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What could be 22 Jun 2.0

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What could be 22 Jun 2.0The fact that the top Soviet leadership experienced 22 in June 1941 of the year experienced a strong shock and lost its ability to act meaningfully for several days is a fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this situation greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war. However, then the Soviet leaders still came to their senses and began to act. The strongest of these actions was the evacuation of industry to the east. That was the first step to the collapse of the German campaign. It was possible to form the Red Army "second convocation", and then the "third convocation." And in the end, to win what at first was so hopelessly lost.


Today, however, something else is more interesting: how would the present Russian leadership behave in a similar situation? After all, it does not follow from anything that such cannot take shape. Moreover, in what is happening today, there is much in common with the events of 1939 – 41, when the enemy was quite openly preparing for aggression against us, and we were fraternizing with us, confident that they were protected by pieces of contracts.
So how can 22 Jun 2.0 be?

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20 has just arrived ... year. Russia is in the traditional New Year anabiosis. It is late evening 2 in Moscow in January, in the Far East the next morning, in Siberia - deep night.

At 4 in the morning hours of January 3 local time, two dozen Mi-17 helicopters with Chinese special forces on board at extremely low altitudes, not detected by anyone, cover the distance from the border in Fuyuan to Khabarovsk in a few minutes and land at the them. Lenin, where there is a lot of empty open space. By a surprising coincidence, it is in this very place in a very unpresentable building that the PRC consulate in Khabarovsk is located. It also acts as a point for assault landing, at the same time providing illumination of the landing site using spotlights on the roof of the consulate itself and from the football arena (the electrical substation is surprisingly located in the visa department of the consulate). At the landing site, commandos immediately receive transport — minibuses standing in numerous garages near the back wall of the consulate, and also openly in its yard. On these minibuses along the empty Amur Boulevard, they reach the train station in 5 minutes and immediately seize it, thus immediately cutting Transsib. The other part of the assault forces turns from Amursky Boulevard to Serysheva Street, capturing the VBO headquarters located there. After that, the city begins shooting of the leadership of the SBI and the Far Eastern Federal District (a tip to the right addresses is provided by the consulate workers and representatives of the local Chinese diaspora).

After receiving at the headquarters of the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) reports on the success of the operation in Boli (now the name of Khabarovsk will be like this), MLRS WS-2D begin to work from the depths of Chinese territory, the fire of which is corrected by UAVs. After working for about half an hour, they completely “plow into the ground” all objects of the RF Armed Forces (about three dozen ground force brigades, air bases and regiments of the Air Force and Air Defense) in the Amur and Jewish Autonomous Regions, Zabaikalsky, Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories. All ships and submarines of the Pacific Fleet, based in Vladivostok, also go to the bottom. The shooting range of the Chinese MLRS is quite enough for this (up to 400 km), especially since most of the destroyed objects are located in close proximity to the border.

At the same time, the Chinese “Second Artillery” (analogue of the Strategic Missile Forces) and the Air Force deliver a massive strike using airplanes, ballistic and cruise missiles, as well as combat drones to the missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces in Irkutsk, Uzhur, Barnaul and Novosibirsk, at the same air defense targets and ground forces regions and in Buryatia. At the same time, the PLA Navy aircraft carrier compound inflicts a massive air and missile attack on Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Vilyuchinsk, after which the landing of the naval assault begins.

Two or three hours after the start of the operation (deep night at night in Moscow), the reserve divisions of the PLA, concentrated in advance along the border under the pretext of the exercises, cross the ice of Amur and Ussuri at hundreds of sites simultaneously. These parts and connections are equipped with old equipment and are staffed by poorly trained personnel, but there is no one to resist them. The command and command of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation and its main forces were destroyed by a sudden blow, rare centers of resistance were quickly suppressed by the mass of Chinese troops. The main opponents of the PLA are the weather and distances, but this is not a problem for the Chinese command. The old and “cannon fodder” that broke down on the Russian roads is not a pity, the main thing is that the troops successfully occupy the territory, at the same time capturing the security bases of the armed forces of the Russian Federation conveniently located in full safety.

The PLA Air Force, meanwhile, is beginning to strike at the facilities of the Air Defense Forces of Kazakhstan, and regular units of the Lanzhou Military PLA cross the border with this country and several wedges are beginning to advance into Kazakhstan. By the evening of January 3, the 15 th airborne corps of the PLA is brought into battle, one division captures Yakutsk, Astana and Ulan Bator.

In Moscow, with great difficulty, they come out of hibernation, trying to understand what is happening and what to do. However, the Chinese ambassador to Moscow is himself at the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation and officially reports that Chinese radio and TV have been transmitting for several hours: the two-hundred-year period of humiliation of the great Chinese nation by the imperialist powers has finally been completed. The nation has revived its former greatness and rejects all the unjust and unequal treaties imposed by the imperialists, primarily Russia. The ambassador does not consider it necessary to listen to babble about the “strategic partnership”.

Part of the Russian leadership is on vacation in Europe, and some of the vacationers for some reason cease to get in touch with the Kremlin and the White House. Those remaining in Moscow are aware of the monstrous reality: east of the Urals, the Russian Armed Forces in relatively combat-ready condition have one tank brigade (in the Chelyabinsk region), three motorized rifle brigades (in the Sverdlovsk and Kemerovo regions and on Sakhalin), as well as one MiG-31 interceptor air base in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. It seems that something has survived from the group in Buryatia, but the connection with the troops is extremely unstable. At the same time, there are reports of train crashes at once in several sections of the Trans-Siberian Railway along its entire length east of the Urals due to the deliberate destruction of the railway track. Thus, there is nothing to defend the eastern part of the country, there is no possibility to transfer reinforcements. In addition, the Chinese invasion of Kazakhstan poses a real threat to their exit in a few days already in the European part, in the Western Urals and in the Lower Volga. The armed forces of Kazakhstan are too small to provide real resistance, moreover, they are beheaded after the capture of Astana by the Chinese landing. Moscow is asking for help in Brussels and Washington.

Brussels promised to convene an emergency session of the NATO Council during the week. However, statements from Warsaw, Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn immediately follow that China in the 19th – 20th centuries became the same victim of Russian imperialism as Poland and the Baltic countries, therefore its actions are completely legitimate. And it’s absolutely certain that these countries will never provide military assistance to Russia in any form and the whole of NATO (where decisions are made by consensus) will not be given. In Brussels, as well as in Paris, Berlin, London, Rome, they sigh with relief: there, too, no one was going to fight for the Russians, and, in fact, nothing, but it is important that now there is someone to blame the refusal.

Nobody ever hoped for impotent European allies in Washington, they frantically try to understand whether it is necessary to help Russians alone, and if so, in what form, in what volumes and under what conditions.

Meanwhile, the Chinese "cannon fodder" is successfully advancing deep into Russia, suppressing minor centers of resistance and continuing not to pay attention to broken equipment and frostbitten soldiers. They encounter the first serious resistance in Buryatia, where part of the Russian Armed Forces grouping really survived after an air strike, moreover, through local efforts they managed to carry out at least some mobilization. The first real Russian-Buryat strike turns the Chinese reservists to flight. Alas, the happiness is short-lived, since the grouping of 16, 38, 39 and 54 army PLA ground forces, with strong air support, enters unhindered on the already captured Russian territory. These are no longer reservists, but perfectly prepared regular units, armed with the latest technology. Having quickly crushed the Russian grouping, they come to Baikal, overcome it on ice and seize Irkutsk. The road to the west is completely free for them, and in the east almost all of the inhabited Russian territory is already under the control of the PLA. Moreover, in this territory there are far more cases of collaborationism than attempts to organize resistance.

Moscow is trying to start a general mobilization, but the mobilization system has long been collapsed, many Russians, vacationing abroad, refuse to return, moreover, those who stayed in Russia are beginning to flee. Begins seriously considering the use of nuclear weapons, and not only and not so much by the advancing Chinese troops, who advanced to the outskirts of Krasnoyarsk and entered Astana already by land, as well as through enemy territory.

Here, however, events occur that decide the outcome of the war. Russian (as well as, of course, American) reconnaissance satellites suddenly discover in the central part of China more than 800 mobile launchers of ICBMs and MRBDs. Some of them have already been installed in the combat position, some are in the stowed position. After a few hours of rockets, there are already more than a thousand, and the location of many of them has changed. After a few more hours, the missiles become over one and a half thousand. After that, the Chinese media officially declares that the leadership of China no longer considers it necessary to hide the size of its nuclear missile arsenal: these are 745 MBR and 1256 MRBD, while the total number of nuclear charges of various classes is 8,5 thousand units.
Although some analysts in Moscow and Washington say that a significant part of the launched missiles may actually be layouts, others object that layouts are unlikely to be so mobile and that conversations about the system of caves and tunnels, where Chinese missiles are hiding, turned out to be true . Most importantly, no one has the slightest desire to check the version of the layouts in practice.

Washington finally washes its hands, officially declaring non-intervention in the war. Moscow understands that now even mutual guaranteed destruction will not work. Destruction will indeed be guaranteed, but, alas, not mutual. China will survive the deaths of several tens of millions of people, he in his stories and not so worried. Russia, on the other hand, has no chance of survival. Moscow agrees to negotiations with Beijing and, consequently, to its terms.

The peace treaty is signed on February 23 in Boli, in a building where VBO headquarters were located just two months earlier. The official border between the PRC and the Russian Federation is restored in accordance with the Nerchinsky Treaty of 1689 of the year and the Kyakhta Treaty of 1727 of the year. Most of the Trans-Baikal and Khabarovsk Territories, the Amur Region, the Primorsky Territory and the island of Kuedao (now known as Sakhalin), as well as the Republic of Tyva, go to China. The South Kuriles return to Japan (Beijing has always fully supported Tokyo on the Kuril problem). The rest of the territory of the Russian Federation east of the Yenisei is transferred to China for an indefinite lease for 10 billion dollars a year. At the same time, in the closed part of the contract it is stipulated that a similar amount is annually transferred to the personal accounts of several top managers of the Russian Federation. The territory between the Urals and the Yenisei remains under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, but is declared completely demilitarized, neither Russian, nor Chinese troops, nor, even more so, third-country troops can be deployed here. In this territory, citizens of the People's Republic of China receive the same rights as citizens of the Russian Federation, including in terms of residence and employment. Similar rights are obtained by the Chinese in Kazakhstan. This country refuses the presence of armed forces and gives permission to host the “limited contingent” of the PLA. CSTO, Customs and Eurasian unions are declared dissolved. Mongolia finally and permanently returns to China.

NATO and the UN officially declare that they are satisfied with such a quick and peaceful resolution of the conflict. At the Pentagon, the generals and admirals are in frank delight: now the money will flow to them, because it is necessary to restrain the colossally strengthened China.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 06: 32 New
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    I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
    Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!
    1. smel
      smel 17 July 2013 07: 00 New
      46
      I will not evaluate or comment on this horror story. But the whole thing to read it carefully is still worth it. This is just one (albeit utopian) scenario. Remember 08.08.08 - where was the leadership of the country playing on this day and what was the General Staff doing? Remember the 2007 winter holidays of the year when the first two persons of the state met “unexpectedly” on the ski mountain slopes of Krasnaya Polyana, and the first military person skated in the Southern Urals at the same time.
      So much is possible with us.
      Yes, and so as not to argue ... In the middle of the 90 there was nothing that you were trying to tell. This was much earlier, at the time when there was a really great country .. Then the advanced divisions stopped at 500 meters from borders. And the second, again in order not to argue. Try to understand the term "combat potential". Then count the combat potential of our organizations (taking into account the incomplete set) and the enemy (taking into account its constant staffing), remember that all communications we have run along the border, and military organizations are in close proximity to it, and the Chinese are far from doing that. Maybe then you will remove your minus to the author
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 17 July 2013 07: 22 New
        10
        Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far East :))) I also found what to choose :))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: Login_Off
          Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far Eastern Military District :)

          Well, you can’t do it right away, you need a screwed-up plot, so that everything in a row captures everything. And why do helicopters with special forces when 15 minutes by car on ice to Khabara request The author himself can’t see not from the Far East, but he could look at the Google map laughing
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 17 July 2013 09: 44 New
          +2
          But I did not understand the meaning of the landing ... The meaning would be to blow up the transsib in several places) by the same landing ... much more useful
          1. Karabu
            Karabu 17 July 2013 17: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In short, the author is minus you!

            Putin said: “China is not a threat to Russia's security. We have been maintaining good neighborly relations for several hundred years. And over the years, we have learned to respect and understand each other. ” then China received permission to shoot the border regions of Russia
            the clever one will see, but you still can’t explain the fool
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 17 July 2013 09: 43 New
        0
        "Remember 08.08.08, - where was the leadership of the country playing on this day and what was the General Staff doing?" and what ??? I'm sorry they all have to sit constantly in the workplace without any problems ??? How did it end ?? Rolled Georgia in 5 days and all.
        1. smel
          smel 17 July 2013 18: 34 New
          +5
          SMART
          One must sit. In the same way as an NGS should sit if the Moscow Region was exhausted in its thieves' affairs. For on h.r.e.a nuclear case, all the strategic nuclear forces and the army in addition? !!!, if there is no one to make a decision. I mean, they just left me to the mercy of fate, because I want to relax all at the same time. But the case ended this way only because he was Commander-in-Chief Boldyrev, Commander of the North Caucasus Military District - S. Makarov. (not to be confused with Nemakarov), who went through a lot of things in the service, and there were still divisions. So ... sometimes it’s worth remembering the details, and categorical judgments should not be made on unfamiliar issues
        2. zulu_1
          zulu_1 17 July 2013 22: 06 New
          0
          China is not Georgia. The Chinese are stupid and very stubborn
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 22: 22 New
            +2
            Yes, an example was the uprising of boxers, but the real war is not a Hong Kong action movie, and as a result of the contact of the head with a stool, the first and not the second shatters
        3. German
          German 18 July 2013 01: 44 New
          +2
          China is not Georgia! The scale is more ...
      3. Ross
        Ross 17 July 2013 10: 47 New
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        Quote: smel
        I will not evaluate or comment on this horror story. But the whole thing to read it carefully is still worth it.


        In my opinion - not just a horror story, but a harmful corrupting, aimed at suppressing the will, sabotage. That there is only an opinion about the flight of people from their country, instead of organizing resistance. This pushing of our thoughts smells very rotten.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 17 July 2013 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Ross
          That there is only an opinion about the flight of people from their country, instead of organizing resistance.

          When conducting large-scale power train control, many factors that influence the development of the situation are taken into account. There is a territorial defense plan in which all power and administrative structures are involved. I will not give figures (for obvious reasons), but, according to one agency, not everyone will participate in the resistance. And just “not participating” is not the worst option. There are areas of compact residence in which the organization of active resistance and sabotage is possible. Add here that a certain percentage (rather large) of “storerooms” will not appear on appeal, and enterprises will not allocate equipment (an even larger percentage) and you will get the big picture. This is a harsh reality, without speeches about patriotism.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 17 July 2013 13: 00 New
            +4
            IRBIS

            I agree.

            Moreover, while serving in the Far East, in 1992 he himself participated in the KSU about the same topic: "Air strikes by adib forces on 100 groups of illegal Chinese immigrants in the area of ​​Spassk-Dalniy and Lake Khanka."
          2. Lavr75
            Lavr75 17 July 2013 23: 06 New
            +2
            BTA planes have already waited 10 hours at a civilian airport, here’s your mobility, where the enemy might be during this time. I understand that not all aircraft were transferred by air, but the sediment remained.
        2. not good
          not good 17 July 2013 13: 18 New
          +6
          Yeah, as in front of the 41th alarmist to the wall ... and then when it started ... it turns out not for nothing that the "alarmists" called out.
          1. UFO
            UFO 17 July 2013 16: 34 New
            +1
            "Fools are not mammoths - they do not die out." lol
      4. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 10: 51 New
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        Quote: Clever man
        "Remember 08.08.08, - where was the leadership of the country playing on this day and what was the General Staff doing?" and what ??? I'm sorry they all have to sit constantly in the workplace without any problems ??? How did it end ?? Rolled Georgia in 5 days and all.


        The question is not where the leadership was - the question is whether Russia will be able to defend the Far East. The number of PLA troops in the border region alone exceeds the number of BBO troops by 2–3 times. In addition, thanks to uncontrolled migration, all objects and the location of the RF Armed Forces are known to our Chinese "friends". Not long before the Russo-Japanese War, China already made attempts to squeeze Russia out of the Far East using a peaceful people — then the leadership was harder and the Cossacks quickly resolved the issue, and now who? Troops are not enough even to keep the border, not like protecting the Far East!
        1. not good
          not good 17 July 2013 13: 23 New
          +9
          Under the USSR, along the border with China, the ball was a powerful defensive area, deeply echeloned, with worked-out areas of responsibility and everyone needed a reserve. Thanks to EBN, everything was dismantled and there is no alternative today ... NO.
          1. Theophanes
            Theophanes 17 July 2013 22: 19 New
            +3
            I agree with Negoro. Remember the last clash with China. And where is the island now? After that the border was closed !!!! EBNets destroyed everything to the ground.
          2. 77bor1973
            77bor1973 17 July 2013 22: 20 New
            +2
            Even though there are no URs as such, it’s problematic to conduct a major offensive from China, this is not the European Plain, these are hills covered with forests with a minimum of infrastructure and settlements, with such a relief, the fuel tanks will end in 100 kilometers.
            1. 3 inches.
              3 inches. 20 July 2013 20: 16 New
              0
              pedestrians will not end. and selection in the Chinese army is not comparable with ours. we are taken to reach someone and they are selected from 10 1.
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 17 July 2013 17: 33 New
          +1
          what is the number of troops ??? why talk about it, if, regardless of the distance in China, the human potential is 10 times more in number, at least in the border, even in the Moscow district
          1. Taidrem
            Taidrem 19 July 2013 22: 26 New
            +1
            And that in the Second World War there was also more dofiga and there were fewer Japanese, but the Japanese quickly brought the Chinese out, the human factor is not everything.
        3. lelikas
          lelikas 17 July 2013 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Blackgrifon
          squeeze Russia out of the Far East - then the leadership was harder and the Cossacks quickly resolved the issue, and now who?

          I think the battalions "East" and "West" will solve this problem.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 July 2013 21: 09 New
            +4
            Long disbanded
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 18 July 2013 14: 12 New
              0
              Forming back is not a problem.
          2. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 23: 56 New
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            Quote: lelikas
            I think the battalions "East" and "West" will solve this problem.


            Do you think 2 battalions will be able to solve the problem that several thousand Cossacks coped with? I have nothing against these units, but correlate the number of their possible opponents. And yet - the level of training of Cossack units before the Revolution was more than not weak, but they were not used by individual battalions in such an operation.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 18 July 2013 14: 18 New
              0
              Two battalions - 1,5 thousand people who are ready for action (well, modestly keep silent about their training) - consider the Cossacks to be families — women, children, they were resettled by whole farms.
              This is not about a military operation, but rather restoring order and checking the passport regime.
              1. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon 20 July 2013 23: 21 New
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                Quote: lelikas
                Two battalions - 1,5 thousand people who are ready for action (well, modestly keep silent about their training) - consider the Cossacks to be families — women, children, they were resettled by whole farms.


                Not quite so - the Cossacks acted as regiments and smaller units with a clear military structure, rather than families / farms.
      5. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 17 July 2013 12: 38 New
        +2
        In 1941, some leaders of the USSR, as well as the current leadership of Russia, had “hatred” sentiment and faith in a “controlled situation”, in concluded international treaties.
        But then the leadership of the state with a strong leader I.V. Stalin managed to form an almost 5-million army, created a powerful industry, created a large and prepared human mobilization reserve, which was the main argument for the future Victory.
        And the current leadership of Russia:
        - abandoning the management of the economy, destroyed the entire state industrial potential,
        - under the guise of "reform", she turned the army into a "police force" to combat terrorism,
        - it actually destroyed the state’s mobilization of human resources, eliminating the training of reserve officers at civilian universities of the country 20 years ago and shortening the service life of soldiers from 2 years to 1 year, which does not provide qualified training for modern soldiers.
        With such a set of defense capabilities, Russia will be a tidbit for potentially dangerous neighbors - China, the United States, the European Union, and Japan.
        So, the option of starting a war from China is not ruled out.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 17 July 2013 17: 35 New
          +3
          what reserve officers ??? what are you speaking about? I myself do not remember nichrome - I will not betray under torture. And in the army where the ordinary went, the two-year-old above us could not command right-left
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 20 July 2013 23: 26 New
            0
            Quote: bddrus
            above us - could not command left and right


            So the level of training on the VK is such (almost everywhere) that at least stand - at least drop. If you yourself are not interested, you don’t know and understand anything at all - that's what they’re taught. In principle, the VK should be reformed - they should train sergeants, not officers. And cook with high quality, and the student sergeant should have an incentive to go and serve.

            We entered the VC when they were still drafted, but for half of the professions in our specialty, military service is still welcome, and somewhere is generally a prerequisite for hiring.
      6. starshina78
        starshina78 17 July 2013 22: 14 New
        +6
        I can add that in Soviet times, the so-called division shelves were located on the tank-dangerous sections of the Soviet-Chinese border. My classmate served as a battalion commander in one of these regiments. And he said that the regiment performs functions on the defense of a border section with a length of about 20 km. The defense consists of T - 34 buried in the ground and self-propelled guns, and each has its own sector of fire, shot to the millimeter. Now he is retired, returned home, and told how the entire defense system was destroyed, self-propelled tanks were dug up and scrapped - the Chinese are now friends. I put the article plus. I will explain why. In the USSR, there was everything related to the country's defense: there was a plan and a list of products that each plant should produce in case of war; there was a mobilization plan - according to it, each enterprise should, if it had cars and road-building equipment, provide it to mobilization points; Ways to evacuate citizens living in large cities in the countryside were developed; constantly mobilized activities in the form of exercises; at the enterprises, if located on their territory, they maintained in order all the bomb shelters assigned to each workshop; and much more that now everything is forgotten, destroyed, leased to warehouses (bomb shelters). And the scenario of the beginning of the war may well happen. The war in 1941 and now is fundamentally different. Now it can begin and end within 10 to 20 minutes. The one who starts the first wins, the second strikes a complacency. The war is understanding, as it was understood before, that is, with strikes by tank wedges, landing, artillery cannonades will be gone. It will be hit by nuclear missiles or missiles with simple explosive substances of increased power, which will be applied to destroy enemy missiles. And that’s all! And not the fact that someone will win this war. Although in order to capture the territory, there may be such a scenario. Then we will be the loser. The Chinese will not allow troops to be deployed, as they did in the last exercises, and so in the Far East we do not have many troops.
      7. taseka
        taseka 18 July 2013 07: 33 New
        +2
        "Part of the Russian leadership is on vacation in Europe, and some of the vacationers for some reason cease to get in touch with the Kremlin and the White House." - This muck must be thought out!
        1. 3 inches.
          3 inches. 20 July 2013 20: 17 New
          0
          and so it will be. Remember the beginning of the war in Syria.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 July 2013 07: 40 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

      Sasha hi ! Here is how many people are warning but still useless:
    3. experienced
      experienced 17 July 2013 08: 30 New
      10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

      It has become fashionable recently to scare people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels from 1812 and how NATO “rushed” Russia with a convoy of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to put tracing paper on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, there is authority in the world, none of China’s neighbors wants to "run the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia and tomorrow they will "tweak a piece" from them. In addition, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and the "transfer of the country to military tracks", as soon as they realize that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and aggression, right after the "phoning" missiles will fly and China will already act as the "...
      So let the author sleep peacefully hi
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 17 July 2013 09: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

        It has become fashionable recently to scare people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels from 1812 and how NATO “rushed” Russia with a convoy of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to put tracing paper on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, there is authority in the world, none of China’s neighbors wants to "run the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia and tomorrow they will "tweak a piece" from them. In addition, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and the "transfer of the country to military tracks", as soon as they realize that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and aggression, right after the "phoning" missiles will fly and China will already act as the "...
        So let the author sleep peacefully hi

        And I wish you the same, but the scenario is believable.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 34 New
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          Quote: valokordin
          And I wish you the same, but the scenario is believable.

          I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!
          1. Gari
            Gari 17 July 2013 10: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

            Good afternoon, I completely agree.
            Although, of course, China is a problem, and not only for Russia and neighboring countries, it is developing rapidly militarily as well, and demographically there are as many as 1.500 billion there. But who counted them?
            But we think in the Kremlin as in the General Staff are not fools
            July 13
            Units of the Eastern Military District of Russia are put on alert. On Saturday night, more than 80 thousand military personnel raised the alarm - the largest surprise audit since the time of the USSR began. The exercises involved more than a thousand units of armored vehicles, about 130 aircraft and helicopters, and dozens of ships. Military units also began to move in Kamchatka, Sakhalin, and in the Khabarovsk Territory. They face the same task - at the first stage as soon as possible to get to the places indicated in the secret packages sent from Moscow.
            1. Gari
              Gari 17 July 2013 10: 25 New
              +5
              The exercises promise to be grandiose, because the Eastern Military District covers an area of ​​7 million square kilometers. It consists of 4 land armies, reconnaissance and airborne assault units, as well as the entire Pacific Fleet and naval aviation. It is here, in the area of ​​Sakhalin Island, that the training rescue of the ships that the Supreme Commander spoke about yesterday, when he announced the start of a sudden check, will take place. The eastern military district has not seen such large-scale exercises since 1991.
              We can sleep peacefully, who don’t feel like they can read different fantastic books or horror films at night
          2. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 10: 55 New
            15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!


            About "everyone got drunk" - I agree this is nonsense, but the threat from China and the weakness of our army, which the furniture maker and Co. are left to handle, are a fact.
          3. s1н7т
            s1н7т 17 July 2013 11: 02 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            a person who is not familiar with the system of command and control in the Russian Federation

            I, too, am not familiar with the system of command and control in the Russian Federation, but, for example, we canceled the "duplicating" operational duty district 8 years ago. Or is there a different “reserve” structure for managing the district’s troops in the “new look”?
          4. krpmlws
            krpmlws 17 July 2013 12: 04 New
            +5
            A. Romanov, the author draws parallels with 41 in the article. Then, too, they were not fools, however, in the summer of 41, the USSR was on the brink of disaster.
          5. Setrac
            Setrac 17 July 2013 16: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

            I also liked about the loss of 10 million in nuclear exchange, and they will have only 10 million alive in half a year.
          6. Ascetic
            Ascetic 17 July 2013 22: 01 New
            11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!


            Khramchikhin has one task - the propaganda of the Chinese military threat. Although the Chinese themselves prefer to conquer the world with money rather than weapons. The dollar occupation of the Chinese is in full swing. There was a recent “duck” about the invasion of Chinese divisions in Tajikistan, but even so, Tajiks made 40% of the loans from the Chinese. They also finance the construction of roads and power plants, for which 100 Chinese workers have already entered the country (the population of Tajikistan is about 8 million people).
            Since 2009, China has invested a huge amount of money in Kazakhstan (bypassing both Russia and Germany), 30% of Kazakh oil belongs to Chinese corporations, and thousands of farmers from China received plots of land "for agricultural activities." In Kyrgyzstan, neighbors from the East leased for 50 years (!) The largest iron ore deposit Zhetim-Too. Chinese restaurants grow like mushrooms in Bishkek, and the yuan in exchange offices is as readily taken as the dollar and ruble. A similar pattern of work for the Chinese has long been used in Africa. A poor country is tempted by loans, business from Beijing takes profitable contracts, politicians are tied up with bribes. Then the republic is bombarded with consumer junk and pumped out resources for cheap.
            Therefore, the introduction of troops will almost certainly not be. But the emergence in the ex-republics of the USSR of financially dependent on the PRC regimes and Chinese military bases can be expected. Although the base is also optional. The influence of the Celestial Empire is now measured in money, not rockets.
            China lacks its resources and the only reliable supplier is Russia, as the states are squeezing and squeezing them from other directions.
            And the republics of the CIS act as "milk cows" which can be milked. Nobody will eat Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. What for? In Thailand, already 15% of the population are Chinese, in Malaysia - 25%, and they control 70% of the economies of the countries in which they live. We live in the XNUMXst century - in order to seize the state, troops should not be sent there. Money is safer and much safer.
            All these articles are aimed at driving a wedge between China and Russia, the blue dream of the West is the war of Russia and China! The worst thing for the West is the strategic union of China and Russia!
            But the “independents” will still have to choose under whose influence they will continue to exist. Do not like with Russia let them try the Chinese "noodles". For that fought for it and ran...
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 18 July 2013 12: 32 New
              +1
              Ascetic

              I think that the economic way of capturing another state does not at all deny the military method. But rather complements the first. And applied depending on the situation.
              After all, there are stubborn states!
          7. Nick
            Nick 17 July 2013 23: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

            Absolutely right! Just on holidays, troops are being strengthened on duty. Every conscript knows this.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 17 July 2013 23: 47 New
              +4
              [quote = Nick] Every conscript knows this.

              It used to be every conscript and knew. Now request am
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 18 July 2013 12: 34 New
              0
              Nick

              Do you think they will help us?
          8. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 20 July 2013 20: 19 New
            -1
            sorry and that does not get drunk? Or do you really think that no one here served in the army?
        2. Skiff
          Skiff 17 July 2013 10: 45 New
          +9
          It remains only to understand that there the author smokes at home, to deny the fact of a nuclear attack on the PRC is simply super-nonsense, the author warm guy forgot that in the last exercises the Russian troops worked out the withdrawal of troops with imitation of a nuclear bomb detonation !!! As a result, we have the right to apply just like on its territory of nuclear weapons, and on the territory of the enemy, even more so, and probably no one will want to live there in the next 200 years, no invader.

          And more ... the correct koment.
          From all this writing I did not understand a few things;
          1 Why does China need this? They get it all without war
          2 What will prevent the Russian leadership from delivering a nuclear strike? More nuclear weapons than Russia? As far as we know, there is no missile defense system in China, and 1500 nuclear weapons (I don’t think TNW at all) will destroy any country (all the more densely populated regions of China will be burned out) and no matter how much it falls on us later, it won’t make it any easier. The presence of a missile defense system in the central region will only strengthen the determination of our leadership in this matter.
          Hence the conclusion
          1 Article - custom provocation
          2 Uncle of the author should be checked for mental sanity
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 17 July 2013 17: 18 New
            +9
            Quote: Skiff
            1 Article - custom provocation
            2 Uncle of the author should be checked for mental sanity
            You shouldn’t be so. When the events at Damansky began, China knew very well that the Soviet Union was a nuclear superpower incomparably more powerful than today's capitalist Russia, with thieves and bandits in power. Of course, the author is exaggerating somewhere, but he is undoubtedly right in the main thing - there is a danger of repeating 1941 of the year! Both China and the USA are not friends to us, and such scenarios are played out so far in their staff games. In the Far East, China, and without its direct aggression, can carry out the settlement of our lands by its labor migrants, with the help of which a semblance of Serbian Kosovo, as an option of land rejection, is likely. And it’s better to blow water a hundred times here than to call this article garbage.
            1. XPEHOB BOBA
              XPEHOB BOBA 17 July 2013 17: 56 New
              -19
              Fuck you dibilok, everyone on the site knows what you are giving a point, and suffer from dementia, but still there, about the Damascus cord the weak-minded you still reason with the inflamed remnant of the brain and stop substituting your point, half-wit ...
              1. zub46
                zub46 17 July 2013 19: 38 New
                +4
                Fucking Vova, being rude is not good. The "indestructible and legendary" army of the USSR remained in the irretrievable past. Russia will never have such an Army due to reasons known to you. Think about the article Per se, this is one of the possible options for the development of highly probable events. In the days of Daman and China, it was completely different. So do not bark a thinking person.
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 17 July 2013 19: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: zub46
                  Think about the article Per se, this is one of the possible options for the development of highly probable events.
                  I apologize, the article is not mine, but as for the commentary, he understands everything perfectly, simply, it’s someone’s clone and Troll, he only pretends to be half-witted, a point preoccupied.
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 18 July 2013 12: 36 New
              +1
              Per se

              I agree.

              This fact once again confirms that all problems with the help of nuclear weapons are not solved.
            3. Albert1988
              Albert1988 18 July 2013 20: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Per se.
              When the events on Damansky began,

              For a long time, friends from Yin Yaz brought a translated Chinese article about the events in Damansky (they translated it themselves), and so - there the Chinese themselves write that Mao was not going to start a big war, his goal was to show his teeth, saying that China isn’t yours Soviet republics, "he may have his own" tough stance ", also in this way Mao wanted to expedite the signing of the border treaty with the USSR, which was signed shortly afterwards. Here is a brief summary of the article. It was written by the way by the Chinese for the Chinese ... So I’ll say that the author of the article well exaggerates very much ... laughing
          2. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 20 July 2013 20: 22 New
            -1
            who will interfere? Yes, even if there is no leader capable of making such a decision. And for China, the loss of 10-30 million is not critical. Moreover, there will be such an occasion to complain about the bloodthirstiness of Russians. In the West, they will gladly support this cry.
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 22 July 2013 05: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: 3 inches.
              loss of 10-30 million

              When a nuclear strike is launched on the southern coastal territories where the main population is concentrated, the bill will go to hundreds of millions.
              In addition to these, these areas will become unsuitable for living and food production. And this is the main breadbasket of China. Mega Chernobyl.
              Hunger and radiation are not very frail problems.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned

        It has become fashionable recently to scare people with horror stories

        By the way, Lech, I already read this nonsense on one of the Saitovs, like this article of plagiarism type, only a little redone with an addition. Although I can be wrong, there are a lot of people writing about the Chinese threat today, one over the other in the options for capturing the Far Eastern Military District headquarters wassat
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 09: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I already read this nonsense on one of the Saitovs, like this article of plagiarism type, only slightly redone with an addition. Although I can be mistaken, there are a lot of people writing about the Chinese threat today, one over the other in the options for capturing the Far Eastern Military District headquarters

          The genre is in demand by the public, as they say "people hawala" ... I’m scared of something else, as I imagine that now the Chinese are carefully outlining passages like these and somehow it’s not at all lol
          Quote: Login_Off
          Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far East :))) I also found what to choose :))

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, you can’t do it right away, you need a screwed-up plot, so that everything in a row captures everything. And why do helicopters with special forces when 15 minutes by car on ice to Khabara
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            I’m afraid of the other, as I imagine that now the Chinese are carefully outlining passages such as these and somehow it’s not getting on their own

            It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh laughing
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 17 July 2013 11: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh

              I remember one was writing in broken, but then disappeared somewhere request
            2. Dober
              Dober 17 July 2013 12: 58 New
              +8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh

              You are very far-sighted, Alexander. fellow And they write, and read, and laugh, AND DREAM. Only on their sites. About these -

              http://baike.baidu.com/view/173829.htm

              You, as residents of the Far East, I suppose, do not need a interpreter from Kitaezovsky. And for the rest in a nutshell:

              The Chinese website openly says that the territory of the Russian Far East has always been controlled by the Great Chinese Empire (see maps) and in the 19th century Tsarist Russia by force and deceit rejected almost 1/9 of its territory from China. This is the official point of view of Chinese historians. In this spirit, every schoolchild from the first grade is educated (some caring students have been specially tested according to their textbooks for elementary grades).
              These are territorial claims against the Russian Federation, which in the future will lead to the capture and annexation of Eastern Siberia and the Far East by China. The penetration of Chinese into Russian territory, assimilation with the local population, the actual merger of Chinese small and medium-sized businesses with Russian in threatened regions in the long term poses a threat of loss of control over these regions. If the infrastructure problem is not resolved in the coming years, there is a serious risk of separation of Eastern Siberia and the Far East and, as a result, loss of access to natural resources.
              Russia and China are now portraying friendships, but in a few years a clear confrontation will begin./ here is the article here /

              Beijing's territorial claims against Moscow were first brought in the early 60s of the twentieth century. China has claims on territories around the perimeter of its border and is pursuing a wise expansionist policy. Despite official statements by the Chinese authorities that today there are no similar problems between the Russian Federation and the PRC, the content of propaganda does not change, which means the opportunity at any time to come forward with claims to Russian lands and moral preparation of their own population at this moment. In China, a program of creeping expansion on Russian territory has been adopted - according to Confucius: if not by force, then by intelligence and cunning. This is what we are observing in the Russian Far East, where the number of Chinese migrants is growing dangerously.

              Expansion to capture territories and natural resources is for the Celestial Empire, perhaps the only way to cut the Gordian knot of these problems. The natural directions of this expansion have already been mentioned above. This expansion, presumably, will be primarily economic and demographic in nature. On April 3, 1988, the newspaper PLA Jefangjun Bao, commenting on the concept of “strategic boundaries of living space,” wrote the following with captivating bluntness: “Effective long-term oversight of the strategic area, which is carried out beyond the geographical boundaries, will ultimately lead to the transfer of geographical boundaries.”

              The policy of the Russian foreign policy leadership is short-sighted: our leaders prefer money now and do not think about what will happen to their children, who will have to deal with China in the future.
      3. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 10: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        It has become fashionable recently to scare people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels from 1812 and how NATO “rushed” Russia with a convoy of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to put tracing paper on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, there is authority in the world, none of China’s neighbors wants to "run the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia and tomorrow they will "tweak a piece" from them. In addition, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and the "transfer of the country to military tracks", as soon as they realize that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and aggression, right after the "phoning" missiles will fly and China will already act as the "...


        While studying, officers proved to us that China set itself the task of controlling half of Siberia by 2050. And about the missiles - they still have to decide to apply.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          During our studies, officers provedthat China set itself the task of controlling half of Siberia by 2050.

          Is it more detailed and more probable? What evidence was there that such a study?
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 18: 28 New
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            Is it more detailed and more probable? What evidence was there that such a study?


            VK. References were to military doctrine.
      4. krpmlws
        krpmlws 17 July 2013 11: 57 New
        +1
        The author of the article has a plus, because it raises the issue of combat readiness, painful for the Russian Federation. This issue needs to be addressed and we are working in this direction, although we would like it to be carried out more systematically and intensively. I don’t agree on everything about the article itself. In 41g the military leadership of the country was not at a loss, but did its job, good or bad, another question. The author goes too far with an assessment of the morale of Siberians and Far Easterners. I myself can say from Irkutsk that most Siberians, as in 41g, retained their fighting spirit. So, if the southern neighbors trample, they will not find it enough. And the seasoned one lives on ultra-fashionable theories of warfare, but what kind of reality will be, who knows, we can only prepare for various scenarios, including the traditional one: mobilization, deployment. And so, of course, it’s “tempting”: I clicked the button and Millions of children, women are turning to ashes. Anyone who will reap it? Do we need it? So I hope that the missiles will not fly anywhere, and with the catastrophic nature of the development of events, an ultimatum will be put forward, which any country will have to reckon with.
      5. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 17 July 2013 16: 17 New
        -6
        And all of our sculpted friends, such as the SGA, England, France, they all believe that we launch missiles purely in China. And they will not bring their installations with nuclear weapons on alert, and will not take advantage of the opportunity to scratch us with a pair of three charges, as if by accident ...
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 July 2013 16: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Mikhail3
          to scratch us with a couple of charges, as if by chance ...

          Are you not only Chinese, but generally all fools?
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 17 July 2013 17: 39 New
            +1
            yeah, especially England! how many charges are enough for her?
      6. Sea snake
        Sea snake 20 July 2013 22: 13 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

        It has become fashionable lately to scare people with horror stories ..... Russia has nuclear weapons, there is authority in the world, none of China’s neighbors wants to “run the appetite” of this monster, realizing that today Russia and tomorrow they’ll “tweak a piece” and them. In addition, Russia and China have no territorial claims .... as soon as they understand that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and aggression, rockets will fly right after the “phoning” and China will already act as the “beaten one” .. .
        So let the author sleep peacefully hi

        Support!
        To sleep peacefully, I advise you to read the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation before going to bed.
        The new military doctrine clarifies the use of nuclear weapons.
        Paragraph 22 indicates that nuclear weapons may be used “in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against Russia and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when threatened the very existence of the state. ”
        That is Russia reserves the right to a first (preventive) nuclear strike in the event of aggression against it, regardless of whether its adversary possesses nuclear weapons or not. Critical is only the existence of a threat to the existence of the state.

        This is the difference between the Russian military doctrine and the Soviet, which provided for the use of nuclear weapons solely in response to nuclear aggression.
    4. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 17 July 2013 08: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      . Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position due to the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border.

      Hello. Can you, tell me, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards-CLOSED FRIENDS ... After all, you know that fighting as such at the border is for the movie. 10-15 minutes is the maximum, so as not to reflect !, stop the invasion ... And call back (like in a boat, under water). hi
      1. afire
        afire 17 July 2013 09: 03 New
        +3
        Alexander Khramchikhin - you idiot, sorry of course.
        Admins are an order of magnitude more interesting than articles do not miss, and this shnyaga with a bang. rave
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 38 New
          0
          Quote: afire
          Admins are an order of magnitude more interesting than articles do not miss, and this shnyaga with a bang. rave

          Well, what to do, many articles, trying to put different points of view hi
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 17 July 2013 09: 48 New
          0
          Why justify nonsense?
          1. elenasvetlova
            elenasvetlova 17 July 2013 10: 12 New
            +4
            You would be ashamed, otherwise women are present here.
            1. Dober
              Dober 17 July 2013 13: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: elenasvetlova
              women are here too.

              What can not but rejoice, Elena !!! love
              And what exactly confused you. It seems that <bye> everything is decorous and prudent in the "men's bath"? what hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Valery Neon
        Hello. Can you, can you say, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards?

        There are no such forces, the main forces and means of the Russian Federation and China are moved away 500 km from the border, all available on both sides under the control of joint commissions. Any transfer of the military is massive from the side of China. It will be like a lodoni. Moreover, in winter conditions.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 17 July 2013 09: 44 New
          -6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and funds of the Russian Federation and China are moved to 500 km

          500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra. What kind of Russian troops are there?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 06 New
            +7
            Quote: cosmos111
            500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra.

            What else is the tundra, where do you live? Look at least once in Google with the geography of the problem.
            There is a contract that is executed by both parties. hi
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 17 July 2013 10: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What tundra, where do you live?

              500 km south of 67 parallels, laughing
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 17 July 2013 11: 39 New
                -6
                Quote: Tersky
                500 km south of 67 parallels,

                In China, there are intercontinental ballistic missiles - ICBMs (30 DF-31, 24 DF-5), medium-range missiles - BRRS (20 DF-4, 30 DF-3A, 80 DF-21) and tactical-tactical missiles - 600 DF-11, 300 DF-15) The total number of nuclear charges of various capacities and purposes, 10 thousand units, given that China generally refuses to discuss the size and deployment of its nuclear missile arsenal. But he is no longer embarrassed to demonstrate all new models of ballistic missiles of all classes (from TR to ICBMs), and now cruise missiles. Today, China has much more ICBM / SLBM carriers than 300. With regard to Russia, the Chinese BRDS are a full-fledged strategic weapon, because they reach anywhere in our country. We don’t have a BRDS. And since we are holding back the United States with our ICBMs and ballistic missile submarines (SLBMs), China has already developed a very significant imbalance in its favor with nuclear weapons and a huge superiority.
                1. Leisure
                  Leisure 17 July 2013 14: 34 New
                  0
                  This is what the Chinese told you about 10000 units of nuclear weapons. Where does the information come from ???
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 17 July 2013 15: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lazer
                    This is what the Chinese told you about 10000 units of nuclear weapons. Where does the information come from ???

                    This is bullshit!
                2. XPEHOB BOBA
                  XPEHOB BOBA 17 July 2013 18: 08 New
                  -1
                  The yellow-muzzle have a minimum of 750 million head carriers, and each such head is aimed at the Russian Federation? Here the Indians rejoice that the Chinese have only pelots left)))))
                3. XPEHOB BOBA
                  XPEHOB BOBA 17 July 2013 18: 08 New
                  -6
                  The yellow-muzzle have a minimum of 750 million head carriers, and each such head is aimed at the Russian Federation? Here the Indians rejoice that the Chinese have only pelots left)))))
                4. bddrus
                  bddrus 17 July 2013 20: 14 New
                  +3
                  even the storyteller in the article came up with 8500 charges, and you decided to surpass it?
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 17 July 2013 15: 55 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What else is the tundra, where do you live? Look at least once in Google with the geography of the problem.
              There is a contract that is executed by both parties.

              You have mixed something up, not 500, but 100 kilometers.
              But to imperceptibly concentrate a large group of troops is really impossible.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 17 July 2013 10: 31 New
            +7
            Quote: cosmos111
            500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra. What kind of Russian troops are there?

            belay Well, well ... Here you have a map with the scale of 1: 20 000 000 (clickable), measure 500 km north of any part of the Russian-Chinese border, you can not write about the results ... The length of only the Krasnoyarsk Territory from south to north is almost 3 000 km. Moreover, in the south it borders not with China but with Tuva, the length of the territory of which from north to south is 420 km. In Russia they say: “Think a head, I’ll buy a hat”
          3. mogus
            mogus 17 July 2013 11: 00 New
            +9
            belay
            Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude, Chita in the tundra ..?! And I thought that I live in the taiga ... request
            From Moscow to Russia at least sometimes come ...
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 17 July 2013 12: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Valery Neon
          Hello. Can you, can you say, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards?

          There are no such forces, the main forces and means of the Russian Federation and China are moved away 500 km from the border

          Judging by the ZabVO of the late 80s, there were previously enough border cover troops: 3 lines of SD-s (infantry in DFSs, tanks in NTOTs) and a “field-filling” corps, as we called it. In any case, this was the case in the Borzin corps. True, after the GSVG the combat readiness of this corps seemed "zero".
    5. Nevsky
      Nevsky 17 July 2013 09: 22 New
      -13
      The prophecy of the youth Vyacheslav about the war with China, from all this nonsense of the early 90s, only came true Russian-Chinese exercises in Chebarkul.
      (although only this fact alone is already scary. The prediction was in 1993, and only recently began to carry out exercises with the Chinese, an underdose for the event is excluded!)

      Glory said that China will attack Russia, and we will have to fight the Chinese. He told how this war would be brewing. First, Russia will "make friends with America." Then, the Americans - Slavochka said this in his simple childish language - “will be bullied with the Chinese. And when - he says - the Chinese will get angry and will be on the brink of war with the Americans - at the last moment the Americans will get scared and set China on Russia.
      And China will go to war against Russia. ”1 And just before the war with China, our army will be ruined. Slavochka said so: “Before the war with China, our army will be destroyed, the army will be weak, all military equipment will be in poor condition and there will be no problem for the Chinese to deal with it.”
      Slavochka said that “the Chinese will suddenly take over everything. They will come in so quickly and quietly that no one will hear. ” I asked him again: “Quietly - like in slippers?” And he said: "Like in slippers." According to the lad, the war with China will be very fast and the Chinese will calmly come to us as if they were on their territory, because they have their own prophecies, and they consider our territory (the former empire of Genghis Khan) to be their own. The capture of our territory will happen very quickly. Slavochka said: “The Chinese will land troops. You wake up in the morning, look out the window - and there are Chinese, look in another window - there are also Chinese, everywhere Chinese. ” Somewhere bloody battles will take place in places, someone will try to resist them, but basically they will come to us easily and almost without a fight and very quickly capture our territory right up to the Urals. The Chinese will not touch the northern areas - those areas where roads are currently being laid will mostly suffer. Slavochka said that fierce battles will be near Yekaterinburg, in the Far East there will also be strong battles in places, and they will capture Chebarkul without a fight. Slavochka said that “in Chebarkul, the Chinese will land troops. And before that, joint exercises will be held here, and the Chinese will know every bush». So in Chebarkul - Glory said - there will be Chinese.
      Slavochka said that the Chinese will do many troubles and will be very cruel to our population. Glory was an intelligent boy and never called anyone names. But when he looked what the Chinese would do with our population, he could not stand it and said: “Oooo oblique!” I was very surprised at this, but Slavochka called the Chinese like that for their cruelty. Glory said that the Chinese will shed a lot of blood. They will kill almost all men and will sterilize the boys. Slavochka said that they would kill men so much that "even women will serve as priests." I was so surprised at this and asked: “How is it? Female priest? This does not happen - I could not. " And he smiled and said: “I could, mommy” ....

      Full version here:

      http://vk.com/wall151110386_2450
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Nevsky
        Little girl said

        Do you want me to hear a prophecy? I’ll say such a thing wassat
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky
        And he smiled and said: “I could, mommy” ....

        Youth Glory, is that a new prophet?
        Besides the teachings, what prophecies of his have already come true?
        1. Dober
          Dober 17 July 2013 13: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Youth Glory, is that a new prophet?

          Yes pah on him ... There is an old (literally) PROPHET - Zbignicek Brzezinski. And he had a lot of things come true, unfortunately.
          It is necessary on occasion to ask him ... what laughing
      3. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 11: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky
        The prophecy of the youth Vyacheslav about the war with China, out of all this nonsense of the early 90s, only the Russian-Chinese teachings in Chebarkul came true.


        Regarding the prophecies - there are prophecies of Vanga (not the one that was recently invented) and a couple of American predictors - they have Russia UXxxx, which is terrible and strong.

        There is nothing special to say about the attitude of the Chinese towards the peaceful people - during their invasion of Vietnam, it turned out that the traditions of the Tatar Mongol live and that Chinese soldiers zealously profess them.

        And about Yekaterinburg-and nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction where?
      4. Leisure
        Leisure 17 July 2013 14: 42 New
        +2
        Chinese paratroopers know about every Chebarkul bush. Well, everything is gone.
        Brzezinich's golden dream, even the mighty gadgets will not help us.
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 July 2013 09: 33 New
      25
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Does the author know


      In the process, he also forgot about the Three Gorges dam, one blow to which the dam will burst without any nuclear weapons and the world will no longer be able to enjoy cheap labor. The concrete dam has a height of 180 m. The reservoir area is 1084 km2. Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the largest Yangtze River in China. When water sweeps them away in a powerless China, a catastrophe will begin ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 09 New
        18
        Quote: Vadivak
        .Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the largest Yangtze River in China. When water sweeps them away in a powerless China, a catastrophe will begin ...

        Vadim, do not spoil the author’s caif. In his opinion, a blow to the dam is not possible due to the massive drunkenness of the entire leadership of the Russian Federation and the capture of the headquarters of the Far Eastern Federal District laughing
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 17 July 2013 10: 28 New
          +5
          A Strategic Ovation drank the last rusty Tu-160
          1. Dober
            Dober 17 July 2013 13: 22 New
            +6
            Quote: leon-iv
            Strategic Ovation

            Sorry, but "Ovation" is it an eyepiece, or is it any kind of a specific kind of troops that is used to "drink rusty Tu-60s"?
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 17 July 2013 10: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Vadim, do not spoil the author’s caif. In his opinion, a blow to the dam is not possible due to the massive drunkenness of the entire leadership of the Russian Federation and the capture of the headquarters of the Far Eastern Federal District

          I am silent. May she remain in ignorance
      2. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the largest Yangtze River in China. When water sweeps them away in a powerless China, a catastrophe will begin ...


        Not to mention that this is an ideal scenario for amers to play off China with Russia, the essence and consequences of which the Chinese also understand very well and are unlikely to dumb enough to go on about mattresses, since in the war with us they will definitely lose more than they can to purchase. And this is the best argument for trying to finally spread their wings, the Chinese dragon.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 17 July 2013 10: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        In the process, he also forgot about the Three Gorges dams, one blow to which without any nuclear weapons the dam will burst and the world will no longer be able to enjoy cheap labor

        Vadim hi ! With a lot of delusional imagination of the author, he somehow does not associate it as a lever to drain a giant toilet bowl.
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 14: 56 New
        +2
        moreover, not in the north of Tibet and the Uyghurs, but in the south of Taiwan, who will gladly arrange their partisan warfare
    7. Draz
      Draz 17 July 2013 10: 20 New
      +8
      I looked at the author - did not read.
      Well-known "analyst" in terms of fitting any facts in favor of the Chinese invasion.
      The style is well-known: it does not take into account the characteristics of the territory and infrastructure, uses the formulas for maintaining a second world database, and is biased by definition.
    8. T-100
      T-100 17 July 2013 10: 32 New
      11
      Well, what will have to do a remake of the song "Get up a huge country
      get up to death
      With Chinese power dark with a cursed horde.
      Rotten Chinese dishonor will drive a bullet in the forehead
      put together a strong coffin by the scum of humanity !!!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: T-100
        Rotten Chinese dishonor will drive a bullet in the forehead
        put together a strong coffin by the scum of humanity !!!

        laughing good
        The war between China and Russia (if we assume it) is rather its result.
        It will depend not on the population (meat no longer steers), but on the political will of the Russian leadership to use all available means of destruction. Those. choose whether to wipe China off the face of the earth or surrender and sign yourself a death sentence.
        The current leadership, I think, will not allow this, and the future depends on us. hi
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 11: 23 New
          -3
          Quote: ATATA
          sweep China off the face of the earth


          I propose to sweep right now - so that you don’t have to worry! :)

          Quote: ATATA
          The current leadership, I think, will not allow this,


          In this regard, I doubt something ...
          1. Hug
            Hug 19 July 2013 02: 54 New
            0
            I especially liked “The current leadership, I think this will not allow it” - I already believed it right away!
    9. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 17 July 2013 11: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
      Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!
      I did not read further after these lines:
      The fact that the top Soviet leadership experienced 22 in June 1941 of the year experienced a strong shock and lost its ability to act meaningfully for several days is a fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this situation greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war. However, then the Soviet leaders still came to their senses and began to act. The strongest of these actions was the evacuation of industry to the east. That was the first step to the collapse of the German campaign. It was possible to form the Red Army "second convocation", and then the "third convocation." And in the end, to win what at first was so hopelessly lost.

      Complete ignorance of the story. The second and third echelons of the Red Army at the time the war began were already moving towards the border. The successes of the Germans are connected only with the fact that the Headquarters did not have time to pull all the trains to the border in a timely manner.
    10. SPACE
      SPACE 17 July 2013 11: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

      hi I read the article, it's cool ... laughing.
      I pulled a little info I hope Waf will not be offended wink : “The Tu-22M3 aircraft is designed to conduct combat operations in the operational areas of land and sea theaters of operations with the aim of destroying mobile and stationary, radar-contrast and area, visible and invisible targets (objects) with missiles and bombs day and night in simple and complex meteorological conditions. The aircraft provides the following tasks: Striking with X-22-type missiles. Defeat 10-x-15 type missiles with ground targets with previously known coordinates; Performing targeted bombing from 200 m to the practical ceiling (maximum bomb load 24000 kg); free-falling bombs or sea mines of various calibers (up to 69 pcs. FAB-250), with a total weight of up to 24 000 kg. Total 268 is combat-ready 40.
      The bomb load of Tu-95 aircraft can reach 12 000 kg. It is allowed to place free-falling (including nuclear) aviation bombs in caliber up to 9 000 kg in the fuselage bomb bay. The Tu-95MS, which is the backbone of strategic aviation in Russia, is the carrier of the X-55 cruise missiles. Total 90 combat-ready 30.
      The Tu-160 carrier of strategic cruise missiles X-55СМ is designed to destroy stationary targets with predetermined coordinates. Missiles are placed on two MKU-6-5U drum launchers, six in each, in two cargo compartments of the aircraft. To destroy targets at a shorter range, the armament may include X-15С aeroballistic hypersonic missiles (24 missiles, 12 on each MKU). The aircraft can also be equipped with free-falling bombs (up to 40000 kg) of various calibers, including nuclear, single-shot bombs cartridges, sea mines and other weapons. In all, 16 is 16 operational. ”
      what Total “approximately” 1500 tons can be delivered and dropped promptly in just one call to the aggressor ... So who will plow someone and bury this is an obvious question. And if we take into account conventional aviation from Su-24,25,27,30,34, MIG-29,31, MI-8,24,28, KA, 50,52 to the transport IL-76, AN-124. Take into account the barrel and rocket artillery. And besides this, and most importantly, to take into account, from a hangover of evil, not good and unshaven Siberian men with RPG-7 looking with infrared eyes from under each taiga pine ... laughing
      Z.Y. Everything is of course approximately rough, but the facts remain facts, and any of this, if considered positively, of course, can make a conclusion: clearly, the nichrome of “unih” will not work. negative
      Z.Y. Recently there was such an article, so I remain in my opinion.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 11: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: SPACE
        Z.Y. Everything is of course approximately, crude, but the facts remain facts and any of this, if considered positively, of course, can make a conclusion: clearly, the nichrome of the “unions” will not work. Z.Y. Recently there was such an article, so I remain in my opinion.


        It will not come out, but the Russian blood, if it does happen, will be shed a lot. Especially if you sit and enjoy life, and not develop defense.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 17 July 2013 11: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          It doesn’t come out, it won’t, but if the Russian blood does happen, it will spill quite a bit.

          I am inclined to believe that the Chinese are not so stupid that they would flattery in the den and wake up the bear, but who knows what they have in mind? "Hope for the best, get ready for the worst." Well, if all the same it comes to butting and blood is poured ..., the war is not without it.
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 17 July 2013 18: 31 New
            0
            Quote: SPACE
            I am inclined to believe that the Chinese are not so stupid that they would flattery in the den and wake up the bear, but who knows what they have in mind? "Hope for the best, get ready for the worst." Well, if all the same it comes to butting and blood is poured ..., the war is not without it.


            War is not without it, but victories are different - you can win so that there is no one to rebuild the country. One must be able to win, as they used to say in the USSR, with "little blood."
    11. Aryan
      Aryan 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
      -1
      The article is minded by the Ketais! See Assange 2.0 issued their secret plans, dried CIA bully
    12. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 12: 00 New
      +1
      Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!

      it’s just that the doctor’s phobia about the Chinese, his eternal horror that they’re sneaky, at 1 a.m. on January XNUMX, when all the military leaders at the TVs whip champagne, rush towards the Urals
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 14: 14 New
        +8
        zaminnusili better used to read about the author

        Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (genus. June 3, 1967) - Russian political scientist. He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University in 1990. He did not serve in the army. In 1995-1996 he worked in the analytical structures of the election headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia" ...
        and this person is engaged in military-political analytics
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 14: 28 New
          +2


          http://newsreaders.ru/showthread.php?t=1978
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 17 July 2013 15: 12 New
            +2
            Thanks for the video with this online tag.
            My conclusion, such as Khramchikhin, needs to be hoisted 3,14 on the head with a stool since childhood.
            Either clinical cretin, or representative of 5 columns.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2013 17: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: ATATA
              need a 3,14 head stool on since childhood.

              I would say that it was done without us, it’s just strange to allow a person who did not serve in the army to military-political analysis
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    14. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 17 July 2013 12: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

      Alexander, I generally got the impression that the author re-read combat alternative fiction))) It’s just that the author is not in the subject that China is very vulnerable to nuclear weapons and the consequences of the response are vigorous with the loaf of Heaven with a probability of 99% ... it’s very successful China is populated , just like specifically for nuclear genocide. And about the nonsense in the style of the Chinese army running through the winter expanses of the Far East, this is generally surreal nonsense.
    15. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 17 July 2013 12: 45 New
      +1
      I read to the word "suspended animation", puke ...
    16. kosmos44
      kosmos44 17 July 2013 14: 38 New
      +2
      Lord How zadolbala your alternative story.
    17. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 17 July 2013 16: 26 New
      0
      hi
      Regarding such fantastically alternative versions of the modern war of Russia with its "partners" - I highly recommend you, colleagues, a book Mikhail Lugovoi "The Hot Spring of 2015. In which the author quite plausibly describes a possible scenario for the development of “hot” events during the deployment of elements of the Indos missile defense system in Poland and of the Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad region. It can be downloaded or read from a computer. ...
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 17 July 2013 16: 38 New
        +2
        Well, and a video in the topic (for those who have not seen) -

    18. WAN
      WAN 17 July 2013 17: 43 New
      +3
      I read the name, I think - Khramchikhin 100%, went down - Khramchikhin)
      I read it, very interesting. He and his China rode ikperd completely off the coils,.

      Khramchikhin's statements about the likelihood of a war in Georgia the day before it begins:

      There will be no Georgian offensive, this is absolutely ruled out. / ---- / In no case will there be any war. Apparently, the goal of Georgia is to destabilize the situation in South Ossetia so that as many people as possible run away from there to Russia. This is done in order to weaken the republic militarily, economically and psychologically, "Khramchikhin believes.
    19. vjhbc
      vjhbc 19 July 2013 02: 05 New
      -5
      everyone who puts a minus article reminds me of an ostrich hiding its head in the sand, I think that the scenario described by the author is even too optimistic for Russia, but in reality it would be worse than the Chinese would not have to risk flying helicopters at all, they would calmly arrive by truck and in the perid they would drive gayts with border guards so that, God forbid, they didn’t get into any accident, which would go wild before that and the border would pass along the Volga
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
      Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 19 July 2013 09: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: vjhbc
        everyone who puts a minus article reminds me of an ostrich hiding its head in the sand, I think so

        I am sitting high, looking far away!

        You know better from there than to us from here.
        Information for reflection
        ... Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev.
        "In addition, it provides for the variability of the possibility of using nuclear weapons depending on the conditions of the situation and the intentions of the likely enemy," Patrushev said. According to him, "in critical situations for national security, it is possible that a preemptive (preventive) nuclear strike against the aggressor".

        Yes, even
        ... conditions for the use of nuclear weapons in repelling aggression using conventional weapons, not only in large-scale, but also in regional and even in local warfare

        Previously, this (edition of 2000) was not.

        A curtain .
  2. domokl
    domokl 17 July 2013 06: 40 New
    15
    Alas, the picture is more than realistic. The territories beyond the Urals are protected theoretically more than practically, and the destruction of units and formations is generally not complicated at all. It is only thought that in this case Russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons in full.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 17 July 2013 06: 45 New
      +4
      And to whom the Chinese need it, for all their exoticism today is much more adequate than the same Americans, so I put a minus to the article!
      1. domokl
        domokl 17 July 2013 08: 10 New
        +6
        The author, in my opinion, specifically issued a horror article to draw attention to the problem. I know the region very well and really see many shortcomings in protecting the eastern regions.
        The army is an army, but, alas, not conscripts, but reserve soldiers will fight, and there are practically none of them in the regions.
    2. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 17 July 2013 08: 06 New
      -17
      And who told you that China will not respond to the blow? And they have something. Do not forget that China is already building its icebreakers and ships of reinforced ice type. Disputing the right to the northern route in Russia. Although the maps and directions of the northern route in 1999 were declassified and transferred to the "world community". So imagine in addition the landing from the north along the Lena and Ob rivers. I will say one thing if the Chinese really want to, they will take for themselves both the Far East and South Siberia and Kazakhstan in addition.
      1. domokl
        domokl 17 July 2013 08: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: redwolf_13
        So imagine even in addition the landing from the north along the Lena and Ob rivers.

        laughing The landing there will be eaten by midges. You cannot get to us from the north ... Our government took care .. Even the marinas on the rivers became unusable. And the Chinese never had so many boats and boats to go to populated areas ...
        But seriously, it’s really enough for China to start, seize the railway (Transib is now the only artery connecting the Far East and Russia), destroy the airfields and everything. The region will be lost for some time. Russia can’t decide to strike at its territory, which means full-scale war.
        It is not in vain that Putin and the whole leadership are turning right there. The time is hotter and, God forbid, soon everything can really catch fire
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 17 July 2013 09: 14 New
          0
          Quote: domokl
          The landing there will be eaten by the midge

          That the Chinese will eat the whole midge wassat .And seriously, it is necessary to rearm the TWO with new types of weapons in priority order. On the training frames, only the old T-72 / 80 of various modifications, BMP-2, BTR-80.MI-24 / 8.
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 17 July 2013 18: 16 New
          +3
          in its territory? what for? or do you think that millions of Chinese will be so quickly on our territory? bullet in the Chinese territory as well, and then the homeless can then be finished off on their own, left without support and supply.
      2. afire
        afire 17 July 2013 09: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: redwolf_13
        If the Chinese really want it, they will take for themselves both the Far East and Southern Siberia and Kazakhstan in addition.

        Such alarmists were the first to conclude, so as not to create an unnecessary background and not to shake the air in vain.
        I’m afraid the Chinese zhelalka will quickly fade away from the realization of the irreversibility of its own death while continuing to escalate the conflict
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 17 July 2013 10: 19 New
          -2
          But what’s not going to break into sending in conclusion such as I?
          If this is it, I am on the border between you and them and I know a little the situation every day. And judges by the zombie man that what is going on for 9 thousand km from the Muscovites is Yes. And give us all the advice here. Come see what is, what was, and what is left. How your beloved EBN allowed the defense of the border to become demilitarized. As the URs were cleared and the troops were withdrawn for 100 km. The Chinese, too, withdrew their troops only by laying along the border rockades and straight arrows of roads that can easily withstand heavy equipment. And about the alarmism is not necessary in 41 already passed only by a miracle the German did not enter Muscovy.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 17 July 2013 10: 32 New
            +2
            um, but do not you think that you understand poorly in military affairs?
            Do you know about such a thing as a tank hazard direction? And what is 12GU MO? And what should it do?
            And the most critical question, but where did the strategic nuclear forces go?
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: redwolf_13
            for 9 thousand km from the Muscovites it Yes

            Russia from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, not Muscovy.
            One country, one people POWER.
            Quote: redwolf_13
            How is your favorite EBN allowed defending the border by making it demilitarized. how allowed Ur and withdrawn troops 100 km.

            Did you happen to learn Russian in Galicia?
          3. afire
            afire 17 July 2013 10: 58 New
            +5
            Do you speak of Muscovites? ... Has it already separated? Do you think hatred of Muscovites?
            Shame, not with western Ukraine by chance?
            Nobody will give you advice, since you are generally nobody, verbiage, who does not understand absolutely anything in military affairs.
            Our favorite EBN ?????? what are you talking about hoopoe?
            Provocateur of pure water.
            PS When it is necessary - it will not tear and will not flinch!
            1. redwolf_13
              redwolf_13 17 July 2013 11: 31 New
              -2
              I didn’t think about separation. Muscovy was separated from the whole of RUSSIA. My hatred and thoughts are with me and do not need to touch them. I would like to shout at others and send to the camps please, but this is in the looking glass.
              Yes, my ancestors from Western Ukraine, always and their whole lives defended the Russian lands and stood guard over their borders.
              I see you dear understand a lot. You read a lot of books and use Google as much as field marshal. So good luck to you.
              1. afire
                afire 17 July 2013 11: 47 New
                0
                I don’t know about the ancestors, but here your saying (lads, typical mistakes in writing the text) just says that you yourself are from western Ukraine. Therefore, I wouldn’t burst, go to your correspondent and get hungry with your friends there.
                Quote: redwolf_13
                You read a lot of books

                I really read a lot of different things.
                Quote: redwolf_13
                and use google

                God sees - only Yandex for some reason))
                Quote: redwolf_13
                thinking myself no less than field marshal

                I can’t rush myself, my wife sometimes does massage. And why not less? language problems are obvious
                1. redwolf_13
                  redwolf_13 17 July 2013 12: 45 New
                  -1
                  I love Muscovites all as twins much to hang labels. Hang and sit admiring. And about Yandex, I'm glad but you need to grow above yourself and go on Google. And even more so since your wife is doing massage to you. I am also satisfied with the health benefits. And the last you can see where I myself, if I am too lazy, I’ll say from the FAR EAST, I was born, live and serve. I serve honestly at the call of my heart and soul. I understand that this is somehow far from you but still. All the same, it’s closer to me here and I see what is happening here in what state are things on the border of the east. Like Us and Like Them. Victory reports on the zombie creator have nothing to do with real cases.
              2. bddrus
                bddrus 17 July 2013 18: 04 New
                +1
                maybe you live in the looking glass how everyone loves to put themselves above others and put the most understanding and knowledgeable! he sees everything!
              3. biglow
                biglow 17 July 2013 20: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: redwolf_13
                I didn’t think about separation. Muscovy was separated from the whole of RUSSIA. My hatred and thoughts are with me and do not need to touch them. I would like to shout at others and send to the camps please, but this is in the looking glass.
                Yes, my ancestors from Western Ukraine, always and their whole lives defended the Russian lands and stood guard over their borders.
                I see you dear understand a lot. You read a lot of books and use Google as much as field marshal. So good luck to you.

                alarmists have always been put against the wall, our Galician friend laughing
                1. redwolf_13
                  redwolf_13 18 July 2013 03: 56 New
                  +1
                  Dear biglow, thank you for Galicia. The places there are beautiful. but most likely you mean Eastern Galicia, but this is not the main thing. I’m just wondering why alarmism is. That's the question. If you doubted the issue of a retaliatory nuclear strike on Russian territory from China. Then I think that you are still mistaken. Or you are still led into a righteous rot by the fact that in the event of an armed conflict, the PRC will be able to occupy the Far East with the South Urals. Yes, the PLA has enough forces for the PRC. But whether she can keep these territories is another question. Although the actions of the authorities and the population will diverge completely I am sure. What am I based on. Here are a couple of arguments. The "China Wall", namely the system of SDs, is completely destroyed. Not abandoned, preserved and completely destroyed. Given the territory of Russia 337 square meters. kilometers and this is only in the Far East. Now the border runs along the embankment of Khabarovsk. Where in the city is the headquarters of VO.
                  Yes, the troops moved 100 km from the borders, but the pragmatic Chinese extended the highway to the border and they can withstand heavy equipment. So they do not need to concentrate and move troops. Yes, and more about border protection. And this truth, we have several outposts where the number of people in the squad reaches 10 people. Unfortunately, but the border guards joke now, the Chinese and our stuffed animals are guarding the border. Yes it was the stuffed animals that stand on the border in the bushes and on the towers. It somehow frightens off wild hunters. Recently, he himself was a participant in the export of Chinese from our territory. 2 abandoned villages were settled. All of them seeped across the border and settled in OUR land and no one knew about them. Thanks to the hunters, they suggested. So that in one that in another village more than 20 families, all not older than 30-40 years, judging by planting and arrangement, have lived for at least 1 year. Here you have the border on the castle. Although you judge. But with cap-making it is necessary to say goodbye for a long time. This leads only to sad results.
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 18 July 2013 04: 34 New
                    0
                    Fortunately, if we keep the Transibu line?
                  2. biglow
                    biglow 18 July 2013 10: 34 New
                    +1
                    Quote: redwolf_13
                    Dear biglow, thank you for Galicia. The places there are beautiful. but most likely you mean Eastern Galicia, but this is not the main thing. I’m just wondering why alarmism is.

                    all you write is empty emotions ...
                    Throughout its history, China fought only on its territory, and they did not have major wars from the point of view of a European .. All attempts to fight with neighbors ended in tears for China and one can recall not only Daman or the conflict with Vietnam, but also more ancient stories.
                    And the second question is why do I fight with us? What will he get from this? China now needs raw materials and energy of all kinds, all this China can buy from Russia, especially since China has accumulated a large number of rapidly cheaper dollars that need to be put somewhere.
                    And what will war with Russia give China? Nothing good, China is not at all monolithic in terms of people and ideology, everything rests only on the iron hand of power. We look at China from the point of view of European logic. But in Asia, our own logic is not always clear and obvious for us (read about Buddhism and Taoist ethics) In the event of any conflict with China, Russia will no doubt use nuclear weapons to defend itself, and a couple of strikes against the economic centers of southern China will be enough to bring down the entire Chinese economy and bring the country into a state of chaos for a long time that the Chinese will not be able to restore very soon.
                    Why China can not capture Taiwan, the answer is very simple, it is not profitable from the point of view of the economy, there may be too big losses that have nothing to compensate for ...
                    And you were in Galicia, I served in the Ternopil region, a city of battles
                    1. redwolf_13
                      redwolf_13 18 July 2013 11: 45 New
                      -1
                      To my great regret, I was not in Galicia. Seaside I am seaside, I have a big dream to visit Ukraine but not yet. With many of the above, I agree. But do not forget one thing. Asians are very complicated guys. And with them you need to be on guard. Recently, China began to resemble Germany in 1933. A growing economy, population growth, the emergence of a wealthy elite, a change in worldview, and attempts to identify itself as an Asian empire.
                      1. biglow
                        biglow 18 July 2013 15: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: redwolf_13
                        To my great regret, I was not in Galicia. Seaside I am seaside, I have a big dream to visit Ukraine but not yet. With many of the above, I agree. But do not forget one thing. Asians are very complicated guys. And with them you need to be on guard. Recently, China began to resemble Germany in 1933. A growing economy, population growth, the emergence of a wealthy elite, a change in worldview, and attempts to identify itself as an Asian empire.

                        you write in Russian as in a non-native language, so they write to you that your style of presentation is similar to that which people in Galicia write on this site quite a lot ...
                      2. redwolf_13
                        redwolf_13 18 July 2013 16: 37 New
                        -1
                        wink I didn’t know, thanks. Although in the Far East there are a lot of immigrants from Ukraine and Belarus. Muscovites cannot understand us like that. They say that we quickly speak and think. And our language style is different.
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 18 July 2013 17: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: redwolf_13
                        our language style is different.

                        Everything can be, only you, dear redwolf_13 the style is not that different; it’s different in the series of posts!
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      3. Tersky
        Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: redwolf_13
        If this is me, I’m on the border between you and them

        Well, somehow it’s not modest, you are on the territory of the Russian Federation, there is no such country as “between” and cannot be. And second, the pronoun I in the middle of the sentence is written in words.
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 17 July 2013 11: 53 New
          +2
          Yes Dear Tersky, in the context of our conversation, the sentence “If it is I who am on the border between you and them” had a semantic load not like being in another state. But how is the location of one person on the border and the borders guarding it and the second person located at a great distance from him. But note all this is implied in the context of one temporary side chapel about one territory. But at the expense of spelling, do not blame me, I wrote a little agitated and did not notice my unfortunate mistake. And if she warped you, I apologize
      4. screw cutter
        screw cutter 17 July 2013 12: 21 New
        +1
        I believe that the Chinese do not need a pure war with Russia, enough corrupt officials, and a quiet occupation of the Chinese population. And in terms of territory, the southern and western neighbors look more attractive, and the climate is favorable and the resources are easier to mix in the crowd.
  3. JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 July 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    China has something to answer, but they have frank anti-aircraft defense ..but, here they are waiting for s-400 to copy .......
    And a little lyrics: China can’t defeat us because it’s a copier country, it’s extremely difficult for them to come up with anything ..... that is, to adapt to the new conditions of war, to use new types of weapons, to develop methods for counteracting China they will vryat .. ..
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 17 July 2013 06: 41 New
    0
    I frankly did not like the article.
  • Sarus
    Sarus 17 July 2013 06: 43 New
    21
    Read. Double feelings.
    1. I do not think that the Siberian parts will be so easily broken. And especially Pacific Fleet. While the PLA will deploy its forces, the Pacific Fleet can pretty much prevent this.
    2. At heart, a worm crept in. The author is right that after the Ural mountains, we have few cities of military units and the population in general. All bomb shelters and weapons depots and the like have long been in the past. As an example, I’ll give Krymsk where the warning system did not work. And if there is an airstrike, but in the city only through explosions and fires, residents will know about it. And I agree with the author about top management. Our decision-making system is none. An example is the war with Georgia 2008 .. It took several days to understand what needed to fit in. It was all Georgia. And decide on a nuclear strike by China. This requires "eggs" and real ...
    PS
    A resident of Tomsk. Near the motorized rifle brigade there are also parts of the Strategic Missile Forces near Novosib .. Maybe the Chinese will not reach us.
    As they say wait and see. But I would be calmer if the Russian army began in the East to truly strengthen ...
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 July 2013 07: 10 New
      10
      Quote: Sarus
      At heart, a worm crept in

      This was the main task of the author.
      Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.
      The crystal dream of the United States and the Zionists, this is a war with China until the last Russian soldier.
      Those who sow thoughts about the war of the Russian Federation and China, or the enemies of Russia, or did not think seriously on this topic.
      ps After June 22, it was May 9, and the author did not develop this topic. Article minus.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 July 2013 07: 29 New
        -19
        Quote: ATATA
        Crystal dream of the USA and Zionists

        What does the Zionists have to do with it? Have you ever read the definition of Zionism? Well, at least open the Wilipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC Their interests are between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Well, even if we accept the most tendentious Arab version of the special aggressiveness and aggressive plans of the Zionists, "from the Nile to the Euphrates." Where is the interest in the Far East? You have an obsession, it is necessary to treat.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 July 2013 07: 31 New
          +8
          Quote: Nagan
          What does the Zionists have to do with it? Have you ever read the definition of Zionism? Well, at least open the Wilipedia. Their interests are between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

          Zionism was tasked with achieving a “return” of Jews to Palestine and laying the foundations of a Jewish world empire there. The idea of ​​domination of other nations over the past hundred years has kept pace with the idea of ​​revolution, and the successes of one could not be achieved without the help of the other. Their successes are evident: "return" became a fait accompli, as did the nation state of the chosen tribe; at the same time, the national states of other peoples, these base breeds outside the Jewish Law, are either completely destroyed or weakened and weakened: the European great powers of the past, and the beginning of our century is no more. The forces of the Jewish state acted from above, corrupting the governments of these countries, the forces of the revolution undermined the foundations of their existence from below.

          Their interests are much broader do not let the fog.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 17 July 2013 20: 55 New
            -3
            Quote: ATATA
            European great powers of the past, and the beginning of our century no more

            It seems that in our century not a single country in Europe has been liquidated. Both the Union and Yugoslavia (although how great is it?) Fell apart in last century. Which, however, does not in itself make the lives of the peoples involved even any better, the wounds still hurt.
      2. domokl
        domokl 17 July 2013 08: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: ATATA
        Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.

        What kind of nonsense did they write ... laughing What a wedge? And we and the Chinese are well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the region’s defense. The author organized a scarecrow precisely to highlight the problem.
      3. domokl
        domokl 17 July 2013 08: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        . After June 22, it was May 9, but the author did not develop this topic.

        And there were 27 of millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of cities and villages. Then this topic needs to be developed. The means of destruction have improved many times
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 July 2013 09: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          And there were 27 of millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of cities and villages. Then this topic needs to be developed. The means of destruction have improved many times

          The means of destruction in the Russian Federation are many times more than in China.
          Quote: domokl
          The author organized the scarecrow exactly in order to highlight the problem.

          Quote: domokl
          What kind of nonsense did they write ...
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 17 July 2013 09: 51 New
        +1
        The article is realistic, a lot of stupidity of course, but also a lot of truth.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Clever man
          The article is realistic, a lot of stupidity of course, but also a lot of truth.

          In my opinion, it is very realistic. In practice, everything is much worse. The Celestial Army has been re-equipped with modern equipment and is conducting offensive exercises, namely in the north of China near the borders with Russia. In China, the mobilization system is fully preserved (in relation to both the population and industry). For a similar reason, most of the PLA ground forces remain divisions. Only a small number of them were reorganized into brigades. The latter are designed for local wars, but the basis is the divisions designed for large-scale offensive war. For the same big war, today China creates the world's largest tank fleet. Without tanks, conduct large-scale offensive operations state of the Chinese tank fleet. The troops have already received at least four thousand modern Toure-96 and Toure-99 tanks, and replacing the old with new ones is on a one-to-one basis. That is, a radical qualitative update does not lead to quantitative reductions. Toure-96 / 96A vehicles have already arrived in all seven military districts of the PLA, Toure-99 - so far, only in three districts: Shenyang, Beijing and Lanzhou exactly in those adjacent to the borders with Russia.
          1. Dober
            Dober 17 July 2013 13: 39 New
            0
            Quote: cosmos111
            The Celestial Army is rearmed with modern equipment and conducts offensive exercises, namely in the north of China near the borders with Russia.

            As early as September 2008, 10-day exercises of the Shenyang and Beijing military districts, unprecedented in scale, were held. During the exercises, units of the Shenyang Military District made a throw at a distance of 1000 km to the territory of the Beijing Military District, where they conducted a training battle with parts of this district. Relocation was carried out both under its own power and by rail. The objectives of the exercises were to develop skills of maneuvering by army units at a great distance from basing places and to increase the level of command and control of rear support for troops.

            Such a scenario of exercises can only be considered as preparation for a war with Russia, and an offensive is being worked out, not a defense. With regard to Taiwan (as well as, for example, to Southeast Asia or the Korean Peninsula), this scenario does not make sense due to the incomparably lower depth of the theater of war and other natural and climatic conditions. Deep offensive operations were practiced on land, in the mountainous-steppe area, only Russia and Kazakhstan can be their targets for China. The relief of the area where the exercises were held is similar to the Transbaikal, and 1000 km is the distance from the Russian-Chinese border along the Argun River to Lake Baikal. The Lanzhou Military District of the PLA is located against Kazakhstan; it did not participate in these exercises. The exercises were carried out precisely by the Shenyang and Beijing districts.

            As you can see, today China has an army worthy of a world leader!
    2. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 17 July 2013 08: 10 New
      0
      Forces Toph? And they simply are not. Absolutely no. Recently, exercises took place between Toph and the Navy of China. 7 destroyers from China and 2 BOD from the Pacific Fleet and 1 tugboat. Well, how do you like the strength of Pacific Fleet. The rest is at the base welded to the pier and rots without repair of smart crews. It's just a pile of scrap metal
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 17 July 2013 09: 52 New
        -7
        Guys if you poke minus signs, then justify
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Clever man
          Guys if you poke minus signs, then justify

          To whom are the minuses, if the author of the article, so I wrote a minus for what. Delitant article hi
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 17 July 2013 15: 17 New
          +1
          Duc for a lie - for her, vile. We took part with the Chinese in the 2EM exercises, and other ships in our teachings and the Varyag 70. And this is not considering the Kamchatka submarines.
    3. domokl
      domokl 17 July 2013 08: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Sarus
      I’ll give an example of Krymsk where the warning system did not work.

      Well, I don’t know. At the expense of the notification system, I am sure that 100% will work. For us, it notifies the population every six months in the training mode. There are no complaints. In the city with a million people, you can hear the siren everywhere and everyone. smile
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        I’m 100% sure that it will work at the expense of the notification system. With us, it notifies the population every six months in the training mode

        That's it, that everyone is used to the fact that if a siren howls, then someone is checking it request
        1. domokl
          domokl 17 July 2013 20: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          That's it, that everyone is used to the fact that if a siren howls, then someone is checking it

          Sasha wrote Epuntu. We have been warned for two days before checking on TV that there is no panic. Yes and serena is used not only during a military attack (it is not so easy to get to us), it is necessary in case of technological disasters. This is much more relevant now. The plants are serious and dangerous around.
  • buzuke
    buzuke 17 July 2013 06: 44 New
    +7
    yes, as they say, you’ll make a nice call ... you can argue a lot of things, but the main question is why? the Chinese are easier to buy than take away. Yes, and cheaper. they won Africa with might and main. and similar scenarios are written in the State Department and moved through all sorts of trolls
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 July 2013 21: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: buzuke
      and similar scenarios are written in the State Department and moved through all sorts of trolls

      Indeed, this is the blue dream of amers. The states begin to penetrate the APR and see China as their main adversary. Therefore, they are trying to pull the Russian Federation to their side against the second most powerful country in economic power. But the armed forces of China are still far behind the state forces. Therefore, the People's Republic of China and went to rapprochement with us in the calculation to bribe and copy comparable to the US MBTs, such as SU-35, diesel-electric submarines, etc.
      War is a continuation of politics ... by violent means. So what kind of policies does the PRC pursue with us, and we with respect to China? Yes, over time, everything can change (I would like for the better for us). But let's solve problems as they come. And how they can be solved in modern conditions showed the maneuvers of troops and forces of the BBO fleet that began recently.
      But nobody will fight the mass armies (PLA) with old methods. According to OBS, there is a weapon based on new physical principles, developed specifically for these purposes. So, not having all the information, it is not worth making hasty conclusions about the incompetence of the country's military-political leadership. And I think that they are well aware that China is vulnerable to our response. Therefore, they seek common ground and interaction, not vice versa. Only together, the Russian Federation and China are able to confront the United States and NATO. And if one by one, then as my son says: the main thing is to have time to press a button to reduce the war to nobody's.
  • Soldier
    Soldier 17 July 2013 06: 47 New
    10
    Another, unsupported horror story based on the fact that there are many Chinese and few of us. Brad. Once again I declare (I used to work in China) in the near and even distant future of the war with China I DO NOT EXPECT. The author forgets that besides of the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And in 15 years there can be more Indians than Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.
    1. krasin
      krasin 17 July 2013 06: 58 New
      +2
      Reassured! And then terribly caught up fellow
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 17 July 2013 09: 56 New
        +4
        1) Against India, there is still no such comic "friend" of China as Pakistan with hundreds of millions of people ...
        The fact that initially Russia, Kazakhstan and the Kyrgyz Republic alone will fight against China is quite possible in reality: EVERYONE WILL WAIT FOR THE ATTENUATION OF 2 camps. But then, India and Pakistan and the Caucasus and NATO and Indonesia and Japan - all adequate countries in the world will harness themselves to a new world war to solve their problems ... And the goal will be to tear the wounded bear and dragon before they become stronger ...
        So the author is not right in only one thing: this will never be a war of 2 countries: China and Russia.
        2) And the author is still wrong that Japan will close his eyes to the war with China for the Kuril Islands, during the Third World War only the pride of the Kurils will not allow them to return the Kuril Islands.
        3) If China and Japan enter the war, then Korea will no longer be able to stand aside ... Moreover, both Koreas. And there the top of the USA will appear ...
        4) I'm not talking about the Middle East. If the World War breaks out with the violation of international treaties and organizations like the UN, 5bn. Saudi dollar armored tanks will solve their tasks in the Middle East ...
        5) In general, China and Russia are not 2 villages, so that the world remains on the sidelines ... Blaze up so that it doesn’t seem much ... For the United States this will be an opportunity to become the master of the world again, NEVER they will remain on the sidelines ... them the fact that the president of Honduras went to the toilet is important, but here is the world war and are they aloof? There will be new lendlises and island wars at least ... They will try to get by with a little blood again ...
        6) World war will change the World Map do not hesitate.
    2. krpmlws
      krpmlws 17 July 2013 12: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Armeec
      Another, unsupported horror story based on the fact that there are many Chinese and few of us. Brad. Once again I declare (I used to work in China) in the near and even distant future of the war with China I DO NOT EXPECT. The author forgets that besides of the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And in 15 years there can be more Indians than Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.

      Oh, these prophets ... their fate is sad in their native country. A common logical mistake is to extrapolate the present geopolitical situation to the future, to assume that the world is unchanged. Who will guarantee that in ten years a nationalistic and adventurous government will not come to power in China ?
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 July 2013 21: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Armeec
      The author forgets that in addition to the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And the Indians through 15 can become more than the Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.

      Namesake! Totally agree with you. India is our "balancer" against China. And China is well aware of this. Therefore, he will not seek war on two fronts. Moreover, I have good reason to believe that yours: “I declare (I used to work in China) I DO NOT EXPECT a war with China in the near and even distant future” - coincides with the assessments of “some” structures.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 17 July 2013 06: 49 New
    +2
    Do not scold the author for something - good fiction. Enter a couple of heroine heroines, increase the volume of pages to 200 and can be published. I remember similar stories (only with the other end) were published in the USSR in the late 30s. And this one can be translated and published in Chinese.
    And it’s pointless to discuss this literary exercise.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 17 July 2013 07: 04 New
      +1
      Homegrown authors post similar books on the Samizdat forum. I downloaded 937 books in one archive, such.
  • Sarus
    Sarus 17 July 2013 06: 51 New
    -6
    Soldier. Well, what's the point in the war between China and Russia, India fit in?
    What will she have from this? Moreover, Pakistan is a friend of China .. I think that Pakistan will attack India rather than India against China. Then Japan. He will not be for us and this is a fact.
    In such a war for Japan, the United States will not harness. Because the help of Japan is accordingly the help of Russia.
    And for the USA, Siberia for joint development with China is much more interesting than the central and possibly "nuclear" but empty and hungry China
  • erased
    erased 17 July 2013 06: 52 New
    12
    The fact that on June 22, 1941, the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and for several days lost the ability to take meaningful actions is an obvious fact

    Crap! It is enough to look at the journal of visits and the hours of reception of Stalin and the work schedule of the General Staff of the Red Army to understand this.
    Regarding a possible plan for the capture of China - here it should be considered specialists taking into account the real balance of power, intelligence data and others. Only satellites guarantee the impossibility of a hidden concentration of Chinese forces at the borders. So the author asked a topic, but did not prove it.
    For an attempt - 3. For a lie at the beginning - 1. Total - 2.
  • Strelok20883
    Strelok20883 17 July 2013 06: 53 New
    +4
    Yes, well, and the little article .... And the men don’t know! Of course, the Far East should be strengthened not in a childish way, both socially and militarily.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 17 July 2013 06: 53 New
    +7
    Why did the author assume that the Chinese are so stupid that something would be so straightforward and open. China borders not only with Russia. There are state entities formally allied with Russia, which are much easier, risk-free goals. They voluntarily surrendered about 4500 km2 at the request of Chinese friends. When everything settles down within the new borders, China will ask again. It’s not a pity for the Chinese and Tajiks for the Chinese. It’s not they who have designated and defended the old borders.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 17 July 2013 10: 04 New
      +1
      The Kyrgyz Republic has territorial claims against China, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Uyghuria and Russia fellow (moreover, to Mongolia and Russia it is more likely historical, 10 and 5 centuries are not short periods, but to the rest centuries old only)
      The world just doesn’t know about it. wassat

      So it’s not necessary to simplify everything, nobody will just donate their lands. Especially the Kyrgyz who have already survived several dozen genocides and changed dozens of places of residence until they ended up in the mountains ...
      1. Dober
        Dober 17 July 2013 13: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        Kyrgyz Republic has territorial claims to China, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Uyghuria and Russia

        Horror! And the peasants didn’t know (s) ... Surely from there "June 22nd".
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 July 2013 07: 01 New
    +3
    The author needs fan fiction to write on this topic, but here is a serious forum, and there is no need to cast a shadow over our wattle fence. By the way, thousands of books have been posted on similar topics in Samizdat, I don’t want to read.
  • Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 17 July 2013 07: 05 New
    +5
    The author, being no Sinologist, did not take into account the fact that China has so many internal contradictions and problems that any more or less large-scale war will simply lead to the collapse of China to a whole bunch of principalities-states.

    The author does not at all take into account the presence of tactical nuclear weapons in Siberia and the Far East of Russia - aimed precisely at containing the "five hundred millionth Chinese armada." Even conventional artillery systems are sharpened for the use of stuffed ammunition.

    Well, let him think for himself how the Chinese will supply the Armada in the absence of infrastructure on our part, in two-meter snowdrifts and frost -30?

    Full of crap. minus
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 17 July 2013 07: 07 New
      +1
      add - the author also knows nothing about the Taiwan question)
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 17 July 2013 10: 15 New
        0
        Taiwan is China, simply not recognizing the government of the Communists. In any major war, Taiwan will naturally be for the people of China.

        And at the moment they have only 2 internal subjects with contradictions: Uiguria and Tibet. There will be no small principalities. Those will struggle for independence.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 17 July 2013 10: 47 New
          +1
          Does Taiwan know about this? What about the US patronage over Taiwan?
  • mogus
    mogus 17 July 2013 07: 07 New
    +2
    a scenario is possible if the politics of the 90s continued ...
  • Sarus
    Sarus 17 July 2013 07: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: Sarus
    At heart, a worm crept in

    This was the main task of the author.
    Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.
    The crystal dream of the United States and the Zionists, this is a war with China until the last Russian soldier.
    Those who sow thoughts about the war of the Russian Federation and China, or the enemies of Russia, or did not think seriously on this topic.

    My worm is not about war, but about our top leadership ..
    That in the event of such a conflict, it will be able to quickly make the necessary decisions ..
  • ATATA
    ATATA 17 July 2013 07: 13 New
    +2
    Let someone give an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeat.
    The article was written by a little talented science fiction concurrent provocateur.
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 17 July 2013 07: 15 New
      +2
      tiananmen square wink defeated his marsh, and now makes good progress)
    2. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 17 July 2013 07: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: ATATA
      Let someone give an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeat.
      Alas, before the five-day war, they also spoke about the Jews. Who will say that the Jews do not know how to fight?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 17 July 2013 08: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: tambourine 2012
        Alas, before the five-day war, they also spoke about the Jews. Who will say that the Jews do not know how to fight?

        Do you always answer a question with a question?
        But did Israel have strong opponents?
        1. tambourine 2012
          tambourine 2012 17 July 2013 08: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          But did Israel have strong opponents?

          The opponents were quite comparable in power among the Jews, the army was not what it is now, but Egypt, for example, was even very personal
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 17 July 2013 09: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: tambourine 2012
            Jews had an army that is not what it is now

            It’s quite that.
            Quote: tambourine 2012
            and Egypt, for example, was even very personal

            The concept of discipline was not there either then or now.
    3. Dober
      Dober 17 July 2013 13: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: ATATA
      an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeated.

      All recent wars have been fought by countries with INDUSTRIALIZATION. In the struggle for the development of this very industrialization. China has only come to this line.
      Under the influence of the rapid development of capitalism, China - over 80 percent a peasant country - has already entered the historical phase of deking up, when the majority of the rural population becomes unnecessary in either the village or the city. The explosive social energy of this process, which is rapidly ejecting gigantic (in this particular case, billions) human masses from the usual circle of life, is colossal. Who and where will she direct? This force can be both constructive and destructive. For ourselves, who went through forced peeling in the first half of the XNUMXth century, all this is still too memorable for the gigantic construction projects, industrialization, wars of our century, colonization (development) of lands and countries, etc.

      With whom will China fight if something happens, whose lands will be “developed”? Take a look at the map, where on our side of the border the population density is less than 2 people per square meter. km., and with Chinese - more than 150, and answer this question yourself. Remembering at the same time that we have already squandered the social energy of our christening, which is given to any nation only once in its entire history. China, in fact, has not yet begun to spend it. We have nothing to oppose him.

      Any large-scale conflict with China is simply suicide for us. No options. The times of Damansky Island have passed: we are not the same, China is not the same. In no case can we and should not be on the forefront of Western weapons aimed at the Chinese side. That would be complete insanity, idiocy. Our place is either aloof from the global conflict of the coming century, or, if we can’t go aside, in China’s allies and under its protection. Any other concept, no matter from which it comes, comes either from people who are captivated by illusions, or from those who hope to build an “Anti-Chinese wall” from Russian corpses.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 17 July 2013 14: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Dober
        Any large-scale conflict with China for us it's just suicide. Without options.

        And for China? Do you consider this option?
        And the whole world will calmly watch how China grows in Siberia?
        If 150 million people lived in China, would you be afraid of them too? For nuclear weapons, the more people the better! Higher Efficiency.
        1. Dober
          Dober 17 July 2013 16: 03 New
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          And for China? Do you consider this option?

          Actually, I live in Germany more often. But I plan to live in Russia, and not in China. Therefore, I do not care about the Chinese by and large. For example, you personally don’t care (if you have to face the Chinese in a full-scale war), who will "grow Siberia" there after the end of hostilities? Certainly not Russia.
          Quote: ATATA
          For nuclear weapons, the more people the better! Higher Efficiency.

          These words should be written on all banners and banners along the entire Russian-Chinese border. With the signature of Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov ...
          And declare it publicly to all media. And so that everyone understands, without any reservations and discrepancies there.
          Quote: ATATA
          If 150 million people lived in China, would you be afraid of them too?

          From birth, living in Russia / the USSR I heard such a saying: “If it weren’t for“ WOULD, mushrooms would grow ”.
          There is fear, but there is caution and the ability to anticipate and prepare. And that is a solid U-U-U-kharst. The legacy of the USSR. Somewhere it helps, but in this case it fails. hi
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 17 July 2013 16: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Dober
            Actually, I live in Germany more often. But I plan to live in Russia, not in China

            You see, what a thing theoretically the probability of a war between the Russian Federation and China, or the Russian Federation and NATO is approximately the same (and you live in Germany !!!). But there will be no winners in any of these wars. And banners are not needed here.
            They warn about serious things in a whisper, in your ear ...
            Why refuse our "partners" of rationality.
            Everything can be bought for money.
            1. Dober
              Dober 17 July 2013 16: 58 New
              +2
              I live with my family in Germany, rent a small house with my family, but I have Russian citizenship and passport. And housing in Russia too. And dangling across Europe from Sweden to Spain, I have never heard talk of a "trip to Russia." They are fed up with this.
              I have said and continue to say that NATO is more needed by the Judeoamers than ordinary Europeans. Believe me, there are so many "hemorrhoids" without the upcoming open war with anyone else. A sort of dog for barking at uncomfortable interlocutors. And NATO will be happy to see how the Chinese people mate with the Russians. Or vice versa.
              I repeat There is no doubt that in the next century we will witness a grandiose battle for world domination between the two most ancient and distinctive peoples, where the Chinese themselves will be “played” mainly by the Chinese themselves, and by all the people of the West and partly the South ( for example, Turks), and a relatively independent role can be preserved, perhaps only by the Indians. The craze of recent years for geopolitics cannot hide the fact that geopolitics is only a projection of ethnopolitics onto a geographical map. Our example confirms this as well as possible.

              The matter is complicated by the fact that both great nations, both Jews and Chinese, are equally profoundly - at the level of religious dogma - infected with messianism, so that any compromise is a priori excluded by their national mentality. Confucius once said: "The day will come and China will conquer the whole world without war." The Old Testament prophets promised even the same thing to Jews. The time comes when both these promises must in the merciless struggle of the Jewish West and the Chinese East confirm their truth or "untruth." There will be only one winner. And the vanquished may not remain at all.
              Question:
              - Not so long ago, Russians with their bodies have already blocked the Jews from their worst enemy in the West? Hitler's Nazism. It cost us millions of lives. Repeat the same in the East?

              - Yes. Not. (Underline whatever applicable.)

              But is it really bad to prepare?
              Quote: ATATA
              They warn about serious things in a whisper, in your ear ...
              Why refuse our "partners" of rationality.
              Everything can be bought for money.

              I apologize of course, but did not understand anything. And as I thought, I’m afraid to misunderstand ... hi
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 17 July 2013 22: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Dober
                I apologize of course, but did not understand anything.

                It is unfortunate that I could not state the idea clearly.
                It meant banners about nuclear weapons at the border.
                Quote: Dober
                And as I thought, I’m afraid to misunderstand ...

                Do not be shy.
  • rekrut
    rekrut 17 July 2013 07: 21 New
    +7
    The tale is good, but there is a hint in it. There is something to think about.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 17 July 2013 07: 38 New
      +3
      Here I am talking about the same, otherwise gentlemen, the minus signers of the article before the Great Patriotic War were the same naive.
      1. Gato
        Gato 17 July 2013 13: 41 New
        0
        Quote: nemec55
        gentlemen minuscule article before the Great Patriotic were the same naive

        Since then, they must have matured a lot. laughing
      2. Dober
        Dober 17 July 2013 14: 01 New
        0
        There are already three of us. I think to catch up with others. When the "mulen soldier from China, cross the border by the river" (c). God forbid...
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 17 July 2013 17: 34 New
          +1
          Vlad Shurygin. War of Russia and China. Who will win
          Type in YouTube. I apologize for the technical inability to lay out.
          Here is another opinion.
          In fact, you should never relax.
          1. Dober
            Dober 17 July 2013 19: 44 New
            +2

            Does this mean?
            But on this page there are many links to other videos of Shurygin-

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKhqggUZkbU
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +8
    In this situation, the Chinese population in 30 minutes will be reduced to a historical minimum over the past 2000 years! Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit! hi
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 July 2013 08: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      In this situation, the Chinese population in 30 minutes will be reduced to a historical minimum over the past 2000 years! Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit!

      good drinks
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 10: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit!

      And you patient, reached the third paragraph laughing
      1. not good
        not good 17 July 2013 14: 05 New
        -1
        By the way, about the coming to the historical minimum of the population. Losses when attacking the prepared defense in average as 1: 6, if the declared mob. China’s potential is estimated at up to 400 million people. Divide by 6; we get the defenders should be about 70 million .. I wonder what kind of mobile potential Russia has today?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 July 2013 14: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Negoro
          if declared mob China’s potential is estimated at up to 400 million people. Divide by 6; we get the defenders should be about 70 million .. I wonder what kind of mobile potential Russia has today?

          Who is claimed?
          Do China have 400 million Kalash?
          1/6 You did not study at Zhukov? After the appearance of nuclear weapons, this formula is no longer relevant.
          400 million army needs to be fed, supplied, and if ....
          Have you thought your words through well?
  • awg75
    awg75 17 July 2013 07: 46 New
    +2
    nonsense ... sheer
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 July 2013 07: 58 New
    +6
    The question is, why are such articles thrown in? If there is a threat, then only the author of the article knows about this? or maybe the corresponding structures too? What does this article carry? what is the semantic load? So there is only one answer to all questions, this is the propaganda of distrust, distrust of a neighbor, an ally. You might think that if the authors of such works throw them into the people, something will change. Perhaps China will change its mind and change plans, or what? It has already been explained a thousand times that China has no benefit in attacking Russia in the foreseeable period, but there is no super "smart", "informed" "patriot" who imposes an imaginary threat on everyone. Why are such truth-seekers called for mistrust of the authorities? Like, look, I’m revealing to you a secret that the authorities do not see or do not want to see. Honestly got it. It is not clear at all why such materials are being sent to the site.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 July 2013 08: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is not clear at all why such materials are sent to the site.

      But I understand. And you yourself have already answered.
      Quote: vladsolo56
      this is propaganda of distrust, distrust of a neighbor, an ally.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 17 July 2013 09: 13 New
        0
        I meant the administration, the moderators, why they skip this.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 July 2013 22: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Honestly got it. It is not clear at all why such materials are being sent to the site.

      I agree with your post on 300%.
      I would like to express my opinion about the question you asked. Different articles are needed, including those that excite the minds, evoke strong emotions, make you argue, defend (reasonably!) Your point of view. Otherwise, it will not be a live forum of military enthusiasts, but an "English" club of admirers of Her Majesty. It seems to me somehow. IMHO.
  • Igarr
    Igarr 17 July 2013 08: 01 New
    +2
    But is it worth reading further after this - ".. That June 22, 1941, the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock for several days lost the ability to meaningful actions, - an obvious fact .. "!!!! The fact is obvious ?? to whom is obvious? To the author?
    .
    The journal of visits to Stalin’s office suggests otherwise.
    Zhukov, in a hurry, composed Directive No. 3.
    And all this is June 22nd.
    ..
    With such imagination, without straining, it is possible to coordinate the Afghan Taliban, the Amirs of the Caucasus Caliphate of various sizes, the Emirs of the Crimean Bekstvo, which are the Thread of the Great Romanians, the Estonian SS-mans who smashed both Das Reich and the Kantemirov Division equally successfully. Finnish fellows who want revenge in 1940.
    What is the author, the poor Chinese are fighting alone?
    It does not happen.
    At only the USSR has always fought alone.
    .
    Unconvincing.
    ..
    So let's see what will be done after the current BBO exercises, under the control of GDP.
    And - begin to fantasize in a new way.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 17 July 2013 08: 39 New
      +3
      Yes guys, I’ll correct myself.
      This statement - "..This is only the USSR has always fought alone." - let's just say so, not completely true.
      .. And the most important thing ... in this 22.06 2.0 ...
      China, it seems, will not even need to fight.
      It’s enough to combine. What the Chinese are very good at doing.
      ..
      A year ago, in the summer, in July-August, there was an article here - 330 sq km of disputed territories with China. Just somewhere, if my memory serves me right,
      on the border of Tuva and China.
      Our ... guarantors ... declared that a commission would be created to resolve border issues.
      The commission was probably created. But, the results of her activities - I have not seen.
      Maybe someone from the members of the forum will tell you - what is still with this disputed territory?
      And, suggests some nasty feeling that ours .. just took and presented - 300 square meters. km .. to the Chinese. To make the bridgehead more comfortable.
      .
      Putin rolls officials in the Far Eastern Federal District - do not work. Of course they don’t work.
      Officials do not work. The military - do not fight. Diplomats - not diplomats.
      But what about the border guards?
      .
      With our ... figures ... the Chinese do not need to fight. Buying is easier. Or just ask.
      Convincingly ask.
      To make an offer that the bureaucrat will not be able to refuse.
      And all business.
  • hunting
    hunting 17 July 2013 08: 06 New
    +1
    in one of its divisions they capture Yakutsk, Astana and Ulan Bator.
    tongue They won’t reach Yakutsk, but they will crush mosquitoes
  • valmer
    valmer 17 July 2013 08: 11 New
    +3
    This scenario has been several years old. Appears regularly on various sites. but there’s the other side of the moon, I’ve found an article about why China will NEVER attack Russia, those who wish can google it, maybe somewhere else.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 17 July 2013 08: 26 New
    +1
    author provocateur of course. For the entire 20 centuries, the Chinese have not made a single attack on their neighbors (there were border conflicts, but were settled immediately), and this despite the most difficult demographic (overpopulation) situation in China; while Israel and the states are waging endless wars for the seizure of resources; that's about whom you should write similar articles
  • shark
    shark 17 July 2013 08: 30 New
    +5
    In 41, they also laughed at those who predicted the German attack. They called them defeatists and whoopers. Perhaps there are inaccuracies in the details, but I think the course of events is quite real. We should not laugh, but prepare. Completely exclude all the little things like “substations on the territory of the consulate” keep tension intelligence and counterintelligence. If we are touched by world peace, it will be so. And for some reason, in the scenario of the end of the war, where not a small amount of money is transferred to the leadership, I have no doubts. To the author, plus. Not for truthfulness, but for reminder to keep gunpowder dry.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 July 2013 09: 15 New
      +1
      Well, you read the article, and began to prepare, list your actions? how exactly did you personally begin to prepare?
      1. shark
        shark 17 July 2013 10: 37 New
        +2
        It would probably be wrong to prepare by reading the article. I didn’t put it exactly. We shouldn’t “relax” to keep our armed forces in a constant tone.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 17 July 2013 12: 52 New
          +1
          Well then tell me personally or it depends on me, the article is then offered to us and you, for what? what is its meaning?
          1. shark
            shark 17 July 2013 13: 06 New
            0
            It’s absolutely useless for you and me. It’s really a scarecrow for the average person and a source of great joy for the bogs. Although, as an analyst in the style of fantasy ... By the way, maybe someone from the power holding will accidentally wander ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 July 2013 23: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: shark
      .Do not laugh, but prepare

      In my opinion, the leadership does so. But there is such a thing as priority for solving problems and a reserve for solving suddenly arising tasks. This is the basics of management.
      I would be the first to reproach the Supreme if everything had been done on the threatened areas, and the Far East and relations with the PRC had not been given due attention with the latter's openly unfriendly behavior.
      But while the assessment of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-political leadership of the country, having all the data and expert opinions on this issue, speaks of the need to solve the problem of repelling an aerospace attack by staff in the expectation of a disarming strike against us. And here is a clear priority!
      Means, production capacities, labor resources, science - everything is aimed at solving this problem. Since the plans are made up, the scenarios are worked out at KSHU (computer games), the statements of politicians are available, political unions are ready ...
      Why should we not take this into account, but prepare for war with a neighbor who offers friendship and support against an attacker, counting on mutual understanding and our help in solving common problems.
      And that gunpowder needs to be kept dry and the armed forces are ready - this is understandable to the amateur.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 17 July 2013 08: 30 New
    +2
    An article from the field of "vacant spherical horses": in this situation, NATO (and not only NATO) will be interested in dragging out the active phase of the conflict and maximizing the attrition of the participants (recall WWII). Then they will clean both of them, and China, most likely, with a massive nuclear strike ... And the dreams of the world backstage (whether it exists or not) about Russian resources and the global domination of the West will come true ...
    China is unlikely to agree to such a scenario. fool
    Author alarmist or provocateur!
    IMHO
  • _Igor_
    _Igor_ 17 July 2013 08: 35 New
    +1
    if you have an opinion write, justify, prove, and unsubscribe like
    nonsense ... sheer
    and there is delirium

    to deny the possibility described in the article is nonsense. first of all, no one says that China will attack us, no one says that we should deliver a preventive strike, but to strengthen the Armed Forces beyond the Urals and not even lead to the temptation of our neighbor with thoughts about the possibility of spoiling such a piece, and please do not forget about the Chinese people living in this area are legally and illegally with such temps soon and there is no need to capture anything (in the past 20 years how many have settled, and now figure out after 20 how many there will be)

    Threat for cheers patriotism and hatred, we have repeatedly paid blood and not small, maybe it's time to grow wiser and create at least some conclusions .........
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 17 July 2013 08: 40 New
    +6
    I can connect the rare idiocy of the article only with the author's depressive psychosis. For the destruction of China as a battle-worthy country, a few strikes on 4 key facilities are enough. Moreover, 2 of them for objects that do not have military significance. In addition, the military doctrine of Russia was not in vain changed. It now has a wonderful article about the possibility of using nuclear weapons for any facts of aggression against Russia, including the use of nuclear weapons in its territory. In this scenario, the war will really end within a couple of days .... the complete cessation of the existence of China as a state of at least some interest to anyone. China knows this very well, which is why it does not shy much.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 17 July 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    Russia is in the traditional New Year's suspended animation.

    ... as I understand it, the author suggested introducing "DRY LAW" in the days of various celebrations (so as not to be in a state of suspended animation)! Originally ... but very risky ... for the author! Or maybe he didn’t bite those mushrooms when he sat down to write this article ... It is difficult to name this author’s little objective work otherwise. In order to draw such conclusions for such a scenario, it is necessary to allow only war by conventional means, without WMD, including nuclear weapons. And this is nonsense ... Do not forget the difference in military potentials, where the obvious superiority in manpower is compensated by our Strategic Missile Forces and missile defense and NWF (located mainly not on D. Vostok). And to start a war, having prepared it in 24 minutes is impossible, for this you need at least ... that, at the current level of intelligence, both technical and undercover, it is successfully revealed ... But these are common truths.
    The article is naive ... BUT THINKING ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS MAINTAINS! And oddly enough, not at all on the emphasis that the author did!
    In these minibuses on the empty Amursky Boulevard, after 5 minutes they reach the station and capture it, immediately cutting, thus, the Trans-Siberian Railway. Another part of the landing turns off Amursky Boulevard on Serysheva Street, capturing the headquarters of the BBO located there.

    Just like in 1968 during the Dnepr operation, by “forcing” Czechoslovakia to live in socialism. But only the Czechs had one piece of iron, and in addition to TRANSIB, we also have BAM. He was built for this ...
  • t-95
    t-95 17 July 2013 08: 43 New
    +5
    All the same, the author achieved it. Article is discussed, 1. I do not agree about our leaders vacationing everywhere and always 2. Then someone wrote that in the war with Georgia, one was resting, the second was sleeping, and no one knew what to do. Well, that's just the war ended on the 5th day. Apparently the Georgians were offended, they attacked, and the leaders of Russia are resting, they do not pay attention to them. 3. I understand that many people live in China, but present-day China is far from China under Mao. 4. Yes, and I dare to recall that our nuclear potential is still many times greater than Chinese.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 17 July 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    . "The Chinese have not made a single attack on their neighbors in the past 20 centuries (there were cross-border conflicts, but they were settled immediately), and this despite the most difficult demographic (overpopulation) situation in China;" Damansky Island to remind you, or the border guards who died during the REFLECTION OF THE ATTACK ON THE USSR, we recall only on May 28, and on August 2, on the day of the Airborne Forces, what do we remember .....
    The topic is serious and it is! Of course, it cannot be solved on the site. But the border area with China has never been calm. Who says: Friendship lies, there is no friendship, there is coexistence! hi
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 July 2013 23: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neon
      , and 2 on August-the day of the Airborne Forces that we recall .....

      Much to remember! Including how in the 1968 year the 6 airborne divisions were raised by alarm, loaded on BTA planes and for several hours Mao did not know where they were landing. Our diplomats said that when they reported this to him, the great helmsman shook his lower lip. The USSR only threatened to use the Airborne Forces forced the enemy to stop provocations and withdraw forces from the border. Yes, there was a volley of the Grad division, they say every 10 of those who fled was shot. But only our airborne forces could frighten the country's leader to hiccups. This is what we recall.
      And also the guys from the 106 company of the Pskov Airborne Division, where I played Zarnitsa as a kid ...
      So don’t worry about it: the Airborne Forces have a glorious history, and the people will have what’s most important, WHO to remember on 2 of August.
      "Heroes and their exploits do not die - they live in the hearts of descendants."
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 17 July 2013 08: 54 New
    0
    I would like everyone to read on this thread:see http://www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/8005/73/
  • lawyer
    lawyer 17 July 2013 08: 59 New
    +3
    The article is normal, you all attacked the author, maybe something turned the wrong way and you can read it, I just think the Chinese can’t cope with our units so quickly, although there are a lot of them, the Germans took 8 hours to take the Brest Fortress and how much it cost , and in Siberia there are also many cities and they still need to be surrounded and taken, I think the residents will not sit back and wait for the slanting to come to them. soldier
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 17 July 2013 09: 04 New
      +1
      Personally, I’ll go to the location of the 55th Marine Division (now the brigade, xs under what number) I will ask for an assault rifle and sit in the window of my skyscraper, taking into account the relief in our Vladik - squint-eyed.

      The main thing is to have time to send his wife and son to the West of Russia
    2. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey 17 July 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Slanting is already here in every city in the Far East, look out the window. There are a lot of them in Magadan, we have a small village and there are 30 of them.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 17 July 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Khramchikhin generally loves to exaggerate, but our General Staff calculates all the possible options for attacking RUSSIA.
    The script KHRAMCHIKHIN does not stand up to criticism; I wanted to listen to the opinion of officers of the General Staff of Russia.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 17 July 2013 13: 43 New
      +2
      Lech from ZATULINKI

      Quote:
      "... however, our general staff calculates all possible options for an attack on RUSSIA."

      Are you sure about that?
  • Nitup
    Nitup 17 July 2013 09: 10 New
    +8
    I saw a picture of China and did not even read. Checked. Indeed, Khramchikhin. He always has the USA white and fluffy, and the evil China is about to attack us. Personally, it seems to me that Khramchikhin’s office is an NGO that receives American money and works in their interests.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 17 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    Temple Chi-Hin so in my opinion a drug dealer and did not change)))
    And even if it is not original, copy paste and that's all)))
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 17 July 2013 11: 20 New
      -2
      “Do not shoot the pianist: he plays as he can ...” Khramchikhin only warns. And warned - means armed ...
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 17 July 2013 11: 48 New
        +2
        Whom does he warn housewives?
        So let them scare them. There is common sense for everything else
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 17 July 2013 09: 18 New
    -1
    This video shows that the Chinese can shoot shells even without the use of guns. It turns out that the Chinese artillery only need boxes with shells, which means that they are very mobile and inconspicuous.

    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 17 July 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      They never hit the target. All side by side.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      It turns out that the Chinese artillery only need boxes with shells, which means that they are very mobile and inconspicuous.

      Defend your dissertation on guns no longer needed. laughing
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 17 July 2013 13: 25 New
        0
        All right, terrorists from all over the world thank the Chinese for the idea
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 July 2013 01: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky
      the Chinese can shoot shells even without the use of guns.

      You will not believe: and clear roads without mine trawls! I, a young officer at that time, was personally struck by the message that during the invasion of Vietnam, a company of Chinese infantry marched in front of the tanks (always in the leg!). The Vietnamese, as expected, mined roads. The Chinese marching ahead of the tanks exploded with enviable regularity on these mines. But, collecting the dead and wounded, the company again lined up in front of the tank and continued to move ...
      Such a fanatical and disciplined Chinese soldier was in 1979. What has changed since then in the education of the military if they still consider Mao Zedong the greatest leader of the Chinese people.
      And here, even Khramchikhins who did not smell the gunpowder, may publicly doubt the honesty of the country's leadership and transparently hint at its venality ...
      Well, he himself would have remained of this opinion, so he is trying to convince us that this is so. And who is he after all this, if not an agent of Western intelligence services. I mean the "agent of influence", which corrupts the defense consciousness of the population with its own inventions. So rightly Putin said: not 37 year now. That's just who cares about the moral and psychological preparation of the Armed Forces and the people to defend the homeland.
  • regdan
    regdan 17 July 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    "AAA, we will lose. We are not ready for war. They will beat us." Often I hear and read such words. But I never heard the answer to my question asked. "Are those ready to attack Russia to die?"
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 17 July 2013 09: 26 New
    +6
    Well done guys such discussion recently there was not a single article. the problem is it is serious and to think that it is not stupid. And what is the truth now there are multiple launch rocket systems with a range of 400 km almost like Iskander’s.
  • regdan
    regdan 17 July 2013 09: 30 New
    +3
    The fact that on June 22, 1941 the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and for several days lost the ability to take meaningful actions is an obvious fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this state of affairs greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war.

    Well, here the author lies. I read German letters about the first day of the war. They wrote about the horror that awaits them in the USSR. These poor fellows wrote so we got to hell.
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 17 July 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    Cool tale. But Baikal freezes only on January 9th.
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 22 July 2013 12: 02 New
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      Quote: MuadDib
      9 in January.

      More often in late January, early February.
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 17 July 2013 09: 50 New
    +3
    Stupid article. Minus and only minus, author.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 July 2013 10: 03 New
    +7
    If you come up to a person and say: “Bro sell me oil and gas!” And he answers you: “No problem, here’s a bargain price for you, let's be friends at all!”, Then why beat him on the head with a bat to the delight of someone sitting on the other The man in the striped hat? The top leadership of the PRC has never been seen at the door of the madhouse, unlike the domestic or American customers who have regular discounts there. I don’t even know that the Chinese would venture out on the coast of Vladivostok Godzilla or the aliens will finally arrive. Yes, let's be honest if China wants it to destroy us, they know it and we know it at heart. But even so, what will it get? Destroyed infrastructure and vast forests, even in the present deplorable state, Russia will poke the Chinese under the dagger’s rib, and if Russia bends sooner, then China will bleed first, and then sweat will fall off beside it, and then the wildest erotic dreams of the USA and Europe will come, about which they didn’t even dare chtat. Do you think the CCP wants to make the dreams of our foreign "friends" a reality? What the hell are they for? They would rather just sit on the banks of the river along Confucius and wait for the corpse of their enemy to pass by. And looking at the US throwing, it’s quite possible that they’re already close to that river.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      So that the Chinese would start such an adventure, I don’t even know, rather Godzilla will crawl out on the coast of Vladivostok or the aliens will finally arrive

      laughing +++++++++++
      good
  • Alexander borey
    Alexander borey 17 July 2013 10: 05 New
    +7
    The author has long been frightening in his articles with the “Chinese threat.” This is already a distinctive feature. China is much easier to destroy nuclear weapons than Russia because of the high population density and infrastructure facilities, including and a military one. A minor attack on China will bring huge losses to the PRC, and for the United States it will untie their hands and they will finish off China by accusing them of aggression, thereby eliminating the main enemy in the Asia-Pacific region. In China, a huge number of chemical and other harmful enterprises, dams, destruction of power plants will entail terrible losses and disasters in China. Radiation, soil and water pollution, the lack of electricity in China will cause even greater losses than directly from a nuclear strike. Panic and epidemics will begin, the Chinese will be demoralized. Destroying key facilities of China, the PLA occupation forces in Russia they will be bloodless left without logistical support and communication with the Center. It is quite likely that there will be no need to even engage in battle with them - the Chinese troops capitulate first. Our forces, including and nuclear scattered across vast territory, which makes it much harder to destroy them, and the Chinese, on the contrary, are concentrated on a limited territory. An ideal target. I think Russia will not pull until February: China will be destroyed and crushed within a day or two. After that, unconditional surrender if there is anyone else to capitulate. It’s also not worthwhile to think that Russia will not dare to use nuclear weapons. It will also dare. Here we have a complete advantage. The salvo of all missiles from the SSBN alone will bring down all of China in the Stone Age, or even further. Not to mention the rest Russia's nuclear forces. A retaliatory strike will not achieve the desired result, their technology is still damp, and if Russia at the beginning could have limited itself to a local nuclear strike against China, then after a retaliatory strike against Russia, we will bring down all our power in China. The USA and NATO Moscow will support this. It’s not out of spiritual kindness, it’s China like a bone in their throat. Washington, Brussels and Tokyo will be much nicer to look at the smoking ruins of China, than its current industrial power. The victory will undoubtedly be with Russia, although focal losses are not excluded, but they will not be as catastrophic as in China. Comrade Khramchikhin, you need to write books on a post-apocalyptic topic. Your article does not withstand serious criticism, but as a one-day the horror story will do.
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 17 July 2013 10: 18 New
      +2
      I absolutely agree with you! with a massive PLA invasion, the question of the use of nuclear weapons against the PRC will arise within the first 2-4 days.

      and then our government will be tested for lice. to merge DV or "at random". If it merges, it will not remain such a power for long, and “chance” will give the Chinese 100% cap.

      The Chinese understand this and no one will open the Pandora's box. The maximum is a pen test in cross-border conflicts like Damansky, in order to test the resolve of our military-political leadership.

      But in the current strategic partnership, this is unthinkable. Yes, and there was such a cross-border conflict - recent BBO exercises have shown that at the very least, in a threatened period, we can show our teeth. And who gets to beat the Russians who are waiting for a strike? No such boobs
      1. Alexander borey
        Alexander borey 17 July 2013 12: 27 New
        +1
        We should also mention the terrible fires that will occur in China after a devastating nuclear strike, and will rage for several months, as well as nuclear torpedoes that can wash the whole coastal infrastructure of the PRC to hell with the population and the fleet. In this scenario, the huge population of China will lose relevance , on the contrary, it will play against the Chinese themselves. Mass intestinal infections, desinteria, typhoid and other “bouquets” will overwhelm China, which has already been destroyed. Panic and confusion will be everywhere, the Chinese population will disengage from their authorities and will rush in agony. bookers, too, will not sit for a long time, as soon as the supplies run out - everyone will die. There is also an outbreak of cannibalism and massacres among the Chinese population for food, water and even such things as matches, medicines, essentials and other things in China against this background. The leadership of the PRC is not stupid and will not take such a suicidal step as an attack on Russia. In this case, the PRC will become a rogue country, in complete isolation and military blockade on all sides. The Chinese have no allies in the world except Russia, and Mr. Khramchikhin is only cloned one of his previous phantasmagoric publications, absolutely not taking into account the strategic balance of forces and the geopolitical situation in the world. Of course, it makes no sense to fight the Chinese with conventional forces and weapons, I remind Mr. Khramchikhin that Russia's strategic nuclear forces are the foundation of the Russian armed forces and a guarantor of security, independence and integrity of our country. We have the right, according to the Military Doctrine, to use nuclear weapons first, we should not forget this either. We will do this if necessary. But it is necessary to revive the INF Treaty, and without delay. Not because of China, of course, but in general.
        1. Alexander borey
          Alexander borey 17 July 2013 13: 44 New
          +1
          Expert: China has no chance in a hypothetical nuclear war with Russia. Short and clear.
          http://warfiles.ru/34981-ekspert-u-kitaya-net-shansov-v-gipoteticheskoy-yadernoy
          -voyne-s-rossiey.html
  • Sobol
    Sobol 17 July 2013 10: 10 New
    +2
    And I liked Sergey Anisimov's “Option Bis” more!
  • 1536
    1536 17 July 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    I will quote from the statements of I.V. Stalin: Russia "was beaten by everyone - for the backwardness of the military, for the backwardness of the cultural, for the backwardness of the state, for the backwardness of the industry, for the backwardness of the agricultural. They beat us because it was profitable and went unpunished. Remember the words of the pre-revolutionary poet:" You and the poor "You are abundant, you are powerful, you are powerless, Mother Russia."
    The above article, of course, causes laughter. We are already used to laughing at ourselves, feeling who is our strength, who is hopeless from what is happening, who is simply because laughing at our country today is a kind of state policy that has been pushed by the media for many years. Yes, and we are not so backward today. But it seems to me that the Chinese, and everyone else, do not attack us today, not because they fear us or respect us, but simply because they don’t want to. Those who want, claiming that "the Russians alone will not control the wealth of Siberia," etc. statements today on the second or third roles in politics.
  • d_trader
    d_trader 17 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +3
    The article is the sweet dream of a liberalist.
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 17 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +2
    Rave. A maximum of 24 hours after the outbreak of such a war, especially if everything develops according to the worst-case scenario for Russia, will be followed by a massive nuclear strike against China. And then the Chinese military campaign will lose all meaning due to the fact that possible trophies will not pay for the losses incurred.
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 17 July 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    Looks like a Hollywood movie script laughing
  • HF
    HF 17 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +1
    FULL Crap!