What could be 22 Jun 2.0

The fact that the top Soviet leadership experienced 22 in June 1941 of the year experienced a strong shock and lost its ability to act meaningfully for several days is a fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this situation greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war. However, then the Soviet leaders still came to their senses and began to act. The strongest of these actions was the evacuation of industry to the east. That was the first step to the collapse of the German campaign. It was possible to form the Red Army "second convocation", and then the "third convocation." And in the end, to win what at first was so hopelessly lost.

Today, however, something else is more interesting: how would the present Russian leadership behave in a similar situation? After all, it does not follow from anything that such cannot take shape. Moreover, in what is happening today, there is much in common with the events of 1939 – 41, when the enemy was quite openly preparing for aggression against us, and we were fraternizing with us, confident that they were protected by pieces of contracts.
So how can 22 Jun 2.0 be?

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20 has just arrived ... year. Russia is in the traditional New Year anabiosis. It is late evening 2 in Moscow in January, in the Far East the next morning, in Siberia - deep night.

At 4 in the morning hours of January 3 local time, two dozen Mi-17 helicopters with Chinese special forces on board at extremely low altitudes, not detected by anyone, cover the distance from the border in Fuyuan to Khabarovsk in a few minutes and land at the them. Lenin, where there is a lot of empty open space. By a surprising coincidence, it is in this very place in a very unpresentable building that the PRC consulate in Khabarovsk is located. It also acts as a point for assault landing, at the same time providing illumination of the landing site using spotlights on the roof of the consulate itself and from the football arena (the electrical substation is surprisingly located in the visa department of the consulate). At the landing site, commandos immediately receive transport — minibuses standing in numerous garages near the back wall of the consulate, and also openly in its yard. On these minibuses along the empty Amur Boulevard, they reach the train station in 5 minutes and immediately seize it, thus immediately cutting Transsib. The other part of the assault forces turns from Amursky Boulevard to Serysheva Street, capturing the VBO headquarters located there. After that, the city begins shooting of the leadership of the SBI and the Far Eastern Federal District (a tip to the right addresses is provided by the consulate workers and representatives of the local Chinese diaspora).

After receiving at the headquarters of the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) a message about the success of the operation in Pain (this will now be the name of Khabarovsk), WS-2D MLRS begin to work from the depths of Chinese territory, the fire of which is adjusted drones. After working for about half an hour, they completely “plow into the ground” all the objects of the RF Armed Forces (about three dozen brigades of ground forces, air bases and regiments of the Air Force and Air Defense) in the Amur and Jewish Autonomous Regions, Zabaikalsky, Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories. All ships and submarines of the Pacific Fleet based in Vladivostok are also sent to the bottom. The firing range of the Chinese MLRS is quite enough for this (up to 400 km), especially since most of the objects being destroyed are located in close proximity to the border.

At the same time, the Chinese “Second Artillery” (analogue of the Strategic Missile Forces) and the Air Force deliver a massive strike using airplanes, ballistic and cruise missiles, as well as combat drones to the missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces in Irkutsk, Uzhur, Barnaul and Novosibirsk, at the same air defense targets and ground forces regions and in Buryatia. At the same time, the PLA Navy aircraft carrier compound inflicts a massive air and missile attack on Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Vilyuchinsk, after which the landing of the naval assault begins.

Two or three hours after the start of the operation (deep night at night in Moscow), the reserve divisions of the PLA, concentrated in advance along the border under the pretext of the exercises, cross the ice of Amur and Ussuri at hundreds of sites simultaneously. These parts and connections are equipped with old equipment and are staffed by poorly trained personnel, but there is no one to resist them. The command and command of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation and its main forces were destroyed by a sudden blow, rare centers of resistance were quickly suppressed by the mass of Chinese troops. The main opponents of the PLA are the weather and distances, but this is not a problem for the Chinese command. The old and “cannon fodder” that broke down on the Russian roads is not a pity, the main thing is that the troops successfully occupy the territory, at the same time capturing the security bases of the armed forces of the Russian Federation conveniently located in full safety.

The PLA Air Force, meanwhile, is beginning to strike at the facilities of the Air Defense Forces of Kazakhstan, and regular units of the Lanzhou Military PLA cross the border with this country and several wedges are beginning to advance into Kazakhstan. By the evening of January 3, the 15 th airborne corps of the PLA is brought into battle, one division captures Yakutsk, Astana and Ulan Bator.

In Moscow, with great difficulty, they come out of hibernation, trying to understand what is happening and what to do. However, the Chinese ambassador to Moscow is himself at the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation and officially reports that Chinese radio and TV have been transmitting for several hours: the two-hundred-year period of humiliation of the great Chinese nation by the imperialist powers has finally been completed. The nation has revived its former greatness and rejects all the unjust and unequal treaties imposed by the imperialists, primarily Russia. The ambassador does not consider it necessary to listen to babble about the “strategic partnership”.

Part of the Russian leadership is on vacation in Europe, and some of the vacationers for some reason cease to get in touch with the Kremlin and the White House. Those remaining in Moscow are aware of the monstrous reality: east of the Urals, the Russian Armed Forces in relatively combat-ready condition have one tank brigade (in the Chelyabinsk region), three motorized rifle brigades (in the Sverdlovsk and Kemerovo regions and on Sakhalin), as well as one MiG-31 interceptor air base in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. It seems that something has survived from the group in Buryatia, but the connection with the troops is extremely unstable. At the same time, there are reports of train crashes at once in several sections of the Trans-Siberian Railway along its entire length east of the Urals due to the deliberate destruction of the railway track. Thus, there is nothing to defend the eastern part of the country, there is no possibility to transfer reinforcements. In addition, the Chinese invasion of Kazakhstan poses a real threat to their exit in a few days already in the European part, in the Western Urals and in the Lower Volga. The armed forces of Kazakhstan are too small to provide real resistance, moreover, they are beheaded after the capture of Astana by the Chinese landing. Moscow is asking for help in Brussels and Washington.

Brussels promised to convene an emergency session of the NATO Council during the week. However, statements from Warsaw, Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn immediately follow that China in the 19th – 20th centuries became the same victim of Russian imperialism as Poland and the Baltic countries, therefore its actions are completely legitimate. And it’s absolutely certain that these countries will never provide military assistance to Russia in any form and the whole of NATO (where decisions are made by consensus) will not be given. In Brussels, as well as in Paris, Berlin, London, Rome, they sigh with relief: there, too, no one was going to fight for the Russians, and, in fact, nothing, but it is important that now there is someone to blame the refusal.

Nobody ever hoped for impotent European allies in Washington, they frantically try to understand whether it is necessary to help Russians alone, and if so, in what form, in what volumes and under what conditions.

Meanwhile, the Chinese "cannon fodder" is successfully advancing deep into Russia, suppressing minor centers of resistance and continuing not to pay attention to broken equipment and frostbitten soldiers. They encounter the first serious resistance in Buryatia, where part of the Russian Armed Forces grouping really survived after an air strike, moreover, through local efforts they managed to carry out at least some mobilization. The first real Russian-Buryat strike turns the Chinese reservists to flight. Alas, the happiness is short-lived, since the grouping of 16, 38, 39 and 54 army PLA ground forces, with strong air support, enters unhindered on the already captured Russian territory. These are no longer reservists, but perfectly prepared regular units, armed with the latest technology. Having quickly crushed the Russian grouping, they come to Baikal, overcome it on ice and seize Irkutsk. The road to the west is completely free for them, and in the east almost all of the inhabited Russian territory is already under the control of the PLA. Moreover, in this territory there are far more cases of collaborationism than attempts to organize resistance.

Moscow is trying to start a general mobilization, but the mobilization system has long been collapsed, many Russians, vacationing abroad, refuse to return, moreover, those who stayed in Russia are beginning to flee. Begins seriously considering the use of nuclear weapons, and not only and not so much by the advancing Chinese troops, who advanced to the outskirts of Krasnoyarsk and entered Astana already by land, as well as through enemy territory.

Here, however, events occur that decide the outcome of the war. Russian (as well as, of course, American) reconnaissance satellites suddenly discover in the central part of China more than 800 mobile launchers of ICBMs and MRBDs. Some of them have already been installed in the combat position, some are in the stowed position. After a few hours of rockets, there are already more than a thousand, and the location of many of them has changed. After a few more hours, the missiles become over one and a half thousand. After that, the Chinese media officially declares that the leadership of China no longer considers it necessary to hide the size of its nuclear missile arsenal: these are 745 MBR and 1256 MRBD, while the total number of nuclear charges of various classes is 8,5 thousand units.
Although some analysts in Moscow and Washington say that a significant part of the launched missiles may actually be layouts, others object that layouts are unlikely to be so mobile and that conversations about the system of caves and tunnels, where Chinese missiles are hiding, turned out to be true . Most importantly, no one has the slightest desire to check the version of the layouts in practice.

Washington finally washes its hands, officially declaring non-intervention in the war. Moscow understands that now even mutual guaranteed destruction will not work. Destruction will indeed be guaranteed, but, alas, not mutual. China will survive the deaths of several tens of millions of people, he in his stories and not so worried. Russia, on the other hand, has no chance of survival. Moscow agrees to negotiations with Beijing and, consequently, to its terms.

The peace treaty is signed on February 23 in Boli, in a building where VBO headquarters were located just two months earlier. The official border between the PRC and the Russian Federation is restored in accordance with the Nerchinsky Treaty of 1689 of the year and the Kyakhta Treaty of 1727 of the year. Most of the Trans-Baikal and Khabarovsk Territories, the Amur Region, the Primorsky Territory and the island of Kuedao (now known as Sakhalin), as well as the Republic of Tyva, go to China. The South Kuriles return to Japan (Beijing has always fully supported Tokyo on the Kuril problem). The rest of the territory of the Russian Federation east of the Yenisei is transferred to China for an indefinite lease for 10 billion dollars a year. At the same time, in the closed part of the contract it is stipulated that a similar amount is annually transferred to the personal accounts of several top managers of the Russian Federation. The territory between the Urals and the Yenisei remains under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, but is declared completely demilitarized, neither Russian, nor Chinese troops, nor, even more so, third-country troops can be deployed here. In this territory, citizens of the People's Republic of China receive the same rights as citizens of the Russian Federation, including in terms of residence and employment. Similar rights are obtained by the Chinese in Kazakhstan. This country refuses the presence of armed forces and gives permission to host the “limited contingent” of the PLA. CSTO, Customs and Eurasian unions are declared dissolved. Mongolia finally and permanently returns to China.

NATO and the UN officially declare that they are satisfied with such a quick and peaceful resolution of the conflict. At the Pentagon, the generals and admirals are in frank delight: now the money will flow to them, because it is necessary to restrain the colossally strengthened China.

Comments

[Alexander Romanov]

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!

[smel]

I will neither evaluate nor comment on this horror story. But it's still worth reading it all carefully. This is just one (albeit utopian) scenario. Remember 08.08.08 - where did the country's leadership amuse itself that day and what was the General Staff doing? Remember the winter holidays of 2007, when "unexpectedly" two top officials of the state met on the ski slopes of Krasnaya Polyana, and the first military figure at the same time was skiing in the South Urals.
So much is possible with us.
Yes, and not to argue ... In the mid-90s there was nothing that you are trying to tell. It was much earlier, at a time when there was a really great country .. Then the advancing divisions stopped 500 meters from borders. And the second, again, in order not to argue. Try to understand the term "combat potential". Then calculate the combat potential of our organizations (taking into account the shortage) and the enemy (taking into account its constant staffing), remember that all communications we have run along the border, and military organizations are in close proximity to it, and the Chinese are far from the same. Maybe then you will remove your minus to the author

[Login_Off]

Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far East :))) I also found what to choose :))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Login_Off

Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far Eastern Military District :)

Well, you can’t do it right away, you need a screwed-up plot, so that everything in a row captures everything. And why do helicopters with special forces when 15 minutes by car on ice to Khabara The author himself can’t see not from the Far East, but he could look at the Google map

[smart ass]

But I did not understand the meaning of the landing ... The meaning would be to blow up the transsib in several places) by the same landing ... much more useful

[Karabu]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In short, the author is minus you!

Putin said: “China is not a threat to Russia's security. We have been maintaining good neighborly relations for several hundred years. And over the years, we have learned to respect and understand each other. ” then China received permission to shoot the border regions of Russia
the clever one will see, but you still can’t explain the fool

[smart ass]

"Remember 08.08.08, - where did the country's leadership amuse itself on that day and what was the General Staff doing?" sii what ??? I'm sorry they all have to sit at the workplace all the time without getting out ??? How did it end? We rolled Georgia in 5 days and that's it.

[smel]

SMART
One must sit. In the same way as an NGS should sit if the Moscow Region was exhausted in its thieves' affairs. For on h.r.e.a nuclear case, all the strategic nuclear forces and the army in addition? !!!, if there is no one to make a decision. I mean, they just left me to the mercy of fate, because I want to relax all at the same time. But the case ended this way only because he was Commander-in-Chief Boldyrev, Commander of the North Caucasus Military District - S. Makarov. (not to be confused with Nemakarov), who went through a lot of things in the service, and there were still divisions. So ... sometimes it’s worth remembering the details, and categorical judgments should not be made on unfamiliar issues

[zulu_1]

China is not Georgia. The Chinese are stupid and very stubborn

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, an example was the uprising of boxers, but the real war is not a Hong Kong action movie, and as a result of the contact of the head with a stool, the first and not the second shatters

[German]

China is not Georgia! The scale is more ...

[Ross]

Quote: smel

I will not evaluate or comment on this horror story. But the whole thing to read it carefully is still worth it.

In my opinion - not just a horror story, but a harmful corrupting, aimed at suppressing the will, sabotage. That there is only an opinion about the flight of people from their country, instead of organizing resistance. This pushing of our thoughts smells very rotten.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Ross

That there is only an opinion about the flight of people from their country, instead of organizing resistance.

When conducting large-scale CSU, many factors affecting the development of the situation are taken into account. There is a territorial defense plan, in which all power and administrative structures are involved. I will not give figures (for obvious reasons), but, according to one department, not everyone will participate in the resistance. And simply "not participating" is not the worst option. There are areas of compact residence in which the organization of active resistance and sabotage is possible. Add to this the fact that a certain percentage (rather large) of "storekeepers" will not be called upon, and enterprises will not provide equipment (an even larger percentage), and you will get the big picture. This is a harsh reality, without speeches about patriotism.

[aviamed90]

IRBIS

I agree.

Moreover, while serving in the Far East, in 1992 he himself took part in a command and control department on approximately the following topic: "Air strike by adib forces against 100 thousand groups of illegal Chinese immigrants in the area of ​​Spassk-Dalny and Lake Khanka."

[Lavr75]

BTA planes have already waited 10 hours at a civilian airport, here’s your mobility, where the enemy might be during this time. I understand that not all aircraft were transferred by air, but the sediment remained.

[not good]

Yeah, as in front of 41m alarmists against the wall ... and then when it went bang ... it turns out not for nothing that the "alarmists" called out.

[UFO]

"Fools are not mammoths - they do not die out."

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Clever man

"Remember 08.08.08, - where did the country's leadership amuse itself on that day and what was the General Staff doing?" sii what ??? I'm sorry they all have to sit at the workplace all the time without getting out ??? How did it end? We rolled Georgia in 5 days and that's it.

The question is not where the leadership was - the question is whether Russia will be able to defend the Far East. The number of PLA troops in the border district alone exceeds the number of the Air Defense Forces by 2-3 times. In addition, thanks to uncontrolled migration, all objects and locations of the RF Armed Forces are known to our Chinese "friends". Not long before the Russo-Japanese War, China was already making attempts, using the peacekeepers, to squeeze Russia out of the Far East - then the leadership was tougher and the Cossacks quickly resolved the issue, but now who? There are not enough troops even to hold the border, let alone to defend the Far East!

[not good]

Under the USSR, along the border with China, the ball was a powerful defensive area, deeply echeloned, with worked-out areas of responsibility and everyone needed a reserve. Thanks to EBN, everything was dismantled and there is no alternative today ... NO.

[Theophanes]

I agree with Negoro. Remember the last clash with China. And where is the island now? After that the border was closed !!!! EBNets destroyed everything to the ground.

[77bor1973]

Even though there are no URs as such, it’s problematic to conduct a major offensive from China, this is not the European Plain, these are hills covered with forests with a minimum of infrastructure and settlements, with such a relief, the fuel tanks will end in 100 kilometers.

[3 inches.]

pedestrians will not end. and selection in the Chinese army is not comparable with ours. we are taken to reach someone and they are selected from 10 1.

[bddrus]

what is the number of troops ??? why talk about it, if, regardless of the distance in China, the human potential is 10 times more in number, at least in the border, even in the Moscow district

[Taidrem]

And that in the Second World War there was also more dofiga and there were fewer Japanese, but the Japanese quickly brought the Chinese out, the human factor is not everything.

[lelikas]

Quote: Blackgrifon

squeeze Russia out of the Far East - then the leadership was harder and the Cossacks quickly resolved the issue, and now who?

I think the battalions "East" and "West" will solve this problem.

[Lopatov]

Long disbanded

[lelikas]

Forming back is not a problem.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: lelikas

I think the battalions "East" and "West" will solve this problem.

Do you think 2 battalions will be able to solve the problem that several thousand Cossacks coped with? I have nothing against these units, but correlate the number of their possible opponents. And yet - the level of training of Cossack units before the Revolution was more than not weak, but they were not used by individual battalions in such an operation.

[lelikas]

Two battalions - 1,5 thousand people who are ready for action (well, modestly keep silent about their training) - consider the Cossacks to be families — women, children, they were resettled by whole farms.
This is not about a military operation, but rather restoring order and checking the passport regime.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: lelikas

Two battalions - 1,5 thousand people who are ready for action (well, modestly keep silent about their training) - consider the Cossacks to be families — women, children, they were resettled by whole farms.

Not quite so - the Cossacks acted as regiments and smaller units with a clear military structure, rather than families / farms.

[vladimirZ]

In 1941, some of the leaders of the USSR, just like the current leadership of Russia, had "shady moods" and belief in a "controlled situation", in the concluded international treaties.
But then the leadership of the state with a strong leader I.V. Stalin managed to form an almost 5-million army, created a powerful industry, created a large and prepared human mobilization reserve, which was the main argument for the future Victory.
And the current leadership of Russia:
- abandoning the management of the economy, destroyed the entire state industrial potential,
- under the guise of "reforming", turned the army into a "police force" to fight terrorism,
- it actually destroyed the state’s mobilization of human resources, eliminating the training of reserve officers at civilian universities of the country 20 years ago and shortening the service life of soldiers from 2 years to 1 year, which does not provide qualified training for modern soldiers.
With such a set of defensive properties, Russia will be a "tasty morsel" for potentially dangerous neighbors - China, the USA, the European Union, and Japan.
So, the option of starting a war from China is not ruled out.

[bddrus]

what reserve officers ??? what are you speaking about? I myself do not remember nichrome - I will not betray under torture. And in the army where the ordinary went, the two-year-old above us could not command right-left

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: bddrus

above us - could not command left and right

So the level of training on the VK is such (almost everywhere) that at least stand - at least drop. If you yourself are not interested, you don’t know and understand anything at all - that's what they’re taught. In principle, the VK should be reformed - they should train sergeants, not officers. And cook with high quality, and the student sergeant should have an incentive to go and serve.

We entered the VC when they were still drafted, but for half of the professions in our specialty, military service is still welcome, and somewhere is generally a prerequisite for hiring.

[starshina78]

I can add that in Soviet times, the so-called division shelves were located on the tank-dangerous sections of the Soviet-Chinese border. My classmate served as a battalion commander in one of these regiments. And he said that the regiment performs functions on the defense of a border section with a length of about 20 km. The defense consists of T - 34 buried in the ground and self-propelled guns, and each has its own sector of fire, shot to the millimeter. Now he is retired, returned home, and told how the entire defense system was destroyed, self-propelled tanks were dug up and scrapped - the Chinese are now friends. I put the article plus. I will explain why. In the USSR, there was everything related to the country's defense: there was a plan and a list of products that each plant should produce in case of war; there was a mobilization plan - according to it, each enterprise should, if it had cars and road-building equipment, provide it to mobilization points; Ways to evacuate citizens living in large cities in the countryside were developed; constantly mobilized activities in the form of exercises; at the enterprises, if located on their territory, they maintained in order all the bomb shelters assigned to each workshop; and much more that now everything is forgotten, destroyed, leased to warehouses (bomb shelters). And the scenario of the beginning of the war may well happen. The war in 1941 and now is fundamentally different. Now it can begin and end within 10 to 20 minutes. The one who starts the first wins, the second strikes a complacency. The war is understanding, as it was understood before, that is, with strikes by tank wedges, landing, artillery cannonades will be gone. It will be hit by nuclear missiles or missiles with simple explosive substances of increased power, which will be applied to destroy enemy missiles. And that’s all! And not the fact that someone will win this war. Although in order to capture the territory, there may be such a scenario. Then we will be the loser. The Chinese will not allow troops to be deployed, as they did in the last exercises, and so in the Far East we do not have many troops.

[taseka]

"Part of the Russian leadership is on vacation in Europe, and some of the vacationers for some reason stop communicating with the Kremlin and the White House." - This muck must be thought out!

[3 inches.]

and so it will be. Remember the beginning of the war in Syria.

[Tersky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

Sasha ! Here is how many people are warning but still useless:

[experienced]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

It has recently become fashionable to frighten people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels with 1812 and how NATO "rushes" to Russia with a train of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to impose on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, it has authority in the world, none of China's neighbors wants to "whet the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia, and tomorrow they will "pinch off a piece" from them too. Moreover, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and "transferring the country to a war footing", as soon as they understand that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and there is aggression, immediately after the "call", missiles will fly and China here will already act as a "beaten "...
So let the author sleep peacefully

[valokordin]

Quote: seasoned

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

It has recently become fashionable to frighten people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels with 1812 and how NATO "rushes" to Russia with a train of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to impose on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, it has authority in the world, none of China's neighbors wants to "whet the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia, and tomorrow they will "pinch off a piece" from them too. Moreover, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and "transferring the country to a war footing", as soon as they understand that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and there is aggression, immediately after the "call", missiles will fly and China here will already act as a "beaten "...
So let the author sleep peacefully

And I wish you the same, but the scenario is believable.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: valokordin

And I wish you the same, but the scenario is believable.

I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

[Gari]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

Good afternoon, I completely agree.
Although, of course, China is a problem, and not only for Russia and neighboring countries, it is developing rapidly militarily as well, and demographically there are as many as 1.500 billion there. But who counted them?
But we think in the Kremlin as in the General Staff are not fools
July 13
Units of the Eastern Military District of Russia are put on alert. On Saturday night, more than 80 thousand military personnel raised the alarm - the largest surprise audit since the time of the USSR began. The exercises involved more than a thousand units of armored vehicles, about 130 aircraft and helicopters, and dozens of ships. Military units also began to move in Kamchatka, Sakhalin, and in the Khabarovsk Territory. They face the same task - at the first stage as soon as possible to get to the places indicated in the secret packages sent from Moscow.

[Gari]

The exercises promise to be grandiose, because the Eastern Military District covers an area of ​​7 million square kilometers. It consists of 4 land armies, reconnaissance and airborne assault units, as well as the entire Pacific Fleet and naval aviation. It is here, in the area of ​​Sakhalin Island, that the training rescue of the ships that the Supreme Commander spoke about yesterday, when he announced the start of a sudden check, will take place. The eastern military district has not seen such large-scale exercises since 1991.
We can sleep peacefully, who don’t feel like they can read different fantastic books or horror films at night

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

About "everybody got drunk" - I agree this is nonsense, but the threat from China and the weakness of our army, brought to the handle by the furniture maker and Co., is a fact.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

a person who is not familiar with the system of command and control in the Russian Federation

I, too, am not familiar with the command and control system of the Russian Federation, but, for example, the "duplicate" operational duty district was canceled 8 years ago. Or is there a different "reserve" structure for command and control of the district troops in the "new look"?

[krpmlws]

A. Romanov, the author draws parallels with 41 in the article. Then, too, they were not fools, however, in the summer of 41, the USSR was on the brink of disaster.

[Setrac]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

I also liked about the loss of 10 million in nuclear exchange, and they will have only 10 million alive in half a year.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I answer simply no, not plausible. Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

Khramchikhin has one task - the propaganda of the Chinese military threat. Although the Chinese themselves prefer to conquer the world with money and not weapons. The dollar occupation of the Chinese is in full swing. Recently there was a "duck" about the invasion of Chinese divisions into Tajikistan, but even so, the Tajiks made 40% of the loans from the Chinese. They also finance the construction of roads and power plants, for which 100 Chinese workers have already entered the country (the population of Tajikistan is about 8 million people).
Since 2009, China has invested a huge amount of money in Kazakhstan (bypassing both Russia and Germany), 30% of Kazakh oil belongs to Chinese corporations, and thousands of farmers from China received plots of land "for agricultural activities." In Kyrgyzstan, neighbors from the East leased for 50 years (!) The largest iron ore deposit Zhetim-Too. Chinese restaurants grow like mushrooms in Bishkek, and the yuan in exchange offices is as readily taken as the dollar and ruble. A similar pattern of work for the Chinese has long been used in Africa. A poor country is tempted by loans, business from Beijing takes profitable contracts, politicians are tied up with bribes. Then the republic is bombarded with consumer junk and pumped out resources for cheap.
Therefore, the introduction of troops will almost certainly not be. But the emergence in the ex-republics of the USSR of financially dependent on the PRC regimes and Chinese military bases can be expected. Although the base is also optional. The influence of the Celestial Empire is now measured in money, not rockets.
China lacks its resources and the only reliable supplier is Russia, as the states are squeezing and squeezing them from other directions.
And the CIS republics act as "milking cows" that can be milked. Nobody will eat Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. What for? In Thailand, 15% of the population is already Chinese, in Malaysia - 25%, and they control 70% of the economies of the countries in which they live. We live in the XXI century - in order to seize the state, troops should not be sent there. Money is safer and much safer.
All these articles are aimed at driving a wedge between China and Russia, the blue dream of the West is the war of Russia and China! The worst thing for the West is the strategic union of China and Russia!
And the "independent" will still have to choose under whose influence they will continue to exist. Not to like Russia, let them taste the Chinese "noodles". For that fought for it and ran...

[aviamed90]

Ascetic

I think that the economic way of capturing another state does not at all deny the military method. But rather complements the first. And applied depending on the situation.
After all, there are stubborn states!

[Nick]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Such an article could be written by a person who is not familiar with the military command and control system in the Russian Federation. Like a holiday and everyone got drunk-Nonsense !!!

Absolutely right! Just on holidays, troops are being strengthened on duty. Every conscript knows this.

[Ruslan67]

[quote = Nick] Every conscript knows this.

It used to be every conscript and knew. Now

[aviamed90]

Nick

Do you think they will help us?

[3 inches.]

sorry and that does not get drunk? Or do you really think that no one here served in the army?

[Skiff]

It remains only to understand that there the author smokes at home, to deny the fact of a nuclear attack on the PRC is simply super-nonsense, the author warm guy forgot that in the last exercises the Russian troops worked out the withdrawal of troops with imitation of a nuclear bomb detonation !!! As a result, we have the right to apply just like on its territory of nuclear weapons, and on the territory of the enemy, even more so, and probably no one will want to live there in the next 200 years, no invader.

And more ... the correct koment.
From all this writing I did not understand a few things;
1 Why does China need this? They get it all without war
2 What will prevent the Russian leadership from delivering a nuclear strike? More nuclear weapons than Russia? As far as we know, there is no missile defense system in China, and 1500 nuclear weapons (I don’t think TNW at all) will destroy any country (all the more densely populated regions of China will be burned out) and no matter how much it falls on us later, it won’t make it any easier. The presence of a missile defense system in the central region will only strengthen the determination of our leadership in this matter.
Hence the conclusion
1 Article - custom provocation
2 Uncle of the author should be checked for mental sanity

[Per se.]

Quote: Skiff

1 Article - custom provocation
2 Uncle of the author should be checked for mental sanity

You shouldn’t be so. When the events at Damansky began, China knew very well that the Soviet Union was a nuclear superpower incomparably more powerful than today's capitalist Russia, with thieves and bandits in power. Of course, the author is exaggerating somewhere, but he is undoubtedly right in the main thing - there is a danger of repeating 1941 of the year! Both China and the USA are not friends to us, and such scenarios are played out so far in their staff games. In the Far East, China, and without its direct aggression, can carry out the settlement of our lands by its labor migrants, with the help of which a semblance of Serbian Kosovo, as an option of land rejection, is likely. And it’s better to blow water a hundred times here than to call this article garbage.

[XPEHOB BOBA]

Fuck you dibilok, everyone on the site knows what you are giving a point, and suffer from dementia, but still there, about the Damascus cord the weak-minded you still reason with the inflamed remnant of the brain and stop substituting your point, half-wit ...

[tooth46]

Fucking Vova, it's not good to be rude. The "indestructible and legendary" army of the USSR is left in an irrevocable past. Russia will never have such an Army for reasons known to you. Think about the article Per se, this is one of the possible scenarios of highly probable events. At the time of Damansky and China was completely different. So don't bark the thinking person.

[Per se.]

Quote: zub46

Think about the article Per se, this is one of the possible options for the development of highly probable events.

I apologize, the article is not mine, but as for the commentary, he understands everything perfectly, simply, it’s someone’s clone and Troll, he only pretends to be half-witted, a point preoccupied.

[aviamed90]

Per se

I agree.

This fact once again confirms that all problems with the help of nuclear weapons are not solved.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Per se.

When the events on Damansky began,

For a long time, friends from Ying-Yaz brought a translated Chinese article about the events in Damansky (they translated it themselves), and so - there the Chinese themselves write that Mao was not going to unleash a big war, his goal was to show his teeth, they say China is not yours Soviet republics ", he may have his own" tough position ", also in this way Mao wanted to speed up the signing of the border treaty with the USSR, which was signed soon after. Here is a brief summary of the article. By the way, it was written by the Chinese for the Chinese ... So I will say that the author of the article exaggerates very much ...

[3 inches.]

who will interfere? Yes, even if there is no leader capable of making such a decision. And for China, the loss of 10-30 million is not critical. Moreover, there will be such an occasion to complain about the bloodthirstiness of Russians. In the West, they will gladly support this cry.

[Onotollah]

Quote: 3 inches.

loss of 10-30 million

When a nuclear strike is launched on the southern coastal territories where the main population is concentrated, the bill will go to hundreds of millions.
In addition to these, these areas will become unsuitable for living and food production. And this is the main breadbasket of China. Mega Chernobyl.
Hunger and radiation are not very frail problems.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: seasoned

It has become fashionable recently to scare people with horror stories

By the way, Lech, I already read this nonsense on one of the Saitovs, like this article of plagiarism type, only a little redone with an addition. Although I can be wrong, there are a lot of people writing about the Chinese threat today, one over the other in the options for capturing the Far Eastern Military District headquarters

[experienced]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I already read this nonsense on one of the Saitovs, like this article of plagiarism type, only slightly redone with an addition. Although I can be mistaken, there are a lot of people writing about the Chinese threat today, one over the other in the options for capturing the Far Eastern Military District headquarters

The genre is in demand by the public, as they say, "people hawala" ... Another thing scares me, as I imagine that now the Chinese are carefully outlining passages like these and somehow it becomes uncomfortable

Quote: Login_Off

Better 2 km further the landing flew, there on the street of Seryshev the headquarters of the Far East :))) I also found what to choose :))

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, you can’t do it right away, you need a screwed-up plot, so that everything in a row captures everything. And why do helicopters with special forces when 15 minutes by car on ice to Khabara

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: seasoned

I’m afraid of the other, as I imagine that now the Chinese are carefully outlining passages such as these and somehow it’s not getting on their own

It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh

[SPACE]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh

I remember one was writing in broken, but then disappeared somewhere

[Dober]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It’s a pity we don’t have any Chinese on the site. And if there is, but they don’t write, they sit, read and laugh

You are very far-sighted, Alexander. And they write, and read, and laugh, AND DREAM. Only on their sites. About these -

http://baike.baidu.com/view/173829.htm

You, as residents of the Far East, I suppose, do not need a interpreter from Kitaezovsky. And for the rest in a nutshell:

The Chinese website openly says that the territory of the Russian Far East has always been controlled by the Great Chinese Empire (see maps) and in the 19th century Tsarist Russia by force and deceit rejected almost 1/9 of its territory from China. This is the official point of view of Chinese historians. In this spirit, every schoolchild from the first grade is educated (some caring students have been specially tested according to their textbooks for elementary grades).
These are territorial claims against the Russian Federation, which in the future will lead to the capture and annexation of Eastern Siberia and the Far East by China. The penetration of Chinese into Russian territory, assimilation with the local population, the actual merger of Chinese small and medium-sized businesses with Russian in threatened regions in the long term poses a threat of loss of control over these regions. If the infrastructure problem is not resolved in the coming years, there is a serious risk of separation of Eastern Siberia and the Far East and, as a result, loss of access to natural resources.
Russia and China are now portraying friendships, but in a few years a clear confrontation will begin./ here is the article here /

Beijing's territorial claims against Moscow were first brought in the early 60s of the twentieth century. China has claims on territories around the perimeter of its border and is pursuing a wise expansionist policy. Despite official statements by the Chinese authorities that today there are no similar problems between the Russian Federation and the PRC, the content of propaganda does not change, which means the opportunity at any time to come forward with claims to Russian lands and moral preparation of their own population at this moment. In China, a program of creeping expansion on Russian territory has been adopted - according to Confucius: if not by force, then by intelligence and cunning. This is what we are observing in the Russian Far East, where the number of Chinese migrants is growing dangerously.

Expansion to capture territories and natural resources is for the Celestial Empire, perhaps the only way to cut the Gordian knot of these problems. The natural directions of this expansion have already been mentioned above. This expansion, presumably, will be primarily economic and demographic in nature. On April 3, 1988, the newspaper PLA Jefangjun Bao, commenting on the concept of “strategic boundaries of living space,” wrote the following with captivating bluntness: “Effective long-term oversight of the strategic area, which is carried out beyond the geographical boundaries, will ultimately lead to the transfer of geographical boundaries.”

The policy of the Russian foreign policy leadership is short-sighted: our leaders prefer money now and do not think about what will happen to their children, who will have to deal with China in the future.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: seasoned

It has recently become fashionable to frighten people with horror stories. King's laurels apparently do not give rest. The author compares 1941 and modern realities, even if he draws parallels with 1812 and how NATO "rushes" to Russia with a train of Romanians and Poles ... The world is changing and what was previously impossible to impose on modern conditions. Russia has nuclear weapons, it has authority in the world, none of China's neighbors wants to "whet the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today is Russia, and tomorrow they will "pinch off a piece" from them too. Moreover, Russia and China have no territorial claims. There will be no positional war with the transfer of divisions and "transferring the country to a war footing", as soon as they understand that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and there is aggression, immediately after the "call", missiles will fly and China here will already act as a "beaten "...

While studying, officers proved to us that China set itself the task of controlling half of Siberia by 2050. And about the missiles - they still have to decide to apply.

[ATATA]

Quote: Blackgrifon

During our studies, officers provedthat China set itself the task of controlling half of Siberia by 2050.

Is it more detailed and more probable? What evidence was there that such a study?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: ATATA

Is it more detailed and more probable? What evidence was there that such a study?

VK. References were to military doctrine.

[krpmlws]

The author of the article is a plus, because it raises the issue of combat readiness that is painful for the Russian Federation. This issue must be resolved and we are working in this direction, although we would like it to be carried out more systematically and intensively. About the article itself, I do not agree in everything. In 41, the military leadership of the country was not at a loss, but did their job, good or bad, another question. The author is a little overboard in assessing the fighting spirit of Siberians and the Far East. I myself am from Irkutsk and I can say, that the majority of Siberians, as in 41, retained their fighting spirit. So, if the southern neighbors trample on, it will not seem enough for them. And the experienced one lives by ultra fashionable theories of warfare, but what the reality will be, who knows, we can only prepare for various scenarios, including the traditional one: mobilization, deployment. And so, of course, it is "tempting": I pressed the button and millions of children, women turn to ashes. Anyone who will reap it? We need this? So I hope that the missiles will not fly anywhere, and in case of a catastrophic development of events, an ultimatum will be put forward that any country will have to reckon with.

[Mikhail3]

And all of our sculpted friends, such as the SGA, England, France, they all believe that we launch missiles purely in China. And they will not bring their installations with nuclear weapons on alert, and will not take advantage of the opportunity to scratch us with a pair of three charges, as if by accident ...

[ATATA]

Quote: Mikhail3

to scratch us with a couple of charges, as if by chance ...

Are you not only Chinese, but generally all fools?

[bddrus]

yeah, especially England! how many charges are enough for her?

[Sea snake]

Quote: seasoned

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

It has become fashionable recently to frighten people with horror stories ..... Russia has nuclear weapons, it has authority in the world, none of China's neighbors wants to "whet the appetite" of this monster, realizing that today Russia, and tomorrow they will "pinch off a piece" them. In addition, Russia and China have no territorial claims .... as soon as they understand that the conflict goes beyond the border incident and there is aggression, immediately after the "ringing", missiles will fly and China here will already act as a "beaten" .. ...
So let the author sleep peacefully

Support!
To sleep peacefully, I advise you to read the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation before going to bed.
The new military doctrine clarifies the use of nuclear weapons.
Paragraph 22 indicates that nuclear weapons may be used “in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against Russia and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when threatened the very existence of the state. ”
That is Russia reserves the right to a first (preventive) nuclear strike in the event of aggression against it, regardless of whether its adversary possesses nuclear weapons or not. Critical is only the existence of a threat to the existence of the state.

This is the difference between the Russian military doctrine and the Soviet, which provided for the use of nuclear weapons solely in response to nuclear aggression.

[Valery Neonov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position due to the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border.

Hello. Can you, tell me, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards-CLOSED FRIENDS ... After all, you know that fighting as such at the border is for the movie. 10-15 minutes is the maximum, so as not to reflect !, stop the invasion ... And call back (like in a boat, under water).

[afire]

Alexander Khramchikhin - you idiot, sorry of course.
Admins are an order of magnitude more interesting than articles do not miss, and this shnyaga with a bang. rave

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: afire

Admins are an order of magnitude more interesting than articles do not miss, and this shnyaga with a bang. rave

Well, what to do, many articles, trying to put different points of view

[smart ass]

Why justify nonsense?

[elenasvetlova]

You would be ashamed, otherwise women are present here.

[Dober]

Quote: elenasvetlova

women are here too.

What can not but rejoice, Elena !!!
And what exactly confused you. It seems that "for now" everything is decorous and prudent in the "men's bath"?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Valery Neonov

Hello. Can you, can you say, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards?

There are no such forces, the main forces and means of the Russian Federation and China are moved away 500 km from the border, all available on both sides under the control of joint commissions. Any transfer of the military is massive from the side of China. It will be like a lodoni. Moreover, in winter conditions.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

and funds of the Russian Federation and China are moved to 500 km

500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra. What kind of Russian troops are there?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cosmos111

500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra.

What else is the tundra, where do you live? Look at least once in Google with the geography of the problem.
There is a contract that is executed by both parties.

[Tersky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What tundra, where do you live?

500 km south of 67 parallels,

[cosmos111]

Quote: Tersky

500 km south of 67 parallels,

In China, there are intercontinental ballistic missiles - ICBMs (30 DF-31, 24 DF-5), medium-range missiles - BRRS (20 DF-4, 30 DF-3A, 80 DF-21) and tactical-tactical missiles - 600 DF-11, 300 DF-15) The total number of nuclear charges of various capacities and purposes, 10 thousand units, given that China generally refuses to discuss the size and deployment of its nuclear missile arsenal. But he is no longer embarrassed to demonstrate all new models of ballistic missiles of all classes (from TR to ICBMs), and now cruise missiles. Today, China has much more ICBM / SLBM carriers than 300. With regard to Russia, the Chinese BRDS are a full-fledged strategic weapon, because they reach anywhere in our country. We don’t have a BRDS. And since we are holding back the United States with our ICBMs and ballistic missile submarines (SLBMs), China has already developed a very significant imbalance in its favor with nuclear weapons and a huge superiority.

[Leisure]

This is what the Chinese told you about 10000 units of nuclear weapons. Where does the information come from ???

[ATATA]

Quote: Lazer

This is what the Chinese told you about 10000 units of nuclear weapons. Where does the information come from ???

This is bullshit!

[XPEHOB BOBA]

The yellow-muzzle have a minimum of 750 million head carriers, and each such head is aimed at the Russian Federation? Here the Indians rejoice that the Chinese have only pelots left)))))

[XPEHOB BOBA]

The yellow-muzzle have a minimum of 750 million head carriers, and each such head is aimed at the Russian Federation? Here the Indians rejoice that the Chinese have only pelots left)))))

[bddrus]

even the storyteller in the article came up with 8500 charges, and you decided to surpass it?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What else is the tundra, where do you live? Look at least once in Google with the geography of the problem.
There is a contract that is executed by both parties.

You have mixed something up, not 500, but 100 kilometers.
But to imperceptibly concentrate a large group of troops is really impossible.

[Tersky]

Quote: cosmos111

500 cells from the border with China in Russia is already the tundra. What kind of Russian troops are there?

Well, well ... Here is a map with a scale of 1: 20 (clickable), measure 000 km north from any section of the Russian-Chinese border, you can not write about the results ... The length of only Krasnoyarsk Territory from south to north is almost 000 km Moreover, in the south, it borders not with China, but with Tuva, the length of which from north to south is 500 km. In Russia they say: "Think head, buy a hat"

[mogus]

Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude, Chita in the tundra ..?! And I thought that I live in the taiga ...
From Moscow to Russia at least sometimes come ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Valery Neon
Hello. Can you, can you say, is there any forces and means to support (screen) border guards?

There are no such forces, the main forces and means of the Russian Federation and China are moved away 500 km from the border

Judging by the ZabVO at the end of the 80s, there were previously enough border protection troops: 3 lines of URs (infantry in DFSs, tanks in NTOTs) and a "field filling" corps, as we called it. In any case, it was so in the Borzin corps. However, after the GSVG, the combat readiness of this corps seemed "zero".

[Nevsky]

The prophecy of the youth Vyacheslav about the war with China, from all this nonsense of the early 90s, only came true Russian-Chinese exercises in Chebarkul.
(although only this fact alone is already scary. The prediction was in 1993, and only recently began to carry out exercises with the Chinese, an underdose for the event is excluded!)

Glory said that China will attack Russia, and we will have to fight the Chinese. He told how this war would be brewing. First, Russia will "make friends with America." Then, the Americans - Slavochka said this in his simple childish language - “will be bullied with the Chinese. And when - he says - the Chinese will get angry and will be on the brink of war with the Americans - at the last moment the Americans will get scared and set China on Russia.
And China will go to war against Russia. ”1 And just before the war with China, our army will be ruined. Slavochka said so: “Before the war with China, our army will be destroyed, the army will be weak, all military equipment will be in poor condition and there will be no problem for the Chinese to deal with it.”
Slavochka said that “the Chinese will suddenly take over everything. They will come in so quickly and quietly that no one will hear. ” I asked him again: “Quietly - like in slippers?” And he said: "Like in slippers." According to the lad, the war with China will be very fast and the Chinese will calmly come to us as if they were on their territory, because they have their own prophecies, and they consider our territory (the former empire of Genghis Khan) to be their own. The capture of our territory will happen very quickly. Slavochka said: “The Chinese will land troops. You wake up in the morning, look out the window - and there are Chinese, look in another window - there are also Chinese, everywhere Chinese. ” Somewhere bloody battles will take place in places, someone will try to resist them, but basically they will come to us easily and almost without a fight and very quickly capture our territory right up to the Urals. The Chinese will not touch the northern areas - those areas where roads are currently being laid will mostly suffer. Slavochka said that fierce battles will be near Yekaterinburg, in the Far East there will also be strong battles in places, and they will capture Chebarkul without a fight. Slavochka said that “in Chebarkul, the Chinese will land troops. And before that, joint exercises will be held here, and the Chinese will know every bush». So in Chebarkul - Glory said - there will be Chinese.
Slavochka said that the Chinese will do many troubles and will be very cruel to our population. Glory was an intelligent boy and never called anyone names. But when he looked what the Chinese would do with our population, he could not stand it and said: “Oooo oblique!” I was very surprised at this, but Slavochka called the Chinese like that for their cruelty. Glory said that the Chinese will shed a lot of blood. They will kill almost all men and will sterilize the boys. Slavochka said that they would kill men so much that "even women will serve as priests." I was so surprised at this and asked: “How is it? Female priest? This does not happen - I could not. " And he smiled and said: “I could, mommy” ....

Full version here:

http://vk.com/wall151110386_2450

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nevsky

Little girl said

Do you want me to hear a prophecy? I’ll say such a thing

[ATATA]

Quote: Nevsky

And he smiled and said: “I could, mommy” ....

Youth Glory, is that a new prophet?
Besides the teachings, what prophecies of his have already come true?

[Dober]

Quote: ATATA

Youth Glory, is that a new prophet?

Yes pah on him ... There is an old (literally) PROPHET - Zbignicek Brzezinski. And he had a lot of things come true, unfortunately.
It is necessary on occasion to ask him ...

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Nevsky

The prophecy of the youth Vyacheslav about the war with China, out of all this nonsense of the early 90s, only the Russian-Chinese teachings in Chebarkul came true.

Regarding the prophecies - there are prophecies of Vanga (not the one that was recently invented) and a couple of American predictors - they have Russia UXxxx, which is terrible and strong.

There is nothing special to say about the attitude of the Chinese towards the peaceful people - during their invasion of Vietnam, it turned out that the traditions of the Tatar Mongol live and that Chinese soldiers zealously profess them.

And about Yekaterinburg-and nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction where?

[Leisure]

Chinese paratroopers know about every Chebarkul bush. Well, everything is gone.
Brzezinich's golden dream, even the mighty gadgets will not help us.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Does the author know

Along the way, he forgot about the Three Gorges dam, one blow on which, without any nuclear weapons, would break the dam and the world would no longer be able to enjoy cheap labor. The concrete dam has a height of 180 m. The reservoir area is 1084 km2. Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the Yangtze River, the largest in China. When the water sweeps them away in China, deprived of electricity, a disaster will begin ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vadivak

.Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the largest Yangtze River in China. When water sweeps them away in a powerless China, a catastrophe will begin ...

Vadim, do not spoil the author’s caif. In his opinion, a blow to the dam is not possible due to the massive drunkenness of the entire leadership of the Russian Federation and the capture of the headquarters of the Far Eastern Federal District

[leon-iv]

A Strategic Ovation drank the last rusty Tu-160

[Dober]

Quote: leon-iv

Strategic Ovation

Sorry, but "Oviation" Is it a mistake, or is it still some particular type of troops that is used to "feed the rusty Tu-60"?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Vadim, do not spoil the author’s caif. In his opinion, a blow to the dam is not possible due to the massive drunkenness of the entire leadership of the Russian Federation and the capture of the headquarters of the Far Eastern Federal District

I am silent. May she remain in ignorance

[FATEMOGAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Hundreds of thousands of chemical plants are located along the banks of the largest Yangtze River in China. When water sweeps them away in a powerless China, a catastrophe will begin ...

Not to mention that this is an ideal scenario for amers to play off China with Russia, the essence and consequences of which the Chinese also understand very well and are unlikely to dumb enough to go on about mattresses, since in the war with us they will definitely lose more than they can to purchase. And this is the best argument for trying to finally spread their wings, the Chinese dragon.

[Tersky]

Quote: Vadivak

Along the way, he forgot about the Three Gorges dam, one blow on which, without any nuclear weapons, the dam will break through and the world will no longer be able to enjoy cheap labor

Vadim ! With a lot of delusional imagination of the author, he somehow does not associate it as a lever to drain a giant toilet bowl.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

moreover, not in the north of Tibet and the Uyghurs, but in the south of Taiwan, who will gladly arrange their partisan warfare

[Draz]

I looked at the author - did not read.
A well-known "analyst" in terms of adjusting any facts in favor of the Chinese invasion.
The style is well-known: it does not take into account the characteristics of the territory and infrastructure, uses the formulas for maintaining a second world database, and is biased by definition.

[T-100]

Well, what do you have to do a remake of the song "Get up, the country is huge
get up to death
With Chinese power dark with a cursed horde.
Rotten Chinese dishonor will drive a bullet in the forehead
put together a strong coffin by the scum of humanity !!!

[ATATA]

Quote: T-100

Rotten Chinese dishonor will drive a bullet in the forehead
put together a strong coffin by the scum of humanity !!!

The war between China and Russia (if we assume it) is rather its result.
It will depend not on the population (meat no longer steers), but on the political will of the Russian leadership to use all available means of destruction. Those. choose whether to wipe China off the face of the earth or surrender and sign yourself a death sentence.
The current leadership, I think, will not allow this, and the future depends on us.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: ATATA

sweep China off the face of the earth

I propose to sweep right now - so that you don’t have to worry! :)

Quote: ATATA

The current leadership, I think, will not allow this,

In this regard, I doubt something ...

[Hug]

I especially liked "The current leadership, I think, will not allow this" - I have already believed it!

[Furnace driver]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!

I did not read further after these lines:

The fact that the top Soviet leadership experienced 22 in June 1941 of the year experienced a strong shock and lost its ability to act meaningfully for several days is a fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this situation greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war. However, then the Soviet leaders still came to their senses and began to act. The strongest of these actions was the evacuation of industry to the east. That was the first step to the collapse of the German campaign. It was possible to form the Red Army "second convocation", and then the "third convocation." And in the end, to win what at first was so hopelessly lost.

Complete ignorance of the story. The second and third echelons of the Red Army at the time the war began were already moving towards the border. The successes of the Germans are connected only with the fact that the Headquarters did not have time to pull all the trains to the border in a timely manner.

[SPACE]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

I read the article, it's cool ... .
I pulled a little info I hope Waf will not be offended : “The Tu-22M3 aircraft is designed to conduct combat operations in the operational areas of land and sea theaters of operations with the aim of destroying mobile and stationary, radar-contrast and area, visible and invisible targets (objects) with missiles and bombs day and night in simple and complex meteorological conditions. The aircraft provides the following tasks: Striking with X-22-type missiles. Defeat 10-x-15 type missiles with ground targets with previously known coordinates; Performing targeted bombing from 200 m to the practical ceiling (maximum bomb load 24000 kg); free-falling bombs or sea mines of various calibers (up to 69 pcs. FAB-250), with a total weight of up to 24 000 kg. Total 268 is combat-ready 40.
The bomb load of Tu-95 aircraft can reach 12 000 kg. It is allowed to place free-falling (including nuclear) aviation bombs in caliber up to 9 000 kg in the fuselage bomb bay. The Tu-95MS, which is the backbone of strategic aviation in Russia, is the carrier of the X-55 cruise missiles. Total 90 combat-ready 30.
The Tu-160 carrier of strategic cruise missiles X-55СМ is designed to destroy stationary targets with predetermined coordinates. Missiles are placed on two MKU-6-5U drum launchers, six in each, in two cargo compartments of the aircraft. To destroy targets at a shorter range, the armament may include X-15С aeroballistic hypersonic missiles (24 missiles, 12 on each MKU). The aircraft can also be equipped with free-falling bombs (up to 40000 kg) of various calibers, including nuclear, single-shot bombs cartridges, sea mines and other weapons. In all, 16 is 16 operational. ”
Total “approximately” 1500 tons can be delivered and dropped promptly in just one call to the aggressor ... So who will plow someone and bury this is an obvious question. And if we take into account conventional aviation from Su-24,25,27,30,34, MIG-29,31, MI-8,24,28, KA, 50,52 to the transport IL-76, AN-124. Take into account the barrel and rocket artillery. And besides this, and most importantly, to take into account, from a hangover of evil, not good and unshaven Siberian men with RPG-7 looking with infrared eyes from under each taiga pine ...
Z.Y. Everything is of course approximately rough, but the facts remain facts, and any of this, if considered positively, of course, can make a conclusion: clearly, the nichrome of “unih” will not work.
Z.Y. Recently there was such an article, so I remain in my opinion.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: SPACE

Z.Y. Everything is of course approximately, crude, but the facts remain facts and any of this, if considered positively, of course, can make a conclusion: clearly, the nichrome of the “unions” will not work. Z.Y. Recently there was such an article, so I remain in my opinion.

It will not come out, but the Russian blood, if it does happen, will be shed a lot. Especially if you sit and enjoy life, and not develop defense.

[SPACE]

Quote: Blackgrifon

It doesn’t come out, it won’t, but if the Russian blood does happen, it will spill quite a bit.

I am inclined to believe that the Chinese are not so stupid as to flatter in a den and wake a bear, but who knows what is on their minds? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Well, if all the same it comes to butting and blood will flow ... the war is not without it.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: SPACE

I am inclined to believe that the Chinese are not so stupid as to flatter in a den and wake a bear, but who knows what is on their minds? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Well, if all the same it comes to butting and blood will flow ... the war is not without it.

War is not without it, but victories are different - you can win in such a way that there will be no one to restore the country. One must be able to win, as they said in the USSR, "with little blood."

[Aryan]

The article is minded by the Ketais! See Assange 2.0 issued their secret plans, dried CIA

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!

it’s just that the doctor’s phobia about the Chinese, his eternal horror that they’re sneaky, at 1 a.m. on January XNUMX, when all the military leaders at the TVs whip champagne, rush towards the Urals

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

zaminnusili better used to read about the author

Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (genus. June 3, 1967) - Russian political scientist. He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University in 1990. He did not serve in the army. In 1995-1996 he worked in the analytical structures of the election headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia" ...
and this person is engaged in military-political analytics

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

http://newsreaders.ru/showthread.php?t=1978

[ATATA]

Thanks for the video with this online tag.
My conclusion, such as Khramchikhin, needs to be hoisted 3,14 on the head with a stool since childhood.
Either clinical cretin, or representative of 5 columns.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ATATA

need a 3,14 head stool on since childhood.

I would say that it was done without us, it’s just strange to allow a person who did not serve in the army to military-political analysis

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.

Alexander, I generally got the impression that the author re-read combat alternative fiction))) It’s just that the author is not in the subject that China is very vulnerable to nuclear weapons and the consequences of the response are vigorous with the loaf of Heaven with a probability of 99% ... it’s very successful China is populated , just like specifically for nuclear genocide. And about the nonsense in the style of the Chinese army running through the winter expanses of the Far East, this is generally surreal nonsense.

[Geisenberg]

I read to the word "suspended animation", vomited ...

[kosmos44]

Lord How zadolbala your alternative story.

[Apologet.Ru]

Regarding such fantastically alternative versions of the modern war between Russia and its "partners" - I strongly recommend to you, colleagues, the book Mikhail Lugovoi "The Hot Spring of 2015. In which the author quite plausibly describes a possible scenario for the development of “hot” events during the deployment of elements of the Indos missile defense system in Poland and of the Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad region. It can be downloaded or read from a computer. ...

[Apologet.Ru]

Well, and a video in the topic (for those who have not seen) -

[WAN]

I read the name, I think - Khramchikhin 100%, went down - Khramchikhin)
I read it, very interesting. He and his China rode ikperd completely off the coils,.

Khramchikhin's statements about the likelihood of a war in Georgia the day before it begins:

There will be no Georgian offensive, this is absolutely out of the question. / ---- / There will be no war in any case. Apparently, Georgia's goal is to destabilize the situation in South Ossetia so that as many people as possible fled from there to Russia. This is done in order to weaken the republic militarily, economically and psychologically, "Khramchikhin believes.

[vjhbc]

everyone who puts a minus article reminds me of an ostrich hiding its head in the sand, I think that the scenario described by the author is even too optimistic for Russia, but in reality it would be worse than the Chinese would not have to risk flying helicopters at all, they would calmly arrive by truck and in the perid they would drive gayts with border guards so that, God forbid, they didn’t get into any accident, which would go wild before that and the border would pass along the Volga

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I read about the landing of special forces in the stadium, the accumulation of Chinese divisions and did not go any further.
Does the author know that the accumulation of forces and means on the border of a neighboring state is regarded as preparation for a warrior. Does the author know that in the mid-90s all the forces of the Far East Far East switched to a barracks position in connection with the redeployment of Chinese divisions to the Russian border. In short, the author is minus you!

[Cynic]

Quote: vjhbc

everyone who puts a minus article reminds me of an ostrich hiding its head in the sand, I think so

I am sitting high, looking far away!

You know better from there than to us from here.
Information for reflection

... Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev.
"In addition, it provides for the variation of the possibility of using nuclear weapons, depending on the conditions of the situation and the intentions of the potential adversary," Patrushev said. According to him, "in critical situations for national security, it is possible that a preemptive (preventive) nuclear strike against the aggressor".

Yes, even

... conditions for the use of nuclear weapons in repelling aggression using conventional weapons, not only in large-scale, but also in regional and even in local warfare

Previously, this (edition of 2000) was not.

A curtain .

[domokl]

Alas, the picture is more than realistic. The territories beyond the Urals are protected theoretically more than practically, and the destruction of units and formations is generally not complicated at all. It is only thought that in this case Russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons in full.

[BARKAS]

And to whom the Chinese need it, for all their exoticism today is much more adequate than the same Americans, so I put a minus to the article!

[domokl]

The author, in my opinion, specifically issued a horror article to draw attention to the problem. I know the region very well and really see many shortcomings in protecting the eastern regions.
The army is an army, but, alas, not conscripts, but reserve soldiers will fight, and there are practically none of them in the regions.

[redwolf_13]

And who told you that the PRC will not respond to the blow? And they have something. Don't forget that China is already building its own icebreakers and reinforced ice-type vessels. Disputing Russia's right to the northern route. Although the maps and directions of the northern route in 1999 were declassified and transferred to the "world community". So imagine, in addition, the landing from the north along the Lena and Ob rivers. I will say one thing if the Chinese really want it, then they will take the Far East and South Siberia and Kazakhstan in addition.

[domokl]

Quote: redwolf_13

So imagine even in addition the landing from the north along the Lena and Ob rivers.

The landing there will be eaten by midges. You cannot get to us from the north ... Our government took care .. Even the marinas on the rivers became unusable. And the Chinese never had so many boats and boats to go to populated areas ...
But seriously, it’s really enough for China to start, seize the railway (Transib is now the only artery connecting the Far East and Russia), destroy the airfields and everything. The region will be lost for some time. Russia can’t decide to strike at its territory, which means full-scale war.
It is not in vain that Putin and the whole leadership are turning right there. The time is hotter and, God forbid, soon everything can really catch fire

[cosmos111]

Quote: domokl

The landing there will be eaten by the midge

That the Chinese will eat the whole midge .And seriously, it is necessary to rearm the TWO with new types of weapons in priority order. On the training frames, only the old T-72 / 80 of various modifications, BMP-2, BTR-80.MI-24 / 8.

[bddrus]

in its territory? what for? or do you think that millions of Chinese will be so quickly on our territory? bullet in the Chinese territory as well, and then the homeless can then be finished off on their own, left without support and supply.

[afire]

Quote: redwolf_13

If the Chinese really want it, they will take for themselves both the Far East and Southern Siberia and Kazakhstan in addition.

Such alarmists were the first to conclude, so as not to create an unnecessary background and not to shake the air in vain.
I’m afraid the Chinese zhelalka will quickly fade away from the realization of the irreversibility of its own death while continuing to escalate the conflict

[redwolf_13]

But what’s not going to break into sending in conclusion such as I?
If this is it, I am on the border between you and them and I know a little the situation every day. And judges by the zombie man that what is going on for 9 thousand km from the Muscovites is Yes. And give us all the advice here. Come see what is, what was, and what is left. How your beloved EBN allowed the defense of the border to become demilitarized. As the URs were cleared and the troops were withdrawn for 100 km. The Chinese, too, withdrew their troops only by laying along the border rockades and straight arrows of roads that can easily withstand heavy equipment. And about the alarmism is not necessary in 41 already passed only by a miracle the German did not enter Muscovy.

[leon-iv]

um, but do not you think that you understand poorly in military affairs?
Do you know about such a thing as a tank hazard direction? And what is 12GU MO? And what should it do?
And the most critical question, but where did the strategic nuclear forces go?

[ATATA]

Quote: redwolf_13

for 9 thousand km from the Muscovites it Yes

Russia from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, not Muscovy.
One country, one people POWER.

Quote: redwolf_13

How is your favorite EBN allowed defending the border by making it demilitarized. how allowed Ur and withdrawn troops 100 km.

Did you happen to learn Russian in Galicia?

[afire]

Do you speak of Muscovites? ... Has it already separated? Do you think hatred of Muscovites?
Shame, not with western Ukraine by chance?
Nobody will give you advice, since you are generally nobody, verbiage, who does not understand absolutely anything in military affairs.
Our favorite EBN ?????? what are you talking about hoopoe?
Provocateur of pure water.
PS When it is necessary - it will not tear and will not flinch!

[redwolf_13]

I didn’t think about separation. Muscovy was separated from the whole of RUSSIA. My hatred and thoughts are with me and do not need to touch them. I would like to shout at others and send to the camps please, but this is in the looking glass.
Yes, my ancestors from Western Ukraine, always and their whole lives defended the Russian lands and stood guard over their borders.
I see you dear understand a lot. You read a lot of books and use Google as much as field marshal. So good luck to you.

[afire]

I don’t know about the ancestors, but here your saying (lads, typical mistakes in writing the text) just says that you yourself are from western Ukraine. Therefore, I wouldn’t burst, go to your correspondent and get hungry with your friends there.

Quote: redwolf_13

You read a lot of books

I really read a lot of different things.

Quote: redwolf_13

and use google

God sees - only Yandex for some reason))

Quote: redwolf_13

thinking myself no less than field marshal

I can’t rush myself, my wife sometimes does massage. And why not less? language problems are obvious

[redwolf_13]

I love Muscovites all as twins much to hang labels. Hang and sit admiring. And about Yandex, I'm glad but you need to grow above yourself and go on Google. And even more so since your wife is doing massage to you. I am also satisfied with the health benefits. And the last you can see where I myself, if I am too lazy, I’ll say from the FAR EAST, I was born, live and serve. I serve honestly at the call of my heart and soul. I understand that this is somehow far from you but still. All the same, it’s closer to me here and I see what is happening here in what state are things on the border of the east. Like Us and Like Them. Victory reports on the zombie creator have nothing to do with real cases.

[bddrus]

maybe you live in the looking glass how everyone loves to put themselves above others and put the most understanding and knowledgeable! he sees everything!

[biglow]

Quote: redwolf_13

I didn’t think about separation. Muscovy was separated from the whole of RUSSIA. My hatred and thoughts are with me and do not need to touch them. I would like to shout at others and send to the camps please, but this is in the looking glass.
Yes, my ancestors from Western Ukraine, always and their whole lives defended the Russian lands and stood guard over their borders.
I see you dear understand a lot. You read a lot of books and use Google as much as field marshal. So good luck to you.

alarmists have always been put against the wall, our Galician friend

[redwolf_13]

Dear biglow for Galicia, thanks. The places there say beautiful. but most likely you meant Eastern Galicia, but this is not the main thing. I'm just wondering why alarmism? That's the question. If you questioned the question of a retaliatory strike with nuclear weapons on Russian territory from China. Then I think that all the same you are mistaken. Or you are still led into righteous anger by the fact that in the event of an armed conflict, the PRC will be able to occupy the Far East with the South Urals. Yes, the PRC PLA has enough strength. Whether it will be able to hold these territories is another question. Although the actions of the authorities and the population will diverge completely, I'm sure. What am I based on. Here are a couple of arguments. The "Chinese wall", namely the UR system, was completely destroyed. Not abandoned, preserved but completely destroyed. The territory of Russia is given away 337 sq. kilometers and this is only in the Far East. Now the border runs along the embankment of Khabarovsk. Where is the VO headquarters in the city?
Yes, the troops moved 100 km from the borders, but the pragmatic Chinese extended the highway to the border and they can withstand heavy equipment. So they do not need to concentrate and move troops. Yes, and more about border protection. And this truth, we have several outposts where the number of people in the squad reaches 10 people. Unfortunately, but the border guards joke now, the Chinese and our stuffed animals are guarding the border. Yes it was the stuffed animals that stand on the border in the bushes and on the towers. It somehow frightens off wild hunters. Recently, he himself was a participant in the export of Chinese from our territory. 2 abandoned villages were settled. All of them seeped across the border and settled in OUR land and no one knew about them. Thanks to the hunters, they suggested. So that in one that in another village more than 20 families, all not older than 30-40 years, judging by planting and arrangement, have lived for at least 1 year. Here you have the border on the castle. Although you judge. But with cap-making it is necessary to say goodbye for a long time. This leads only to sad results.

[studentmati]

Fortunately, if we keep the Transibu line?

[biglow]

Quote: redwolf_13

Dear biglow, thank you for Galicia. The places there are beautiful. but most likely you mean Eastern Galicia, but this is not the main thing. I’m just wondering why alarmism is.

all you write is empty emotions ...
Throughout its history, China fought only on its territory, and they did not have major wars from the point of view of a European .. All attempts to fight with neighbors ended in tears for China and one can recall not only Daman or the conflict with Vietnam, but also more ancient stories.
And the second question is why do I fight with us? What will he get from this? China now needs raw materials and energy of all kinds, all this China can buy from Russia, especially since China has accumulated a large number of rapidly cheaper dollars that need to be put somewhere.
And what will war with Russia give China? Nothing good, China is not at all monolithic in terms of people and ideology, everything rests only on the iron hand of power. We look at China from the point of view of European logic. But in Asia, our own logic is not always clear and obvious for us (read about Buddhism and Taoist ethics) In the event of any conflict with China, Russia will no doubt use nuclear weapons to defend itself, and a couple of strikes against the economic centers of southern China will be enough to bring down the entire Chinese economy and bring the country into a state of chaos for a long time that the Chinese will not be able to restore very soon.
Why China can not capture Taiwan, the answer is very simple, it is not profitable from the point of view of the economy, there may be too big losses that have nothing to compensate for ...
And you were in Galicia, I served in the Ternopil region, a city of battles

[redwolf_13]

To my great regret, I was not in Galicia. Seaside I am seaside, I have a big dream to visit Ukraine but not yet. With many of the above, I agree. But do not forget one thing. Asians are very complicated guys. And with them you need to be on guard. Recently, China began to resemble Germany in 1933. A growing economy, population growth, the emergence of a wealthy elite, a change in worldview, and attempts to identify itself as an Asian empire.

[biglow]

Quote: redwolf_13

To my great regret, I was not in Galicia. Seaside I am seaside, I have a big dream to visit Ukraine but not yet. With many of the above, I agree. But do not forget one thing. Asians are very complicated guys. And with them you need to be on guard. Recently, China began to resemble Germany in 1933. A growing economy, population growth, the emergence of a wealthy elite, a change in worldview, and attempts to identify itself as an Asian empire.

you write in Russian as in a non-native language, so they write to you that your style of presentation is similar to that which people in Galicia write on this site quite a lot ...

[redwolf_13]

I didn’t know, thanks. Although in the Far East there are a lot of immigrants from Ukraine and Belarus. Muscovites cannot understand us like that. They say that we quickly speak and think. And our language style is different.

[Cynic]

Quote: redwolf_13

our language style is different.

Everything can be, only you, dear redwolf_13 the style is not that different; it’s different in the series of posts!

[Tersky]

Quote: redwolf_13

If this is me, I’m on the border between you and them

Well, as it is not modest, you are on the territory of the Russian Federation, there is no such state as "between" and cannot be. And second, the pronoun I in the middle of a sentence is written in words.

[redwolf_13]

Yes Dear Tersky, in the context of our conversation, the sentence "If it is I am on the border between you and them" had a semantic meaning not as being in another state. And as finding one person at the border and guarding its borders and the second person located at a great distance from him. But note all this is meant in the context of one temporary side-altar of one territory. But at the expense of spelling, do not blame me, I wrote slightly agitated and did not notice this annoying mistake. And if she jarred you, I apologize

[screw cutter]

I believe that the Chinese do not need a pure war with Russia, enough corrupt officials, and a quiet occupation of the Chinese population. And in terms of territory, the southern and western neighbors look more attractive, and the climate is favorable and the resources are easier to mix in the crowd.

[JonnyT]

China has something to answer, but they have frank anti-aircraft defense ..but, here they are waiting for s-400 to copy .......
And a little lyrics: China can’t defeat us because it’s a copier country, it’s extremely difficult for them to come up with anything ..... that is, to adapt to the new conditions of war, to use new types of weapons, to develop methods for counteracting China they will vryat .. ..

[Deniska999]

I frankly did not like the article.

[Sarus]

Read. Double feelings.
1. I do not think that the Siberian parts will be so easily broken. And especially Pacific Fleet. While the PLA will deploy its forces, the Pacific Fleet can pretty much prevent this.
2. In the depths of my soul, a worm crept in. The author is right that after the Ural mountains we have few cities of military units and population in general. All bomb shelters and warehouses with weapons and similar things have long been in the past. As an example, I will cite Krymsk where the warning system did not work. And if there is an airstrike, the residents will learn about it in the city only by explosions and fires. And I agree with the author about the top management. Our decision-making system is none. An example is the war with Georgia in 2008 .. It took several days to understand what you need to fit in. It was all over Georgia. And to decide on a nuclear strike on China. This requires "eggs" and real ones ...
PS
A resident of Tomsk. Near the motorized rifle brigade there are also parts of the Strategic Missile Forces near Novosib .. Maybe the Chinese will not reach us.
As they say wait and see. But I would be calmer if the Russian army began in the East to truly strengthen ...

[ATATA]

Quote: Sarus

At heart, a worm crept in

This was the main task of the author.
Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.
The crystal dream of the United States and the Zionists, this is a war with China until the last Russian soldier.
Those who sow thoughts about the war of the Russian Federation and China, or the enemies of Russia, or did not think seriously on this topic.
ps After June 22, it was May 9, and the author did not develop this topic. Article minus.

[Revolver]

Quote: ATATA

Crystal dream of the USA and Zionists

What does the Zionists have to do with it? Have you even read the definition of Zionism? Well, open up at least Vilipedia. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC Their interests are between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Well, even if we accept the most tendentious Arab version about the special aggressiveness and aggressive plans of the Zionists, "from the Nile to the Euphrates." Where is the interest in the Far East? You have an obsession, it must be treated.

[ATATA]

Quote: Nagan

What does the Zionists have to do with it? Have you ever read the definition of Zionism? Well, at least open the Wilipedia. Their interests are between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

Zionism was tasked with achieving the "return" of Jews to Palestine and laying the foundations for a world Jewish empire there. The idea of ​​domination over other peoples has been keeping pace with the idea of ​​revolution over the past hundred years, and the success of one could not be achieved without the help of the other. Their successes are evident: the "return" has become a fait accompli, as is the nation-state of the chosen tribe; at the same time, the national states of other peoples, these low-lying breeds outside the Jewish Law, are either completely destroyed, or weakened and weakened: the European great powers of the past, and the beginning of our century no longer exist. The forces of the Jewish state acted from above, corrupting the governments of these countries, the forces of the revolution undermined the foundations of their existence from below.

Their interests are much broader do not let the fog.

[Revolver]

Quote: ATATA

European great powers of the past, and the beginning of our century no more

It seems that in our century not a single country in Europe has been liquidated. Both the Union and Yugoslavia (although how great is it?) Fell apart in last century. Which, however, does not in itself make the lives of the peoples involved even any better, the wounds still hurt.

[domokl]

Quote: ATATA

Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.

What kind of nonsense did they write ... What a wedge? And we and the Chinese are well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the region’s defense. The author organized a scarecrow precisely to highlight the problem.

[domokl]

Quote: ATATA

. After June 22, it was May 9, but the author did not develop this topic.

And there were 27 of millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of cities and villages. Then this topic needs to be developed. The means of destruction have improved many times

[ATATA]

Quote: domokl

And there were 27 of millions of lives, hundreds of thousands of cities and villages. Then this topic needs to be developed. The means of destruction have improved many times

The means of destruction in the Russian Federation are many times more than in China.

Quote: domokl

The author organized the scarecrow exactly in order to highlight the problem.

Quote: domokl

What kind of nonsense did they write ...

[smart ass]

The article is realistic, a lot of stupidity of course, but also a lot of truth.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Clever man

The article is realistic, a lot of stupidity of course, but also a lot of truth.

In my opinion, it is very realistic. In practice, everything is much worse. The Celestial Army has been re-equipped with modern equipment and is conducting offensive exercises, namely in the north of China near the borders with Russia. In China, the mobilization system is fully preserved (in relation to both the population and industry). For a similar reason, most of the PLA ground forces remain divisions. Only a small number of them were reorganized into brigades. The latter are designed for local wars, but the basis is the divisions designed for large-scale offensive war. For the same big war, today China creates the world's largest tank fleet. Without tanks, conduct large-scale offensive operations state of the Chinese tank fleet. The troops have already received at least four thousand modern Toure-96 and Toure-99 tanks, and replacing the old with new ones is on a one-to-one basis. That is, a radical qualitative update does not lead to quantitative reductions. Toure-96 / 96A vehicles have already arrived in all seven military districts of the PLA, Toure-99 - so far, only in three districts: Shenyang, Beijing and Lanzhou exactly in those adjacent to the borders with Russia.

[Dober]

Quote: cosmos111

The Celestial Army is rearmed with modern equipment and conducts offensive exercises, namely in the north of China near the borders with Russia.

As early as September 2008, 10-day exercises of the Shenyang and Beijing military districts, unprecedented in scale, were held. During the exercises, units of the Shenyang Military District made a throw at a distance of 1000 km to the territory of the Beijing Military District, where they conducted a training battle with parts of this district. Relocation was carried out both under its own power and by rail. The objectives of the exercises were to develop skills of maneuvering by army units at a great distance from basing places and to increase the level of command and control of rear support for troops.

Such a scenario of exercises can only be considered as preparation for a war with Russia, and an offensive is being worked out, not a defense. With regard to Taiwan (as well as, for example, to Southeast Asia or the Korean Peninsula), this scenario does not make sense due to the incomparably lower depth of the theater of war and other natural and climatic conditions. Deep offensive operations were practiced on land, in the mountainous-steppe area, only Russia and Kazakhstan can be their targets for China. The relief of the area where the exercises were held is similar to the Transbaikal, and 1000 km is the distance from the Russian-Chinese border along the Argun River to Lake Baikal. The Lanzhou Military District of the PLA is located against Kazakhstan; it did not participate in these exercises. The exercises were carried out precisely by the Shenyang and Beijing districts.

As you can see, today China has an army worthy of a world leader!

[redwolf_13]

Forces Toph? And they simply are not. Absolutely no. Recently, exercises took place between Toph and the Navy of China. 7 destroyers from China and 2 BOD from the Pacific Fleet and 1 tugboat. Well, how do you like the strength of Pacific Fleet. The rest is at the base welded to the pier and rots without repair of smart crews. It's just a pile of scrap metal

[smart ass]

Guys if you poke minus signs, then justify

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Clever man

Guys if you poke minus signs, then justify

To whom are the minuses, if the author of the article, so I wrote a minus for what. Delitant article

[alicante11]

Duc for a lie - for her, vile. We took part with the Chinese in the 2EM exercises, and other ships in our teachings and the Varyag 70. And this is not considering the Kamchatka submarines.

[domokl]

Quote: Sarus

I’ll give an example of Krymsk where the warning system did not work.

Well, I don’t know. At the expense of the notification system, I am sure that 100% will work. For us, it notifies the population every six months in the training mode. There are no complaints. In the city with a million people, you can hear the siren everywhere and everyone.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: domokl

I’m 100% sure that it will work at the expense of the notification system. With us, it notifies the population every six months in the training mode

That's it, that everyone is used to the fact that if a siren howls, then someone is checking it

[domokl]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

That's it, that everyone is used to the fact that if a siren howls, then someone is checking it

Sasha wrote Epuntu. We have been warned for two days before checking on TV that there is no panic. Yes and serena is used not only during a military attack (it is not so easy to get to us), it is necessary in case of technological disasters. This is much more relevant now. The plants are serious and dangerous around.

[buzuke]

yes, as they say, you’ll make a nice call ... you can argue a lot of things, but the main question is why? the Chinese are easier to buy than take away. Yes, and cheaper. they won Africa with might and main. and similar scenarios are written in the State Department and moved through all sorts of trolls

[Boa kaa]

Quote: buzuke

and similar scenarios are written in the State Department and moved through all sorts of trolls

Indeed, this is the blue dream of amers. The states begin to penetrate the APR and see China as their main adversary. Therefore, they are trying to pull the Russian Federation to their side against the second most powerful country in economic power. But the armed forces of China are still far behind the state forces. Therefore, the People's Republic of China and went to rapprochement with us in the calculation to bribe and copy comparable to the US MBTs, such as SU-35, diesel-electric submarines, etc.
War is a continuation of politics ... by violent means. So what kind of policies does the PRC pursue with us, and we with respect to China? Yes, over time, everything can change (I would like for the better for us). But let's solve problems as they come. And how they can be solved in modern conditions showed the maneuvers of troops and forces of the BBO fleet that began recently.
But nobody will fight the mass armies (PLA) with old methods. According to OBS, there is a weapon based on new physical principles, developed specifically for these purposes. So, not having all the information, it is not worth making hasty conclusions about the incompetence of the country's military-political leadership. And I think that they are well aware that China is vulnerable to our response. Therefore, they seek common ground and interaction, not vice versa. Only together, the Russian Federation and China are able to confront the United States and NATO. And if one by one, then as my son says: the main thing is to have time to press a button to reduce the war to nobody's.

[Soldier]

Another, unsupported horror story based on the fact that there are many Chinese and few of us. Brad. Once again I declare (I used to work in China) in the near and even distant future of the war with China I DO NOT EXPECT. The author forgets that besides of the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And in 15 years there can be more Indians than Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.

[krasin]

Reassured! And then terribly caught up

[KG_patriot_last]

1) Against India there is still such a serious "friend" of China as Pakistan with hundreds of millions of population ...
The fact that initially Russia, Kazakhstan and the Kyrgyz Republic alone will fight against China is quite possible in reality: EVERYONE WILL WAIT FOR THE ATTENUATION OF 2 camps. But then, India and Pakistan and the Caucasus and NATO and Indonesia and Japan - all adequate countries in the world will harness themselves to a new world war to solve their problems ... And the goal will be to tear the wounded bear and dragon before they become stronger ...
So the author is not right in only one thing: this will never be a war of 2 countries: China and Russia.
2) And the author is still wrong that Japan will close his eyes to the war with China for the Kuril Islands, during the Third World War only the pride of the Kurils will not allow them to return the Kuril Islands.
3) If China and Japan enter the war, then Korea will no longer be able to stand aside ... Moreover, both Koreas. And there the top of the USA will appear ...
4) I'm not talking about the Middle East. If the World War breaks out with the violation of international treaties and organizations like the UN, 5bn. Saudi dollar armored tanks will solve their tasks in the Middle East ...
5) In general, China and Russia are not 2 villages, so that the world remains on the sidelines ... Blaze up so that it doesn’t seem much ... For the United States this will be an opportunity to become the master of the world again, NEVER they will remain on the sidelines ... them the fact that the president of Honduras went to the toilet is important, but here is the world war and are they aloof? There will be new lendlises and island wars at least ... They will try to get by with a little blood again ...
6) World war will change the World Map do not hesitate.

[krpmlws]

Quote: Armeec

Another, unsupported horror story based on the fact that there are many Chinese and few of us. Brad. Once again I declare (I used to work in China) in the near and even distant future of the war with China I DO NOT EXPECT. The author forgets that besides of the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And in 15 years there can be more Indians than Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.

Oh, these prophets ... their fate is sad in their native country. A common logical mistake is to extrapolate the present geopolitical situation to the future, to assume that the world is unchanged. Who will guarantee that in ten years a nationalistic and adventurous government will not come to power in China ?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Armeec

The author forgets that in addition to the disputed islands and Taiwan, China has a serious strategic and ideological adversary, like India. And the Indians through 15 can become more than the Chinese. And in case of war, India will not stand aside. In China, they understand this very well.

Namesake! Totally agree with you. India is our "balancer" against China. And China is well aware of this. Therefore, he will not seek a war on two fronts. Moreover, I have good reason to believe that yours: "I declare (at one time I worked in China) in the near and even distant future, a war with China is NOT FOREIGNED" - coincides with the assessments of "some" structures.

[serge-68-68]

Do not scold the author for something - good fiction. Enter a couple of heroine heroines, increase the volume of pages to 200 and can be published. I remember similar stories (only with the other end) were published in the USSR in the late 30s. And this one can be translated and published in Chinese.
And it’s pointless to discuss this literary exercise.

[Jurkovs]

Homegrown authors post similar books on the Samizdat forum. I downloaded 937 books in one archive, such.

[Sarus]

Soldier. Well, what's the point in the war between China and Russia, India fit in?
What will she have from this? Moreover, Pakistan is a friend of China .. I think that Pakistan will attack India rather than India against China. Then Japan. He will not be for us and this is a fact.
In such a war for Japan, the United States will not harness. Because the help of Japan is accordingly the help of Russia.
And for the United States, Siberia for joint development with China is much more interesting than the central and possibly "nuclear" but empty and hungry China

[erased]

The fact that on June 22, 1941, the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and for several days lost the ability to take meaningful actions is an obvious fact

Crap! It is enough to look at the journal of visits and the hours of reception of Stalin and the work schedule of the General Staff of the Red Army to understand this.
Regarding a possible plan for the capture of China - here it should be considered specialists taking into account the real balance of power, intelligence data and others. Only satellites guarantee the impossibility of a hidden concentration of Chinese forces at the borders. So the author asked a topic, but did not prove it.
For an attempt - 3. For a lie at the beginning - 1. Total - 2.

[Strelok20883]

Yes, well, and the little article .... And the men don’t know! Of course, the Far East should be strengthened not in a childish way, both socially and militarily.

[Humpty]

Why did the author assume that the Chinese are so stupid that something would be so straightforward and open. China borders not only with Russia. There are state entities formally allied with Russia, which are much easier, risk-free goals. They voluntarily surrendered about 4500 km2 at the request of Chinese friends. When everything settles down within the new borders, China will ask again. It’s not a pity for the Chinese and Tajiks for the Chinese. It’s not they who have designated and defended the old borders.

[KG_patriot_last]

The Kyrgyz Republic has territorial claims against China, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Uyghuria and Russia (moreover, to Mongolia and Russia it is more likely historical, 10 and 5 centuries are not short periods, but to the rest centuries old only)
The world just doesn’t know about it.

So it’s not necessary to simplify everything, nobody will just donate their lands. Especially the Kyrgyz who have already survived several dozen genocides and changed dozens of places of residence until they ended up in the mountains ...

[Dober]

Quote: KG_patriot_last

Kyrgyz Republic has territorial claims to China, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Uyghuria and Russia

The grief! And the peasants did not even know (c) ... Surely there is also "June 22" from there.

[Jurkovs]

The author needs fan fiction to write on this topic, but here is a serious forum, and there is no need to cast a shadow over our wattle fence. By the way, thousands of books have been posted on similar topics in Samizdat, I don’t want to read.

[Ruslandeth]

The author, being no Sinologist, did not take into account the fact that China has so many internal contradictions and problems that any more or less large-scale war will simply lead to the collapse of China to a whole bunch of principalities-states.

The author does not at all take into account the presence of tactical nuclear weapons in Siberia and the Far East of Russia - aimed precisely at containing the "five hundred millionth Chinese armada." Even conventional artillery systems are sharpened for the use of stuffed ammunition.

Well, let him think about how the Chinese will supply the "armada" in the absence of infrastructure on our side, in two-meter snowdrifts and -30 frost?

Full of crap. minus

[Ruslandeth]

add - the author also knows nothing about the Taiwan question)

[KG_patriot_last]

Taiwan is China, simply not recognizing the government of the Communists. In any major war, Taiwan will naturally be for the people of China.

And at the moment they have only 2 internal subjects with contradictions: Uiguria and Tibet. There will be no small principalities. Those will struggle for independence.

[fzr1000]

Does Taiwan know about this? What about the US patronage over Taiwan?

[mogus]

a scenario is possible if the politics of the 90s continued ...

[Sarus]

Quote: ATATA

Quote: Sarus

At heart, a worm crept in

This was the main task of the author.
Sow doubt, drive a wedge between Russia and China.
The crystal dream of the United States and the Zionists, this is a war with China until the last Russian soldier.
Those who sow thoughts about the war of the Russian Federation and China, or the enemies of Russia, or did not think seriously on this topic.

My worm is not about war, but about our top leadership ..
That in the event of such a conflict, it will be able to quickly make the necessary decisions ..

[ATATA]

Let someone give an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeat.
The article was written by a little talented science fiction concurrent provocateur.

[Ruslandeth]

tiananmen square defeated his marsh, and now makes good progress)

[tambourine 2012]

Quote: ATATA

Let someone give an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeat.

Alas, before the five-day war, they also spoke about the Jews. Who will say that the Jews do not know how to fight?

[ATATA]

Quote: Tambourine 2012

Alas, before the five-day war, they also spoke about the Jews. Who will say that the Jews do not know how to fight?

Do you always answer a question with a question?
But did Israel have strong opponents?

[tambourine 2012]

Quote: ATATA

But did Israel have strong opponents?

The opponents were quite comparable in power among the Jews, the army was not what it is now, but Egypt, for example, was even very personal

[ATATA]

Quote: Tambourine 2012

Jews had an army that is not what it is now

It’s quite that.

Quote: Tambourine 2012

and Egypt, for example, was even very personal

The concept of discipline was not there either then or now.

[Dober]

Quote: ATATA

an example of at least one war waged by China and at the same time defeated.

All recent wars have been fought by countries with INDUSTRIALIZATION. In the struggle for the development of this very industrialization. China has only come to this line.
Under the influence of the rapid development of capitalism, China - over 80 percent a peasant country - has already entered the historical phase of deking up, when the majority of the rural population becomes unnecessary in either the village or the city. The explosive social energy of this process, which is rapidly ejecting gigantic (in this particular case, billions) human masses from the usual circle of life, is colossal. Who and where will she direct? This force can be both constructive and destructive. For ourselves, who went through forced peeling in the first half of the XNUMXth century, all this is still too memorable for the gigantic construction projects, industrialization, wars of our century, colonization (development) of lands and countries, etc.

With whom will China fight if something happens, whose lands will be “developed”? Take a look at the map, where on our side of the border the population density is less than 2 people per square meter. km., and with Chinese - more than 150, and answer this question yourself. Remembering at the same time that we have already squandered the social energy of our christening, which is given to any nation only once in its entire history. China, in fact, has not yet begun to spend it. We have nothing to oppose him.

Any large-scale conflict with China is simply suicide for us. No options. The times of Damansky Island have passed: we are not the same, China is not the same. In no case can we and should not be on the forefront of Western weapons aimed at the Chinese side. That would be complete insanity, idiocy. Our place is either aloof from the global conflict of the coming century, or, if we can’t go aside, in China’s allies and under its protection. Any other concept, no matter from which it comes, comes either from people who are captivated by illusions, or from those who hope to build an “Anti-Chinese wall” from Russian corpses.

[ATATA]

Quote: Dober

Any large-scale conflict with China for us it's just suicide. Without options.

And for China? Do you consider this option?
And the whole world will calmly watch how China grows in Siberia?
If 150 million people lived in China, would you be afraid of them too? For nuclear weapons, the more people the better! Higher Efficiency.

[Dober]

Quote: ATATA

And for China? Do you consider this option?

Actually, I live in Germany more often. But I plan to live in Russia, not in China. Therefore, I don't give a damn about the Chinese by and large. For example, personally you will not care (if you have to face the Chinese in a full-scale war), who will "grow Siberia" there after the end of hostilities? Certainly not Russia.

Quote: ATATA

For nuclear weapons, the more people the better! Higher Efficiency.

These words should be written on all banners and banners along the entire Russian-Chinese border. With the signature of Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov ...
And declare it publicly to all media. And so that everyone understands, without any reservations and discrepancies there.

Quote: ATATA

If 150 million people lived in China, would you be afraid of them too?

Living in Russia / USSR since birth, I heard this saying "If it weren't for" BY ", then mushrooms would have grown."
There is fear, but there is caution and the ability to anticipate and prepare. And that is a solid U-U-U-kharst. The legacy of the USSR. Somewhere it helps, but in this case it fails.

[ATATA]

Quote: Dober

Actually, I live in Germany more often. But I plan to live in Russia, not in China

You see, what a thing theoretically the probability of a war between the Russian Federation and China, or the Russian Federation and NATO is approximately the same (and you live in Germany !!!). But there will be no winners in any of these wars. And banners are not needed here.
They warn about serious things in a whisper, in your ear ...
Why deny our "partners" rationality.
Everything can be bought for money.

[Dober]

I live with my family in Germany, we rent a small house with my family, but I have RUSSIAN citizenship and passport. And housing in Russia too. And wandering across europia from Sweden to Spain, nowhere and never heard any talk about "a trip to Russia". They are fed up with it.
I said and still say that NATO is more needed by Judeoamers than ordinary Europeans. Here, believe me, and so there are enough "hemorrhoids" without the forthcoming open war with anyone else. A kind of DOG for barking at uncomfortable interlocutors. And NATO will be happy to see how the Kitaises grapple with the Russians. Or vice versa.
I repeat There is no doubt that in the coming century we will witness a tremendous battle for world domination between the two most ancient and original peoples, where the Chinese will be "played" mainly by the Chinese themselves, all the peoples of the West and, in part, the South ( for example, the Turks), and perhaps only the Indians will be able to retain a relatively independent role. The craze of recent years with geopolitics cannot hide the fact that geopolitics is only a projection of ethnopolitics onto a geographical map. Our example confirms this in the best possible way.

The matter is complicated by the fact that both great peoples, Jews and Chinese, are equally deeply - at the level of religious dogma - infected with messianism, so that any compromise is a priori excluded by their national mentality. Once Confucius said: "The day will come and China will conquer the whole world without war." To the Jews, the Old Testament prophets in even more ancient times promised about the same. The time is coming when both of these promises must, in the merciless struggle of the Jewish West and the Chinese East, confirm their truth or "untruth." There will be only one winner here. And the defeated may not remain at all.
Question:
- Not so long ago, Russians with their bodies have already blocked the Jews from their worst enemy in the West? Hitler's Nazism. It cost us millions of lives. Repeat the same in the East?

- Yes. Not. (Underline whatever applicable.)

But is it really bad to prepare?

Quote: ATATA

They warn about serious things in a whisper, in your ear ...
Why deny our "partners" rationality.
Everything can be bought for money.

I apologize of course, but did not understand anything. And as I thought, I’m afraid to misunderstand ...

[ATATA]

Quote: Dober

I apologize of course, but did not understand anything.

It is unfortunate that I could not state the idea clearly.
It meant banners about nuclear weapons at the border.

Quote: Dober

And as I thought, I’m afraid to misunderstand ...

Do not be shy.

[recruit]

The tale is good, but there is a hint in it. There is something to think about.

[nemec55]

Here I am talking about the same, otherwise gentlemen, the minus signers of the article before the Great Patriotic War were the same naive.

[Cat]

Quote: nemec55

gentlemen minuscule article before the Great Patriotic were the same naive

Since then, they must have matured a lot.

[Dober]

There are already three of us. I think others will do the same. When the "Mulien soldiers from China will cross the border by the river" (c). God forbid...

[sergo0000]

Vlad Shurygin. War of Russia and China. Who will win
Type in YouTube. I apologize for the technical inability to lay out.
Here is another opinion.
In fact, you should never relax.

[Dober]

Does this mean?
But on this page there are many links to other videos of Shurygin-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKhqggUZkbU

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

In this situation, the Chinese population in 30 minutes will be reduced to a historical minimum over the past 2000 years! Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit!

[ATATA]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

In this situation, the Chinese population in 30 minutes will be reduced to a historical minimum over the past 2000 years! Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Finished reading in the third paragraph, bullshit!

And you patient, reached the third paragraph

[not good]

By the way, about the coming to the historical minimum of the population. Losses when attacking the prepared defense in average as 1: 6, if the declared mob. China’s potential is estimated at up to 400 million people. Divide by 6; we get the defenders should be about 70 million .. I wonder what kind of mobile potential Russia has today?

[ATATA]

Quote: Negoro

if declared mob China’s potential is estimated at up to 400 million people. Divide by 6; we get the defenders should be about 70 million .. I wonder what kind of mobile potential Russia has today?

Who is claimed?
Do China have 400 million Kalash?
1/6 You did not study at Zhukov? After the appearance of nuclear weapons, this formula is no longer relevant.
400 million army needs to be fed, supplied, and if ....
Have you thought your words through well?

[awg75]

nonsense ... sheer

[vladsolo56]

The question is, why are such articles thrown in? If there is a threat, then only the author of the article knows about it? or maybe the relevant structures too? What does this article carry? what is the meaning? So there is only one answer to all questions, and this is propaganda of distrust, distrust of a neighbor, of an ally. You might think if the authors of such works throw them into the people, something will change. Perhaps China will change its mind and change plans, or what? It has already been explained a thousand times that China has no benefit to attack Russia in the foreseeable future, but there is no super "smart", "knowledgeable" "patriot" who imposes an imaginary threat on everyone. What do such truth-lovers call for, to distrust the authorities, like, look, I'm here to reveal to you a secret that the authorities don't see or don't want to see. To be honest, we got it. It is not clear at all why such materials go to the site.

[ATATA]

Quote: vladsolo56

It is not clear at all why such materials are sent to the site.

But I understand. And you yourself have already answered.

Quote: vladsolo56

this is propaganda of distrust, distrust of a neighbor, an ally.

[vladsolo56]

I meant the administration, the moderators, why they skip this.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vladsolo56

Honestly got it. It is not clear at all why such materials are being sent to the site.

I agree with your post on 300%.
I would like to express my opinion on the question you asked. We need different articles, including those that excite the minds, evoke strong emotions, make them argue, defend (reasonedly!) Their point of view. Otherwise, it will not be a live forum of military lovers, but an "English" club of Her Majesty's admirers. It seems to me something like this. IMHO.

[Igarr]

Is it worth reading further after this - ".. The fact that on June 22, 1941, the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and for several days lost the ability to meaningful actions, - an obvious fact .. "!!!! An obvious fact?"
...
The journal of visits to Stalin’s office suggests otherwise.
Zhukov, in a hurry, composed Directive No. 3.
And all this is June 22nd.
..
With such a fantasy, without straining, it is possible to coordinate - the Afghan Taliban, the various Amirs of the Caucasian Caliphate, the Emirs of the Crimean Bekstvo, which are the thread of the Masters of Great Romania, the Estonian SS-mans who smashed both Das Reich and the Kantemirovsk division equally successfully. Finnish thugs who want revenge for 1940.
What is the author, the poor Chinese are fighting alone?
It does not happen.
At only the USSR has always fought alone.
...
Unconvincing.
..
So let's see what will be done after the current BBO exercises, under the control of GDP.
And - begin to fantasize in a new way.

[Igarr]

Yes guys, I’ll correct myself.
This statement - ".. It was only the USSR that always fought alone." - let's just say, not completely true.
.. And the most important thing ... in this 22.06 2.0 ...
China, it seems, will not even need to fight.
It’s enough to combine. What the Chinese are very good at doing.
..
A year ago, in the summer, in July-August, there was an article here - 330 sq km of disputed territories with China. Just somewhere, if my memory serves me right,
on the border of Tuva and China.
Our ... guarantors ... declared that a commission would be created to resolve border issues.
The commission was probably created. But, the results of her activities - I have not seen.
Maybe someone from the members of the forum will tell you - what is still with this disputed territory?
And, suggests some nasty feeling that ours .. just took and presented - 300 square meters. km .. to the Chinese. To make the bridgehead more comfortable.
...
Putin rolls officials in the Far Eastern Federal District - do not work. Of course they don’t work.
Officials do not work. The military - do not fight. Diplomats - not diplomats.
But what about the border guards?
...
With our ... figures ... the Chinese do not need to fight. Buying is easier. Or just ask.
Convincingly ask.
To make an offer that the bureaucrat will not be able to refuse.
And all business.

[hunting]

in one of its divisions they capture Yakutsk, Astana and Ulan Bator.
They won’t reach Yakutsk, but they will crush mosquitoes

[Valmer]

This scenario has been several years old. Appears regularly on various sites. but there’s the other side of the moon, I’ve found an article about why China will NEVER attack Russia, those who wish can google it, maybe somewhere else.

[dojjdik]

author provocateur of course. For the entire 20 centuries, the Chinese have not made a single attack on their neighbors (there were border conflicts, but were settled immediately), and this despite the most difficult demographic (overpopulation) situation in China; while Israel and the states are waging endless wars for the seizure of resources; that's about whom you should write similar articles

[shark]

In 41, those who predicted the German attack were also laughed at. They were called defeatists and whoopers. Perhaps there are inaccuracies in the details, but I think the course of events is quite real. We should not laugh, but get ready. Completely eliminate all the little things like "substation on the territory of the consulate." , to keep intelligence and counterintelligence in suspense. If we are touched by peace throughout the world, it will be so. And for some reason in the scenario of the end of the war, where the leadership is transferred not small funds does not cause me any doubts. The author is a plus. Not for truthfulness, but as a reminder to keep the powder dry.

[vladsolo56]

Well, you read the article, and began to prepare, list your actions? how exactly did you personally begin to prepare?

[shark]

Probably, it would not be correct to prepare after reading the article. I didn’t quite accurately put it. We must not "relax" to keep our air forces in constant tone.

[vladsolo56]

Well then tell me personally or it depends on me, the article is then offered to us and you, for what? what is its meaning?

[shark]

It’s absolutely useless for you and me. It’s really a scarecrow for the average person and a source of great joy for the bogs. Although, as an analyst in the style of fantasy ... By the way, maybe someone from the power holding will accidentally wander ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: shark

.Do not laugh, but prepare

In my opinion, the leadership does so. But there is such a thing as priority for solving problems and a reserve for solving suddenly arising tasks. This is the basics of management.
I would be the first to reproach the Supreme if everything had been done on the threatened areas, and the Far East and relations with the PRC had not been given due attention with the latter's openly unfriendly behavior.
But while the assessment of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-political leadership of the country, having all the data and expert opinions on this issue, speaks of the need to solve the problem of repelling an aerospace attack by staff in the expectation of a disarming strike against us. And here is a clear priority!
Means, production capacities, labor resources, science - everything is aimed at solving this problem. Since the plans are made up, the scenarios are worked out at KSHU (computer games), the statements of politicians are available, political unions are ready ...
Why should we not take this into account, but prepare for war with a neighbor who offers friendship and support against an attacker, counting on mutual understanding and our help in solving common problems.
And that gunpowder needs to be kept dry and the armed forces are ready - this is understandable to the amateur.

[engineer74]

An article from the field of "vacuum spherical horses": in this situation, NATO (and not only NATO) will be interested in prolonging the active phase of the conflict and the maximum exhaustion of the participants (remember WWII). Then they will clean up both, and China, most likely, with a massive nuclear strike ... And the dreams of the world behind the scenes (whether it exists or not) about Russian resources and the global domination of the West will come true ...
China is unlikely to agree to such a scenario.
Author alarmist or provocateur!
IMHO

[_Igor_]

if you have an opinion write, justify, prove, and unsubscribe like

nonsense ... sheer

and there is delirium

to deny the possibility described in the article is nonsense. first of all, no one says that China will attack us, no one says that we should deliver a preventive strike, but to strengthen the Armed Forces beyond the Urals and not even lead to the temptation of our neighbor with thoughts about the possibility of spoiling such a piece, and please do not forget about the Chinese people living in this area are legally and illegally with such temps soon and there is no need to capture anything (in the past 20 years how many have settled, and now figure out after 20 how many there will be)

Threat for cheers patriotism and hatred, we have repeatedly paid blood and not small, maybe it's time to grow wiser and create at least some conclusions .........

[Pacifist]

I can connect the rare idiocy of the article only with the author's depressive psychosis. For the destruction of China as a battle-worthy country, a few strikes on 4 key facilities are enough. Moreover, 2 of them for objects that do not have military significance. In addition, the military doctrine of Russia was not in vain changed. It now has a wonderful article about the possibility of using nuclear weapons for any facts of aggression against Russia, including the use of nuclear weapons in its territory. In this scenario, the war will really end within a couple of days .... the complete cessation of the existence of China as a state of at least some interest to anyone. China knows this very well, which is why it does not shy much.

[KazaK Bo]

Russia is in the traditional New Year's suspended animation.

... as I understand it, the author suggested introducing the "DRY LAW" on the days of various celebrations (so as not to be in a state of suspended animation)! Original ... but very risky ... for the author! Or maybe he ate that ... the wrong mushrooms when he sat down to write this article ... It is difficult to name this poorly objective work of the author otherwise. To draw such conclusions for such a scenario, it is necessary to allow only war by conventional means, without weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. And this is nonsense ... Do not forget the difference in military potentials, where the obvious superiority in manpower is compensated by our Strategic Missile Forces and ABM and PKO (located mainly not in the Far East). And it’s impossible to start a war by preparing it in 24 minutes, for this you need at least ... that, at the current level of intelligence means, both technical and intelligence, is successfully revealed ... But these are common truths.
The article is naive ... BUT THINKING ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS MAINTAINS! And oddly enough, not at all on the emphasis that the author did!

In these minibuses on the empty Amursky Boulevard, after 5 minutes they reach the station and capture it, immediately cutting, thus, the Trans-Siberian Railway. Another part of the landing turns off Amursky Boulevard on Serysheva Street, capturing the headquarters of the BBO located there.

Just like in 1968, during the DNEPR operation, by “forcing” CZECHOSLOVAKIA to live in socialism. But the Czechs had one "piece of iron", and apart from TRANSIBA we also have BAM. HE was built for this ...

[t-95]

All the same, the author achieved it. Article is discussed, 1. I do not agree about our leaders vacationing everywhere and always 2. Then someone wrote that in the war with Georgia, one was resting, the second was sleeping, and no one knew what to do. Well, that's just the war ended on the 5th day. Apparently the Georgians were offended, they attacked, and the leaders of Russia are resting, they do not pay attention to them. 3. I understand that many people live in China, but present-day China is far from China under Mao. 4. Yes, and I dare to recall that our nuclear potential is still many times greater than Chinese.

[Valery Neonov]

. "The Chinese have not made a single attack on their neighbors for the entire 20 century (there were border conflicts, but they were immediately settled), and this despite the most difficult demographic (overpopulation) situation in China;" Damansky Island to remind you, or the border guards who died during the REFLECTION OF THE ATTACK ON THE USSR, we recall only on May 28, and on August 2, on the day of the Airborne Forces, what do we remember .....
The topic is serious and it is! Of course, it cannot be solved on the site. But the border area with China has never been calm. Who says: Friendship lies, there is no friendship, there is coexistence!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Valery Neonov

, and 2 on August-the day of the Airborne Forces that we recall .....

Let's remember a lot! Including how, in 1968, 6 airborne divisions were raised on alert, loaded into VTA aircraft, and for several hours Mao did not know where they were landing. Our diplomatic workers said that when they told him about this, the great helmsman's lower lip trembled. The USSR only by the threat of the use of the Airborne Forces forced the enemy to stop provocations and withdraw forces from the border. Yes, there was a salvo from the Grad battalion, they say every 10th of those who escaped was shot. But only our airborne forces were able to scare the country's leader to a hiccup. Let's remember this.
And also the guys from the 106th company of the Pskov Airborne Division, where I played in "Zarnitsa" as a kid ...
So don’t worry about it: the Airborne Forces have a glorious history, and the people will have what’s most important, WHO to remember on 2 of August.
"Heroes and their deeds do not die - they live in the hearts of their descendants."

[Valery Neonov]

I would like everyone to read on this thread:see http://www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/8005/73/

[lawyer]

The article is normal, you all attacked the author, maybe something turned the wrong way and you can read it, I just think the Chinese can’t cope with our units so quickly, although there are a lot of them, the Germans took 8 hours to take the Brest Fortress and how much it cost , and in Siberia there are also many cities and they still need to be surrounded and taken, I think the residents will not sit back and wait for the slanting to come to them.

[Ruslandeth]

Personally, I’ll go to the location of the 55th Marine Division (now the brigade, xs under what number) I will ask for an assault rifle and sit in the window of my skyscraper, taking into account the relief in our Vladik - squint-eyed.

The main thing is to have time to send his wife and son to the West of Russia

[vjatsergey]

Slanting is already here in every city in the Far East, look out the window. There are a lot of them in Magadan, we have a small village and there are 30 of them.

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Khramchikhin generally loves to exaggerate, but our General Staff calculates all the possible options for attacking RUSSIA.
The script KHRAMCHIKHIN does not stand up to criticism; I wanted to listen to the opinion of officers of the General Staff of Russia.

[aviamed90]

Lech from ZATULINKI

Quote:
"... however, our General Staff is considering all possible options for an attack on RUSSIA."

Are you sure about that?

[Nitup]

I saw a picture of China and did not even read. Checked. Indeed, Khramchikhin. He always has the USA white and fluffy, and the evil China is about to attack us. Personally, it seems to me that Khramchikhin’s office is an NGO that receives American money and works in their interests.

[leon-iv]

Temple Chi-Hin so in my opinion a drug dealer and did not change)))
And even if it is not original, copy paste and that's all)))

[Tektor]

"Do not shoot the pianist: he plays as he can ..." Khramchikhin only warns. And forewarned means armed ...

[leon-iv]

Whom does he warn housewives?
So let them scare them. There is common sense for everything else

[Nevsky]

This video shows that the Chinese can shoot shells even without the use of guns. It turns out that the Chinese artillery only need boxes with shells, which means that they are very mobile and inconspicuous.

[fzr1000]

They never hit the target. All side by side.

[ATATA]

Quote: Nevsky

It turns out that the Chinese artillery only need boxes with shells, which means that they are very mobile and inconspicuous.

Defend your dissertation on guns no longer needed.

[KG_patriot_last]

All right, terrorists from all over the world thank the Chinese for the idea

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nevsky

the Chinese can shoot shells even without the use of guns.

You will not believe: and clear roads without mine trawls! I, a young officer at that time, was personally struck by the message that during the invasion of Vietnam, a company of Chinese infantry marched in front of the tanks (always in the leg!). The Vietnamese, as expected, mined roads. The Chinese marching ahead of the tanks exploded with enviable regularity on these mines. But, collecting the dead and wounded, the company again lined up in front of the tank and continued to move ...
Such a fanatical and disciplined Chinese soldier was in 1979. What has changed since then in the education of the military if they still consider Mao Zedong the greatest leader of the Chinese people.
And here, even Khramchikhins who did not smell the gunpowder, may publicly doubt the honesty of the country's leadership and transparently hint at its venality ...
Well, he would have remained such an opinion, so he is trying to convince us that this is so. And who is he after all this if not an agent of the Western special services. I mean the "agent of influence" who corrupts the defense consciousness of the population with his fabrications. So Putin was right when he said: it's not 37 now. Here are just who will attend to the moral and psychological preparation of the Armed Forces and the people for the defense of the Motherland.

[regdan]

"AAA we will lose. We are not ready for war. We will be beaten." I often hear and read such words. But I have never heard the answer to my question. "Are those who are going to attack Russia ready to die?"

[kapitan281271]

Well done guys such discussion recently there was not a single article. the problem is it is serious and to think that it is not stupid. And what is the truth now there are multiple launch rocket systems with a range of 400 km almost like Iskander’s.

[regdan]

The fact that on June 22, 1941 the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and for several days lost the ability to take meaningful actions is an obvious fact. The debate on this issue today is actually only about the details of what happened in the last week of June in Moscow. Of course, this state of affairs greatly contributed to the success of the Wehrmacht in the early days of the war.

Well, here the author lies. I read German letters about the first day of the war. They wrote about the horror that awaits them in the USSR. These poor fellows wrote so we got to hell.

[MuadDib]

Cool tale. But Baikal freezes only on January 9th.

[Onotollah]

Quote: MuadDib

9 in January.

More often in late January, early February.

[vlbelugin]

Stupid article. Minus and only minus, author.

[Standard Oil]

If you come up to a person and say: "Bro, sell me oil and gas!", And he answers you: "No problem, here's a bargain price, let's be friends at all!", Then why hit him on the head with a bat to the joy of the one sitting on the other side of the river to a man in a striped hat? The top leadership of the PRC has never been seen at the doorstep of the madhouse, unlike the domestic or American, which are regular customers there with discounts. I don’t even know that the Chinese would start such an adventure, it’s more likely to come out on the coast of Vladivostok Godzilla or aliens will finally arrive. Yes, let's be honest, if China wants it to destroy us, they know it and we know it deep down. But even so, what will it get? Destroyed infrastructure and endless forests, even in its current deplorable state, Russia will poke the Chinese under the ribs with a dagger and if Russia bends over earlier, then China will first bleed out, and sweat will fall down beside him, giving up the ghost. And then the wildest erotic dreams of the United States and Europe will come, which they did not even dare me cht. Do you think the CCP wants to make the dreams of our foreign "friends" come true? Why should they? They would rather just sit on the banks of the river according to Confucius and wait for the corpse of their enemy to float by. And looking at the throwing of the United States, it is quite possible that they are already close to that river.

[ATATA]

Quote: Standard Oil

So that the Chinese would start such an adventure, I don’t even know, rather Godzilla will crawl out on the coast of Vladivostok or the aliens will finally arrive

+++++++++++

[Alexander borey]

The author has long frightened in his articles with the "Chinese threat." This is already a distinctive feature. It is much easier for China to destroy nuclear weapons than Russia, due to the high population density and infrastructure facilities, incl. A nuclear strike against China, even an insignificant one, will bring colossal losses for the PRC, and for the United States it will free its hands and they will finish off China, accusing it of aggression, thereby eliminating the main enemy in the APR. In China, a huge number of chemical and other harmful enterprises, dams, the destruction of which will entail terrible losses and disasters in the PRC. Radiation, pollution of soil and water, the lack of electricity in China will entail even greater losses than directly from a nuclear strike. Panic and epidemics will begin, the Chinese will be demoralized. After destroying key facilities in China, the PLA occupation troops in Russia will be drained of blood without logistical support and communication with the Center. It is likely that there will be no need even to engage with them - the Chinese troops will surrender first. Our forces, incl. and nuclear ones are scattered over an immense territory, which greatly complicates their destruction, while for the Chinese, on the contrary, everything is concentrated in a limited territory. An ideal target. I think Russia will not pull until February: China will be destroyed and crushed within a day or two. After that, unconditional surrender If there is someone else to capitulate. You should also not think that Russia will not dare to use nuclear weapons. It will dare. Here we have a complete advantage. A volley of all missiles from an SSBN alone will bring down all of China in the Stone Age, and even beyond. Not to mention the rest A retaliatory strike will not achieve the desired result, their technologies are still damp, and if Russia at the beginning could have limited itself to a nuclear strike against the PRC of a local nature, then after a retaliatory strike against Russia we will unleash all our might on China. The United States and NATO completely will support Moscow in this. It’s not at all out of kindness of soul, China is like a bone in their throat. Washington, Brussels and Tokyo will be much more pleasant to look at the smoking ruins of China, than its current industrial power. The victory will certainly be with Russia, although focal losses are not excluded, but they will not be as catastrophic as in the PRC. Comrade Khramchikhin, you need to write books on a post-apocalyptic topic. Your article does not stand up to serious criticism, but as a one-day the horror story will do.

[Ruslandeth]

I absolutely agree with you! with a massive PLA invasion, the question of the use of nuclear weapons against the PRC will arise within the first 2-4 days.

and then our government will be tested for lice. merge DV or "at random". If it merges, this power will not remain for long, and "at random" - the Chinese are 100% captive.

The Chinese understand this and no one will open the Pandora's box. The maximum is a pen test in cross-border conflicts like Damansky, in order to test the resolve of our military-political leadership.

But in the current strategic partnership, this is unthinkable. Yes, and there was such a cross-border conflict - recent BBO exercises have shown that at the very least, in a threatened period, we can show our teeth. And who gets to beat the Russians who are waiting for a strike? No such boobs

[Alexander borey]

Also worth mentioning are the terrible fires that will erupt in China after a devastating nuclear strike, and will rage for several months, as well as nuclear torpedoes capable of washing away the entire coastal infrastructure of the PRC along with the population and the fleet. In such a scenario, the huge population of China will lose relevance. , on the contrary, it will play against the Chinese themselves. Massive intestinal infections, disinfection, typhus and other "bouquets" will overwhelm the already destroyed China. Panic and confusion will be everywhere, the population of China will leave the subordination of their authorities and will rush in agony. Bookers will also not sit for a long time, as soon as the supplies run out - everyone will die. It is also possible that an outbreak of cannibalism and massacres among the Chinese population for food, water and even such things as matches, medicines, essentials and so on in China against this background. The leadership of the People's Republic of China is not stupid and will not take such a suicidal step as an attack on Russia. In this case, the People's Republic of China will become a rogue state, in complete isolation and a military blockade from all sides. The Chinese have no allies in the world except Russia, and Mr. Khramchikhin is only cloned one of his previous phantasmagoric publications, absolutely not taking into account the strategic balance of forces and the geopolitical situation in the world. Of course, it is pointless to fight the Chinese with conventional forces and weapons, I remind Mr. Khramchikhin that the strategic nuclear forces of Russia are the basis of the Russian armed forces and the guarantor of security, independence and integrity According to the Military Doctrine, we have the right to use nuclear weapons first, it should not be forgotten either. What we will do if necessary. But the INF Treaty must be revived, and not delayed. Not because of China, of course, but in general.

[Alexander borey]

Expert: China has no chance in a hypothetical nuclear war with Russia. Short and clear.
http://warfiles.ru/34981-ekspert-u-kitaya-net-shansov-v-gipoteticheskoy-yadernoy
-voyne-s-russia.html

[Sobol]

And I liked Sergey Anisimov's "Option Bis" more!

[1536]

Here is a quote from the statements of I.V. Stalin: Russia was "beaten by everyone - for backwardness. For military backwardness, for cultural backwardness, for state backwardness, for industrial backwardness, for agricultural backwardness. They beat Russia because it was profitable and went with impunity. Remember the words of the pre-revolutionary poet:" You are poor , you are abundant, you are powerful, you are also powerless, Mother Russia. "
The above article is certainly laughable. We are already accustomed to laughing at ourselves, feeling who is our strength, who is hopelessness from what is happening, who is simply because laughing at our country today is a kind of state policy that has been pushed by the media for many years. Yes, and we are not so backward today. But it seems to me that the Chinese, and everyone else, do not attack us today, not because they fear us or respect us, but simply because they do not want to. Those who want, declaring that "the Russians alone will not manage the riches of Siberia", etc. statements today on the second-third roles in politics.

[d_trader]

The article is the sweet dream of a liberalist.

[Kowalsky]

Rave. A maximum of 24 hours after the outbreak of such a war, especially if everything develops according to the worst-case scenario for Russia, will be followed by a massive nuclear strike against China. And then the Chinese military campaign will lose all meaning due to the fact that possible trophies will not pay for the losses incurred.

[dc120mm]

Looks like a Hollywood movie script

[HF]

FULL Crap!

[gansik]

Complete nonsense! Russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons no matter how many launchers the enemy has, but the nuclear winter will not spare anyone

[simpleton]

The author is right, a thousand times right. In fact, everything will be much harsher and more prosaic. All strategic agreements are always needed until the moment when their necessity ceases for one of the parties. In this world there is a law of the owner of his word: If you want, you give your word, if you want, you take it back. The actions of the Chinese will be fast, tough and decisive. For them, the return, or rather the seizure of the Far East, is one of the mandatory national and historical missions of the Chinese people. They cannot be trusted in anything, except for one thing - the desire to unfurl the banners of Genghis Khan and correct the “historical mistake” lives in the blood of almost all Chinese.

[KG_patriot_last]

Chyngyz Khan was a Mongol and the Chinese were defeated by him. They cannot, even if they want to, fight with the Mongol banners unfurled.

[Yuri Y.]

If without hysteria on the one hand (ahhh Amer’s provocateur) and on the other
(ahhh we're all going to die) then it seems to me that there is still a problem (some weakness
Far Eastern region). Provocateurs, as a rule, take advantage of commonly existing problems. The government apparently realizes this. As it was noted that GDP
It’s spinning there, the teachings are the same.

[Tuzik]

I don’t understand why China should invade Russia with the help of the military, it’s already not bad for them to send a million of their citizens a year to us for permanent residence, buy territories, in 10 years just start demonstrations with the participation of 5-10 million Chinese for protecting the rights of the Chinese ... and that's it, the next president of Russia will be some kind of Liao san. And it made me laugh about Japan, but not only will China give them the Kuril Islands, it will chop off everything else if it defeats Russia)

in general, an article from the category of alternative fiction, it seems Savitsky also riveted a series of books, only there the jingoistic patriots won everything)

[Goldmitro]

It must be assumed that the Chinese leadership, as well as ours, perfectly understand and are aware that, given the astronomical superiority in the number of trained and equipped Chinese armed forces, no deployments or redeployments of Russian armed forces are CAPABLE of stopping the Chinese avalanche in the event of a large-scale attack by China using conventional weapons and therefore IMMEDIATELY against it Russia will be forced to use the full power of its nuclear weapons, which can simply wipe China off the face of the earth! AND ONLY THIS, and not some treaties, is holding back China! In addition, the Chinese are great masters of achieving their goals “on the sly,” which they do systematically, without advertising, settling our Far East and other regions, taking advantage of the complacency of our authorities. So soon the predominant population there will be CHINESE with all the ensuing consequences! And all this is quiet and “peaceful” without the use of aircraft! This, and not an attack, is the REAL danger for Russia, from China, which, it seems, the authorities still DO NOT RECOGNIZE!

[Alex Nick]

Now, now you need to learn Chinese. I don't know how to say "hands up" in Chinese

[Ruslandeth]

without advertising, populating our Far East and other regions, taking advantage of the complacency of our authorities.

I live in Vladivostok. Objectively, there are fewer Chinese than our smaller brothers from Central Asia

[Wolverine67]

Quote: redwolf_13

And who told you that the PRC will not respond to the blow? And they have something. Don't forget that China is already building its own icebreakers and reinforced ice-type vessels. Disputing Russia's right to the northern route. Although the maps and directions of the northern route in 1999 were declassified and transferred to the "world community". So imagine, in addition, the landing from the north along the Lena and Ob rivers. I will say one thing if the Chinese really want it, then they will take the Far East and South Siberia and Kazakhstan in addition.

.... dear commentators, I won’t say anything about Primorye and Khabara, but you have a hard time imagining the northern regions of central Siberia, you can still send small groups of specialists, but landing a full-fledged assault force there, only to capture ports along the northern coast, about moving inland territory from North to South is out of the question. And about the central regions, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory we have a remarkable village called Stary Badzhey, and what makes it remarkable is that it was never conquered by anyone, neither white nor red, everyone disappeared along the road (about 100 km from Krasnoyarsk). Soviet power was established there only after they offered the local leader to become the chairman of the District Executive Committee, and since then only locals have been there, strangers either have to somehow get along with them or disappear in the taiga. And it was called the Baja Republic, so of course there are a lot of Chinese, but in Mother Siberia you can build a lot of such republics. By the way, the “winter road” is very easily destroyed with the use of explosives, but restoring it is problematic (material must be transported from afar) - this is about the capture of Yakutsk (generally nonsense in my opinion)

[slaventi]

The article is controversial. China is a real danger. I live next to the border with China. The Chinese are more united and nationalistic. They are cunning and it is unknown what the Chinese smile hides. Their economy is on the rise, it is already the second largest in the world in terms of GDP. China spends huge amounts of money “more than Russia” for the arsenal of its army, copies complex weapons systems. They have nuclear weapons and delivery systems. And it’s not known exactly how many. Why should China look for resources in Africa and the Middle East when they have sparsely populated Siberia at their doorstep. There are many Chinese “government workers and traders” in Russian cities; surely some of them will be used in the event of an invasion.
China will attack only when it feels its relative impunity. Most likely, this could happen after an exchange of nuclear strikes between Russia and the United States. In light of recent events in the Middle East and possible destabilization in the North Caucasus, this is quite possible. When Russia's potential is undermined so much, which will give China the opportunity to invade.
To avoid this or minimize losses in Russia, it is necessary to strengthen sovereignty, get rid of liberals and American agents in power, recreate the state ideology, invest in the real economy, and not in American bonds. Strengthen the country's defense capability, revive the BZHRK, withdraw from the Medium Missile Treaty range.

[zMouze]

China is not a homogeneous, monolithic state; there are a lot of nationalities, plus a pronounced social stratification.
Any sufficiently strong economic or social shock is a disaster for the Chinese Communist Party, as well as for the entire state.
A huge population is a plus when you need to produce something..
But at the same time, this is a minus when it is necessary to pacify a hungry, dissatisfied crowd, divided by ethnic and social indicators.
Targeted strikes on strategic objects such as dams, power plants, large cities. And there will be such chaos in a state with a billion that need to be fed and housed somewhere. Not so simple...

[Dober]

Quote: zMouze

China is not a homogeneous, monolithic state; there are a lot of nationalities, plus a pronounced social stratification.

It’s a mistake to think so, if not to say “talk nonsense” about the lack of consolidation of China in the event of something happening...
What gives China special strength is its almost mono-ethnic population, which has five millennia of the most advanced and sophisticated cultural tradition in the world behind it. Non-Chinese admixture to the Han base, localized mainly in the Xinjiang-Uyghur region and Tibet, amounts to only slightly more than 8%. In many of their qualities, the Chinese are, so to speak, “yellow Jews.” Recent events in Indonesia have suddenly and dramatically highlighted the fact that the Chinese - four percent of the population of this large country - control 80% of the national capital. The situation is similar in Malaysia, etc., which allows us to talk about a specific algorithm for the economic expansion of the Han people. The multimillion-strong Chinese diaspora has gradually gained a strong position in the United States, France, and other European countries, and has begun to expand into Russia. Following Hong Kong, Singapore, Macau, and Taiwan are awaiting reunification with the “mother” nation.

Quote: zMouze

Any sufficiently strong economic or social shock is a disaster for the Chinese Communist Party, as well as for the entire state.

Unlike Russia and most countries of the world, there is practically no influential Jewish “fifth column” in China. Attempts to change this state of affairs have so far been unsuccessful: “The Chinese authorities officially recognize Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism, but believe that there is no point in officially registering Judaism, since there are no Jews in China.
So “to rein in the Uyghurs (local Caucasians)” is a matter of one month. The leaders of the Communist Party will not be shitty liberals. In the event of a conflict (with Russia), the howling of “human rights” organizations will not give a damn. Doesn't it remind you of something from the times of the USSR?

Quote: zMouze

A huge population is a plus when you need to produce something.

Already posted here...

[Zopuhhh]

Quote: DC 3

By the way, I want to remind you that China was not afraid to fight in Korea in the 1950s with the Americans, who dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, is this not enough?? China fought with almost all its neighbors, is that not enough??

There is only one point here. At that time, they had nothing to lose. And now there is...
No one in the current leadership of China has any desire to get involved in a war where it is almost guaranteed that they will be struck by a nuclear strike!

[SmacXnumx]

Complete nonsense, it gives the impression that the author is not entirely adequate.

[Tektor]

If we treat the article as a “warm-up for the mind,” then the article represents actions during an exercise, when the attacked side does not respond in any way, and the “China” systematically and methodically implements its plan...
I believe that in the situation described, the first minutes will be the most important!!! conflict. If, within the first 20 minutes, we manage to use chemical weapons against Chinese troops who are still in the front line, and also strike with high-precision cruise missiles throughout the entire depth of Chinese territory (the number of missiles is very important here: there should be thousands of them), then terrible for us the end may not happen... The main goal is the Chinese leadership: political and military, as well as energy facilities and energy warehouses... I would also like to put a solar mirror into orbit, as was played out in one of the Bond films, and with with his help to melt the glaciers of the Himalayas so that the floods would wash the Chinese into the ocean. It is also possible to detonate charges in the Chinese and other seas in order to organize a tsunami on the densely populated Chinese coast.

[Smersh]

nonsense and more nonsense, but the author’s imagination is fine, not everyone can come up with something like that

[Bigriver]

The persistence with which Mr. Khramchikhin has been frightening ordinary people with the Chinese threat for the 2nd decade makes me think that he is engaged in propaganda in the interests of a certain side.
Not a single material, and I read more than 4 of them (on the topic of the Chinese threat), always lacks reference points: the goals of Chinese expansion and the outfit of forces.
In addition, Mr. is not only weak, he has no idea at all about the density and state of the transport network of the Far East region.

[Burbur]

It’s not comme il faut to even comment on this nonsense.

[rocknrolla]

Any major war will destroy China as a state. But the point is not even this, not the economy, and not only the economy. Any major war for China today – even a non-nuclear one – is mortally dangerous and will destroy it as a state. China today is not protected even from conventional weapons, not to mention nuclear ones. Two-thirds of China's population lives in a small part of its territory, in the lower reaches of three major rivers. Several hundred million Chinese live in flooded areas, and in the event of a massive dam failure, entire Chinese provinces will perish and disappear from the face of the earth. Agriculture will also disappear, everything built on water regulation and impossible without it, and industry in these areas. Moreover, industries necessary for the simple physical survival of the population, such as food, will disappear.

China can conquer Russia. But only if there is no Army, Atomic Bomb and Russian people left in Russia. Imagining Russia today without nuclear weapons is the same as imagining Russia without an army at all and building from this your own cozy geopolitical forecast, where the Russians suffer defeat after defeat. But the Russians, alas, have nuclear weapons - no matter how much some KU fans might want the opposite. Today it is impossible to ignore the factor of nuclear weapons. This is almost the same as imagining that in Russia there are neither the Russian people nor the Russian army, and making forecasts for the Russian-Chinese conflict based on this circumstance. I understand that many would like this. But I don’t understand why they are discussing with “well-known analysts” who put forward forecasts, calculations and theories of the “Russian-Chinese conflict”, in which nuclear weapons (even tactical ones!) do not exist, rather than handing them over to a cozy yellow house with orderlies.

Let's also discuss the prospects of modern medicine without antibiotics, for example. And the terrible “microbial threat”. After all, there are “billions of microbes.” Since there are antibiotics, we need not be afraid of billions of microbes. Since there are nuclear weapons, there is no need to be afraid of any billions and no countries with a population of a billion. Power is no longer in billions.

And most importantly:

Stories about “China's growing population density”, because of which they (supposedly) are absolutely obliged to be aggressive and take away other people's lands, are a myth for poorly educated people. In terms of population density, China ranks approximately tenth in Asia (among notable countries), three times behind South Korea, two and a half times behind Japan, and two times behind India, the Philippines, Vietnam and the DPRK in terms of population density. Even Pakistan, which for some reason no one ever considers too overpopulated, is much more densely populated than China. If China must be aggressive, then why is the much more densely populated India, with its population of one billion, not at all aggressive? Why is Bangladesh not aggressive, where the population density is eight times higher (!) than in China?

Etc. etc... Very good material on this topic is completely here

http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/865216/

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I read the title, looked at the map, immediately decided to look at the author, I GOT IT Khramchikhin has an obsession, apparently when he gets drunk he sees green Chinese everywhere

[Dober]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I GUESSED Khramchikhin’s obsession,

.
That's all. The “great strategist and specialist in Russian-Chinese relations,” Mr. Vladimir Vasilenko, has run out of reasons and arguments. There are still conjectures about the mental state of the author of the article, his moral and ethical character.
And with that we give thanks. We are now waiting for your article “ABOUT KHRAMCHIKHIN”.

[ATATA]

Quote: Dober

And with that we give thanks. We are now waiting for your article “ABOUT KHRAMCHIKHIN”.

Why guess?!
A video with this prominent military leader has been posted here.
Everything is very clearly visible there.

[Dober]

Quote: ATATA

Everything is very clearly visible there.

I’m not inclined to look for all sorts of “THERE” in every video.
I see no point in arguing. I suggest entering a phrase into the search, for example, “does China pose a real military threat to Russia?” or something like that. Read, analyze. You can ignore Khramchikhin specifically, without him there is a lot of things that are reasonable, but different from the views of many present here.

[ATATA]

Dear, I’m already tired of describing the likely scenario of a war between the Russian Federation and China.
The point is that to destroy China in the event of war, the Russian Federation does not need anything other than the political will of the leadership.
One blow to their largest dams on the Yangtze River and half of China will be washed away into the Pacific Ocean.

Quote: Dober

I see no point in arguing. I suggest entering a phrase into the search, for example, “does China pose a real military threat to Russia?” or something like that

Without political will, even Georgia poses a real military threat to Russia.
Do you need personal guarantees from Putin that he will use nuclear weapons if that happens?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dober

I’m not inclined to look for all sorts of “THERE” in every video

and you don’t have to look for enough to analyze the information you receive, you know what the steppe is like in a snowstorm in winter, and Khromchikhin sends armies through it

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

brilliant, but should I object to the topic or vice versa?

[Dober]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

brilliant, but should I object to the topic or vice versa?

I don’t pretend to be a genius, but the teachers at school set me up as an example for others. And on topic. If you put together what I’ve written here, it’s already enough for an article. What else do you want?
But yours, Vladimir Ivanovich, five lines are clearly not enough to express your position on the issue. But it was enough to accuse the author of... Well, you understand...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

This is not the apptor’s first article (far from recent), why discuss something that has been discussed a hundred times, if the apptor, without knowing the climatic conditions or anything else, describes the events and how one can relate to it.
out of curiosity, I looked at a photo of the stadium where the Chinese special forces are “hatching” and which is illuminated with spotlights by the Chinese from their consulate, the question immediately arose (unfortunately I did not find a photo of the consulate) what are the number of storeys of this building, there are so many mistakes in the article, outright stupidity that discussing it in seriously, it makes absolutely no sense, I posted the video on purpose, there the apptor contradicts himself in three words, showing ignorance of the topic he is discussing

[Dober]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

This is not the apptor’s first article (far from recent), why discuss something that has been discussed a hundred times, if the apptor, without knowing the climatic conditions or anything else, describes the events and how one can relate to it.

Okay, Vl. Ivanovich. This is not worth discussing. Just the author's "fantasies". For imagery. And here is an overview of the situation in the PLA with a projection on the Russian Armed Forces. Pay attention to the “similarity” of the equipment and remember how the “samples” came from and from whom.

http://polnyi-pisec.info/category/kitaj/milliony-soldat-plyus-sovremennoe-vooruz
henie-kitajskaya-armiya-menyaet-orientiry/

Look, doesn’t it make you think about who we are “friends” with and what this “friendship” has given us.

And here’s a quote from another “person in the know.” What is in doubt???
"We have no chance in an ordinary war. Unfortunately, nuclear weapons do not guarantee salvation either, because China has it too. Yes, we still have superiority in strategic nuclear forces, but they have been rapidly declining recently. Unlike the Chinese. At the same time, we do not have medium-range ballistic missiles, while China does have them, which almost eliminates their gap in intercontinental ballistic missiles (which is also shrinking). The ratio of tactical nuclear weapons is unknown, but we must understand that we will have to use them on our own territory. As for the exchange of strikes of strategic nuclear forces, the Chinese potential is more than enough to destroy the main cities of European Russia, which they do not need (there are many people and few resources). There are very strong suspicions that, understanding this, the Kremlin will not agree to use nuclear weapons. Therefore, nuclear deterrence against China is as much a myth as its technological dependence on us."

As for the photos of Khabarovsk. Here they are from the plane. Calculate the number of floors yourself. I think the Kitais have already looked and figured it out.

http://dkphoto.livejournal.com/300902.html
http://dkphoto.livejournal.com/247065.html

Crossroads of Lenin and Volochaevskaya streets.
Partially hidden by a stretcher, the building in the classicist style is the headquarters of the 11th Air Force and Air Defense Army. However, it seems that border guards and the Ministry of Emergency Situations are also located there.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

let's start with the photo
I don’t understand why you provided links to these photo sketches, you need specific buildings that the apptator refers to.

Now, further, both you and the “analyst” make your calculations approximately as in physics or chemistry, taking a closed system in AI, but in addition to China and Russia, it is necessary to take into account a lot of third-party factors.
what will the states do in this situation? They are absolutely not interested in one-sided strengthening, especially through war, of neither us nor the Chinese, which means they will intervene, what will the Indians do? They also have territorial graters with the Chinese, what will the Japas do, there are internal factors about which I already wrote this: Tibet and SUAO are Taiwan.
about the fact that nuclear weapons in relation to the Chinese is a myth, again you proceed without taking into account external factors, as if in the conflict Russia simply loses Siberia and everything remains unchanged, any leadership understands that this is not so and in this case they have the chance to hang on the nearest lamppost and etc. and so on.

and most importantly, no one explained clearly and clearly, and to hell with the Chinese themselves, what are the motives

[Dober]

Let's briefly summarize.
Let's start with the fact that the majority on the forum rushed to discuss not the very possibility/impossibility of what was being described, but the style of presentation and some inaccurate details. In my opinion, the mention of the beginning of the Second World War was used as an allegory for (not) particularly impressionable readers. Let’s leave it out... There are also “nitpicking” about specific buildings and “floors”. That's not the point...

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I don’t understand why you provided links to these photo sketches, you need specific buildings that the apptator refers to.

I don't insist on studying. Maybe one of the Khabarovsk residents will point out the mentioned buildings from the photographs. Not sure though...

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

It is necessary to take into account a lot of third-party factors.

Agree. But taking them all into account is very difficult, if not impossible. A tactical technique from a childhood fight comes to mind. “Two are fighting - don’t interfere with the third, but see how it ends. Then according to your own, predetermined goals and circumstances.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

any management understands that this is not so and in this case they should hang from the nearest lamp

This is if the government is with the PEOPLE, lives “at the distance of an outstretched (people’s) hand and cares(?) for the future of the people. But this topic is not within the scope of the discussion.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and most importantly, no one explained clearly and clearly, and to hell with the Chinese themselves, what are the motives

Alternative opinion of Wasserman (found it offhand). I am sure that if his article had appeared here on the site, it would have caused at least as many “broken copies.” There would be many “experts” in bashing everyone and everything.

http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikday/84863-anatoliy-vasserman-zheltaya-opasno
st-chego-nado-boyatsya-vmesto-kitaya.html

PS I would agree with the opinion "sapsan"(bottom comment on the page). By the way, he closed the discussion.
This is what I offer to us. There will be another “reason” to grind something similar.

[Perch_xnumx]

The Chinese threat will turn into a real war in 20-23 years. Moreover, at first there will be a peaceful expansion - the settlement of Siberia by the Chinese, assimilation, the Chinese will marry Russians, on one not very good day for Russia, the Chinese will strike from their peaceful enclaves in Siberia, where forces and weapons will be secretly concentrated, and will also probably strike with their strategic weapons. Thus, Siberia will be instantly occupied and its cities will reach the Urals, Russia will respond with what is left and the world meat grinder will begin.
Don’t trust the Chinese who bring gifts, the Chinese in Russia are a Trajan horse, whom we ourselves will drag into the breach of the wall.

[Alexandr73]

The author of the site made a mistake. he needs to write in the alternative fiction genre. It's not 1917, what's the point of seizing the station? I forgot about mail. While the Russian Post is working, the connection is not lost . But seriously, modern war is not built on the principle of army against army, lined up with a bayonet. What will they feed this horde with? What about delivering ammunition? and to cut off the supply you need several platoons. Further. The most densely populated areas of Russia are from China, like cancer to China. There is no point in bombing Siberia for the Chinese, but bombing the European part of the air defense will not work. The main air defense is also on the European part. And the fact that the management is on vacation, let them go for a walk, the radars have duty officers for that. In short, nonsense.

[Perch_xnumx]

There is no point in bombing Siberia for the Chinese, but bombing the European part of the air defense will not work. The main air defense is also on the European part.

No air defense will save you from a massive strike of 2-3 thousand cruise missiles, plus a strike by ballistic missiles. The aggressor is held back by the fear of a retaliatory strike. Secondly, in two decades, the PLA will be one of the leading armies in the world, this means new types of weapons that are now only being considered in the future, stealth cruise missiles with low flight altitude, hypersonic missiles, hypersonic maneuvering warheads of ballistic missiles, etc.. Yes, even you Now you can compare the Noak and the Russian army, what is the advantage - only in nuclear weapons, for now.

What will they feed this horde with?

They will feed you what they take from you. And they will live where you lived before. In Siberia and the Far East there will be densely populated ethnic enclaves of Chinese, from which cities and power structures will be captured overnight. Logistics through bases in Central Asia, of which China will build many. China will settle down in Central Asia like a master.

It's not 1917, what's the point of seizing the station? I forgot about mail. While the Russian Post is working, the connection is not lost.

Why a station, a post office? Blow up the backbone cables and fiber optic backbones and that's it. Jam radio communications, jam or destroy communications satellites.

[ATATA]

Quote: Perch_1

which are now only being considered in the future, stealth cruise missiles with low flight altitude, hypersonic missiles, hypersonic maneuvering warheads of ballistic missiles, etc.

And Russia already has it! What will Russia have in 2 decades?
The difficult years are behind us!

Quote: Perch_1

They will feed you what they take from you.

And we don’t need to feed 1,5 lard. So what the harsh and numerous Chinese invaders will eat is not entirely clear.

Quote: Perch_1

Why a station, a post office? Blow up the backbone cables and fiber optic backbones and that's it. Jam radio communications, jam or destroy communications satellites.

Do they not have cables? After all, we are also experts at blowing up.
But you are right about one thing, we don’t have dams like the Chinese have on the Yangtze River.
If you hit this dam with one cruise missile, half of China will be washed away into the Pacific Ocean.
Calm down, the Chinese are much smarter than the Poles and will not quarrel with the Russians.

[Arabist]

What science fiction writers are disappearing, how many domestic masterpieces he could have written. But alas, he only writes Celestial horror stories.

[Ilya Mikhalych]

What nonsense? If the author had written the same thing, but about the intervention of Middle Eastern countries on the territory of Gayropa, then it would have been more like the truth.

[bremest]

You can have different attitudes to this scenario, but the United States and NATO are doing everything to strengthen China and weaken Russia, including by imposing all sorts of treaties on limiting tactical nuclear weapons and ground forces. This ultimately has only one goal: to provoke China into attacking Russia. We will destroy each other, and the West will stand aside and rub its hands......

[irkut_38]

"In a fairy tale there is a lie, but in it there is a HINT..."

[chenia]

China has clearly indicated the vector of its political expansion - the Pacific region, Southeast Asia. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan are rushing about (China will softly eat it, like its own), and these are countries under US protectorate. In addition, China is becoming the main economic competitor to the states (and this cannot be forgiven).
But the Starstriped Papuans themselves do not want to get involved in a direct conflict, and will try to palm off Russia.

And China understands this; it has no desire to enter into confrontation with a country that has military traditions that are “bad” for invaders. And he understands that in the event of a conflict, the United States will become the best friends (without quotes) of Russia. And it is realistic to provide enormous MATERIAL assistance, and at the end of the conflict (as always), even military assistance.

And then a weakened Russia will suddenly find itself unable to cope with the “world heritage”, i.e. natural resources. And again they will “help” (now in quotes).

[Master Taiga]

I have not read such nonsense for a long time.
There are many questions for the author. Question one: where will China’s gigantic army on the border come from and remain unnoticed? Teleports? Or will ours not care about the news of the gathering horde? Yes, as soon as this process begins, the bells will be rung.

[Muadipus]

Gee.. If China's million-strong army concentrates on the border, then not We, but the Americans will immediately launch a Nuclear strike on it. Bach. and there is no million-strong Chinese Army. And there is an absolutely obedient third world country with a developed economy, populated by 2 billion slaves, selflessly working for the good of democracy :)

[Dober]

Quote: Taiga Master

I have not read such nonsense for a long time.
There are many questions for the author. Question one: where will China’s gigantic army on the border come from and remain unnoticed? Teleports? Or will ours not care about the news of the gathering horde? Yes, as soon as this process begins, the bells will be rung.

This is what is called “the elderly trombonist, from exertion, kicked so hard in the orchestra pit that the whole orchestra lost its rhythm.”
We have already written many, many times about Chinese concrete highways both towards Russia and Kazakhstan, about multi-kilometer tunnels in which you can hide anything you want and cannot be seen from any satellite. They also talked about Chinese motorized infantry and tank troops. Should we talk about the newest concrete road along the border, which is essentially a front-line road for the rapid transfer of troops? Will you find it yourself?
The ONLY thing that is “underdeveloped” in China is modern aviation. But with their speed of development and economy, they will overcome (surpass) this gap in 25-30 years. And Russian “loving” suppliers will “help”. Su-ki...

Look at the link to the photos of the equipment on the left. Yes, there was no trace of this in China ten years ago, but now they have unique military vehicles.-

http://www.popmech.ru/article/6543-kitay-protiv-rossii/

[Max]

I liked the objectionable comments to the comments about the Chinese with Mongolian banners (the Mongols, on the contrary, fought the Chinese as best they could) and the comments about the consequences of the exchange of nuclear weapons (no one will remain on the sidelines after this. Both the Indians and the Japanese and of course the United States will try to realize their interests)
A war between Russia and China will lead to the defeat of both countries.

[aviamed90]

The author is thinking in the right direction, but the description of the invasion leaves much to be desired.

[LEAN_MK]

You don't have to read after the first four paragraphs.

[Check]

just let's not drink these days, and the plan will come to naught))

[Cat]

"Oh, these storytellers"

[Volkhov]

China is an ally, its troops will invite you, North Korea is an enemy, and the main thing in a modern war is that its population is not informed about it, that is, you can find out about it by changing patrols, passes and money.

[Garysit]

The author should have opened in the archives the journals of the secretariat's records about the time schedule for meetings and calling the relevant bosses and management to Stalin's office, so as not to wishful thinking. There was no shock on June 22, there was no time. All this is liberal nonsense from templechikhinvkh and others like him. There is nothing to say about the rest - custom-made attempts to embroil us with China. Although, thanks to Serdyukov’s transformations, the territories beyond the Urals are indeed open to invasion, plus a fifth column...

[Muadipus]

1. The article is nonsense and a provocation for the sake of a dying thane.
2. China is formidable. Yes and only. (IMHO it was created precisely for the sake of the Chinese.)
3. “Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat.” You need to guard your borders everywhere and always.
4. Thanks to our fathers and grandfathers, they left us a good legacy: vast expanses, glorious military traditions, love for the Motherland, faith in any Victory, faith in the Greatness and invincibility of our people and ... special thanks for Nuclear Weapons.

And 5. They didn’t dare to attack us in the 90s... that’s it. the moment is lost.

Threat. I was joking about weapons of mass destruction and the Chinese. :)

[IRBIS]

Appeal to the RF Ministry of Defense, Army General S.K. Shoigu
"Dear Sergei Kozhugedovich"! In connection with the reforms carried out by A. Serdyukov, there is a shortage of analysts, strategists and tacticians at various levels in the army. Please visit the Military Review website and choose candidates who are most suitable in terms of the scope of their thinking and the grandeur of their plans for the combat use of our troops. You will be especially pleased with the specialists in the use of nuclear weapons, including on their own territory. In addition, candidates have one life credo - “always”! It’s okay if they sometimes spit at each other, here on the site you will find good educators and psychologists. Sincerely."

[Cat]

Quote: IRBIS

"Dear Sergei Kozhugedovich"! In connection with the reforms carried out by A. Serdyukov, there is a shortage of analysts, strategists and tacticians at various levels in the army. Please visit the Military Review website and choose the ones most suitable in terms of the scope of their thinking and the grandeur of their plans for the combat use of our troops. You will be especially pleased with the specialists in the use of nuclear weapons, including on their own territory. In addition, candidates have one life credo - “always”! It’s okay if they sometimes spit at each other, here on the site you will find good educators and psychologists. Sincerely."

Z.Y. On their basis, we strongly recommend forming analytical, educational and psychological companies.

Z.Z.Y. Commentators whose opinions do not coincide with those of moderator Romanov are forced to be sent to educational companies.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Gato

On their basis, we strongly recommend forming analytical, educational and psychological companies.

A couple more of these “debates” and we’ll have to expand the companies to regiments.

[anarch]

Quote: fzr1000

They never hit the target. All side by side.

An idea came up. A little crazy.
Because The People's Republic of China is a copier country - throw in a piece of paper with genetically corrupted information, let them copy it.
They had epics with sparrows and cast iron.

[tanit]

What are the statistics for recent years, let alone since 1945? The sons of Mikado and who did they throw knives at? Oh... conquer, oh, conquer...

[Muadipus]

that Chinese radio and TV have been broadcasting for several hours now: the two-hundred-year period of humiliation of the great Chinese nation by the imperialist powers is finally over. The nation has regained its former greatness

Sorry, "past" what...??? Greatness?? Did I miss something?? My very modest knowledge of Chinese history allows me to believe that today China is at the peak of its historical “greatness”. Before this, China was beaten by everyone. Probably the ancient people had great knowledge in genetic engineering and developed aggressiveness in their genes. Because with such unique fertility, the entire planet would have long ago become one united China.

[Odysseus]

It is immediately clear that the author is Khramchikhin .On the essence of the topic
1) It is not clear why the PRC needs such hemorrhoids. They already get everything they need from today’s Russia.
2) It is impossible to hide the concentration of PLA troops on the border. So, with all our current chaos, an invasion will not come as a complete surprise.
3) The United States is in no way interested in strengthening the PRC and without an agreement with them, an invasion is impossible.
4) The PRC is very vulnerable to nuclear weapons strikes. And our authorities are dependent only on the West (where they have capital and children), they are independent from China and may well decide to strike with nuclear weapons, which makes the whole operation meaningless. It does not matter what China can destroy Moscow. It is important for them that China does not suffer.
5) We really have nothing to repel the PLA invasion without the use of nuclear weapons, even if we reveal the concentration of troops. But the speed of the PLA movement is clearly exaggerated. In the Far East you can defend along the lines using the terrain and the poor development of the road network. There are positions convenient for defense in Buryatia and at the border of Lake Baikal. For example, a corridor south of Lake Baikal, with blown up ice.
6) An offensive simultaneously in 3 diverging operational directions (Far East, Mongolia, Kazakhstan) is bad manners. Moreover, this will require the concentration of almost the entire Chinese army. The security of Kazakhstan, among others, is ensured by the United States (under the agreement on the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from the territory of Kazakhstan).
7) The point of the whole article is that we need to throw ourselves into the arms of NATO so that they protect us from terrible China. In reality, we need to stop the mess in our own country, and be friends with the PRC while trying to direct their expansion towards the sea. We can use the Chinese experience of 1945 -1959, only with a change of signs.

[arseke]

Hmmm, the author, to put it mildly, has a lot of fantasy in the story, although the article is relevant.

I’m wondering how the Chinese will be able to overcome the distance from the border to Astana (1300+ km) in winter, and even while conducting combat operations? In addition, the Dzungarian Gate will not be easy to pass... oh, how difficult it is

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: arseke

How will the Chinese be able to overcome the distance from the border to Astana (1300+ km) in winter, and even while conducting combat operations?

not more than an hour ago, I was thinking about the same thing, putting the author in a tank and in a snowstorm across the steppe

[Odysseus]

Quote: arseke

I’m wondering how the Chinese will be able to overcome the distance from the border to Astana (1300+ km) in winter, and even while conducting military operations

He plans an amphibious operation with the 15th Corps.
To assess the likelihood of success, you need to know that Kazakhstan has near Astana.
But first we can estimate the probability as low. The paratroopers will not hold out until the PLA arrives. The distance is too great.

[Jan Ulrich]

Kone4no interesno no mallowerojatno, nikogo woennogo konflikta ne budet, u Kitaja drugoj sklad uma, oni potiksonku wes dalnij wostok prosto saseljat i budut potom usche raswiwat separatistkie tendenzii. I budut finansirowat tatarow, jakutow i td i schto sche potom ??? Budem mi usche raswiwat woennij konflikt wnutri sebja ??? A xwatit courage?? 3-4 takix woinushek kak 4e4nja i wse, sami potom wse sdadim!! A wed Kitaj nash brat )))) Po mne tak lu4she Ameri 4em Kitajesi, usch kak kak a oni nam rodstwennee!!! Mogu kone4no oshibatza))))

[srha]

The article begins with a lie: “The fact that on June 22, 1941, the top Soviet leadership experienced a severe shock and lost the ability to take meaningful action for several days— obvious fact"- but at the same time unproven! For those who want to know the truth, I recommend that you read, for example, the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on mobilization dated June 22 (Kalinin), or Molotov’s address, or Stalin’s schedule these days. I didn’t read further - I can’t stand Solzhenintsev’s people (and he sent Stalin all the way to Kuibyshev).

[captri]

The article does not indicate that while all combat-ready units were sent to Siberia and the Far East, the Indian Armed Forces invaded Chinese territory with Russian weapons. With Russian retaliatory fire, the territory up to Beijing has been cleared; everything to the south will be swallowed up by India. Option No. 2 - China shows its launchers, the United States claps its hands and suddenly receives 3000 cigars from both the Russian Federation and China. We shake hands, China joins the customs union and receives resources at low prices, the Russian Federation receives cheap mobile phones...

[screw cutter]

You gentlemen forgot one small, but important thing. China has been living under the law of “one family, one child” for 40 years, mostly young people die in disasters and accidents. In China, there have long been cities with a population of 60- ty and up. So 1.5 billion population is just a number, although not small. The devil is not as terrible as he is painted.

[Letnab]

The article is of course nonsense! something similar is described by Kalashnikov.. only there we won..!
And so, no matter how much we all consider what was written to be nonsense, we still need to prepare for such a scenario, and strengthen the Far East both militarily and economically, then we will forget to think about such a thing!

[Kyrgyz]

The author, as a rule, traditionally does not consider anything other than the difference in population size in conflicts with China, there were also more Ottomans and Europeans and nothing, somehow we didn’t give up ours. China could have pulled this off in 96-99, now it’s suicide, but if you look at the history of China you can see: “a man sitting on the bank of a river and waiting for the corpse of his enemy to float by”
The author Russia has experience of surviving in bloody times and the current generation, if necessary, will remember this quickly and harshly two months there will be more detachments and patriots + all Mongolian zhuzes
Whatever one may say, it’s more profitable for them to go south

[Daursky]

The script is certainly fantastic! But, let's be objective, now we are not ready for a BIG war!!! Not to be confused with local wars and conflicts. We are not ready technically, and our human reserves are not ready either. Only a few perform military service. We, army reservists, are not trained at all (judging by myself, I served in the air defense of the country SA, since then I have never been called up for retraining). Read the article by Lieutenant General Sobolev (on the same website, you can find it through a search) and you will understand the situation in the event of war with the PRC!!! And I, as a resident of a military garrison in the Trans-Baikal Territory, consider the situation with the defense of Siberia and the Far East to be even worse.

[Tan4ik]

I saw this article a year ago. By God I saw it!

[tomich]

the surname of the author of the article is Khramchikhin, he has a quirk on this basis, like the Russian army is all in ruins and it is opposed by the invincible and powerful army of China)) the last time the Chinese army fought was a long time ago and without much success if the author of the article remembers this. One phrase that several dozen helicopters crossed the border INDEPENDENTLY makes people roll with laughter. The theater of operations that is described in the article was exactly in 41, but is certainly not applicable in 20...some year. I often see phrases in the media that China does not conduct military operations because the Chinese leadership is literally filled to the brim with Eastern wisdom. No matter how it is, the whole reason is that the Chinese army is nothing of itself despite its large numbers, that’s the whole explanation. China did not dare to seize our territories even in the 90s, when the country was truly devastated, and now it will certainly not do so. And it’s high time to send Khramchikhin to hell.

[dimon-media]

Complete nonsense. Rave. When I served my conscription (1998-2000), at our outpost it didn’t matter whether it was New Year or some other holiday.. I don’t care! Everyone was sober and served according to the regulations. The officers could relax, BUT, just not during official hours, and especially not the duty officer at the outpost. Indeed, such an article could only be written by an uninitiated person. Not privy to all the intricacies, hardships and deprivations of military service. The army is not a boarding house where you can get drunk, get drunk and go to bed without giving a damn about anything and everything.

[Tartary]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There are no such forces, the main forces and means of the Russian Federation and China are moved 500 km from the border, all available on both sides under the control of joint commissions. Any massive transfer of troops from China will be a breeze, especially in winter conditions.

Not 500 tons, but 200...
And not all forces, but strike aircraft and offensive weapons, i.e. tanks, artillery, rocket launchers, etc...

But we can still say that there is a common 500 kilometer corridor...

I am sure that there are strict conditions for launching a nuclear strike in the event of a violation of the relevant treaties regarding the concentration of troops near the borders. The main thing is that whoever needs(!) the eggs turn out to be not even steel, but titanium...

I mean, so that ... they wouldn’t pull him to the chair and, when moving along the corridors of the ICBM control bunker with nuclear weapons, they wouldn’t be able to break into the corners at turns, but would crush the concrete, straightening the corners...

Such --- today we have! And may God grant him health and success. Him and his assistants!