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The condemned country continues to fight

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"Oppositional" fiends


The whole country was sentenced to death. The West is not the first to do this. Previously, the execution was carried out with the help of "democratic" bombs, now they were replaced by "opposition" monsters. When these monsters commit another crime, destroying everything bright, cracking down for any enthusiasm, killing the innocent, they are again and again discussed on the world stage how to help the “rebels”. And the hands of the executioners are already looking for a new victim.
In many cities of Syria, including Damascus, volunteer organizations operate. True enthusiasts and patriots are trying to somehow brighten up the consequences of the tragic events. Volunteers help clean up the streets, collect and distribute humanitarian aid to those in need ... When the whole of Damascus was “decorated” with concrete fences - at least some obstacle for terrorists - volunteers painted them in the colors of the Syrian flag so that they would not look so gloomy. But even such a peaceful activity for the benefit of ordinary people is hated by the militants.

The condemned country continues to fight


In the metropolitan quarter of Rukn al-Din lived 23-year-old student Vala Youssef with her family. The girl took an active part in many volunteer events. Terrorists have repeatedly threatened her. And then a terrible thing happened - death in the guise of "opposition" broke into a peaceful house.
And Vala herself, and almost all members of her family — her father, mother, and two sisters — were found in their own house with their throats cut. It was possible to save only a seven-year-old brother, who hid in the bathroom. But the "opposition" vampires did not stop there - all valuable things disappeared from the house ...

For terrorists, hiding behind the slogans of "democracy" and "change," it doesn’t matter who they kill - women or children, military or civilian. Anyway, kill five people or hundreds - in one night ...

In northern Syria, in the Tel-Abyad border region with Turkey, fiends from Al-Qaida-affiliated Dzhebhat Al-Nusra and Islamic State of Iraq and Levant organized a massacre of 330 women and the elderly and 120 children.

Killed - Kurdish nationality. When the flywheel of the terrible war for the destruction of Syria unwound, one of the Kurds was bought with cheap lures of false "freedom." But after all the atrocities and fury of the "liberators" of the Islamists in the provinces of Hasak and Rakka, they saw the light. And the “Kurdish Brigade”, which was previously among the “freedom fighters”, saw that life under the al-Qaeda occupation was absolutely impossible, went over to the side of the Kurdish self-defense units fighting the fundamentalists.

The massacre in Tel Abyad was the revenge of the bandits who were defeated in the battles. They attacked the peaceful houses, of which the men went to defend themselves. Only women, old people and children remained - those who were not able to wear weapon. And it began terrible.

In an interview with the Voice of Russia radio station, the Syrian parliament’s Kurdish parliament, Omar Osie, said that the Kurds in the north of the country have been fighting against extremist groups for a month, rejecting promises of money and other benefits. Recently, the Kurdish militia managed to liberate the city of Ras Al Ain on the border with Turkey. The massacre of their family members is revenge. The deputy added that as soon as somewhere the residents would fight back the gangsters - the next day the terrorists fired rockets at these villages. Innocent people are dying. The so-called "spiritual leaders" of these groups have issued special fatwas, allowing them to kill Kurds, regardless of gender or age.

As if responding to all kinds of accusations against the army, Axis said: “The Syrian army could not do this. On the contrary, it helps. In those areas, the main task of the army is air support. Aviation more than once saved our people. I urge all Kurdish men to arm themselves and join the ranks of the people's militia or the Syrian army to protect our country from terrorists. "

And this is what one of the surviving inhabitants of the Tel-Hasil village said: “When the Islamists broke into the village and the fighting started from house to house. The real massacre began. At first, we held the line of defense somehow from our last strength and could see what was happening in the captured part ... They immediately killed about 70 people - women, children and old people. Women and children shouted, the old people tried to say something, but they were immediately killed right in the courtyards, in front of their loved ones. They kept them to watch. And women and children were bullied and then killed. We all saw this too, but could not do anything - we had almost no ammunition left. Some of the houses were burning, there was smoke, and under its cover we tried to get anyone out of the village. My family and I got to the next village, from where I got to Afrin.

Syrian Ambassador to Russia Riyad Haddad blamed the terrible massacre of Kurds on the Turkish government: “For two years they have been waging a senseless war, but they don’t get anything for a simple reason: the Syrian people for the most part are in favor of the government. As for the mass slaughter of the Kurds in the north of Syria, this is part of a new conspiracy, headed personally by Erdogan. His goal is to undermine the rights of the Kurdish people and continue the destruction of the Syrian state. When the Syrian army began to drive the militants back to the borders with Turkey, they decided to cut and burn hundreds of people in impotent rage. ”

Terrorists seek to spread the fire of war to the most flourishing corners of Syria, where it was still calm. Suffering defeat at Homs and Aleppo, they decided to hit the north of the province of Latakia. In the villages located there, few combat-ready men remained - they went into the army ... In the areas of Salma and Huff, gangsters killed on religious grounds - for belonging to the Alawite, mostly women and children. The exact death toll is still unknown. Killed with their families. More than 100 man hijacked. Among them are the imam of the mosque, Sheikh Badr al-Din Gazzal. Soon the terrorists posted a video on the network in which this elderly man was covered in blood - he was subjected to inhuman torture. Nothing more is known about his fate ...

In addition to mass slaughter, terrorist attacks continue. The echo of the terrible explosion in the suburb of Damascus Jaraman 25 July, which killed ten passers-by, did not have time to echo - as a new tragedy occurred in the same city, in the same crowded Al-Suef Square .. In the evening of August 6, when most people gathered for Iftar, - A new car bomb blast thundered and killed 18 people already. Among the fallen - three children. About 60 people injured. In one of the houses from the explosion there was a fire.

The next day, in the city of Katana (Damascus province), gangsters laid a "hellish car" near the Al-Baath school. The explosion killed 6 people, four were injured. The school suffered a lot of damage.

The district of Seid Zeinab, where the great shrine for all self-respecting Muslims - the tomb of the Prophet's granddaughter - is located, was subjected to mortar attack by militants. Five dead, 12 injured ...

Who in the world will hear the groans of dying explosions? Who will hear the cries of women and children being killed in once peaceful villages? Who will hear the voice of the sentenced country?

But one of the "opposition leaders" openly said: "We want to create a balance of fear on earth." If there is no balance of power ...

About croissants, colonialism and hypocrisy

The West calls the "opposition" fighters "with dictatorship." And this "liberators" managed to take control of several areas of the city and province of Aleppo. It would seem that there should be full democracy!

And she did not keep herself waiting ... At first, women were forbidden to go out without hijabs and use cosmetics. With the beginning of Ramadan, a new “law” was invented: those who do not observe the fast are threatened with a year in prison.

At the "opposition" checkpoints, all passersby were forced to show languages. For those who do not eat or drink all day, they become white (but not all of them depend on the reaction of the organism). If someone has a non-white language, they are brutally beaten and sent to prison. They refer to the decision of a certain “Sharia committee”, which decided: for non-observance of fasting, one-year sentence is imposed.

So, when it is impossible for gangsters to hide behind democratic slogans, they make a miserable cover-up from Islam. But according to any religion, including Islam, fasting is a purely voluntary affair. No one has the right to enforce fasting, and God will not accept such a “fast” at gunpoint.

It is characteristic that the “guardians of the purity of Islam” themselves did not observe the fast throughout Ramadan. They argue that those who participate in hostilities are exempted from fasting. At the same time, they forget one important thing: first of all, Islam categorically prohibits fratricide. Especially - during Ramadan. But the militants are shaking desperately over the letter of religion, completely discarding its spirit.

Comes to outright curiosities. Recently, the Sharia Committee, operating in the terrorist-controlled areas of Aleppo and the province, issued an order banning croissants. Allegedly, they are "a symbol of Western colonialism." Yes, indeed, the fashion for croissants in Syria appeared even in those times when the country was under the mandate of France. So the “freedom fighters” also declare themselves “fighters against colonialism”.
However, they do not stop taking weapons from these same colonialists. And not just to take, but to openly demand help. They do not hesitate to hide behind his back, and the president and ministers of the same France often met with "opposition" leaders.

And most importantly, the flag that the “opposition” has chosen for itself is the very flag that Syria had during the days of French colonialism.
So what have the croissants?

On the position of Russia and the silence of the West

The Russian Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the terrorist attack that took place on August 6 in the city of Dzharaman. “Like 25 July, a car filled with explosives was blown up in a busy place. As a result of the 18 terrorist attack, people died and several dozen were injured. Among the victims are women and children. We express our deep condolences to the families of the victims. We wish a speedy recovery to the injured, ”said in a statement published on the website of the Foreign Ministry.

“We strongly condemn the next terrorist raid. Retreating before the government forces in open confrontation, extremists recoup their defenseless civilians, trying to intimidate people by their actions, wreak havoc, sharpen sectarian tensions, ”the Foreign Ministry said.

Russia again insistently urged "all states and parties that have an influence on extremists and radicals in Syria, to demand from them an immediate cessation of terrorist attacks and armed violence."

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov strongly condemned the massacre of the Kurdish population in the north of the SAR. At a joint press conference with his counterpart from Ghana, Hannah Tette, he said: “This is not the first news of such a massacre. They came before, but the scale is now really going wild ... This must be immediately put an end to. I expect that the UN Security Council, without any reservations, will strongly condemn the attacks and will consistently maintain its position. Previously, we observed how some Security Council members did not want to condemn terrorist acts in Syria, based on the fact that - cynically it may sound - those who carry out these acts are fighting against the exhausted regime. Such a position is absolutely unacceptable. Terrorism must be approached without double standards. ”

“I hope those who influence the oppositionists still push them to think not about the struggle for power, but about their country, the fate of their people,” the minister added.

But it happened exactly what the Russian Foreign Minister spoke against - the draft Russian statement on Syria was once again blocked in the UN Security Council. Neither the terrorist attack in Dzharamane nor the genocide of the Kurds was “punched” by the pitiful little Western politicians.

But Obama has allocated 185 more millions of dollars for "humanitarian assistance to the people of Syria." This "help" will go to the bandits for the purchase of new weapons. Who will kill all new and new people ... The sentence remains in force.

Western actions have reached the point that even a pro-Western politician like Dmitry Medvedev has been condemned. He made an unexpected statement: The West in the Middle East acts like an elephant in a china shop: it smashes, and then does not know what to do.

In an interview with Russia Today, the prime minister admitted: “What good was the Arab spring to the Arab world? Freedom? Only in part. In a significant number of states, these are endless bloody clashes, regime changes, endless disturbances. So here, too, I have no illusions ... It didn’t end with anything good. In Iraq, everything is very restless. Every day there are dozens of people being killed ... Libya, in fact, is torn to pieces by this war, and today it exists as several separate areas that are not fully controlled from the capital, which we assumed. I'm not talking about the fate of Gaddafi, which is terrible ... And this is another stain on the conscience of those who made the decision to conduct a military operation. "

He added that Syria is also on the verge of a military conflict, which is very sad. “We have always believed that the Syrians themselves should deal with their problems. But this active intervention in internal affairs can give rise to the same problems there, and we can get another unstable state that is permanently in a state of civil war. ”

It only remains to ask the question: Dmitry Anatolyevich, where were you and your position in March 2011? In that terrible month, the “world community” sentenced Libya and, personally, Muammar Gaddafi to death ... Russia did not have to veto a decision on a “no-fly zone”. One lift of the hand - and hundreds of thousands of lives would be saved. Including - and the life of Gaddafi himself, about whose fate you were so late bewildered. And then there would be no today's sentence of Syria - and the Syrian cities would live in peace ... And the student volunteer Vala Youssef would live with his family, Kurdish women and children, and the residents of Dzharamany killed by the terrorist act ...

Syrian President defeated disinformation

During the execution of Libya, the media repeatedly announced the murder of the son of Gaddafi Khamis - but every time he was alive. It even spawned jokes: one militant says to another: "We killed Khamis." - "What's again?"

Currently, the same campaign is going on with respect to Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. 8 August, on the day of the beginning of Eid al-Fitr, when the head of state traditionally takes part in the festive prayer, the terrorists threatened that they would not allow the president to go to the mosque, that they were blocking all the roads, that they were preparing a "surprise".

However, against all odds, the president arrived at the mosque. And then the bandits, along with the Al-Arabiya TV channel supporting them, literally choked on their own lies.

The representative of the “Syrian opposition”, the leader of one of the groups, was broadcasting from the screen: they say, “our intelligence has spotted the route of Bashar Al-Assad. Our fighters fired 17 shells at them, and we hit. ”

Shortly after such a “revelation,” Syrian television showed footage from a festive prayer in which the president took part.



ATS Information Minister stated that such media as Al-Arabia and their patrons dream about it in vain. In fact, the president himself drove a car, congratulated the Syrians, shook hands with those present, listened to the wishes of citizens. He called on the leadership of "Al-Arabia" to dismiss employees who broadcast frank disinformation.

Of course, waiting for the dismissal of liars is not necessary. Rather, even hire additional ones. But the “opposition” and its owners can only helplessly admit that they have lied. Or to admit that, since the leader hated by him, survived after 17 (!) Hits of shells, they are really dealing with a titanic, even unearthly force, which is truly impossible to defeat! No lies, no rockets.

Sentenced to death, the country and its president continue to fight against the entire deceitful Western world, against the most reactionary Gulf monarchies, against the indifference of all the others ...
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  1. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 10 August 2013 07: 22
    20
    And on the "spiritual" bums issuing such permissive fetfs (that is, according to the medieval - indulgences to leave future and past sins) - you can open the hunting season to the appropriate services ??? In kyno they wet every shushara very dexterously ...
    1. krasin
      krasin 10 August 2013 07: 54
      27
      One show of hands - and hundreds of thousands of lives would be saved. Including the life of Gaddafi himself, whose fate you so belatedly lamented. And then there would be no Syrian verdict today - and the Syrian cities would live in peace ... And the volunteer student Vala Yusef and his family, Kurdish women and children, and the residents of Jaramana killed by the attack would be alive ...


      Our excellent student in school pulled his hands, and then the gut is weak, a liberal horseradish
      1. Turik
        Turik 10 August 2013 09: 43
        26
        What does Doomed Country mean? What a decadent mood, and even on our site? When my grandfather was alive, regimental commissars helped such alarmists to perk up.

        Yes, I understand that the army of the Republic of Syria, recruited from bakers, potters and peasants, is opposed by well-fed Al Qaeda fighters and other riffraffers, but these potters and bakers fight for their homes, relatives, relatives, children and the future they want to take away from them.
        1. elenagromova
          10 August 2013 12: 14
          +9
          where is the word "doomed" here?
          1. Turik
            Turik 10 August 2013 12: 58
            +5
            Just now I noticed that in a fit of anger I wrote "doomed" country.

            Well, just one title of the article laid out on our far from pro-Western site was so outraged that it almost fell into swearing.

            Thank you for noticing!
            1. elenagromova
              10 August 2013 13: 08
              +5
              just do not understand what could cause outrage.
              This is, like, you accuse me of the pro-Western? ))))
              Sorry, and then read the names?
              Maybe it’s better to really focus on such chronic defeatists as ayyildiz or lonely?
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 10 August 2013 13: 18
                -3


                Pay attention to the flags of Elena Gromova!
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Pay attention to the flags of Elena Gromova!

                  And where is this video taken ??
                  and what's the point ?? where do they get tanks ??
                  1. alone
                    alone 10 August 2013 14: 13
                    +2
                    Dear Alibek! clearly from where. Syrian army taken by force
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 31
                      +5
                      Quote: lonely
                      Dear Alibek! clearly from where. Syrian army taken by force

                      Kurds ??
                      Do the army have force?
                      1. alone
                        alone 10 August 2013 14: 36
                        +4
                        of course. unfortunately, we must admit that in the army there are some formations which, when retreating, throw weapons, ammunition and even armored vehicles that fall into the hands of the enemy. no wonder the Kurds have tanks
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 41
                        +5
                        Quote: lonely
                        of course. unfortunately, we must admit that in the army there are some formations which, when retreating, throw weapons, ammunition and even armored vehicles that fall into the hands of the enemy. no wonder the Kurds have tanks

                        So the Kurds do not fight Assad’s army !!
                        Barzani seems to have fitted them with tanks!
                      3. alone
                        alone 10 August 2013 14: 51
                        +3
                        Alibek, look at the video that Metin laid out. Kurds removed the Syrian state flag from the outpost and hung up their own. The militants use black flags, the ss also has a different flag. They repulsed the outpost from the regular army. So they are fighting against everyone. I don’t think the barzani drove them tanks. now Turkey’s air force would bomb northern Iraq
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 58
                        +7
                        Quote: lonely
                        Alibek, look at the video that Metin laid out. Kurds removed the Syrian state flag from the outpost and hung up their own. The militants use black flags, the ss also has a different flag. They repulsed the outpost from the regular army. So they are fighting against everyone. I don’t think the barzani drove them tanks. now Turkey’s air force would bomb northern Iraq

                        Yes, apparently you are right!
                        Careful preparations are under way to break up Turkey too!
                        But I hope it’s too tough for them!
                      5. grafrozow
                        grafrozow 10 August 2013 16: 39
                        +6
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Yes, apparently you are right!
                        Careful preparations are under way to break up Turkey too!
                        But I hope it’s too tough for them!

                        Guys, it’s the case in the GAS PIPELINE and Assad when he said, there will be no gas pipeline through Syria, and here the opposition and the militants-OIL appeared, that’s the reason, open your eyes.
                      6. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 10 August 2013 23: 57
                        +1
                        it’s not even the Qatari pipe, but the Iranian one (that’s where the doggie is ...)
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                      8. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 11 August 2013 06: 00
                        0
                        Yarbay ( , Thunderbolt --- In principle, the ban deserved, huh? the administration in principle should get me down. yes for violation of the rules of the resource.
                      9. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        - in principle, the ban is deserved, huh? the administration in principle should get me down. for violation of the rules of the resource.

                        in mine yes)) in yours I do not know))
                    2. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 07: 27
                      0
                      Do not be afraid - it will not hurt.
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                  4. eplewke
                    eplewke 12 August 2013 12: 15
                    0
                    Well, this is clear to the student ... But this is not a cause but a consequence. And in view of this consequence, there are still a bunch of new problems ...
                2. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 17: 58
                  +2
                  Do you think that the Kurds do not have the right to create their own state? In principle, your geopolitical layouts are understandable, but it seems to keep 40 million. The people under the rule of others will hardly succeed, especially after the emergence of Iraqi and now Syrian Kurdistan.
                3. KG_patriot_last
                  KG_patriot_last 10 August 2013 18: 01
                  +3
                  Turkey that is not mentioned? are those Kurds not eligible? laughing
                4. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 10 August 2013 18: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Do you think that the Kurds do not have the right to create their own state?

                  Throughout history, they have not had a state !!
                  Why did the British when they created the states in the Middle East did not create the Kurdish ??
                  Created small Wahhabi monarchies ??
                  Why did Israel create in due time and did not want Kurdistan ??
                  I just needed an eternal crap for Turkey and the Arabs !!
                  Now it's time to use this hemorrhoids in full))
                5. KG_patriot_last
                  KG_patriot_last 10 August 2013 18: 15
                  +2
                  Do not exaggerate their foresight and mind. At the time of the isolation of the Arab, Persian, Caucasian state formations, Turkey was not such a small power, there would not be enough strengths for the weakening colonial France and the British would take away the land from it.
                  And Iran was still a more or less friendly country against the Russian Empire. But they were weak at that time, so the Kurds were fragmented between several countries.
                6. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 18: 16
                  +3
                  Modern stories! In fact, the Kurds, being the descendants of the Medes, are the only auto-honts of this region.
                7. Sandov
                  Sandov 10 August 2013 20: 36
                  0
                  And Great Armenia - remember? BV is a crap for the whole world. And the amers picked it up. And the people because of the amerskoy! "Philanthropy" - suffer.
                8. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Sandov
                  And Great Armenia - remember?


                  Remember what's wrong with her?
                9. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 22: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Sandov
                  And Great Armenia - remember? BV is a crap for the whole world. And the amers picked it up. And the people because of the amerskoy! "Philanthropy" - suffer.

                  Do you mean the kingdom of Cilicia? Oh, this is more than an interesting point. The fact is that many serious ethnographers consider the Alawites to be descendants of the Cilicians. hi
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 38
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              Why did the British when they created the states in the Middle East did not create the Kurdish ??
              Created small Wahhabi monarchies ??
              Why did Israel create in due time and did not want Kurdistan ??


              Comrade, the British besides the "Balfour Declaration" more and more put a stick in the wheels of the creation of Israel.


              Quote: Yarbay
              I just needed an eternal crap for Turkey and the Arabs !!
              Now it's time to use this hemorrhoids in full))


              I agree that the British have been playing the "Kurdish card" for three hundred years, if not more. what
            3. Corsair
              Corsair 11 August 2013 00: 02
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              I just needed an eternal crap for Turkey and the Arabs !!
              Now it's time to use this hemorrhoids in full))

              Maybe I am mistaken, but the creation of a unified Kurdish state will subsequently be a "haemorrhoid" for Israel too ...
            4. Yarbay
              Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 16
              +2
              Quote: Corsair
              Maybe I am mistaken, but the creation of a unified Kurdish state will subsequently be a "haemorrhoid" for Israel too ...

              No, I don’t think !!
              This state is created precisely in order to distract the Arabs from Israel !!
              They will not get along with either the Arabs or the Turks! And they have no borders with Israel!
            5. Corsair
              Corsair 12 August 2013 00: 13
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              No, I don’t think !!
              This state is created precisely in order to distract the Arabs from Israel !!
              They will not get along with either the Arabs or the Turks! And they have no borders with Israel!

              So, Iran also has no border with Israel, but nonetheless .... repeat
            6. alone
              alone 12 August 2013 00: 18
              +1
              the fact is that Iran-Syria-Lebanon (Hezbollah) are allies. Moreover, Hezbollah is financed and armed by Iran. One of the reasons for the war is to destroy this alliance. Asad’s defeats will also lead to defeat of Hezbollah. All that goes from Iran to Hezbollah get there through Syria. just trying to push Iran out of the Middle East.
      2. Che
        Che 11 August 2013 11: 44
        +2
        Why did the British when they created the states in the Middle East did not create the Kurdish ??

        Yarbey is your rhetorical question, you already know the answer. Divide and rule.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 07: 04
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Do you think that the Kurds do not have the right to create their own state?

      No Kurds have the right to eat!
    3. Essenger
      Essenger 12 August 2013 04: 38
      +3
      Quote: Karlsonn
      No Kurds have the right to eat!

      And who gave you the right to decide who has the right to self-determination and who does not? Kurds have the right to self-determination.
  2. Che
    Che 11 August 2013 11: 41
    +3
    If amers split Turkey, there will be porridge. Erdogan managed to put his military on the bunk. Who will fight for the motherland?
  3. Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: Che
    If amers split Turkey, there will be porridge

    Everything goes to this!
    Apparently this is an important task for them!
    Quote: Che
    Erdogan managed to put his military on the bunk. Who will fight for the motherland?

    I always said that this is not the merit of Erdogan!
    Amer bosses allowed him to do this!
    And there is someone to fight there !!
    They tried to strike at the prestige of the army, it didn’t seem to work!
  4. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 11 August 2013 16: 48
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Everything goes to this!

    There other problems will appear if the Turks say get out of the west of Turkey, then it will not be sweet for the Kurds! They will immediately start fighting among themselves!

    And it is unlikely that all Kurds will want to secede, at least 80% for Turkey
  5. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 11 August 2013 17: 00
    +1
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Quote: Yarbay
    Everything goes to this!

    There other problems will arise if the Turks say get out of the west of Turkey, then it will not be sweet for the Kurds! They will immediately start fighting among themselves! And it is unlikely that all Kurds will want to secede, at least 80% for Turkey

    Well, the last promise is unlikely. No nation wants, if it has a choice, to be an integral part of a larger nation that, for objective reasons, will pursue an assimilation policy and simply rely on its own national / cadres.
    Another thing surprises me. Why the Turks are not ahead of the curve. For example, Kurdish autonomy is created in 40% of the territory claimed by the Kurds, in which all political and economic benefits will be provided to the Kurds so that the most pasionary part of the Kurds will move there, and then in the end Turkey may well create the Kurdish State, as once Russia created Finland.
  6. Che
    Che 11 August 2013 17: 30
    +1
    Apparently amers there are playing quiet. Instability is beneficial at this stage to keep Turkey in check.
  7. Yarbay
    Yarbay 12 August 2013 14: 36
    +3
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Why the Turks are not ahead of the curve.

    Because they can’t !!
    Because they do not allow it!
    Do you think Turkey dreamed that there would be a Kurdish autonomy in Iraq ???
    They were forced to agree with this !!
    Politicians in Turkey often came across naive trust like America !!
    Only this is not a naive trust, but a full realization of weakness or frank betrayal!
    I am inclined to the second!
  8. grafrozow
    grafrozow 10 August 2013 16: 26
    -1
    Quote: lonely
    of course. unfortunately, we must admit that in the army there are some formations which, when retreating, throw weapons, ammunition and even armored vehicles that fall into the hands of the enemy. no wonder the Kurds have tanks

    Otozh and it. A freebie is a freebie.
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  10. smile
    smile 11 August 2013 03: 48
    +1
    alone
    Sorry to have climbed in .... but you can imagine a connection - a division, or a brigade that harmoniously throws weapons and military equipment to hell knows who ..... this is impossible in principle ....
  11. alone
    alone 11 August 2013 09: 05
    0
    it is possible, there are several options. 1) panic, 2) loss of command and control, 3) desertion 4) unscheduled withdrawal, etc. anything is possible in war. There are no exceptions
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 August 2013 14: 21
    +3
    http://www.sabah.com.tr/Dunya/2013/08/10/pydnin-tanklari-turkiye-sinirinda

    http://avrupagazete.com/gundemdekiler/15556-pyd-tanklari-turkiye-sinirinda.html
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 07: 14
    0
    So what? what does the movie mean?
  • alone
    alone 10 August 2013 13: 29
    0
    I’m not a chronic defeatist, I’m a military man, unlike you versed in military affairs and in the security system. After 17 shell hits, a person cannot survive, and to understand this does not require a huge mind. When writing something, at least consult with competent people so that later we don’t have to correct your omissions
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 13: 36
      +8
      Didn't you even catch me ironic about 17 shells? Well, it is impossible to perceive so straightforwardly, even by the military))))
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 13: 42
        +6
        but don’t have to ironic. citizens sitting here who care about what is happening there needs information, not irony. and the fact that 17 shells fell into the president’s motorcade, the last time it was denied and it was said that the fables of Western media, now it says that the person survived? do you perceive it yourself? also with irony? where is the truth?
        1. elenagromova
          10 August 2013 13: 44
          +4
          - Here is the brain of the ensign. One gyrus.
          - This is not a gyrus. This is a trace of the cap ...
          1. alone
            alone 10 August 2013 13: 46
            +6
            I ask you not to go on insults. do you think all ensigns are brainless?
          2. elenagromova
            10 August 2013 13: 48
            +6
            This is by no means to all military men.
            But usually normal people perceive such artistic techniques as irony, sarcasm, metaphor, etc.
          3. alone
            alone 10 August 2013 13: 55
            +3
            understand only one thing. I’m not indifferent to the fate of Syria, if only because I studied with my friend as a Syrian. I’m no longer alive. Just when you write an article, you can find competent people among the members of the forum and consult. And sometimes it turns out like with a peaceful tractor fired at the Chinese border hi I have the honor !!
          4. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 August 2013 14: 00
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            I do not care about the fate of Syria


            And I do not care about the fate of my fellow tribesmen, of whom there are 1,5-3 millions!
          5. Setrac
            Setrac 10 August 2013 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            understand only one thing. I do not care about the fate of Syria, if only because I studied with my friend the Syrian

            Are you saying this to the man with the flag of Syria? Your indifference is too revealing.
          6. grafrozow
            grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 03
            -3
            Quote: Setrac

            Are you saying this to the man with the flag of Syria? Your indifference is too revealing.
            Indicative is her incompetence, and this is not her first "Cant", each case should be dealt with by a specialist, and not the one who wants it. It brings more harm than good with its articles.
          7. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 21
            +1
            Quote: grafrozow
            Indicative is her incompetence, and this is not her first "Cant", each case should be dealt with by a specialist, and not the one who wants it. It brings more harm than good with its articles.


            We are waiting for a competent article from you! yes
          8. grafrozow
            grafrozow 10 August 2013 23: 59
            +4
            Quote: Karlsonn
            We are waiting for a competent article from you!
            I can't write about Syria, but I read not only Gromova's reports, I have something to compare with. I live in the North, last week I went to the former construction site 501, but it will not be interesting for you, since this is not the best page in our history, I can write about the life of the Khanty and the Nenets, about our GAZPROM, about the "snickering" northerners. For you a simple photo - my yard June 16, 2013. This is how the summer began. Not bad at all, is it? There is a good photo from the day of the reindeer herder, but this is not the topic of your site. I honestly served the Motherland, and your site does not allow me to forget my service, and I am interested in the opinions of different people on various issues, but I don't accept rudeness and labeling of disagreements. hi
          9. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 August 2013 00: 41
            +2
            Quote: grafrozow
            I can’t write about Syria, but I read not only Gromova’s reports, there is nothing to compare.


            That is, I can’t create, but can I criticize?

            Quote: grafrozow
            .I live in the North, last week I went to the former construction site 501, but it will not be interesting for you, since this is not the best page in our history, I can write about the life of the Khanty and Nenets, about our GAZPROM, about the "snickering" northerners


            As a grandson and son of a Chekist, I don’t know the current situation, but I can only imagine how I spent my childhood in Kolyma, youth in the Far East.

            Quote: grafrozow
            but you will not be interested


            It’s very interesting, since in spite of the Kiev registration I am a Far East. fellow

            Quote: grafrozow
            .Skin off to you a simple photo of my yard 16 June 2013g. So the summer began. Not bad at all, right?


            We were not surprised at our officer’s house in Blagoveshchensk in the mornings, the lieutenants jumped from the 2 floor to dig out the front door to the exit of senior officers.

            Quote: grafrozow
            There is a good photo from the day of the reindeer herder


            communicated with reindeer herders from birth - it’s not for you to tell me how it is and what, with all due respect.


            Quote: grafrozow
            . I honestly served the Motherland


            How did the noble past hinder? My son and grandson and great-grandson of the peasants only helped my victories in the international arena (I played only in friendly competitions, fought for the valor of the USSR Olympic reserve with the Chinese and Koreans) - the flag and anthem of the USSR for me did not lose their value, oath: October, pioneer and I didn’t violate the Komsomol member, which does not prevent me, as a communist, from considering the enemies, ideological, in the first place, the official, criminal, opportunist parties of Zyuganov and Simonenko. am they will be loaded first on the barges!

            Quote: grafrozow
            , and your site doesn’t let me forget my service,


            That is, not an oath, but a site? It’s strange.

            Quote: grafrozow
            and I’m interested in the opinions of different people on different issues, but I’m not accepting rudeness and hanging all kinds of labels.


            Since you were rude, no one has been rude here for a long time.
          10. grafrozow
            grafrozow 11 August 2013 02: 32
            -3
            Quote: Karlsonn
            How did the noble past hinder? My son and grandson and great-grandson of the peasants, the origin only helped for victories in the international arena (
            Everyone knows about your communist victories, people make up legends. Learn to distinguish between service to the Motherland and service to the communist regime, my background prevented me from graduating from the seafarers, they opened only a small visa, I had to study auto mechanics.
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Since you were rude, no one has been rude here for a long time.
            Elena Gromova's answer to Lonely- "This is the ensign's brain. One gyrus ... This is a trace from the cap" Yes, a well-mannered lady, there is nothing to add. Well, you, as the son and grandson of a Chekist, are not used to such slang. I have the honor. And here's what else, you are in Kiev, Gromova in Syria and teach us Russians how to behave, in an original way.
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          13. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 August 2013 06: 07
            0
            Quote: grafrozow
            Everyone knows about your communist victories, the people make legends.

            You nobles, we communists did as children.


            Quote: grafrozow
            Elena Gromova's answer to Lonely- "This is the ensign's brain. One gyrus ... This is a trace from the cap" Yes, a well-mannered lady, there is nothing to add. Well, you, as the son and grandson of a Chekist, are not used to such slang. I have the honor. And here's what else, you are in Kiev, Gromova in Syria and teach us Russians how to behave, in an original way.

            whites were running! like pissers!
          14. Far East
            Far East 11 August 2013 10: 00
            +2
            Quote: grafrozow
            sailors, they opened only a small visa, I had to study at auto mechanics.

            Respected! this is how to understand a "small visa" I did not study in a sailor, I am a minder-cat. I just have a visa anywhere! this is nonsense for me with respect.
        2. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 11: 54
          +1
          I read you so clearly all past life was remembered. Nostalgia. It was an amazing time.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 11 August 2013 00: 57
    0
    Quote: grafrozow
    Indicative is her incompetence, and this is not her first "Cant", each case should be dealt with by a specialist, and not the one who wants it. It brings more harm than good with its articles.

    THINKING is for a man, so that he, based on his mind, knowledge and experience, could separate the wheat from the chaff. After all, it is clear that any information coming from Syria through independent channels is worth its weight in gold (after all, it is sometimes "mined" with a threat to life)
    Yes, annoying mistakes and inconsistencies can happen, but even the "masters" of journalism are not insured against them ...
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 03: 51
    -2
    Quote: Corsair
    Yes, annoying mistakes and inconsistencies can happen, but even the "masters" of journalism are not insured against them ...


    All this ends at a meeting - he will meet me for pissing on the carpet.
  • Vodrak
    Vodrak 11 August 2013 12: 26
    +1
    Minus you huge !!
    What is the harm? Justify, back up with material, supplement, finally correct .....
    But these, albeit not quite professional (from the military point of view) articles, make us not to forget about this terrible war.
    They help to see what is happening in Syria, they make me think at last .....
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 August 2013 13: 50
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    I ask you not to go on insults


    Usually insults go when there is nothing to say!
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 11
    +6
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Usually insults go when there is nothing to say!


    Everything is said in the article, the lack of understanding by some of the author’s text is a personal problem of these very few.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 10 August 2013 13: 59
    -7
    In Russia, at least 3 Putin, if necessary, will be released yet - is there really less Assad and no plan for rotation in the event of an assassination attempt?
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 14: 03
      +3
      Well, in general, Bashar is known for his closeness to the people and not dwelling on security issues ... Before all this, he could go to a cafe without security.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 06
      -2
      Quote: elenagromova
      .. Before all this, he could even go into a cafe without security.

      Our deputies also go to cafes without protection, to the "Duma" cafe.
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  • Corsair
    Corsair 11 August 2013 00: 41
    +2
    Quote: Volkhov
    In Russia, at least 3 Putin, if necessary, will be released yet - is there really less Assad and no plan for rotation in the event of an assassination attempt?

    How much to drink to "triple" lol ?
  • alone
    alone 11 August 2013 00: 44
    +1
    I think a lot)))))))))))))))))
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 11 August 2013 20: 33
    0
    Maybe they are brothers - the elder speaker, the younger ones reading.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 01
    -18 qualifying.
    Quote: lonely
    but don’t have to ironic. people sitting here who care about what happens there needs information, not irony. and the fact that 17 shells fell into the president’s motorcade, the last time it was disproved and it was said that the fables of Western media, now it says that the person survived? do you perceive it yourself? also with irony

    *** There is a version that all the same Assad killed. The cutlet remained from the convoy, and the record of the prayer that Syrian TV later demonstrated turned out to be a record. On the video there is such a type, Zeyno Bury, the Alep sheikh, concurrently the leader of the Alep gang-retethers from the Shabiha. His rebels executed in public on July 31, 2012, and in the video from the prayer this Bury was on the same video with Assad. So the record went on the air and for some reason went on it and can’t show Assad himself. I hope to kill him.

    Here is a video of a Syrian TV show about the supposedly festive prayer of today, where this Bury is there. ***


    this is from one of the forums I brought !!
    http://military-az.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32&start=1860
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 14: 06
      +2
      Hope further
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  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 10 August 2013 17: 17
    +6
    I hope to kill him.
    - What did the Syrian leader do for you or your country? Or are you prettier than the Islamists, cutting off people's heads, burning civilian hostages alive than those who are fighting these creatures?
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 17: 29
    +2
    Quote: Injun Joe
    I hope to kill him. - What did the Syrian leader do for you or your country? Or are you prettier than the Islamists, cutting off people's heads, burning civilian hostages alive than those who are fighting these creatures?

    I hope that you have more than one gyrus))))
    What to distinguish the link from my opinion can distinguish after at least an hour)))))))
  • elenagromova
    10 August 2013 22: 39
    +1
    We looked closely with the Syrians.
    The video is definitely fresh.
    He does not have Sheikh Muhammad Said Ramadan Al-Buti killed by bandits this year. And he always took part in such events.
    Aleppsky Sheikh was not identified - this is absolutely not the one about whom they spoke. He did not participate in such events.
    + Hundreds of people saw Assad in the mosque.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 23: 04
    +1
    Quote: elenagromova
    We looked closely with the Syrians.
    The video is definitely fresh.
    He does not have Sheikh Muhammad Said Ramadan Al-Buti killed by bandits this year. And he always took part in such events.

    Very glad!
    I'm not saying that it is not fresh))))
    It is quite possible removed before July 31st !! There is a suspicion that he did not arrive on the day of the holiday!
    And you have not yet dispelled them))
    By the way, about Buti, too, rumors are circulating that the Asadites killed and the video is attached where he is alive after the explosion!
    Quote: elenagromova
    Aleppsky Sheikh was not identified - this is absolutely not the one about whom they spoke. He did not participate in such events.

    You are journalist Elena)))
    No need to say it's not him or him!
    The fact that you can see on the frames a man very similar to a sheikh!
    Let’s with friends find the one on the video, tell me the name, surname, position!
    Show him other pics!
    Well, if you take more interviews from him, I will consider you a journalist who does his job !!
    Then we will brand together those who launched the duck!
    In the meantime, the fact that the person in the video is completely passing for a sheikh !!
    Quote: elenagromova
    + Hundreds of people saw Assad in the mosque.

    I repeat this not a fact, but your words, which are possible, as well as about their shells, there were already (17 pieces) your fiction!
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 24
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    You are journalist Elena)))
    No need to say it's not him or him!


    It seems that a refutation is still required.

    Quote: Yarbay
    , and your words, which are possible, as well as about their shells, were already (17 pieces) Your fiction!


    Here is the stop! stop Yarbay you're wrong, now someone will throw you a link that about the mortar shelling and 17 minutes was not the first Elena said, but one of the jerboas from the "opposition".

    Do not drive yourself into a puddle. No.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 23: 32
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Here stop! Yarbay you are wrong, now someone will throw you a link that about the mortar shelling and 17 minutes the first was not Elena said, but one of the jerboas from the "opposition".

    Do not drive yourself into a puddle.

    I agree!
    I went too far !!
    Entered into a rage)))))))
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 00: 48
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    I agree!
    I went too far !!
    Entered into a rage)))))))


    I myself have gone too far in this thread repeat .

    Yarbay someone tapped me crying the shortage of articles affected, you, as an experienced person, will not tell me on what conditions the warning is removed?
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 05
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Yarbay someone tapped me; the deficit of articles affected me; you, as an experienced person, will not tell me on what conditions the warning is removed?

    Only sincere confession of guilt and hope for the mercy of fellow moderators))))
    I myself quite rightly struck a complete warning)))
  • Professor
    Professor 11 August 2013 07: 55
    -3
    Quote: elenagromova
    He does not have Sheikh Muhammad Said Ramadan Al-Buti killed by bandits this year. And he always took part in such events.
    Aleppsky Sheikh was not identified - this is absolutely not the one about whom they spoke. He did not participate in such events.

    You are our storyteller! And who is that mysterious person in the video? FULL NAME?

    Quote: elenagromova
    + Hundreds of people saw Assad in the mosque.

    They made me laugh. Are you from those hundreds or on local TV reported? We sat in a puddle so have the conscience to admit it.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 13
    +2
    Quote: elenagromova
    Aleppsky Sheikh was not identified - this is absolutely not the one about whom they spoke. He did not participate in such events.

    I want to help you Elena))))
    All the same, you watched inattentively with the Syrians)
    Again I give you a link there, pay attention to the clarification of the same user Zeynal!
    Although a person is unfriendly towards Assad and is tendentious, he writes honestly in this case !!
    http://military-az.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32&start=1920
  • Far East
    Far East 11 August 2013 10: 08
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    I hope to kill him.

    Then I don’t understand it! and Assad did your sho state.
  • eplewke
    eplewke 12 August 2013 12: 23
    0
    I look at you in the family not without freaks! there are such people, wildly stupid ...
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 08
    +5
    Quote: lonely
    and do not be ironic


    What other tips would you give the author?

    Quote: lonely
    and not irony. and the fact that the president’s motorcade included 17 shells, the last time it was disproved and it was said that the fables of the Western media, now it says that the person has survived? How do you perceive it? also with irony? where is the truth?


    If you are not able to understand the irony and you need information, read the briefings of the Syrian Defense Ministry.
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 14: 17
      +6
      Alexey, you know, this is not even the case. All the same, the pure and bitter truth is much better than the sweet lie. To the author, the only claim is that you should consult when fighting is described. The only problem is this.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 30
      +6
      Quote: lonely
      Alexey, you know, this is not even the case. All the same, the pure and bitter truth is much better than the sweet lie. To the author, the only claim is that you should consult when fighting is described. The only problem is this.

      you are absolutely right!
      I remember about Deraa here I had a dispute!
      The comrade claimed that the militants are surrounded and will be destroyed in the next month!
      To my question that we have been hearing this for 6 months already and, apparently, the bandits are completely unaware of what they are surrounded by, they put me in sympathetic bandits))))
      By the way, more than 6 months have passed since then)))))
      I do not need propaganda, I need facts so that I can assess the situation!
      On whose side I am, I myself know very well!
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      the author claims only that it is necessary to consult when fighting is described. The only problem is this.


      The wartime Sovinformburo reports were also far from modern analytical articles of specialists, nevertheless they trusted them more than Goebbels said, the current situation is similar.
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    5. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: grafrozow
      You forgot, now is not 1941 year


      What changed? The West is lying like Goebbels, "our" information field is designed, unfortunately, only for "ours" - we are not pouring our propaganda into the brains of the Westerners, once again, what has changed?


      Quote: grafrozow
      . Enough of us to slip the bullshit, I have no other word for the reports of Helen.


      Are you not tired of being rude?
    6. grafrozow
      grafrozow 11 August 2013 02: 44
      -4
      Quote: Karlsonn
      Are you not tired of being rude?
      For you, any truth is rudeness. Education is not drunk,
    7. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 04: 28
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      For you, any truth is rudeness. Education is not drunk,


      As a Soviet wrestler, I personally will wipe the carpet.
      As a boor - for edification.
    8. Che
      Che 11 August 2013 12: 06
      +2
      A true communist, not one of those who have embroiled our Union. +++
  • elenagromova
    10 August 2013 22: 35
    0
    And something pulls you here like a fly on jam. If "bullshit" - full of other articles.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 35
    +3
    Quote: elenagromova
    And something pulls you here like a fly on jam. If "bullshit" - full of other articles.


    Elena, you wrote a normal article that I don’t know about the photo, but let repeat give advice (usually in such cases I say:
    - advise your dad), but still - you have proven yourself very well both on "VO" and "However" I think to argue with everyone who criticizes - not your level good , read criticism, accept organizational conclusions and polish your style.
    And argue with all opponents what that are not reconciled in advance are useless; personally, I argue in articles that I posted only on "VO", and so lifelong bans on Ukrainian resources (I don’t change the IP in principle) taught me not to go into my releases with comments.
    Good luck in your endeavors!
  • elenagromova
    10 August 2013 23: 52
    0
    Yes, I often do not enter. It just sometimes gives out a little time and desire to take a pick with the opponents. Well, and not to say that I'm hiding (although I don’t argue with any at all)
  • alone
    alone 11 August 2013 00: 20
    +1
    sometimes it’s worth a dive))) you can learn a lot))) hi
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 00: 58
    0
    Quote: elenagromova
    Yes, I often don’t enter


    You do the necessary and useful work!

    Quote: elenagromova
    It’s just that sometimes a little time and desire to pick out with opponents is given out. Well, so that they don’t say that I’m hiding (although I don’t even argue with some)


    Elena, your opponents will not have enough arguments that the US exists!

    Since most of your critics did not leave the continent on which they were born. Accordingly, their criticism is based on the media; and here we hit them in the specifics (I suspect that you, like me, circled the planet Earth wink , according to all critics - the question is scrap belay --- What is your evidence, from personal experience, that the planet Earth is round?

    Maybe whales, elephants and a turtle?
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 11 August 2013 00: 44
    -3
    Quote: elenagromova
    And something pulls you here like a fly on jam. If "bullshit" - full of other articles.

    Elena, you have a great ability to evade direct questions, but maybe all the same answer, are you a citizen of Syria or the Russian Federation, do you have children? I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I have two sons and a daughter, a grandson and two granddaughters. What prevents you from answering?
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  • Professor
    Professor 11 August 2013 08: 07
    -5
    Quote: grafrozow
    Elena, you have a great ability to evade direct questions, but maybe all the same answer, are you a citizen of Syria or the Russian Federation, do you have children? I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I have two sons and a daughter, a grandson and two granddaughters. What prevents you from answering?

    Do not wait, do not answer. The lady is a citizen of the Russian Federation, not Syria. This is 100%. Her marital status is the last thing that interests me in this life, but at whose expense she lives in Syria, who pays for this foreign citizen, so to speak, staying in the conflict zone is very interesting. It is always important to know the sources of financing for mercenaries! hi
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 August 2013 08: 29
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    It is always important to know the sources of financing for mercenaries!


    What a horror. Only paid teams from Israel and the USA are allowed to voice their position on other people's Internet. To all the rest, the Great Principles of Democracy did not allow this.
  • Professor
    Professor 11 August 2013 09: 08
    -5
    Quote: Spade
    What a horror. Only paid teams from Israel and the USA are allowed to voice their position on other people's Internet. To all the rest, the Great Principles of Democracy did not allow this.

    If this is a stone in my garden, then my sources of financing have been known for a long time: the CIA, Mossad and MI6. laughing But who pays for the lady's stay in Syria is very interesting to me. By the way, it falls into the category of "mercenaries" by definition.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 August 2013 09: 33
    +3
    Of course in yours. You are sure of your absolute correctness and are sure that carriers of a different opinion are necessarily someone's paid mercenaries.
    By the way, this is very reminiscent of our "white tape"

    Well, so what about working for the state. funds in the Russian segment of the Internet brigades from Israel and the United States? Approve?
  • Professor
    Professor 11 August 2013 10: 39
    0
    Quote: Spade
    You are sure of your absolute correctness and are sure that carriers of a different opinion are necessarily someone's paid mercenaries.

    I never claimed to be absolutely right, and thank God other people have their opinions. Otherwise, one could die of boredom. However, a Russian citizen who does not have Syrian citizenship is waging an information war from the Syrian civil war. If she receives money for this (for this reason, I am interested in whose funds she is sitting in Syria for), then she is a mercenary by definition.

    Quote: Spade
    Well, so what about working for the state. funds in the Russian segment of the Internet brigades from Israel and the United States? Approve?

    I heard about such "brigades", but never met. I don't approve. I doubt that such are present on this site. Personally, I do not receive any monetary or other rewards from anyone for my comments. I express exclusively my point of view without looking back at the State Department, the Israeli government or any other structure.

    PS
    Therefore, your hints that I allegedly belong to "paid brigades from Israel and the United States" are unfounded and even offensive.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 11 August 2013 11: 13
    +1
    If she receives money for this (for this reason, I am interested in whose funds she is sitting in Syria for), then she is a mercenary by definition.
    - therefore, a person who receives money from a foreign state for his activities is a mercenary, right? ))) That is, in this context, ALL foreign specialists are mercenaries, yes, Professor? You will forgive me that I was hooked on your mistake, but your point of view is diametrically different from those generally accepted in society, and I want to clarify just for myself - this whole society is not right, or you, extending the term "mercenaries" to a woman journalist who are trying to defame it out of, obviously, personal hostility (you can not tell tales about lies).
  • Professor
    Professor 11 August 2013 11: 46
    -1
    Quote: Injun Joe
    therefore, a person who receives money from a foreign state for his activities is a mercenary, right?

    Activities associated with the fighting - a mercenary.

    female journalist

    Female journalist (accredited? wink ) being a citizen of another state, takes part in a military conflict for monetary reward is a mercenary.
    Maybe of course she lives there for her accumulated overwork in Russia, then she is a volunteer.

    Don't you think Gromova is a mercenary?

    Yes.

    For example, Ukrainian programmers working for Israeli firms?

    These programmers are in the area of ​​a military conflict in a foreign territory, for example, fixing bugs in the MLRS? Then they are also mercenaries.

    if we assume that Gromova, a journalist receiving a journalistic salary from the SAR, is a mercenary

    "journalist" from which edition? Do you have a certificate? Accreditation? if not, she's not a journalist. Not even a blogger.

    it turns out that a lot of "mercenaries" are working for Israel - citizens of other states who receive money from it for their labor?

    I have not met mercenaries in Israel. Citizens mainly take part in hostilities with and without weapons in their hands. Do you have any other information?
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 11 August 2013 23: 05
    -1
    Quote: Native American Joe
    therefore, a person who receives money from a foreign state for his activities is a mercenary, right?
    Quote Professor
    Activities associated with the fighting - a mercenary.
    - So you do not know the correct meaning of commonly used terms? We read Ushakov’s dictionary:

    MERCENARY
    Mercenary and (outdated) Mercenary, mercenary, husband. (book).
    1. The employee (obsolete.).
    2. Consisting of a mercenary army (source). Medieval mercenaries.
    3. trans. A man who defends someone else's interests out of selfish motives (contempt). Mercenary of the bourgeoisie
    - and if you say that Gromova, who received several times more in Russia than in warring Syria, and lived in her own house, and not in a hostel, is in Syria out of "self-serving motives", then all normal people on the site will regard honor to spit in your face.

    We look at Ozhegov’s dictionary:

    Mercenary
    -a, m. 1. A soldier of a hired army. Punitive detachments of mercenaries. 2. The employee. 3. trans. He who has sold himself to someone, who, out of low, selfish motives, defends the interests of others (contempt). II g. mercenary, s (k 2 value). II adj. mercenary, -th, -th (to 1 and 2 meanings.).
    - pay attention to the phrase "hired worker" - everyone who is not engaged in their business, but works FOR SOMEONE, according to Ozhegov and Ushakov, are also mercenaries in the sense of "hired worker" - that is, like Gromova, and not at all in meaning "in a mercenary army" or "fighting for money."

    These programmers are in the area of ​​a military conflict in a foreign territory, for example, fixing bugs in the MLRS? Then they are also mercenaries.
    - Again, you are mistaken, civilians serving military equipment that are not in the army are ordinary hired employees, and not hired soldiers. In general, to some extent, the army is served by many civilians.

    Did not meet mercenaries in Israel
    - means. looked bad, let's see what Dahl's dictionary says about the word "mercenary":

    The borrower is sometimes, incorrectly, used. vm mercenary m. hired, went to the hires, to work or to the service, to the soldiers;
    - that is, as I said above, and according to Dahl, ANY hired specialist is a mercenary. It is also any professional soldier who receives money for this. It cannot be that you, being in Israel, never worked for anyone - most likely you worked, therefore, you were also a mercenary. You just forgot a little Russian. Well, and you never had a sense of proportion, since you tried to make a civil journalist (by the way, she’s all right with accreditation, and even without it she would be a journalist) to be presented as a hired soldier - you also screwed the propaganda term "information war" )
    And as for the certificate - come to Syria and check who's stopping you? And accreditation is such a thing that a journalist can carry out his activities without it, how many cases there were when Western journalists were thrown out from Syria without accreditation) In short, learn the materiel, Professor. Buy yourself a dictionary of the Russian language and re-read it on hot Israeli evenings, good luck to you.
  • Professor
    Professor 12 August 2013 09: 03
    +1
    You would have reprinted the entire encyclopedic dictionary. wink The lady, who is not a citizen of the country, does not belong to any ethnic group, takes part in hostilities, and if she receives her 30 manners for this, then she is a mercenary, and if she does not receive, then she is a volunteer. That's the whole layout.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    Well, and you never had a sense of proportion, since you tried to make a civil journalist (by the way, she’s all right with accreditation, and even without it she would be a journalist) put up a hired soldier - you also screwed the propaganda term "information war" )

    She is a journalist like me a ballet critic. Accreditation Have you seen her? From which edition?

    Quote: Injun Joe
    And as for the certificate - come to Syria and check who's stopping you? And accreditation is such a thing that a journalist can carry out his activities without it, how many cases have there been when Western journalists were thrown out from Syria without accreditation)

    I already know that he is not, and therefore she is not a journalist, but a mercenary of the information war.

    Buy yourself a dictionary of the Russian language and re-read it on hot Israeli evenings

    Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 12 August 2013 10: 21
    +1
    You would have reprinted the entire encyclopedic dictionary.
    - is your business with the Russian language so bad ??? But in fact, you, Professor, have nothing to argue - I poked you beautifully into your mistake, into the fact that the word "mercenary" also means a simple hired worker or specialist.

    A lady who is not a citizen of the country and does not belong to any ethnic group takes part in hostilities
    - evidence that Gromova is taking part in hostilities, in the studio. Nonsense about "she is a soldier of information war" I ask not to post. And, by the way, a person's belonging to some ethnic group but without the citizenship of the country does not give the right to legally conduct military operations. But any person can write articles, even a non-citizen of the country who is not a journalist and does not have accreditation.


    Accreditation Have you seen her?
    - for those who are on an armored train: the presence or absence of accreditation is NOT a sign of a journalist. Too many journalists entered the war zones precisely without accreditation.

    information war mercenary
    - Well I asked without loud phrases and without delirium. There is no such term in the Geneva Convention, international laws, laws of the SAR, and even, I would venture to suggest, in the laws of Israel - "a soldier (or mercenary) of the INFORMATION war. Consequently, there is no responsibility for this. And your attempt to hang a label on Gromov" mercenary ", identified by many narrow-minded people with the concept of" mercenary soldier, violator of the law ", is an ordinary pathetic trolling, which you do out of personal dislike for Elena Gromova, a brave journalist, and even if not a journalist, then just a writer exposing the crimes of those whose success you rejoice - Islamist militants, cutting off captives' heads, burning hostages alive, organizing terrorist attacks, for which you seem to dislike her - because she talks about the atrocities of those whose successes you were happy about.
    And, evidence of Thunder’s participation in the BATTLE action in the studio. Let me remind you that it’s not about talking about hostilities, no matter how you try to distort reality.
  • Professor
    Professor 12 August 2013 11: 03
    +1
    But in fact, you, Professor, have nothing to argue - I poked you beautifully into your mistake, into the fact that the word "mercenary" also means a simple hired worker or specialist.

    Are you running into demagoguery and verbiage? Definition of "mercenary" A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict, who is not a national or a party to the conflict and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party ".
    Now, as a lady, she is not a Syrian citizen and physically takes part in the conflict for material compensation - a mercenary. Protocol APGC77 to quote?

    evidence that Gromova takes part in hostilities, in the studio -

    Will her photo on the tank suit you? wink

    Demanding proof, if you please, show the lady’s journalistic ID.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    to Elena Gromova, a brave journalist, and even if not a journalist, she’s just a writer convicting the crimes of those whose successes you rejoice in - militant Islamists who cut off prisoners of the head, burning hostages alive, arrange terrorist attacks

    You already decide whether she is a journalist or not. You can only call her a writer when the author of each school essay will be called a writer. laughing

    For what you seem to dislike her - for the fact that she talks about the atrocities of those whose successes you rejoiced at.

    I only call a liar a liar. For example, with the discussed photo allegedly taken this year and allegedly proving that Assad is in order.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 12 August 2013 19: 06
    +1
    У
    Do you enjoy demagogy and verbiage?
    - no, I bring YOUR verbiage and demagoguery to the surface. Of course, I do not have a photo of Gromova's journalist ID, but in order for me to consider her a journalist it is not necessary. Do you quote any documents? So quote everything in full, I will add what you "accidentally" missed:

    In accordance with Article 47 of Additional Protocol I to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which was signed in 1977, a mercenary is a person who is not only, as you have said, a foreigner, but who is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to in order to fight in armed conflict, and actually takes a direct part in hostilities, guided mainly by the desire to obtain personal gain, and which is actually promised by a party or on behalf of a party to the conflict, is material remuneration significantly exceeding the remuneration promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and with the same functions from among the personnel of the armed forces of a given party.

    Now bring the evidence
    1. That Gromova is "a person who is specially recruited locally or abroad." Not the day of writing the articles, but in order to FIGHT - with arms in hand, and there is no need for clowning about "information war soldiers".
    2. That Gromova "fought in an armed conflict" - that is, she took part in hostilities as a soldier. Clowning "her photo on a tank (or on a fighter jet, submarines, UFOs, Satan ICBMs, etc., etc.) is not an argument, you just make yourself a jester in the eyes of members of the forum.
    3. That Gromova "was actually promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material reward that significantly exceeds the remuneration promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and with the same functions from the personnel of the armed forces of this party - I just have information that Gromova lives in a hostel, receives a paltry salary, significantly less than the salary of her fellow journalists, and that this salary is noticeably less than the income she received in Russia. That is, there can be no question of "material benefit". also prove (please for the third time!) that Gromova "is a combatant" - that is, a person taking part in hostilities.


    If you do not, then you will be considered an ordinary deceitful slanderer, but you don’t need to prove that you were happy with the successes of Islamist fanatics ...
    By the way, I recalled how the kidnapped journalist Ankhar Kochneva, based on the photo where she poses with AKMS-47 in her hands, also tried to accuse her of fighting. Tell me, expressing your readiness to provide Gromova’s participation in the hostilities with her photo on the tank, from whom did you learn this? Did the militants learn this nonsense from you, or did you borrow this nonsense from them?
  • Professor
    Professor 12 August 2013 21: 23
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    in fact, takes a direct part in hostilities, guided mainly by the desire to receive personal gain, and to which, in fact, promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material reward ...

    You have trouble reading. Where in the definition of a mercenary is written aboutgun in hands. Those who bring cartridges do not actually take a direct part in hostilities? Perform target designation? What about a hired nurse? And the lady on the tank with Claudia in her bosom?

    and to FIGHT - with weapons in hand

    No gag, no such definition in the convention.

    that is, took part in the fighting as a soldier

    And not a word about the soldier. It is possible to take direct part in an armed conflict even without arms in hand. For example, a radio operator who did not take the oath and was dressed in civilian clothes ...

    That Gromova "was actually promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material reward,

    Read my comments carefully, if she receives a reward for her letters, then she is a mercenary, and if not, then a volunteer.

    Total, if a lady receives at least some kind of reward for her actions, then she is by definition a mercenary.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 13 August 2013 10: 41
    0
    Perform target designation? What about a hired nurse? And the lady on the tank with Claudia in her bosom?
    - we look at what they write about this: "According to Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949, persons who are part of the armed forces of a party to the conflict and who are directly involved in hostilities are combatants", and:

    "Non-combatants include personnel who are lawfully located in the structure of the armed forces of the belligerent side, providing all-round assistance to it in achieving success in hostilities, but not taking direct part in these actions. These are quartermaster and medical personnel, correspondents and reporters, clergy, etc. " - that is, even if Gromova wore a military uniform, then even then she could not be attributed to a participant in hostilities.

    Perhaps the Convention states somewhere that criticism of one of the parties to the conflict is participation in hostilities? A link to the corresponding item in the studio, please do not be unfounded.

    It is possible to take direct part in an armed conflict even without arms in hand. For example, a radio operator who did not take the oath and was dressed in civilian clothes
    - LIE. Here is what they actually write about the combatants: Combatant (from the French. Combatant - fighting) - a person who is directly involved in hostilities as part of the armed forces of one of the parties to the military conflict. Prove, Professor, that writing articles is "fighting." Only not in your words, but from a more adequate source - the same Geneva Conventions are quite suitable.


    Total, if a lady receives at least some kind of reward for her actions, then she is a mercenary by definition
    - Lying again. The Convention says in plain text - if the remuneration received by a person is higher than what the combatants of the same rank receive. How much do authors like Gromova get and how much does she get? In addition, as I have shown above. Gromova is NOT a combatant.

    if she receives a reward for her scribble then she is a mercenary
    - do you have sclerosis? I explained to you the difference between the concept of a hired soldier (combatant), and a hired employee, but have you already forgotten everything? "Pisulki", as you said, Thunder, are not considered participation in hostilities.

    The term mercenary (in the sense of a hired soldier) is not applicable to Thunder, because

    "1. The term" mercenary "means any person who:

    a) specially recruited locally or abroad in order to FIGHT in an armed conflict; - pay attention to the word FIGHT. If you think that the word "fight" is suitable for writing texts, then something is not all right with you.
  • Professor
    Professor 13 August 2013 11: 59
    -2
    You are my friend demagogue. For the last time, I repeat for you, those who bring cartridges, pull out the wounded from the battlefield, provide target designation or information support at the conflict site, take a direct part in hostilities and are mercenaries. About the "weapon in hand" you swallowed? wink

    Let's go directly to the APGC77 protocol
    A mercenary is any person who:
    (a) is especially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
    (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
    (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
    (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
    (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
    (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.

    As we can see in the original there is no "weapon in hand" you mentioned, "the remuneration received by a person is HIGHER than that received by combatants of the same rank" and your other fantasies.
    Now we look at the UN convention on mercenaries 44/34 of December 4, 1989, which entered into force on October 20, 2001. Paragraph 1 defines a mercenary. Well, where are your fabrications? Where to "FIGHT", "weapons in hand", "reward received by a person ABOVE that ..."? But the most interesting thing is paragraph 1.2, according to which the mercenary does not even have to take a direct part in hostilities to be considered a mercenary. Match, dear, materiel.

    At whose expense does a lady live and scribble in Syria? For a friend, a volunteer, for a stranger, a German woman.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 13 August 2013 16: 09
    +1
    For the purposes of this Convention:

    1. The term “mercenary” means any person who:

    (a) Specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in armed conflict;
    -Professor, you completely lie. The convention clearly states that mercenaries are those who fight. Your charge against Thunder is based on the fact that she takes part in the hostilities or contributes to them. Gromova is fighting? No. And the fact that she writes and receives a salary for this does not make her a mercenary, since her sphere of activity does not include participation in hostilities, and she was not hired for her possible participation in them. That is, they would have hired a soldier, who in the future MAYBE had to shoot someone, maintain equipment - yes, he is a mercenary. The writer was hired - no, he is not a mercenary in the sense of a soldier, but only a hired worker (see Ozhegov’s dictionary).
    In addition, the size of the remuneration plays an important role, it is one thing when a person is fed or given a meager amount of money to feed him, and the other is when he earns significantly more than locals engaged in the same activity - "b) taking part in hostilities, he is guided mainly by desire to obtain personal gain and who is actually promised by a party, or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material remuneration significantly in excess of the remuneration promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and function who are part of the armed forces of that party; "
    And one or more signs of a convention is no reason to consider a person a mercenary.
  • Professor
    Professor 13 August 2013 21: 16
    -1
    Quote: Injun Joe
    The convention clearly states that mercenaries are those who fight.

    I have already given you the source. Where is the word "fighting"? Don't fantasize.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    And what she writes and gets paid for it,

    So she's a mercenary, not a volunteer. According to yours, Goebels is also not guilty because he did not "fight".

    In addition, the size of the remuneration plays a crucial role.

    You are a dreamer. The amount of remuneration does not matter at all. Return to the original source, namely the convention.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    it’s one thing when a person is fed or given a tiny amount for food, and another when he earns significantly more than local people engaged in the same activity

    Well yes. An American soldier gets tens of thousands of dollars for his activities, and if the Pentagon hires Somali thugs for $ 1000 a month, then in your opinion they will not be mercenaries since they will receive no more Americans, or even less? Bullshit. Do not gag, read the source.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    (b) when taking part in hostilities, is motivated primarily by a desire for personal gain and which is actually promised by a party or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material reward substantially in excess of the remuneration promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and function who are part of the personal the composition of the armed forces of a given party; "

    Again your fantasies. There is no such thing either in Geneva or in the UN Convention. To give an example again with American soldiers and Somali mercenaries?

    Learn the materiel and then we can still talk.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 11 August 2013 11: 04
    +3
    Quote Professor

    It is always important to know the sources of financing for mercenaries
    - usually the word "mercenaries" is used to refer to people taking part in hostilities. Don't you consider Gromova a mercenary?
    Or do you consider mercenaries not only militants who take part in armed conflicts for money, but also all civilian specialists working for another state? For example, Ukrainian programmers working for Israeli firms? And then according to your logic (assuming that Gromova, a journalist who receives a journalist's salary from the SAR, is a mercenary), it turns out that a lot of "mercenaries" work for Israel - citizens of other states who receive money from him for their work?
    That is, either you accused Gromova of what Israel is doing, or with your attempt to label her as a "mercenary" you, to put it mildly, got excited, right, Professor?
  • alone
    alone 11 August 2013 23: 19
    +1
    Joe, are you familiar with Wahhabi ideas?
  • pechv
    pechv 10 August 2013 22: 53
    +2
    What kind of "count" are you? "Drive bullshit"Does work in cleaning prevent you from speaking a normal language?
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 36
    +1
    Quote: pechv
    What kind of "count" are you? "Drive bullshit", work in cleaning does not make it possible to speak in normal language?


    They are counters, they have a special language for communicating with cattle.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 10 August 2013 20: 02
    +3
    Quote: lonely
    I’m not a chronic defeatist, I’m a military man, unlike you versed in military affairs and in the security system. After 17 shell hits, a person cannot survive, and to understand this does not require a huge mind. When writing something, at least consult with competent people so that later we don’t have to correct your omissions]

    If you consider yourself a military, then explain the possibility of getting 17 shells in the city, and even with counteraction. And what kind of shells are we talking about?
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 28
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    Quote: Russ69
    And what kind of shells are we talking about?


    mines. soldier
  • alone
    alone 11 August 2013 00: 13
    +3
    you know, most likely (if it was), the motorcade was ambushed. Security action - one part instantly takes the car with the president out of the fire (all the security personnel are exclusively professionals and these actions have been worked out for years), and the other part of the security begins to counteract the attackers so that divert the fire on yourself. and when it comes to mortar shelling, guards increase the speed of cars and put the guarded object in a safe place. In the city, the probability of hitting all shells at the target is extremely low (tall buildings, limited visibility, etc.). the route is taken under tight control, all the buildings on the roofs are checked by snipers, they even sit in groups in separate places. The protection of the head of state is a very responsible job and believe not everyone is taken there. Without exception, professionals of the highest class. hi
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 00
    -1
    Quote: lonely
    you know, most likely (if it was), the motorcade was ambushed. The action of the guard - one part instantly takes the car with the president out of the fire (all the guards are exclusively professionals


    Omar, agree that versions can be like a fool wrappers.
  • alone
    alone 11 August 2013 09: 11
    +1
    I don’t argue, I just outlined the action of the guard. The options for attack can be as much as you want.
    what do they think
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 13: 49
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    I’m not a chronic defeatist, I’m a military man, unlike you versed in military affairs and in the security system. After 17 shell hits, a person cannot survive, and to understand this does not require a huge mind. When writing something, at least consult with competent people so that later we don’t have to correct your omissions

    Well, it's time to get used to it)))
    Ms. Gromova often comes up with heroic epics, but does not understand that this harms the informational basis of her article !!
    Then she wonders why Musin did not take her to write lyrics!
    There, she and piloted helicopter pilots take away from residential buildings, heroic pilots!))
    And a lot of things))))
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 13: 51
      +4
      it already smells of propaganda)))) and not reality. It’s time to learn how it all happens)))
      1. elenagromova
        10 August 2013 13: 58
        +5
        if you want to see "reality" - you should go to Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya. They will tell you about 17 shells at the same time (after all, this is from Al Arabia, and not from somewhere).
        Or the BBC. They will also tell you "reality" - the one you want to see. If you want to see our total defeats - contact there and enjoy.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 19
          +6
          elenagromova

          Thanks for your articles and reviews. hi
          Your critics never cease to amuse - entering into a discussion with you and accusing you of propaganda, they themselves operate with facts that they have gleaned from more truthful and non-propaganda sources such as the Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera TV channels. bully

          By the way, personally, I am only “for” propaganda, “ours,” of course, if it is not there, then “enemy” is disorienting at best.

          Looking forward to your next articles. hi
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 19
          -5
          Quote: Karlsonn
          By the way, personally, I am only “for” propaganda, “ours,” of course, if it is not there, then “enemy” is disorienting at best.
          Open your eyes, look around, the result of your propaganda, but have you tried to do business?
        3. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 33
          +1
          Quote: grafrozow
          Open your eyes


          I can’t for objective reasons.


          Quote: grafrozow
          look around - the result of your propaganda


          My propaganda is communist, what's wrong with her?
        4. grafrozow
          grafrozow 11 August 2013 00: 27
          -4
          Quote: Karlsonn
          My propaganda is communist, what's wrong with her?
          Where is it, communism is the greatest utopia, there can be no equality and fraternity. One sticks, and the other lies on the stove, and what, they should be equal? ​​How long did your Lenin have before 1917. Was he 47 years old then? were the streets clean, the people are friendly, why can't we live like this? Does the world fire keep calm? Yes, our peasant does not give a damn about the problems of Syria and Honduras, they need to prepare cattle, bring firewood for the winter, put children on and put on shoes. and I am writing to you, open your eyes. The problems of GAZPROM in Syria should not concern the whole people, this is my opinion.
        5. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 58
          +2
          Quote: grafrozow
          Where is it, communism is the greatest utopia, there can be no equality and fraternity.


          Everyone who argued about this - raked, do you want to argue with me? I will not talk about ideology, with all the proletarian hatred - I will land dirty on the skull.

          Quote: grafrozow
          How long did your Lenin have before 1917?


          I've been dried more since 12 years, so you - the capitalists - ofigeche poker at a time.

          Quote: grafrozow
          He was already 47 years old then? Have you been abroad? The streets are clean, people are friendly, why can’t we live like this? Does the world fire keep calm? Yes, our peasant does not give a damn about the problems of Syria and Honduras, he needs to prepare cattle, bring firewood for the winter , children to dress and put on shoes. Here I am writing to you, open your eyes. GAZPROM problems in Syria should not concern the whole people, this is my opinion.


          Not respected, tell me why the evil dogs are called - Kolchak?
          Why do they hate Kolchak in Siberia and the Far East?
        6. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 17: 36
          0
          This "utopia" is the future. Sooner or later, justice will prevail. If the capitalists do not destroy the present civilization, as I suspect the past too.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 34
      0
      Quote: grafrozow
      , but didn’t try to do business?


      Making assumptions about a stranger is at least strange.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 01
    +6
    Quote: lonely
    I’m a military man, unlike you, I understand military affairs and the security system. After 17 hits by a shell, a person cannot survive, and to understand this does not require a huge mind.


    Taki Assad did not survive?
    17 hits?
    Believe Al-Arabiya TV channel further.
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 14: 19
      +4
      )) it could have been written differently))) for example, “despite the fact that the militants fired at the president’s motorcade from mortars, the president remained alive” and further literary creativity. and then an assad in a suit is formed in his eyes, which is fired at from mortars , hit 17 times, and he shook the dust off the suit and entered the mosque praying)))
      1. elenagromova
        10 August 2013 14: 35
        +4
        Do you know what "proof by contradiction" is?

        "First, assume that statement A is false, and then prove that under such an assumption, some statement B would be true, which is obviously false. The resulting contradiction shows that the original assumption was false."

        Well then. Suppose that Al-Arabiya and the "oppositionist" who spoke on it are telling the truth. Then Bashar al-Assad survived after 17 shells. What is not clear?
        1. alone
          alone 10 August 2013 14: 55
          +2
          All I can say is take care of yourself. I wish you good luck in life. I have honor hi
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          all i can say is take care of yourself i wish you good luck in life

          Apparently, Bashar al-Assad did not leave his residence anywhere!
          At least the user Zeynal gave the actual links!
          It is unlikely that he was killed, I think I didn’t leave at all, so they gave me the old video!
          Rather, a pre-shot video!
        3. elenagromova
          10 August 2013 15: 10
          +2
          Traveled. He was seen by people who were in the mosque. Real people.
          He does not deceive the Syrians.
          If he had not traveled, they would not have said that he was there and would not have shown the record.
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 21
          +2
          Quote: elenagromova
          If he had not traveled, they would not have said that he was there and would not have shown the record.

          So in the record there is clearly a person who was killed long before the event and this is a fact !!
          Bashar may not be deceiving, he doesn’t know what they are deceiving for him))))
          Quote: elenagromova
          Real people.

          Is not a fact!!
      2. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 10 August 2013 17: 23
        +4
        Apparently, not one of the shells fired (I even admit that there really were 17 of them) did not reach its goal in reality. And those who believe Al-Jazeera’s messages can be characterized by the phrase from the clip that you posted, addressing him to Gromova (by the way, I sent a complaint about violation of the site’s rules, see if the moderators will respond to the post you posted).
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 August 2013 17: 37
        +1
        Quote: Injun Joe
        And those who believe Al Jazeera’s messages

        then it’s also correct to characterize those people who believe Gromova!
        Moreover, in this case there is a fact that no one has denied!
        If this is not true, let them officially name the person on the video and give an interview with him and we will all brand al Jazeera)))))
      4. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 45
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        then it’s also correct to characterize those people who believe Gromova!
        Moreover, in this case there is a fact that no one has denied!


        Passions inflamed are not comic. winked

      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 August 2013 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Passions inflamed are not comic.

        I want to know the truth, no matter how bitter it is !!
        That's all!
        I do not want to listen to either the Wahhabi propaganda or the Asadite propaganda !!
      6. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 40
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        I do not want to listen to either the Wahhabi propaganda or the Asadite propaganda !!


        But with the truth, it’s bad here. sad
        Will she tell her too?
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 11 August 2013 11: 21
    0
    Yarbay, there is a fact that they broadcast a recording with a man who looks like a sheikh killed by bandits. We look forward to fresh reports from Assad. And I will ask Gromov in the future not to offend you - should I, as an oriental man, teach you how to relate to a WOMAN ???
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 25
    +3
    Quote: Injun Joe
    Yarbay, there is a fact that they broadcast a recording with a man who looks like a sheikh killed by bandits. Waiting for fresh reports from Assad

    I already know the possible answer)))))))
    But it is important that the comrades who propagandize Assad from Syria do not eat their bread for nothing and respond to these questions and facts in time !!
    Alas, I can’t cope with work!
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 56
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    )) it could be written differently somehow))


    I absolutely agree with you - you can yes
    But this is the AUTHOR TEXT, where the author himself chooses the style and methodology of writing, you may like it or not, but agree:
    - You cannot encroach on the author’s right to write articles.


    Quote: lonely
    for example, "despite the fact that the militants fired mortars at the president's motorcade, the president survived."


    I look forward to your articles on the site (without sarcasm and irony I write if that).
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 10 August 2013 20: 51
    -4
    alone
    The militants wrote that the shelling was from mortars, a total of 17 minutes were fired and only one hit the president’s motorcade, Lenochka, as always, if he’s not .... he’ll think up. Look at yesterday’s article on Syria, Lenochka rewrote half of it, even the commas aren’t rearranged, This is a report from the scene !!! Well, what can I say, the windows from her kitchen go directly to the fighting positions, and reports from the kitchen.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 10 August 2013 16: 18
    -6
    Quote: elenagromova
    just do not understand what could cause outrage.
    This is, like, you accuse me of the pro-Western? ))))
    Sorry, and then read the names?
    Maybe it’s better to really focus on such chronic defeatists as ayyildiz or lonely?
    I SO chewed up that I couldn’t invite her home, Helen, worry more. I looked at the list of correspondents of SR. you are a freelancer there! BORN YOUR CHILDREN AND SEND THEM TO WAR.
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 23: 00
      +1
      wife is? So advise her to give birth. However, I doubt that from this ... who does not know how to talk to women, someone wants to give birth
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 38
        +1
        Quote: elenagromova
        wife is? So advise her to give birth. However, I doubt that from this ... who does not know how to talk to women, someone wants to give birth


        Ham he is - ham.
        Not even a noble letter saves.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 11 August 2013 08: 37
        -1
        I didn’t want to interfere, but Madame, you are going into outright rudeness, it doesn’t suit you.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 August 2013 08: 43
          +2
          This is not rudeness, this is a normal reaction to the inadequacy of the opponent. Which you did not deign to notice.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      HOW MUCH DOES GAZPROM PAY FOR YOUR ABSENCE OF SOUTH FLOW. DO NOT HIDE - ANSWER !!!!


      Why is this hysteria?
      Is caps lock so necessary to convey a thought?

      Quote: grafrozow
      WHAT YOU CAN BE WRITING BY YOURSELF. TO YOU 2 QUESTION

      Literacy is usually welcome.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 10 August 2013 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: grafrozow
      Helen, yesterday's article-50% YOUR

      where did you come from? He called himself a pink graph, a hint of a different color, or what? And judging by the literacy of the text, it’s Mitrofanushka at all, no count laughing laughing Are you off Let's goodbye!
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 10 August 2013 20: 35
        -6
        Akskakal, it’s not for you to judge. Go wash yourself. ROSOV is my SURNAME. My ancestor is Nikolai Rozov-GRAPH, and you rest, hegemon. hi
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 38
          +3
          Quote: grafrozow
          Akskakal, not for you to judge. Go wash


          Did your parents teach you to be rude to strangers, or is it noble genes?

          Quote: grafrozow
          My ancestor Nikolay Rozov-GRAPH


          It is a pity that he is not a king.

          Quote: grafrozow
          and you rest hegemon.

          there are not only descendants of the proletariat, for example, I am a descendant of peasants.
          What do you advise me to count the graph?
        2. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 11 August 2013 11: 24
          +2
          oh ancestor Nikolai Rozov-GRAPH
          - so you, how to put it mildly, "blue blood", right? )))
        3. Vodrak
          Vodrak 11 August 2013 13: 00
          +2
          Are you by any chance one of those "graphs" that, as it is called in some environment, "in the law"? Painfully, your turns of speech and the eternal "Poking" suggest that you are from this stratum of society.
          And the photo is pretty, I don’t know about you, I’m probably an amateur, but your relative with glasses is pretty cute.
  • svp67
    svp67 10 August 2013 13: 24
    +1
    The condemned country continues to fight
    The main thing is that the people of Syria do not think so ...
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 10 August 2013 20: 23
    -4
    Quote: Turik
    Yes, I understand that the army of the Republic of Syria, recruited from bakers, potters and peasants, is opposed by well-fed Al Qaeda fighters and other riffraffers, but these potters and bakers fight for their homes
    You are a stupid person, just like your grandfather is a commissar. These bakers, peasants studied at the HIGHER MILITARY SCHOOLS of the former USSR. In 1976, 250 Syrians studied at the Higher Military Artillery School in Odessa. And look where Assad studied, what military academy he graduated from. Write on the topic, do not take the example of Helen, she is excusable, a member of the Communist Party of the SS.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 22: 50
      +3
      Quote: grafrozow
      You are a stupid person, just like your grandfather is a commissar.


      Thank you for illuminating the light of your presence, otherwise we would have disappeared into the darkness of ignorance.
      Regarding the commissars - there was such a commissar Fomin, what can you tell about him?
      And to the point, my grandfather is not a count, he was a career Chekist, went from the Cheka to the KGB, dealt with "external" enemies, it's a pity that not "internal" ones, since since the 90s so many descendants of the nobles showed up, which is just strange how yes they are did not reach the bloody regime of Stalin.

      Quote: grafrozow
      . Write about


      What other tips do you give to strangers?

      Quote: grafrozow
      don't take an example from Helen


      Why is this an arrogance Elena Gromova became for you - Helen?

      Quote: grafrozow
      her excusable member of the KP SS.

      So what?
  • Theophanes
    Theophanes 11 August 2013 19: 32
    +2
    After the betrayal of Libya, I do not believe a single word of Medvedev. It is a pity that he is the Prime Minister of Russia! Substitutes our country - who will believe him now? Yes, and his entire government - the liberals, even if they do not believe them even in their own country. They substitute the President wherever they can!
  • Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 10 August 2013 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: viktor_ui
    And on the "spiritual" bums issuing such permissive fetfs (that is, in the medieval sense - indulgences to leave future and past sins) - you can open the hunting season to the appropriate services ???


    It is possible and even necessary to open, but experience shows that it is not enough to kill these brainless obscurantists. It is necessary to destroy the source of infection, and where this source is located, I think many people know and see.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 10 August 2013 22: 03
      -1
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      It is necessary to destroy the source of infection, and where this source is located, I think many people know and see.
      Many see, but not you, GAZPROM, but dreams do not come true.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 10 August 2013 11: 23
    +4
    This is ordinary fascism and it’s not necessary to repeat the mistakes that brought Hitler to power, respectively, to the world war .. It’s time for the world public to openly declare this ... Otherwise, the world will receive another large-scale world ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 10 August 2013 20: 40
      -4
      Quote: vezunchik
      It's time for the world community to openly declare this.
      Who's stopping you? Go out and say it.
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      2. Vodrak
        Vodrak 11 August 2013 18: 24
        0
        Yes, no one bothers, we are just in different countries and cities, and it's just too lazy to lift our ass .....
        To say that we are sitting all near computers and I'm sorry we are doing crap, but if there were THERE, it might all have ended much earlier
  • APASUS
    APASUS 10 August 2013 12: 21
    +5
    Quote: viktor_ui
    - can I open the hunting season to the appropriate services ??? In Kyna, they shook every shushar so dexterously ...

    It is enough to declare a reward for the head, they will cut themselves for money, because there is no ideological all for grandmas!
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 12: 28
      +2
      That's right. I forgot here how the intelligence officer blew himself up during a meeting of the Syrian Defense Council when the ministers died
      1. elenagromova
        10 August 2013 12: 32
        0
        Everything was absolutely wrong. There was no intelligence officer. Cleaner laid an explosive device in a floor vase
        1. alone
          alone 10 August 2013 12: 57
          +4
          Do you think the building is not being checked before the members of the defense council enter it in such a difficult time? Excuse me, Elena, I’m sorry I don’t know your patronymic, but you are incompetent in matters of security and military matters. Therefore, the answers are not logical
          1. elenagromova
            10 August 2013 13: 22
            +1
            Unlike you, I have insider information.
            1. igor67
              igor67 10 August 2013 13: 29
              +4
              Quote: elenagromova
              Unlike you, I have insider information.

              Elena I ask you every time, they never answered: yesterday, powerful explosions were heard until one in the morning, doubles, that is, doubles, what is happening in the south of Syria, otherwise write everything about the north
              1. elenagromova
                10 August 2013 13: 46
                +1
                You better know what kind of bearded creatures your border guards in cooperation with the peacekeepers there pass through the line of separation. And the fact that they blow up-so the terrorists.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 10 August 2013 14: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: elenagromova
                  You better know what kind of bearded creatures your border guards in cooperation with the peacekeepers there pass through the line of separation. And the fact that they blow up-so the terrorists.

                  I politely ask you and don’t be rude, I’m a simple worker, and you obviously don’t have any information, and only the information that they give you last week was beaten with heavy weapons for days and if you had ever visited the Izril-Syrian border you would have seen , that it’s hard to carry out weapons there, plus an agromic number of all kinds of journalists, I saw RT’s report,
                  1. elenagromova
                    10 August 2013 14: 53
                    +4
                    I personally do not insult you.
                    It is clear that in the province of Quneitra, there are clashes between the army and the militants. But the fact that I cannot share operational information with a representative of a state with whom relations, to put it mildly, are tense, is a fact.
                    And about the support of militants - nothing can be done. The leadership of Israel really has a lot of questions. Why do the militants run hither and thither and seep through the line of separation, find shelters there, treat them there, provide them with intelligence, etc.
              2. Volkhov
                Volkhov 10 August 2013 14: 03
                -3
                Israeli tunnels have problems - is the metro closed?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: Volkhov
                  Israeli tunnels have problems - is the metro closed?


                  looks at the offer and tries to remember the phone of a cryptographer
                  1. Volkhov
                    Volkhov 10 August 2013 21: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    looks at the offer and tries to remember the phone of a cryptographer

                    http://warfiles.ru/33449-damask-udar-iz-glubiny.html

                    Double explosions are most likely camouflages and are perceived as double due to the different speed of sound in the ground and air. Pure barbarism of the Asadites - they built a subway, did not boast of modesty, they wanted to make a surprise, but they break ...
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 40
                      +1
                      Now I realized, I’m lost in conjecture that the cryptographer will demand from me for the pointlessly spent time.
                    2. Volkhov
                      Volkhov 11 August 2013 12: 25
                      -1
                      Ark ticket, as always ...
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 28
              +2
              Quote: igor67
              Elena I ask you every time, they never answered: yesterday were heard


              The Syrian general has not yet managed to report the situation to Elena.
              Another thing is strange, if you hear explosions, why are you asking Elena, ask your question - they will all report to you promptly and most importantly --- they will not lie.
              1. igor67
                igor67 10 August 2013 14: 36
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Quote: igor67
                Elena I ask you every time, they never answered: yesterday were heard


                The Syrian general has not yet managed to report the situation to Elena.
                Another thing is strange, if you hear explosions, why are you asking Elena, ask your question - they will all report to you promptly and most importantly --- they will not lie.

                Does anyone have their own people live in Syria and writes from there, I want objective information, otherwise the Jews will lie anyway
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 15: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: igor67
                  otherwise the Jews will lie anyway


                  SchA Christians will tear you to pieces! wassat
                  Jews - do not lie!
                  This is common knowledge.


                  Quote: igor67
                  a person lives in Syria and writes from there I want objective information


                  I think that information does not go to Elena online, what she receives - in terms of information, brings to us, and at the same time - we, as adults and competent people, understand wassat that part of the information does not reach her, part is secret. That is, at the exit we have a journalistic review from the scene. Neither more, nor menia.
                  Since Western sources have been "remembered" with lies and fraud, I personally prefer articles by Elena and other people such as the ANNA TV channel, while I understand that journalists can make mistakes not only in a strategic situation, but also in analyzing tactical events (journalistic error about 28 Panfilovites), but nevertheless their work is important.

              2. grafrozow
                grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 30
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                The Syrian general has not yet managed to report the situation to Elena.
                +++++++++ !!!!!!!!!! drinks
          2. alone
            alone 10 August 2013 13: 36
            +5
            persisting in your knowledge, you put the competence of the Syrian security forces into question. when talking about a cleaner who put explosives in a building that a mouse shouldn’t slip through without a thorough check, you simply quote an official statement.
            1. elenagromova
              10 August 2013 13: 43
              -2
              probably, our official statements are not born out of nowhere, but on the data.
              The rest is fantasy
              1. alone
                alone 10 August 2013 13: 47
                +6
                Yes, I see. It's just that this data is not friends with logic.
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 32
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              persisting in your knowledge, you put the competence of the Syrian security forces in question


              In a warring country, the realities are special, I personally remind you, as a competent military man, of successful and unsuccessful attempts on the central figures of states, and no one is in a hurry to expose the competence of the Security Council of these countries.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 25
          -2
          Quote: lonely
          but in matters of security and in military matters you are incompetent. therefore, the answers are not logical


          Operating with information that has long been disproved, that is, knowingly false, is very characteristic of your competence. wink
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 11
        +4
        Quote: elenagromova
        Everything was absolutely wrong. There was no intelligence officer. Cleaner laid an explosive device in a floor vase

        Wow))))))))
        Why then, in general, a security service if there was no representative there?))))))))
        Floor vases are checked first of all))))
        it’s more logical that the officer carried himself !!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      in my opinion, they forgot how the special services officer blew


      Oh really?
      Taki officer?
      Give a link to the source of your information?
      Reuters, British human rights activists, Al-Arabia, Al-Jazeera - do not bring, keep it to yourself, as they constantly lie.
      Look forward to...
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 14: 27
        +3
        do you think that a tea merchant could blow them up during a meeting?)))) in a building where everything is guarded along the entire perimeter for several hundred meters in width and length, where even the mouse does not slip in. The explosion was made by the one who was inside the building. The cleaners there It can’t be anymore. The hall itself is checked several times before the meeting. Including mine detectors and explosive detectors.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 15: 17
          0
          Quote: lonely
          do you think that a tea merchant could blow them up during a meeting?))))


          The list of names from Nikalay 2 to Akhmat Kadyrov, from Fidel Castro to Kennedy, says that SB is not the Lord God.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 32
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            The list of names from Nikalay 2 to Akhmat Kadyrov, from Fidel Castro to Kennedy, says that SB is not the Lord God.

            There is a different degree of danger!
            In most of the cases you named, the degree of risk was small!
            In the case of Kadyrov and in Syria, the degree of terrorist attack was high!
            In Syria, much higher than in Chechnya at that time!
            Based on the degree of danger, the Security Council acts and strengthens inspections and protection of the object!
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 16: 20
              0
              Yarbay Welcome hi .

              Twice-Marshal? fellow

              Quote: Yarbay
              There is a different degree of danger!


              What can I say - war.
              Admiral Nelson was mortally wounded by a French sniper who shot from the mast (there was a small storm at sea, respectively, in addition to the speeds of movement of these ships relative to each other, the pendulum system of oscillations of both the shooter and the target influenced the shot, + rather primitive weapons and ammunition, + interference such as smoke, roar, vibration, etc., etc. - nevertheless the shooter got into it).


              Quote: Yarbay
              Based on the degree of danger, the Security Council acts and strengthens inspections and protection of the object!


              Too lazy to choose the right example - what Hitler - Stauffenberg?
              Ozirak Nuclear Reactor - Israel?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 August 2013 16: 33
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Welcome

                Hi Aleksey!
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Too lazy to choose the right example - Hitler - Stauffenberg?
                Ozirak Nuclear Reactor - Israel?

                We are talking about different things !!
                You mean that there are always traitors with which I agree!
                I about the fact that I couldn’t check the cleaner!
                The people you named were highly placed people!
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I about the fact that I couldn’t check the cleaner!


                  ehehe, how it was there in the near future we do not know.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          do you think that a tea merchant could blow them up during a meeting?)))) in a building where everything is guarded along the entire perimeter for several hundred meters in width and length, where even the mouse does not slip in. The explosion was made by the one who was inside the building. The cleaners there It can’t be anymore. The hall itself is checked several times before the meeting. Including mine detectors and explosive detectors.

          I fully support, plus some other events are held !!
          in that situation, it was the security officer who could carry out the explosives!
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 10 August 2013 16: 23
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            I fully support, plus some other events are held !!
            in that situation, it was the security officer who could carry out the explosives!


            throwing daddy on the floor

            Then already say:
            - who killed Kennedy?

            We can put forward the versions here - the sea, but what's the point?
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 10 August 2013 19: 52
            +3
            Yarbay
            Off-top topic: the impossible - possible! laughing

            - Do crocodiles fly?
            - Yes, only inferiorly, inferiorly ...


            1. Che
              Che 11 August 2013 17: 43
              0
              The crocodile screen is great. A hint of rats with amers?
        3. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 13: 14
          +1
          The mine detector in the building is useless due to the presence of many communications.
          1. alone
            alone 11 August 2013 17: 24
            +3
            I'm talking about special equipment used by security and guard services of high-ranking officials. Ordinary army are not used there
  • Sandov
    Sandov 10 August 2013 20: 50
    +3
    Yes, the rats tasted the blood and lose their heads. I hope in real life their Boschs will lose. I wish the people of Syria a speedy processing of these t in a r to the stuffing.
  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 10 August 2013 21: 06
    +2
    nice clip from Alice!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 04
      +2
      IMHO is better here:



      And here is a complete atas !!!

  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 11 August 2013 00: 51
    +1
    for common development ...
    The battle for the Central Bank - in plain words.

    This article will tell simply and clearly, "on the fingers" - why the Central Bank of Russia (hereinafter referred to as the Central Bank in the text) needs to be made State, and not private, as it is now.

    1. Pay attention to the emblem on rubles - this is the emblem of the Central Bank, not Russia.
    2. The Central Bank prints rubles, only he has the right to print them.
    3. The Central Bank gives Russian rubles (to other banks or state organizations) at interest, that is, on credit.
    4. But if only the Central Bank has the right to print rubles - where can the government get the money to return the Central Bank interest? There is only one way out - to sell our country's resources abroad, and the Central Bank to repay the debt in dollars.

    The scheme is very simplified, but it works that way. Thus, while the Central Bank is a private organization, Russia is OBLIGED to give its resources to the USA and the West virtually for free. But these resources could go to the development of ourselves, is not it offensive?

    This state of affairs is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation (which, as you know, was written by CIA agents and American "advisers" in the 90s). Read article 75 of the Constitution: http://www.constitution.ru/10003000/10003000-5.htm It clearly states that Russia has no right to interfere in the affairs of the Central Bank. Cool, yeah?

    Go ahead, read the statutory documents of the Central Bank itself: http://www.cbr.ru/today/?Prtid=bankstatus
    1. The Central Bank is not responsible for the problems of Russia, and Russia is not responsible for the problems of the Central Bank. How???? How can this even be ????
    2. The Central Bank has the right to protect its interests with the help of other foreign states.
    Do you know what that means? This means that if, for example, Putin - says (orders) the Central Bank to lower the interest rate for Russia - the Central Bank may seek help from the United States so that they will punish Putin.
    Or another option we are seeking: Putin drove riot police, internal troops or even an army to the Central Bank, preempted article 75 of the constitution and announced that the Central Bank of Russia would now become the State Bank. USA and NATO countries - Immediately have the right to send troops to Russia to protect the Central Bank. And this is a real war. Are you ready for her? Ready to fight for your homeland?

    Currently, out of 140 million Russian citizens, only 39800 are ready. This statistics shows how many people voted to return the Central Bank to Russia: http: // national law.rf/petit1.php

    Therefore, friends, until our president sees REAL support from the citizens of the country, we will give our resources to the USA for free, so will the prices, utilities, and salaries and pensions will remain low. As they say - learn and think about what and how YOU, a simple person - you can influence the development of your country.
  • _Forgiven_
    _Forgiven_ 11 August 2013 01: 24
    +1
    I wonder when these scum will end manpower? (I mean the opposition) It feels like some kind of evil guy is sitting and cloning these creatures. Assad brings them down and brings down, but something doesn’t get any smaller than them ... Or maybe there are no more al-Qaeda militants left there. Maybe these are already disguised CIA agents firing on the civilian population of Syria ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 02: 05
      -1
      Quote: _Forgiven_
      I wonder when these scum will end manpower? (I mean the opposition)


      when we get connected.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 06: 50
    +2
    Quote: viktor_ui
    And on the "spiritual" bums issuing such permissive fetfs


    The Tatars knocked out my eyes to me, I made the Tatar disabled, I broke my knee, and during the battle I gave one more break in the sternum;
    as a Soviet athlete who gave a registration, he really grabbed a term.
    It really infuriates me that participation in sports is an aggravating factor in court.
    That is, if I train boys and they apply skills in a fight - this is an aggravating circumstance. Awesome!
  • eplewke
    eplewke 12 August 2013 12: 11
    0
    to the count of all these churkabes!
  • GEO
    GEO 10 August 2013 07: 54
    +5
    Soon, very soon, these creatures will come to Europe and America. More precisely, they are already there, but so far they have calmed down. Once Assad wins, and his victory is just around the corner, blaze in the West, those hypocrites who turned a blind eye to the murder of women and children, armed bearded creatures. That will be a squeal ...
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 10 August 2013 08: 02
    +5
    In truth, terrorism is an international phenomenon. When reading reports from Syria, you understand that all this is already familiar in Libya, the northern Caucasus, and other regions. Absolutely identical deeds. Different only the names of the regions. Another thing is surprising. By supporting terrorists and fomenting conflict around the world for their own private gain, are the States so sure that this flame will not affect them? But it seemed like it was September 11th ... Dumb self-confidence, the smell of money, drowning out reason, or a complete loss of the instinct of self-preservation?
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 10 August 2013 11: 09
      +6
      September 11 was the act of the outbreak of war, produced by the States themselves.
      1. Che
        Che 11 August 2013 17: 45
        +2
        Asan Ata.
        Like the arson of the Reichstag. Time goes by. The methods of the Nazis do not change.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 10 August 2013 08: 04
    -7
    I'm not talking about the fate of Gaddafi, which is terrible ... And this is another spot on the conscience of those people who decided to conduct a military operation. "


    And on your conscience too. Unless, of course you have it.
  • olviko
    olviko 10 August 2013 08: 26
    +5
    The West recognized the attack as correct! Bastards !!!!!
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 10 August 2013 11: 26
      +3
      The West recognized Hitler, but what did it receive?
  • George
    George 10 August 2013 08: 58
    +9
    They immediately killed about 70 people - women, children and the elderly. Women and children screamed, the old people tried to say something, but they were immediately killed right in the courtyards, in front of relatives. They held them to watch. And women and children were bullied, and then killed. We all saw this too, but we couldn’t do anything — we had almost no ammunition left.

    God forbid, of course, but in such a case I’ll go to melee without cartridges. There is no greater grief to see how your loved ones are being killed. Jackals in their repertoire - they pour out evil on the defenseless. Many Kurds hope to see clearly.
    Thank you Elena.
  • Aydar
    Aydar 10 August 2013 09: 37
    +6
    All this is similar to Spain and the Spanish Civil War in 1939.
    Judging by historical logic, even more gloomy events should be expected which, by historical analogy, will certainly lead to the Third World War.
  • Professor
    Professor 10 August 2013 09: 47
    -8
    Shortly after such a “revelation,” Syrian television showed footage from a festive prayer in which the president took part.

    Are you all fools here? fool Elena, this is not a poem for you to write about Gaddafi, you need to better prepare for writing articles.
    The whole world went around shots of the execution by the rebels of this sheikh in 2012. And in your photo (which has already been discussed by anyone), he is alive with Assad. I understand that sometimes in Israel they rise from the dead, but this is only in Israel, not in Syria, and even once every 2000 years. laughing


    PS
    Poems
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 August 2013 12: 23
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      The whole world went around shots of execution by the rebels of this sheikh in the 2012 year. And in your photo (which has already been discussed by anyone), he is alive with Assad.

      Tell me, how did you manage to identify a person in a general photo, and with a relatively high resolution?
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Tell me, how did you manage to identify a person in a general photo, and with a relatively high resolution?


        Here they report from the field that docents are scary people:



        Obviously, professors are generally beyond good and evil, and for them the impossible is not!
      2. Professor
        Professor 10 August 2013 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Tell me, how did you manage to identify a person in a general photo, and with a relatively high resolution?

        I repeat, this photo, as well as the video recording of this event, has not been shelved for several days. In a close-up video, they identified a sheikh who appeared before the Almighty last year whom they show us risen.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 45
      -3
      [quote = professor] [quote] Soon after such a "revelation", Syrian television showed footage from the holiday prayer, in which the president took part. [/ quote]
      Are you all fools here? fool Elena, this is not a poem for you to write about Gaddafi, you need to better prepare for writing articles.
      The whole world went around shots of the execution by the rebels of this sheikh in 2012. And in your photo (which has already been discussed by anyone), he is alive with Assad. I understand that sometimes in Israel they rise from the dead, but this is only in Israel, not in Syria, and even once every 2000 years. //// And not to walk around Moscow with a green flag. It’s a pity that those who fought in Chechnya didn’t see her then, she would no longer whisper.
      1. elenagromova
        10 August 2013 22: 50
        +2
        This, like, you wished me death ... Past, Mr.!
        Among the people who opposed the bombing of Libya were those who fought in Chechnya.
        Well, you really can't distinguish the flag of the Libyan Jamahiriya from the flag of the so-called "Ichkeria" ... "Count", teach materiel.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 08: 50
          +1
          Quote: elenagromova
          This, like, you wished me death ... Past, Mr.!
          Among the people who opposed the bombing of Libya were those who fought in Chechnya.
          Well, you really can't distinguish the flag of the Libyan Jamahiriya from the flag of the so-called "Ichkeria" ... "Count", teach materiel.

          He is clearly in love with you))))
          Visible to the naked eye)))
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 18
        +4
        Quote: grafrozow
        The whole world went around shots of execution by the rebels of this sheikh in the 2012 year. And in your photo (which has already been discussed by anyone), he is alive with Assad.


        A mistake with a photo exposes all Elena's articles in doubt?

        Quote: grafrozow
        And not to walk in Moscow with a green flag.


        What exactly do you dislike about the symbolism of Muslims?
        Russians have been living side by side with Muslims for centuries, thousands and thousands of Muslims have contributed to the development of Russia, since tsarist - imperial-Soviet-modern times, Muslims have not only been awarded the highest honors of the state, but also contributed for free somehow:
        - Muslims not sparing their lives served the Russian Empire;
        - The imam of Muslims in the USSR declared jihad to Hitler and Germany during World War II;
        - Muslims in special units of the FSB, BB and others on the occasion of religious, Muslim holidays this year were given two days of an extraordinary weekend.


        Quote: grafrozow
        It’s a pity that those who fought in Chechnya didn’t see it then.


        and if Helena were seen by soldiers and officers - Muslims, awarded awards of the USSR and Russia, then what would happen?

        Quote: grafrozow
        she would not piss already.


        Sorry for the question repeat - You incidentally write there not drunk comments ...
        Just such annoying rudeness is alarming.
        1. Professor
          Professor 11 August 2013 07: 58
          -2
          Quote: Karlsonn
          A mistake with a photo exposes all Elena's articles in doubt?

          Another lie of the lady. She never once admitted her "mistakes."
  • Slevinst
    Slevinst 10 August 2013 09: 57
    +4
    It remains only to wish good luck to the Syrian people. I hope Russia will not give up its positions on this issue.

    ps Why are there so few articles on VO?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: Slevinst
      Why are there so few articles on VO?


      People on vacation, on vacation, etc.
      CAPACITIES: not all articles are moderated (see rules).
  • Yuriy_K
    Yuriy_K 10 August 2013 10: 06
    -16 qualifying.
    Russia is not waiting for death, but resurrection, in a new capacity. Death will be the old imperial system, and instead there will be a new, dynamic one, approximately the same as it was in Kievan Rus, where each people lived according to its own "truth" until they were enslaved by the Horde and forced everyone to live according to a single prison charter, as well as we continue to live to this day - http://gidepark.ru/community/1289/article/241529
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 10 August 2013 11: 41
      +2
      You got the wrong address, dear liberal. You on the echo of Moscow, newsВРУ, etc.
    2. nikolaxp
      nikolaxp 10 August 2013 12: 10
      +4
      And you, I'm sorry, have you read history for a long time? Russia was enslaved by the Horde precisely because "each nation lived according to its own" truth "", there was confusion and enmity between the principalities. When the Horde began to attack, she seized each principality separately, because the local princes did not help each other. It's like a broom and its twigs, individually, the twigs can be broken, and when they are together, there is not enough strength.
      And another question for you "Yuriy_K", please explain what kind of "uniform prison charter" since the time of the Horde, according to which we now live, is there a name for this charter? Can I quote from it (just not in Mongolian), very interesting?)))
      You read the story and how the laws changed, I more believe in the influence of the West on our laws than some nomads. You even, for example, study modern legislation and the constitution, and believe there 90% of coincidences are with Western laws. Or do you still think that cunning Mongols govern Russia and they need to be afraid? Here the Mongols will be surprised that they rule the superpower and do not even know about it)))))
      The phrase "Death will be the old imperial system" was also very amusing. This system is 20 years old, it was created by Yeltsin with American advisers and liberals. How old are you that this 20 year old system is old for you? And the communist system and the USSR are probably generally prehistoric for you.
    3. Tartary
      Tartary 10 August 2013 12: 19
      +7
      Quote: Yuriy_K
      until they were enslaved by the Horde and forced everyone to live according to a single prison rule, as we continue to live to this day

      Clever people, who think logically, have long understood that the Horde and the enslavement of HER Russia is the delirium of a "gray mare" from among the leaders of the Vatican and his henchmen, imposed by the leaders of the Western Reformation of the Middle Ages on all Russian, through the traitors of the truth, explicit and hidden - of different stripes and nationalities, different countries ...

      Go away, with your repetitions of their notions on a serious resource for adult husbands.

      To us, the descendants of a great Power (!), Even Lomonosov conveyed weighty doubts about the presentation of the History of Russia by "professors" from the country and England ...
      1. Che
        Che 11 August 2013 14: 16
        0
        The West has isolated our history beyond recognition. Great Tarataria was an empire when in the west they did not even know soap. When will the ancient history of Eurasia be revealed? We learn a lot of new and interesting things about ourselves.
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    5. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 14: 45
      +2
      Quote: Yuriy_K
      Death will be the old imperial system, and instead there will be a new, dynamic, approximately the same as it was in Kievan Rus


      They haven’t been here for a long time ... what
      You also have to sort the broom to sweep the floor?
      I don’t think you should remind you of the history of Kievan Rus or German lands in the era of fragmentation, in the new school year, or next year the history teacher will tell you this.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 10 August 2013 10: 06
    +3
    It’s strange somehow. I can understand Israel, for whom the war in Syria is very beneficial. But why does the US need this debauch in Syria ?! There are no major development of minerals there, Assad especially did not twitch against the United States, Alkaida is strengthening in the region, which in case of victory will not remain in place. So why do they need all this ?! What is the benefit?
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 10 August 2013 11: 11
      +7
      Quote: Marconi41
      It’s strange somehow. I can understand Israel, for whom the war in Syria is very beneficial. But why does the US need this debauch in Syria ?! There are no major development of minerals there, Assad especially did not twitch against the United States, Alkaida is strengthening in the region, which in case of victory will not remain in place. So why do they need all this ?! What is the benefit?

      You still didn’t understand that the West is now fighting not with Syria, but with Russia. Syria is the key to the Caucasus and the gas pipeline from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which Assad did not give permission to lay! Look at the map of BV and you will understand everything. Cheap gas from the SA, this is a direct blow to Gazprom, and therefore a collapse in prices for it all over the world. And this means a blow to Russia. This is, firstly, Secondly, Iran, with its nuclear program, which directly threatens the Jews. I would even say that it not the USA is at war with Assad, but Jews are waging war from behind the US (however, as always and at all times ) On the other, they can not.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 10 August 2013 12: 29
        +4
        Quote: sergo0000
        and the gas pipeline from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, for the laying of which Assad did not give permission!

        I would also like to state, however, I would add Qatar and the UAE to Israel, because it seems that the blessed ones play one game ...
        Plus they forgot Muammar ... He, too, apparently at the last moment understood everything, at the very last (!,) But could not do anything ...
    2. olviko
      olviko 10 August 2013 14: 04
      +3
      The answer is simple. There is no difference between the USA and Israel, the same people and interests rule there.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 10: 07
    -4
    Ms. Gromova, I came across several interviews with the leaders of the Syrian Kurds, where they did not directly, but made it clear that their task was to form national self-government bodies, national armed forces and eventually reunite with Iraqi Kurds to create a Kurdish state. What do these things say in Damascus? Today, Assad and the Kurds have a common enemy, but how much will their roads go together after the war?
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 10: 23
      10
      Mr. Aron Zawi, the Syrian Kurds today are no less dangerous than these bearded bushes. When the militants entered the northern regions, the Kurds did nothing to help the Syrian government, declared a moratorium. As soon as this was done, Assad withdrew his troops from the Kurdish provinces. Do you think Assad did not know what he was doing? Assad knew that the right moment would hit him in the back. They created alternative authorities, and this is a direct sign of separatism and the collapse of the country. Kurds sent a whole brigade to fight as part of the SSA. They still did not sit quietly with Assad. I think the Kurds wanted to be used by the situation for their own purposes. and fight with bearded men only because the bearded men started the idea of ​​the Sham caliphate and included Kurdish provinces in this caliphate
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 10 August 2013 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        .kurds sent a whole brigade to fight as part of the SSA. they still did not sit quietly with the older Assad. I think the Kurds wanted to use the situation for their own purposes. and fight with bearded men only because the bearded men started the idea of ​​the Sham caliphate and included Kurdish provinces in this caliphate

        Thanks for the clarification. I was also interested in knowing the background and the motives. drinks hi
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 10 August 2013 11: 32
        +4
        The Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers along with the tanks that asked for refuge from them! What do you say Elena Gromova on this incident?
        1. alone
          alone 10 August 2013 11: 57
          +3
          This confirms my words. Kurds play their game. I think those are those who broke through to them from Ming Airport. just so many soldiers and officers broke out to the Kurds from there
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 August 2013 12: 28
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            Kurds play their game.

            They will finish the game! It is quite possible that Turkey will do the operation!
            1. alone
              alone 10 August 2013 12: 51
              +4
              I don’t think, my friend. The bearded men will do it
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 10 August 2013 13: 02
                +3
                Barzani’s son urgently arrived in Turkey recently! I think he was well warned!
                1. alone
                  alone 10 August 2013 13: 09
                  +3
                  Of course. It’s just not profitable to go there. The country is actually divided into three camps that fight among themselves.
                  1) these Syrians who are fighting in government forces
                  2) these are the Syrians who, together with the bearded men, are fighting against the authorities
                  3) these are Kurds who are at war with both those and others.
                  Well, there are gangs of looters, I think they do not count.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 20
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            This confirms my words. Kurds play their game. I think those are those who broke through to them from Ming Airport. just so many soldiers and officers broke out to the Kurds from there

            But there it was said about two, three tanks breaking through!
            There seems to be more!
            and this is not a game of Kurds, but a game of America!
            1. alone
              alone 10 August 2013 14: 32
              +1
              Well, this is understandable and so. Kurds have their own goals and Assad, they are not allies! that’s the main thing.
          3. Scoun
            Scoun 10 August 2013 16: 27
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            in my opinion these are those who broke through to them from the airport ming. just so many soldiers and officers broke out to the Kurds from there

            for sure ... there are similarities .... but the Kurds will still have to determine, the more the Kurds will play a military role, the more chances they have that the Turkish army will join ... the firewoods throw and throw however ...
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 10 August 2013 16: 39
              +2
              Quote: Scoun
              for sure ... there are similarities .... but the Kurds will still have to be determined, the more Kurds will be

              up! and what do we see next?
              Turkish soldiers are dressed in uniform with insignia of one of the Islamist brigades.

              Turkish soldiers are stationed in the Beni Zayed quarter, in the immediate vicinity of the areas of Aleppo populated by Kurds.

              Local sources claim that a Turkish mechanized convoy arrived in Aleppo in order to take part in a joint attack with Jabhat al-Nusra against the Kurdish police in Aleppo.

              http://warfiles.ru/show-36362-v-aleppo-vvedeny-200-tureckih-soldat.html
        2. elenagromova
          10 August 2013 12: 20
          -2
          Listen to the "democratic" media more - they will tell you not that
          1. alone
            alone 10 August 2013 12: 31
            +3
            we don’t listen to anyone. we see and analyze
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 10 August 2013 12: 56
              +7
              Kurds are fighting Islamists not because of Assad, but because the Islamists do not recognize the borders between Islamic countries. It makes no difference to them whether it is a Kurd or an Arab. And this is not profitable for the Kurds. They are preparing a launching pad to unite with Iraqi Kurdistan, and thereby form the core of the Kurdish state. This is not a romantic story about the Kurds who, they say, "stood up to defend the legitimate government of Assad," but a strategy with far-reaching goals, and it may well be that with a successful scenario for the Kurds, this situation will be many times more explosive for the region than the status quo with the current borders.
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 August 2013 12: 32
            +1


            And here are democratic?
            1. alone
              alone 10 August 2013 12: 54
              +2
              see 2.22. that it is not visible that the Kurds are loyal to Asad. They lowered the state flag and hung their own. And if you dig deeper. If the Syrian state flag was there, this place was guarded by state forces. So the Kurds are fighting against ALL.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 16
              +2
              Quote: ayyildiz
              And here are democratic?

              Apparently everything is going according to the US plan!
              Dear Ayildiz, you see, I was the right enemy Erdogan and is doing everything according to the US plan!
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 10 August 2013 14: 32
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Apparently everything is going according to the US plan!

                But the referendum in Kerkuk and Mosul prevented RTE! Let's see what will happen next !
                But I want to say one thing and for PYD the army runs out of patience!
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 34
            +1
            Quote: elenagromova
            Listen to the "democratic" media more - they will tell you not that

            and how is your writing different ???
            Also write as * democratic * press but in another favor !!))
            So your indignation is not accepted!
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 16: 27
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              and how is your writing different ???
              Also write as * democratic * press but in another favor !!))


              The fact that she is "our"!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 August 2013 16: 34
                +2
                Quote: Karlsonn
                The fact that she is "our"!

                I don’t argue here!
                I completely agree!)))
        3. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 15: 40
          +2
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers along with the tanks, which sought refuge from them!


          Link please.

          150 militants laid down their arms and surrendered to the authorities in the northern Syrian provinces of Aleppo, Idleb and Latakia. According to the SANA agency, Syrian citizens "who were misled and participated in terrorist activities" have switched to a peaceful life. 93 people surrendered in Aleppo province, 34 in Idleb province, 23 in Latakia ....

          http://warsonline.info/siriya/150-boevikov-sdalis-vlastyam-na-severe-sirii.html

          Something like that, please. hi

          And then we all know the price of such stuffing laughing

          Here:

          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b4_1375922321

          We can see how the bloody regime in Egypt disperses protesters, and how journalists remove it. wink
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 August 2013 16: 27
            0
            http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=322810
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 13
              -1
              Quote: ayyildiz
              http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=322810


              Well, where about 70 soldiers and tanks?
              drain - protected. bully

              video how reliable photographs and television reports are shot:


              Quote: Karlsonn
              We can see how the bloody regime in Egypt disperses protesters, and how journalists remove it


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              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 10 August 2013 17: 46
                0


                Then where did the terrorist organization get tanks?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Then where did the terrorist organization get tanks?


                  But the devil knows them.
                  I don’t know, not only that - I dimly understand what is happening in the video.
                  Moreover, this production or real production is also not in the know request .
              3. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 10 August 2013 18: 18
                +1
                I read in the foreign press and asked Gromova, but you’re here, I don’t know where they started to ask for links from me, and I’ll tell you that the Kurds got tanks bully
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  I read in the foreign press and asked Gromova, but how are you, I don’t know where they started asking me for links


                  I questioned this:

                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  The Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers along with the tanks, which sought refuge from them!


                  It is about these Kurds, about their asylum request and tanks! bully

                  Right now, I will upload photos of the T-34 with German crosses and throw into the discussion that the 5-th Guards Tank Army of Rotmistrov near Prokhorovka went over to the Germans - that’s exactly what you did, saying about the 70 Kurds and their tanks, without links.
                  Showing incomprehensible videos (shooting date, who shot, where did he shoot?) And photos. wink
                  1. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 10 August 2013 19: 19
                    -1
                    No understandable, everything is very clear wink
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 23: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: ayyildiz
                      No understandable, everything is very clear


                      Fine! Please prove to me that Antarctica exists, that this is not a Masonic conspiracy.
        4. Scoun
          Scoun 10 August 2013 16: 14
          +3
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers, along with tanks, who sought refuge from them

          And when did the event happen?
          The Kurds will still have to make amendments .. otherwise they will fight on two fronts.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 August 2013 16: 21
            +1
            Quote: Scoun
            And when did the event happen?
            The Kurds will still have to make amendments .. otherwise they will fight on two fronts.

            As far as I know, or rather read in the Arab media, this group broke through from Meng Airport and asked for refuge!
        5. Scoun
          Scoun 10 August 2013 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers along with tanks

          further we see ... that not everything is so simple and the woods are thrown ...
          Concerned about the recent attack in the northern Kurdish regions of Syria by militants of the Jebhat An-Nusra organization, which is considered to be an al-Qaeda branch, 8 military units from Iraqi Kurdistan have approached the border with Syria and are awaiting orders in order to initiate actions against Jebhat An- Nusra ".

          http://warfiles.ru/show-36349-vlasti-irakskogo-kurdistana-gotovy-udarit-svoimi-t
          ankovymi-chastyami-po-banditam-jihadistam-v-sirii.html
        6. grafrozow
          grafrozow 10 August 2013 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The Kurds captured 70 Syrian soldiers along with the tanks that asked for refuge from them! What do you say Elena Gromova on this incident?
          Yes, he will say that the next "canard" of bandits and rapists. "Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion!"
    2. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 12: 18
      +4
      Some "leaders" are self-named. Normal Kurds say that they are Syrians like the rest.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 10 August 2013 12: 24
        +1
        (Some) But on the border with Turkey, PYD hung its banner!
      2. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 12: 31
        +1
        with all due respect to your personality, Ayyyldyz is right. There is no Syrian flag on the border. There are flags of bearded men and Kurds
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: elenagromova
        Some "leaders" are self-named. Normal Kurds say that they are Syrians like the rest.

        it reminds statements that Iraqi Kurds are Iraqis and Turkish are Turks, but somehow it doesn’t look like it. Regardless of who wins the Arab-speaking Syria, it seems that the Kurdish region is not going to go under the control of Damascus, regardless of who will be in power there?
        1. alone
          alone 10 August 2013 12: 41
          +1
          definitely not! if Assad even wins, it will not be that strong Syria before. too much the country has lost in the military and in the economic plan. Kurds will certainly take advantage of this situation
  • Big giraffe
    Big giraffe 10 August 2013 10: 08
    +5
    Power is in the truth! And he is stronger who has more! We will believe and hope for the victory of Assad and the Syrian people!
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 10 August 2013 10: 08
    +8
    And Vala herself, and almost all members of her family - father, mother and two sisters - were found in their own house with a throat cut
    - But there are sick freaks who rejoice in the success of the militants if they manage to win at least some victory over the government army ...
    By a strange coincidence, all these gadiks - mostly Syria's neighbors - are Israelis, Turks, and Saudis. Although, unfortunately, among them there are a handful of Ukrainians and Russians - as they say, the family has its black sheep. But I am glad that if the same Israelis have the majority for scumbags from the SSA, then the Russians, on the contrary, almost all for normal people!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 10: 33
      -4
      Quote: Native American Joe
      . But I am glad that if the same Israelis have the majority for scumbags from the FSA, then the Russians, on the contrary, almost all for normal people!

      Maybe I will disappoint you, but 95% of Israelis are not at all interested in the situation in Syria. Well, there are certainly people here who are directly responsible for watching her or a contingent such as the participants in this forum, and even in the news about Syria on TV we remember less often than in Russia.
      1. igor67
        igor67 10 August 2013 11: 17
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Native American Joe
        . But I am glad that if the same Israelis have the majority for scumbags from the FSA, then the Russians, on the contrary, almost all for normal people!

        Maybe I will disappoint you, but 95% of Israelis are not at all interested in the situation in Syria. Well, there are certainly people here who are directly responsible for watching her or a contingent such as the participants in this forum, and even in the news about Syria on TV we remember less often than in Russia.

        One hundred percent, I even spoke with Muslim Arabs at work about the war in Syria, they don’t know what, I showed them how the Saudis cut the heads of Syrian soldiers, and they told me: why are you watching this?
        1. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 10 August 2013 11: 32
          -1
          Seriously? But the Israelis dislike Syria, as far as I know, because once Israel took the Golan Heights from Syria ... However, you know better there.
          1. igor67
            igor67 10 August 2013 12: 19
            +4
            Quote: Native American Joe
            Seriously? But the Israelis dislike Syria, as far as I know, because once Israel took the Golan Heights from Syria ... However, you know better there.

            Why do not like? What is your love for Syria? I am more than sure that the majority before the events in Syria did not even recall this state, so I only collided with Syria for a couple of months in the mid-80s, we repaired the Union of Mi 35s. For the Syrian air force, I forgot this state until I arrived in 2000 live in Israel, at the expense of the Golan Heights, it’s been Syrian only 18 years old, I had the opportunity to argue with Gromova who lived in the Golan, her answer, I can find her comment, there were Aramaeans, not Jews, there are a lot of ancient settlements on the Golan Heights Jewish
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 12: 40
            -2
            Quote: Native American Joe
            Seriously? But the Israelis dislike Syria, as far as I know, because once Israel took the Golan Heights from Syria ... However, you know better there.

            But how can you not love for having defeated someone? Syria was treated poorly for supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. And today, when these organizations basically cut each other for power over Syria, it’s for us on the drum. There will be new reasons, we will not love again. request
          3. olviko
            olviko 10 August 2013 15: 42
            0
            Judging by various comments in the press and on the Internet in Israel, starting with the BB Netanyahu and until the last ordinary Jew interested in fashion politics, the dream now is, as they say, of Somalizing Syria, i.e., by analogy with Somalia, about the collapse of Syria into several enclaves, who will continuously fight among themselves: Sunnis with Shiites, Kurds with Christians or Alawites. In this way, Israel hopes to weaken its opponents, Syria and Hezbollah, and it seems that it is not only dreaming about it, but is also hard at work promoting it in practice.
        2. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 13: 30
          0
          Igor.
          Near the mess and no one is interested - I will not believe it. Moreover, Israel is in a hostile environment. One must be prepared for any surprise.
      2. Tartary
        Tartary 10 August 2013 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Maybe I will disappoint you, but 95% of Israelis are not at all interested in the situation in Syria. Well, there are certainly people here who are directly responsible for watching her or a contingent such as the participants in this forum, and even in the news about Syria on TV we remember less often than in Russia.

        Ahha ha ...
        Well, well, Semites, God will give you the Golan Heights and the psyche ... everything will be different - you'll follow every letter in newspaper articles. And you will not forget all about Russia - you have to be a fool ...)))
        1. igor67
          igor67 10 August 2013 12: 43
          +2
          Quote: Tartary
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Maybe I will disappoint you, but 95% of Israelis are not at all interested in the situation in Syria. Well, there are certainly people here who are directly responsible for watching her or a contingent such as the participants in this forum, and even in the news about Syria on TV we remember less often than in Russia.

          Ahha ha ...
          Well, well, Semites, God will give you the Golan Heights and the psyche ... everything will be different - you'll follow every letter in newspaper articles. And you will not forget all about Russia - you have to be a fool ...)))

          It is not strange, but the leaders of Israel agreed, probably under US pressure) to give the Golan in return for a peace treaty, so Assad refused?
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 10 August 2013 13: 10
            -1
            Quote: igor67
            It is not strange, but the leaders of Israel agreed, probably under US pressure) to give the Golan in return for a peace treaty, so Assad refused?

            Seeing "eye for eye" is still ahead ...

            Or how??
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 13: 16
          +2
          Quote: Tartary

          Ahha ha ...
          Well, well, Semites, God will give you the Golan Heights and the psyche ... everything will be different - you'll follow every letter in newspaper articles. And you will not forget all about Russia - you have to be a fool ...)))

          "It's a pity to live in this wonderful time ..." (N.A. Nekrasov)
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 10 August 2013 14: 38
            -1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            "It's a pity to live in this wonderful time ..." (N.A. Nekrasov)


            Glad you understand the essence ... hi
      3. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 10 August 2013 16: 45
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Maybe I will disappoint you, but 95% of Israelis are not at all interested in the situation in Syria.


        Judging by the cons, this is a terrible flaw !!!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 16: 44
      -1
      Quote: Injun Joe
      By a strange coincidence, all these gadiks - mostly Syria's neighbors - are Israelis, Turks, Saudis. Although, unfortunately, among them there are a handful of Ukrainians and Russians - as they say, the family has its black sheep.


      The war in Syria is politicized, for example, those present here know little about the course of the war in former Libya and neighboring Mali (with rare exceptions, of course).
      So we will not be categorical when writing down everyone as a reptile. hi
  • alone
    alone 10 August 2013 10: 17
    +8
    Or admit that, since the leader they hated survived after 17 (!) Shell hits

    LORD MILITARY! Can you imagine what will happen to anyone after 17 shell hits?)
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 August 2013 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      LORD MILITARY! Can you imagine what will happen to anyone after 17 shell hits?)

      Calmness)))))))))))
  • a52333
    a52333 10 August 2013 10: 19
    +2
    visit of Saudi prince Bandar bin Sultan to Russia
    in my opinion confirms that the affairs of Syria are not so bad. Besides
    The possible collapse of the Bashar al-Assad government poses a serious threat to US national security, since in this case Syria will become a refuge for all kinds of terrorists: such statement was made in an interview to the Wall Street Journal by the first CIA deputy Michael Morell.
    ... A second front was opened against the "liberation" "army" in the face of the Kurds. In my opinion, just now is not the most difficult moment.
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 10: 41
      +2
      Alexei, the Kurds opened a second front for their own purposes. Believe the principle, the enemy of my enemy, my friend has nothing to do with it
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 11 August 2013 12: 27
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Alexei, the Kurds opened a second front for their own purposes. Believe the principle, the enemy of my enemy, my friend has nothing to do with it
        Kurds do not lose time.
        11.08 10:01 MIGnews.com
        President of the Kurdish autonomy in Iraq Masoud Barzani said that the Iraqi Kurds are ready to intervene in the Syrian war to protect their fellows from the jihadists of al-Qaeda.
        Barzani published a letter stating that he had sent representatives to northern Syria to deal with the situation on the spot. Syrian Kurds have cleared their territories in Hassak from jihadists in recent weeks and are preparing to declare autonomy. The terrorists Jabhat al-Nusra, however, declared a total war on the Kurds.
        Barzani writes: "If the reports from Syria are true, if innocent Kurdish women and children are under threat of murder and terrorism, Iraqi Kurdistan will use every means at its disposal to protect peaceful Kurdish citizens."
        Barzani sent his letter to the Kurdish National Conference to be held in Arbil this month.
        Iraqi Kurds are already supplying their Syrian counterparts with food, fuel and medicine. Iraqi Kurdistan has its own armed forces, and therefore Barzani is hardly bluffing.
        The intervention in Syria, however, will further complicate Barzani's relationship with the central Iraqi government in Baghdad. The official position of the Shiite cabinet of Nuri al-Maliki is "non-interference" in the Syrian war, although in reality Iraq secretly supports Assad, and Shiite volunteers from Iraq are fighting on his side.
        1. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 14: 30
          +1
          At this stage, it is useful to Syria and its people. And there God will not give out a pig does not eat.
  • yurii p
    yurii p 10 August 2013 10: 20
    +2
    conclusion one defeat of Syria, the defeat of Russia, the victory of Syria, the victory of reason over the Middle Ages
  • alone
    alone 10 August 2013 10: 28
    +3
    lacks complete independent information from Syria oh how not enough. Both sides trumpet victory. And peaceful people die in vain
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 10 August 2013 11: 09
    +4
    When will the Saudis with amers get tired of throwing money to the "opposition"? It seems to me that their main goal is not victory, not the imposition of "democracy", but the cleansing of the country, its complete destruction and depopulation. The brutal and seemingly senseless killings of civilians are designed to intimidate the Syrians and force them to flee the country so that their southern neighbor expands its "living space."
  • alone
    alone 10 August 2013 11: 09
    +3
    In the metropolitan quarter of Rukn al-Din lived 23-year-old student Vala Youssef with her family. The girl took an active part in many volunteer events. Terrorists have repeatedly threatened her. And then a terrible thing happened - death in the guise of "opposition" broke into a peaceful house.


    it turns out that the militants calmly operate in the neighborhoods of Damascus and calmly kill people. Honestly, I don’t understand anything.
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 12: 25
      +2
      What does calm mean? In Belgorod Pomazun what, calmly wielded? Not quite and calmly. Killers caught.
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 13: 16
        +2
        In Belgorod, Pomazun, calmly operated?

        but he shot these people. But they’ll catch, they won’t catch, time will tell. You don’t have to compare an ordinary criminal with a sore head who spontaneously opened fire on citizens who didn’t like him and fighters who knew where they were going and why they killed.
    2. olviko
      olviko 10 August 2013 15: 51
      +3
      The question is rhetorical, to understand the situation, remember, for example, about the Nord Ost and multiply by 1000.
  • kind
    kind 10 August 2013 11: 19
    +4
    States have discredited themselves by assisting civilian killers. This means that the United States are the same bandits.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 10 August 2013 11: 21
    +2
    Since the 70s, the States began the "golden billion" program. Pandemics, sodomy, destruction of states through color revolutions, God knows what else is funded by the States and their jackals to destroy humanity. These measures, firstly, allow getting easy access to natural resources, secondly, they reduce the birth rate, and thirdly, they lower the overall level of consumption of natural resources. Pay attention, nowhere, except, perhaps, Yugoslavia, the states after the color revolutions have not recovered.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 10 August 2013 11: 33
    0
    Add: it is already known that a high standard of living reduces fertility. Apparently, this is the natural regulator of the population. The United States, as an imperialist superpower, is used to dominating the world thanks to money and weapons. The peoples of the world can oppose this with 80-90% consumption of their own products, since this is precisely what will destroy world trade, which is a way of external control and enslavement. This is a war, and, I think, historians in the future will call it World War III. Here we need more than ever the consolidation of society around a healthy national idea, and of course, weapons.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 10 August 2013 11: 35
    +2
    Since the 70s of the 20th century, the United States and its jackals have been implementing the "golden billion" program. Pandemics, sodomy, color revolutions, God knows what else is being used to reduce the birth rate and control the consumption of natural resources. In parallel with the migration of the Muslim population to Europe, one of the main opponents of the Anglophones, Europe, is being destroyed. It is known that it is a high standard of living that reduces the birth rate. Apparently, this is the natural regulator of the population. The United States, as an imperialist superpower, is used to dominating the world with money and weapons. The peoples of the world can oppose this with 80-90% consumption of their own products, since this is what will destroy world trade, which is a way of external control and enslavement. This is a war, and, I think, historians in the future will call it the 3rd World War. Here we need more than ever the consolidation of society around a healthy national idea, and of course, weapons.
    1. Che
      Che 11 August 2013 14: 36
      0
      No wonder our pi dr ov support and create ads for them. Do not reverse the trend - perish.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 10 August 2013 11: 47
    +5
    The situation in Syria reminds me very well of the situation in Spain, as the forerunner of World War II. Not in the details, but in principle. Then the Nazi Nazis prevailed, and this, with the tacit support of the West, spread the fascist Nazis.
    I’m afraid that if Assad’s defeat happens in Syria, then the West, unbelted, will rush on. The route is not difficult to guess.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 10 August 2013 12: 07
    +2
    in 20 million In this country all 300t. the army, during the war, is still not enough ... on the other hand, it explains the absence of the front of the war and the nature of the civilian.

    TO THE EXAMPLE SIMPLIFIED: if you just start logically laying out (taking as combat-ready men (BM) in the amount of 1 / 4 of the number):
    20 million total (5 million BM)
    2 million Christians (0,5mln BM)
    2 million Kurds (0,5mln BM)
    4 million non-Sunnis (1 million BM)
    12 Million Sunnis (3 Million BM)
    +
    0,5 million foreign fighters (0,5mln BM) - although it is recognized 2 times less

    0,5 official army (0,5 mln BM) - although recognized by 0,3

    it turns out theoretically for Assad 1,5mln the army could be immediately
    but 0,5mln army + 1mln. militias + now 0,5mln. Kurds (an increase of 25% due to Kurds is not bad)
    total 2mln (0,5mln active, 1,5mln passive)

    say 2 / 3 Sunnis are also militias, mostly only defending their homes
    1mln SSA + 2mln militia + 0,5mln militants
    total 3,5mln (1,5 million active, 2 million passive)

    And take what is 100 scattered throughout the country of large settlements (NP)

    it turns out on both sides the militia is 15tys. and 20tys. a person at the NP - of course they cannot withstand the concentrated blow of both sides to the rear or front.

    and it’s also clear why the 0,5mln army can’t advance offensively in all sectors, against it no less than 1,5mln of the active enemy, which on the one hand can hold back the strike, on the other hand, allocating only 10% of the total strength to capture any rear NP and execute whoever it wants to be executed there.

    and also explains why the army takes the NP for so long, I think the SSA for the most part are also scattered across large NPs, like a militia, say in the 10 NP. It turns out 0,15mln. at the NP. + Mobile 0,5mln of foreigners on any actual sector of the front, at least 2 are many times superior to CAA, even if they all come together in this sector of the front ...
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 14: 59
      +2
      the calculations are correct. and as this calculation shows, to complete victory there are many, many
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 August 2013 12: 14
    +4
    "In the capital quarter of Rukn-ed-Din lived a 23-year-old student Vala Yusef with her family. The girl took an active part in many volunteer activities. Terrorists repeatedly threatened her. And then a terrible thing happened - death in the guise of" opposition "broke into a peaceful house ...
    Both Vala herself and almost all members of her family - father, mother and two sisters - were found in their own house with a slit throat. "- It is a pity for the girl and her family. There is no excuse for such crimes.
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 10 August 2013 13: 29
    +2
    Kurds of Assad are not friends, comrades.
    But now they are allies, albeit pursuing their own goals.
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 13: 38
      +1
      Alexei, the allies do not tear down the state flag and do not hang their own. From the Asad Kurds, such allies as the Americans are allies to the North Koreans.
      everything is not as smooth as it seems here
      1. RA77
        RA77 10 August 2013 14: 28
        +4
        Yes, a familiar trick. One or two or a dozen of the Kurds (and whether Kurds at all?) Will disrupt the state. and they will hang their own flag, but you already generalize this to everyone and declare that the curls are not Assad’s allies.
        Are you sure that all or at least many Kurds would do that? I think no. A common enemy unites. It is clear that they want their own state, but they are quite tolerable allies. No worse than most of those who in the last century helped Soviet Russia in the fight against fascists and who are now independent;)
        1. alone
          alone 10 August 2013 15: 00
          +2
          just look where they want to create their country and you will understand.
          1. RA77
            RA77 10 August 2013 16: 15
            +2
            Yes, I imagine where about Kurdistan should be. These are parts of the territory of 4 states: Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.
            But the Kurds will not fight at the same time with Assad, in order to fight back a part to create their own country, and with bearded men? Of course not. They generally support, and due to recent events, Assad will be supported even more.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 August 2013 15: 08
          0
          Quote: RA77
          No worse than most of those who in the last century helped Soviet Russia in the fight against fascists and who are now independent;)

          Than?)))))))))
          1. RA77
            RA77 10 August 2013 16: 02
            +2
            I wanted to say that the Kurds will be normal good allies to Assad. Just like many of the current independent republics of the former. The USSR were excellent allies, so to speak, of the Russians in the 40s of the last century. And there and there, I think, in addition to the concept of a common homeland, my own interest was present. The Kurds want independence, but they understand that if the jihadists win, they will not be given a good life. Azerbaijanis, for example (since you are from Azerbaijan), also think that being part of the USSR still wanted independence, but they understood that now they would deal with the Uruses and then knock on us. And the Azerbaijanis fought well. There will also be Kurds.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 August 2013 16: 15
              +2
              Quote: RA77
              Azerbaijanis, for example (since you are from Azerbaijan), also think that being part of the USSR still wanted independence, but they understood that now they would deal with the Uruses and then knock on us.

              I think you are wrong!
              My grandfather was a convinced communist!
              Then hardly thought of independence for us !!
              Even in the year 91 in a referendum, the majority supported the preservation of the union, despite the fact that there were already the events of January 90, by the way in Transcaucasia the only republic!
              Therefore, I consider the analogies inappropriate!
              Compare here if both heaven and earth!
              1. RA77
                RA77 10 August 2013 16: 55
                +3
                Well, I won’t argue. An example is not heaven and earth, but may not be the most successful. In any case, I’m sure that the Kurds will somehow be on the side of Assad anyway. And it is during this period of time that they will not decide on the issue of their state. Those that hung out their flag instead of state. flag just the most dream of their country, but this does not speak about the general mood among the Kurds. And if Assad wins, then much will depend on how everything in Syria settles after the war. The USSR defeated the Nazis and the people cemented this common victory even more. Maybe the Kurdish separatist sentiment has seriously subsided.
                1. Che
                  Che 11 August 2013 13: 21
                  +1
                  The Kurds have nowhere to go, these are the logical allies of Syria. The main thing at the moment is for them to survive in this massacre, and there it is already to solve the issue of their Kurdistan. But the point is that it will be created. Erdogan stupid that he got involved on the side of the amers in the affairs of Syria.
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    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 10 August 2013 13: 56
      0
      Quote: romuchik
      then unite with Iran


      And how do they unite? Where will Iraq go in the middle?
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 13: 59
        +2
        Well, you probably have to dig an underground tunnel))))
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 10 August 2013 14: 05
        +3
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Quote: romuchik
        then unite with Iran

        And how do they unite? Where will Iraq go in the middle?

        Well, what's the difference: Iraq or Iran, Sunnis or Shiites, Kurds or Arabs, Iranians or Turks. The main thing will be noted in the style "I hate everyone."
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: romuchik
      I feel sorry for the Israelis, all those good Jews in the amount of 1000 people remained in Russia


      Avon what revelations went belay
      Expand about the system and method of counting good Jews, for how you define a good Jew or not.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 10 August 2013 14: 46
    0
    When GDP handles a butcher, a murderer Erdogan, a woeful question arises - how long? Either Russia will lick the backside of the Turkish snout-snout, sending its citizens for poisoning and road traffic accidents to shaggy-snout Turkey, or say: enough, stop it. We must respect ourselves if we maintain a fair line, or diplomatic POPULISM is more important for us.
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 14: 50
      +1
      unfortunately, that's what politicians have to handle ... But, like, Russia does not give Syria
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      When GDP handles a butcher, a murderer Erdogan, a woeful question arises - how long?


      Let us, following your logic, dig out from the graves of all who shook hands with Hitler, load into a cannon and wail. For not figs!


      Quote: valokordin
      Or Russia will lick the backside of the turkey


      Well what can I say? what The above described by you - occurs exclusively in your head.

      Quote: valokordin
      sending their citizens for poisoning


      Citizens travel in large numbers themselves, they are not sent by Russia and Putin personally to rest in Turkey.

      Quote: valokordin
      Must respect yourself


      looks carefully

      There are fewer people with low self-esteem.


      Quote: valokordin
      if we support a fair line, or diplomatic POPULISM is more important for us.


      pours tea, makes a couple of sandwiches and settles down

      Tell us what you think is a fair line, what is the variability of views and opinions at least on this site and how this determines the effectiveness of the so-called "public opinion".
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 11 August 2013 07: 09
        0
        diapers - I'll give!
      2. Che
        Che 11 August 2013 17: 53
        0
        pours tea, makes a couple of sandwiches and settles down
        laughing +
  • Makarov
    Makarov 10 August 2013 16: 58
    -1
    I read the comments: it's good that I did not read the article)
  • michajlo
    michajlo 10 August 2013 17: 01
    +4
    Quote: elenagromova
    unfortunately, that's what politicians have to handle ... But, like, Russia does not give Syria

    Good day to all! Dear Elena, do not take to heart, injections or criticisms.
    We are all discussing writing from behind PC keyboards from our peaceful apartments, and we only have a thunderstorm (it passed through Slovakia at night).
    You, as I understand it, are non-military people, so probably you don’t take into account many details of interest to specialists, but this is not a vice.
    For me personally, the most important thing is what you write from there, from the thick of events.
    Well, the fact that you do not go on the attack with a gun at the ready, the importance of your articles in no way diminishes.
    In addition to direct battles in Syria, there is a dirty ideological war at full speed against Syria, Russia, Iran and others.
    This ideological war, confronted there you and other people.
    And the fact that, in some article, you can make a mistake or inaccurate data, so it can be for everyone. As they say: Mistakes are not made only by one who does nothing!
    Take care of yourself and good luck to you! good
  • faraon
    faraon 10 August 2013 17: 19
    -3
    [quote = elenagromova] I personally do not insult you.
    It is clear that in the province of Quneitra, there are clashes between the army and the militants. But the fact that I cannot share operational information with a representative of a state with whom relations, to put it mildly, are tense, is a fact.
    And nothing can be done about support for the militants. There really are many questions to the leadership of Israel. Why the militants roam back and forth and seep through the separation line, find shelter there, treat them there, provide them with intelligence, etc. [/
    Lena, I’ve already advised you once to turn to Darya Dontsova, ask her as a student, and she will teach you a master class to describe events more or less truthfully.
    You are positioning yourself with Assad. Honor and praise to you, you cheer with all your heart and soul for Syria, but do not write my advice to you better, do not mislead people with your articles.
    You don’t own any information, all the more operational, you don’t have to suck your finger and write all sorts of nonsense with a claim to reliable information. Igor sees more from his window in Tiberias and knows what you are. (Igor, I apologize for this, I said so offhand about Tiberias )
    Who told you this and where did you hear that the bearded go here, you are talking about it in your own mind. Yes, Israel provides humanitarian medical assistance to those who bring the UN sheep to the checkpoint, and it cooperates with the Red Cross, also cooperates with a Muslim crescent. So what do you propose to send those children, women, old people, and just wounded people back?
    Separation line - Do you even understand what it is? And in general, why is it there and who is there? yes, if everything that you write would happen, the Peacekeepers have already inflated the whole world about it. Do you really think that these people in blue helmets have no equipment and live in the Stone Age. There is no connection with the outside world? What would be in case of violation or by the side of the dividing line no one will know about it.
    So, dear Elena, stop feeding the people desoy.And if you write, then there is no need for art allegories, here the people are serious for the most part and see how the tanks are burning. And if you give information, then please not from the Market of the city of Domaska. And then there will be no punctures like : Kurds consider themselves Syrians, but at the same time they capture 70 Syrian soldiers with all weapons and equipment. They remove the moisture of the state of Syria and put their Kurdish
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 00
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      Lena, I’ve already advised you once turn to DaRya Dontsova, ask her to be a student


      Can you, as a connoisseur of a high syllable, show an example and write as it should?

      Quote: faraon
      You do not own any information, all the more operational, you do not have to suck it out and write all sorts of nonsense with a claim to reliable information.


      You see a mistake, tell me where to fix it, and my nephew knows how to rant with a mentor tone.

      Quote: faraon
      yes, if everything you write would happen, the Peacekeepers have already inflated the whole world about it


      Like in Yugoslavia or Georgia, when Georgian peacekeepers violated the UN charter?

      Quote: faraon
      Kurds consider themselves Syrians, but at the same time capture 70 Syrian soldiers with all weapons and equipment


      Give a link to a source of information about the 70 surrender of soldiers and officers of the Syrian army, with their subsequent transition to the side of the Kurds.
      And do not forget about tanks.

      In the meantime, you yourself distribute that.
  • faraon
    faraon 10 August 2013 17: 42
    -1
    Quote: elenagromova
    Listen to the "democratic" media more - they will tell you not that

    Well, you, dear Elena, feed us stories from the series of D. Dontsova.
    P.S. to whom to believe ????
  • zvereok
    zvereok 10 August 2013 18: 25
    +2
    Offtop.
    "Damn the Russians, we gathered more talpa than adin"

  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 August 2013 18: 34
    0
    Quote: zvereok
    Offtop.
    "Damn the Russians, we gathered more talpa than adin"


    Now I am again accused of nationalism, but something very similar to the habits of our neighbors))))
    I liked that short guy, well done)))
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 18: 58
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Now I am again accused of nationalism, but something very similar to the habits of our neighbors))))


      idiocy of nationality - no No.


      Quote: Yarbay
      I liked that short guy, well done)))


      Yeah, well done good what is the cause of the conflict is not clear, but the guy is not a coward, which is wonderful in our times.
    2. Far East
      Far East 11 August 2013 11: 54
      -1
      Quote: Yarbay
      I liked that short guy, well done)))

      Well, just NO words! and what did you like about him? then he’s an armpit!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 August 2013 15: 29
        +2
        Quote: Far East

        Well, just NO words! and what did you like about him? then he’s an armpit!

        he tried to take the highest bearded man at the reception))))))))))
        38 second)))
        1. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 17: 57
          +1
          In a real fight, sports are rarely held. As the coach always tried to drive us into Bosko. 2 years of sports training = equal to the year of street fights.
        2. Far East
          Far East 12 August 2013 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          38 second)))

          Sorry I thought in blue jackets! and there’s a fleeting plot. hi
  • faraon
    faraon 10 August 2013 18: 45
    -3
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Quote: faraon
    Lena, I’ve already advised you once turn to DaRya Dontsova, ask her to be a student


    Can you, as a connoisseur of a high syllable, show an example and write as it should?

    Quote: faraon
    You do not own any information, all the more operational, you do not have to suck it out and write all sorts of nonsense with a claim to reliable information.


    You see a mistake, tell me where to fix it, and my nephew knows how to rant with a mentor tone.

    Quote: faraon
    yes, if everything you write would happen, the Peacekeepers have already inflated the whole world about it


    Like in Yugoslavia or Georgia, when Georgian peacekeepers violated the UN charter?

    Quote: faraon
    Kurds consider themselves Syrians, but at the same time capture 70 Syrian soldiers with all weapons and equipment


    Give a link to a source of information about the 70 surrender of soldiers and officers of the Syrian army, with their subsequent transition to the side of the Kurds.
    And do not forget about tanks.

    In the meantime, you yourself distribute that.

    Dear Karlsoon, I do not write articles, but read and analyze them, and I believe that the information provided in these articles should not be biased and truthful. misunderstandings. A person applying for coverage of events should know how to do this.
    As for the peacekeeping contingent, it’s not Yugoslavia and there are other rules of the game, what Georgian troops could afford to do with them against Ossetia doesn’t work here, and when possible it’s used by force. But as for the peacekeepers, they will learn about Israel’s response first. (The last Lebanese company is an example of this) And on the basis of their reports, commissions are created that investigate and issue a verdict of the parties' guilt in these conflicts.
    As for the information about the captivity of 70 soldiers of the Syrian army, read the comments of forum users above., And ask yourself the question where did the Kurds get tanks.?
    As for the distribution of the truth, that I repeat I do not write articles and do not post them on the forum, I am only stating the facts. And as YOU have noticed, I observe neutrality, I do not insult anyone and do not humiliate anyone.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 August 2013 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: faraon
      And I think that the information provided in these articles should not be biased and truthful. And not out of the blue.


      if we exclude the pro-Syrian "surveyors" from the information field, only "truth" will remain from the Reuters agency and human rights activists from London.

      Quote: faraon
      As for the peacekeeping contingent, this is not Yugoslavia and here are other rules of the game


      I agree, the comparison is incorrect.

      Quote: faraon
      As for the information about the captivity of 70 soldiers of the Syrian army, read the comments of forum users above., And ask yourself the question where did the Kurds get tanks.?


      The forum users above did not indicate the source of information about the surrender, the asylum request and the transfer of the tanks to the Kurds by the soldiers of the Syrian army. (photos and obscure videos request not shield).

      Quote: faraon
      And as YOU noticed, I observe neutrality, I do not insult anyone or humiliate anyone.


      Yes, I noticed that.
      Regards Karlsonn.
  • klavyr
    klavyr 10 August 2013 20: 57
    +3
    The West, supporting the Syrian opposition, becomes the killer of common sense, i.e. suicide
  • Donvel
    Donvel 10 August 2013 21: 45
    -8
    I really missed five minutes of moaning in a completely foreign country from Elena Gromova
    1. elenagromova
      10 August 2013 22: 57
      0
      hmm ... a stranger .... this is for you, maybe a stranger, but I live here. And if the bandits win, I may have to die, not you. And in general, you will not groan for anyone, it can be seen, even if they kill in front of your eyes ... Say, they say, "this person is a stranger to me" ...
      1. Donvel
        Donvel 10 August 2013 23: 43
        0
        I agree, about the "stranger" I got excited, about the "moaning" - too. I apologize. However, the meaning is that there is a lot of naked propaganda in your articles. People hawala, but somehow annoys me. You give valuable information, it is from your articles that I receive information about the course of the war, for which I thank you. But I don't like the fact that all information has to be dug out from under the high and pretentious expressions.
        1. elenagromova
          11 August 2013 00: 48
          0
          With style you will not please everyone.
          I personally do not like the dry style.
          and if I had read only dry bulletins about the war, and not "The Young Guard", "The Son of the Regiment", "The Story of a Real Man" and more - I would not be imbued with ...
          If it were not emotional journalism that would have read about the war in Yugoslavia, but only when NATO members bombed it would not have acted like that on SO ...
          No ... I think the author's position is very important. In journalism, in articles, in pamphlets it is impossible to write dryly.
          For example, in Ehrenburg's articles on the war, emotions are bigger than mine - this is the ideal to which I aspire.
          And fans of dry reports can read the site SANA - there we give them dry.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 August 2013 02: 08
            0
            Quote: elenagromova
            With style you will not please everyone.
            I personally do not like the dry style.
            and if I read only dry reports about the war,


            Hold on! If I'm near.
            get out.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 09
          +1
          Quote: DonVel
          I agree, about the "stranger" I got excited, about the "moaning" - too. I apologize. However, the meaning is that there is a lot of naked propaganda in your articles. People hawala, but somehow annoys me. You give valuable information, it is from your articles that I receive information about the course of the war, for which I thank you. But I don't like the fact that all information has to be dug out from under the high and pretentious expressions.


          Let's just disassemble in fact, while respecting the author (shu) of the article.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 11 August 2013 00: 27
        +1
        Quote: elenagromova
        hmm ... a stranger .... this is for you, maybe a stranger, but I live here. And to me, in case of the victory of the bandits, I may have to die, and not you.

        Hang on Elena, fight Syria - the people of Russia are with you!
      3. Donvel
        Donvel 12 August 2013 01: 36
        +1
        And Libya was also yours for you a couple of years ago? It seems to me that if you die, it will only be of your own free will. After all, by your own will, you travel to places of "military glory" of the American army and the CIA?
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 00: 03
      +2
      Quote: DonVel
      I really missed five minutes of moaning in a completely foreign country from Elena Gromova


      For you, war crimes, and this is how you can classify the policies of a number of European countries - are they the norm?
      The genocide of the Syrian people and reports about it for you - moaning?
      Murders of civilians - massive, for you "spam" about a foreign country?

      Expand your thought please, I really want to understand how you differ from a European reading a newspaper in the 42-43 year, which describes the operation to pacify sub-Slavs, for this European a newspaper column was not very interesting.
      On the radio, the European from "Sovinvormburo" transmitted moaning alien to the European about a foreign country.
      For my family, it cost several dozens of people who were burned alive, shot, killed in battle.
      Since my ancestors - the Slavs did not fit into the European, racial ideology.
      1. Donvel
        Donvel 11 August 2013 00: 22
        -3
        How are you different? None of us (except Elena) are there, you draw all the information from the media, and do not run through the desert and shoot partisans. This war is not ours. This is a Muslim war, and they, as you know, are a wild people and this war, in essence, is already religious. So why is everyone so suddenly worried about them so sincerely?

        I understand that America and the West are enemies to us, that each of the members of the forum is ready to gnaw their throats and hammer the keyboard to death. But it would be better for us to understand that we are a source of income in the hands of the powers that be.
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          1. Donvel
            Donvel 11 August 2013 02: 25
            +2
            On the Internet, every hero. I read only threats addressed to me, but not arguments.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 11 August 2013 02: 47
              +2
              Quote: DonVel
              On the Internet, every hero.


              I am absolutely not a hero, unfortunately, since I took up martial arts with 8 years, I always understood that all fights could not be won; in 28, my eye was knocked out, after that a series of victories in the streets did not satisfy me.
              This inspired me to respect the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
              Since I was executed in 90's, I have no illusions.


              Quote: DonVel
              I read only threats addressed to me, but not arguments.


              Sorry, but I'm not threatening, especially strangers.
              1. Donvel
                Donvel 11 August 2013 03: 11
                +2
                We’ll go on that hi
        2. Che
          Che 11 August 2013 13: 38
          +2
          This war is sponsored and organized by amers with the Saudis. Instability in BV threatens the same in other regions. Do we need it? Amers need - this is understandable as two fingers on the asphalt.
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    4. olviko
      olviko 11 August 2013 09: 46
      0
      For people of this sort, you and your own country, stepmother, what can we say about Syria.
  • pechv
    pechv 10 August 2013 22: 04
    +2
    Quote: DonVel
    DonVel RU Today, 21: 45 New
    I really missed five minutes of moaning in a completely foreign country from Elena Gromova

    I wanted to write words of regret about the death of beautiful young people and express my gratitude to Elena for not letting us forget about the customs of modern "democratizers". And here is your comment ...
    You can understand this post only if it is an on-duty provocation, for which you paid well. Otherwise, is this a case of clinical idiocy? How much do they pay, or is it another option?
    1. Donvel
      Donvel 10 August 2013 23: 31
      -1
      Have you paid? Hardly. But Elena, most likely, was paid. Let's go in order and without sentimentality. There is an information war going on. We all remember the five-day war, when the Western media threw mud at us and the victory of Russia for the inhabitants of the rest of the world almost turned into a carnage staged by evil Russians. Now everything has changed a little. Now our journalists are trampling the West in the mud and are doing it successfully. There is such a thing as "public opinion". In our case, it is Elena who forms it. She is a soldier of the information war and does her job successfully, judging by the comments. I will not judge the veracity of her reports - she lives there and she knows better. But the truth is always somewhere in between.
      1. Donvel
        Donvel 11 August 2013 00: 01
        0
        Oh yes, and more. If I get banned after that, consider that you have weeded out those who disagree with "public opinion." And even bet that Russia respects human rights and freedom of speech fellow
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 28
          -1
          Quote: DonVel
          Oh yes, and more. If I get banned after that, consider that you have weeded out those who disagree with "public opinion." And even bet that Russia respects human rights and freedom of speech


          Ai, I am ay !!!
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 25
        +1
        Quote: DonVel
        But Elena, most likely, paid.


        Loot you personally thought?

        Quote: DonVel
        There is an information war. We all remember the five-day war, when the Western media poured mud on us and the victory of Russia for the inhabitants of the rest of the world almost turned into a massacre organized by evil Russians.


        So what? The war of information has been going on for a long time, the victory of the USSR Olympic Reserve School among juniors in China was presented as the victory of the Chinese, which did not interfere with friendly relations among the fighters of the USSR and China, the main opponents we had were wrestlers from the USSR - Caucasus wrestlers and excellent amer wrestlers.


        Quote: DonVel
        Now our journalists are trampling the West in the mud and are doing it successfully. There is such a thing as "public opinion". In our case, it is Elena who forms it. She is a soldier of the information war and does her job successfully, judging by the comments. I will not judge the veracity of her reports - she lives there and she knows better. But the truth is always somewhere in between.


        EPT! Only journalists, Western media, who are not interested in how civilians are destroyed, how organs are cut out and eaten, have the right to report.


        Quote: DonVel
        I will not judge the veracity of her reports - she lives there and she knows better. But the truth is always somewhere in between.


        When the heads of the draftees are cut off for the boys, the position is I don’t know, but criticizing the position is very convenient! good
        When you come across a straight line and they sew a term for you, the position changes.
        1. Donvel
          Donvel 11 August 2013 02: 01
          0
          I think with my own head, and you think with a collective mind. I read the thoughts of different people, and at the same time I do not see any differences between them. I said everything I think about this.
      3. olviko
        olviko 12 August 2013 07: 25
        -1
        The truth may be in the middle, but you yourself are on whose side. Or my hut from the edge ...?
        1. Donvel
          Donvel 12 August 2013 20: 29
          0
          I'm in the middle too. I do not respect either one or the other.
  • alone
    alone 10 August 2013 23: 16
    +2
    Gentlemen. I began to analyze the article and showed errors not so that some here dare to insult a woman. No one has the right to it if a person considers himself a man
    1. Donvel
      Donvel 10 August 2013 23: 32
      +1
      Where exactly in my words is the insult?
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 23: 41
        0
        donvel.my comment does not apply to you. I have been absent for a long time and reading the comments now, I noticed that she was strongly insulted several times. That’s why I wrote it. With respect.
        1. Donvel
          Donvel 10 August 2013 23: 45
          0
          Sorry, confused in comments hi
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 11 August 2013 02: 15
        -2
        Quote: DonVel
        Where exactly in my words is the insult?


        type poke a muzzle?
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 00: 18
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      Gentlemen. I began the analysis of the article and showed errors not so that some here dare to insult the woman.


      A decent man replica. It is a pity that not everyone understood.

      Quote: lonely
      no one has the right to it if a person considers himself a man


      As practice shows, not every person with primary and secondary sexual characteristics of a man has the right to be called a man.

      In my humble opinion, if a man notices a woman’s mistake:
      - he will not be rude;
      - he will explain in a private environment what the woman is mistaken in, and will not poke into the public in error;
      - he will protect her from attacks, (I am a chauvinist, imperialist and prude) - women should always be protected, even if they are not right; without women, we stupidly disappear as a biological species, for this reason women are allowed to make mistakes and tread on us;
      - given that the "regular" observer on "VO" of the Syrian events is a woman, I personally am ashamed sad .








      4
      1. alone
        alone 11 August 2013 00: 32
        +3
        Well, we are in the forum. I thought it would be better to discuss these errors with everyone in a normal environment. apparently someone decided to take advantage of the situation. in my comments there is not a single insult to the dignity of the author. only criticism. if I offended her with something, I’m ready to make my public apologies to Mrs. Gromova in front of everyone. as you noticed, the columnist for "VO" Syrian events- woman. agree, very ashamed
    3. elenagromova
      11 August 2013 23: 02
      +1
      Thank. By the way, I personally did not want to offend you with a joke about an ensign as well. I just felt strange that my sarcasm and irony about 17 shells was not understood. But if offended - I apologize.
      1. alone
        alone 11 August 2013 23: 09
        +1
        no. not offended. Moreover, by rank I am not an ensign)))
  • klavyr
    klavyr 10 August 2013 23: 20
    +1
    I suggest all refugees (old people, women, children) - Syrians (in this case, thieves-officials ("ours") could slightly rehabilitate themselves before the country) to give asylum (during the restoration of the borders of Syria with Al-Qaeda) ... but, gentlemen, do not you think that there is a certain pattern in the temporal (period of 100 * years) coincidences: - before the Second World War, the entire USSR studied the German language in schools, and now everyone is studying ... the language of the AGGRESSOR ???
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 01: 38
      +5
      Quote: klavyr
      I propose to all refugees (old people, women, children) - Syrians (in this case, thieves-officials ("our") could slightly rehabilitate themselves before the country) to give asylum (during the restoration of the borders of Syria


      It’s necessary not to babysit, but to bring the fleet and marines into Syria, in Ukraine about three regiments from Soviet officers are ready to be deployed in Syria, and not only they - I will also catch up (PNV, ammunition, equipment - everything is there!), I bought everything (unfortunately even the fact that the FSB can’t afford it) is dedicated to everyone who jokes about Ukrainians:

  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 10 August 2013 23: 49
    +5
    I wish the Syrian army as many military victories as possible, but there will be no peace there, unfortunately, special greetings to comrade "dune", at the Novosibirsk military institute, you were well trained in how to act against the enemies of the state (thanks to the USSR ... heh), but your wife (my many cousin) and daughter will be OK, if you still would have attended this forum --- all the same, the main thing I serve the Soviet Union has not forgotten how to speak (after all, this is forever), and the rest, brother,make up soldier
  • komel
    komel 11 August 2013 03: 48
    +3
    1 + 1 = 2 is such a new formula that the US adheres to. A process is underway in the world where such a formula will not work properly. We need a formula where the entire world community to solve their problems and conduct dialogue. The UN is a good organization, but it is now skewed. For this reason, bilateral transactions are concluded, instead of sitting down and solving problems for all participants in the countries involved in the process. Russia, who in Syria wanted to gather countries involved in one way or another in the conflict. It is by gathering everyone and discussing everything together that you need to look for ways out of this conflict.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 August 2013 04: 10
      0
      Quote: komel
      1 + = 1 2

      Someone is stumbling in a fight.
      Such as - debaters, on the wrestling circle I would like winked
      to dirty in the mat.
      Yes, it would not be common.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 11 August 2013 09: 37
        0
        At one time, he preferred the ring, but after 18 years given to the MAG, now I prefer talking at 7.62 ..
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 11 August 2013 04: 41
    -1
    Yarbay help children explain.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 11 August 2013 10: 18
    +3
    Almost any information presented by the authors is subjective. That is, it carries, whether you like it or not, the point of view of the author. Well, that's what our head is for, to understand. Where more precisely, where less. For us, who are in warm and quiet houses, a mistake in understanding life is not worth it, at least for now. The author of the material, apparently, is located in Syria, where, probably, no one today wants to be of their own free will. Why? Because the war is cruel, unsentimental and does not forgive mistakes. Therefore, the author for courage respect. And why do we care about the situation in Syria? Yes, because this is the 3rd world war, it has been happening without direct contact since the times of Khrushchev-Kennedy, as they apparently agreed. But this is a war of superpowers, and people are dying. Now give me the answer: why should people suffer and die cruelly in the interests of superpowers in these countries? I am sure that these gladiatorial wars of the 21st century, which give an emotional boost to munching fat faces on TVs, will end with the Spartacus revolt, smarter and more targeted. hi
  • an_ursus
    an_ursus 11 August 2013 11: 58
    +3
    This is not the first time the West has been doing this.
    1. Che
      Che 11 August 2013 18: 02
      0
      Apparently Leningrad. Wave after wave of Western savages climb Russia. Now the same thing is coming.
      1. alone
        alone 11 August 2013 18: 11
        +3
        Unfortunately, they don’t climb. A bearded riffraff is already in Russia. Look what’s going on in the North Caucasus. But if you win in Syria, you will already go to Russia on the herds. I don’t need it personally. I don’t want a fire of war on my northern border.
  • stvgol
    stvgol 11 August 2013 20: 21
    -2
    The article resembles the agitation of Soviet times. Their problem is that when describing real problems and actions, the author uses the cloth language to write popular prints.
    Example: "USD 175 million of humanitarian aid will be used to purchase weapons for which ......
    etc. etc. "But everyone understands that the money is tied up and will be spent on humanitarian aid from the American production, that is (I exaggerate) dry rations, first aid kits, communications, transport, and other muiña, without which it is in principle possible to fight , but not more than 3-5 days.
    But to clarify this essence of the Ordinance O; bamy, the author did not take care.
    1. elenagromova
      11 August 2013 22: 58
      +1
      Everyone here knows where the money goes ... And for weapons, and for improvised means, and, of course, for the bandits' grub ... But even if we assume that you are right, look what happens. The bandits already have some kind of common fund. They are forced to spend money on weapons, and on food with booze, and on drugs to fumigate "soldiers". So, they got a meal for free. This means that a certain amount is released from them. What does she go for? Yes to arms!
      1. stvgol
        stvgol 11 August 2013 23: 30
        0
        I cited this quote as an example of crude propaganda in an article, which greatly reduces its reliability.
        It was possible to spend a little more letters and write that the United States was sending humanitarian aid to the rebels, which would allow the bandits to release the freed up funds for the purchase of additional weapons, improve coordination of the band’s actions with the help of communications received from the USA, and increase the mobility of terrorist units thanks to the vehicles received, reduce pressure on the local population (food expropriation, due to food rations from the US humanitarian aid (although this is not worth writing about, but it is real help, resistance in the occupied territory is reduced)
        1. alone
          alone 11 August 2013 23: 47
          0
          let me tell you this. I do not deny that there may be mercenaries among the SSA. in such wars, mercenaries are necessary for those who have difficulty using certain weapons systems, as well as for repairing weapons. However, I am familiar with the ideas of Wahhabis ( bearded man) not by hearsay, I had a chance to talk with them in my own country (we also have certain people who became Wahhabis). These people can not be classified as mercenaries. Their crazy ideas about jihad turns them into zombies. These people do not get money because they are fighting in Syria. they consider it their religious duty. and go there to die in droves to get to paradise. they really think so. think yourself which mercenary will get into the car with explosives and blow it up at the checkpoint? an ordinary mercenary comes to earn money But the bearded men come there to create their caliphate. By the way, they have already declared it to the Islamic state of Iraq and Sham. They have very strong funding. They provide everything necessary.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 12 August 2013 14: 57
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            in paradise. they really think so. think yourself which mercenary will get into a car with explosives and blow him up at the checkpoint? an ordinary mercenary comes there to earn money, but bearded men come there to create their caliphate. by the way, they already declared it to the Islamic state of Iraq and sham. they have very strong funding. they provide everything necessary

            You correctly noted!

            His caliphate, not Islamic!
            and correctly noticed about financing!
            Just add there is funding and a clear organization and discipline!
            They fight where financiers order!
            Even the latest events say a lot !!
            Look in Egypt!
            Wahhabis work specifically for the Anglo-Saxons and for those people who have come across them it is no secret!
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  • elenagromova
    11 August 2013 22: 44
    0
    So, we managed to find out something about that Sheikh.
    Yes, his last name is Barry. He lost three brothers who, along with their families, were brutally massacred by bandits in Aleppo last year. And the "oppositionists" should not be proud of this crime, they should be ashamed, but they do not have such a body with which to be ashamed, because the scumbags, "freedom fighters" are initially nonhumans.
    I hope even the "professors" will not deny that brothers are alike.
    1. alone
      alone 11 August 2013 22: 51
      +3
      this is possible. thanks for the info
    2. Professor
      Professor 12 August 2013 09: 06
      0
      Quote: elenagromova
      Yes, his last name is Barry

      I am sorry for his family about the death of his brothers, nevertheless, he himself was killed last year, and in the photo you presented on which he allegedly marks this year Ramadan and Assad, an obvious fake. More precisely you need to be.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 12 August 2013 14: 59
      +2
      Quote: elenagromova
      So, we managed to find out something about that Sheikh.

      and what does it give ??
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 07: 52
      0
      Quote: elenagromova
      I hope even the "professors" will not deny that brothers are alike.

      As a journalist, you should have long known from your Syrians that the issue is not the number of brothers, but that the unfortunate one has a twin brother !!
      There, in the link I provided, the user Zeynal wrote about this!))
      You as a journalist, and even more so living in Syria, it was easier to find out!
      Unsatisfactory!