
    So how many MiG-21 aircraft have been lost to the Indian Air Force? The question is somewhat banal. Considering the year of adoption and the number of deliveries, the answer is - a lot. But how much exactly? Every year, many media outlets, referring to some only known and highly classified sources (as a rule, these are either the generals of the Indian Air Force or other highly trusted comrades from the special services) publish figures. Each year is different. We read the latest data from the ARMS-TASS agency (again they refer to some unverified Indian media): “According to local media reports, from the MiG-21 fleet of the Indian Air Force, 900 vehicles, the first of which entered service in the mid-70s, to date, about half has been lost. The high losses of the MiG-21 led to the fact that the Air Force command decided to allow only experienced pilots to fly these fighters since 2013. " Or here's another message from TSAMTO: "As stated in August of this year (2011), State Minister of Defense Industry Pallam Raju, in total, out of 45 purchased MiG-946 fighters in accidents and disasters, 21 aircraft were lost in accidents and disasters over the past 476 years."

    Except as complete and complete nonsense all these fabrications cannot be called. Firstly, the first MiG-21F-type aircraft appeared in 1963, and the first MiG-21FL-type aircraft appeared in 1964. Secondly, the MiG-21 was not 900, and not 946. And maybe there were less? Various numbers are given, here and 767, and 976 and about 800. This must be dealt with separately. Thirdly, where did this frightening figure in half of the lost MiG-21 type machines come from?

    I will say right away that I had to rummage through and revise many official and unofficial sources. Among which there are some of the most authoritative and informed Warbirds of India, FlightGlobal.com, Scramble magazine, Aviation-safety network, Ejection-history.org.uk, Foreign Military Review magazine, annual reports of the Indian Ministry of Defense, PakDef forum etc. etc.

    It turned out that the Indian Air Force lost 193 aircraft of the MiG-21 type of various modifications. Everything has been taken into account, including losses in hostilities.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 12: 53 New
      +5
      Year Number Loss dates and notes
      2011 5 4/2, 1/8, 6/9, 7/10, 2/12.
      2010 3 19/2, 15/6, 7/8.
      2009 4 30/4, 27/5, 18/6, 10/9.
      2008 3 15/2, 23/5, 12/11.
      2007 2 1/3, 22/5.
      2006 2 17/1, 21/3.
      2005 4 4/1, 8/3, 26/10, 13/12.
      2004 2 20/2, 1/11.
      2003 4 7/4, 4/6, 14/7, 28/11.
      2002 12 4/4, 20/4, 26/4, 3/5, 27/6, 15/7, 9/9, 9/9, 11/10, 21/10, 14/11, 26/12.
      2001 11 10/2, 23/2, 27/3, 10/4, 6/5, 8/6, 28/8, 17/9, 26/9, 13/12, 27/12.
      2000 12 4/1, 13/4, 6/5, 13/5, 23/5, 13/7, 5/8, 13/10, 16/10, 16/10, 6/11, 18/12.
      1999 17 15/3, 16/3, 26/3, 7/4, 13/4, 13/5, 27/5, 17/6, 19/6, 23/6, 18/8, 18/8, 13/9, 14/9, 3/12, 15/12, 21/12.
      1998 9 21/1, 21/3, 12/5, 4/6, 24/6, 27/7, 14/8, 7/10, 17/10.
      1997 6 29/1, 9/6, 21/6, 21/6, 2/9, 17/9.
      1996 7 11/2, 13/3, 28/3, 4/4, 18/7, 9/10, 17/10.
      1995 2 6/1, 9/6.
      1994 11 14/2, 21/2, 1/3, 10/3, 15/3, 29/3, 11/8, 25/8, 17/9, 18/10, 12/12.
      1993 6 17/2, 15/4, 27/4, 26/6, 25/8, 30/9.





      According to many media reports, on September 30, 1993, the Indian Air Force lost two MiG-21 type fighters, but this information was not confirmed. Officially, the Indians recognized the loss of only one car that crashed near the Nalya AVB.


      1992 5 26/4, 4/6, 25/9, 3/12, 15/12.
      1991 3 1/3, 19/7, 7/8.
      1990 3 25/6, 14/11, 28/12.
      1989 4 23/1, 14/4, 20/7, 10/11.
      1988 8 11/1, 18/3, 21/5, 11/7, 24/9, 8/11, 10/11, 17/11.





      Many media reported a mid-air collision over the Chabua Aviation Aviation Force in Gauhati on December 2, 1988, of two MiG-21 fighter jets, with the death of squadron leader H.N. Manerikar. In fact, these were Hunter fighters.


      1987 3 8/6, 21/7, 3/9.
      1986 3 14/6, 17/6, 27/8.
      1985 5 9/4, 27/4, 24/5, 1/6, 3/10.
      1984 -
      1983 1 2/11.
      1982 4 1/6, 7/10, 8/10, 29/10.
      1981 -
      1980 1 1/2.
      1979 - Only one accident recorded. On March 26, an engine ignited on a fighter with the S761 b / n. Subsequently, this car was lost in an accident on August 25, 1994.




      1978 1 28/7.
      1977 -
      1976 -
      1975 4 25/2, 1/4, 21/4, 21/4.
      1974 1 1/6.
      1973 4 16/3, 30/5, 1/6, 1/8.
      1972 4 4/4, 25/11, 1/12, 1/12.
      1971 7 5/12, 6/12, 8/12, 11/12, 12/12, 12/12, 13/12, 17/12.
      1970 1 25/2.
      1969 1 1/7.
      1968 2 29/1, 29/3.
      1967 -
      1966 1 9/11.
      1965 3 6/9, 6/9, 6/9.
      1964 -
      1963 2 21/12, 21/12.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 12: 55 New
        +6
        From June 16, 1971 to September 7, 1995, the Indian Air Force also lost 27 unidentified fighters in accidents and catastrophes. There is a likelihood that among these machines may have been the MiG-21.

        PS The Pakistan Air Force since 1983 lost 54 F-7 / FT-7 aircraft (28,1%) out of 192 delivered, and the Bulgarian Air Force since 1963 lost 37 MiG-21 aircraft (16,5%) out of 224 delivered. So the losses in the Indian Air Force (19,8% of the maximum 976) are not something outrageous (or 25,1% of the minimum 767).

        There is another way to compare. The French Air Force lost 30% of its Jaguars (60 out of 200). The British Air Force lost 33,5% of its Jaguars (68 out of 203). The Australian Air Force lost 35,3% of its Mirages-3 (41 out of 116). The Belgian Air Force lost 37,7% of its Mirages-3 (40 out of 106). The Brazilian Air Force lost 50% of its Mirages-3 (14 out of 28). The Turkish Air Force lost 25,7% of its Phantoms (61 out of 237). The Italian Air Force lost 38% of its Starfighters (138 out of 360). The Canadian Air Force lost 46,2% of its Starfighters (110 out of 238).

        In general and in general, summarizing, we can draw certain conclusions. The Indian Air Force command is well aware of the real state of affairs with the accident rate of its MiG-21s, and, taking into account all factors (including half a century of operation, level of service, and the number of flight hours), for some reason it is in no hurry to remove these MiGs from service.
        http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/asia/poteri/poterimig21.html

        MiG-21FL Indian Air Force
  26. Russ69
    Russ69 24 August 2013 14: 48 New
    +3
    One of the problems with the MiG-21 crashes in India is just money. Three years ago after another accident, our specialists visited there. Ours said to them, it’s easy to look for spare parts for cheap all over the world.
  27. solomon
    solomon 24 August 2013 14: 58 New
    +5
    The lawsuit of the country's Air Force pilot demanding to recognize the world's most common MiG-21 fighter is under consideration in the Delhi High Court object violating the human right to life.

    It smacks of something European.
  28. Strashila
    Strashila 24 August 2013 15: 55 New
    +1
    Two factors are noted in the article .. pilot qualifications, you need to be constantly in shape, but not everyone strives for this. And problems with spare parts, with the collapse of the USSR, a situation was created in their absence, of course it was temporary, but with supplies to replace the deficit clearly the Chinese comrades succeeded. After the MIG-21, the pilot will be able to master any modern machine without problems
  29. Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 16: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: solomon
    The lawsuit of the country's Air Force pilot demanding to recognize the world's most common MiG-21 fighter is under consideration in the Delhi High Court object violating the human right to life.

    It smacks of something European.

    smacks of idiocy
  30. gerafak
    gerafak 24 August 2013 16: 29 New
    +2
    Personally, in this article I was more concerned about the fact that Indians are increasingly moving away from our technology. We love to praise our technology and not blame ours, in other countries they do the same, it can be difficult to objectively evaluate it. Indians can certainly be blamed for the bias, but it’s difficult, they just choose the technique that they consider the best, it’s worth considering.
  31. Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 16: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: gerafak
    Personally, in this article I was more concerned about the fact that Indians are increasingly moving away from our technology. We love to praise our technology and not blame ours, in other countries they do the same, it can be difficult to objectively evaluate it. Indians can certainly be blamed for the bias, but it’s difficult, they just choose the technique that they consider the best, it’s worth considering.

    where they go instead of mig-21 take the su-30 MKI 50th development for a new change smile
  32. biglow
    biglow 24 August 2013 17: 21 New
    0
    It seems that the Indians have money like a fool of a shag, and now they will be re-equipped with Western planes, then they will find out that they are worse than Russian and more demanding to service, and then they will again begin to buy Russian planes and other weapons.
  33. bistrov.
    bistrov. 24 August 2013 19: 22 New
    +3
    Well, only recently the MIG-21s, which were in service with the Czech Air Force, were withdrawn from service in connection with the transition to NATO standards. Czech pilots almost cried, saying goodbye to this plane.
  34. surveyor
    surveyor 24 August 2013 19: 37 New
    0
    Maybe they are like flyers not very !!!
  35. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 24 August 2013 22: 05 New
    -2
    Fly ... learn! What are Thais, what Indians cannot ... on the ground can not steer, and they are also surprised that it does not work on an airplane. Sedna flew into the Audi - the Hindu woke up until the cops arrived with insurers. He was threatened that their sacred cow would punish me (as I did not understand). As a result, the conclusion - the Indian pays me repairs.

    Regarding the number - alas - in a small series of current fly about. on the big one - they allow dummies as well, but they don’t know how to fly, and that's the damage to the plane. Yes, and take-off and landing - VVSniki will not let lie the most difficult.
  36. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 25 August 2013 00: 23 New
    +3
    The existence of the legendary MiG company is a big question. Conversations are underway that the Russian army needs only Sukhoi heavy fighters. Against this background, MIG's light fighter aircraft are being “extinguished”. The result is that throughout the world, including the United States, the ratio of light and heavy fighters is approximately 70 to 30, and we have the opposite: heavy fighters will be enough, but fighters for our defensive doctrine to gain air supremacy, cover the troops will not.

    And here is the latest example. We have such a State Research Institute of Chemistry and Technology of Elements of Organic Compounds. This is a unique enterprise where development is carried out in order to ensure our "Topol" to increase its efficiency, to strengthen our rocket engines, to enhance the effectiveness of conventional weapons, to cover ships through certain curtains and so on. Powerful developments are underway on this part. Meanwhile, at the end of last year, the Americans demanded that these developments be transferred to them for very good money. As a result, the leadership of Russian Technologies issued a decree according to which the director general of the institute was removed from his post, and a graduate of MGIMO, a candidate of political sciences, was put in his place. That is, in fact, an order came from above to the address of our country from the USA, ours are taken under the hood and are being executed. (From an article by L.G. Ivashev)
  37. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 August 2013 09: 29 New
    0
    Unfortunately, the author of the article does not analyze who supplied these aircraft to the Indian Air Force. After all, India itself, under license, produced Mig-21. By the way, besides the USSR, these planes were built by Czechoslovakia and China. Therefore, you need to understand the history of the construction of the Indian Mig-21. The easiest way is to cast a shadow on the legendary fighter, which has proven its superiority over US fighters in wars and conflicts and mislead readers. This is unfair to our aircraft.
  38. GEO
    GEO 25 August 2013 11: 12 New
    0
    Quote: berimor
    In fact, it was quite the opposite. In a war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aircraft shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of ours ....

    Bendera Jew ... Cool ...
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 25 August 2013 13: 55 New
      0
      Quote: GEO
      Quote: berimor In fact, it was quite the opposite. In a war of attrition in 1970, Israeli aircraft shot down 4 MiG-21s and did not lose a single one of ours ....

      Unfortunately he is right, a similar fact took place:
      The first case of combat contact was recorded on June 25, 1970. The MiG-21 pair (pilots Krapivin and Salnik), using low altitude, secretly approached the Skyhokov group marching to Ismailia and hit one of them with the R-3C missile, but the downed attack aircraft managed to escape to its air base. Another source claims that in this battle an Israeli attack aircraft was shot down and the pilot died

      "On July 30, after the discovery of the command post of the four Mirages, Kamnev's link was lifted from the Kom-Aushim airfield, and then from the Beni-Sueif airfield, Yurchenko's link (Yurchenko, Makara, Yakovlev, Syrkin). After the Mirages opened, despite the great superiority enemy (no less than 12 aircraft), Kamenev's four were brought into battle.The battle took place on a vertical maneuver at altitudes of 2000-6000 m. Zhuravlev - the wingman was shot down and ejected.

      Four Yurchenko pulled up to the battlefield to build up forces, but unnoticed at the extremely low altitude "Phantoms" (according to our data, more than 12-ti aircraft) when approaching the battlefield (at a distance of 10 km from the battlefield) produced a rocket attack of the link in the climb as a result, the presenter Yurchenko exploded in the air, while Yakovlev and Syrkin catapulted out of wrecked airplanes. Makara engaged the Mirage, which evaded the attack, and he landed at the nearest airfield. Yakovlev died after the ejection due to the defeat of the parachute dome, he was caked, apparently, with an afterburning jet of a flying airplane.

      http://www.hubara-rus.ru/kavkaz3.html#30.07.70
      MiG-21MF (board 8697) in standard sand-green paint for export vehicles applied at the Gorky Aircraft Plant
  39. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 25 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +1
    No question, I propose to withdraw the entire delivered batch of MiG-21 from India, if someone does not like it, buy an F22 rapper. But seriously, I would shoot such a pilot out of principle. You serve your state, you work on the equipment that your state creates or purchases. Be kind, otherwise tomorrow will begin "the military profession is the most dangerous, you know, sometimes in the" office "shoot" Either serve in good faith, or go nah ...
  40. labendik
    labendik 25 August 2013 14: 46 New
    0
    Since when did the su-7 become a heavy fighter?
  41. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 25 August 2013 16: 29 New
    0
    let the tractor driver relearn and plow, 40 years fly and do not buzz, and here you have the right to life
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  43. 0255
    0255 25 August 2013 20: 36 New
    0
    Let them invest more money in PAK FA! And then they fly on airplanes of the 1960s and are surprised that they are falling. In the meantime, the PAK FA has not been fully tested - let them buy the MiG-29 and 35, Su-30 and 35. What, they are offered few planes?